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[00:00:09] <malcom2073> I didn't put it on it, but when I got that machine I tried a couple times to upgrade and gave up :P
[00:00:32] <Tom_itx> _methods around?
[00:01:01] <andypugh> jthornton: Did you manage to persuade the machine to attempt to boot off the stick?
[00:01:02] <Tom_itx> pretty sure i installed from a stick once
[00:01:28] <jthornton> I did but it went to the debian wheezy and didn't boot from the usb
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[00:03:05] <jthornton> time to put on my chef hat... see you guys later
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[00:48:04] <zeeshan> i tried lifting a breaker at work today for fun
[00:48:08] <zeeshan> couldn't lift it :[
[00:48:21] <zeeshan> something about big breakers make me giggle inside
[00:48:27] <zeeshan> so used to dinky ones
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[00:54:32] <PetefromTn_> Evening folks
[00:55:53] <Tom_itx> how's it goin?
[00:56:11] <PetefromTn_> pretty good actualy how are you?
[00:56:28] <Tom_itx> boring task of setting up a hdd
[00:56:41] <PetefromTn_> I gotta do that soon ;)
[00:56:59] <Tom_itx> you could image one
[00:57:02] <Tom_itx> for your lathe
[00:57:38] <PetefromTn_> my wife took me out to Olive garden tonight for a nice meal. They have a veterans day celebration there. I am STUFFED!!
[00:57:54] <Tom_itx> one of our favorite places
[00:57:54] <PetefromTn_> you mean image the one on the Cinci?
[00:58:04] <Tom_itx> you could
[00:58:10] <PetefromTn_> hm
[00:58:13] <Tom_itx> then mod the setup
[00:58:20] <Tom_itx> or start a fresh one
[00:59:46] <PetefromTn_> I honestly like the ubuntu setup and it would be very similar IE both machines have the 5i25/7i77 combo and servo drives
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[01:37:14] <shaun414> Hello cncers
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[01:42:30] <PetefromTn_> hello
[01:46:07] <shaun414> hello anyone able to help me design a basic vertical pick and place?
[01:46:15] <shaun414> for picking batteries off a wall
[01:46:22] <shaun414> they will weigh 2kg though
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[02:27:36] <Tom_itx> _methods?
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[03:11:21] <R2E4> Olive Garden is amazing
[03:11:34] <PetefromTn_> heh
[03:11:44] <PetefromTn_> I definitely like Olive Garden
[03:11:58] <PetefromTn_> and I REALLY appreciated the meal tonight
[03:12:03] <R2E4> Mesa is out of 7i76 cards
[03:12:14] <PetefromTn_> but I actually prefer to go to Carabba's
[03:12:18] <R2E4> They have the 7i76E though
[03:12:34] <R2E4> Sweet tomato's is good also
[03:13:06] <PetefromTn_> I have not tried an ethernet card yet I am sure it would work awesome tho from what I hear of it.
[03:13:40] <R2E4> The 5i25 is processing the steps?
[03:15:39] <PetefromTn_> I think it is paired with a 6i25E or something but I honestly don't remember
[03:15:54] <PetefromTn_> but it would be hardware step generation yes
[03:17:04] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/LaoU2IU - gas cylinder safety
[03:18:03] <duc> Outback let me down bad tonight. Shitty blooming onion and over done ribeye
[03:18:26] <PetefromTn_> I like the bloomin' onions ;)
[03:18:53] <duc> Same but it was bad
[03:20:31] <PetefromTn_> I'm working on ordering the Z axis ballscrew for the lathe now
[03:20:37] <PetefromTn_> looking at options
[03:21:07] <PetefromTn_> its gotta be at least about a 25mm dia screw and will be ultimately over 1200mm long
[03:21:26] <PetefromTn_> looking for a high lead rate like 5 or 6
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[03:26:45] <R2E4> Mesa 7i92, anyone familiar with it? Ethernet fpga card you can connect 7i76 to it. I wonder if that would offload the steps from the CPU....
[03:29:30] <Tom_itx> that's the idea of mesa cards
[03:33:01] <R2E4> Cool,
[03:33:28] <R2E4> How big can you grow the classic ladder?
[03:35:08] <R2E4> You could theoretically put some ethernet fpga cards and bunch of 7i's, not use the motion control and have a big ass PLC....... with a control panel......
[03:35:47] <R2E4> or use a rs422 card and use 7i84's
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[03:38:23] <R2E4> 800.00 in hardware, computer, and a buch of programming and you would have a plc that would cost 10's of thousands of dollars in PLC world....
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[04:38:50] <Crom> well the K40 laser cutter is now working fine with a Arduino Mega 2560 + RAMP 1.4 + Full graphic LCD controller setup.
[04:41:05] <Crom> Still have to order a replacement 50k ohm ballast resistor. Gonna go with a 100w 2.4Kv 50Kohm resistor this time. Instead of the stock 50w, 1.2kv 50kohm resistor.
[04:43:15] <Crom> could probably go to a 70kohm resistor and be able to get a bit better control of mA through the laser tube. with the 50kohm I'm limited to 60% power thru Turnkey laser entension
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[06:16:33] <jesseg> Is P in an arc integer or real?
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[07:00:47] <jesseg> blah I'm tempted to make my gcode interpreter support multi turn helixes in a single block.
[07:01:40] <jesseg> Just specify an ending Z as well as X and Y/IJ and a number of turns and that could be real handy.
[07:02:16] <jesseg> A new ending radius would be handy too, so a spiral could be done.
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[10:27:30] <XXCoder> hhhheys
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[11:03:59] <jthornton> morning
[11:04:05] <XXCoder> hey
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[11:25:52] <jdh> anyone use git for plc code or similar stuff?
[11:26:15] <XXCoder> git I do use
[11:27:02] <jdh> it doesn't care about what's in teh files?
[11:27:12] <jthornton> github?
[11:27:22] <XXCoder> from I see, no
[11:28:11] <archivist_herron> jthornton, github is a supplier of git the version control software
[11:28:51] <jthornton> aye, I use it everyday
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[11:32:35] <_methods> you can store whatever files you want in git it doesn't discriminate
[11:32:42] <_methods> i think they even added an stl viewer
[11:33:13] <jdh> we have a local git repository.
