#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-20

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[00:02:26] <malcom2073_> Jymmm: Psh
[00:02:31] <malcom2073_> I'm going CNC to *avoid* physical labor :-P
[00:03:05] <malcom2073_> https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/12096166_1151781031502943_1945702272401900190_n.jpg?oh=ac9b06c3dcd335c3a6509d1ab6a2e94a&oe=56BF1391
[00:03:06] <malcom2073_> All ready to go!
[00:08:09] <Tom_itx> after drawing all the problem sketches for catia we finally had one of them printed up for the heck of it: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/practice_drawings/problem34.jpg
[00:08:13] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/practice_drawings/Problem34_1.jpg
[00:08:37] <malcom2073_> Suspension for something?
[00:08:54] <malcom2073_> Or is that schoolwork?
[00:08:56] <Tom_itx> some aircraft part probably
[00:09:02] <Tom_itx> my kid is taking catia
[00:09:05] <malcom2073_> Ah cool
[00:09:17] <Tom_itx> i drew them in SW as i helped him learn catia
[00:09:22] <malcom2073_> Nice
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[00:10:39] <Wolf_> misses the SW racing last night
[00:10:45] <Wolf_> missed*
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[00:25:53] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073_ looking good man..
[00:28:33] <malcom2073_> Yeah it's getting there
[00:30:21] <Wolf_> cool :)
[00:30:46] <malcom2073_> I need toget some tools to tighten the collet tool holder
[00:31:28] <Wolf_> make one? :P
[00:31:36] <malcom2073_> Heh, chicken and egg :-P
[00:32:00] <Wolf_> :)
[00:32:47] <Wolf_> I’ll have to hurry on my mill so I can design a tooling plate for it for you to rigid tap :P
[00:33:19] <malcom2073_> hehe
[00:33:24] <malcom2073_> Rigid tap? I got a tapamatic
[00:33:35] <Wolf_> or that lol
[00:33:42] <malcom2073_> Picked it up at the yard sale
[00:33:54] <Wolf_> yeah ya told me
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[00:37:46] <Wolf_> I want my probe to show up to mess with...
[00:37:52] <malcom2073_> I need a probe
[00:38:56] <Wolf_> I just hope its not too borked up
[00:41:29] <Wolf_> and anyone happen to have any use for a “KENNAMETAL MONARCH 45 HOLDER”
[00:42:23] <malcom2073_> Newp
[00:49:56] <Wolf_> well, thats not helpful :P
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[03:14:25] <PetefromTn_> Wow my wife came out in the shop today and helped me for like two hours!!! I am a lucky guy LOL
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[03:36:57] <Contract_Pilot> new tracking numbers new egg.
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[03:50:59] <Wolf_> hmm
[03:51:12] <Wolf_> not sure if I should worry yet
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[03:59:56] <Wolf_> still going back and forth with that damn sewing motor vendor
[04:00:38] <Wolf_> over the replacement control board, they just told me the board numbers are just internal factory batch numbers (BULLSHIT)
[04:00:59] <Contract_Pilot> http://track.trackingmore.com/lesotho-post/en-EA133917420HK,EA133917416HK.html
[04:01:48] <Wolf_> nifty
[04:02:05] <Wolf_> I wonder if they gave me fucked up tracking numbers as well
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[04:34:30] <wolfmanjm> hi, I am trying to drive some Sumptor MB450 drivers from the parallel port. everythign looks like it is toggling, except the step signal goes from 5v to 1.2v which means it doesn;t step. do you need to use level converters or clever wirin gto get these to work?
[04:34:52] <wolfmanjm> (they are similar to leadshines)
[04:38:44] <Wolf_> sec I’ll give ya a pic
[04:38:52] <wolfmanjm> thanks
[04:40:47] <Wolf_> walmart or newegg? :D
[04:41:11] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/LxNNKnW.jpg
[04:41:26] <wolfmanjm> walmart ;)
[04:41:34] <wolfmanjm> I still need one more only got two
[04:41:50] <Wolf_> thats setup for step/dir in inverted
[04:42:06] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/Mfk4r3h.jpg
[04:42:15] <wolfmanjm> oh the proce went up to $108 in wallmart... gues I'll have to live with two
[04:42:36] <Wolf_> keep checking, they were at $11 this morning for the nema24
[04:42:56] <wolfmanjm> I just checedk they are $108 now
[04:42:57] <Wolf_> what size do you need and were are you at?
[04:43:14] <wolfmanjm> I want one more of the nema25 I'm in california
[04:43:34] <Wolf_> hmm, I didn’t see any nema25
[04:43:55] <Wolf_> I got nema23, 17 and I think 24
[04:45:15] <Wolf_> red wire in that pic is 5v from pc, jumped to all the + on the driver
[04:45:46] <wolfmanjm> sorry I meant nema24 http://www.walmart.com/ip/NEMA-24-2-Phase-Robot-Lathe-CNC-Stepper-Motor-76mm-4A-311oz.in-w-Driver/47002373
[04:47:33] <Wolf_> yeah, they had <12 listed around 9am EST yesterday at $11.51 each
[04:48:00] <wolfmanjm> damn missed it again :(
[04:48:08] <wolfmanjm> just need one now :)
[04:48:42] <Wolf_> well, if you don’t catch one in the next week or so hit me up lol
[04:48:50] <wolfmanjm> anyway I have mine wired direct to the parallel port and I get 5v from a separate PSU, not the PC. that is the main difference. I guess I need to run a 5v from the PC then
[04:49:02] <Wolf_> nope
[04:49:05] <wolfmanjm> Wolf_: where are you located?
