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[00:53:17] <zeeshan|2> howdy
[00:53:52] <malcom2073_> Hi
[00:54:36] <Tom_itx> link for countersunk screw dimensions?
[00:55:01] <Tom_itx> iirc i thought i saw a good one here the other day
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[01:07:46] <andypugh> Tom_itx: http://www.roymech.co.uk/Useful_Tables/Screws/cap_screws.htm ?
[01:08:18] <andypugh> But I suspect not, as I doubt you care about BS metric screws>
[01:09:47] <andypugh> Sometimes it is useful to consider the old whitworth cap screws, they have much smaller heads. I don’t know why, as the hex heads were actually bigger.
[01:10:47] <zeeshan|2> machinist handbook
[01:10:48] <zeeshan|2> :P
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[01:13:24] <andypugh> Here we are, BS190 Whitworth bolts. Aren’t the heads big? http://www.steamsupplies.co.uk/product/bs190-pre-war-bsw-bolts-5-8-c3107/
[01:14:08] <ssi> andypugh: i have some BS and whitworth snapon wrenches that came out of my grandfather's toolbox
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[01:15:52] <Tom_itx> saw that one andypugh
[01:15:59] <Tom_itx> i found what i was looking for
[01:16:39] <andypugh> Currentky I am mainly annoyed that the inch-size allen key set I got skips the one above 1/4” which is most prevalent on my lathe. I am using my 8mm.
[01:16:41] <Tom_itx> http://www.franciskirk.com/_includes/docs/pdf/87.pdf
[01:16:44] <Tom_itx> is fairly complete
[01:17:15] <andypugh> (err, no, probably not 8mm, let me check)
[01:17:16] <Tom_itx> 5/16
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[01:17:40] <Tom_itx> 6mm maybe?
[01:18:24] <Tom_itx> no, it would be 8mm..
[01:18:46] <Tom_itx> 7.94mm
[01:18:49] <andypugh> 1/4 = 2/8 = 4/16 so, yes, 5/16..
[01:18:54] <andypugh> 8mm is very close
[01:19:23] <andypugh> My allen key set jumps to 6/16
[01:19:43] <Tom_itx> 3/8
[01:20:12] <andypugh> Yes, I can actualy do arithmetic, I just resent having to
[01:20:19] <Tom_itx> odd it skips 5/16
[01:20:25] <Tom_itx> heh
[01:21:52] <malcom2073_> Pool cue makers are nut
[01:21:54] <malcom2073_> nuts
[01:23:11] <andypugh> I think fractions just make life harder. I don’t really care about the units, I would be perfectly happy with decimal inches or decimal barleycorns (the units of shoe size) as long is it was obvious from the number which was bigger.
[01:23:32] <Tom_itx> heh
[01:23:48] <Tom_itx> it's funny what we take for granted
[01:26:10] <andypugh> 25/64 bigger or smaller than 3/8? Without doing any aritmetic, can you tell?
[01:26:54] <Tom_itx> bigger
[01:26:59] <andypugh> I get to bigger, but it took about that lone
[01:27:05] <andypugh> (long)
[01:27:17] <Tom_itx> was afk
[01:27:26] <Tom_itx> by 1/64
[01:27:43] <andypugh> 0.1234566667 bigger or smaller than 0.123458
[01:28:23] <Tom_itx> smaller
[01:28:31] <andypugh> (Actually that isn’t even fair)
[01:28:36] <Tom_itx> by a gnat's ass
[01:29:32] <Tom_itx> even with rounding it's .000001 smaller
[01:29:35] <andypugh> Yeah, the actual comparison to the first pair is .390625 to .375 and that takes milliseconds
[01:29:42] <roycroft> andypugh: it depends on what you use to measure the two
[01:30:34] <andypugh> You have a vernier that reads in fractions?
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[01:32:18] <roycroft> coming into the discussion late, as usual, i don't really know the context
[01:32:41] <bz> that feeling when everything lines up virtually as precisely as envisioned on paper
[01:32:47] <roycroft> if someone is trying to advocate a decimal system as inherently "better" than a fractional system or vice versa i say bunk to both parties
[01:34:40] <andypugh> I disagree, in that a fractional system becomes an excercise in succsesive approximation.
[01:35:12] <roycroft> often it's useful to divide something in to halves, thirds, quarters, etc. recursively
[01:35:18] <roycroft> and fractions work great for that
[01:35:21] <andypugh> Though, in actuality, they are identical. In that one has a varying base, and the other is a successive sum of fixed bases
[01:35:40] <roycroft> note that i'm not discussing units at all here
[01:36:21] <andypugh> Yes, I am perfectly happy with half a cake. I don’t see that that makes it sensible to define one drill in my set as half the size of another one
[01:36:24] <roycroft> i think that the building construction industry in the us would adopt si units more readily if fractional meters were used commonly
[01:37:08] <roycroft> fractions are easier for people who have weak math backgrounds to comprehend than decimals
[01:37:22] <roycroft> fractions are taught in schools before decimal math in this country, at least
[01:37:22] <andypugh> Really?
[01:37:41] <andypugh> I don’t see that at all
[01:38:05] <roycroft> i deal with people whose eyes glaze over at the mere hint of using math all the time
[01:38:17] <roycroft> but they can comprehend half of something
[01:38:18] <andypugh> comparing decimals you only need to compare numbers until there is a difference.
[01:38:31] <roycroft> their brains stop functioning when they try to comprehend 0.5 of something though
[01:38:35] <andypugh> And then the bigger number is bigger
[01:38:51] <roycroft> but fractions are not perceived as "numbers" by non-math people
[01:39:04] <roycroft> they are perceived as quantities
[01:39:10] <andypugh> But to compare 25/64 to 3/8 you have to convert 3/8 to 24.64..
[01:39:13] <roycroft> numbers are abstract
[01:39:55] <andypugh> How do your non-math folk compare 25/64 to 3.8?
[01:39:55] <roycroft> a person can take a cake and divide it into eights without doing math
[01:39:57] <roycroft> cut in half
[01:40:01] <roycroft> cut each half in half
[01:40:05] <roycroft> and cut each quarter in half
[01:40:10] <roycroft> no math involved
[01:40:22] <roycroft> they don't, andypugh
[01:40:54] <andypugh> They have to be able to double the numbers, though, to do that without a cake to cut
[01:40:58] <roycroft> and their lives do not require that
[01:41:20] <roycroft> but if they don't have a cake to cut they have no reason to try to conceptualize 1/8
[01:41:31] <andypugh> Now, I am all in favour of using a cake any time I need to compare fractions, it seems like an _excellent_ idea
[01:41:39] <roycroft> yes
[01:41:45] <roycroft> it's quite approachable
[01:41:50] <roycroft> and generally quite tasty
[01:41:55] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i cut pie instead
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[01:42:02] <roycroft> pies are more problematic
[01:42:12] <roycroft> because pies can be confused with pi
[01:42:19] <roycroft> and pi is a total mind blower
[01:42:42] <roycroft> keep in mind that the indiana state legislature came dangerously close to defining pi as 3
[01:42:44] <Tom_itx> yeah you'd be running in circles all night figuring that out
[01:42:55] <roycroft> and had no concept of why that would be a bad thing
[01:43:30] <andypugh> Not quite the same thing, but the time when I was paid to cut pies and cakes, the accountants and sales folks had determined that the optimal slice sizes for the stand pie and the cheesecake was 11 slices per pie for the pie, and 13 slices per cake for the cake.
[01:43:50] <roycroft> now that requires a template
[01:43:56] <andypugh> It was easier for the pie to cut to 12 and eat one…..
[01:44:05] <roycroft> and somebody has to do the math to generate the template one time
[01:44:17] <roycroft> because a pie cutter cannot be expected to do it
[01:44:30] <roycroft> yes, cutting to 12 and eating one is probably a much better solution
[01:44:36] <CaptHindsight> if the pie filling isn't firm it's hard to tell what fraction a piece has been cut to
[01:44:38] <Tom_itx> they're lucky to keep all digits in tact
[01:44:48] <andypugh> Actually, the professional cooks in the place could do 11 and 13 spot on every time
[01:45:06] <CaptHindsight> do you count what the cutter intended or do you measure after the filing stops running?
[01:45:16] <roycroft> and you have to then question if the accountant and sales folks like pie a lot and expect that an optimal 11 slices anticipates that the cutter will eat one
[01:45:32] <andypugh> But I was a schoolboy heading towards a physics degree, and couldn’t do it.
[01:45:41] <PetefromTn_> jeez man the shit you guys talk about here is mind numbing sometimes ;)
[01:45:50] <Tom_itx> then if you ask for a baker's dozen you get 13
[01:46:10] <Tom_itx> one place here gives you 14
[01:46:40] <CaptHindsight> is 14 pieces of pie more than 13?
[01:46:41] <roycroft> my expectation would be that the average pie cutter would cut 10 equal sized slices and have a remainder 11th slice that would be larger than the rest
[01:46:57] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, not if you count the whole
[01:47:25] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: so pie slices are measured by total mass or volume?
[01:47:38] <CaptHindsight> is the same true for pizza?
[01:47:55] <Tom_itx> pizza is supposed to be different slice sizes
[01:48:02] <Tom_itx> isn't it?
[01:48:21] <Tom_itx> then you can decide how hungry/full you are and not waste any
[01:48:30] <roycroft> pie slices should be measured by aggregate deliciousness
[01:49:17] <XXCoder> people just accept slices of pie?
[01:49:18] <XXCoder> dang
[01:49:38] <roycroft> no
[01:49:43] <roycroft> i always question my pie
[01:49:47] <roycroft> i never just accept it
[01:50:03] <andypugh> I found this fascinating, the various different tyopes of UK ounces, pounds, stones etc before we switched to SI. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/English_mass_units_short.jpg
[01:50:15] <roycroft> but speaking of pies, i just pulled a very nice scottish fisherman's pie out of the oven
[01:50:24] <roycroft> and i made proper tatties and neeps for it
[01:51:01] <andypugh> roycroft: Was the scottish fisherman upset at all when you meddled with his pie?
[01:51:27] <roycroft> he's 7000k away, so i don't care
[01:51:30] <roycroft> km
[01:51:49] <roycroft> and he's also probably sleeping
[01:51:51] <andypugh> (perhaps not, you described him as a nice scottish fisherman, he might have been too polite to object)
[01:52:07] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, you got a problem taling about food here?
[01:52:09] <Tom_itx> :)
[01:52:23] <roycroft> i have a lot of scots blood in me
[01:52:30] <PetefromTn_> why hell no
[01:52:31] <roycroft> and i tend to get along well with most scots
[01:52:39] <roycroft> glaswegians notwithstanding
[01:52:54] <PetefromTn_> speaking of food
[01:53:00] <andypugh> Hmm, while we are discussing inadequate systems of units, the fact that your statement could be construed as ambiguous shows that the english language is also deeply flawed
[01:53:09] <PetefromTn_> had a great meal tonight
[01:53:21] <roycroft> i would not necessarily consider that a bug
[01:53:34] <CaptHindsight> I'm diluting my blood with scotch
[01:53:39] <roycroft> grammatical ambiguity can lead to further conversation
[01:53:59] <roycroft> which i consider generally good
[01:54:20] <CaptHindsight> happy Halloween, g'nite everyone
[01:54:26] <PetefromTn_> gn8
[01:55:02] <roycroft> it's not halloween here yet
[01:55:19] <roycroft> but when it is, that's really the eve of samhain
[01:55:40] <PetefromTn_> we just got back from a family night and visisted the MYSTERY MANSION in Gatlinburgh Haunted house....
[01:55:50] <roycroft> interestingly though, our tradition of pumpkin carving stems from an old celtic tradition of carving swedes (turnips)
[01:55:55] <PetefromTn_> I think I soiled myself a couple times in there hehe
[01:56:00] <roycroft> which are the neeps in my tatties and neeps
[01:56:14] <andypugh> I _think_ thay Jurt Goëdel showed that any possible grammar will be ambigous. Or, at least that the sentence “this sentence is false” will always be gramatically correct for any possible set of rules of grammar
[01:56:23] <andypugh> (Kurt, not Jurt)
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[01:57:28] <andypugh> I am going to have to hide in the house with the light out tomorrow, I suppose.
