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[00:00:01] <Tom_itx> you have to change it for part and drawing separately right?
[00:00:05] <_methods> i gotta get me a torch package, does yours have a gas valve on it PetefromTn_
[00:00:18] <_methods> yes part and drawing are separage
[00:00:22] <_methods> separate even
[00:01:04] <PetefromTn_> _methods well I actually have two, one has the gas valve the other does not.
[00:01:23] <PetefromTn_> I honestly feel it is not necessary and actually can get in the way in tight spots a bit
[00:01:30] <_methods> kk
[00:01:36] <_methods> guess i'll just get the one without
[00:01:59] <PetefromTn_> thats up to you of course
[00:02:06] <_methods> i thought i was gonna get a syncrowave 250 today for $460
[00:02:12] <_methods> but in the last minute it took off
[00:02:17] <_methods> went up to $1200
[00:02:28] <PetefromTn_> but you usually set the gas at the bottle of course
[00:02:48] <PetefromTn_> honestly the only reason I would want one is because they are newer
[00:03:03] <_methods> well for $460 it was a no brainer
[00:03:07] <PetefromTn_> and some of the newer ones have the high freq/pulse features that my machine does not
[00:03:14] <_methods> i could sell that in 30 min flat for $1600
[00:03:21] <PetefromTn_> probably
[00:03:30] <PetefromTn_> there are lots who love the blue
[00:03:38] <_methods> i love green
[00:03:50] <_methods> that's why i have my $400 one lol
[00:03:58] <PetefromTn_> heh I am a fan myself
[00:04:06] <_methods> you keep the blue and i'll keep the green lol
[00:04:09] <PetefromTn_> I must say I have USED a blue and a red before
[00:04:26] <_methods> yeah i don't play for any team
[00:04:28] <PetefromTn_> and I can honestly say that I felt my green was smoother arc
[00:04:33] <_methods> i ain't blood or a crip
[00:04:50] <duc> I play for any team I can get cheap or in trade when it comes to that
[00:04:51] <PetefromTn_> as I understand it L-tec invented heliarc technology
[00:04:56] <_methods> yeah linde
[00:04:58] <duc> In trade
[00:05:28] <_methods> alright i gotta quit yakkin i'm makin some stuff with that pile of straps
[00:05:34] <duc> Linde are descent
[00:05:39] <PetefromTn_> but I will add that I bought my machine mostly because it looked and worked good and was cheap coupled with the fact the guy let me make some payments on it ;)
[00:06:02] <_methods> all excellent reasons
[00:06:11] <PetefromTn_> I am pleased with it
[00:06:20] <PetefromTn_> it has paid for itself many times over now
[00:06:25] <duc> Lol. That works. I may have traded off a gun I got for a steal from work.
[00:06:47] <PetefromTn_> _methods I got some lathe tooling in here today
[00:07:21] <PetefromTn_> and I received my 24pin 24v power supply so we shall see how it works with the DIN rail 24v 240 watt supply I got here.
[00:07:53] <PetefromTn_> after my wife cleaned up the electronics enclosure I was studying things trying to determine where is the best place to put the PC board etc.
[00:09:09] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, is that one of those pico psu supplies?
[00:09:28] <Tom_itx> err, no you went with a different one iirc
[00:09:41] <PetefromTn_> I don't know if it is a pico but it is basically the same exact thing
[00:10:08] <Tom_itx> i've been very happy with em
[00:10:11] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/301047784739?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[00:10:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah well we shall see how it works
[00:10:40] <PetefromTn_> I am pleased that it should make the build easier if nothing else
[00:10:52] <PetefromTn_> one less thing to mount and whatnot
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[00:10:59] <Tom_itx> check the V rating on the caps
[00:11:21] <PetefromTn_> for what?
[00:11:34] <Sync> I wish I could get some of the cool single wire torches here
[00:11:38] <Tom_itx> make sure they aren't smaller than the input voltage
[00:11:55] <Tom_itx> + 30% or so
[00:11:59] <Tom_itx> and they'll live longer
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[00:12:35] <PetefromTn_> well it is supposed to be 24v up to 200watt capable
[00:12:42] <PetefromTn_> 16-24v actually
[00:14:43] <Tom_itx> which MB did you get?
[00:15:38] <PetefromTn_> the one you linked me to ;)
[00:15:56] <Tom_itx> oh god no!!
[00:16:09] <Tom_itx> :)
[00:16:12] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[00:16:35] <Tom_itx> i've got 2 of em goin in front of me now
[00:17:00] <PetefromTn_> the asrock celerons?
[00:17:14] <Tom_itx> yeah whatever they are.. J1900
[00:17:24] <PetefromTn_> yup
[00:17:38] <PetefromTn_> I like it...I mean it looks pretty in the box hehe
[00:18:07] <Tom_itx> first one i fired up was scattered all over my desk
[00:18:15] <Tom_itx> wires goin everywhere
[00:18:53] <Tom_itx> wart plugged into the psu with kbd, monitor, hdd etc all over
[00:22:56] <PetefromTn_> heh
[00:23:05] <PetefromTn_> I never felt good about doing that
[00:23:20] <PetefromTn_> always wondering if some static shit will pop something important LOL
[00:23:28] <Tom_itx> i've put so man together i don't even think about it much
[00:23:36] <Tom_itx> i'm pretty careful
[00:23:47] <PetefromTn_> I am sure you are
[00:23:56] <PetefromTn_> if I did it shit would blow ;)
[00:25:30] <Sync> get a ground wristband
[00:25:57] <Tom_itx> i got one in the box somewhere...
[00:25:59] <Tom_itx> :)
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[00:27:02] <Sync> I use mine almost every day
[00:27:11] <Sync> and all my electronics surfaces are static dissipative
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[00:27:49] <Tom_itx> mine is a rubber cutting mat on carpet with a cat sitting nearby
[00:28:09] <Tom_itx> jk on the cat..
