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[00:17:02] <ssi> wow what a mess
[00:17:37] <PetefromTn_> heh
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[00:18:05] <ssi> :P
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[00:21:50] <Tom_itx> well stop kickin the plug!
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[00:22:08] <ssi> SORRY
[00:22:08] <ssi> GOSH
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[00:24:13] <Wolf_> I think zeeshan plugged in the lathe
[00:24:22] <ssi> lol
[00:24:55] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:24:59] <zeeshan|2> shuddap
[00:24:59] <zeeshan|2> :P
[00:25:25] <ssi> he shorted something and that 750A service he ran didn't pop
[00:25:27] <ssi> but the internet went away
[00:25:44] <Tom_itx> took out the whole of the northern hemisphere!
[00:25:49] <zeeshan|2> ssi you know whats funny
[00:25:51] <zeeshan|2> i am sizing breakers
[00:25:53] <zeeshan|2> at work :D
[00:25:55] <zeeshan|2> sometimes
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[01:36:43] <fenn> wow steel cutting circular saw blades
http://youtu.be/blQAe51F6oM
[01:37:35] <fenn> i wonder if it cuts stainless
[01:37:37] <Wolf_> I have a 14” cold saw
[01:37:50] <fenn> not a "cold saw" these are high RPM
[01:38:51] <fenn> goes in place of a regular woodworking saw or abrasive cutoff saw
[01:42:25] <Tom_itx> saw similar in that log video earlier only a circular blade
[01:43:14] <Wolf_> hmm guess so, my dry cut only runs at 1500
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[01:44:22] <fenn> Tom_itx: yeah the golf cart sawmill video is where i found out about it
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[02:44:47] <Jymmmm> Tom_itx: WHERE'S *MY* LIGHT DAMNIT?!?!?!
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[02:49:56] <Jymmmm> fenn: $52 from Lowes
[02:50:08] <Jymmmm> for 7.25" blade
[02:50:42] <Jymmmm> " Saw blade can be resharpened "
[02:50:53] <Jymmmm> http://www.lowes.com/pd_208735-28303-21894KST714040CT_0__?productId=3452936
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[02:53:14] <Wolf_> I use to take my 14” dry cut blades to fastenal and have them sent out to be sharpened
[02:53:41] <Contract_Pilot> Carbide blades make good cut off tools
[02:54:16] <Jymmmm> titanium even better
[02:54:43] <Wolf_> huh
[02:55:37] <Jymmmm> Wolf_: read the desc @ lowes
[02:57:57] <Wolf_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008WQ3E?colid=17DSS1ER9A6EV&coliid=I1YKFFTYPCK38P&psc=1&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl
[02:58:30] <Wolf_> I have had that on my amazon list for 3 years now…
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[03:32:10] <Contract_Pilot> got a refund from walmart??
[03:32:27] <Contract_Pilot> 9 of them darn it.
[03:37:11] <Wolf_> guess they figured they sent enough to ya
[03:38:53] <Contract_Pilot> Yea.
[03:41:15] <Contract_Pilot> Darn was hoping in at least 2 more guarenteed big motors.
[03:41:29] <Contract_Pilot> no telling whats coming form china.
[03:41:49] <Wolf_> yeah :/
[03:42:37] <Wolf_> I have that one nema23 78oz listed one otw w/ china tracking
[03:42:56] <Contract_Pilot> I have 20 of them.
[03:43:16] <Contract_Pilot> Should be the larger ones as the part number and photo are of the larger ones.
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[03:43:52] <Contract_Pilot> Either way should be able to sell them off and get what I want.
[03:44:14] <Wolf_> also have 5x nema17 74oz otw
[03:44:28] <Wolf_> which I have no idea what to do with lol
[03:50:25] <Contract_Pilot> Somone here was loooking for the nema 17s
[03:50:37] <Contract_Pilot> Maybe we all can do some swapping.
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[03:55:17] <MacGalempsy> hello
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[03:57:51] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: saw your new pics on FB. what are those bad boys for?
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[04:05:50] <Praesmeodymium> the 3dprinter guys love nema 17s
[04:06:01] <Praesmeodymium> pretty much cheapest motor you can get
[04:06:32] <Praesmeodymium> I mean that isnt for a dr or something equally tiny
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[04:19:52] <CaptHindsight> maybe the FDM printer guys, not the SLA, SLS, DMLS, Inkjet etc 3d printers
[04:20:50] <Praesmeodymium> yeah
[04:21:17] <Praesmeodymium> well my sla printer has a single nema 17 on it
[04:22:10] <CaptHindsight> they should just be called YHP = Yoda Head Printers
[04:36:22] <MacGalempsy> when I click the spindle + button, the abs.spindle.is-negative = true does this mean my encoder count is inverted?
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[05:35:01] <Jymmm> http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/hoverboard-duru-1.3270569
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[05:52:04] <MacGalempsy> thats pretty cool
[05:52:35] <MacGalempsy> actually pretty exciting
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[06:08:19] <Praesmeodymium> my sister told me... and now i am watching theres 3d printers on project runway
[06:08:24] <MacGalempsy> anyone have an easy way to calculate an encoder count on an unknown encoder?
[06:09:23] <MacGalempsy> i went to encoder.5.counts, but when I tweek the number, the actual counts change per 1 rotation
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[07:04:56] <Deejay> moin
[07:05:29] <MacGalempsy> hi dj
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[08:07:10] <fenn> spin it 100 times by hand and divide counts by 100?
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[08:08:38] <fenn> you'll have to manually tweak the scale parameter anyway in an actual machine, so don't worry too much about the actual number
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[08:31:31] <MacGalempsy> YAY!
[08:31:35] <MacGalempsy> finally working!!!
[08:31:55] <MacGalempsy> homed and spinning. OMG!!!
[08:32:11] <Deejay> sounds good :)
[08:33:53] <MrSunshine> hmm i should order a breakoutboard with 0-10V out
[08:34:01] <MrSunshine> so spindle turns on and off automaticly ..
