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[00:24:22] <Contract_Pilot> PSU fun... 3 of the 7 fan's do not turn. https://youtu.be/Jk7nk2sRLCk
[00:26:29] <Praesmeodymium> this video is private
[00:26:34] <Contract_Pilot> 31V http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Fan-is-12V-PSU-30V-3V-Output-e1445387169440-576x1024.jpg
[00:27:00] <Contract_Pilot> try it now.
[00:27:00] <Praesmeodymium> is that a "48v"
[00:27:17] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, I had 4 of one type and 3 of another.
[00:27:50] <renesis> whats the fan circuit?
[00:27:51] <Contract_Pilot> the 3 of that type = dead fans unless there is a temp sensor that
[00:27:54] <renesis> maybe it has a drop resistor
[00:28:29] <Contract_Pilot> When on load it drops 31V to 3v
[00:28:34] <Praesmeodymium> that looks like the inside of the one I got alrighty
[00:29:12] <Praesmeodymium> whats the circuti in fronmt of the fan
[00:29:27] <Praesmeodymium> I wasnt smart enough didnt spend enough time ot sus it out
[00:29:42] <Contract_Pilot> the Other 4 are like this one. http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/48V-10A-PSU-1024x576.jpg
[00:30:47] <Contract_Pilot> My dummy load the PSU shuts down at 4-5A on the one the fans sont work on the bifier ones it holds at 10A
[00:30:59] <Contract_Pilot> Browns at 12-13A
[00:31:26] <Contract_Pilot> So 3 of the 7 are total POS!
[00:34:32] <Contract_Pilot> Need to go to shop and grab heat gun see if the fan activates with heat.
[00:35:17] <Tom_itx> just short the leads and see
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[00:42:33] <Contract_Pilot> Have to locate the sensor.
[00:42:42] <Contract_Pilot> may be on the small board.
[00:42:52] <Contract_Pilot> or under it.
[00:44:57] <PetefromTn_> jeez man fallin' behind on these orders LOL
[00:45:09] <zeeshan> good to hear!
[00:45:10] <zeeshan> :D
[00:45:14] <zeeshan> staying busy :D
[00:45:53] <PetefromTn_> well I am trying to do stuff for the race shop guys here and my own stuff so right now I am pretty busy
[00:46:11] <zeeshan> to be honest
[00:46:21] <zeeshan> im not taking any jobs in for the next 6 months
[00:46:23] <zeeshan> (winter)
[00:46:32] <zeeshan> i want to focus on my own product development
[00:46:34] <PetefromTn_> really why?
[00:46:38] <PetefromTn_> H
[00:46:39] <PetefromTn_> AH
[00:46:43] <PetefromTn_> thats cool
[00:46:48] <zeeshan> i literally dont have any time..
[00:46:51] <zeeshan> you know how it is
[00:46:57] <zeeshan> you work,, come home you eat, shit and sleep.
[00:46:57] <PetefromTn_> what kind of products are you going to be builidng
[00:46:59] <zeeshan> and machine
[00:47:00] <zeeshan> lol
[00:47:16] <PetefromTn_> most nights I am up til midnight out here LOL
[00:48:05] <zeeshan> i don't know what im going to build yet
[00:48:11] <zeeshan> thats why i need some time to think
[00:48:20] <zeeshan> me and my wifey are brainstorming together
[00:48:24] <zeeshan> on products that appeal to the masses
[00:48:32] <PetefromTn_> I figured you would be covered up with your new lathe retrofit
[00:48:35] <zeeshan> problems that exist and how to solve it
[00:48:49] <zeeshan> before i do the lathe, id like to finish the rx7
[00:48:57] <zeeshan> i need to spend a solid 3 weeks of work on it
[00:49:01] <zeeshan> mostly wiring... and downpipes
[00:49:04] <zeeshan> and its done
[00:49:08] <zeeshan> then ill work on lathe
[00:49:16] <zeeshan> but at a much slower pace than i did w/ the mill
[00:49:29] <zeeshan> i dunno how you stay up till midnight man
[00:49:38] <zeeshan> if i sleep past 11pm, i gotta be up for 5:30am
[00:49:39] <zeeshan> im toast
[00:49:43] <PetefromTn_> neither do I
[00:50:25] <zeeshan> when are you starting your lathe stuff?
[00:50:49] <PetefromTn_> honestly I don't have to be over at the other shop until 9am
[00:50:57] <PetefromTn_> so I don't really get up terribly early
[00:51:06] <PetefromTn_> but I do sometimes take the kids to school
[00:51:19] <zeeshan> what time does their school start
[00:51:40] <PetefromTn_> I dunno when I am going to start the lathe stuff really, well actually it is technically already started but I still need more cash for components
[00:51:46] <zeeshan> i couldnt believe it the other day when i was planning to move the lathe, i wanted to avoid school times. so i checked the schedules for local school
[00:51:50] <zeeshan> these guys start at 7:45am!!!
[00:51:54] <zeeshan> jeez!
[00:51:54] <PetefromTn_> like 6+45
[00:52:04] <zeeshan> wow
[00:52:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah sorry its 7:45
[00:52:19] <zeeshan> poor kids :P
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[00:52:48] <PetefromTn_> my youngest comes home, usually does her homework, and then crashes on the couch watching cartoons LOL
[00:53:24] <PetefromTn_> my wife has been helping me out in the shop deburring and finishing parts since I am kinda behind here
[00:53:31] <PetefromTn_> which is awesome
[00:53:45] <Tom_itx> slave labor
[00:53:58] <PetefromTn_> gotta crack the whip ;)
[00:54:05] <Sync> yeah zeeshan
[00:54:12] <Sync> them ungodly times
[00:54:34] <PetefromTn_> once the lathe is operational I will be needing her to help run the VMC on proven programs for me
[00:54:43] <PetefromTn_> so I can get the lathe making parts
[00:54:50] <PetefromTn_> that will be AWESOME!!
[00:54:59] <Tom_itx> gonna have your kids run it when it's done?
[00:55:13] <PetefromTn_> http://carbondale.craigslist.org/tls/5267114692.html decent deal here
[00:55:23] <PetefromTn_> heh no they are too small yet
[00:55:29] <Tom_itx> then get a ummm... plasma table... edm... laser...
[00:55:34] <PetefromTn_> but they do like to come out and help daddy sometimes LOL
[00:56:16] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx honestly man I would love nothing more than to have more machines and the ability to make enough cash here for my wife to work with me and quit her job....that would be beautiful
[00:56:19] <Contract_Pilot> The board by the fan is a temp sensor.
[00:56:27] <Tom_itx> once they figure out it's work they'll dissappear
[00:56:44] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: that would be SWEET
[00:56:44] <Contract_Pilot> Nice having a hakko 850 with tinny nozzles.
[00:56:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah maybe...I used to build high end cabinetry here and my wife and stepson used to help me with that too...
[00:57:55] <Contract_Pilot> But at high heat it only puts out 5V
[00:58:02] <PetefromTn_> I like the metal working better because the parts are typically much smaller and don't take up the whole shop like cabinets tended to do
[00:58:18] <Contract_Pilot> 12V Fan! A 5V fan would solve it I bet
[00:58:28] <Sync> making cabinets sounds like fun
[00:59:27] <PetefromTn_> Sync Honestly I quite enjoyed the custom cabinet work
[00:59:58] <PetefromTn_> but it is a lot more work overall and you are constantly lifting heavy cabinets,,, working with more dangerous machines I think as well...
[01:00:23] <PetefromTn_> I should know I did that for a living for almost 15 years
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[01:01:05] <Sync> yeah, I always want to design a lifting aid for strange parts
[01:01:19] <zeeshan> tis called
[01:01:20] <zeeshan> superman
[01:01:21] <zeeshan> :D
[01:01:24] <Sync> don't really know about how go about that
[01:01:34] <Sync> the gravity assist is easy
[01:01:42] <Sync> but the workholding, not so much
[01:01:46] <Praesmeodymium> Contract_Pilot: well that sounds useful, and not at all what was paid for, when I spend $11/2 on a 50$ thing I expect it to work !
[01:02:20] <PetefromTn_> they actually make lifts for cabinets that hold the thing while you screw it to the wall for wall cabinets
[01:02:54] <Praesmeodymium> damn I may need to go plug in my psa and see if its the same issue
[01:03:55] <Sync> well, the main app is lifting containers for mail sorting centers
[01:04:16] <PetefromTn_> that lathe I posted has a sweet looking retrofitted collet closer and a QCTP on it. Those two items would pay for the whole lathe LOL
[01:04:55] <zeeshan> offer 1200? :D
[01:05:15] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: how big is your garage?
[01:05:44] <PetefromTn_> not damn big enough LOL
[01:05:54] <PetefromTn_> its like 25.5x25.5 feet
[01:06:19] <PetefromTn_> why
[01:06:59] <zeeshan> curious
[01:07:06] <zeeshan> its bigger than mine :D
[01:07:14] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah
[01:07:15] <zeeshan> i really want to setup my mill like yours
[01:07:18] <zeeshan> i really like the setup.
[01:07:24] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean?
[01:07:32] <zeeshan> like how you got a toolbox right there
[01:07:34] <zeeshan> w/ the mat
[01:07:40] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah
[01:07:44] <zeeshan> and then a roller on the right
[01:07:59] <zeeshan> you need to get a stool :D
[01:08:20] <zeeshan> i looked into one of those steel stools
[01:08:20] <PetefromTn_> that is my tall roll around with all the machinists tools in it and I have a lowboy larger one with all my mechanical tools in it
[01:08:25] <zeeshan> w/ the cushion like you see at auto places
[01:08:28] <zeeshan> holy cow they're expensive
[01:08:30] <zeeshan> like 250$
[01:08:30] <PetefromTn_> I have like three stools in here hehe
[01:09:04] <zeeshan> do you park your truck in the garage?
[01:09:25] <PetefromTn_> I could but generally no
[01:09:39] <PetefromTn_> if I need to work on a car I bring it in here
[01:09:39] <jdh> that's a waste of garage space
[01:09:51] <zeeshan> cool
[01:09:53] <jdh> my wife parks in the garage :(
[01:10:00] <zeeshan> ive been planning a bigger shop
[01:10:04] <zeeshan> you know me.. master planner
[01:10:11] <PetefromTn_> if I get a sports car or project car I will probably keep it on the other side
[01:10:12] <zeeshan> it seems like i need around 2500sq ft to be comfy
[01:10:51] <zeeshan> that allows for a project car, boat project, mill, lathe, surface grinder, cylindrical grinder, plasma table, 3d printer
[01:11:00] <zeeshan> and a welding section
[01:11:17] <zeeshan> everyone keeps telling me that won't be enough
[01:11:20] <zeeshan> and ill want more.. ?
[01:11:33] <zeeshan> i can't think of other machines i'd ever want to get..
