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[00:13:56] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium%E2%80%93sulfur_battery
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[01:03:28] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: poke
[01:08:07] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: I have a bunch of anodizing questions for you :P
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[02:36:59] <PetefromTn_> Hey sorry man I was out in the shop..
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[03:32:20] <tiwake> ugh, you are supposed to poke me
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[03:49:11] * Tom_itx pokes tiwake with a sharp stick
[03:49:17] <Tom_itx> feel better now?
[03:53:33] <tiwake> enh
[03:53:46] <tiwake> sorta
[03:54:06] <tiwake> I'm getting ready to back a kickstarter for a space shooting game
[03:54:24] <tiwake> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/309114309/infinity-battlescape
[04:02:45] <Praesmeodymium> I been burned by kickstarter games
[04:03:47] <Praesmeodymium> that looks good and all but I ssuspect the ship fates are waaaaay of they dont have a prealpha demo availible till january according to cuurent estimates
[04:04:34] <Wolf_> 0.o
[04:04:41] <Praesmeodymium> thats a huge red flag for me at this point, if a game isnt mostly finished I am not interested
[04:05:41] <Wolf_> Hardinge 50V collet
[04:05:48] <Wolf_> pain in the ass to find?
[04:05:59] <tiwake> Praesmeodymium: I've been following its development for ~4 years now. They (1-2 guys) started working on their game engine about 10 years ago because no game engine could do what they wanted to do.
[04:08:53] <tiwake> the game engine is fantastic with how they implement ray tracing, atmospheric scattering, fluid mechanics, orbital mechanics, newtonian physics... I really don't like the plastic look of most modern game engines
[04:10:58] <Wolf_> Looked at that $500 Van Norman Ram Type mill today, 22LU with a 50V spindle :/
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[04:13:37] <Wolf_> that damn 50V collet part kinda makes the deal look shitty
[04:16:33] <bobo__> Wolf " Hardinge 50V collet - pain in the ass to find " I think you forgot very expensive and limited as compared to Cat 40/50
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[04:17:30] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/tiB9E3O.jpg
[04:17:40] <Wolf_> I know where one is...
[04:19:24] <bobo__> Have seen several Van-Norman mills unsolded because of the collet problem
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[04:21:52] <Wolf_> wonder if that could be redone with a cat40
[04:22:54] <Wolf_> lol
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006FQ3KDM/ref=biss_dp_t_asn ! fuck
[04:23:40] <bobo__> To my thinking ,a mill of that size that doesent have a least a #40 taper is not worth the time and money
[04:24:33] <Jymmmm> Wolf_: FREE shipping =)
[04:25:01] <bobo__> least a #40 taper means no R8 ore Morse tapers
[04:25:06] <ssi> Wolf_: have you looked into the stmbl enough to know how to go about initial testing?
[04:25:10] <Wolf_> its crusty and rusty
http://imgur.com/a/kNpN7
[04:25:19] <Wolf_> ssi: nope lol
[04:25:42] <ssi> I have one built
[04:27:26] <Wolf_> oddly that mill even had all the parts to go with it, including a 3phase 2hp motor
[04:28:09] <bobo__> ssi send it to zeeshan for fault testing
[04:32:25] <bobo__> Wolf a Van-Norman spindle taper could be changed , but just the material and maching cost ,to me would mean a newer mill would be better
[04:32:45] <Wolf_> what sorta cost?
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[04:35:10] <bobo__> mach the two spindles harden and grind and spindle material also mayby different bearings
[04:38:48] <bobo__> I wonder if Hardinge still makes the 50v collets, never mind their price
[04:39:44] <Wolf_> http://shophardinge.com/productGrid.aspx?catID=1629 maybe
[04:43:42] <bobo__> Oh gosh even at a 50% off sale they are above my price range
[04:46:58] <Wolf_> http://www.spsspindle.com/sps-spindle-services/spindle-rebuilding/spindles-we-service/ lol looks like every thing but a Van-Norman
[04:48:24] <t12> i wonder if my ghetto kinematics will work
[04:48:51] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/0aco3k384qqloxl/AABizEHHVSI9us-OT0df_HT4a
[04:49:07] <t12> to be replicated on front of headstock
[04:49:54] <t12> i guess if it repeats and is stable it will work
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[04:53:13] <bobo__> Wolf I think that place is listing CNC machine type spindles, not the manual mill type spindles
[04:54:38] <Wolf_> set up a grinder on my 7x10 lathe tool post and bolt the lathe to the Mill table? :D
[04:55:33] <bobo__> you arn't british
[04:57:08] <bobo__> that would be something they would do. and some of them would pull it off too
[04:57:14] <Wolf_> or make a grinder up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyzp--7VYvY
[05:01:29] <bobo__> compare the size of a 30 or 40 tool holder shank(end that goes in spindle) to even a R8 collet
[05:02:37] <bobo__> I think a R8 is close to size of #30
[05:06:29] <Wolf_> cat 30 is 1.25” x 1.875”L
[05:07:41] <Wolf_> 50V is ~1.57”
[05:08:20] <bobo__> might be worth asking ssi or zeeshan or tom if they could overlay them with a 50v in solid works for you
[05:08:42] <Wolf_> if its possible to find a 50V drawing
[05:10:04] <bobo__> hardinge might have (still) drawings
[05:10:49] <bobo__> know they did at one time
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[05:13:13] <bobo__> they would tell you everything , except how they made them
[05:13:45] <Wolf_> yeah, not gonna buy one to figure it out
[05:14:33] <bobo__> there drawings were free or very cheap
[05:15:44] <bobo__> 50v drawing might be on their web site
[05:19:26] <bobo__> time was Hardinge were very easy to talk to, but I am past 70 and stuck in what once was thinking
[05:21:27] <Wolf_> hmm
[05:21:46] <Wolf_> other option would be to have a r8 adapter made
[05:23:23] <bobo__> other option could be to - look at a newer type mill
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[05:28:50] <bobo__> those older mills are just the thing for pealing the hard skin off cast iron castings day in day out, last I looked foundrys have become few
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[05:30:10] <bobo__> foundries
[05:30:44] <Wolf_> well, it is a neat machine from what I have read, except the whole odd spindle bore problem
[05:31:24] <bobo__> it was not odd then, just now
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[05:33:40] <Wolf_> not much else on craigslist for this area,
http://york.craigslist.org/tld/5258435244.html is the next cheapest
[05:35:13] <ssi> hardinge is still proud of their parts
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[05:35:50] <Wolf_> big jump from $500 too...
[05:36:05] <bobo__> Wolf have you looked at what HGR is selling ?
[05:36:28] <Wolf_> whats HGR
[05:37:39] <bobo__> Cleveland Oh. used mach + kitchen sink dealer
[05:38:08] <Wolf_> not too close for me
[05:38:31] <bobo__> you and Pete
[05:39:18] <bobo__> HGR has a web site
[05:40:15] <Wolf_> 340mi...
