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[00:37:30] <XXCoder> hmm
[00:37:48] <XXCoder> anyone know if there is engineering drawing of 3040 cnc router?
[00:37:52] <XXCoder> one with 43 mm holder
[00:41:46] <ChuangTzu> nope
[00:41:48] <ChuangTzu> :/
[00:41:55] <XXCoder> hm
[00:42:04] <ChuangTzu> anyone know why my stereo suddenly stops making sound except during the powerdown cycle?
[00:42:11] <ChuangTzu> like, in that 1.5s after you push the power button
[00:42:17] <ChuangTzu> when it normally delays before turning off
[00:42:21] <ChuangTzu> that's the only time it makes sound now :(
[00:42:27] <XXCoder> trying to figure how to find sizes so on because my mount is limited to 43 mm and I want to hold 52 mm
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[00:51:11] <jdh> buy a 52mm mount
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[00:52:50] <XXCoder> dont think it will bolt on my machine
[00:53:28] <XXCoder> yep it wont
[00:55:37] <XXCoder> bolt distance is approx 64 mm
[00:55:51] <XXCoder> the 52 mm clamp bolts distance are 70
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[01:07:27] <XXCoder> jdh: the part that connects to Z ballscrew is removable and replaceable but I dont know if 52 mm version of that would fit or not.
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[01:12:33] <XXCoder> http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1mk4KKXXXXXXzXFXXq6xXFXXXJ/221098951/HTB1mk4KKXXXXXXzXFXXq6xXFXXXJ.jpg
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[01:17:13] <zeeshan> i made a serious enclosure for the mill
[01:17:27] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/am5WUn6.jpg
[01:17:33] <zeeshan> on that note its time to get food
[01:17:43] <XXCoder> fancy.
[01:18:09] <XXCoder> I see you opted in to fancy blue color upgrade too
[01:18:14] <zeeshan> haha
[01:18:14] <XXCoder> expensive.
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[01:23:00] <malcom2073_> Haha zeeshanthat's awesome
[01:27:47] <zeeshan> :D
[01:27:57] <XXCoder> okay thats weird
[01:28:04] <XXCoder> I found cnc routers with 43mm spindle
[01:28:09] <XXCoder> why isnt any sold seperately
[01:28:26] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/mini-cnc-3020-router-mini-cnc-3030-router-mini-cnc-3040-router/1945516777.html
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[01:50:30] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/0lvWCVg :D
[02:24:58] <jdh> do you have a spindle?
[02:25:45] <XXCoder> jdh: well a grinder that fits 43mm yeah
[02:25:55] <XXCoder> 27000 rpm only
[02:26:10] <jdh> and you have a 43mm mount?
[02:26:16] <XXCoder> yeah
[02:26:21] <XXCoder> odd thing though
[02:26:36] <XXCoder> my machine has 6 bolt holes but clamp uses only 2
[02:27:02] <jdh> I think mine is an 80
[02:27:54] <XXCoder> 80mm? cool
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[03:07:16] <MacGalempsy> good evening everyone
[03:08:22] <XXCoder> hey
[03:08:34] <MacGalempsy> how are things going tonight?
[03:09:01] <XXCoder> boring
[03:09:21] <MacGalempsy> ah, I here you on that.
[03:09:37] <MacGalempsy> we just had dinner with the grands and got home
[03:09:41] <XXCoder> make me a 52 mm spindle holder lol
[03:10:08] <XXCoder> it sucks that I can't find ANY 3040 cnc router plans anywhere
[03:10:38] <MacGalempsy> just make your own plans
[03:10:55] <XXCoder> I already own one.
[03:11:18] <MacGalempsy> no cloning it?
[03:11:32] <XXCoder> no, need some design info so I can figure stuff out
[03:11:40] <MacGalempsy> ah ok
[03:12:03] <XXCoder> I wish I bought the 52 mm holder model
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[03:13:26] <MacGalempsy> im trying to put together some numbers to try and start a 3d printing seminar where the student learns and builds a 3d printer. trying to keep it at $699
[03:13:45] <XXCoder> theres some really small ones on aliexpress
[03:13:50] <XXCoder> $200 or so
[03:14:37] <MacGalempsy> the goal this week is to pick a model, and try to put the kit together with decent quality parts.
[03:14:57] <MacGalempsy> the goal is to keep people happy and tell friends about the product
[03:16:28] <XXCoder> cool
[03:16:42] <XXCoder> still kinda sad the 3d printer thing didnt work out
[03:16:59] <XXCoder> it'd rock even with kinda crappy model i can fix some stuff and it would work
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[03:20:52] <MacGalempsy> I think so many people get into it and fizzle out because it is too complicated and there is not a lot of support
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[03:25:25] <XXCoder> wb
[03:25:40] <MacGalempsy> sorry got rebooted
[03:25:45] <XXCoder> np
[03:25:54] <XXCoder> I'm thinking best way is just make adoptor plate
[03:26:13] <MacGalempsy> the simplest way to get it working is typically the best
[03:26:22] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:26:46] <XXCoder> just need block that has bolt ons for my machine, and outer 53 mm clamp bolt holes
[03:27:03] <XXCoder> need to be thick enough to sink that inside bolts inside
[03:27:11] <XXCoder> so minium a cm thick maybe
[03:27:26] <MacGalempsy> sounds like you already got a good plan going
[03:27:35] <MacGalempsy> what will you use for cad?
[03:27:36] <XXCoder> possible one anyway
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[03:27:43] <XXCoder> freecad
[03:28:08] <XXCoder> no cam anything at this time
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[03:28:56] <MacGalempsy> depending on how simple the adapter is, it may be easiest to hand write the code
[03:29:31] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:29:41] <XXCoder> little more than few drills
[03:29:47] <XXCoder> maybe few edges
[03:29:55] <XXCoder> do 2 sides, then another 2
[03:30:00] <XXCoder> with m00 to change clamps
[03:30:17] <MacGalempsy> cant you use m98 m99 to clear the clamps?
[03:30:32] <XXCoder> m98 and 99 is unknown to me
[03:30:47] <MacGalempsy> initial plane and r plane
[03:30:57] <MacGalempsy> linuxcnc may not have those codes
[03:31:33] <XXCoder> okay I already made the 52mm clamp in freecad and also 43 mm verison lol
[03:31:36] <MacGalempsy> sorry g98 g99
[03:32:21] <XXCoder> it dont seem to stop and wait?
[03:32:21] <MacGalempsy> use it with canned cylces
[03:32:40] <XXCoder> oh I was talking about trimming sides
[03:32:48] <XXCoder> clamps would be on way for one side
[03:32:53] <MacGalempsy> oic
[03:33:03] <XXCoder> so, trim far and near
[03:33:06] <XXCoder> m00, change clamps
[03:33:11] <XXCoder> then trim left and right
[03:35:17] <MacGalempsy> I am thinking the Prusa 93 would be a good starter printer
[03:35:47] <MacGalempsy> i3 that is
[03:36:04] <XXCoder> not aviliable on amazon but looks decent
[03:36:12] <XXCoder> reviews is decent
[03:36:46] <MacGalempsy> I would like to be able to buy enough for 20, so maybe there will be a small price break
[03:37:08] <XXCoder> my suggestion? if can budget, buy 21
[03:37:12] <MacGalempsy> http://reprap.org/wiki/Prusa_i3
[03:37:23] <XXCoder> 21st is reserve "just in case".
[03:37:56] <MacGalempsy> spare parts will be required, but hopefully if I do a high level of quality control, the just in case part will remain negligable
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[03:39:34] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:39:53] <XXCoder> honestly you just need non-printable spares'
[03:40:00] <XXCoder> couple nema 17s, few screws so on
[03:40:09] <MacGalempsy> there is a local filament company, so hoping I can make a deal with them for some samples and in return the get some business when its time to reup on the filamnet
[03:40:27] <XXCoder> well
[03:40:36] <XXCoder> since its for class
[03:40:40] <XXCoder> I bet there will be many fails
[03:40:49] <XXCoder> I suggest get some sort of unprinter too
[03:41:00] <MacGalempsy> un printer?
[03:41:01] <XXCoder> few hundred bucks
[03:41:04] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:41:09] <MacGalempsy> what is that?
[03:41:16] <XXCoder> turns printed stuff into filament
[03:41:25] <XXCoder> hence the UNprinter
[03:41:27] <MacGalempsy> ah,
[03:41:32] <Wolf_> not worth it
[03:41:34] <MacGalempsy> never heard that term before
[03:41:40] <XXCoder> Wolf_: it is for large class
[03:41:45] <XXCoder> 20 machines, lots fails
[03:41:57] <MacGalempsy> I agree, not worth it. a 1kg roll is $20
[03:42:20] <XXCoder> 1 kg can make what?
[03:42:22] <MacGalempsy> one day will be lecture and theory
[03:42:31] <XXCoder> I dont have scale knowledge at this time lol
[03:42:32] <Wolf_> cheap filament extruder will cause more issues then help
[03:42:32] <MacGalempsy> 1kg can make A LOT
[03:42:41] <XXCoder> lifesize vadar?
[03:43:03] <XXCoder> or maybe lifesize yoda?
[03:43:03] <MacGalempsy> no but 1 kg could do a vader helmet
[03:43:06] <MacGalempsy> lol
[03:43:15] <XXCoder> lol ok
[03:43:25] <XXCoder> that is pretty lot but I still do suggest it
[03:43:27] <XXCoder> less trash
[03:43:30] <MacGalempsy> fortunately the build area is only 200mmx200mmx175mm
[03:43:31] <XXCoder> reuse is best
[03:43:44] <MacGalempsy> that can be a whole different class
[03:43:53] <XXCoder> if students pay for their own reels
[03:43:59] <XXCoder> I bet they will rent your unprinter
[03:44:09] <XXCoder> almost free compared to $20 lb
[03:44:13] <XXCoder> *kg
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[03:44:29] <Wolf_> link to this “unprinter”?
[03:44:31] <MacGalempsy> my goal is to make them happy enough to print stuff and get their friends interested in taking the class
[03:44:39] <XXCoder> Wolf_: well there is few versions
[03:44:44] <XXCoder> there is free plans for one
[03:44:46] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: he is talking about a filastruder
[03:44:48] <XXCoder> lemme find em
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[03:45:06] <XXCoder> http://www.filastruder.com/ yeah
[03:45:27] <MacGalempsy> wondering if since this is murica, I should make them in inches
[03:45:36] <MacGalempsy> or stick to metric
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[03:45:56] <XXCoder> http://deltaprinter.co.za/filamentextruder/index.html
[03:45:59] <XXCoder> this has free plans
[03:46:06] <XXCoder> you need to grind parts
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[03:46:53] <Wolf_> guy I get my filament from was saying a good extruder line is in the $400-550k range
[03:47:16] <MacGalempsy> with the filament quality being so important for the final print quality, I am recommending buying it from a credible source
[03:47:41] <XXCoder> drink lots milk? http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-03/mtu-sma030514.php heh
[03:47:44] <MacGalempsy> I mean, if you have crappy filament and it takes 4 hrs to print, you dont want to get to 3.5hr and have the thing take a shit
[03:47:57] <Wolf_> yup, under sized and it will strip at the feed point, over sized it will jam the head
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[03:48:58] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: that would be a level 2 course :) that course will be $999
[03:49:06] <XXCoder> cool
[03:49:14] <MacGalempsy> i'll let you teach it
[03:49:31] <XXCoder> nah not a good teacher
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[04:44:47] <XXCoder> Wolf_: http://paintraincomic.com/comic/caught-jesters/
[04:49:04] <XXCoder> variant http://pbfcomics.com/258/
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[08:06:12] <Deejay> moin
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[10:11:48] <jthornton> morning
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[10:21:41] <jthornton> crap it's 4am
[10:23:26] <malcom2073_> Don't forget daylight savings
[10:23:36] <malcom2073_> If you're in one of the stupid parts of the world that does that
[10:23:54] <jthornton> yep I'm in a stupid state when it comes to that
[10:24:06] <jthornton> and now you tell me!
