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[00:00:01] <_methods> do you have a mille?
[00:00:03] <_methods> mill?
[00:00:13] <McBride36> not for a week lol
[00:00:17] <_methods> ahh ok
[00:00:20] <McBride36> same guy who has the arbor press has the mill
[00:00:30] <McBride36> been learning on his stuff and i bought the lathe for myself
[00:01:29] <_methods> i don't know how well that lathe will react with all that leadscrew in the chuck
[00:02:08] <_methods> if the lathe is having issues turning steel you can just use a file
[00:02:14] <_methods> just make sure you have a handle on your file
[00:02:24] <McBride36> should be able to turn steel
[00:02:45] <Tom_itx> if i drew a SW in metric will the dims switch if i switch the units to inch?
[00:02:53] <_methods> yes
[00:03:02] <_methods> well they'll just become inch
[00:03:05] <Tom_itx> good. i didn't wanna redraw it :D
[00:03:06] <_methods> if that's what you mean
[00:03:11] <Tom_itx> xactly
[00:03:28] <_methods> hold on did you put inch numbers into a metric drawing?
[00:03:35] <Tom_itx> will associated files switch as well or do i need to do them each?
[00:03:38] <Tom_itx> no
[00:03:47] <Tom_itx> i started units as metric
[00:03:52] <_methods> ah cool
[00:03:56] <_methods> yeah then you're good to go
[00:03:57] <Tom_itx> wanna switch to inch
[00:04:01] <_methods> you can just switch to inch
[00:04:05] <Tom_itx> great
[00:04:26] <_methods> document properties>units>ips
[00:04:36] <_methods> i believe
[00:04:58] <Tom_itx> maybe on newer vers :)
[00:05:08] <Tom_itx> this thing is an antique
[00:05:18] <_methods> oh yeah you're using sw2004?
[00:05:23] <Tom_itx> yeah
[00:05:35] <_methods> i can't remember where units are in that lol
[00:05:36] <Tom_itx> most everything is there
[00:05:41] <Tom_itx> i can find em
[00:06:16] <Tom_itx> tools->options->document properties
[00:06:22] <_methods> ahh
[00:09:26] <R2E4> I have servo drives with feedback and output going to LinuxCNC. I know I asked this before but, How would I deal with the drives trying to control the motors and linuxCNC also?
[00:15:08] <jthornton> the drives output g code?
[00:15:10] <PetefromTn_> Cool I just got some iscar lathe holders with inserts for a good price on Facebook
[00:15:19] <jthornton> nice
[00:15:28] <PetefromTn_> I also got a grooving profiling tool with inserts too
[00:17:19] <jthornton> I finished changing all the rotten OSB on the garage so ready to put siding up there but rain tomorrow
[00:17:27] <jthornton> so I'll work on the inside part
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[00:22:52] <R2E4> no, the drives have encoder output and that goes into 7i77 encoder input
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[00:27:40] <tjb1> jthornton, how goes things?
[00:29:16] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 I am not understanding your question that is how most 7i77 servo setups work to my understanding
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[00:39:08] <jthornton> tjb1, trying to get the siding up on the garage/shop finally
[00:39:19] <jthornton> getting close to finishing
[00:39:53] <KimK_laptop> R2E4: If your drive puts out a simulated encoder signal, then use that. The drive/motor pair may use resolvers or encoders internally, don't worry about it.
[00:39:56] <tjb1> still involved with printers?
[00:40:33] <jthornton> on the back burner atm
[00:40:48] <tjb1> I threw mine off the stove lol
[00:41:16] <MattyMatt> mine becomes a stove, with a match
[00:42:28] <MattyMatt> if you make a DLS head, does that count as reprap or cnc?
[00:42:40] * jthornton goes back to the orange wings
[00:42:46] <tjb1> What's DLS?
[00:42:52] <tjb1> something laser sintering?
[00:43:08] <MattyMatt> direct laser sintering. blowing metal powder into the melt pool
[00:43:57] <MattyMatt> or delrin powder, is the first test I'd do with a 2W laser etc
[00:44:32] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: That depends: If it annoys the CNC guys, it counts as reprap :P
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[00:45:39] <MattyMatt> with care, it should annoy both :) eventually they'll need to share their gcode interpreter
[00:46:20] <MattyMatt> this is why I still want to make a linuxcnc printer work, even tho smoothie is more immediate benefit
[00:46:53] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: I have a linuxcnc printer working
[00:47:00] <malcom2073> Well... it's machine kit now, but it used to be linuxcnc :P
[00:47:09] <MattyMatt> neato
[00:47:17] <Crom> I'm actually thinking bout setting up a MKS board to run the 3040 at the space
[00:47:34] <Crom> get somemore 6600 driver boards
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[00:48:07] <malcom2073> Smoothie doesn't do high speed high mass movement well, so I had to go linuxcnc heh
[00:49:10] <MattyMatt> I put a parport on a mega, so I could use the same 4 axis 6560, but on sprinter :)
[00:49:34] <malcom2073> Nice heh
[00:49:55] <MattyMatt> Crom, how are the 6600? I've got a bunch of them but haven't upgraded yet
[00:50:23] <malcom2073> I have a set of 6600's, they're not bad, zero mid range resonance canceling... but otherwise fine :-D
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[00:54:09] <MattyMatt> belt should help on that, but worth bearing in mind
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[00:55:33] <R2E4> ok thanks. KimK
[00:56:06] <R2E4> Pete, the servo encoders go into the drive, then simulated or whatever out of the drive I wired into LinuxCNC.
[00:56:36] <R2E4> The drive is doing FB correction also, so I was wondering if I would see any aspects of that when tuning for LinuxCNC.
[00:57:07] <R2E4> PetefromTn: My VM40 VMC My encoders go directly to LinuxCNC not to the drives.