[05:41:18] <bobo__> bet if you took a flashlite and poked around there might even be some 50v collets
[05:41:18] <Wolf_> like $204 just in fuel to get there and back
[05:41:38] <ssi> lol
[05:41:41] * ssi does some math
[05:41:50] <Wolf_> give or take $50
[05:42:08] <ssi> it would cost me $32 round trip to go that distance in my car
[05:42:39] <ssi> it would cost me $121 round trip to go that distance in my airplane, at 180mph
[05:42:40] <Wolf_> thats w/ the truck, w/ just under 3-4 tons available for load
[05:43:10] <ssi> if I took the car and the trailer I could haul a ton back, and I'd probably burn $50 in fuel instead of $32
[05:43:56] <ssi> I could haul four tons for about the same price in fuel as your truck
[05:43:59] <ssi> it'd just take me four trips :)
[05:44:00] <Wolf_> $51 for the car, figuring $3 gal fuel
[05:44:08] <bobo__> $204 wont even buy a Hardinge collet , you are too young to be thinking like me . get with it whipper snapper
[05:46:17] <Wolf_> wait, wtf are you driving ssi?
[05:46:44] <Wolf_> 680mi round trip for me to cleveland
[05:47:12] <ssi> a car so good on gas the government had to ban it
[05:47:41] <ssi> I never believed any of those conspiracy theories before
[05:47:50] <Wolf_> what is it?
[05:47:57] <ssi> the ones like "did you hear about the guy who invented a carburetor that could get 100mpg? he disappeared"
[05:48:11] <bobo__> Wolf who cares what ssi is driving. offer to pay $40 for gas
[05:48:19] <ssi> vw diesel
[05:48:24] <Wolf_> my pos only gets like ~40 mpg
[05:48:27] <ssi> I figured that at 50mpg
[05:48:36] <ssi> but on long highway trips I can actually do 57+
[05:48:59] <Wolf_> but mine isn’t broken in, and has the DPF/DEF system as well
[05:49:03] <Wolf_> and its DSG
[05:49:13] <ssi> I have dpf
[05:49:18] <ssi> no def on the jetta
[05:49:26] <ssi> dsg is a penalty for sure
[05:49:36] <ssi> mine's definitely broken in though
[05:49:37] <Wolf_> I have a ’15 golf wagon
[05:49:41] <ssi> it's a 2014 and I have 63k on it
[05:49:45] <Wolf_> not even 4k on it yet lol
[05:49:56] <bobo__> swing by here and I will pop for lunch or dinner
[05:50:04] <ssi> but it's 100% stock except for the radio :)
[05:50:16] <ssi> 57+mpg requires driving 62mph and no AC
[05:50:33] <ssi> and it doesn't take much traffic to wreck those numbers
[05:50:58] <ssi> you better hang onto that car though, cause you'll never get another one
[05:51:03] <Wolf_> yeah, I leave mine on auto climate… and don’t drive 62 lol
[05:51:31] <Wolf_> I’m waiting for the recall, then going to get a malone tune :D
[05:51:46] <ssi> yeah I intend to do the same thinhg
[05:51:58] <ssi> but I noticed malone took the details about their dpf delete tune off the website
[05:52:01] <ssi> that concerns me a bit
[05:52:16] <Wolf_> one of the MD guys has the DPF delete tune
[05:52:20] <Wolf_> on a 15
[05:52:56] <Wolf_> I don’t think malone listed the dpf/def delete tune on the site for the ’15, but it does exist
[05:53:13] <ssi> I hope so
[05:53:37] <ssi> I've heard gains of 7-10mpg from the dpf delete tune
[05:53:45] <ssi> I need that in my life
[05:54:05] <Wolf_> I was thinking about hitting the guy up that has the delete done and seeing if I can borrow his stock parts for a weekend and build a welding jig up :D
[05:54:24] <ssi> that's a good idea
[05:55:17] <ssi> I'll have my 2 post lift soon enough, maybe it won't be so hateful to remove that I can't pull it and pattern it
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[05:55:46] <ssi> based on this, yours is different than mine
[05:55:49] <ssi> http://www.rawtekinc.com/products/tdi-dpf-delete-downpipe-for-vw-2-0l-cr-gen-1?variant=962505735
[05:56:02] <Wolf_> yeah it is
[05:56:45] <ssi> god this looks like a miserable job hahah
[05:56:48] <ssi> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0637/8533/files/Rawtek_Downpipe_and_Midpipe_Installation_Guide_v3.pdf?651
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[05:57:53] <Wolf_> http://s685.photobucket.com/user/Richkid064/media/image7.jpeg.html
[05:57:57] <ssi> oh emm gee they're dropping the subframe and the axles :(
[05:58:02] <Wolf_> well that looks like a total bitch
[05:59:17] <ssi> one other thing I'd really like to do to that car is put some better brakes on it
[05:59:27] <ssi> I traded a '12 Golf R in for the TDI
[05:59:34] <Wolf_> hah yeah
[05:59:34] <ssi> and I thought I was gonna die for the first month
[05:59:38] <ssi> the brakes feel SOOOOO spongy
[06:00:11] <Wolf_> the wagen isn’t very impressive on the brake end of thing either
[06:00:26] <Wolf_> look really damn small in 18” wheels too
[06:00:39] <Wolf_> http://s685.photobucket.com/user/Richkid064/media/image13_1.jpeg.html
[06:01:00] <ssi> lol dang
[06:01:21] <Wolf_> I have no idea wtf all that crap is there lol
[06:02:00] <Wolf_> looks like that down pipe might work tho
[06:02:37] <ssi> you know what?
[06:02:49] <ssi> I think if I do this, I'll pay someone to make and install :)
[06:03:20] <Wolf_> Thinking the same thing here
[06:04:37] <ssi> yeah... that looks like about the worst possible job
[06:05:16] <ssi> I have all the arms and the top plate of my lift painted
[06:05:25] <ssi> need to wire brush and paint the colums and actuators
[06:06:15] <Wolf_> ok that doesn’t look that bad
http://s685.photobucket.com/user/Richkid064/media/image14_1.jpeg.html
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[06:09:41] <bobo__> Wolf & ssi hgrinc.com they even have kitchen sinks
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[06:20:12] <bobo__> Wolf hgr had a Maho MH800e2 #0615-145-0013 that last time I looked it was $3,500 . if you are interested , look up that hgr # for a idea of what is on the used market
[06:21:18] <bobo__> could call them and ask what that item number sold for
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[06:23:49] <Wolf_> http://baltimore.craigslist.org/bfs/5222996623.html go big?
[06:24:27] <Connor> or go home! :)
[06:25:23] <bobo__> Maho was a better machine. back later
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[06:25:50] <archivist> will entertain offers
[06:26:20] <Wolf_> wonder where he got the Maho from, I don’t see any listed local to me lol
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[07:07:14] <Deejay> moin
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[09:13:05] <XXCoder> tiwake: nicw
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[09:44:40] <XXCoder> lol
http://36.media.tumblr.com/243cad11a01436b6eb3e1b8c357e79f3/tumblr_nwj4sgkpPE1rvya9ro1_1280.png
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[10:49:16] <XXCoder> what msystery and what was solved? who did it? did you unmask that guy yet? heh
[10:49:21] <ganzuul> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000W-Low-ZVS-High-Frequency-Induction-Heating-Board-Modul-Coil-Machine-20A/32454893604.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.10.ZZtuDn&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_9_71_72_73_74_75,searchweb201527_3,searchweb201560_9
[10:49:58] <jthornton> a coding mystery
[10:53:27] <XXCoder> coding for?
