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[00:34:47] <PetefromTn_> hey guys
[00:34:54] <PetefromTn_> stupid question again
[00:35:11] <XXCoder> no stpid quetions just stupid answers
[00:35:15] <PetefromTn_> I want to order from Amazon and they are offering me the PRIME option with free 2 day shipping
[00:35:33] <PetefromTn_> it says the PRIME membership is like 9 bucks a month
[00:35:44] <CaptHindsight> I took a poll last week and most said it wasn't worth it
[00:35:46] <PetefromTn_> does that INLCLUDE the Amazon Prime TV stuff
[00:35:59] <PetefromTn_> from who?
[00:36:05] <CaptHindsight> unless you want the TV stuff
[00:36:21] <PetefromTn_> I would probably enjoy the TV stuff IF it is included
[00:37:04] <CaptHindsight> yeah, the ones that didn't get their moneys worth didn't use the video stuff
[00:37:06] <PetefromTn_> honestly my wife likes to order from amazon and the free shipping would probably pay for itself in purchased shipping anyway
[00:37:24] <PetefromTn_> why wouldn't you use it if its included for free?
[00:37:46] <CaptHindsight> some people don't watch the TV stuff
[00:37:59] <XXCoder> and some just dont watch tv at all
[00:38:00] <_methods> yeah the only thing i use is the free shipping
[00:38:04] <_methods> but the tv is getting better
[00:38:27] <CaptHindsight> other use alternative TV services
[00:38:29] <XXCoder> and more spywares in tv too
[00:38:50] <XXCoder> vizio is worse, with tv constantly recording what you watch
[00:39:42] <CaptHindsight> any deals on 4 conductor 16-18ga super flex cables?
[00:40:07] <PetefromTn_> we watch netflix a lot over here
[00:40:32] <PetefromTn_> having the amazon TV would be another option and I understand that some of the shows are on one or the other
[00:40:49] <PetefromTn_> Do they take it out monthly or in one lump sum methods?
[00:41:03] <_methods> one shot
[00:41:11] <_methods> i think it's like $98
[00:41:20] <PetefromTn_> damn thats kinda shitty
[00:41:21] <CaptHindsight> I think they have funded and host Man in the High Castle as well as the new series by the old Top Gear crew
[00:41:22] <_methods> but around this time of year they usually have some deals
[00:41:32] <_methods> yeah man in the high castle is on there
[00:41:34] <_methods> and hand of god
[00:41:43] <PetefromTn_> TOP GEAR would be sweet
[00:42:00] <Tom_itx> ok, how do you get a round chamfer on a hex rod in SW?
[00:42:05] <_methods> watch for a discount on prime around now
[00:42:19] <Tom_itx> like a blend into the turned round part from a hex
[00:42:20] <_methods> you might have to do a revolved cut
[00:42:21] <CaptHindsight> Jeremy annouced that the whole crew is going to be on Amazon in'16
[00:42:31] <Tom_itx> k
[00:42:36] <_methods> since the hex will want to make it hex shaped
[00:42:42] <PetefromTn_> just select each facet of the hex and champfer?
[00:42:52] <Tom_itx> that doesn't work
[00:43:07] <Tom_itx> you end up with a hex chamfer not a round one
[00:43:13] <_methods> yeah
[00:43:20] <_methods> that's why i'd use a revolved cut
[00:43:32] <Tom_itx> i will
[00:44:23] <PetefromTn_> _methods are you sure there is not an option for monthly payments on it?
[00:44:34] <_methods> i am not sure
[00:44:40] <PetefromTn_> ok
[00:45:12] <_methods> i would imagine that would invite some abuse
[00:45:25] <_methods> people just getting prime for a month and ordering everything they can find
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[00:46:05] <CaptHindsight> they also make it easy for you to forget to un-subscribe
[00:46:34] <Sync> PetefromTn_: gawd. changed the brakes on the mitsu, what a joke
[00:47:56] <_methods> i buy stuff from amazon regularly so it makes sense for me
[00:48:21] <PetefromTn_> Sync huh?
[00:48:38] <Sync> well
[00:48:52] <Sync> I have gone from disc/drum to dual piston front and disc in the back
[00:49:09] <PetefromTn_> _methods I agree that I would and have been buying things regularly from amazon so between that and the free TV it WOULD be worth it but I hate having to swallow that hundred bucks right off the bat
[00:49:16] <Sync> and it appears that USDM/JDM cars were slightly different than european ones
[00:49:20] <Sync> so shit did not fit at all
[00:49:48] <PetefromTn_> shit typically never does in my experience ;)
[00:49:58] <Sync> yeah
[00:50:06] <Sync> I mean, it was expected
[00:50:11] <Sync> but not to that amount
[00:50:34] <Tom_itx> hah perfect and so simple
[00:54:15] <_methods> i'm sure there's some way to do it with chamfer
[00:54:19] <_methods> or fillet
[00:54:22] <_methods> you wanted a fillet right?
[00:54:29] <Tom_itx> chamfer
[00:54:47] <Tom_itx> one line and a centerline and done
[00:54:57] <_methods> ah chamfer tool is not as robust as the fillet tool
[00:55:12] <_methods> yeah revoloved cut is the easiest way i know to do that
[00:56:48] <zeeshan|2> whats a round chamfer :P
[00:59:38] <PetefromTn_> apparently when you use the free trial and agree to accept the PRIME option you do NOT get the TV or the Kindle library stuff until the free trial is over. BUMMER DUDE!!
[01:00:32] <_methods> well the tv is hardly a selling point lol
[01:00:42] <PetefromTn_> It Is for me
[01:00:53] <PetefromTn_> honestly it is MOST of the reason I am considering it
[01:01:02] <PetefromTn_> that and free 2 day shipping ;)
[01:01:22] <PetefromTn_> I would love to be able to watch current Top Gear shows when they start up
[01:01:48] <Tom_itx> stream
[01:01:56] <_methods> they usually have a big discount on it later in november
[01:02:19] <_methods> i think earlier this year they did a $79/year prime thing
[01:02:48] <_methods> man i just started watching black sails and that show is pretty damn good
[01:03:08] <_methods> lots of boobies
[01:03:31] <zeeshan|2> Ilove cOLORS
[01:03:37] <zeeshan|2> i forgot irc had colors
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[01:14:42] <Sync> zeeshan|2: turns out the spindle on the rear axle is 30mm on newer cars and 28mm on old ones
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[01:18:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.wireandcabletogo.com/16-AWG-SOOW/ not bad for short lengths
[01:24:46] <PetefromTn_> I guess I will try it
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[01:44:47] <PetefromTn_> well I think just with this two orders I just placed shipping would have been like $20 at least so I am 1/5 of the way to paying off this Prime thing ;)
[01:45:43] <_methods> yeah it's easy to make it pay off pretty quick
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[01:47:13] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/jZ4NRO3 my wife just finished cleaning all the wire looms we removed from the electronics cabinet!!
[01:47:20] <_methods> i just ordered a 200' 5/8" static rope and it was prime
[01:47:36] <_methods> the shipping from everyone else was $20
[01:47:42] <PetefromTn_> do you typically really get the 2 day shipping?