[11:33:44] <jdh> my current version of plc version control is pretty sad and haphazard
[11:34:03] <Jymmm> ?¿
[11:34:22] <_methods> hg, svn or git would be a better way to go for sure than haphazard hehe
[11:34:49] <_methods> git if you want pretty, hg if you want nerd cred
[11:34:49] <jdh> needs to work from windows also
[11:36:49] <_methods> i think git works on like everything
[11:37:47] <_methods> pretty sure they have ios and android apps so you can edit stuff on your phone
[11:38:04] <_methods> or tablet
[11:40:17] <Jymmm> _methods: and a 2" BB8900 screen =)
[11:40:26] <_methods> hehe
[11:40:36] <_methods> someone just even made this cool thing for github
[11:40:38] <_methods> http://dangerousprototypes.com/2015/11/12/search-github-projects-by-component-find-design-references/
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[11:52:45] <malcom2073> git is pretty nice
[11:53:28] <malcom2073> github is not the supplier of git, github is a git repo hosting service
[11:56:11] <XXCoder> all free if license is open source
[11:56:25] <XXCoder> closed you have to pay
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[11:57:39] <malcom2073> free if source available
[11:57:52] <malcom2073> afaik, they don't have license restrictions
[11:57:53] <XXCoder> public accessable
[11:57:55] <malcom2073> yeah
[11:58:01] <XXCoder> yeah thats more accurate
[11:58:14] <malcom2073> Tbh, you can use any ssh accessable server as a git host, I use my web server as one
[11:58:25] <malcom2073> github is nice if you want things to be public
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[13:23:47] <jthornton> 100000000 floating point calculations took 6.195981318s
[13:25:07] <Tom_itx> you sure it wasn't 100000001 ?
[13:25:20] <mozmck> on your calculator??? that's fast!
[13:25:25] <jthornton> you might be right
[13:25:30] <malcom2073> Would be kinda silly if it did more calculations than you told it to
[13:25:57] <jthornton> a golang program to calculate Cartesian coordinates
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[13:26:09] <mozmck> ah.
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[13:26:47] <jthornton> I was just seeing how fast it could do floating point stuff
[13:27:01] <Tom_itx> new mb?
[13:27:24] <jthornton> actually I'm still using the old one that has latency issues
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[13:28:02] <jthornton> so that's 16,139 calculations per ms
[13:29:15] <Tom_itx> faster than i can calculate it in the morning
[13:29:59] <malcom2073> that's almost 14 bits per ms
[13:33:09] <MattyMatt> yay GT545 for £9. noisy tho it may have to go in the machine room
[13:34:02] <malcom2073> They did like their fan speed didn't they?
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[13:34:45] <MattyMatt> I was looking for something borderline fanless, like a GT520 or so
[13:35:15] <MattyMatt> this one is quite meaty. I should just stick it behind the TV and turn up the speakers
[13:40:04] <MattyMatt> adapt central heating to circulate cold water and bolt all my hot chips to the rads. me the winner
[13:40:25] <malcom2073> lol
[13:42:13] <MattyMatt> if I was in a hot part of australia etc, I'd consider it for real, closed loop domestic chilled water
[13:42:23] <MattyMatt> for spindles etc
[13:42:54] <MattyMatt> but this is england. if I want cool, I just have to neglect the draghtproofing for a while
[13:46:00] <MattyMatt> jthornton, is that headless?
[13:46:37] <MattyMatt> I'm pretty sure most of my latency issues are video related
[13:46:42] <JT-Shop> MattyMatt, headless?
[13:47:01] <Tom_itx> like the headless horseman
[13:47:21] <JT-Shop> lol
[13:47:24] <MattyMatt> no X, no axis, just linuxcnc running without a screen
[13:47:47] <MattyMatt> controlled by a 2nd PC running Axis on the network
[13:48:13] <JT-Shop> ah no it's just an old computer with poor latency running debian wheezy
[13:48:34] <JT-Shop> that is a golang program not LinuxCNC
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[13:49:18] <MattyMatt> yeahbut that'll enjoy the same latency under the same OS
[13:50:16] <MattyMatt> I get dreadful spikes on mine. 45000 ns now and then. I don't let it bother me :p all stepper machine
[13:51:09] <MattyMatt> you get 16 microsteps for the motors to catch up before it becomes a problem :)
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[14:17:12] <MattyMatt> it's a good job someone is :) sorry just waffling
[14:17:32] <MattyMatt> I haven't actually probed and proven my theory
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[14:29:31] <MattyMatt> yay 2nd cuda compatible card, and I've still not written a line of code
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[14:37:14] <JT-Shop> what is a cuda card?
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[15:24:55] <R2E4> oops....... I did a bad thing I think
[15:25:14] <R2E4> My develop machine is running upgrade..... Will this break linuxcnc?
[15:25:26] <R2E4> Debian Wheezy 2.6.4
[15:26:01] <cradek> you should install all packages offered, but not change from wheezy to anything not wheezy
[15:26:14] <cradek> "upgrade" can mean either thing unfortunately
[15:26:46] <R2E4> sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:27:19] <R2E4> IF it does mess it up, I'll just reinstall....
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[15:36:38] <_methods> apt-get upgrade should be fine
[15:37:23] <_methods> not sure about apt-get dist-upgrade but i think that's ok too
[15:38:23] <_methods> do-release-upgrade is definitely going to be bad
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[15:50:31] <anomynous> r2e4 isnt still back. i suppose the update didnt go ok
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[16:08:05] <_methods> oh i have joins/exits on /ignore didn't realize he left
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[16:16:04] <anomynous> i ate half a cake
[16:16:17] <anomynous> which brand carbide endmills are the best? FIGHT!
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[16:16:36] <anomynous> wb
[16:16:41] <anomynous> did the upgrade go ok?
[16:16:47] <R2E4> yeah
[16:16:55] <R2E4> no problems so far
[16:17:01] <anomynous> id freeze important packages
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[16:17:04] <anomynous> from being updated
[16:17:26] <R2E4> like?
[16:17:53] <R2E4> it upgraded to 2.6.11 from 2.6.4
[16:17:59] <anomynous> kernel and linuxcnc related stuffs ;D Then do it by hand so its not borked when i need it
[16:18:57] <R2E4> my checkout is not compiling though....
[16:20:44] <anomynous> checkout?