[10:54:06] <malcom2073_> mmmm induction heating
[11:02:16] <jthornton> dang it's going to rain all weekend and I was making such good progress on the shop siding
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[11:15:19] <fenn> wow that's a cheap induction heater
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[11:19:26] <DaViruz> finally a use for my 48V 73A power supplies
[11:19:34] <lair82> Good Morning Gentleman, I have a strange problem, I have deban wheezy running, almost done setting up this mill, and I noticed that when I try to shut down the computer, it shuts down, then it just restarts itself. Any thoughts?
[11:20:36] <fenn> ganzuul what's the input voltage/frequency for that induction heater?
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[13:31:53] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/C1RG6Kt knitting metal.
[13:35:22] <_methods> i'm pretty sure osha would be all over you for being that close to that with no shielding in usa
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[13:43:57] <SpeedEvil> Likely.
[13:44:42] <ssi> whoa that's cool
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[14:50:12] <lair82> Good Morning Gentleman, I have a strange problem, I have deban wheezy running, almost done setting up this mill, and I noticed that when I try to shut down the computer, it shuts down, then it just restarts itself. Any thoughts?
[14:50:41] <cradek> sometimes there are bios settings for "stay on" etc
[14:50:53] <lair82> I think it hassomething to do with this page,
http://postimg.org/image/5jhvcyoxv/
[14:51:27] <lair82> Oh, I will have to look at the bios
[14:51:59] <cradek> well, backing up, does it just log out and back in, or reboot, or something else?
[14:54:48] <lair82> No, I click "Shutdown" on the popup at the bottom of the screen. it logs out, then you see all the shutdown scripts, then the last ting I see is "power down" then the screen goes blank, then I get the "No Video' on the display, and then it boots back up after about a second or two.
[14:55:14] <cradek> oh yeah, then that's bios or hardware, not linux
[14:55:28] <lair82> Ok,
[14:56:00] <Roguish> definitely BIOS.
[14:56:21] <lair82> Gotta shudown and look at the bios, be back in a few.
[14:56:29] <pcw_home> disable all the wakeup on whatever options in the BIOS
[14:57:03] <lair82> Hey pcw_home this is that H97 board
[14:57:53] <pcw_home> Yeah I dont have any problem like that so its likely a wake on KB or some such option
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[14:58:16] <pcw_home> also flakey PCI/PCIE cards can do this
[14:58:37] <lair82> OK, going to go exploring. be back in about 5 mins
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[15:48:33] <Jymmm> pcw_home:
http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G143703355573
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[15:53:19] <pcw_home> Yes and 3 months later there will be a new incompatible version
[15:54:27] <pcw_home> just when they have got 90% of the kernel bugs fuixed
[15:54:54] <Jymmm> pcw_home: That's the C1+, an upgrade from the C1
[15:55:14] <Jymmm> pcw_home: So at least you cna compared the two for compatability
[15:57:33] <FinboySlick> It's pretty cheap.
[15:57:51] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I was thinking mostly for a embedded/dedicate batery powered SDR
[15:58:05] <FinboySlick> I like the eMMC option too.
[15:58:35] <Jymmm> serial console too
[16:02:44] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: If you want speed/power, blah blah
http://odroid.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=en:odroid-xu4
[16:03:27] <ssi> did someone say power? DID SOMEONE SAY SPEED?!
[16:03:28] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLTh4uVJduI
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[16:06:45] <enleth> I winder if anyone milled a pumpkin face on a vertical mill before.
[16:06:56] <enleth> *wonder
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[16:08:47] <enleth> The next Nighthack at my local Hackerspace happens to be on Halloween and somebody suggested that.
[16:09:21] <enleth> Also, mixing the dough for a pumpkin pie with the mill.
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[16:09:47] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBw25CrUS-o 'night hacking, telling no lies'
[16:10:17] <ganzuul> fenn: Dunno. It was on hackaday.
[16:10:40] <enleth> A standard mixer beater should fit nicely in a collet.
[16:11:00] <fenn> it's a pretty piece of electronics for sure
[16:11:12] <enleth> But lack of a rotary table would hinder mixing effectiveness.
[16:11:18] <ganzuul> Cheap!
[16:11:42] <SpeedEvil> enleth: extruding mixer.
[16:12:31] <fenn> i wonder what the maximum size iron crucible would be for 1000W of induction input
[16:12:46] <SpeedEvil> fenn: that depends if you go vacuum.
[16:12:49] <fenn> maybe it makes more sense to just make an arc furnace
[16:13:14] <fenn> someone invent a wireless heat pump!
[16:15:16] <enleth> fenn: it's already there.
[16:15:27] <enleth> It's called induction heating.
[16:16:57] <SpeedEvil> http://orig09.deviantart.net/bb8b/f/2013/289/a/2/double_doge_bagel__by_marjakike-d6qobjy.jpg - why I need a 3d food printer.
[16:18:06] <fenn> ssi that HP ad is incredible, how does it even exist in this universe
[16:18:26] <Jymmm> ssi: CAN YOU FEEL THE POWER! I knew that you could =)
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[16:19:21] <Jymmm> enleth: When I hear shit like that, it just enforces why I will NEVER set foot in a 'hackerspace' even more.
[16:20:34] <lair82> pcw_home, I looked at every thing in the bios, "wake" related, and it is all disabled, I removed the wireless pci card, and tried it again, and it still restarts. Could the bios need updated?
[16:20:59] <enleth> Jymmm: what
[16:21:00] <Jymmm> lair82: Is there a BIOS update available?
[16:21:19] <Jymmm> lair82: Looked at the release notes?
[16:22:13] <lair82> I am not sure, and I'm not at the machine now to see what the current bios is to look it up.
[16:22:35] <lair82> I will have to look at it when I get back to the machine in about and hour
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[16:23:10] <enleth> Jymmm: care to elaborate?
[16:23:12] <Jymmm> lair82: what brand mobo?
[16:23:18] <Roguish> lair82: check the battery.
[16:23:38] <lair82> Asrock H97M Pro4
[16:23:46] <Roguish> also, any jumpers on the board for BIOS setting/access ???
[16:25:40] <Jymmm> lair82:
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2494397/asrock-h97m-pro4-system-turns-times.html
[16:27:52] <enleth> I guess not. Well, that's rude. As is making sweeping generalizations about people one doesn't know.
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[16:34:44] <malcom2073_> enleth: It's easier to insult, than to educate
[16:37:06] <enleth> malcom2073_: I can see that.
[16:37:44] <pcw_home> lair82: it looks like you need to turn off "Smart connect"
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[17:01:32] <lair82> Ok, heading back down there now, I will see what I have "Smart connect" set to first,
[17:04:19] <ssi> fenn: I KNOW RIGHT
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[17:04:39] <mutilator> hey guys, any recommendations on a bit for gummy metals? i've tried this
https://www.2linc.com/engraving/tough_tip_AL_1-4.htm but it seems to push lots of metal to the edge of the engraved area so it's full of burs, it doesnt cleanly cut it
[17:05:28] <cradek> what metal and what diameter cutter and what spindle speed?