[01:47:45] <_methods> and i got the rope cheaper than everyone else
[01:47:47] <_methods> yeah
[01:47:51] <_methods> i never use the credit
[01:47:55] <_methods> so i just get 2 day
[01:47:55] <PetefromTn_> sweet
[01:48:06] <PetefromTn_> trying the TV stuff now
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[01:52:58] <duc> I usually get two day shipping but prime tv does suck
[01:53:29] <_methods> yeah the tv is hardly a selling point lol
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[01:54:45] <duc> Yea. That's why I've kept netflix and buy shows on amazon if I want to watch current stuff. No cable at this point and I still come ahead each month
[01:57:32] <jdh> the music is painful also
[01:57:54] <_methods> and you have to pay extra for the kindle library
[01:57:55] <jdh> but, 2 day delivery, and on sunday is nice
[01:58:06] <_methods> which is the only thing that would be worth it besides free shipping
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[01:59:26] <Sync> PetefromTn_: I'm actually amazed
[01:59:34] <Sync> mitsubishi still has *every* body part for my car
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[02:05:57] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHTcSKkUU8U - When you just have to have 200 axes.
[02:07:06] <Sync> that's pretty cool
[02:07:18] <Sync> my universities wave canal has a removable roof
[02:07:48] <SpeedEvil> It's insane. I note the 25m pool has '1:16 scale" in the notes.
[02:08:13] <SpeedEvil> I guess if you actually want to test large power turbines, you've pretty much got to go there
[02:08:47] <SpeedEvil> Even the leetle pool would make an awesome indoor sea-pool.
[02:09:23] <Jymmm> Eh, not impressed. Have it make a sandwich or a pretty pretty princess castle and now were talking!
[02:11:18] <Jymmm> The Earth's ocean have bene making waves for millions of years, at least this makes use of them...
http://liquidr.com/technology/waveglider/how-it-works.html
[02:12:08] <Jymmm> San Francisco to Australia, all on wave power...
http://liquidr.com/resdown/resources/case-studies/pacx.html
[02:12:36] <Sync> well
[02:12:46] <Sync> simulating waves is non trivial
[02:12:52] <Sync> so you need a canal to verify models
[02:13:00] <Jymmm> Again, ocean, millions of year, nuff said.
[02:13:46] <Jymmm> Maybe there is legit use for that, but I'm just not impressed by it.
[02:14:58] <Jymmm> (no offense intended)
[02:16:33] <Sync> the ocean does not help you if you want to engineer shores
[02:17:43] <Sync> https://youtu.be/MSDRmmsVoBc?t=1m20s
[02:18:22] <Sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kJ0cGrC74A
[02:18:42] <Jymmm> Needs surfboard =)
[02:23:14] <PetefromTn_> well its been kind of a shit day in the shop today for me
[02:23:46] <PetefromTn_> I managed to bugger up my starrett edge finder
[02:24:07] <PetefromTn_> and then I tried to run the Steyr Rail program I have run hundreds of times now
[02:24:26] <PetefromTn_> and quickly broke off not one, not two, but three 1/8 inch endmills
[02:24:39] <PetefromTn_> I am not really sure what the hell is wrong either
[02:24:53] <PetefromTn_> I think it MIGHT have somehow jacked up the collet when I first broke it
[02:25:05] <PetefromTn_> then the rest just suffered from it or something
[02:25:18] <_methods> put an indicator on it
[02:25:22] <PetefromTn_> I did
[02:25:27] <_methods> no runout?
[02:25:29] <PetefromTn_> it was not too terrible
[02:25:42] <PetefromTn_> after the broken one it was less than a thou
[02:25:44] <_methods> spring collet?
[02:25:48] <PetefromTn_> ER20
[02:26:13] <PetefromTn_> so instead of printing some more money tonight I am OUT a good bit
[02:26:29] <_methods> is the end mill pulling out of the collet
[02:26:41] <_methods> i don't like using spring collets for end mills
[02:26:45] <PetefromTn_> I just ordered some new Maritool 1/8 3 flute endmills with .015 radii
[02:26:50] <_methods> i always try to use solid holders
[02:26:55] <PetefromTn_> not me
[02:27:06] <PetefromTn_> I almost always use spring collets
[02:27:15] <PetefromTn_> seldom have any issues
[02:27:24] <_methods> well you can get away with that most of the time
[02:27:29] <PetefromTn_> but like I said I think I damaged the collet
[02:27:33] <_methods> but then you break 3 end mills back to back
[02:27:43] <PetefromTn_> so I just ordered a new ER20 1/8 from maritool
[02:27:47] <_methods> i only use drills in spring collets
[02:27:54] <_methods> and taps go in tap collets
[02:28:02] <PetefromTn_> I am not certain why it is breaking them yet
[02:28:12] <_methods> but i'm not gonna lie i've used end mill in spring collet out of laziness
[02:28:40] <PetefromTn_> every shop I have worked in we used spring collets for endmills
[02:28:47] <_methods> wow really/
[02:28:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah really
[02:28:59] <_methods> good way to break an end mill
[02:29:23] <PetefromTn_> I guess if you say so we never really had any problems with it
[02:29:52] <_methods> they make weldon shank tools and holders for a reason
[02:30:16] <PetefromTn_> almost none of my endmills have weldon shanks
[02:30:46] <_methods> yeah i know you can get them but most people that use those are putting them in to shrink tooling
[02:31:33] <PetefromTn_> heh only one of the shops I worked in even had shrink fit tooling. and they only had a couple holders as it was
[02:32:15] <PetefromTn_> but either way It was a shit night
[02:32:32] <PetefromTn_> I am out close to a hundred bucks in replacing all the stuff I damaged/broke
[02:32:56] <_methods> yeah that sux
[02:33:10] <_methods> tooling is hell
[02:33:28] <_methods> then whiny bitch ass customers whine when you tell them how much there stuff is gonna cost
[02:33:32] <PetefromTn_> it sux mostly because I have run that damn program a bunch already without issues
[02:34:05] <_methods> that makes it even worse
[02:34:16] <PetefromTn_> I also bought a couple new 123 blocks
[02:34:37] <_methods> nice
[02:34:41] <PetefromTn_> I really need a couple more for setups and they had a good price on them on amazon
[02:34:55] <_methods> yeah i need some more myself
[02:34:57] <PetefromTn_> watching gremlins on Amazon Prime now LOL
[02:35:00] <_methods> i need some 246's
[02:35:06] <PetefromTn_> I do too
[02:35:40] <PetefromTn_> I use them often to prop up stuff off the table that is difficult to hold in the vise
[02:36:20] <_methods> yeah helpful buggers
[02:37:09] <PetefromTn_> I am so happy my wife helped me with the electronics cabinet it looks brand new inside there now
[02:37:24] <PetefromTn_> I was just gonna scrape the crud off the bottom and spray and wipe it out a bit
[02:37:36] <PetefromTn_> but now it is totally sparklin' in there LOL
[02:37:48] <PetefromTn_> will make wiring up the stuff so much nicer
[02:37:53] <_methods> now you just need to teach here her how to grind end mills and have her make you some new ones lol
[02:38:13] <PetefromTn_> I thought there was a bit more din rail in there than there actually was but I think I can make it work nice
[02:38:44] <PetefromTn_> actually I would love to get the CNC lathe up and running and teach her how to run that thing for the small parts runs we will hopefully be doing.
