#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-11-03

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[00:07:30] <andypugh> i think Tormach have found a place between cheap and industrial.
[00:08:54] <andypugh> So, high-end hobby or low-volume commercial. It’s a hard balance to strike, but I think thet they have done it quite well.
[00:09:18] <cradek> JT-Shop: jeez no, that's super old
[00:09:51] <cradek> JT-Shop: try one of the debian -rt kernels, or try our rtai kernel, but for pete's sake don't build your own
[00:10:37] <andypugh> Building a kernel is fun, I learned a lot. Mainly that I don’t know how to build a kernel :-)
[00:11:39] <andypugh> (it took me a lot of effort to do it, I didn’t gain much, only one “recipe” on the internet worked, and that one won’t work now.
[00:12:17] <andypugh> If you like Mate, run Mate on Wheezy
[00:12:28] <Contract_Pilot> Feel like Crud!
[00:13:12] <andypugh> Is that good or bad?
[00:13:39] <Contract_Pilot> Bad! Sinus infection.
[00:13:58] <Contract_Pilot> Want to play but do not feel well http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Measa-Cards-5I25-7I76-7i77-1024x878.jpg
[00:14:54] <Contract_Pilot> back to bed for rest.
[00:15:37] <andypugh> Probably best.
[00:15:49] <andypugh> Though, getting very drunk might work too.
[00:16:43] <andypugh> Southen Comfort clears the passages at least as well as cough medicine, is slightly cheaper, and makes you care less that you are ill too.
[00:17:43] <andypugh> Contract_Pilot: But, you could do just this, to make yourself feel that you have played with the new toys.
[00:18:31] <andypugh> Plug in the 5i25, open a terminal. halrun / loadrt hostmot2 / loadrt hm2_pci / show pin
[00:18:53] <andypugh> You have now booted and used your 5i25.
[00:19:05] <andypugh> Then, if you feel inspired:
[00:19:12] <andypugh> loadrt threads
[00:19:25] <andypugh> addf hm2_5i25.0.write thread1
[00:19:43] <andypugh> setp hm2_5i35.0.led-1 1
[00:19:48] <andypugh> start
[00:20:02] <andypugh> Yeah! you turned an LED on the card :-)
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[00:26:18] <andypugh> (To make the 7i77 or 7i76 work properly you need to provide field power, so I didn’t bother with those)
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[00:38:59] <Jymmm> Well... hail from hell is upon me!
[00:39:12] <Jymmm> Yes, hell did freeze over =)
[00:45:37] <PetefromTn_> you got hail?
[00:47:53] <Jymmm> Yep, beat the shit out of me too. That shit hurt! lol
[00:48:13] <PetefromTn_> hehe why in the hell were you outside in a hailstorm?
[00:48:36] <Jymmm> Unexpected, and had to mvoe some plants
[00:48:54] <jdh> I got some absurdly expensive 316 parts printed. I brought them home to finish on my chinese mill.
[00:49:58] <PetefromTn_> I had a bunch of rail orders with black anodize so I decided to take them to Knoxvegas to let them do it to save some time. Man those guys are good at that they look silky smooth
[00:50:11] <jdh> just black, or hard?
[00:50:35] <PetefromTn_> hard black
[00:51:11] <ssi> pete likes the hard black
[00:51:26] * jdh nods
[00:51:30] <PetefromTn_> har de har har har
[00:51:46] <ssi> http://www.theonion.com/article/customer-who-declined-initial-offer-assistance-flo-51771
[00:51:47] <PetefromTn_> got that Z runnin yet?
[00:51:58] <ssi> no I'm working on the servo drives
[00:52:00] <ssi> make up your minds!
[00:52:16] <PetefromTn_> just got an email from DHL
[00:52:24] <PetefromTn_> my servos and drives are enroute!
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[00:53:11] <PetefromTn_> how is that news?
[00:53:18] <ssi> wat
[00:53:29] <PetefromTn_> what you just posted
[00:53:35] <ssi> you're kidding, right?
[00:54:09] <jdh> it's often subtle
[00:54:16] <PetefromTn_> customer who declined initial offer of assistance?
[00:54:54] <ssi> it's ok pete
[00:54:58] <ssi> I won't let anything scary hurt you
[00:55:08] <PetefromTn_> wtf are you talking about?
[00:56:07] <PetefromTn_> OK let me rephrase...what was your purpose in posting that link?
[00:56:19] <ssi> enlightmenment and enjoyment
[00:57:42] <PetefromTn_> https://lexington.craigslist.org/pts/5252795235.html ;)
[00:58:04] <ssi> HOW IS THAT NEWS
[00:58:15] <PetefromTn_> its not
[00:58:45] <PetefromTn_> have I pissed in your cheerio's today or somethin?
[00:58:56] <ssi> lol no
[00:59:30] <PetefromTn_> https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/5293963873.html I need this closer with a 5 speed :D
[01:00:22] <ssi> lol yep
[01:00:42] <PetefromTn_> https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/5295694105.html this looks nice
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[01:07:01] <ssi> PCW: during discovery, when the remote is reporting the number of input bytes for pdrpc, does that count include the fault byte or not
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[01:21:29] <PetefromTn_> Okay sports fans.... gonna order up that main board/CPU combo
[01:21:35] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=Q1900M_pro3-_-13-157-565-_-Product
[01:21:54] <PetefromTn_> got any recommendations for a good power supply and SSD to go along with it?
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[01:26:27] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aloris-AXA-35-Dovetail-Chuck-Collet-Drilling-Holder-for-Tool-Post-Made-in-USA-/251616540608?hash=item3a9583b7c0:m:mgQQYYlhILbIde0lfFXziHA These look cool
[01:27:12] <malcom2073> That's.... interesting
[01:27:16] <malcom2073> For when you just don't have a tailstock?
[01:29:58] <PetefromTn_> well actually on a CNC lathe you can peck drill etc as well as tap with this sort of arrangement
[01:30:20] <malcom2073> Ah that makes sense
[01:30:45] <PetefromTn_> plus if you have several you can run thru a program with different tools without having to change the tailstock tool each time
[01:31:18] <PetefromTn_> I intend to build something similar that has multiple tools on one holder kinda gang tool in miniature
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[01:34:06] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKRlQaJQwp8
[01:35:16] <PCW> ssi: yes, it includes the fault byte
[01:39:41] <malcom2073> Fancy
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[01:41:00] <PetefromTn_> PCW is this the board you had tested for performance etc? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=Q1900M_pro3-_-13-157-565-_-Product
[01:42:46] <PCW> I haven't (I have some J1800 and J1900 CPUs but not that one) But people on the forum have tested that one and it seems OK
[01:43:33] <PetefromTn_> is there a better choice currently for my CNC lathe in your opinion? I was about to order it..
[01:44:00] <PCW> I think its a decent choice
[01:44:12] <PetefromTn_> ok thank you
[01:44:42] <PCW> (unless you want something faster with a fan)
[01:45:26] <PetefromTn_> do you think I should? I am open to suggestions here but I want something relatively compact
[01:46:58] <zeeshan> mmm compact !
[01:47:12] <PCW> there are Mini-ITX J1900s
[01:47:36] <zeeshan> is there something faster than the 1900
[01:47:42] <zeeshan> w/ parallel port
[01:47:59] <PCW> J2900 but those are not common
[01:48:35] <zeeshan> hehe i got a i7 4770k
[01:48:42] <zeeshan> and cpu mark gives it a 10178 score
[01:48:49] <zeeshan> and the j2900 2,046
[01:48:54] <PCW> If you are OK with a fan, the Intel G32XX CPUs are fast and have good latency
[01:48:56] <zeeshan> no idea how that score is calculated
[01:49:03] <PCW> (and are cheap)
[01:49:17] <PCW> bbl dinner!
[01:49:21] <PetefromTn_> thanks
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[03:31:38] <PetefromTn_> how much ram would you guys recommend for that asrock board for running linuxCNC?
