#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-12

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[00:25:31] <t12> hum no its not fully painted
[00:25:35] <t12> a little under the front
[00:25:38] <t12> not sure what to think of that
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[00:27:13] <XXCoder> toguepaint
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[00:27:45] <SpeedEvil> painted with the headstock in place, wicked?
[00:27:52] <t12> yeah maybe
[00:28:04] <XXCoder> wet hair with paint and rock on
[00:28:14] <t12> i gotta get something set up to really lift the headstock up and inspect the headstock surface
[00:29:58] <SpeedEvil> t12: large machine?
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[00:50:42] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, got a favorite wearable flashlight?
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[00:56:26] <t12> nah
[00:56:40] <t12> bottom of headstock looks like someone ground it in with an angle grinder
[00:57:18] * SpeedEvil finds single AA headlights fine.
[00:58:04] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dx.com/p/high-power-ultra-bright-cree-q3-3-mode-110-lumen-led-headlamp-with-camouflage-pouch-1-aa-1-14500-52684 stylee
[00:58:33] <SpeedEvil> (not this particular one)
[00:58:46] <Tom_itx> battery life?
[00:59:04] <SpeedEvil> From memory, about 5 hours on low, 1 on high
[00:59:13] <SpeedEvil> eneloop
[00:59:32] <SpeedEvil> I keep meaning to make my own, but suffer from feature-creep.
[00:59:39] <SpeedEvil> 'wouldn't eye-tracking be nice'
[00:59:47] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[01:01:06] <Tom_itx> http://www.atwoods.com/flash-lights/dorcy-international-headlight-aa.htm
[01:02:15] <SpeedEvil> I find 3AAA ones really annoying, as you now have to find and manage three cells
[01:03:15] <Tom_itx> indicated 13hr run time
[01:03:18] <Tom_itx> was what i saw
[01:04:10] <Tom_itx> but fumbling around for batteries can be a hassle
[01:04:36] <Tom_itx> maybe a usb rechargeable one..
[01:04:53] <SpeedEvil> http://www.fenixlight.com/ProductSeries.aspx?cid=2&tid=27
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[01:10:59] <PetefromTn_> jeez man anyone know why my onkyo home theater system can access my pc and show music files etc but when i click to play it says you do not have permission to access this server?
[01:11:23] <PetefromTn_> REALLY ANNOYING
[01:12:03] <SpeedEvil> RIAA
[01:12:41] <PetefromTn_> whats RIAA
[01:13:40] <XXCoder> the masters of music
[01:14:04] <t12> sigh china
[01:14:08] <PetefromTn_> well the damn thing can access my wife's laptop and play music in there okay but it wont do mine
[01:14:41] <PetefromTn_> like I said it SEES all the music files etc
[01:15:01] <PetefromTn_> but when you try to play it says do not have permission to access this server
[01:15:09] <t12> lol yeah they just didnt even finish the headstock mating V ways
[01:15:13] <PetefromTn_> Im thinking it is a setting in my PC
[01:17:46] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/turr1pxfwkfim0j/AADZnhkYUPE_XUf1hChiwwwqa?dl=0
[01:18:24] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: Sounds like you don't have read permissions for that user
[01:18:46] <malcom2073> Seeing and accessing files are two different permissions
[01:18:48] <PetefromTn_> how do I fix that?
[01:19:20] <PetefromTn_> like I said it works from my wife's PC listening to smashing pumpkins right now thru hers
[01:19:30] <malcom2073> Are you on a homegroup/domain?
[01:19:34] <PetefromTn_> my PC has TONS of music on it
[01:19:35] <malcom2073> Windows/Linux/what?
[01:19:42] <PetefromTn_> windows 8
[01:19:52] <PetefromTn_> no homegroup I think
[01:20:01] <PetefromTn_> just LAN
[01:20:30] <XXCoder> cant figure head or tails out of this http://motion.schneider-electric.com/downloads/quickreference/NEMA23.pdf
[01:20:35] <malcom2073> Do you have a password to log into your PC (the one that shares the files)
[01:20:42] <PetefromTn_> I can see the Onkyo in my network and sharing center
[01:21:18] <malcom2073> And do you have guest access enabled to the share?
[01:21:54] <PetefromTn_> not sure
[01:21:57] <PetefromTn_> where is that?
[01:22:13] <malcom2073> In windows 8, unsure, google for that one. I know in windows 7 it's in the folder properties for the folder that is shared
[01:22:40] <malcom2073> If you have no password, you have to enable guest access to access the files. If you have a password, you can use that to access the shares without enabling guest access
[01:23:37] <malcom2073> Windows -> Windows sharing works differently than Linux (Home theatre system) -> Windows, especially with homegroups
[01:23:46] <PetefromTn_> ok
[01:24:09] <PetefromTn_> that might be it because my wife has a password on hers she set it up before I could tell here NOT to LOL
[01:24:25] <PetefromTn_> I hate freaking passwords on pcs
[01:24:33] <malcom2073> No password == no sharing
[01:24:36] <malcom2073> it's a security thing
[01:25:22] <PetefromTn_> should I create a homegroup instead?
[01:25:54] <malcom2073> won't help the home theatre thing
[01:26:01] <PetefromTn_> sheet
[01:26:05] <malcom2073> Better off enabling guest access to shares
[01:26:09] <malcom2073> which fwiw, is totally insecure :P
[01:26:22] <PetefromTn_> oh nice
[01:26:35] <malcom2073> Eh, you don't have a password on your PC so you don't care about security anyway hehe
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[01:27:20] <XXCoder> malcom2073: i usually do but thats because kids live in same house
[01:27:41] <PetefromTn_> I don't care because nobody else messes with my PC
[01:27:44] <XXCoder> even if I live alone I'd still use password
[01:27:50] <malcom2073> I do because I have wifi
[01:27:58] <PetefromTn_> so do I
[01:28:07] <XXCoder> malcom2073: whats that got to do with pc password
[01:28:31] <malcom2073> XXCoder: It's another layer of security to slow down anyone who wants in, and wifi is easy remote access
[01:29:13] <XXCoder> my wifi security is pretty heavy
[01:30:20] <PetefromTn_> okay enabled guest account
[01:30:29] <malcom2073> Not guest account, guest access to shares
[01:30:31] <PetefromTn_> still won't let me play my damn songs LOL
[01:31:25] * Tom_itx hacks PetefromTn_'s pc
[01:32:43] <PetefromTn_> in create password it says if you do this you will lose all EFS encrypted files, personal certificates, and stored passwords for websites etc....WTF>
[01:32:56] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx come on in man the water's fine ;)
[01:33:02] <XXCoder> excryption is dermined by password
[01:33:07] <XXCoder> it generates key based on that
[01:33:34] <XXCoder> key is still generated on blank password too
[01:33:46] <Tom_itx> windows doesn't want you to be able to use your pc. they want it for storing updates
[01:34:03] <XXCoder> I dont use windows anymore
[01:34:13] <Tom_itx> i use both
[01:34:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah yeah I don't need to hear about how windows sucks I need to figure out how to play my damn music LOL
[01:34:37] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: linux on pc was supposed to be temp while I wait for windows 10
[01:34:40] <XXCoder> now? fuk it
[01:34:50] <Tom_itx> dos6.22, nt4, vista, 7, 8, debian, ubuntu, wheezy....
[01:35:12] <Tom_itx> you probably don't want 10 anyway
[01:35:38] <XXCoder> windows 3.11 for workgroups, 95, 98, 98 se, me (gasp!), xp, vista (gasp!), 7
[01:35:46] <XXCoder> and now xfce mint
[01:35:49] <Tom_itx> oh yeah, i forgot xp
[01:35:55] <malcom2073> I gave up on linux, I was tired of tinkering
[01:36:18] <XXCoder> malcom2073: I gave up on windows due to locked out unsigned drivers
[01:36:25] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: I wouldn't create a password, I'd just enable guest share access
[01:36:26] <XXCoder> windows used to allow that, if with warnings
[01:36:32] <XXCoder> now noooope
[01:36:40] <malcom2073> I've not run into that, but I'm still using 7, so I can use unsigned drivers
[01:36:40] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073 I agree just don't know how
[01:36:43] <malcom2073> I hear 8 can't
[01:36:53] <XXCoder> malcom2073: vista is first that doesnyt
[01:37:00] <PetefromTn_> my wifes laptop is windows 7
[01:37:06] <PetefromTn_> and it works
[01:37:12] <Tom_itx> i stuck with 7 on these new pcs
[01:37:18] <Tom_itx> not ready for 8
[01:37:22] <malcom2073> Hmm, then maybe try a password? That may help heh
[01:37:24] <Tom_itx> 8 is on some surfaces
[01:37:27] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: dont bother with 8 8.1
[01:37:30] <malcom2073> I enjoy 8 on my tablet
[01:37:37] <XXCoder> just go stright to 10, its faster AND better than any 8
[01:37:40] <Tom_itx> 8.1 that is
[01:37:49] <PetefromTn_> I LIKE 8 on my laptop here
[01:37:55] <XXCoder> spyware will be backported to 7 and up so you cant avoid it
[01:38:00] <PetefromTn_> just need to get it to talk to my damn home stereo LOL
[01:38:01] <Tom_itx> i'm running catia on the surface
[01:38:03] <Tom_itx> seems ok
[01:38:22] <Tom_itx> seems you are talking to it already :)
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[01:42:09] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[01:43:47] <Tom_itx> not your pc, you..
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[01:45:19] <PetefromTn_> maddening bullshit..