[10:24:38] <malcom2073_> I love modern technology: My phone alarm automatically adjusts, so it gives me the extra hour of sleep (and takes it away on the other side)
[10:24:38] <XXCoder> good morning/night/other
[10:25:16] <jthornton> I don't have an alarm any more or a watch
[10:25:49] <XXCoder> watch is rare around here
[10:31:30] <renesis> malcom2073_: my sony alarm clock did that like 15 years ago
[10:31:55] <renesis> shit fell on the floor and smashed itself like a month ago =(
[10:34:18] <XXCoder> heh mines expensive clock $120 when I bought it
[10:34:25] <XXCoder> its still working 15 years later
[10:34:44] <XXCoder> its special clock for deaf, it has jack for vibration alarm, and plug for lamp alarm
[10:37:49] <trentster> howdy all
[10:38:45] <XXCoder> hey
[10:39:31] <trentster> I have auto home switches on X and Y and not Z. I use an auto Z touch off plate with a sunroutine, sometimes when I try and use it I get an error that the movement would exceed the bounds.
[10:39:43] <trentster> Here is what I am currently using https://gist.github.com/trentster/da6d37a6471a6f5f9a96
[10:40:25] <trentster> My question is how do I get the routine to fire and ignore the bounds, should I insert a G49 in the routine?
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[10:46:51] <anomynous> malcom2073_, uk doesnt use daylight savings?
[10:46:59] <malcom2073_> anomynous: Don't know
[10:47:09] <anomynous> where do you live
[10:47:27] <malcom2073_> East coast USA
[10:47:38] <anomynous> i was about to say that russia doesnt use daylight savings
[10:47:39] <anomynous> ;D
[10:48:06] <anomynous> you have less daylight during winters then, if you dont save any.
[10:48:11] <malcom2073_> Heh
[10:48:47] <XXCoder> good thing I save sun into my capactors so I have more sun in winters. ;)
[10:48:55] <anomynous> woah
[10:48:58] <anomynous> you have big capacitors
[10:49:04] <XXCoder> heh I wish
[10:49:09] <malcom2073_> Or very small winters
[10:49:17] <anomynous> also... how do you turn the fusion into electricity? isnt it like fire?
[10:49:28] <XXCoder> I recall one book having glass that takes years for light to get though
[10:49:48] <XXCoder> so rich people in less pretty neighbors buy em to have scenic view
[10:49:53] <malcom2073_> heh
[10:50:12] <XXCoder> thing is once it "runs out" it will display ugly scene for years
[10:50:23] <malcom2073_> Disposable
[10:50:36] <XXCoder> so they swap em and beautful place has tons of glass facing it
[10:50:39] <XXCoder> "recharging"
[10:50:45] <malcom2073_> lol
[10:51:17] <XXCoder> I dont recall if it says anything but I bet it means people can see inside for years too
[10:51:27] <XXCoder> see people, possibly currently dead people do stuff
[10:51:33] <XXCoder> unless curtained that time
[10:57:50] <anomynous> ping
[10:58:04] <XXCoder> error host not founjd
[10:58:15] <anomynous> is that a pong?
[10:58:25] <anomynous> or are you playing a router
[10:58:36] <XXCoder> error unknown command
[10:58:40] <anomynous> hmm
[10:59:00] <anomynous> or an irc bot. lets. try.
[10:59:02] <anomynous> XXCoder, help
[10:59:38] <anomynous> doesn't work.
[10:59:43] <XXCoder> help requested: hard drive formatted
[10:59:52] <anomynous> mine?
[10:59:58] <XXCoder> error unknown command
[11:00:09] <anomynous> its ok... i only have stuff there i dont need. OS is on ssd
[11:00:19] <XXCoder> heh
[11:01:25] <anomynous> mm. I wonder. I was reading that article on servo tracks and stuff. They've been manufacturing HDDs for decades, and they still can't make the tracks round.
[11:02:20] <XXCoder> tracks on hdd or?
[11:02:27] <anomynous> yes
[11:02:48] <anomynous> you know, machinists have known how to make round stuff since the invent of lathe
[11:03:02] <XXCoder> yeah even on lathe cant do perfectly round though
[11:03:18] <anomynous> don't be nit picking ;)
[11:03:35] <XXCoder> whats hard drive error rate though?
[11:03:40] <anomynous> dunno
[11:03:41] <XXCoder> +- .00000001? heh
[11:03:57] <anomynous> and i dunno how to even measure it
[11:04:04] <anomynous> probably not with a micrometer
[11:05:09] <XXCoder> probably not
[11:05:24] <XXCoder> if I recall lego requires 7 sigificant digits when making mold
[11:06:34] <anomynous> i borked an edge when expanding a lathe toolholder hole. switched an insert and took drove it into dimension. Unluckily i only measured it from the top of the hole. And a new toolholder would go only halfway down ;D
[11:07:14] <anomynous> i dont know what that would make from an inch
[11:07:17] <anomynous> in mm
[11:08:11] <XXCoder> lego hq is in metric country
[11:08:19] <XXCoder> so im sure its in mm
[11:09:24] <anomynous> 7 significant? if so if a lego brick is is 15mm wide, that would have to be 100th of a thousandth of a mm? ;D
[11:09:57] <anomynous> rather µm?
[11:11:27] <jthornton> you can't mold plastic to that tolerance lol
[11:11:40] <anomynous> but you can make mold to that accuracy ;)
[11:12:00] <anomynous> well, into a few microns. Maybe? Dunno.
[11:12:23] <Sync> https://education.lego.com/fr-fr/about-us/lego-education-worldwide/making-lego-bricks
[11:12:26] <anomynous> that would probably be useless, though
[11:12:28] <anomynous> ?
[11:12:31] <Sync> The moulds used in production are accurate to within five my (=0.005mm) and this accuracy means than only 18 elements in every million products fail to meet the high quality standard.
[11:13:22] <anomynous> cool.
[11:14:32] <jthornton> hmm my python program works from the terminal but fails when I just click on it and run it
[11:16:40] <jthornton> it fails with error 127 command not found
[11:29:40] <anomynous> $PATH?
[11:29:49] <anomynous> or something
[11:30:01] <XXCoder> jthornton: I said mold not pastic
[11:30:12] <XXCoder> ah anon said so alreacdy lol
[11:30:42] <jthornton> I think it is the way subprocess.call works or doesn't work as this case shows
[11:33:00] <anomynous> im thinking that it is possible that your X session has different PATH than new shells that spawn?
[11:33:35] <anomynous> or maybe something else... the error message is weird ;D
[11:34:12] <jthornton> yea it is some weirdness that just happened when I added a flag to the args
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[11:35:01] <jthornton> when I changed shell to false I get this error http://pastebin.com/0avpr423
[11:36:55] <jthornton> I think I'll try Popen with a sequence of args
[11:38:53] <jthornton> one thing for sure on Debian Sneezy is there is a bunch of different terminals some white background some black lol
[11:40:10] <XXCoder> mint xfce only comes with one
[11:40:14] <XXCoder> but really all I need
[11:40:24] <XXCoder> if I want specific one can always sudo apt-get install it
[11:40:35] <jthornton> yea sneezy is confused for sure
[11:41:01] <jthornton> I downloaded mint 13 to see if I could get LinuxCNC to run on it
[11:41:52] <XXCoder> I do recommand xfce
[11:41:58] <XXCoder> xfce version
[11:42:10] <jthornton> why
[11:42:39] <XXCoder> I just like how xfce works and its customizability
[11:43:26] <Jymmm> jthornton: Why Mint?
[11:44:17] <jthornton> sneezy sucks
[11:46:47] <jthornton> looks like an issue with my go program looking in the wrong place for the ini file lol
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[12:13:25] <Jymmm> jthornton: Define sucks? Esthetics? Functionality? feel? bug? quirks? compatability?
[12:14:52] <Jymmm> Time Changed btw
[12:18:15] <jthornton> pretty much that
[12:18:35] <Jymmm> ?!
[12:19:04] <Jymmm> If that's the case, then why even use it for linuxcnc?
[12:19:18] <jthornton> I didn't pick it
[12:19:49] <Jymmm> k
[12:20:40] <Jymmm> and what does mint give you instead?
[12:20:47] <anomynous> i3 is phun wm
[12:20:56] <Jymmm> (I thought mint was based off of unbuntu)
[12:21:11] <anomynous> https://i3wm.org/
[12:23:54] <jthornton> http://linuxmint.com/
[12:24:15] <Jymmm> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint
[12:24:39] <jthornton> http://www.linuxmint.com/download_all.php
[12:24:51] <Jymmm> jthornton: and I was asking what it gve/did for *YOU* personally that the other doesn't?
[12:24:58] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKfP7Ws-CN8
[12:25:00] <Jymmm> gave*
[12:26:42] <Jymmm> narrated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx0eNaGzAZU
[12:27:01] * jthornton looks back to see where I said I installed linuxmint but can't find it
[12:27:21] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[12:27:29] <XXCoder> linuxcnc distro come with it
[12:27:37] <XXCoder> login screen seem to be glitchy mess
[12:27:43] <XXCoder> looks like no wallpaper
[12:28:21] <Jymmm> anomynous: No gui apps ?
[12:28:41] <Jymmm> (just shells)
[12:28:45] <anomynous> Jymmm, sure can use... its just a screencast showing how to use i3
[12:29:19] <Jymmm> anomynous: Right, which is what I wanted to see as well, but I cant find a demo of it
[12:30:08] <anomynous> theres the youtube link i gave? it has vim-like keys
[12:30:33] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx0eNaGzAZU
[12:30:38] <anomynous> this one appears to be newer
[12:30:39] <Jymmm> anomynous: I've watched that, did i miss seeing a GUI app ?
[12:30:46] <anomynous> gimp ;D
[12:31:10] <Jymmm> Heh, that's the link I last posted =)
[12:31:34] <anomynous> it just basically manages how your windows are shown and organized on screen, and does virtual desktops for you
[12:31:36] <anomynous> ah ok
[12:31:52] <anomynous> it doesnt matter whether its a terminal or some other app
[12:32:12] <Jymmm> Well, I was thinking like browser window, then add vlc, and maybe even a calculator
[12:32:32] <Jymmm> and see how they (re)size/layout, etc
[12:32:45] <anomynous> sorry. I'm a windows user now ;)
[12:32:53] <Jymmm> really?
[12:33:16] <anomynous> yes. too much of a hassle to install. Also fusion 360 is for windows
[12:33:16] * Jymmm hides his head in the shame of anomynous
[12:33:34] <anomynous> no no. Ive still used more linux than windows. I can run apps with this, and thats fine
[12:33:35] <anomynous> ;D
[12:33:41] <Jymmm> wait, what?! "Too much of a hassle to install" ???
[12:33:46] <anomynous> yes
[12:33:53] <Jymmm> what is, windows?
[12:34:08] <anomynous> linux. I'd have to download and install and use an entire evening for it
[12:34:27] <anomynous> and another evening for configuring stuff
[12:34:29] <Jymmm> And windows is faster to instal?