[01:58:08] <roycroft> my plan is to hang out in my shop with the music playing loudly enough that i cannot hear the doorbell ringing
[01:58:24] <andypugh> I refuse to accept having beggars come to my door, even if they are small and dressed strangely
[01:58:26] <roycroft> which is my annual plan
[01:58:59] <roycroft> i'd not mind the begging so much if i could give them something decent
[01:59:12] <roycroft> when i was a lad we would get homemade treats and eat them
[01:59:15] <PetefromTn_> I love trick or treaters
[01:59:21] <roycroft> now anything that's not factory packaged gets rejected
[01:59:29] <PetefromTn_> wish we got more of them here
[02:00:07] <roycroft> i live on a dead-end street, and my block is mostly empty nesters, so we don't get too many here
[02:00:27] <andypugh> I despise “Trick or Treat” as a ghastly American import, it simply didn’t happen when I was a kid. Though we did have “Mischief Night” on the 4th, which was a lot worse in principle, in that there was no chance to offer a bribe to not have your house set on fire.
[02:01:11] <roycroft> i don't despise it
[02:01:13] <PetefromTn_> I feel sorry for you man
[02:01:18] <roycroft> i just don't see any point to it
[02:01:29] <PetefromTn_> why does there need to be a point?
[02:01:36] <PetefromTn_> its just for fun for the kids
[02:01:58] <roycroft> and a nightmare for their parents
[02:02:01] <PetefromTn_> I know I enjoyed it when I was a kid and my kids are sure looking forward to it
[02:02:19] <PetefromTn_> Personally I love it I go with them and wear my wicked clown mask LOL
[02:02:32] <PetefromTn_> I just don't take any candy
[02:02:50] <PetefromTn_> and I try to watch out for my kids and other kids and cars etc. etc.
[02:02:51] <roycroft> i think the costuming part can be fun
[02:03:07] <roycroft> the concept of costumes for sugar is kind of weird
[02:03:14] <andypugh> Well, I never did it as a kid, and I don’t know how to handle other peoples kids. I just don’t have anything to do with kids, at all. They baffle and confuse me.
[02:03:24] <Tom_itx> heh
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[02:03:43] <roycroft> a different tradition that still involves costumes and fun, but not loading up on concentrated sugar would be fine
[02:03:51] <Tom_itx> once they reach the age they finally get the hang of it... they're almost too big to go
[02:04:01] <andypugh> They are like people, but smaller and not finished. That’s wierd
[02:04:03] <PetefromTn_> when I lived in socal Halloween was a huge event and there were thousands of kids all around costumed up.
[02:04:08] <Tom_itx> last time mine went they brought home 15lbs of candy
[02:04:33] <PetefromTn_> around here it is cool too but not nearly as many kids
[02:04:43] <Tom_itx> andypugh, by the time we're finished we're nearly too old to move
[02:05:04] <roycroft> to me the halloween tradition in this country is just another corporate greed event
[02:05:09] <andypugh> I don’t mind Tricj Or Treat happenign in the US, but until about 10 years ago it was unheard-of in the UK.
[02:05:19] <roycroft> the costume and candy corporations promote it so that they can profit
[02:05:24] <andypugh> It’s new and I fear change :-)
[02:05:30] <roycroft> i don't fear change
[02:05:40] <Tom_itx> life is change
[02:05:43] <roycroft> i'm vehemently anti-corporatist though
[02:05:48] <andypugh> (I also fear strangers at the door)
[02:06:04] <Tom_itx> well, we're no stranger so if i come knocking...
[02:06:06] <roycroft> (and don't want to argue that, as this channel is the wrong venue)
[02:06:27] <roycroft> halloween has turned into pre-christmas here
[02:06:55] <Tom_itx> they've already stocked the shelves with christmas here
[02:07:03] <andypugh> Well, that’s not entirely true, but every visitor to my door other than the postman is an interaction with a strnager that I didn’t choose to have. And that bothers me
[02:07:06] <roycroft> except halloween stuff is long gone in the stores
[02:07:09] <PetefromTn_> think of it that there are thousands of businesses family run all over the country making some extra cash for their families over it
[02:07:13] <roycroft> and christmas stuff has been out for weeks
[02:07:35] <roycroft> except they're not, petefromtn_
[02:07:42] <PetefromTn_> sure they are
[02:07:50] <roycroft> a handful of large corporations are making extra cash from it
[02:07:58] <PetefromTn_> BS
[02:08:19] <roycroft> corporations who oursource most of their jobs
[02:08:33] <andypugh> I would quite like to drop christmas too. I don’t believe in the fundamental part of it.
[02:08:33] <roycroft> halloween supports the chinese economy
[02:08:49] <roycroft> i have a yule celebration each year, andypugh
[02:09:14] <Tom_itx> roycroft, 4th of july does...
[02:09:22] <roycroft> i also have a tradition going back over 30 years of not spending any money at all on black friday
[02:09:30] <andypugh> I would quite happily buy my family a midwinter gift, though. Winter is real, and something good in the middle is a nice idea.
[02:09:40] <PetefromTn_> gee you guys are a bunch of laughs
[02:09:41] <roycroft> i make sure my vehicle is fueled and i have enough food to get me through the day
[02:09:47] <andypugh> What is black friday?
[02:09:59] <roycroft> it's the day after thanksgiving in the us
[02:10:06] <Tom_itx> andypugh, day after thanksgiving
[02:10:09] <roycroft> thanksgiving being the 4th thursday in november
[02:10:13] <Jymmm> Now, THAT is what I like to see… a single match fire =)
[02:10:21] <roycroft> it's the biggest shopping day of the year
[02:10:33] <roycroft> the "official" start of the christmas shopping season
[02:10:49] <andypugh> Ah, I seem to recall that’s your only “bank holiday” ?
[02:10:54] <Tom_itx> after you've eaten way too much the day before you go out on that friday and spend way too much
[02:11:06] <roycroft> it's called that because it's the average day that american retailers' revenue is in the black for the year
[02:11:10] <Jymmm> roycroft: Oh, is THAT why I see xmas stuff in the store
[02:11:18] <roycroft> it's not a bank holiday
[02:11:26] <Jymmm> ...for the last 4 weeks
[02:11:36] <roycroft> we have several bank holidays, but not black friday
[02:11:53] <roycroft> a few years ago "cyber thursday" started
[02:11:56] <andypugh> I am being disingenous, they run big “black friday” sales in the UK too, they just don’t actually correlate to any other thing.
[02:12:06] <roycroft> where online retailers would do their christmas sales starting on thanskgiving day
[02:12:22] <roycroft> then brick and mortar retailers started opening on thanksgiving
[02:12:46] <roycroft> the optimist that i always am, i am encouraged this year though
[02:12:55] <Tom_itx> andypugh, some line up at the door and camp out waiting for them to open
[02:13:05] <andypugh> Those damned retailers, it’s like they only care about selling stuff and making money!
[02:13:50] <Wolf_> funny part is people wasting 2 days or more to save $100
[02:13:57] <roycroft> rei (recreational equipment incorporated), a large consumer cooperative selling camping/hiking/outdoor equipment are closing on black friday this year, and are giving employees the day off with pay
[02:14:25] <Jymmm> Phuk em all, I already bought my xmas gifts =)
[02:14:28] <roycroft> they are not totally shutting down their website, but there will be a splash page encouraging people to go outdoors and do something instead of shopping
[02:14:44] <roycroft> i've been an rei member since 1973
[02:15:00] <roycroft> 'cuz i'm like a commie and stuff
[02:15:20] <andypugh> Yeah, anyway, tomorrow I will turn the lights off and pretend to be out, because I don’t actually know what the rules are when kids knock on the door. I don’t know what they expect from me, or what the consequences are if I fail to comply. It is a contract where I have not read the rules.
[02:15:36] <PetefromTn_> good
[02:15:43] <roycroft> i have a "no soliciting" sign on my front door
[02:15:49] <Jymmm> REVERSE TRICK OR TREAT!!!
[02:15:51] <roycroft> i wonder if the trick-or-treaters will respect that
[02:16:24] <Jymmm> andypugh: REVERSE TRICK OR TREAT!!! That's where you GET (grab) candy from the ppl that knock on your door =)
[02:16:25] <Wolf_> put empty bowl at front door with sign “Please take only one”
[02:16:47] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah they will respect it alright. probably walk by the house with their kids saying.."Look kids a jackass lives there that is too cheap to buy a couple bags of freaking candy"!
[02:16:52] <roycroft> i can tell you all from experience that religious prostelytisers take no heed of the no soliciting sign
[02:17:07] <roycroft> and i've had to tell them countless time that bible thumping is a form of solicitation
[02:17:35] <roycroft> hmm
[02:17:36] <Jymmm> roycroft: Just hang a 5 point star outside your door
[02:17:36] <roycroft> you know
[02:17:50] <andypugh> roycroft: To be fair, from their point of view they are giving, not taking.
[02:17:55] <roycroft> this past summer the main water line feeding my house had a leak
[02:18:13] <roycroft> and i had to have someone dig a trench and install a new main water line
[02:18:30] <roycroft> the person who did that mostly tidied things up, but left a 5 gallon bucket full of rocks
[02:18:50] <roycroft> i'm thinking i have treats for the door knockers!
[02:19:05] <XXCoder> roycroft: just do satanic stuff anbd deco
[02:19:10] <XXCoder> dress up
[02:19:11] <andypugh> Are they nice rocks?
[02:19:12] <XXCoder> answer door
[02:19:20] <roycroft> they are river run
[02:19:27] <roycroft> so fairly smooth and round
[02:19:42] <Jymmm> roycroft: answer the door in your red fishnet stockings... they'll never come back again =)
[02:20:06] <roycroft> yes, i do live a fairly conservative part of town
[02:20:07] <XXCoder> answer almost nude, lubed all over, with 2 dilios in hand
[02:20:17] <andypugh> All these ideas involve me doing something as part of a contract I didn’t sign up for. I just want a normal might where nobody knocks on my door.
[02:20:18] <roycroft> a rocky horror costume would have a strong effect
[02:20:40] <roycroft> implied social contracts suck
[02:20:45] <Jymmm> andypugh: You know that cave you restored?
[02:20:48] <roycroft> especially when you don't understand them
[02:20:57] <PetefromTn_> andypugh you sure are a boring old dude ;)
[02:21:06] <Jymmm> lol
[02:21:46] <andypugh> Yeah, that’s my big thing, ToT is new to me, I never did it from the other side, so I don’t actually know what the “trick” word even means,
[02:22:31] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Yes and no.
[02:23:09] <roycroft> when i was growing up there was a concept of trick *for* treat with some of the old timers in my neighborhood
[02:23:10] <andypugh> I just like to opt-in to stuff, not have it foisted on me
[02:23:16] <PetefromTn_> its not rocket science man....buy a couple fiv dollar bags of candy, put it in a bowl by the door, when the kids come ringing open the door and say OOH YOU LOOK SO SCARY and stuff some candy in their damn pillow cases.....
[02:23:25] <roycroft> i.e. kids would be expected to do something to earn their treat
[02:23:38] <roycroft> some kind of song and dance thing or something similar
[02:23:48] <roycroft> simple begging for candy was right out
[02:23:55] <roycroft> we learned to avoid those houses
[02:23:56] <PetefromTn_> they DID something they dressed up in a costume what more do you want?
[02:23:56] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: So, the “Trick” word, where does that fit in?
[02:24:30] <roycroft> that's simple
[02:24:36] <roycroft> it means "have sex with me or give me candy"
[02:24:37] <roycroft> :)
[02:24:38] <PetefromTn_> you act like the few cents worth of candy you are giving them is a years salary or something/
[02:24:59] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i think it's more the pester he's not liking
[02:25:02] <andypugh> Carol Singing, I get. They sing a song, you act like they are in tune, you give them some money for the cause they are supporting, all very jolly and traditional, I know the rules.