[01:11:41] <zeeshan> it'd be nice to get sheet metal stuff..
[01:12:48] <PetefromTn_> honestly I am lucky to have what I have really
[01:13:08] <PetefromTn_> if we ever sell this house and move back to florida I will TRY to get a larger shop but that is kinda doubtful
[01:13:25] <zeeshan> if you get a lot of work
[01:13:33] <zeeshan> wouldnt you get a bigger shop?
[01:13:40] <zeeshan> (cause you will get a lot of work!)
[01:13:59] <PetefromTn_> well see I guess
[01:14:15] <PetefromTn_> I REALLY like having the shop on my own property
[01:14:44] <Tom_itx> zeeshan
[01:14:51] <Tom_itx> you need more than 2500 sq ft
[01:15:27] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70GYd-GHa_A
[01:15:29] <Tom_itx> you need at least 60 x 100
[01:15:31] <zeeshan> this would be sweet.
[01:15:37] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: why do you say that
[01:15:48] <Tom_itx> because 50 x 50 just won't cut it
[01:16:12] <jdh> wall space is good
[01:16:29] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fne5wjs3HLo
[01:16:33] <zeeshan> this is 40x50
[01:16:36] <zeeshan> looks more than enough to me! :P
[01:17:12] <Tom_itx> my friend moved 3 times during his growth
[01:17:31] <Tom_itx> the 2nd one was ~2500-3000 sq ft
[01:17:43] <zeeshan> http://www.sentry-steel.com/40-x-50-x-14_1.html
[01:17:46] <zeeshan> 41k
[01:17:49] <zeeshan> to do a 40x50'
[01:17:53] <zeeshan> thats affordable
[01:18:02] <Tom_itx> yeah steel buildings are affordable
[01:18:08] <Tom_itx> noisy as hell when it rains
[01:18:17] <zeeshan> includes the concrete floor
[01:18:19] <Tom_itx> even if they're insulated
[01:18:22] <Tom_itx> yeah
[01:18:40] <Tom_itx> make sure you include walled space for: clean room and office
[01:18:49] <Tom_itx> clean room ie inspection
[01:19:00] <Tom_itx> oh and a dirty room: debur etc
[01:19:00] <zeeshan> office is the clean room
[01:19:01] <zeeshan> :P
[01:19:14] <Tom_itx> oh and a separate room for the air compressor
[01:19:20] <Tom_itx> he had a big screw drive
[01:19:26] <zeeshan> we'll see
[01:19:27] <jdh> that goes in small outside shed
[01:19:29] <zeeshan> its good to plan
[01:19:35] <zeeshan> cause things like these need a really good plan..
[01:19:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah outside is better
[01:19:38] <zeeshan> and $ saved up
[01:19:56] <Tom_itx> don't have to worry about freezing pipes etc inside
[01:20:00] <zeeshan> i just know im getting bitter month by month..
[01:20:10] <zeeshan> cause of how tight it is =P
[01:20:11] <Tom_itx> and you are in cannnaanada
[01:20:27] <jdh> and the heat melts the igloo?
[01:20:57] <Tom_itx> so if you say you need 2500 sq ft, you really need 5000 at least
[01:21:11] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i don't plan to turn into a production facility
[01:21:16] <zeeshan> i just want to prototype..
[01:21:18] <zeeshan> my own designs
[01:21:24] <jdh> that's what henry ford said
[01:21:34] <zeeshan> if one of them really shoots up, then its time to do it full time and a much bigger place that isn't attached to my home
[01:21:34] <Tom_itx> but you are the planner
[01:21:47] <Tom_itx> so don't plan on whatever you don't but plan it anyway
[01:21:59] <zeeshan> i need to set realistic goals..
[01:22:09] <Tom_itx> that's very realistic
[01:22:09] <zeeshan> 50x100 is out of my budget likely
[01:22:16] <Tom_itx> just like paying off your house in a year
[01:22:37] <zeeshan> are you mocking me? :P
[01:22:41] <Tom_itx> not at all
[01:22:51] <zeeshan> we've set a goal to pay it off in 2 years
[01:22:56] <Tom_itx> oh
[01:23:01] <Tom_itx> i forgot what you said
[01:23:32] <zeeshan> i got 150k left
[01:23:41] <zeeshan> its doable if we both save
[01:23:54] <PetefromTn_> just think that is ONLY 150 1000.00 parts LOL
[01:23:55] <Contract_Pilot> Did not like 200C hahaha poof.
[01:23:55] <jdh> that's ambititious, or you make a lot more than me!
[01:24:18] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: haha
[01:24:24] <Tom_itx> jdh, the air's thin where he lives
[01:24:46] <zeeshan> jdh: i aint telling you what i make
[01:24:47] <PetefromTn_> well it is...
[01:24:49] <zeeshan> but i can say this
[01:25:03] <zeeshan> if you and your wife are making even 60k each
[01:25:10] <zeeshan> after tax
[01:25:19] <zeeshan> and you live like poor folks for 2 years
[01:25:21] <zeeshan> it's doable
[01:25:30] <jdh> I've been poor, it sucks
[01:26:02] <Tom_itx> the stock market could crash and i'd never know it
[01:26:22] <PetefromTn_> you independently wealthy tom?
[01:26:29] <jdh> I could pay off my house today, but I don't see any pressing need.
[01:26:29] <zeeshan> lol tom
[01:26:32] <Tom_itx> haha i wish
[01:26:55] <zeeshan> jdh: mortgages are dumb
[01:27:00] <zeeshan> well they're not
[01:27:04] <Tom_itx> i agree with that
[01:27:13] <zeeshan> they are very expensive when you think about it
[01:27:20] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/PSU-Fan-Controller.jpg
[01:27:23] <PetefromTn_> so are houses
[01:27:36] <jdh> mine's 3%
[01:27:37] <zeeshan> as you know, 300k mortgage over 25 years
[01:27:49] <zeeshan> means you'll be paying 700k thru the life of the mortgage
[01:27:59] <zeeshan> if you had paid you house off within 5 years of owning it
[01:28:08] <zeeshan> you have a shit load more money to invest in other things
[01:28:21] <Contract_Pilot> Q2 gone.
[01:28:25] <Tom_itx> they count on you wanting things now though
[01:28:38] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i hate debt!!!!!!!!!!
[01:28:44] <jdh> unless you invest in a tanking stock market
[01:28:49] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: some houses are dumb
[01:28:55] <zeeshan> but a lot of houses increase value
[01:29:12] <zeeshan> like buying a house in detroit is dumb :P
[01:29:13] <PetefromTn_> mine is but we bought it relatively cheap because it needed a bunch of work
[01:29:13] <Contract_Pilot> got it to output 6V hahaha!
[01:29:39] <jdh> and it's in murvil
[01:29:44] <PetefromTn_> so if it ever sells we will pocket some decent cash over it...we are gonna need it to buy a house in florida
[01:29:58] <zeeshan> do you guys think its worth renovating a basement
[01:30:03] <zeeshan> does it really increase the house value?
[01:30:13] <zeeshan> *renovating = finishing
[01:30:15] <PetefromTn_> better in murvil than in any of the other local cities if you ask me
[01:30:23] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, i DUG a basement under my exhisting house
[01:30:33] <jdh> there are no basements here
[01:30:46] <zeeshan> hm
[01:30:47] <PetefromTn_> if I had a basement I would make it living or shop space
[01:30:57] <zeeshan> are basements a concept in thbe north states
[01:31:00] <zeeshan> cause of frost line?
[01:31:07] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/1.jpg
[01:31:19] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: jeez
[01:31:20] <zeeshan> lol
[01:31:22] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, that or swamp or hard rocks
[01:31:25] <Tom_itx> prevent it
[01:31:32] <jdh> if I had a basement, it woudl be a pool
[01:31:37] <Tom_itx> zeeshan i wasn't kidding :D
[01:31:48] <PetefromTn_> now you must have REALLY wanted a basement man LOL
[01:32:03] <Tom_itx> it was the cheapest addition i could add
[01:32:10] <Tom_itx> and it doubled the sq ft
[01:32:15] <zeeshan> is that an oil tank i see in the back
[01:32:22] <jdh> I had a basement in knoxville. I finished it and I think it added a lot to value
[01:32:35] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, no
[01:32:36] <zeeshan> jdh: like say you put in 30k to finish the basement
[01:32:40] <zeeshan> you think you'll get 50?
[01:32:41] <Tom_itx> it may have been some equipment
[01:32:42] <jdh> no
[01:32:48] <jdh> but, 10 might get 20
[01:32:55] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/2.jpg
[01:33:07] <zeeshan> tom you're serious business
[01:33:08] <zeeshan> haha
[01:33:17] <jdh> no clue what it would cost now though. It's been 20 years since I did.
[01:33:22] <zeeshan> technically adding a basement means
[01:33:26] <zeeshan> no increased property taxes
[01:33:29] <PetefromTn_> just how the hell do you DIG a basement under an existing house without dropping the house on ya LOL?
[01:33:31] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/7.jpg
[01:33:51] <jdh> geez
[01:33:54] <zeeshan> haha
[01:33:57] <jdh> how did you keep the foundation from falling in?
[01:34:01] <zeeshan> im really suprised your house didnt fall in
[01:34:15] <zeeshan> i guess if you do it in steps
[01:34:18] <Tom_itx> the exhisting foundation is still there
[01:34:19] <zeeshan> its like jenga
[01:34:25] <Tom_itx> no steps...
[01:34:29] <Tom_itx> all in one big one
[01:34:33] <zeeshan> you had footings already?
[01:34:38] <PetefromTn_> I think I would just sell the house and buy one with a basement...
[01:34:45] <Tom_itx> they put posts under the old foundation and poured around them
[01:34:46] <jdh> no kidding
[01:34:46] <zeeshan> and you dug the space between the footings?
[01:35:00] <Tom_itx> it's just inside them
[01:35:04] <Tom_itx> tied in with rebar
[01:35:17] <Tom_itx> walls are 15" thick in places
[01:35:46] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/8.jpg
[01:35:56] <PetefromTn_> my luck if I tried that my house would collapse in on me hehehe
[01:36:10] <Tom_itx> it was a risk
[01:36:20] <Tom_itx> however i knew i had good soil under it
[01:36:53] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/11.jpg
[01:37:03] <Tom_itx> the ladder is where the dozer came in
[01:37:21] <Tom_itx> that part was framed and poured
[01:37:22] <PetefromTn_> did it come down the ladder?