[02:39:15] <PetefromTn_> I THINK it will be easier/safer than the CNC mill in the end for proven programs.
[02:39:15] <_methods> hell yeah you already got yourself a button monkey
[02:39:30] <PetefromTn_> heh Button Babe..
[02:39:33] <_methods> hahah
[02:39:55] <PetefromTn_> she actually wants to learn to tig weld if you can believe that...
[02:40:00] <_methods> wow
[02:40:06] <_methods> not mig?
[02:40:08] <_methods> just tig lol
[02:40:15] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to get the cash together to buy another Tig unit for the shop here
[02:40:25] <_methods> you need a 2nd one?
[02:40:29] <PetefromTn_> Tig is where the money is I think LOL
[02:40:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah mine is over at the race shop where I work part time
[02:40:48] <_methods> i just picked up an ltec 306 for $400
[02:41:00] <PetefromTn_> LOL I have an Ltec....
[02:41:03] <PetefromTn_> it kicks ass
[02:41:08] <_methods> ah good to hear that
[02:41:08] <PetefromTn_> despite its age
[02:41:15] <_methods> yeah i hear they are good machines
[02:41:18] <_methods> just power hogs
[02:41:20] <PetefromTn_> is a 306 a tig
[02:41:24] <_methods> yeah
[02:41:32] <PetefromTn_> I have no idea what mine is called
[02:41:34] <_methods> it's the upgraded 306 too
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[02:42:15] <PetefromTn_> damn that is a good looking machine
[02:42:22] <PetefromTn_> what options does it have?
[02:42:36] <PetefromTn_> I am sure it is AC/DC but what else?
[02:42:53] <_methods> i'll have to take a pic of it
[02:43:09] <_methods> it's still at the shop it's so damn heavy i gotta figure out some way to get it in the garage lol
[02:43:21] <PetefromTn_> I know mine is a beast heavy
[02:43:24] <_methods> yeah
[02:43:30] <PetefromTn_> but I gotta say it ALWAYS WORKS
[02:43:39] <PetefromTn_> and it has got power to spare
[02:43:50] <_methods> you got the original foot pedal?
[02:43:58] <_methods> i gotta find a pedal for mine
[02:44:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah heavy steel arrangement
[02:44:07] <_methods> ah damn
[02:44:13] <_methods> they are hard to find i guess
[02:44:18] <PetefromTn_> jeez 400 thats so cheap
[02:44:25] <_methods> hell yeah
[02:44:28] <_methods> auction baby
[02:44:29] <PetefromTn_> did you get it at auction
[02:44:32] <PetefromTn_> ah
[02:44:34] <_methods> damn skippy
[02:44:50] <_methods> i got a hougen 10914 there too
[02:44:52] <_methods> $400
[02:46:00] <PetefromTn_> http://s682.photobucket.com/user/arqangel67/media/Photo-0967.jpg.html does it look like this?
[02:46:17] <_methods> yep
[02:46:18] <_methods> tha's it
[02:46:32] <_methods> mine has all those options too
[02:46:51] <PetefromTn_> looks like it has high freq adj and AC balance
[02:46:52] <PetefromTn_> nice
[02:46:52] <_methods> i think tha's the upgraded version
[02:47:08] <_methods> you water cooling yours?
[02:47:12] <_methods> or gas
[02:47:36] <_methods> i'm just gonna run with gas cooling till i can build a water cooler for it
[02:47:56] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: FWIW... Partially seasoned wood is just a waste of money.
[02:48:04] <PetefromTn_> I just use an air cooled torch
[02:48:10] <PetefromTn_> never really had any problems
[02:48:16] <_methods> kk
[02:48:21] <PetefromTn_> but I would like to try a water cooled one at some point
[02:48:26] <_methods> i won't be welding enough to need water cooled
[02:48:35] <PetefromTn_> but I don't really weld high amps or for extended durations
[02:48:41] <_methods> but eventually i'll build a water cooler for it
[02:48:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: VERY WELL seasoned oak, or even better, almond is great! HUGE HUGE HUGE difference.
[02:48:55] <PetefromTn_> the stainless exhaust stuff is only like less than a hundred amps
[02:49:09] <_methods> you got it hooked up to a 100amp breaker?
[02:49:40] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/B4hv6Fu
[02:49:58] <_methods> you did that?
[02:50:00] <PetefromTn_> naah I only have a 60 here
[02:50:10] <_methods> ah good i got a 50 amp
[02:50:10] <PetefromTn_> and I don't think it is more than a 50 at the shop
[02:50:22] <PetefromTn_> yeah that was what I worked on friday
[02:50:27] <_methods> nice
[02:50:35] <PetefromTn_> do you think it looks okay?
[02:51:12] <Jymmm> Looks like crap! Should I click the link now?
[02:51:41] <_methods> looks great for being welded by a machinist lol
[02:51:45] <CaptHindsight> did you see the artisanal firewood video?
[02:51:49] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/ImFZEDU
[02:52:01] <Jymmm> Love the rainbow welds
[02:52:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I am not a trained tig welder just self taught
[02:52:14] <Sync> PetefromTn_: is that with filler?
[02:52:17] <_methods> the one in the background doesn't look so good though lol
[02:52:17] <Jymmm> I've always thought that SS rainbow colored looks awesome
[02:52:25] <Sync> kinda looks like fusion with that undercutting at some spots
[02:52:30] <PetefromTn_> Sync yeah hand welded with filler
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[02:52:55] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: what model TIG do you use?
[02:53:09] <PetefromTn_> heh the one in the background is the very first one I did there
[02:53:19] <PetefromTn_> it was just an experiment and learning one
[02:53:23] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: (I'm kidding btw)
[02:53:41] <PetefromTn_> but we worked out where we wanted the waste dump with it
[02:54:04] <Sync> it's perfectly fine for what it is, but imho you should add more filler for a convex weld profile
[02:54:04] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight I use an old L-tec tig I have had for years right now
[02:54:16] <PetefromTn_> that is schedule 40
[02:54:20] <_methods> i'm glad to see you did that with the ltec
[02:54:32] <PetefromTn_> its some thick stuff
[02:54:42] <Sync> ah, chamfered the edge?
[02:54:45] <PetefromTn_> each one is bevelled pretty good
[02:54:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[02:55:01] <PetefromTn_> so there is a good bit of filler in there already
[02:55:02] <Sync> yeah, I suppose you need to add more filler
[02:55:02] <_methods> i gotta figure out how to get that heavy bastard off my truck and in the garage
[02:55:20] <Jymmm> _methods: donut on a stick?
[02:55:23] <Sync> for a code weld, but eh, who cares
[02:55:32] <PetefromTn_> where exactly do you see undercutting tho?
[02:56:09] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: whats that the header for?
[02:56:26] <Sync> weld in the middle of the picture and top of the picture
[02:56:27] <PetefromTn_> its for a big single turbo for a Mazda Rotary
[02:56:33] <Sync> profile looks concave
[02:56:34] <Jymmm> ah
[02:56:47] <PetefromTn_> which picture?
