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[00:10:11] <PetefromTn_> running these YG1 V7 coated carbides thru this A36 plate full slot for the profile
[00:11:16] <PetefromTn_> right now about 3600RPM and 15IPM at .1833 DOC.... cuts look great but I am getting some squealing that I don't like. Gotta make a bunch of these plates so concerned about cutter wear
[00:11:37] <Tom_itx> 3600 might be a little fast
[00:11:46] <Tom_itx> for steel
[00:12:10] <PetefromTn_> that zero divide calculator I have been using says to run 5k at 28 LOL
[00:12:20] <Tom_itx> hmm
[00:12:27] <Tom_itx> it's usually pretty good
[00:12:59] <PetefromTn_> that is only .0013 IPT
[00:13:01] <Tom_itx> what ipt does that give you?
[00:13:34] <PetefromTn_> 3600 at 19 is the same .00138 IPT
[00:13:35] <Tom_itx> so what gives you the .0013 ipt at 3600?
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[00:13:40] <Tom_itx> mmm
[00:13:59] <_methods> ayeah sounds like you're running too slow
[00:13:59] <Tom_itx> is 19 too fast for your machine?
[00:14:06] <PetefromTn_> cuts look great but it starts to squeal a bit when in the middle
[00:14:06] <_methods> depth of cut?
[00:14:17] <PetefromTn_> .1833
[00:14:25] <_methods> it's a full width slot?
[00:14:25] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx what do you mean?
[00:14:30] <Tom_itx> doesn't sound too deep to me
[00:14:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah full slot
[00:14:46] <PetefromTn_> 3 passes down past .5"
[00:14:49] <_methods> well better safe on full slot
[00:14:54] <Tom_itx> how does 19ipm load your machine?
[00:15:01] <_methods> i'd take it slow then like you are
[00:15:05] <Tom_itx> if you have the hp, try it
[00:15:26] <PetefromTn_> I tried to run faster feed but it did not seem to help and I slowed the speed and it still squealed a bit
[00:15:27] <Tom_itx> how are the chips coming off?
[00:15:40] <Tom_itx> dry or coolant?
[00:15:42] <PetefromTn_> lookin a bit blue/dark blue
[00:15:44] <PetefromTn_> full flood
[00:15:47] <Tom_itx> that's normal
[00:15:53] <Tom_itx> carbide likes heat
[00:15:59] <PetefromTn_> some get a touch brownish
[00:16:16] <PetefromTn_> machine does not seem to mind any of it
[00:16:42] <PetefromTn_> I could go a lot faster or slower just trying to optimize
[00:16:56] <Tom_itx> cutter diameter?
[00:17:12] <PetefromTn_> .375
[00:18:32] <_methods> are you rampin in or plunging to depth?
[00:18:49] <PetefromTn_> neither
[00:18:53] <PetefromTn_> coming in from outside
[00:19:00] <Tom_itx> how hard is that steel?
[00:19:03] <Tom_itx> br
[00:19:08] <PetefromTn_> A36
[00:19:08] <_methods> how do you do that in a slot lol
[00:19:27] <PetefromTn_> well its the outside profile cut
[00:19:35] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Have you tried fswizard?
[00:19:45] <PetefromTn_> material is just slightly larger
[00:19:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[00:20:25] <andypugh> I normally find it OK for me, once I turn the speed right down to suit my machine
[00:20:50] <andypugh> (my machine is stiff for the size, but a very slow spindle)
[00:20:55] <Tom_itx> i'd try a slower rpm keeping the ipt cut
[00:20:58] <Tom_itx> see what that does
[00:21:37] <PetefromTn_> okay I think I am at least close tho
[00:21:48] <Tom_itx> sounds like it
[00:21:54] <PetefromTn_> just don't like the squealing
[00:21:59] <Tom_itx> try 3k once and see
[00:22:19] <PetefromTn_> i have four more to finish tonight
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[00:23:57] <Tom_L> http://www.emastercam.com/board/topic/63821-a36-steel-machining/
[00:24:05] <Tom_itx> that's what they say about it
[00:24:15] <Tom_L> .007
[00:24:20] <Tom_L> ipr
[00:24:27] <andypugh> Somone has found an intersting way to game eBay. He’s auctioning a list of parts for sale. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bridgeport-interact-308-auto-changer-milling-machine-and-manual-mil-machine-list/121792059520?_trksid=p5713.c100282.m3503&_trkparms=aid%3D333008%26algo%3DRIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33412%26meid%3Dede703ab7e0a4e41b5cf1afd8d958471%26pid%3D100282%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D331681462531
[00:25:19] <Tom_L> .375 4-flute Onsrud EM, 400SFM, 4080rpm, 51.0ipm, .003fpt
[00:25:30] <PetefromTn_> whats IPM?
[00:25:37] <Tom_L> inch per min
[00:25:51] <PetefromTn_> hard to say if that is full slot doubt it
[00:25:57] <CaptHindsight> idiots per Monday
[00:26:03] <Tom_L> sounds like you're not pushing it enough
[00:26:04] <Tom_L> maybe
[00:26:45] <XXCoder> jeez
[00:26:58] <Tom_itx> i've been out of production too long to pull it outta my head
[00:27:11] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/mrsme5g
[00:27:56] <_methods> where's the slot?
[00:27:57] <Tom_L> you don't like the finish, is that it?
[00:28:15] <PetefromTn_> finish is fine. the slot is all the way around
[00:28:25] <_methods> ahhh
[00:28:51] <_methods> is it screaming once you get almost through?
[00:28:52] <Tom_L> the hole?
[00:29:01] <_methods> or all the time when youre in the cut
[00:29:15] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/NNElMsN
[00:29:31] <PetefromTn_> mostly screams in the middle area on the outside profile
[00:29:51] <Tom_L> maybe it's lifting the edge and making noise
[00:29:53] <_methods> how are you clamping?
[00:29:59] <Tom_L> are you clamping the excess?
[00:30:09] <PetefromTn_> no excess falls away
[00:30:10] <Tom_L> that would cause it too
[00:30:14] <_methods> yeah
[00:30:23] <PetefromTn_> clamping with four 3/8-16 SHCS in the small holes
[00:30:24] <Tom_L> do you have room to clamp it?
[00:30:31] <Tom_L> i'd try that once
[00:30:36] <Tom_L> i see that
[00:30:51] <Tom_L> plug your ears
[00:30:55] <Tom_L> let it sing to you
[00:30:56] <PetefromTn_> using countersunk head shcs to center the holes
[00:31:05] <PetefromTn_> its not terrible
[00:31:15] <PetefromTn_> I just don't have a bunch of extra endmills here
[00:31:19] <PetefromTn_> for this run
[00:31:26] <PetefromTn_> and I was concerned about cutter life
[00:31:37] <Tom_L> we used to get squealing cutters all the time but we were using long cutters in deep pockets
[00:31:38] <PetefromTn_> finish in the slots and exterior looks pretty good really
[00:32:00] <Tom_L> what's the cutter look like?
[00:32:09] <PetefromTn_> like a cutter ;)
[00:32:14] <Tom_L> not dulling?
