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[00:14:49] <andypugh> It is available as a demo branch of LinuxCNC
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[00:15:08] <andypugh> As in, you can download a version of LinuxCNC with is all there
[00:17:17] <malcom2073> Oh nice, I've been using the python scripts on the wiki
[00:17:25] <andypugh> Set up Synaptic to look for the “scratch” builds at the bottom here, then you can choose the features-preview branch from the package mananger.
[00:17:27] <andypugh> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org
[00:17:30] <malcom2073> Be nice to have it integrated
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[00:39:49] <Erant> andypugh: I can just check it out from git too, right?
[00:39:59] <andypugh> Yes, of course.
[00:40:01] <Tom_itx> andypugh milling more molds?
[00:40:05] <andypugh> Yes.
[00:40:11] <andypugh> Bored now!
[00:40:14] <Tom_itx> heh
[00:40:18] <Erant> What molds are you milling?
[00:40:22] <Erant> The MDF ones?
[00:40:25] <Tom_itx> that means it's going smooth
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[00:42:39] <andypugh> The one I am doing now is in Ebaboard. I got bored of MDF, it’s cheap but painful.
[00:44:47] <andypugh> We have a rapid production lab at work, they use a lot of PU and Epoxy modelboard / toolong board, so I keep an eye on their skip and pull out the big bits.
[00:49:00] <Tom_itx> i suppose alot of what they do is under wraps too
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[00:50:55] <andypugh> Not to me, I am allowed to know, just not allowed to say.
[00:51:22] <Tom_itx> well that figures
[00:52:27] <Tom_itx> well don't you test what they come up with anyway?
[01:06:33] <Erant> andypugh: What's the mold for?
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[01:10:54] <_methods> cheese
[01:11:48] <Tecan> drones
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[01:27:31] <_methods> man hougen makes a QUALITY mag drill
[01:27:44] <_methods> picked up an older 10914 at an auction
[01:27:52] <_methods> blows away the milwaukees
[01:30:50] <andypugh> Erant: Converting a lathe to CNC
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[01:37:05] <andypugh> These are the ones painted and brought in to the house to harden the paint off:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/XCU4hIqd-Nb_1pLUPetBktMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[01:38:06] <FinboySlick> Missed a bit of the conversation there. Is this for sandcasting?
[01:38:31] <brandon_> hello, does anyone know if linuxcnc can be installed/ran on the latest Mint 17.2 cinnamon?
[01:38:33] <andypugh> 4 more core-boxes and one simple mould to go. One core-box (the biggest one) is done but needs the core-print depth adjusting. I currently working on the bigger of the two core-boxes for the pattern on the right
[01:38:44] <andypugh> FinboySlick: Yes.
[01:39:16] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Wow. Aluminium I assume?
[01:39:38] <andypugh> brandon_: Probably. You need an RTAI or RT-PREEMPT kernel
[01:39:54] <andypugh> FinboySlick: No, cast iron, but I am not doing the casting.
[01:40:32] <FinboySlick> andypugh: OK. I was thinking that the larger ones would take something a bit beyond your typical home-made foundry.
[01:40:40] <andypugh> Yes, just a bit.
[01:40:43] <brandon_> how do i go about installing? i came across an iso of ubuntu 10.04 with linuxcnc preinstalled, but would really like to just run it off of my mint. tried using unetbootin with the hybrid iso, but it wouldnt fully boot
[01:40:54] <andypugh> The giy quoted £80 for the big o ne.
[01:41:00] <andypugh> (guy, one)
[01:41:13] <Erant> That's not that bad...
[01:41:22] <Erant> Considering the work involved.
[01:41:25] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Not that you're a typical home-made tinkerer.
[01:41:37] <andypugh> brandon_: On a stock installation the kernel is the hard part
[01:41:40] <XXCoder> brandon_: I just download iso of latest linuxcnc distro (1.7 if I recall) then setup a flash drive then install it on pc
[01:41:58] <brandon_> sorry, but im new to working with adding kernels. would you be willing to give me a little walk through?
[01:41:59] <Erant> He wants to install it on his existing distro
[01:42:21] <XXCoder> yeah I suggest just install whole distro as downloaded not modify existing distro
[01:42:31] <Erant> Eh. Use your favorite package manager to check whether there's one as a package first
[01:42:48] <XXCoder> it must be a distro that supports rts
[01:42:51] <brandon_> my mint distro is rather fresh, so i wouldnt be opposed to starting over at this point, but i just dont want to run cnc 2.5 off of ubuntu 10.04 being both older versions
[01:42:52] <Erant> If not, figure out where Mint puts its kernels
[01:43:03] <XXCoder> if not well its not happening
[01:43:17] <andypugh> brandon_: Do you intend to control a machine with the proposed installation, or just have a play around?
[01:43:21] <XXCoder> brandon_: latest just uses stright debian
[01:43:24] <XXCoder> with xfce
[01:43:28] <FinboySlick> brandon_: Though you don't *have* to, it's usually better to think of your linuxCNC installation as dedicated to the mill and not an every-day use PC.
[01:44:08] <Erant> Mine certainly is... It being in the shop 'n all.
[01:44:33] <XXCoder> I converted my old pc for mill use
[01:44:39] <XXCoder> bought a 16 gb ssd
[01:45:05] <brandon_> at this point, i would be playing and learning what its all about, then eventually would like to see if i can integrate it for a buddy's home shop. so, really, either way, if i can make it dedicated with the most recent versions of distro/linuxcnc, that would be ideal i suppose.
[01:45:14] <PCW> I run linuxcnc tests on my normal desktop (Ubuntu14.04) angd have run it on Mint also
[01:45:20] <brandon_> i can throw it on a computer i dont use as much and let it be dedicated
[01:45:34] <andypugh> That’s going to be easier.
[01:46:03] <andypugh> I am sure that you can run LinuxCNC on Mint, but it would be a different project to the one I suspect you want.
[01:46:04] <XXCoder> my mistake
[01:46:06] <brandon_> anyone have a link to a distro with newest version built in?
[01:46:13] <XXCoder> latest is 2.7.2 or thereabouts
[01:46:21] <XXCoder> brandon_: still looking
[01:46:26] <brandon_> thank you all
[01:46:34] <PCW> on Debian Wheezy
[01:46:47] <PCW> works on Jessie also
[01:46:51] <andypugh> We _want_ LinuxCNC to be just another application, but it needs a realtime-patched kernel and those just aren’t quite mainstream yet.
[01:47:13] <XXCoder> yeah rts makes it hard
[01:47:41] <PCW> I think Debian has a fairly recent Preempt-RT kernel available in backports
[01:47:43] <andypugh> brandon_:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/download
[01:47:56] <brandon_> ill check it out, thank you
[01:48:00] <XXCoder> andypugh: that dont have 2.7
[01:48:08] <XXCoder> I know I downloaded it somewhere but cant find it
[01:48:28] <andypugh> Hmm, That’s odd, it should have.
[01:48:44] <brandon_> ya, i tried that one with the hybrid iso, didnt work for me
[01:48:55] <brandon_> v2.6 it was
[01:49:10] <XXCoder> found it
[01:49:11] <XXCoder> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/getting-started/index.html#_download_the_image
[01:49:29] <XXCoder> 3.1.1 section has link
[01:50:21] <brandon_> awesome, thank you. i will fire that up and play away. thanks for the help everyone
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[01:52:19] <andypugh> brandon_: You _could_ try setting up LinuxCNC as a third-party software repository and see what the Mint package manager does. It’s not a lot of effort and worst-case won’t work. buildbot.linuxcnc.org. If you pick “sim” or “uspace” then I think it will work (on Debian, not sure about Mint) but won’t drive steppers very fast.
[01:53:01] <andypugh> hmm, link didn’t linkify itself.
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org
[01:55:07] <XXCoder> brandon_: no problem
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[01:59:16] <brandon_> i will check out the debian built in first. but if i decide later to setup the repo, i will need a little guidance and i will be back with questions.
[01:59:27] <XXCoder> cool
[01:59:37] <XXCoder> dont forget to do latency test
[01:59:46] <XXCoder> my laptop failed it so hard lol
[01:59:49] <XXCoder> over 90k
[02:02:37] <brandon_> another quick Q, anyone have any open source CAM software thats worth checking out?
[02:02:52] <XXCoder> theres a few but im still looking too
[02:03:11] <XXCoder> been using freecad to learn modeling, and its awesome (0.16 is, in least. 0.14 sucks)
[02:03:57] <brandon_> i was going to try that out, just havent gotten to it yet. i assume its available as a linux install?
[02:04:13] <XXCoder> yeah most distros has 0.14 or 0.15 though
[02:04:26] <XXCoder> so just add repo to get more current version
[02:04:58] <brandon_> cool. ive been back and forth on linux for a few years now, and every time i come back, i learn more and like it more.
[02:05:19] <brandon_> just not up to par on adding repos yet. is it just a matter of commands in terminal?
[02:05:45] <brandon_> and do you find repos just by digging through the net?
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[02:08:28] <XXCoder> yeah for freecad a sec'
[02:09:12] <brandon_> i learned to run a manual boring bar machining in a job shop for about a year and a half with no knowledge, and moved to a 3-axis Doosan with a fanuc control. we run solidworks on the engineering end, and mastercam on the machining end. i've learned a lot in a rather small amount of time, but now im just more curious about how the software and hardware communicate and how i can manipulate them with free/open source options to p
[02:09:12] <brandon_> ossibly work my way in to my own business eventually. whats your background?
[02:09:30] <XXCoder> funny thing
[02:09:38] <XXCoder> I has degrees on IT and CS
[02:09:40] <XXCoder> couldnt find any job
[02:09:48] <Erant> If you like programming, or have a background in it, FreeCAD + CADQuery is pretty nice.
[02:10:01] <XXCoder> so i went to work for job train place, got milling internship for a while
[02:10:15] <XXCoder> then got full time cnc machinist
[02:10:47] <PCW> XXCoder : 90K is ok if you have hardware :-)
[02:10:48] <brandon_> i have almost no knowledge with G-code, but could probably get a grasp if i took the time to learn it. i know minimal amount of m-code. but we do program all of our own parts in mastercam with a parasolid model from solidworks.
[02:11:33] <XXCoder> PCW: isnt 90k way too bad latency to properly control cnc machine?
[02:11:55] <PCW> nope
[02:12:25] <brandon_> is there a latency test somewhere built in to linuxcnc or is it an independent thing?
[02:12:33] <PCW> only if you are using the software stepgen
[02:12:43] <XXCoder> I do unfortunately
[02:12:51] <XXCoder> I do want tpo upgrade evenually
[02:13:03] <PCW> There's a latency test and a latency histogram
[02:13:15] <PCW> (that are part of linuxcnc)
[02:13:34] <brandon_> ok thanks
[02:14:36] <PCW> Decent Preempt-RT machine:
[02:14:37] <PCW> http://freeby.mesanet.com/h97-g3258-preemt-rt.png
[02:15:02] <XXCoder> didnt know histogram existed
[02:15:22] <XXCoder> http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/?title=Download#Development_Versions
[02:16:01] <PCW> Thank D. Garret for the Histogram
[02:18:35] <brandon_> XXCoder: thanks
[02:18:48] <XXCoder> np
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[02:22:08] <brandon_> alright, going to boot debian on the other computer. might be back, might not til later. thanks again
[02:25:08] <XXCoder> np :) have fun
[02:27:19] <brandon_> that iso is doing the same thing as the hybrid iso...
[02:27:44] <brandon_> it loads majority of it of the livecd, then starts to bootloop
[02:28:00] <XXCoder> odd
[02:28:10] <brandon_> the last line i can see says: "server terminated with error (1). Closing log file.
[02:28:14] <XXCoder> try safe mode if it has it
[02:28:33] <brandon_> ... ill be back
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[02:39:13] <cnc> a debian question: it seems like my asrock D1800B-ITX mother are using the vesa driver, there is a accelerated driver available?
[02:43:12] <zeeshan-lab> vesa ftw
[02:45:36] <zeeshan-lab> what freq does the 7i77 sample the encoder counts at
[02:47:10] <brandon_> uh...still no digs
[02:47:30] <andypugh> cnc: It might be simpler not to bother with accelerated graphics on a CNC controller.
[02:47:47] <brandon_> i did get the ubuntu 10.04 to boot tho. if i run that, will linuxcnc have updates available you think?
[02:48:56] <zeeshan-lab> hi andypugh
[02:48:57] <zeeshan-lab> :D
[02:49:00] <cnc> ok then
[02:49:10] <andypugh> Yes, you can go to the latests (2.7) version of LinuxCNC on 10.04
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[02:50:17] <XXCoder> I wonder why youre gettung such trouble installing linuxcnc built distros.
[02:50:30] <andypugh> cnc: Graphics drivers are not my speciality, but they seen to be a common cause of latency glitches. Nothing in LinuxCNC is graphics-intensive.
[02:50:40] <zeeshan-lab> when i was using the noveau driver
[02:50:44] <zeeshan-lab> i had massive issues with latency
[02:50:46] <zeeshan-lab> had to go to vesa
[02:50:57] <andypugh> Of course, if the same machine is also you CAD machine, then the balance of potential benefits is different
[02:51:12] <zeeshan-lab> its 2015
[02:51:16] <zeeshan-lab> computers cost $140 to build
[02:51:16] <zeeshan-lab> :D
[02:51:26] <zeeshan-lab> have a dedicated cad machine!!!
[02:51:39] <cnc> it's a pico fpga machine, so onley servo thread
[02:51:39] <zeeshan-lab> and dedicated cnc controller!
[02:51:46] <XXCoder> zeeshan-lab: or just use existing pc
[02:52:14] <XXCoder> zeeshan-lab: any good linux cam solutions?
[02:52:21] <XXCoder> because I cant find anything good
[02:52:26] <zeeshan-lab> nx
[02:52:26] <zeeshan-lab> :D
[02:53:07] <zeeshan-lab> zeeshan@zeeshan-daq:~/apparatus$ uptime 21:52:57 up 129 days, 7:12, 3 users, load average: 0.24, 0.22, 0.22
[02:53:14] <zeeshan-lab> im impressed w/ my lab comp
[02:53:40] <XXCoder> 15 days here
[02:53:53] <zeeshan-lab> i want to hit a year with this thing
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[02:55:05] <XXCoder> zeeshan-lab: I once read about this unix server
[02:55:07] <andypugh> Have you seen the Graphics card that Autodesk recommend?
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/6gb-nvidia-quadro-6000-pci-e-20-(x16)-384-bit-gddr5-sli-2x-dp-dl-dvi-i-3d-stereo-sdi-retail?utm_source=google+shopping&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=CO-zx-Gn_cgCFRSeGwodCVAIHA
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[02:55:15] <zeeshan-lab> yes
[02:55:15] <XXCoder> it had minor use but important
[02:55:18] <zeeshan-lab> its onloy 4000$
[02:55:29] <XXCoder> its been running so long that nobody knew where it is
[02:55:32] <zeeshan-lab> the trick is to use a geforce card
[02:55:39] <zeeshan-lab> and hack it to think its a quadro
[02:55:43] <zeeshan-lab> ive had success w/ that
[02:55:44] <XXCoder> it finally had something wrong after over 10 years uptime
[02:55:50] <zeeshan-lab> LOL XXCoder
[02:55:54] <zeeshan-lab> poor comp
[02:56:10] <XXCoder> as it turns out, its been standing so long someone walled it in when server room was updated
[02:56:18] <zeeshan-lab> haha
[02:56:20] <zeeshan-lab> that cant be true!