[00:28:12] <Denkishi> Any of you crazy folk happen to have worked, or still work, with a Trak DPM with an A.G.E.3 controller?
[00:28:33] <Tom_itx> none of us are not nearly that crazy
[00:28:54] <Denkishi> lol
[00:29:09] <Denkishi> Am I in for a world of pain?
[00:29:12] <tiwake> https://www.dropbox.com/s/l6jwympluwramtd/20151114_001.jpg?dl=0
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[00:29:27] <Tom_itx> dunno, not familiar with it
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[00:29:43] <tiwake> kinda chattery, but its still a lot better than whoever was making them before
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[00:44:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have grounded myself before when working on PC stuff
[00:45:23] <PetefromTn_> tiwake looks decent man did you interpolate the bores or ream or bore them?
[00:48:45] <Tom_itx> how do you draw a sphere in SW?
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[00:49:49] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: just drill... its 12L14 steel, so its pretty much the ideal thing to machine
[00:50:12] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: its done in one operation in my C-axis lathe
[00:50:41] <PetefromTn_> really that is surprising
[00:51:59] <zeeshan-lab> Tom_itx: not telling you
[00:51:59] <zeeshan-lab> lol
[00:52:07] <Tom_itx> i have a couple ideas
[00:52:19] <zeeshan-lab> whatcha thinking
[00:52:20] <Tom_itx> draw a cylinder then radius the ends
[00:52:31] <Tom_itx> or cube
[00:52:37] <zeeshan-lab> could work
[00:52:39] <zeeshan-lab> never tried that
[00:52:43] <Tom_itx> what do you do?
[00:52:55] <zeeshan-lab> draw a hemicircle
[00:52:56] <zeeshan-lab> and revolve it
[00:52:59] <PetefromTn_> isn't there a sphere tool?
[00:53:07] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: while that machine is spitting out $6 bills, I'm working on another lesser paying manual job... and chatting online a bit :D
[00:53:07] <zeeshan-lab> silly!!
[00:53:07] <zeeshan-lab> :D
[00:53:08] <zeeshan-lab> haha
[00:53:08] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, not that i see
[00:53:16] <zeeshan-lab> and there is a dome tool
[00:53:16] <Tom_itx> yeah that would work
[00:53:18] <zeeshan-lab> but it is 2 steps
[00:53:23] <zeeshan-lab> revolve is 1
[00:53:33] <PetefromTn_> thats it dome tool
[00:53:44] <tiwake> dome tool?
[00:53:52] <zeeshan-lab> ill dome you Tiwake.
[00:54:05] <PetefromTn_> but yeah draw circle and revolve is much easier
[00:54:09] <tiwake> I'm such a dome tool
[00:54:19] <zeeshan-lab> haha
[00:54:28] <zeeshan-lab> my head is a dome
[00:54:30] <PetefromTn_> tiwake sure is nice when the machine is spitting dollars hehe
[00:54:33] <zeeshan-lab> im going bald :{
[00:54:51] <zeeshan-lab> ive been going bald for 10 years now
[00:54:59] <Tom_itx> i'm helping my kid with his project again
[00:55:06] <PetefromTn_> I broke three freaking 1/8 endmills last night on the same part :D
[00:55:07] <Tom_itx> he's drawing in catia and me in sw
[00:55:13] <Denkishi> Hey zeeshan-lab, you ever mess with Trak CNC bed mills?
[00:55:19] <zeeshan-lab> PetefromTn_: sounds like SS
[00:55:20] <zeeshan-lab> :D
[00:55:24] <PetefromTn_> nope
[00:55:28] <PetefromTn_> 6061
[00:55:31] <zeeshan-lab> wow!!
[00:55:32] <Tom_itx> took apart a jack and need to draw and make an assembly for it
[00:55:34] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[00:55:35] <zeeshan-lab> 2 fluters?
[00:55:41] <PetefromTn_> what a freaking disaster
[00:55:45] <PetefromTn_> no 4
[00:55:46] <tiwake> it happens
[00:55:50] <zeeshan-lab> hm
[00:55:58] <zeeshan-lab> not enough chip evac space i notice with 4 flute
[00:55:58] <PetefromTn_> I THINK I damaged my collet after the first one
[00:56:00] <tiwake> 1/8" endmills are pretty small
[00:56:10] <Tom_itx> 2 flute for alum
[00:56:12] <zeeshan-lab> Denkishi: ive used them
[00:56:15] <Tom_itx> 4 for steel
[00:56:16] <PetefromTn_> I ordered some maritool 3 fluters to replace them
[00:56:19] <PetefromTn_> naah
[00:56:21] <Tom_itx> dat's da law
[00:56:25] <PetefromTn_> no its not
[00:56:37] <zeeshan-lab> i heard that law
[00:56:49] <zeeshan-lab> but it seems to be okay with 4 flute 3/8
[00:56:51] <zeeshan-lab> w/ coolant
[00:56:53] <zeeshan-lab> no coolant = snap
[00:57:00] <zeeshan-lab> chips just weld in there
[00:57:01] <Tom_itx> i don't like 3 because you can't put calipers on em
[00:57:02] <Denkishi> Ever any with the A.G.E. 3 controller? And if so, any issues modern CAD/CAM software working you think?
[00:57:15] <zeeshan-lab> no Denkishi
[00:57:15] <PetefromTn_> every one of these rails is mostly machined with a 3/8 4 flute LOL
[00:57:28] <PetefromTn_> I love 3 fluters
[00:57:50] <Tom_itx> i prefer the tuba
[00:57:57] <PetefromTn_> I have not run them lately because I have had a bunch of 4 flute endmills I got cheap from my friend LOL
[00:58:04] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, does your wife know?