[04:49:20] <Wolf_> just need to tie the ground to the breakout board from the 5v psu
[04:49:25] <wolfmanjm> I do that
[04:49:28] <Wolf_> Maryland
[04:49:52] <wolfmanjm> I connect the ground to one of the parallel port lines
[04:50:38] <wolfmanjm> it should work... but I see the dir pin toggle, 5v to 1.2v and I don;t think that is low enough for it to see logic zero
[04:50:49] <Wolf_> no, need it connected to the output side of the break out, oh, wait, you said no BOB
[04:50:54] <wolfmanjm> I'll try snagging 5v from the PC
[04:51:14] <wolfmanjm> I dont; have a breakout I am wiring direct to the parallel port
[04:51:38] <Wolf_> yeah, should just need a common gnd ref
[04:51:45] <Wolf_> to the 5v psu
[04:51:52] <wolfmanjm> it pretty muchg looks identical to yors (even using the same jumpers)
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[04:52:08] <Wolf_> get a BOB makes life easier
[04:52:18] <wolfmanjm> ok need to open up the PC again
[04:52:20] <Wolf_> like $10 w/ cables from china
[04:52:35] <Wolf_> or $20 from amazon if you don’t want to wait
[04:53:50] <Wolf_> I should have nema24 x5 368oz and x6 311oz otw at some point…
[04:55:02] <Wolf_> not 100% on the 368oz ones, all the item numbers are changed around on my newegg order lol
[04:56:42] <wolfmanjm> eh 328 vs 311 ar enot that important for what I wanted to use it for... trying to CNC an old shopsmith to turn it into a cnc mill
[04:57:36] <Wolf_> well, the n24 368oz were listed as nema23 150oz when I put my order in..
[04:57:38] <wolfmanjm> I just need to decide what I'm going to use for the XY table... thinking probably C-Beam from openbuilds
[04:58:00] <wolfmanjm> yea I heard :)
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[04:58:22] <wolfmanjm> I didn;t trust that Iwould end up with the same thing :) you can;t really complain if you get what yu order :)
[04:58:34] <wolfmanjm> Praesmeodymium was keeping me informed :)
[04:58:44] <Wolf_> ahh :)
[04:59:15] <Wolf_> wonder if that c beam will handle the side loads of a mill
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[04:59:45] <Praesmeodymium> I kept it to small channels lol less than 30
[05:00:40] <Wolf_> well, should be easier to get some of them motors now that Contract_Pilot isn’t buying them all up
[05:00:45] <Praesmeodymium> I bet you could buy one if ya need to off Contract_Pilot
[05:00:49] <Praesmeodymium> lol
[05:01:18] <Wolf_> I got 6 of the nema24 yesterday AM
[05:02:02] <Praesmeodymium> I got 4 of the 256 oz/in in stock with no project for em and in theory another 5 on the way of the 289 oz/in
[05:02:07] <Praesmeodymium> *389
[05:02:31] <Wolf_> I have 7x of the nema23 3whatever oz ones
[05:02:39] <Wolf_> no idea what to use them for
[05:03:17] <Wolf_> I might build a auto leveling gimbal for my laser transit with 2 of them lol
[05:03:29] <wolfmanjm> it is annoyin gthat the paralleport doesn;t have a 5v pin, I really thought it used to 20years ago when I was doing eprom programmers on DOS :)
[05:04:06] <Wolf_> tag 5v off a usb header on teh mobo
[05:04:27] <Praesmeodymium> and the handful of nema 17's I already had, but those have projects
[05:06:33] <wolfmanjm> what steptime etc did you use for those droivers? I just copied the slowest oned from the leadshine data
[05:07:01] <Wolf_> umm
[05:07:10] <Wolf_> I forget, let me go look
[05:07:31] <wolfmanjm> I just copied the DM556 50V 5.6A
[05:08:34] <Wolf_Mill> 5000ns step time/space, 20000ns dir hold/setup
[05:11:07] <Wolf_Mill> my other drivers which are dm542A are on 1500ns, 1500ns, 8000ns, 5000ns
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[05:17:24] <wolfmanjm> Hmm still doesn't work the voltage across the DIR+ DIR- is going from 4.9 to 1.7 the voltage on the dir pin measured to ground is 0.6v
[05:17:29] <wolfmanjm> to 3.3v
[05:17:57] <wolfmanjm> so seems there is some other issue, the parallel port pins are not driving hard enough when they go low
[05:17:58] <Wolf_Mill> set to inverted and whatnot right
[05:18:04] <wolfmanjm> yea tried both
[05:18:34] <Wolf_Mill> might need that bob with opto driven outputs
[05:18:40] <wolfmanjm> I'll try a series resistor see if that helps it drive lower
[05:19:03] <wolfmanjm> otherwise I'l ljust switch over to DRV8825 which I have a ton of
[05:19:12] <Wolf_Mill> derp, yeah may need a pull down
[05:19:42] <wolfmanjm> oh yea a pulldown may work even better
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[05:26:09] <wolfmanjm> yea needs a 1k series resistor between PUL- and the parallel port pin.. is there a schematic for those BoB? maybe they already have them
[05:26:26] <wolfmanjm> sticking a 1k series in there it now turns :)
[05:28:59] <Wolf_Mill> man these cob led light rings are bright
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[05:43:44] <archivist> add pull up resistors
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[06:04:36] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Yep =)
[06:04:45] <Jymmm> Wolf_: so are the strips
[06:06:00] <Jymmm> Wolf_: JUST DONT FLEX IT
[06:06:18] <Jymmm> and be sure to heatsink it
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[06:12:10] <Praesmeodymium> I bought 10m of rgb led strips for shop lighting we shall see how well it works
[06:12:38] <Jymmm> shop lighting? Why not cool/warm white instead?
[06:13:20] <Praesmeodymium> I need on blue light sometimes for photochemical stuff
[06:13:26] <Praesmeodymium> like the resin printer
[06:13:32] <Praesmeodymium> non* blue
[06:14:16] <Jymmm> Um RGB do mix to create WHITE (as example)
[06:14:38] <Jymmm> So BLUE would be on
[06:15:19] <Praesmeodymium> controlloble color so I can get red only or red yellow
[06:16:29] <Jymmm> Well, even yellow can have blue
[06:16:53] <Jymmm> It's a weird RGB led thing
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[06:43:44] <Wolf_> we all know he is really gonna hook up the music beat color fade
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[06:50:52] <MrSunshine> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leadshine-Easy-Servo-Drive-ES-D508-ES-M32320-3-Phase-NEMA23-Servo-motor-/171816268942?hash=item28010c348e:m:mO1YSAfhWGw9VNBzKKrR1kg hmm these packages from ebay .. a leadshine drive costs anywhere from 1500sek to 2000sek anywhere else i look, here you get a drive and a motor for 1500sek .. are they dripofs or is it true leadshine drives?
[06:52:11] <archivist> it is direct from china, so lacks all the profit takers along the way
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[06:52:36] <archivist> including import duties and vat etc
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[07:00:57] <Deejay> moin
[07:10:56] <Wolf_> morning
[07:14:57] <ganzuul> o/
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[07:37:08] <fenn> why would a drive input need a 1k resistor added in series?