[02:57:11] <Sync> the first one, but they are in the same position (roughly) on both
[02:57:26] <Sync> but yeah, looks good :D
[02:57:37] <Sync> I did not realize that sch 40 was 3.8mm wall thickness
[02:57:52] <_methods> how much did you pay for your ltec PetefromTn_
[02:57:55] <PetefromTn_> I honestly do not see too much undercutting
[02:58:08] <PetefromTn_> I am not saying I am the best Tig welder here
[02:58:12] <PetefromTn_> I am certainly not
[02:58:30] <PetefromTn_> but I think I am getting better every day working there
[02:58:43] <_methods> looks good to me
[02:58:46] <PetefromTn_> compared to the first ones I did as you can see in the picture LOL
[02:59:00] <PetefromTn_> That guy ToxicFAb is unbelievable
[02:59:15] <PetefromTn_> as are several of the better pros that do this stuff
[02:59:28] <PetefromTn_> I have a ways to go before I can even come close to their consistency
[02:59:46] <PetefromTn_> I think I do better against the flanges than I do on the tube itself
[03:00:00] <PetefromTn_> _methods I probably paid too much for it
[03:00:08] <PetefromTn_> I got it a couple years ago
[03:00:17] <PetefromTn_> from a local welder guy who had it in his shop
[03:00:21] <Wolf_> 900hrs round about for each joint type/position and yer pro
[03:00:23] <PetefromTn_> he told me he never used it
[03:00:48] <PetefromTn_> Wolf is that right
[03:00:59] <PetefromTn_> you are the one who is a fabricator right?
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[03:01:11] <Wolf_> yeah
[03:01:40] <PetefromTn_> how do those look to you honestly I would value your review or comments on it
[03:02:43] <CaptHindsight> the problem is finding the first 800 hours of welding work that can be crappy
[03:03:05] <Wolf_> seen people pay for worse ;)
[03:03:16] <PetefromTn_> heh
[03:03:47] <Wolf_> could use more dips in the puddle
[03:04:00] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_:
http://www.weldingpro.com/shop/reconditioned-ltec-heliarc-306-tig-welding-machine-with-pedal/ is this similar to yours?
[03:04:33] <PetefromTn_> well other than it is also green and white it does not look exactly like that
[03:04:44] <PetefromTn_> mine is a 350 amp machine
[03:05:00] <PetefromTn_> I don't remember what model it is and it is not here so I cannot just go see
[03:05:31] <Wolf_> tiggin tube is one of the biggest bitches to do also
[03:05:38] <CaptHindsight> I come across a lot of Miller Synchrowave 350/1 for $2500
[03:05:46] <Sync> yeah, I fucking hate it too
[03:05:54] <Sync> the setup is a bitch mostly tho
[03:06:11] <PetefromTn_> Wolf that is pretty much all we do there is tube LOL
[03:06:27] <PetefromTn_> it is not easy to get really consistent with it I am finding
[03:06:33] <Sync> and I cannot use filler on most stuff I do
[03:06:44] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight the Synchrowaves are very nice machines I understand
[03:06:52] <Wolf_> yeah, I did my tig cert in the idea to build roll cages for rock trucks
[03:07:17] <Sync> tigging cages? that's pretty uncommon over the pond
[03:07:21] <_methods> yeah i tried to get a syncrowave or little dynasty
[03:07:23] <PetefromTn_> everything there is mostly just exhaust and intake stuff
[03:07:29] <_methods> but they always go for at least $1k
[03:07:34] <Wolf_> so far I have welded everything but a damn roll cage
[03:07:37] <_methods> so i got that ltec for $400 lol
[03:07:37] <zeeshan|2> Sync: that sux!
[03:07:50] <PetefromTn_> I would give you 400 for it ;)
[03:07:57] <Sync> zeeshan|2: shimmed it to 30mm
[03:08:00] <_methods> no way i just got it lol
[03:08:26] <Wolf_> I need to fire up my dynasty and see if it still works
[03:08:32] <PetefromTn_> the only thing that sucks about these older machines is they do not have pulsing and a lot of frequency adjustments
[03:08:37] <Sync> and tracked down a bearing that has the proper diameters
[03:08:53] <Sync> I find pulsing with the pedal is easier, for me
[03:09:17] <PetefromTn_> pulsing at high rates helps aluminum welds it seems
[03:09:41] <Wolf_> it does help
[03:09:56] <Sync> I usually crank up the frequency
[03:10:03] <Wolf_> tho my dx has more settings then I know what to do with
[03:10:15] <PetefromTn_> high freq on aluminum really helps clean the weld in aluminum
[03:10:22] <Sync> and that keeps the arc nice and tight
[03:10:23] <PetefromTn_> it sure does
[03:10:32] <Sync> but never tried to add pulse
[03:10:34] <PetefromTn_> my machine does not have that
[03:10:35] <_methods> yeah the last auction had a 200dx but it went for like $1200
[03:10:45] <_methods> i was too poor to get it lol
[03:10:45] <PetefromTn_> thats not a bad price
[03:11:06] <_methods> yeah
[03:11:07] <Wolf_> I think thats not much under what I paid for mine new….
[03:11:12] <Sync> for al I usually go to 300Hz or something
[03:11:17] <PetefromTn_> I would not mind a later synchro that has pulsing/high freq
[03:11:27] <Wolf_> but… that was 10 years ago lol
[03:11:46] <_methods> yeah there were like 3 350 syncrowaves but they all went for around $2k
[03:11:56] <PetefromTn_> your dx is over ten years old?
[03:11:59] <_methods> which also was outside of my budget
[03:12:26] <PetefromTn_> I thought they were newer than that
[03:13:20] <_methods> i think a new 200dx goes for like $2400 now or so
[03:13:21] <_methods> not sure
[03:13:52] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/tls/5308662279.html Lincoln square wave tig 350 and cool arc 40 water cooler - $1100
[03:14:05] <_methods> oh lawd i'm way off
[03:14:11] <_methods> they go for like $3k
[03:14:12] <Wolf_> I have no idea what I paid, invoice is in my desk at the other shop...
[03:14:58] <CaptHindsight> ^^ I think thats the Lincoln equivalent of the synchrowave
[03:15:32] <Wolf_> yeah, I got my 200dx mid 2004
[03:15:47] <Sync> Wolf_: is it common to build cages out of crmo over there or why would you tig them?