[00:58:26] <PetefromTn_> yup
[00:58:30] <PetefromTn_> shes good with it
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[01:06:58] <zeeshan-lab> project manager, did the sphere work out
[01:07:20] <Tom_itx> haven't gotten to that part yet
[01:07:29] <zeeshan-lab> why do you need to make a sphere
[01:07:37] <Tom_itx> i told you above
[01:08:00] <zeeshan-lab> not a good enough reason to make a sphere
[01:08:08] <zeeshan-lab> if youre making a sphere, it better be because you watched the movie the sphere
[01:08:10] <Tom_itx> ball bearings
[01:08:15] <zeeshan-lab> o
[01:08:31] <Tom_itx> check balls
[01:10:09] <Tom_itx> how would you describe a shaft that has a flat smashed on the end of it?
[01:10:24] <zeeshan-lab> like a peened end?
[01:10:28] <Tom_itx> yes
[01:10:32] <zeeshan-lab> peened i guess
[01:10:40] <Tom_itx> to draw it..
[01:10:50] <zeeshan-lab> "Draw a peened end"
[01:10:51] <zeeshan-lab> :D
[01:10:53] <Tom_itx> heh
[01:11:03] <Tom_itx> round shaft flattened so a wrench fits on it
[01:11:08] <zeeshan-lab> oh
[01:11:23] <Tom_itx> but smashed not milled
[01:11:34] <norias> uh. forged?
[01:11:50] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't give china that much credit
[01:12:00] <zeeshan-lab> lol
[01:12:15] <zeeshan-lab> whats wrrong with saying
[01:12:22] <zeeshan-lab> "flatten the end of a cylinder"
[01:12:24] <zeeshan-lab> i think that sounds fine
[01:13:00] <PetefromTn_> I think they are getting a skyline R34 Dspec and a GTR in the shop soon....should be interesting.
[01:13:01] <Denkishi> Because saying the "end" of a cylindar could be confusing
[01:19:02] <zeeshan-lab> nice pete
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[01:29:23] <PetefromTn_> man I can't wait to see this lathe run some parts :D
[01:29:34] <zeeshan-lab> how long do you think itll take you to convertit
[01:29:46] <PetefromTn_> hopefully not too long
[01:29:55] <PetefromTn_> my GOAL is to have it running by Christmas
[01:29:59] <zeeshan-lab> wow
[01:30:00] <zeeshan-lab> thats quick!
[01:30:12] <PetefromTn_> but hey I have lots of goals LOL
[01:30:21] <zeeshan-lab> you will achieve it :D
[01:30:29] <PetefromTn_> I will try like hell
[01:30:39] <PetefromTn_> I still need the Z ballscrew and the VFD
[01:30:49] <PetefromTn_> and I need to grab some DB25 cables for the drives
[01:31:15] <PetefromTn_> I got some RX7 engine work coming in that should hopefully help pay for the VFD
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[01:33:12] <zeeshan-lab> which ball screw are you thinking of going with
[01:33:37] <PetefromTn_> I would like a 25 or 32mm C5
[01:33:42] <zeeshan-lab> from china?
[01:33:49] <PetefromTn_> hopefully not
[01:33:59] <zeeshan-lab> was so much fing around.. with mylathe
[01:34:16] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[01:34:22] <zeeshan-lab> to get the backlash to go away
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[01:34:37] <PetefromTn_> I never had a problem with backlash on my RF45
[01:35:00] <PetefromTn_> I built my own dual ballnut zero backlash setups
[01:35:39] <zeeshan-lab> ah
[01:35:54] <PetefromTn_> they worked pretty good
[01:36:02] <PetefromTn_> and that was with some rolled screws
[01:36:18] <PetefromTn_> machine was reasonably accurate
[01:36:41] <PetefromTn_> why was backlash such an issue on a CNC lathe tho?
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[01:37:56] <zeeshan-lab> not sure
[01:37:59] <zeeshan-lab> i think crappy screws
[01:38:13] <PetefromTn_> what screws did you use?
[01:38:42] <zeeshan-lab> linearmotionbearings2008
[01:38:51] <PetefromTn_> huh
[01:38:58] <zeeshan-lab> he has c5 screws
[01:38:59] <zeeshan-lab> 25mm
[01:38:59] <PetefromTn_> I hear mixed reviews on those
[01:39:14] <PetefromTn_> some people say they are great some say they got bent screws etc.
[01:39:25] <zeeshan-lab> mine wasn't bent
[01:39:30] <zeeshan-lab> but they definitely were not zero backlash
[01:39:31] <PetefromTn_> He does? I was under the impression he only sold rolled screws
[01:39:46] <zeeshan-lab> they're ground
[01:39:50] <zeeshan-lab> and hardened
[01:40:00] <zeeshan-lab> hardened and ground :P
[01:40:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah c5 are but all his screws are c7 I think
[01:40:16] <zeeshan-lab> oh im confusing them then
[01:40:41] <PetefromTn_> as I understand it he sells what he calls zero backlash single nut screws
[01:40:53] <PetefromTn_> and he ALSO sells double preloaded zero backlash screws
[01:41:01] <zeeshan-lab> i had bot
[01:41:01] <PetefromTn_> the latter are TRUE zero
[01:41:04] <zeeshan-lab> both
[01:41:20] <zeeshan-lab> the single nut had 0.003 worse case
[01:41:23] <zeeshan-lab> double nut had 0.001
[01:41:29] <zeeshan-lab> the backlash was random
[01:41:37] <zeeshan-lab> some areas it had none, some there was 0.001
[01:41:38] <PetefromTn_> hm
[01:41:53] <PetefromTn_> was the preload adjustable
[01:41:56] <zeeshan-lab> no
[01:42:01] <zeeshan-lab> its a shim between two spacers
[01:42:05] <zeeshan-lab> er
[01:42:07] <zeeshan-lab> betwen two nuts
[01:42:11] <PetefromTn_> a shim?