[12:34:36] <anomynous> no. it comes pre-installed
[12:34:42] <jthornton> the big question is where to put the ini file
[12:34:52] <Jymmm> Ah, so you've never actually tried to install it =)
[12:35:14] <anomynous> never... ive installed windows many times, but thats like 10 years ago
[12:35:18] <anomynous> more
[12:35:35] <Jymmm> anomynous: Heh
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[12:37:51] <Jymmm> jthornton: I was asking for details as I am trying to find a non-ubuntu based alternative distro, but I wanted more feedback in what to look for/avoid.
[12:38:03] <anomynous> fedora? ;D
[12:38:14] <anomynous> centos?
[12:38:15] <anomynous> ;D
[12:38:16] <Jymmm> anomynous: more debian based is my preference
[12:38:23] <XXCoder> mint is definitely ubuntu based but bumps off some bad stuff off ubuntu
[12:38:30] <Jymmm> anomynous: CentOS I use for servers
[12:38:32] <XXCoder> or just get stright debian
[12:38:54] <Jymmm> XXCoder: too aged
[12:38:59] <Jymmm> maybe testing
[12:39:02] <anomynous> isnt fedora like newer centos then?
[12:39:37] <XXCoder> https://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros
[12:39:52] <Jymmm> nfc, dont use it, it's more desktopish
[12:41:08] <XXCoder> that page is out of date
[12:41:19] <XXCoder> it lists DSL as current but it havent updated for years now
[12:41:40] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://distrowatch.com/
[12:41:56] <anomynous> why do you want change a distro? does it matter?
[12:42:09] <Jymmm> me?
[12:42:12] <anomynous> yeah
[12:42:34] <Jymmm> Ubuntu is bloated and hellva lot of dependancies
[12:42:39] <XXCoder> last update for DSL is 2008
[12:42:40] <XXCoder> too bad
[12:43:01] <XXCoder> thats one of stuff mint gets rid of, expecially xfce version
[12:43:03] <Jymmm> anomynous: I like debian, but it's a bit lagged/aged sometimes
[12:43:14] <Jymmm> testing is okey
[12:43:41] <Jymmm> XXCoder: then why isnt it deban based instead of ubuntu based?
[12:43:44] <anomynous> well, why can't you use from testing those newer packages you need?
[12:43:49] <anomynous> with deps
[12:43:51] <XXCoder> Jymmm: good question actually.
[12:44:04] <XXCoder> maybe they wanted more current ubuntu compared to debian
[12:44:11] <Jymmm> maybe
[12:44:24] <jthornton> what is different between debian and ubuntu?
[12:44:33] <jthornton> not counting the desktops
[12:44:44] <Jymmm> ubuntu is based off of debian
[12:45:04] <jthornton> sounds like a big circle
[12:45:07] <Jymmm> ubuntu is a child of debian
[12:45:21] <XXCoder> ouch! http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/static/act-ST/f-4/t-20537.1.html
[12:45:24] <Jymmm> mint is a child of ubuntu
[12:45:30] <XXCoder> no wonder DSL just stopped :(
[12:45:41] <anomynous> i suppose ubuntu includes software that doesn't come with debian. I can't say better than that, really ;) Theres USA copyright laws that make things like mp3, dvd and stuff not work right. and debian doesnt want to include anything non-free
[12:46:26] <anomynous> so you'd need to add reporsitories to debian and install them yourself.
[12:48:21] <XXCoder> new forum http://damnsmalllinux.org/forums/index.php?topic=2.0
[12:48:21] <Jymmm> XXCoder: ? that's just a snippet of something much larger it appears
[12:48:28] <XXCoder> looks like they JUST got it back
[12:48:38] <XXCoder> and rebooting dsl project
[12:48:39] <Jymmm> what was the issue?
[12:48:47] <XXCoder> some agreement problem
[12:48:53] <XXCoder> that post has links to more info
[12:48:55] <Jymmm> of?
[12:48:57] <XXCoder> earlier one
[12:49:03] <XXCoder> dunno licensing it seems
[12:49:09] <XXCoder> robert was paid to work on dsl
[12:49:22] <XXCoder> but he went off and worked on his own distro while paid for working on dsl
[12:49:37] <XXCoder> thats gist i got
[12:49:43] <Jymmm> ah
[12:53:45] <XXCoder> new tiny core linux
[12:53:47] <XXCoder> 10 mb lol
[12:53:54] <XXCoder> perfect for quite old system
[12:58:04] <anomynous> i wonder how much slackware minimum installation is
[12:58:24] <XXCoder> cant be much smaller than 10 mb
[12:58:50] <anomynous> i think not too ;)
[13:00:38] <Jymmm> See, Installed ubuntu once on a box with no sound card in it. But it installed all the multimedia crap anyway (video players, volume controls, audio players, etc). Well, I didn't need the overhead of any of that so I went to uninstall just those apps. It compeltely blew up and destroyed XF (zero GUI remained) thus all the dependancies ubuntu pukes on itself.
[13:01:11] <XXCoder> I hate how modern ones is so interconnected now
[13:01:35] <Jymmm> When you say "it sucks" doens't tell me shit. Now you want to use Mint, which is something based upob Ubuntu, so now you culd be dealign with even "more sucks" as it could even be "more broken" than ubuntu is.
[13:01:52] <Jymmm> Also...
[13:02:26] <XXCoder> weird
[13:02:36] <XXCoder> last post by John (DSL admin) is 2013
[13:02:40] <Jymmm> Ubuntu LIVE does a fairly good job of detecting and configuring hardware, but ince you INSTALL ubuntu, it cant' find/configure many things (WTF?!)
[13:02:40] <XXCoder> jan 2013
[13:03:23] <Jymmm> Althoguh Knoppix actually does an EXCELLENT job of detecting any/all hardware I've thrown at it, and quick to boot too for what it is
[13:03:27] <XXCoder> took me a while to get danged vieo card work
[13:03:38] <XXCoder> 3d driver stuff
[13:03:52] <jthornton> it sucks because I keep running into problems trying to use it and stupid stuff like password screens don't go in focus etc etc etc
[13:03:55] <Jymmm> Hell, just network can be a clusterfuck
[13:03:58] <XXCoder> and even now not all there as firefox cant use 3d acceration
[13:04:08] <XXCoder> heh network has been great for me
[13:04:12] <anomynous> fedora or slackware <3 ;)
[13:04:32] <XXCoder> extremely easy and I configured my pc port to be switcher so I can use my vp on my desk (it cant use wireless anything)
[13:04:50] <XXCoder> windows it was hell to get that working
[13:04:53] <XXCoder> and slow after
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[13:06:08] <Jymmm> jthornton: so mostly UI stuff?
[13:06:45] <anomynous> slack is dead? two years no new version
[13:07:04] <Jymmm> anomynous: hows your slack love now biotch ;)
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[13:07:57] <jthornton> yea\
[13:07:57] <anomynous> Jymmm, its nice if you just want a simple system. separate /etc /home partitions and update is reinstall. Packages are just tarballs, no dependency support.
[13:08:29] <Jymmm> anomynous: There are ALWAYS some depenacies =)
[13:08:40] <anomynous> sure. You can use ldd to check for them ;D
[13:09:00] <Jymmm> anomynous: Well, than you can't say thare are no dependancies =)
[13:09:05] <anomynous> :)
[13:09:21] <Jymmm> anomynous: I'm the only old school bastard that likes/uses ZERO dependancies
[13:09:42] <Jymmm> fully self contained
[13:09:53] <XXCoder> small is beautful philophy
[13:10:05] <XXCoder> unix and *nix started with that
[13:10:07] <XXCoder> nowdays wel
[13:10:21] * Jymmm shoves XXCoder in a SMALL bag and toss off a short pier
[13:10:26] <anomynous> XXCoder, rather: no need to learn new stuff ;D it just works, works and works. I guess?
[13:10:43] * XXCoder dies
[13:10:50] <XXCoder> okay now thats done
[13:10:55] <XXCoder> what was your problem lolk
[13:11:15] <Jymmm> couldnt find a bag small enough to toss you into
[13:11:29] <XXCoder> lol
[13:13:36] <anomynous> ah. last update to slackware current was yesterday. Maybe a new version gets released any month now. ;D
[13:14:25] * XXCoder wonders if sudden stop of posts by John is because guy got hit by truck or something
[13:15:01] <XXCoder> it can happen, I recall one very large seller of lego parts suddenly didnt ship anything and silent
[13:15:28] <XXCoder> store was closed down, we evenually found out months ago that he was crossing when he got hit by semi and instantly killed
[13:15:51] <XXCoder> *months later
[13:16:39] <XXCoder> other seller had same thing, just suddenly no communcation and shipping. we found out he was stealing lego to sell em
[13:16:42] <XXCoder> thing is
[13:16:44] <XXCoder> hes very rich
[13:16:47] <XXCoder> okay. lol
[13:17:02] <XXCoder> he had $150k a year job or something like that
[13:17:40] <anomynous> why do you buy so much lego
[13:18:13] <XXCoder> heh much lego? more than average non-fan certainly but far less than many I know of
[13:19:30] <anomynous> lego are expensive
[13:19:35] <anomynous> for me anyway
[13:20:00] <anomynous> a small box costs a lot in store
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[14:34:21] <pcw_home> jthornton: I've run linuxcnc on mint (17.1?) seems fine
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[14:34:57] <pcw_home> also fine on ubuntu 14.04
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[14:42:42] <jthornton> did you just add the real time kernel?
[14:44:18] <pcw_home> I built preemt-rt kernels
[14:44:51] <Tecan> are they still required these days ?
[14:45:16] <Tecan> lots of people say not to even bother with them for music requirements
[14:48:47] <pcw_home> This is for linuxcnc, and yes a RT kernel is required
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[14:54:10] <pcw_home> Preempt-rt has similar performance to RTAI now at least on fast hardware
[14:54:11] <pcw_home> http://freeby.mesanet.com/h97-g3258-preemt-rt.png
[14:54:13] <pcw_home> http://freeby.mesanet.com/g3258-rtai.png
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[15:02:47] <JT-Shop> are there instructions for building the kernel?
[15:03:05] <JT-Shop> I found this but not sure it is correct http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RtaiSteps
[15:05:18] <pcw_home> I have never built RTAI kernels but have built preempt-rt kernels many times
[15:08:54] <anomynous> it might be easier to get distro's own installed kernel source. it probably includes config file, so you can patch and compile without reading each and every option
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[15:10:41] <pcw_home> I just use the default (patched) one, though it does build about a bazzilion modules
[15:12:16] <pcw_home> Theres supposed to be a way to make a config that only builds modules for your hardware but I could never get it to work
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[15:14:04] <pcw_home> JT-Shop: I suspect the RTAI kernel used on wheezy (3.4.9?) will work on Mint
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[15:27:28] <zeeshan> anyone here use tg100 collets?
[15:32:02] <PetefromTn_> I have used them before
[15:32:44] <zeeshan> im in buying mode
[15:32:47] <JT-Shop> pcw_home, thanks I'll give that a try
[15:33:02] <PetefromTn_> you seem to always be LOL
[15:33:05] <zeeshan> no man
[15:33:12] <zeeshan> i havent bought anything in like 2 months :P
[15:33:23] <PetefromTn_> you must have the shakes then
[15:33:38] <zeeshan> stupid ssi rubbed his buying nonsense on me
[15:33:50] <zeeshan> i can't justify spending 300 bux on a 12 piece wrench set
[15:33:52] <zeeshan> that seems retarded
[15:33:59] <zeeshan> the hardware store wrenches work just fine
[15:34:09] <PetefromTn_> yup generally they do
[15:34:24] <zeeshan> i only have brand new ratchets
[15:34:41] <zeeshan> but anyway, id like to own a set of tg100 collets
[15:34:50] <zeeshan> im thinking 32nd or 64ths
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[15:36:42] <PetefromTn_> do you have a bunch of TG holders?