[07:37:53] <wolfmanjm> seems the parallel port I use cannot sink the current that optocupler uses, the 1k keeps it from being pulled up
[07:38:11] <wolfmanjm> so it is the parallel port not the driver that needs it
[07:38:35] <fenn> so the drive has a pullup that is overpowering the parallel port?
[07:38:52] <wolfmanjm> the optocoupler is probably 25ma and the LPC port can probably sink 10ma I suspect
[07:39:03] <wolfmanjm> no it is an optocoupler
[07:39:17] <fenn> does the drive have an optocoupler in it?
[07:39:22] <wolfmanjm> +5v one end, you pul down the other end to 0 to drive it
[07:39:34] <wolfmanjm> yea it is a PUK+ PUK- type of drvoer
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[07:56:01] <MrSunshine> oh the tormachs uses leadshines drives even .. didnt know how they were qualitywise but i guess its alot better than random ebay stepper driver atleast? =)
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[10:32:02] <trentster> MrSunshine: the non-fake leadshines are very good
[10:32:11] <XXCoder> hey
[10:32:32] <trentster> altho these days if I was building again I would probably forego steppers and drivers altogether
[10:32:42] <trentster> XXCoder: howdy
[10:32:56] <XXCoder> odd http://calumk.com/posts/0022/lego_drawings/4x2.png
[10:33:09] <XXCoder> the bottom cylinders dont seem to be attached to anything
[10:35:08] <trentster> they are attached to the top surface
[10:35:30] <XXCoder> it shows height as 6.8
[10:35:43] <XXCoder> which is well below 8.2
[10:36:02] <trentster> hmmmm - yeah thats odd
[10:36:30] <trentster> error perhaps?
[10:37:40] <MrSunshine> trentster: so ebay == no go then ? =)
[10:37:54] <MrSunshine> trentster: "forego" ?
[10:38:01] <MrSunshine> im looking at the easy servo drives they have
[10:38:18] <XXCoder> his design is wrong anyway
[10:38:27] <XXCoder> studs is smaller than bottom tubes
[10:38:32] <XXCoder> meaning it does not attach
[10:38:58] <XXCoder> http://teachers.nhsd.net/teched/eightvehicle09.html look at tube and stud sizes
[10:39:02] <trentster> brb dinner
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[10:52:34] <trentster> MrSunshine: Its of course dependent on your budget and what you want to do but I would go for something closed loop
[10:53:07] <MrSunshine> yeah right now i have steppers, but i want to upgrade to closed loop on atleast x and y
[10:53:25] <MrSunshine> Z i can do with steppers for now
[10:53:56] <MrSunshine> but thinking of upgrading the torque also as with bigger steppers i get more speed before im at the failiure point =)
[10:54:38] <trentster> MrSunshine: http://www.teknic.com/products/clearpath-brushless-dc-servo-motors/#clearpath_sd_info
[10:54:42] <trentster> watch the video
[10:57:47] <malcom2073_> You can get servo controllers on ebay that have step/direction input, they're rather convenient
[10:58:17] <MrSunshine> i see no video
[10:59:52] <trentster> MrSunshine: https://monosnap.com/file/3WJE6ZQidnj4JBv8jzzWUfBRTvj08u
[11:02:21] <MrSunshine> problem with servos is that sure .. the peak torque is quite good .. but continious torque sucks until you pay with your house and car
[11:02:22] <MrSunshine> :P
[11:03:21] <MrSunshine> trentster: i see no picture looking like that
[11:03:27] <MrSunshine> i se eno video on the page you pasted ...
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[11:03:58] <malcom2073_> Err, you're thikning of steppers
[11:04:08] <MrSunshine> or there are some .. ill check .. but looks like its like double the price of a easy servo system if you want some continious torque
[11:04:18] <malcom2073_> servos have higher torque at lower speeds
[11:04:23] <malcom2073_> technically
[11:06:05] <malcom2073_> And better than steppers, since they'll give no less than their rated torque up to their rated rpm (derated above that, overrated below)
[11:07:35] <MrSunshine> the easy servo use 3 phase "steppers" with encoder, seems to be quite good from what i can see also
[11:08:23] <MrSunshine> but yes, they fall fast also with speed
[11:08:34] <malcom2073_> Yes, once you go above their rated rpm, they fall fast
[11:08:38] <malcom2073_> Don't go above their rated rpm :P
[11:09:12] <malcom2073_> I got a set of these I was playing around with: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Elmo-Motion-Control-BAN-5-60-Servo-Drive-Harmonica-/391298663057?hash=item5b1b37c291:g:RtgAAOSw3ydVxOyG
[11:09:16] <malcom2073_> They take step/direction input
[11:13:56] <fenn> why is that $25 instead of $450?
[11:15:01] <malcom2073_> Because it's used
[11:15:21] <malcom2073_> Same reason why linear actuators are $90 and $900
[11:15:29] <malcom2073_> Because ebay :P
[11:15:31] <fenn> but actuators can develop wear
[11:15:53] <malcom2073_> Let me rephrase: Same reason why used linear actuators are $90 and $900
[11:16:24] <malcom2073_> Used stuff is listed for anywhere from 0-100% of new price on ebay, I guess the near 100% guys are hoping someone doesn't research first and find the lower ones
[11:18:04] <MrSunshine> and why not not ship world wide .. canada and the us ... good on them
[11:18:24] <malcom2073_> It's a hassle, I don't ship worldwide when I sell stuff
[11:19:41] <fenn> yeah i haven't figured out how to ship to europe for < $50
[11:20:34] <fenn> i'm still amazed every time i buy some $1 thing from china and it shows up a couple days later in the mail
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[11:21:09] <malcom2073_> Yeah, I hear they have special deals with the shippers for that stuff, but I dunno, seems overly cheap heh
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[11:43:32] <Tom_itx> i think HK post charges 0 or a very low fee for vendors to encourage trade
[12:01:52] <_methods> hahah we just quoted a job for a german company here to make a table with some german made components and we quoted the table at $33k
[12:02:05] <_methods> like $20k of that was shipping and taxes from the german parts
[12:02:35] <Tom_itx> not your average table
[12:02:42] <_methods> it's an inspection table
[12:03:12] <_methods> had some inpection v-bearing blocks and a 4m rule on it
[12:03:21] <_methods> the rule was 780 euros
[12:03:33] <_methods> the shipping was like 4000 euros
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[12:04:48] <_methods> i haven't found a cheap way to deal with europe yet
[12:04:57] <_methods> maybe ship the stuff to china
[12:05:01] <_methods> then to europe lol
[12:05:06] <_methods> then it will only be $1.99
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[13:09:46] <jthornton> ssi, https://github.com/jethornton lol I created a package
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[13:14:17] <CaptHindsight> _methods: just setup a shop in China :)
[13:15:24] <CaptHindsight> _methods: the import duty into China is 10% on just about everything, and if the shipping cost is higher than the value of the items they charge 10% of the shipping cost
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[13:17:30] <CaptHindsight> _methods: the main difference there is that they use a different word for just about everything
[13:23:39] <ganzuul> Can I get aliminium so hot that it melts the brazing on brazed carbide tool bits?