[00:32:27] <Tom_L> bump up the ipt a little bit
[00:32:29] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: ebay tends to take down auctions like that since ebay doesn't get a cut of the sale
[00:32:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah the first one or two dulled after awhile
[00:32:47] <_methods> you're going to get vibration clamping like that
[00:32:53] <_methods> nature of the beast
[00:32:56] <PetefromTn_> why?
[00:32:59] <Tom_L> PetefromTn_, you said carbide right?
[00:33:10] <PetefromTn_> YG1 V7 Tialn coated carbide
[00:33:12] <_methods> because you cant hold all that center area
[00:33:14] <CaptHindsight> I guess you might argue that he was only asking for potential buyers to contact him about what parts they are interested in
[00:33:17] <Tom_L> mmm
[00:33:20] <_methods> if you put a top plate on it would help
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[00:33:32] <_methods> through those big holes too
[00:33:32] <PetefromTn_> that is doable
[00:33:38] <CaptHindsight> so he could list them as separate auctions
[00:33:40] <_methods> then you could apply some downard pressure
[00:33:45] <PetefromTn_> drill and tap holes center block down with plate
[00:33:59] <Tom_L> those bolts should be holding it down ok though
[00:34:10] <PetefromTn_> It is not going anywhere as it is..
[00:34:12] <Tom_L> i suppose the center could be vibrating
[00:34:15] <PetefromTn_> but there may be some vibes
[00:34:16] <_methods> yeah it will hold it fine for machining but it will vibrate
[00:34:26] <_methods> and cause premature tool wear
[00:34:41] <Tom_L> profile with a .500 cutter
[00:34:51] <PetefromTn_> looking at those plates pics how many would you say I should get from a 3/8 cutter?
[00:34:56] <Tom_L> all of em
[00:35:08] <PetefromTn_> 10?
[00:35:14] <Tom_L> at least
[00:35:22] <PetefromTn_> not so far LOL
[00:35:28] <_methods> that's a lot of linear machining for a solid carbide mill
[00:35:36] <_methods> you have any inserted cutters?
[00:35:57] <_methods> for an outside profile like that i try to use larger insert cutters
[00:36:00] <PetefromTn_> they really should be cut from a laser cutter but I got the job and don't have one LOL
[00:36:00] <_methods> and just wipe it all out
[00:36:08] <Tom_L> how many cutter did it take to get those 5?
[00:36:14] <PetefromTn_> 1
[00:36:19] <Tom_L> still good?
[00:36:22] <PetefromTn_> but I got more to do
[00:36:28] <Tom_L> how many more?
[00:36:32] <PetefromTn_> no swapped out halfway
[00:36:40] <PetefromTn_> using a new cutter now
[00:36:48] <PetefromTn_> hoping to get the rest of the way thru
[00:36:52] <Tom_L> try bolting the holes with a washer like he said
[00:37:01] <Tom_L> i don't think that's gonna help that much
[00:37:09] <PetefromTn_> keep in mind the first side milling was drilled then pocketed with the same cutter
[00:37:18] <Tom_L> check the old cutter under magnification
[00:38:02] <Tom_L> did you sand those edges?
[00:38:33] <PetefromTn_> no
[00:38:43] <PetefromTn_> 3m scotchbrite wheel
[00:39:01] <Tom_L> well they looked like you did _something_ to them
[00:39:19] <PetefromTn_> just the corner to knock the sharp off
[00:39:28] <Tom_L> right
[00:40:24] <Tom_L> how thick is that plate?
[00:40:31] <Tom_L> hard to tell from a pic
[00:40:50] <PetefromTn_> .5
[00:41:00] <Tom_L> so 4 passes?
[00:41:05] <Tom_L> 3 at best
[00:41:50] <PetefromTn_> 3 passes plus offset finish pass .01
[00:42:01] <_methods> that poor endmill lol
[00:42:19] <_methods> workin it's ass off lol
[00:43:11] <PetefromTn_> heh yeah it is
[00:43:42] <PetefromTn_> thats what they are for right!!
[00:43:47] <_methods> damn right
[00:44:28] <PetefromTn_> ooh 3100 sounds nice
[00:44:41] <Tom_L> i'd keep the same ipt
[00:44:46] <Tom_L> just lower rpm
[00:45:00] <PetefromTn_> that'd be like 10IPM
[00:45:06] <Tom_L> that'll push the cutter a bit more
[00:45:24] <Tom_L> or increase it like they did in the forum i posted
[00:45:53] <Tom_L> it's hard to give advice on a noise you can't hear
[00:46:22] <_methods> feedrate/spindle override to the rescue hehe
[00:46:55] <Tom_L> you need a feedrate widget on the side of your axis
[00:47:02] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah man
[00:47:08] <Tom_L> put one there
[00:48:13] <Tom_L> mmm i thought i added one but i guess not
[00:48:16] <Tom_L> just cycle times
[00:48:27] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshot.png
[00:48:37] <PetefromTn_> welp 3 more to go!
[00:48:46] <Tom_L> doin better?
[00:49:06] <Tom_L> you went to 3.1k and slowed the feed too?
[00:49:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah 3100 sound much better
[00:49:32] <PetefromTn_> no well yeah just slightly
[00:49:37] <PetefromTn_> 14IPM
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[00:50:01] <Tom_L> i think generally speaking you run the feeds up and rpm down on steel, ti etc
[00:50:23] <PetefromTn_> well yeah
[00:50:29] <PetefromTn_> I have cuts lots of steel
[00:50:29] <Tom_L> constant feeds on ti and ss so it doesn't work harden
[00:50:36] <PetefromTn_> just have not had this squealing like that
[00:50:50] <Tom_L> we mostly ran aluminum
[00:51:02] <Tom_L> had _some_ steel parts
[00:51:09] <Tom_L> ti
[00:51:15] <PetefromTn_> I MOSTLY machine aluminum here LOVE that shit LOL
[00:51:24] <Tom_L> a couple parts were tungsten
[00:51:27] <PetefromTn_> cuts like butter
[00:51:30] <Tom_L> those were a bitch
[00:51:50] <_methods> tungsten will work harden if you fart near it
[00:51:50] <XXCoder> bheh wish more jobs was alum herebut no its mostly hard metals or "other"
[00:52:07] <Tom_L> every time the cutter entered the material you thought the block was gonna shatter
[00:52:41] <Tom_L> these were like 2.5" x 5 x 8 or so blocks
[00:52:58] <PetefromTn_> never machined tungsten
[00:52:58] <Tom_L> you had to be careful lifting them
[00:52:58] <_methods> dats a chunk
[00:53:02] <Tom_L> from the pallet
[00:53:05] <PetefromTn_> machined about everything else
[00:53:14] <Tom_L> never try it if you're smart
[00:53:18] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: seen videos on those? amazing.
[00:53:22] <PetefromTn_> copper,brass, ally, steel, stainless, ti
[00:53:27] <XXCoder> it cant be cooled by coolant or anytjhing
[00:53:27] <Tom_L> these were wing ballast for some plane
[00:53:33] <_methods> hastelloy and waspalloy are absolutely miserable too
[00:53:48] <PetefromTn_> we hard milled some inconel once
[00:53:49] <Tom_L> i was looking at my old iges & cad stuff and found the parts last night
[00:53:51] <PetefromTn_> ceramics
[00:54:14] <PetefromTn_> finish on sides looks good no?