[03:34:53] <Jymmm> 8 if you can
[03:35:10] <Jymmm> Can run on less if you need to iirc
[03:35:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah they have 8g long DMM at newegg there for like $38
[03:35:30] <Jymmm> Yeh, I know.
[03:35:54] <Jymmm> Personally, I'm a ram whore =)
[03:36:13] <PetefromTn_> I know it maxes at 16g apparently
[03:36:20] <Jymmm> Heh
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[03:36:34] <Jymmm> That's what they said about my computer too....
[03:36:38] <PetefromTn_> just not sure it is necessary for running linuxCNC
[03:36:50] <Jymmm> for lcnc, 8 is fine
[03:36:58] <PetefromTn_> cool
[03:37:05] <Tom_itx> 2 is also fine
[03:37:18] <PetefromTn_> 2g?
[03:37:34] <Jymmm> yeah
[03:37:49] <Tom_itx> i got 8 in these
[03:38:01] <PetefromTn_> how do you determine the best PPS for the PC ?
[03:38:03] <Jymmm> But 8G if you even want to repurpose that box in the future, or do other things with it like browser, intent, drawing, etc
[03:38:24] <Jymmm> PPS? Pulse Per Secind?
[03:39:02] <PetefromTn_> the only time this machine will ever see the net is if I need to get online to download linuxCNC stuff or to get help from you guys
[03:39:07] <PetefromTn_> power supply
[03:39:27] <Tom_itx> i got a case that came with a psu
[03:39:32] <Tom_itx> it doesn't need much
[03:39:41] <PetefromTn_> I won't be needing a case
[03:39:42] <Tom_itx> the itx one is using one of those pico psu's
[03:40:00] <Tom_itx> i don't think you can use that on the atx one but they may have one you can
[03:40:06] <PetefromTn_> I plan to built the PC into the electronics enclosure like I did the Cincinatti
[03:40:09] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Do you walk into a store and ask for a "Power Supply Unit"?
[03:40:40] <Tom_itx> http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f?sc=8&category=13
[03:40:43] <Tom_itx> that's what's in this one
[03:40:56] <Tom_itx> with a 5A? wart
[03:41:20] <PetefromTn_> thats a DC power supply
[03:41:39] <Tom_itx> it sure is
[03:41:48] <Tom_itx> with a 12v 5A wart on it
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[03:43:07] <Tom_itx> Jymmm you do if it's walmart
[03:43:44] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, you don't need much of a supply for it
[03:45:36] <ssi> Tom_itx: I'm using the same thing
[03:45:37] <Tom_itx> if you get one of those little ones just make sure it's got all the plugs you need for an atx
[03:45:37] <PetefromTn_> I wanted to get a typical PC power supply with multiple outputs in case I want to power my other stuff with it possibly. What is a good brand name for one of those
[03:46:00] <Tom_itx> i'd get one of those cheapass cases and pull the supply from it then
[03:46:03] <ssi> PetefromTn_: better off using a picopsu like that and powering it with your "real" power supplies
[03:46:09] <Tom_itx> for like $59
[03:46:24] <ssi> I wouldn't trust a pc psu to power anything outside the comptuer
[03:46:34] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i run that pico psu 24/7 for several years now with not a hitch
[03:47:00] <Tom_itx> i did get a new one with that board i showed you though
[03:47:12] <Tom_itx> the original one didn't have enough plugs or i'd have used it
[03:47:36] <Tom_itx> too old to have sata plugs on it :)
[03:49:13] <Tom_itx> http://www.mini-box.com/Power-Supplies-Kits
[03:49:18] <Tom_itx> you can get the wart with it there
[03:49:31] <PetefromTn_> hang on I am trying to figure out what kind I used in the Cincinatti
[03:49:58] <Tom_itx> http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-120-102W-power-kit
[03:50:06] <Tom_itx> that's what i got on this one right now
[03:50:17] <Tom_itx> this is the itx ver of the same board though
[03:50:37] <Tom_itx> 2 less pci slots
[03:50:53] <Tom_itx> thus smaller board
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[03:53:28] <PetefromTn_> jeez I can't remember where I bought it from now
[03:53:39] <PetefromTn_> can't find it in my records either LOL
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[03:58:09] <Tom_itx> that last one ^^ should work on that board
[03:58:11] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139108&cm_re=PC_power_supply-_-17-139-108-_-Product
[03:58:16] <PetefromTn_> something like that
[03:58:27] <Tom_itx> you may want a couple extra Y connectors for extra stuff
[03:58:32] <Tom_itx> that's up to you
[03:59:03] <Tom_itx> that's way overkill for it
[03:59:48] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438016&cm_re=PC_power_supply-_-17-438-016-_-Product
[03:59:53] <Tom_itx> takes up a hunk of real estate too
[04:00:14] <PetefromTn_> real estate is not that much of a concern but longevity is
[04:00:29] <PetefromTn_> honestly the electronics cabinet on the machine is MASSIVE
[04:00:36] <Tom_itx> i've run the pico psu 120 for years on end 24/7
[04:00:44] <PetefromTn_> and considering that I have a helluva lot less to put in it
[04:01:32] <PetefromTn_> IE 2 axes and a spindle drive, low voltage power supply and some contactors and other stuff this should be considerably easier and less complex than even the Cincinatti is
[04:02:57] <Tom_itx> the big one also has a fan that will fail
[04:03:53] <Tom_itx> i'm running this one with a 40mm fan throttled back so low you can barely hear it
[04:04:00] <Tom_itx> and i probably don't need it at all
[04:04:20] <Tom_itx> it was already in the case so i plugged it in
[04:04:43] <PetefromTn_> what is that silver plug thing on the end?
[04:04:50] <Tom_itx> 12v in
[04:05:00] <Tom_itx> bananna plug
[04:05:21] <pcw_home> Another option is a 12V powered MB
[04:05:23] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157495&cm_re=j1900-_-13-157-495-_-Product
[04:05:26] <PetefromTn_> I will say that your solution is compact
[04:06:15] <Tom_itx> it's nice having the parport though
[04:06:26] <PetefromTn_> parallel port?
[04:06:27] <Tom_itx> does that one have a mb plug for one?