[02:25:04] <PetefromTn_> andypugh you really are overthinking the thing man
[02:25:06] <XXCoder> where are you can you can buy candy for pennies lol
[02:25:26] <roycroft> don't forget the hot buttered rum, andypugh
[02:25:28] <roycroft> carolers ome
[02:25:31] <roycroft> come
[02:25:32] <PetefromTn_> where are you that you can't?
[02:25:37] <roycroft> you give them hot buttered rum
[02:25:41] <roycroft> to keep them warm
[02:25:59] <roycroft> and since you have to open your door to hear them and give them the beverage, you pour one for yourself as well
[02:26:05] <roycroft> that's a win-win situation
[02:26:14] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: cheapest can buy is bunch for $2.50 a pound but that still is in least 5 cent each
[02:26:25] <XXCoder> hmm comes down to definition of "pennies"
[02:26:26] <roycroft> children begging for candy is a lose-lose situation
[02:26:48] <PetefromTn_> Jeez what a bunch of buzz kills in here
[02:26:57] <Tom_itx> hah
[02:27:17] <roycroft> you pay money to cause parents you don't know grief
[02:27:26] <PetefromTn_> go ahead.....don't celebrate halloween....sit in your boring ass house behind your boring ass door and enjoy your misery!!
[02:27:41] <XXCoder> lol
[02:27:42] <PetefromTn_> we don't GAF
[02:27:45] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: No, it isn’t about the money, I have lots of money. It is that I don’t know what the phrase “Trick or Treat” means. It sounds like if I don’t give them a treat then they have an implied right to play a trick on me. and that seems wrong.
[02:27:55] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: I used to work at haunted house for over a decade
[02:28:08] <PetefromTn_> andypugh who gives a rats ass what it means?
[02:28:10] <XXCoder> I'm so burnt out that I doubt I can really enjoy oct 31st for long time
[02:28:33] <roycroft> to be a grammar nazi
[02:28:38] <PetefromTn_> I will be out scaring the local kids with my menacing clown mask and laughing with my kids....
[02:28:46] <roycroft> which i'm occasionaly wont to be
[02:28:56] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: I do because I _don’t_inderstand_this_implied_social_contract_because_nobody_ever_explained_it_to_me
[02:29:10] <XXCoder> people who lost limbs can REALLY scare kids.
[02:29:11] <roycroft> if they say "trick or treat" they're actually demanding that you either give them candy or play a trick on them
[02:29:24] <XXCoder> stuff fake limb with red stuff
[02:29:29] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: And good for you, I hope you have fun.
[02:29:30] <XXCoder> fling and it falls off
[02:29:34] <Tom_itx> andypugh, do you tip the waiter when you eat out?
[02:29:38] <roycroft> "trick if not treat" would be the correct phrase for their playing a trick on you if you refuse to hand over the sugar
[02:29:44] <PetefromTn_> andypugh you're lucky you are not in my neighborhood....if you boycott halloween here we burn your damn house down
[02:29:49] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[02:30:10] <Tom_itx> that is an implied contract as well
[02:30:20] <PetefromTn_> you bet your sweet ass it is
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[02:30:30] <Tom_itx> although in some countries it's an insult
[02:30:38] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Ever been anywhere where the waiters are offended if you tip them?
[02:30:45] <roycroft> so if you don't want to give them treats, be prepared to trick them
[02:30:46] <andypugh> Yes, quite
[02:30:49] <Tom_itx> andypugh ^^
[02:30:53] <XXCoder> I'd consider burning house down to be quite a insult yes
[02:31:00] <roycroft> mayhap by pretending you're giving them treats when you're really not
[02:31:16] <roycroft> such as giving them a rock wrapped in a candy wrapper
[02:31:22] <zeeshan|2> good morning
[02:31:30] <XXCoder> roycroft: know whats better?
[02:31:36] <XXCoder> choculute covered rock
[02:31:50] <PetefromTn_> you guys are all a bunch of tech nerds who sit behind your computer screens poo pooing everyone elses customs and fun aren't ya...
[02:31:53] <roycroft> or "chocolate" covered rock?
[02:32:15] <PetefromTn_> just a bunch of freakin' bah humbugs in here
[02:32:17] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: like I said, I'm way burnt out on holloween stuff
[02:32:24] * Tom_itx is gonna egg PetefromTn_'s house tonight
[02:32:26] <andypugh> Tom_itx: In some places they take offence because they are doing a professional job they are paid for, and you are treating them like a menial dependent on your largesse.
[02:32:33] <XXCoder> ironically im going to halloween party tomorrow.
[02:32:44] <roycroft> where i live, halloween is actually not a big kids day any more
[02:32:56] <PetefromTn_> just a bunch of winey ass no account halloween boycotters
[02:33:06] <roycroft> it's more of a tween party night
[02:34:05] <zeeshan|2> holy cow pete is mad
[02:34:09] * zeeshan|2 scrolls up to see what happened
[02:34:23] <roycroft> the eugene police will be paying overtime to every cop they can get to work tomorrow
[02:34:36] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: seems like they are anti halloween
[02:34:37] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: bycotting and not taking part is worlds different
[02:34:39] <PetefromTn_> DAMN RIGHT I'm MAD
[02:34:40] <roycroft> and if we're lucky there will be no major fires/fights near campus
[02:34:43] <zeeshan|2> you will be happy to know that i have about 100lb of candy
[02:34:43] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: To turn it round, if I turned up at your house on the 5th Nov with a pretend body on a trolley made of clothes stuffed with newspaper, and said “penny for the guy” would you know what was going on?
[02:34:45] <zeeshan|2> to give away tomorrow!
[02:34:46] <zeeshan|2> im excited
[02:34:50] <zeeshan|2> i love seeing the kids dress up
[02:34:57] <zeeshan|2> especially the 4 year olds
[02:34:58] <zeeshan|2> they're so cute
[02:35:04] <zeeshan|2> dressed like dorks haha
[02:35:04] <roycroft> guy fawlkes day!
[02:35:21] <XXCoder> any of you guys ever went to burning man camp?
[02:35:21] <PetefromTn_> andypugh probably not but I would TRY to figure it out and participate not hide behind my damn door!!
[02:35:42] <zeeshan|2> i would nevre dress up
[02:35:45] <zeeshan|2> cause it's just not me
[02:35:50] <zeeshan|2> but i dont participate in it
[02:35:55] <XXCoder> see, another one boycotting
[02:35:56] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, friday night road rage kickin in?
[02:35:58] <XXCoder> :P
[02:36:07] <PetefromTn_> I'm PISSED!!!!
[02:36:11] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[02:36:13] <Tom_itx> no shit sherlock
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[02:36:21] <XXCoder> lol
[02:36:43] <norias> fun machining story today
[02:36:50] <Tom_itx> we're dealing with a multi cultural channel here... simmer down a bit
[02:36:58] <norias> i was messing with a haas with a probe on it
[02:36:59] <zeeshan|2> this is AMERICA
[02:37:03] <zeeshan|2> nothing is multicultural
[02:37:03] <norias> a haas
[02:37:10] <norias> in metric mode
[02:37:11] <PetefromTn_> like hell
[02:37:17] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-lab, this from a canuck
[02:37:18] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: usa is multicultural
[02:37:18] <norias> apparently... the probe only does inches
[02:37:22] <ssi> zeeshan|2: what is america
[02:37:24] <ssi> toronto?
[02:37:27] <XXCoder> I'm quite different from most americans
[02:37:32] <norias> damnit, fune
[02:37:32] <XXCoder> yet I am an american
[02:37:36] <norias> er, fine
[02:37:36] <PetefromTn_> you can say that shit again
[02:37:38] <roycroft> i am too, xxcoder
[02:37:40] <zeeshan|2> sorry americans
[02:37:54] <zeeshan|2> 2 days ago i got offered a job in california
[02:37:56] <norias> so, we're debating if america is multicultural?
[02:38:00] <zeeshan|2> after much delibrating
[02:38:04] <roycroft> no
[02:38:06] <zeeshan|2> i decided i wouldnt live in a shit hole like usa
[02:38:06] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[02:38:08] <Tom_itx> norias, no
[02:38:11] * zeeshan|2 hides
[02:38:11] * zeeshan|2 hides
[02:38:12] * zeeshan|2 hides
[02:38:14] <norias> oh, ok
[02:38:18] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: calfornia is funny state
[02:38:18] <roycroft> we're discussing how stupid americans are, regardless of their cultural background
[02:38:19] <ssi> zeeshan|2: probably wise
[02:38:29] <PetefromTn_> GOOD STAY UP THERE IN FREAKING CANADA YOU AZZHOLE!! ;)
[02:38:31] <zeeshan|2> hahaha
[02:38:35] <ssi> you wouldn't know what to do with all the freedom :D
[02:38:36] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, steam rises
[02:38:37] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: now, if you decided to live at northwest part of WA...
[02:38:40] <zeeshan|2> i really love canada
[02:38:42] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[02:38:51] <roycroft> at least canadia has a hunk for a prime minister now
[02:38:53] <zeeshan|2> our prime minister is a good looking guy too
[02:38:58] <zeeshan|2> :D
[02:39:01] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: no more harper woot
[02:39:04] <roycroft> all the ladies from the us want to move up to there now
[02:39:12] <ssi> I bet that'll do wonders for your economy
[02:39:15] <zeeshan|2> ssi
[02:39:18] <zeeshan|2> it's expected
[02:39:18] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[02:39:19] <zeeshan|2> i voted for him
[02:39:23] <zeeshan|2> he's gonna drown our economy
[02:39:27] <zeeshan|2> every liberal party does
[02:39:34] <ssi> but how? he's so good looking
[02:39:34] <zeeshan|2> then next term the conservatives will come clean it up
[02:39:35] <roycroft> yeah
[02:39:42] <roycroft> it's just like in the us
[02:39:44] <PetefromTn_> hehehe
[02:39:45] <zeeshan|2> but we need to bring canada back to its glory
[02:39:57] <PetefromTn_> BACK to it's Glory?
[02:39:57] <roycroft> liberals spend the economy into suckiness
[02:40:01] <zeeshan|2> and the liberals will do just that
[02:40:03] <zeeshan|2> yes PetefromTn_
[02:40:05] <andypugh> Lets count countries that have beaten the US in a war, we have Canada and….. (bear with me :-)
[02:40:08] <XXCoder> glory is overrated
[02:40:08] <zeeshan|2> harper brought bill c51
[02:40:09] <roycroft> tories tax cut the economy into suckiness
[02:40:13] <zeeshan|2> which invades everyones privacy
[02:40:18] <zeeshan|2> kinda like your homeland security act
[02:40:33] <zeeshan|2> the first thing liberals have promised is abolishing bill c51
[02:40:38] <zeeshan|2> 75% canada supports abolishing it
[02:40:39] <roycroft> too bad jack layton passed
[02:40:47] <PetefromTn_> Never been to Canada....Flew over it a couple times......did not see any good reason to land.
[02:40:51] <zeeshan|2> haha
[02:40:54] <bz> poutine
[02:41:03] <zeeshan|2> you're missing out man
[02:41:10] <PetefromTn_> doubt that
[02:41:15] <ssi> i want to go to canada
[02:41:19] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, so you landed in a swamp?
[02:41:19] <XXCoder> me too
[02:41:25] <bz> me too
[02:41:27] <zeeshan|2> come stay with me
[02:41:29] <zeeshan|2> all of you
[02:41:34] <PetefromTn_> you could piss out the window on the trip over
[02:41:34] <bz> do you have poutine?
[02:41:38] <ssi> pajama party at zeeeee's house
[02:41:41] <PetefromTn_> might rain on zeeshan
[02:41:41] <zeeshan|2> no, but i can take you to an excellent place
[02:41:43] <andypugh> The trouble with Canada is you could spend months there and wonder what you had missed, it’s so totallly huge.
[02:41:47] <roycroft> mulcair is a pretty weak leader
[02:41:54] <ssi> the trouble with canada is it's too far north
[02:41:57] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: thats why i love it!
[02:42:01] <roycroft> and the ndp lost almost all their gains from the last election
[02:42:02] <ssi> north means cold
[02:42:05] <ssi> and cold means suck
[02:42:05] <XXCoder> andypugh: 2nd largest yet population equals one of states in usa
[02:42:13] <zeeshan|2> the two things i want to see in usa are
[02:42:16] <PetefromTn_> YES COLD MEANS SUCK!!!