[01:00:46] <PetefromTn_> thats interesting. On my CIncinatti the drives accept the encoders lines from the motors and output the power to drive the motors and the drives encoder outputs go back to the 7i77 the new DMM servos and drives I have here work the same way that I am aware of
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[01:11:40] <Crom> I haven't really got to use them yet, however, I just like them lots better than the 6560
[01:13:15] <Crom> I'm thinking of making a mini board to plug into a a4988 port and port the signals out to a 6600/6560 board
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[01:15:23] <_methods> they got mr burns to be a moderator for the rep debates lol
[01:17:16] <SpeedEvil> Excellent
[01:20:15] <Crom> YEA!!!! Ikea had some E17 intermediate base 400 lumen LED spots PAR-20's for $8, so I can relamp my Par-20's with decent LED's
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[01:23:37] <R2E4> My drives are huge Sanyo-Denki...... and theirs no encoder input.
[01:24:17] <R2E4> That router I am doing have the drives like yours, the encoders go into the drives and they output to LinuxCNC
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[01:25:41] <R2E4> The problem I was having for two days got regulated when I found an analog output wire not connected on one side.
[01:26:02] <R2E4> I'm sure a seasoned veteran would have found that in blink..... Took me two days....lol
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[01:31:14] <PetefromTn_> man I need to find me a cheap surface grinder
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[01:37:36] <Crom> how tight does it have to be?
[01:38:29] <PetefromTn_> SUPA tight
[01:39:45] <Crom> inland empire craigslist had one for not that much, kinda rusty though been sitting outside
[01:40:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah thats a bit of a drive from tennessee ;)
[01:40:22] <mozmck> I have one that needs spindle bearings.
[01:40:31] <PetefromTn_> there are a few on local craigslist but most are looking pretty shabby and they want a fortune for em.
[01:41:07] <Crom> a bit
[01:41:08] <mozmck> K.O. lee, and has a DRO with it.
[01:41:43] <Crom> abom79 just got one..
[01:41:44] <PetefromTn_> huh never seen a DRO on a surface grinder
[01:41:58] <Crom> he's closer... Pensecolo, FL
[01:42:09] <PetefromTn_> aah
[01:42:23] <PetefromTn_> I am sure I will find one locally at some point
[01:42:37] <PetefromTn_> right now I need to buy that damn VFD for my CNC lathe
[01:42:54] <PetefromTn_> wish they were not so expensvie
[01:42:56] <PetefromTn_> sive
[01:42:58] <mozmck> PetefromTn_: I'm near Dallas, and I'd sell it pretty cheap if you're interested.
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[01:44:07] <PetefromTn_> well I might be for the right price but that is very far away again and shipping it here is gonna cost some cash. what size is it?
[01:44:31] <PetefromTn_> have you checked on pricing for replacement bearings?
[01:46:12] <mozmck> No, I haven't checked - I should probably do that.
[01:46:30] <mozmck> The guy I got it from said he had bought new bearings but could not find them.
[01:48:12] <R2E4> Theres one here a surface grinder. Extrusion saw and a huge DO-ALL bandsaw, the guy wants 1500 for it.
[01:48:15] <R2E4> 1000
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[01:51:33] <Jymmm> _methods: I used an angle grinder, cutoff blade, sawzall, and grinding wheel =)
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[01:53:51] <duc> Petefromtn_. Where in tn are you
[01:55:45] <PetefromTn_> East Tennessee why?
[01:57:30] <duc> Just curious. Nothing in nashville?
[01:59:58] <PetefromTn_> Like I said I am sure I will find one locally. there are several around here for sale currently tough part is finding one that is not worn out for a reasonable price
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[02:02:00] <duc> Have you seen this one
[02:02:03] <duc> http://huntsville.craigslist.org/tls/5287046644.html
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[02:02:40] <PetefromTn_> hey that is a nice one and already single phase
[02:04:17] <duc> And wheels down low. Similar to what I have
[02:09:45] <PetefromTn_> wheels down low makes it more comfortable to use huh
[02:11:31] <duc> Hell yes. Few at work have the z wheel about shoulder height. That sucks
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[02:12:40] <PetefromTn_> I don't have much experience with surface grinders but I have run then on occasion at work. Sure come in handy sometimes especially if you have rotary fixtures etc.
[02:14:17] <Tom_itx> _methods
[02:16:10] <duc> I'm the same. Know enough to be dangerous
[02:17:04] <PetefromTn_> if all goes well I should be able to buy the Z axis drive for my CNC lathe build in a week or two here and at that point I will have basically everything needed to complete the machine.
[02:17:24] <PetefromTn_> just bought a bunch of tool holders and a bunch of the electronics parts and PC parts are already here
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[02:19:32] <PetefromTn_> once its operational I will probably be spending some cash for other items for it but hopefully work done on it will help pay for that stuff.
[02:21:08] <duc> So why don't you have a rpc for the lathe that can run a surface grinder
[02:21:41] <PetefromTn_> I had a big RPC but I sold it....now everything in my shop will be run on single phase input
[02:22:11] <malcom2073> My dad has a surface grinder that I swear is identical to that Acra one
[02:22:24] <malcom2073> He's been talking about putting steppers on it for power feeds
[02:23:01] <duc> Hmm that would be a fun project
[02:23:37] <PetefromTn_> I would think that would be pretty easy
[02:23:39] <malcom2073> yeah
[02:24:09] <PetefromTn_> you mostly just run it back and forth about a turn or so in the X and then increment the Z each time
[02:24:29] <malcom2073> Exactly
[02:24:47] <malcom2073> He's stalled though, for lack of a real reason to do so heh
[02:28:11] <duc> Had a hydraulic driven one at work that was nice to set and leave
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[02:47:44] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 folks
[02:48:20] <malcom2073> Night
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[03:38:31] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/
[03:38:33] <Tom_itx> facelift
[03:49:16] <MattyMatt> needs more video >:)
[03:49:50] <MattyMatt> or else kickstarter pages look more exciting
[03:50:26] <MattyMatt> reading is so 19CE
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[03:54:53] <MattyMatt> good typography drags it kicking and screaming into the 1930s :) it's a move in the right direction
[04:00:52] <Crom> finished our biannual Ikea trip today, Bought yet another LED flex neck desk lamps AKA a Doubleboost lamp in bright Copper finish. 10 more hangers I have to laser engrave, Yule DInner, and a Par-20 LED intermediate E17 base bulb for a stage light I have.