[02:56:21] <XXCoder> so they traced wire to wall and found it lol
[02:56:24] <zeeshan-lab> haha
[02:56:41] <XXCoder> problem was that it heated up inside wall so it had heat problems
[02:56:43] <brandon_> ok, so im just taking a shot in the dark here, but i've been trying to write the iso to usb with unetbootin. everything im reading is saying to use the dd command in terminal. would that be the significant difference?
[02:56:59] <XXCoder> probably not but dd is simple
[02:57:00] <andypugh> Yes
[02:57:28] <andypugh> brandon_: For some reason unetbootin doesn’t work with the hybrid ISO
[02:57:56] <brandon_> what distro is the hybrid using?
[02:58:01] <andypugh> Use dd, but be aware that it gives no feedback that it is working, and can take a long time. Like 30 minutes.
[02:58:16] <XXCoder> and be very sure on which drive youre writing to.
[02:58:18] <andypugh> The ISO is Debian Wheezy
[02:58:51] <brandon_> same as v2.7.1 i see. ok, well, dd is new to me so ill see if i can make that work
[02:59:20] <andypugh> Just make super-sure that you copy to the USB stick, not your boot drive.
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[03:00:14] <XXCoder> yeah be very very sure
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[03:01:26] <andypugh> Anyway, 3am and a long way to drive tomorow. Logging-off time.
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[03:02:13] <XXCoder> dd is one of more riciously powerful tool
[03:03:33] <zeeshan-lab> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[03:03:39] <zeeshan-lab> damn this experiment is processing
[03:03:43] <zeeshan-lab> cant wait, last one of rthe day
[03:03:43] <zeeshan-lab> for
[03:03:46] <zeeshan-lab> so tired!!!
[03:03:50] <zeeshan-lab> been up since 5am
[03:03:55] <zeeshan-lab> tgif
[03:04:50] <XXCoder> tgith for me lol
[03:04:57] <zeeshan-lab> ?!!
[03:04:59] <XXCoder> well was, yeserday heh
[03:05:18] <zeeshan-lab> do you work night shifts
[03:05:26] <XXCoder> 2nd shift
[03:05:29] <zeeshan-lab> ah
[03:05:33] <zeeshan-lab> no wonder youre always up late
[03:05:33] <zeeshan-lab> :P
[03:05:34] <XXCoder> 10 hours 4 days
[03:05:42] <brandon_> when i run dmesg, would my removalbe usb most likey be one of the last displayed items shown? im showing sdb i believe. possibly sdb1, but sdb is the root directory of the usb, am i correct? and sdb1 is a sub directory?
[03:06:14] <XXCoder> sdb1 is first partition in that disk, dunno if its usb
[03:06:25] <XXCoder> theres something about mounts command that lists
[03:06:57] <XXCoder> do this
[03:07:07] <XXCoder> open terminal and type "mount" without quotes
[03:07:11] <XXCoder> it will list drives
[03:07:48] <brandon_> /dev/sda6 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[03:07:48] <brandon_> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[03:07:48] <brandon_> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[03:07:48] <brandon_> none on /sys/fs/cgroup type tmpfs (rw)
[03:07:48] <brandon_> none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[03:07:49] <brandon_> none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[03:07:51] <brandon_> none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[03:07:55] <brandon_> udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[03:07:57] <brandon_> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
[03:07:59] <brandon_> tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755)
[03:08:01] <brandon_> none on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=5242880)
[03:08:03] <brandon_> none on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[03:08:05] <brandon_> none on /run/user type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=104857600,mode=0755)
[03:08:07] <brandon_> none on /sys/fs/pstore type pstore (rw)
[03:08:09] <brandon_> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[03:08:09] <XXCoder> my suggestion, use pastebin if more than 2 or 3 lines
[03:08:11] <brandon_> systemd on /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd type cgroup (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,none,name=systemd)
[03:08:13] <brandon_> gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/1000/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=brandon)
[03:08:15] <brandon_> thats what i get with "mount"
[03:08:21] <brandon_> sorry
[03:08:24] <XXCoder> np
[03:08:50] <XXCoder> hmm not sure
[03:08:54] <XXCoder> mines but more clear
[03:09:11] <XXCoder> /dev/sdc1 on /media/rolf/My Book type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)
[03:09:13] <XXCoder> example
[03:09:29] <XXCoder> its mounted on /media/ which is usual for usb stuff
[03:09:51] <brandon_> when i use dmesg, i get this toward the end. the only thing i have with that small capacity, is a removable usb:
[03:09:53] <brandon_> [ 5488.767461] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] 3862528 512-byte logical blocks: (1.97 GB/1.84 GiB)
[03:10:10] <XXCoder> /dev/sdd1 on /media/rolf/Debian wheezy 20141215-20:59 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks2)
[03:10:15] <XXCoder> hmm
[03:10:31] <XXCoder> that does seem correct (your flash drive is 2 gbtype?
[03:10:35] <brandon_> ya
[03:11:30] <XXCoder> https://superuser.com/questions/361885/how-do-i-figure-out-which-dev-is-a-usb-flash-drive
[03:12:29] <XXCoder> "Try the command udevinfo -q all -n /dev/sda, where /dev/sda is the path to your disk. This gives you a boatload of info about the disk you're looking at - there's an entry that tells you about the bus it's connected to."
[03:12:42] <brandon_> its gotta be....right? :)
[03:12:55] <XXCoder> confirm using that command
[03:13:12] <XXCoder> modify it to sdb
[03:13:24] <XXCoder> and see if it is indeed usb 2 gb drive
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[03:16:37] <brandon_> brandon@brandon-X551CAP ~ $ sudo blkid -c /dev/null
[03:16:37] <brandon_> [sudo] password for brandon:
[03:16:37] <brandon_> /dev/sda1: LABEL="test" UUID="20EAD355EAD325B6" TYPE="ntfs"
[03:16:37] <brandon_> /dev/sda5: UUID="497569e9-e7b7-4c96-80ce-0c870cb20bfc" TYPE="swap"
[03:16:37] <brandon_> /dev/sda6: UUID="54aa1010-028c-4ad3-9164-f6aecccf2605" TYPE="ext4"
[03:16:38] <brandon_> /dev/sdb1: LABEL="LinuxCNC" UUID="9055-60CA" TYPE="vfat
[03:16:49] <brandon_> sorry, but i think this shows it as sdb1
[03:17:03] <brandon_> i've labeled it "linuxcnc" when i formatted it
[03:17:15] <XXCoder> it does seem to be sdb
[03:17:33] <brandon_> so, when i dd, does it need the sdb1, or just plain sdb?
[03:17:40] <XXCoder> interesting, that command didnt work
[03:17:44] <XXCoder> so I tried this
[03:17:45] <XXCoder> udevs info -q all -n /dev/sdd
[03:17:47] <XXCoder> it worked
[03:18:00] <XXCoder> try that, but change sdd to sdb
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[03:21:37] <brandon_> your command says "no such command"
[03:21:46] <XXCoder> different distro I guess
[03:21:49] <brandon_> im almost certain it is sdb
[03:21:56] <XXCoder> yeah it seems to be the case
[03:22:05] <brandon_> but, when i use the dd command, i get this: brandon@brandon-X551CAP ~ $ dd if=linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso of=/dev/sde
[03:22:05] <brandon_> dd: failed to open linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso: No such file or directory
[03:22:50] <XXCoder> are you in same directory as the iso file?
[03:22:55] <brandon_> ahh, nope
[03:25:09] <XXCoder> it'll be silent but dont close terminal till prompt returns.
[03:25:17] <XXCoder> and dont remove usb drive for few minutes
[03:25:41] <XXCoder> make sure to properly dismount
[03:25:49] <XXCoder> it wil tell you when it is still writing
[03:25:51] <brandon_> ok, i typed "sudo dd if=linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso of=/dev/sdb" and its chillin' at the flashy underscore. :)
[03:25:57] <XXCoder> cool
[03:26:42] <XXCoder> can you tell I made quite many mistakes with dd? (besides writing to wrong drive lol)
[03:26:54] <brandon_> sorry for being such a greeny. thanks for your patience
[03:27:01] <brandon_> lol
[03:27:02] <XXCoder> hey i went there too :D
[03:28:16] <brandon_> i just really havent had to navigate much in terminal to different locations and never understood how to execute commands based on specific locations. but now i do. :)
[03:28:44] <XXCoder> heh I still remember old dos days
[03:30:54] <brandon_> so, just to be clear, right now, i have nothing returned yet, which means it should be writing the iso to the usb drive? (my usb drive doesnt have a light to indicate writing to/from it...)
[03:31:08] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:31:15] <XXCoder> it will be a while.
[03:31:38] <brandon_> comparatively to the length of time that unebootin might take?
[03:31:54] <XXCoder> depends on stuff and usb but can take 30 minutes
[03:32:12] <brandon_> ok, i will go find another glass of wine :)
[03:33:12] <brandon_> well, its done already
[03:33:31] <brandon_> brandon@brandon-X551CAP ~/Downloads $ sudo dd if=linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso of=/dev/sdb
[03:33:31] <XXCoder> cool
[03:33:31] <brandon_> 2336256+0 records in
[03:33:31] <brandon_> 2336256+0 records out
[03:33:31] <brandon_> 1196163072 bytes (1.2 GB) copied, 467.067 s, 2.6 MB/s
[03:33:41] <XXCoder> leave for a min
[03:33:48] <brandon_> so, right click drive, and unmount after a few mins?
[03:33:50] <XXCoder> then dismount
[03:33:52] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:34:07] <brandon_> alright, ill give it a few, then ill let you know what i get. thanks
[03:34:14] <XXCoder> np
[03:34:46] <zeeshan-lab> man
[03:34:53] <zeeshan-lab> i got 6 text files on another comp w/ no internet
[03:34:58] <zeeshan-lab> how to transfer over!!
[03:35:06] <zeeshan-lab> forgot my usb at home
[03:35:14] <zeeshan-lab> btrb
[03:35:16] <brandon_> cd drive?
[03:35:28] <XXCoder> you has a phone?
[03:35:33] <XXCoder> it can act as usb drive
[03:35:35] <brandon_> smart phone with tethering for internet?
[03:35:46] <brandon_> or ditto xxcoder
[03:36:45] <brandon_> cat5 cable direct? or does that not work?
[03:37:33] <XXCoder> yeah linux you can just connect and share files that way
[03:37:51] <XXCoder> in fact, my vp is connected to my pc network port, and shares internet that way
[03:38:00] <XXCoder> far simplier than windows.
[03:39:38] <brandon_> so far, splash screen/grub menu was debain embroidered...
[03:39:42] <brandon_> looks promising
[03:40:27] <XXCoder> only issue I had is gibberish background for login. I need to look into setting wallpaper for login lol
[03:40:33] <XXCoder> other than that it was fine
[03:40:47] <zeeshan-lab> its a stupid iphone
[03:40:50] <zeeshan-lab> wont get detected there
[03:40:56] <zeeshan-lab> and i dont have the cable for it :P
[03:41:05] <brandon_> and we're in. you're good at this. lol
[03:41:09] <brandon_> thanks
[03:41:25] <XXCoder> np
[03:41:43] <XXCoder> I almost got tech support job but pay offer sucked and it wasnt even full time
[03:41:50] <brandon_> only thing i dont see is a gui install, do i have to do it from boot menu?
[03:41:53] <XXCoder> and I would have to drive way too many miles to get there.
[03:42:07] <brandon_> lol, well i appreciate the open source tech support
[03:42:09] <XXCoder> there should be install stuff
[03:44:05] <zeeshan-lab> blah im gonna go to a grocery store
[03:44:07] <zeeshan-lab> and buy a usb
[03:44:07] <zeeshan-lab> brb :P
[03:44:15] <XXCoder> heh
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[03:44:25] <XXCoder> you can borrow my 16 mb usb dribe
[03:44:28] <XXCoder> its collectable
[03:44:34] <XXCoder> jk on collectable part
[03:44:46] <brandon_> weird, i dont see anything offering to install. ill try the reboot and do it from the menu
[03:44:55] <XXCoder> yeah
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[03:59:53] <XXCoder> how goes the install
[04:00:22] <brandon_> almost 75%
[04:03:06] <XXCoder> ok
[04:04:38] <brandon_> once this all goes well, i have the task of learning the software end of the cnc part...how long will you be on? lol i will probably be calling it a night soon. hardest part done, next hard part is buckling down on learning how it works.
[04:04:57] <XXCoder> I usually sleep at 4 am
[04:05:00] <XXCoder> its now 8 pm
[04:05:07] <brandon_> its 10pm here
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[04:08:07] <zeeshan-lab> finally a USB!!!!!!!!1
[04:08:24] <XXCoder> $50 1 gb one? ;)
[04:08:31] <zeeshan-lab> no 8gb
[04:08:33] <zeeshan-lab> 12 bux
[04:08:39] <zeeshan-lab> at the conv store
[04:08:48] <zeeshan-lab> had to go to 3 different ones to get it
[04:08:54] <XXCoder> not too bad
[04:09:30] <zeeshan-lab> ok its home time!!!
[04:09:59] <brandon_> success. thank you again for walking me through all of this
[04:10:10] <XXCoder> np
[04:10:14] <XXCoder> check out latency
[04:13:01] <brandon_> doing that now
[04:14:00] <brandon_> opening a bunch of windows, surfing web loading images, scribbling in gimp...
[04:14:13] <XXCoder> I usually use glxgears 3 of that
[04:14:22] <XXCoder> and youtube playing HD nature video demo
[04:14:29] <XXCoder> and few other stuff
[04:15:26] <brandon_> what is the significance of these numbers? am i looking for the max jitter?
[04:15:45] <XXCoder> the lower the better
[04:16:08] <XXCoder> it matters less if you has stuff that generates signals
[04:16:16] <XXCoder> motor drivers
[04:16:58] <brandon_> right, but there is different categories. max interval, max jitter, and last interval
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[04:17:43] <brandon_> whats the most important one?
[04:18:04] <XXCoder> not too sure
[04:18:22] <XXCoder> but bottom one should be below 25k for best possible
[04:18:38] <XXCoder> but really if my 9 year old pc can do 9k im sure yours will be fine lol
[04:19:20] <brandon_> wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, i failed to mention that the first one im trying it on, is a 7 year old netbook... :(
[04:19:44] <brandon_> but, i have other options, i just wanted to get my feet wet here and get a feel for it all
[04:19:51] <XXCoder> yeah it should be fine
[04:19:57] <XXCoder> whats number at now?
[04:20:27] <brandon_> under servo thread or the base thread? base thread is the bottom one
[04:20:42] <XXCoder> base
[04:21:46] <brandon_> base thread shows- max interval 59158, max jitter 34326, last interval still moving around but right aroud 24000-25000. yours was 90k? lol
[04:21:59] <XXCoder> my old laptop yeah
[04:22:06] <XXCoder> not surpising as it is 13 years old
[04:22:18] <XXCoder> my old pc was at 9k. it was very high end for its era
[04:22:18] <brandon_> so, yours is kicking mines behind
[04:22:28] <XXCoder> no, 90k is very bad
[04:22:43] <brandon_> ohhhhh, i thought we were looking for a high number, oops
[04:22:45] <XXCoder> 9k is awesome. 35k is within range so its fine
[04:23:11] <brandon_> ran the samsung 4k nature demo video on youtube as well
[04:23:22] <XXCoder> yeah I always use that
[04:23:35] <brandon_> dunno if it plays a part, but this netbook i believe has an ssd
[04:23:37] <XXCoder> as large window as I can without maximized
[04:24:55] <XXCoder> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/install/Latency_Test.html
[04:25:33] <XXCoder> "If the max latency is more like 30-50 microseconds, you can still get good results, but your maximum step rate might be a little disappointing, especially if you use microstepping or have very fine pitch leadscrews"
[04:26:04] <XXCoder> besides
[04:26:08] <XXCoder> its for testing
[04:26:37] <XXCoder> you can build better one later.