[13:25:25] <ganzuul> _methods: Someone tipped me about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Less_than_truckload_shipping
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[13:31:03] <_methods> china shop sounds like fun
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[13:44:46] <ssi> jthornton: nice! :D
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[13:48:17] <JT-Shop> thanks it is starting to make sense now
[13:48:28] <JT-Shop> now to have a GUI to pick the file name
[13:48:46] <ssi> have you found any sensible go ui toolkit bindings?
[13:49:29] <JT-Shop> I haven't looked very hard, but Python can run go iirc
[13:50:15] <ssi> ah you're gonna do the ui in python and shell out to the dxf parser?
[13:50:59] <JT-Shop> kinda makes sense at this point
[13:51:34] <ssi> yeah, it's not unreasonable
[13:54:16] <JT-Shop> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2903615/application-development/googles-gxui-equips-golang-with-an-experimental-cross-platform-ui.html
[13:54:37] <ssi> that's what I've been hoping to see
[13:54:46] <ssi> actually another thing I'd like to see would be good cocoa bindings for go
[13:54:56] <JT-Shop> https://github.com/mattn/go-gtk
[13:54:56] <ssi> if I could write native osx apps with cocoa ui in go, I'd be in heaven
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[13:55:13] <JT-Shop> what is cocoa?
[13:55:20] <ssi> cocoa is osx's native UI toolkit
[13:56:28] <JT-Shop> ah ok
[13:57:16] <JT-Shop> https://github.com/go-gl
[13:59:42] <CaptHindsight> one could offer the finest machine tools from China by shipping them from the US to China, add some final operation "Made in China" stamp and ship at low cost around the world
[14:00:18] <ssi> the value of that would be what?
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[14:01:25] <CaptHindsight> actual precision machine tools from China
[14:01:39] <ssi> china is more than capable of making high quality, precision machine tools
[14:01:46] <ssi> just not for $1000
[14:02:01] <ssi> so this happened last night:
[14:02:01] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRxAFmPWEAAe2ZY.jpg:large
[14:02:07] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRxAOBTUYAA5LG8.jpg:large
[14:02:09] <CaptHindsight> woosh
[14:02:14] <ssi> for a first mold pour, I'm pretty pleased
[14:03:09] <ssi> sand was still a bit too dry, and my "pattern" is too heavy, so I got some breaking of the edges around the parting line when I flipped the drag and the pattern fell out
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[14:03:50] <ssi> but the metal seems to be good quality, I cut on it some in the mill and there are few voids
[14:04:11] <ssi> so I think my pour temp is pretty good
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[14:04:27] <ssi> my crucible seems to hold 7-8lb of aluminum
[14:06:19] <JT-Shop> did you have risers on both ends?
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[14:06:49] <ssi> no, just the sprue for this one
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[17:21:28] <ssi> quiet in here today :(
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[17:22:03] <SpeedEvil> :P{
[17:22:09] <malcom2073_> Auction near me: http://www.irsauctions.com/auctions/00019426/hires/336374A.jpg
[17:23:22] <malcom2073_> I could give zeeshan a run for his money :)
[17:23:37] <ssi> git it
[17:24:11] <Jymmm> malcom2073_: MOVE IT!
[17:24:34] <malcom2073_> I'd rather this: http://www.irsauctions.com/auctions/00019426/hires/336369b.jpg
[17:24:40] <Jymmm> malcom2073_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdcTmpvDO0I
[17:24:42] <malcom2073_> both have a current bid of $200
[17:24:53] <malcom2073_> Jymmm: +1 first thing I thought of when you said that
[17:25:00] <Jymmm> =)
[17:25:08] <malcom2073_> I have kids, what's your excuse? :P
[17:25:19] <Jymmm> It's a good movie =)
[17:25:32] <malcom2073_> True
[17:25:46] <ssi> malcom2073_: I submit you need both
[17:26:01] <malcom2073_> ssi: I submit that you should bring your forklift up here for me
[17:26:08] <Jymmm> malcom2073_: Plus it has LOTS of base
[17:26:13] <ssi> send me down a truck and we'll bring it up
[17:26:14] <ssi> :P
[17:26:35] <malcom2073_> Jymmm: But who does it belong to?
[17:26:36] <malcom2073_> The base
[17:26:50] <ssi> us
[17:26:52] <ssi> all of it
[17:26:54] <malcom2073_> :)
[17:27:22] <Jymmm> malcom2073_: Geffen Records =)
[17:27:29] <ssi> move all zig
[17:27:35] <malcom2073_> Jymmm: Fail
[17:27:52] <malcom2073_> Man, I'll bet I could make some money with those two machines
[17:27:57] <malcom2073_> If I were to learn to use them
[17:27:58] <ssi> I bet you could
[17:28:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.irsauctions.com/popups/bidders_paddle.asp?lot=336377&auction=QBK53AT7TKVS22X4QCHN059U2EQ7X5&id=19426
[17:28:12] <malcom2073_> The mill comes with manuals and software... on magnetic tape
[17:28:21] <malcom2073_> yeah I saw that one too CaptHindsight heh
[17:28:36] <malcom2073_> 60" between centers
[17:28:44] <ssi> you'd have to power the bastard too
[17:28:54] <ssi> the one capt linked wants 220V 3ph 140FLA
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[17:29:02] <malcom2073_> ssi: The ones I linked do too
[17:29:05] <malcom2073_> the lathe is 43kva
[17:29:06] <ssi> I'm sure
[17:29:25] <ssi> I'm moving into a new hangar
[17:29:28] <Jymmm> malcom2073_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYSVMgRr6pw
[17:29:33] <ssi> the one next to me has two 480V 3ph services on it
[17:29:35] <ssi> so jealous :(
[17:29:59] <malcom2073_> ssi: Get them to put that service in yours too! :)
[17:30:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.irsauctions.com/index_search_results.asp?ind=51&srch=287 page of CNC lathes
[17:30:12] <ssi> it's not that simple
[17:30:19] <malcom2073_> I live in the country, I'm sure if I pay for a transformer they'd run three phase into my house
[17:30:23] <malcom2073_> Since I have a pole/transformer to myself
[17:30:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.irsauctions.com/index_search_results.asp?ind=51&srch=276 vertical mills, some with CNC
[17:30:46] <ssi> actually since their meters are like four feet from mine I bet I could get 480/3 pretty simply
[17:30:52] <malcom2073_> I'm gonna bid on the vices, since I don't have a vice
[17:31:26] <ssi> malcom2073_: link?