[00:54:54] <Tom_L> i'll post a pic of the models
[00:54:58] <_methods> yeah we do a fair abount of inconel
[00:55:09] <PetefromTn_> that shit is HEAVY
[00:55:09] <XXCoder> lots inconel here
[00:55:15] <_methods> wire drawing plant next door uses it alot in there furnace
[00:55:22] <XXCoder> inconel eats tools.
[00:55:33] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1K5QjR3hyU
[00:55:48] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah 3100 at 14 is the shiznit ;)
[00:55:50] <malcom2073_> Inconel milling looks amazingly awesome
[00:55:52] <malcom2073_> Wouodn't wanna do it
[00:56:09] <XXCoder> its doing rough cut, more clean I suppose uses regular tools that will wear very fast
[00:56:41] <XXCoder> zee said if it ghas coolant spraying on it it will explode
[00:56:53] <XXCoder> special cermitic tools
[00:57:02] <XXCoder> those tools get harder with heat
[00:58:53] <PetefromTn_> really shoulda bought a coated carbide ball for these tapered wall pockets
[00:59:02] <PetefromTn_> my HSS ball is NOT liking it LOL
[00:59:15] <XXCoder> heh
[00:59:51] <XXCoder> inconel milling with cerminic tool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO1PyDOHq2A
[01:00:41] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/ballast1.jpg
[01:00:45] <Tom_L> most of those were lead
[01:00:50] <XXCoder> lol smiley face
[01:00:58] <Tom_L> a couple were tungsten
[01:01:05] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/ballast2.jpg
[01:01:33] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-8-YG-1-V7-MILL-INOX-4-FLUTE-REGULAR-LENGTH-CARBIDE-END-MILL-QTY-5-/121010555435?hash=item1c2cca8a2b:g:UTUAAOSwGvhTz7IJ good deal
[01:01:59] <Tom_L> yeah if they're good quality
[01:02:06] <PetefromTn_> I like em
[01:02:15] <PetefromTn_> the shops here use them a lot
[01:02:25] <PetefromTn_> they're pretty cheap for what you are getting
[01:02:36] <PetefromTn_> thats what is cutting my parts now too LOL
[01:03:22] <XXCoder> interesting part https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o12cYQvpwbU (it has boring ad intro)
[01:07:32] <Tom_L> coolant would probably shatter those
[01:07:41] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:09:35] <Tom_L> i used to have a couple of those fins around here somewhere
[01:09:51] <Tom_L> that were rejects from something.. not even sure where they came from
[01:10:30] <XXCoder> wonder if it works great on stainless too
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[01:13:43] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/sample.png
[01:13:48] <Tom_L> hah, i forgot that was up there
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[01:14:54] <XXCoder> nice and complex lol
[01:17:14] <andypugh> You can do hard turning on nearly any lathe, but you need a good mill to do it, I reckon.
[01:18:08] <XXCoder> can always put tool on spindle and part held on tool head
[01:18:37] <XXCoder> but yeah
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[01:21:40] <PetefromTn_> two more to go! ;)
[01:22:13] <PetefromTn_> I like watchin' Star Trek while I machine parts at home with the family :D
[01:22:44] <PetefromTn_> Dacia's Makin' Brownies....Life is GOOD!!
[01:23:04] <Tom_L> heh
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[01:43:39] * zeeshan|2 remembers why he doesnt let people borrow things
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[01:43:53] <zeeshan|2> i let my friend borrow my plasma torch
[01:43:57] <zeeshan|2> and now i plug it in, and it doesnt work
[01:43:58] <zeeshan|2> hm
[01:48:31] <zeeshan|2> that inconel is getting owned by that insert
[01:49:35] <XXCoder> link I posted? yeah
[01:49:37] <zeeshan|2> yes
[01:49:51] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: you machining those stainless flanges
[01:49:52] <zeeshan|2> ?
[01:54:18] <Praesmeodymium> under most englich based legal systems common law lending someone a tool forms a commodate (word I had to look up to find) and the user is responsible to return it in the same condition
[01:54:46] <Praesmeodymium> the things you learn watching judge judy
[01:55:50] <Tom_itx> puts a strain on friendship either way it turns out
[01:56:11] <Praesmeodymium> yeah
[01:56:43] <Wolf_> whats annoying is when they don’t tell you they broke it or it stopped working
[01:57:09] <Praesmeodymium> well they dont want to be on the hook for the item they couldnt afford in the first place thus the needing to borrow it
[01:58:27] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 Yeah mild steel flanges
[01:58:32] <PetefromTn_> almost done
[01:58:35] <zeeshan|2> nice
[01:58:46] <PetefromTn_> do they look okay to you?
[01:58:52] <zeeshan|2> i didnt see the pic?
[01:58:59] <PetefromTn_> ah
[01:59:17] <XXCoder> I always try to return items I borrow BETTER than it was before
[01:59:31] <zeeshan|2> where is it
[01:59:32] <PetefromTn_> http://petefromtn.imgur.com/all/
[01:59:37] <PetefromTn_> oops
[01:59:41] <XXCoder> I dont understand people who think its fine to break borrowed thing and return like its nothing
[01:59:49] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/pOCO19I.jpg
[01:59:53] <zeeshan|2> whos the blond? :)
[02:00:00] <zeeshan|2> dude that looks nice!!
[02:00:05] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/mrsme5g.jpg
[02:00:08] <Wolf_> plasma cutters are a pain in the ass tho, can be small simple things that keep it from working
[02:00:12] <PetefromTn_> blond?
[02:00:18] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: yea on your first link
[02:00:22] <zeeshan|2> can see all your pics :P
[02:00:41] <PetefromTn_> Oh that's my wife Dacia
[02:00:56] <zeeshan|2> you got a good looking wife
[02:00:57] <zeeshan|2> :)
[02:01:04] <PetefromTn_> hehe thanks
[02:01:09] <zeeshan|2> i guess that 45 degree insert works really well eh?
[02:01:18] <zeeshan|2> mirror like finish
[02:01:28] <zeeshan|2> howd you engrave that btw?
[02:01:32] <PetefromTn_> well I really did not get too scientific with it but it looks okay
[02:02:06] <PetefromTn_> engraving is with single flute carbide engraver .020 tip .030 deep 10IPM 5500RPM I think
[02:02:21] <zeeshan|2> looks great
[02:02:45] <PetefromTn_> I think so the engraving and everything looks decent
[02:03:02] <PetefromTn_> they look better than the ones they were buying if you ask me but they could be better
[02:03:20] <PetefromTn_> I have to make three 3 rotor ones here now after this small run is finished
[02:04:12] <zeeshan|2> hope youre asking a lot for em! :)
[02:04:18] <zeeshan|2> lots of metal removal
[02:04:26] <PetefromTn_> meh you can't really ask too much for them
[02:04:33] <zeeshan|2> 80-100bux?