[02:42:16] <zeeshan|2> yosemite national park
[02:42:25] <ssi> zeeshan|2: yosemite is effing amazing
[02:42:30] <zeeshan|2> (hopefully yogi bear greets me)
[02:42:30] * roycroft lived right next to the canandian border for a long time
[02:42:31] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: my grandfather immgated from canada
[02:42:37] <roycroft> i don't consider canada too far north
[02:42:40] <ssi> yogi isn't at yosemite
[02:42:43] <ssi> he's in jellystone
[02:42:46] <zeeshan|2> whoops :)
[02:42:46] <XXCoder> too bad about 2 generation limit, I dont have canada citzenship
[02:42:50] <roycroft> i could ride my bike to canada in an hour from where i lived
[02:42:57] <zeeshan|2> the second place i'd like to visit is louisana
[02:43:02] <ssi> ...why? :P
[02:43:04] <zeeshan|2> food
[02:43:07] <roycroft> and i'm not talking motorcycle
[02:43:08] <PetefromTn_> I'll bet there would be some bears there to greet you
[02:43:22] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: bears is less dangerous there
[02:43:26] <XXCoder> compared to moose
[02:43:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah uh huh
[02:43:35] <ssi> zeeshan|2: I can get good cajun food in atlanta
[02:43:37] <roycroft> there would be beavers, not bears
[02:43:41] <ssi> and that means I don't have to go to louisiana
[02:43:45] <ssi> which is good because louisiana blows
[02:43:50] <zeeshan|2> ssi you're close to lousiana
[02:43:54] <PetefromTn_> been to Louisiana...
[02:43:54] <roycroft> and looneys
[02:43:57] <ssi> yeah I could be there in two hours
[02:43:57] <zeeshan|2> fuck i lied
[02:43:58] <PetefromTn_> not going back
[02:43:59] <zeeshan|2> theres 3 things
[02:44:01] <ssi> don't really want to be tho :)
[02:44:08] <zeeshan|2> i'd like to go to tornado alley and see some ef5's
[02:44:14] <PetefromTn_> hot and sticky without the beach really
[02:44:16] <XXCoder> I visited or lived at almost all western states
[02:44:16] <ssi> lol
[02:44:21] <XXCoder> but zero outside usa
[02:44:30] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: lucky
[02:44:32] <roycroft> i lived in bellingham
[02:44:33] <zeeshan|2> i've only been to a few states
[02:44:40] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: no, no I was not.
[02:44:43] <roycroft> vancover was closer than seattle for dinner/concerts/etc.
[02:44:44] <PetefromTn_> they let you in?
[02:44:46] <XXCoder> not a nice way to do so
[02:44:48] <roycroft> vancouver
[02:44:56] <andypugh> I quite like cold places
[02:45:02] <zeeshan|2> florida, tx, ny, pa, oh, il, maine, ca
[02:45:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah like inside your house
[02:45:09] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: helped a lot on understanding many differenmt cultures though
[02:45:10] <andypugh> Don’t know why.
[02:45:14] <PetefromTn_> behind the door from the trick or treaters
[02:45:16] <roycroft> vancouver has a maritime climate
[02:45:21] <roycroft> it's not very cold there
[02:45:25] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: ROFL
[02:45:26] <zeeshan|2> nice comeback
[02:45:46] <roycroft> it rarely gets to 30 degrees, but it also averages about 10 degrees in the winter, and rarely gets below freezing
[02:45:47] <XXCoder> roycroft: which vancouver? lol
[02:45:53] <PetefromTn_> the only thing good in Canada is
[02:45:58] <zeeshan|2> ZEESHAN!
[02:46:02] <roycroft> vancouver is vancouver bc
[02:46:02] <zeeshan|2> thank you :)
[02:46:05] <PetefromTn_> my DMM DRIVES AND MOTORS that are on their way!!
[02:46:06] <roycroft> vancouver wa is vancouver wa
[02:46:10] <XXCoder> I used to live at vancouver, WA. I used to say this: Vancouver, WA, NOT BC, not DC
[02:46:13] <zeeshan|2> nice
[02:46:17] <roycroft> and you know that
[02:46:34] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Your Canadian drives and motors?
[02:46:34] <XXCoder> roycroft: theres another vancouver city few hours north of vancouver. LOL
[02:46:48] <zeeshan|2> isn't wa a shithole
[02:46:50] <PetefromTn_> no my CHINESE by way of CANADA drives and motors hehe
[02:46:52] <zeeshan|2> i always see it in cops episodes
[02:46:54] <roycroft> i know vancouver wa well
[02:46:58] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: east sure
[02:47:03] <roycroft> i live in eugene these days (i have for over 20 years)
[02:47:13] <XXCoder> most of west WA is pretty awesome
[02:47:16] <roycroft> but when i first moved here i had several clients in bellingham still
[02:47:23] <roycroft> i did a lot of commuting
[02:47:32] <PetefromTn_> gotta pick my VFD now
[02:47:36] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: you should visit parks around here, like ape cave
[02:47:43] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder: youre in wa?
[02:47:47] <PetefromTn_> so far nothing better price/options than the Hitachi WJ200
[02:47:48] <XXCoder> being good reliable boots and 2 led flashlights per person
[02:47:49] <roycroft> 600km commute each way :(
[02:47:52] <XXCoder> *bring
[02:47:55] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: yeaj
[02:47:59] <zeeshan|2> where
[02:48:05] <XXCoder> tacoma now
[02:48:12] <roycroft> you're in tacoma, right?
[02:48:13] <roycroft> yeah
[02:48:20] <ssi> shit it got cold tonight :(
[02:48:21] <XXCoder> tacoma used to be high crime but better since then
[02:48:24] <roycroft> the armpit of the northwet
[02:48:27] <zeeshan|2> wow you got a lot of nice parks
[02:48:30] <PetefromTn_> I know right...
[02:48:38] <PetefromTn_> pretty chilly for just the end of Octo
[02:48:43] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2 you wanna see an ef5 google greensburg ks
[02:48:46] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: yeah. there is quite literal hundred park patghs
[02:48:49] <ssi> I'm in shorts and a tshirt, out in the hangar working
[02:48:49] <Tom_itx> or haysville tornado
[02:48:50] <roycroft> and in truth i have to say tacoma doesn't stink so much any more
[02:48:55] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: ive seen a lot in pics
[02:48:56] <zeeshan|2> and videos
[02:48:56] <Tom_itx> both are record holders
[02:48:58] <ssi> and the door is open, and it's getting COLD, FAST
[02:49:04] <zeeshan|2> but i want to experience one in real life
[02:49:07] <XXCoder> roycroft: still some problems but much better
[02:49:07] <Tom_itx> those are in my back yard
[02:49:08] <zeeshan|2> i wouldn't mind dieing in one
[02:49:09] <PetefromTn_> we went to a kickass haunted house tonight in Gatlinburh
[02:49:09] <roycroft> every since they put the cork in the weyerhauser smokestack
[02:49:12] <zeeshan|2> good way to go out
[02:49:22] <XXCoder> 90s to early 00s was bad
[02:49:24] <Tom_itx> wanna be impailed with a 2 x 4?
[02:49:29] <zeeshan|2> as long as it's quick
[02:49:38] <zeeshan|2> and im 1000 feet in the air
[02:49:42] <Jymmm> ssi: And I'm sitting in front of the fire I just lit all warm and toasty like =)
[02:49:49] <zeeshan|2> and i get to see the eye :)
[02:50:00] <Tom_itx> Jymmm with a gas mask on until it burns clean?
[02:50:16] <zeeshan|2> im looking at a map
[02:50:18] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Not at all, dont even smell anything
[02:50:23] <zeeshan|2> fak canada does have a lot of land
[02:50:24] <PetefromTn_> we were talking about lighting a bonfire in the fire pit tomorrow night
[02:50:36] <zeeshan|2> the drive i did from ontario to newfoundland
[02:50:38] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: second largest like I said
[02:50:42] <zeeshan|2> would mean i could drive through 20 states
[02:50:46] <zeeshan|2> in the same distance
[02:50:47] <roycroft> sunday is samhain
[02:50:51] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ some were talking about lighting one in your living room
[02:50:52] <roycroft> that would be the night for the firepit
[02:51:05] <PetefromTn_> I would if I could
[02:51:07] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: whatcha dressing up as tomorrow
[02:51:13] <zeeshan|2> a pissed of pirate?
[02:51:13] <zeeshan|2> :D
[02:51:14] <PetefromTn_> wicked clown
[02:51:22] <zeeshan|2> what about kids
[02:51:23] <Tom_itx> is that tomorrow?
[02:51:26] <PetefromTn_> shit even scares me
[02:51:38] <Jymmm> thats AL clowns
[02:51:41] <Jymmm> ALL*
[02:52:06] <zeeshan|2> if i dress up like anything
[02:52:11] <zeeshan|2> it might be like a fanuc robotic arm
[02:52:14] <zeeshan|2> but no ones gonna get it
[02:52:15] <zeeshan|2> :[
[02:52:24] <ssi> ahahaha i will
[02:52:31] <roycroft> you can dress up as yourself
[02:52:33] <roycroft> http://www.theonion.com/americanvoices/halloween-costumes-18371
[02:52:33] <PetefromTn_> I need to get a cape or something
[02:53:08] <Jymmm> https://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/priest-costume11-e1268948352798.jpg?w=680
[02:53:25] <roycroft> capes are important
[02:53:36] <roycroft> i watched supergirl monday night
[02:53:37] <PetefromTn_> gotta have a cape
[02:53:46] <andypugh> UK is down in 78th place of countries by land area. But at least we beat Uganda.
[02:53:50] <roycroft> she made a costume without a cape and when she starte flying she crashed
[02:53:58] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: move to canada
[02:53:58] <ChuangTzu> i saw a nice ski free yeti costume
[02:54:01] <roycroft> the cape is essential for stability when flying
[02:54:01] <zeeshan|2> its practically uk
[02:54:02] <zeeshan|2> :)
[02:54:19] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: No need, we sort-of own you anyway :-)
[02:54:20] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, the cool thing about tornados over hurricanes is their somewhat unpredictable
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[02:54:30] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: yep
[02:54:35] <zeeshan|2> and the thing is videos wont show you how fast they are
[02:54:44] <zeeshan|2> they're usually travelling at 50 mph
[02:54:44] <Tom_itx> here and gone in minutes
[02:54:52] <zeeshan|2> and they change direction like youre saying
[02:54:53] <zeeshan|2> wildly
[02:54:56] <ChuangTzu> does canada get as many tornados as usa?
[02:54:57] <Tom_itx> although the haysville one was on the ground for over 45 min
[02:54:59] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Is this your costume? http://images.esellerpro.com/2372/I/185/976/FLadiesNaughtyNun.jpg
[02:55:02] <zeeshan|2> and you'll only feel the magnitude of that in real life, not in videos
[02:55:19] <Tom_itx> damn right
[02:55:51] <zeeshan|2> my freiends work had a guy dressed up like caityln jenner
[02:55:52] <zeeshan|2> lol
[02:55:54] <PetefromTn_> Tornadoes scare the shit out of me honestly
[02:55:57] <roycroft> canada does not, chuangtzu
[02:55:58] <zeeshan|2> i think the joke was on him though :)
[02:56:02] <roycroft> nor as many hurricanes
[02:56:06] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: me too
[02:56:09] <zeeshan|2> but they're SICK!!
[02:56:16] <ChuangTzu> nor as many earthquakes i'd imagine
[02:56:25] <PetefromTn_> been in several hurricanes...we threw a party
[02:56:25] <zeeshan|2> earthquakes are awesome too
[02:56:26] <roycroft> we get a fair amount of funnel clouds here in western oregon
[02:56:32] <PetefromTn_> tornadoes...not so much
[02:56:33] <Tom_itx> it's not quite as bad here because it's not hilly and we can see them coming most of the time
[02:56:33] <roycroft> but rarely do the touch down
[02:56:38] <zeeshan|2> but would be cooler if the earth beneath you was splitting by 50 feet
[02:56:42] <zeeshan|2> but usually thats not the case :P
[02:56:48] <ChuangTzu> we used to get days off of school for hurricanes in highschool and middle school
[02:56:58] <roycroft> except that just happened in wyoming
[02:56:58] <ChuangTzu> so we would ride our bikes to the beach
[02:57:03] <roycroft> but not because of an earthquake
[02:57:10] <roycroft> it just happened
[02:57:10] <PetefromTn_> SURFS UP DUDE!!