[01:37:39] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/1.jpg
[01:37:39] <zeeshan> lol
[01:37:40] <PetefromTn_> :D
[01:37:43] <Tom_itx> no it went thru the house
[01:39:06] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/yard1.jpg
[01:39:11] <Tom_itx> that's after it was all done
[01:39:23] <Tom_itx> i removed the whole back of the house and redid it
[01:39:41] <Tom_itx> from where that inset was
[01:40:02] <zeeshan> looks nice
[01:40:08] <zeeshan> like nothing happened :d
[01:40:22] <Tom_itx> and before i covered the patio
[01:40:41] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio_index.php
[01:40:46] <Tom_itx> which is there
[01:41:05] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/patio/patio21.jpg
[01:43:03] <Tom_itx> so go ahead and plan your 5k sq ft shop
[01:43:14] <PetefromTn_> oh so its not actually completely under the house
[01:43:22] <Contract_Pilot> Need to scrounge a board for a SS8550 Y2
[01:43:24] <Tom_itx> the basement?
[01:43:27] <Tom_itx> yes
[01:44:14] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, if you look close at the foundation you'll see old block on the right and new wall on the left
[01:44:19] <Tom_itx> that's where the dozer entered
[01:44:34] <Tom_itx> in that last pic
[01:44:42] <PetefromTn_> ya know its funny
[01:44:50] <PetefromTn_> my house is not very big
[01:45:05] <PetefromTn_> but the shop is pretty big especially when you consider the size of the house
[01:45:08] <Tom_itx> well neither is mine
[01:45:15] <PetefromTn_> and the funny thing is
[01:45:24] <PetefromTn_> ABOVE my shop is a rather HUGE attick
[01:45:35] <PetefromTn_> the building has a very steep pitch roof
[01:45:44] <PetefromTn_> over the 25.5x25.5 foot shop
[01:46:02] <Tom_itx> my garage is 24 sq
[01:46:16] <PetefromTn_> I could get another several hundred square feet if I were to punch it out and make a living space out of it
[01:46:28] <Tom_itx> yeah
[01:46:34] <Tom_itx> code may not allow that
[01:46:41] <Tom_itx> unless you change some walls etc
[01:46:47] <Tom_itx> fire code
[01:46:59] <PetefromTn_> but it would require me most likely putting in steel columns in the shop to support the overhead
[01:47:00] <Tom_itx> garages can contain combustibles etc
[01:47:07] <PetefromTn_> oh its perfectly fine to do it
[01:47:23] <PetefromTn_> there are TONS of houses here with living spaces over garages
[01:47:43] <PetefromTn_> but I have not tried to do it because I was a bit concerned about redoing the trusses up there
[01:48:39] <PetefromTn_> my wife and I talked about making it a little movie theater/play room up there
[01:48:46] <zeeshan> whats your ceiling height?
[01:49:44] <PetefromTn_> in the attick
[01:49:55] <PetefromTn_> or downstairs?
[01:49:59] <zeeshan> for garage
[01:50:11] <PetefromTn_> the shop ceiling is like 9.5' high
[01:50:16] <zeeshan> bah
[01:50:22] <zeeshan> i think im the only one with a dinky little height
[01:50:27] <zeeshan> of 7' 7"
[01:50:41] <PetefromTn_> the funny thing is that the attick has a REALLY TALL pitch
[01:50:51] <PetefromTn_> I have a 9' folding ladder here
[01:51:23] <PetefromTn_> and I have put it up in the attick to work on the roof one time and I had to stand on the tip top of the ladder to reach the top
[01:52:20] <PetefromTn_> the trusses run from the front of the house to the rear
[01:53:10] <PetefromTn_> so I would need to put a beam down the middle I guess from one side to the other and put steel columns down to the slab to support the roof if I redid the trusses up in the attick
[01:55:31] <jdh> or move
[01:56:01] <PetefromTn_> I would move if I could sell the house LOL
[01:56:15] <jdh> guess where I'll be friday
[01:56:33] <PetefromTn_> timbuktu?
[01:56:59] <jdh> close, north florida
[01:57:36] <Contract_Pilot> Unless it also took out the Op-Amp
[01:57:38] <PetefromTn_> I would be jealous if I was not there just a little while ago LOL
[01:58:00] <Contract_Pilot> Ahhh my solder paste is all dry!
[01:58:06] <PetefromTn_> I'm just saying that I thought redoing the attick would be a PIA but then I saw what tom had to do for a basement ;)
[02:02:27] <Contract_Pilot> I just scavange this PSU for Parts.
[02:02:42] <Contract_Pilot> for 6.00 not worth my time to fix.
[02:02:52] <Tom_itx> Contract_Pilot, you may be able to revive it with some alcohol
[02:02:59] <Tom_itx> i've don that in a pinch
[02:03:16] <Contract_Pilot> No the transistor is burnt.
[02:03:58] <Contract_Pilot> These 3 PSU's are a total POS.
[02:04:10] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, and footing under the steel columns
[02:04:35] <Contract_Pilot> SS8550 Y2 is the transistor may do a home brew on it.
[02:04:46] <Tom_itx> they used big boulders under my basement supports
[02:05:17] <PetefromTn_> I have a thick slab here don't need any footing
[02:05:41] <Contract_Pilot> Scanning the PCB..
[02:08:51] <Tom_itx> mkay
[02:08:58] <Tom_itx> they require 2' footing here
[02:09:16] <Tom_itx> 'below frostline'
[02:10:37] <Jymmm> LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibUzDIWhsFg
[02:12:38] <Jymmm> zeeshan: No, I have sort ceiing in the garage too
[02:12:42] <Jymmm> short
[02:13:27] <Contract_Pilot> Taking me longer to scan then it did to desolder the darn thing!
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[02:17:17] <malcom2073_> ssi: I emailed the newegg seller, said there was a tracking number screw up, sent me a USPS numer this time
[02:18:15] <Tom_itx> usps tracks twice. once when shipped and once when delivered
[02:18:49] <malcom2073_> Yeah, they tracked it being picked up in washington state (I guess after it came in to the country), that was a week ago
[02:18:56] <malcom2073_> should show up in the next day or two if that's the case
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[02:34:22] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, i got all 20 of mine today.
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[02:35:13] <Tom_itx> too bad they don't have a similar servo sale
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[02:41:12] <Tom_L> http://www.electronicproducts.com/Power_Products/Power_and_Control/Alloy_made_twenty_years_ago_by_US_Navy_could_provide_more_efficient_way_of_producing_electricity_today.aspx
[02:41:18] <Tom_L> imagine trying to machine that
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[03:53:40] <Praesmeodymium> Contract_Pilot: finally got around to plugging mine in what were you measuing that 31v for? what was it supposed to be etc, my psu puts out 48v on the terminals (with no load)
[03:55:23] <Wolf_> whats the tag say on the side
[03:55:23] <Praesmeodymium> but it also has the not really spinning fan
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[03:56:07] <Praesmeodymium> s-500-48
[03:56:57] <Wolf_> sounds like a 48v lol
[03:57:26] <Praesmeodymium> he opened one up, the 12v fan mostly doesnt move at the 5v supplied
[03:58:03] <Wolf_> mine both have the fan running at full blast at power up
[03:58:27] <Wolf_> annoying cause the other two PSU I got from eBay both have smart fans
[03:58:33] <Praesmeodymium> [17:26:33] <Contract_Pilot> 31V http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Fan-is-12V-PSU-30V-3V-Output-e1445387169440-576x1024.jpg
[03:58:48] <Praesmeodymium> trying to figure out the sigifigance since I have that same psu
[03:59:38] <Wolf_> no idea here, I only got 2 and they are both 48v
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[04:33:10] <t12> scored a shoebox of carborundum rubbing blocks from a marble worker
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[05:01:11] <Contract_Pilot> The fans on them are temp controlled.
[05:01:41] <Contract_Pilot> Warmer it gets the faster it goes till about 200C then pop goes the controller at 6V
[05:02:20] <Contract_Pilot> Unplug the fan and measure the pins!
[05:02:53] <Contract_Pilot> Poor Design if it gets hot.
[05:03:18] <Contract_Pilot> But was able to get the other 2 to dunp in to a 8amp load.
[05:03:33] <Contract_Pilot> Need a better dummy load.
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[05:25:09] <Jymmm> This is awesome.... HAPPY DANCE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV8d19DRQXM
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[06:53:41] <Deejay> moin
[06:58:28] <ganzuul> o/
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[09:42:18] <XXCoder> heys
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[10:49:20] <_methods> Jymmm: hahahah
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[10:49:36] <_methods> that emu is awesome
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[10:57:19] <XXCoder> today I noticed something odd about my van
[10:57:27] <XXCoder> lights dim each few minutes
[10:57:41] <XXCoder> when waiting for green light it dims while it has rough idle
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[11:09:14] <XXCoder> possibly alternator going bad
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[12:17:09] <_methods> http://glowforge.com/tech-specs/
[12:17:13] <_methods> ssi:
[12:17:19] <_methods> $4k laser
[12:17:26] <_methods> it's only 40w
[12:17:57] <SpeedEvil> It's got a _really_ cool name though
[12:18:10] <_methods> that helps cut thicker material
[12:18:14] <_methods> lol
[12:19:18] * SpeedEvil keeps pondering making a TEA CO2
[12:19:24] <_methods> 45w for pros
[12:19:36] <_methods> they don't trust the n00bs with that extra 5w of power
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[12:36:01] <fenn> you'll put your eye out
[12:36:38] <fenn> someone should make a business retrofitting cheapo chinese lasers to not suck so much
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[12:44:37] <Sync> there are already such businesses
[12:44:58] <Sync> they do it by throwing the chinese laser away and putting something proper there
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[12:46:18] <fenn> thanks sync, i needed some humor
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[12:48:38] <Jymmm> _methods: Yeah, I thought so =)
[12:49:09] <_methods> emu made my day
[12:50:12] <Jymmm> _methods: He should be on http://24hoursofhappy.com/ =)
[12:52:04] <_methods> trade my dog in for an emu
[12:52:05] <_methods> lol
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[12:54:20] <Jymmm> Why? You can have BOTH!
[12:56:32] <_methods> damn you're a genius
[12:56:44] <_methods> hey wife i'm gettin an emu
[12:57:29] <Jymmm> There ya go!
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[14:09:13] <ssi> _methods: lul
[14:09:45] <ssi> _methods: the only thing noteworthy about the glowforge thing is the stuff they're doing (or purporting to do) with a camera, following a drawing and stuff like that
[14:09:48] <ssi> that's interesting
[14:09:55] <ssi> other than that the maker kids can keep it
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[14:22:22] <SpeedEvil> Also actually managing to sell it at a ridiculous price-point.
[14:22:27] <SpeedEvil> Is quite notable.
[14:22:57] <ssi> :P
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[14:23:14] <ssi> I think I had about $4k in my 120W 24x48" laser
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[14:23:48] <ssi> and that was with mesa hardware and "real" stepper drivers, which adds a fair bit of cost
[14:23:58] <ssi> laser and psu alone was about $1600
[14:24:11] <ssi> the 40W I started with was about $350 for laser and tube
[14:24:16] <ssi> er, tube and psu
[14:25:11] <PetefromTn_> morn
[14:25:16] <ssi> morn pete
[14:25:24] <PetefromTn_> hey ssi
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[14:28:15] <ssi> what's shakin
[14:28:43] <PetefromTn_> aah just working on some cnc parts here
[14:29:48] <ssi> excellent
[14:29:59] <ssi> did you see this? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRxAOBTUYAA5LG8.jpg:large
[14:30:17] <PetefromTn_> nope
[14:30:21] <PetefromTn_> what is it?