[08:34:45] <MacGalempsy> Well, im so happy, I could give EVERYONE A HUG
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[08:35:24] <MacGalempsy> well, i better go to bed before something breaks and I cry
[08:35:31] <MacGalempsy> have a good day everyone
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[08:35:47] <fenn> quite the emotional rollercoaster
[08:36:04] <fenn> last time we were cut out of his will
[08:37:51] <Deejay> hihi
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[09:25:03] <XXCoder> wheee
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[09:29:20] <jthornton> morning
[09:29:31] <XXCoder> whats up
[09:29:34] <jthornton> nice it's only 55F here
[09:30:06] <jthornton> heading to Wears Valley Tn on the GoldWing
[09:33:01] <XXCoder> cool
[09:33:14] <XXCoder> chilling now, tired from work lol
[09:34:22] <jthornton> it's 4:30am here lol
[09:34:42] <XXCoder> later than me then lol 2:34 am
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[09:39:49] <jthornton> it's warmer than I thought this morning, no long johns needed for the trip
[09:40:40] <XXCoder> long johns at 55f? quite a overkill lol
[09:41:32] <jthornton> yesterday they said low 40's
[09:42:15] <jthornton> so I had them out
[09:42:27] <XXCoder> lol ok
[09:42:35] <XXCoder> I dont wear em even at subzero
[09:42:54] <XXCoder> that is, if it ever happens here. it is quite rare
[09:43:30] <XXCoder> I have thick "extra cold" coat I hyave worn a total of around 10 times in 10 years
[09:43:42] <jthornton> I don't wear chaps on the bike so low 40's I wear long johns
[09:43:51] <jthornton> only had to do that a couple of times
[09:44:00] <XXCoder> ahh bicycling
[09:44:05] <XXCoder> makes more sense
[09:44:09] <jthornton> motorcycle
[09:44:13] <XXCoder> or that lol
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[09:45:40] <XXCoder> working on anything cnc-wise?
[09:46:48] <jthornton> the dxf to G code converter
[09:46:58] <XXCoder> ahh yea
[09:47:04] <XXCoder> wanted to ask if its 2d only or 3d
[09:47:22] <jthornton> it just 2d with dxf files
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[09:47:38] <XXCoder> still quite useful
[09:48:17] <jthornton> yea, I'm doing it for two things, brain exercise and plasma
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[09:50:30] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/images/GL1800/GL1800%2001.jpg
[09:51:00] <jthornton> that's what we are riding today
[09:51:10] <XXCoder> cool
[09:52:05] <jthornton> we haven't been able to do things like this for a long while
[09:57:31] <jthornton> I just quoted a CNC nailing machine to build special pallet tops lol
[09:58:00] <XXCoder> cnc nailing machine? interesting
[09:58:52] <jthornton> the nailing table moves in the Y axis and the nail guns move in X and Z
[10:00:12] <XXCoder> interesting
[10:00:14] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002YVD3KM?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
[10:00:25] <XXCoder> I plan to try see if it works as pendant lol
[10:00:33] <XXCoder> arrows for x, y
[10:00:44] <XXCoder> A, B for Z I guess
[10:01:24] <jthornton> cheap enough to try
[10:01:35] <XXCoder> maybe bit different, select for axis, A, B for one step in pos or neg
[10:02:09] <XXCoder> really its for nes emu fun
[10:02:15] <XXCoder> but same time curious lol
[10:03:31] <jthornton> I use this on my plasma
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[10:04:03] <jthornton> left stick is XY and right is Z 1,2,3 are speeds
[10:04:09] <XXCoder> nice nice
[10:04:25] <XXCoder> honestly I would buy cheap one from aliexpress
[10:04:30] <XXCoder> one with clicky wheel
[10:05:36] <C_P-Away> Sent letter to walmart co on new-egg order! ohhh boy you guys get ready!
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[10:06:37] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-60mm-Manul-Pulse-Generator-for-CNC-machine/584411423.html?spm=2114.01020208.6.7.YndqOL&s=p
[10:06:39] <XXCoder> interesting
[10:07:09] <jthornton> I use that on my CHNC and BP
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[10:07:24] <jthornton> with two selector switches for speed and axis
[10:07:51] <jthornton> that's a good price for MPG
[10:07:57] <XXCoder> ...
[10:08:10] <XXCoder> pulse generator manual generates lkots sexy underwear produces in results
[10:08:15] <XXCoder> gonna add -sexy
[10:09:07] <XXCoder> cheapest one of all
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5V-CNC-numerical-control-manual-pulse-generator-RGT600-001-100B-5L-hand-CNC-machine-tools-encoder/32452353366.html
[10:12:34] <XXCoder> got idea
[10:12:40] <jthornton> well time to get dressed and roll the wing out of the garage and get it packed up
[10:12:51] <XXCoder> nes controll select can be switch between constant and one step a time
[10:13:06] <XXCoder> and start for .01, .001, .0001 mode
[10:13:28] <jthornton> that should work
[10:21:15] <XXCoder> yeah
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[11:21:31] <jthornton> see you guys later
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[11:57:12] <ganzuul> w00t!
[11:57:27] <ganzuul> I got accepted to the metalworking program!
[11:57:49] <ganzuul> I start in February. :D
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[13:31:30] <ktchk> Hello any user of debian 3.2.4 rt linuxcnc??
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[13:41:38] <cradek> ktchk: what's your question?
[13:42:49] <ktchk> I am using a computer using ubuntu 10.04 the latency is ok, change to debian 3.2.4 rt the latency is 10 times. not too good.
[13:43:08] <ktchk> Is there any way to lower the latency??
[13:43:43] <cradek> do you mean the debian rt-preempt kernel?
[13:43:57] <cradek> you could try rtai instead
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[13:44:13] <ktchk> yes 3.2.4 kernel
[13:44:13] <cradek> some kernels work better on some hardware and it's pretty unpredictable
[13:44:39] <ktchk> the new 3.4.9 is more bad
[13:45:20] <cradek> you could boot the linuxcnc debian+rtai live cd and check latency on that
[13:45:52] <ktchk> yes I did that on the same hardware the best is 10.04
[13:46:05] <cradek> which is best doesn't matter; you only need good enough
[13:46:13] <cradek> are you using software stepgen?