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[16:22:38] <R2E4> how do you fast-forward 30 commits
[16:23:15] <cradek> we make good packages and you should just let the updater update them
[16:23:57] <R2E4> ok
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[18:00:41] <shaun414> i
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[18:21:44] <OhmEye> I'm using a cnc3020 router cutting 1-4mm carbon fiber with good results and am now trying to optimize depths and feedrates to make carbide diamondcut bits last longer. I was cutting in .5mm steps and am now trying deeper steps with slower feedrate with the idea it will spread the wear on more of the bit and for less time. Is this sensible?
[18:22:21] <shaun414> hey OhmEye
[18:22:29] <OhmEye> hiya shaun414
[18:22:37] <shaun414> hows the quad
[18:22:38] <shaun414> s
[18:22:46] <OhmEye> all good. how you doing?
[18:22:56] <shaun414> good, got 2 of my own :)
[18:23:02] <shaun414> you make antennas yourself?
[18:23:08] <OhmEye> yeah
[18:23:15] <shaun414> Ha, I tried and failed
[18:24:13] <OhmEye> I'm just now redesigning to mount them on the frame differently so they get less mangled, heh
[18:24:39] <shaun414> ah
[18:24:42] <OhmEye> never made so many in so short a time since I started flying rate mode/freestyle etc
[18:24:45] <shaun414> you use a guide anywhere?
[18:24:48] <OhmEye> tired of replacing them, lol
[18:25:50] <OhmEye> Not really. I refined my jigs over time for what works for me, and just use the dimensions ibcrazy has posted, adjusting for my own SWR measurements
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[18:26:05] <shaun414> neat
[18:26:10] <shaun414> how did you make the jigs?
[18:26:10] <CP-KG7AMV> Wow, Sold that spectralight controller...
[18:26:22] <OhmEye> my jigs are 3d printed
[18:26:27] <shaun414> got an stl?
[18:27:46] <OhmEye> mostly old pics
http://pix.ohmeye.com/Hobbies/Radio and recent jigs are at
http://ohmeye.com/download/radio/antenna_jigs/latest/
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[18:28:23] <OhmEye> mostly lately I've been just making clovers on the 6lobe jig
[18:28:41] <shaun414> looks nice!, what do you dip them in
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[18:29:29] <OhmEye> haven't done any guide for the jigs. I don't dip, I just spray with krylon fusion plastic paint. Lately they aren't lasting long enough to corrode anyway, lol
[18:29:35] <shaun414> haha
[18:29:42] <OhmEye> http://pix.ohmeye.com/Hobbies/Radio/Cloverleaf-5G8/i-J9CsL2z/A
[18:29:44] <shaun414> i put good antennas on my tbs disco
[18:30:50] <OhmEye> the paint and cups lower the tuned freq about 100MHz, so I shorten the lobe wires by about 1mm to get back into tune, made a couple with near perfect SWR couple weeks ago, heh
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[18:32:33] <OhmEye> lately I'm curious how to get longer life from my bits, they pretty much are toast after cutting just one frame the way I was doing it
[18:33:31] <OhmEye> Not sure if it's better to go slower or faster feedrates when it comes to wear
[18:38:32] <_methods> what kind of cutter?
[18:38:53] <_methods> what material?
[18:39:17] <Jymmm> Please, don't be a dumbass this year...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvlHH7dX7_c
[18:39:56] <Jymmm> And DRY the turkey(s) inside and out, really.
[18:40:22] <_methods> waste of a good turkey
[18:40:37] <malcom2073> Not *really * exaggerated.
[18:40:44] <malcom2073> People really do throw frozen turkeys in
[18:41:30] <malcom2073> But yeah, fried turkey is meh
[18:41:51] <Jymmm> It's actually good, I did 6 one year
[18:42:07] <Jymmm> only takes 33 minutes per bird
[18:42:20] <_methods> you really know how to handle a turkey
[18:42:21] <_methods> lol
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[18:42:47] <_methods> Jymmm the turkey whisperer
[18:42:49] * Jymmm flips _methods the bird... now you cna too!
[18:42:53] <_methods> hahah
[18:43:04] <Jymmm> =)
[18:43:51] <_methods> smoked turkey is where it's at
[18:44:09] <OhmEye> _methods: diamondcut carbide 1.5mm and 1-4mm CF plate
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[18:44:30] <_methods> ugh CF is nasty stuff
[18:44:48] <_methods> have you tried a reguluar 2 fl carbide end mill?
[18:45:15] <_methods> those diamondburr bits never seem to get very good tool life
[18:45:30] <OhmEye> no, only diamondcut FT endmills. I've been told that's best for composites
[18:45:38] <_methods> it possibly is
[18:45:51] <_methods> waterjet
[18:46:52] <OhmEye> this is a small cnc3020 next to my 3D printers just for personal hobby cutting, so it's working great. I just want to get whatever decent life out of the bits I can
[18:47:00] <_methods> pcd but that will cost you dearly
[18:47:13] <_methods> and if you don't have a real mill it won't be rigid enough probably
[18:48:18] <OhmEye> the cost isn't bad on the bits I'm using, under $2 each so it's only about 10% of the material cost
[18:48:28] <_methods> that carbide burr is probably your best bet on that mill
[18:48:53] <OhmEye> I got the ballscrews on the router and it's pretty decent rigidity for my needs
[18:49:03] <_methods> http://www.sandvik.coromant.com/sitecollectiondocuments/downloads/global/technical%20guides/en-gb/c-2920-30.pdf
[18:49:23] <_methods> good sandvik breakdown of machining composites
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[18:49:59] <OhmEye> kk, yeah. I was cutting .5mm steps, which uses such a small amount of the bit, so I doubled the depth and halved the feedrate
[18:50:22] <OhmEye> was just asking earlier if that is sensible
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[18:50:48] <_methods> it possibly is it just depends on if your machine can handle the extra side load on the z
[18:51:34] <OhmEye> the machine can handle it easily, more than the bit can handle. 1.5mm bnits can't take a lot of side load it seems
[18:52:03] <_methods> no lol
[18:52:08] <_methods> that's teeny tiny
[18:52:46] <_methods> get a larger burrmill and you can take more cut
[18:52:52] <OhmEye> I'd like to do 1mm but too fragile
[18:53:00] <_methods> why so small?