[14:30:27] <ssi> first molded part I cast
[14:30:49] <ssi> I did another pour last night but it was WAY too hot
[14:31:07] <PetefromTn_> looks decent thats pretty cool
[14:31:13] <ssi> yeah I'm pleased
[14:31:36] <SpeedEvil> :)
[14:31:59] <SpeedEvil> What they?
[14:32:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah it looks good
[14:32:13] <ssi> huh?
[14:32:24] <SpeedEvil> ^are
[14:32:45] <ssi> oh, they're trailing links for piper cherokee landing gear
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[14:33:37] <PetefromTn_> interesting, I would not have thought aircraft landing gear would be cast aluminum parts
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[14:34:29] <SpeedEvil> ah
[14:34:55] <ssi> what would you expect it to be made of
[14:35:31] <_methods> gingerbread
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[14:35:48] <PetefromTn_> I dunno billet or something I would think cast porosity dangers would be an issue
[14:36:51] <ssi> the trailing links don't take a hell of a lot of abuse
[14:37:11] <ssi> they exist to keep the wheel pointed straight, but allow it to go up and down via the strut
[14:37:25] <ssi> http://hangarswap.com/image/data/Hangar%20Swap/Flagler/FL0387/IMG_9063.JPG
[14:37:33] <ssi> those are the new style trailing links
[14:37:35] <PetefromTn_> ok I am not familiar with it and you are a lot more experienced with this than I am
[14:37:42] <PetefromTn_> not questioning your methods
[14:37:42] <ssi> the ones I'm casting are the old style, that have an AD on them
[14:37:57] <ssi> they have to be sandblasted and inspected for cracks every 100 hours, which is a huge hassle
[14:38:04] <ssi> so a friend of mine gave me his old set to melt :)
[14:38:13] <ssi> I only used it as a pattern for a test pour, not actually trying to make them
[14:39:18] <ssi> but see, without the trailing links a) the piston would come right out of the cylinder, and b) the wheel would be free to spin in a circle
[14:39:35] <ssi> the trailing links only see sideloading of the gear
[14:39:44] <ssi> and the old AD links would crack around the small pivot
[14:39:50] <ssi> the new ones are way beefier aroun dthere
[14:40:30] <PetefromTn_> those two pivoting links in the second picture look like they would be easy machined parts ;)
[14:40:40] <ssi> they would be fairly easy to machine
[14:40:52] <ssi> but even easier to cast and then finish machine :)
[14:40:56] <ssi> here's another example:
[14:40:56] <ssi> http://melmoth2.com/images/construction/main-lg-struts.jpg
[14:41:02] <ssi> that's the gear off an Arrow, retractable gear
[14:41:06] <ssi> lots of cast parts
[14:41:46] <PetefromTn_> well then you have a bunch of opportunity for having fun with your new forge LOL
[14:41:56] <ssi> yep!
[14:42:02] <ssi> I'm really enjoying it
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[14:42:13] <ssi> takes about 12 minutes to melt a crucible load of aluminum
[14:42:18] <ssi> my crucible seems to hold 7-8lb
[14:42:33] <PetefromTn_> thats pretty fast
[14:43:07] <ssi> yeah it is
[14:43:15] <ssi> I ran it too hot last night though
[14:43:23] <ssi> my crucible was actually glowing yellow before the aluminum melted
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[14:43:44] <ssi> and when I poured it, I got more burning of the sand than I have in the past, and a really crazy pocked surface finish,
[14:43:50] <PetefromTn_> be careful man! ;)
[14:43:51] <ssi> and the sprue tore away from the part when I separated the flask
[14:44:16] <CaptHindsight> heh, I just had a distributor ask me to open an account with a credit card first before they quote me pricing on a product.
[14:44:24] <ssi> seems legit
[14:44:54] <CaptHindsight> This is the first I've ever seen of this new lunacy. Has anyone ever even heard of this demand from a disti?
[14:45:29] <cradek> smells wrong
[14:45:41] <PetefromTn_> tell em to pack sand
[14:45:47] <CaptHindsight> yeah, nice try
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[15:33:20] <PetefromTn_> just broke down an ordered 5 more ER32 short collet holders and 5 collets.....because......well ya just never have enough toolholders LOL
[15:33:26] <ssi> indeed
[15:33:37] <ssi> you still ordering from that same chinese ebay seller?
[15:33:39] <ssi> cme or whatever?
[15:34:08] <PetefromTn_> yup so far so good I am plenty happy with these
[15:34:11] <ssi> yea
[15:34:19] <ssi> I have eight toolholders from them and a set of collets
[15:34:26] <ssi> but naturally I haven't used them at all yet :(
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[15:35:14] <PetefromTn_> I notice zero difference between these and the MUCH higher dollar ones I used at the other local shops...both in overall appearance/quality and the amount of cutter compensation adjustment I have been doing
[15:35:26] <ssi> good deal
[15:36:09] <PetefromTn_> I got three more 3/8 collets, two 1/4's and another 1/2 incher
[15:36:18] <ssi> yea
[15:36:32] <ssi> I think I bought a set plus an extra 3/8, 1/2, and 3/4
[15:36:33] <ssi> something like that
[15:36:37] <PetefromTn_> I get tired of swapping between my 3/8 HSS cutter I like for the aluminum and the coated carbide 3/8 all the time LOL
[15:36:43] <ssi> and I have a couple short, medium, long er chucks and a drill chuck
[15:37:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah gotta have a vairety
[15:37:04] <ssi> I want to get a cat40 big facemill
[15:37:12] <ssi> I'd like to have a 4" and a 6"
[15:37:25] <PetefromTn_> I have a bunch of ER20's in short and long and the ER32's are all short
[15:37:27] <ssi> OH SNAP I can cast the toolchanger fingers for the cinci
[15:37:35] <ssi> I have that one broken finger
[15:37:46] <PetefromTn_> I can't imagine needing a 6" facemill for anything I am doing here
[15:38:05] <ssi> man I just want to see that bigass 15hp spindle with a 6" facemill CHEWING UP THE ALUMINUMSSSS
[15:38:06] <PetefromTn_> this 3" Maritool I just got is pretty nice
[15:38:29] <ssi> I have a 3" R8 facemill I use a ton
[15:38:32] <ssi> valenite I think
[15:38:51] <PetefromTn_> even on this steel 6" wide plate I only make two passes because it is actually 3.15 or something
[15:39:06] <PetefromTn_> down and back
[15:39:09] <ssi> yea
[15:40:06] <PetefromTn_> I have some special cutters I have setup that I ONLY use for the picatinny rail program I don't want to ever touch
[15:40:20] <PetefromTn_> so I really have been needing a couple more holders
[15:40:26] <ssi> yeah definitely
[15:40:32] <PetefromTn_> I ordered from him over the phone just now
[15:40:44] <PetefromTn_> he is pretty cool and said I should have them by Friday afternoon
[15:40:50] <ssi> damn that's quick
[15:40:57] <ssi> did you pay for overnight or something?
[15:41:01] <ssi> or 2 day?
[15:41:03] <PetefromTn_> nope
[15:41:07] <ssi> nice
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[15:52:08] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Tooling.JPG
[15:54:10] <ssi> yea yea, rub it in ;)
[15:54:20] <PetefromTn_> show off ;)
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[15:55:30] <skunkworks> can't usually buy anymore of those though...
[15:55:44] <ssi> which taper is that?
[15:55:52] <skunkworks> strait shank
[15:55:55] <ssi> ahhh
[15:56:09] <skunkworks> K&T's own design
[15:56:18] <ssi> that's a hassle
[15:56:48] <skunkworks> now that we have the mazak laith - we could probably knock some out if needed.
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[15:57:31] <skunkworks> but we got pretty lucky with the selection we got
[15:57:56] <skunkworks> I think there is a bunch in the tool chain too.
[15:57:57] <ssi> I bought some barstock ages ago to try to make some of the goofy hardinge turning toolholders for the HNC
[15:58:01] <ssi> I have a bunch of tooling but more would be nice
[15:58:13] <ssi> now that I can heat treat I can really make some nice ones
[15:59:19] <skunkworks> they come up on ebay every so often
[15:59:34] <ssi> yeah they're expensive tho!
[15:59:56] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARDINGE-CC-15-EXTENSION-TOOL-HOLDER-for-TURRET-LATHE-/380473494002?hash=item5895fcc9f2:m:mteKJQne3IA880-CjExZfsQ
[16:00:02] <ssi> those type
[16:00:24] <ssi> in order to turn anything long, you need long toolholders like that
[16:00:26] <ssi> it's sort of a hassle
[16:00:54] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-HARDINGE-C16-EXTENSION-LATHE-TOOL-HOLDER/171782526590?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D752f528886ef48e9ae048890c68f2b0c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D380473494002
[16:03:14] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hardinge-Turret-Lathe-Tooling-Tool-Holders-Lot-Of-39-Pc-Brown-Sharpe-Somma-/272021188358?hash=item3f55b9ef06:g:Pp8AAOSwl9BWHpWx
[16:03:17] <ssi> dammit
[16:03:20] <ssi> heh
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[16:10:45] <PetefromTn_> once I get my CNC lathe operational I will be wanting a BUNCH of those aloris style wedge toolpost holders....and some custom ones maybe we can work together and I will machine em and you can harden em for me ;)
[16:10:52] <ssi> lol k
[16:11:25] <PetefromTn_> or not
[16:11:52] <ssi> what?
[16:12:17] <PetefromTn_> I'm kinda serious ;)
[16:12:37] <ssi> yeah that's fine, I'm happy to harden them for you
[16:12:50] <ssi> I can probably do two at a time
[16:12:53] <PetefromTn_> and mebbe I can do something for you in return
[16:13:16] <ssi> aw c'mon man you know I'm not into that
[16:13:29] <PetefromTn_> you're not into getting free CNC milling done?
[16:13:30] <Jymmm> The video proves otherwise.
[16:13:38] <ssi> Jymmm: you can't prove that's me
[16:14:46] <Jymmm> ssi: then you should have never gotten that tattoo on your...um.... yeah you know.
[16:14:54] <ssi> rats
[16:14:58] <ssi> _methods: you around?
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[16:42:23] <JT-Shop> ssi, getting closer lol
[16:44:36] <ssi> good!
[16:45:44] <JT-Shop> just have one more thing to sort out and it should be workable, take a look when you get a chance
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[17:12:33] <Erant> What do you guys use as a CAM tool? I'm using Fusion360 but it's more than a little unstable, and not always intuitive.