[04:01:32] <Crom> and I have 4 intermediate to Canlabra adapters coming as well
[04:01:43] <Crom> candleabra
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[04:32:19] <R2E4> Is 2.7.2 in the master?
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[04:46:57] <CaptHindsight> R2E4:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso is the latest iso
[04:48:12] <CaptHindsight> LinuxCNC 2.7.2 is the latest version of Linuxcnc
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[04:50:36] <CaptHindsight> R2E4: source is found on this mirror
https://github.com/jepler/linuxcnc-mirror
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[04:55:49] <R2E4> I successfully compiled 2.6.4, via git clone
[04:56:04] <R2E4> I got master, is it in the branch of master?
[04:56:26] <mozmck> It's in the 2.7 branch
[04:57:29] <mozmck> if you have a git clone already, you can do: git checkout -t origin/2.7
[04:58:30] <mozmck> that should make a local 2.7 branch that tracks the remote 2.7 branch and check it out. Then git pull to make sure it's up to date before compiling.
[05:03:31] <R2E4> ok thanks
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[05:17:37] <R2E4> hmmm.... says already up to date
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[05:42:43] <R2E4> the docs is longer to compile....lol
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[05:59:52] <R2E4> haha, compiled 2.6.4 again
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[07:43:54] <archivist> justanotherusr, almost any geared hobbing machine could be converted to cnc, it is just a matter of adding the sensing (encoder) and servo drive to the gear spindle or cutter spindle
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[07:45:51] <justanotherusr> archivist: any setup you recommend buying?
[07:46:17] <archivist> not really due to price
[07:46:36] <archivist> what do you have and what do you want to spend
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[07:47:19] <archivist> remember a 4 or 5 axis mill with added spindle encoder can also hob
[07:47:59] <archivist> I happened to retrofit an old Barber Colman machine
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[07:57:20] <Deejay> moin
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[08:11:14] <justanotherusr> archivist: Ideally I'd spend at most $2500, but if that can't get me a decent setup then I would be fine with more
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[08:25:16] <archivist> do an ebay search for hobbing machine, mostly too expensive or too big
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[09:03:10] <justanotherusr> yeah, they are all around $5-50k
[09:03:27] <justanotherusr> archivist: are you saying there isn't a solution for this in my price range?
[09:06:25] <justanotherusr> I'm confused because I think you mentioned that modifying a milling machine was a very cost effective solution
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[09:12:01] <archivist> it is, but you need to set the hobbing helix angle some whay
[09:12:12] <archivist> way
[09:13:36] <archivist> either tilt the 4th axis, tilt the head or use a universal mill that has the table rotatable
[09:13:51] <archivist> or use a 5 axis mill
[09:14:32] <archivist> so what do you already have in the way of a mill
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[09:25:34] <justanotherusr> nothing, I need a hobb more than a mill, but I would like both
[09:26:51] <justanotherusr> hob
[09:29:03] <archivist> a hob is the cutting tool not the machine,
[09:29:37] <archivist> note the difference between a hob and a gear milling cutter
[09:31:34] <archivist> with a gear milling cutters you only need a normal mill with a rotary
[09:32:14] <archivist> all depends on qty and variation of gears to be made
[09:32:32] <archivist> there is no one right answer
[09:37:28] <archivist> I built a mill first for gear cutting
[09:46:13] <justanotherusr> I thought your hob was on the spindle of the milling machine perpendicular to the rotary
[09:46:49] <justanotherusr> so no, I don't really understand the difference between a hob and a gear milling cutter, I thought a gear milling cutter was a type of hobbing machine
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[09:57:46] <archivist> gear milling
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/target.php
[09:57:56] <archivist> gear hobbing
http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=9431&subject=27333
[09:58:42] <archivist> milling uses a form tool, hobbing generated the form
[09:58:52] <archivist> generates
[09:59:44] <archivist> for involute the hob has a rack form but produces involute teeth
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[10:12:32] <archivist> you also need to think how you make gear blanks and arbours, you need a lathe
[10:24:14] <SpeedEvil> Just make a gear with infinite teeth.
[10:24:30] <SpeedEvil> It's as good as round
[10:30:02] <XXCoder> hey speed arch
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[12:02:55] <chuckbob> Help! Anybody have a WJ200 VFD wired up analog to a mesa card?
[12:03:13] <XXCoder> not me
[12:03:21] <chuckbob> lol, or anything similar...
[12:03:41] <XXCoder> I use crappy t6560 lol
[12:03:57] <chuckbob> for some reason, the analog output on my 7i33 card is reading almost 14 volts.. all the time
[12:06:08] <XXCoder> whats it supposed to be for?
[12:06:32] <chuckbob> spindle control, 0-10VDC
[12:08:09] <XXCoder> odd
[12:10:34] <archivist> does it need a current sink?
[12:12:12] <chuckbob> I am able to control the vfd with a battery to the analog inputs
[12:12:29] <chuckbob> a AAA battery gives me almost 50hz...
[12:12:37] <chuckbob> but I am unable to control it from linuxcnc
[12:12:50] <chuckbob> not sure about the current sink
[12:13:14] <XXCoder> sounds like configuration issue to me, but then I never used mesa so dunno
[12:13:22] <archivist> see the mesa docs
[12:13:44] <archivist> may just need a resistor to ground on that pin
[12:14:14] <archivist> I dont have one either
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[12:16:22] <chuckbob> no info on it in the docs
[12:16:35] <chuckbob> I had this running before I moved 2 years ago..
[12:16:44] <chuckbob> just a new linuxcnc install, used pncconf...
[12:17:01] <chuckbob> had to rewire everything after the move
[12:17:12] <XXCoder> double check
[12:17:15] <XXCoder> night
[12:17:25] <archivist> I know nothing about pncconf, I use an editor on configs
[12:17:50] <chuckbob> I wish I knew more about the config setup..