[02:04:55] <zeeshan|2> how much is the metal
[02:04:56] <PetefromTn_> its not bad tho I don't have much time in them really I have just been draggin my feet with them lately LOL
[02:04:59] <andypugh> I wonder who it was who had the nerve to try faster and harder on strong materials? I recall it was a new discovery back in the mid 90s when I was working as a metallurgist
[02:05:10] <PetefromTn_> its A36 barstock 6X.5
[02:05:35] <PetefromTn_> I bought a 12foot stick for like $90
[02:05:45] <zeeshan|2> thats not bad
[02:05:46] <andypugh> Because somebdoy with a lot of cutters had to watxh that tool-life curve heading to zero and not believe it
[02:05:48] <zeeshan|2> heavy stick :)
[02:06:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah its kinda heavy until you cut the sucker LOL
[02:06:38] <PetefromTn_> I did have to make two different prototypes
[02:06:46] <zeeshan|2> wolf: any idea why im not getting pilot arc?
[02:06:50] <PetefromTn_> the first one they liked but made some changes
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[02:06:53] <zeeshan|2> he told me he took apart the torch to reverse engineer it
[02:06:56] <zeeshan|2> i took it apart
[02:06:58] <zeeshan|2> and it looks okay..
[02:07:20] <Wolf_> safety switch in the head
[02:07:29] <zeeshan|2> where is that?
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[02:07:33] <zeeshan|2> i only see a trigger
[02:07:38] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: nice
[02:07:49] <zeeshan|2> as long as you're happy
[02:07:55] <zeeshan|2> its all good :)
[02:08:14] <Wolf_> on mine its a micro switch on the tip shield
[02:08:41] <zeeshan|2> http://www.everlastgenerators.com/product/plasma/powerplasma-50
[02:08:42] <zeeshan|2> this is what i got
[02:08:45] <PetefromTn_> I'm happy because I made some money and once they are done I will be making MORE money fabbing up the manifolds for turbo cars LOL
[02:08:45] <zeeshan|2> i shoulda bought a hypertherm
[02:08:49] <zeeshan|2> first china piece of shit garbage i bought
[02:08:52] <zeeshan|2> and its garbage after the 6th use
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[02:09:37] <PetefromTn_> my brother in laws son has an everlast 250DX tig and he loves it actually. Had been using it daily for over 8 years now
[02:09:46] <andypugh> My cheap chinese TIG dies once, then the next time it worked fine, and since.
[02:09:47] <Wolf_> funny part, mine is a hypertherm, stopped working due to that switch, also use to cut out due to dirty contacts on one of the daughter board
[02:10:11] <zeeshan|2> it has to be the torch
[02:10:14] <zeeshan|2> he only had the torch
[02:10:19] <zeeshan|2> it took it apart and didnt do something right
[02:10:34] <zeeshan|2> http://forum.longevity-inc.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3313&d=1312144031
[02:10:36] <zeeshan|2> thats what it looks like
[02:10:56] <zeeshan|2> http://forum.longevity-inc.com/showthread.php?3121-S45-plasma-torch-mod-for-CNC
[02:11:02] <Wolf_> see that red wire
[02:11:08] <PetefromTn_> not a lot to it
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[02:12:06] <zeeshan|2> i see the red wire
[02:12:07] <zeeshan|2> what about it
[02:12:12] <zeeshan|2> it looks like its goging to the trigger
[02:12:17] <Wolf_> thats the tip switch
[02:12:57] <zeeshan|2> does that need to touch something always
[02:13:01] <zeeshan|2> and be closed?
[02:13:13] <Wolf_> looks like the trigger closes thru it and the metal in the tip
[02:13:15] <zeeshan|2> okay i think i see it
[02:13:19] <zeeshan|2> when you screw that black thing
[02:13:26] <Wolf_> yup
[02:13:29] <zeeshan|2> in which the copper thing goes into
[02:13:34] <zeeshan|2> it pushes against those red wire copper tip things
[02:13:35] <zeeshan|2> hmmmmmmmmm
[02:13:40] <zeeshan|2> i think that might be it!
[02:13:55] <zeeshan|2> let me go shock myself with 180vdc
[02:13:56] <zeeshan|2> brb
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[02:14:50] <Wolf_> mine needs a new torch :/ shell is totally cooked on mine
[02:21:43] <Wolf_> ouch http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hypertherm-Duramax-25-Retrofit-Hand-Torch-228788-for-1000-1250-1650-/370891029411?hash=item565ad3fba3:m:m4_hBa8sBena8GpuMsWJEEw
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[02:28:05] <zeeshan|2> doesnt work
[02:28:15] <zeeshan|2> like those switches were ok
[02:28:27] <zeeshan|2> if you try to take the black cover off and trigger the torch, it doesnt work
[02:28:32] <zeeshan|2> but when you put the black thing on, it works
[02:28:36] <zeeshan|2> i can hear the air going
[02:28:46] <Wolf_> hmm odd
[02:29:00] <zeeshan|2> its got a 3 year warranty left on it
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[02:29:09] <zeeshan|2> im gonna get them to fix it
[02:29:10] <zeeshan|2> its near my work
[02:29:18] <Wolf_> that works :D
[02:29:29] <zeeshan|2> asap it works
[02:29:30] <zeeshan|2> im selling it
[02:29:35] <zeeshan|2> and buying a proper brand
[02:29:48] <zeeshan|2> something that doesnt stop working after 6 users
[02:29:49] <zeeshan|2> uses
[02:30:01] <Wolf_> hypertherm is pretty cool, they walked me though a field service test over the phone once
[02:30:11] <ssi> I've been happy with my hypertherm
[02:30:17] <zeeshan|2> nice
[02:30:22] <zeeshan|2> yea likely going to get hypertherm
[02:30:23] <zeeshan|2> brb
[02:30:29] <ssi> I sometimes wish it were a 65
[02:30:39] <ssi> but mostly it's quite adequate
[02:30:42] <Wolf_> only issue with them is $$$
[02:30:53] <Wolf_> mine is only 60A
[02:31:02] <ssi> mine's a 45
[02:31:17] <Wolf_> https://www.red-d-arc.com/pdf/Powermax%201000%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf
[02:31:24] <Wolf_> also old now lol
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[02:57:46] <PetefromTn_> Last one almost done! Good too because I am about ready for sack time LOL
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[03:22:08] <Tom_itx> same cutter?
[03:22:20] <Tom_itx> did the lower S help?
[03:23:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah same cutter finished the job!!
[03:24:00] <PetefromTn_> its actually still sharp too LOL
[03:24:01] <zeeshan|2> using the yg1?
[03:24:03] <PetefromTn_> so yeah it helped
[03:24:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah YG1 V7
[03:24:12] <zeeshan|2> nice
[03:27:56] <PetefromTn_> yup hopefully these will hold them over for awhile ;)
[03:28:12] <PetefromTn_> now I gotta finish the drawing for the 3 rotor ones and get them machined
[03:28:19] <PetefromTn_> but thats for another day.
[03:28:38] <Tom_itx> still using cambam?
[03:28:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah mostly
[03:29:07] <Tom_itx> what will it import?
[03:29:10] <Tom_itx> formats..
[03:29:31] <PetefromTn_> most things solidworks files .dxf dwg etc. etc.