[04:27:50] <ssi> zeeshan: home yet?!
[04:29:34] <brandon_> cool, well hey, again, cant say it enough, thanks for not being one of those guys that hates people breaking into their world. means a lot to me being someone that is willing and wants to learn more. im gonna get out and let all this soak in for now. have a good night
[04:29:52] <XXCoder> good night
[04:36:57] <zeeshan> XXCoder: yup
[04:37:00] <zeeshan> er ssi yup
[04:37:18] <XXCoder> yay youre really sending me $10k check??
[04:37:20] <XXCoder> oh aww
[04:37:29] <zeeshan> :)
[04:40:08] <zeeshan> ANALysis time
[04:40:19] <XXCoder> are you trying to say something?
[04:41:17] <XXCoder> and its better kept private between you and your girlfriend or wife lol
[04:41:31] <zeeshan> no im doin wrk
[04:41:45] <zeeshan> get mind of guttter!
[04:41:46] <zeeshan> :]
[04:41:55] <XXCoder> I know, I was teasing you on your weird capitalizion
[04:41:57] <zeeshan> =]]
[04:42:27] <zeeshan> analysis meanms you gotta be anal with the data
[04:42:27] <zeeshan> :D
[04:42:32] <zeeshan> thats what i was implying!
[04:42:40] <XXCoder> yep lol
[04:46:56] <zeeshan> you need to sleeeeeeep!
[04:47:09] <XXCoder> at 9 pm?
[04:47:12] <zeeshan> yes
[04:47:32] <zeeshan> man i feel so dumb
[04:47:51] <zeeshan> i forgot what that transmission gear set was called
[04:47:53] <zeeshan> when its backlash free
[04:48:02] <zeeshan> it's completely out of my memory.
[04:48:59] <zeeshan> omh
[04:49:02] <zeeshan> it came to me!
[04:49:04] <zeeshan> harmonic drive
[04:49:06] <zeeshan> memory is getting slower
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[04:52:36] <XXCoder> we all get cnearer to death every second lol
[04:52:47] <zeeshan> yep =/
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[05:28:58] <ssi> zeeshan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6vr1x6KDaY
[05:29:15] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[05:29:20] <XXCoder> been a bit since I last saw it
[05:29:27] <XXCoder> amazing eh
[05:31:43] <zeeshan> =]
[05:32:28] <XXCoder> double pendulum is proven to be chaotic. amazing that someone found a solution
[05:32:44] <XXCoder> triple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep2lNMic_fk
[05:47:12] <zeeshan> man
[05:47:15] <zeeshan> im just so happy right now
[05:47:21] <zeeshan> im finally getting results that make sense!!!!!!!!!
[05:47:35] <XXCoder> that phd on materials test?
[05:47:40] <zeeshan> masters
[05:47:44] <zeeshan> feels like a phd :p
[05:47:48] <XXCoder> lol ok
[05:49:46] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/32ioVeP.png
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[05:51:19] <zeeshan> can you tell whats going on
[05:51:19] <zeeshan> :D
[05:51:38] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:51:44] <XXCoder> you need to wipe dots off
[05:51:48] <zeeshan> lol
[05:51:49] <XXCoder> it left a mess :(
[05:51:50] <XXCoder> ;)
[05:52:05] <zeeshan> a stress-strain curve is like the #1 tool when designing stuff
[05:52:11] <zeeshan> tells you how a material behaves
[05:52:24] <zeeshan> usually, if a material is elastic
[05:53:15] <zeeshan> if you load it by 5lb, it'll displace 0.005" , and if you double the load to 10lb, itll displace say 0.010" (double the displacement)
[05:53:42] <zeeshan> if you unload it it to 5lb itll instantly go back to 0.005"
[05:53:57] <zeeshan> in my case, my material is taking time go go back to .005"
[05:54:14] <zeeshan> it's viscous and absorbing energy
[05:54:15] <zeeshan> :D
[05:54:40] <zeeshan> this is what was expected of the material, and an apparatus I BUILT!!! is giving the correct result!
[05:54:43] <zeeshan> yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[05:55:29] <XXCoder> way to go
[05:56:14] <zeeshan> ty :D
[05:56:22] <Erant> So, hysteresis?
[05:58:08] <zeeshan> yes
[06:08:45] <zeeshan> so tired!!!!!1
[06:20:46] <Jymmm> ha, not even close zeeshan, not even close
[06:21:53] <Jymmm> Mt shoulder hurts, my back hurts, my knees are screaming, and my ankle is wrapped in an ace bandage.
[06:22:47] <Jymmm> I move any part of my body, and it's like I'm a sound effects machine. lol
[06:23:07] <Jymmm> And on that note... g'night
[06:23:19] * XXCoder is glad he is deaf.
[06:35:28] <archivist> zeeshan, next you can consider suspension springs in pendulum clocks
[06:36:13] <archivist> which adds the problem of long term stability to that elasticity and viscosity
[06:37:43] <MrSunshine> anyone has any tips on what type of grease is recommended for ballscrews ?
[06:37:44] <archivist> you get small sudden changes in timing at random during the life of the spring, internal changes/cracking/crystal boundary changes
[06:38:04] <MrSunshine> i do not want it to drip as the ballscrew is above the table .. but the one i use is like super sticky and stringy
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[07:24:09] <MrSunshine> hmm with gaskets one should be able to hold down quite small parts on a vacuum table right? =)
[07:24:30] <MrSunshine> have to try .. would be neat to be able to do a job with 90x700mm parts using the vacuum also =)
[07:24:33] <XXCoder> with my experence with vacuum so far, tape it down too
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[07:26:34] <archivist> tape can be a real mess too
[07:27:53] <XXCoder> I used to run haas big router machine
[07:28:10] <XXCoder> used vacuum hold system, had to use wd40 and tapes
[07:28:11] <XXCoder> it sucked
[07:28:26] <MrSunshine> sheets i hold just fine
[07:28:36] <MrSunshine> even down to half a vacuum zone
[07:28:38] <MrSunshine> without gaskets
[07:28:51] <XXCoder> your vacuum system must be better
[07:29:06] <XXCoder> other thing I had to use is big rubber sheets
[07:29:20] <XXCoder> they probably ordered it from certain catalog or something :P
[07:29:23] <XXCoder> jk
[07:29:36] <MrSunshine> was hoping to be able to be able to cut out a small jig with stops for the parts and put in like 4 at a time without having to mess with alot of clamps =)
[07:31:36] <XXCoder> thats postive thing about vacuum system
[07:39:36] <MrSunshine> mm, then just mask of the unused area of the zones with plastic or something =)
[07:39:47] <MrSunshine> gonna have to try i guess =)
[07:40:00] <XXCoder> yeah easy enough
[07:40:26] <XXCoder> use tapes to seal in covers for unused areas
[07:47:08] <MrSunshine> some kind of friction surface to add would be nice ... like the trackpads or something =)
[07:47:19] <MrSunshine> but do not have a source of those around here =)
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[07:48:08] <archivist> I found the double sided tape bent the sheet item on removal
[07:49:52] <MrSunshine> been using it some when engraving and it can be a pita to get lose
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[07:50:50] <Deejay> moin
[07:54:02] <ssi> moan
[07:57:16] <XXCoder> moon
[07:57:24] <Deejay> moo ;)
[07:57:29] <XXCoder> mow
[08:04:40] <XXCoder> such a stupid joke but I keep laughing
[08:04:41] <XXCoder> http://lolnein.com/2015/06/30/howtosellacar/
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[08:52:37] <anomynous> thats a good joke
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[09:17:27] <Jymmm> Ya'll are WAY too easily amused
[09:18:07] <Jymmm> LOOK! There's a rock
[09:19:57] <Jymmm> ...and ANOTHER rock!
[09:21:04] <ssi> too many rocks
[09:23:38] <Jymmm> LICK EM
[09:24:09] <ssi> wat
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[09:24:12] <ssi> don't wanna
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[09:30:56] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[09:31:15] <ssi> don't wanna
[09:31:35] <XXCoder> there is people who drink their urine daily for health
[09:31:35] <XXCoder> hah
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[10:03:04] <chuckbob> Hey guys, question... Where do I find the mesa blacklist file in 2.7.2... I have a 4i65 card that seems to be blacklisted in pncconf
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[10:06:34] <archivist> never heard of a blacklist, use a better word
[10:07:42] <chuckbob> well, from what i remember from years before, the pncconf.py file had a list of supported mesa boards, and a list of ignored boards
[10:08:06] <chuckbob> big problem is, I have been so far removed from linuxcnc for a couple of years, I can't even find the pncconf.py file
[10:08:30] <chuckbob> I just clean installed 2.7.0 and upgraded to 2.7.2
[10:11:20] <XXCoder> and your mesa board is still unsupported?
[10:11:30] <chuckbob> yes, I have a 4i65 and a 4i69
[10:11:34] <chuckbob> both unsupported
[10:11:50] <chuckbob> I have a 5i20 also, but this is a single board computer pci 104
[10:12:12] <chuckbob> But, I am pretty sure that in 2.6, the 4i65 was supported
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[10:54:44] <chuckbob> guess I'll go back to 2.6 and see what's up
[10:56:36] <anomynous> Jymmm, your humor on the other hand didn't amuse me. Such vulgar jokes.
[10:56:54] <XXCoder> dont get your rocks off
[10:57:10] <anomynous> what rocks?
[10:57:27] <XXCoder> thought your comment was to Jymmm's recent comments
[10:57:35] <anomynous> it was
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[11:05:15] <jthornton> morning
[11:05:25] <Tecan> tea time
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[11:28:40] * jthornton just got ftp and cron to work to upload to my website at night when free :)
[11:29:31] <XXCoder> when bandwidth is free?
[11:29:46] <XXCoder> nice idea though, fastest time to upload too
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[11:32:53] <jthornton> yea unmetered at night
[11:33:41] <jthornton> hmm my test cron didn't work
[11:33:59] <XXCoder> we need more isps
[11:34:06] <XXCoder> comeition
[11:34:14] <XXCoder> here we got comcast and...
[11:35:07] <jthornton> out in the woods I have to look up to the southern sky for internet
[11:35:57] <jthornton> another failed plan of the prez runs down the highway 1.6 miles from my house and is connected to nothing at each end
[11:38:48] <XXCoder> fun
[11:41:04] <jthornton> I wonder if you have to close the crontab before it works
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[11:45:56] <XXCoder> maybe
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[11:47:27] <jthornton> yep that worked
[11:49:56] <XXCoder> cool
[12:04:53] <jthornton> yea unmetered is 12am to 5am so I'll upload all my stuff then
[12:29:50] * jthornton wonders if a 5i25 works in a PCI Express X16 slot???
[12:30:26] <malcom2073> I thought 5i25 was pci, 6i25 was pcie?
[12:31:24] <jthornton> ah yes the 6i25 is pcie x1 it seems
[12:31:38] <malcom2073> Which will work in a x16 slot if I remember correctly
[12:32:52] <MarkusBec> it will work
[12:32:59] <jthornton> ok, the motherboard I got has pcie x16 and 2 x1 slots
[12:34:28] <jthornton> i just found a photo of the pci and pcie slots next to each other so it makes sense now
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[13:10:19] <anomynous_> crispy waffle!
[13:10:35] <anomynous_> CRISPY WAFFLE!
[13:11:03] <Jymmm> hockey puck?
[13:11:07] <anomynous_> no
[13:11:09] <anomynous_> waffles
[13:11:29] <Jymmm> EXTRA crispy waffle (burnt) == Hockey puck =)
[13:12:15] <Jymmm> Bacon waffle?
[13:12:31] <anomynous_> you werent awake during classes that spoke about different materials. Crispy waffles are tasty, and plastic/gum is not. Also waffles are not machined prior to chewing.
[13:13:00] <Jymmm> bacon crumbled into the batter =)
[13:16:02] <Jymmm> Hmmmm, bacon and jalepenos in a corn meal waffle batter, topped with two fried eggs and salsa verde?
[13:16:43] <Jymmm> touch of sugar or honey in the batter
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[13:53:38] <_methods> wow taht sounds good
[14:04:04] <Jymmm> _methods: Could use quality chorizo instead
[14:12:42] <_methods> mmmm
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[14:55:35] <R2E4> Mornin, anyone around?
[14:56:03] <zeeshan> noper
[14:56:03] <duc> Somewhat
[14:56:03] <zeeshan> :]
[14:57:39] <PetefromTn_> mornin
[14:59:41] <zeeshan> Morning pete
[14:59:47] <zeeshan> ahh interviews get me nervous
[14:59:54] <zeeshan> cause of the unexpected q's :P
[15:00:35] <PetefromTn_> why would the smartest safest engineer in the world worry about a simple interview ;)
[15:01:00] <zeeshan> haha
[15:01:20] <zeeshan> no working lathe means no confidence
[15:01:27] <zeeshan> life is incomplete
[15:01:41] <PetefromTn_> tell me about it
[15:02:23] <PetefromTn_> I was bridgeporting some more Rx7 irons yesterday over at Addicted
[15:03:06] <PetefromTn_> and I somehow managed to blow a nice sharp tiny piece of cast iron swarf into my eye PAST my safety glasses with compressed air LOL Hurts like a BITCH!
[15:04:40] <_methods> ouch
[15:06:10] <PetefromTn_> ouch indeed
[15:07:18] <PetefromTn_> I especially like the part where you wake up the next day and your eye is stuck shut with crusties that part is lots of fun.
[15:08:29] <duc> Has the other eye closed also yet
[15:08:54] <PetefromTn_> hehe nope
[15:09:25] <_methods> you go to the dr?
[15:10:15] <_methods> eyes, face, hands, feet are nothing to mess with things can go bad quick
[15:10:18] <PetefromTn_> no honestly I think I got it out and just scratched my eye which usually heals in two days or so... if it does not get better I will go
[15:10:41] <PetefromTn_> ask me how I know this LOL
[15:11:09] <_methods> hehe well if you work in a machine shop and you've never had metal stuck in your eye.......you must be an engineer
[15:11:24] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[15:11:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have had to go to an eye dr. like three or four times over the years even tho I try to always wear safety glasses
[15:12:51] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say that the little US made pencil grinder I bought used with a BUNCH of carbide cutters makes short work of those cast iron bits
[15:12:58] <PetefromTn_> and it is very conrtrollable
[15:13:07] <PetefromTn_> tr
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[15:22:33] <PetefromTn_> hmm gotta pick a Chrismas Ringtone ;)
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[15:31:54] <Erant> I had metal stuck in my eye when I was young, had a nice little rust ring around it when they got it out.
[15:32:03] <Erant> Had to scoop out a bit of my eye to get all the rust.
[15:32:31] <Erant> Nothing recent though.