[15:36:47] <zeeshan> yes
[15:36:53] <zeeshan> like 4 of them
[15:36:59] <PetefromTn_> than it would make sense I guess
[15:36:59] <zeeshan> i got it from that cat40 lot i got
[15:37:06] <zeeshan> they only got a 1" collet in them though
[15:37:10] <zeeshan> which has been mostly useless for me
[15:37:51] <PetefromTn_> if you only have four holders for them I might recommend just buying the collets you need instead of a set unless you plan on buying more holders or you just have money to burn LOL
[15:37:54] <zeeshan> do you think 64ths is really needed?
[15:38:39] <zeeshan> thats what ive done so far for em
[15:38:51] <zeeshan> all my er32 were loaded
[15:39:07] <zeeshan> and i needed to hold a 5/16 end mill also
[15:39:17] <zeeshan> so i bought one for 19 bux from the local supplier
[15:39:49] <zeeshan> but its kind of a hassle just picking up one collet :)
[15:40:29] <PetefromTn_> The TG are nice too but I like my ER32's have a bunch of them now
[15:40:54] <PetefromTn_> I also like ER20's
[15:41:01] <zeeshan> i think tg100 is supposed to offer more gripping power for tools larger than 1/2" shank
[15:41:09] <zeeshan> but i haven't seen a difference really..
[15:41:20] <zeeshan> i just have em, so i was wanting to use em
[15:41:30] <PetefromTn_> I hope to be able to utilize my ER20 collets in toolpost mounted holders on the CNC lathe
[15:41:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah the TG has a longer taper and is supposed to hold a little better
[15:41:47] <zeeshan> they make some like that?
[15:41:50] <zeeshan> pics!
[15:41:50] <PetefromTn_> I am sure that is probably true
[15:42:16] <PetefromTn_> no they don't really make them
[15:42:30] <PetefromTn_> but I plan to buy the Tormach ER20 holders and build my own
[15:42:36] <PetefromTn_> they are small and narrow
[15:42:56] <PetefromTn_> and should allow me to put a couple on a single block for a sort of gang tool setup
[15:43:06] <zeeshan> nice
[15:43:14] <zeeshan> how did standard do it originally?
[15:43:24] <PetefromTn_> do what?
[15:43:40] <zeeshan> hold multiple tools
[15:43:55] <PetefromTn_> you can buy straight shank ER20 holders on ebay for like ten for a hundred
[15:44:21] <PetefromTn_> I don't really know how they did it originally
[15:45:02] <PetefromTn_> the machine has a rather massive toolpost mounted with a large diameter stud sticking up that most likely held onto some sort of aloris type toolpost or four way or something like that
[15:45:11] <zeeshan> ah
[15:45:31] <zeeshan> dude
[15:45:36] <zeeshan> i finally found a japanese manual for the rx7
[15:45:38] <zeeshan> :D
[15:45:45] <PetefromTn_> Oh I forgot to ask them about that
[15:45:54] <zeeshan> so asap rx7 wiring is done
[15:45:57] <PetefromTn_> I am sure they probably have one
[15:45:59] <zeeshan> im excited to work on the lathe
[15:46:02] <zeeshan> yea they definitely do!
[15:46:19] <PetefromTn_> oh did you call them about it LOL?
[15:46:27] <zeeshan> no
[15:46:38] <zeeshan> cause i saw another standard lathe when i was looking for a cnc lathe
[15:46:47] <zeeshan> and it had a gang style tool post
[15:46:54] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah
[15:46:58] <PetefromTn_> should have taken a pic for me
[15:47:12] <zeeshan> i dont think it was the same as your machine though
[15:47:16] <zeeshan> but im thinking if they offered it on another machine
[15:47:21] <zeeshan> they likely offered it on yours
[15:47:45] <PetefromTn_> probably
[15:47:58] <PetefromTn_> they did make several sizes of this same basic lathe
[15:48:14] <zeeshan> do they still exist?
[15:48:26] <PetefromTn_> I dunno I think so
[15:48:36] <PetefromTn_> they have a website as I recall
[15:48:37] <zeeshan> http://www.standard-modern.com/
[15:48:38] <zeeshan> they do!
[15:48:42] <zeeshan> nice theyre 45 min from me
[15:49:06] <PetefromTn_> cool
[15:49:24] <PetefromTn_> I called them about the machine originally to try to determine the size of the axis motors
[15:49:28] <zeeshan> it says they offer spare parts?
[15:49:31] <PetefromTn_> they referred me to the supplier
[15:49:31] <zeeshan> might be a good resource
[15:49:51] <PetefromTn_> honestly I don't think I really need anything from them
[15:50:09] <PetefromTn_> but its nice to know they are there if I do
[15:50:13] <zeeshan> i like how they say "made in north america"
[15:50:19] <zeeshan> like it's bad to say made in canada
[15:50:20] <zeeshan> haha
[15:50:33] <PetefromTn_> well Canada IS North America
[15:50:39] <zeeshan> it's true
[15:50:43] <zeeshan> but why not just say made in canada? :)
[15:50:52] <zeeshan> its like saying made in usa vs made in north america :D
[15:50:55] <PetefromTn_> nobody really likes Canada ;)
[15:51:01] <zeeshan> we make good stuff :)
[15:51:07] <PetefromTn_> such as?
[15:51:14] <zeeshan> and its cheap for you american fux too
[15:51:21] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[15:51:22] <zeeshan> considering the currency has dropped hugely
[15:51:43] <PetefromTn_> I say that having just bought both a lathe and a set of servo motors and drives from Canada LOL
[15:52:29] <PetefromTn_> DMM made me a great deal on the servos and drives I am anxious to receive them and see what they are like
[15:52:42] <zeeshan> you got your x and z axis?
[15:52:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah man
[15:52:48] <zeeshan> how much kw
[15:53:09] <PetefromTn_> I got 750 watt AC servos, cables, and their new DYN4 high power drives
[15:53:21] <zeeshan> nice
[15:53:32] <zeeshan> will you have to make motor adapter plates?
[15:53:36] <PetefromTn_> also got their tuning cable and software
[15:53:40] <gonzo_> anyone answer a mesa interface card question?
[15:53:43] <PetefromTn_> shouldn't have to
[15:53:56] <PetefromTn_> but if I do that should be relatively easy
[15:54:07] <PetefromTn_> they are just plate steel mounts
[15:54:07] <zeeshan> nice im looking forward to seeing this beast
[15:54:10] <zeeshan> btw did you get the spindle motor yet?
[15:54:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah have had the 7.5HP motor here for awhile now
[15:54:28] <zeeshan> i remember a while back you found a 7.5hp
[15:54:28] <gonzo_> I am using the inputs on a 4i47S single ended. Anyone know if they will work that way by grounding the inverted input?
[15:54:34] <zeeshan> you mounted it?
[15:54:39] <PetefromTn_> no not yet
[15:54:50] <PetefromTn_> still waiting on the spindle drive have not bought one yet
[15:55:18] <zeeshan> i gotta vent a bit
[15:55:23] <zeeshan> manual machinists really annoy me
[15:55:26] <zeeshan> a lot lately
[15:55:40] <zeeshan> they think they're godsend relative to cnc machinists
[15:56:05] <zeeshan> have you come across that? :P
[15:56:32] <PetefromTn_> honestly I cannot imagine not being both.
[15:56:42] <zeeshan> exactly
[15:56:50] <zeeshan> if you're doing custom stuff, you're both!
[15:56:59] <zeeshan> the only thing you're not doing is counting stupid dials
[15:57:04] <zeeshan> and wasting your time on that nonsense
[15:57:20] <zeeshan> you also dont have to waste time setting up radiusing tools
[15:57:28] <zeeshan> or threading dials
[15:57:31] <zeeshan> its 1 command.
[15:57:41] <PetefromTn_> sure
[15:58:02] <zeeshan> "set compound to 29 degrees"
[15:58:08] <zeeshan> "change gear set on drive side"
[15:58:09] <PetefromTn_> but I think it is a good idea to understand how those all work before you get into CNC
[15:58:17] <zeeshan> "watch the dial"
[15:58:21] <zeeshan> "have your tool crash into a shoulder"
[15:58:22] <zeeshan> :D
[15:58:47] <PetefromTn_> I am truly looking forward to the possibilities this CNC lathe will bring me
[15:58:53] <zeeshan> dude its awesome :)D
[15:58:55] <PetefromTn_> quick accurate threading
[15:59:01] <zeeshan> threading was a joke!
[15:59:02] <PetefromTn_> unlimited thread styles
[15:59:11] <zeeshan> you can even do taper threads without a hassle.
[15:59:16] <PetefromTn_> complex contours without the need for complex radius turning setups
[15:59:19] <zeeshan> <3 linuxcnc
[15:59:36] <PetefromTn_> built in DRO and power feedrates
[15:59:38] <zeeshan> the one thing i struggled w/ cnc contouring
[15:59:48] <zeeshan> is if youre turning certain shapes
[16:00:01] <zeeshan> the back of the vcmt or ccmt tool will rub
[16:00:10] <zeeshan> so you need to do a tool change and load up a left hand tool
[16:00:28] <zeeshan> i bought an iscar turn groove tool, but never got to try it out
[16:01:25] <PetefromTn_> hang on a sec I am loading a pic
[16:01:57] * Tom_itx thinks zeeshan is high on caffine
[16:02:01] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/p9RWl48
[16:02:05] * Jymmm hands PetefromTn_ the hammer and nails
[16:02:24] <zeeshan> haha nice
[16:02:33] <zeeshan> now if you had live tooling and spindle orientqtion
[16:02:37] <zeeshan> you could machine that all on the lathe! :D
[16:02:39] <PetefromTn_> that is an early version of a scope focus wheel I used to make
[16:02:57] <PetefromTn_> honeslty I JUST want to be able to do the turning and complex contours
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[16:03:07] <PetefromTn_> honestly
[16:03:20] <PetefromTn_> probably do the turning FIRST
[16:03:29] <PetefromTn_> then put it in the CINCI and bore the holes and drill etc
[16:03:33] <zeeshan> yes
[16:03:34] <PetefromTn_> then deburr by hand
[16:03:45] <PetefromTn_> because when I used to make those manually
[16:03:50] <PetefromTn_> after I machined the holes
[16:04:06] <PetefromTn_> the thing would chatter in the lathe unless you were very gentle and careful
[16:04:12] <zeeshan> pretty thin
[16:04:23] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: go to sleep :P
[16:04:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah but that is what makes it look elegant
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[16:04:44] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i dont know how it is used, but my impression is it looks complex and cool
[16:04:51] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/8FraWdy.png
[16:04:53] <PetefromTn_> thats the idea
[16:04:56] <zeeshan> heres what im talkin about
[16:05:12] <zeeshan> you can machine the hemisphere and shoulder no problem
[16:05:24] <zeeshan> but the turning to the right side of the shoulder cant be access by a rh tool
[16:05:31] <zeeshan> so i had to load a lh tool for that
[16:05:33] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah of course
[16:05:35] <zeeshan> it'd be nice to be able to do it in one tool
[16:05:54] <PetefromTn_> I have seen people plunge with a straight shank tool
[16:05:57] <PetefromTn_> to rough out
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[16:06:17] <PetefromTn_> but getting a good surface finish in the shoulder would be difficult
[16:06:44] <PetefromTn_> I have very little CNC lathe experience but LOTS of manual lathe experience
[16:07:02] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXhEtc1zl4w
[16:07:06] <zeeshan> this is what eliminates the tool change
[16:07:08] <PetefromTn_> just making that radius manually is time consuming
[16:07:11] <zeeshan> but it has its own problem
[16:07:22] <zeeshan> yea, but when you gotta make 10 of em
[16:07:24] <zeeshan> manual sux! :P
[16:08:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is the type of tool I was talking about
[16:09:19] <PetefromTn_> I swear watching CNC lathes run is mesmerizing to me LOL
[16:10:05] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu5EPXfZp-I
[16:10:46] <zeeshan> i think thats the 2 problems with it
[16:10:49] <zeeshan> it works but you gotta slow down
[16:10:54] <zeeshan> and you gotta program it special
[16:11:04] <zeeshan> in mastercam they have a special routine for this type of tool
[16:11:11] <zeeshan> which does all the relief cuts and stuff for you
[16:11:53] <zeeshan> btw
[16:11:58] <CaptHindsight> try to do that with a cheap set of Shars tools :)
[16:11:59] <zeeshan> i learned something new recently
[16:12:06] <zeeshan> http://zlivecenter.com/116-949-thickbox/cnc-precision-long-spindle-live-center-zlc-s06006-mt2.jpg
[16:12:11] <zeeshan> get yourself a center like that if you dont have one!