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[17:06:43] <mutilator> tried aluminum and nickle, just think of those cheapo pendants
[17:07:00] <mutilator> cutter is a 1/4" shaft .01" tip
[17:07:16] <mutilator> 60 degree
[17:07:28] <cradek> oh so you're engraving, barely cutting
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[17:07:32] <mutilator> yea
[17:07:36] <cradek> I predict your spindle speed is wayyyy too slow
[17:07:52] <tiwork> you want uber high speed
[17:07:56] <archivist> and the cutter not sharp enough
[17:08:02] <tiwork> 10,000RPM+
[17:08:06] <mutilator> so probly just too slow
[17:08:07] <mutilator> yea
[17:08:22] <cradek> what speed are you using?
[17:09:02] <mutilator> it's just a dewalt tile router
[17:09:08] <mutilator> adjustable speed but i cant tell what speed it is
[17:09:11] <tiwork> squirting some WD40, or some other thin lubercation on the surface will help
[17:09:15] <cradek> turn it up all the way
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[17:09:19] <mutilator> ~70% seemed to leave the least amount of materal
[17:09:38] <maxcnc> tiwork: but it also stinks #
[17:09:38] <cradek> yeah, try cutting under a little puddle of WD40
[17:09:47] <mutilator> i'll give that a try tiwork
[17:09:58] <cradek> what kind of aluminum? some are super gummy
[17:10:04] <archivist> lubricant fo r sticky metal to help stop built up edge and rubbing
[17:10:40] <tiwork> I work with a lot of copper and aluminum... they are pretty darn gummy... lol
[17:11:29] <mutilator> yea i had an old copper heatsink i've tried doing tests with
[17:11:44] <mutilator> didnt know if a different bit might help too
[17:12:02] <maxcnc> copper needs nly fresh sharpen tools with special angel
[17:12:23] <maxcnc> also inserts are for copper available
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[17:12:42] <archivist> razor sharp, half hearted sharp need not apply
[17:12:53] <Erant> Hmm, do the people from Mesa ever frequent this channel?
[17:12:56] <tiwork> yeah
[17:13:11] <maxcnc> Erant: just ask
[17:13:13] <tiwork> the kind of sharp you get cuts from when you look at it wrong
[17:13:25] <maxcnc> Erant: lots of us using this stuff
[17:13:35] <tiwork> http://www.robertsonprecision.com/SHEAR_GEOMETRY%C2%AE
[17:13:46] <tiwork> thats my favorite lathe tool for copper and aluminum
[17:13:49] <archivist> tiwake, had two of those cuts on tuesday
[17:13:51] <Erant> Oh, it's more that I called them last week about my order, and they said the 7i78 I ordered still needed to be tested.
[17:13:58] <Erant> Which they'd get to this week
[17:14:13] <Erant> But now they're not picking up the phone (and my order's still just 'Pending')
[17:14:14] <maxcnc> ask pcw on this
[17:14:24] <Erant> pcw_home: Ping?
[17:14:34] <mutilator> like what specifically?
[17:14:41] <mutilator> this is just to get my wife to use the CNC
[17:14:48] <mutilator> she does metal charm stamping stuff
[17:15:01] <mutilator> she wanted to mill other designs than what she can stamp
[17:15:05] <Erant> PCW: and a ping here :)
[17:15:42] <maxcnc> mutilator: build here a own one as i did
[17:15:59] <maxcnc> a little one beside the home cooking mashine
[17:16:13] <mutilator> maxcnc: perhaps but i want to buy a laser too
[17:16:16] <mutilator> :P
[17:16:22] <maxcnc> 250x250x350mm
[17:16:34] <tiwork> archivist: you happen to know about anodizing?
[17:16:49] <maxcnc> but dont forget larger then a microwave or oven door
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[17:17:15] <Jymmm> lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSY3VuhCDZM
[17:17:20] <tiwork> I'm trying to decide if I need a salt to seal with or not
[17:17:23] <maxcnc> homebuild lasers are more cool
[17:17:26] <tiwork> and just use boiling water
[17:17:31] <archivist> tiwake, I worked at a place that did it but on other jobs not anodizing
[17:18:08] <tiwork> like if I put it in a nickle acetate bath or just hot water bath
[17:18:11] <Erant> maxcnc: I converted a LittleMachineShop micro mill to CNC (well, modulo the control card, obviously) and that's a nice little machine with a work surface that area.
[17:18:12] <maxcnc> mutilator: where are you in this "Blue" earth
[17:18:30] <archivist> tiwake, iirc it was just hot (boiling) they also rubbed lanolin into the surface after
[17:18:52] <tiwork> archivist: what is lanolin and what does that do?
[17:19:08] <mutilator> us, michigan
[17:19:10] <SpeedEvil> Lanolin waterproofs sheep
[17:19:12] <archivist> added to the finish lifetime
[17:19:17] <maxcnc> Erant: we buld about 70+ mashines that size for the University use
[17:19:40] <Erant> Ah, cool.
[17:19:49] <maxcnc> mutilator: im in europ
[17:19:57] <tiwork> oh ok, so a waxy thing to help lifetime
[17:20:12] <maxcnc> neer the Jon deer Harvester build side
[17:21:08] <mutilator> there are some $1600 ebay(china) lasers i'd like to give a shot
[17:21:40] <maxcnc> there are mor and better ones in the USA for some money more
[17:22:07] <maxcnc> why dident you just ask at michigan State universety for a beam
[17:22:17] <mutilator> heh
[17:22:25] <mutilator> we have one here where i work
[17:22:26] <maxcnc> laser tube
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[17:22:38] <mutilator> and people keep telling me i should just use this one
[17:22:42] <mutilator> but i want it AT HOME
[17:23:05] <maxcnc> what is your professin at work
[17:23:20] <archivist> tiwake note it was 40 years ago :)
[17:23:24] <maxcnc> Toolmaker latheman steel ..
[17:23:25] <mutilator> internal IT/Development
[17:23:29] <andypugh> Bother! I bought a 6i24 with a low-profile bracket but I should have got a high-profile one. Only $3 from Mesa, + $51 shipping.
[17:23:49] <maxcnc> mutilator: so you dont have access to building mashines
[17:23:55] <mutilator> yea i do
[17:24:06] <mutilator> we dont have anything crazy here, just an engraver
[17:24:18] <mutilator> basically like the $1600 machine except costs more cause it wasnt made in china
[17:24:28] <maxcnc> so get a good used tube for 100 Dollar and build your mashine around
[17:24:58] <maxcnc> 80W co is alover
[17:25:29] <maxcnc> that cuts 4mm plywood or 3mm PMMA
[17:25:31] <tiwork> andypugh: also, I'm looking for a good aluminum cleaner/deoxidizer... know of any?