[17:31:30] * Jymmm thinks malcom2073_has LOTS of vices.
[17:31:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.irsauctions.com/index_search_results.asp?ind=51&srch=396 welders
[17:31:39] <malcom2073_> Jymmm: shhh, hush your lips
[17:31:45] <malcom2073_> ssi: http://www.irsauctions.com/index_lots.asp?pg=details&id=19426
[17:31:47] <malcom2073_> somewhere in there
[17:32:01] <Jymmm> malcom2073_: I call em as I see em!
[17:32:42] <malcom2073_> http://www.irsauctions.com/index_search_auction.asp?id=19426*19429*19432*19434*19435*19441*19442*19444*19445*19446*19447*19451&pid=19426&view=category
[17:32:44] <malcom2073_> scroll down to "Vices"
[17:32:58] <malcom2073_> Vises
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[17:33:10] <malcom2073_> Or this: http://www.irsauctions.com/index_search_results.asp?pg=auction&id=19426*19429*19432*19434*19435*19441*19442*19444*19445*19446*19447*19451&pid=19426&view=category
[17:33:39] <MacGalempsy> connects to a blank page malcom
[17:33:54] <malcom2073_> Website sucks. Oh well, search for vises
[17:33:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Okuma-LSF15-2SP-CNC-Lathe-/181853874464 $4500 or best
[17:34:09] <ssi> will they ship any of the smaller stuff?
[17:34:17] <malcom2073_> ssi Local pickup onl
[17:34:21] <ssi> naturally
[17:34:25] <malcom2073_> Yep
[17:34:30] <malcom2073_> However
[17:34:33] <malcom2073_> I will ship for you if youwant
[17:34:35] <malcom2073_> :P
[17:34:52] <ssi> you could collect for me and I could fly up and pick it up :P>
[17:34:59] <malcom2073_> You buying anything less than 250lbs?
[17:35:02] <ssi> yea
[17:35:07] <ssi> er, not buying anything
[17:35:09] <ssi> but looking at tooling
[17:35:34] <ssi> I gotta pay them a dollar to verify my identity?!
[17:35:39] <malcom2073_> I'd do it for ya, even if I don't win anything that's like 15 minutes from my house. Unsure the logistics of me picking up someone elses auction though
[17:35:51] <CaptHindsight> NO CANADIANS. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hardinge-Super-Precision-Lathe-Sony-1axe-DRO-Ametek-Tachometer-nobo-INV-17754/321762345201
[17:35:53] <malcom2073_> I think they refund you the dollar? not sure
[17:36:00] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073_: I the stopped motor is a short somewhere in the line between the motor and the amp
[17:36:03] <CaptHindsight> anti-canadite ^^
[17:36:18] <malcom2073_> MacGalempsy: What happened? You broke it?
[17:36:27] <CaptHindsight> must be a hockey fan
[17:36:29] <ssi> No foreign bidders. No exceptions. NO CANADIANS.
[17:36:30] <ssi> lol
[17:36:44] <MacGalempsy> when it stopped the other day and you boned out real quick, lol
[17:36:56] <malcom2073_> Ah heh
[17:37:09] <ssi> I fixed the rod knock in my Z
[17:37:13] <MacGalempsy> well, looking at the cable, it looks like that was the PO had gotten things tangled up
[17:37:15] <ssi> it doesn't run anymore
[17:37:16] <ssi> or hold oil
[17:37:18] <malcom2073_> ssi: That's normal for auction places to charge you a dollar and then refund it to ensure you give them a valid account info
[17:37:20] <ssi> but it doesn't knock :D
[17:37:21] <MacGalempsy> because the hard cover is separated in 2 spots
[17:37:29] <malcom2073_> Nice
[17:37:37] <CaptHindsight> what's he got against Canadians? Too polite?
[17:37:44] <MacGalempsy> so the PITA will be unwiring everything and replacing the conduit
[17:38:54] <CaptHindsight> $2500 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mori-Seiki-SL-1-CNC-Lathe-/111798477285
[17:39:09] <CaptHindsight> It needs a new memory card
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[17:40:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Okuma-LB15-CNC-Lathe/191715778770 current bid $500, looks like no reserve
[17:40:43] <malcom2073_> Heh CaptHindsight, you looking for a lathe?
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[17:41:20] <CaptHindsight> maybe lathe parts if they are good enough
[17:41:46] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MyFord-Super-7-ML7-Lathe-Cabinet-More-/231724599663? /me is sort of pondering
[17:42:02] <SpeedEvil> (it's 5 miles away)
[17:42:27] <CaptHindsight> looks like recent paint
[17:42:36] <SpeedEvil> likely
[17:43:19] <CaptHindsight> I usually don't do very big parts. I typically need very high precision
[17:43:34] <malcom2073_> You need one of them granite air bearing lathes
[17:43:48] <CaptHindsight> building it from scratch
[17:43:56] <ssi> k I bid on a couple things
[17:44:02] <ssi> I hope I don't create a big problem for myself :)
[17:44:35] <malcom2073_> Haha
[17:44:37] <CaptHindsight> ssi list of unfinished projects 1-100 :)
[17:44:40] <malcom2073_> Don't bid in anything I can't carry
[17:44:51] <ssi> malcom2073_: nothing over 60lb or so :)
[17:44:55] <malcom2073_> k that's not bad
[17:45:05] <malcom2073_> Wait 60lbs, you bid on a vise?