[01:48:13] <Tom_itx> i struggled with the same thing connecting mine after installing 7
[01:48:43] <Tom_itx> can't remember how i resolved it
[01:48:50] <Tom_itx> or for that matter if i did
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[01:56:13] <XXCoder> laughed so hard
[01:56:43] <XXCoder> one person belived picture that smoking hemp "eighth" will cause overdose
[01:56:52] <XXCoder> so damn many mistakes
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[01:57:03] <XXCoder> I know facts even when I dont smoke em
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[02:06:43] <humble_sea_bass> dont smoke 8's unless you wnat to be 6 under
[02:07:03] <XXCoder> lol
[02:09:45] <jdh> xxcoder: it must be true, it's on the internet. http://i.imgur.com/WqOEoMU.jpg
[02:10:02] <XXCoder> jdh: that was picture I saw that made me comment
[02:10:19] <jdh> I sent it to my kids as a warning.
[02:10:21] <XXCoder> hemp is not what people smoke
[02:10:25] <humble_sea_bass> i'm choking here
[02:10:30] <XXCoder> you cant get high off hemp
[02:10:31] <humble_sea_bass> never seen a bag so smal
[02:10:42] <humble_sea_bass> if you chew it is makes you loko
[02:10:59] <XXCoder> you will die by smoke intalion before you get even remotely high off hemp.
[02:11:19] <humble_sea_bass> save it for obama, buddy
[02:11:33] <humble_sea_bass> think of the children
[02:11:37] <XXCoder> jdh: even if it was proper marajina, you still need to toke 20,000 pot+ to die
[02:11:52] <malcom2073> pot is a term of measurement now?
[02:11:56] <XXCoder> at short time
[02:12:00] <malcom2073> How much you got? About 10 pot
[02:12:10] <malcom2073> :P
[02:12:10] <jdh> I don't believe you. You are just one of those drug pushers out to kill our youth.
[02:12:23] <XXCoder> malcom2073: I dont do drugs, I just know facts
[02:12:34] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Uh huh... these "facts" eh?
[02:12:37] <XXCoder> jdh: I dont do or sell drugs
[02:12:51] <XXCoder> malcom2073: almost correct, remove " "
[02:14:09] <malcom2073> Seriously though, how much is one pot? Is that larger or smaller than a bowl?
[02:14:54] <XXCoder> malcom2073: dunno exact weight but basically one cig length wound up paper with marginina in it (cant spell that danged word)
[02:15:06] <XXCoder> which is more than what that bag shows lol
[02:15:35] <malcom2073> I'd never heard a joint called a pot before
[02:15:56] <XXCoder> Im kinda tired of people confusing hemp and marijuana.
[02:16:08] <XXCoder> hemp is same plant type but contains almost no THC
[02:16:20] <XXCoder> you probably can get high faster off oak leaves lol
[02:16:35] <malcom2073> I wasn't aware we were talking about hemp
[02:16:38] <jdh> the pic actually said 'weed' not hemp.
[02:16:48] <malcom2073> I don't know anyone who does anything with hemp, so I know nothing of it heh
[02:16:49] <XXCoder> I want hemp to grow everywhere because of its huge value as fibers and paper making
[02:16:52] <XXCoder> jdh: read again
[02:16:56] <jdh> ok.
[02:17:02] <jdh> it still says 'weed', but whatever.
[02:17:06] <XXCoder> jdh: read again
[02:17:08] <malcom2073> jdh: Read further
[02:17:28] <jdh> oh. you got that far before moving on?
[02:17:31] * Praesmeodymium can wander down to the weed store were the hot little girls behind the counnter make sure to use the words, my boyfriend or my man every 5 minutes
[02:17:57] <jdh> gotta keep the creepers incheck
[02:17:59] <malcom2073> I don't blame them, I imagine they get hit on all the time at the job by stoners
[02:18:28] <XXCoder> jdh: honestly alchol is much worse than marijuana
[02:18:36] <XXCoder> (gonna love copy and paste)
[02:18:48] <jdh> I don't do either.
[02:18:56] <jdh> my vice is lame internette trolling.
[02:18:59] <XXCoder> you can die by drinking too much achcol. marijuana well you cant smoke till you die
[02:19:31] <XXCoder> jdh: lol me too sometimes
[02:19:43] <XXCoder> I cant do any mind alterant drugs.
[02:19:52] <malcom2073> Life is my drug of choice
[02:20:15] <Wolf_> oops http://i.imgur.com/GgJEngr.png?1
[02:20:17] <Praesmeodymium> for me its 3 way tie between sugar cafieene and thc
[02:20:28] <Praesmeodymium> I'm not trying to live long
[02:20:32] <Praesmeodymium> just well
[02:21:31] <malcom2073> Wolf_: Whups heh
[02:21:37] <malcom2073> Measurement error? :P
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[02:21:51] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: headlight you mean?
[02:21:53] <XXCoder> cant see it
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[02:22:09] <Wolf_> not sure how I messed that up lol
[02:22:53] <XXCoder> Wolf_: mind pointint it out lol
[02:23:10] <Wolf_> huh?
[02:23:19] <XXCoder> error in design if any?
[02:23:40] <Wolf_> see the big gap between teh stepper and the mount
[02:23:59] <XXCoder> yeah saw that I guess something does not fit or somethng
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[02:25:41] <MacGalempsy> hello
[02:25:45] <malcom2073> Hi
[02:26:03] <MacGalempsy> whats going on malcom2073?
[02:26:25] <malcom2073> Got my mill moving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkuNPsG62DQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8J6UnlujOc
[02:26:51] <MacGalempsy> muy excellente
[02:27:17] <MacGalempsy> running off just the vfd or through lcnc?
[02:27:34] <malcom2073> Spindle is just off the VFD, but the steppers are running through lcnc
[02:27:42] <malcom2073> Spindle is just on/off
[02:27:43] <MacGalempsy> we are at the same point
[02:28:02] <malcom2073> Eh you're closer, I only have 2 out of 3 axis' running, the third needs an adapter plate still
[02:28:10] <MacGalempsy> i tried to get the rotary axis spinning but it is acting like the spindl.e
[02:28:24] <MacGalempsy> you got enough going to machine the last plate
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[02:28:34] <malcom2073> I'm gonna make it on my dads machine, easier heh
[02:28:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: If you have/use 14500 batteries, then this: https://www.fenixlighting.com/product/hl35-fenix-headlamp/ , or
[02:29:33] <MacGalempsy> yesterday I got stung on the back of the next by a red wasp
[02:29:39] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: One AA battery https://www.fenixlighting.com/product/hl50-fenix-headlamp/
[02:29:42] <MacGalempsy> it hurts like the dickins!
[02:29:58] <malcom2073> Oh ouch, that's no good
[02:30:26] <MacGalempsy> yeah, after a day of jack hammering concrete, I was already sore
[02:30:41] <MacGalempsy> went to bed last night around 10pm and wokeup today at 6pm
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[02:31:22] <malcom2073> Heh
[02:31:30] <MacGalempsy> cannot get the a-axis to spin, any thoughts on what is wrong?
[02:31:46] <MacGalempsy> it spins in PNCCONF, but not when running
[02:32:08] <malcom2073> That's odd
[02:32:20] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I LOVE my Fenix HL21, discontinued, but you might be able to find them still
[02:32:28] <MacGalempsy> same way with the spindle, so I'm wondering if the same problem haunts both
[02:32:34] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: HL21 http://fenixlight.com/ProductMore.aspx?id=34&tid=13&cid=2
[02:33:34] <Tom_itx> like to find something locally
[02:33:58] <Tom_itx> and without breaking the bank on a 'flashlight'
[02:34:39] <Jymmm> IT's not a 'flahlisght' or you would have already bought one from the 99¢ store =)
[02:35:00] <Tom_itx> no, i've got a dozen flashlights already
[02:35:17] <MacGalempsy> what is so special about that light?
[02:35:27] <MacGalempsy> why not get a Black Diamond?
[02:35:27] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: The HL21?
[02:35:28] <Tom_itx> just looking for something hands free for occasional use
[02:35:35] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: FUCK BD
[02:35:48] <MacGalempsy> i got 2 and they are great for caving
[02:36:00] <Jymmm> BD are not waterproof, take a handfull of batteries
[02:36:15] <MacGalempsy> the older one took 3 the newer one takes 1
[02:36:19] <Jymmm> and I never use AAA, ever
[02:36:40] <Tom_itx> yeah they don't last very long
[02:36:46] <MacGalempsy> the HL21 looks like a cheap chinese headlight you can get at Harbor Freight for $1
[02:36:48] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: I seriously doubt that, or suck life
[02:36:59] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: IF you say so
[02:37:11] <Tom_itx> machined aluminum?
[02:37:33] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Too heavy, threaded brass on glass nylon
[02:38:00] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: You really want a log of aluminum on your forehead?
[02:39:15] <Tom_itx> don't really want anything on my forehead but..
[02:39:39] <MacGalempsy> how about if you drop it down to your neck? lol
[02:40:34] <MacGalempsy> http://www.harborfreight.com/five-led-magnetic-head-lamp-93549.html
[02:42:22] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: fwiw, I shopped for 2 years before buying the HL21's
[02:42:46] <Tom_itx> why do you think i asked you specifically ?
[02:42:50] <Tom_itx> :)
[02:43:00] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: bought and returned a couple black diamonds too.
[02:43:25] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: =)
[02:43:33] <Tom_itx> now wtf is the name of that store here...
[02:43:38] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: REI
[02:43:40] <Tom_itx> never shop there
[02:43:51] <Jymmm> http://rei.com/
[02:45:06] <XXCoder> freecad is odd
[02:45:13] <XXCoder> older version I could edit stuff
[02:45:25] <XXCoder> but .16 I cant change extrusion length once set
[02:47:18] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Maybe... http://www.amazon.com/Fenix-HL23-Headlamp-Champagne-EdisonBright/dp/B00UHZXAYG/ref=sr_1_1?srs=11854223011&ie=UTF8&qid=1444618002&sr=8-1&keywords=HL23
[02:48:29] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I don't use my headlight as my main light
[02:49:09] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I still carry a bright ass handheld for that, but if you want a badass headlamp and dont mind the pricetag, I gt one for ya...