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[12:18:37] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html
[12:18:40] <Tom_itx> there you go
[12:19:45] <chuckbob> lol, been there..
[12:19:50] <chuckbob> the rest of the machine is fine..
[12:20:00] <chuckbob> just kind of a new realm for me with the spindle control
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[12:20:58] <chuckbob> should be straight forward, no encoder
[12:21:12] <chuckbob> vfd only accepts 0-10vdc
[12:22:45] <Tom_itx> 7i47S has 0-10v out for one
[12:23:01] <Tom_itx> most are -+10v
[12:24:08] <chuckbob> I am using a 7i33 on a 4i65
[12:24:25] <chuckbob> this is a hitachi wj200 vfd
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[13:03:21] <_methods> Tom_itx: i'll set up an ftp for that stuff
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[13:03:45] <_methods> dropbox will try and d/l everything, forgot about that
[13:04:27] <Tom_itx> one ended up with 255 or more files
[13:04:34] <Tom_itx> one was empty
[13:05:48] <Tom_itx> i'll check later this afternoon
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[13:06:31] <_methods> yeah the one was .rar'd
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[13:07:07] <Tom_itx> was missing 07
[13:07:45] <chuckbob> Might have to chalk this up as a loss.. not many example out there setting up this spindle control
[13:08:53] <Tom_itx> that control sounds familiar... maybe pete or zee would know
[13:09:52] <chuckbob> I hope so
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[14:49:15] <JT-Shop> well the easy conduit is ran
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[14:59:56] <anomynous> has anyone played this game?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5gag6Yjenw
[15:03:39] <_methods> yeah it's called defender lol
[15:03:49] <malcom2073> heh
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[15:14:56] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: conduit! I thought all you country folks got away with just using romex for everything
[15:16:58] <anomynous> _methods, it has defender mode now, i think :)
[15:17:50] <_methods> it would appear so
[15:17:51] <_methods> heh
[15:17:56] <_methods> i loved that game
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[15:30:53] <JT-Shop> I'm an x electrician lol
[15:31:25] <JT-Shop> running emt down the wall for outlets and garage door wiring so I can put the osb up
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[15:36:21] <anomynous> _methods, it was super fun to play
[15:40:29] <FinboySlick> Look at that little beast:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia-tegra-jtx1&num=1
[15:52:04] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBVPbeArwgI last stage of arcade. I never finished this one ;D Too hard, and then they made it even harder at update.
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[16:06:38] <jesseg> Special for today:
http://videoflier.com/movies/1447216361553916420912
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[16:12:16] <Jymmm> Mornin
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[16:21:10] <malcom2073> Hmm, cold air gun
[16:21:12] <malcom2073> that's a nifty concept
[16:23:26] <Jymmm> Yeah, in 1959...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Freeze
[16:23:43] <malcom2073> hehe
[16:23:59] <Jymmm> just sayin =)
[16:24:03] <malcom2073> Arnold did a very good job, almost salvaged that terrible batman movie
[16:24:41] <Jymmm> no clue, I just rememebred mr freeze when I heard cold air gun is all
[16:24:56] <Jymmm> Well, thought it was Dr Freeze actually
[16:25:29] <Jymmm> but google corrected me =)
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[16:40:09] <chuckbob> Well, think I am giving up on this tuning gig... I don't have the theory to do better than this
[16:40:10] <chuckbob> http://i.imgur.com/jMi7B1K.jpg
[16:43:41] <cradek> is that inches or mm?
[16:44:41] <cradek> I have never seen a tuning that benefits from FF0
[16:46:04] <cradek> that looks like a decent tuning even if it's inches
[16:46:44] <chuckbob> inches
[16:46:58] <cradek> I bet you could adjust FF1,FF2 to get rid of that steady state error. Set I=0, then set FF1 so the constant speed part is centered on zero, then set FF2 so the accelerating part is centered on zero, then put I back to where you had it
[16:47:30] <chuckbob> will go give it a shot
[16:47:38] <cradek> it will be very minor tweaks to your FF1,FF2 values
[16:47:52] <cradek> but adjust it without any I gain or you're chasing your tail
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[16:52:25] <CaptHindsight> anyone use Amamzon Prime and how has it worked out? Is it worth it?
[16:52:40] <cradek> I had it one year and it wasn't worth it
[16:53:09] <cradek> a lot of stuff is not shipped prime, and the stuff that is costs enough more that it pays for the shipping
[16:53:18] <cradek> it mostly feels like a scam to me
[16:53:47] <CaptHindsight> yeah, it doesn't seem to add up
[16:53:49] <archivist> a bit like a costco membership
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[16:53:52] <cradek> there's videos and stuff but I don't care one bit about that stuff
[16:54:24] <CaptHindsight> ah ok, we had Costco and Sam's Club
[16:55:05] <CaptHindsight> I felt cheated by Sam's club when I'd see the same prices at Walmart
[16:55:25] <CaptHindsight> or sometimes even lower at Walmart on sale
[16:56:45] <CaptHindsight> and the 10 cents a gallon savings on gas only work out for me if I fill up nearly every week
[17:00:42] <archivist> be ever so careful if you go for the trial membership, the buggers get your cc number and sign you up regardless
[17:01:25] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/HO4XTau - on resonance
[17:01:32] <CaptHindsight> yeah, sounds about right, seems you need to only use a gift card these days
[17:02:04] <CaptHindsight> or they sign you up for whatever and make you waste time canceling
[17:03:20] <jdh> I love amazon prime
[17:03:47] <archivist> I prefer my money stays mine
[17:04:37] <jdh> I can order a $2 part in friday night and it is here sunday
[17:05:31] <jdh> I ordered a few $0.90 thrust bearing washers
[17:05:41] <CaptHindsight> jdh: is there an Amazon warehouse near you?
[17:06:03] <jdh> no. there is nothing near me
[17:06:13] <chuckbob> Here is is at 100u/div
[17:06:14] <chuckbob> http://i.imgur.com/8CxAAXg.jpg
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[17:09:06] <chuckbob> running a 5khz servo thread now
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[17:31:18] <R2E4> IS the 7i76E worth getting instead of the 7i76? Is the ethernet working well?