[17:13:03] <JT-Shop> gedit
[17:13:36] <Erant> As in, you write your gcode manually
[17:14:52] <JT-Shop> sometimes, on the lathe I use ngcgui about 95% of the time
[17:15:13] <JT-Shop> I almost have a DXF to G code converter done...
[17:15:41] <Erant> I wish CadQuery had a CAM equivalent, but no.
[17:17:12] <JT-Shop> you looking for 2-d cad or 3-d?
[17:18:10] <Erant> Well, I do my CAD by writing Python with CadQuery.
[17:18:25] <Erant> Mostly 2.5D CAM.
[17:18:55] <ssi> JT-Shop: did anyone ever make and progress on lathe profiling cycles?
[17:18:58] <ssi> like G70/G71 style?
[17:19:18] <Erant> And Fusion360 works reasonably well, but it doesn't like me closing my laptop for example.
[17:19:22] <JT-Shop> not that I know of but I can kinda sorta use ngcgui for that
[17:19:58] <ssi> yea
[17:20:09] <ssi> I need to get my lathe running again :/
[17:20:17] <ssi> I had my minion pull the turret off about an hour ago to check if that seal was in there
[17:20:33] <ssi> I bought a replacement turret seal not long before the fire and I couldn't remember if I put it in the machine or if it got lost in the house
[17:20:39] <ssi> but he seems to think it's in place, so that's good
[17:20:55] <ssi> the only place I know of to get those now is that guy in connecticut that sold me the lathe; he's got them up on backpage still for $50 apiece
[17:22:32] <JT-Shop> what kind of lathe?
[17:22:45] <ssi> HNC
[17:22:57] <JT-Shop> you can get those from McMaster Carr
[17:23:01] <ssi> the turret seal?
[17:23:10] <JT-Shop> I have a handfull of the seals for the turret
[17:23:13] <ssi> the big 8" diameter square seal bastard?
[17:23:18] <JT-Shop> yea
[17:23:22] <ssi> hm cool
[17:23:28] <ssi> what do you call that to find it on mcmaster?
[17:23:56] <CaptHindsight> bastard seals 8 inch, HNC :)
[17:24:20] <JT-Shop> 261n700
[17:24:39] <ssi> that doesn't look up on mcmaster.com
[17:25:22] <JT-Shop> http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-rings/=zgrpo6
[17:26:13] <JT-Shop> that was the number off the bag
[17:26:41] <ssi> hm
[17:26:44] <JT-Shop> email them and they can cross it
[17:26:47] <ssi> yea
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[17:28:19] <JT-Shop> I have 4 different X seals in the box, I assume that is the right one lol
[17:28:21] <PetefromTn_> I LIKE those Hardinge lathes... I wish the one I had was a leadscrew model It would probably be CNC by now LOL
[17:28:27] <ssi> ah they're X seals?
[17:28:30] <ssi> I was looking at square seals
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[17:31:32] <JT-Shop> X-Profile O-Rings
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[17:32:13] <ssi> cool, thanks
[17:36:27] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/images/hardinge-12thm.jpg
[17:36:43] <ssi> that's a teeny picture! :D
[17:36:54] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge-12.xhtml
[17:37:18] <ssi> man I had the turret body off of mine once, it was not fun
[17:37:27] <ssi> that was when I was trying to figure out why the turret wouldn't run
[17:37:34] <ssi> I had a shuttle valve go bad
[17:37:38] <ssi> $288 to replace
[17:37:52] <ssi> plus one of the air valves in the back compartment had a brazed fitting come out
[17:38:05] <ssi> I think I had all that fixed last time I was messing with it
[17:38:11] <ssi> but that was over a year ago
[17:43:30] <Tom_itx> ssi the trailing links we cut were firs from billet then forged Ti
[17:43:42] <Tom_itx> first*
[17:43:57] <Tom_itx> little bigger plane though
[17:44:00] <ssi> yeah I'm sure :)
[17:44:09] <Tom_itx> citation 10 iirc
[17:44:22] <ssi> buddy of mine is a citation 10 pilot
[17:44:25] <ssi> it's a big bitch
[17:44:45] <Tom_itx> they tried using exhisting forgings but weren't stout enough
[17:45:58] <Tom_itx> still got the iges for it here somewhere
[17:46:43] <Tom_itx> better make sure there aren't any voids in your castings
[17:46:52] <ssi> I'm not casting trailing links for use
[17:47:00] <ssi> that was just a convenient pattern for a test pour
[17:47:00] <Tom_itx> oh, good :)
[17:47:33] <Tom_itx> i would think those would be forgings anyway
[17:47:42] <ssi> they might be, I'm not sure
[17:47:52] <Tom_itx> to control grain direction
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[17:59:02] <_methods> ssi: yeah back
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[18:05:40] <Wolf_> yah for stripped BHCS...
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[18:06:26] <JT-Shop> center punch gets them loose
[18:06:33] <Wolf_> 2 of them are stripped on this renishaw probe
[18:07:44] <Wolf_> only have 3/4” of clearance over the top of them
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[18:08:23] <Wolf_> they are in the battery bay on the MP9, the screws that hold the adapter/shank on
[18:09:07] <archivist> just the hex part stripped?
[18:09:15] <Wolf_> yup
[18:09:27] <Wolf_> also really really tight
[18:09:56] <PetefromTn_> renishaw DROOL!!!
[18:10:10] <Wolf_> I dunno if it even works yet
[18:10:21] <archivist> cs stick
[18:11:23] <Wolf_> ?
[18:11:51] <archivist> counsersunk
[18:11:58] <archivist> counter
[18:12:05] <Wolf_> nope
[18:12:40] <archivist> you had BHCS ?
[18:12:59] <archivist> where CS means countersunk to me
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[18:16:59] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/YutOwMo.jpg
[18:17:24] <archivist> dome head
[18:17:45] <Wolf_> button head cap screw
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[18:18:37] <archivist> also a large contact area relative to size so sticks/shakeproof
[18:19:20] <archivist> punch the head side ways to break that stiction
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[18:19:38] <Wolf_> I think its part of the reason for the as it parts only sale lol
[18:20:13] <archivist> also I have sometimes managed to use grips to get them free
[18:20:40] <Wolf_> mount was pretty much stuck, all the centering screws were backed out so I bet they were trying to get it apart
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[18:24:26] <Wolf_> contacts are dirty in the probe part i think also
[18:25:11] <andypugh> Drill the heads off anf hope that there is enough shank to grip?
[18:25:29] <ssi> buttonheads don't work well like that
[18:25:34] <ssi> when you drill the head off there's nothing left
[18:25:49] <Wolf_> can’t drill the heads off
[18:25:52] <ssi> screw extractor might work ok
[18:26:04] <Wolf_> solid mass of probe body in the way
[18:26:07] <archivist> in a recess
[18:26:28] <andypugh> ssi: How much is left depends on how thick the clamped part is, and not a lot else.
[18:26:52] <Wolf_> 3mm or so
[18:26:52] <andypugh> A screw extractor will probably only serve to end all hope.
[18:27:17] <andypugh> (though I have proved that you can mill screw extractors with a carbide end-mill)
[18:27:24] <ssi> also depends on if you can remove the clamped part once the head is gone
[18:27:31] <ssi> if it's concentric parts, you won't be able to
[18:28:17] <archivist> the hard way is dremel grind heads off, drill threads out after disassembly
[18:29:38] <Wolf_> I’ll give the center punch a go first, that half is sorta minor right now anyways
[18:30:33] <Wolf_> probe is showing open circuit on Ω test
[18:30:41] <Wolf_> unless I pull on it
[18:32:01] <Wolf_> so I’m guessing the contacts are dirty in it
[18:32:12] <archivist> my valeron probe was like that until I cleaned the contacts
[18:33:00] <Wolf_> looks like 4 set screws then the end of the housing unscrews
[18:43:02] <FinboySlick> Wolf_ If desperate with those screws, careful use of hacksaw might get you enough of a flathead to remove it.
[18:43:12] <FinboySlick> I know I've had to resort to that once or twice.
[18:43:48] <FinboySlick> If you can match the slot well enough (to minimize chances of stripping that too) you might get half decent leverage too.
[18:44:13] <SpeedEvil> slitting disk on a dremel works well too
[18:45:14] <andypugh> Cut through the probe body and the screw with a slitting disc. You will damage the body, but it will still work.
[18:45:31] <andypugh> (and you may be able to re-machine the faces anyway)
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[18:46:19] <andypugh> Wolf_: Which probe model?
[18:47:25] <Wolf_> Mp9
[18:47:39] <andypugh> I have an MP3
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[18:47:57] <andypugh> I _think_ I found service kit installation instructions on the internet
[18:48:17] <FinboySlick> ssi: Just saw the casting pic... Is it aluminium shrinkage on the fat part? Doesn't seem as round/wide.
[18:48:32] <Wolf_> I kinda want to not destroy the optical body, I also got a older OMM off eBay :D
[18:49:21] <ssi> FinboySlick: I think it's a perspective thing
[18:49:31] <ssi> I haven't actually measured to compare dimensions but visually they're pretty close
[18:49:32] <archivist> and an mi4?
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[18:50:07] <FinboySlick> ssi: Is the pitting from bubbles or sand?
[18:50:11] <Wolf_> thats next, I wanted to spin the mp9 to make sure the output works before spending the $$
[18:50:12] <CaptHindsight> ssi: what material was used for the pattern to make the sand mold?
[18:50:17] <FinboySlick> (I'm pretty interested in casting too)
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[18:50:27] <ssi> FinboySlick: little of both... I need a deeper sprue so some of the dross gets captured
[18:50:39] <ssi> mostly sand though
[18:50:43] <ssi> CaptHindsight: aluminum
[18:50:53] <ssi> I used the part on the left as the pattern for the part on the right
[18:50:58] <ssi> just a a test
[18:51:11] <andypugh> Wolf_: Not this one? http://resources.renishaw.com/download/leaflet-olp40-rlp40-eyelid-service-kit--30569
[18:51:12] <ssi> sand was a bit too dry, and the heavy pattern fell out when I flipped it, and some of the edges broke
[18:51:17] <ssi> that's why there's such bad flash
[18:51:27] <CaptHindsight> ssi: what did you use for sand?
[18:51:28] <FinboySlick> It's pretty cool that you can see the tape in the casting.
[18:51:33] <ssi> homemade greensand
[18:52:07] <Wolf_> andypugh: nope
[18:52:26] <andypugh> It looks like my MP9
[18:52:28] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to make and easy to use green sand with a heat set binder
[18:52:37] <andypugh> Which means that you don’t start at that end :-)
[18:52:42] <ssi> I ordered some sodium silicate off amazon for cores
[18:52:47] <ssi> I need to get a co2 bottle from the welding store
[18:53:05] <Wolf_> andypugh: http://www.ebay.com/itm/111779639915
[18:53:08] <andypugh> Taje off the other end cover (two screws) then carry on from there
[18:53:10] <FinboySlick> You guys aware of anyone using an induction heater to make iron casting?