[18:53:40] <OhmEye> well, pretty much all the features I'm cutting are 2mm and all under 3mm
[18:53:51] <_methods> yoikes
[18:53:56] <OhmEye> miniquadcopter frames
[18:54:15] <_methods> well i'm most of your linear cutting is going to be in the outer profile
[18:54:22] <_methods> use a large bit for that
[18:54:32] <_methods> then for internal feature restmill with a smaller cutter
[18:54:34] <OhmEye> how large you thinking of?
[18:54:41] <_methods> i'd go as big as i could
[18:54:48] <_methods> whatever your spindle can handle
[18:55:06] <_methods> you want to use those tiny mills as little as possible
[18:55:11] <OhmEye> spindle is 1/8 inch
[18:55:20] <_methods> yeesh
[18:55:28] <OhmEye> http://pix.ohmeye.com/Hobbies/Multirotor/OhMyna/
[18:55:31] <_methods> well i'd use a 3mm bit as much as i could then
[18:56:42] <OhmEye> interesting. would you expect 3mm to last significantly longer than 1.5mm? say 5x longer or such?
[18:57:05] <_methods> possibly if you can take more depth of cut
[18:57:36] <OhmEye> it's a pita to change tools on mine, atm I have to remove the vacuum shoe assembly etc
[18:57:47] <FAalbers> OhmEye, What is total weight without bat in that birdie ?
[18:58:00] <_methods> yeah i think most people on those little mills use pcb collars
[18:58:01] <OhmEye> hmm, I will try that though to compare
[18:58:18] <_methods> and for a machine that small why waste all that space with that dust collector shoe
[18:58:23] <_methods> just run a hose over
[18:58:37] <OhmEye> my shoe doesn't waste any space
[18:58:47] <_methods> sure looks like it
[18:59:05] <_methods> looks like you lose about 6in of travel
[18:59:14] <_methods> http://pix.ohmeye.com/Hobbies/CNC-Router/CNC3020-Dust-Control/i-qVkWhMG/A
[18:59:29] <OhmEye> no, it's all in front of the frame, no travel lost
[18:59:38] <_methods> ah ok
[18:59:49] <_methods> well still if you can't change tools
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[19:00:06] <OhmEye> I just haven't bothered to design a quick change for the shoe, heh
[19:00:14] <_methods> but either way i'd use as large of an end mill as possible
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[19:00:19] <OhmEye> It's doable but I'm lazy, lol
[19:00:24] <_methods> heheh
[19:00:44] <OhmEye> kk. I can cut 3mm deep with the 1.5, but feedrate has to be very low
[19:01:18] <OhmEye> tbh I haven't tested much to see how fast it can go so I may be well under what it can handle
[19:01:20] <_methods> i dont' think there's a real win situation when cutting CF
[19:01:25] <OhmEye> yeah
[19:01:27] <_methods> that stuff just sux
[19:01:44] <OhmEye> agreed. But nothing else like it for this application
[19:01:54] <_methods> yeah
[19:02:06] <_methods> pretty sure the carbide burr is your only option
[19:02:14] <_methods> unless you want to dump money on pcd
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[19:02:37] <_methods> but i'm guessing that machine will just snap a pcd as soon as it hits the CF
[19:02:43] <OhmEye> 10-packs of the burrs for $17-ish isn't too bad
[19:02:51] <_methods> yeah i'd just stick with that
[19:03:01] <_methods> get you a 3mm one and see how that works
[19:03:17] <OhmEye> beeing noob I just want to avoid eating bits stupidly, heh
[19:03:46] <_methods> well typically when machining you want to use the largest cutter available
[19:03:55] <_methods> and then do small features last
[19:03:56] <OhmEye> I have one 3mm, got an assortment but been buying packs of 1.5 mostly
[19:04:02] <_methods> with smaller cutters
[19:04:31] <OhmEye> kk.
[19:05:25] <OhmEye> thanks for the ideas :)
[19:05:35] <_methods> yeah np not much help though lol
[19:06:08] <_methods> but if you look at that sandvik tech sheet you can see almost all of the cutters are pcd/diamond
[19:06:24] <FAalbers> OhmEye, _methods ... where online is the best source on bit types, feed rates, etc depending on material ?
[19:06:33] <OhmEye> yeah, the cost is too high for me I think
[19:06:35] <_methods> well that depends on your budget
[19:06:50] <_methods> i buy stuff from ebay
[19:06:57] <_methods> but at work we use tool distributors
[19:07:34] <OhmEye> yeah, I'm buying from drillman on ebay
[19:08:21] <OhmEye> tbh although I did skim the web for info I've just been emulating when friends say works for them
[19:08:44] * OhmEye is lazy
[19:08:54] <FAalbers> I guess my questions get burried in current conversation :)
[19:09:09] <OhmEye> happens, heh
[19:10:12] <OhmEye> tbh I may just be lucky or my 3D printing experience started me at a better place on the learning curve, but I haven't had any difficulties cutting CF yet
[19:10:53] <_methods> ah cutting cf isn't the problem, it's what it does to your tooling
[19:11:09] <OhmEye> my results have been great and my only mistakes have been not catching design issues in prototyping and mockup, not cutting itself
[19:11:13] <_methods> really the only good way to cut it is with a waterjet
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[19:12:14] <OhmEye> yeah. some people were warning me about feedrates needing careful tuning to not burn the CF or break bits or get clean cuts
[19:13:25] <OhmEye> so far it's been easy really, and tolerant of rates with no real issues
[19:14:54] <OhmEye> So I was mainly curious if maybe I'm doing something silly and cutting too fast/slow/deep/shallow and could be wearing out bits unecessesarily fast
[19:15:20] <OhmEye> I'm pretty happy though as is, it's acceptable cost
[19:19:25] <anomynous> FAalbers, sandvik has a lot of information if you want to learn what parameter does what. How to melt your cutter or how to break it with thermal shock. What is chip thinning or burying a cutter. What is nose radius and what it has to do with feed or chip breaking or depth of cut, etc.
[19:19:36] <anomynous> tool manufactures give recommendations for cutting speeds and feeds.
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[19:24:18] <_methods> anyone got a favorite tool height presetter?