[03:16:22] <PetefromTn_> most cages are not chromo
[03:16:23] <Wolf_> I was looking at being able to do crmo if needed
[03:16:36] <PetefromTn_> unless you are in nascar or something
[03:16:58] <Wolf_> but mostly tig so I wouldnt have to worry about setting cars on fire with spatter
[03:17:17] <Sync> I found that tig is a bitch in a car, as you are always out of position
[03:18:02] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/tls/5314533773.html a deal if you're in northern Indiana
[03:18:04] <PetefromTn_> I honestly can't imagine doing it without a tig in a car
[03:18:05] <Wolf_> yup, 98% of the time I’m using my miller 210 glue gun
[03:18:11] <CaptHindsight> Miller Syncrowave 180 SD TIG Welder w/ Accessories & Transformer - $1000
[03:18:31] <Sync> well, lots of crmo in drag racing from what I see, which I don't understand
[03:18:42] <Wolf_> weight
[03:18:54] <Sync> post weld treatment is so finicky that I'd rather have mild steel there
[03:19:36] <PetefromTn_> most of the crawler rollcages and drag car cages I have seen done around here are just DOM tube
[03:23:10] <Sync> usually it is 40x2mm with the main hoop being 45x2.5mm with min yield 450N/mm²
[03:25:32] <Sync> usually 1.0570
[03:26:19] <PetefromTn_> they use a lot of 1 3/4 and 1 5/8 here
[03:26:48] <PetefromTn_> gussets can be smaller but most stuff is one of those sizes depending on the overall weight of the vehicle
[03:26:51] <Sync> that's pretty thin
[03:27:01] <PetefromTn_> thin?
[03:27:08] <Sync> or rather small, diameter wise
[03:27:22] <PetefromTn_> I guess
[03:27:37] <PetefromTn_> seem pretty big when you try to stuff it in the car LOL
[03:27:58] <Sync> no shit
[03:28:02] <Sync> try 45mm
[03:28:13] <Wolf_> 1.75” sounds right, I think thats one of the dies I have for my bender
[03:28:35] <PetefromTn_> 45 mm pretty much IS 1 3/4 LOL
[03:28:39] <Sync> err, yeah
[03:28:48] <Sync> just typed it into my calculator
[03:28:50] <Sync> and was like wat
[03:28:51] <Wolf_> lol
[03:28:56] <Sync> yeah, sounds about right
[03:29:02] <PetefromTn_> I know LOL
[03:29:24] <PetefromTn_> I built my own rollcages and bars in my own rock crawling samurai's
[03:29:27] <Sync> I somehow just parsed the 1"
[03:29:34] <Sync> and thought eh, that's pretty skinny
[03:29:42] <PetefromTn_> but I have never put one in someone else's car
[03:29:45] <Sync> because I have seen people try that...
[03:29:51] <Wolf_> maybe next summer I’ll finally use my bender lmao (after 11yrs of owning it)
[03:30:00] <PetefromTn_> I usually used 1 5/8 in the zuks
[03:30:18] <PetefromTn_> I built what they call a Family rollcage for the rear passengers
[03:30:21] <Sync> I need to get a mandrel bender :/
[03:30:35] <PetefromTn_> I built my own awhile back but never got around to buying dies for it LOL
[03:30:52] <PetefromTn_> so I got tired of it sitting there and sold it
[03:31:02] <PetefromTn_> I need to make another one now hehe
[03:32:09] <Wolf_> I want to do a hydraulic conversion to mine
[03:32:38] <PetefromTn_> jd2?
[03:32:46] <Wolf_> pro-tools
[03:32:58] <PetefromTn_> aah about the same thing
[03:33:04] <Wolf_> yup
[03:34:01] <zeeshan|2> jd^2 win
[03:35:08] <Sync> I always feel like they pinch the tubes too much, but I guess they are fine
[03:35:20] <Wolf_> http://www.pro-tools.com/products/manual-tube-and-pipe-bender-105-heavy-duty-package is what I have
[03:35:47] <zeeshan|2> Sync: dont use thin wall :P
[03:35:51] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/pXybv this is the one I built but sold
[03:36:16] <Sync> but thickwall weights a ton zeeshan|2 :P
[03:36:26] <_methods> i need to make one of those
[03:36:26] <zeeshan|2> death sucks
[03:36:33] <PetefromTn_> I built that awhile ago when I first got the Tig
[03:36:47] <PetefromTn_> _methods there is not much to it really
[03:36:47] <zeeshan|2> weight is okay at the cost of death prevention
[03:36:47] <zeeshan|2> :)
[03:36:54] <Sync> yes, but not more than needed
[03:36:54] <_methods> you gotta buy the dies for it though right?
[03:36:57] <PetefromTn_> hey zeeshan|2
[03:37:01] <PetefromTn_> sure
[03:37:03] <Sync> and more than 2mm tubing is not really needed
[03:37:04] <zeeshan|2> i like chromoly for that reason
[03:37:05] <zeeshan|2> its light
[03:37:07] <PetefromTn_> that is the most expensive part
[03:37:13] <zeeshan|2> and if you tig it well, it is awesome
[03:37:22] <_methods> yeah i could probably make them i guess
[03:37:26] <zeeshan|2> hi pete
[03:37:27] <_methods> i think i've seen prints for them
[03:37:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah you probably could
[03:37:40] <Sync> yeah, but I'm wary of the heat effects on the material
[03:37:41] <PetefromTn_> for the dies?
[03:37:42] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: holy cow man
[03:37:44] <zeeshan|2> that's a serious bender
[03:37:47] <Sync> seen too many cages crack at the weld
[03:37:49] <zeeshan|2> puts jd2 to shame
[03:37:58] <Sync> even "pro" ones
[03:38:00] <_methods> yeah prints for dies
[03:38:07] <PetefromTn_> it would have been nice I think if I ever used it
[03:38:19] <PetefromTn_> dies don't really need prints
[03:38:32] <PetefromTn_> just whatever size and whatever radii
[03:38:34] <zeeshan|2> Sync: yea its pretty easy to change the composition of chromoly to be brittle around weld
[03:38:45] <_methods> well distance from pivot to the radius
[03:38:51] <zeeshan|2> gotta let that stuff cool down slow!
[03:39:02] <_methods> the prints weren't exactly complicated lol
[03:39:27] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zXdW_o47Sw
[03:39:36] <PetefromTn_> that is what mine WOULD have looked like finished
[03:39:43] <Sync> that's pretty hard to do in a car, imho
[03:39:49] <PetefromTn_> I think I had like a hundred bucks in steel in it
[03:39:58] <Sync> people try to heat it with a flame, but meh
[03:40:00] <PetefromTn_> and another 50 bucks in pins etc.
[03:40:02] <Sync> I'm not trusting that
[03:40:25] <Sync> I rather accept the weight penalty st52 gives me
[03:40:37] <PetefromTn_> I actually drilled the holes but now I would machine the arms in the Cinci
[03:41:12] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 hey man critique my Tig welds for me :D
[03:44:54] <zeeshan|2> link
[03:45:07] <PetefromTn_> sec
[03:45:33] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/B4hv6Fu.jpg
[03:46:04] <zeeshan|2> looks great!
[03:46:04] <PetefromTn_> https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/for/5249191377.html nice machine
[03:46:24] <PetefromTn_> honestly don't play with me man :D
[03:46:25] <zeeshan|2> im more impressed by the surface finish and engraving though
[03:46:26] <zeeshan|2> haha
[03:46:48] <PetefromTn_> heh surface finish could be a lot better actually
[03:46:53] <zeeshan|2> are you using 309l
[03:46:54] <PetefromTn_> I had JUST got the new facemill
[03:46:57] <zeeshan|2> at the stainless to mild steel flange?