[02:57:16] <zeeshan|2> lol
[02:57:29] <PetefromTn_> we used to go surfing just before the storm hit
[02:58:02] <andypugh> In Germany (or at least in some towns) they hav Karnival. It was amusing to be on the U-Bahn (tram) going to work with lots of other people going to work dressed as wasps and elves and suchlike, but all wearing their bored “going to work” faces
[02:58:15] <roycroft> http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/massive-crack-earth-opens-suddenly-wyomings-bighorn-mountains
[02:58:22] <zeeshan|2> roycroft: very rare
[02:58:36] <zeeshan|2> that is BAD ASS
[02:58:38] <zeeshan|2> though.
[02:59:04] <PetefromTn_> man I am getting excited my CNC lathe is FINALLY going to be coming to life here soon!!
[02:59:24] <roycroft> i hope it doesn't od on candy
[02:59:45] <roycroft> it would suck to have to tell your cnc lathe to run around the block five times so it can settle down enough to be able to do work
[02:59:49] <zeeshan|2> pete yuou're gonna beat me :{
[02:59:53] <zeeshan|2> im working on the rx7
[02:59:57] <PetefromTn_> doubt it
[03:00:07] <PetefromTn_> I am slow as shit with this stuff
[03:00:10] <paulliebenberg> zeeshan, you are in Van?
[03:00:15] <zeeshan|2> no
[03:00:18] <zeeshan|2> ontario
[03:00:23] <zeeshan|2> hamilton
[03:00:33] <paulliebenberg> Nice
[03:00:46] <zeeshan|2> you?
[03:00:47] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: My CNC lathe is lagging yours. I painted some of the patterns the right colour today (red(
[03:00:52] <zeeshan|2> you must be in bc cause youre on shawcable :)
[03:01:06] <paulliebenberg> Vanc Island!
[03:01:21] <zeeshan|2> me and my fiance have been considering moving to bc
[03:01:25] <zeeshan|2> but i dont wanna lose all my friends
[03:01:32] <zeeshan|2> and have to restart making my contacts for customers and stuff
[03:01:35] <zeeshan|2> but boy is that place beautiful.
[03:01:45] <PetefromTn_> andypugh I still gotta finish some painting of the carcass
[03:01:54] <roycroft> as a brit, i'd like your perspective, andypugh
[03:02:13] <roycroft> which is worse: a president getting a blow job from an intern or a prime minister getting a blow job from a dead pig?
[03:02:51] <andypugh> And if Fusion 360 actually took note of the retract height I would have finished another, but it doesn’t see retract height as a hard limit, and I am really pushing the machine envelope, so it stopped half way trhough with a Z limit exception
[03:02:59] <paulliebenberg> It is pretty nice out here. I have a Sis in Ottawa and a cuz in Windsor. Ontario is huge!
[03:03:15] <zeeshan|2> haha ottawa and windsor are like
[03:03:18] <zeeshan|2> 1000km apart
[03:03:27] <zeeshan|2> or 600 miles for you americans :)
[03:03:32] <zeeshan|2> something liekt hat
[03:03:39] <zeeshan|2> 621 miles
[03:04:15] <andypugh> roycroft: It’s wierd being British, we used to be super-important in the world, and haven’t quite got used to beingi rrelevant yet.
[03:04:32] <roycroft> i'm not sure you're irrelevant
[03:04:40] <PetefromTn_> you brits make some damn fine airguns tho....
[03:04:53] <roycroft> but your national electicness is not as globally endearing as it used to be
[03:05:32] <zeeshan|2> where is britian?
[03:05:39] <zeeshan|2> isn't it part of africa
[03:05:46] * zeeshan|2 tried to act american
[03:05:54] <PetefromTn_> you failed
[03:05:56] <zeeshan|2> :D
[03:06:02] <roycroft> i'll let you know when we go to war with britain
[03:06:10] <zeeshan|2> why would you go to war with britian
[03:06:10] <roycroft> war is how usians learn geography
[03:06:11] <zeeshan|2> they got nothing
[03:06:21] <roycroft> why did we go to war with iraq?
[03:06:25] <zeeshan|2> oil
[03:06:27] <zeeshan|2> uk got nothin
[03:06:33] <roycroft> except we didn't take the oil
[03:06:37] <zeeshan|2> lies
[03:06:42] <roycroft> and there's lots of north sea oil
[03:06:56] <PetefromTn_> because I said so
[03:07:19] <andypugh> Even we get confused by exactly what “Great Britain”, “The UK”, “England” , “The British Isles” mean.
[03:07:35] <roycroft> that's easy
[03:07:39] <zeeshan|2> when someone mentions uk
[03:07:42] <zeeshan|2> i think of first my sister
[03:07:48] <roycroft> uk = england, scotland, wales, northern ireland
[03:07:49] <zeeshan|2> then really nice precision levels
[03:07:49] <zeeshan|2> :)
[03:07:55] <roycroft> great britain = england, scotland, wales
[03:08:04] <zeeshan|2> and then concorde, the best thing to come out of uk
[03:08:12] <roycroft> the british isles = great britain, isle of man, ireland
[03:08:23] <PetefromTn_> jag XK
[03:08:35] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: how are rolls royce prospects there for engineering
[03:08:42] <paulliebenberg> nice choccys too.
[03:08:50] <roycroft> although some count orkney, the shetlands, and the hebrides as part of great britain
[03:08:57] <roycroft> others count them as part of the british isles
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[03:09:14] <roycroft> so i guess that part is a bit confusing
[03:09:20] <roycroft> or befuddled at least
[03:09:26] <PetefromTn_> to me it is just where the weird guy Andypugh lives....
[03:09:27] <paulliebenberg> A.d Downton Abbey!
[03:09:35] <zeeshan|2> the guy who sits at his home
[03:09:38] <zeeshan|2> and doesn't give candy/
[03:09:40] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: and Benny Hill
[03:09:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah but poor benny's dead
[03:09:52] <andypugh> (“Great Britain” is purely geographical, it is the biggest island, “The UK” is England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (and the channel islands), and “The British Isles” includes both Great Britain and Ireland, but excludes the Channel Islands. Is that clear? )
[03:09:55] <Jymmm> and Mr Bean
[03:10:10] <PetefromTn_> and Austin Powers
[03:10:17] <zeeshan|2> isnt bond from uk too
[03:10:18] <zeeshan|2> yes he is
[03:10:20] <roycroft> sure
[03:10:21] <zeeshan|2> mi6
[03:10:26] <roycroft> so what about the isle of man?
[03:10:29] <PetefromTn_> Can
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[03:10:37] <roycroft> and what about the orkneys, shetlands, and hebrides/
[03:10:37] <PetefromTn_> Can't wait to see the new one
[03:10:41] <zeeshan|2> isle of man is probably the main reason i want to visit uk
[03:10:43] <roycroft> none of them are channel islands
[03:10:55] <PetefromTn_> Spectre
[03:10:57] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, that's a scheduled date night
[03:10:59] <zeeshan|2> maybe andypugh will let me borrow his bike to ride there :)
[03:11:09] <PetefromTn_> we goin on a date?
[03:11:17] <Tom_itx> not with me you ain't
[03:11:17] <PetefromTn_> ew
[03:11:25] <zeeshan|2> ill go for a date with you guys
[03:11:27] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[03:11:37] <roycroft> you're into three-legged people, zeeshan|2?
[03:11:46] <zeeshan|2> no
[03:11:47] <andypugh> The Isle of Man is special. I am not sure quite where they fit in the Venn diagram :-)
[03:11:50] <zeeshan|2> but im comfortable with my sexuality
[03:12:00] <roycroft> i think it's part of great britain
[03:12:06] <roycroft> but yes, it's a bit of a conundrum
[03:12:07] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan likes other hobbits
[03:12:33] <zeeshan|2> only if they're of the opposite sex :)
[03:12:43] <andypugh> The IoM is well worth a visit. Just enough to see to fill a week, and a very nice place to be
[03:13:03] <PetefromTn_> I would like to see picadilly circus
[03:13:04] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: ive been to so many places in the uk
[03:13:15] <zeeshan|2> guess what is the most memorable place for me?
[03:13:17] <zeeshan|2> dover. lol
[03:13:21] <roycroft> manx is an interesting language
[03:13:26] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Really? Why?
[03:13:36] <PetefromTn_> I dunno its just cool
[03:13:47] <PetefromTn_> plus they filmed American Werewolf in London there
[03:14:00] <andypugh> You know it’s not like a real circus, right?
[03:14:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[03:14:29] <Tom_itx> i saw where they filmed parts of forest gump
[03:14:35] <andypugh> I see it as a traffic bottleneck that used to be in my way on the ride to college....
[03:14:47] <PetefromTn_> you would
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[03:14:55] <roycroft> i've changed planes in heathrow, but that's my only uk experience
[03:15:10] <andypugh> But I guess it is an interesting place if you stop to look
[03:15:13] <roycroft> if i were to visit england and were only able to go to one city/region, i'm not sure where i would go
[03:15:18] <PetefromTn_> never been to europe
[03:15:23] <roycroft> there are so many places i would want to see
[03:15:39] <andypugh> roycroft: That would depend on what you like.
[03:15:53] <Tom_itx> pretty sure i would avoid france
[03:16:06] <roycroft> i like history and modern culture and natural geography and technology
[03:16:14] <andypugh> France is lovely, nearly all of it
[03:16:22] <roycroft> so what i like doesn't narrow it down at all
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[03:16:53] <roycroft> much of the western midlands is national parks
[03:16:59] <roycroft> so that would be appealing
[03:17:04] <Jymmm> roycroft: The parking lot of the intel museum?
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[03:17:38] <roycroft> the thing is
[03:17:49] <roycroft> england is smaller than california, but has 2000+ years of history
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[03:18:14] <roycroft> i think one could drop me anywhere in the country and i'd find a lot of interseting things to do
[03:18:30] <PetefromTn_> Gn8
[03:18:36] <roycroft> ciaoder
[03:18:38] <PetefromTn_> Happy Halloween
[03:18:51] <roycroft> happy samhain eve!
[03:18:52] <PetefromTn_> get some damn candy for the kids
[03:19:09] <Tom_itx> then none will show
[03:19:11] <Jymmm> and dip it in citric acid
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[03:19:23] <roycroft> as should be apparent to most here, i'd rather be dropped in scotland than england
[03:19:27] <roycroft> (no offense)
[03:19:45] <roycroft> but i'd have a great trip no matter where i got dropped
[03:19:56] <roycroft> unless i got dropped too hard and hurt my head
[03:20:20] <andypugh> roycroft: Do a google images search on “Yorkshire Dales”. That’s where I feel happy
[03:20:42] <roycroft> yorkshire would be fun, just because the language is so interseting
[03:21:07] <roycroft> and there are all of those war of the roses sites to fisit
[03:21:08] <roycroft> visit
[03:22:38] <roycroft> the yorkshire dialect retains the distinction between singular and plural pronouns, and drops the definite article much of the time
[03:23:00] <andypugh> It’s where I am from, my parent’s house, built about 1450: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Slaithwaite,+Huddersfield,+West+Yorkshire+HD7+5XA/@53.613537,-1.916872,3a,75y/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1s954803!2e1!3e10!6s%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2Fproxy%2F8c5Hcx_M3W-MS9-Mzl7-d_Pn5Kf7fH3GzfMPbzzUU9JmsHH7Z69j2IOm7fAWBz3QfR70jUXaWhIZpgs9-ShfiwrBTQOHc24%3Dw203-h270!7i1536!8i2048!4m2!3m1!1s0x487bc463fda5f7b7:0x987d1f79610c
[03:23:04] <roycroft> the yorkshire dales look really interesting
[03:23:13] <roycroft> ack
[03:23:18] <roycroft> can you shorten that?