[17:25:36] <tiwork> erm
[17:25:44] <tiwork> wrong person
[17:25:48] <tiwork> archivist ^
[17:25:49] <andypugh> I thought as much
[17:26:00] <mutilator> yea max, i've thought about it
[17:26:06] <andypugh> Easy mistake to make, but I am the tall handsome one.
[17:26:26] <tiwork> andypugh: you can throw in your opinion too! I'll take all of them that I can get XD
[17:26:35] <archivist> I claim to be fugly
[17:26:45] <tiwork> lol
[17:26:54] <maxcnc> mutilator: i only asked at the Universety Mechanics and they got 4x 200W in a box
[17:27:07] <andypugh> I only claim to be tall and handsome on the internet. I don’t get away with it in person.
[17:27:23] <tiwork> andypugh: context is I am setting up anodizing for my first time, one of the things I need is a good aluminum cleaner.
[17:27:29] <maxcnc> mutilator: they work most on the far end noone of us woudt go
[17:27:50] <maxcnc> so they got stuff that is out of order
[17:28:03] <andypugh> I am afraid I always take the easy way out and pay the local anodiser £10. (it is always £10, regardless of quantity or size of parts)
[17:28:04] <archivist> tiwake, the process hase cleaning/stripping of the old oxide anyway
[17:30:01] <tiwork> there is this,
http://www.caswellplating.com/anodizing-products/anodizing-accessories/aluminum-deoxidizer-desmut-1-quart.html
[17:30:10] <tiwork> but I'm not sure if I should look for something else
[17:31:05] <mutilator> oh..
[17:31:12] <mutilator> so the other things.. the wd-40 recommendation
[17:31:29] <tiwork> wd40 works well because its really thin
[17:31:43] <mutilator> the way i secure the charm to the surface to mill is put a piece of clear packing tape over the metal
[17:31:50] <mutilator> maybe thats why it's not clearing the stuff
[17:32:01] <mutilator> i dont know why it didnt occur to me until now
[17:32:19] <tiwork> wait, over the entire surface?
[17:32:23] <mutilator> heh yea
[17:32:25] <tiwork> (lol)
[17:32:43] <tiwork> yeah, wanna talk about gummy... plastic with glue on it?
[17:32:59] <archivist> andypugh, did you fix your dropped probe?
[17:32:59] <mutilator> yea, i didnt figure it'd affect the metal
[17:33:04] <mutilator> but it probably is
[17:33:13] <tiwork> it certainly is
[17:33:15] <tiwork> lol
[17:33:30] <mutilator> i need to make some sort of mask to clamp it down
[17:33:49] <archivist> you will be causing re cutting of the chips if they cannot be cleared
[17:34:18] <andypugh> archivist: The broken rods were still _just_ long enough to work, so I put it back together with the remains.
[17:34:20] <mutilator> was the simplest solution to secure it down
[17:34:26] <mutilator> need to figure out another way
[17:35:01] <archivist> andypugh, I wondered if you would just make new rods :)
[17:35:47] <andypugh> Plan B was broken 3mm carbide milling cutters.
[17:36:00] <andypugh> Of which I have quite a stock
[17:36:17] <archivist> I want to get into my TP2 probe to clean contacts
[17:36:33] <maxcnc> andypugh: 50pices are most to best price buy
[17:36:59] <archivist> sometimes does not re arm properly
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[17:39:29] <maxcnc> question now the 7i76E is available in Europ is this also supported in the 2.8 master
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[17:40:11] <andypugh> maxcnc: Probably :-)
[17:40:42] <maxcnc> andypugh: on my question or part price
[17:41:19] <maxcnc> the answer you gave to the posting
[17:41:20] <andypugh> The 7i76E. I would expect it to work, and if not I would expect it to work soon.
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[17:41:49] <PCW> the 7I76E is supported by 2.7
[17:41:59] <maxcnc> Thanks
[17:42:59] <andypugh> Video proof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg-ZH-gYd7w
[17:44:59] <skunkworks> awesome!
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[17:45:36] <maxcnc> ok now he needs to give the info on how he did or how it works pcw anonced maybe out of the box just plug and play
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[17:46:30] <maxcnc> but i think some drivers must be somewhere but im not that pro on Eth
[17:46:55] <skunkworks> it works pretty much the same as any other mesa cards.. You just need to setup the ip address of the nic..
[17:47:08] <lair82_> PCW just gotback, Smart Connect is disabled, guess i need to deal withit for now, I saw a bunch of posts about this on the web
[17:47:30] <lair82_> *with it*
[17:48:05] <Erant> PCW: Any word on the testing of the 7i78 boards?
[17:52:26] <PCW> we have tested 7I78s but are at least a few weeks behind in shipping store orders
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[17:54:32] <andypugh> maxcnc: There are some out-of-date nstructions here.
http://linuxcncg0704.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/g0704-mesa-7i76e.html You can certainly skip the compiling LinuxCNC part. And you can probably also skip compiling the kernel, as I think that is available as a package.
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[18:00:10] <Nick001-shop> Using a 10,000 ufd 100vdc capacitor across a 48vdc power supply for a servo, what size resister and how many watts should I be using to discharge it?
[18:00:38] <Erant> That depends on how long you want it to take.
[18:02:04] <andypugh> I know that with 300V and about the same capacitance it turns out to be a crazy amont of power, so I set up a crowbar relay instead.
[18:03:40] <Erant> It is, you can slowly discharge it through ~100 Ohms which initially would give you an amp of current or about 100W
[18:04:14] <Nick001-shop> Trying to keep it simple - just across the cap to discharge it quickly when I turn it off.
[18:05:03] <Erant> If you don't mind it taking a minute or so to discharge, 1k ohm would work.
[18:05:07] <archivist> define quickly
[18:05:37] <maxcnc> andypugh: thanks
[18:06:12] <andypugh> If RC = 1 second then R = 100 (as mentioned) and power is 25W
[18:06:40] <andypugh> So, a 25W 100R would work. But would be warm and wasteful.
[18:07:00] <Nick001-shop> Will that work for a 10-15 amp supply?
[18:07:04] <andypugh> (In my scenario the same calculation was 900W !
[18:07:07] <Erant> andypugh: There's a higher peak power though. Initially, when the thing is charged at 100VDC and there's a 100R load there'll be a 1A current.
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[18:07:25] <maxcnc> andypugh: pncconf got it all setup
[18:07:25] <andypugh> Erant: He said 48V
[18:07:33] <Erant> Oh herp
[18:07:51] <Erant> Yeah, what andy said then.
[18:07:52] <andypugh> (100V cap, which is an elephant)
[18:08:22] <archivist> dont use too low a resistor unless you have a relay
[18:08:35] <Erant> But you won't need a 25W 100R resistor. You can probably get away with something smaller as the ratings on resistors are specced for continuous load.
[18:08:43] <Erant> This'd be peak load.
[18:08:44] <andypugh> Yeah, 100V is 100W, 300V is 900W. As the voltage goes up it gets crazy quickly
[18:09:01] <archivist> no relay is continuous :)
[18:09:24] <andypugh> Erant: If it is permanently conected it needs to be 25W
[18:09:44] <maxcnc> im off BYE
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[18:09:57] <Erant> I thought this was just for discharging? You'd only connect it when you're discharging. Otherwise you've got yourself a nice space heater.