[19:24:25] <_methods> i'm getting quotes from zoller and parlec
[19:24:46] <_methods> but was just wondering if someone else was using something better
[19:24:47] <FinboySlick> Little cubes with a dial indicator?
[19:24:56] <_methods> no
[19:25:07] <_methods> real tool height presetters
[19:25:17] <FinboySlick> Big cubes with a dial indicator? ;)
[19:25:27] <_methods> hehe
[19:25:33] <_methods> http://zoller.info/en/products/presetting_measuring/vertical%20devices/smile
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[19:25:57] <_methods> gettin quotes on zoller smile and parlec 1550 and 1850
[19:25:58] <anomynous> things with a cone and a light and a crosshair to zoom for the tool cutting edge?
[19:25:59] <anomynous> ;D
[19:26:08] <FinboySlick> Nothing cube-like about these things. And there's no dial indicator!
[19:26:15] <_methods> nope
[19:26:38] <Sync> those are awesome
[19:26:48] <_methods> yeah i love the zollers
[19:26:55] <FinboySlick> _methods: That's a pretty fancy single-purpose tool.
[19:26:56] <_methods> makes setup a breeze
[19:27:02] <Sync> FinboySlick: it is not
[19:27:10] <Sync> it is the most useful tool in a cnc shop
[19:27:13] <_methods> yeah
[19:27:20] <Sync> you pop your tools in there and values plop out
[19:27:46] <FinboySlick> Does it make sure every insert is at the proper height?
[19:27:47] <Sync> I need to get me one of the heidenhain in machine tool breakage lasers
[19:27:52] <Sync> yes FinboySlick
[19:27:54] <anomynous> _methods, would it be complicated to glue rfids underneath bt-ring and use a reader to read tool data from a laptop to machining center? ;D
[19:28:02] <Sync> otherwise it would be useless
[19:28:18] <_methods> i have no idea about that lol
[19:28:27] <anomynous> wouldnt it be nice?
[19:28:34] <Sync> I think there are already solutions like that
[19:28:34] <_methods> i don't think that ring would survive long in a machine lol
[19:28:42] <anomynous> you dont use a tool, you put it away. Next time you pick it up, just read the rfid and it is measured
[19:28:46] <_methods> we're jsut a job shop
[19:29:06] <_methods> most machines now will do tool height built in
[19:29:13] <_methods> but we have older machines with no renishaw
[19:29:42] <anomynous> you still have to measure it with a ruler or something close to real height and punch in g65
[19:30:51] <Sync> _methods: expect around 40k€ with some options
[19:30:56] <anomynous> and it would allow you to have a tool library that works. Each tool would have their own compensation number thats in library. When you make a program, it would be correct
[19:30:57] <_methods> yeah
[19:30:57] <anomynous> :D
[19:31:07] <_methods> taht's about how much i think i get to spend
[19:31:26] <_methods> i kinda figured around $40-60k
[19:31:34] <Sync> anomynous: or you just engrave numbers and load at the right station ;)
[19:31:42] <anomynous> that too ;)
[19:31:46] <Sync> and make sure nobody takes the head off the holder
[19:31:53] <FinboySlick> anomynous: Do you really need an rfid for that though? So long as all your tools have unique numbers, that would work.
[19:32:52] <anomynous> well, if the tool db is on network machine, machines could share tools.
[19:33:25] <FinboySlick> anomynous: Still, you only need a single number to link the tool to its db entry.
[19:33:32] <anomynous> sure
[19:33:46] <anomynous> use excel file to track used and unused numbers?
[19:33:54] <anomynous> or something
[19:34:03] <FinboySlick> anomynous: Well, you already have a database.
[19:34:09] <anomynous> that, then
[19:34:10] <anomynous> ;D
[19:34:46] <anomynous> or print tool data to bar code and attach some way to tool?
[19:35:00] <anomynous> but no preset compensation number
[19:35:06] <anomynous> and typing it by hand can cause an error
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[19:35:48] <Sync> yeah it is common to laser etch the holders
[19:36:28] <anomynous> yeah but would it be possible to use tool measurement from one machine to another?
[19:36:43] <anomynous> like, have the tool data in the machine and load it to cnc machine
[19:37:48] <Sync> well, that depends
[19:37:56] <Sync> if you have measured the holders offset in every machine
[19:38:05] <Sync> you can just add that to the highest insert
[19:38:10] <FinboySlick> Holy crap:
http://zoller.info/en/products/presetting_measuring/special_solutions/gemini
[19:38:13] <Sync> and every machine gets correct data
[19:38:44] <FinboySlick> What a cutter.
[19:39:14] <Sync> that's a pretty small one
[19:39:26] <Sync> there are much larger ones for ship engines
[19:40:13] <anomynous> if theres cutting parameters and geometries and cam post works and working zero is right, then is there a reason not to trust cam simulation?
[19:41:06] <anomynous> make a program and push green button and walk for other things? ;D
[19:41:54] <Sync> you'd need to have a program for every machine
[19:41:59] <Sync> that way you can just have n machines
[19:42:04] <Sync> feed them one program
[19:42:10] <Sync> and have them produce actual parts
[19:42:29] <Sync> and if a tool breaks, you just swap in the next one and it goes on
[19:42:35] <Erant> Anybody here have experience working HDPE?
[19:42:37] <anomynous> but thats kinda hard if you do series of a few pieces. And instead of watching a part finish, you could make the next program meanwhile ;D
[19:42:42] <anomynous> and better spindle uptime
[19:42:43] <anomynous> ;D
[19:43:05] <Sync> if you are just making a few parts, yes
[19:43:12] <Sync> but even in a small series there is a huge benefit
[19:43:24] <Erant> I'm making my servo drive enclosures out of the stuff ('cuz, cheap) and I'm probably going to end up hogging it out of a solid piece. ('cuz, cheap)
[19:43:51] <Erant> But that's a lot of material and fswizard is failing me a little here.
[19:43:52] <Sync> a friend of mine has small runs from 10-100 parts per run and he said the presetter has already paid for itself
[19:45:26] <Erant> I was hoping to take my 1/2" 2 flute and go to town with like a .25 - .5" DOC with full WOC.
[19:46:15] <Erant> But I'm afraid I'm going to clog shit up really fast, or worse, melt the material.