[03:29:37] <PetefromTn_> I don't remember the list
[03:29:44] <Tom_itx> do you draw solids or flat patterns?
[03:29:49] <Tom_itx> mostly
[03:30:09] <PetefromTn_> mostly just 2d stuff because I have not had need for much else
[03:30:35] <PetefromTn_> My trusty Cincinatti Arrow 500 with LinuxCNC retrofit triumphs again!!!
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[03:31:29] <Tom_itx> later..
[03:32:03] <PetefromTn_> later man
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[07:42:26] <Deejay> moin
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[10:31:30] <TurBoss> Hi
[10:31:41] <XXCoder> hey
[10:31:43] <malcom2073_> Hi
[10:31:57] <TurBoss> I upgraed a machine to 2.7 and now in some angles the line is smoothed
[10:32:00] <TurBoss> any ieas?
[10:32:28] <TurBoss> the path shown in the 3d view
[10:32:53] <TurBoss> I made a new config for the new version
[10:35:35] <TurBoss> http://imgur.com/4hgBtKY
[10:35:52] <TurBoss> here is a pic of the thing
[10:35:56] <TurBoss> :D
[10:36:00] <XXCoder> pretty cool
[10:36:21] <XXCoder> which angles was smoothed? ear or mouth point
[10:36:36] <TurBoss> but notice the pink line doesn't follow the withe path
[10:37:02] <TurBoss> ear and mouth
[10:37:07] <TurBoss> both
[10:37:41] <XXCoder> I see pink is smoother yeah
[10:38:01] <XXCoder> I isnt very familiar with linuxcnc but maybe there is smoothing function?
[10:38:16] <TurBoss> no idea
[10:38:18] <XXCoder> or maybe its limited to machine accel and max speed dunno
[10:38:19] <TurBoss> hehe
[10:38:30] <XXCoder> malcom2073_: know anything about it?
[10:38:55] <malcom2073_> Looks like G64 issues
[10:39:02] <malcom2073_> If 2.7 now includes that?
[10:39:21] <TurBoss> the gcode was made with gcoetools for inkcape
[10:39:26] <malcom2073_> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G64
[10:39:29] <TurBoss> *gcode
[10:39:30] <malcom2073_> vs http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G61-G61_1
[10:39:37] <malcom2073_> Tryusing G61 mode?
[10:39:41] <malcom2073_> Or reducing your G64 tolerance?
[10:40:16] <XXCoder> path blending interesting
[10:40:16] <TurBoss> checking
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[10:50:23] <Sync> okay
[10:50:27] <Sync> no wonder my lathe was chattery
[10:52:43] <malcom2073_> Did it get into the coffee grounds when you weren't looking?
[10:53:26] <Sync> nah
[10:54:32] <Sync> but the crossslide banana was resting a saddle where the contact surfaces were falling to the edges
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[10:54:41] <Sync> so they can only have touched at 4 points at best
[10:56:56] <XXCoder> so whats you do to fix it
[10:57:04] <TurBoss> malcom2073_ : I dont see any g64 or 61 in my gcode
[10:57:33] <TurBoss> only g01 an g02
[10:57:56] <TurBoss> if i understand you XD
[10:58:57] <Sync> scrape it XXCoder
[10:59:09] <XXCoder> cool
[10:59:22] <Sync> it is not hard to do
[10:59:34] <XXCoder> interesting tip, how to make round by filing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLjBIbPIV5E
[11:00:53] <TurBoss> okay i aded g61 to the start of the code an now it follows the path
[11:01:04] <XXCoder> nice
[11:01:14] <XXCoder> I guess it had defaults
[11:02:11] <malcom2073_> TurBoss: Right, try G61. It may default to G64
[11:02:23] <malcom2073_> "It is a good idea to include a path control specification in the preamble of each G code file."
[11:03:01] <malcom2073_> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/User_Concepts.html#sec:trajectory-control
[11:03:05] <XXCoder> so if you specify round thing by say g1s bit g2 or 3
[11:03:21] <XXCoder> its good idea to use g64 so its nice and smoooth circle?
[11:03:37] <XXCoder> but bad idea other way like tur discovered when want sharp corner?
[11:03:57] <TurBoss> thank you
[11:04:18] <malcom2073_> Right, G64 allows for smooth turns using only G1's. If it needs to look good and tolerances are loose, use G64. If it needs to be precise, use G61
[11:05:00] <XXCoder> /s/bit/not
[11:09:55] <jthornton> G64 P is precise and fast
[11:11:06] <fenn> TurBoss: don't do g61, use g64 p0.01
[11:11:16] <TurBoss> ok
[11:12:20] <fenn> higher values of P may be appropriate
[11:12:41] <XXCoder> it would curve 0.01"?
[11:12:45] <fenn> mm yes
[11:12:47] <XXCoder> or 0.01 mm whatever applicable
[11:13:03] <fenn> but it won't stop at each segment of the spiral
[11:13:16] <TurBoss> ahhhhh
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[11:39:35] <Tom_itx> gcode 101 is now in session
[11:40:17] <Tom_itx> 45°F
[11:40:32] <jthornton> finally 14 stone... one stone to go
[11:40:45] * Jymmm stones jthornton
[11:40:46] <Tom_itx> see how far you can throw that stone
[11:41:07] <jthornton> much further than before
[11:41:23] <Tom_itx> mustuv been all the siding work..
[11:41:35] <jthornton> work helps for sure
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[11:45:20] <MattyMatt> weight in stones but sidings on houses? where tf are you? :)
[11:45:29] <Jymmm> OKEY! I think I found my next flaashlight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpMxw_P1rp4
[11:45:40] <MattyMatt> I make it South Georgia on the evidence
[11:45:46] <MattyMatt> the island
[11:45:50] <XXCoder> my next flashlight dont come with any battery
[11:45:59] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: slightly North
[11:46:12] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Not sure I want to know
[11:46:15] <XXCoder> I think I saw that flashlight
[11:46:17] <Tom_itx> you collect flashlights?
[11:46:36] <XXCoder> me? nah but battery free one? yeah I want one for my car
[11:46:40] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Eh, sorta I guess. I do have a few
[11:46:58] <Jymmm> XXCoder: No you don't, really
[11:46:59] <XXCoder> infinite life (besides wear and tear) and no it's not mastrubate flashlights.
[11:47:16] <jthornton> I'm here
[11:47:42] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I have oe of those, no light to them
[11:48:05] <XXCoder> one I am (probably) getting uses heat differental
[11:48:07] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I have a mild obsesison with light in general
[11:48:25] <Tom_itx> all led in your home?
[11:48:37] <XXCoder> from what I see it looks like around 50 lumens, good enough for emergacies
[11:48:40] <Tom_itx> dimmable with mood change?