[17:45:15] <ssi> lol yeah I bid on the chicks
[17:45:18] <ssi> and a mitu bore gage
[17:45:26] <malcom2073_> Ok, I'm gonna bid on a couple vises, so I'll avoid that one :P
[17:45:33] <ssi> yea I didn't bid on any of the kurt d60s
[17:45:45] <ssi> the chick 6 and the chick 4
[17:45:57] <malcom2073_> I'm gonna try for a d60, if that fails, I'll try one of the cheaper ones
[17:46:03] <malcom2073_> auction doesn't end for two weeks
[17:46:04] <malcom2073_> fwiw
[17:46:09] <ssi> yea I know
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[17:46:35] <malcom2073_> bbl
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[17:53:15] <Tom_itx> ssi remind me to not let you fix any of my engine noises mkay?
[17:54:31] <ssi> :D
[17:54:42] <ssi> lets just say bad decisions were made last night
[17:54:51] <ssi> involving getting a battery for the car and wanting to see what it'd do under boost
[17:55:15] <ssi> it was after 1 am, that's all I have to say for myself
[17:57:44] <Tom_itx> hah
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[18:19:48] <Contract_Pilot> Got one of my new egg order large motors
[18:20:56] <ssi> CaptHindsight: my newegg order shows delivered
[18:20:59] <ssi> ...in florida
[18:21:12] <ssi> I don't know if they gave me the wrong tracking number, or shipped to the wrong place, or wtf exactly
[18:21:23] <CaptHindsight> ssi: thanks I'll stop worrying now :)
[18:21:38] <pcw_home> someone in Florida is probably surprised
[18:21:44] <ssi> glad you were concerned for my well-being
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[18:34:33] <wolfmanjm> Contract_Pilot: got a link for that on newegg?
[18:34:47] <wolfmanjm> I need one more
[18:35:04] <wolfmanjm> git two from walmart but looks like that nema24 deal is over
[18:35:15] <wolfmanjm> got*
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[18:37:03] <wolfmanjm> not sure how th eproce went from $12 to $122 over night :)
[18:40:32] <Jymmm> When pulling wire, is it better to cement up all the joints first, or pull with the joint dry-fit then cement up afterwards? I have a straight run of 40ft, left for 12;, down for 4', left for 12', then up for 4'.
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[18:57:08] <andypugh> I just made a super-short BT30 / ER32 collet. The collet nut _just_ misses the drive dogs of the BT30 spindle.
[18:57:31] <andypugh> But, despite my best efforts, it isn’t concentric.
[18:57:41] <andypugh> Which is a puzzle.
[18:58:39] <andypugh> I turned the BT taper, then machined a taper socket in a lump of steel in the 4-jaw, and mounted the taper in that to bore the ER32 socket. (Without removing the lump of steel from the chuck)
[18:58:53] <andypugh> I really can’t see how that could fail to make a concentric thing
[18:59:17] <cradek> how bad is it?
[19:00:01] <andypugh> 20 thou at the end of the extension holder that the router cutter is in.
[19:00:04] <cradek> are you sure the tapers matched?
[19:00:19] <andypugh> I machined them both at 8.13 CNC degrees
[19:00:21] <cradek> oh wow, that's bad :-)
[19:00:58] <andypugh> I am going to run the routed parts anyway.
[19:01:54] <andypugh> If I try to re-cut the ER32 taper then the lock nut won’t miss the drive dogs.
[19:02:21] <cradek> if you cut away half the nut it'll be even shorter
[19:02:48] <andypugh> But then it might not catch the thread at the top of the collet range
[19:03:06] <cradek> yeah, and ER32 needs a lot of locking force, the nuts might be the way they are for a reason
[19:03:48] <andypugh> I saw some super-slim collet nuts where the spanner fits into slits where the extraction ring is, and the spanner _is_ the extraction thing.
[19:04:43] <andypugh> I guess the solution is to in-situ machine the tapet in the milling machine.
[19:04:45] <cradek> looks like maritool's shortest one is pretty long: https://www.maritool.com/product_info.php?products_id=53
[19:05:08] <cradek> yeah, then you have your pullstud being pulled appropriately too
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[19:06:09] <andypugh> You can get zero-length ER32 on a 40 taper: http://www.cutwel.co.uk/tool-holding/spindle-tooling/er-collet-chucks/bt-mas-er-collet-chucks/bt-mas-er-collet-chuck-extra-short-length-12000rpm
[19:07:14] <cradek> sweet
[19:07:47] <andypugh> But only ER20 in BT30.
[19:07:51] <PetefromTn_> I have used some like that before they are nice for rigidity
[19:07:55] <andypugh> (ANd I need to hold 19.05 mm)
[19:08:59] <cradek> I've made an unlikely thing by starting with a weldon holder and cutting away what I didn't want (on the machine with a lathe tool). I would really hate to make the whole thing.
[19:11:10] <andypugh> With a CNC lathe is’t not so hard as long as you don’t mind it being soft.
[19:11:40] <andypugh> (and the boring bar shanks are the cheapest blanks :-)
[19:13:58] <malcom2073_> wolfmanjm: The newegg deal is over too, they're $122 now
[19:14:28] <malcom2073_> It was the same seller in both places
[19:15:08] <malcom2073_> ssi: My tracking number said it was delivered to Las Vegas
[19:19:01] <malcom2073_> I sent the seller an email, telling them to either send me the right tracking number, refund my money, or reship the item
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[19:51:02] <wolfmanjm> damn ;( anyone want to resell a spare nema24? (or nema23) with driver?
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[20:07:33] <malcom2073_> wolfmanjm: Gonna be hard pressed to find them much cheaper than they are on ebay, just cause someone picked it up for cheap, doesn't make it worth any less :P
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[20:16:50] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1204283/zeropi-arduino-and-raspberry-pi-compatible-develop?ref=category
[20:16:53] <XXCoder> interesting
[20:19:47] <XXCoder> it dont say what size steppers
[20:20:58] <andypugh> The stepper module based on DRV8825 which maximum output 2.5A current, be careful that a heat sink is necessary for DRV8825.
[20:21:35] <andypugh> Tempting to throw $73 at it just in case.
[20:23:55] <XXCoder> nice, a new unprinter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/948513712/felfil-evo-a-filament-extruder-for-3d-printers-mad?ref=category
[20:28:31] <malcom2073_> Finally cutting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQVX5iM4Rq4
[20:29:20] <XXCoder> malcom2073_: nice camerawork
[20:29:29] <malcom2073_> Are you being sarcastic?