[19:47:24] <_methods> you can cut as fast as your machine will go
[19:47:49] <_methods> you really need a high speed spindle and high feedrate machine for hdpe
[19:48:07] <_methods> 10000+rpm and as fast as you can go feedrate
[19:48:08] <Erant> Mine maxes out at 5k
[19:48:11] <Erant> Damn.
[19:48:12] <_methods> yeah that sux
[19:48:19] <_methods> you'll just have to deal with it
[19:48:33] <_methods> coolant flood and roll with it
[19:48:46] <Erant> Sounds like it's more of a router material.
[19:48:48] <_methods> we do a lot of hdpe here
[19:48:50] <Erant> Rather than a mill
[19:48:59] <_methods> yeah a router would work well
[19:49:08] <SpeedEvil> Router template and guide bearing
[19:49:16] <SpeedEvil> Or bushing
[19:49:23] <_methods> you could do that also
[19:49:28] <_methods> i've never tried hand routing it
[19:49:38] <_methods> but it machines easily
[19:49:41] <Erant> Yeah, that's not a horrible idea.
[19:49:42] <_methods> lathe is another story
[19:49:47] <_methods> it's a stringy nightmare
[19:50:05] <_methods> won't break a chip to save your life
[19:50:14] * SpeedEvil imagines a chip roller.
[19:50:27] <SpeedEvil> Which grabs the chip and rolls it up for use on 3d printers.
[19:50:45] <_methods> you can print with hdpe?
[19:50:49] <Erant> Hehe. I think I'm just going to set it to 5k and like 20-30ipm.
[19:51:11] <_methods> yeah the limit on feed will be how much clamp you can get on it
[19:51:17] <_methods> taht stuff likes to pop out of the vise
[19:51:26] <Erant> I'm bolting it to the table
[19:51:37] <_methods> make sure you got it clamped good and you can cut as fast as you want almost
[19:51:51] <_methods> just watch your chip load at that low spindle rpm
[19:52:00] <_methods> that will be your limit
[19:52:07] <Erant> Yeah, will do.
[19:52:26] <CaptHindsight> https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/digital-stepper-motor-driver/3-axis-dsp-based-digital-stepper-driver-max-60-vdc-6-0a-mx3660-duplicate anyone have success with this? It the 3-axis all in on stepper driver with analog out for a spindle
[19:53:09] <_methods> never tried that oen
[19:53:42] <_methods> looks cool though
[19:53:52] <_methods> http://www.leadshine.com/productdetail.aspx?type=products&category=accessories&producttype=multiple-axis-stepper-drives&series=MX&model=MX3660
[19:55:33] <CaptHindsight> I'm not sure if Keling/automation technologies private labels from Leadshine or not
[19:55:45] <CaptHindsight> there are a few knockoffs in China
[19:56:04] <CaptHindsight> he really seems to cater to the Mach users
[19:56:25] <_methods> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/automation-technology-products/201308-mx3660.html
[19:56:41] <_methods> couple people on there using em
[19:58:15] <CaptHindsight> I order things from him since he's a short drive but not for anything critical
[19:58:53] <_methods> looks like a decent deal for $290
[19:59:09] <_methods> nice all in one
[19:59:21] <CaptHindsight> I often have to swap bearings when I pick up since they have detents or make crunchy sounds when moved
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[19:59:58] <_methods> i thought that was a feature of chinese ballscrews
[20:00:15] <CaptHindsight> the detents are like indexes
[20:04:04] <CaptHindsight> the 4-axis is $339.95
[20:04:51] <CaptHindsight> MX4660
[20:05:25] <CaptHindsight> the mx3660 3-axis has dropped to $280
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[20:19:15] <_methods> did they change esxi to horizons now?
[20:19:38] <_methods> why does vmware insist on changing the names of all their products every other year
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[20:24:46] <Tom_itx> keeps you on your toes
[20:26:20] <_methods> keeps me confused
[20:26:36] <_methods> and i spend most of my day that way already lol
[20:36:05] <shaun414> hi
[20:39:26] <XXCoder> _methods: because they love you
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[20:51:41] <XXCoder> https://blog.codinghorror.com/please-dont-steal-my-focus/
[20:51:48] <XXCoder> its still a goddamn problem
[20:52:01] <XXCoder> its a problem in 1995 and still a problem in 2015
[20:53:15] <DaViruz> best part is when you're just about to hit enter
[20:53:29] <DaViruz> and some stupid dialog pops up with an unwanted default button
[20:53:58] <XXCoder> exactly
[20:54:07] <DaViruz> oh i read it now.
[20:54:21] <shaun414> sup
[20:54:44] <XXCoder> I finally found xfce setting to disable it. lets see if update manager respects it.
[20:55:38] <DaViruz> quick fix: use a non multitasking OS
[20:56:02] <XXCoder> lol
[20:56:13] <DaViruz> speaking of, one thing that really ticks me off with my iphone
[20:56:26] <DaViruz> is that it decides to check for mail while i'm talking on it
[20:56:45] <DaViruz> and makes the most annoying sound straight in my ear because i have a new one
[20:57:33] <DaViruz> it sometimes feels like being 10 seconds into a call triggers a mail check..
[20:58:39] <XXCoder> fun
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[21:14:13] <XXCoder> very safe
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/7012190720/h1B0441F1/
[21:16:26] <DaViruz> doesn't look too good, but i don't really see that it could be a problem
[21:17:14] <XXCoder> probably not as long as its sealed properly but I'd be nervious and aim sparks elsewhere lol
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[21:32:21] <Crom> heh
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[22:07:32] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:37:10] <JT-Shop> lol I had to use my calipers to sort my biscuits
[22:37:36] <SpeedEvil> A little OCD. I just eat them.
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[22:38:18] <andypugh> https://youtu.be/xIxgPEVjxiA
[22:38:35] <JT-Shop> some were too thick to fit the slot
[22:39:29] <SpeedEvil> Chew more.
[22:39:40] <JT-Shop> using pre-railroad time I've determined it is 5 o'clock here
[22:40:04] <rob_h> you could aways mill them down to size ;)
[22:40:07] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: :)
[22:40:10] <SpeedEvil> rob_h: see above
[22:40:30] <rob_h> not been on long sorry
[22:40:36] <JT-Shop> well I was sanding all the fingerprints off trying to skinny them up
[22:40:39] <rob_h> oh the youtube
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[22:42:16] <JT-Shop> I think I just need to toss the biscuits in the fire come winter and get some good ones
[22:42:39] <JT-Shop> I'm liking this raid NAS box
[22:42:48] <SpeedEvil> Are they compressed biscuits?