[18:09:58] <archivist> or wait longer for discharge and use a higher value
[18:10:26] <Erant> Put on a NC relay and you're done.
[18:10:40] <andypugh> My impression was that it would be permanently connected. It was my 300V supply where the relay was inportant
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[18:10:59] <archivist> most thing use a higher value and a label on the outside to wait a minute
[18:11:02] <Erant> Fair enough. Seems a little wasteful.
[18:12:11] <andypugh> Incidentally, if your relay welds shut and you put mains voltage across a 25W 100R for long enough, then the resistor explodes with enough force to punch the ends through aluminium:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/PSU#
[18:12:16] <malcom2073_> My servo cage power supply has a 20W resistor permanently connected, it does get quite toasty
[18:13:17] <archivist> I had a few explode on one of my vfd's
[18:13:52] <andypugh> Until then I thought that exploding was only a capacitor habit
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[18:14:02] <archivist> but they were the braking resistors, exploded one day when I switched on
[18:15:06] <Sync> well, you gotta have a relay that is rated for dc cutoff
[18:15:10] <Sync> which is an issue
[18:16:00] <andypugh> Yes, quite. My problem was turning the PSU off then on again before the caps had discharged. I now have a timer on emc-enable-in
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[18:16:31] <andypugh> (which is actually a daft way, as the Mesa 8i20 cards report bus voltage to HAL, so I could interlock on that)
[18:16:39] <Erant> andypugh: Hot damn, must've vaporized something inside the resistor.
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[18:19:06] <Sync> nah, if they get hot enough they do that
[18:20:09] <Erant> Something has to pressurize inside. Can't imagine there being a lot of air inside a resistor to expand.
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[18:23:38] <tiwork> Erant: the material of the resistor vaporizing
[18:24:42] <Erant> Right.
[18:25:34] <tiwork> andypugh: nice explosion
[18:25:37] <tiwork> lol
[18:25:59] <tiwork> I had some power transistors explode from the back of my mill before
[18:26:20] <tiwork> a PAL chip went bad and told the forward and reverse power transistors to turn on at the same time
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[18:27:36] <Erant> On a totally unrelated topic, I'm planning on replacing the steel trapezoidal nuts on my mill with some delrin anti backlash ones. My screws are TR12x2 and no commercial ones exist, so I ordered a tap and am making my own. How much pressure should the two parts of the nuts exert on each other?
[18:28:08] <Erant> Trying to figure out which springs to get.
[18:29:31] <cradek> ideally just a little more than your maximum cutting force
[18:29:56] <cradek> make an adjustable system if at all possible
[18:30:03] <Erant> That's sort of what I figured.
[18:30:11] <Erant> I was going to make an auto-adjusting one.
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[18:30:16] <cradek> compress the spring more by giving one half of it a twist, and then pin it in place somehow
[18:31:40] <cradek> or is the springiness radial? that's how mine are
[18:31:52] <cradek> pushing the thread of the nut down into the screw thread
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[18:32:31] <FinboySlick> lathe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Ok0LQx0Uc
[18:32:34] <Erant> I have a couple of options. Two, really. Either torsion springs or extension/compression springs.
[18:32:45] <Erant> I don't particularly care for the torsion option myself.
[18:33:16] <Erant> Even though it'd be more compact.
[18:35:00] <malcom2073_> Heh rotor shaft, or axle
[18:35:04] <malcom2073_> not sure, some kind of hunk of metal though
[18:35:34] <FinboySlick> Looks like a forging to me, which isn't too bad considering the size.
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[18:41:45] <andypugh> Erant: Some folks have had good results from melting delrin round a section of screw to make a perfect fit
[18:42:49] <andypugh> Big forging, and it’s going to take weeks to machine it, even on that lathe.
[18:44:31] <andypugh> 2 machinist, 5 spectators :-)
[18:45:02] <Praesmeodymium> I see delrin and pom nuts and wasnt convinced plastics would survive milling forces... but i guess I was worried for naught
[18:45:47] <andypugh> To be honest, ballscrews are now so cheap I don’t see a reason not to switch, except that ball nuts won’t always fit
[18:46:29] <Erant> andypugh: Yeah, I've seen those... I'd rather engineer it properly for wear adjustment.
[18:46:32] <CaptHindsight> somebody asked for a quote for a SLA printer the size of that lathe for printing urethane cylinders
[18:46:48] <andypugh> Sounds like fun
[18:47:04] <Erant> Right, I was thinking about ball nuts but I'd have to add gearing to my servos.
[18:47:07] <CaptHindsight> 1.5m dia and 7m between centers
[18:47:15] <andypugh> I reckon that is neither a shaft or an axle. I think it is a roll
[18:47:55] <Erant> My current screws are like 20TPI. Ball nuts are like 5, and my servos don't have enough torque for that.
[18:48:03] <CaptHindsight> I'd like to see what that roll is when its finished
[18:49:07] <andypugh> Erant: Friction is so much less with ball nuts that you might be OK
[18:50:11] <Erant> andypugh: Hmm. I'd have some wicked rapids ;)
[18:50:13] <andypugh> 12mm 12(ish) tpi:
http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/mechanical-products/ballscrews/c5-ballscrews/miniature-ballscrews/r1202-c5-ballscrew-4718.html
[18:51:01] <CaptHindsight> it would be funny if they used a 1m dia dial indicator to center that part :)
[18:52:33] <andypugh> Centering it probably took days. It isn’t round, so there is a fair bot of surveying needed to make sure you don’t miss a bit.
[18:53:03] <Erant> andypugh: Huh. That's actually interesting.
[18:53:31] <Erant> I just need the end of the shaft ground down to 8mm and that'd be that.
[18:54:05] <andypugh> If you have a lathe then machining ballscrew isn’t that difficult. A CBN insert helps.
[18:54:47] <andypugh> Your problem would be fitting the nut in. Make sure you can do that before comitting. Ball nuts are pretty big
[18:59:32] <Erant> I have a reasonable amount of space, let me measure.
[18:59:51] <andypugh> Right, time to paint patterns.
[19:08:47] <Erant> The Y slide would work just fine (1 1/4" of clearance) the X slide would need to be modified a little to sink the nut.
[19:09:02] <JT-Shop> rats, my rat trap killed a chipmunk
[19:09:21] <Erant> JT-Shop: Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs? :/
[19:11:07] <Erant> andypugh: So it'd work, I just need to find someone to mill a pocket into my slide. That can wait though.
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[19:48:04] <PetefromTn_> happiness is coming home from work on a friday to a big box of new toolholders and collets :D
[19:52:59] <JT-Shop> happiness is figuring out where I screwed up my code or the rain stopping so I can work on the siding
[19:53:41] <PetefromTn_> heh that too..
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[20:00:28] <jdh> happiness is unloading buckets of sharks teeth
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[20:01:07] <Akex_> andypugh: do you try machinekit ?