[11:49:01] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Nah, CFL. But from pyrotechnics to lasers
[11:49:05] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: that is my ultimate goal, all lights led. more more toxic cfl
[11:49:16] <XXCoder> *no
[11:49:18] <Tom_itx> i switched to 99% led recently
[11:49:33] <XXCoder> my room is 100% led
[11:49:53] <Tom_itx> still have a couple to replace but can't find a good deal on them yet
[11:50:03] <XXCoder> I still have 3 40w led bulbs I bought em at $60 each
[11:50:10] <XXCoder> I now use much cheaper 60w
[11:50:24] <Jymmm> I just need a nice lil carry light. Most of my others are bulky
[11:50:25] <XXCoder> those old bulbs are now 7 years old
[11:50:27] <Tom_itx> u got screwed
[11:50:42] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: nah its still alive and I used it for long years
[11:50:45] <MattyMatt> I bought 12x 3W for £12. 3 have blown so far
[11:50:52] <Tom_itx> you'll never recoop $60 from one bulb
[11:50:57] <MattyMatt> but that's still 9 for £12
[11:51:36] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: I know
[11:51:36] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: need better heatsink
[11:51:36] <MattyMatt> they're little 3w plastic globe jobs
[11:51:36] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: I really needed better and more pure color lights to sort lego properly
[11:51:36] <XXCoder> cfl is very impure color light
[11:51:49] <Tom_itx> i used daylight on all those when i had em
[11:51:57] <Tom_itx> the leds are as well
[11:52:26] <Jymmm> That video is this emitter https://www.fasttech.com/products/1601/10002364/1826602
[11:52:31] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: I have sorted hundreds of thousands of parts under it, and it was much faster. so even though I cant recover power saving, it saved me enough time.
[11:53:39] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Um, why are you playing with legos?
[11:53:49] <XXCoder> why not?
[11:54:16] <XXCoder> I made thousands of bucks profit at it
[11:54:28] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Just figured there be somethng better you could build/make than plastic blocks
[11:54:32] <XXCoder> pretty hard work but it got me though bad time
[11:54:47] <Jymmm> sellig them?
[11:54:49] <XXCoder> and it fully paid my las vegas holiday even
[11:54:52] <XXCoder> yeah
[11:54:58] <XXCoder> I'm retired from it now but yea
[11:55:01] <Jymmm> how so?
[11:55:15] <XXCoder> I make way more money making cnc parts
[11:55:21] <XXCoder> *parts by cnc
[11:55:25] <Jymmm> buy used, sell high?
[11:55:33] <XXCoder> theres some that do
[11:55:41] <XXCoder> I am lazy so I buy new sets part em out
[11:55:56] <Jymmm> part em out?
[11:56:00] <XXCoder> I dont have time to sell off rest of my stock. lol
[11:56:08] <XXCoder> yep
[11:56:11] <Tom_itx> some figures are worth quite a bit to some ppl
[11:56:17] <Tom_itx> or special pieces
[11:56:18] <Jymmm> like sell 5 people?
[11:56:30] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: I once bought chrome gold cpo for $80
[11:56:33] <XXCoder> expensive right?
[11:56:37] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ah
[11:56:39] <XXCoder> I sold it for $350
[11:56:48] <XXCoder> few years later its now $500+
[11:56:55] <Tom_itx> Jymmm it's the same concept of the turds zeeshan|2 made
[11:57:02] <Tom_itx> sell for $$$$
[11:57:17] <Jymmm> so to specific collectors?
[11:57:23] <Tom_itx> i suppoe
[11:57:25] <Tom_itx> se
[11:57:32] <Jymmm> not just the general pubic
[11:57:47] <XXCoder> one of my rare buy used and sell, I managed to snag small lot for $25. One of sets in it, a lego toy car (like hotwheel) and garage for it (literally 3 parts)
[11:57:48] <Tom_itx> i just collect dust
[11:57:52] <XXCoder> it sold for $40
[11:58:12] <XXCoder> well rest of stuff in that box funded my LV trip LOL
[11:58:15] <XXCoder> few hundred bucks
[11:58:32] <XXCoder> 1970s sets
[11:58:37] <Jymmm> Ok, so selling as collectables, gotcha
[11:58:49] <XXCoder> most times I dont sell collectable
[11:58:58] <XXCoder> I sell bulk parts, parted out from new sets
[11:59:05] <XXCoder> not as tidy profit but yeah
[11:59:13] * jthornton just realize it is Monday
[11:59:16] <jthornton> d
[11:59:27] <XXCoder> missed work eh heh
[11:59:42] <jthornton> no, it's still waiting outside for me
[12:00:42] <[cube]> moanday
[12:00:42] <Tom_itx> btw, when do we get our hour of daylight back in the mornings?
[12:01:12] <jthornton> dunno but that sucks that they take it away from us
[12:01:17] <XXCoder> should be soon
[12:01:47] <jthornton> I wish Missouri was smart like a few other states and just ignored that stupid DST thing
[12:02:07] <Tom_itx> would be fine by me
[12:02:21] <XXCoder> if I recall it saves companies money on power usage
[12:03:37] <Tom_itx> which they spend on corporate golf tournaments
[12:03:43] <Tom_itx> etc
[12:03:53] <jthornton> lol
[12:04:17] <XXCoder> lol
[12:05:08] <Tom_itx> the poor will always be poor, the lazy always lazy and you just can't fix stupid
[12:05:41] <XXCoder> just remember poor is not always lazy
[12:05:48] <XXCoder> nor is rich always hardworking
[12:05:53] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: The hell my 12ga can't!
[12:06:06] <jthornton> damn new zealanders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time
[12:06:54] <Tom_itx> never did like George
[12:09:22] <Tom_itx> even then they didn't wanna disrupt their golf..
[12:10:54] <Tom_itx> george wasn't a good golfer so he chased butterflies
[12:12:36] <jthornton> damn Mate desktop doesn't have a printer menu choice... this stuff just gets worse and worse no wonder people think windoze is good
[12:13:03] <XXCoder> jthornton: try xfce
[12:13:20] <jthornton> I think I did
[12:13:37] <XXCoder> laters
[12:13:42] <jthornton> isn't that what comes with the liveCD?
[12:13:50] <Tom_itx> i think so
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[12:21:33] <Jymmm> The time is 10:76 https://www.fasttech.com/p/1111001
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[13:00:02] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: maybe they use metric or hex time
[13:00:15] <Jymmm> heh
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[13:15:02] <MattyMatt> what's so great about a starrett combo square blade that makes it cost so much? do they age the steel in oak barrels?
[13:15:50] <MattyMatt> are all the numbers engraved with a very small chisel by watchmakers?
[13:16:41] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Starrett-B600-36-Blade-for-Combination-Square-600mm-24in/281403442620 £83 if you're wondering, for the 2ft one
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[13:18:52] <MattyMatt> in metric :) I'd sneak it into keith fenner's kit if it was a reasonable price
[13:19:39] <Sync> you pay for the brand
[13:19:50] <Sync> idk, I have no real use for the combo squares
[13:22:10] <MattyMatt> I'm sure you do to some extent, but £20 drawing rulers are defo better than the £5 ones. you can tell in the quality of the ground edges.