[03:47:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[03:47:02] <Wolf_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoUyFcDA27M
[03:47:15] <zeeshan|2> nice
[03:47:15] <PetefromTn_> and the T4 flange is actually stainless tho
[03:48:03] <PetefromTn_> It not Toxicfab ;)
[03:48:13] <zeeshan|2> its really good in my eyes
[03:49:27] <PetefromTn_> its the best I have been able to do so far
[03:50:11] <PetefromTn_> I am REALLY trying to improve both for me and for the guys at the shop
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[03:54:14] <PetefromTn_> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/302515299942539689/
[03:55:07] <zeeshan|2> jeeez
[03:55:10] <zeeshan|2> okay i need to sleep :D
[03:55:22] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 man
[03:56:49] <PetefromTn_> http://www.toxicfab.com/ this guys is amazing
[03:58:37] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4gC-L8ELso
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[08:57:01] <maxcnc> hi all from a sunny germany today expecting snow on sunday ;-)
[08:57:12] <maxcnc> pcw_home: are you on ?
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[09:05:34] <Contract_Pilot> Sup.
[09:06:02] <Contract_Pilot> Been busy with Ak-47 mags today whoo!! 300 gone!
[09:10:15] <maxcnc> sold out in Texas
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[09:22:18] <gonzo_> you make AK mags?
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[09:45:24] <Duc_mobile> Morning all 3 a.m. is early for driving
[09:46:48] <Duc_mobile> Somehow I don't own an AK yet
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[10:15:19] <gonzo_> pretty much impossible to own legally in the uk
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[10:23:34] <Duc_mobile> Three quarters of my gun collection would be illegal in UK and California
[10:24:25] <Duc_mobile> When I have UK vendors come into the plant the freak out cuz most of us have guns on us when we go out to eat
[10:25:37] <gonzo_> it's not something that the general public see in the UK. Guns are only seen on film and TV. Those who do shoot tend to keep it to themselves
[10:26:20] <gonzo_> even though there are 600,000 firearm/shotgun licences issued in the UK.
[10:27:52] <Duc_mobile> It's interesting to see the cultural differences between the two places
[10:29:59] <Duc_mobile> I'm not sure how you guys doing your taxes
[10:30:07] <Duc_mobile> Deal with taxes
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[10:32:15] <gonzo_> most people with bisic finances, the govenment sort out the taxes at source. So your employer hands over the tax before you see your wages
[10:32:21] <gonzo_> basic
[10:33:14] <Duc_mobile> What percentage of your income is taxes
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[10:33:42] <Duc_mobile> I think right now I pay around 25% of my wages in Taxes
[10:33:43] <gonzo_> for most people it's roughly 30% of income
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[10:35:13] <Duc_mobile> I'm guessing that's with people with average jobs
[10:35:19] <gonzo_> there is a minimum (ÂŁ10k) that you don't pay tax on, then you pay about 35% on all above that. (with a higher % for higher earners)
[10:35:35] <Duc_mobile> Speak to text is making me look like an idiot
[10:35:58] <gonzo_> hehe, just my crap typing does that job for me
[10:36:42] <Duc_mobile> Same but I'm driving right now and it's 4:30 a.m.
[10:37:19] <gonzo_> you commute to work?
[10:37:48] <Duc_mobile> I'm visiting one of our plants and I need to set up an ACME polisher
[10:38:01] <Duc_mobile> Look up acne polisher on YouTube it's a fully automated system
[10:38:02] <gonzo_> I did think it was an odd time to see people from your side of the pond
[10:38:28] <Duc_mobile> Lol I left at 2:30 a.m. from my house to make it there by 7 a.m.
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[11:47:31] <jthornton> 100% chance of rain for the next two days
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[11:49:49] <jthornton> hmmm this computer seems to reboot itself a lot
[12:04:24] <duc> Is it overheating
[12:08:39] <malcom2073> Or is the power supply bad?
[12:08:51] <malcom2073> I've had reboots from a bad power supply before
[12:16:30] <Jymmm> jthornton: Have you happen to have seen this kid hanging out at your place by chance?
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/418613549548974080/o3thVcHz.jpeg
[12:17:35] <jthornton> probably not...
[12:17:50] * jthornton checks usage before clicking on a jpeg
[12:18:52] <jthornton> nope I'm over budget now
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[12:46:18] <Tom_itx> 52°F & light showers
[12:47:27] <Tom_itx> looks like you're getting most of it
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true&location=USKS0523
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[12:57:30] <jthornton> yea, so much for siding work lol
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[15:09:23] <duc> What is the difference between a 5i25 and 6i25 mesa card?
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[15:10:40] <duc> Nevermind. One is pci and the other is a pci-express
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[15:26:59] <MarkusBec> duc: 5i25 pci 6i25 pciexpress
[15:29:01] <duc> Yep notice right after I posted. Here's to my fingers cross my new 7i77 board ships fast
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[15:34:19] <malcom2073> Did mesa finally get caught up?
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[15:35:25] <lair82> pcw_home you around?
[15:36:15] <pcw_home> sort of, recovering from a bit of snippage
[15:37:45] <lair82> ?????
[15:38:13] <pcw_home> A little surgery
[15:38:41] <lair82> Oh, I hope nothing too serious, I had a question regarding the thread time on my 7i80,
[15:39:33] <pcw_home> OK
[15:41:39] <lair82> I was having some issues with my ladder logic, and starting to investigate the servo_thread, and realized that I have it set for 2.5ms, and I am actually running in the 4.9-5ms range. So I made a new slower thread just for the ladder stuff, and then I noticed the 7i80 read.tmax was in the 3.8ms range. Is this normal/
[15:42:09] <duc> malcom2073: hopefully they are
[15:42:11] <lair82> Need more coffee, too many typo's
[15:42:17] <pcw_home> No, thats crazy high
[15:42:51] <lair82> When it is running the read.time is running right around 1ms
[15:43:01] <lair82> between .85 and 1.
[15:43:04] <lair82> 25
[15:43:07] <lair82> 1.25
[15:43:55] <pcw_home> One thing to remember is that read-time is in CPU clocks
[15:44:47] <lair82> Here is what "halcmd show" gave me, 28 s32 RW 3785632 hm2_7i80.0.read.tmax
[15:45:09] <_methods> you crazy on irc answering questions after surgery
[15:45:42] <_methods> you amaze me more and more on here every day pcw_home
[15:45:59] <lair82> I thank him though, for answering them, many, many thanks
[15:46:02] <pcw_home> thats really slow, here a Old core duo running
[15:46:04] <pcw_home> 25 s32 OUT 221379 hm2_7i76e.0.read.time
[15:46:19] <pcw_home> (about 60 usec on average)
[15:46:34] <lair82> This is on that H97 board
[15:46:37] <_methods> much respect to the pcw
[15:46:54] <_methods> a dedicated genius is not a common thing
[15:47:00] <pcw_home> Using the MB port on teh h97?