[02:50:06] <Tom_itx> i got pp bal maybe i'll get that one
[02:50:59] <Tom_itx> err does amazon use pp.. i forget
[02:51:54] <MacGalempsy> i dont think they do, but if you have a pp visa/debit then you can use it
[02:52:03] <Tom_itx> nope
[02:53:33] <Tom_itx> i'm all the time holding a flashlight in my mouth while trying to fix something...
[02:55:24] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: what about those cheapy visor clip lights?
[02:56:13] <Tom_itx> well i was looking at a cheap one for $5 but it uses aaa cells
[02:57:11] <OhmEye> noob question... I have stepping set such that axis tests move the correct distance. However, programs move half the correct distance such that the patterns are half size relative to dimensions displayed on the plot. Where should I be looking to fix this?
[02:57:14] <MacGalempsy> $5 + $5 for batteries is still cheap
[02:57:51] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: That's what was nice about the HL21, it had a difuser in it, so it was a beam when walking, then flood wehn cooking or working in front of you
[02:58:06] <Wolf_> OhmEye: step ratio or gearing
[02:58:15] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: IP68, so could work in the rain too
[02:58:27] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: up to 3 feet deep =)
[02:58:29] <Tom_itx> i'm not gonna fix crap in the rain sir
[02:58:37] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: wuss
[02:58:38] <Tom_itx> i'll wait for a clear day
[02:58:54] <Tom_itx> mostly for under the hood etc
[02:58:54] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Say that when you have to plugin a gen etc =)
[02:59:06] <Tom_itx> i can do that in the dark
[02:59:08] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: the HL23 doesn't look bad then
[02:59:16] <Tom_itx> yeah i'm considering it
[02:59:24] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/Fenix-HL23-Headlamp-XP-G2-FENIX-HL23-XP-G2-GREY/dp/B00SAD8D7Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1444618053&sr=8-2&keywords=HL23#customerReviews
[02:59:27] <Tom_itx> gander mtn doesn't sell fenix
[02:59:54] <Jymmm> $34.95 free shipping
[03:00:06] <Tom_itx> no pp though
[03:00:20] <Jymmm> cc ?
[03:00:29] <Tom_itx> don't wanna use that
[03:00:35] <Wolf_> sec
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[03:01:48] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: accepts PP http://www.fenix-store.com/fenix-hl23-led-headlamp-cadet-grey/
[03:02:17] <Tom_itx> just went there already
[03:02:33] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: save $10 if you signup for their newsletter and free shipping inthe US
[03:02:50] <Tom_itx> not sure i wanna be pestered by them all the time
[03:03:31] <Wolf_> fenix stuff is good, I have had a few of their lights for years now
[03:03:36] <Tom_itx> 1st order over $50
[03:03:38] <Jymmm> then goto the dollar store and be done with it
[03:03:46] <Tom_itx> no joy
[03:04:09] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: there ya go, no being bugged by them then
[03:05:52] <Tom_itx> wonder what their 'free shipping' option is
[03:06:34] <Jymmm> FREE U.S. Shipping
[03:06:34] <Jymmm> $13 International Shipping
[03:06:51] <Tom_itx> usps standard?
[03:06:58] <Tom_itx> usps priority is 5
[03:07:45] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: for you, the slowest possible.
[03:09:56] <Tom_itx> if you're wrong about this i will hunt you down...
[03:11:18] <Tom_itx> i think it will be fine for what i need
[03:11:20] <Tom_itx> thanks..
[03:11:56] <Tom_itx> 3 different intensity settings?
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[03:12:28] <XXCoder> just made a basic 10 cm cup lol
[03:16:05] <MacGalempsy> shot glass?
[03:16:45] <XXCoder> 10 cm shotglass?
[03:16:45] <Tom_itx> not much of a shot
[03:20:53] <XXCoder> figuring how to add designs to it lol
[03:21:02] <XXCoder> seems cant sketch around curved surface
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[03:31:18] <PetefromTn_> hey folks
[03:31:35] <PetefromTn_> up late tonight anodizing some parts
[03:31:49] <PetefromTn_> first run with the new pneumatic bubbler assembly
[03:32:01] <PetefromTn_> hoping it goes well :D
[03:32:13] <Wolf_> I need to learn that stuff
[03:32:14] <XXCoder> nice
[03:32:29] <MacGalempsy> pics of final anodizing?
[03:32:43] <MacGalempsy> anyone running a rotary axis?
[03:32:56] <PetefromTn_> I have posted pics here several times now
[03:33:12] <PetefromTn_> don't have a completed part to shoot right now
[03:34:37] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/H7dRjUG.jpg http://i.imgur.com/XmA6JNt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/uo7H2Ew.jpg These are some older pics
[03:39:36] <PetefromTn_> I would LIKE to have a rotary axis does that count?
[03:39:57] <MacGalempsy> sure, if you can tell me why mine does not want to spin
[03:40:57] <fenn> archivist: all the links are 404 http://www.archivist.info/apt/docs/
[03:42:20] <PetefromTn_> no earthly idea
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[04:05:17] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: did you already have the gun, or did you get it for the job?
[04:09:22] <PetefromTn_> what gun?
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[04:10:44] <MacGalempsy> the rifle
[04:10:48] <MacGalempsy> styer
[04:11:37] <PetefromTn_> no I can't afford that thing man I had a customer approach me that wanted me to build a custom rail for him. The rest is history ;)
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[04:13:31] <MacGalempsy> the rail looks nice
[04:14:09] <PetefromTn_> thank you it took awhile to get the design to work and look proper
[04:14:42] <MacGalempsy> next time tell him you will need to keep the rifle :)
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[04:33:41] <archivist> fenn, use http://www.archivist.info/apt/aptos/apt360/doc/manual/index.html
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[04:45:38] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Well, this one is $100 =) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC4P0VqX8lg
[04:45:55] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: and that's the "old" version too =)
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[05:08:47] <XXCoder> peanut butter is glow in dark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUnSpEtnDNw&feature=em-subs_digest
[05:11:09] <MacGalempsy> George Washington Carver would be enamorized
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[05:50:09] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Nice =)
[05:50:15] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:50:27] <XXCoder> also found a way to do conductive actual paint
[05:50:39] <XXCoder> so i can jailbreak my kindle without solder which i suck on
[05:50:46] <XXCoder> http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264766
[05:50:46] <Jymmm> XXCoder: You're an asshole, cause now I'm gonna be fucking with shit =)
[05:50:57] <XXCoder> you're welcome
[05:51:02] <Jymmm> XXCoder: =)
[05:51:14] <renesis> xxcoder: have you ever used a decent iron?
[05:51:28] <XXCoder> butine one lol
[05:51:32] <renesis> most people are not as bad as they think at soldering, just used to shit irons
[05:51:36] <Jymmm> XXCoder: that would be a no
[05:51:41] <renesis> yeah, thats not gonna cut it for surface mount heh
[05:51:51] <Jymmm> XXCoder: and do you have flux
[05:51:52] <Jymmm> ?
[05:51:56] <XXCoder> yeah. never was trained on soldering I would have to be shown
[05:52:09] <XXCoder> flux yea need to learn that if need solder
[05:52:24] <renesis> mostly its practice, its a lot of stuff is obvious with some magnification and once you see how the solder behaves
[05:52:27] <XXCoder> anyway conductive paint is nice for short work then wash off leaving no perment change
[05:52:34] <renesis> and you want to be easy on the flux with this type of stuff
[05:52:42] <renesis> you have to clean it off
[05:52:54] <renesis> but gel flux and a toothpick work well
[05:53:04] <Jymmm> Be liberal with the flux, just clean it off afterwards
[05:53:16] <renesis> depends on the board
[05:53:24] <renesis> and you cant clean it out of everything without drama
[05:53:26] <Jymmm> I'm spekaing of wires and thru hole, fuck the SMT shit =)
[05:53:38] <renesis> gets into connectors and electromechanicals, under chips
[05:53:41] <XXCoder> that conductive paint uses extra fine graphite and gloss black acrylic paint
[05:53:53] <Jymmm> renesis: The hell you can't.... ultrssonic heated solvent tanks works wonders =)
[05:54:00] <renesis> usually its fine, but it can go resistive and long term its eats stuff =\
[05:54:23] <renesis> yeah what if you have smd mics
[05:54:34] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004RIF3BM/ref=s9_hps_bw_g469_i1 Yes, kinda pricy, but should last you a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time
[05:54:35] <Praesmeodymium> I used to use the automotive conductive paint for the defrosters to jumper my athlons
[05:54:50] <XXCoder> 13 bucks pofft
[05:54:52] <fenn> globbing two wire ends together is a lot different from attaching to a specific fine pitch SMT PCB trace
[05:55:02] <XXCoder> its fine if its lot uses
[05:55:07] <Jymmm> renesis: duct tape the hole =)
[05:55:22] <XXCoder> I dont do electrics usually. I do want to short term add serial port to my kindle pw2
[05:55:25] <XXCoder> so i can root it
[05:55:37] <renesis> you cant always, sometimes its on the bottom through a hole, and theres air gap
[05:55:45] <renesis> anyway, youre right about this like 95% of the time
[05:55:47] <Jymmm> XXCoder: if I checked the logs, there have been a few times you've wanted to solder
[05:56:00] <XXCoder> almost all of it was for kindle lol
[05:56:04] <XXCoder> one use
[05:56:10] <renesis> xxcoder: hakko irons are a deal
[05:56:33] <XXCoder> I think there was couple I wondered about soldering wires but I have no solder solution working just fine now.
[05:56:41] <XXCoder> it accepts 2 pretty different wire diameters.