[20:01:59] <andypugh> Akex_: Not since it became Machinekit
[20:02:31] <Akex_> Ok because X over ssh is very slow
[20:02:56] <Akex_> I want ask it's just for me or for all
[20:03:08] <andypugh> Erant: I milled a pocket in my slide using the mill itself. I had to use some ingenuity as only two axes were working.
[20:03:46] <jdh> http://imgur.com/QP7nrJw
[20:04:47] <andypugh> jdh: FLint arrowheads?
[20:05:43] <jdh> meg teeth
[20:07:41] <PetefromTn_> naah
[20:08:14] <andypugh> Presumably not all worth as much as the ones advertised here?
https://www.fossilera.com/fossils/sharp-glossy-5-75-megalodon-tooth
[20:08:58] <jdh> http://imgur.com/4oZFAZI
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[20:09:52] <jdh> pete: I have better ones than that
[20:10:01] <jdh> err... andy
[20:10:11] <jdh> but, not all.
[20:10:21] <PetefromTn_> Im sure you do...
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[20:11:13] <jdh> in an hour or two, I won't have any.
[20:13:05] <jdh> I sell them to a wholesale guy though. individual retail is a pain
[20:15:44] <andypugh> Is that the only part of the shark that survives? I guess having no bones they didn’t fossilise well.
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[20:29:39] <Akex_> How the 7I76 have a 48 i/o with one db25 ? I dont understan that
[20:30:05] <ssi> multiplexing
[20:30:30] <Akex_> Ok ssi
[20:30:55] <ssi> more specifically, something called smartserial
[20:30:57] <Akex_> If i have a 5i25 how say a this card, do a multiplexing ?
[20:31:00] <PetefromTn_> its all about the magical MESANET Trons!!
[20:31:31] <ssi> there's 17 pins on the db25 that carry io, most of them are your step/dir lines, but a couple are a high speed serial link
[20:31:50] <Akex_> With a special firmware ?
[20:31:56] <ssi> the serial data carries over to the field IO processor, which sets/reads the state of the IO pins and communicates back to the fpga on the 5i25 via 2.5mbit serial
[20:32:32] <malcom2073_> Akex_: Yes X over ssh is very slow
[20:32:45] <Akex_> I undersatand how comunicate
[20:32:46] <malcom2073_> You can disable the Axis backplot to help it a bit
[20:32:57] <malcom2073_> I use tkemc, since it responds much quicker over ssh
[20:33:09] <Akex_> malcom2073_: just x over ssh or the BBB is very slow ?
[20:33:13] <malcom2073_> Akex_: Both
[20:33:28] <Akex_> Very sad malcom2073_
[20:33:35] <andypugh> Akex_: The spec for smart-serial is in the back of the 5i25 manual.
[20:33:56] <malcom2073_> Yep, that's kinda why I only use machinekit for my printer. It would annoy me to no end to try and use for my mill, due to the lack of responsiveness
[20:34:03] <Akex_> Ok andy i will read that
[20:34:37] <malcom2073_> Akex_: Try some of the remote control applications they have now
[20:34:39] <malcom2073_> machineface or whatnot?
[20:34:39] <Akex_> Ok malcom2073_ ...
[20:34:47] <malcom2073_> Rather than running X over ssh, run it completly headless
[20:35:23] <Akex_> For the moment i try how it work malcom2073_
[20:35:45] <Akex_> And how config
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[20:36:11] <malcom2073_> Unfortunatly, the BBB is the right hardware for the job, Linux on the other hand is not the right software for the job.
[20:36:34] <malcom2073_> brb
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[20:37:05] <Wolf_> jdh: those look like some big ones...
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[20:43:18] <malcom2073_> Wolf_:
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/t31.0-8/12032861_1153006414713738_8010784064394768845_o.jpg
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[20:43:25] <malcom2073_> MacGalempsy: ^^
[20:43:41] <malcom2073_> Blew a hole through my spacer by re-tightening the set screw, without checking that the pully was in the right spot heh
[20:43:55] <Wolf_> lol
[20:44:04] <MacGalempsy> I saw that photo yesterday and was wondering what it was all about
[20:44:16] <MacGalempsy> is that an aluminum spacer?
[20:44:20] <malcom2073_> It is heh
[20:44:27] <MacGalempsy> :/
[20:44:36] <malcom2073_> Eh, it's strong enough in compression
[20:44:54] <malcom2073_> It's only a spacer anyway, no power is transmitted through it, that's what the set screw goes through it for
[20:44:55] <Wolf_> still somewhat torn on what to do on that VN mill
[20:45:01] <MacGalempsy> im drawing up the plans for a new roof...
[20:45:12] <malcom2073_> VN mill?
[20:45:19] <Wolf_> van norton
[20:45:45] <Wolf_> Its a 50V taper in the spindle
[20:46:10] <malcom2073_> Is that the huge rusty one in the trash bin?
[20:46:18] <Wolf_> nope
[20:46:29] <Wolf_> $500 on craigslist
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[20:46:37] <malcom2073_> Ohhh
[20:46:57] <malcom2073_> They're beefy aren't they?
[20:47:10] <Wolf_> http://imgur.com/a/kNpN7 its a 22LU
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[20:47:55] <malcom2073_> whew, that's big and rusty anyway heh
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[20:48:17] <Wolf_> 3000lbs
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[20:48:24] <malcom2073_> That's what mine weighs, not bad
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[20:50:19] <malcom2073_> Ripe for a CNC conversion and cleanup
[20:50:26] <malcom2073_> Ways all surface rusted, or actually pitted?
[20:50:34] <Wolf_> just surface
[20:50:43] <malcom2073_> Nice
[20:50:54] <Wolf_> but that spindle taper…
[20:50:57] <malcom2073_> Evaporust soaked paper towels for 24 hours and 4 ought steel wool cleans that right up
[20:51:04] <malcom2073_> Yeah thems expensive collets heh
[20:51:20] <malcom2073_> Any tooling come with it?
[20:51:33] <Wolf_> just whats in the spindle lol
[20:51:38] <malcom2073_> Ew
[20:51:43] <malcom2073_> I'd argue him down to $300 and take it
[20:51:53] <malcom2073_> "I'm not paying more than a single collet is worth"
[20:51:56] <Wolf_> hard to do
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[20:52:37] <Wolf_> some dumbass will buy it for $500 and then not know what to do with it
[20:52:47] <malcom2073_> lol
[20:52:54] <Wolf_> or.. hmm
[20:53:17] <Wolf_> buy it and part out all the guts for 2x-3x what was paid
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[20:57:28] <malcom2073_> Oooo that's not a bad idea either
[20:57:33] <malcom2073_> The guts worth that much?
[20:57:42] <malcom2073_> I've often thought about buying/parting machines
[20:57:49] <Wolf_> well, not many parts on eBay for them
[20:57:50] <malcom2073_> however after moving my mill around, I think I'm gonna keep my weight limit to 1500lbs
[20:58:03] <XXCoder> malcom2073_: or buy a forklift
[20:58:06] <XXCoder> used one
[20:58:10] <malcom2073_> XXCoder: No room :-D I'd like to though
[20:58:11] <XXCoder> fix it up and all that
[20:58:29] <Wolf_> rent a bay in my shop :P
[20:58:34] <malcom2073_> Hah
[20:58:40] <Wolf_> … if I had a empty one
[20:58:51] <malcom2073_> I have a 20x40 pole barn, if I could afford a bay in your shop, I could afford to finish the floor :P
[20:58:59] <XXCoder> malcom2073_: got easy solution once you invent and design it.. time lord's "inside is bigger" tech.