[16:12:26] <zeeshan> that gives you soooooooo much clearance when youre working w/ the tailstock supported end of the work piece
[16:12:50] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJPtq2vtXVY
[16:13:12] <PetefromTn_> I HAD one like that but like a jackhole I sold it with the 12x36
[16:13:19] <zeeshan> :]
[16:14:07] <zeeshan> that mdt tool is bad ass!
[16:14:15] <zeeshan> nice finish with it tooo
[16:14:32] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah
[16:14:42] <PetefromTn_> I can't WAIT to try stuff like that
[16:15:01] <PetefromTn_> seems like a tool like that would make those wheels a piece of crumb cake
[16:16:34] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2brqMB32HQ
[16:16:37] <zeeshan> i love seeing stuff like this
[16:16:43] <zeeshan> i dont need a goddamn od grinder
[16:16:45] <zeeshan> if i can do this!
[16:18:07] <PetefromTn_> nice
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[16:18:49] <zeeshan> only a 300$ insert
[16:18:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah only heh
[16:20:57] <CaptHindsight> but it just works, the other options will trade your time for money
[16:21:12] <zeeshan> they also require another machine
[16:21:12] <zeeshan> :P
[16:21:25] <zeeshan> when i was working for that plastic injection mold place
[16:21:28] <zeeshan> they did hard turning alll the time
[16:21:33] <zeeshan> but i didnt know a lot about machining back then
[16:21:38] <zeeshan> so i never cared to ask about their setup
[16:21:51] <zeeshan> i remember it was a couple mori seiki lathes they were running
[16:21:59] <zeeshan> and the machines were dedicated only for hard turning
[16:28:37] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/rW2na0UgcjA?t=4m25s Hardinge guts
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[16:29:39] <zeeshan> looks like my nakamura! :D
[16:30:37] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: whats the weight of your lathe?
[16:30:45] <zeeshan> a lot
[16:31:17] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: after getting it home how do the linear bearings and screws look?
[16:31:46] <zeeshan> i havent moved the axis around
[16:31:50] <zeeshan> but they visually look good
[16:32:01] <t12> today is moglice release date
[16:32:12] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: the spec sheets say 10500 lb
[16:32:19] <t12> i get tonsee hiwnbadni did or didnt fuck this up
[16:32:21] <zeeshan> but the truck went on the weigh station before and after
[16:32:25] <PetefromTn_> that Hardinge is NIIICCEEEE
[16:32:27] <zeeshan> and we got 13500
[16:32:58] <zeeshan> how is that hardinge sitting on wood floor
[16:33:07] <zeeshan> and more importantly, how the hell did they get it on the wood floor!
[16:33:37] <t12> wood can support a lot
[16:33:48] <zeeshan> not that laminate floor!
[16:33:49] <zeeshan> :P
[16:34:24] <t12> looks like t&g to me
[16:35:00] <t12> i was reading that an old shop floor method was 4x4 blocks grain vertical
[16:35:06] <t12> or larger
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[16:36:14] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glsEopVt3O8
[16:36:15] <zeeshan> :D
[16:36:29] <zeeshan> thats my baby
[16:36:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-Stock-Milltronics-Headstock-For-A-ML35-CNC-Lathe-With-A-6-Bore-/191097530019 nice start for big custom lathe
[16:36:37] <zeeshan> hgopefully i get it running like that
[16:38:23] <CaptHindsight> just don't sandblast the bearings or screws while rebuilding :)
[16:39:21] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan Looks beast man....good luck with it
[16:39:43] <zeeshan> thanks man
[16:39:49] <zeeshan> its way more complex than the mikron
[16:40:03] <zeeshan> i really will need to sit down and figure out how everything worked factory
[16:40:09] <zeeshan> lots of hydraulics
[16:40:10] <CaptHindsight> that ebay headstock is for this lathe https://www.machinetools.com/en/for-sale/319912-milltronics-ml35-cnc-lathes
[16:40:20] <PetefromTn_> I hate hydraulics man
[16:40:23] <zeeshan> holy shit
[16:40:26] <zeeshan> look at the size of that tail stock
[16:40:26] <zeeshan> haha
[16:40:29] <zeeshan> er live center
[16:40:45] <zeeshan> i like how all the tools have an eye bolt on em
[16:41:04] <zeeshan> yea dude
[16:41:20] <zeeshan> w/ mikron it was just 2 hydraulic lines going to each spindle
[16:41:32] <zeeshan> with this theres like 25 hydraulic hoses
[16:41:40] <zeeshan> some are going to the mechanical brakes, some to tail stock
[16:41:43] <zeeshan> some to atc
[16:41:50] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[16:42:19] <PetefromTn_> I need to find a turning center that is decently sized but had NO hydro stuff LOL
[16:42:34] <zeeshan> i think all these slant beds
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[16:42:42] <zeeshan> that have a hydraulic tail stock
[16:42:49] <zeeshan> will have some sort of hoses going there
[16:43:00] <PetefromTn_> I'm sure
[16:43:04] <zeeshan> the one atc i fixed at work had hyd hose for a drawbar like mechanism
[16:43:10] <PetefromTn_> there has got to be something in the middle tho
[16:43:14] <zeeshan> cause there is a massive belleville stack you gotta overcome
[16:43:17] <zeeshan> to unlock the atc
[16:44:00] <zeeshan> one thing i really like about slant bed now that im looking at all the details
[16:44:19] <zeeshan> is how the tailstock is on a separate guideway relative to your tool holder
[16:44:37] <PetefromTn_> there are LOTS of nice features of a big CNC slant bed
[16:44:42] <zeeshan> so you dont have a carriage to deal with
[16:44:43] <zeeshan> getting in the way
[16:45:00] <PetefromTn_> but at this point at least what I have here will do perfect for my needs
[16:46:15] <PetefromTn_> I would like to adapt either an auto 4 way toolpost or a small toolchanger to the cross slide for small production parts
[16:47:09] <zeeshan> how will you take care of automating the loading of the stock
[16:47:17] <zeeshan> does it have a drawbar closer
[16:47:18] <PetefromTn_> pullers
[16:47:34] <PetefromTn_> going to buy or build a pneumatic closer
[16:48:01] <zeeshan> this one guy i know wanted 400 battery tubes
[16:48:15] <zeeshan> theyre like 1" od , some fine pitch thread
[16:48:24] <zeeshan> out of aluminum
[16:48:35] <zeeshan> was willing to pay 8bux a piece
[16:48:38] <zeeshan> (w/ material)
[16:48:51] <PetefromTn_> closed end tubes or just thru tubes
[16:48:59] <zeeshan> just thru tubes
[16:49:00] <zeeshan> he had the caps
[16:49:12] <PetefromTn_> your machine would make short work of that job
[16:49:14] <zeeshan> so i was thinking how i would do it in a painless way
[16:49:26] <zeeshan> id buy 20 ft long tube
[16:49:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Okuma-LB9-SPINDLE-CNC-Lathe-140mm-Retrofit-Automation-Mach3-Emc-Plc-Robotics-/361253285397 $950 for a used headstock
[16:50:04] <zeeshan> pull, bore, thread both ends, turn outside, part off
[16:50:06] <zeeshan> and repeat
[16:50:14] <zeeshan> i think cycle time would be like 2min 30 s
[16:50:25] <zeeshan> but on a manual cnc lathe, i could never do it that quick
[16:50:29] <zeeshan> (had to reject job)
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[16:50:53] <PetefromTn_> there are LOTS of jobs like that out there
[16:51:17] <zeeshan> yes
[16:51:20] <PetefromTn_> the shop I was going to work in recently just has a TL1 with pneumo collet closer and he is busy as shit
[16:51:20] <zeeshan> i'd be nice to get into those jobs
[16:51:24] <zeeshan> cause you set it up once, and walk away
[16:51:33] <zeeshan> and just need to load up 20 foot lengths of raw stock
[16:52:06] <PetefromTn_> I could not run 20' lengths here
[16:52:11] <PetefromTn_> would cut in half
[16:52:25] <PetefromTn_> or less
[16:52:36] <zeeshan> still!
[16:52:37] <PetefromTn_> there is MUCH to be done tho before I get there
[16:52:41] <zeeshan> better than loading each one manually :D
[16:53:00] <PetefromTn_> I have not even really started the retrofit electronically speaking
[16:53:18] <PetefromTn_> and even once it is running I have to do some things to get the auto changer in there
[16:53:21] <zeeshan> it's nice to think about what the end goal is
[16:53:27] <zeeshan> cause for me it motivates me
[16:53:29] <PetefromTn_> then the pneumo closer
[16:53:42] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell yeah I cannot wait to be able to make parts like that
[16:53:58] <PetefromTn_> its just great money once you are there
[16:54:04] <zeeshan> yes
[16:54:07] <Tom_itx> get off your butts and get em running !!
[16:54:10] <zeeshan> can undercut the real machine shops :-)
[16:54:19] <zeeshan> cause we dont got the overhead
[16:54:20] <PetefromTn_> just think if you had your machine working
[16:54:27] <PetefromTn_> that ONE JOB
[16:54:35] <PetefromTn_> would have paid for your machine almost
[16:54:47] <zeeshan> yea
[16:54:50] <zeeshan> i try to explain this concept to my fiance
[16:54:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matsuura-CNC-Milling-Machine-/321906569444 $3k or best but in CA
[16:54:59] <zeeshan> she wastes money on clothes
[16:55:05] <PetefromTn_> when I first stared this
[16:55:11] <PetefromTn_> my wife really did not understand that
[16:55:15] <zeeshan> i tell her, clothes are nice to have, but i really would rather spend my money on a tool, because it keeps on paying.
[16:55:23] <PetefromTn_> but now since the machine has been consisntently making money here
[16:55:42] <zeeshan> yep
[16:55:52] <zeeshan> and we're not even using our machines on full out production
[16:55:52] <PetefromTn_> she is starting to understand that it is not JUST a funky hobby her hubby plays with out in the garage anymore LOL
[16:56:00] <zeeshan> which they're designed for
[16:56:08] <zeeshan> so they'll outlast us :p
[16:56:17] <PetefromTn_> hopefully anyway
[16:56:19] <PetefromTn_> heh
[16:56:31] <Tom_itx> they should
[16:56:34] <PetefromTn_> even this little flatbed CNC lathe is capable of making some cool stuff
[16:56:41] <Tom_itx> they're designed to run 24/7
[16:56:48] <Tom_itx> you're not
[16:56:54] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: as long as it's not a stepper based piece of shit
[16:56:58] <zeeshan> i think you'll be happy :-)
[16:57:04] <PetefromTn_> no steppers here man
[16:57:08] <PetefromTn_> AC servo!!