[17:32:15] <R2E4> Any drawbacks?
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[17:48:14] <chuckbob> Here it is now at 50u/div... Think I am going to leave it here
[17:48:15] <chuckbob> http://i.imgur.com/tii2Skb.jpg
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[17:51:05] <cradek> much better
[17:51:35] <cradek> ff2 is not quite right, but I is compensating after a little while
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[17:51:49] <cradek> but perfectly usable
[17:52:40] <chuckbob> I is set to 0
[17:53:07] <cradek> oh interesting - during this plot?
[17:53:11] <chuckbob> yes
[17:53:21] <chuckbob> the numbers greyed out are my actual settings
[17:53:27] <cradek> cool
[17:53:38] <chuckbob> P 16000, I 0, D 24
[17:53:49] <chuckbob> FF1 27.25, FF2 .1
[17:53:54] <cradek> maybe that's sticktion at the beginning
[17:54:04] <chuckbob> have no idea what I am doing, just a lot of experimenting
[17:54:20] <cradek> looks fine, move on :-)
[17:54:35] <chuckbob> turned off the current loop integrator in the drives and went for the skies
[17:54:48] <chuckbob> torque mode, amc 30a8 drives
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[17:56:28] <chuckbob> Thanks for your advice.. managed to work this error down quite a bit
[17:56:44] <cradek> welcome
[17:57:10] <cradek> you might want to put something heavy on the table and see how it works. might find you want your I gain back
[17:57:30] <cpresser> [5~
[17:57:54] <chuckbob> It's a desktop machine, I had a 4" vise on it.. won't be doing anything outlandish on this thing
[17:58:49] <cradek> ah
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[18:00:41] <chuckbob> so what do those divisions equate to. Am I to assume that is 50 microinches?
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[18:08:14] <FAalbers> hello
[18:12:43] <FAalbers> I bought a 3040T-DJ CNC router
http://www.ly-cnc.com/product/CNC_3040T-DJ_Engraving_Machine-en.html and got myself a Dell Optiplex 745 with parallel port for driving it
https://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/opti_745techspecs.pdf
[18:13:47] <malcom2073> Hi
[18:15:09] <FAalbers> I first tried to install the software Mach3 that came with it and connected the CNC to the PC using the parallel cable. I could see the Prallel drivers and Mach3 Drivers where installed. When I ran Drivetest.exe it did nothing. It should do the following.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JLfUhmmrhs
[18:15:30] <FAalbers> When I then ran Mach3 software , it bluescreened
[18:15:47] <malcom2073> Heh, well don't run mach3 :) Run linuxcnc!
[18:15:52] <FAalbers> So I decided to install linuxcnc on my machine
[18:15:59] <FAalbers> :)
[18:16:03] <malcom2073> However, bluescreen coudl be indicative of a hardware problem
[18:16:17] <FAalbers> The above was just to let you know how I got here :)
[18:16:24] <malcom2073> Nice
[18:16:57] <FAalbers> I know I still have to read up on the whole getting started manual. but ...
[18:17:21] <FAalbers> Is there a simple way to see if my parallel connection to the CNC actually works ?
[18:17:38] <malcom2073> Yep, once you get linuxcnc installed (or use a livecd), run stepconf
[18:17:43] <malcom2073> it will allow you to test each axis
[18:17:52] <FAalbers> Is there a parallel port trouble shooting tool in the linuxcnc package ?
[18:18:52] <malcom2073> Not so much, stepconf lets you set the pinout of your breakout board, and then test each axis to ensure they wortk
[18:19:10] <archivist> I use a real scope for that, linuxcnc has halscope with it also
[18:19:13] <FAalbers> that might be 6. Stepper Configuration Wizard in the manual I guess ?
[18:20:21] <FAalbers> archivist, I have a Scope and a Logic Analyzer , so that will make it much easier i guess :)
[18:21:32] <FAalbers> archivist, malcom2073 ... what voltage do I expect comming out of the parallel pins ? I never did any parallel port checking before.
[18:21:56] <archivist> it is TTL level basically
[18:22:48] <archivist> but beware some implementations and states are open collector, I have needed external pullups in the past
[18:23:57] <FAalbers> archivist, malcom2073 ... I also found this config ... I guess it will be a good starting point for the stepconf tool :) ...
https://github.com/jieter/linuxcnc-config/tree/master/configs/3040t_no-endstops
[18:24:10] <archivist> some breakout boards are also a bit junky and fail to drive the optos in the stepper driver correctly, only a real scope finds that
[18:24:55] <FAalbers> archivist, I should probably then better read signals in the actual CNC box , since it should have the proper pullups if needed.
[18:26:21] <FAalbers> archivist, malcom2073 ... thanks for getting me going. Will test this evening when I get home. Will report later or tomorrow morning. Much appreciated !
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[19:10:17] <chuckbob> Getting the hang of it, here is the z-axis tuned up as best as I can get it
[19:10:19] <chuckbob> http://i.imgur.com/SrzH3iz.jpg
[19:10:51] <FAalbers> archivist, Found this , wil test out tonight ... ttp://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Parallel_Port_Tester
[19:11:05] <FAalbers> better ...
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Parallel_Port_Tester
[19:13:15] <andypugh> You can try connecting an input pin to an output pin and using the p-port tester.
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[19:18:55] <FAalbers> andypugh, is it to pick up pull downs ? Can't I just test the output without connectiong to the input ?
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[19:22:20] <DaViruz> i kind of won a
http://hobbymaro.puhasoft.hu/Beni/Pict/emco140.jpg on an auction by accident
[19:22:43] <DaViruz> i didn't really expect my bid to hold up
[19:25:40] <archivist> DaViruz, like me and a CMM :)
[19:25:57] <DaViruz> problem is i have nowhare to put it :/
[19:26:14] <DaViruz> unless i manage to get 1500kg machine down the basement stairs, and then a hard turn through a door
[19:26:21] <archivist> chuck the car out the garage
[19:26:47] <archivist> I have moved stuff in parts
[19:26:49] <DaViruz> garage is full of enduro bike stuff, a couple of engines, gearboxes, a gokart..