[04:06:29] <Tom_itx> yes
[04:06:38] <PetefromTn_> I have no need for a parallel port
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[04:07:33] <PetefromTn_> I plan to setup the machine's system with a 24v power supply for field power and everything just like the cincinatti
[04:07:48] <PetefromTn_> probably look to buy an identical power supply for that
[04:08:27] <zeeshan> i tried searching for a compact din rail mounted psu
[04:08:29] <zeeshan> but failed
[04:08:40] <zeeshan> had to put those hunk of crap atx psu on the din rail
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[04:09:31] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASTEC-POWER-SUPPLY-M-ACV-24N3-6-SEE-DESC-USED-/191728068586?hash=item2ca3e227ea
[04:09:41] <PetefromTn_> that is the type of power supply I have in my Cincinatti
[04:09:54] <PetefromTn_> it is identical to the one it came from the manufacturer with
[04:10:00] <zeeshan> im liking this 12v motherboard
[04:10:02] <zeeshan> how about 24v? :D
[04:10:18] <PetefromTn_> you can run 12v off the 24v power supply I think
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[04:11:47] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-IN-BOX-ASTEC-ACV24N4-8-POWER-SUPPLY-24V-OUTPUT-/151812672134?hash=item2358bd8a86
[04:12:18] <PetefromTn_> that 12v board is pretty expensive relatively
[04:13:28] <pcw_home> If you use Ethernet, this should work (mounted to the back of the monitor)
[04:13:29] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856164024&cm_re=j1900-_-56-164-024-_-Product
[04:14:19] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MEAN-WELL-S-150-24-SINGLE-CHANNEL-150-WATT-POWER-SUPPLY-24-VDC-OUTPUT-/360654151206?hash=item53f8a99e26:g:oH8AAOxyJ-FRjV5F
[04:14:21] <zeeshan> i use this on the mill
[04:14:30] <PetefromTn_> I have the 5i25/7i77
[04:15:33] <PetefromTn_> that looks decent
[04:15:45] <PetefromTn_> I have no idea what wattage my Power supply is
[04:16:52] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNPVt3cMkT0 interesting
[04:20:49] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx that power supply you have I am kinda liking since it is so small and basically mounts to the board essentially
[04:21:58] <PetefromTn_> the only thing I am wondering is how do you kill power to it other than manually unplugging it
[04:22:29] <Tom_itx> that's quite effective
[04:22:38] <Tom_itx> put a relay on it if you need one
[04:23:09] <PetefromTn_> there have been situations where while working on the machine that I had to repower the PC and having to physically unplug it would be kind of annoying
[04:23:41] <Tom_itx> you could splice in a toggle switch if you needed one
[04:23:49] <ssi> or just a momentary NC
[04:23:51] <PetefromTn_> true
[04:23:52] <ssi> a hard reset button
[04:23:56] <PetefromTn_> its just DC right
[04:24:02] <ssi> yeah
[04:24:03] <Tom_itx> that's it
[04:24:17] <PetefromTn_> I am wondering also about that 12v board PCW posted
[04:24:31] <ssi> a picopsu makes any board into a 12v board
[04:24:33] <PetefromTn_> the power supply for the machine is as I posted
[04:24:45] <PetefromTn_> true
[04:24:59] <PetefromTn_> but the pico psu kit is 50 bucks or so and the board is like 70
[04:25:07] <PetefromTn_> and the 12v board is 90
[04:25:09] <PetefromTn_> or so
[04:25:21] <ssi> I don't recall the picopsu being nearly that much
[04:25:29] <PetefromTn_> I just wonder if the power supply I am using will run the whole show
[04:25:33] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: If you need to "switch" the pc on/off, let me know.
[04:25:46] <PetefromTn_> http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-120-102W-power-kit
[04:25:56] <ssi> do you need 120W?
[04:25:59] <PetefromTn_> Jymm ?
[04:26:01] <ssi> 80W one is $24.50 on amazon
[04:26:04] <ssi> 90W is $29
[04:26:19] <PetefromTn_> I don't know what I need
[04:26:26] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: There is a way to turn the PS on/off for the 20/24pin connector
[04:26:34] <Jymmm> from*
[04:26:47] <PetefromTn_> you mean the parallel port?
[04:27:32] <ssi> oh nice they make wide input picopsus
[04:27:34] <ssi> 12-32V input
[04:27:35] <PetefromTn_> the cincinatti is setup with basically a built in PC using a typical PC box power supply and running 120v from the back of the machine to the front to the PC
[04:27:40] <ssi> that could be powered from your 24v field supply
[04:27:49] <ssi> but they're more money of course :/
[04:28:17] <PetefromTn_> If the power supply and board combo is about the same price I am not terribly concerned
[04:28:34] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Box-picoPSU-120-WI-25-worlds-tiniest-12-25V/dp/B005TWE488/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1446524883&sr=8-6&keywords=picopsu+wide+input
[04:28:35] <PetefromTn_> my big concern is if the 24v supply is big enough
[04:28:43] <ssi> that's 120W, and it'll run on 24v
[04:29:00] <ssi> just buy a big enough 24 supply :)
[04:29:23] <ssi> the pico is probably 80% efficient, so it needs at most 150W of input power
[04:29:31] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-IN-BOX-ASTEC-ACV24N4-8-POWER-SUPPLY-24V-OUTPUT-/151812672134?hash=item2358bd8a86 that is the supply I plan to use
[04:29:34] <ssi> that's 6a, but realistically you're not going to use anything like 120W
[04:30:09] <ssi> unless you're using ZeeshanMath(tm)
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[04:30:42] <ssi> why that supply
[04:30:52] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mean-Well-MW-24V-14-6A-350W-AC-DC-Switching-Power-Supply-NES-350-24-UL-PSU-/331692579652?hash=item4d3a6b1b44:g:NYIAAOxyNwNSIZnI
[04:31:03] <ssi> $15 cheaper, 3x more current, and 100% more reputable :)
[04:31:11] <zeeshan> i kinda like pete's supply
[04:31:12] <PetefromTn_> well because it is the same as the one in the cincinatti that has lasted for a very long time
[04:31:15] <zeeshan> cause its linear
[04:31:21] <zeeshan> less change of blow up
[04:31:21] <ssi> is it?
[04:31:34] <zeeshan> looks like it to me :P
[04:31:35] <ssi> yea I guess so
[04:31:43] <ssi> that explains why so little current for so many moneys
[04:31:53] <zeeshan> .8A?
[04:32:03] <ssi> 4.8A
[04:32:03] <zeeshan> that wouldnt even turn on my light bulb
[04:32:04] <zeeshan> :D
[04:32:09] <zeeshan> jk
[04:32:09] <PetefromTn_> it works great on the cincinatti but there was concern about output
[04:32:37] <PetefromTn_> everything on the cinci is 24v now
[04:32:47] <PetefromTn_> it WAS 120v originally
[04:32:54] <zeeshan> zzap
[04:33:01] <ssi> Astec Power Supply is no longer in business and/or Astec Power Supply no longer provides factory-authorized support service for its legacy products. End users in all markets such as Manufacturing, Computers, Industrial, Medical, Aerospace, Military, Simulation, Semi-conductor, Laser, etc are being impacted.
[04:33:06] <ssi> Need Astec Power Supply 48 Volts? 5 Volt? 24 Volt? 36 Volt? 65 Volt? It does not matter.
[04:33:09] <ssi> Need Astec Power Supplies 25 Amps? 50 Amps? 100 Amps? 200 Amps? It does not matter.
[04:33:12] <ssi> lol
[04:33:32] <ssi> I think astec used to make big linear toroid power transformers that I used for audio stuff
[04:33:35] <ssi> sucks that they don't anymore
[04:33:41] <PetefromTn_> I am just trying to components that are proven to last
[04:33:59] <ssi> well obviously astec the company didn't last :)
[04:34:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah I got that thanks
[04:34:17] <zeeshan> rofl
[04:34:22] <ssi> personally I wouldn't use a linear supply
[04:34:25] <zeeshan> y
[04:34:29] <zeeshan> they last forever
[04:34:37] <ssi> not necessarily true
[04:34:40] <ssi> they're far less efficient
[04:34:50] <ssi> they're much CLEANER
[04:34:59] <PetefromTn_> the one in my machine WOULD have lasted forever had I not blown it to smithereenes
[04:35:00] <ssi> but that's not so important for this application
[04:35:22] <PetefromTn_> the one I replaced it with is identical
[04:35:51] <PetefromTn_> they're also not chinese I believe
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[04:36:45] <ssi> not us made
[04:36:49] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I bridgeported a RX7 case today ;)
[04:36:49] <ssi> phillipines maybe
[04:37:01] <ssi> anyway, meanwell switchers are chinese, but they're very good quality supplies
[04:37:06] <ssi> that's the last I'll say about it :)
[04:37:12] <zeeshan> nice
[04:37:24] <zeeshan> taiwanese
[04:37:29] <zeeshan> i thought, not chinese
[04:37:30] <Jymmm> But ssi's MEAN WELL
[04:37:37] <ssi> taiwan is china
[04:37:38] * ssi ducks
[04:37:42] <zeeshan> wat
[04:37:43] <PetefromTn_> I would not mind saving a few bucks if you think it is a quality unit
[04:37:55] <zeeshan> meanwell is top notch
[04:37:57] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I wouldn't hesitate to use meanwell switchers
[04:38:00] <ssi> they're great supplies
[04:38:06] <zeeshan> it even beats some american supplies
[04:38:09] <ssi> yep
[04:38:13] <PetefromTn_> and that one you linked you guys would recommend
[04:38:21] <ssi> yeah
[04:38:51] <PetefromTn_> is it like my linear where you can hook to it and get 12 or 24v?