[13:22:49] <MattyMatt> and I'm sure the steel is passivated etc better, so it stays straighter
[13:23:10] <MattyMatt> not passivated, thimgummied. long tempering
[13:24:26] <fenn> stress relieved
[13:24:40] <Sync> hm, still quite a ways to go on the crossslide
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[13:27:55] <MattyMatt> I like my cheapo one with its alu rule. I've got old british ones too but the rulers are all 1/8 and 1/16. good for woodwork
[13:28:55] <archivist> an accurate ruler is a different tool to a bevel for scribing lines
[13:30:21] <MattyMatt> those combo square blades don't have any bevel. even the starrett I don't think
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[13:32:19] <archivist> bevel a thing to mark out 45 degrees etc
[13:33:27] <archivist> but plain overpriced stuff should be avoided
[13:33:53] <MattyMatt> I guess I shouldn't be scribing directly against the square, especially the alu one
[13:34:38] <archivist> they are a scribing aid
[13:35:27] <archivist> all tools wears with use, alu is carpenter/builder,gorilla grade
[13:35:41] <MattyMatt> I have seen people use a tiny beveled rule against a square, and that seems sensible
[13:36:03] <MattyMatt> I'd do that if I'd paid £83 for the square :)
[13:36:13] <MattyMatt> and that's just the blade
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[13:53:29] <Sync> it is a wear item, if it is done, you get another one
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[14:28:11] <ssi> I ordered a bunch of stuff from digikey and somehow the order got sent to the house instead of the hangar :(
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[17:58:33] <CaptHindsight> anyone have a ball/lead screw positioner with a ~10" travel in "almost new" condition they want to sell?
[17:58:50] <CaptHindsight> should be pretty fine pitch
[17:58:59] <JT-Shop> yea got to use my sky hook again http://gnipsel.com/images/shop/Siding03.jpg
[18:00:13] <Jymmm> But can it make a bridge? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gwPyncp3BA
[18:00:32] <CaptHindsight> there's a tool that really handy but not used often unless you're in construction
[18:00:32] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, when you finish there i've got a few odds n ends you can finish up here as well..
[18:01:44] <JT-Shop> I have a zillion odds n ends to do over here lol
[18:01:59] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I've seen those but haven't seen how they handle turns/curves
[18:02:21] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, I had to haul that piece up 3 times before it fit lol
[18:02:45] <Tom_itx> maybe been easier to take the saw up with you?
[18:03:55] <CaptHindsight> oh the fun of doing that work by yourself
[18:04:19] <CaptHindsight> even worse when you have untrained help with 2 left thumbs
[18:04:35] <Tom_itx> most of the time i'd rather work by myself
[18:04:51] <Tom_itx> unless i can't lift it
[18:06:25] <JT-Shop> much less discussion when you work alone
[18:12:25] <archivist> sidings are for trains, cladding is for keeping the rain out of buildings
[18:14:23] <JT-Shop> we have car siding over here
[18:15:16] <archivist> you mean a lay-by ?
[18:15:22] <JT-Shop> I covered the ceiling in the Florida room with it
[18:15:23] <Wolf_> I have 20 square of siding for my house that needs installed, come do mine next, and rail siding across the street, always fun when they start switching out cars at 3am
[18:16:21] <JT-Shop> http://www.ufpedge.com/~/media/UFP%20Edge/Profiles/carsiding.jpg?h=185&la=en&w=375
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[18:18:05] <maxcnc> Good Evening from Germany
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[18:52:36] <MrSunshine> damn CMT forumula 2050 was awesome =)
[18:53:01] <MrSunshine> still needed some elbow greace but it just obliterated the mdf glues etc that was sticking to the tools =)
[18:55:09] <CaptHindsight> archivist: I think over here cladding is for boat and ship hulls
[18:55:19] <MrSunshine> but chipped a cutting edge on a 6mm carbide :/
[18:55:37] <MrSunshine> lesson learned .. do not put more than one carbide tool in the bath at the same time if they can touch eachother
[18:55:39] <archivist> over here cladding is cladding on whatever
[18:56:53] <CaptHindsight> and lay-by's are turnouts, rest stops or truck stops
[18:57:24] <CaptHindsight> truck = lorry
[18:57:54] <maxcnc> MrSunshine: put some foam with the tools
[18:58:15] <MrSunshine> maxcnc: was a bath to clean them
[18:58:36] <maxcnc> i know we got them cleaned for AL milling
[18:58:38] <MrSunshine> tried to put them in gentle and to the sides but heard two tools clonking together .. i guess that was when it happened
[18:59:05] <MrSunshine> got them in their packages they come with when not used =)
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[19:07:07] <MrSunshine> but i do not regret buying the cleaner for the tools ... stuff i couldnt get off before just melted off =)
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[20:15:42] <MrSunshine> using brass brushes on carbide tooling shouldnt be a problem right? =)
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[20:28:56] <anomynous> why do you want to clean them?
[20:41:25] <MrSunshine> cutting wood
[20:41:32] <MrSunshine> buildup of glue and stuff on them
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[20:43:07] <XXCoder> why not some organic acid
[20:43:18] <XXCoder> something that will etch organics off but mot touch metal
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[20:47:01] <MrSunshine> XXCoder: aparently carbide as its sintered or "glued" together can get hur from acids etc
[20:47:12] <XXCoder> ahb too bad
[20:47:26] <XXCoder> but will dishes soap hurt it?
[20:47:38] <MrSunshine> ive got a frekkin cleaning solution for it already! :P
[20:47:44] <MrSunshine> and it works great =) ...
[20:47:48] <XXCoder> lol ok
[20:48:17] <MrSunshine> question was now if using a brass wheel in the dremel to rub the most stubborn stuff of could be bad for the bits =)
[20:48:33] <MrSunshine> brass shouldnt be able to touch carbide imo but never know
[20:48:56] <andypugh> Could you 3D print a swarm of crowdsourced nanobots to do it for you? Anything else seems old-fashioned
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[20:52:12] <MrSunshine> why didnt i think of that
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[20:52:19] <MrSunshine> they could sharpen the cutters at the same time also
[20:52:24] <MrSunshine> i wonder if a makerbot can do it
[20:52:46] <XXCoder> kind of. first use makerbot to make micromakerbot
[20:52:50] <XXCoder> then again
[20:52:58] <XXCoder> then that machine can make nanobots
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[20:56:31] <JT-Shop> no more flat rate boxes after 1-17-16
[20:56:46] <JT-Shop> and other cuts
[20:57:23] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[20:57:34] <XXCoder> usps?
[20:57:46] <JT-Shop> yea
[20:57:54] <XXCoder> too bad
[20:57:55] <JT-Shop> just got a letter from them
[20:57:59] <PetefromTn_> you must be kidding I use the shit out of those
[20:58:17] <JT-Shop> no regional rate C box either
[20:59:13] <XXCoder> surpised they didnt end it before xmas
[21:01:40] <jdh> good time to stock up on free boxes
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[21:07:46] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO104aoscxw why do they need so many jump wires?
[21:09:02] <malcom2073_> Because chips have quite a few wires?
[21:09:05] <malcom2073_> pins*
[21:09:33] <anomynous> did their pcb manufacturer run out of copper? ;D
[21:09:53] <Wolf_> have to connect the die somehow
[21:10:10] <anomynous> die?
[21:10:13] <Sync> anomynous: flipchip is expensive
[21:10:16] <Sync> the silicon
[21:10:34] <anomynous> flipchip?