[18:53:24] <ssi> I'm gonna try to build a better furnace to do iron in eventually
[18:53:28] <FinboySlick> (backyard-type, not a pro outfit, obviously)
[18:53:55] <CaptHindsight> green sand with binder for hand casting with a pattern or with an inkjet to print binder into the sand for pattern-less applications
[18:54:17] <andypugh> Wolf_: Yes, the three screws in the counterbores, then the end cover, then some rubber bellows, and you will find the probe parts in there. The back is all potted up solid
[18:55:13] <ssi> my greensand is home depot play sand mixed with 10% by weight bentonite clay
[18:55:17] <ssi> wetted to consistency
[18:56:59] <FinboySlick> I guess I got my answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJGaQdgPRmA
[18:58:08] <archivist> I want to get inside the TP2 probe one day to clean the contacts
[18:58:13] <andypugh> Wolf_: As for the button-heads, try Vise-grips.
[18:58:53] <andypugh> FinboySlick: That seems pretty keen
[18:59:11] <archivist> worth grinding the jaws to get a close grip
[18:59:34] <FinboySlick> andypugh: It's pretty cool that the whole furnace can tilt.
[18:59:52] <Wolf_> probe shouldn’t be oil filled right?
[19:02:13] <andypugh> FinboySlick: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms/Elec_IndHeat1.html (But nowadays I would be doing all the sequencing and tuning with an Arduino, rather than alalog elecronics). http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms/Elec_IndHeat1.html
[19:03:39] <Wolf_> because this probe is totally filled with oil lol
[19:05:32] <PCW> wouldn't it be a lot better to make a probe with cheap accelerometers nowadays and just use the balls/rods as a repeatable mechancal stop?
[19:06:23] <PCW> (they could be ruby or something else more wear resistant)
[19:06:24] <archivist> cheap strain gauges
[19:06:39] <FinboySlick> pcw: Care to expand on how you'd design a probe with accelerometers?
[19:06:53] <FinboySlick> You'd just measure the tilt?
[19:06:56] <PCW> I was thinking of differential accelerometers
[19:07:18] <archivist> some now have a piezo element to "hear" the contact too
[19:07:54] <PCW> Yeah, high frequency burst when hit
[19:08:53] <PCW> I saw Dabits probe on the forum that looks really nice but contacts seem like the wave of the past
[19:09:07] <archivist> hmm fpga card could be used for my LVDT probe
[19:09:45] <Wolf_> umm wtf http://i.imgur.com/eu4PY6S.jpg
[19:10:16] <andypugh> OK, so someone on the forum pulled off and destroyed his commutation encoders. Please tell me that I am not being stupid to suggest that eBay resolvers might be a good replacement?
[19:11:10] <andypugh> Wolf_: I don’t thnk it is _meant_ to be filled with oil. But perhaps it is?
[19:11:17] <archivist> Wolf_, some probes have an outer seal assembly before you get into the contacts
[19:11:30] <PCW> When (a million years ago) I was making resilient modulus measuring equipment we had these probes the resolved something around 1 uinch
[19:12:03] <archivist> smaller than a gnats cock
[19:12:05] <andypugh> Wolf_: If (big “if”) your probe is like mine you can now take off the 6 screws and lif out the three-legged thng.
[19:12:08] <Wolf_> I can see the contact bars
[19:13:00] <andypugh> The balls are captive on the ring and contact is by springs. All surprisingly non-fiddly.
[19:13:25] <andypugh> But beware of http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pingfukkit
[19:14:21] <archivist> I have heard those hit something behind me out of sight
[19:15:42] <andypugh> PCW: Contact may be old-school but the probes work incredibly well. Wheels strike me as very old school too, but seem to work :-)
[19:16:06] <PCW> :-)
[19:17:28] <PCW> I guess I was just responding to all the fancy things DaBit was doing, worrying about EDM-ing the contacts etc
[19:17:31] <archivist> one nice thing about the contact type is the over travel they can sustain
[19:17:50] <andypugh> Are the Ali-express ads tagetted? They seem to be trying to sell me sexy (ladies) underwear. I am the least likely person in the world to buy that. So what makes them want to advertise them to me? The only things I have ever looked at on their actual site is gear hobs and servo motors.
[19:18:41] <PCW> yes you still need that or a similar mechanism to allow both over-travel and quick settling after overtravel
[19:18:58] <Wolf_> ok, probe is now dismembered, what to clean it with...
[19:19:06] <PCW> (they just dont need to be contacts)
[19:19:38] <Roguish> the 'balls and rods' can work really good. http://www.precisionballs.com/
[19:19:45] <archivist> kinematic mount just for safety
[19:20:51] <Roguish> http://www.precisionballs.com/Kinematics_Components_Catalog_105B.php#graphical
[19:22:46] <PetefromTn_> that looks like a great place to get your balls! ;)
[19:23:46] <Roguish> ya want fine adjustments? how about 100 tpi or better ....... http://www.thorlabs.com/NewGroupPage9.cfm?ObjectGroup_ID=1208
[19:24:44] <andypugh> Roguish: Differential screws are probably a better idea
[19:24:57] <andypugh> And easy to make with CNC.
[19:25:46] <PetefromTn_> I would love for you guys to tell me how I can make a probe that is anywhere close to a renishaw here in the shop for dinero pequeno
[19:25:53] <Roguish> those will work also, but are 2 piece. I know of some 200 tpi adjusters. imaging the taps....
[19:26:09] <andypugh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_screw
[19:26:47] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: You might as well get a real Renishaw from eBay. It’s probably cheaper. I paid £50 for my “Renshaw"
[19:27:16] <archivist> I would like to measure one of those threads to see how well they get the pitch
[19:27:22] <PetefromTn_> is that some chinese wack off of a real renishaw?
[19:27:35] <jdh> anyone ever used modbus tcp with an anybus chip?
[19:27:39] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: No, an eBay vendor who couldn’t spell :-)
[19:27:46] <PetefromTn_> aah
[19:27:50] <PetefromTn_> love those
[19:28:02] <Roguish> i've used the 100 tpi. the threads feel and look like scratches, but they actually work.
[19:28:33] <Wolf_> I’ll be $195 in to this renishaw setup after I order the Mi4 box
[19:29:24] <andypugh> There is a “Renshaw” probe here, but sadly it is priced as a Renishaw: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENSHAW-TS27R-TOOL-SETTING-PROBE-/301774075957?hash=item464322f835:g:RzIAAOSw9mFWJ3QT
[19:32:27] <Roguish> speaking of probes, how is this one? of any value? http://www.cadcamcadcam.com/contactprobe.aspx
[19:33:00] <Roguish> not a Renishaw, but worth the price???
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[19:33:34] <andypugh> I would rather pay 20% of the price for a real Renishaw
[19:33:45] <_methods> pretty bold callin it a tp-100
[19:33:52] <PetefromTn_> that is the table mounted tool probe..
[19:34:01] <_methods> looks like it uses standard renishaw stylus too
[19:34:02] <PetefromTn_> works excellent in my experience
[19:34:38] <_methods> i'm suprised they haven't shut that down
[19:35:08] <wolfmanjm> anyone know if there is a arduino sketch that just does pass through of parallel port signals to say a ramps board? basically I'm thinking the arduino would simply monitor the step/dir signals and mirror them to the stepper drivers on a ramps (or equivalent) board
[19:36:04] <wolfmanjm> I have several arduino based boards with stepper drivers on them and it would be cool to have them work with linuxcnc basically just using them as external stepper drivers.
[19:36:57] <andypugh> wolfmanjm: One solution would be to run LinuxCNC on a Udoo, as that has an Arduino pinout.
[19:37:24] <_methods> https://ckcnc.wordpress.com/basic-arduino-emc-howto/
[19:37:28] <wolfmanjm> yea but i already have LinxCNC running on an old PC
[19:37:29] <_methods> or maybe google
[19:37:44] <wolfmanjm> tried google ;) I will write it if it has not already been done
[19:37:51] <_methods> https://ckcnc.wordpress.com/basic-arduino-emc-howto/
[19:37:53] <_methods> https://ckcnc.wordpress.com/basic-arduino-emc-howto/
[19:37:54] <_methods> https://ckcnc.wordpress.com/basic-arduino-emc-howto/
[19:38:20] <FinboySlick> The thing I regret most about my mill (aside for its non-cartesian nature) is the lack of repeatable tool holders. Having to mess with the collet nut every tool change is a lot more hassle that I had anticipated.
[19:38:33] <archivist> wolfmanjm, you want the arrrrrghino just to emulate a stepper driver (step dir in)
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[19:39:18] <FinboySlick> It also makes use of a probe pretty difficult. Heck, finding an edge finder that fits ER11 is tricky enough.
[19:39:23] <wolfmanjm> no not really, it is simper than that and the post _methods posted is not what I am thinking of
[19:40:43] <wolfmanjm> I have an Azteeg X3 PRO, runnign grbl at the moment. But I'm thinking with a very simple sketch running on it I can hook up the parallel port lines to the spare pins, and simply pass through the step/dir signals to the pins that teh drviers are conencted to. so linuxcnc still does all the timing and stuff
[19:40:56] <PetefromTn_> FinboySlick I hear ya but I would think a plate tool probe macro would help considerably
[19:41:32] <Wolf_> hmmm Milling machine-van norman ram type horizontal/verticle $500 think i may go look at that tomorrow
[19:41:44] <_methods> nice
[19:41:50] <_methods> those van normans are good machines
[19:41:53] <PetefromTn_> probably a VERY HEAVY machine
[19:42:04] <_methods> pain in the butt switching from horizontal to vertical
[19:42:10] <Wolf_> been on cragslist for 2-3 months now
[19:42:10] <PetefromTn_> but they are beasts when it comes to cutting metal
[19:42:11] <_methods> but nice to have the flexibility
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[19:43:23] <andypugh> FinboySlick: Are there any quick-change adaptors for ER11?
[19:43:43] <andypugh> (Maybe not, that’s pretty tiny)
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[19:44:34] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Not that I could find. It's machined straight into the spindle motor shaft (think router) so that would have to be drilled to slide in a drawbar.
[19:44:38] <andypugh> FinboySlick: If you have a lathe you could make a bunch of solid ER11 “collets” with tools held in by setscrews. At least then you have repeatable length.
[19:44:39] <Praesmeodymium> well son of a bitch my motors from newegg were delivered to day.... to somewhere else. need to file a refund request, shipped motors intended for opregon to georgia
[19:44:43] <archivist> andypugh, I have seen end mills having the shaft tapered to fir ER series
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[19:44:48] <archivist> fit
[19:44:51] <Wolf_> any suggestions on what to wash this oil out of the probe body?