[19:27:07] <DaViruz> yeah i'm thinking about taking it down there in parts
[19:27:29] <archivist> I had a weeks rapid move around in the garage, the CMM had to have a place to go!
[19:28:25] <DaViruz> there was a small emco VMC in the same auction, i intended to bid on that as well, but i screwed it up :/
[19:28:35] <archivist> contemplated around the house and into the lounge, but not enough space down the side of the house at the moment
[19:29:00] <DaViruz> maybe i'll just rent a new workshop
[19:30:08] <archivist> bikes are on wheels you can move them out the way
[19:31:32] <andypugh> DaViruz: It might be quite small when “undressed"
[19:32:15] <andypugh> Is that a hydraulic power pack next to it?
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[19:33:14] <andypugh> FAalbers: You can probably measure the voltage with a multimeter. But don’t be astonished if you can’t. Making a loopback is just an easy way ti run through a few possible parport base addresses.
[19:33:25] <DaViruz> andypugh: im not sure, it's not that specific machine
[19:34:12] <DaViruz> it seems to vary what kind of accessories they have. i've seen hydraulic packs, a big honking transformer (for US use i presume), chip tray, etc
[19:34:45] <andypugh> Woot! I found the same motorcycling suit as I currently wear as new-old-stock in the US on eBay.
[19:34:57] <andypugh> (I thought about buying two, in fact).
[19:35:23] <archivist> hehe intending falling off more?
[19:35:23] <_methods> send me a case of lemon fanta and i'll send you your suits lol
[19:36:05] <andypugh> Mine is not waterproof any more, but is still so much more convenient than the different type I bought to replace it that I have been wearing the leaky one for two years.
[19:36:13] <archivist> I thought that was a USA drink
[19:36:18] <_methods> no way
[19:36:22] <_methods> no lemon fanta here
[19:36:28] <_methods> i wish
[19:36:39] <andypugh> The Alpinestars lets you step in without finding something to sit on, and with your boots on.
[19:36:59] <_methods> no kinder eggs and no lemon fanta
[19:37:00] <DaViruz> i wonder if that funky emcotronic-control is somewhat serviceable or if i need to look at retrofitting straight away
[19:37:04] <archivist> it is a coke brand
[19:37:06] <chuckbob> Do I need a resistor somewhere to use the analog output to a hitachi VFD?
[19:37:13] <DaViruz> http://tovek.se/images/custom/AuctionItem/53693.JPG
[19:37:13] <chuckbob> from a 7i33
[19:37:22] <DaViruz> im not even sure if that window is for a screen
[19:37:28] <andypugh> chuckbob: I don’t think so.
[19:37:49] <andypugh> I run a VFD from a 7i49 with no extra components.
[19:38:10] <archivist> he was getting 14v earlier
[19:38:12] <chuckbob> I measure almost 14 volts from analog out on the 7i33 with no vfd attached, and linuxcnc not even running
[19:38:45] <andypugh> Measuring where?
[19:38:49] <chuckbob> however.. i did notice that if I measure the voltage while touching the leads with my hands, the voltage is what it should be
[19:39:04] <_methods> http://phys.org/news/2015-11-discovery-confinement-state-plasma.html
[19:39:14] <chuckbob> something is definitely missing
[19:39:33] <archivist> the ground/0v connection
[19:39:41] <chuckbob> i had this working last year..
[19:40:15] <archivist> we cannot see your wiring
[19:40:18] <chuckbob> not sure at this point archivist, this was just measuring the analog out +/- leads
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[19:40:59] <chuckbob> simple wiring.. the drv and gnd connections from the 7i33 go into the O and L connections on the VFD, respectively
[19:41:23] <andypugh> Is this true of all the outputs?
[19:41:32] <chuckbob> nope
[19:41:54] <andypugh> Do you have a spare output of which this is not true?
[19:42:02] <chuckbob> there are no extra outputs
[19:42:10] <chuckbob> the other 3 axis are used
[19:42:26] <chuckbob> this grounding thing is interesting
[19:42:33] <andypugh> What do they do if temoporarily disconnected?
[19:42:43] <chuckbob> i thought before somebody may have told me last year about using a 330 ohm resistor across something..
[19:43:00] <chuckbob> can't really remember now
[19:43:16] <chuckbob> i'll go out and have a looksie what happens
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[19:54:08] <chuckbob> quite strange
[19:54:35] <chuckbob> if i ground myself on the gnd connection, it works as advertised
[19:54:48] <chuckbob> all i have to do is touch it with my bare hand
[19:56:29] <chuckbob> think the jumper bar for the 24v and plc is in the wrong place
[20:00:45] <chuckbob> nope, i am clearly missing something
[20:06:37] <archivist> fingers making a difference means you are missing something
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[20:09:10] <FAalbers> andypugh, Sorry , still learning here , what do you mean with 'Making a loopback is just an easy way ti run through a few possible parport base addresses'
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[20:21:00] <chuckbob> yup, something is wonky
[20:22:19] <chuckbob> just don't know what it would be, super simple wiring
[20:22:50] <chuckbob> something isn't being pulled to ground when there is no analog output
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[21:14:08] <aventtini6> hi guys
[21:15:13] <andypugh> FAalbers: Well, you may not know your parallel port base address, though 0x378 seems like a good guess.
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[21:16:04] <aventtini6> i have tested today 2 pc
[21:16:11] <andypugh> So, if you end up having to try out a few possibiites, having an input connected to an output. toggling an output on the parport tester and seeing of the input changes, is a good way to be sure.