[01:42:16] <zeeshan-lab> yea a ground shim thing
[01:42:23] <zeeshan-lab> spacer/shim
[01:42:32] <PetefromTn_> how the hell does it compensate for the screw if it is a solid shim?
[01:42:53] <zeeshan-lab> its supposed to preload it
[01:43:12] <zeeshan-lab> im sure after fin'g around with it
[01:43:13] <zeeshan-lab> itll work
[01:43:15] <PetefromTn_> most double preloaded screws use some sort of spring washer or other spring to allow it to float
[01:43:23] <zeeshan-lab> not these ones
[01:43:44] <PetefromTn_> man that sucks
[01:44:08] <PetefromTn_> of course you could just get two of his low backlash nutz and build your own spring loaded zero backlash setup
[01:44:45] <zeeshan-lab> yes
[01:45:05] <zeeshan-lab> does your z axis already have the nut
[01:45:26] <PetefromTn_> it can be as simple as two nutz on each side of the mount one is screwed down with belleville washers etc.
[01:45:35] <PetefromTn_> there is no Z screw whatsoever
[01:45:40] <PetefromTn_> just mounts
[01:45:58] <PetefromTn_> the X axis is there and complete
[01:46:44] <zeeshan-lab> sweet
[01:46:48] <zeeshan-lab> did you see what brand screw it is
[01:47:01] <PetefromTn_> no I did not feel like taking it apart
[01:47:17] <PetefromTn_> it feels real good tho
[01:47:24] <zeeshan-lab> did you measure backlash?
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[01:47:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah there is basically none
[01:47:35] <zeeshan-lab> nice
[01:47:42] <zeeshan-lab> thats the screw that actually matters :D
[01:47:50] <PetefromTn_> but that is with my hands turning the screw
[01:47:56] <PetefromTn_> I do not have a motor on it yet
[01:48:10] <zeeshan-lab> you can usually pull on the carriage
[01:48:11] <zeeshan-lab> or push on it
[01:48:12] <zeeshan-lab> to check
[01:48:17] <PetefromTn_> hard to gauge how much you actually turned it
[01:48:25] <PetefromTn_> sure
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[02:32:32] <PetefromTn_> open to hearing reasonably priced sources for ballscrews :D
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[02:46:33] <duc> How big?
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[02:48:43] <PetefromTn_> 25 or 32 mm
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[02:48:54] <PetefromTn_> about 1200mm long
[02:49:05] <PetefromTn_> zero backlash double ballnut
[02:49:45] <duc> I can ask some coworkers tomorrow.
[02:49:53] <PetefromTn_> ok thanks
[02:50:49] <malcom2073> Look at bridgeport conversion screws, hiwin has some kits that have screws about that sized
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[02:51:26] <PetefromTn_> really? that is pretty long screw
[02:52:13] <malcom2073> My dad just got one cheap off a guy for his lathe conversion, it's like 48" end to end
[02:53:15] <malcom2073> I know a guy that has a 1800mm, might have a pair, unsure
[02:53:19] <malcom2073> 35mm
[02:53:49] <malcom2073> You looking new or used?
[02:53:54] <PetefromTn_> are you in UK?
[02:54:02] <malcom2073> Nope, USA
[02:54:11] <PetefromTn_> hm
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[04:25:26] <Tom_itx> does SW have a command to mate an assembly from exploded view?
[04:25:38] <Tom_itx> ie move the parts to their assembled positions
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[05:14:43] <Jymmm> Heh, found the PERFECT firewood holder!
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[05:44:37] <Jymmm> *sigh* Some people just should not be able to touch tools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LgArTl_BSU
[05:46:29] <Jymmm> welding zinc and galvanized, then suggesting to use jb weld for stove pipe sealing
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[05:48:30] <Jymmm> OH, and installing the pipe sections wrong, but that is gotcha so doens't count =)
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[06:04:40] <jesseg> Is it normal for the N numbers to repeat in a program?
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[07:56:38] <Deejay> moin
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[08:04:15] <Jymmm> WOW !!! Look at the heat marks on the exhaust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLLYa1AbZHs
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[08:06:37] <Deejay> hi jymmm
[08:06:49] <Jymmm> Hey Deejay, how ya doin?
[08:07:54] <Deejay> fine fine, but weather is shitty ;)
[08:08:45] <Jymmm> Deejay: where are you??
[08:08:52] <Deejay> good ol' germany
[08:09:25] <Deejay> autumn has arrived ;) wind, rain, cold. brrr
[08:09:34] <Jymmm> Ah. It's warm out tonight... 35F =)
[08:10:16] <Deejay> hmm, about 48F here
[08:10:42] <Jymmm> Was 30F last night and this morning
[08:10:50] <Deejay> you live at the north pole? ;)
[08:11:09] <Deejay> alaska? ;)
[08:11:10] <Jymmm> Close, Northern California, in the forest
[08:11:22] <Jymmm> about 3000ft elevation
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[08:11:58] <Deejay> sierra nevada?
[08:12:14] <Jymmm> Very close to them, yes.
[08:12:23] <Deejay> ah, i see
[08:15:23] <Deejay> at my location here, its plain... about 80 meters above sea level, no hills, no mountains
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[09:32:35] <gonzo_> anyone live in here with experience of mesa cards and pwm gen outputs??
[09:34:10] <gonzo_> when the gen is enabled, it looks like the just pwm pin goes high, ratrher than starting at 0v and pwm'ing from 0v to to 5v for full speed
[09:34:40] <gonzo_> is the pwm pin inverse?