[21:10:47] <Sync> turning the die upside down and soldering it on a carrier
[21:11:13] <anomynous> why? that looks more expensive than turning a chip upside down, and putting it in owen ;D
[21:11:50] <Sync> no
[21:11:54] <Wolf_> I bet that chip is probably half the size of a grain of rice if not smaller
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[21:12:06] <Sync> flipchip requires special surface prep
[21:12:11] <Sync> and passivation
[21:12:17] <Sync> which is expensive
[21:12:48] <anomynous> due to so small contact points?
[21:13:55] <anomynous> too small ;D thatd be a nice way for connecting jump wires for home arduino projects
[21:14:04] <anomynous> i dont have arduino, but if i had such a thing id definetly buy one
[21:14:05] <anomynous> ;D
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[21:15:27] <malcom2073_> lol
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[21:18:50] <Wolf_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT1FStxAVz4 yeah kinda small
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[21:19:37] <malcom2073_> Totally legit for connecting arduinos to other boards :P
[21:20:31] <Wolf_> yup, thats how I would do it
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[21:22:59] <Sync> wirebonding arduinos?
[21:23:00] <Sync> why not
[21:23:12] <Sync> if they have enig pcbs that is entirely possible
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[21:47:48] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:48:46] <PetefromTn_> Well I TRIED to get a better deal on the AC servo motors and drives for my CNC lathe retrofit but no dice here. SO the SEARCH CONTINUES!!!!!
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[21:54:29] <Computer_barf> searching for a servo motor at a good price can be such a pain in the ass
[21:54:41] <PetefromTn_> you can say that shit again LOL
[21:55:19] <Computer_barf> I want to find a good one for a 4th axis
[21:55:20] <PetefromTn_> I got it even worse I want a PACKAGE matched servo motor driver and cables for a good price :D
[21:55:56] <PetefromTn_> I would like to get the TECO's again like I have on the Cincinatti but they are so high priced now
[21:57:00] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-servo-motor-drive-Kit-1ph-220V-80mm-3-5NM-750W-2000RPM-3A-Withe-3M-Cable-/111707365808?hash=item1a024721b0:g:aDUAAOSwHnFVkkat I would love to get these but who knows how bad they are LOL
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[21:59:55] <Sync> they are not that bad
[22:00:14] <Computer_barf> 2000 rpm is a bit low for my purposes
[22:00:16] <PetefromTn_> you have some?
[22:00:33] <PetefromTn_> they sell the same model in 3k ROM
[22:00:34] <PetefromTn_> RPM
[22:00:39] <Sync> but it is not proper chain cable
[22:00:46] <Sync> no, but I have worked with them
[22:01:08] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean chain cable?
[22:01:21] <Computer_barf> one of those red cables?
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[22:02:36] <Sync> well, cables for cable carriers are specially made
[22:02:56] <Sync> with the cable wound in coils and usually PU as case material
[22:03:03] <Sync> and those are ... cacles
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[22:10:13] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Have you looked at DMM?
[22:10:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is who I was trying to deal with
[22:10:46] <andypugh> In a previous job I made machines for testing wire bonds, a tiny little hook and a load-cell.
[22:10:57] <PetefromTn_> pisses me off because ALL of these damn things are just chinese motors and drives...
[22:11:10] <PetefromTn_> including the Tecos I have
[22:11:18] <andypugh> (and microscopes and accurate axes and air bearings…)
[22:11:27] <PetefromTn_> yet one is way more expensive than the other
[22:11:56] <PetefromTn_> what does that have to do with AC servos?
[22:12:28] <Tom_itx> china
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[22:13:42] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Panasonic-AC-servo-motor-MSMJ082G1U-with-servo-drive-MCDKT3520E-750W-2-4Nm-/201341001380?hash=item2ee0dbdea4:g:xbMAAOSwrklVQi~c
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[22:16:46] <Tom_itx> usb interface too?
[22:20:12] <PCW> Yaskawa uses a FIrewire connector for their encoder, maybe Panasonic is the same
[22:20:48] <Tom_itx> firewire on the right but isn't that usb on the left?
[22:21:15] <PetefromTn_> no clue
[22:21:29] <Tom_itx> i thought firewire was dead
[22:22:36] <Sync> PCW: have you figured out that strange yaskawa absolute protocol they do?
[22:23:11] <Sync> miniusb, yeah on the left
[22:24:45] <PCW> No, I have a drive and controller but I havent looked into it
[22:28:12] <PCW> I still need to figure out the 2 wire Fanuc protocol used for 16M and 32M resolution encoders
[22:28:28] <Sync> because I have a tiny yaskawa servo I want to use for stuff
[22:28:36] <Sync> but so far have not figured out what they do
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[22:31:28] <PCW> yours have battery backup?
[22:32:16] <Sync> yes
[22:33:42] <PCW> Do you have a drive?
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[22:34:40] <Sync> nope
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[22:37:39] <PetefromTn_> Sync so you were not very clear here what do you know about those chinese motor and drive combos on ebay? Have you used them or set them up recently?
[22:38:13] <Sync> I have seen them running
[22:38:36] <Sync> and they are okay for that price
[22:39:20] <PetefromTn_> on what?
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[22:42:04] <Sync> some random linear axis
[22:42:48] <PetefromTn_> Ok
[22:43:50] <PCW> A little Googling suggests the Yaskawa protocol is manchester encoded HDLC
[22:44:43] <PCW> at 4 MB
[22:46:08] <Sync> yeah
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[22:46:15] <Sync> that's what I also found
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[22:56:04] <PCW> driven by a 75ALS1178 so RS-485 as expected
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[22:57:45] <Sync> there is a different driver in mine, but yeah
[22:57:48] <Sync> it is rs485
[22:57:50] <PCW> Ha the manchester encoder/decoder is done with SSI
[23:02:51] <Sync> 0o
[23:05:22] <PCW> (2007 vintage SGDS-IF12SA )
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[23:22:24] <JT-Shop> damn github won't let me do anything from my plasma cause firefox is too old
[23:22:36] <JT-Shop> what a pain in the a$$
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[23:38:39] <MacGalempsy> hoal
[23:38:41] <MacGalempsy> hola
[23:38:55] <Computer_barf> kay
[23:39:32] <PetefromTn_> hola mac
[23:39:49] <Computer_barf> empanada por favor
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[23:41:41] <malcom2073_> Yummy
[23:42:11] <Computer_barf> cachapa
[23:46:05] <Computer_barf> https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/12118621_840295106068315_8845234573396779305_n.jpg?oh=081925cd0521fe06db864ca15b5ff605&oe=5689F64E
[23:46:08] <Sync> http://aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-lot-Omron-E6B2-CWZ6C-E6B2CWZ6C-Incremental-Rotary-Encoder-10-50-60-100-200-360-500/2045821461.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_2_71_72_73_74_75,searchweb201527_1,searchweb201560_9 what the hell is happening here, are they faking omron encoders to specs omron doesn't sell?!
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[23:51:36] <MacGalempsy> una o dos empanada?
[23:52:22] <MacGalempsy> lol. I was just wondering if those are fake then read the last part of your email
[23:52:39] <MacGalempsy> hey pete. making anything good?
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