[21:16:31] <aventtini6> one core2duo 3mhz and one ITX mobile 1.6mhz
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[21:17:06] <aventtini6> i got a latency test on the ITX of 6000 and the core2duo 13000
[21:17:44] <aventtini6> the ITX was going from 900 to 5400 max on tests
[21:17:54] <FAalbers> andypugh, Oh ! OK. I might just also use a few LED's with 470 ohm resistors
[21:18:34] <aventtini6> why is so low on the itx the cpu is more inferior to a core2duo
[21:18:52] <FAalbers> andypugh, At work now , can't wait to get home to try all this out
[21:19:14] <FAalbers> Would be a bummer if port is not working
[21:19:38] <andypugh> FAalbers: Or a good excuse to buy something better than a parport
[21:20:08] <FAalbers> andypugh, Well, I could get a better controller , yes
[21:20:08] <andypugh> aventtini6: 13000 is still pretty good.
[21:20:40] <FAalbers> andypugh, The hardware look pretty sturdy for the price though
[21:21:53] <aventtini6> but 3000 is way better
[21:22:20] <aventtini6> the fun part is i have like 20 ITX
[21:22:22] <aventtini6> :))
[21:22:35] <aventtini6> i got a new mikron this week
[21:24:55] <aventtini6> has any one used a ssd
[21:24:56] <aventtini6> ?
[21:25:08] <XXCoder> aventtini6: ssd yeah I do
[21:25:13] <XXCoder> I bought a cheap 16 gb one
[21:25:36] <XXCoder> perfect for linuxcnc
[21:25:50] <aventtini6> :D
[21:25:58] <andypugh> I use the 8 or 4GB DOM ones, that plug straight into an SATA port
[21:26:00] <aventtini6> so i need to get one
[21:26:12] <aventtini6> 16gb is ok
[21:26:17] <aventtini6> not bad
[21:26:22] <XXCoder> you really need just 8 gb
[21:26:33] <aventtini6> i allways use this chep dell pcs
[21:26:33] <andypugh> The SATA power connector is nearly as big as the 8GB drive
[21:27:08] <aventtini6> and today i found some guy that has 21 itx whit mobile intel
[21:27:19] <aventtini6> and decided to make a small thes
[21:27:21] <aventtini6> test
[21:27:34] <aventtini6> and it was way better the a core2duo
[21:28:43] <andypugh> For latency maybe, but it doesn’t hurt to have some CPU horsepower and graphics performance for actually running the software. Latency is not everything.
[21:29:21] <aventtini6> right
[21:29:58] <aventtini6> the actual test is after i run the 7i77
[21:30:16] <aventtini6> i like it because is small
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[21:31:01] <aventtini6> i was wanted to ask if there is any shop in EU for HH liniar scales seals
[21:33:44] <andypugh> HH?
[21:34:53] <aventtini6> heindehaim
[21:36:46] <andypugh> Might be worth giving these guys a try, but I just Googled them, I have no experience.
http://www.heidenhainencoders.co.uk/repairs-and-servicing
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[21:41:12] <andypugh> Some photos: These are useful when you need to drill near a shoulder, or tap near a shoulder.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281776387506 in action
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/P9eXjUQDrZAzSWMBGOZByNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
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[21:42:10] <andypugh> 8GB DOM SSD mounted on my next control motherboard:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/fljp3WINe4Mh2E7cLHyKVdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[21:42:58] <andypugh> And, finally: I have had quite enough of pattern-making for a while:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/gQuPtDB0J_ZiqVVDHaf8vtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[21:43:09] <chuckbob> grrrr.. if i hadn't shaved my head, I would pull my hair out
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[21:58:40] <anomynous> is that how you barber
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[22:03:09] <andypugh> chuckbob: Have you tried asking PCW? He probably knows how a 7i33 output should work
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[22:09:15] <JT-Shop> no more wondering when the rain will start
[22:12:03] <andypugh> I wonder when it will stop?
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[22:20:22] <Sync> andypugh: why don't you get something made to fit? :D
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[22:31:54] <andypugh> Sync: Where? what?
[22:34:42] <Sync> your leathers
[22:35:20] <andypugh> I should probably get a patch-cable made to fit, the 7i44 is under the 7i84, so needs about a 4” cable,
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/MgJdO_B3gMuyJtf0NLuy5dMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
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[22:36:41] <andypugh> I don’t wear leathers, I want waterproof. Aerostich make good suits a lot like the Alpinestars, but at £1200 delivered they would need to be a _lot_ better.
[22:38:27] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:40:35] <Sync> ah, I don't really care for water proof
[22:40:47] <Sync> 1200 doesn't sound too bad
[22:41:16] <andypugh> That’s £ not $
[22:42:45] <andypugh> All the reviews of similar suits go on about how good the venting is. I don’t want venting, I want waterproof and warm! I can cope with being a bit hot during the summer weeks.
[22:43:45] <Sync> yeah I know it is £
[22:44:20] <andypugh> Also, they suggest that you might want alterations, so it may need to cross the Atlantic a few times.
[22:44:39] <andypugh> They are good, by all accounts, but not good enough…
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[22:50:50] <JT-Shop> I like that "summer weeks" like it doesn't last long
[22:52:23] <andypugh> It doesn’t
[22:56:16] <JT-Shop> how long does it take to make a bootable usb stick? I made one before but this is taking quite some time
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[22:59:19] <andypugh> dd can take a long time, and there is no feedback
[23:00:02] <andypugh> But sometimes, it just isn’t actually doing anything, and won’t finish
[23:00:19] <andypugh> (I wonder if top would give any clues about whether dd was working? )
[23:00:25] <JT-Shop> the usb drive is blinking, so maybe it is working
[23:00:35] <andypugh> Yeah, that’s a good sign.
[23:00:44] <andypugh> How long has it been?
[23:02:07] <JT-Shop> 45 minutes, I don't see it in top
[23:03:17] <andypugh> I was going to say 30 minutes, 45 would have me wondering too. is it a big or slow stick?
[23:03:27] <JT-Shop> 8GB
[23:05:02] <andypugh> http://askubuntu.com/questions/215505/how-do-you-monitor-the-progress-of-dd
[23:05:08] <Sync> andypugh: I just got a few suits for different weather and purposes
[23:05:43] <Tom_itx> 51F but windy as heck
[23:06:07] <JT-Shop> all I have is a pair of cheap FrogToggs lol
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[23:07:27] <andypugh> 12C here (53 F) which is just freaky for 11pm in November. The wearther is broken
[23:08:01] <JT-Shop> my nas shows up as nas_E5-1B-6A (AFP) and nas_E5-1B-6A (SMB) what is the difference?