[20:59:09] <malcom2073_> XXCoder: I'll work on that and let you know
[20:59:25] <XXCoder> thanks I need more room in my room. maybe more rooms in my room.
[20:59:36] <malcom2073_> There's a xibit meme somewhere about that
[21:00:02] <Praesmeodymium> ggoole earth has a tardis on it
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[21:00:49] <Praesmeodymium> its smaller on the outtside
[21:01:11] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:13:48] <tiwork> why is red dye more expensive?
[21:14:11] <XXCoder> its made from blood of very rare animal
[21:14:56] <Praesmeodymium> it used to be made from a toxic ehavy metl, I suspect finding the non cadmium version took some effort
[21:15:16] <XXCoder> and/or major hunting heh
[21:17:02] <tiwork> http://www.caswellplating.com/deep-red-anodizing-dye-4-oz.html
[21:17:15] <tiwork> compared to $15 for every other color
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[21:17:42] <XXCoder> purple used to be royal color only
[21:17:48] <XXCoder> because it was so hard to get
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[21:18:08] <XXCoder> red was easy because like Praesmeodymium says
[21:18:13] <XXCoder> but yeah
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[21:19:35] <Praesmeodymium> XXCoder: your not an anachronist are ya? most people dont know much about the colors fo heralgry
[21:19:47] <Praesmeodymium> heraldry*
[21:19:56] <XXCoder> nah I know a lot about history
[21:20:04] <tiwork> why would purple be hard to get?
[21:20:12] <XXCoder> its not now
[21:20:14] <Praesmeodymium> used to be only from seashells
[21:20:36] <tiwork> and where is the major source for purple these days? XD
[21:20:43] <Praesmeodymium> chem labs
[21:20:56] <Praesmeodymium> oil based most likely
[21:21:28] <XXCoder> heh reminds me of that old dinsour sitcom
[21:21:36] <XXCoder> they was discussing medicine
[21:21:36] <Praesmeodymium> analine dyes were revolutionary
[21:21:40] <tiwork> www.caswellplating.com/violet-ds-anodizing-dye-4-oz.html isnt oil based...
[21:21:45] <XXCoder> doctor takes out bottle of orange liquid
[21:22:08] <XXCoder> said massive team of scientists found it by research
[21:22:22] <XXCoder> guy asks whats it, and doc says "it's orange!"
[21:22:25] <XXCoder> :P
[21:22:37] <tiwork> heh
[21:22:51] <Praesmeodymium> I think you misunderstood my intended meaning, being derived from oil as in oil based is not the same as based in oil solution
[21:23:08] <XXCoder> that dad brings it to wife, she asks whats it, and he says "it's orange!"
[21:23:27] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: nah just slightly unrelated. man havent thought about that old sitcom for years.
[21:23:54] <XXCoder> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaurs_%28TV_series%29
[21:24:08] <Praesmeodymium> heh I should preface my sentences, I remember seein gthe pilot of that dino show and thinking I want my 30 minutes back
[21:24:33] <tiwork> XXCoder: makes me think of an orange stereolithography resin
[21:24:35] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: well 90s and deaf you take what captioned tv shows you can
[21:24:37] <tiwork> for some reason
[21:24:52] <XXCoder> otherwise its adlib games :P
[21:25:32] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/shop/Siding01.jpg
[21:26:25] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: one of stuff I liked is they sometimes show the "current day" humans finding artifacts from that sitcom era
[21:26:42] <XXCoder> "theres dinsours sitting around pointed to that box"
[21:26:52] <XXCoder> tstone tv :P
[21:31:04] <Akex_> With 5i25 we need a good latensy test or not ?
[21:31:49] <tiwork> where is petefromTn?
[21:32:07] <tiwork> he is supposed to be here answering my anodizing questions :P
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[22:08:46] <andypugh> Akex_: Even the 5i25 needs better than about 100uS latency
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[22:27:25] <skunkworks> hmmm - pcw has said that with dpll - you can have latencies up to 500us
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[22:41:52] <andypugh> Well, believe him not me, but that seems a lot
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[22:54:47] <Akex_> Thx andy
[22:54:53] <XXCoder> hm
[22:55:01] <XXCoder> noticed fur dont come in anymore. wonder why
[22:55:28] <Wolf_> I think thats zeeshan’s fault lol
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[22:59:47] <XXCoder> [03:28:20] <furrywolf> well, if I'm not helping others, and I'm not needing help for my own mill, not much point in being here.
[22:59:54] <XXCoder> that was last time she said anything
[22:59:58] <XXCoder> 10/11
[23:00:24] <XXCoder> [03:24:41] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i would appreciate if you stop helping me
[23:00:34] <XXCoder> Wolf_: youre probably correct
[23:09:53] <jdh> I thought all the *wolf were the same person?
[23:10:26] <Tom_itx> don't think so
[23:10:44] <Wolf_> nope
[23:10:45] <Praesmeodymium> no lol there was some conversation about that afaik they are all different
[23:11:31] <Wolf_> well, Wolf_Mill/Crsh (must have got knocked offline) is me...
[23:12:01] <jdh> I no longer have meg teeth
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[23:17:13] <XXCoder> jdh: hardly
[23:18:15] <PCW> 500 usec is OK on a 1 KHz thread:
[23:18:16] <PCW> If the stepgen position and encoder readings are sampled on time (via the DPLL) , latencies just cause delays
[23:18:18] <PCW> in the write which only causes minor second order errors in velocity mode servos (which includes the stepgen)
[23:20:47] <XXCoder> probably not safe for work (dunno as not captioned)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzBHA7QxJEs
[23:20:56] <XXCoder> looks like actor for baby got pissed off
[23:21:07] <XXCoder> and people who control face kept at at
[23:21:08] <XXCoder> it
[23:21:29] <PCW> Delays cause errors proportional to acceleration and could be completely eliminated by re-timing
[23:21:31] <PCW> the velocity writes, but the errors are so small with normal accelerations that I have not bothered
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[23:54:57] <zeeshan> hi all
[23:54:59] <zeeshan> hows everyone :D
[23:55:20] <XXCoder> looks like you bumped fur off for good
[23:55:21] <zeeshan> i didnt know my comment would make him go away
[23:55:24] <zeeshan> wasn't my intentions.
[23:55:55] <XXCoder> intentions well things dont always happen according to that
[23:56:18] <zeeshan> just told him simplfi i don't need his help
[23:56:26] <zeeshan> cause whenever he helps, he rubbed it in my face
[23:56:29] <zeeshan> don't need that shit
[23:56:40] <zeeshan> o well
[23:56:50] <zeeshan> ironically, i wanted to discuss some electronics tonight :P
[23:56:58] <zeeshan> i've been studying the electrical schematics for my servo drives