[05:57:05] <renesis> http://www.amazon.com/sexy_soldering_station/dp/B00ANZRT4M
[05:57:07] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Or get one of these when they are on sale for $19 http://frys.com/product/4825190?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[05:57:23] <XXCoder> lol yep same one
[05:57:25] <renesis> have not use, cannot recommend
[05:57:37] <renesis> the tips are kind of the most important thing once you have any sort of regulation
[05:57:48] <renesis> hakko tips are pretty exceptional, not even for their price just in general
[05:57:56] <Jymmm> XXCoder: DO NOT USE acid flux,
[05:58:01] <renesis> heh
[05:58:09] <renesis> wtf plumbers
[05:58:25] <Jymmm> renesis: =)
[05:58:59] <renesis> xxcoder: anyway, theres like a minimum as far as soldering gear that you need to be functional
[05:59:05] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:59:13] <Jymmm> XXCoder: It's a decent variable soldering station even at $26
[05:59:17] <XXCoder> I dont plan to solder my kindle though
[05:59:26] <renesis> like, radioshack irons have tips that oxidize crazy quick, they run too hot, the plating wears down
[05:59:34] <renesis> so most everyone thinks they suck at soldering
[05:59:47] <Jymmm> renesis: Not me =)
[06:00:04] <renesis> once you get something holds temp and tins well and doesnt oxidize in 30min, you can practice and get good
[06:00:16] <XXCoder> I just thought I was doing stuff wrong, rather than being sucky
[06:00:39] <Jymmm> XXCoder: impatient probably
[06:00:46] <XXCoder> that too probably
[06:00:46] <Jymmm> XXCoder: plus you need FLUX
[06:00:54] <renesis> you dont always need flux
[06:01:00] <renesis> the solder has flux in it
[06:01:14] <Jymmm> Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, never enough for a great solder joint
[06:01:14] <XXCoder> last time I used solder to connect wires it was fune
[06:01:23] <XXCoder> bit rough but yea
[06:01:36] <XXCoder> then my solder died for some reason
[06:01:37] <Jymmm> rough? better be shiny biotch!
[06:01:45] <renesis> sure, joints submerged in flux come out nice, but ive done plenty of joints just using the solder core flux and theyre still fine
[06:02:13] <XXCoder> thats when i bought butine one. worked great
[06:02:19] <Jymmm> renesis: HEy, you have mil spec inspectors whing about your soldering, you use flux =)
[06:02:32] <renesis> for example, reworking microswitches on a PCB mounted to a guitar 3way switch
[06:03:11] <renesis> the flux is resistive so was getting under shit and couldnt be cleaned, way too much and it fucked up the switch, and that shit isnt going into an iso alc bath
[06:03:38] <XXCoder> anyway it takes quite a skilled solder to solder that 3 TINY pads
[06:03:40] <renesis> and youre working next to a $1500 paint job, and need to have the shit done in like 10min to hit schedule, times maybe 150 units
[06:03:42] <XXCoder> and connect 3 wires
[06:03:45] <Jymmm> enatured alcohol evaps quicker =)
[06:03:49] <renesis> flux just messes shit up
[06:03:54] <renesis> it doesnt evap
[06:04:00] <renesis> because its trapped
[06:04:03] <renesis> 10 minutes
[06:04:07] <Jymmm> nah
[06:04:41] <Jymmm> renesis: I still have some 1,1,1 =)
[06:04:47] <renesis> anyway, flux is important, but the solder has flux in it
[06:05:24] <renesis> and flux is messy, its how to keep the mechanical engineers away from your gear
[06:05:41] <XXCoder> http://www.mobileread.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=95828&d=1352503423
[06:05:43] <Jymmm> lol
[06:06:12] <XXCoder> wish guy removed that ad before picture but whatever
[06:06:26] <renesis> you have to solder wires or what?
[06:06:39] <XXCoder> 3 wires, theres 3 tiny pads there
[06:06:51] <Jymmm> XXCoder: solder what to what?
[06:06:52] <XXCoder> then conenct it to serial to usb
[06:07:04] <Jymmm> XXCoder: to do what?
[06:07:11] <renesis> take wires, dip in gel flux, tin wires, put gel flux on top off pads, connect with iron
[06:07:14] <XXCoder> it gives me console access to kindle
[06:07:32] <renesis> you can solder wick the pads and put lead solder on them, will work better
[06:07:35] <XXCoder> I can then use tty to gain root access
[06:07:42] <renesis> also, dont use lead free solder if you can avoid it
[06:07:47] <renesis> shit sucks to work with
[06:07:49] <XXCoder> renesis: yeah tin
[06:07:53] <XXCoder> tin pest
[06:08:02] <XXCoder> in least in very cold places
[06:08:08] <XXCoder> I'm thinking conductive paint
[06:08:16] <XXCoder> as it can be washed if "oops"
[06:08:41] <XXCoder> as you can see theres room around it
[06:08:48] <XXCoder> can tape wires to it then paint
[06:08:51] <renesis> i dont like conductive paint, it chips =\
[06:08:58] <XXCoder> yeah its short term.
[06:09:08] <XXCoder> when rooted i can clean it off then seal again
[06:09:15] <Jymmm> XXCoder: just use tape instead of paint
[06:09:21] <renesis> yeah but if it gets into shit you could fuck the kindle and itll be a bitch to debug the issue
[06:09:31] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Literally tape wires to those pads
[06:09:47] <XXCoder> hm could work
[06:09:53] <XXCoder> it dont take long really
[06:09:56] <renesis> thats so ghetto, heh
[06:09:56] <Jymmm> XXCoder: if you use paint, you'll fuck it up and shoot your eye out kid
[06:10:02] <renesis> but yeah prob better than paint
[06:10:13] <XXCoder> just get root then push own signed certificle to it
[06:10:21] <XXCoder> then I can run rooted stuff
[06:10:22] <renesis> just learn to solder
[06:10:50] <XXCoder> yeah just dont want to solder on my kindle. other guy made a permenent solder to wires though and made a port
[06:10:58] <Jymmm> XXCoder: No, I didn't say duct tape, just regular transparent tape
[06:11:17] <XXCoder> I know. I never said duct
[06:11:32] <Jymmm> XXCoder: No, you said ghetto (aka dct tape)
[06:11:39] <renesis> i said ghetto
[06:11:49] <renesis> and it how theyre connected thats ghetto
[06:11:51] <XXCoder> lol
[06:12:09] <Jymmm> renesis: It's GhettoFaboulus =)
[06:12:17] <renesis> its still prob less drama than paint
[06:12:17] <XXCoder> i was thinking clear because I can see how well its connected AND no cross-connect
[06:12:38] <Jymmm> XXCoder: what ever sticks
[06:12:39] <XXCoder> funny though theres video of guy literally using graphite
[06:12:52] <renesis> hot glue the wires to the board near the taped pads
[06:13:00] <renesis> or just use a lot more tape
[06:13:13] <XXCoder> it was to alter one circuit. knife cut one line then just pencil draw across to other pin
[06:13:20] <Jymmm> renesis: you one of those 3d printing freaks?
[06:13:22] <renesis> its an inherently unreliable shit connection so give it as much support as possible
[06:13:37] <renesis> no i have lots of pro experience with FDM and am not a fan
[06:13:37] <Jymmm> renesis: or glorified glue guns freaks (same diff)
[06:13:51] <renesis> hot glue is used a ton in consumer mass production
[06:13:57] <renesis> and for prototyping its awesome
[06:13:59] <Jymmm> box sealing
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[06:14:08] <renesis> good hold, reworkable, and yeah i like to pot shit in it
[06:14:10] <Jymmm> florist
[06:14:16] <renesis> ill make little molds with masking tape
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[06:14:24] <renesis> and pour the glue in, pull the tape off after
[06:14:42] <renesis> heh, ive done little wired remotes with tactile buttons like that, people seem to like them
[06:14:45] <Jymmm> only problem is the thermal contraction once it cools
[06:14:56] <renesis> not an issue for what i use it for
[06:15:04] <Jymmm> for potting I mean
[06:15:17] <renesis> yeah nothing seems to give a shit
[06:15:33] <renesis> i do a lot of stuff dead bug through unclad perf, so its pretty free to move
[06:15:56] <XXCoder> heh heard of dead bug solder. funny
[06:16:05] <Jymmm> I'll pot a rod in a tube kinda thing
[06:16:18] <renesis> i dont like perfboard with solder pads because they end up sliding and falling off
[06:16:29] <Jymmm> lol
[06:16:30] <renesis> so i just use the perf to hold shit and basically dead bug
[06:16:44] <renesis> pin to pin, wires, bus wire, whatever
[06:17:00] <Jymmm> big blob of solder ;)
[06:17:11] <renesis> appropriate blob of solder, shrug
[06:17:17] <Jymmm> lol
[06:17:19] <renesis> a lot of this stuff is smd
[06:17:46] <renesis> so like, as big as the end of an 0805 or whatever
[06:17:57] <Jymmm> The only smd I touch is unlocking radios
[06:18:15] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT902XX03Nw&feature=youtu.be
[06:18:28] <renesis> some days i basically live at a microscope and breath through a 3m gas dust mask
[06:18:48] <renesis> down to 0201 for the rf geeks
[06:18:58] <Jymmm> renesis: heh
[06:19:05] <renesis> theyre funny theyre like CAN YOU REWORK THIS 2.2pF RESISTOR ON THERE FOR ME
[06:19:14] <Jymmm> ?!
[06:19:26] <renesis> er, capacitor, but yeah crazy tiny values
[06:19:30] <XXCoder> picofarad jeez
[06:19:45] <renesis> its basically two pads
[06:19:56] <XXCoder> your eyeblink probably takes more energy than that lol
[06:20:02] <renesis> theres prob nothing inside the cap
[06:20:18] <Jymmm> Well, sometimes it maters for noise/filtering
[06:20:20] <renesis> well, yeah theyre usually pretty low voltage
[06:20:42] <renesis> naw, this doesnt do shit for filtering really, you get more capacitiance putting traces next to each other
[06:20:46] <renesis> high speed radio shit
[06:20:51] <renesis> 5ghz stuff
[06:21:33] <renesis> like, the smd inductors were basically little pcb with a half turn of trace and a via
[06:21:57] <renesis> higher values, its like the cutest little coil ever in a tiny plastic box
[06:22:10] <renesis> 0402 stuff (.040 x .020 in)
[06:22:11] <Jymmm> =)
[06:22:28] <renesis> expensive parts but theyre almost nothing
[06:22:39] <renesis> all the money prob in QA
[06:22:57] <archivist> and then test with a network analyser
[06:23:05] <Jymmm> renesis: I'll take all their junk leftovers/rejects =)
[06:23:21] <renesis> you dont solder smd what would you do with them? =)
[06:23:43] <Jymmm> renesis: Get a new microscope?