[13:46:39] <ktchk> yes parellel port
[13:50:12] <cradek> then you probably want < 30000 or so
[13:50:54] <ktchk> way over 30000
[13:51:19] <cradek> did you change any hardware?
[13:51:33] <ktchk> no thesame
[13:52:28] <ktchk> I have 2 hard disk and installed all 3
[13:56:31] <cradek> what's the result of the linuxcnc rtai kernel on debian?
[13:57:51] <ktchk> I have to boot again and write it down and will come back af=gain....
[13:57:56] <ktchk> see you
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[14:05:17] <MacGalempsy> morning
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[14:21:37] <ktchk> smp prempt RT debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u5 max jitter 34019 micro sec but system will stop respond after some click of muse
[14:22:52] <ktchk> smp preempt debian 3.4.55=linuxcnc 12370883 micro sec other programs working fine
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[14:48:48] <Erant> ktchk: Did you try any boot-args?
[14:49:06] <ktchk> no
[14:49:24] <Erant> I had little trouble getting my shitty Dell system down to sub 30us.
[14:49:41] <ktchk> is it help?
[14:49:51] <Erant> So wait, you're having 12370883ns jitter?
[14:50:05] <ktchk> yes
[14:50:25] <Erant> That sounds like SMM is ruining the party, but I don't get why it wouldn't under Ubuntu.
[14:50:50] <Erant> Is this a single core, dual core, quad core?
[14:51:12] <ktchk> my 10.04 is 7452 ns
[14:51:28] <Erant> That's really good. Why don't you use that one?
[14:51:48] <ktchk> single core centrino
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[14:52:37] <ktchk> ubuntu is not supporting 10.04 any more, have to move some time.
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[14:53:14] <Erant> Have you tried the 2.7 release of LinuxCNC?
[14:53:31] <CaptHindsight> ktchk: use whatever works, there is no one size fits all real time kernel
[14:53:38] <ktchk> yes I am running 2.7 linuxcnc
[14:54:03] <Erant> Yeah, I'm not sure why you want to move off 10.04.
[14:54:19] <Erant> Is there a package you desperately need that isn't available on 10.04?
[14:54:33] <ktchk> can not have to run also heekscnc 0.18 at the same time
[14:57:02] <Erant> I'm not entirely sure, but have you tried updating to the latest Ubuntu and nabbing the RTAI kernel?
[14:57:32] <Erant> smp preempt debian 3.4.55=linuxcnc 12370883 micro sec other programs working fine
[14:57:37] <Erant> That's not an RT kernel
[14:57:44] <Erant> No wonder the jitter's so high.
[14:58:18] <ktchk> the kernal is from linuxcnc.org
[14:59:10] <cradek> I suspect he means this one: Linux emc 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.4.55-4linuxcnc i686 GNU/Linux
[14:59:21] <cradek> if so, yes it is an rtai kernel
[15:00:10] <ktchk> the kernel name is from uname -v
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[15:03:10] <ktchk> the micro sec is ns
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[15:05:31] <ktchk> which boot-args will help??
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[15:06:01] <Erant> ktchk: So, there's a couple you can try
[15:06:13] <ktchk> Please
[15:06:24] <Erant> ktchk: Seeing as you have a single core system, isolcpus=0
[15:06:39] <Erant> Then nohlt and idle=poll
[15:07:00] <Erant> idle=poll will make your system run pretty hot, but it's a decent test to see if it's the c-states causing problems.
[15:07:28] <ktchk> put them all in grub default?
[15:07:56] <Erant> Eh, just try them manually first.
[15:08:18] <ktchk> ok will come back later
[15:08:24] <ktchk> bye
[15:08:25] <Erant> Boot into grub, press e on the LinuxCNC line, go to the linux line
[15:08:33] <Erant> Press Ctrl+E and add them.
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[15:28:12] <enleth> Is there a significant rigidity difference between a hollow and a solid spindle?
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[15:36:08] <archivist> not really, mostly it is the diameter that defines it
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[15:36:48] <archivist> frame is usually the significant problem
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[15:39:44] <archivist> a dti placed in the right place can show how flexible a machine is, also a machinists level
[15:39:54] <ssi> morn
[15:40:09] <archivist> moan
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[15:47:27] <ktchk> isolcpus=0 nohlt idle=poll no help to debian 3.4.55 and 3.2.68
[15:47:39] <ktchk> Any more args??
[15:53:49] <CaptHindsight> ktchk: isolcpus was broken in that version of RTAI anyway, it might help or it might not and it's a crapshoot what setting might work, plus you have a single core cpu so it shouldn't even matter if it is used
[16:00:07] <ktchk> audio people have some args to lower latency
[16:02:05] <ssi> Wolf_: alive?
[16:02:34] <archivist> every application is fighting for their bit of your latency, not giving a f*** how it affects other apps
[16:02:36] <Wolf_> yo
[16:03:52] <ssi> https://octopart.com/bom-lookup/RMRKGPe0
[16:04:53] <Wolf_> nice
[16:05:55] <Wolf_> that RJ45 from TE?