[03:23:48] <andypugh> Not sure how, the new google maps makes it harder
[03:24:03] <roycroft> my client puts a + at the beginning of each new line
[03:24:15] <roycroft> and that's a 5 line url
[03:24:20] <roycroft> i'll try to fix it up
[03:24:30] <andypugh> Indirect, but much shorter: https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/954803
[03:24:38] <Tom_itx> tinyurl screwed it up
[03:25:07] <roycroft> thanks, that's much better :)
[03:25:28] <roycroft> it would be amazing to have grown up in that house
[03:25:31] <andypugh> The local hobby seems to have been piling rocks on top of each other for centuries
[03:26:10] <Tom_itx> very cool though
[03:26:55] <roycroft> do the royal society for putting things on top of other things have a branch office in slaithwaite?
[03:27:17] <andypugh> The same photographer has some very nice pictures, like this ancient unused road: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/955027
[03:28:12] <roycroft> the house i grew up in was built in 1952
[03:28:18] <roycroft> the house i live in now was built in 1972
[03:29:16] <XXCoder> 1976 here
[03:29:22] <XXCoder> well rent house anyway lol
[03:29:29] <XXCoder> which is also my birthday year lol
[03:29:30] <andypugh> My curent house was built in about 1982. It’s waterproof and warm, but that’s about all you can say about it.
[03:30:10] <roycroft> i don't mind living in a fairly modern house
[03:30:25] <roycroft> but i would have to travel very very far to find a structure built around 1450
[03:30:32] <andypugh> anyway, it’s long past time I was asleep if I want to get anything done tomorrow
[03:30:35] <roycroft> or even 1850
[03:30:37] <andypugh> Night all
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[03:57:04] <zeeshan> fak
[03:57:38] <zeeshan> took 1 hr to remove the pomegranate seeds
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[04:00:22] <zeeshan> need to mechanize a spoon beating it
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[04:02:35] <XXCoder> hey
[04:02:40] <XXCoder> beating it lol
[04:04:27] <zeeshan> hows your router working
[04:05:11] <XXCoder> cnc router seems good but still cant cut anything without garage space
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[04:24:47] <XXCoder> whats happening there zeeshan
[04:28:01] <zeeshan> sleeping
[04:28:01] <zeeshan> :D
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[04:28:18] <XXCoder> cool, sleeptalking lol
[04:28:24] <XXCoder> sleepircing rather
[04:28:32] <zeeshan> :)
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[04:38:07] <XXCoder> finally
[04:38:15] <XXCoder> I completely that tutorial part correctly
[04:38:21] <XXCoder> last one was a mess
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[05:04:01] <XXCoder> hah this design was simplier than I thought
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[05:56:26] <XXCoder> wow
[05:56:27] <XXCoder> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1068443
[05:56:30] <XXCoder> pretty cool!
[05:56:41] <XXCoder> I want it.
[05:59:19] <XXCoder> http://hackaday.com/2015/10/28/we-didnt-know-the-sun-could-do-digital/#more-175461
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[06:04:58] <tiwake> huh
[06:05:22] <XXCoder> its digital clock that uses no batteries
[06:05:27] <XXCoder> nor any electrics
[06:05:42] <XXCoder> day only of course but impressive nevertheless
[06:05:43] <tiwake> XXCoder: lol... that comment "1 for day and 0 for night?"
[06:06:04] <XXCoder> oh forgot comments lemm,e look
[06:06:19] <XXCoder> lol
[06:07:03] <XXCoder> it updates per 20 min
[06:07:10] <XXCoder> I wonder if it can be tightened to 10 min
[06:07:15] <XXCoder> way more channels though
[06:07:46] <tiwake> it won't work where I live very well about 1/3 of the time
[06:07:53] <tiwake> overcast, rainy
[06:07:57] <XXCoder> same. cloudy often here
[06:08:09] <XXCoder> except summer when it seems to never have any clouds
[06:08:27] <tiwake> its quite happy to rain whenever here
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[06:28:04] <XXCoder> lol
[06:28:06] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pNhdeFPl60
[06:28:11] <XXCoder> anyone watched it while young?
[06:28:42] <XXCoder> love how it can morph into fast mode
[06:28:45] <renesis> yes, purple hair chick is cute
[06:30:50] <renesis> music sounds like cnc machine demo music
[06:32:13] <renesis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLNvUsTBGyE
[06:32:18] <renesis> feer.
[06:32:39] <XXCoder> love that. also found lineups funny like its being fought on 2d space.
[06:33:17] <renesis> love how the aliens use sub-mini toggle switches for the death blossom panel
[06:33:25] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:34:18] <XXCoder> that the last starfighter movie had a lot of problems, but its still cool as hell,.
[06:34:46] <renesis> atari era shit
[06:35:08] <XXCoder> also, why why why do the chair spin in death bloom?
[06:35:16] <XXCoder> let automated stuff do it.
[06:35:23] <renesis> maybe so he doesnt get sick
[06:35:30] <XXCoder> lol maybe
[06:35:45] <renesis> the ship is spinning but he is totally stationary
[06:36:01] <XXCoder> that would mean axis of spin is center of his chair
[06:36:06] <XXCoder> in all axes
[06:38:13] <XXCoder> heh
[06:38:15] <XXCoder> http://static.gamesradar.com/images/totalfilm/t/twist-again-austin-powers-the-spy-who-shagged-me-1999-.jpg
[06:38:19] <XXCoder> I loved that
[06:38:35] <XXCoder> funny how he bumps and fails because power was still off
[06:44:10] <XXCoder> renesis: https://youtu.be/LGVjoLlgHbM?t=54
[06:49:00] <XXCoder> dang crazy
[06:49:02] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/FXPw-NPtq_4
[06:51:59] <renesis> ha wtffuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[06:56:09] <XXCoder> more videos lol http://kotaku.com/mario-maker-players-are-in-an-arms-race-to-make-the-har-1739431432
[06:58:48] <XXCoder> holy crap that hacked super mario one...
[07:11:20] <anomynous> https://www.quora.com/One-day-a-girl-celebrated-her-birthday-Two-days-later-her-elder-twin-brother-celebrated-his-How-is-this-possible
[07:12:50] <XXCoder> 2 wombs
[07:12:56] <XXCoder> its possible, if rare
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[07:14:26] <XXCoder> interesting read so far
[07:14:34] <anomynous> not an answer here, though, since question says elder celebrater after younger
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[08:31:10] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPyFLr5k0-c&feature=youtu.be
[08:40:14] <XXCoder> anomynous: hmm its clearly time zone trick
[08:40:25] <XXCoder> if elder has later birthdate
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[09:43:23] <Deejay> moin
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[09:45:19] <XXCoder> hey Deejay
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[09:45:41] <anomynous> theres this funny answer who gave 5 different possible reasons
[09:46:43] <anomynous> 1) leap year 2) time zone 3) converted to judaism and uses different calendar 4) is queen of england and celebrates birthday on preset date regradless of real birth day 5) was busy on actual bd
[09:46:45] <anomynous> ;D
[09:47:22] <XXCoder> http://www.pidjin.net/2015/10/22/lets-all-sing/ noooo
[09:47:47] <SpeedEvil> anomynous: simultaneuity
[09:48:33] <anomynous> what does that mean
[09:49:50] <SpeedEvil> anomynous: what the time is at a distance is not well defined.
[09:50:13] <SpeedEvil> That is - exactly when 'now' is on jupiter is not clear if you're on earth
[09:50:30] <anomynous> yet we have time zones
[09:50:43] <SpeedEvil> Time zones do not involve speed-of-light delays
[09:51:13] <anomynous> i dont believe in such theories ;D of course time flows same for everyone. Common sense says so.
[09:52:17] <anomynous> maybe speed of light just isnt a constant ;D its just so fast it looks like a constant. Hmm.
[09:52:19] <anomynous> that must be it
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[09:54:08] <XXCoder> anomynous: it is constant and constant is dermined material light is in.
[09:54:27] <XXCoder> nothings faster than light ibn vacuum, unless we find something new.
[09:54:51] <XXCoder> however light in material can be quite slow.,
[09:55:05] <anomynous> but how can light go backwards. Common sense says it cant.
[09:55:43] <XXCoder> never said anything about negative speed
[09:56:11] <anomynous> negative speed! but if you go backwards you go ahead again and its positive speed!
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[10:18:12] <jthornton> morning
[10:18:25] <XXCoder> hey
[10:27:46] <Deejay> hi
[10:36:41] <anomynous> Good morning, sir jthornton. How are you today?
[10:37:35] <jthornton> I'm dandy, not sure if my surname is sir or not lol
[10:39:10] <jthornton> eww it's raining again... no siding work today
[10:39:19] <anomynous> Unknown command. Use morning help for available commands.
[10:42:26] <XXCoder> lol http://paintraincomic.com/comic/caught-jesters/
[10:45:10] <anomynous> no one wants help these days. duh. i wrote a good list of commands too
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[11:12:08] <jthornton> I know, I've been waiting for help siding my shop all summer
[11:18:45] <XXCoder> send me few thousand bucks and I will help you for 2 days.
[11:18:48] <XXCoder> heh
[11:23:01] <jthornton> dang you charge more than I do
[11:23:32] <XXCoder> its because I would need to buy tool
[11:23:33] <XXCoder> s
[11:24:32] <jthornton> I need to finger out why my sort routine is failing
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[11:38:13] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: what kind of sort?
[11:38:19] <XXCoder> jthornton: er
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[11:43:50] <jthornton> I have a list of entities and need to sort them in order of end points
[11:45:18] <XXCoder> by X or Y pr whatever?
[11:45:33] <jthornton> and if there is no match between end point of one and start point of another then I have to do a reverse match
[11:46:07] <XXCoder> hmm
[11:46:14] <XXCoder> can always use KD tree
[11:46:17] <jthornton> http://pastebin.com/9zMuitYr
[11:46:17] <XXCoder> its amazing really
[11:46:28] <jthornton> that is a list of the end points
[11:46:32] <XXCoder> given a point it can find nearest point to it fast
[11:46:48] <jthornton> I'm coding this in go
[11:47:00] <XXCoder> lemme find library I used
[11:47:29] <jthornton> ok
[11:48:29] <XXCoder> https://github.com/rredford/LdrawToObj/tree/master/KDTreeDLL
[11:49:26] <XXCoder> this is commit where I added code so you can see specifically where I use em https://github.com/rredford/LdrawToObj/commit/6858b2731916347066f0f053d2077e031e6cfe54
[11:50:26] <XXCoder> its pretty darn simple really
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[11:50:55] <XXCoder> look for Vector3.cs that is object you will need
[11:50:59] <anomynous> jthornton, im short on free and you probably live too far away ;D
[11:51:25] <anomynous> jthornton, but if you live close to me i just may
[11:51:26] <anomynous> ;D
[11:51:35] <anomynous> what kind of a shop you have?
[11:52:07] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/shop/machine-shop.xhtml
[11:53:06] <cncbasher> you staying up late JT , or early mornngs
[11:54:13] <jthornton> I'm usually up at 5am
[11:54:28] <jthornton> rarely up after 9pm
[11:56:07] <anomynous> hardinge lathe. Don't they market specifically for hard turning?
[11:56:31] <jthornton> I have no idea
[11:56:47] <anomynous> okay ;D
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[11:57:22] <jthornton> damn spammers are at it again
[12:00:31] <anomynous> aaa you have pygtk and glade tutorial
[12:00:33] <anomynous> ;D
[12:02:22] <cncbasher> yep theirs a few too
[12:03:35] <anomynous> make a python cheat sheet instead of a tutorial. The official tutorial is nice, isn't it? But good cheat sheets can just help you get going without reading too much boring stuff ;D
[12:05:35] <jthornton> you can do that for me
[12:09:35] <anomynous> :]
[12:10:10] <anomynous> i dont need one anymore. i think.
[12:10:22] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/mIgyw
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[12:15:48] <jthornton> hot damn I'm down to one error
[12:21:12] <jthornton> now I have more errors...