[06:23:53] <renesis> a lot of magnet wire circuits for those guys, too
[06:24:03] <renesis> boom scopes are great
[06:24:44] <renesis> even the cheap for a few hundred are cool
[06:24:52] <renesis> *cheap ones
[06:25:21] <XXCoder> detailed solder version if you guys curious http://www.xodustech.com/guides/kindle-paperwhite-demo-unlock
[06:25:50] <Jymmm> renesis: Use to be 8 hours a night, http://www.absoluteclarity.com/images/detailed/0/refurb-stereo-zoom.jpg
[06:26:14] <Jymmm> XXCoder: they got color yet?
[06:26:23] <renesis> that prob works fine
[06:26:37] <XXCoder> Jymmm: kind of. grayscale and one color from 0 to max possible
[06:26:46] <Jymmm> XXCoder: ah
[06:26:47] <XXCoder> still long way off for full color
[06:26:51] <renesis> can you pick the color?
[06:26:54] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:26:59] <renesis> cool
[06:27:28] <XXCoder> oh this is new http://www.eink.com/press_releases/e_ink_adv_color_101805.html
[06:27:33] <Jymmm> renesis: No, I menat for work microelectronics wire bonding, die attache, etc
[06:27:50] <XXCoder> 2005 actually but new to me
[06:28:19] <Jymmm> XXCoder: If it can do color topo maps, I'd be happy.
[06:28:26] <XXCoder> indeed
[06:28:36] <XXCoder> lcds are awesome but fails hard in sun
[06:28:42] <archivist> stereo zoom is very useful
[06:29:00] <Jymmm> archivist: you have one on your lathe dont you?
[06:29:27] <archivist> I have more than one
[06:29:40] <Jymmm> ah
[06:30:01] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Ah, yeah that company is out of the Bay Area
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[06:31:05] <XXCoder> http://the-digital-reader.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/e-ink-color-32-inch-sign-1.jpg it was too low resolution to be ebook but yeah
[06:31:08] <Jymmm> XXCoder: or there was a color eink one that was
[06:31:24] <Jymmm> heh
[06:31:56] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_09_07_Lorch_lathe/IMG_1823.JPG
[06:32:02] <XXCoder> Jymmm: http://www.ectaco.com/jetBook_Color2_Black/?refid=40816
[06:32:10] <XXCoder> first one for sale I ever found. period
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[06:33:57] <Jymmm> XXCoder: ouch 640x480 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858723010
[06:34:01] <XXCoder> Jymmm: reading amazon reviews
[06:34:08] <XXCoder> its good and bad
[06:34:48] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1CU0D00855
[06:35:25] <XXCoder> cheap version apparently
[06:35:27] <XXCoder> so cheap
[06:35:33] <XXCoder> wonder how hackable it is
[06:35:52] <XXCoder> aaa batteries??
[06:36:07] <XXCoder> 90 hours read time hmm
[06:37:02] <Jymmm> USB1.1
[06:37:09] <Jymmm> Slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
[06:37:33] <Jymmm> I'd rather learn to solder and hack something better.
[06:37:43] <XXCoder> meh not like need to copy fules that often
[06:37:53] <Jymmm> Oh wait, I DO know how to solder!
[06:37:56] <XXCoder> think kindle is usb 1,1 too
[06:38:29] <XXCoder> "Cons: You have to convert formats on your PC if you use anything but TXT and FB2. "
[06:38:36] <XXCoder> ugh
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[06:38:55] <pink_vampire> hi
[06:38:58] <XXCoder> Jymmm: there is cheap boards so yeah could design a nicer android based eink device
[06:39:08] <XXCoder> hey pink_vampire! was wondering whats going on with ya
[06:39:15] <Jymmm> I'd like one of these if 1) if ever see's daylight, and 2) lives up to the hype https://www.meetearl.com/
[06:39:27] <XXCoder> Jymmm: I'd get it if it was like 20 bucks
[06:39:39] <XXCoder> is earl out yet?
[06:39:45] <XXCoder> or is it at 500th revision?
[06:40:03] <XXCoder> holy fucking shit STILL preordedr?
[06:40:17] <pink_vampire> no much.. just live normal life..
[06:40:18] <Jymmm> lol, yep
[06:40:33] <Jymmm> normal life? ya freak!
[06:40:51] <XXCoder> earl is awesome hardware. too bad its vaporware
[06:41:15] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: ¿ןɐɯɹou ǝq ʎɥʍ
[06:41:40] <pink_vampire> I'm working now on the circuit breakers in the panels.
[06:41:41] <Jymmm> XXCoder: exactly, and I question the maps that are available
[06:42:04] <XXCoder> maybe we should work better out Jymmm
[06:42:18] <XXCoder> I want eink color, g sensor, gps, frontlight
[06:42:20] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Which? Earl itself, or the maps?
[06:42:22] <XXCoder> and waterproof
[06:42:27] <pink_vampire> Jymmm: It's help you some times to be "normal"
[06:42:39] <XXCoder> android based so it can be used with any apps incuding google maps
[06:42:40] <Jymmm> pink_vampire: Nevah!
[06:42:54] <Jymmm> XXCoder: fuck google maps, POS
[06:43:15] <XXCoder> I know but some people want it
[06:43:20] <Jymmm> fuck em
[06:43:27] <XXCoder> and making it work with android apps mean more people want it
[06:43:30] <Jymmm> no celluaur anyway
[06:43:46] <XXCoder> I mean, color eink and android device hella yes
[06:44:02] <Jymmm> Uh, no.
[06:44:02] <pink_vampire> I want to use ABB circuit breakers, but I can't find anyting for 110V, it is ok to use 220V breaker for 110v?
[06:44:03] <XXCoder> sure but make it support say dongle
[06:44:10] <Jymmm> no
[06:44:29] <zeeshan> pink_vampire: yes you can
[06:44:32] <XXCoder> sure if you want fires at over-current
[06:44:36] <zeeshan> use each pole as
[06:44:41] <XXCoder> from what I understand anyway
[06:44:42] <zeeshan> the breaker
[06:44:57] <zeeshan> each single phase line on one pole of the breaker
[06:45:03] <zeeshan> XXCoder: no
[06:45:06] <Jymmm> XXCoder: That would be amperage, not voltage
[06:45:14] <XXCoder> ahh
[06:45:28] <zeeshan> each pole has thermal overcurrent protection
[06:45:34] <Jymmm> Voltage on a fuse or break is it's arc prevention prioarily
[06:45:39] <Jymmm> breaker*
[06:45:57] <zeeshan> pink_vampire: try to use fuses
[06:46:01] <zeeshan> they are superior to breakers
[06:46:15] <zeeshan> (in my opinion)
[06:46:16] <zeeshan> :)
[06:46:17] * Jymmm slaps zeeshan back to 1942
[06:46:25] <pink_vampire> so the current is important, and the voltage is just the maximum value?
[06:46:42] <archivist> people often use the wrong breakers then moan about them
[06:47:02] <zeeshan> Jymmm: compare the short circuit current rating of a fuse
[06:47:04] <zeeshan> vs a breaker
[06:47:07] <zeeshan> you'll see there is no comparison
[06:47:12] <archivist> use motor rated ones, they can handle larger surges
[06:47:21] <zeeshan> archivist: nothing about wrong sizing
[06:47:30] <zeeshan> fuses are superior in short circuit current protection
[06:48:19] <archivist> people over size breakers because the use the wrong type, idiots
[06:48:26] <zeeshan> lol
[06:48:28] <pink_vampire> http://www.galco.com/buy/ABB/S201P-D10NA
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[06:48:58] <Jymmm> archivist: That's silly, nothign could go wrong using a 100A breaker on a 15A circuit =)
[06:49:01] <pink_vampire> this one will work for 110V?
[06:49:02] <Deejay> moin
[06:49:22] <XXCoder> yo
[06:49:31] <pink_vampire> hi Deejay
[06:49:41] <Deejay> hi pink
[06:49:47] <archivist> Jymmm, correct the breaker will survive anything
[06:50:31] <Jymmm> archivist: Exactly, no need to replace those expensive breakers anymore, just grab the marchmellows and have a seat =)
[06:51:23] <archivist> also everyone know to use nails in place of wire fuses
[06:53:00] <Jymmm> archivist: I prefer .22lr shells instead... http://videos.howstuffworks.com/discovery/45806-mythbusters-gun-cartridge-fuse-minimyth-video.htm
[06:54:28] <zeeshan> pink_vampire: buy eaton circuit breakers
[06:54:30] <zeeshan> http://www.eaton.com/Eaton/ProductsServices/Electrical/ProductsandServices/CircuitProtection/IndustrialMiniatureCircuitBreakers/Cable-InCable-OutMiniatureCircuitBreakersandSupplementaryProtectors/DualRatedULandIEC/index.htm
[06:54:30] <zeeshan> :)
[06:54:53] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: making stuff still?
[06:55:02] <zeeshan> also on your other link
[06:55:07] <zeeshan> there was 110v breaker..
[06:55:11] <zeeshan> its called a single pole breaker
[06:55:16] <zeeshan> its the one towards the very back in the pic
[06:55:51] <Jymmm> archivist: If that oen doens't work/slow... http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/gun-cartridge-fuse-minimyth/
[06:56:30] <pink_vampire> zeeshan: why eaton?