[04:38:56] <zeeshan> no
[04:38:58] <ssi> no, it's a 24v supply
[04:39:14] <PetefromTn_> so's mine
[04:39:24] <PetefromTn_> but its basically two 12v supplies
[04:39:26] <Jymmm> LICK IT
[04:39:33] <PetefromTn_> and you go across both to get the 24v
[04:39:41] <PetefromTn_> or you can hook to one side and get 12v
[04:40:17] <PetefromTn_> why does it appear to have 9 terminals?
[04:40:39] <ssi> L/N/G COM COM COM V+ V+ V+
[04:40:46] <PetefromTn_> oh shit thats an auction
[04:41:02] <PetefromTn_> so multiple 24v outputs
[04:41:04] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KTJE3L4?keywords=meanwell%2024v&qid=1446525660&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1
[04:41:11] <ssi> it's just multiple terminals to the same bus
[04:41:23] <Jymmm> http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HLB1p6vUFVXXXXXvXVXXq6xXFXXXB/202807877/HLB1p6vUFVXXXXXvXVXXq6xXFXXXB.jpg
[04:41:25] <ssi> last time I ordered one of those from amazon, I got mofugg'n SAME DAY SHIPPING for $9
[04:41:55] <PetefromTn_> mofuggn?
[04:42:00] <ssi> you heard me
[04:42:21] <PetefromTn_> thats a 350 watt unit
[04:42:28] <ssi> same as the one i linked from ebay
[04:42:37] * Jymmm runs ssi thrut eh ebonics translator.... He meant mofo
[04:42:45] <anomynous> what is UL switching?
[04:42:57] <ssi> Jymmm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0j2dVuhr6s
[04:43:13] <Jymmm> anomynous: the inverse of DL switching
[04:43:22] <anomynous> what is DL switching?
[04:43:30] <ssi> anomynous: a switching supply that is UL listed? :P
[04:43:33] <Jymmm> anomynous: the inverse of UL switching
[04:43:34] <PetefromTn_> okay so lets say I get that switcher
[04:43:39] <ssi> coupled witha poorly written title?
[04:43:45] <PetefromTn_> and I get that pico that takes 24v
[04:43:46] <anomynous> upload and download electricity?
[04:43:52] <Jymmm> exactly
[04:43:54] <PetefromTn_> and that 12v main board
[04:44:01] <PetefromTn_> will that all work together?
[04:44:06] <ssi> you don't need the 12v main board in that case
[04:44:10] <ssi> you need a regular motherboard
[04:44:15] <PetefromTn_> ok
[04:44:24] <ssi> the 12v board is designed to be fed directly from 12v
[04:44:30] <PetefromTn_> sure
[04:44:32] <ssi> which you won't have if you use the switcher
[04:44:38] <anomynous> Jymmm, so what does it mean in practice?
[04:44:53] <PetefromTn_> I thought there was a need for 12v in the system somewhere
[04:44:56] <Jymmm> anomynous: Were you serious?
[04:45:06] <anomynous> no. I was asking seriously
[04:45:07] <anomynous> ;D
[04:45:13] <ssi> Jymmm: with great troll comes great responsibility
[04:45:20] <anomynous> ssi ;D
[04:45:32] <ssi> anomynous: UL means that it's less likely to blow up and/or kill you than most chinese power supplies
[04:45:35] <Jymmm> anomynous: UL = Underwriters Labratory certification http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/showpage.html?name=E183223&ccnshorttitle=Power+Supplies,+Information+Technology+Equipment+Including+Electrical+Business+Equipment+-+Component&objid=1073788113&cfgid=1073741824&version=versionless&parent_id=1073787374&sequence=1
[04:45:51] <Jymmm> anomynous: Switching (as opposed to linear PS)
[04:46:15] <PetefromTn_> I must say that a more powerful power supply coupled with a PC power supply that is tiny and does not require custom mounting is appealing
[04:46:15] <ssi> s/most/non-UL-listed/
[04:46:23] <Jymmm> they just ran out of room on the label to sspace it out
[04:46:31] <anomynous> thats cool. what is a switching power source?
[04:46:33] <ssi> PetefromTn_: that's how I'd do it
[04:46:46] <ssi> anomynous: the two main topologies of power supplies are switching and linear
[04:46:55] <PetefromTn_> I had to make custom mounts for the box power supply in the cinci as well as build and run the 120v cabling
[04:46:57] <ssi> they are built drastically differently and are good for different applications
[04:47:06] <PetefromTn_> sure
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[04:47:16] <Jymmm> switching PS are emi/rfi noisey
[04:47:16] <anomynous> ssi, thanks ;D
[04:47:26] <PetefromTn_> do those have overload and short protections etc?
[04:47:27] <ssi> Jymmm: yes, but way more efficient
[04:47:31] <ssi> PetefromTn_: yes
[04:47:47] <PetefromTn_> they are noisy?
[04:48:00] <ssi> PetefromTn_: electrically noisy
[04:48:05] <ssi> moreso than linear supplies
[04:48:08] <ssi> nothing you need to be concerned about
[04:48:15] <PetefromTn_> are ya sure?
[04:48:20] <ssi> if you were using it to build some studio pro audio gear, I might steer you toward a linear supply
[04:48:23] <Jymmm> yes, he's sure
[04:48:40] <Jymmm> or if you had servo/stepper motors involved
[04:48:52] <ssi> oh boy here we go
[04:48:55] <Jymmm> lol
[04:49:11] <PetefromTn_> I want this thing to be DEAD reliable like the Cinci has been so I am taking your advice here guys... don't tell me something unless you are really sure of it
[04:49:20] * Jymmm wonders how long it'll take PetefromTn_ to figure that I'm fucking with him?
[04:49:47] <PetefromTn_> okay recap
[04:49:51] * ssi wonders how long he'll keep trying to convince pete he's not an idiot before pete finally takes advice
[04:49:57] <anomynous> ah so switching power source generates different output voltages?
[04:50:01] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: It's a PS, all elecronics fail, you replace them. This is not 1920's
[04:50:18] <PetefromTn_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KTJE3L4?keywords=meanwell%2024v&qid=1446525660&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1 power supply
[04:50:26] <ssi> anomynous: the point of all power supplies is to turn some voltage into some other voltage
[04:50:41] <PetefromTn_> http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Box-picoPSU-120-WI-25-worlds-tiniest-12-25V/dp/B005TWE488/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1446524883&sr=8-6&keywords=picopsu+wide+input PC supply
[04:50:54] <Jymmm> anomynous: A switching ps takes the impute and jacks it up to hight votlage (4KV+), then brings it back tdown to desired votlage(s)
[04:51:05] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=Q1900M_pro3-_-13-157-565-_-Product main board
[04:51:50] <Jymmm> Err, HV at around 90KHz (thus the "switching" part =)
[04:51:55] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I don't know anything about that board, but if pcw said it's good to go then you're probably in good shape
[04:52:09] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139975 DMM
[04:52:40] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281783475263
[04:52:42] <PetefromTn_> I need to get this shiznit ordered here so I can start building this beotch ;)
[04:52:53] <ssi> what I don't know is if you can use the picopsu with any old board
[04:52:55] <anomynous> why should it do that?
[04:53:01] <ssi> I know it works on itx boards
[04:53:12] <ssi> I imagine it won't work on any board that requires a 4 pin power cable for the cpu
[04:53:16] <ssi> but I dunno
[04:53:53] <ssi> PetefromTn_: also you need to make sure that it's the right memory
[04:54:02] <ssi> a lot of memory requies you to populate it in pairs
[04:54:03] <Jymmm> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148540&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=ddr3_ram-_-20-148-540-_-Product
[04:54:06] <ssi> buying a single stick may not work?