[20:29:32] <XXCoder> most people its like camera is mounted on springs
[20:29:37] <malcom2073_> Youtube stabilization
[20:29:38] <malcom2073_> :P
[20:29:46] <XXCoder> interesting
[20:29:49] <malcom2073_> I also filmed it vertical
[20:29:51] <malcom2073_> and let youtube fix it
[20:30:10] <malcom2073_> Works for things like this, if you do stabilization on something with large moving parts, it'll make you sick to watch heh
[20:30:30] <XXCoder> maybe not as sick as handhelds do to me
[20:31:39] <malcom2073_> I saw a *really* good one where stabilization made the whole scene go wonky a while back heh
[20:32:16] <malcom2073_> I'm gonna make a camera mount for my mill though, so it won't be an issue
[20:33:57] <PetefromTn_> looks great malcom but you could probably run three times that fast ;)
[20:34:07] <malcom2073_> Yeah probably :P Wasn't getting warm from rubbing though
[20:34:20] <malcom2073_> Taking 0.2" cuts, and 1200rpm on a 1/4" cutter
[20:34:35] <PetefromTn_> congrats on your first cuts on the mill tho looks great
[20:34:49] <malcom2073_> I checked the circle, no discernable backlash which is nice
[20:34:52] <PetefromTn_> that was only 1200? looks faster than htat
[20:35:02] <malcom2073_> It's a tiny cutter
[20:35:19] <XXCoder> er16 sized?
[20:35:31] <malcom2073_> I have no idea what size these collets are
[20:35:51] <malcom2073_> I'm only using this, because the toolholder for the 3/16th tool had a burr and I couldn't get the tool in it heh
[20:35:55] <Connor> malcom2073_: Got pictures of the machine?
[20:35:56] <XXCoder> er16 is bit less than inch itself
[20:36:01] <XXCoder> er32 is roughly 2 in
[20:36:04] <malcom2073_> XXCoder: They're about that size
[20:36:09] <malcom2073_> The collet itself, around an inch
[20:36:12] <malcom2073_> Connor: yeah wait one
[20:36:20] <XXCoder> yea er16 atound that
[20:36:39] <malcom2073_> https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12088497_1151781034836276_4743407301859387374_n.jpg?oh=938679b5cce8ee6ff682b95b015a369c&oe=56C84F6A
[20:36:40] <XXCoder> I hope my cnc router circle is as smooth lol
[20:36:57] <Connor> WOW. That's a funny looking machine.
[20:37:00] <XXCoder> fb links sometimes dont work but this time it did
[20:37:04] <malcom2073_> The knee is *really* high up
[20:37:09] <malcom2073_> It goes way down though
[20:37:12] <XXCoder> weird machine
[20:37:20] <malcom2073_> It's a fairly normal looking knee mill....
[20:37:25] <XXCoder> nice and large table though
[20:37:39] <Connor> Not really.. the head is funny looking...
[20:37:46] <Connor> Never seen one like it before.
[20:37:48] <malcom2073_> You're just used to tilt heads :P
[20:38:03] <PetefromTn_> looks pretty normal to me
[20:38:12] <XXCoder> I see it onkly has one axis for head, C
[20:38:44] <XXCoder> for a min I tho8ught it had thin legs at front but its just ladder past it lol
[20:38:52] <malcom2073_> lol yeah
[20:38:58] <malcom2073_> http://mikesshop.net/millmove/image023.jpg
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[20:39:03] <malcom2073_> There it is with all the panels on
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[20:39:22] <XXCoder> it was broken?
[20:39:41] <malcom2073_> Heh, "ran when parked"
[20:40:18] <malcom2073_> The guy ddi a retrofit for a guy with EMC and some servo2go cards years and years ago, but the guy didn't like it, so he gave it to him for payment heh
[20:40:34] <malcom2073_> He didn't have much use for it, so it sat in his garage, then eventually outside
[20:40:48] <XXCoder> so you bought it and fixed it up eh
[20:40:51] <malcom2073_> Yeah
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[20:41:15] <malcom2073_> Converted it to steppers for quicker setup
[20:41:30] <malcom2073_> It was a month away from going to the scrapyard
[20:42:21] <XXCoder> nice
[20:42:27] <XXCoder> cheap I guess if it was ready to go
[20:42:41] <MacGalempsy> anyone else watch Green Arrow? finally got caught up. lol
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[20:43:08] <Connor> MacGalempsy: No. Not the "Green Arrow" but, I watch Arrow.
[20:43:18] <MacGalempsy> well, thats what I mean Connor
[20:43:29] <Connor> MacGalempsy: I know. Giving you a hard time.
[20:43:39] <malcom2073_> lol
[20:43:54] <MacGalempsy> I hear malcom2073_is a vigilante
[20:43:56] <MacGalempsy> lol
[20:44:23] <XXCoder> I watched it. it was 'arrowing
[20:44:35] <malcom2073_> Hah
[20:45:17] <andypugh> So, I was looking for an over-board riser card for the PCIe slot on my out-of-production DN2800MT. I couldn’t find one for ages, but when I did, it was perfect: http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=13552
[20:46:00] <PetefromTn_> I watch it. pretty good actually
[20:46:14] <Connor> pcw pcw_home Saw a post on cnczone about someone complaining they hadn't gotten their 5i25 card yet.. was in one of the Path Pilot threads...
[20:46:16] <MacGalempsy> needle in a haystack still is only worth the price of a needle
[20:46:55] <Connor> Thank goodness I upgraded my Tivo to a 6 tunner modal.
[20:47:07] <andypugh> They should order a 6i24 instead, those arrive promptly :-)
[20:47:10] <Connor> Monday and Tuesday nights give it a run for it's money.
[20:47:31] <Connor> andypugh: Just letting him know so they don't go a bad mouth him.
[20:47:34] <MacGalempsy> what other software packages are supported by the mesa 5i25?
[20:48:35] <XXCoder> added toggle gif animation plugin to firefox
[20:48:42] <XXCoder> few gif is REALLY annoying
[20:51:28] <andypugh> MacGalempsy: Mesa sell mainly to industrial markets, so it is likely to be various proprietry things. Having said that I think that the 5i25 / 7i76 boards are rather targetted at LinuxCNC.
[20:53:41] <Deejay> gn8
[20:54:03] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: ok. I was wondering if there were any that were easier to program than LinuxCNC
[20:54:20] <MacGalempsy> some with paid support
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[20:55:15] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/20-lot-1024x576.jpg
[20:55:37] <XXCoder> this one apparently just started up https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1401318806/custom-cmm-fixturing?ref=category
[20:55:47] <Connor> Contract_Pilot: What's all that for?