[12:23:18] <anomynous> http://imgur.com/gallery/6SfgZBg politically correct
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[12:49:02] <zeeshan> ;that's a pretty cute looking snake
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[13:12:05] <jthornton> finally no errors
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[13:28:51] <jthornton> interesting the start point of a line depends on how you draw it but an arc is always CCW
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[13:29:12] <zeeshan> damn dxf :P
[13:29:31] <jthornton> yea
[13:30:12] <millfist> Hi problem on 5i25 7i76 I did update to 2.8 master and now a error is on hm_5i25.0.pet_watchdog does not exist
[13:30:19] <jthornton> so if it is an arc it is easy for me to switch direction but not so easy for a line
[13:30:46] <jthornton> you need to look in the manual
[13:30:53] <jthornton> things change
[13:31:10] <millfist> jt of linuxcnc or where
[13:31:18] <jthornton> yea linuxcnc
[13:31:23] <millfist> thanks
[13:31:36] <jthornton> IIRC the getting started guide
[13:31:37] <zeeshan> millfist: if you read the update
[13:31:39] <zeeshan> guide
[13:31:42] <zeeshan> it talks about this issue
[13:31:52] <zeeshan> you need to delete the line with pet watchdog
[13:31:54] <zeeshan> its no longer needed
[13:33:14] * jthornton ponders how to tell direction of a profile...
[13:33:18] <Jymmm> https://bigdaddyaddy.com/2015/10/30/high-school-teens-costume-gains-attention-around-the-world/
[13:33:42] <Jymmm> jthornton: <-- THAT WAY -->
[13:34:13] <jthornton> hmm I think I need to determine inside from outside first
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[13:36:36] <millfist> zeeshan thanks
[13:36:50] <zeeshan> np
[13:37:10] <millfist> where is this update guide
[13:39:04] <millfist> Getting started i found it
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[13:43:12] <millfist> Thanks to your help mashine is up and running ;-) Till the next error :-(
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[14:34:50] <Tom_itx> there are a couple other minor changes you may need to make as well
[14:37:35] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, do you cut the same direction every time on the plasma?
[14:37:52] <Tom_itx> otherwise it may depend whether you are conventional or climb cutting
[14:38:03] <SpeedEvil> err
[14:38:17] <SpeedEvil> how can you possibly conventional or climb mill on plasma?
[14:38:22] * SpeedEvil may be confused
[14:38:28] <Tom_itx> different machine sir
[14:38:30] <SpeedEvil> ah
[14:38:31] <SpeedEvil> sorry
[14:38:44] <Tom_itx> dxf2gcode isn't machine specific
[14:39:07] <Tom_itx> but i kinda new it was for his plasma
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[14:42:55] <Tom_itx> happy halloween PetefromTn_
[14:46:57] <PetefromTn_> Hey Tom Happy Halloween to you sir as well ;)
[14:48:15] <JT-Shop> happy All Hallows' Evening to everyone
[14:48:26] <JT-Shop> hey Tom_itx I got it to work finally :)
[14:48:33] <Tom_itx> yay!
[14:49:11] <JT-Shop> yea really YIPPIE!
[14:49:36] <JT-Shop> what plane had YIPPIE painted on the side when it rolled out of the factory door?
[14:50:29] <Tom_itx> P38
[14:50:55] <JT-Shop> dang we are old
[14:51:08] <Tom_itx> true but i didn't know :D
[14:51:14] <Tom_itx> google knows everything
[14:51:35] <JT-Shop> lol
[14:51:49] <JT-Shop> google me a place to store my sky hook
[14:51:58] <Tom_itx> remember.... it's now _what_ you know but who
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[14:57:25] <PetefromTn_> never realized how many fixed toolpost options there are for lathes until I started looking for one hehe
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[16:17:16] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: pic?
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[16:27:35] <malcom2073_> JT-Shop: Router
[16:28:32] <PetefromTn_> thats a good bit of travel for a comparator table
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[16:57:51] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: hey, you happen to know what chemical(s) are typically used for stripping an anodizing off?
[16:59:40] <Jymmm> propane and a exothermic reaction?
[16:59:56] <Jymmm> ...and a ladel
[17:02:53] <PetefromTn_> tiwake you can use the lye etch solution to strip but it is hard on the parts/threads
[17:07:01] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: how hard?
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[17:08:57] <PetefromTn_> well hard enough to make the 8-32 screws I used in a part loose enough to be unusable, had to rethread to 10-32
[17:09:14] <PetefromTn_> and I did not exactly leave it in there that long
[17:09:26] <PetefromTn_> took like five minutes or less to strip everything off
[17:09:49] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: what pete said ^^^
[17:13:47] <tiwake> I could plug the threads I suppose...
[17:15:41] <PetefromTn_> let me know with what you do because I have tried to do that unsuccessfully. I am sure it could be done tho probably some sort of heavy rubber plugs
[17:16:01] <tiwake> Sodium Hydroxide?
[17:16:10] <tiwake> no
[17:16:24] <tiwake> derp, just lye?
[17:20:17] <tiwake> ok yeah, sodium hydroxide
[17:28:50] <ssi> make up your mind! :D
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[17:30:30] <tiwake> ssi: I just found out lye is sodium hydroxide
[17:30:36] <tiwake> which... kind of explains a lot
[17:31:01] <tiwake> strong base
[17:33:07] <tiwake> oh, evidently the lye from ashes is potassium hydroxide
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[18:02:03] <JT-Shop> Jymmm, http://gnipsel.com/images/fuji/
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[18:03:54] <zeeshan> clean machine!
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[18:13:10] <zeeshan> i really dont understand why adobe acrobat reader needs like
[18:13:13] <zeeshan> updates every 2 months
[18:13:18] <zeeshan> its a frigging pdf reader
[18:13:25] <zeeshan> i really feel like its got some silent spyware in it
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[18:15:11] <pcw_home> I hate acrobat, its incredibly bloated for what it does
[18:15:29] <zeeshan> its become a standard though
[18:15:30] <zeeshan> its annoying
[18:15:32] <pcw_home> I use sumatra and its mostly OK
[18:16:16] <pcw_home> it struggles with scanned PDFs but otherwise is pretty decent
[18:17:01] <pcw_home> And dumped acrobat from all windows PCs
[18:18:48] <zeeshan> This is a regular quarterly update that provides security mitigations, feature enhancements, and bug fixes.
[18:18:49] <zeeshan> lol
[18:19:02] <zeeshan> thats the title of their last 30 releases
[18:19:08] <zeeshan> frigging scam im telling you
[18:25:48] <ssi> you know, I haven't had to use acrobat in literally decades
[18:25:57] <ssi> something about not using windows really makes my life better :)
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[18:46:39] <renesis> acrobat on android is prob best pdf reader
[18:46:51] <renesis> shit hurts on desktop
[18:48:10] <fenn> "In Britain and Ireland, the tradition of going house-to-house collecting food at Halloween goes back at least as far as the 16th century, as had the tradition of people wearing costumes at Halloween."
[18:48:30] <fenn> thus i conclude andypugh is a codger
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[18:49:20] <renesis> fuckers should have been at home doing homework and studying
[18:50:00] <SpeedEvil> fenn: It has not existed in the UK in living memory
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[18:51:41] <malcom2073_> fenn: You needed that to come to that conclusion? :P
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[18:58:47] <ssi> pcw_home: I'm reading through the sslbp docs in the 7i77 manual, and I came across "note to the bewildered"
[18:58:58] <ssi> I'm glad you have awareness of how lots of us feel trying to digest this stuff :D
[18:59:34] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: You could make a cnc router from it;
[19:00:07] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Just use spare parts you have on hand, if nothing else, then sell it
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[20:23:50] <JT-Shop> I kinda pondered making a router from it
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[20:25:53] <XXCoder> zeeshan-lab: http://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/free-pdf-reader.html better one for windows.
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[20:28:06] <fenn> mupdf
[20:30:41] <JT-Shop> tried to fill out a pdf form with SumatraPDF and it doesn't have that function
[20:32:33] <XXCoder> yeah still better than abode pdf
[20:32:56] <XXCoder> it depends on needs I suppose
[20:33:00] <JT-Shop> I wonder if any will let you fill out a form
[20:33:19] <XXCoder> think foxit does
[20:33:20] <JT-Shop> not that I do that very often
[20:33:26] <XXCoder> but its not free and has adverts now
[20:33:49] <XXCoder> foxit is getting almost as bad as abode last I tried to use it
[20:34:30] <JT-Shop> thanks for the warning, when I need to I'll use the xp
[20:35:02] <XXCoder> they may have reverted dunno been a while
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[20:47:12] <andypugh> I am definitely a codger, and I am going to feel more like one later, as the neighbours are having a party, but I have to be up at 5am
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[20:48:38] <XXCoder> andypugh: heh
[20:50:30] <fenn> "A proper Hop-tu-Naa lantern will be a hollowed out turnip the size of a man's head, with flickering eyes and jagged mouth illuminated from within by a candle. In older times, children would have also brought the stumps of turnips with them and batter the doors of those who refused to give them any money"
[20:51:04] <JT-Shop> I'm trying to resist looking in the coolant tank of the VMC...
[20:51:57] * JT-Shop had to translate codger to American
[20:52:23] <archivist> owd codger
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[20:54:58] <JT-Shop> I couldn't resist and yep it needs cleaned
[20:56:01] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: I used one pretty much exact same as that at work
[20:56:53] <JT-Shop> the bulb didn't light up when I plugged it in but he element looked ok
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[20:57:36] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: wonder if can change light source to lefd
[20:57:42] <XXCoder> much longer life and better light too
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[20:57:59] <XXCoder> not too sure what properies of light it requires though
[20:58:02] <XXCoder> hey zeeshan
[21:00:28] <JT-Shop> what do you measure on it?
[21:00:43] <XXCoder> typically, radius
[21:01:04] <JT-Shop> the mirrors are neat
[21:01:12] <JT-Shop> it's all apart now lol
[21:01:20] <XXCoder> lol ok
[21:01:41] <XXCoder> sometimes its also used to check sizes where tools cant
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[21:05:59] * archivist wants JT-Shop's fuji toy
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[21:07:56] <JT-Shop> you can have it
[21:08:20] <archivist> cannot afford the shipping.....grrrr
[21:08:26] <archivist> :)
[21:10:02] <archivist> JT-Shop, I make do with a modified citizen http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=citizen+PD
[21:10:57] <archivist> the original optics were dead
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[21:13:25] <zeeshan> hi
[21:13:29] <zeeshan> mikron is back in action
[21:13:59] <zeeshan> boy finding 6mm od 1mm thickness nylon6/6 tubing was a pain to find.
[21:14:37] <XXCoder> fun
[21:17:18] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: Somewhere I have a reel of 50m of that
[21:17:25] <zeeshan> it has to be nylon6/6
[21:17:30] <zeeshan> gotta hold 70bar
[21:17:58] <zeeshan> regular nylon can only hold 25 bar or so
[21:18:22] <XXCoder> archivist: did you cut off calipier to make that?
[21:18:34] <XXCoder> because it looks exactly like my chinese special
[21:18:46] <XXCoder> only no calipier stuff end
[21:19:01] <archivist> XXCoder, no, they are avalable like that for mounting on machines
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[21:19:11] <XXCoder> oh thats cool
[21:19:36] <JT-Shop> I need to get it off the pallet and get some floor back
[21:19:49] <zeeshan> gime it! :P
[21:20:08] <archivist> XXCoder, like http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/750mm-30-Horizontal-Digital-Scale-/260812752228
[21:22:21] <archivist> mine is the 6" cheap size
[21:29:58] <zeeshan> almsot trick or treating time!
[21:30:03] <zeeshan> so much candy to give away
[21:30:08] <XXCoder> lol
[21:30:20] <zeeshan> we went a little overboard this year on candy
[21:30:20] <zeeshan> haha
[21:30:24] <zeeshan> spend 200 bux on candy
[21:30:45] <zeeshan> we're planning to give the kids who made a serious effort the big bars
[21:30:54] <zeeshan> and the silly ones the generic candy ;P
[21:31:16] <XXCoder> did you remember to bring gold bars for trump kids?