[06:57:41] <pink_vampire> ??
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[07:00:39] <XXCoder> Jymmm: check this http://goodereader.com/blog/e-paper/microsoft-unveils-keyboard-cover-with-e-ink-touchscreen
[07:00:44] <XXCoder> eink screen on keyboard
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[07:03:48] <XXCoder> wow check this out Jymmm http://goodereader.com/blog/e-paper/qualcomm-is-not-giving-up-on-mirasol
[07:03:53] <XXCoder> new way to do colors
[07:04:07] <XXCoder> one that can cover all colors not just within RGB space
[07:08:16] <archivist> Jymmm, a bit of potentiometer shaft, fits all 1/4 size holders
[07:09:05] <Jymmm> archivist: but, but , but .22lr ammo is the perfect length for a fuse holder, and comes in a pack of 500 for $20 =)
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[07:10:36] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I don't want an eWatch, just a color eink tablet please
[07:10:56] <XXCoder> Jymmm: I know but its a completely new tech
[07:11:10] <XXCoder> better than even eink/ too bad it dont seem to sell.
[07:11:33] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Yeah, Nooooooooooooo... http://goodereader.com/blog/tablet-slates/qualcomm-mirasol-technology-reimagined-as-wearable-tech
[07:12:10] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I have a 6" Phablet as it is =)
[07:12:21] <XXCoder> yeah heh
[07:12:36] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_ascend_mate2_4g-5949.php
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[07:14:53] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I hate scrolling or pinch-to-zoom just to read something.
[07:15:04] <XXCoder> yeah
[07:15:24] <Jymmm> XXCoder: and I cna charge other things FROM this phone =)
[07:18:35] <fenn> XXCoder: Jymmm get nook simpletouch, dump the barnes and noble software, and realize you don't need color after all
[07:18:58] <XXCoder> fenn: theres no development on nook stuff now
[07:18:58] <Jymmm> fenn: This is for color topo maps
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[07:19:42] <fenn> well, it works, and everything else is crazy
[07:19:47] <fenn> or vaporware
[07:20:36] <fenn> you can run debian on nook btw
[07:20:57] <XXCoder> I couldnt find any information
[07:21:32] <fenn> for some reason android people suck at open source development
[07:21:46] <fenn> so all the documentation is scattered across a bazillion forum posts
[07:21:47] <Jymmm> fenn: that would be Google
[07:25:48] <Jymmm> Is B&N still in business?
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[07:27:50] <fenn> they fired the nook team long ago
[07:28:12] <XXCoder> fenn: chroot only and need connectbot
[07:28:26] <XXCoder> would be nice to completely replace nook android with some decent linux distro
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[07:29:09] <pink_vampire> I have no real idea what to do with the CNC :(
[07:29:24] <fenn> make guns, shoot stuff!
[07:29:44] <fenn> make an e-ink reader that doesn't suck
[07:30:07] <pink_vampire> by real I mean something that I really need or can't buy.
[07:30:38] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: maybe some artwork
[07:30:41] <XXCoder> fun stuff
[07:30:50] <XXCoder> not nesscarly useful
[07:31:02] <pink_vampire> I have to much junk and no house..
[07:31:04] <fenn> non-suck e-ink reader existed once: http://positron.org/projects/A51/case.shtml
[07:31:40] <XXCoder> nice
[07:32:30] <fenn> it really amazes me how the perfect design was whipped up in a weekend by one engineer, and monstrous corporations flailed around for years and still can't come up with something people actually want
[07:32:44] <pink_vampire> for the stuff that I wnt to make I need very good programer.
[07:33:17] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: I have similiar problem but working on freecad to learn modeling stuff
[07:33:33] <XXCoder> then evenually something to turn it into gcode for my cnc
[07:33:34] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you know how to program?
[07:33:45] <XXCoder> only very basics
[07:34:21] <pink_vampire> I know how to make tool path for my cnc, and I'm very good in solidworks.
[07:34:44] <pink_vampire> I need a programer for arm / arduino.
[07:34:49] <XXCoder> nice! youre in advance from me then :D
[07:35:03] <XXCoder> I dont own solidworks so freecad have to do for me
[07:35:18] <pink_vampire> how is you cnc going?
[07:35:33] <XXCoder> still fixing settings, as it turns out my motors is very weak
[07:35:48] <XXCoder> but it will work for wood, but I will evenually need to upgrade.
[07:38:02] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: what do yo mean "very weak"??
[07:38:24] <XXCoder> it gets jammed if too fast or high acceration
[07:38:33] <XXCoder> if its going fast i can stop it lightly by hand
[07:38:37] <XXCoder> so yeah lol
[07:38:43] <XXCoder> its fine for wood at low speeds
[07:38:45] <pink_vampire> the steppers lose steps?
[07:38:51] <XXCoder> but it cant handle any metal
[07:39:33] <pink_vampire> the motor stop?
[07:39:41] <XXCoder> jams yeah
[07:41:31] <pink_vampire> the motor stop and the controller (mach / linuxcnc) keep counting steps?
[07:41:35] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[07:41:53] <XXCoder> I dont know how accurate it is till I cut something
[07:42:00] <XXCoder> and I cant cut till I move machine to garage
[07:43:19] <fenn> xxcoder you need to figure out what's going wrong, probably something in the stepper driver
[07:43:44] <fenn> maybe mid-band resonance, maybe one of the many documented design flaws with the tb6560
[07:43:45] <pink_vampire> you can try to cut a circle, and than to see if is't round or oval in one of the axis.
[07:43:46] <XXCoder> possibly
[07:44:00] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: yeah tests showed it was pretty circle
[07:44:12] <XXCoder> but cant check sizes on pencil draw with precision
[07:44:31] <XXCoder> need to test it with more current settings see what its like
[07:45:05] <pink_vampire> what is the feed rate that you use in wood?
[07:45:36] <XXCoder> orginially I was using 200 max speed and 500 max acceration
[07:46:08] <XXCoder> after removing one motor to test stuff I found out 50 mm/s max and around 30 mm/s^2 accel max
[07:46:29] <pink_vampire> 500 IPM WOW
[07:46:57] <XXCoder> yeah it can move that fast
[07:47:02] <XXCoder> but with virtually no power
[07:47:34] <fenn> to test accuracy you can probe a large bearing race sitting on a piece of insulating material
[07:47:34] <XXCoder> constantly jams too
[07:47:54] <pink_vampire> 1270mm / min this is nice!
[07:48:21] <XXCoder> it'd be nice if it worked
[07:48:22] <XXCoder> it didnt
[07:48:37] <XXCoder> sure it can move but it cant touch nything meanwhile
[07:48:37] <fenn> 12700mm/min or 500mm/min not sure
[07:48:52] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you work metric or imperial?
[07:48:56] <XXCoder> metric'
[07:49:27] <XXCoder> who adviced me to remove motor and test it?
[07:49:30] <XXCoder> oh yeah zeeshan
[07:50:23] <pink_vampire> what is 200 max?? and how the acceration is more than the max speed????
[07:50:55] <XXCoder> it dont matter as tests show 50mm/s is max speed it can safely do
[07:51:13] <XXCoder> and around 30 mm/s^2 acceleration
[07:51:35] <pink_vampire> 50mm is veryyyy sloooo
[07:51:46] <XXCoder> yep lol
[07:52:02] <pink_vampire> so in less than 2 sec you are at the top speed??
[07:52:09] <pink_vampire> in wood??
[07:52:42] <pink_vampire> 50mm is the speed that I'm cutting steel.
[07:52:57] <XXCoder> yeah I tried 15 mm/s^2 but motors feel quite rough
[07:53:21] <pink_vampire> I'm soo happy now with my servo,
[07:53:39] <pink_vampire> servos****
[07:53:58] <fenn> xxcoder you can practice soldering on your crap stepper driver board
[07:54:05] <XXCoder> lol
[07:54:07] <fenn> it will be a great learning experience
[07:54:29] <fenn> (learn not to buy crap electronics)
[07:54:42] <fenn> <- hasn't learned
[07:55:04] <pink_vampire> the motors getting hot? if not push more current.
[07:55:22] <XXCoder> its at 100% already
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[07:56:11] <pink_vampire> what motors you are using? what drivers? what power supply?
[07:56:31] <XXCoder> tb6560 nema23 motors
[07:56:41] <XXCoder> 34 umm watts? power supply
[07:57:03] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema23-Stepping-Motor-110N-cm-3-0A-4wire-board-TB6560-Power-for-CMC-mill-/281188392513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4178225e41
[07:57:05] <XXCoder> this kit
[07:57:24] <XXCoder> ah 350w/24v
[07:59:14] <pink_vampire> the board is pure junk.
[07:59:19] <XXCoder> it is lol
[07:59:24] <XXCoder> but it works for now
[07:59:43] <XXCoder> I can reuse it for more light use stuff like laser if I ever go there
[07:59:43] <pink_vampire> 50mm... work...
[07:59:57] <XXCoder> hm
[08:00:23] <XXCoder> linuxcnc can it set maxanium speed seeprately for rapids and others?
[08:00:32] <XXCoder> rapid it should be fine much faster
[08:00:38] <XXCoder> since its not touching anything
[08:00:53] <fenn> no, rapid is maximum speed
[08:01:02] <XXCoder> too bad
[08:01:03] <fenn> for other moves use F
[08:01:19] <XXCoder> I suppose I can make sure f never goes above certain value.
[08:01:27] <XXCoder> oh yeah!
[08:01:37] <XXCoder> is there a way to edit gcode while its loaded?
[08:01:42] <pink_vampire> maybe the power supply cantsupport 3 motors.
[08:02:02] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: possibly? other 2 was holding which uses more power
[08:02:07] <fenn> you can set the editor in the .ini and clicking the edit button will launch the editor
[08:02:16] <XXCoder> ahh nice
[08:02:33] <fenn> it was left blank to prevent holy wars
[08:02:34] <XXCoder> I love emas but dont think I wanna learn it all over
[08:03:14] <pink_vampire> try to do a cut a line in the wood with only 1 axis connect to the power supply.