[23:08:28] <andypugh> Apple File Protocol and Samba
[23:09:27] <JT-Shop> I wonder why AFP? gotta look at the system
[23:10:12] <andypugh> It’s probably just sharing on two protocols for convenience. Do you stream any music?
[23:10:39] <JT-Shop> not yet but it has crossed my mind to put all my music in one place
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[23:11:45] <JT-Shop> and photos
[23:12:10] <andypugh> Hmm, not due to iPlayer then
[23:12:30] <JT-Shop> no just regular music files
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[23:13:06] <JT-Shop> I do have an ipod and can't run itunes on my XP any more apple turned it off lol
[23:13:18] <andypugh> I wonder if Ryanair will let me fly with jars of Stem Ginger if I decant the syrup into <100ml bottles?
[23:14:30] <JT-Shop> what do you make with stem ginger?
[23:17:03] <andypugh> I am not sure. A German friend is a fan of Great British Bake-Off and they apparently use it a lot on there.
[23:17:21] <andypugh> (And it isn’t readily available in Munich, apparently)
[23:17:41] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: you can't get ginger?
[23:17:45] <SpeedEvil> that is - ginger root
[23:18:02] <andypugh> I _grow_ ginger out of my head
[23:18:18] <SpeedEvil> It's very, very cheap in the UK.
[23:18:25] <SpeedEvil> ~4 quid a kilo.
[23:18:59] <SpeedEvil> 3
[23:19:29] <andypugh> I think they can get Ginger, but not the sticky preserved kind
[23:20:01] <FAalbers> I know Ginger
[23:21:04] <JT-Shop> oh dd says it is done... now to test it
[23:22:36] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: it's pretty easy to make yourself
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[23:27:31] <zeeshan> howdy
[23:32:30] <zeeshan> i found a stray the other day
[23:32:33] <zeeshan> thinking of naming it
[23:32:41] <zeeshan> tentatively shadow is the name
[23:32:46] <zeeshan> but i thought nakamura would be more appropriate :[
[23:32:53] <zeeshan> fiance wasn't too impressed
[23:33:16] <Tom_itx> did i miss something?
[23:33:27] <zeeshan> not realy :P
[23:33:33] * Tom_itx thought it was gf the other day
[23:33:46] <zeeshan> very observant
[23:33:49] <zeeshan> haha
[23:34:04] <malcom2073> Congrats, we told you to put a ring on that woman when you said she would help you move machines :P
[23:34:15] <zeeshan> ty :D
[23:34:30] <Tom_itx> the end of an era
[23:34:44] <zeeshan> man im excited, i get my japanese manual tomorrow!
[23:35:19] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/hamilton/doall-power-file/1117564615?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[23:35:20] <zeeshan> hmm
[23:36:44] <Tom_itx> you gonna learn japanese?
[23:36:48] <zeeshan> no
[23:36:58] <zeeshan> its pretty erasy to understand when there is symbols
[23:37:05] <zeeshan> (this is for the car)
[23:37:15] <Tom_itx> oh
[23:37:42] <jthornton> wow this new motherboard has a latency < 5000
[23:37:51] <zeeshan> which one
[23:38:06] <Tom_itx> cool
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[23:40:31] <zeeshan> tom
[23:40:36] <zeeshan> http://recharge.jp/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/p1.jpg
[23:40:41] <zeeshan> for example that
[23:40:55] <zeeshan> you see relays, fan motors, prolly high and low
[23:41:07] <zeeshan> the symbols are for the wire colors which should b e pretty easy to decode
[23:41:19] <zeeshan> 青
[23:41:20] <zeeshan> is blue
[23:41:29] <zeeshan> 黒 black :)
[23:41:43] <zeeshan> my problem is they're hard to read
[23:41:47] <zeeshan> cause they're so similar :P
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[23:48:18] <jthornton> zeeshan,
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/18-computer/29147-intel-cpu-on-board-motherboard-suggestion?start=20
[23:50:06] <zeeshan> wow
[23:50:08] <zeeshan> thats a nice combo
[23:50:33] <zeeshan> no serial port though :[
[23:50:48] <jthornton> yea, onboard
[23:51:00] <jthornton> you need a cable and adapter for it
[23:51:01] <zeeshan> need a seperate header cable?
[23:51:02] <zeeshan> ah
[23:51:08] <zeeshan> oh i see it now
[23:51:09] <zeeshan> "com"
[23:51:13] <jthornton> yea
[23:51:31] <zeeshan> this would be way faster than the j1900
[23:52:05] <jthornton> it's so fast compared to the old shit I have...
[23:52:12] <Tom_itx> hah
[23:52:14] <zeeshan> dude trust me i know!
[23:52:15] <zeeshan> lol
[23:52:22] <zeeshan> i use my desktop vs my mil lcomp
[23:52:25] <zeeshan> and i lose even more hair
[23:52:47] <Tom_itx> is this for a machine or desktop?
[23:52:50] <jthornton> I really like the raid NAS I just got
[23:52:56] <jthornton> could be for either
[23:53:05] <zeeshan> whats your machine comp
[23:53:18] <jthornton> going to test my usb stick so a reboot is needed
[23:53:28] <jthornton> which one lol
[23:53:53] <jthornton> brb
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[23:58:08] <jthornton> guess I need to try again or put a dvd drive in to load linux mint
[23:58:58] <malcom2073> I've never had luck getting linuxcnc on a usb stick, dunnoy why
[23:59:04] <malcom2073> never had issues with anything else cept it :/
[23:59:09] <malcom2073> liveusb style
[23:59:13] <jthornton> I did it once before and it worked
[23:59:37] <malcom2073> Usually I get it working once, do an upgrade, and then wind up not upgrading again forever cause of it
[23:59:44] <malcom2073> my mill is running ubuntu 8