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[10:05:21] <archivist> pwm is a pulse train
[10:18:11] <XXCoder> my van is having some awesome stalling
[10:18:14] <XXCoder> heavy rain
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[10:32:05] <gonzo_> archivist, it looks like when the pwm gen is enabled, the pwm pin goes high. I do get what looks like some PWM'ing when I try a movement
[10:32:28] <gonzo_> so wondering if the pwm line is inverted as standatd
[10:33:01] <gonzo_> I was hoping it would be 0v, then pwm up to 100% high for max motor speed
[10:36:09] <gonzo_> I couldeasilly invert the line in hardware, but that would leave the motor running max when the sw is not running
[10:37:41] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/drivers/hostmot2.html#_pwmgen
[10:37:53] <archivist> see docs it is an option
[10:39:26] <gonzo_> I did try invert_output. But I got the error that it was not a known parap (I thgink that was the error)
[10:39:50] <gonzo_> though I'm not sure of the syntax I should be using
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[10:48:25] <gonzo_> parap - read, param
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[12:21:34] <Tom_itx> jesseg, not normal but probably from a hand edit and won't hurt anything
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[13:26:16] <Tom_itx> shhh
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[15:10:25] <jdh> how are you measuring the pwm line?
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[15:49:11] <Jymmm> This is funny and fucked up all at the same time...
http://www.theonion.com/article/china-unable-recruit-hackers-fast-enough-keep-vuln-51719
[15:53:44] <Sync> lul outsorcing to russia
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[16:02:32] <anomynous> crispy waffles for sale.
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[16:51:16] <naja452> Hey, all.
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[17:49:10] <maxcnc> hi from the stormy germany
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[17:50:51] <maxcnc> jdh: are you here ?
[17:52:00] <maxcnc> pcw_home: is it posibel to get the old software of the 7i76 back into the system
[17:52:03] <Loetmichel> maxcnc: not stormy here
[17:52:08] <Loetmichel> (OF)
[17:52:17] <maxcnc> ZW
[17:53:54] <maxcnc> 110km/h für heute nacht
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[17:57:17] <Loetmichel> maxcnc: i was in the german navvy
[17:57:34] <Loetmichel> 110km is a "slow breeze" when you know the skaggerak
[17:57:34] <Loetmichel> ;)
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[17:58:39] <maxcnc> been on Hermelin P6123 at 40Nots
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[18:00:03] <jdh> yes?
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[18:00:28] <maxcnc> tid you refit the thcud from the repros
[18:00:34] <Loetmichel> <- p6056 Theseus
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[18:02:03] <jdh> not me. typo perhaps
[18:02:38] <maxcnc> John thornton
[18:03:19] <maxcnc> maybe its JT_shop
[18:03:50] <maxcnc> JT-Shop: are you on
[18:04:10] <pcw_home> maxcnc: the old 7I76 firmware will not make any difference,
[18:04:11] <pcw_home> I think you must have changed the linuxcnc version at the same time
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[18:04:55] <maxcnc> im back to 2.5.4 the only way to get the mashine to work
[18:05:06] <maxcnc> it broke down 5+ times today
[18:05:17] <maxcnc> i changed the intire powersystem
[18:05:39] <maxcnc> from 5i25 to 7i76 is now downjumperd and TB3 in use
[18:06:09] <maxcnc> stabalised by another 18000µF Elko
[18:07:12] <maxcnc> the plasma has been for testing powerd from a othere Factory Wall to Wall powersystem to see if that has effects differend powerliones
[18:07:57] <maxcnc> nothing at all i got 3 intire identical systems the others have never been touched at all and running stabel
[18:08:40] <maxcnc> since the one i updated to 2.8master and have been forced to update the 5i25 7i76 software is now a bustard
[18:09:39] <maxcnc> the system shots down intire now bevor resetting the power it only brok down the 5i25 7i76 but now totaly fail
[18:09:57] <maxcnc> pc off monitor off all systems on that powerline go off
[18:10:22] <maxcnc> there is nothing on dmesg at all
[18:10:57] <maxcnc> i can run the mashine without m3 for as long as i will i stopt after 20 min nothing on dmesg
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[18:12:59] <maxcnc> ill keep it that way waiting for the 7i76e to arrive
[18:14:09] <maxcnc> i think the 7i76 got somthing electrical failure as i got output 0 and 1 always 24V i cand controlll them now
[18:14:41] <maxcnc> but they show in hal as normal work
[18:15:05] <pcw_home> Its probably not power related but rather electrical noise in the cable from the 5I25 to the 7I76
[18:15:48] <maxcnc> i changed that also using only the 3 cabels you provide
[18:16:18] <maxcnc> the old mashines now got 10ft cabels and dont show the effect
[18:17:25] <maxcnc> as you said i gronded all the brackets on the system to the powersupply grond not the V-
[18:17:36] <pcw_home> Very likely a ground loop, as I said before if you have "Extra Character" errors
[18:17:38] <pcw_home> that means you have more than about 1.4V is difference in the 7I76
[18:17:39] <pcw_home> ground and 5I25 ground
[18:18:09] <maxcnc> 5i25 ground is the shield
[18:18:20] <maxcnc> on the Db25
[18:18:44] <pcw_home> this does meant quite a bit of HF current through the DB25 cable since it has 17 ground wires and a shield
[18:18:46] <maxcnc> i meshured that with a neter
[18:19:31] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: Werde GG in english
[18:20:26] <maxcnc> im out of my elektronic knolige on this failure to mesure
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[18:21:59] <maxcnc> there can only now be noice over the sepperdrivers to the 75V powersuply the rest is isolated to the mashinery
[18:22:44] <maxcnc> ok the switches may be at 14meters cabel length on the plasma coudt get also HF
[18:23:24] <maxcnc> pcw_home: the 1,4V on the 5V or on the Vfield
[18:23:50] <maxcnc> 5V logic powersupply
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[18:30:58] <pcw_home> This is 1.4V is RF noise from ground loop currents
[18:32:03] <maxcnc> can i mesure that
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[18:33:14] <Loetmichel> maxcnc: GG?