[16:06:06] <ssi> ya
[16:06:27] <Wolf_> for the first ones, suggest TE sample request :D
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[16:06:34] <ssi> hah that's a good idea
[16:06:42] <ssi> I wonder if I can sample the igbt module and the arms too
[16:06:46] <ssi> that'd cut a PILE of cost out
[16:06:55] <Wolf_> maybe…
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[16:07:42] <Wolf_> I have a big ass box of stuff from TE, sample order that has just about all the VW connector pins in it
[16:13:22] <CaptHindsight> archivist: what made things worse is the video driver, X and kernel devs no longer caring about adhering to any rules to insure real time
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[16:13:57] <archivist> CaptHindsight, yup terrible design
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[16:14:10] <CaptHindsight> they started writing directly to hardware and as long as their app works F*** everyone else
[16:14:20] <archivist> wasting your tome with fading bling
[16:14:24] <archivist> time
[16:15:26] <CaptHindsight> memleak has kept his RTAI fork going up until 3.18 or 3.16 just for Linuxcnc
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[16:16:09] <CaptHindsight> but 4.x kernel have changed so much it's going to take a complete rewrite if it's even possible
[16:16:48] <archivist> at least the kernel devs have set someone on for the realtime problem recently
[16:17:30] <archivist> but dunno how long before anything gets fixed
[16:18:00] <CaptHindsight> you can unscrew a light bulb, not sure about the kernel
[16:18:28] <archivist> could we moan at them to resurrect 10 and backport security etc
[16:19:06] <archivist> I really hate the cut everyone off attitude to older versions
[16:19:32] <CaptHindsight> <-- puts back on tinfoil hat and returns Gentoo with custom kernels
[16:20:31] <archivist> moooooore madness
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[16:21:01] <CaptHindsight> maybe once the madness ends with android and useless mobile desktops there will be a return to sanity
[16:21:31] * Jymmm hits CaptHindsight on the head with a sledge hammer.... BONGGGG Did you forget about the steel plate in your head? No need for tin foil hat
[16:21:42] <CaptHindsight> or maybe they will add a registry to Linux
[16:22:33] <Jymmm> Are HDMI cable not all the same? HDMI to mini HDMI, some with ethernet (built in?) ?
[16:23:39] <Jymmm> Example:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Tripp-Lite-High-Speed-with-Ethernet-HDMI-to-Mini-HDMI-Cable-6-Universal/23316695
[16:23:57] <CaptHindsight> same connectors just some new pins are used
[16:24:27] <Jymmm> where does the "ehternet" come into play here?
[16:25:04] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_1.4
[16:25:17] <CaptHindsight> adds an HDMI Ethernet Channel (HEC),
[16:25:41] <CaptHindsight> + audio return channel (ARC)
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[16:26:39] <CaptHindsight> IIRC it's a one pin difference
[16:26:56] <CaptHindsight> the new spec uses a previously unused pin
[16:27:22] <Jymmm> Hmmm, still no clue where the data comes into play here. Are they just explaioting ehternet between the two connected devices, or does it actually get an ip address too?
[16:31:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/hec.aspx
[16:32:06] <Jymmm> thanks
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[16:33:07] <Jymmm> Just ordered one of these
http://www.walmart.com/ip/44656207
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[16:35:24] <Jymmm> benefit of a tablet, and more functional that a roku
[16:35:39] <Jymmm> xmas gift
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[17:07:36] <CaptHindsight> Walmart also has the $150 ARM Chromebooks that are are easily reloaded with Linux
[17:08:28] <Loetmichel> link?
[17:08:50] <CaptHindsight> think they use coreboot or some form of uboot
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[17:09:47] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Hisense-Chromebook-11.6-Quad-Core-Processor/44389793
[17:10:26] <CaptHindsight> the google chromebook wiki has all the rooting/unlocking info
[17:10:43] <CaptHindsight> also source to the bootloader and EC firmware
[17:11:30] <Loetmichel> nice one
[17:11:56] <CaptHindsight> https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/
[17:12:04] <CaptHindsight> EC firmware source ^^^
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[17:15:21] <CaptHindsight> https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-information-for-chrome-os-devices
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[17:20:24] <CaptHindsight> heh someone used Archlinux
http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/rockchip/hisense-chromebook-c11 I wonder how many minutes it was a stable release
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[17:27:25] <archivist> only in the USA
https://www.google.com/patents/US5551495 they think they can patent making stairs using PC-APT for the CAM
[17:31:50] <Jymmm> archivist: If they can patent a person's DNA, they can patent anything.
[17:32:24] <Jymmm> Gives new meaning to "Your ass is mine biotch!"
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[17:36:01] * Loetmichel s company had fun with siemens lately
[17:36:44] <Loetmichel> we do a certain shielded USB flashdrive drawer since 2006 for a french customer in the 100s
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[17:37:33] <Loetmichel> 2008 the german BSI said that they had a similar looking device in their measurement chamber but with a "siemens" print on it...
[17:38:25] <Loetmichel> last year we got a mail from siemens lawyers... "cease and desist to produce our 2008 patented drawer and pay royalities!"
[17:38:31] <ssi> resold? or copied
[17:40:01] <Loetmichel> boss lhao. our lawyer also qoute:"and when they dont shut up immediatly they'l get a nice royalities laqwsuit ont top of the patent negation case!";)
[17:40:09] <t12> put an adc on it and call it an antenna
[17:40:20] <Loetmichel> blatantly copied to the last bolt ;)
[17:40:25] <t12> lol
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[17:41:29] <Loetmichel> it seems thats what you get if your law dept dont knows where the design dept steals ;)
[17:42:39] <_methods> anyone in here ever get quotes on the cost of eltool cat40 right angle coolant driven spindle heads before?
[17:43:32] <ssi> "coolant driven"?
[17:43:50] <_methods> yeah it uses through spindle coolant to drive the tool
[17:43:58] <ssi> weird
[17:44:04] <_methods> http://www.eltool.com/products/angleheads.aspx
[17:44:15] <ssi> ohhh I see
[17:44:24] <ssi> it's like a pneumatic angle drill but coolant pressure driven
[17:44:28] <_methods> yeah
[17:44:33] <ssi> that's pretty awesome
[17:44:49] <_methods> yeah just found one in a tool cart and i was gonna put it on ebay
[17:44:50] <ssi> are they for drilling only, or can they mill?