[04:54:18] <ssi> it's been a long time since I've screwed with pc hardware in depth so I dunno offhand
[04:54:35] <Jymmm> 2x 4GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148544&ignorebbr=1&cm_re=ddr3_ram-_-20-148-540-_-Product
[04:54:42] <PetefromTn_> I generally don't know shit about PC hardware which is why I am asking you guys hehe
[04:54:44] <anomynous> linear power source = regulator component soldered on to a pcb? ;D
[04:54:57] <ssi> anomynous: it's not that black and white
[04:55:39] <Jymmm> The two links I gave have FAR better reviews
[04:55:41] <ssi> anomynous: in the context we're talking about power supplies, a linear supply is a stepdown transformer, a rectifier, some filter caps, and a linear regulator component
[04:55:53] <PetefromTn_> those are not the 1333 or 1066
[04:56:00] <Jymmm> and are 1600 instead of 1333
[04:56:12] <Jymmm> Yeah, ther's faster
[04:56:25] <PetefromTn_> but not compatible with that board?
[04:56:36] <anomynous> and switcher is some system which generates multiple output voltages
[04:56:45] <Jymmm> you can always go faster ram
[04:57:04] <anomynous> hmhm
[04:57:05] <PetefromTn_> can you I don't honestly know
[04:57:14] <Jymmm> I just said it
[04:57:55] <Jymmm> But check the mfr's compatability list for your mobo
[04:58:02] <Jymmm> if you want a guarntee
[04:59:35] <Jymmm> My system maxes out at 16GB per mfr. I have 24gb installed, running perfectly, and still have room to goto 32GB =)
[04:59:50] <anomynous> why do you need that much ram?
[04:59:51] <PetefromTn_> ok
[05:00:08] <Jymmm> anomynous: VM's mostly
[05:00:10] <PetefromTn_> ssi you said you are not familiar with that board what board would you recommend?
[05:00:11] <anomynous> hidden google server in your closet
[05:00:12] <anomynous> aaah
[05:00:17] <anomynous> google vms
[05:00:17] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I don't have a recommendation
[05:00:18] <anomynous> ;:D
[05:00:26] <ssi> I'd trust pcw or others who have been testing boards lately
[05:00:31] <PetefromTn_> oh a wiseguy eh
[05:00:37] <ssi> ?
[05:00:40] <PetefromTn_> jk
[05:01:09] <PetefromTn_> I wanna order some stuff here tonight
[05:01:17] <PetefromTn_> I think I will grab the power supply
[05:01:27] <PetefromTn_> I wanted to get that board on its way too
[05:01:28] <ssi> my recommendation is do your homework and make sure everything will work well together
[05:01:39] <ssi> my only concerns would be a) make sure the picopsu will power that board adequately
[05:01:44] <ssi> and b) make sure that ram will work
[05:01:48] <ssi> or get ram that definitely will work
[05:01:57] <PetefromTn_> I have no idea how to determine A
[05:02:11] <anomynous> buy a big enough ;D
[05:04:02] <anomynous> theres also fanless power sources and coolers if you dont want to listen to the fans
[05:04:03] <anomynous> ;D
[05:04:20] <PetefromTn_> this apparently is a fanless
[05:04:33] <PetefromTn_> but honestly I could care less about fan noise
[05:04:35] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I don't know what the deal is with 20 vs 24 pin atx connectors
[05:04:44] <PetefromTn_> the rest of the machine makes enough noise just sitting
[05:04:49] <ssi> my itx board here is 20 pin, but it has a 4 pin cpu power connector
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[05:05:01] <ssi> I have a picopsu on it that's 20 pin with a 4 pin expansion
[05:05:11] <ssi> some of the bigger picopsus have 24 pin connectors
[05:05:21] <ssi> that celeron board you linked is 24 pin
[05:05:22] <anomynous> PetefromTn_, the rest of the noise comes from other fans or cd-drive
[05:05:26] <ssi> so I don't know for SURE that it'll work
[05:05:31] <ssi> you'll just have to do some research and figure it out
[05:05:46] <PetefromTn_> http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Box-picoPSU-120-WI-25-worlds-tiniest-12-25V/dp/B005TWE488/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1446524883&sr=8-6&keywords=picopsu+wide+input
[05:05:53] <PetefromTn_> thats the one I am looking at
[05:07:09] <anomynous> but if you get fansless power source and you have otherwise poor air circulation in the case you might have to get a separate fan ;D Just a thought.
[05:07:44] <PetefromTn_> http://www.amazon.com/Mini-Box-picoPSU-120-WI-25-worlds-tiniest-12-25V/dp/B005TWE488/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1446524883&sr=8-6&keywords=picopsu+wide+input This says Matx but there are M3 M2 M4 how do I know what the board is?
[05:08:33] <PetefromTn_> the pico I just posted appears to be 20 pin
[05:09:02] <PetefromTn_> and the board is a 24 pin ATX
[05:12:43] <PetefromTn_> http://www.amazon.com/DC-ATX-16V-24V-input-mini-ITX-Supply/dp/B00G5KAHLG/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1446527504&sr=8-3-fkmr1&keywords=picopsu+24pin+ATX+wide+input this is what I need I think but its greyed out
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[05:16:37] <PetefromTn_> shit I can't find a 24 pin wide input range DC power supply from pico for the miniATX
[05:16:51] <PetefromTn_> and I gotta get to bed so I can work tomorrow
[05:16:58] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 folks
[05:17:09] <Connor> PetefromTn_: One sec
[05:17:17] <PetefromTn_> ok
[05:17:34] <Connor> I have a link somewhere.. let me find it.
[05:17:47] <PetefromTn_> what do you think of these selections?
[05:18:42] <Connor> http://www.logicsupply.com/products/components/power-supplies/picopsu/
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[05:19:04] <Connor> The red ones.
[05:19:50] <PetefromTn_> http://www.logicsupply.com/pico120wi-25/
[05:20:19] <PetefromTn_> that handles the hard drive too no?
[05:20:30] <Connor> yes.
[05:20:40] <Connor> is it 20 pin or 24 pin ?
[05:20:43] <Connor> the mobo ?
[05:20:48] <PetefromTn_> what is your opinion of the combo here
[05:21:02] <PetefromTn_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=Q1900M_pro3-_-13-157-565-_-Product&RandomID=38391751365916020151102205138
[05:21:28] <PetefromTn_> 24
[05:21:49] <Connor> I know nothing about the mobo.
[05:22:22] <PetefromTn_> look like they only have 12v models
[05:22:44] <Connor> The red ones are wide input
[05:22:47] <PetefromTn_> http://www.logicsupply.com/picopsu-160/
[05:22:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah but none of them are 24 pin
[05:23:27] <Connor> gimme a minute.. they make a adapter that can plug into the HD connector to give you the other 4 pins.
[05:24:06] <Connor> http://www.logicsupply.com/pwr-mp/
[05:24:11] <Connor> I THINK that's it.. but let me check.
[05:28:18] <PetefromTn_> kinda surprising that if all you need is a 4 dollar patch cable that they do not make a wide range 24 pin power supply
[05:28:32] <Connor> Some mobo's can run using a 20 pin atx in a 24 pin mobo.
[05:28:37] <Connor> That's not the right cable.
[05:28:46] <Connor> That's for a standalone 4 pin..
[05:28:57] <Connor> the 4 extra pins are 12v, 5v, 3.3v and Common
[05:29:28] <Connor> http://www.amazon.com/FrozenCPU-20-pin-24-pin-Supply-Adapter/dp/B0030CQ9FA
[05:29:29] <Connor> would work
[05:30:11] <PetefromTn_> Lemme sleep on this I don't HAVE to order tonight I really appreciate all the help here.
[05:30:22] <Connor> no problem. This for the lathe ?
[05:30:23] <PetefromTn_> I want to get this stuff figured out and ordered
[05:30:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[05:30:36] <PetefromTn_> I already have the servos and drives on their way here
[05:30:56] <Connor> Cool
[05:31:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am getting excited
[05:31:25] <PetefromTn_> can't wait to see this beast make some chips
[05:31:32] <PetefromTn_> well good night man
[05:31:47] <Connor> later
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[05:33:17] <Contract_Pilot> Plugged in the 5i25 and reloaded tormach it flashed... now have to go back and rest!