[18:33:21] <pcw_home> also look an the grounding on the 7I76 end
[18:33:22] <pcw_home> its probably better that nothing be tied to 7I76 ground at the 7I76 (except isolated step drive wires etc)
[18:33:24] <pcw_home> Powering the 7I76 5V from the PC is also better from a noise standpoint
[18:34:01] <pcw_home> (grounding of the field I/O doesn't matter since its all isolated)
[18:34:44] <maxcnc> so its all in the pc to 7i76 lines
[18:35:33] <maxcnc> the 7i76 cabel runs about 1meter from the plasma source in distence
[18:36:25] <maxcnc> is it posibel to shield a cabel itself with foam or whatever
[18:36:42] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: Grungelbes 230Volt kabel
[18:37:59] <Loetmichel> you mean "protection earth"
[18:38:18] <Loetmichel> or PE as it is called in german as in english ;)
[18:42:17] <maxcnc> thank you
[18:43:15] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: how to isolate a long wire from the air bottem wall ... as you are a more electrishen as i coudt ever bee
[18:43:36] <maxcnc> its the DB25 cabel at 10ft
[18:43:37] <Loetmichel> air bottom wall?
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[18:44:09] <maxcnc> pcw saiing i got RF HF noicy signals so i need to do somthing but how can this be done
[18:44:09] <archivist> screened?
[18:44:34] <archivist> or flat IDC cable
[18:44:51] <maxcnc> there are 4pasmas in the shop about 20 other mashines
[18:45:13] <maxcnc> its the ieee1284 cabel
[18:45:25] <archivist> really need to learn grounding and screening
[18:46:01] <archivist> and how a cable screen can be an antenna
[18:47:02] <maxcnc> archivist it may start with the fastener plate of the backside from the pc that can take that amound from the air
[18:47:33] <maxcnc> where the 5i25 is pluged in this is a quite large steel plate from the pc frame
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[18:53:29] <Loetmichel> maxcnc: if there are 4 plasma cutters in the same room: use PLENTY of shielding
[18:53:51] <Loetmichel> and a shitload (sorry) of ferrite beads
[18:55:55] <gonzo_nb> is that an SI unit?
[18:56:23] <Loetmichel> maxcnc: look at this for example: (its my cable for the HF spindle) ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12560
[18:57:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12512 <- looked like this beforehand ;)
[18:57:23] <Loetmichel> gonzo_nb: in my company it is
[18:58:28] <archivist> how many shitloads fill a barn
[18:58:32] <Loetmichel> last order from the customer for 120 12" TFT POS displays with touchsreen used more than 2400 ferrite clips on the cabling alone ;-)
[18:59:08] <Loetmichel> and another 7 internal to the device ;)
[18:59:14] <Loetmichel> to each device
[18:59:34] <maxcnc> ok thanks but it will be difficuld to get this steel frame shiled to a DB25 ready made
[19:00:26] <Loetmichel> you can buy these "abschirmgewebe-schlauch" that will fit over a DB25 and still fit the cable
[19:01:10] <Loetmichel> just see to it that you use at least 2 layers and clamp it REALLY hard to one or both ends of the machine frames
[19:01:18] <Loetmichel> test which works better
[19:01:39] <Loetmichel> sometimes one end grounding works better sometimes 2 ends are the best solution
[19:04:12] <zeeshan|2> drill 10 ft hole in ground
[19:04:15] <zeeshan|2> attach rod
[19:04:18] <zeeshan|2> problem solved
[19:04:21] <zeeshan|2> :D
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[19:04:31] <zeeshan|2> earth likes to eat electrons
[19:04:39] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: where can i get this in germany
[19:04:51] <maxcnc> reichelt seams to not have this
[19:05:07] <Loetmichel> i would try Rs components or fanell
[19:05:20] <Loetmichel> we order it by the pallet in china ;)
[19:07:12] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2
[19:08:04] <Tom_itx> how would you draw a safety pin in sw? the coil is easy but i need wires coming off the spring
[19:08:19] <Tom_itx> safety pin is just an example of what i need
[19:10:06] <archivist> you can extrude along a curved path
[19:10:28] <Tom_itx> i need to get the spiral drawn before i can do that though
[19:10:51] <Tom_itx> sw creates a helix as a solid
[19:11:00] <Tom_itx> not a line path
[19:11:05] <_methods> 3d sketch
[19:11:11] <archivist> helix, extrude the circle along that then off the end whatever you need
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[19:11:50] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: EMV-Geflechtschlauch mit UL94V0-Klassifizierung HEGEMIPV006
[19:12:06] <_methods> bless you
[19:12:08] <Loetmichel> link?
[19:12:09] <Tom_itx> _methods, where do you select 3d sketch?
[19:12:18] <_methods> it's a drop down in sketch
[19:12:33] <_methods> you should see a little arrow under sketch
[19:13:01] <_methods> i'd start with my spiral then add the clip and pin side after that
[19:13:30] <Tom_itx> don't see that option yet
[19:13:56] <_methods> you can also go to tools and select 3d sketch
[19:14:08] <_methods> oops insert
[19:14:10] <_methods> sorry not tools
[19:14:20] <archivist> also depends what version you are running
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[19:14:37] <_methods> insert>3dsketch which is just below sketch
[19:14:58] <Tom_itx> thanks
[19:15:02] <_methods> np
[19:15:40] <maxcnc> Loetmichel:
http://www.hellermanntyton.de/site/produkte/geflechtschlaeuche-und-gewebeschlaeuche/hegemipv006/173-60600
[19:16:43] <Loetmichel> maxcnc: too expensice, inner tube-> no plugs going thru, and not conductive enough
[19:17:02] <Tom_itx> _methods is there a sketch helix tool?