[16:57:11] <zeeshan> god that was the final straw for getting rid of mine
[16:57:25] <PetefromTn_> I don't understand what was so bad about your lathe tho
[16:57:28] <zeeshan> good experience, but will never do it again
[16:57:40] <zeeshan> i could go on forever about what's bad about it
[16:57:49] <zeeshan> 1. not enough rigidity
[16:57:53] <PetefromTn_> I mean its no slant bed
[16:57:56] <zeeshan> 2. stepper based pos,
[16:58:02] <zeeshan> 3. no hydraulic tail stock or chuck
[16:58:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/matsuura-ra2f-/151870846045 no bids
[16:58:06] <PetefromTn_> what was so wrong with the steppers
[16:58:08] <zeeshan> 4. manual tool changes suck
[16:58:12] <zeeshan> they're slow dude
[16:58:16] <zeeshan> so slow
[16:58:26] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/shop/Siding04.jpg
[16:58:30] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/shop/Siding05.jpg
[16:58:38] <zeeshan> and i felt like i was randomly losing steps here and there under heavy cuts
[16:58:45] <PetefromTn_> I think you have been spoiled with big commercial machines so you have no patience for smaller machines anymore
[16:59:00] <zeeshan> haha
[16:59:10] * Tom_itx wonders what JT-Shop was doing up at 4am today
[16:59:15] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop Looks good man
[16:59:24] <zeeshan> jt even has a satellite dish in his garage
[16:59:25] <zeeshan> jeez
[16:59:29] <zeeshan> im jealous :)
[16:59:38] <PetefromTn_> so you were losing steps
[16:59:44] <zeeshan> i think i was
[16:59:48] <zeeshan> its so hard to replicate the problem
[16:59:57] <zeeshan> cause some days i'd hold 1 thou no problem
[17:00:02] <zeeshan> and some days it was out by 6 thou
[17:00:07] <PetefromTn_> sheet
[17:00:30] <zeeshan> can it make good parts? yes
[17:00:39] <zeeshan> can it make good parts as good as a real cnc lathe? no
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[17:00:56] <zeeshan> its like a tormach cnc mill vs a real vmc
[17:01:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[17:01:14] <zeeshan> if you got the patience, you can make anything work
[17:01:20] <zeeshan> infact you don't even need a cnc anything
[17:01:22] <PetefromTn_> but there are lots of people making parts/money with tormach machines I suppose
[17:01:22] <zeeshan> run a manual machine :P
[17:01:28] <Tom_itx> zlog
[17:01:28] <zlog> Tom_itx: Log stored at http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2015-11-01.html
[17:01:42] <zeeshan> they are, and they can hold couple thou no problem
[17:01:59] <zeeshan> but when your time is worth more, you quickly move away from the smaller machines
[17:02:07] <PetefromTn_> watching that Hardinge lathe video really puts it in perspective
[17:02:23] <PetefromTn_> REAL accuracy
[17:02:28] <Tom_itx> which one?
[17:02:30] <PetefromTn_> into the microns
[17:02:34] <PetefromTn_> hard turning
[17:02:40] <PetefromTn_> insanity LOL
[17:02:53] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx which what?
[17:02:58] <Tom_itx> video
[17:03:19] <JT-Shop> thanks PetefromTn_
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[17:03:26] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/rW2na0UgcjA?t=4m25s this video
[17:03:26] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW2na0UgcjA&feature=youtu.be&t=4m25s
[17:03:27] <JT-Shop> didn't know it was 4am Tom_itx
[17:03:35] <zeeshan> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/60116542369_1/New_28mm_neck_preform_mold_used_PET.jpg
[17:03:36] <Tom_itx> me either :D
[17:03:40] <zeeshan> this is the stuff i used to design
[17:03:46] <zeeshan> all those components were hard turn
[17:03:46] <JT-Shop> zeeshan, that's my internet not tv
[17:04:02] <zeeshan> i think one was grinded
[17:04:04] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: oh
[17:04:55] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW2na0UgcjA&feature=youtu.be&t=4m25s machine tool accuracy chart
[17:05:15] <CaptHindsight> woops sorry https://youtu.be/rW2na0UgcjA?t=1m54s
[17:05:58] <zeeshan> i dont mean to knock hardinge
[17:06:04] <zeeshan> but a lot of machines can hold those tolerances
[17:06:06] <zeeshan> cnc lathes
[17:06:29] <zeeshan> most modern machines are expected to hold those
[17:06:50] <PetefromTn_> less than .5 micron?
[17:06:58] <zeeshan> no
[17:07:04] <CaptHindsight> thats what modern machines can hold except for budget knockoffs
[17:07:18] <zeeshan> 5 micron is a very common cnc lathe/mill tolerance now days
[17:07:31] <Tom_itx> you'd need temp comp for that wouldn't you?
[17:07:32] <zeeshan> it was the case back in 2008! :P
[17:07:38] <zeeshan> yes
[17:07:42] <zeeshan> and even vibration compensation
[17:07:49] <zeeshan> most of these machines compensated for both
[17:08:10] <zeeshan> the ones that were holding really tight tolerances that had this system by a company called marposs
[17:08:30] <zeeshan> http://www.marposs.com/backend/applications/img_upload/img_big/090304115260_application_044.jpg
[17:08:31] <zeeshan> that thing
[17:08:41] <CaptHindsight> can your machine do this? https://youtu.be/SPl2cgm0Q-Y?t=2m40s
[17:08:45] <zeeshan> it'd give real time measurements that fed back into the controller
[17:09:03] <CaptHindsight> without the use of crazy glue
[17:09:29] <zeeshan> http://www.marposs.com/application.php/eng/post_process_od_grinder
[17:09:35] <zeeshan> a bit more about that gauge
[17:09:53] <PetefromTn_> WOW thats amazing
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[17:12:27] <zeeshan> haha thats crazy
[17:12:36] <PetefromTn_> I know right..
[17:12:43] <PetefromTn_> .02 micrometers???
[17:13:37] <PetefromTn_> I have seen youtube videos showing people hand making glass lenses for telescopes
[17:14:00] <PetefromTn_> that is one HUGE lens tho LOL
[17:15:40] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: did you see my new enclosure
[17:15:41] <zeeshan> for the mill?
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[17:16:56] <PetefromTn_> nope
[17:17:04] <zeeshan> are you ready to see it
[17:17:06] <zeeshan> its BAD ASS
[17:17:13] <zeeshan> you will be blown out of your mind
[17:17:15] <PetefromTn_> Oh I'm ready LOL
[17:17:17] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/am5WUn6.jpg
[17:17:28] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[17:17:30] <zeeshan> :D
[17:17:39] <PetefromTn_> gotta keep the swarf off the damn car I see LOL
[17:17:46] <zeeshan> haha yea
[17:17:51] <zeeshan> i hope it doesnt set on fire
[17:18:05] <PetefromTn_> thats a distinct possibility
[17:18:15] <zeeshan> its literally one drywall screw into the ceiling
[17:18:21] <zeeshan> and some neo magnets on the enclosure
[17:18:21] <zeeshan> haha
[17:18:27] <PetefromTn_> ghetto enclosure
[17:18:42] <PetefromTn_> hey whatever works right
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[17:18:55] <zeeshan> as long as the customers don't see
[17:18:56] <zeeshan> its okay
[17:18:56] <zeeshan> :D
[17:19:05] <PetefromTn_> speaking of customers
[17:19:10] <PetefromTn_> the other day in the shop
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[17:19:18] <PetefromTn_> they had this kid come in with a 350z
[17:19:22] <PetefromTn_> non turbo
[17:19:35] <PetefromTn_> and he wanted us to make a stainless cat back system for his car with a single outlet
[17:19:48] <PetefromTn_> basically a big straight pipe with flanges and angles
[17:20:05] <PetefromTn_> that guy stood there and watched EVERYTHING I DID making it
[17:20:12] <PetefromTn_> asking lots of questions
[17:20:20] <zeeshan> shoulda gave him the tig shock
[17:20:30] <PetefromTn_> made me nervous as hell LOL
[17:20:39] <PetefromTn_> I don't know why really
[17:20:49] <zeeshan> just remember
[17:20:52] <PetefromTn_> but I finally asked him to go sit in the waiting room
[17:20:55] <zeeshan> he has no clue what youre doing
[17:21:00] <PetefromTn_> because it is gonna be awhile
[17:21:09] <zeeshan> :D
[17:21:17] <PetefromTn_> I dunno maybe he does ;)
[17:21:27] <CaptHindsight> plus you need to concentrate on what you are doing
[17:21:30] <PetefromTn_> that guy toxicfab is just a kid after all
[17:21:34] <Tom_itx> zeeshan just don't set your enclosure on fire
[17:21:42] <zeeshan> 100% cotton
[17:21:44] <zeeshan> fire is likely
[17:21:52] <PetefromTn_> he could be the greatest tig welder in the world for all I know
[17:21:59] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: nahh man
[17:22:01] <Tom_itx> oil soaked 100% cotton
[17:22:03] <zeeshan> if he's bringing it into you
[17:22:05] <zeeshan> he isnt :)
[17:22:10] <renesis> IN THE WORLD
[17:22:13] <PetefromTn_> maybe he is too busy for his own shite
[17:22:14] <zeeshan> i dont mean that in an offensive way at all
[17:22:14] <renesis> i said that like clarkson
[17:22:28] <zeeshan> just be confident in what youre doing
[17:22:30] <zeeshan> you do good work
[17:22:33] <PetefromTn_> I love that guy
[17:22:45] <PetefromTn_> I am STARTING to do good work LOL
[17:22:50] <PetefromTn_> still have a lot to learn
[17:25:02] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan did you see my Halloween mask?
[17:25:05] <zeeshan> no
[17:25:10] <PetefromTn_> want to?
[17:25:28] <zeeshan> yes
[17:26:08] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/0lvWCVg.jpg :D
[17:26:18] <zeeshan> hahaha
[17:26:34] <PetefromTn_> scared the little kiddies hehehe
[17:26:37] <zeeshan> freaky clowns
[17:27:24] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/uUiTv Fridays work
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[17:28:00] <CaptHindsight> reminds me of http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlsrc8_killer-klowns-from-outer-space_shortfilms
[17:28:02] <zeeshan> dat engraving
[17:28:02] <zeeshan> so nice
[17:28:24] <PetefromTn_> it did turn out decent huh
[17:28:28] <PetefromTn_> I like their logo
[17:28:39] <PetefromTn_> they actually have two or three logos
[17:29:07] <zeeshan> wtf
[17:29:13] <zeeshan> this just lcicked in my head
[17:29:15] <zeeshan> you work at APU
[17:29:17] <zeeshan> lol!!!!1
[17:29:27] <PetefromTn_> ?
[17:29:51] <zeeshan> they had one of the fastest twin turbo supras
[17:30:04] <zeeshan> thats how i know of that name
[17:30:11] <PetefromTn_> heh probably they build some killer cars there
[17:30:20] <PetefromTn_> but that was probably before my time there
[17:30:45] <PetefromTn_> they are building three different supras right now
[17:30:53] <PetefromTn_> one will be a badass monster
[17:30:57] <PetefromTn_> hopefully LOL
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[17:31:49] <PetefromTn_> they are most known for the rotary cars I think
[17:32:09] <PetefromTn_> maybe some other shop is called APU possibly?