[21:31:22] <zeeshan> rofl
[21:32:12] <PetefromTn_> HOLY CRAP!!!
[21:32:19] <PetefromTn_> $200 in candy???
[21:32:29] <zeeshan> yea dude
[21:32:34] <zeeshan> it doesnt take much to get there tbh
[21:32:41] <zeeshan> if you get 24 pack of turtles fo rexample
[21:32:41] <PetefromTn_> I mean don't get me wrong I applaud your enthusiasm
[21:32:44] <JT-Shop> kids won't come up to my house lol
[21:32:46] <zeeshan> thats already 48 bux
[21:33:00] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i love halloween! :D
[21:33:00] <XXCoder> kids dont come in here ether, the statues eat kids
[21:33:06] <PetefromTn_> I spent like $40 and have like two huge barrels full
[21:33:08] <archivist> I managed to be out tonight!
[21:33:18] <zeeshan> how is it there archivist
[21:33:39] <JT-Shop> I used to run the neighborhood twice and some caught on so I'd change my costume for the second round
[21:33:43] <archivist> getting sillier each year
[21:33:48] <JT-Shop> and skip the cheap ones lol
[21:36:01] <PetefromTn_> we usually take the kids around to some local houses so they can actually do some trick or treating. Then we give away the candy and eat all the stuff we bought here at home LOL
[21:38:47] <zeeshan> jesus
[21:38:53] <zeeshan> couple 12-14 year olds came
[21:38:57] <zeeshan> dressed like complete skanks
[21:38:59] <zeeshan> ;/
[21:39:30] <zeeshan> lol jt
[21:39:32] <zeeshan> cheapass!
[21:39:36] <zeeshan> double trick or treating
[21:40:14] <MrSunshine> hmm how to distribute glue evenly over a surface without alot of cleanup .. (i can only do one bent lamination at a time with like 30min - 1h interval .. so a glue roller i dont know would be the thing for me
[21:40:56] <PetefromTn_> some of those small paint rollers?
[21:41:07] <PetefromTn_> spray gun?
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[21:42:43] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: how fst were you engraving
[21:42:44] <zeeshan> those logos btw
[21:42:47] <zeeshan> i forgot what you said
[21:42:57] <zeeshan> i owe this wood customer
[21:43:02] <zeeshan> 100 stainless plates w/ engraving
[21:43:05] <zeeshan> i wanna get em done fast.
[21:43:19] <PetefromTn_> not terribly fast LOL
[21:43:28] <PetefromTn_> my spindle only goes to 6k
[21:43:35] <PetefromTn_> so I ran like 5k
[21:43:39] <PetefromTn_> .030 deep
[21:43:39] <zeeshan> im got it set at .001 ipr
[21:43:41] <zeeshan> and 3000 rpm
[21:43:53] <PetefromTn_> and 10IPM I think it was
[21:43:57] <zeeshan> but only .015 deep
[21:44:09] <zeeshan> its stainless...
[21:44:13] <JT-Shop> what kind of bits are you using on stainless?
[21:44:16] <PetefromTn_> sounds slower than it actually was
[21:44:18] <zeeshan> carbide
[21:44:34] <zeeshan> 30 degree, 0.010 tip
[21:44:37] <PetefromTn_> these are carbide single point .020 tip
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[21:50:26] <MrSunshine> can you dampen the wood surfaces before adding yellow/white glue to get it to spread easier ?
[21:51:03] <PetefromTn_> if you are using elmers wood glue you can thin it slightly with water
[21:52:26] <PetefromTn_> my wife is pissed because she can't figure a way to make a broom for her witch costume and we are about out of time LOL
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[21:53:59] <zeeshan> use some 6061
[21:54:04] <zeeshan> and some aluminum shavings
[21:54:05] <zeeshan> !!
[21:54:06] <zeeshan> :D
[21:54:17] <PetefromTn_> hehe I have some 3/4 rod out there
[21:54:24] <PetefromTn_> but I figured it would be too heavy
[21:54:26] <zeeshan> that'd actually look cool i think
[21:54:30] <zeeshan> with the aluminum shavings
[21:54:32] <zeeshan> shiny
[21:54:36] <zeeshan> witch w/ some bling!
[21:54:46] <PetefromTn_> not happenin
[21:54:50] <zeeshan> lol
[21:57:44] <MrSunshine> PetefromTn_: casco atm
[21:58:02] <MrSunshine> tried thinning it and it seems to work .. but the plywood just soaks water so damn fast
[21:58:53] <MrSunshine> PetefromTn_: just run out and grab some branches and tie them to a stick ? =)
[22:01:11] <MrSunshine> i think its a pva glue .. seems people have been thinning it atleast but it might decrease some streght and stuff
[22:01:29] <MrSunshine> as long as the lamination just doesnt delaminate im happy, no load bearing stuff realy
[22:07:17] <MrSunshine> as water is the thinner from the start i guess it shouldnt do to much harm atleast =)
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[22:09:20] * JT-Shop thinks he will try the new coolant
[22:09:27] <JT-Shop> super brand
[22:09:41] <zeeshan> ever heard of qualichem?
[22:09:47] <JT-Shop> no
[22:10:01] <zeeshan> my friends left it on his machine for 3 months
[22:10:06] <zeeshan> and it didnt rust
[22:10:47] <JT-Shop> I don't have rust with my current coolant but I get floating colonies of white stuff lol
[22:11:03] <zeeshan> haha
[22:11:03] <JT-Shop> and it changes color after a while from blue to drab green
[22:11:07] <zeeshan> damn bacteria
[22:11:58] <JT-Shop> even in the bucket after a while it changes color lol
[22:14:12] <zeeshan> must be vegetable oil derieved
[22:14:16] <zeeshan> what is the brand?
[22:14:40] <zeeshan> jt give me some advice
[22:14:47] <zeeshan> i got a plan on doing this machining a certain way
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[22:16:00] <JT-Shop> ever since I started collecting CNC machines I've used Val Cool VP Tech
[22:16:11] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ZWeK56Q.png
[22:16:14] <zeeshan> .1094 thick
[22:16:23] <zeeshan> i gotta do 2 dinky little dimples in em
[22:16:26] <zeeshan> ss304
[22:16:50] <zeeshan> im thinking of putting on a set of soft jaws and holding 6 of em
[22:17:02] <zeeshan> since my jaws are 6" wide and these are .75" wide
[22:17:14] <zeeshan> actually that aint gonna work
[22:17:26] <JT-Shop> are you machining the whole part?
[22:17:34] <JT-Shop> brb water boy time
[22:19:24] <zeeshan> no
[22:19:25] <zeeshan> just the 2 dimples
[22:20:13] <PetefromTn_> MrSunshine actually I went to the dollar store and bought her a cinammon broom and cut off one of my old yard tools with a wooden handle for the stick
[22:20:51] <MrSunshine> noble of you to cut of a tool =) should atleast get you layed tonight ;)
[22:21:07] <PetefromTn_> one can only hope ;)
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[22:21:52] <MrSunshine> a man offering a tool is like cutting of a finger for her!
[22:23:29] <JT-Shop> I don't see the dimples
[22:23:38] <zeeshan> the pockets
[22:23:40] <zeeshan> the circular pockets
[22:23:49] <PetefromTn_> its not that dramatic.... it was an old weird hoop shaped hoe that was here in the house when we bought it
[22:23:50] <Wolf_> counter bores
[22:23:55] <zeeshan> no
[22:23:57] <zeeshan> they're circular pockets
[22:24:03] <zeeshan> if it was counter bores, id call em counter bores
[22:24:07] * zeeshan lays down the smack
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[22:24:15] <zeeshan> :D
[22:24:23] <PetefromTn_> look like counterbores to me
[22:24:24] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: i let my friend dongs know how you felt about him
[22:24:27] <zeeshan> they arent
[22:24:31] <zeeshan> the're chamfered on the other hand
[22:24:41] <zeeshan> counter bores are a circular pocket with a cylindrical hole
[22:24:43] <zeeshan> :)
[22:24:54] <zeeshan> cause if you look at it from the other side, you might call it a countersink then!
[22:25:00] <PetefromTn_> maybe I am looking at a different drawing than you are?
[22:25:44] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ifjG6wl.png
[22:25:51] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/0M2SG2w.png
[22:26:12] <PetefromTn_> counterbore from one side countersunk from the other
[22:27:19] <JT-Shop> yea soft jaws would be good
[22:27:35] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/U5bkbsB.png
[22:27:47] <zeeshan> the centerline is the seperation of the jaws
[22:27:51] <zeeshan> thats how i was imagining it
[22:27:59] <zeeshan> just wondering if theres a faster way to do 100 of em
[22:28:00] <andypugh> MrSunshine: I spread glue with a body-filler spreader when laminating MDF.
[22:28:15] <MrSunshine> the soft ones ?
[22:28:36] <andypugh> Well, actually I use some metal ones, but I think the pastic onees would work too.
[22:28:40] <MrSunshine> used a plywood spattle now as i get so frekkin much plywood that goes to waste in the cnc machine =)
[22:28:44] <PetefromTn_> parts are already cut out you are just drilling and counterboring them?
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[22:32:12] <Sync> zeeshan: glue them down with CA?
[22:32:17] <zeeshan> no
[22:32:20] <zeeshan> thats not quicker!
[22:32:37] <Sync> well, if you can make pallets of 50 or so
[22:32:41] <Deejay> gn8
[22:32:45] <Sync> you only need to glue 2 times
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[22:38:16] <JT-Shop> zeeshan, more than 2 parts at a time can be dicey if they are not exactly the same size
[22:38:28] <zeeshan> hm
[22:38:45] <zeeshan> they were cut on a laser
[22:38:50] <zeeshan> that holds 2 thou
[22:38:55] <JT-Shop> that's why they make those vises with hyd fingers
[22:39:11] <JT-Shop> bet some fly out unless you clamp them down
[22:39:36] <JT-Shop> or make your cutouts so the tops are captured
[22:40:33] <zeeshan> ill do the pry test
[22:40:37] <zeeshan> its not a lot of cutting force
[22:40:45] <zeeshan> that is going to be pulling em up
[22:40:54] <zeeshan> too bad they are a retarded size of .2"
[22:41:03] <zeeshan> so i cant go straight down with a .25"
[22:41:05] <zeeshan> end mill
[22:41:10] <JT-Shop> that's good but they can move around and chatter
[22:42:02] <JT-Shop> you could get 4 per if you put a balance between each pair to hold them tight
[22:42:22] <JT-Shop> balance bar
[22:42:41] <JT-Shop> 5mm is close to .2
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[22:44:28] * JT-Shop goes for another bucket of H2O
[22:44:33] <zeeshan> heh
[22:44:34] <zeeshan> he
[22:46:56] <Tom_itx> that chatter could pop your EM
[22:47:06] <zeeshan> try n see
[22:47:08] <zeeshan> no balance bar here
[22:47:08] <zeeshan> =/
[22:47:49] <Tom_itx> what process do you have to do to them?
[22:48:09] <Tom_itx> drill recess and countersink?
[22:50:40] <Tom_itx> hah.. you need a single point cutter to do the 'pocket' from the top side then you can countersink and not have to flip the part
[22:50:50] <Tom_itx> treat it like a recess tool on a lathe
[22:51:08] <Tom_itx> you'd need a waste plate under it
[22:55:40] <Tom_itx> or something like this: http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mLROcCg9-66OBH_3NpNRJ1w.jpg
[22:55:53] <PetefromTn_> I use cut paper when I nest several parts in sacrificial jaws
[22:56:09] <Tom_itx> then you won't have to flip the part
[22:56:55] <Tom_itx> if you can find one small enough
[22:57:20] <Tom_itx> and the step isn't too deep ( wide )
[22:58:57] * JT-Shop just has to flush the pump and lines and the coolant is done :)
[23:00:24] <Tom_itx> hah ran into my machinist buddy at sam's today
[23:02:20] <jdh> http://i.imgur.com/qQmgtpl.png
[23:06:15] <JT-Shop> lol, I see that all the time
[23:06:47] * JT-Shop wanders inside to make some pizza
[23:07:12] * Tom_itx is having pizza atm
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