[05:34:00] <Connor> anyone know what's different for the tormach flashed version vs standard issue 5i25 ?
[05:34:06] <Contract_Pilot> First Priority is to fix the truck when feeling better.
[05:35:33] <Contract_Pilot> 2-3 Shift Solenoid filed on the way home last night.
[05:35:33] <Contract_Pilot> Ahhh failed!
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[07:54:40] <Deejay> moin
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[10:13:16] <plasma_ger> hi i bouth a xhbc hb04 works fine
[10:13:38] <plasma_ger> i put the mashine togethere and now it fals to start
[10:14:08] <plasma_ger> "/usr/bin/linuxcnc: Zeile 716: 3667 Speicherzugriffsfehler $EMCDISPLAY -ini "$INIFILE" $EMCDISPLAYARGS $EXTRA_ARGS"
[10:14:37] <plasma_ger> it started 2times bevor
[10:14:47] <plasma_ger> someone can help me
[10:14:53] <plasma_ger> im on 2.6
[10:15:34] <plasma_ger> is this the Hb04 section or somthig els
[10:15:54] <plasma_ger> LINUXCNC - 2.6.0-pre0-4831-g67bb7b9
[10:18:14] <archivist> immediately after trying to start it in a terminal window and it fails, type dmesg
[10:19:23] <plasma_ger> archivist to me
[10:19:37] <archivist> to you
[10:20:23] <plasma_ger> "[ 1582.641045] axis[4039]: segfault at 0 ip 01069f23 sp bfc6ce00 error 4 in librs274.so.0[f9a000+14b000]
[10:20:25] <plasma_ger> [
[10:21:27] <plasma_ger> this comes from axis[4039]:
[10:21:54] <archivist> did you compile yourself, or what
[10:22:00] <plasma_ger> no
[10:22:08] <plasma_ger> buildbot
[10:22:19] <archivist> ah, bleeding edge
[10:22:32] <plasma_ger> shoudt i update to 2.7 stable
[10:23:42] <plasma_ger> but then i lose all my editing of the components
[10:24:06] <plasma_ger> it started 2times on that config
[10:24:16] <archivist> but is your segfault from one of those edits
[10:25:01] <plasma_ger> ashine is running
[10:25:12] <plasma_ger> i did 4 times in a row starting linuxcnc
[10:25:59] <plasma_ger> now last dmsg is initialized AnyIO board at 0000:03:0c.0
[10:26:08] <plasma_ger> from 5i25
[10:26:57] <archivist> your symptoms are also a sign of bad memory/ motherboard/connections
[10:27:07] <plasma_ger> so to me the config is ok
[10:28:07] <plasma_ger> but its only at the new config the older ones with xbox controller running fist click
[10:31:09] <plasma_ger> use software openGL libraries is to be the solution
[10:34:50] <plasma_ger> im restarting
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[10:42:22] <XXCoder> fist click
[10:42:32] <XXCoder> is that arming fist gun? :P
[10:42:38] <XXCoder> gonna love that typo
[10:53:41] <XXCoder> archivist: odd guys not coming back
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[11:40:21] <archivist> some never come in when its working
[11:40:34] <XXCoder> fun
[11:40:43] <XXCoder> well good I guess? lol
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[17:04:07] <rhavenj> hi there, is there a software to translate a .ngc to heidenhain .h format?
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[17:18:46] <anomynous> im just curious, but why do you want that?
[17:18:52] <anomynous> doesnt your control read gcode?
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[17:19:14] <archivist> not all gcode is created equal :)
[17:19:21] <anomynous> almost equal
[17:19:26] <anomynous> regex helps if not
[17:19:27] <anomynous> ;D
[17:19:50] <archivist> not even close, Ocodes etc
[17:20:18] <anomynous> theyre all fanuc anyway
[17:20:19] <anomynous> ;D
[17:22:16] <anomynous> but its one line of code to change t2; m6; into g91g28z0;g90;m6t2; or make a such change. How much different can they be?
[17:26:20] <archivist> stuff with ocodes(subroutines) and variables, a lot
[17:27:19] <archivist> stuff coming out of some cam program is probably easier
[17:28:13] <archivist> might have to swap axes and offsets too
[17:31:17] <anomynous> well, thats another line if variables syntax is different?
[17:32:55] <anomynous> theres some standard to the gcode, isnt there?
[17:33:17] <anomynous> like start with %, this gcode does this and that does that and end with %
[17:33:28] <anomynous> and then manufacturers add their own stuff and syntax?
[17:33:42] <archivist> they nearly all have "extensions"
[17:34:19] <anomynous> s/nearly//
[17:34:38] <archivist> and some just did not implement parts like full circles
[17:35:06] <anomynous> well, i wasn't talking of generating gcode. Just modifying gcode from one control to another
[17:37:04] <archivist> you have to generate stuff to convert
[17:37:24] <anomynous> not if you're just not wanting to pay for cam post editor ;D
[17:37:36] <anomynous> post*
[17:37:38] <anomynous> not editor
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[17:45:15] <JT-Shop2> dammit I keep breaking taps off in that 7075
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[17:55:59] <maxcnc> archivist ?
[17:56:53] <archivist> er wot?
[17:57:25] <maxcnc> hi i need to say sorry for todays miss i lost the pc and the mashine at xhc hook up
[17:57:34] <maxcnc> and therefor i coudent come back
[17:57:47] <maxcnc> 2hr for a reinstall
[17:57:57] <maxcnc> not related to linuxcnc
[17:58:39] <maxcnc> as you expected the memory coudt be faulty 2
[18:00:46] <maxcnc> the mashine is now on 2.8 running and as expected funcion and movements are good
[18:01:12] <maxcnc> the xbox 2 hb04 did last now 3hr
[18:02:12] <maxcnc> the new system also required me to update the 5i25 and the 7i76 firmware
[18:03:22] <maxcnc> PCW thanks for the great job on updating things and scripts you provide
[18:09:44] <pcw_home> Sorry for the forced firmware upgrade, but all serial remotes except the
[18:09:46] <pcw_home> 7I64 had stack overflow bug which is a bad thing in a I/O controller
[18:09:47] <pcw_home> We are pretty sure no one ever triggered the bug (its hard to trigger)
[18:09:49] <pcw_home> but the results of the bug were not pretty
[18:13:50] <maxcnc> no problem
[18:14:17] <maxcnc> has been a great advantce to me to do this once
[18:15:03] <pcw_home> Seemed the best thing was an error pop-up in LinuxCNC 2.7+ to annoy the user into upgrading :-)
[18:15:49] <maxcnc> most of our 30+ mesa mashines have still 2.4 running
[18:16:19] <maxcnc> this has been the first PC breakdown for this year
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[18:49:14] <CaptHindsight> "<maxcnc> most of our 30+ mesa mashines" I wonder if they are all the same machines or if they use it on all sorts in their shop.