[15:32:37] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah I had the same thing
[15:32:47] <PetefromTn_> that was the worst one
[15:33:02] <PetefromTn_> had to wear a patch and put some ooze in it for several days
[15:33:11] <PetefromTn_> was not too fun
[15:34:50] <PetefromTn_> Hey guys got a PC question for you AGAIN. I decided I have a bunch to do on this build so waiting for the slow boat from china is okay for the picopsu power supply is gonna be okay
[15:35:15] <PetefromTn_> so I am getting this main board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=Q1900M_pro3-_-13-157-565-_-Product
[15:35:39] <PetefromTn_> will this power supply fit it?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200W-24pin-mini-ITX-DC-ATX-car-power-supply-w-16-24V-DC-wide-range-input-F-pc-/301047784739?hash=item4617d8a523:g:m1gAAOxycmBSsyLD
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[15:36:47] <PetefromTn_> the newegg picture of the board shows just 24 pin ATX power connector
[15:38:01] <PetefromTn_> but I am no expert with PC stuff so I wanted to get some input before I order one.
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[15:48:21] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: chinese stuff scares me :(
[15:48:29] <zeeshan> but that is so nice and compact
[15:49:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah I agree but will it fit?
[15:49:34] <zeeshan> why not
[15:49:35] <zeeshan> its 24 pin atx
[15:49:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah but the board says micro ATX and the pps says mini atx?
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[15:52:00] <zeeshan> mini and micro just determine the board size
[15:52:04] <zeeshan> the connector is samew
[15:52:13] <zeeshan> "ATX" is related to the power supply requirements
[15:52:18] <PetefromTn_> ok thats what I kinda figured but I was not sue
[15:52:30] <PetefromTn_> sure
[15:52:30] <zeeshan> have you come across a 24vdc version
[15:52:32] <zeeshan> that is proper?
[15:52:38] <zeeshan> or do they not exist
[15:52:41] <PetefromTn_> proper?
[15:52:43] <zeeshan> cause ive been hunting for parts
[15:52:46] <zeeshan> yea like "meanwell"
[15:52:50] <zeeshan> or something like that type of brand
[15:55:21] <zeeshan> i think im just going to mount a regular power supply
[15:55:47] <zeeshan> it shouldnt be a lot of work to put it in a pendant box
[15:55:56] <zeeshan> annoying part is machining the cutout..
[15:56:07] * zeeshan did it with a dremel cutting disc tool
[15:56:07] <zeeshan> :D
[15:56:21] <PetefromTn_> I don't mind all of that I just thought this would be easier and kinda neet.
[15:56:45] <zeeshan> lemme tell you my thoughts about it
[15:56:49] <zeeshan> and they might be overthinking it
[15:57:00] <zeeshan> but im thinking like this, if you have a 24vdc supply, and for some reason it seeks a voltage spike
[15:57:07] <zeeshan> whether its cause of a switching inductive load or whatever
[15:57:19] <zeeshan> and somehow that managed to get through to the 24vdc to atx buck converter thing
[15:57:26] <zeeshan> and it didnt have proper protection built in, then you fry your motherboard
[15:57:39] <zeeshan> frying your motherboard isn't a big deal cause you could replace it
[15:57:48] <zeeshan> but frying the job you were working on would annoy
[15:58:09] <zeeshan> back whjen i was doing the lathe stepper swap
[15:58:21] <zeeshan> i never used to give importance to scrapping a work piece because of missed step etc
[15:58:34] <zeeshan> but man, some of the stuff ive worked on the lathe, ive put hours into
[15:58:43] <zeeshan> would suck ass if you'd scrap it over a $50 electrical component
[15:59:00] <zeeshan> i remember i was doing some wheel boring work on the mill
[15:59:16] <zeeshan> and th inking "man if this machine screwed up now, i'd scrap the wheel and i'd have to somehow replace this guys wheels"
[15:59:17] <zeeshan> lol
[16:00:03] <PetefromTn_> that's a bit extreme I think
[16:00:17] <zeeshan> :P
[16:01:54] <zeeshan> did i tell you i accidently typed g0 x...
[16:02:09] <zeeshan> and my .75" cutter went through a piece of aluminum at 200 ipm
[16:02:12] <zeeshan> around .3 doc?
[16:02:29] <zeeshan> around .375 woc
[16:02:34] <PetefromTn_> heh shit happens
[16:02:37] <zeeshan> IT CUT IT!!
[16:02:37] <zeeshan> lol
[16:02:52] <PetefromTn_> aluminum is butter soft generally I am not surprised
[16:02:55] <zeeshan> buut it got me thinking
[16:03:04] <PetefromTn_> I have done things like that accidentally
[16:03:05] <zeeshan> gotta be super careful when running bigger indexable cutters
[16:03:13] <zeeshan> cause if you have a super hard crash
[16:03:18] <zeeshan> you'll break stuff
[16:03:38] <zeeshan> like at the old job, someone went into the spindle with the jaws of a vise
[16:03:42] <zeeshan> had to replace the spindle
[16:04:10] <zeeshan> is that motherboard the best one youve found?
[16:04:11] <zeeshan> for the buck
[16:04:20] <PetefromTn_> I once ran my 1/2 inch finisher thru 7/8 deep full width 6061 when I forgot to cutoff my stock to length and it was running 5000RPM.... It bogged down for a second but before I could stop it it had run all the way thru
[16:04:40] <zeeshan> haha
[16:05:00] <zeeshan> now i limit my g0
[16:05:02] <zeeshan> to stop these things
[16:05:05] <zeeshan> when using mdi..
[16:05:09] <PetefromTn_> the motherboard is one Tom is using and seemed to get good results from
[16:05:50] <PetefromTn_> he is also using the picopsu setup type so I was thinking I might try it as well.
[16:05:54] <PetefromTn_> still not sure
[16:08:01] <zeeshan> im looking to order 2 of these things
[16:08:08] <zeeshan> cause i need to upgrade my mill comp -- tooslow
[16:08:19] <zeeshan> cpu mark says the j1900 gets a score of 1885
[16:08:37] <zeeshan> my other computer that i think is fast gets a score of 6462
[16:08:44] <zeeshan> and the cade computer has a score of 10500
[16:08:47] <zeeshan> *cad
[16:09:04] <zeeshan> im wondering if theres something for say $150
[16:09:11] <zeeshan> and is at least 5000 on the score board
[16:12:01] <zeeshan> wait now that i think about it
[16:12:08] <zeeshan> my dad's work computers that i helped setup for him
[16:12:10] <zeeshan> are pretty quick!
[16:12:15] <zeeshan> and they are j1900
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[16:24:00] <PetefromTn_> I am more concerned with suitability to running linuxCNC than outright performance but I honeslty don't know much about PC stuff overall.
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[16:38:14] <bobo_> Pete stuck in Tn can I muddy up the Pc board quest some more ?
[16:39:42] <PetefromTn_> shoot
[16:39:47] <bobo_> noticed on Tuesday that PCW linked a 12volt Bd.
[16:40:08] <bobo_> back in m
[16:42:07] <bobo_> Pete the 12volt Bd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157495&cm_re=j1900-_-13-157-495-_-Product
[16:43:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah I saw it
[16:44:06] <bobo_> my looking at
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDwQFjADahUKEwiMy7eL3f7IAhVIw2MKHWUaBEI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux.com%2Fnews%2Fembedded-mobile%2Fmobile-linux%2F795919-is-the-asrock-q1900dc-itx-motherboard-a-good-arm-sbc-alternative%2F&usg=AFQjCNH754nemJ-B1sN2x-S7LKPnVlLHdg
[16:44:33] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkeDBwsIaZw I like how this girl sings
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[16:47:14] <bobo_> reading that ,it noted that the Bd uses a 12volt DC input and also has termals with wire connectors for haard drive etc
[16:49:39] <bobo_> if that is correct than to power the board all that would be needed is a single 12volt DC source
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[16:53:31] <anomynous_> you have 10 options. Either you get a 12v dc source or you don't.
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[16:53:55] <PetefromTn_> heh
[16:54:08] <PetefromTn_> it would be nice to not have to
[16:54:31] <bobo_> a 12 volt DC source could be a laptop Pwr "brick" which use 120V AC and output a DC voltage
[16:54:38] <Guest11382> i am unfamiliar with blender...is it possible to use it as a modeling program for machining on a mill?
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[16:55:44] <PetefromTn_> Guest11382 I have played with blender and it is a very powerful graphical program but less than Ideal for solid modeling for machining IMHO. But yeah it could be done
[16:56:15] <anomynous_> i guess... you want to be artistic
[16:56:32] <brandon222> ok, thanks
[16:57:00] <brandon222> suggestion on any good open source cam software?
[16:57:03] <anomynous_> iirc there was a cad package thing. i tried it shortly, but i cant use it
[16:57:06] <bobo_> laptop Pwr "brick" should be cheap ,and are pretty good as far as regulation
[16:57:08] <anomynous_> open source? No.
[16:57:16] <anomynous_> Fusion 360 seems nice
[16:57:23] <anomynous_> and its free for enhusiasts
[16:58:36] <zeeshan> hi bobo
[16:58:37] <anomynous_> and if you have excess cash and you want a deluxe solution, you can buy solidworks.
[16:59:07] <anomynous_> or... what was it. alibre with its new name
[16:59:08] <PetefromTn_> LOL LOTS OF excess cash
[16:59:08] <bobo_> Hi Mr zeeshan sir
[16:59:12] <zeeshan> you dont need excessive cash
[16:59:13] <anomynous_> PetefromTn_, 4k
[16:59:13] <anomynous_> ;D
[16:59:16] <zeeshan> just get a student license
[16:59:19] <anomynous_> alibre is cheaper i think
[16:59:19] <brandon222> is it typically available in package/software managers? or does it need to be compiled or repo added?
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[16:59:36] <anomynous_> zeeshan, is it available for hobbyists
[16:59:42] <zeeshan> no
[16:59:49] <zeeshan> but it's not hard to get a student version
[16:59:53] <zeeshan> its like $90
[16:59:57] <zeeshan> full loaded
[16:59:57] <brandon222> my question was regarding fusion360
[17:00:06] <zeeshan> your dwg will have a "student version" on it though
[17:00:15] <anomynous_> brandon222, fusion isnt for linux
[17:00:15] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: that sound is nice
[17:00:20] <anomynous_> for windows and mac only, i think
[17:00:23] <zeeshan> never heard of london grammar before
[17:00:38] <anomynous_> theres a thread for linux support but im not holding my breath
[17:00:48] <zeeshan> when i look at cad and cam, i think of it as an investment in your future
[17:00:55] <PetefromTn_> me neither but she sure can sing
[17:01:00] <brandon222> ahh, well, i was hoping to find a linux compatible setup for modeling and then also CAM software. just getting info
[17:01:05] <zeeshan> if you're going through the painstaking process of learning cad/cam software to an advanced level
[17:01:19] <zeeshan> you might as well learn something that is being used in industry because you become more valuable
[17:01:33] <zeeshan> like i came across a couple jobs that require catia
[17:01:40] <zeeshan> and i have like 2 months exp w/ catia
[17:01:45] <zeeshan> i can't apply to those jobs =/
[17:01:55] <brandon222> well, im looking at free/opensource options for hobby at the moment. we use solidworks and mastercam at work right now. just looking at other options for myself at home
[17:02:02] <zeeshan> then that's a no brainerr
[17:02:05] <zeeshan> you want to use fusion 360
[17:02:40] <brandon222> not into anything in particular yet, but researching to possibly kick off some sort of garage hobby. just wanna get ideas of what works for now and then start looking at either a laser and or small mill of some sort
[17:02:53] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye8GDZaQ34o
[17:03:07] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: we're noobs
[17:03:14] <zeeshan> that last vid got 25 million hits
[17:03:22] <zeeshan> living under a cnc machine. :(
[17:03:33] <PetefromTn_> probably
[17:03:46] <anomynous_> zeeshan, sure buy gibbscam for 20k as an investment to your future ;D just kiddying
[17:03:49] <PetefromTn_> she kinda reminds me of annie lennox in her voice range
[17:04:35] <zeeshan> learn cad properly
[17:04:40] <zeeshan> otherwise you'll turn into a john nycnc
[17:04:42] <zeeshan> :{
[17:04:44] * zeeshan hides
[17:04:48] <bobo_> Also, zeeshan's friend John S is featuring youtube stuff on learning fusion 360
[17:04:52] <brandon222> properly how do you mean?
[17:04:53] <zeeshan> hahahaha
[17:05:14] <zeeshan> brandon222: constraints, how to sketch
[17:05:31] <zeeshan> like rarely do you ever need to start your sketch at the bottom left corner
[17:05:34] <zeeshan> that's old autocad techniques
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[17:05:43] <zeeshan> make your model completely parametric
[17:05:48] <zeeshan> so design changes are easy to do
[17:06:00] <brandon222> ok, ill keep that in mind.
[17:06:05] <zeeshan> easy way to check if a model is proper is go back 4 steps
[17:06:14] <zeeshan> and change a generic od dimension or hole placement
[17:06:21] <zeeshan> if it breaks everything, its not proper
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[17:07:20] <zeeshan> i think i need to learn fusion 360
[17:07:27] <zeeshan> i can see it being used by many in the future
[17:07:41] <PetefromTn_> I sort of agree with that sentiment
[17:07:55] <anomynous_> theres no shortcut keys! EEP
[17:07:57] <zeeshan> it might not make it to the big eng companies
[17:07:59] <anomynous_> i just hate it
[17:08:00] <anomynous_> ;D
[17:08:02] <brandon222> fusion360 run ok on windoze10?
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[17:08:07] <anomynous_> try it
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[17:08:11] <zeeshan> but small customers might be using it
[17:08:12] <R2E4> hi all
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[17:09:18] <R2E4> I am using inventor 2015
[17:09:27] <R2E4> Whats the diff with fusion 360?
[17:10:03] <zeeshan> bunch of things
[17:10:09] <zeeshan> fusion360 is clooud, based
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[17:10:26] <zeeshan> i dont have seen positional reps in fusion360
[17:10:31] <zeeshan> (i cant live without em!)
[17:10:33] <zeeshan> or ilogic
[17:11:11] <zeeshan> last time i checked fusion360 wasn't parametric
[17:11:19] <R2E4> akkkkkk
[17:11:24] <zeeshan> but one cool thing about it that i havent seen in other modelling software is
[17:11:29] <zeeshan> time dependant constraints
[17:11:40] <R2E4> how does that work?
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[17:11:56] <zeeshan> so like if you mate 3 surfaces to fully constrain a part
[17:12:19] <R2E4> yeah....
[17:12:19] <zeeshan> it remembers the time you did it
[17:12:25] <R2E4> oh
[17:12:37] <zeeshan> usually in software there is no time dependence
[17:12:41] <zeeshan> it doesnt know the order in time!
[17:12:51] <R2E4> why wuld you care other than to be able to back up to that time
[17:12:52] <zeeshan> so if you break one, its very hard to figure out which one caused it
[17:13:12] <zeeshan> the time dependence you could figure it out quicker
[17:13:36] <R2E4> its just a matter of time......pun intended
[17:14:04] <zeeshan> some other major changes you might notice
[17:14:06] <zeeshan> right away......
[17:14:12] <R2E4> no parametric modeling is a show stopper
[17:14:13] <zeeshan> no design accelerator, no bolted connections
[17:14:26] <zeeshan> can't handle more than 5000 parts
[17:14:33] <zeeshan> no fea
[17:14:49] <zeeshan> i would check the latest rev if it has parametric, cause i know it was on their road map
[17:14:54] <zeeshan> it might be parametric
[17:15:12] <zeeshan> there's no gd&t in the dwg
[17:15:16] <R2E4> the questions is can it handle tow motors on one axis......
[17:15:18] <zeeshan> i haven't seen auxilary views or breakout views
[17:15:27] <zeeshan> havent seen sheet metal either
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[17:15:35] <zeeshan> or piping and routing
[17:15:53] <zeeshan> you know what the problem is?