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[22:51:50] <Roguish> hey JT-Shop: what NAS did you get? I'm shopping for one
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[22:56:12] <JT-Shop> SpeedEvil, yes
[22:56:50] <JT-Shop> Roguish,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2525288 plus a second drive
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[22:57:23] <Roguish> ok, a NetGear. did you get the 'red' discs too?
[22:57:34] <JT-Shop> yea
[22:57:48] <JT-Shop> the combo came with one and I ordered another one
[22:58:06] <Roguish> that's pretty much what I'm looking at doing. all important files on it, and hide it in the attic or somewhere
[22:58:36] <JT-Shop> who are you hiding it from?
[22:58:55] <JT-Shop> I really don't think you want that in the attic in the summer
[22:59:33] <Roguish> just in case someone comes in uninvited. i have a vicodan addict neighbor.... who I know has ventured around the neighborhood in the past.
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[23:01:39] <JT-Shop> yuck, in that case put it in a gun safe that is bolted to the floor with c4 and trip wires
[23:02:10] <Roguish> yeah, pretty much.
[23:03:44] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what ver SW are you using?
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[23:04:14] <JT-Shop> I have 15 but don't use it
[23:04:17] <JT-Shop> I use 14
[23:05:14] <SpeedEvil> UPS + encryption requiring a power on password
[23:05:24] <Tom_itx> 14 was the last 32bit wasn't it?
[23:05:45] <JT-Shop> I don't know
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[23:10:37] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/3nOi0yZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7tAXrWw.jpg Woohoo new tooling is arriving for the lathe!!
[23:11:14] <rob_h> santa come early there
[23:11:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah right LOL
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[23:20:38] <PetefromTn_> I have a bunch more on their way
[23:20:48] <PetefromTn_> I really need to get this lathe up and running
[23:20:57] <PetefromTn_> my goal right now is to have it working by Christmas
[23:23:16] <PetefromTn_> rob_h do you think that is a decent holder?
[23:25:13] <JT-Shop> I'd look but I hate the ads on imgur
[23:25:23] <PetefromTn_> ads?
[23:25:54] <JT-Shop> doesn't have ads on the side? or am I confused about it
[23:26:02] <PetefromTn_> when I click on either of those links I just get a picture
[23:26:17] <PetefromTn_> but I do have an active adblocker installed
[23:26:34] <JT-Shop> must be a direct link then
[23:26:43] <JT-Shop> nice tool
[23:26:49] <malcom2073> JT-Shop: You're confused
[23:27:09] <JT-Shop> it won't be the last time lol
[23:27:11] <malcom2073> If you're seeing ads on imgur, you likely have malware or browser toolbars :P
[23:27:19] <rob_h> kennametal is good yea at least made from proper metal unlike some cheap rubish
[23:27:23] <malcom2073> Hmm, no it seems there is an ad on it now
[23:27:26] <malcom2073> how long has that been there?
[23:27:26] <SpeedEvil> IMGUR has ads
[23:27:27] <PetefromTn_> I am liking it should work great for tight areas I hope
[23:27:31] <rob_h> put a file on it and see if proper hard.. cheap ones are not
[23:27:54] <SpeedEvil> http://eu.banggood.com/Wholesale-Warehouse-Thicken-Mens-Winter-Polar-Fleece-Lining-Windproof-Cargo-Pants-wp-Uk-959719.html?currency=GBP&createTmp=1&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Clf-dm-cart-txt&utm_content=winnie&gclid=CPa6j86EjMkCFYTnGwodf5gOwQ
[23:27:56] <PetefromTn_> it LOOKS hardened and ground but I will check it
[23:28:04] <SpeedEvil> I have no idea why I'm being offered that ad
[23:28:06] <JT-Shop> I have to mill some of mine down to fit the 1/2" toll holders on the CHNC
[23:28:12] <PetefromTn_> I got it with ten inserts and the one in the holder
[23:28:31] <PetefromTn_> I have done that before with holders
[23:28:40] <PetefromTn_> I had to grind it down tho
[23:28:44] <JT-Shop> I use imagebin.ca to share images
[23:28:58] <rob_h> yea like our sliding head its 10mm shanks. and 10 shank tooling is abit pain
[23:29:12] <rob_h> plus inserts tend to be small unlike a 12 or 16 holder
[23:29:12] <PetefromTn_> this is a 3/4 holder
[23:29:49] <rob_h> started using a lot of walter/titex stuff now only becasue deals we get direct from them
[23:29:50] <PetefromTn_> I actually had a similar hand ground tool that I made I am curious to see how this one works
[23:30:00] <PetefromTn_> nice
[23:30:09] <PetefromTn_> I have a gooving/profiling tool coming
[23:30:15] <PetefromTn_> and a nice turning tool.
[23:30:23] <PetefromTn_> same guy I bought them all from
[23:30:27] <JT-Shop> I think only the parting tool had to be machined, the only one that would part 1 5/8 was a 1" shank
[23:30:30] <rob_h> from germany to the UK next day before 9am free delivery.. cant complain on that
[23:31:09] <rob_h> thats a long way to part :)
[23:31:27] <JT-Shop> usually there is a hole in it :)
[23:31:32] <JT-Shop> but you never know
[23:31:34] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/VlPkFpT
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[23:31:44] <rob_h> yea have to go to blade to part long ways in
[23:31:46] <PetefromTn_> I also bought that bottom tool with a bunch of inserts
[23:32:08] <PetefromTn_> its apparently an Iscar
[23:32:56] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/zdfQWao I also bought this tool grooving profiling iscar
[23:33:03] <JT-Shop> goodnight
[23:33:11] <PetefromTn_> gn8 JT
[23:33:20] <rob_h> ni
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[23:34:01] <rob_h> i always say get what you can get inserts for nice and easy localy etc
[23:34:05] <R2E4> Pete: stop buying stuff.... Got to get that machine working....lol
[23:34:14] <rob_h> if its a ISO standard insert at least most places have one
[23:34:40] <PetefromTn_> they should be available
[23:34:52] <PetefromTn_> I am trying man but I still need some stuff
[23:35:00] <PetefromTn_> I need to source a quality ballscrew for the Z
[23:35:10] <rob_h> o dear
[23:35:34] <PetefromTn_> already found a couple different options
[23:35:35] <rob_h> need ends machined also then?