[17:44:55] <ssi> doesnt' look like it'd mill well
[17:44:57] <Loetmichel> if your coolant pump is big enough ;)
[17:45:00] <_methods> i guess i'll just put it up there for like $5k
[17:45:02] <_methods> see what happens
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[17:46:44] <_methods> can't find a price for them anywhere
[17:46:54] <_methods> and all mechanical right angles on ebay
[17:47:15] <_methods> i think they run about $12k new
[17:47:30] <ssi> dang
[17:47:59] <_methods> the old invoice was with it and it was $24k for 2 of them
[17:48:02] <_methods> but i only found this one
[17:48:36] <_methods> went to quote some stuff and make some drawings at this place and they were like hey you want some cat 40 tooling
[17:48:53] <_methods> got 2 carts full of cat40 holder for $2500
[17:48:56] <_methods> and the carts
[17:49:09] <_methods> that eltool was in there lol
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[17:49:17] <ssi> that's awesome
[17:49:20] <_methods> yeah
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[17:49:36] <_methods> they're gettin rid of all their old cat40 and cat50 stuff
[17:49:41] <_methods> going to all heatshrink tooling
[17:49:53] <_methods> some of it's brand new too lol
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[17:53:57] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hb1g8purp0zhlte/2015-10-16%2013.50.44.jpg?dl=0
[17:54:10] <ssi> did I tell you I got a 2 post car lift?
[17:54:11] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cpm2vgrzijj2vm6/2015-10-16%2013.50.34.jpg?dl=0
[17:54:16] <_methods> ah nice
[17:54:17] <ssi> I have to figure out how to get it installed :P
[17:54:25] <_methods> screw it to the floor lol
[17:54:27] * Wolf_ suggests bolts
[17:54:45] <ssi> _methods: dang that's a lucky lucky find
[17:54:46] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jt68bj3j77aqyzc/2015-10-16%2013.50.54.jpg?dl=0
[17:54:50] <_methods> yeah man
[17:55:07] <_methods> they left all the tools in and everything lol
[17:55:20] <ssi> _methods: hey do yall have a rotary on one of your lasers?
[17:55:28] <_methods> nope
[17:55:30] <_methods> i wish
[17:55:35] <ssi> yeah I wish too :(
[17:55:39] <_methods> could do some cool stuff with that
[17:55:52] <ssi> this work that I need done, we need to profile a bunch of 2" 6061-T4 0.035 wall tube
[17:56:07] <_methods> round or sq?
[17:56:10] <ssi> round
[17:56:18] <_methods> you coping?
[17:56:21] <ssi> yea
[17:56:30] <_methods> cant do it on a regular mill?
[17:56:31] <ssi> hang on, gonna screenshot you a part
[17:56:34] <ssi> yeah probably can
[17:56:36] <_methods> i mean we have a 4th axis
[17:56:42] <_methods> i could mill it for you
[17:57:36] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRdP4uOXAAAvyxL.jpg:large
[17:57:47] <ssi> the flat flange is an example of one of the things I was gonna have you quote
[17:57:56] <ssi> they get counterbored on the backside for the weld
[17:58:01] <_methods> cool
[17:58:02] <ssi> some of them have o-ring grooves trepanned
[17:58:06] <_methods> yeah we can do that all day
[17:58:21] <ssi> the fittings on the other two tubes are adel/wiggins band-clamp fluid couplings
[17:58:22] <_methods> those are just regular copes we can do for you too
[17:58:25] <ssi> off the shelf parts
[17:58:43] <ssi> ok some of the parts have flat patterns that get rolled into cones for diameter transitions
[17:58:53] <_methods> are you rolling?
[17:58:57] <ssi> I dunno yet! :)
[17:58:59] <_methods> or you need us to roll
[17:59:00] <_methods> ok
[17:59:03] <ssi> I know all the welding is gonna be done by a guy here
[17:59:08] <ssi> it's all gotta be certified welding and xrayed
[17:59:15] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/f79voxyfa9z711u/2015-10-16%2013.51.37.jpg?dl=0
[17:59:22] <_methods> oh our welders suck ballz
[17:59:27] <_methods> so you might want to do it yourself
[17:59:32] <ssi> yea we have a guy
[17:59:46] <_methods> i wouldn't trust our welders with a plastic bag full of shit
[17:59:47] <ssi> the other thing that sucks about this job is it's like 35 different parts, with a part being like that complete manifold
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[17:59:56] <ssi> each "part" is actually an assembly of 3-6 parts
[18:00:05] <ssi> and the total qty of sets of assemblies is like 9
[18:00:09] <ssi> so lots of one-off :(
[18:00:25] <ssi> AND they want to pay to have ONE made, then do a run of 8
[18:00:27] <_methods> well that's waht we do so it's cool
[18:00:31] <_methods> we're a job shop
[18:00:37] <ssi> and they don't seem to understand that it's way cheaper to cut all the flanges in one run
[18:00:51] <ssi> cool... as soon as I get pdfs of the engineered drawings I'll get them to you
[18:00:58] <ssi> I have some printouts but they haven't sent me the digitals yet
[18:01:22] <_methods> what kind of tolerances?
[18:01:30] <ssi> tolerances are mostly reasonable
[18:01:32] <ssi> they're called out everywhere
[18:01:53] <ssi> these are proper engineered drawings, they've been certified by a faa designated engineering rep
[18:01:59] <_methods> ahh good
[18:02:03] <_methods> thank god no napkins lol
[18:02:05] <ssi> :)
[18:02:20] <ssi> the duplication quality isn't great on all of them though
[18:02:22] <ssi> tehy're circa 1988
[18:02:36] <_methods> ah cool so it's an older part
[18:02:46] <_methods> i like that
[18:03:22] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRdRO3_WEAAGoKT.jpg:large
[18:04:22] <_methods> yeah lookos good
[18:05:24] <_methods> easy peasy
[18:05:30] <ssi> cooool
[18:05:36] <ssi> as soon as I have the pdfs I'll start getting them to you
[18:05:43] <ssi> I'm trying to get them to give me a priority on which parts they want to start with also
[18:05:51] <_methods> sounds good we're kinda slow right now so i'll take it
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[18:49:57] <Erant> Has anyone used the National Instrument PCI cards with Comedi for step generation?
[18:50:10] <Erant> There's some passing references to it (old) on the Wiki, but nothing really new.