[17:15:57] <zeeshan> you try this new bad ass software
[17:16:03] <R2E4> TBK, same story from 5 years ago, when i built my first cnc router gantry style, I had to go to Mach3 cause gantrykins wasnt working
[17:16:09] <zeeshan> you invest time learning it, and you find out its missing a shit load of features
[17:16:19] <zeeshan> it was like me learning nx cam, boy that shit is hard to use
[17:16:23] <R2E4> yeah, thats a bitch
[17:16:32] <zeeshan> nx cam is super customizable
[17:16:34] <zeeshan> making it super hard to use
[17:16:39] <R2E4> inventor HSM is not all that either
[17:16:39] <zeeshan> mastercam so easy to use
[17:17:02] <zeeshan> i honestly haven't tried to learn inventor hsm -- i see awesome videos of it making parts
[17:17:06] <zeeshan> but i dont wanna get in the same hole
[17:17:10] <zeeshan> make a new post processor
[17:17:14] <R2E4> its ok, but I demo'd a cam for inventor and it blew HSM away...
[17:17:16] <zeeshan> and bam it doesnt have basic things
[17:17:25] <zeeshan> which one?
[17:17:57] <R2E4> It was 9 grand, so I didnt pursue it but WOW, it was amazing..... I'm trying think which one
[17:18:06] <zeeshan> one thing i think you'll never see fusion360 in an eng place
[17:18:14] <zeeshan> is beause there's no vault!!
[17:18:16] <zeeshan> or pdm works
[17:18:26] <zeeshan> (rev tracking systems)
[17:18:35] <zeeshan> solidcam?
[17:19:23] <zeeshan> im stuck on inventor 2013 at work and one thing that royally annoys me every single day i work
[17:19:38] <zeeshan> is the fact that assembly mode has no "mid plane" method of generating a reference plane
[17:19:42] <zeeshan> it exists in the part modelling
[17:19:43] <R2E4> Maybe it was solidCam, I'd have to check
[17:19:45] <zeeshan> but not in assembly
[17:19:52] <zeeshan> so frustrating. solidworks had it since 2006!!!
[17:20:19] <zeeshan> R2E4: you have routers
[17:20:22] <zeeshan> have you heard of axyz?
[17:20:39] <R2E4> whats axyz?
[17:20:43] <zeeshan> i had a phone interview with them today and got called in for an interview in person
[17:20:47] <zeeshan> they make some high end routers
[17:20:52] <zeeshan> i was googling about them
[17:21:00] <zeeshan> seem famous in sign making industry
[17:21:02] <zeeshan> and panel building
[17:21:05] <zeeshan> *seen
[17:21:50] <zeeshan> i noticed er32 spindles :D
[17:22:26] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you there?
[17:22:30] <R2E4> yeah, they have nice stuff
[17:22:30] <zeeshan> have you heard of lana del rey?
[17:23:12] <R2E4> the music band?
[17:23:20] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRWox-i6aAk video is a bit explicit :P
[17:23:49] <R2E4> shes hot
[17:23:54] <zeeshan> haha
[17:24:05] <zeeshan> for some reason i rarely hear her on the radio
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[17:25:04] <R2E4> I dont know what I am going to do with this router.....
[17:25:21] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan yeah sorta why?
[17:25:44] <R2E4> I have to try and get joint_axes implemented and try that
[17:25:53] <R2E4> Gantrykins not working right
[17:26:01] <zeeshan> what are you doing with it
[17:26:03] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: just wondering
[17:26:13] <R2E4> The same old story that has been around for 5 years, two motors on one axis
[17:26:30] <R2E4> hiya Pete
[17:27:03] <zeeshan> haha
[17:27:08] <zeeshan> cant you just put them on the same driver
[17:27:11] <zeeshan> so they do the exact same th ing
[17:27:16] <R2E4> servos
[17:27:59] <R2E4> I hardwired my steppers so what ever goes out to one it gets sent to the opther
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[17:28:38] <R2E4> HEy Zeehan: you know how to use git to get a branch?
[17:29:37] <zeeshan> so you can compile it?
[17:29:59] <R2E4> yeah
[17:30:21] <zeeshan> use git clone
[17:30:29] <R2E4> I have to find it, its not documented, and blablabla
[17:30:37] <zeeshan> git clone url
[17:30:46] <R2E4> I can clone the linuxCNC
[17:30:57] <R2E4> but that doesnt have the branches I dont think
[17:31:24] <zeeshan> whats the link
[17:32:00] <zeeshan> like if its a linxucnc branch
[17:32:10] <zeeshan> git branch -a to list the branchs
[17:32:35] <PetefromTn_> thats nice too zeeshan
[17:32:53] <R2E4> https://github.com/curtdutt/linuxcnc
[17:33:22] <R2E4> thats the guy, dont know if it is an official branch
[17:33:37] <Jymmm> for remote in `git branch -r`; do git branch --track $remote; done
[17:33:37] <Jymmm> git fetch --all
[17:33:37] <Jymmm> git pull --all
[17:35:38] <zeeshan> R2E4: your problem is basically this
[17:35:48] <zeeshan> that you need to send the same commands to both servos
[17:35:58] <zeeshan> and independantly evaluate their feedback?
[17:36:07] <R2E4> that can be done in trivkins no problem
[17:36:15] <R2E4> the feedback is the issue
[17:36:48] <zeeshan> so Trivkins doesnt have a provision for feedback for close the position loop?
[17:37:23] <R2E4> yes, trivkins is the normal everyday keneitics for XYZ whatever.
[17:37:49] <R2E4> when you have 4 joints and three axis
[17:37:59] <zeeshan> oh like for a robot
[17:38:01] <zeeshan> joint mode
[17:38:05] <zeeshan> or wcs mode
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[17:38:45] <R2E4> sending to two servos on same axis is no problem, but getting the feedback from two different servos on same axis 2 joints
[17:39:51] <R2E4> gantrykins and gentrivkins has issues,
[17:40:46] <zeeshan> my issue with 2 servos per axis is
[17:40:52] <zeeshan> how do you check for binding
[17:41:04] <zeeshan> so one servo is 0.5 rev ahead of the other
[17:41:17] <zeeshan> because one screw has more friction or something
[17:41:58] <pcw_home> You can use the near component and fault if out of sync
[17:42:01] <R2E4> my router with steppers dont have a problem
[17:42:09] <zeeshan> PCW: ah
[17:42:38] <zeeshan> so then really you only need to be sending one command to both servos
[17:42:40] <R2E4> sum the two and take the diff?
[17:42:46] <zeeshan> and calculating the error between the feedbacks
[17:42:51] <zeeshan> and only using one feedback
[17:43:02] <R2E4> you cant do that,
[17:43:18] <zeeshan> why
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[17:43:45] <R2E4> because you slaved the two servos, so what your sending to one goes to the other
[17:44:22] <R2E4> hi Pete
[17:44:34] <awallin> anyonw know if there are tormach webcasts going on now or later today?
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[17:45:25] <PetefromTn_> hey R2
[17:45:43] <R2E4> I am going to try getting the joint_axes branch but I heard it doesnt fix everything
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[17:46:53] <awallin> ah here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3FVtrJ8U91iODq5motHMow
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[17:47:08] <Deejay> re
[17:47:18] <awallin> python machinetalk bindings, HAL-multicore
[17:48:47] <pcw_home> I think the current issue with dual motor gantries is that homing doesn't work well
[17:49:04] <zeeshan> why
[17:49:59] <R2E4> Yeah, I am ok with it not working well, I wont use it. THe problem is you can inadvertantly jog in joint mode or free mode and it will jog only one joint of the Y axis
[17:49:59] <zeeshan> i got questioned "how would your friends describe you in one word"
[17:50:02] <zeeshan> my reply
[17:50:10] <zeeshan> "more than one word: always in the garage"
[17:50:14] <zeeshan> lol
[17:50:18] <zeeshan> i made the interviewer laugh :D
[17:50:29] <zeeshan> hopefully that was an appropriate answer, cause its true!
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[17:51:30] <R2E4> Isnt the machinekit bindings using encoder raw data to home?
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[17:59:57] <PetefromTn_> Ok here's the deal.... I am gonna get a larger din rail mounted 24v power supply and that adapter and if it suXX I will just get a typical PC power supply ;)
[18:00:41] <zeeshan> which din 24v supply
[18:01:31] <R2E4> Did you check out the automation direct din power supplies?
[18:04:10] <anomynous_> you have 10 options. You either get one or the other or then you just get both.
[18:05:11] <anomynous_> get it? Haha.
[18:06:04] <pcw_home> If you dont need special dual joint homing not sure tha gantrykins is needed
[18:07:22] <bobo_> PetefromTn: try for Siemans 6ep1334-3ba00
[18:08:12] <anomynous_> it was funny in binary. It's not funny in ternary.
[18:08:30] <anomynous_> hey is thats correct term
[18:08:33] <anomynous_> for base 3
[18:08:39] <anomynous_> idk
[18:08:44] <anomynous_> good night :)
[18:09:02] <renesis> wtf base 3 noooo
[18:09:07] <anomynous_> gotcha
[18:09:08] <anomynous_> ;D
[18:09:13] <renesis> trinary i think?
[18:09:27] <renesis> ive actually seen that before but i dunno if its right
[18:10:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have looked at the rhino's and the puls and others
[18:10:29] <renesis> charlieplexing is kind of like trinary
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[18:11:28] <Erant> PetefromTn_: How much current do you need?
[18:11:49] <PetefromTn_> sitting here eating chips and dip enjoying some Nora Jones while I search the net for power supplies. All is right with the world!!
[18:11:52] <PetefromTn_> :D
[18:12:06] <Erant> I bought some DIRT cheap PSUs a while back from a sale (36VDC @ 13A, ~$20 each)
[18:12:34] <R2E4> pcw_home: I think I am ok with the servo cmd's but what to do with the encoders?
[18:12:39] <Erant> Each of my servos got their own. "You get a PSU, and you get a PSU, and you get a PSU!"
[18:12:52] <PetefromTn_> I need a 24v and would like something like 240watt I think
[18:13:01] <Erant> Lemme see if they're still selling
[18:14:27] <R2E4> thats 10 amps
[18:14:34] <Erant> Oh, yeah, looks like it.
http://www.galco.com/shop/Acme-Electric-Switching-Power-Supplies
[18:14:42] <awallin> those din-mounted SMPS's are quite problematic in sensitive instrumentation setups... lots and lots of common-mode noise..
[18:15:00] <Erant> My mistake, I didn't pay $20.
[18:15:04] <Erant> I paid $14.40
[18:16:16] <Erant> Though for some reason it looks like the one you'd want is like $70 :/
[18:17:11] <Erant> They're all still dirt cheap, and DIN rail mountable.
[18:17:56] <Erant> And I can't really complain, paying $14 for a giant honking PSU
[18:18:22] <PetefromTn_> I like glaco
[18:18:27] <PetefromTn_> galco
[18:19:40] <Erant> I like them too, they sold me 15lbs of power supply for $50 shipped ;)
[18:19:55] <Erant> Sorry, I was unreasonably excited when I found them.
[18:20:28] <ReadError> general question
[18:20:34] <Erant> general answer
[18:20:36] <ReadError> got some steppers (nema8 hollow shafts)
[18:20:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah and you get a chocolate bar with em LOL
[18:20:45] <ReadError> voltage rating....
[18:20:52] <ReadError> I figured it would be by current or watts?
[18:21:11] <Erant> Oh, ignore the voltage rating.
[18:21:27] <ReadError> yea never seen a voltage rating on a stepper
[18:21:33] <Erant> Because it's usually something like 3-4VDC
[18:21:38] <ReadError> except these
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[18:21:49] <ReadError> theres no encoder etc, its just a normal ole stepper
[18:22:57] <Erant> I have more than a few with a voltage rating on 'm. It's just what you end up sending through the coils at like a hold current.
[18:23:06] <zeeshan> find me a nice 24vdc din rail supply!!!
[18:23:13] <zeeshan> 10A!!
[18:23:13] <zeeshan> :P
[18:23:47] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIN-Rail-Power-Supplies-240W-24V-10A-W-PFC-function-/181914430802?hash=item2a5af1ed52:g:o4gAAOSwAYtWLvgQ
[18:24:16] <bobo_> Siemans 6ep1334-3ba00
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[18:24:48] <PetefromTn_> http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Power_Products_(Electrical)/DC_Power_Supplies/24VDC,_DIN_Rail_Mount/PSB24-240
[18:25:46] <zeeshan> YEA BABY MEANWELL
[18:26:00] <zeeshan> ive heard of rhino..
[18:26:00] <zeeshan> hmm
[18:26:23] <zeeshan> im liking the rhino design better
[18:26:31] <pcw_home> R2E4: position command goes to 2 PID comps, one per motor
[18:26:36] <PetefromTn_> seems R2 is using the RHino models I was thinking of getting that one
[18:26:41] <zeeshan> bookmarked
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[18:38:30] <zeeshan> pcw_home: hi
[18:39:58] <zeeshan> i want your take on this.. was discussing that torque control could be thought of as "varying current" for a given voltage level, while speed control could be thought of varying voltage for a current level -- do you agree or disagree?
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[18:43:08] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: does your warm up program
[18:43:10] <zeeshan> dance the axis?
[18:43:13] <zeeshan> (i forgot if you answered this)
[18:43:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah it runs across the entire travel but not the Z
[18:43:50] <zeeshan> any reason for that?
[18:43:53] <zeeshan> (the z)
[18:44:25] <PetefromTn_> well honestly I did not want to worry about having things fixtured up on the table and having to remove it so the head does not hit it for the most part
[18:44:57] <PetefromTn_> I thought about only making it run down like halfway or so but ultimately just removed the Z movements
[18:45:58] <pcw_home> Not exactly
[18:45:59] <pcw_home> in a motor, torque is directly proportional to current so current mode = torque mode
[18:46:01] <pcw_home> ( and the voltage is controlled to maintain a set current )
[18:46:03] <pcw_home> motor speed is roughly proportional to voltage
[18:46:04] <pcw_home> (and would be proportional if the motor had 0 resistance,)
[18:47:42] <pcw_home> typically motor controllers have 3 nested control loops
[18:47:44] <pcw_home> current
[18:47:45] <pcw_home> velocity
[18:47:47] <pcw_home> position
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[18:50:40] <PetefromTn_> okay done deal ordered the Rhino 240 watt 24v dc supply and that picopsu 24pin 24v power supply. Hopefully it was the right decision ;)
[18:51:01] <zeeshan> pcw_home: that clears it up pretty good
[18:51:47] <zeeshan> "Voltage mode " = speed mode? :)
[18:52:30] <zeeshan> cause now you care about keeping voltage a certain value to maintain a certain speed , but current will vary because
[18:52:45] <zeeshan> because the resistance will vary
[18:53:15] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: send me some of that money
[18:53:20] <zeeshan> you have the money spending itch today!!!
[18:53:57] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: good reason behind not moving z
[18:54:13] <archivist> are you confusing resistance with back emf
[18:54:19] <PetefromTn_> hehe I don't have the money spending itch I have the Gotta get this damn machine moving itch!!
[18:54:47] <zeeshan> archivist: i was confusing it with the resistance on the motor shaft
[18:54:51] <zeeshan> (mechanical resistance)
[18:55:07] <Erant> zeeshan: Voltage != speed
[18:55:18] <zeeshan> Erant: but it is
[18:55:20] <zeeshan> =/
[18:55:34] <zeeshan> its directly proportional
[18:55:39] <Jymmm> RAMMING SPEED!!!