[17:32:17] <zeeshan> maybe
[17:32:19] <zeeshan> im trying to find the car
[17:32:45] <PetefromTn_> they had a sweet EVO 10 there yesterday
[17:33:16] <zeeshan> yea i think im confusing them w/ someone else
[17:33:18] <zeeshan> damn it
[17:35:54] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq2wObRw-XM probably won't fit in a Supra
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[17:39:20] <PetefromTn_> jeez thats a beast
[17:39:32] <PetefromTn_> some great work on that motor too
[17:39:41] <PetefromTn_> probably a hundred grand in it or more LOL
[17:40:01] <CaptHindsight> they did another @4000hp and street legal
[17:40:47] <PetefromTn_> how in the hell can you use 4k in a streetcar?
[17:41:00] <PetefromTn_> I mean 1k is a bit much LOL
[17:41:12] <zeeshan> easy
[17:41:17] <zeeshan> you can use it to go into a wall
[17:41:17] <CaptHindsight> turn down the boost
[17:42:15] <PetefromTn_> I'm sorry but in no way is that a street legal car
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[17:42:24] <PetefromTn_> its a freaking tube chassis
[17:42:33] <PetefromTn_> narrowed rear end
[17:42:47] <PetefromTn_> I don't care if it has lights and signals LOL
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[17:43:40] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah and the twin parachute launchers are kind of a dead giveaway
[17:43:53] <zeeshan> hahaha
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[17:44:01] <zeeshan> dude i watched a drag race on the street once
[17:44:03] <CaptHindsight> just for show :)
[17:44:09] <zeeshan> the guy actually used his parachute
[17:44:09] <zeeshan> rofl
[17:44:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[17:44:31] <PetefromTn_> there are some INSANE street cars out there tho
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[17:45:05] <CaptHindsight> one problem is getting enough tire on the ground
[17:45:13] <PetefromTn_> I think freakin' SSI has turned me into a 300ZX junkie ;)
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[17:45:46] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight that's everyones problem
[17:45:50] <zeeshan> i found an old video of my rx7
[17:45:54] <zeeshan> with no turbo and before paint
[17:45:57] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gB8wl72JBc
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[17:46:27] <zeeshan> v8!
[17:46:53] <PetefromTn_> that looks nice man
[17:47:18] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dl6q3ORPMo
[17:47:21] <zeeshan> this one you can hear the turbos :D
[17:47:23] <zeeshan> spooling
[17:47:31] <CaptHindsight> maybe start with a Veyron and drop a real engine in
[17:47:42] <PetefromTn_> but I like this better.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVzCUjNMLww
[17:48:32] <CaptHindsight> whats a used GT-R go for?
[17:48:39] <PetefromTn_> LOTS
[17:49:21] <CaptHindsight> out of all the top end supercars the GT-R is the lowest cost
[17:49:39] <CaptHindsight> but I guess it depends on where you draw the line on supercars
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[17:50:17] <PetefromTn_> honestly it really IS a supercar....
[17:50:27] <PetefromTn_> it smokes most of the other Supercars
[17:50:35] <PetefromTn_> and with a 6 cyl turbo
[17:50:39] <PetefromTn_> AWD
[17:50:44] <CaptHindsight> and only $42K more for the body kit
[17:50:45] <PetefromTn_> acceleration is insane
[17:51:03] <PetefromTn_> there are built ones making stupid HP that are incredible
[17:51:18] <CaptHindsight> https://www.vividracing.com/catalog/-p-150762341.html
[17:51:21] <zeeshan> gtrs are cheating
[17:51:33] <zeeshan> an unskilled driver can run 11s on the drag strip consistently
[17:51:33] <zeeshan> lol
[17:51:36] <zeeshan> just step on the gas and go!
[17:51:43] <zeeshan> (stock)
[17:51:59] <PetefromTn_> Nissan needs to take that GTR tech and put it in a car that looks like the 300ZX
[17:52:05] <PetefromTn_> only more exotic and up to date
[17:52:12] <PetefromTn_> then it would be a world beater
[17:52:17] <zeeshan> wat
[17:52:19] <zeeshan> the gtr is sexy!
[17:52:28] <PetefromTn_> I can't stand the way it LOOKS
[17:52:47] <PetefromTn_> but I love the way it GOES!!
[17:54:43] <CaptHindsight> already November, where did the year go?
[17:54:52] <PetefromTn_> I know right.. Crazy
[17:56:06] <CaptHindsight> but 70's up here this week
[17:56:36] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: when do you start to see snow? January?
[17:57:16] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/kJTPCbU hehehe
[17:57:36] <PetefromTn_> actually sometimes we have snow in December or earlier
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[17:57:45] <PetefromTn_> we have had white christmas' here before
[17:57:46] <CaptHindsight> and still gets there late
[17:57:52] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[17:58:37] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCyZIO9_j6c PetefromTn LIkes
[17:59:21] <PetefromTn_> except the hood...don't care for the hood
[17:59:53] <CaptHindsight> '84 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_300ZX#/media/File:50thAE300ZX.JPG
[18:00:44] <PetefromTn_> you like the 84 ?
[18:01:33] <CaptHindsight> I never liked any of them, but the 84 I do for it's peak of ugly factor
[18:01:51] <PetefromTn_> hahahaha
[18:04:06] <PetefromTn_> http://www.regamasterusa.com/Images/PurpleSlicktop-19.jpg
[18:04:58] <PetefromTn_> http://regamasterusa.com/Images/300zxPurpleSlicktop2.jpg
[18:10:43] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/jifbmEh :D
[18:12:15] <PetefromTn_> I think that last one is my new screensaver!
[18:12:30] <zeeshan> haha
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[18:55:51] <anomynous> why does dna copy mechanism have a parity checking, if evolution is supposedly advantageous instead of deteriorating dna?
[18:56:29] <SpeedEvil> It doesn't have parity.
[18:56:38] <anomynous> lets call it that. it sounds cool.
[18:56:45] <SpeedEvil> There are many correction and detection mechanisms, not parity
[18:56:58] <anomynous> yes yes. why are they there
[18:57:24] <SpeedEvil> Because there is an optimal error rate for the DNA to survive long-term as part of a replicating entity
[18:58:24] <anomynous> what would happen if there was no error checking?
[18:59:24] <SpeedEvil> Because fitness can only correct a low number of errors at once
[18:59:26] <roycroft> if there were no error checking then error checking would evolve
[18:59:44] <anomynous> how long did it take to evolve?
[18:59:56] <roycroft> ONE MILLION somethings
[19:00:00] <anomynous> really?
[19:00:22] <roycroft> are you officially trolling or are you a republican?
[19:00:24] <anomynous> how is new dna added to our dna?
[19:00:27] <anomynous> neither
[19:00:50] <roycroft> that was an either or question
[19:03:00] <roycroft> if it really is neither of the above then you have never studied evolution/natural selection at all
[19:03:16] <roycroft> in which case i suggest you read a good book on it and then come back and ask questions
[19:03:24] <anomynous> dna is just long enough to reach moon from earth, and theres twice as many people on earth than there supposedly has been years from day 0. Evolution is the only thing where random errors would produce order. Natural selection is not strong enough mechanism, and also mutations don't explain how new dna is being added to species.
[19:03:41] <anomynous> explain... or have anything that is being observed
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[19:04:20] * roycroft votes for a third option - a poorly written ai engine developed by republicans
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[19:04:31] <anomynous> i was actually once laughed by that and someone suggested genome duplication as a mechanism. Duh.
[19:07:38] <PCW> a lot of new DNA is added by viruses
[19:08:43] <anomynous> that too, but i dont know about it
[19:08:59] <anomynous> anyway... random strand of randomness from earth to moon in tiny bits. No unused "waste of evolution" dna either. Generated randomly in only 4 billion years. How long is that dna chain? How strong does this natural selection be?
[19:09:19] <anomynous> and how well does that randomness work to first even produce first cell
[19:09:30] <anomynous> let alone error detecting copy mechanism
[19:10:58] <PCW> 5% to 8% of humam DNA is from retroviruses
[19:11:26] <anomynous> yes yes ;D
[19:13:45] <PCW> there's also the possibility that most of our DNA is "junk DNA" just non functional leftovers
[19:14:13] <anomynous> i think i already said about that, but that isnt true
[19:14:31] <anomynous> its controlling genes and doing others stuffs maybe? ;D
[19:14:35] <PCW> So you say
[19:14:40] <anomynous> not me, really
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[19:15:42] <PCW> in any case very wasteful and imprecise, pretty much what you would expect from an evolved system
[19:17:50] <zeeshan> sounds like a tormach
[19:17:54] <ssi> lol
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[19:31:50] <anomynous> in 2012 "ENCODE Consortium reported that its members were able to assign biochemical functions to over 80% of the genome." From encode wikipedia page. I just remembered that thing, so i said its not random unused stuff. :[ And likely they've not found what the rest does ;)
[19:36:10] <SpeedEvil> This is very, very off-topic.
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[19:39:40] <anomynous> No one else seems to be conversing on-topic now. Does the topic bother you?
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[20:07:31] <PetefromTn_> personally I DESPISE any off topic discussion around here.... ;)
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[20:13:17] <zeeshan> http://auction.rakuten.co.jp/item/11590394/a/10000005/
[20:13:18] <zeeshan> yay
[20:13:21] <zeeshan> won my japanese auction
[20:18:15] * zeeshan learns japanese
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[20:27:59] <ssi> hurry
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[20:35:28] <fenn> yes let's stop talking about turbo exhausts please
[20:36:18] <fenn> jk i don't care
[20:36:40] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan LOL FD3 FTW!!
[20:36:49] <PetefromTn_> Sorry fenn
[20:37:20] <PetefromTn_> only really talk about it here because of the Tig welding help I got from Zeeshan and others here
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[20:41:16] <MrSunshine> ough a full day of cad work realy wrecks hawoc on the brain
[20:42:15] <XXCoder> dvd of rare porn from chinese? heh
[20:44:31] * ssi is still trying to plow through this sserial stuff :/
[20:47:40] * renesis hands mrsunshine the bong
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[20:47:59] <MrSunshine> thanks =)
[20:48:07] <MrSunshine> as long as its not the dong im happy
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[20:48:22] * ssi hands MrSunshine the dong
[20:48:33] <MrSunshine> ough
[20:48:40] * MrSunshine backs away slowly
[20:48:48] <ssi> http://s69.photobucket.com/user/richbob/media/donger.jpg.html?t=1206464599
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[20:49:20] <renesis> AUTOMOBIIIRUUUU
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[20:54:38] * zeeshan-mill slaps with a back purged tig welded ss304 exhaust
[20:54:49] <zeeshan-mill> i slap w/ style
[20:54:50] * ssi accidentally the whole zeeshan
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[20:55:06] <zeeshan-mill> wat
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[20:55:18] <ssi> uherd
[20:55:25] <renesis> i seent it
[20:55:27] <PetefromTn_> LOL Long duck Dong!!!
[20:55:36] <zeeshan-mill> rofl
[20:55:46] <renesis> omg vettel in the wall
[20:55:55] <PetefromTn_> bad?
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[20:56:08] <renesis> if youre a ferrari or vettel fan
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[20:56:29] <PetefromTn_> no I mean did he hit it bad and get hurt?
[20:56:46] <renesis> naw hes fine, techpro barriers work
[20:56:51] <PetefromTn_> Whew
[20:57:25] <PetefromTn_> thats one thing I TRULY miss about not paying for cable TV is watching the F1 races etc.
[20:57:48] <renesis> the toddler (verstappen) went head on into the techpro barriers at the end of the monaco straight, car burrier up to the cockpit
[20:57:49] <zeeshan-mill> live stream !
[20:57:50] <zeeshan-mill> online
[20:57:56] <Tom_itx> yeah
[20:58:01] <PetefromTn_> where?
[20:58:06] <PetefromTn_> MONACO!!!!!