[19:45:11] <malcom2073_> mineral spirits? Unknown if that would hurt the electronics
[19:45:38] <andypugh> Wolf_: I think I would use White Spirit.
[19:45:45] <PetefromTn_> probably some denatured alcohol or similar
[19:45:46] <archivist> I use spirits and the ultrasonic tank
[19:45:46] * JT-Shop is being attacked by ladybugs
[19:45:57] <Wolf_> Praesmeodymium: mine showed delivered to Calf from china, but one of the packs showed up with usa ship from address
[19:46:41] <malcom2073_> Praesmeodymium: Mine said the same thing, I emailed them, they sent me a "corrected" tracking number
[19:46:48] <andypugh> malcom2073_: Having checked Wikipedia, I see that “Mineral Spirits” is USA-ian for White Spirit.
[19:46:55] <malcom2073_> Seems the china tracking number is no good in the usa heh
[19:46:57] <malcom2073_> andypugh: Nice
[19:47:16] <andypugh> Also reasonably good as a fire-breathing liquid.
[19:47:18] <malcom2073_> So I have a USPS tracking number
[19:47:36] <Wolf_> oh cook I think I can pull the upper contact plate out as well
[19:47:51] <Wolf_> cook/cool
[19:48:04] <FinboySlick> Haha, wow: http://www.joinersales.com/wp-content/gallery/400__bottom/VAN%20NORMAN%20UNIVERSAL%20MILL.JPG Now there's a van-norman.
[19:48:51] <andypugh> FinboySlick: One word that does not come to mind is “Flimsy”
[19:49:04] <_methods> i would use acetone mineral spirits can leave residue
[19:49:19] <malcom2073_> Mmmm them box ways
[19:49:26] <andypugh> But Acetone dissolves some plastics
[19:49:35] <_methods> yeah
[19:49:38] <_methods> this is true
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[19:50:00] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Don't know if it's the paint job but it looks pretty darn well maintained too.
[19:50:07] <andypugh> I have never known White Spirit to damage anything, I use it to de-gunk my motorcycle.
[19:50:25] <_methods> contact cleaner
[19:50:32] <PetefromTn_> by white spirit you mean God?
[19:50:39] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[19:50:45] <andypugh> FinboySlick: Top spindle speed is likely to be 1000 rpm....
[19:50:48] <_methods> why is there oil in the probe?
[19:50:48] <FinboySlick> andypugh: The thought of moving it made me think of your engine hoist picture.
[19:51:08] <PetefromTn_> makes the trons flow better :D
[19:51:15] <_methods> lol
[19:52:01] <andypugh> FinboySlick: That photo is Photoshopped, look at the telegraph pole :-)
[19:52:37] <malcom2073_> andypugh: Look behind the pallet leaning on the fence
[19:52:43] <malcom2073_> Between the slats
[19:52:44] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/200W-CNC-Digital-AC-Servo-Driver-and-AC-Servo-Brushless-Motor-3000rpm-0-64N-m-Y-/151332115504?hash=item233c18d430:g:QrAAAOSw-nZTorRQ ??
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[19:55:10] <andypugh> (I was joking, in case you believed I believed that)
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[19:57:06] <Jymmm> andypugh lies, and photoshopped that himself!
[19:57:57] <XXCoder> nah it is real photo. Jymmm andypugh broke in factory and took pic there himself
[19:58:10] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Ah, gotcha
[19:58:17] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: I'll take 5
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[19:59:53] <Praesmeodymium> malcom2073_: I sent an email we will see, I can hope I got the wrong number I dont think i can replace the 5 motors for that cheap ever again lol
[20:00:14] <Jymmm> cradek: https://vimeo.com/26607676
[20:00:50] <malcom2073_> Though, it's been 5 days since theUSPS "Accepted" the package
[20:00:53] <malcom2073_> and it's 3 day delivery
[20:00:54] <malcom2073_> so... I dunno
[20:01:02] <malcom2073_> I did get 4 from this seller, so they're semi-legit
[20:01:13] <malcom2073_> could be they just suck at shipping from china, the ones I got previously came from their warehouse in NJ
[20:01:21] <PetefromTn_> you'll take 5 what??
[20:01:28] <XXCoder> hyperdrives
[20:01:33] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Of those motors.
[20:01:35] <XXCoder> real cheap steppers if I recall
[20:01:47] <PetefromTn_> says servos..
[20:01:52] <PetefromTn_> probably hybrids
[20:02:09] <PetefromTn_> I need two in a 750watt flavor
[20:02:29] <XXCoder> if I recall it was pretty nice motors and drivers for 9 bucks
[20:02:42] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Oh, you think they're more like 'stepper with encoder' type of deal?
[20:02:43] <XXCoder> nema23 was thin and cheap but drivers was worth way more
[20:03:22] <PetefromTn_> dunno thats why I put ??
[20:03:32] <PetefromTn_> it SAYS AC servo drive
[20:05:02] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-75kw-750W-AC-servo-motor-drive-set-1PH-220V-2-4NM-modbus-2500ppr-CNC-new/201344944375?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33873%26meid%3D519c7b5e5c044eea9f58263267eb7233%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D151791787971 these look nice but CHINA
[20:05:23] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: 3-phase output looks like servo to me
[20:06:30] <PetefromTn_> I thought steppers were technically 3 phase?
[20:06:50] <andypugh> No, 2 phase or (sometimes) 5 phase
[20:07:15] <ssi> steppers are 2 phase, 50 pole brushless motors
[20:08:15] <PCW> There are 3 phase stepmotors
[20:08:38] <PCW> (Tormach uses them for example)
[20:09:01] <PCW> not sure what the step size is
[20:09:40] <ssi> PetefromTn_: those chinese servos/drives would be worth trying if the shipping weren't so prohibitive
[20:10:03] <andypugh> Add the shipping to the price and it still looks good.
[20:10:22] <PetefromTn_> I wonder if they combine shipping on em?
[20:10:36] <ssi> yea if you could get three of them shipped for about $1200 that'd be alright
[20:10:46] <PetefromTn_> I mean honestly the TEco's I have running my VMC are chinese and I have had great luck with them
[20:10:48] <ssi> 2500ppr encoders
[20:11:00] <ssi> well there's chinese and then there's chinese :)
[20:11:10] <PetefromTn_> I know thats the trouble here
[20:11:59] <ssi> here you go
[20:11:59] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1PH-220V-80mm-2-4NM-750W-3000RPM-3A-AC-servo-motor-drive-Kit-3M-Cable-Freeship-/111708131377?hash=item1a0252d031:g:FJkAAOSw9N1Vk42a
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[20:12:02] <ssi> pay more, free shipping
[20:12:06] <ssi> better deal overall if they won't combine
[20:13:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what the going rate is....just have trouble buying from someone in CHINA named Fastobuy LOL
[20:13:26] <XXCoder> fast to buy
[20:13:45] <andypugh> And he has been around since 2012!
[20:13:46] <XXCoder> same picture as other one
[20:14:19] <XXCoder> "Member since: Nov 19, 2012"
[20:14:56] <FinboySlick> ssi: I really like the picture called: "C:\Users\Administrator\Desktop\..."
[20:15:16] <ssi> lul
[20:15:29] <ssi> I want to find some servos about that size with encoders and cables, but no drive
[20:15:41] <ssi> I got my stmbl boards today, gonna hopefully get one assembled in the next day or so
[20:16:43] <andypugh> It seems I have been on eBay since 2000 !
[20:16:49] <PetefromTn_> woohoo just sold two more rails!!
[20:17:55] <XXCoder> andypugh: "Member since: Jan 05, 1998"
[20:17:59] <XXCoder> thats my account
[20:18:26] <SpeedEvil> I was a member since before they launched in the UK.
[20:18:35] <SpeedEvil> (my account is still a bit fucked)
[20:18:53] <SpeedEvil> (they send me notifications from the US site - in dollars, with links to .com)
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[20:20:56] <FinboySlick> Hmmm... http://www.ebay.com/itm/12000rpm-8KW-380V-18A-400Hz-Air-cooled-ATC-Spindle-Motor-ISO9001-2000-NEW-/111704027468 "Repair time: bearing(half year),spindle(one year). I wonder what that means.
[20:21:08] <FinboySlick> You have to change the bearings every 6 months?
[20:21:24] <XXCoder> or maitance like grease? dunno
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[20:21:27] <_methods> party at PetefromTn_'s house
[20:21:30] <Connor> 9 minutes till Marty Arvies.
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[20:21:50] <PetefromTn_> woohoo party on boys!!
[20:22:04] <FinboySlick> Marty arrives, blackbagged by DHS.
[20:22:09] <XXCoder> http://istodaythedaymartymcflyarriveswhenhetravelstothefuture.com/
[20:22:17] <PetefromTn_> who's Marty?
[20:22:24] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Back to the Future.
[20:22:29] <XXCoder> You dont know who Marty McFly is??
[20:22:31] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Today is when Marty from back to the Future arrives.
[20:22:33] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah doh
[20:22:44] <Connor> Well.. Wait.. It's PST
[20:22:47] <Connor> not East coast..
[20:22:48] <Connor> damn
[20:22:53] <FinboySlick> He'll be sad to find that his floaty-skateboard needs a special track.
[20:22:55] <Akex_> Lol Connor ;)
[20:23:05] <PetefromTn_> so he's already here then?
[20:23:22] <XXCoder> not for few hours
[20:23:26] <Connor> No. 4 hours and change
[20:23:35] <XXCoder> 3 hours
[20:23:36] <PetefromTn_> LOL that's cool
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[20:23:39] <XXCoder> 1:23 pm here
[20:23:46] <PetefromTn_> jeez I'm old
[20:24:07] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: But not obsolete.
[20:24:19] <Connor> They never talked about what time zone the DeLorean was set too...
[20:24:24] <FinboySlick> (Terminator Genesis reference)
[20:24:29] <PetefromTn_> you know when a movie you watched as a kid shows a far in the future date for "the FUTURE" and now your're there...well you'd be OLD
[20:24:29] <XXCoder> Connor: but we know where he arrives
[20:24:33] <XXCoder> calfornia
[20:24:38] <XXCoder> so yeah lol
[20:25:12] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Well, you're older if you weren't a kid when it came out.
[20:25:18] <ssi> I find it hard to believe that doc would design his time circuits around anything other than UTC ;)
[20:25:21] <FinboySlick> So look on the bright side.
[20:25:25] <PetefromTn_> I tried to call Arturo Duncan three times today about servos and never got him LOL
[20:25:30] <XXCoder> http://www.october212015.com/
[20:25:37] <XXCoder> soon exactly 3 hours
[20:25:48] <ssi> PetefromTn_: ?
[20:26:07] <PetefromTn_> ?