[19:17:18] <_methods> yeah
[19:17:28] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: can you give me a link of what i may need in china
[19:19:07] <_methods> oh mayb there isn't
[19:19:16] <Tom_itx> i don't see one
[19:20:09] <_methods> ahh you have to start a normal sketch
[19:20:11] <_methods> then draw the helix
[19:20:22] <Tom_itx> that comes out as a solid
[19:20:25] <_methods> then open a 3d sketch and convert entities
[19:20:38] <_methods> yeah you can kill the solid and keep the sketch
[19:20:41] <_methods> let me try it real quick
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[19:21:37] <_methods> yeah my way works
[19:21:45] <_methods> not sure if it's the right way lol
[19:21:48] <_methods> but it does work
[19:22:00] <_methods> i had to create the helix in a normal 2d sketch
[19:22:09] <_methods> then open 3d sketch and convert entities
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[19:23:12] <Loetmichel> maxcnc:
http://de.rs-online.com/web/p/kabelschlauch/8211687/
[19:23:21] <Loetmichel> but where you get that in less than a roll...
[19:23:24] <Tom_itx> yeah that did it
[19:23:50] <maxcnc> Loetmichel: on this price i can build a new plasma
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[19:24:06] <Loetmichel> thats why i said "less than a roll"
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[19:24:36] <_methods> i'm sure there is a "correct" way to do it
[19:24:47] <_methods> but i don't know it lol
[19:25:27] <_methods> hmm i didn't try making a circle first in a 3d sketch
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[19:26:02] <_methods> yeah i'm an idiot you can just do it in 3d sketch
[19:26:12] <_methods> just make a circle then the helix option becomes available
[19:26:18] <Tom_itx> ok
[19:32:53] <Jymmm> are those $100 wire fed 110V welders any good?
[19:33:19] <maxcnc> im off Gn8
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[19:37:13] <_methods> lame they killed 3dfile.io
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[19:44:28] <_methods> you get it Tom_itx
[19:45:10] <_methods> you're probably going to have to use a loft instead of a sweep
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[19:51:33] <Tom_itx> no
[19:51:35] <Tom_itx> not yet
[19:51:46] <Jymmm> Now?
[19:51:59] <Tom_itx> not yet
[19:52:01] <Jymmm> How about now?
[19:52:04] <Tom_itx> not yet
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[19:57:34] <_methods> ah i used a sweep for the spiral then lofted out to the pins
[20:01:13] <_methods> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23537674/pin.PDF
[20:01:19] <_methods> 3d pdf of it
[20:01:53] <Tom_itx> to create an offset plane i just select a plane and enter an offset value right?
[20:02:00] <_methods> yes
[20:02:11] <Tom_itx> can't figure out why it's not doing it...
[20:02:26] <Tom_itx> right plane.. offset .7
[20:02:27] <Tom_itx> no go
[20:02:29] <_methods> you selected a plane right?
[20:02:33] <Tom_itx> yes
[20:02:37] <_methods> hmmm
[20:03:35] <_methods> you sure nothing else is selected?
[20:03:46] <Tom_itx> pretty sure
[20:04:10] <_methods> i'd save the file and close it
[20:04:14] <_methods> then reopen
[20:04:33] <_methods> i've seen times where stuff like that can hang up and not act right
[20:04:48] <_methods> cause adding an offset plane should be a no brainer
[20:05:03] <Tom_itx> got it
[20:05:09] <_methods> ah what was it?
[20:05:41] <Tom_itx> no clue
[20:05:44] <Tom_itx> :)
[20:05:54] <Tom_itx> did the same thing and it worked
[20:07:03] <_methods> weird
[20:10:19] <_methods> oh sweet just got my new ubiquiti ap-ac-lite
[20:10:34] <_methods> can't wait to hook that thing up
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[21:15:50] <gphillips> hey guys anyone around?
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[21:18:52] <gphillips> What program do you guys use to vectorize, and turn into gcode?
[21:22:33] <Deejay> text editor :D
[21:23:24] <gphillips> well that seems hard
[21:23:28] <zeeshan|2> jt has a code
[21:23:34] <zeeshan|2> that converts dxf to gcode
[21:23:39] <zeeshan|2> for plasma cutting..
[21:24:57] <gphillips> well I just have a question as far as sizing goes? I use vector magic to convert images to vectors and then ESTLcam to convert dxf to .NC
[21:25:44] <gphillips> and sometimes I wanna resize the images and do not know an easy way of selecting how big i want it to be
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[21:41:50] <malcom2073> There are DXF and SVG to gcode converters around
[21:41:56] <malcom2073> they let you specify scaling usually
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[21:45:32] <gphillips> well that sounds nice
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[21:56:27] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:07:10] <gonzo_> could someone check my HAL syntax please
[22:07:26] <gonzo_> trying to add an invert to one of the pwm outputs
[22:07:30] <gonzo_> I have:
[22:07:33] <gonzo_> setp hm2_ blah pwmgen.00.pwm.invert_output 1
[22:08:04] <gonzo_> i'm assuming that is setting the param for the pwm pin
[22:08:18] <gonzo_> (pwmgen is set to mode 1, pwm and dir)
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[22:21:09] <Sync> zeeshan|2: did you see my screws?