[08:03:30] <XXCoder> yeah cant cut in second living room
[08:03:35] <XXCoder> have to move machine
[08:03:43] <fenn> get a big cardboard box...
[08:04:10] <fenn> on second thought, don't burn the house down
[08:04:33] <pink_vampire> also.. I think that 24V is a bit low for the steppers.
[08:05:21] <fenn> more voltage just raises the top speed
[08:05:57] <fenn> 50mm/s is plenty fast for a small machine like this
[08:06:23] <pink_vampire> fenn: it's not 60X40 cm?
[08:06:49] <pink_vampire> and it is 50mm/min!!
[08:07:07] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: its mm/s
[08:07:45] <pink_vampire> ok...
[08:08:00] <pink_vampire> 50mm/s is fine..
[08:08:04] <XXCoder> its not super speedy but its okay
[08:08:36] <XXCoder> 400mm/s actually worked, with sometimes jams because table (kitchen table) under it moved lol
[08:08:44] <XXCoder> insane'
[08:09:28] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: what is the size of the cnc?
[08:09:36] <pink_vampire> x & y
[08:09:50] <XXCoder> 2.5 foot by 2 foot
[08:10:01] <XXCoder> clearance is 3 inches lol so good for sheets only
[08:10:24] <pink_vampire> I mean the travel of the x and y axis?
[08:10:39] <XXCoder> yeah thats what i said. well workspace is little bit smaller
[08:10:55] <XXCoder> workspace is 2'x1.8'
[08:12:04] <XXCoder> 50 mm/s would be quite slow if it was large 4'x8' workspace router I wanted lol
[08:12:15] <XXCoder> I would definitely use much more beefy motors then
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[08:13:10] <pink_vampire> I think you can be more than happy with the speed of the machine for the size.
[08:13:20] <XXCoder> yeah its workable
[08:13:27] <XXCoder> wish had little bit more
[08:13:45] <XXCoder> so I can match ipm to very fast spindle (27000 rpm)
[08:14:03] <XXCoder> I will evenually upgrade both so it dont matter for now
[08:14:16] <pink_vampire> about cutting metals, you will have to go very very slooow
[08:14:53] <XXCoder> not with 27000 rpm it would eat tools
[08:14:57] <XXCoder> way too fast
[08:15:04] <XXCoder> it will constantly rub and dull
[08:15:31] <pink_vampire> did you try to cut aluminum?
[08:15:37] <XXCoder> no cuts yet
[08:15:47] <XXCoder> just pencil ziptied to spindle holder lol
[08:16:31] <pink_vampire> I know that ceramic cutters like heat.
[08:17:31] <XXCoder> ok
[08:17:53] <XXCoder> I'm limited to tools with 6 mm diameter lol
[08:18:00] <XXCoder> "spindle" is quite limited
[08:18:06] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpA53dh4nMY
[08:18:15] <XXCoder> I think er16 might fit in it but havent tested
[08:18:31] <XXCoder> inconvel
[08:18:42] <XXCoder> er inconel thats one tough tool
[08:18:51] <fenn> 27000 rpm is perfect for an endmill with .085 inch diameter in aluminum
[08:19:07] <XXCoder> not bad
[08:19:10] <XXCoder> it might work
[08:19:29] <XXCoder> fenn: whats required ipm for it
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[08:19:42] <fenn> feed is 10mm/s (25ipm)
[08:19:54] <XXCoder> 10mm/s? it could work. surpise!
[08:20:03] <XXCoder> just hope motors is strong enough
[08:20:03] <pink_vampire> he write at the text of the video
[08:20:14] <pink_vampire> Cutter: Kennametal Ceramic Endmill - EADE0500J6ARC KYS40 Material: Inconel 625 Annealed RPM: 15500 IPM: 110 Ae: .25-.500 Ap: .0197
[08:20:25] <XXCoder> jeez
[08:20:40] <XXCoder> at work i always wear down engraving tools on that metal
[08:20:45] <XXCoder> and he abuse big tool very fast
[08:20:55] <XXCoder> engrave tool is very small
[08:21:05] <XXCoder> 1 mm I guess?
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[08:21:43] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1K5QjR3hyU
[08:21:51] <XXCoder> no coolant I guess it really needs heat
[08:22:20] <XXCoder> cool visual though
[08:22:53] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you can cut electrods for edm from graphite. you need very high speed spindle. and almost almost zero torqe
[08:23:35] <XXCoder> edm?
[08:23:35] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ceramic cut buy melting the metal that it's cut.
[08:24:00] <XXCoder> ointeresting
[08:24:48] <XXCoder> I wonder if thats how people mill tungesin
[08:24:49] <pink_vampire> Electrical discharge machining (EDM)
[08:24:58] <XXCoder> oh
[08:25:00] <pink_vampire> yes
[08:25:11] <pink_vampire> and water jet
[08:25:15] <XXCoder> tungesn?
[08:25:20] <XXCoder> interesting
[08:25:22] <pink_vampire> yes
[08:25:27] <pink_vampire> also edm
[08:25:37] <fenn> hard materials like ceramic will crack with too much temperature difference caused by water hitting them while hot
[08:25:59] <XXCoder> result of video I linked here looks a little rough'
[08:26:04] <XXCoder> but hey tool lasts long time
[08:26:11] <XXCoder> now it can just finish it
[08:26:15] <XXCoder> get nice smooth finish
[08:26:21] <XXCoder> less tools broken
[08:26:34] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhCBJ_uNUno
[08:26:44] <XXCoder> I usually use around 20 tiny ball em to engrave 600 endcaps
[08:27:41] <XXCoder> wish more people use tripods
[08:27:55] <XXCoder> I plan to take videos soon, with sucky webcam but will be sable
[08:27:59] <XXCoder> stable
[08:28:48] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: you an also engrave glass, you just glide over it and with small dimond ball endmill.
[08:29:01] <XXCoder> yeah 27000 rpm is perfect for that
[08:29:32] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqRbHl0E6lo
[08:29:37] <XXCoder> look at that
[08:29:38] <XXCoder> fly!
[08:30:14] <XXCoder> it takes a LOT of energy to seperate tungsten
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[08:31:45] <pink_vampire> you can also engrave stones.
[08:32:11] <fenn> wow
[08:32:46] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: you have given me great reasons to not throw that spindle when i get better spindle later lol
[08:33:00] <XXCoder> glass and stone
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[08:33:54] <XXCoder> 27000 rpm is very nice and very fast
[08:34:02] <XXCoder> most spindles cant go nearly that fast
[08:34:09] <XXCoder> many barely crack 2k
[08:34:30] <XXCoder> big negative is 27000 is also its minium
[08:34:54] <pink_vampire> my spindle is low speed high torqe, so I can do soft materials and metals but wood, glass, and other hard materials get poor finish.
[08:35:22] <XXCoder> you can always cheat a little
[08:35:36] <XXCoder> use a router (not cnc) to clean it off
[08:35:51] <fenn> bolt a router to your mill head
[08:36:04] <pink_vampire> this is ugly.
[08:36:28] <pink_vampire> I want something that will go in to the collet.
[08:36:36] <fenn> why?
[08:36:49] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: not as ugly as hack I saw at one company
[08:36:58] <XXCoder> they used dermel attached to spindle
[08:37:08] <pink_vampire> it's look better.
[08:37:15] <XXCoder> spindle does angles by rotating (within range as theres wire) and dermel does side holes
[08:37:28] <fenn> you can mill a pretty bracket from aluminum billet to hold the spindle
[08:37:35] <fenn> er, to hold the router
[08:37:39] <XXCoder> yeah
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[08:37:45] <XXCoder> belkins edge trimmer
[08:37:48] <XXCoder> its quite small
[08:38:05] <XXCoder> 3 in diameter around there
[08:38:21] <pink_vampire> but than the spindle is not at the center of the table..
[08:38:42] <XXCoder> sure but as long as it covers entire part it dont matter
[08:38:47] <pink_vampire> and I need to make holes in the head of the machine..
[08:38:50] <XXCoder> no
[08:39:16] <XXCoder> make something that can be held by collet and hold router
[08:39:24] <XXCoder> but it is pretty ugly hack yes
[08:40:48] <pink_vampire> I have the digitizer that I've maked and never really use is for digitizing
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[08:44:17] <fenn> you can clamp an aluminum bracket around the quill like this http://pico-systems.com/wwspndl.html
[08:44:42] <XXCoder> geez TINY ics
[08:44:47] <XXCoder> pics
[08:44:49] <XXCoder> but nice
[08:45:41] <XXCoder> 24000 almost as fast as mine
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[08:48:55] <fenn> i think this is the same model mill as yours http://www.hossmachine.info/projects.html#engraver
[08:49:28] <XXCoder> that is edge router
[08:49:35] <XXCoder> not the chunky normal router
[08:49:36] <fenn> oh maybe it is an x2
[08:50:42] <pink_vampire> fenn: I want something like http://www.airturbinetools.com/images/home/spindles.jpg
[08:51:16] <fenn> do you have an air compressor capable of running it?
[08:51:48] <pink_vampire> like the one on the left but brushless.
[08:52:20] <pink_vampire> I mean the concept is what I want.
[08:52:53] <fenn> a reason to get a lathe :D
[08:52:59] <pink_vampire> I dont like the side mount.
[08:53:24] <pink_vampire> sawing machine first..
[08:54:35] * fenn sleep
[08:54:57] <XXCoder> night fenn and thanks
[08:55:17] <pink_vampire> good night :)
[08:55:22] <fenn> i'm always free to dispense completely worthless advice
[08:56:17] <fenn> i mean, you're welcome
[08:57:26] <pink_vampire> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61giUZ2uXEL._SL1074_.jpg
[08:57:39] <pink_vampire> what is the name of this material?