[18:53:21] <archivist> there was a user who used linuxcnc with comedi but dont think he used NI cards for the motor driving
[18:54:16] <archivist> or I dont remember that, was using comedi for the rest of his data capture I think
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[18:55:15] <Tom_itx> Jymmm,
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[19:01:47] <ktchk> I reload the debian 3.4.55 and linuxcnc 2.6.10, the latency goes down to <4000 ns
[19:02:11] <cradek> yay
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[19:27:57] <ganzuul> https://www.mazakeu.com/quick-turn-nexus-250-ii-msy/
[19:28:19] <ganzuul> my school has one of these
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[19:32:05] <_methods> those are nice lathes except the mazak part lol
[19:34:29] <ganzuul> gotta earn it to get to work on it... I'm gonna do it.
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[19:44:27] <aventtini6> hi guys
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[19:46:16] <ganzuul> harro
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[19:49:09] <aventtini6> guys still having problems on arcs
[19:49:34] <aventtini6> the machine is running real slow on cycles
[19:50:01] <aventtini6> end some another shapes
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[19:50:13] <aventtini6> why is this happening
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[19:50:37] <Wolf_> pic?
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[19:50:51] <Wolf_> more info needed
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[19:51:22] <aventtini6> for example when you make a rectagle with radius corners
[19:51:27] <aventtini6> mill is 6mm
[19:51:40] <aventtini6> radius is 10 mm
[19:51:50] <aventtini6> and it gos in steps
[19:52:04] <Wolf_> is the straight line distance correct?
[19:52:05] <cradek> share example gcode of a rectangle?
[19:52:08] <aventtini6> yes
[19:52:23] <aventtini6> i cant give gcode im home
[19:52:43] <Wolf_> can it do circles?
[19:52:43] <aventtini6> it slows on g0 g1 g2 and 3
[19:52:48] <aventtini6> yes
[19:53:12] <Wolf_> I would blame the cam soft then
[19:53:15] <cradek> this is really not enough information
[19:53:16] <aventtini6> but if i go fast its not a perfect circles
[19:53:45] <cradek> it's not clear what problem you're reporting OR what you're doing to see it
[19:53:47] <aventtini6> if i slow down the feed it make corect
[19:53:59] <aventtini6> o sec let me find a video
[19:54:08] <cradek> if I had to guess, you have incorrectly low acceleration settings
[19:54:22] <cradek> yes video would be great
[19:54:31] <Wolf_> could be loss of steps, stiction, gibs, acceleration, and about 10 other things
[19:55:52] <aventtini6> im uploding
[19:55:55] <aventtini6> 10 sec
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[19:56:44] <aventtini6> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8_hKA4cGGc
[19:57:03] <aventtini6> in straight line it gos 2000mm/m
[19:57:13] <aventtini6> this is a 16 mm endmill
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[19:58:27] <aventtini6> max speed is 80
[19:58:44] <aventtini6> and acceleration is 60 and tested to 150
[19:59:11] <aventtini6> linuxcnc is 6.10
[19:59:28] <Tom_itx> that version hasn't been written yet
[19:59:29] <cradek> acceleration setting is only 60mm/sec^2?
[19:59:43] <aventtini6> yes
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[20:00:02] <Tom_itx> 2.6.10?
[20:00:06] <aventtini6> yes
[20:00:09] <cradek> that will really limit any non-straight path
[20:00:29] <cradek> make sure your acceleration is as high as possible, and update to 2.7
[20:00:38] <aventtini6> the servo manual it was 5000mm/m
[20:00:39] <aventtini6> max
[20:00:59] <aventtini6> so in max velocity i have 5000mm
[20:01:12] <cradek> I don't understand mm/m
[20:01:20] <aventtini6> mm per minute
[20:01:29] <Tom_itx> he's merican
[20:01:39] <Tom_itx> thinks ipm
[20:01:43] <Tom_itx> not mpm
[20:01:47] <aventtini6> sorry did no know
[20:01:48] <cradek> Tom_itx: no, I think m = meter
[20:01:52] <Tom_itx> oh
[20:01:57] <Tom_itx> m=mile
[20:02:01] <cradek> oh stop
[20:02:05] <ssi> mm/m is dimensionless
[20:02:05] <Tom_itx> :)
[20:02:05] <aventtini6> :)))
[20:02:14] <aventtini6> machine is metric
[20:02:21] <aventtini6> to be clear
[20:02:32] <Wolf_> millimeters divided by meters?
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[20:02:46] <cradek> he meant max velocity 5000 mm/min
[20:02:49] <aventtini6> mm per minute
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[20:02:58] <Wolf_> I know ;P
[20:03:18] <cradek> equals 83 mm/sec
[20:03:43] <cradek> then the correct acceleration should probably be 1000+ mm/sec^2
[20:04:01] <aventtini6> for example i use 800mm/m on 1 machine and the second machine same files works slow
[20:04:10] <aventtini6> i have tryed to make any pid
[20:04:19] <aventtini6> and it dont want more the 1,3
[20:04:21] <Tom_itx> you might have to retune slightly if you update to 2.7 but it's worth it
[20:04:41] <aventtini6> update is no problem
[20:04:49] <cradek> wait am I correct you have 83 mm/sec velocity and 60 mm/sec^2 acceleration?
[20:04:59] <aventtini6> im using liniar scales
[20:05:07] <aventtini6> yes
[20:05:15] <aventtini6> i dont have the hal
[20:05:21] <aventtini6> and ini sorry
[20:05:24] <aventtini6> right now
[20:05:26] <cradek> do you realize it takes 1.4 seconds to get up to speed and another 1.4 seconds to stop again?
[20:05:35] <cradek> that is grossly misconfigured
[20:05:55] <aventtini6> i have tryed 80 to 250
[20:06:02] <cradek> you need to fix those settings and probably tune the pid
[20:06:17] <cradek> I'm guessing it should be 1000+ mm/sec^2 acceleration
[20:06:23] <aventtini6> i have tryed and p is max 1,3
[20:06:37] <cradek> I don't understand
[20:06:43] <cradek> tryed what
[20:06:45] <aventtini6> PID
[20:06:51] <aventtini6> P
[20:06:55] <aventtini6> is 1,3
[20:07:10] <cradek> what happens when P is more than 1.3?