[20:26:11] <Connor> I liked when Fox showed Buck Rogers (in syndication) they intro always stated the year he left Earth.. they would always advance the year by 1 year when it was show.. to keep it "in date"
[20:26:53] <XXCoder> why why is there billion 43 mm spindle holders but zero spindle that diameter
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[20:46:32] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw8T1YgnVck - inconel machining.
[20:46:36] <SpeedEvil> Wow
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[20:49:23] <Connor> XXCoder: Is that for a Kress ?
[20:49:42] <XXCoder> Connor: the chinese 4030 cnc router
[20:49:54] <Connor> Yea.. but the holder is for a Kress Spindle..
[20:49:58] <Connor> which is 43mm
[20:50:22] <XXCoder> I need to check mount holes it might have one larger set for 53 mm
[20:50:30] <XXCoder> it do have 6 holes and use only 2
[20:50:39] <XXCoder> Connor: oh yea! that expensive router
[20:51:10] <XXCoder> aw mythbusters is ending
[20:51:21] <Connor> do what?
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[20:51:22] <PetefromTn_> nice ceramics!!
[20:51:25] <XXCoder> with a bang though not just sudden end
[20:51:51] <XXCoder> http://www.ew.com/article/2015/10/21/mythbusters-ending-interview
[20:53:05] <Connor> That sucks. Kinda saw that happening after they got rid of Grant, Kari and Tory
[20:53:24] <XXCoder> yeah its been long years
[20:53:26] <XXCoder> 14 years.
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[20:53:48] <XXCoder> enough for them to look youngish to mid
[20:54:17] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/X1ozLpw.jpg
[20:54:21] <Wolf_> :D
[20:54:56] <XXCoder> YOU BROKE IT!!
[20:54:57] <XXCoder> heh
[20:55:32] <Connor> Wow, so that's what's in a Renishaw passive..
[20:55:55] <Connor> How do you adjust those ?
[20:57:56] <Connor> Someone made a 5 contact instead of a 3 contact version...
[20:58:01] <Connor> not sure what that gets you..
[21:00:16] <XXCoder> glowforge needs internet to work
[21:00:17] <XXCoder> jeez
[21:00:35] <XXCoder> how long before someone hacks it
[21:00:39] <Connor> Why ?
[21:01:21] <XXCoder> http://www.tested.com/tech/548192-going-depth-glowforge-laser-cutter/ reading
[21:07:11] <XXCoder> they said they will allow people to0 flash custom firmware but it will void warranty. not too bad considering if they go under in 5 years can flash new firmware and use it without cloud
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[21:11:46] <Wolf_> Connor: adjustments are at the mounting/adapter area
[21:13:21] <Wolf_> nothing fancy either, just 4 screws
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[21:20:11] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:38:10] <Connor> Here is the one I was talking about that is 5 way vs 3 way
[21:38:11] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-CNC-Digitizing-Touch-Probe-Toolsetter-3-8-adj-for-Mach3-Sherline-Taig-/131613972270?hash=item1ea4cdd72e:g:WcEAAOSw0vBUg2lI
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[22:03:11] <Roguish> andypugh: see here. look at lower right adjustment screw.................. http://www.thorlabs.com/navigation.cfm?guide_id=131
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[22:12:11] <MacGalempsy> hola
[22:13:45] <malcom2073_> Hi
[22:18:29] <JT-Shop> dang this dxf2gcode is fast
[22:18:41] <JT-Shop> still wrong but real fast
[22:22:06] <Tom_itx> hah
[22:22:29] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, is 'go' a compiled language?
[22:22:31] <JT-Shop> but getting close
[22:22:34] <Tom_itx> or interpreted
[22:22:34] <JT-Shop> yes
[22:22:49] <Tom_itx> like c?
[22:23:28] <JT-Shop> beats me lol
[22:23:46] <JT-Shop> I thought c was compiled...
[22:23:52] <Tom_itx> it is
[22:24:09] <Tom_itx> basic was interpreted
[22:24:19] <Tom_itx> one that comes to mind...
[22:24:43] <andypugh> Python is interpreted
[22:24:59] <andypugh> (or, possibly, compiled on-demand)
[22:25:15] <Tom_itx> still slower
[22:25:46] <Tom_itx> but there's not much to the converter he wrote as far as overhead
[22:26:01] <Connor> andypugh: python can be both
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[22:31:09] <JT-Shop> almost got it sorted out... the sorting of the entities is the fun part lol
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[22:33:49] <JT-Shop> it's down to a matter of a few offsets that are backwards now :)
[22:34:11] <Tom_itx> no biggie...
[22:35:25] <JT-Shop> yea, I just need more smarts in my switch
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[22:46:40] <JT-Shop> one less error...almost there
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[23:00:06] <Sync> bah
[23:00:22] <Sync> those philips scales use a goddamn trick circuit
[23:00:58] <PetefromTn_> well finally got ahold of Arturo Duncan at CNC4PC this afternoon
[23:01:35] <Tom_itx> about what?
[23:01:37] <PetefromTn_> he is supposed to be giving me a GOOD price on two axes worth of the DMM servo motor/drivers/cabling tomorrrow...crossing fingers
[23:01:57] <Tom_itx> 700w?
[23:01:59] <PetefromTn_> hopefully I can swing it and go ahead and order them
[23:02:01] <PetefromTn_> 750
[23:02:24] <PetefromTn_> can't wait to start building this BEOTCH
[23:02:34] <Tom_itx> better than automation direct?
[23:02:51] <jdh> I spent a couple hours writing some code to speak modbus tcp to a flow meter. The manual said modbus registers 40001-40065. Tried that, tried 0, 1, turns out that it really starts at 513.
[23:02:52] <Tom_itx> or whatever it's called now
[23:02:54] <PetefromTn_> I tried automation direct and their drives are kinda funky..
[23:03:06] <PetefromTn_> they also require a seperate power supply
[23:03:13] <PetefromTn_> and some other module
[23:03:23] <Tom_itx> and the ones you're looking at?
[23:03:33] <PetefromTn_> these DMM servos are basically designed to work just like my TEco's
[23:03:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah built in power setup wired for 110 or 220vac
[23:04:10] <PetefromTn_> just wire em up and hook up the premade cables for motor and encoders
[23:04:31] <PetefromTn_> wire up the high density connection to linuxCNC7i77 card and you are good to go
[23:04:45] <PetefromTn_> basically just like the Cincinatti Arrow 500 build here
[23:06:51] <PetefromTn_> I am also looking at that Hitachi WJ200-110lf drive like I am using for the Cincinatt for the spindle but I have not bought it yet because I am trying to find information about the one that Zeeshan used for his mill and other similar chinese drives
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[23:08:25] <Sync> or get our drive and hope we get async vectoring running quickly :D
[23:08:40] <Tom_itx> direct 110/220 would be handy
[23:09:01] <PetefromTn_> you mean that DIY drive?
[23:10:04] <Sync> yes
[23:10:58] <PetefromTn_> I would definitely consider it but ssi made it sound like it was a ways off and required a good bit of programming knowledge if you are new here you will realize that I SUCK at that part LOL
[23:11:27] <Sync> well, it is not really ways off
[23:12:05] <Sync> but we currently only can do motors with some kind of feedback device
[23:12:43] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean?
[23:13:16] <Tom_itx> closed loop
[23:13:30] <PetefromTn_> oh I would not have it any other way ;)
[23:14:09] <Sync> well the nextgen™®© hardware can do async vector control
[23:14:12] <Sync> without feedback device
[23:14:44] <PetefromTn_> all I need is analog 0-10v closed loop control with reasonable encoders
[23:15:08] <Sync> 0-10V is not happening
[23:15:08] <Tom_itx> +-10
[23:15:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah sorry +/-10v
[23:15:42] <Sync> that's still not happening :D
[23:15:48] <Tom_itx> my sherline is 0-10
[23:15:49] <PetefromTn_> why?
[23:16:02] <PetefromTn_> how do you plan to control the motors?
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[23:16:11] <Tom_itx> pwm probably
[23:16:25] <Sync> quadrature or direct velocity/position commands
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[23:17:32] <Sync> well, what is a reasonable encoder for you?
[23:18:08] <PetefromTn_> whatever is typical I think mine are 2500 or somthing like that
[23:18:10] <Sync> we can do quadrature, resolvers, sin/cos and about all digital absolute things
[23:18:21] <Sync> yeah quadrature is not an issue
[23:18:56] <Tom_itx> Sync, who is this 'we' you speak of?
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[23:20:22] <Tom_itx> not familiar with what you're developing
[23:20:24] <Sync> me and two other guys
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[23:21:01] <Sync> https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl
[23:23:30] <Tom_itx> mmm i got one of those
[23:23:32] <Tom_itx> boards
[23:24:19] <Tom_itx> never bothered to learn to program arm though
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[23:25:54] <Tom_itx> those are all 3.3v ip aren't they?
[23:26:34] <Tom_itx> io
[23:26:38] <PetefromTn_> tryin to buy my wife something on Amazon and they are offering a free shipping trial 2 months of amazon prime?
[23:27:13] <_methods> i buy so much off amazon prime is a no brainer
[23:27:25] <_methods> only reason i go to a real store anymore is for groceries
[23:27:27] <PetefromTn_> what is?
[23:27:44] <_methods> amazon prime
[23:27:47] <PetefromTn_> I almost buy everything from ebay
[23:27:55] <_methods> i get a lot from there too
[23:28:05] <PetefromTn_> never use amazon
[23:28:09] <Tom_itx> _methods, amazon thanks you
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[23:28:11] <PetefromTn_> whats the deal?
[23:28:21] <_methods> it's easy?
[23:28:26] <_methods> and i don't have to leave the house
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[23:28:50] <PetefromTn_> no I mean what is prime and whats it gonna cost me?
[23:28:56] <Sync> Tom_itx: not all of the ios are 5V intolerant ;)
[23:29:04] <_methods> oh it's mainly free shipping
[23:29:11] <_methods> but they have shitty music and lame movies
[23:29:34] <Tom_itx> all the more reason..
[23:31:30] <_methods> free 2 day shipping is the big thing
[23:31:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah but whats it cost ya?
[23:33:26] <andypugh> After your free trial, Amazon Prime is just £79/year. Cancel anytime.
[23:33:46] <andypugh> (I have no difficulty resisting)
[23:34:20] <PetefromTn_> is it one of those you gotta remember to decline or they just go ahead and put the screws to ya LOL?
[23:34:36] <_methods> yeah i think it will autorenew
[23:35:54] <PetefromTn_> sheet
[23:36:04] <_methods> i probably do 50/50 amazon/ebay
[23:36:11] <_methods> but i've been happy with prime
[23:36:29] <PetefromTn_> it says its 99 a year tho
[23:36:34] <_methods> it is
[23:36:40] <PetefromTn_> Ok thanks
[23:36:48] <PetefromTn_> bbl gotta eat some din din
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