[20:56:10] <Contract_Pilot> them are the 20 from new egg
[20:56:21] <Connor> For what?
[20:56:26] <Connor> why would you need 20?
[20:56:30] <Contract_Pilot> they were cheap.
[20:56:41] <Contract_Pilot> Ebay for fund my builds hahaha
[20:56:41] <Connor> What size are they?
[20:56:45] <MacGalempsy> <== donations accepted
[20:56:47] <XXCoder> Contract_Pilot: long nema23s?
[20:56:52] <Contract_Pilot> 400oz ish
[20:56:58] <Connor> double stacks.
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[20:57:01] <Contract_Pilot> yea, long 23's
[20:57:10] <XXCoder> thats far more powerful than mine
[20:57:11] <Connor> Do you know the impedance of them?
[20:57:33] <XXCoder> Contract_Pilot: link? not sure if my power supply can supply those though lol
[20:57:37] <Connor> People often forget to check that.. and the cheap ones are horrible. requiring a rather high voltage PSU
[20:57:40] <Contract_Pilot> 57HS11242A4
[20:58:24] <Connor> err.. is it inductance.. not impedance..
[20:58:27] <Connor> brain not working.
[20:58:50] <malcom2073_> inductance yeah
[20:59:20] <malcom2073_> 80v FTW
[21:01:04] <XXCoder> Contract_Pilot: how cheap did you buy em?
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[21:04:09] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, going to go out and test them all tonight.
[21:04:11] <XXCoder> interesting https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2141865151/ctc-4-in-1-cnc-mill-laser-pcb-3d-printer-all-in-on?ref=category
[21:06:13] <Connor> I found a All in one 3D printer / CNC machine doesn't work that well.
[21:06:25] <XXCoder> yeah decided against it
[21:06:28] <Connor> Too hard to clean up the machine to goto print.
[21:06:34] <XXCoder> well laters
[21:06:48] <andypugh> My all-in-one lathe-mill is a bad mill and a poor lathe. I can’t see that combo being any better
[21:07:15] <andypugh> But, if you only have room for one machine, the price is rather impressive.
[21:09:19] <Connor> 3 watt laser.
[21:10:00] <Contract_Pilot> http://sumtorelec.com/product.asp?plt=10&Pone=1&Ptwo=10&Pthree=0&Pfour=0
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[21:12:50] <Contract_Pilot> 4.2A 1.4ohm 1.8MH
[21:16:31] <Connor> 1.8mH isn't bad. I've seen them MUCH higher.
[21:17:00] <Connor> and they're 424oz-in
[21:29:31] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, them are china spec's
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[21:33:37] <Contract_Pilot> On my Inductance meter coming up 1.38mh at .6 ohm
[21:33:58] <Contract_Pilot> Cheap china meter.
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[21:35:41] <MacGalempsy> sounds like you should start buying Made in USA stuff
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[21:37:59] <MrSunshine> haha
[21:38:04] <MrSunshine> to get stuff that is like its from the 50s :P
[21:39:09] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/57HS11242A4-Inductance-e1445377116745.jpg
[21:41:25] <MacGalempsy> http://geekologie.com/2015/10/i-need-one-new-radio-rifle-designed-to-d.php
[21:41:37] <MacGalempsy> Looks like a good way to down a drone and rob the parts
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[21:43:40] <PCW> Connor: they should order it from Tormach :-)
[21:44:01] <Connor> pcw I think it might be someone using on a different macine.
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[21:44:11] <Connor> not a Tormach
[21:44:46] <PCW> Yeah people have asked for help with Pathpilot but I really can only help with LinuxCNC
[21:46:24] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/novakon-systems/278468-tormach-5.html#post1776860
[21:47:15] <PCW> Yeah
[21:48:07] <MacGalempsy> lol "blackhole"
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[21:49:57] <Connor> pcw Like I said, just letting you know so they don't go and start bad mouthing you or anything.. sounds like a impatient a$$ hole.
[21:50:46] <PCW> we are very slow now on orders at least 2-3 weeks behind
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[21:55:28] <Contract_Pilot> I am still waiting for mesa to get stock.
[21:55:47] <Contract_Pilot> Little over a month now.
[21:56:24] <Contract_Pilot> End of the week will be 6 weeks out of stock.
[21:57:13] <PCW> Use a 7I76E we have them is stock
[21:57:51] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure if my nic on the PC will handel the 7i76E
[21:59:01] <Tom_itx> do googlebots still pounce on meta keywords?
[21:59:07] <Contract_Pilot> 5 weeks ago was said 4 weeks till stock arrives.
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[21:59:27] <Praesmeodymium> Contract_Pilot: was the show good for ya?
[21:59:42] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, show was good nto the best but good.
[22:00:24] <Praesmeodymium> cool, did you do vendor stuff thats what it sounded like ya were prepping for
[22:00:58] <PetefromTn_> http://augusta.craigslist.org/tls/5260546222.html ROFL
[22:02:33] <Contract_Pilot> May need 3 7I76's now.
[22:03:04] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, I had a table there.
[22:03:17] <Contract_Pilot> Long 3 days.
[22:03:25] <malcom2073_> Lol Pete, seems legit
[22:03:26] <Contract_Pilot> Albany on the 31st and the 1st
[22:04:40] <Contract_Pilot> Need to do some swaping on these motors and drive's
[22:07:01] <PetefromTn_> It amazes me what some people's idea of HEAVY DUTY is...
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[22:14:18] <Praesmeodymium> if I were a more social creature swapping stuff would be easier, I spent a summer down at saturday market trying to sell soap I had made... omg I am just no good with crowds
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[22:21:01] <andypugh> PCW: My cards got here, they spent something like 5 days in customs.
[22:21:51] <PCW> Can't do a lot about customs (I think Canada is worse)
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[22:24:04] <JT-Shop> well crumb I need to upgrade my online store to use newer php
[22:25:19] <andypugh> PCW: Indeed, the Mesa to UK leg was reasonably expeditious.
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[22:28:02] <zeeshan> PCW: my card
[22:28:06] <zeeshan> did not get stuck in customs :)
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[22:33:51] <PCW> zeeshan: you were lucky
[22:34:09] <Tom_itx> yeah Canada customs sucks the big one
[22:34:24] <Tom_itx> however there are much worse ones
[22:35:15] <Tom_itx> italy was very slow
[22:39:21] <Sync> depends on the bribe money
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