[18:55:42] <archivist> only on a tacho generator :)
[18:55:53] <Erant> If I hold a shaft, is there voltage over the motor?
[18:56:05] <zeeshan> over?
[18:56:16] <Erant> So the motor's not moving, but there is still a voltage.
[18:56:30] <Erant> Voltage is over, current is through.
[18:56:33] <archivist> stalled motor
[18:56:41] <Erant> Righto
[18:57:02] <archivist> lots of amps, some volts, no speed
[18:57:04] <zeeshan> speed ~ k*back_emf / flux per pole
[18:57:15] <zeeshan> k = constant ~ = proportional
[18:58:05] <PetefromTn_> ooh I gotta order the 7i77 din rail mount kits
[18:59:17] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: send me your warm up program
[18:59:17] <zeeshan> :-)
[18:59:56] <PetefromTn_> Ok I just gotta get it out of the machine? you would have to modify it quite a bit for your machine tho LOL
[19:00:07] <zeeshan> i thoguht you had it a cop yof it
[19:00:11] * zeeshan cant type
[19:00:45] <PetefromTn_> naah I wrote it on the machine actually
[19:01:13] <PetefromTn_> just start spindle, move X and Y back and forth, put a delay in there and do it again really
[19:01:17] <zeeshan> whats the delay gcode?
[19:01:27] <PetefromTn_> P4G whataver I think
[19:01:30] <zeeshan> never used that in my life before
[19:01:31] <zeeshan> haha
[19:01:37] <zeeshan> oh
[19:01:38] <zeeshan> dwell!
[19:01:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[19:01:55] <zeeshan> lemme try writing one :D
[19:02:01] <PetefromTn_> its dirt simple
[19:05:39] <XXCoder> how vital is warm up anyway
[19:06:00] <XXCoder> and do steppers need em or?
[19:06:34] <zeeshan> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html#_looping
[19:06:41] <zeeshan> theres an error in the while endwhile exmaple
[19:06:46] <zeeshan> #1 = 1 (assign parameter #1 the value of 0)
[19:06:52] <zeeshan> dun make sense
[19:08:04] <pcw_home> In normal service, motor speed is roughly proportional to voltage
[19:08:06] <pcw_home> (motor voltage is close to back EMF) or you will fry your motor
[19:08:30] <zeeshan> when you add mechanical resistance to the motor
[19:08:35] <zeeshan> voltage tries to remain same
[19:08:42] <zeeshan> but the current will vary
[19:08:52] <zeeshan> in speed control mode?
[19:10:33] <pcw_home> as you increase the torque load,the current will go up so theres more loss in the motor electrical resistance
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[19:11:49] <zeeshan> but in the case of current mode, the current will try to stay the same
[19:11:58] <zeeshan> but the controller will try to pump more voltage
[19:12:04] <pcw_home> Yes
[19:12:04] <zeeshan> to compensate for the mechanical resistance
[19:12:27] <pcw_home> yes thats the inner loop on most servo drives
[19:14:31] <zeeshan> pete how long do you stay at a spindle rpm during warm up
[19:14:34] <zeeshan> 30 s?
[19:15:13] <PetefromTn_> I think a minute and I step up in like 1000RPM increments or 500 I can't remember total time is like 20 minutes or less
[19:15:38] <zeeshan> okay ill do a min
[19:16:56] <zeeshan> is there way to thread in g-code?
[19:17:00] <zeeshan> =D
[19:17:19] <zeeshan> programming thread, not machining thread
[19:17:46] <ssi> of course not you loon
[19:17:50] <zeeshan> :-(
[19:17:54] <ssi> :)
[19:17:57] <zeeshan> how to keep spindle moving
[19:18:02] <zeeshan> and xy moving at same time
[19:18:03] <zeeshan> ;[
[19:18:19] <zeeshan> got 60 s delay after each spindle rpm change
[19:18:24] <zeeshan> so it wont look at any code while its in delay
[19:18:47] <ssi> instead of programming a delay, program x/y axis moves that will take 60s
[19:18:53] <zeeshan> haha
[19:18:58] <zeeshan> thats a good idea
[19:19:09] <zeeshan> excellent.
[19:19:16] <ssi> if your travel is 20", program G1 X20 F3
[19:19:18] <ssi> from 0 :)
[19:19:19] <zeeshan> yes
[19:19:25] <zeeshan> that is an excellent suggestion
[19:19:43] <anomynous_> what is the practical meaning of warming up except accuracy
[19:19:56] <zeeshan> dont blow up shit
[19:20:10] <PetefromTn_> my spindle runs continuously thru the program
[19:20:30] <PetefromTn_> just ramps up at each step
[19:21:48] <zeeshan> anomynous_: one important reason is bearings life. imagine when the bearings are not warm, you have ball bearings that have a gap between the inner and outer race.
[19:22:09] <anomynous_> so machine lightly when cold
[19:22:09] <anomynous_> ;D
[19:22:09] <zeeshan> now if you introduce load to the spindle, the ball bearings will slap against the races
[19:22:22] <zeeshan> pretty much
[19:22:25] <zeeshan> thats what ive done for a long time
[19:23:06] <zeeshan> but a warm up program will remove the need to worry.
[19:23:09] <zeeshan> you can go in full blast
[19:23:25] <zeeshan> ive noticed, the more nuisances you remove from machining
[19:23:31] <zeeshan> the more fun machining is
[19:23:55] <zeeshan> it could be as simple as silly post processor not outputting things right, so you have to manually go modify crap
[19:24:07] <zeeshan> to having to lube ways manually :P
[19:24:48] <anomynous_> i just... dont like our cam's post being a binary blob
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[19:30:09] <MacGalempsy> hey gusy
[19:30:11] <MacGalempsy> guys
[19:30:18] <Sync> as long as it works anomynous_
[19:30:35] <anomynous_> well
[19:30:53] <anomynous_> Sync, it doesnt work if you have to modify it manually or write a script to modify it after posting
[19:30:57] <anomynous_> :)
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[19:34:57] <zeeshan> 10
[19:35:16] <Sync> 9
[19:37:20] <zeeshan> ssi you dork
[19:37:33] <zeeshan> G1 X20 F3 will take 6.6666 s
[19:37:36] <zeeshan> not 60 :P
[19:37:58] <XXCoder> some machines its VERY good idea to add .
[19:38:05] <XXCoder> g1 x20. f3.
[19:38:10] <zeeshan> oh shit
[19:38:13] <zeeshan> its in min :-) not s
[19:38:15] <zeeshan> Zee dork.
[19:39:02] * jdh nods
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[19:46:15] <PetefromTn_> nice...
[19:46:37] <bobo_> zeeshan: noticed a Pactical mach discussion
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/member-and-shop-photos/new-shop-machines-few-construction-pictures-included-214435/
[19:46:59] <PetefromTn_> looks like the pullies on my CNC lathe use Gates taper lock insert pullies and you can buy different inserts for different shafts. They make one in 14mm for like just over ten bucks!!
[19:49:01] <PetefromTn_> http://www.royalsupply.com/store/pc/Gates-1210-14MM-Metric-Taper-Lock-Bushing-7858-0517-p67539.htm
[19:49:11] <bobo_> was interesting about the insurance part concerning a in home shop vers business
[19:49:55] <zeeshan> Bobo summarize for me? :D
[19:49:57] <Sync> pretty expensive PetefromTn_
[19:50:03] <zeeshan> nice pete
[19:51:09] <PetefromTn_> yup gonna break the bank buying two LOL
[19:51:21] <PetefromTn_> they sure are heavy duty little bastards
[19:51:24] <bobo_> home - hobby is ok but any sales could void insurance
[19:51:31] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, never shut the machine down then you don't need to warm it up
[19:51:51] <Tom_itx> if it's down it's not making money anyway
[19:51:56] <zeeshan> :)
[19:52:00] <XXCoder> my work machines is left on 24/7
[19:52:14] <zeeshan> yea but you gotta be using it
[19:52:17] <zeeshan> it cant sit idle :P
[19:52:38] <XXCoder> machines are busy 20 hours during m-th and fri-sun 12 hurs a day
[19:52:56] <XXCoder> but even if there is no staff to run that machine its left on
[19:54:55] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/DPpkwMe.png
[19:54:57] <zeeshan> warm up program
[19:55:05] <zeeshan> having tried it :P
[19:55:30] <XXCoder> using tool 1 as ref definitely isnt suggested byt since its warm up whatever
[19:55:34] <Sync> well PetefromTn_ my industrial supplier does them for about $3
[19:55:45] <zeeshan> my tool 1 is a reference tool :p
[19:55:47] <zeeshan> thats dinky.
[19:55:56] <zeeshan> i just wanted that in there because
[19:56:01] <zeeshan> i dont wanna forget tool 6 in there
[19:56:04] <zeeshan> and run this program
[19:56:15] <zeeshan> i doubt it'll crash w/ z=1
[19:56:19] <zeeshan> but still :P
[19:56:25] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:56:36] <XXCoder> though I do wonder if steppers need warm up or not.
[19:56:44] <zeeshan> anything with a bearing
[19:56:47] <zeeshan> and way needs to be warmed
[19:56:51] <bobo_> SND (the author/writer) is in Canada and was noteing the zoning issues
[19:56:54] <zeeshan> or you can take it easy for the first 10-15 min.
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[19:58:46] <Sync> the warmup cycle on a friends okuma takes about 45 mins
[20:00:03] <Tom_itx> you pasted that as an image since you didn't wanna share the file?
[20:00:08] <zeeshan> tom yers
[20:00:10] <zeeshan> i havent test it yet
[20:00:31] <Tom_itx> i seldom test code i share :)
[20:00:36] <zeeshan> rofl
[20:01:22] <Sync> #yolo
[20:02:51] <ssi> zeeshan: watever :)
[20:07:00] <XXCoder> whoa
[20:07:01] <XXCoder> http://www.sciencealert.com/this-gif-shows-how-mind-blowingly-fast-new-horizons-is-travelling-through-space
[20:07:03] <XXCoder> fast.
[20:16:23] <zeeshan> that looks like when i look outside the window of my rx7
[20:16:27] <zeeshan> :D
[20:16:58] <XXCoder> yet compared to space, it really is slow.
[20:17:09] <XXCoder> too bad we dont have effective ion drive yet
[20:17:22] <XXCoder> let alone some real FTL
[20:17:35] <PetefromTn_> shit my van can do better than that ;)
[20:18:01] <zeeshan> haha
[20:20:25] <ssi> speed is always relative
[20:20:45] <ssi> 550mph looks slow as balls when you're staring out the window at clouds thousands of feet away and the ground seven miles away
[20:20:56] <ssi> but when you're 50' away from the ground it's a little different :)
[20:20:59] <PetefromTn_> yup like my Cinci will relatively blow away my old RF45 ;)
[20:21:42] <ssi> case in point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VtT7kZNl-s
[20:21:56] <PetefromTn_> and my new CNC Standard Modern will be a-blowin' away my old 12x36 :D
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[20:26:06] <XXCoder> lol PetefromTn_
[20:26:50] <PetefromTn_> all I am missing now is the damn spindle drive....
[20:26:56] <ssi> what did you order
[20:27:02] <XXCoder> your van MIGHT be faster and awesome, but it's not go there and take photos of pluto awesome.
[20:27:29] <PetefromTn_> I ordered basically everything I need to finish the lathe but the vfd
[20:27:40] <PetefromTn_> gonna have to wait on that until probably next week or so
[20:28:06] <PetefromTn_> some of the stuff is already here
[20:28:47] <PetefromTn_> That is just to get the machine running I still need to get a chuck/collet chuck and a toolpost too...
[20:29:02] <PetefromTn_> but I bought some tooling already too
[20:29:40] <PetefromTn_> Hoping to have the machine making parts by Christmas or so
[20:29:57] <PetefromTn_> possibly earlier depending on how much spare time I have
[20:29:57] <ssi> I meant vfd
[20:30:01] <ssi> what are you planning to order
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[20:30:20] <PetefromTn_> Well since there is not anything good that is cheaper probably going to get another Hitachi
[20:30:28] <ssi> yeah
[20:30:35] <ssi> they're not that expensive for what they are
[20:30:39] <ssi> what size are you going to get?
[20:30:40] <ssi> 15
[20:30:41] <ssi> ?
[20:30:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have to
[20:30:53] <ssi> yea, 7.5hp spindle?
[20:30:54] <PetefromTn_> 800 bucks is not cheap to me LOL
[20:31:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah 7.5
[20:31:05] <ssi> yea
[20:31:10] <ssi> I got a 25 for my 15hp spindle
[20:31:14] <ssi> it's the biggest they make :P
[20:31:32] <PetefromTn_> what amps will that pull?
[20:32:07] <ssi> I don't recall.... 35A 3ph I think?
[20:32:11] <ssi> I have it cabled for 60A
[20:32:33] <PetefromTn_> Ok sounds good
[20:32:36] <Sync> try buying a yaskawa spindle drive PetefromTn_ :P
[20:32:42] <PetefromTn_> no thanks
[20:33:08] <PetefromTn_> thats why I retrofit so I could get away from the super stupid expensive original control stuff
[20:33:30] <PetefromTn_> the original spindle drive in my Cinci was like $3500
[20:33:44] <zeeshan-mill> jeez
[20:33:46] <ssi> I still need to sell the fanuc drives out of mine
[20:33:48] <PetefromTn_> thats more than I have in the whole machine
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[20:34:10] <XXCoder> crazy.
[20:34:26] <ssi> PetefromTn_: and that's the USED price on ebay
[20:34:31] <ssi> I shudder to think what it'd cost to get one new
[20:35:18] <Z98> hi all, a question about the iso image on the site, the one for 2.7, when it's booted up, i only have the option for a 32bit boot
[20:35:25] <Z98> is there a 64bit available?
[20:44:17] <PetefromTn_> ssi yeah man its nutz
[20:44:31] <PetefromTn_> I was just looking over my stuff
[20:45:02] <XXCoder> Z98: probbly not?
[20:45:33] <PetefromTn_> apparenlty the only pulley that took that taper shaft is the Z axis ballscrew the other pullies are fixed size and the one that WAS on the original motor is actually only 13mm and my new motor is 14mm so I may just have to bore that one out to fit
[20:46:01] <PetefromTn_> I can't seem to find where I put the pulley for the motor for the Z axis tho
[20:46:29] <PetefromTn_> if I can't find It I will need to order a new pulley for that one
[20:46:41] <PetefromTn_> the machine used 3/4 inch wide belts on the axes
[20:49:17] <Z98> does anyone run 64bit versions of linuxcnc here then?
[20:49:25] <Z98> or does everyone just go with the 32bit version
[20:49:30] <PetefromTn_> Oh did I mention the new motors fit PERFECTLY in the machine's motor mounts??!! :D
[20:50:03] <PetefromTn_> just bolt on beauty baby hehehe
[20:50:25] <ssi> nice :D
[20:51:02] <PetefromTn_> still even with the almost plug and play everything here I STILL have a ton of work to do on this thing SIGH
[20:51:41] <Z98> first 90% is easy
[20:51:44] <Z98> next 9% is hard
[20:51:51] <PetefromTn_> hehe exactly right
[20:51:53] <Z98> last 1% is a kick in the nuts
[20:52:11] <ssi> yeah
[20:52:12] <PetefromTn_> godzilla kick in the family jewels
[20:52:19] <ssi> that's why I have 90% complete projects everywhere
[20:52:29] <ssi> two 90% complete airplanes, two 90% complete cnc machines, etc :)
[20:54:37] <XXCoder> ssi: you're Professor Calamitous!