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[23:43:21] <zeeshan|2> no
[23:43:22] <zeeshan|2> pics
[23:43:25] <PetefromTn_> hey CNC lathe guys how usable do you think a LH threading tool holder is? I am used to threading towards the chuck mostly
[23:45:07] <Tom_itx> pretty useful if you make left hand threads
[23:45:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[23:46:28] <PetefromTn_> you really probably don't want to use a LH insert threading tool the wrong way
[23:47:55] <PetefromTn_> I guess I will pass on it and wait for a RH tool and inserts to pop up ;)
[23:48:29] <Tom_itx> or spin the spindle the other way
[23:48:46] <PetefromTn_> its more than just the direction
[23:48:51] <zeeshan|2> yep
[23:48:53] <PetefromTn_> its the protrusion of the body of the tool
[23:48:54] <zeeshan|2> youll shit the shoulder
[23:49:03] <zeeshan|2> hit not shit!
[23:49:09] <Tom_itx> or both
[23:49:14] <zeeshan|2> haha
[23:49:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah but you'll be yellin' shit when it hits
[23:49:26] <zeeshan|2> in the beginning, a rh insert tool will be more useful
[23:49:30] <Tom_itx> springs are a bitch to draw
[23:49:36] <zeeshan|2> but i have both because, ive had setups where it was easier to use lh
[23:49:39] <zeeshan|2> and part off
[23:49:44] <zeeshan|2> and not have to do another operation
[23:50:05] <PetefromTn_> do you have the triangular inserts or the straight type?
[23:50:16] <zeeshan|2> whats the straight type?
[23:50:36] <_methods> flip it over and reverse spindle
[23:50:37] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-FLTC-3R16E-GR50-Threading-Carbide-Inserts-TOOL-FLO-Thread-Cutting-holder-bit-/361011386187?hash=item540df4974b:g:zpQAAOSwxH1T3T7z
[23:50:40] <_methods> use it like right hand
[23:50:43] <zeeshan|2> no i dont have
[23:50:57] <Tom_itx> _methods i just got chastized for saying that
[23:51:02] <_methods> oh lol
[23:51:07] <_methods> maybe i should read back
[23:51:10] <zeeshan|2> http://www.carbidedepot.com/images/insert-shape-laydown.bmp
[23:51:12] <zeeshan|2> i got that
[23:51:23] <Tom_itx> damn wannabe machinists!!
[23:51:34] <zeeshan|2> your face is a wannabe zeeshan
[23:51:34] <zeeshan|2> !
[23:51:37] <zeeshan|2> project manager!!!!!!!!
[23:51:47] <PetefromTn_> who you callin' wannabe?
[23:51:47] <_methods> hehe
[23:51:56] <zeeshan|2> the only wannabes are tormach owners
[23:51:57] * zeeshan|2 hides
[23:52:34] <_methods> i'm no machinist i'm a wannabe seamstress no0w
[23:52:45] <_methods> sewin up all those cargo straps lol
[23:52:49] <Tom_itx> cross dresser too?
[23:53:06] <PetefromTn_> I'm not a machinist but I play one in my garage
[23:53:09] <_methods> hahah
[23:53:16] <zeeshan|2> doesnt matter what you are
[23:53:20] <zeeshan|2> if youre getting paid for it
[23:53:22] <zeeshan|2> good enough :)
[23:53:26] <_methods> just for PetefromTn_
[23:53:38] <zeeshan|2> if someone called me a machinist
[23:53:39] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: But most aren't wearing pink tu tu's when doing so. Just sayin.
[23:53:40] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, how'd those turd's turn out?
[23:53:42] <zeeshan|2> i'd be offended... :[
[23:53:44] <Tom_itx> you get paid for em?
[23:53:45] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: excellent
[23:53:46] <zeeshan|2> yes,
[23:53:49] <Tom_itx> great
[23:54:00] <zeeshan|2> apparently he wants another 40-50
[23:54:04] <zeeshan|2> but will let me know december
[23:54:09] <zeeshan|2> hopefully its during the break
[23:54:09] <Tom_itx> that was kinda a fun project wasn't it?
[23:54:10] <PetefromTn_> I just loaded about $5k worth of RX7 engine parts in my van that I gotta machine
[23:54:27] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: it was different
[23:54:30] <zeeshan|2> im glad it's done
[23:54:38] <zeeshan|2> just wish i had made a bit more..
[23:54:46] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ they won't be worth $5k if you screw em up
[23:54:52] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-4-Sandvik-R166-4FG-123B-RH-Threading-Tool-Holder-use-w-R166-Insert-P-155-/311484815790?hash=item4885f119ae:g:UiIAAOSwwbdWOPN8
[23:55:00] <zeeshan|2> pete nice
[23:55:09] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx Don't even say that shit man ;)
[23:55:22] <zeeshan|2> pete what are you doing to it
[23:55:33] <Jymmm> violating it of course zeeshan|2
[23:55:39] <PetefromTn_> which part LOL
[23:55:44] <zeeshan|2> anything
[23:55:44] <zeeshan|2> :D
[23:55:55] <PetefromTn_> naah I just have to stud this 3 rotor engine
[23:56:00] <PetefromTn_> and machine some more rotors
[23:56:26] <PetefromTn_> what sucks is the program I made for the 2 rotor won't work for the 3 rotor of course
[23:57:19] <zeeshan|2> doh
[23:57:29] <zeeshan|2> but i bet youll have to do more in the future
[23:57:30] <zeeshan|2> so its ok
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[23:59:11] <PetefromTn_> actually there is another two 3 rotor builds coming up and the same motor we built for that red car we are making a spare for so when we take it to texas for the big races we will not have to worry about any unknown failures
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[23:59:28] <zeeshan|2> texas mile?
[23:59:32] <PetefromTn_> TX2k
[23:59:36] <zeeshan|2> nice