[20:07:13] <aventtini6> if i put more the that is oscilate realy bad
[20:07:31] <cradek> then scaling is probably wrong, or I,D,FF settings are wrong
[20:07:41] <aventtini6> are all 0
[20:07:47] <cradek> yes that's wrong
[20:07:51] <aventtini6> same thing hapends
[20:08:09] <cradek> it could be your velocity loop oscillating too
[20:08:34] <cradek> if it's the position loop oscillating, some D will help it not oscillate
[20:08:55] <cradek> if velocity mode, most of your pid output should come from FF1 which should be 1.0 if your scaling is correct
[20:10:34] <aventtini6> let me psot the ini
[20:10:44] <XXCoder> bow
[20:10:57] <XXCoder> whats up all
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[20:13:15] <aventtini6> working
[20:13:16] <aventtini6> :))
[20:13:48] <XXCoder> cool. for a change I'm not doing overtime today
[20:13:58] <XXCoder> need to do stuff, plus bit tired of ot lol
[20:24:20] <aventtini6> http://pastebin.ca/3199909
[20:24:24] <aventtini6> done
[20:25:39] <cradek> FERROR = 10 MIN_FERROR = 5 MAX_VELOCITY = 85 MAX_ACCELERATION = 30
[20:25:46] <cradek> you need to tune and fix these
[20:26:08] <cradek> this is terribly misconfigured and untuned
[20:26:37] <cradek> it takes 2.8 seconds to get up to rapid and another 2.8 seconds to stop again
[20:26:55] <cradek> 5.6 seconds per move
[20:27:52] <aventtini6> so
[20:28:21] <aventtini6> i lower the f error lower it dont work
[20:28:28] <cradek> that's because it's untuned
[20:28:30] <aventtini6> it give flowing error
[20:28:34] <cradek> yes
[20:28:41] <cradek> you need to fix that
[20:29:37] <cradek> bbl
[20:29:41] <aventtini6> im running liniar scales with tacho
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[20:30:41] <aventtini6> and if i test with the calibration i cant get any better then now
[20:30:58] <aventtini6> if there is a mecahincal problem on the ballscrew
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[20:33:53] <aventtini6> for exampe FERROR must me lower then this ?
[20:33:58] <aventtini6> lower the 10 ?
[20:34:36] <cradek> FERROR should be maybe 20 encoder counts, whatever that is
[20:35:10] <cradek> MIN_FERROR maybe 10 encoder counts
[20:35:32] <cradek> proper tuning should be within about 5 counts at all speeds
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[20:36:24] <aventtini6> if its linair ?
[20:37:04] <cradek> if there is any looseness between motor and scale this setup can be hard to tune
[20:37:22] <cradek> check for backlash everywhere, ballnut, ballscrew mounts, pulleys/belts
[20:37:28] <cradek> gibs
[20:37:42] <aventtini6> that i was afraid
[20:37:45] <aventtini6> in fact
[20:38:55] <aventtini6> motor is on drive belt
[20:39:23] <aventtini6> and if the ballscrew has some 0,04mm backslash
[20:39:28] <aventtini6> then its a problem
[20:39:43] <aventtini6> i cant understand why the P is so small
[20:43:30] <cradek> backlash between motor and feedback will cause oscillation
[20:43:53] <cradek> feedback directly on the motor is easier to tune
[20:44:12] <aventtini6> yes i know
[20:44:29] <aventtini6> this is the first problem
[20:45:03] <aventtini6> let me show you some UK made milling machine with fiber optics on a win95
[20:46:08] <cradek> bbl
[20:46:31] <aventtini6> http://imgur.com/a/SLftB
[20:47:08] <aventtini6> how do you rettrofit this
[20:47:10] <aventtini6> :))))
[20:47:36] <aventtini6> its a bridgeport type milling machine with 3 axis servo
[20:47:53] <aventtini6> i was thinking 1 week and i convert it
[20:48:10] <aventtini6> but surprise surprise
[20:48:13] <aventtini6> :))
[20:48:20] <aventtini6> no linuxcnc
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[21:03:50] <MacGalempsy> do you guys recommend an optional stop button?
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[21:05:08] <XXCoder> not e-stop?
[21:05:32] <MacGalempsy> estop too
[21:05:39] <MacGalempsy> this is for a m98
[21:05:43] <XXCoder> if not emergacy then dunno you do have time to just work pc itself
[21:05:55] <XXCoder> isnt optional stop m01
[21:05:57] <MacGalempsy> not it is for trial maching
[21:06:10] <MacGalempsy> well optional stop m01 is only at the end of the program
[21:06:29] <XXCoder> lol ok
[21:06:32] <MacGalempsy> but if you use a / with fanuc controls the optional stop button will skip the code
[21:07:09] <MacGalempsy> so say you set 4 trys to trial machine and you get it after one, you can hit the optional stop button to skip the other thee tries
[21:07:27] <XXCoder> interesting, never used m98
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[21:08:46] <MacGalempsy> doesnt look like linuxcnc has m98
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[21:28:10] <Tom_itx> it's got subroutine calls instead
[21:29:07] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy, i think pause/continue would server the same purpose as op stop
[21:30:24] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: they seem similar, but with the op stop switch it will automatically skip instead of pause
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[21:31:10] <Tom_itx> i thought you meant to continue after a programmed op stop
[21:31:43] <Deejay> gn8
[21:31:46] <Tom_itx> i guess if your style of programming requires one i'd add one
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[21:32:06] <Tom_itx> switch instead of button..