[20:54:49] <ssi> is that a discworld thing?
[20:54:51] <jdh> the first 90% is easy, it's the second 90% that takes all the time
[20:54:54] <XXCoder> hes a villian in comic, he can't complete anything
[20:54:54] <ssi> I never discworld'd
[20:54:56] <ssi> oh
[20:55:03] <ssi> jdh: exactly
[20:55:11] <XXCoder> http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Professor_Calamitous
[20:57:35] <zeeshan-mill> man these chinese engraving bits
[20:57:40] <zeeshan-mill> are raping ss304
[20:57:42] <zeeshan-mill> im suprsed
[20:57:51] <zeeshan-mill> first china cutting tool that works
[20:58:08] <PetefromTn_> which ones ya get?
[20:58:47] <zeeshan-mill> ill find a link
[20:58:55] <zeeshan-mill> but they were like 20 bux for 10
[20:59:02] <PetefromTn_> wow thats cheap
[20:59:05] <zeeshan-mill> .010 nose radius
[20:59:12] <zeeshan-mill> solid carbide 1/8 shank 30 deg taper
[20:59:18] <PetefromTn_> 1/8 shank?
[20:59:32] <PetefromTn_> and you're RAPING STAINLESS?
[20:59:36] <zeeshan-mill> yea!!
[20:59:38] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[20:59:50] <zeeshan-mill> well to me rape in engraving is 6ipm
[20:59:55] <zeeshan-mill> with this dinky little thing
[20:59:57] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to not sound astonished
[21:00:01] <zeeshan-mill> im suprised the nose didnt break off
[21:00:04] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[21:00:10] <zeeshan-mill> 3000 rpm
[21:00:24] <zeeshan-mill> do you get some burrs?
[21:00:28] <zeeshan-mill> i nose a few burrs
[21:00:29] <PetefromTn_> I broke one on the steel but it was when I was plunging in I ACCIDENTALLY had it set to my plunge from safe speed of 25IPM
[21:00:31] <zeeshan-mill> but generally looks good
[21:00:48] <PetefromTn_> not really the cuts look great right off the machine
[21:01:01] <PetefromTn_> I was running 5500 at 10IPM
[21:01:06] <PetefromTn_> I think anyway
[21:01:21] <PetefromTn_> I only have one of those bastards left LOL
[21:01:30] <zeeshan-mill> so lucky you got high rpm
[21:02:07] <PetefromTn_> heh that's NOT high RPM LOL
[21:04:47] <PetefromTn_> https://bitsbits.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4_45&products_id=133&zenid=f1bf1d470894ddf9410ecf46ea77f1ea
[21:05:01] <PetefromTn_> thats the ones I used with .020 tip
[21:06:49] <zeeshan-mill> link doesnt work on this comp for me
[21:07:11] <PetefromTn_> actually I think I got the 70 degree ones but I can't remember actually and the box does not say it
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[21:07:44] <PetefromTn_> its part number 420-HF60 so I assume that is .020 tip and 60 degree angle
[21:07:47] <zeeshan-mill> how is this tip not breaking?
[21:07:51] <zeeshan-mill> im plunging at 1ipm
[21:07:56] <zeeshan-mill> its like a tooth pick
[21:07:56] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[21:08:05] <PetefromTn_> wow that is slow I think I plunged at 5
[21:08:09] <zeeshan-mill> ah
[21:08:16] <zeeshan-mill> but im at 3000 rpm
[21:08:16] <PetefromTn_> but my bits are 1/4 shank
[21:08:21] <PetefromTn_> and .020 tip
[21:08:24] <chuckbob> would someone familiar with servo tuning look at this graph and tell me if and what I need to continue tuning?
[21:08:30] <chuckbob> http://i.imgur.com/zAdVngH.jpg
[21:09:32] <chuckbob> had to snap it with a phone camera as that computer has not network access
[21:10:07] <ssi> turn the P gain down a bit, see if the ringing improves
[21:11:02] <chuckbob> will give it a shot
[21:11:16] <zeeshan-mill> i was snapping this same type of bit at school
[21:11:19] <zeeshan-mill> about same parameters
[21:11:23] <zeeshan-mill> i think their spindle has runout
[21:11:33] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[21:11:34] <zeeshan-mill> only thing i can think of for the difference
[21:12:32] <zeeshan-mill> i wish i could open that image
[21:12:38] <zeeshan-mill> if i had a j1900....
[21:12:41] <Sync> possible
[21:12:56] <PetefromTn_> what image?
[21:13:15] <zeeshan-mill> yours and the tuner guy
[21:14:53] <chuckbob> I turned down the P gain, 90%, 80% 70%.... helped out slightly maybe, but stiffness suffered
[21:15:18] <chuckbob> This is the first time I have tried tuning a servo, so I am in the weeds a bit
[21:15:47] <zeeshan-mill> there we go
[21:15:50] <zeeshan-mill> 10 pieces
[21:15:53] <zeeshan-mill> and first snap
[21:16:02] <chuckbob> and the f-error increased
[21:16:08] <PetefromTn_> shit
[21:16:27] <ssi> chuckbob: put the P back and try tweaking FF2 and see if the accel transient improves
[21:16:39] <ssi> make it a little more negative I think
[21:16:41] <ssi> very slightly
[21:16:47] <chuckbob> ok, FF2 is currently at .015
[21:17:01] <PetefromTn_> I guess I was lucky other than the initial crash from the fast plunge I machined like 30 of those steel plates with the same engraver..
[21:17:04] <chuckbob> I have tried it at .025 and get following error
[21:17:19] <ssi> turn your ferror setting up while you're tuning
[21:17:24] <ssi> so you can see the response
[21:18:09] <chuckbob> so what am I really looking for, is there a good graph somewhere that a person could try to mimic somewhat?
[21:18:16] <zeeshan-mill> this is stainless tho!!
[21:18:18] <zeeshan-mill> =[
[21:18:28] <zeeshan-mill> this is why they come in a set of 10
[21:18:29] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[21:18:34] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[21:18:36] <zeeshan-mill> were you doing a single pass
[21:18:39] <PetefromTn_> where did you get em?
[21:18:45] <zeeshan-mill> ebay
[21:18:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah single pass .030 deep
[21:18:58] <zeeshan-mill> wow
[21:19:03] <zeeshan-mill> im doing .015
[21:19:22] <PetefromTn_> stainless sux
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[21:21:02] <zeeshan-mill> fak.
[21:21:05] <zeeshan-mill> there breaks another
[21:21:09] <zeeshan-mill> completely my fault
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[21:21:16] <zeeshan-mill> spanner slipped and hit it
[21:21:17] <zeeshan-mill> haha
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[21:21:36] <PetefromTn_> jeez
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[21:21:50] <Contract_Pilot> Sup?
[21:22:38] <Contract_Pilot> Shaking this head cold maybe be able to get to wiring up the 7I76 soon
[21:28:12] <ssi> PCW: hey does this mean anything to you?
[21:28:13] <ssi> can't use non-numeric floating-point value as operand of "-" while executing
[21:28:13] <ssi> "expr $ret" (procedure "watchLoop" line 16)
[21:28:40] <ssi> I have a 32 bit unsigned input pd, and I'm sending 0x00000000 from the remote, and that's the error I get when I try to watch the pin in hal
[21:30:07] <ssi> if I set it to non-zero, it shows up in hal as inf
[21:30:16] <ssi> this all worked with 16 bit unsigneds fwiw
[21:30:52] * Jymmm voids ssi
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[21:33:58] <ssi> and it works with 24 bit unsigned... weird
[21:34:13] <ssi> I wonder if there's something about the hm2 code that makes unsigned 32 bits in particular not work
[21:34:17] <ssi> lemme try 31 bit pd
[21:35:21] <chuckbob> http://i.imgur.com/FX9tdeB.jpg
[21:35:25] <chuckbob> doesn't seem much better
[21:35:29] <chuckbob> any advice?
[21:35:47] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-mill, those engraving bits sound like the ones i got
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[21:36:12] <ssi> chuckbob: first of all, tell me what I'm looking at
[21:36:21] <ssi> is that the velocity ramping up from zero to a steady-state cruise
[21:36:23] <ssi> or is that a position jog
[21:36:25] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, you got that junk bolted to your lathe yet????
[21:36:52] <chuckbob> it's from a jog, left then to right
[21:36:52] <PetefromTn_> JUNK!!!!!!!
[21:37:07] <ssi> velocity mode servo, yes?
[21:37:07] <PetefromTn_> WHAT JUNK!!!!!
[21:37:16] <chuckbob> torque.. no tach
[21:37:16] * Tom_itx snickers
[21:37:19] <PetefromTn_> AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGhhhhhhh
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[21:37:38] <PetefromTn_> and no....no I do not why?
[21:37:48] <chuckbob> cui amt 102 encoders, 1000 counts on a 20tpi screw
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[21:38:12] <PetefromTn_> I am in the blowing large sums of cash sitting in front of the PC imagining all this fitting together somehow stages
[21:38:31] <Tom_itx> hint: walk away from the pc...
[21:38:44] <ssi> chuckbob: I don't have any experience tuning torque mode sadly :/
[21:38:48] <PetefromTn_> CAN'T
[21:38:50] <Tom_itx> you gonna have to build mounts for the servos?
[21:38:55] <PetefromTn_> nope
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[21:38:59] <ssi> chuckbob: but... it's hard to tell exactly how to tune based on your picture
[21:39:02] <PetefromTn_> junk bolts right up :D
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[21:39:23] <ssi> what I usually do is set up a jog that's relatively low speed, and long enough that it has a distinct accel, cruise, and decel phase visible in halscope
[21:39:30] <Tom_itx> you musta got the good junk then
[21:39:39] <PetefromTn_> yessir
[21:39:46] <PetefromTn_> best junk I could afford ;)
[21:40:05] <ssi> that way you can clearly see what the ferror does during the jerk to accel, accel, jerk to cruise, steady-velocity cruise, jerk to decel, decel, and jerk to stopped
[21:40:24] <ssi> try setting it up that way and take a picture, and maybe I can help further :)
[21:40:30] <PetefromTn_> I gotta grab a DB25 cable and make sure it plugs into my drives
[21:40:34] <PetefromTn_> it SHOULD
[21:40:47] <PetefromTn_> and if it does I will have a huge freaking smile on my face LOL
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[21:40:59] <ssi> PCW: does seem like 31 bit unsigneds work, but 32 bits don't. Not going to matter because I'm about to implement signed pds, but something worth noting
[21:41:30] <Tom_itx> so you won't have to reduce the servo drives to the lathe then
[21:42:07] <C_P-Away> May have to revisit tut's tomb.
http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/S4010831-1024x768.jpg
[21:42:26] <PetefromTn_> so I can just plug the connector in and cut and paste the other end into the 7i77 stuff
[21:42:49] <ssi> PetefromTn_: what connector is on the other end now?
[21:42:52] <PetefromTn_> on the teco's they used some odd sized high density connector and I had to solder ever damn line
[21:43:04] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean?
[21:43:19] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, is the 7i77 screw terminals?
[21:43:25] <ssi> oh I see what you're saying
[21:43:27] <ssi> the drive has a db25
[21:43:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah just screw em down
[21:43:39] <ssi> that's nice
[21:43:43] <PetefromTn_> yeah just DB25 it says but I have not checked
[21:43:52] <ssi> I spent a bunch of money and time building custom cables for the parker drives with those stupid high density centronics connectors
[21:43:54] <Tom_itx> it should be
[21:43:55] <PCW> Probably a driver bug as we have no unsigned numbers that large
[21:43:57] <ssi> and then I couldn't even use the stupid things
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[21:44:06] <PetefromTn_> I know man that bites
[21:44:11] <ssi> PCW: we won't have them either, but it was an interesting catch during testing
[21:44:31] <PetefromTn_> I had to solder all three of the drives on the Cinci and it was time consuming
[21:44:32] <Tom_itx> luckily i can get those plugs locally
[21:44:36] <PCW> on the other hand more than about 20 bits is pretty useless for real process params
[21:44:38] <Tom_itx> db25 male or female
[21:44:53] <PCW> (ans slows everything down)
[21:45:02] <ssi> PCW: well they're wanting to use position command and feedback, with a scale of +/-10000mm
[21:45:09] <ssi> so I sorta need the resolution :/
[21:45:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah it SHOULD be but some of these chinese drives use a japanese version that is non standard here
[21:45:24] <ssi> I'm hoping that eventually I can implement axis scale as a global, and rescale the pd on the fly
[21:45:28] <PCW> not 32 bits worth
[21:45:29] <ssi> I'm just not sure if that's feasible with sserial
[21:45:50] <ssi> well it's 10,000 machine units, if units is inch then 32 bits is like 2.4 microinch res
[21:45:59] <ssi> which is overkill, but only an order of magnitude or so
[21:46:02] <ssi> 24 bit wouldn't be enough
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[21:46:23] <zeeshan-mill> broke another..
[21:46:27] <zeeshan-mill> need high rpm spindle
[21:46:27] <Contract_Pilot> Hey SSI
[21:46:29] <ssi> hey cp
[21:46:32] <zeeshan-mill> too much chipload
[21:46:48] <ssi> zeeshan-mill: reduce chipload nub! ;)
[21:47:00] <zeeshan-mill> hhe
[21:47:20] <ssi> PCW: we still haven't gotten globals and modes working yet, so I'm fuzzy on the details of how they work
[21:47:27] <Contract_Pilot> Looks like coor's or keystone but 8%
http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Petra-Beer-768x1024.jpg
[21:47:42] <ssi> but my hope is that there's a way to make it so that you can set the axis scale in parameters on the host, and that'll change the pd scaling
[21:47:56] <ssi> might have to switch modes in order to get the host to re-discover the ptoc? I'm fuzzy on that part
[21:48:00] <PCW> 28 bits would bits would be 1 um with 32M motion
[21:48:01] <ssi> I don't really understand how modes are selected
[21:48:08] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-mill, chip load isn't based on rpm silly
[21:48:20] <Contract_Pilot> Indiana Jones time!
http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Abit-Close-768x1024.jpg
[21:48:32] <zeeshan-mill> i know
[21:48:33] <PetefromTn_> zerodivide says 3k is 8IPM
[21:48:35] <Tom_itx> you're just impatient
[21:48:47] <zeeshan-mill> im at 0.001 , need to be at 0.005
[21:48:55] <zeeshan-mill> so reduced feed
[21:48:56] <Tom_itx> deep?
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[21:49:02] <zeeshan-mill> no chipload
[21:49:52] <zeeshan-mill> feed = rpm * chipload * teeth = 3000*.0005 *1 = 1.5ipm
[21:50:00] <zeeshan-mill> meant to type 0.0005 not 0.005 earlier
[21:50:07] <PCW> you need to select the mode first to get the matching PTOC pointer
[21:50:16] <PetefromTn_> I was gonna say
[21:50:24] <PetefromTn_> that is not right
[21:50:37] <ssi> PCW: how are modes selected?