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[15:47:26] <pcw_home> (wife is about to yell at me to get back in bed)
[15:47:26] <lair82> Yep
[15:47:57] <lair82> I don't want you getting in trouble with her !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:49:19] <pcw_home> this should help:
[15:49:21] <pcw_home> sudo ethtool -C eth2 rx-usecs 0
[15:49:22] <pcw_home> (might be eth0 in your case)
[15:50:22] <pcw_home> may have to apt-get -install ethtool
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[15:50:30] <pcw_home> bbl
[15:52:02] <lair82> No problem pcw_home get some rest, Thank you
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[16:18:31] <maxcnc> Hi all
[16:20:19] <maxcnc> so pcw is gone to bed what timezone is he in
[16:24:02] <Jymmmm> Twilight Zone
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[16:34:49] <lair82> He is in the Pacific time zone
[16:35:29] <CaptHindsight> sometimes he's up before the chickins, sometimes he's here later in the day
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[16:36:23] <maxcnc> i will get him any time some time
[16:36:49] <anomynous> are all rfids compatible?
[16:36:59] <anomynous> or is it a bunch of different things
[16:37:00] <archivist> or read some docs and sort yourself out
[16:37:23] <maxcnc> i did but im stuck
[16:37:25] <CaptHindsight> anomynous: there are several different "standards"
[16:37:47] <anomynous> CaptHindsight, which one is small and could be glued on tool holder? ;D
[16:37:54] <maxcnc> since i updated the 5i25 7i76 the mashine is unusabel
[16:38:14] <maxcnc> the 7i76 forced to update the eeprom
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[16:39:45] <lair82> maxcnc, what do you mean by "unusable"?
[16:40:37] <maxcnc> if i fire up the plasma it breaks down the 5i25 and the 7i76
[16:40:50] <maxcnc> full mashine power reset
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[16:41:25] <lair82> does it give any faults or messages?
[16:41:26] <maxcnc> the linuxcnc is running as planed but no mashine anymore need to do a ESC on pc and restart the hole system
[16:41:51] <maxcnc> Communication Error 13 and error reading car 4
[16:42:47] <maxcnc> if i break the system down from 2.8 to 2.5.4 it is the same fault but the mashine keeps running and i can delete the message
[16:43:22] <lair82> Can you post the actual debug message
[16:43:37] <maxcnc> no im not on the mashine right now
[16:44:22] <maxcnc> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/49-basic-configuration/29863-mesa-7i76-time-out-error
[16:44:32] <CaptHindsight> anomynous:
http://www.atlasrfidstore.com/ has a pretty wide selection and also sample kits for fair prices
[16:44:54] <maxcnc> i got a 4 insted of a 3
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[16:48:05] <lair82> I would post a copy of your config on the forum, the we can start from there. What does this line in your INI look like, "DEBUG= "?
[16:49:26] <maxcnc> DEBUG = 0
[16:50:55] <lair82> I would change it to "DEBUG=0x7FFFFFFF" , it will spit out the actual debug message before linuxcnc even starts, giving clues as to what is wrong.
[16:51:18] <maxcnc> ok
[16:54:07] <maxcnc> i checked the 24V but not the 5V from PC i will do so
[16:54:52] <maxcnc> is it better to use the 5V externel
[16:58:05] <pcw_home> maxcnc: check your dmesg logs carefully for watchdog bite messages
[16:59:04] <maxcnc> ok i will
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[16:59:44] <maxcnc> i got them up to 50000000
[17:00:14] <maxcnc> pcw_home: hi i missed you nearly one week
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[17:00:53] <maxcnc> i got 18000uF condenser at the 7i76 24V
[17:01:20] <pcw_home> A watchdog bite will cause a cascade of sserial errors
[17:01:56] <pcw_home> and the cause of the watchdog bite must be determined to fix the problem
[17:02:03] <maxcnc> ive seen some timing updates in your update but cand find if i have to reakt in the ini or hal on that
[17:02:29] <pcw_home> are you saying you have watchdog bites?
[17:02:36] <maxcnc> no
[17:02:54] <maxcnc> the mashine runs for houres if i dont fire the plasma
[17:03:07] <maxcnc> without any message at all
[17:03:18] <maxcnc> i checked a 35min part without M3
[17:03:40] <pcw_home> so its a noise issue, probably on the DB25 cable
[17:03:43] <maxcnc> that doing well on all systemn 2.5.4 2.6 2.7.2 and 2.8master
[17:04:08] <maxcnc> i did change the cabel as i got alot of them from you
[17:04:37] <maxcnc> if i fire the plasma on 2.6 or hire the system goes off mashine side
[17:05:07] <maxcnc> on 2.5.4 i only getting a message and it runs sometimes over the error
[17:05:33] <maxcnc> sometimes it fails as on the newee linuxversions
[17:05:37] <pcw_home> 2.6 and later are fussier about sserial errors
[17:06:00] <pcw_home> I dont think 2.5.4 even reports all errors
[17:06:03] <maxcnc> i dident check if any led on the 5i25 went on
[17:06:18] <maxcnc> is there a error shown on the inside led
[17:06:31] <pcw_home> should not (unless you lost 3.3V)
[17:06:41] <maxcnc> ok
[17:07:35] <maxcnc> i got the powerplan today from the mashine i will unhook all power from the plasma ,THC and M3 system and try to fire it up by cabel shorten
[17:07:55] <maxcnc> to see if a cabel break in the wirer chans getting me in troubel
[17:08:00] <pcw_home> Can you post a dmesg log?
[17:08:01] <pcw_home> (first do a sudo dmesg -C)
[17:08:25] <pcw_home> extra character errors are a sure sign of electrical noise
[17:08:34] <maxcnc> the problem might be as you are sleeping im working and the oposit
[17:08:57] <pcw_home> (more that 1.4V of ground difference from one end to the other of DB25 cable)
[17:09:20] <maxcnc> the plasma also is old and has over 500hrs of work so it might fire some grounding issues
[17:09:33] <pcw_home> No, I have been recovering from surgery so not available the last week or so
[17:09:57] <maxcnc> No problem i got 3 othere plasmas working on 7i76
[17:10:11] <maxcnc> but they not asking for upgread
[17:10:17] <pcw_home> Make sure the 5I25 bracket is grounded well
[17:10:38] <pcw_home> thats the shield return
[17:10:50] <maxcnc> they got a xbox controller and i had to upgread for the xhc-hb04 controler on fals understanding
[17:11:35] <maxcnc> geroundet to PC ground or mashine grnd
[17:13:16] <maxcnc> so i dont get to it bracket means the DB25 metal shield
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[17:21:39] <maxcnc> pcw_home: do i need this sserial at all the mashine runs also without the hal config line as this loadrt hm2_pci config=" num_encoders=0 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=5"
[17:22:09] <maxcnc> all the tb6 cabels trigger as expected without the sserial
[17:22:48] <maxcnc> this have been the normel pncconf entry loadrt hm2_pci config=" num_encoders=0 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=5 sserial_port_0=000xx"
[17:23:00] <pcw_home> sserial_port0 is started by default so its not needed in th config line
[17:23:13] <maxcnc> ok
[17:27:22] <maxcnc> havve e good recovery from the operation GN8
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[17:49:45] <Jymmm> TC powered fan...
http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/ecofan-ultrair-heat-powered-stove-fan
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[18:05:12] <malcom2073> I enjoy thermalelectric stuff, it's nifty
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[18:07:06] <Jymmm> as is the electric bill =)
[18:07:23] <malcom2073> Oh for sure :P
[18:08:35] <Jymmm> I'm trying to figure out how to heat the shop; I've seen DIY ammo cans converted into wood stoves (like for a tent), but what I'm seeing is that stove pipe is very pricy
[18:10:08] <malcom2073> Is it? I would've expected homedepot or whatnot would have it fairly cheap
[18:10:11] <malcom2073> the dual wall sorta stuff?