[18:50:09] <ssi> I have six mesa machines, if you count the one that I destroyed
[18:52:53] <archivist> the impression in here is usually of the odd ones and twos
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[19:00:04] <duc> Does mesa allow a input from a absolute encoder. Looking at yaskawa SGDV servo drives
[19:03:48] <ssi> CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBb9O-aW4zI
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[19:12:45] <PCW> Current firmware supports Fanuc, SSI, and BISS absolute encoders if the Yaskawa _drive_ can support any of these, it should work
[19:12:46] <PCW> we do not currently support the Yaskawa proprietary encoder format but that's typically used only between the drive and the motor
[19:21:40] <duc> From the info in the manual the servo pack decodes the signal then outputs a external signal as a 2 phase pulse (phase A and B) with 90° phase differential plus a phase C once a rotation
[19:22:24] <ssi> duc: that's just standard incremental quadrature
[19:22:37] <ssi> sounds like your drive is consuming the absolute encoder and providing an incremental encoder signal upstream to the control
[19:22:41] <ssi> that'll be easy to deal with
[19:23:26] <duc> Ok. That's what I thought. Before I spend the money on servos to replace my old steppers I want to make sure
[19:25:14] <PCW> ( There are some drives that have local absolute encoders (battery backed) that have a SSI interface so that the controller knows the absolute position )
[19:25:41] <duc> Replacing old Bridgeport boss 5 steppers from the 80s
[19:26:11] <PCW> ( That is, the drives host interface has a SSI absolute encoder interface )
[19:27:45] <duc> Any recommendations on cheap servos besides yaskawa that wont break the bank. Look into DMM but that doesn't close the loop and still cost 700 per acis
[19:27:53] <PCW> most modern (but non fieldbus) servo drives have the option of Quadrature simulated encoder signals fed back to the host
[19:28:51] <duc> Looking at 750w att or 29 in/lb range
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[19:57:09] <duc> How many steps will newer steppers lose over the course of a hour of running in a cnc mill.
[19:57:38] <ssi> zero if they're set up correctly
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[19:58:33] <archivist> losing steps is a fundamental error
[19:59:33] <duc> And micro stepping is improved? Compared to old ones from 80s
[20:00:31] <duc> I'm unable to improve the ratio on drive system to the bridgeport to improve the step over. As of now .001 is best case.
[20:00:36] <archivist> I am not a particular fan of microsteps, they help with resonance problems
[20:01:48] <cradek> I understand microsteps give you smoothness, but not really better positioning
[20:02:10] <cradek> if your machine has .001/step you're not going to machine to .0001 by changing to 10 microsteps
[20:02:10] <duc> Face
[20:02:40] <ssi> cradek: I guess you could look at it like the microstepping provides more blended commutation between discrete steps
[20:02:46] <cradek> yes
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[20:03:36] <duc> So I will need to move to servo to improve accuracy with machining. I don't need .0001 but more repeatability. New machines have issues with .0001 repeatability in maching
[20:03:37] <cradek> your 80s bridgeport has loose ballscrews and the X axis is an arc instead of linear, anyway
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[20:04:14] <cradek> if you need more accuracy than .001 you may need a totally different class of machine
[20:04:17] <Connor> http://www.geckodrive.com/support/step-motor-basics/accuracy-and-resolution.html
[20:04:45] <archivist> http://www.micromo.com/microstepping-myths-and-realities
[20:04:48] <cradek> also the Y axis is loose in the center of travel and tight at the ends... :-)
[20:05:16] <duc> .001 would be fine for me. How is the x axis a arc instead of linear
[20:05:20] <archivist> old loose machines need unidirectional gcode
[20:05:27] <cradek> because that's how they wear
[20:05:36] <cradek> put a machinists level on it and you'll see
[20:06:15] <Connor> archivist How do you do a profile or pocket with unidirectional gcode? :)
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[20:07:00] <archivist> Connor, I dont, but I cut my gears wherever possible with unidirectional code
[20:07:14] <Connor> on the rotary table ?
[20:07:18] <Connor> or A axis.
[20:07:23] <archivist> I think like a manual machinist when coding
[20:07:44] <archivist> all axes involved
[20:07:51] <Connor> ah
[20:08:32] <duc> So nothing will be gained with servos?
[20:08:49] <archivist> yes, speed
[20:09:02] <ssi> you can gain resolution with servos
[20:09:04] <ssi> depending on your encoders
[20:09:14] <ssi> the resolution of your steppers isn't related to the wear in your machine
[20:09:16] <ssi> but they're both issues
[20:09:39] <duc> 14 bit encoders. Machine has some wear but still has moon flaking on all surfaces
[20:09:45] <archivist> you can take out the wear with a scraper
[20:09:52] <Connor> you can gain resolution with steppers by using timing bets and pulleys..
[20:10:01] <ssi> 15:00 < duc> I'm unable to improve the ratio on drive system to the bridgeport to improve the step over. As of now .001 is best case.
[20:10:42] <duc> System already has 1:1 timing belts and I am unable to fit a 2:1 ratio. Tried that
[20:11:02] <Connor> Really?
[20:11:38] <duc> Yea. X-axis is a snug fit where the pulley is.
[20:12:07] <duc> Y was possible with some grinding
[20:12:07] <Connor> Would have to see what your saying...
[20:12:43] <duc> I'll upload a picture to photobucket
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[20:15:54] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0yM5fHjxqc 2:50 drilling (feeding) 670ipm (17000mm/min) into cast iron ;D
[20:17:38] <duc> Can't find picture but there is the pulley on the ball screw that has 1/4 clearance till it hits the table and motor pulley can be enlarge 2 teeth till it contacts the casting about
[20:18:08] <Connor> duc: How large are the pulleys? Can you make one smaller ?
[20:18:13] <cradek> what problem are you solving? like what actual machining problem?
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[20:20:16] <duc> http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd465/shefron/Machinery/20150924_202023_zps3tfdz0ir.jpg
[20:20:30] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: Got a Kurt D60 Vise now
[20:20:55] <Connor> duc: Dude.. You can make the drive pulley half that size...
[20:21:36] <duc> Smallest size is 14 tooth that can be purchased for motor and 28 tooth for ball screw
[20:21:40] <cradek> yeah you can surely change that to 1:2 without changing the casting
[20:22:40] <cradek> you might have to make them if they're not available off the shelf
[20:22:53] <duc> It looks deceiving but they do not fit at 1:2. I have them in hand at home
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[20:30:34] <CaptHindsight> ssi: after-all don't you deserve only the best
[20:30:52] <ssi> absolutely
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[20:41:42] <duc> Not sure what casting differences between boss 5 and boss 6. Did they change the ball screw lead between the machines
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[21:14:23] <Loetmichel2> hihi, this instant drink is a nice power training... "shake or stir well for 2 minutes after pouring contents of bag into 2-2.5 liters water"... shaking a 2.5 liters water bottle for 2 minutes builds up your arm muscles ;) *phew*
[21:18:10] <SpeedEvil> Remember to swap arms, or you'll look like a wonky popeye.
[21:18:31] <XXCoder> or chronic masturbator
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[21:42:55] <PetefromTn_> wow
[21:43:13] <PetefromTn_> I just ordered the motors and drives the other day from CANADA and they are here already
[21:43:29] <PetefromTn_> I figured it would be at least a week
[21:43:33] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Canada loves you.
[21:43:41] <PetefromTn_> hehe apparently
[21:43:54] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: ask zeeshan.
[21:44:11] <PetefromTn_> ask zeeshan what?
[21:44:44] <FinboySlick> Well, if he took part in the official Canadian pete-loving program.
[21:45:14] <FinboySlick> I signed up as soon as they made it mandatory.
[21:45:20] <PetefromTn_> well at one time I would have doubted that but somehow we now get along I think ;)
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[21:47:02] <XXCoder> canada has fast shipping
[21:47:14] <PetefromTn_> apparently I listened to 384 songs on pandora this month :D
[21:47:19] <XXCoder> and oddly, shipping into canada is cheaper than shipping from canada to canada
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[22:03:20] <roycroft> shipping from eastern canada to the western united states is also much faster than shipping from north vancouver to burnaby
[22:04:25] <roycroft> if it weren't such a hassle, i'd say it's faster to ship from the lower mainland bc to somehere just across the border like blaine washington and then back to somewhere else in the lower mainland than to ship directly from one location to the other
[22:04:53] <roycroft> because yay, canada post!
[22:05:16] <Sync> PCW: is there a reason why the power input on the 7i80 is only 5V? or was it supposed to always get power from the breakout boards?
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[22:10:51] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:30:29] <R2E4> Hi guys, I am powering up a system and need a little 7i77 help....lol
[22:31:28] <R2E4> I have a driver that needs ground as input for drive enable. It also needs a 24vdc for ref.