[20:58:07] <renesis> he was totally fine, theres been a couple more almost as bad
[20:58:13] <renesis> no, mexican gp
[20:58:20] <PetefromTn_> oh ok
[20:58:27] <PetefromTn_> you got me all excited here man hehe
[20:58:28] <Tom_itx> http://live.realstreamunited.com/streaming/free-live-video-streaming-nascar-sprint-cup-race-motor-sports-nascar
[20:58:33] <Tom_itx> pick your poison
[20:58:35] <renesis> cool track, they got a chicane in a stadium, easily the most excited fans this season
[20:59:02] <renesis> monaco is my bd gp, is in may, always towards the end of may
[20:59:35] <zeeshan-mill> pete do you dance your mill
[20:59:38] <zeeshan-mill> when warming up
[20:59:41] <PetefromTn_> how do you stream those damnit LOL
[20:59:53] <renesis> do you have acestream?
[21:00:08] <PetefromTn_> no idea what that is
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[21:00:17] <Tom_itx> click on one you want
[21:00:18] <renesis> is like bittorent for streaming
[21:00:24] <Tom_itx> and several sites will pop up
[21:00:29] <renesis> built into a VLC based client
[21:00:37] <Tom_itx> you probably want liveshare
[21:00:39] <PetefromTn_> why is it that whenever I get on here I feel like I am living under a rock but everyone I know thinks I am into everything>>>
[21:00:49] <zeeshan-mill> rofl
[21:01:04] <Tom_itx> click the 'link1' link
[21:01:19] <PetefromTn_> aah oka
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[21:01:31] <PetefromTn_> got it... THANK YOU SO DAMN MUCH!!!!
[21:01:40] <Tom_itx> yup
[21:01:54] <PetefromTn_> is the race over?
[21:01:57] <renesis> http://squirrelstreams.com/?p=1
[21:02:03] <Tom_itx> the one i'm watching isn't
[21:02:04] <Tom_itx> :D
[21:02:14] <renesis> race just ended tho, im like 15 laps buffered
[21:02:27] <PetefromTn_> shit
[21:02:35] <PetefromTn_> I wanted to watch the F1 race
[21:02:46] <Tom_itx> you can always catch the nascar race :)
[21:02:58] <PetefromTn_> meh not really a nascar fan
[21:03:04] <PetefromTn_> what about GP bikes?
[21:03:06] <renesis> r/formula1 on reddit will have torrent stream in a few hours, and a onedrive upload by tomorrow
[21:03:27] <PetefromTn_> do you guys stream to your TV?
[21:03:31] <renesis> motogp seems exciting! ive never followed but looks exciting, maybe watch next year
[21:03:37] <renesis> i dont has a tv =(
[21:03:39] <PetefromTn_> I LOVE MOTOGP
[21:03:39] <Tom_itx> just on the pc
[21:03:45] <Tom_itx> but i got dish now
[21:04:13] <PetefromTn_> that is what I was trying to do a couple weeks ago with my Laptop to my Panasonic Flatscreen
[21:04:19] <renesis> petefromtn_: yeah seems like everyone who follows it! f1 fans bitch a lot (with good reaosn, hard to be an f1 fan)
[21:04:19] <PetefromTn_> never did get it working
[21:04:31] <Tom_itx> you'll have to save the link.. they're always showing something
[21:04:32] <renesis> wec is cool but is hard to watch endurance race weekends
[21:04:33] <PetefromTn_> I have ALWAYS been an F1 fan
[21:04:43] <Tom_itx> i used to be
[21:04:50] <renesis> 2005 really pissed me off
[21:05:05] <renesis> i didnt follow for a few years after
[21:05:44] <PetefromTn_> I have not been able to watch for several years because I am a cheap bastard that would rather spend my pennies on CNC and car stuff than my TV service LOL
[21:06:28] <renesis> bernie is supposed to sell f1 media shares this year, streaming options prob improve soon
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[21:07:16] <PetefromTn_> I've said it before...
[21:07:22] <PetefromTn_> The worlds best drivers
[21:07:35] <PetefromTn_> Driving the most state of the art cars
[21:07:47] <PetefromTn_> on the most exotic racetracks the world has to offer
[21:07:53] <PetefromTn_> what more could you ask for?
[21:07:55] <renesis> even with the formula kind of fucked up, theyre still the fastest cars
[21:08:01] <renesis> 2004 speeds
[21:08:03] <ssi> PetefromTn_: moar flying :D
[21:08:24] <PetefromTn_> Ok you got me there
[21:08:27] <PetefromTn_> :D
[21:08:28] <renesis> theyre just barely getting back to 2004 lap times, 2017 is going to be a major formula overhaul, they want to drop like 5 seconds off lap times
[21:08:58] <PetefromTn_> ssi YOU azzhole you got me all addicted to those damn Z cars man...
[21:08:59] <renesis> wec is starting to catch up
[21:09:20] <ssi> eheheh
[21:09:25] <ssi> come help me work on mine
[21:09:28] <renesis> technology is prob more advanced for less money in wec
[21:09:29] <ssi> I have the lift about ready to put up
[21:09:37] <PetefromTn_> nice
[21:09:39] <renesis> definitely more varied
[21:09:59] <PetefromTn_> If I can find a decent cheap builder car I will grab one I swear...
[21:10:08] <PetefromTn_> but It is gonna have to be pretty cheap
[21:10:08] <renesis> which z?
[21:10:14] <PetefromTn_> 300ZX
[21:10:18] <PetefromTn_> 1990-1996
[21:10:21] <renesis> i got my 280z for like $400, heh
[21:10:29] <renesis> i like those
[21:10:34] <PetefromTn_> You got a 280 cool
[21:10:41] <PetefromTn_> I love the old ones too
[21:10:43] <PetefromTn_> 240
[21:10:49] <Sync> PetefromTn_: actual racing
[21:10:53] <renesis> was a beater, regged non op, had floor cancer
[21:10:53] <Sync> I really like WEC
[21:11:01] <renesis> yeah the 240 is the sexiest
[21:11:04] <ssi> no
[21:11:07] <ssi> 260 is sexier :)
[21:11:10] <renesis> ew
[21:11:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah man
[21:11:13] <renesis> its got a hump back
[21:11:39] <PetefromTn_> there are a couple RB26 swapped 240 and 260z out there
[21:11:42] <PetefromTn_> INSANE
[21:11:55] <ssi> RB26 260 is someting I've dreamed about lul
[21:11:59] <renesis> 240z with a zx L28 would be what id build up if i had monies
[21:12:02] <PetefromTn_> DROOLLllll
[21:12:16] <ssi> buddy of mine had a smallblock chevy 260
[21:12:19] <ssi> I'd rather have the RB
[21:12:26] <renesis> omg those things are so nuts
[21:13:13] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA6lXoHQ9sc
[21:13:27] <PetefromTn_> I can't understand the desire to put a US v8 in one
[21:13:34] <ssi> agreed
[21:15:15] <zeeshan> v8 win
[21:15:21] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[21:15:21] <zeeshan> youre from tn
[21:15:25] <zeeshan> youre supposed to support v8s
[21:15:29] <zeeshan> not be a ricer!
[21:15:32] <ssi> pete's not from tn
[21:15:32] <PetefromTn_> no I am NOT DAMNIT
[21:15:41] <ssi> despite his poorly chosen nick :)
[21:15:45] <PetefromTn_> I just happened to land here
[21:15:59] <PetefromTn_> and I am trying hard to remedy that situation LOL
[21:16:35] <PetefromTn_> I need to be PetefromFLORIDASITTINONTHEBEACHTAKINGINTHERAYS!!!
[21:17:00] <renesis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuvXCUUOh3c
[21:17:04] <Sync> well, a small and light V8 would surely be fun
[21:17:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah it would
[21:17:25] <renesis> haha @ pulleys next to the drivers arm
[21:17:37] <PetefromTn_> when my family and I last went to Downtown Knoxville's Market Square for dinner
[21:17:54] <PetefromTn_> we parked in a parking garage
[21:18:15] <PetefromTn_> and when we were walking out this slammed built 240 rolled thru the garage
[21:18:18] <PetefromTn_> sounded MEAN
[21:18:24] <PetefromTn_> looked totally awesome
[21:18:35] <PetefromTn_> I wanted to get a better look at it
[21:18:53] <PetefromTn_> but we were already late for dinner and he must have run up to the top floor it sounded like
[21:19:11] <PetefromTn_> must have had some serious motor work or swap done
[21:19:49] <PetefromTn_> the only problem is they are all rusting away nowadays it seems
[21:20:04] <PetefromTn_> every one I see that is not at a car show is falling apart literally
[21:21:29] <Sync> I always wonder about those al pan seats you see in the states
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[21:28:28] <XXCoder> ever washing a ton rain heh
[21:28:38] <XXCoder> washington state rains a lot, in least west side
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[21:47:00] <Deejay> gn8
[21:48:04] <PetefromTn_> ssi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN8WRjOa8Aw SICK.....
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[21:50:05] <XXCoder> 1972 turbo interesting
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[21:51:13] <wolfmanjm> I've googled around but cannot find anything that will allow me to see how far through the gcode file I am, I know percentage complete is not really possible, but at least a percentage of the wy through the current file would be nice. anyone know of a way to add that?
[21:54:26] <PetefromTn_> can
[21:54:42] <PetefromTn_> can't you see the file progress bar?
[21:55:10] <XXCoder> wolfmanjm: has n(number) in each line?
[21:55:20] <XXCoder> thats not perfect but workable if you know end number
[21:55:37] <fenn> wolfmanjm: there's a hal pin, motion.program-line
[21:58:25] <wolfmanjm> thanks
[22:03:06] <ssi> PetefromTn_: niiiice
[22:04:48] <PetefromTn_> hehe I thought you would enjoy that
[22:05:29] <PetefromTn_> Id bet that thing FLIES!!
[22:11:24] <ssi> I have a cricket in here and it's driving me crazy
[22:12:04] <PetefromTn_> lul
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[22:36:35] <ssi> PCW: I'm muddling through the smartserial stuff for trying to get this new remote working correctly, and I see that the host is sending 0xE6 0x00
[22:36:45] <ssi> E6 is in a range that the docs just call "reserved"
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[22:56:42] <zeeshan> i love that era datsun
[22:56:43] <zeeshan> s
[22:56:45] <zeeshan> sexy.
[22:56:57] <ssi> I think this cricket is actually making me sick to my stomach
[22:57:05] <ssi> I'm seriously about to lose my mind
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[23:10:37] <PetefromTn_> don't set your new house on fire trying to rid yourself of the cricket :D
[23:11:27] * renesis dogfighting a fly with windex, its hiding on the cieling now. fly not smart
[23:13:14] <ssi> I'm not in a house
[23:13:25] <ssi> I did chase the sound with brake cleaner
[23:13:27] <ssi> but no luck
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[23:45:43] <MacGalempsy> hello
[23:50:38] <PetefromTn_> hello
[23:52:08] <jdh> hello.
[23:53:56] <ssi> hello!
[23:54:43] <MacGalempsy> everyone behaving today?
[23:54:47] <ssi> negative
[23:54:56] <MacGalempsy> muy excellente mi amigo
[23:56:59] <PetefromTn_> why hell no what kinda question is that??;)
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[23:57:39] <MacGalempsy> the best kind of questions get negative emotions flowing >:)
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[23:58:57] <MacGalempsy> im trying to figure out how to make a living today
[23:59:05] <PetefromTn_> you too?
[23:59:08] <MacGalempsy> so until I win the lottery, im stuck hustlin
[23:59:34] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: im going to give a shot at selling some 3d printers with a seminar aspect
[23:59:58] <MacGalempsy> so making BOM and trying to get some numbers going