[21:32:19] <MacGalempsy> the instructor last night was mentioning it was pretty handy for trial machinging
[21:32:32] <Tom_itx> meh.. i suppose
[21:32:34] <MacGalempsy> but surely there are ways around
[21:32:46] <Tom_itx> axis has it on the screen
[21:32:49] <MacGalempsy> mostly for boring bars i guess
[21:33:06] <Tom_itx> go to exciting bars instead
[21:33:17] <MacGalempsy> good plan
[21:33:42] <Tom_itx> Jymmm,
[21:44:47] <MacGalempsy> timmmeh
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[22:15:16] <zeeshan|2> tgif :D
[22:20:27] <SpeedEvil> tjpeg
[22:21:14] <Wolf_> tpng
[22:21:46] <zeeshan|2> nurds
[22:22:09] <XXCoder> PNG
[22:22:19] <XXCoder> png is king of all
[22:22:26] <Wolf_> tiff
[22:22:36] <XXCoder> raw bitmap
[22:22:50] <Wolf_> i was going to say raw next lol
[22:24:05] <XXCoder> :)
[22:26:49] <renesis> 22:22 < XXCoder> png is king of all
[22:26:53] <renesis> truth.
[22:27:17] <XXCoder> yeah lossless compression rocks
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[22:36:01] <Wolf_> so, whats everyones opinion on audible edge finders?
http://amzn.com/B0006J3DOA I’ve never used one…
[22:36:27] <Tom_itx> they're noisy
[22:36:38] <Tom_itx> and take batteries
[22:37:01] <Wolf_> not electronic, spinning style
[22:37:45] <Wolf_> I have a SPI led edge finder, I’m not so impressed with it
[22:37:51] <Tom_itx> i have one of those but it's noiseless
[22:38:03] <Tom_itx> works just fine
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[22:39:16] <Tom_itx> if you're gonna get fancy, get a renishaw probe and find your edge automatically
[22:39:25] <Wolf_> yeah, I have a double ended mitutoyo one, but it doesn’t seem to jump off the center very much
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[22:39:54] <Wolf_> s much/easy
[22:40:58] <Wolf_> working on the renishaw approach too, just trying to not spend $1000 to find a edge lol
[22:41:19] <XXCoder> just ran 1993 scoast.scr screensaver on my pc
[22:41:23] <XXCoder> works great lol
[22:41:32] <XXCoder> too bad I couldnt ever find registered version
[22:41:48] <XXCoder> linux rocks as I woulnt be able to run it on windows.
[22:42:31] <XXCoder> http://cd.textfiles.com/desktopworks/SCRNSAVE/SCR_FILE/SCOAST.TXT
[22:42:38] <XXCoder> maybe you guys will have better luck.
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[22:44:13] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGuV86Su430&feature=youtu.be
[22:44:18] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, make one ^^
[22:45:08] <Wolf_> conductive?
[22:45:32] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/emc/probe_index.php
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[22:46:17] <Tom_itx> jt TN!!
[22:46:25] <JT-Tn> Hi from East Tn
[22:46:27] <Tom_itx> how's the ride?
[22:46:45] <JT-Tn> 7 hrs at 80+
[22:47:03] <JT-Tn> I was so glad to get off of 40
[22:47:05] <Tom_itx> go to W texas and you'd get passed
[22:47:17] <JT-Tn> Lol
[22:47:43] <Tom_itx> been down 40 a few times..
[22:49:00] <JT-Tn> At least the road up to the cabin is paved
[22:49:14] <Wolf_> hmm neat, no spring on the probe/center thing?
[22:49:49] <Tom_itx> yes
[22:50:28] <JT-Tn> Heading back to the cabin now. Bellies full.
[22:50:45] <Tom_itx> yeah, every trip i've made down 40 was 19-20 hrs.. don't care for those much
[22:51:16] <Tom_itx> have fun
[22:52:02] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, yeah i guess i didn't put a pic up showing the spring
[22:52:39] <Tom_itx> http://fadedbits.com/2011/02/touchprobe/
[22:52:58] <Wolf_> I’ve been trying to catch a renishaw setup but no luck on eBay yet, missed one setup for $150
[22:54:03] <Tom_itx> bbl
[22:55:56] <andypugh> Well, I expected to spend this evening routing out more pattern parts, but then I found I couldn’t fit the blank under the spindle, so I had to make a specially short long tool holder.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2gXzbJaTCpJDrK9-t8NXjtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[22:57:26] <andypugh> Wolf_: My experience is that “Renshaw” probes are a lot cheaper than “Renishaw” ones on eBay.
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[22:58:57] <andypugh> Though today, that is not the case.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-RENSHAW-RE3-PROBE-WITH-HPRA-ARM-AND-BASE-WOODEN-CASE-INCLUDED-N7-/252078232170?hash=item3ab108926a:g:x54AAOSwyQtV50WH
[22:58:58] <Wolf_> well, I have been eyeing a MP9 renishaw listed at for parts/not working, I might get it as a parts donor
[22:59:17] <andypugh> There are very few ways for one to break.
[22:59:48] <Wolf_> well, mp9 is optical linked head
[23:00:19] <andypugh> I have an MP3. I just took off the inductive stuff and fitted a physical wire connection.
[23:00:36] <andypugh> (Partly because I needed it to be a lot shorter)
[23:00:40] <Wolf_> yeah, that was pretty much the same idea I had
[23:01:15] <Wolf_> or just take the probe end off the TX and mount it on something else
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[23:02:22] <andypugh> I did get a bit elaborate, I made a DIY “Magsafe” connector in case I turned on the spindle with it plugged in.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/8hEPrpkf9lYayE3O0-evI9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[23:02:48] <Wolf_> nice
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[23:03:19] <andypugh> If you scroll forwards and back, you will see that I did take off the transmitter
[23:07:28] <Wolf_> you sure about that? :P
[23:09:41] <XXCoder> magnet connector eh
[23:12:00] <Wolf_> oh, wait yeah pic of just the probe half
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[23:19:44] <Wolf_> I have been looking for info on the Renishaw Mi4 box but haven’t been able to find anything
[23:23:43] <andypugh> Unless your probe is going to live in your toolchanger none of the fancy interfaces are relevant.
[23:24:28] <Wolf_> well, if I can keep it wireless for under $150 total its would be neat to do
[23:24:54] <Wolf_> but I can’t find any docs for the Mi4 box
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