[22:32:32] <MacGalempsy> R2E4: for the ground use a relay
[22:32:34] <R2E4> 7i77 servo enable out I should be able to just connect the ENAN+ to the input that needs the ground and when LCNC sends enable that will go to ground. Correct
[22:33:14] <R2E4> The ENAN should be able to drive it directly no
[22:33:32] <R2E4> I did that with my VMC and it worked. Thats what Peter told me to do
[22:33:46] <MacGalempsy> then why are you asking?
[22:33:49] <R2E4> I just dont remember which to send + or -
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[22:37:28] <R2E4> Is PCW around?
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[22:49:10] <R2E4> Here is the drives input.... http://i67.tinypic.com/2cpxlq9.png
[22:49:35] <R2E4> pin 6 is drive enable
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[23:05:45] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 hang on man
[23:05:59] <R2E4> Hey Pete, Howz it going
[23:06:01] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to get a photo of my wiring scheme drawing for you
[23:06:06] <PetefromTn_> not sure it will help or not
[23:06:12] <PetefromTn_> Its going well how are you
[23:06:43] <R2E4> IS your drives active low for server enable?
[23:07:04] <R2E4> How you doing with your CNC Lathe retrofitÉ
[23:08:01] <PetefromTn_> I believe the Tecos were indeed active low enable
[23:08:14] <PetefromTn_> the CNC lathe retrofit is finally starting to take shape
[23:08:14] <ssi> can they be switched/converted?
[23:08:19] <JT-Shop2> ha the only page in my 7i77 manual that I didn't take notes was the enables
[23:08:30] <PetefromTn_> I received the motors and drives today
[23:08:32] <ssi> with mesa stuff you really need active high enables
[23:08:36] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/Qz2ATYZ
[23:08:43] <JT-Shop2> my Anilam drives are low enable too
[23:08:53] <ssi> er maybe not actually
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[23:09:26] <ssi> the enable outputs on the '77 are optocouplers
[23:09:31] <PetefromTn_> that TB1 to TB5 jumper is as I recall what allows the enable to be low
[23:09:31] <ssi> I think you can wire them either way
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[23:09:49] <ssi> AMC drives are active low INHIBITS by default
[23:09:58] <ssi> that was the issue, you want active enable, not active inhibit
[23:10:02] <ssi> I think high or low is fine either way
[23:11:02] <PCW> For active low enables ENAN+ goes to drive enable and ENAN- goes to drive common=gnd
[23:12:34] <PCW> the 7I77 enable outputs are just OPTO transistors so ENAN+ is the collector so must be +
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[23:12:49] <R2E4> Thanks PCW, thats is exactly what wa written in the manual, but wanted to make sure. that came right after the enable sigals are polarity sensitive, you can damage if connected incorrectly message.
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[23:13:19] <PCW> if you wire them backwards (and current is not too high) they will always be on
[23:13:29] <R2E4> http://i67.tinypic.com/2cpxlq9.png
[23:13:32] <ssi> the other fun thing I've run into is the 7i76/7i77 field outputs are sourcing, and they won't run active low relay boards like are common for arduino stuff
[23:13:48] <ssi> I actually hacked up one of those relay boards to make it active high, and it was a hassle but it worked
[23:13:55] <R2E4> that is the image in the drive manual. Do I need to connect the 24v ref?
[23:14:34] <duc> Well motors are ordered 750watt yaskawa for 150 each. Should have low balled more
[23:15:01] <R2E4> pcw: I should be able to connect the enan+ to pin 6 in the pic. no need for the 24vdc to pin 9?
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[23:17:23] <SpeedEvil> h
[23:19:41] <R2E4> PetefromTn_: You changed the drives and motors on the lathe also?
[23:20:03] <PetefromTn_> I bought the lathe basically stripped of most of its componentry
[23:20:29] <PetefromTn_> I would have removed them and replaced with new even if there had been components on the machine when I purchased it
[23:20:55] <PetefromTn_> I would have sold them for money to buy the new parts as I did with the Cincinatti
[23:22:52] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 what are you building?
[23:27:41] <R2E4> A massice 5 X 12 CNC router with huge servos
[23:27:51] <PetefromTn_> nice
[23:27:58] <PetefromTn_> did you build it from scratch
[23:29:20] <R2E4> yes
[23:29:30] <PetefromTn_> excellent
[23:29:35] <PCW> 24V must go to pin 9 or theres no power source for their OPTO LEDs
[23:29:39] <R2E4> I upload pics in a minute, trying to get LCNC started for first time
[23:29:54] <R2E4> OK, thats what I did. thanks
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[23:41:39] <andypugh> R24E 5 x 12 inches, feet or metres?
[23:42:25] <PetefromTn_> lol
[23:44:15] <andypugh> I saw some not-quite 5 x 12 cm laser engravers on eBay. Astonishingly cheap, so cheap I might just buy one anyway: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEJE-300mW-USB-Laser-Engraver-Cutter-Engraving-Cutting-Machine-Laser-Printer-UK-/291556338941?hash=item43e21cacfd:g:1csAAOSwT6pV6eAG
[23:44:51] <PetefromTn_> astonishingly cheap never ends well in my experience
[23:44:53] <andypugh> 1.5” x 1.5” approx travel.
[23:45:19] <JT-Shop> if I can find some gyeojagaru I'm all set
[23:45:22] <andypugh> But it is held together with 108 screws!
[23:46:14] <PetefromTn_> MAN a whole 1.5x1.5 jeez what you could do with that!! ;)
[23:47:01] <JT-Shop> 5% off if you buy 3 or more!
[23:50:50] <JT-Shop> lol google speaks Korean but Hmart (Korean store) does not
[23:50:57] <Tom_itx> does SW have a wiring lib?
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[23:51:48] <JT-Shop> I'm not sure
[23:51:57] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, when you draw a spring in SW is there a way to get the "flat" on the ends?
[23:52:07] <JT-Shop> I used an ACAD add on to do wiring diagrams
[23:52:08] <Tom_itx> where it's partially crushed and flat on top
[23:52:23] <JT-Shop> yea, just cut it off
[23:52:23] <PetefromTn_> cut?
[23:52:24] <Tom_itx> coil spring
[23:52:46] <Tom_itx> what about where the ends are somewhat crushed together.. ie non uniform coil
[23:52:48] <JT-Shop> or are you talking about the last coils touch and are ground flat
[23:52:54] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:53:00] <Tom_itx> but ground flat on the last one
[23:53:13] <JT-Shop> yea you have to extrude it like that
[23:53:13] <Tom_itx> i can figure the flat easy enough
[23:53:35] <JT-Shop> maybe you need three spirals end middle end
[23:53:54] <Tom_itx> is there a 'spring' widget for them?
[23:54:10] <Tom_itx> i'm sure not in the ver i have
[23:54:34] <JT-Shop> I don't think so
[23:55:06] <Sync> andypugh: 300mW is pretty useless
[23:56:10] <mozmck> what wattage is useful? I have a friend interested in cutting out parts in basswood
[23:56:43] <_methods> Tom_itx: what do you mean by wiring?
[23:56:45] <R2E4> PetefromTn_: here are the pics of what we are building
[23:56:51] <R2E4> http://i65.tinypic.com/15g9xqu.jpg
[23:56:52] <_methods> like industrial wiring?
[23:56:57] <_methods> if so yes
[23:57:02] <R2E4> http://fr.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=acvi43&s=9#.VjlJdyuZyYQ
[23:57:03] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:57:12] <Tom_itx> just curious about that... wasn't needing it
[23:57:17] <JT-Shop> chow time
[23:57:18] <_methods> yeah they have it
[23:57:21] <JT-Shop> goodnight
[23:57:23] <Tom_itx> burrios
[23:57:27] <Tom_itx> burritos
[23:57:30] <Tom_itx> *
[23:57:31] <R2E4> http://fr.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2j0zfq8&s=9#.VjlJCyuZyYQ
[23:58:27] <_methods> plenty of table