[23:35:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have machined ballscrews before its not that bad
[23:36:17] <_methods> carbide baby
[23:36:27] <PetefromTn_> other than that and the 15hp vfd I have everything here already for the lathe
[23:36:41] <rob_h> yea not very hard screws only induction on top
[23:36:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah I actually just ground thru the hardened layer
[23:36:52] <PetefromTn_> then machined with carbide
[23:36:53] <rob_h> we machiend our last one for X in lathe
[23:37:00] <PetefromTn_> only one problem
[23:37:02] <rob_h> that was a Class 3
[23:37:09] <PetefromTn_> I don't have a lathe anymore :D
[23:37:17] <rob_h> what i throught lo
[23:37:21] <PetefromTn_> C3 nice
[23:37:43] <PetefromTn_> I am looking at probably a C5 ground screw
[23:37:56] <rob_h> yea Zs tend to be lesser class
[23:37:59] <PetefromTn_> if I can find a good deal on a C3 I would get it
[23:38:07] <gonzo_nb> when I turned the ends of my 24mm ballscrews, even with carbide, I was striking fire
[23:38:38] <PetefromTn_> I will probably get either a 25 or 32mm screw whatever I can get a good deal on
[23:39:30] <rob_h> yea nut tneds to be costly.. and screw i found was not bad per 100mm in cost when think what they do to make it
[23:40:03] <PetefromTn_> I'm probably looking at $5-700 for the screw/nut from what I am seeing
[23:40:57] <rob_h> i think when i asked for 1.5m screw and single preload nut C4 i think was £900 all in
[23:41:30] <PetefromTn_> I need about 1200mm
[23:42:00] <rob_h> sometimes see new screw and nuts on ebay from service centers etc
[23:42:08] <PetefromTn_> hoe does a single preload nut work?
[23:42:21] <rob_h> they pick balls of sizes to load it
[23:42:26] <rob_h> unlike double, they shim
[23:42:52] <PetefromTn_> thats what I thought I would prefer a double preloaded setup
[23:42:53] <rob_h> just we did not have space to get double nut in.. and old screw as single also
[23:43:04] <PetefromTn_> ah ok
[23:43:21] <PetefromTn_> there is plenty of room on this Z setup under the carriage
[23:43:21] <Sync> yeah, usually a single nut will do
[23:43:52] <rob_h> plus we had internal citculation thats how tight space was
[23:43:57] <PetefromTn_> when I built my RF45CNC I built my own preloaded double ballnut setup on each screw
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[23:44:16] <Sync> mine came with singlenut preloaded screws
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[23:44:23] <Sync> chinese, but they are pretty okay
[23:44:35] <PetefromTn_> what kinda backlash are you seeing?
[23:44:41] <R2E4> Pete: You had a Rong FU?
[23:44:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah that was my first CNC
[23:44:53] <PetefromTn_> an RF45
[23:45:03] <PetefromTn_> I have a build thread about it on CNCzone
[23:45:11] <R2E4> hahaha, I had one also
[23:45:21] <PetefromTn_> its a fun little mill not bad really
[23:45:23] <Sync> 0 PetefromTn_
[23:46:07] <R2E4> My lego set had less backlash.....lol
[23:46:32] <PetefromTn_> Sync what kind of machine is it?
[23:46:39] <Sync> a rf45
[23:46:48] <PetefromTn_> ah heh
[23:46:55] <Sync> did you scrape the z axis mount?
[23:47:04] <Sync> and add a plate on the huge cutout in the back?
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[23:47:22] <Sync> that adds alot of rigidity
[23:47:28] <PetefromTn_> you mean the motor mount on top?
[23:47:57] <Sync> nope
[23:48:01] <Sync> where the control cabinet is
[23:48:06] <Sync> the casting is open there on mine
[23:48:39] <Sync> and scraping the z axis mount to the xy base adds a lot of rigidity too
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[23:50:11] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/67417-cnc.html
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[23:50:36] <Sync> but for what it is it is a pretty neat machine
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[23:51:20] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I had one ;) mine was kind of a hybrid Rf45/IH mill. it was an early Lathemaster model that had the same IH head and Z ring
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[23:53:28] <zeeshan> hi
[23:53:50] <PetefromTn_> hi
[23:53:58] <Sync> I like how you can just rest the head on the table to take shit off
[23:54:51] <zeeshan> man
[23:54:56] <zeeshan> i wanted this machine so bad
[23:55:00] <zeeshan> but i dont have the space
[23:55:04] <zeeshan> so my friend is buying it
[23:55:12] <zeeshan> for his eng business
[23:55:44] <zeeshan> http://www.metec-cnc.com/images/maschinen/neu/060-Deckel-FP-50.jpg
[23:56:04] <Sync> just put it in your driveway
[23:56:06] <PetefromTn_> woah thats a big sucker
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[23:57:07] <zeeshan> x travel 47" y 20", z 22" , 450ipm rapids for all 3 axis, 6000 rpm spindle, 40 position chain type tool changer
[23:57:15] <zeeshan> 15000lb
[23:57:25] <zeeshan> it's a monster!!
[23:57:31] <zeeshan> we're looking at it tomorrow
[23:57:35] <zeeshan> he wants me to convert it for him
[23:57:39] <PetefromTn_> 47 is nice
[23:57:54] <zeeshan> and ofcourse its horizontal+vertical in one
[23:57:59] <zeeshan> typical euro style cnc
[23:58:05] <PetefromTn_> you better make some cash if you do that..
[23:58:48] <Sync> gotta do the lathe first
[23:59:08] <zeeshan> he wants me to do it around feb 1st
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[23:59:16] <zeeshan> i dont think ill get lathe done by then
[23:59:32] <Sync> pfft, your contract is up in dec
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[23:59:34] <Sync> so you got time
[23:59:42] <zeeshan> ill prolly have another job
[23:59:44] <zeeshan> been interviewing a lot
[23:59:49] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: 47*20*22 - you don't need a house, just curl up on the bed.