[21:50:46] <ssi> PCW: I'm describing modes in the gtoc, but they don't show up in dmesg
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[21:51:09] <ssi> just below parameters in dmesg for the remote, I see this:
[21:51:09] <ssi> [446655.163609] hm2/hm2_5i25.0: Globals:
[21:51:10] <ssi> [446655.163614] hm2/hm2_5i25.0: Modes:
[21:51:15] <ssi> (with debug modules on)
[21:51:34] <ssi> I'm describing globals too, but they don't show up in dmesg or in parameters in hal
[21:52:25] <PCW> I dont think globals show up as parameters in hal (though they can be used as names by setsserial)
[21:53:14] <ssi> yeah I just don't fully understand globals and modes yet
[21:53:20] <ssi> I have a handle on process vars now though :D
[21:53:36] <ssi> just need to make my bitpacking routines work for signed vals and I should be golden
[21:54:08] <PCW> bit packing on the remote?
[21:54:11] <ssi> yes
[21:54:36] <ssi> I gotta say, there's a lot of cleverness in lbp/sserial
[21:54:40] <PCW> if you are lazy you can use padding, but packing is better for serial overhead
[21:54:46] <ssi> I'm doing full packing
[21:55:02] <ssi> my test case has a 3 bit BITS pd followed by a 10 bit UNSIGNED pd followed by a 3 bit BITS pd :)
[21:55:06] <ssi> and that works well :)
[21:55:54] <PCW> Does mesaflash show anything interesting with your drive?
[21:56:09] <ssi> I haven't tried to do anything with it with mesaflash
[21:56:38] <PCW> mesaflash has some limited sserial data dump ability
[21:57:51] <PCW> Do you get a vaild GTOC pointer when you start the link?
[21:58:20] <ssi> yeah, I've captured the full toc dump over the line and the host reads all of it out
[21:58:25] <ssi> both gtoc and ptoc
[21:58:40] <ssi> I dunno how to use mesaflash with it, it wants a device name, and I'm assuming that's the device name we present in the remote
[21:58:46] <ssi> but mesaflash seems like maybe it has a whitelist
[21:58:50] <ssi> cause it doesn't like my device name
[21:59:00] <PCW> device name is FPGA card name
[21:59:09] <Contract_Pilot> SSI Changing a Tire in Tarawa on the ramp... Not to fun of a Job... in 105 degree heat and full Humidity.
http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/100_3483-1024x768.jpg
[21:59:21] <ssi> oh ok
[22:00:02] <Contract_Pilot> Have to love them 8" Junkers
http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/133-1024x768.jpg
[22:00:07] * PCW thinks sserial is easier to debug with hex register read/writes
[22:00:18] <ssi> I do see both devices via mesaflash
[22:00:18] <ssi> device at channel 1: 7I77 (unit 0x1100025A)
[22:00:19] <ssi> device at channel 2: stbl (unit 0x10000176)
[22:00:44] <ssi> cp lul nice
[22:01:57] <PCW> bbl work
[22:01:57] <micges> ssi: try with --verbose
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[22:03:02] <ssi> thanks :)
[22:03:28] <micges> if sane data will show up then hm2 driver will also work
[22:04:13] <ssi> yeah it's all showing up
[22:04:13] <ssi> http://pastebin.com/bVHGR6CQ
[22:04:35] <ssi> pos_cmd and pos_fb are the pd vars I'm describing, swr is a global pd, and foo and io_ are modes
[22:05:41] <ssi> so maybe globals and modes are working fine, I just have no idea how to interact with them on the host side
[22:06:28] <rene-dev_> PCW: while logging a 7i76, it reads from other mem locations as well, and uese a few reserved local reads and writes... what do the do?
http://pastebin.com/VpT1ndxM
[22:06:57] <ssi> it's querying our remote for some of those things too
[22:07:23] <rene-dev_> sorry, the protol decoder doesnt show the hex values for the reserved stuff...
[22:08:36] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:09:33] <chuckbob> http://i.imgur.com/SVrQvGF.jpg
[22:09:38] <chuckbob> Not sure if we're getting anywhere
[22:10:07] <chuckbob> this is a 10"/min jog from a stop... then the opposite direction
[22:10:42] <ssi> can you zoom in so that the accel phase is more obvious?
[22:10:50] <ssi> I don't care so much about the decel part
[22:15:48] <chuckbob> http://i.imgur.com/IRaRwZx.jpg
[22:16:27] <zeeshan-mill> i think the mist cool was killing th ebit
[22:16:34] <zeeshan-mill> air blast seems to be working
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[22:16:39] <zeeshan-mill> more than 10 done with this method..
[22:16:58] <ssi> chuckbob: what are your current tuning values
[22:16:59] <zeeshan-mill> pete do you have a tumler
[22:17:17] <zeeshan-mill> tumbler
[22:17:21] <ssi> by current I mean "now", not "charge in motion" :)
[22:17:35] <ssi> zeeshan-mill: I have a couple
[22:18:23] <chuckbob> P:2500, I:2, D:1.5
[22:18:31] <chuckbob> FF1 4.1
[22:18:35] <ssi> 2500 seems incredibly high
[22:18:44] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[22:18:48] <zeeshan-mill> could be normal :P
[22:18:51] <ssi> could be
[22:18:51] <chuckbob> sorry, it is actually 1250
[22:18:56] <ssi> write those down, and start from scratch
[22:19:01] <ssi> with ff tuning, I rarely need I or D terms
[22:19:04] <chuckbob> that was the previous value
[22:19:15] <zeeshan-mill> are your servos velocity based
[22:19:22] <chuckbob> no tachs
[22:19:26] <zeeshan-mill> did you tune the vel loop already?
[22:19:27] <chuckbob> AMC brushed drives
[22:19:29] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[22:19:37] <zeeshan-mill> so do you have in in vel mode for drives
[22:19:41] <zeeshan-mill> i got exact setup
[22:19:42] <ssi> no, torque mode
[22:19:43] <zeeshan-mill> what model
[22:19:45] <ssi> he has no tachs
[22:19:49] <zeeshan-mill> oh
[22:22:29] <chuckbob> so, start from scratch.. no i or d terms
[22:22:36] <chuckbob> and an ff1 of 1?
[22:22:43] <ssi> 0
[22:22:50] <ssi> 0 i, 0 d, 0 ff1, 0 ff2
[22:22:56] <ssi> altough I don't think you get ff2 in torque mode
[22:23:00] <ssi> not really sure
[22:23:02] <chuckbob> ok
[22:23:12] <chuckbob> won't move with a p of 0
[22:23:42] <ssi> yeah now increase p until it gets unstable
[22:24:09] <ssi> is there an FF0?
[22:24:24] <ssi> if so, I believe that'll be your velocity offset control in torque mode
[22:24:33] <ssi> and FF1 will be your accel offset control
[22:24:49] <ssi> so once you find a max practical value for P, show me a pic of halscope
[22:30:08] <Roguish> chuchbob: make written notes of the changes and results. it can get quite confusing.......
[22:31:42] <chuckbob> well, for starter.. some reason had it in a voltage mode
[22:32:09] <chuckbob> switched the switches to current....
[22:32:28] <chuckbob> now, i get an oscillation with a p of 400
[22:32:43] <chuckbob> time to start over.. not sure what I was doing... I was picking up from a project 4 months ago
[22:34:02] <zeeshan-mill> lol
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[22:40:21] <PCW> Torque mode tuning is mainly as much D as possible first (basically closing the velocity loop)
[22:40:23] <PCW> and then as much P as it stable
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[22:42:36] <PCW> voltage mode may be OK also, (tuning is sort of 1/2 way between velocity and torque mode)
[22:44:51] <PCW> That is voltage mode needs FF1 (back EMF compensation) but torque mode typically does not
[22:45:51] <PCW> voltage mode needs less D (since it has inherent damping)
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[22:53:22] <PetefromTn_> I think I am gonna throw my kids PC out in the street LOL
[22:53:54] <PetefromTn_> it has a netgear wireless adapter and it always hooks up but it often says no internet access despite my every effort to remedy it
[22:54:32] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: I got wifi dongle for 5 bucks inc shipping. works fine
[22:54:36] <XXCoder> easy enough t replace
[22:54:57] <PetefromTn_> that is what this is.. wifi dongle /USB stick
[22:55:20] <XXCoder> hah it has fake sale but here it is
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-150M-USB-WiFi-Wireless-Network-WI-FI-Networking-Card-Wifi-Antenna-LAN-Adapter-Computer-Accessories/1246811930.html
[22:55:25] <PetefromTn_> it says connected but now it always says no internet accesss
[22:55:53] <XXCoder> check around, some maleare may be inferening with it
[22:56:36] <PetefromTn_> have been.... just frustrated with the damn thing and my kids look at me like I shot Santa Claus when I tell them its not working and I don't know why ;)
[22:56:56] <XXCoder> good, that merry bastard...
[22:56:58] <XXCoder> heh jk
[22:58:26] <ssi> I ordered something from aliexpress for the first time this week :P
[22:58:54] <XXCoder> yeah? what was it
[22:59:00] <ssi> a usb logic analyzer
[22:59:09] <PetefromTn_> I've never been able to bring myself to order from them for some reason LOL
[22:59:29] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: so far its kinda oj
[22:59:31] <XXCoder> ok
[22:59:42] <XXCoder> some sucks, for example car leds
[22:59:55] <XXCoder> but others like wifi dongle I use works fine
[23:01:15] <ssi> well that's annoying
[23:01:18] <ssi> I got an email saying it shipped
[23:01:25] <ssi> but the email sayl "You are advised to contact the seller for shipment information"
[23:01:35] <PetefromTn_> oh hell
[23:01:36] <ssi> I bought it from aliexpress, s far as I'm concerned they ARE the seller
[23:01:39] <PetefromTn_> that does not sound good
[23:01:42] <ssi> yeah seriously
[23:01:55] <XXCoder> aliexpress is like ebay
[23:01:57] <XXCoder> many sellers
[23:02:28] <ssi> XXCoder: ebay sends me a tracking number when the item ships
[23:02:38] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:02:40] <PetefromTn_> yup
[23:02:43] <ssi> they don't send me a note saying "hey they shipped it, you should go learn their language so you can figure out how to get a tracking number"
[23:02:59] <PetefromTn_> you're on your own sucka
[23:03:02] <PetefromTn_> :D
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[23:06:16] <malcom2073> ssi: If you have a complaint, feel free to walk into the Aliexpress office in Shinzen and complain :P
[23:06:41] <ssi> heh yeah
[23:06:43] <malcom2073> On a related note: My newegg steppers never arrived. I have to wait for 30 days to file a complaint
[23:07:03] <PetefromTn_> newegg sells steppers?
[23:07:13] <malcom2073> Newegg is like amazon
[23:07:14] <malcom2073> tons of sellers
[23:07:24] <ssi> malcom2073: same here
[23:07:34] <malcom2073> ssi: ContractPilot got his oddly enough
[23:07:37] <malcom2073> I think they wised up to the price mixup
[23:07:38] <XXCoder> malcom2073: whats wrong with steppers
[23:07:46] <malcom2073> XXCoder: They never arrived
[23:07:51] <malcom2073> They're invisible!
[23:08:04] <XXCoder> aw stepper fairy got to it
[23:08:14] <malcom2073> Seems so
[23:08:27] <malcom2073> I got 4 of them at least, the last 4 got it
[23:08:30] <PetefromTn_> cool invisible steppers!!
[23:08:32] <ssi> yeah cp ruined it for everyone else by buying seven hundred of them
[23:08:40] <malcom2073> ssi: I honestly believe that :P
[23:08:43] <XXCoder> 700
[23:09:01] <XXCoder> perfect for 350 axis cnc machinbe
[23:09:12] <PetefromTn_> wtf would you do with 700 of em?
[23:09:21] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: like I said... heh
[23:09:26] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: That's what we asked him, he didn't have a response really, other than "for stuff"
[23:09:37] <XXCoder> reseller I bet
[23:09:46] <malcom2073> I think he's converting his mill, and a couple hundred of his friends mills too
[23:09:54] <XXCoder> thats the only honest answer I can think of
[23:10:13] <malcom2073> He only bought like 20 though, not enough to be worth it to resell unless you're into pennies
[23:10:19] <PetefromTn_> its not like there are not hundreds of sellers already killing each other pricing them you would have to have stolen them to really be worth it.
[23:10:28] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: He did steal them
[23:10:31] <malcom2073> $8 for stepper + driver
[23:11:12] <PetefromTn_> so he bought $5600 worth of steppers then?
[23:11:20] <malcom2073> He only bought 20, we were exaggerating
[23:11:25] <PetefromTn_> ah ok
[23:11:35] <XXCoder> ah only 10 axis machine then heh
[23:11:49] <malcom2073> Two per axis?
[23:12:26] <XXCoder> yeah Im assuming that lol
[23:12:28] <renesis> wtf 10 axis
[23:12:51] <renesis> someone linuxcnc'd a gundam?
[23:12:54] <XXCoder> oh look ren complains on 10 axis and was fine with previoys 350 axis one lol
[23:13:02] <malcom2073> lol
[23:13:05] <renesis> wasnt paying attention
[23:13:12] <XXCoder> yeah guess that lol
[23:13:23] <renesis> 350 would actually work for large humanoid power armor
[23:13:37] <malcom2073> Beyond 5 gets silly
[23:13:44] <XXCoder> actually I know aqctual 21 axis cnc
[23:13:54] <XXCoder> its wire bender with 8 tools
[23:14:01] <malcom2073> Heh, or speciality stuff
[23:14:12] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:14:18] <renesis> those bar stock machine centers probably got a ton of named axis
[23:14:36] <XXCoder> 11 axis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdCRCcwDeKQ
[23:14:59] * malcom2073 thinks XXCoder just youtubed for "20 axis..... nope, 19... nope... 18.... nope... *repeat until 11*"
[23:14:59] <renesis> cnc demo music is so fucked
[23:15:30] <malcom2073> Yo dawg I heard you liked spindles, so I put a spindle on your spindle
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[23:16:26] <renesis> its basically 'we put a mill in your lathe so you can mill while you turn'
[23:16:46] <malcom2073> That's a lathe in a lathe too
[23:17:03] <XXCoder> theres spindle in few locations
[23:17:17] <malcom2073> I guess if you need to make a million widgets
[23:17:19] <XXCoder> I guess it can be mill or lathe on any side of that movable thing
[23:17:21] <renesis> yeah ive seen the ones that will grab the parts on an opposing vise, then finish it on the other side
[23:17:27] <XXCoder> or tooling
[23:17:48] <renesis> basically two acis, one with a pivoting vise, also the spindle head articulates
[23:18:05] <renesis> so around 10 axis doesnt sound too crazy
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[23:18:22] <XXCoder> its 11 I cant figure where 11th is
[23:18:37] <renesis> prob parts catcher
[23:18:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:18:44] <malcom2073> The hydraulic chuck?
[23:18:47] <renesis> heh
[23:19:15] <XXCoder> I can't imange coding for this.
[23:19:27] <malcom2073> YOu buy software that does it for you :P
[23:19:33] <renesis> ya srs
[23:19:48] <XXCoder> yeah expenive packages
[23:19:51] <renesis> writing the software to write the code for these things must be nuts
[23:19:54] <XXCoder> ohh
[23:19:57] <XXCoder> it shows software at end
[23:20:07] <XXCoder> little bit but yeah
[23:21:11] <XXCoder> 10 axis. odd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZBQQPhOH8g
[23:22:05] <Sync> I wonder why they only advance the rod onto the hardstop
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[23:24:10] <JT-Mobile> Evening
[23:24:27] <Sync> someone who obviously does not like his machine XXCoder :D
[23:24:28] <XXCoder> hey
[23:24:46] <XXCoder> Sync: was someone talking on video?
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[23:26:32] <Sync> no
[23:26:36] <Sync> but no way covery
[23:26:45] <Sync> ~covers even
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[23:35:09] <XXCoder> ok
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