[18:10:18] <Jymmm> yeah
[18:10:40] <malcom2073> Ouch, $4 a ft
[18:10:50] <Jymmm> plus the thru-wall/ceiling thing
[18:11:15] <malcom2073> Yeah. I picked up a used wood stove off freecycle not long ago, but they can be had for fairly cheap. I'm going to try doing a boiler conversion with the exhaust from it
[18:11:21] <malcom2073> run radiators in the barn to heat it
[18:11:52] <Jymmm> Um, be careful fucking with the exhaust.
[18:12:18] <malcom2073> Oh absolutly, it's not by any means a sealed barn (very vented infact), and I plan on having the requisite co sensors etc nearby
[18:12:19] <Jymmm> You can create a backdraft if you pull too much heat away,
[18:12:35] <Jymmm> and startup can be "rough"
[18:13:07] <malcom2073> Oh I'm not going for like 100% efficiency cold exhaust or anything
[18:13:14] <malcom2073> just looking to get a bit more than convection off the stove housing
[18:13:48] <Jymmm> I'm talking choking to death
[18:14:09] <malcom2073> hence the air quality monitoring
[18:14:19] <Jymmm> that backdraft can get very smelly, even without setting off CO
[18:14:37] <malcom2073> I thought that's what backdraft dampners were for?
[18:15:05] <malcom2073> Prevent it from pulling air in
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[18:16:52] <malcom2073> I've seen some people use powered vents to help
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[18:40:48] <CaptHindsight> LFTRs in 5 minutes - Thorium Reactors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK367T7h6ZY waiting for these on alibaba
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[18:48:06] <_methods> sounds too good to be true............
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[18:48:42] <_methods> what's the catch
[18:49:19] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbyr7jZOllI
[18:50:30] <Jymmm> _methods: The same reason the 1,000,000 Mile tire "doesn't exist"
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[18:51:21] <Jymmm> desalinate water?!
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[18:52:00] <CaptHindsight> _methods: politics, money, the usual
[18:52:22] <Jymmm> what CaptHindsight said
[18:54:32] <CaptHindsight> whosgot the best prices on 16ga/4 shielded cable?
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[18:55:21] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I bought mine years ago by the foot at home depot
[18:56:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.wireandcabletogo.com/16-AWG-SOOW/ $0.46/ft for unshielded
[18:59:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: you want heavy jacket?
[19:00:25] <CaptHindsight> all types, UV, indoor, super flex, just not solid
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[19:03:06] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: 18ga no good?
[19:03:28] <CaptHindsight> depends on the size of the motors
[19:04:43] <Jymmm> I found shielded, 250ft for $204USD
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[19:04:58] <Jymmm> https://www.anixter.com/en_us/products/Instrumentation-and-Thermocouple-Cable/p/2AS-1602SPOS
[19:05:06] <CaptHindsight> $0.58/ft for 18 awg 3 pair each shielded / $290/500ft
[19:05:24] <Jymmm> Yeah, 18ga is much easier to source
[19:05:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.wireandcabletogo.com/18-AWG-3-Pair-Computer-Cable-Individually-Foil-Shielded-500ft-or-1000ft-Spool.html
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[19:05:43] <Jymmm> thus why I asked =)
[19:05:56] <CaptHindsight> I used to buy from Anixter
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[19:06:50] <Jymmm> Eh,
http://www.solar-electric.com/4ttwtrca16aw.html
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[21:26:06] <Jymmm> Are these 115V wire fed welders worth a damn?
[21:26:25] <Jymmm> (no gas)
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[21:35:08] <roycroft> yes to 115v welders
[21:35:12] <roycroft> but not to gasless ones
[21:35:53] <roycroft> no to, rather
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[21:45:38] <Sync> http://sync-hv.de/autowagens/cao/crack.jpg zeeshan-lab / PetefromTn_ should I be worried? :D
[21:50:16] <malcom2073> It'll buff out
[21:51:35] <PetefromTn_> looks like some bolts?
[21:51:54] <Sync> with a crack running through them
[21:52:04] <Sync> rear axle brake adapter mounting bolts
[21:52:16] <PetefromTn_> I thought that was a seam LOL
[21:52:18] <Sync> 10.9 high tensile
[21:52:26] <Sync> put dye penetrant on them
[21:52:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah you're screwed
[21:52:29] <Sync> they are cracked
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[21:52:47] <Sync> fucking new from the mitsu dealer
[21:53:13] <PetefromTn_> how the hell?
[21:54:27] <Deejay> gn8
[21:54:36] <XXCoder> stress by cooling?
[21:54:43] <XXCoder> dunno as it should not happen
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[21:55:46] <Sync> I'm trying to figure out who to contact about that
[21:55:57] <Sync> XXCoder: yes, classic quench cracking
[21:56:09] <XXCoder> contact company you bought it from?
[21:56:25] <Sync> well, I got them from my local mitsu dealer
[21:56:37] <PetefromTn_> Woohoo I just received my new toolholders and inserts for the lathe
[21:56:40] <Sync> and they will have no fucking idea if that is bad
[21:57:05] <XXCoder> just tell em cracks are no-no and you want exchange
[21:57:43] <Sync> sure, but they won't escalate that to engineering
[21:58:25] <PetefromTn_> why would they need to you just need some unbroken bolts
[21:59:04] <XXCoder> that and if they dont have system to check for flaws its their problem not yours
[22:00:14] <Sync> well, sure
[22:00:35] <Sync> but I'd like to at least inform some kind of meaningful place that they are using crappy hardware
[22:00:42] <Sync> although they probably know that already
[22:01:17] <PetefromTn_> Oh and I just received the 24 pin 24v DC to DC power supply for my PC build in the lathe today about a week or so since I ordered it. WAY faster than it was supposed to get here LOL
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[22:13:17] <malcom2073> What'd you get, a m2atx?
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[22:22:16] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/301047784739?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[22:24:59] <PetefromTn_> it looks pretty good I think
[22:30:29] <malcom2073> Ah nice
[22:31:13] <gonzo_> eve peeps
[22:31:24] <gonzo_> quick hm2 mesa question
[22:31:53] <gonzo_> on the servo outpute. what freq does the pwm run at?
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[23:51:17] <_methods> PetefromTn_: what torch you got on your tig rig?
[23:56:01] <PetefromTn_> _methods I use a Weldcraft WP17F flex head air cooled torch
[23:57:02] <Tom_itx> _methods where do i find units??
[23:57:05] <Tom_itx> i forgot :)
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[23:58:52] <Tom_itx> nm...
[23:59:33] <_methods> tools document properties
[23:59:34] <_methods> units
[23:59:36] <_methods> i believe