[08:59:15] <XXCoder> looks like cheap plastic
[09:00:20] <pink_vampire> it's double color plastic, for engraving.
[09:00:45] <XXCoder> nice. I bet its makeable though
[09:00:55] <XXCoder> sheet of plastic then cover with different color sheet
[09:01:35] <pink_vampire> I know that you can get it as large plate,
[09:01:39] <XXCoder> ohh I want this one https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/D1_dice.JPG
[09:01:46] <XXCoder> D1 heh nice joke
[09:01:52] <XXCoder> can't roll anything besides 1
[09:01:53] <pink_vampire> http://www.johnsonplastics.com/rowmark.html
[09:02:20] <XXCoder> laserglow
[09:02:29] <XXCoder> nonglowy layer and glowy layer
[09:02:56] <pink_vampire> just ,marketing..
[09:03:11] <XXCoder> sure its nice for emergacy though
[09:06:08] <XXCoder> I remember there is material that has many many random colors in layers
[09:06:12] <XXCoder> but cant find it
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[09:16:15] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: so you has no cnc project at this time?
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[09:18:10] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: nothing from the last time..
[09:18:27] <XXCoder> last time you was working on t nuts
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[09:21:58] <pink_vampire> yes.. i did 10 of tham.
[09:22:21] <pink_vampire> than I start with the lapping
[09:23:03] <pink_vampire> and I put the rails in the panel cabinet
[09:23:34] <pink_vampire> all the electronics in parts :(
[09:23:54] <XXCoder> cool
[09:26:01] <pink_vampire> I wish that I was get the cnc when I was a kid..
[09:27:32] <XXCoder> :)
[09:28:00] <XXCoder> funny how meanings change over time
[09:28:01] <XXCoder> http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l59mnfjJGq1qcxjs1o1_500.jpg
[09:29:15] <pink_vampire> I'm 29.. I want kids..
[09:29:35] <XXCoder> 29 is bit late but still fine
[09:29:50] <XXCoder> 39 myself. I dont think i will have any kids
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[10:09:00] <renesis> fuck kids
[10:09:08] <renesis> worse than dogs
[10:09:36] <XXCoder> ya had kids eh
[10:10:07] <renesis> no i learn from other peoples mistakes
[10:10:08] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/4K-e6JA1Ohs
[10:12:18] <XXCoder> http://www.cracked.com/article_20392_the-7-most-ridiculously-advanced-machines-built-out-legos.html
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[11:43:05] <Tom_itx> XXCoder, we machined tungsten with carbide cutters
[11:53:16] <jthornton> morning
[11:58:02] <jthornton> it's going to be cool in gatlinburg this weekend... I better bring a coat
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[12:05:42] <Tom_itx> windy here
[12:07:12] <MattyMatt> EMC² merging with Dell. does this mean linuxcnc can use the emc2 name again?
[12:08:20] <SpeedEvil> Unlikely.
[12:08:31] <SpeedEvil> Dell will generally gain the rights to the name.
[12:08:45] <MattyMatt> yeah but will they care so much? :)
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[12:09:29] <MattyMatt> they've absorbed and munched up a competitor
[12:09:55] <MattyMatt> there can be only one
[12:10:26] <Tom_itx> linuxcnc has come so far from the original emc project i see no reason to turn back now
[12:12:05] <MattyMatt> we're already treading on dell's toes by making machines with custom green plastic parts. that's their shtick
[12:14:22] <MattyMatt> sorry, that's reprap :) wrong channel
[12:15:10] <Tom_itx> even so, reprappers were using an already manufactured colored product
[12:15:52] <Tom_itx> 'you can't shape that green spagetti product into this shape because we don't like it'
[12:15:55] <MattyMatt> and they're not all green, except in the build instructions
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[13:01:30] <lair82> Good Morning guys, just starting up the mill I'm working on and was wondering, should the DRO be updating the actual position feedback if I manually move each ballscrew by hand? Or does it need to see something enabled in the control?
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[13:10:09] <cradek> even in estop it always updates the screen
[13:11:15] <jthornton> if you have encoder feedback it will update all the time
[13:14:41] <lair82> I have resolvers on this, if that makes a difference. i see the pos-fb signals moving up and down, too fast to watch, but nothing on th GUI
[13:17:06] <jthornton> resolvers are above my pay grade :)
[13:18:21] <cradek> what do you mean moving up and down?
[13:24:45] <lair82> http://postimg.org/gallery/1rp3dpaje/ here are a few screenshos
[13:25:32] <lair82> the last 4-5 digits are fluctuating up and down
[13:26:43] <lair82> we have manualy mov the y axis back and forth 3-4 inches, and I haven't seen any movement on the gui.
[13:26:54] <lair82> *moved*
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[13:31:15] <lair82> I'm just tryim
[13:31:17] <lair82> nh
[13:32:32] <lair82> I'm just trying to make sure that the resolver rotation is correct in relation to axis direction before I turn the drives on, and snd the table off the ways
[13:34:29] <Sync> limit the output of your drive command and have your hand hovering above the estop
[13:35:30] <lair82> I always hate that option :(
[13:35:58] <lair82> But might be the only one.
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[13:44:49] <Sync> why do you hate it?
[13:44:52] <Sync> it is the easiest one
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[14:06:56] <lair82> I'm not one for the suspense of turning the machine, and having things go wrong right off the bat :)
[14:07:41] <cradek> if only the last 4 digits are changing then your feedback is bogus
[14:08:04] <cradek> if you move the table 4 inches or mm the number should change by 4
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[14:16:35] <ssi> morn
[14:16:45] <Wolf_> morning
[14:16:52] <ssi> how's that bom looking
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[14:25:21] <Wolf_> I got most of the major parts in it
[14:25:24] <Wolf_> I think
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[14:31:36] <CaptHindsight> EMC is being acquired by Dell for $67B, the EMC that was worried that Enhanced Machine Controller would be confused with it
[14:33:45] <cradek> good riddance
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[14:39:41] <ssi> lol
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[14:39:53] <ssi> cradek doesn't have strong feelings about those guys at all
[14:40:36] <zeeshan> lol
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[14:42:08] <zeeshan> tbh, i like linuxcnc name over emc :P
[14:42:21] <ssi> it's just more cumbersome to say
[14:42:26] <zeeshan> lcnc
[14:42:27] <zeeshan> :)
[14:42:35] <ssi> and it irks me when mach people say "linux" when they mean "linuxcnc"
[14:42:42] <zeeshan> lol
[14:42:49] <zeeshan> eeejiots
[14:43:06] <zeeshan> dude im excited
[14:43:08] <zeeshan> tomorrow i get my lathe
[14:43:11] <ssi> :D
[14:43:12] <zeeshan> _hopefully_
[14:43:18] <zeeshan> this time they can load it!
[14:43:24] <zeeshan> im gonna be at work
[14:43:27] <ssi> Wolf_: send me that bom and I'll start ordering some parts
[14:43:29] <zeeshan> but my dad's going to be here to watch the unload
[14:43:52] <ssi> I'm gonna try to get that robot arm soon
[14:43:53] <CaptHindsight> do you say it like El-since or Lk-nk or?
[14:44:00] <zeeshan> which bot arm
[14:44:09] <ssi> the kuka that I've been drooling over for months
[14:44:14] <ssi> kr150
[14:44:42] <ssi> I'm gonna fly my cousin up to va, we'll get a truck rented and pick up the arm, and then he can drive it back
[14:44:50] <ssi> should be like 300-400 to rent one way
[14:46:27] <zeeshan> dude
[14:46:39] <zeeshan> homedepot is actually a pretty sweet place to rent a flatbed pick up truck from
[14:46:42] <zeeshan> they got ford 250us
[14:46:45] <zeeshan> 250s
[14:46:52] <zeeshan> it costs 40bux to rent it for 4 hours
[14:46:55] <ssi> can't put 3200lb on a 250
[14:47:01] <zeeshan> im sure you can
[14:47:04] <ssi> not "legally" anyway
[14:47:04] <zeeshan> this thing was beefy
[14:47:11] <zeeshan> its a converted f250
[14:47:19] <ssi> and I might try to buy two of them
[14:47:22] <Wolf_> home depot is local rental only
[14:47:23] <ssi> definitely can't put 6400lb on one :)
[14:47:24] <CaptHindsight> on sale again http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kuka-Roboter-KR150L-150SP-2-Robot-Arm-No-Controller/271659536669
[14:47:28] <zeeshan> yes, you bring it back :P
[14:47:42] <ssi> it's 260 miles, I'm not bringing it back :)
[14:48:00] <zeeshan> ssi why are you buying this bot arm
[14:48:03] <zeeshan> when your mill isn't done
[14:48:07] <ssi> BECAUSE IT'S AWESOME KTHX
[14:48:09] <zeeshan> what are you a maker?
[14:48:12] <zeeshan> start projects
[14:48:14] <zeeshan> and never finish em?
[14:48:15] <zeeshan> :P
[14:48:21] <ssi> yes, that's exactly what I do
[14:48:23] <ssi> you should know this
[14:48:30] <ssi> speaking of which, I found a stupid car project I kinda want :(
[14:48:55] <ssi> holy shit craigslist has our work ip blocked :(
[14:49:06] <zeeshan> suckas
[14:49:11] <zeeshan> its holiday here :D
[14:49:20] <ssi> it's a z32tt with a bunch of upgrades
[14:49:33] <ssi> twin gt28rs, 617cc injectors, full exhaust, bunch of other shit
[14:49:35] <CaptHindsight> 25 meter Kuka cable for the same price as the whole arm
[14:49:37] <ssi> with a rod knock, $4500
[14:49:48] <ssi> it's a $15k car with the knock fixed
[14:50:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kuka-Roboter-Robot-Power-Cable-01-052-061-25-meters-X20-X30-Good-Condition-/281822365960
[14:50:02] <ssi> I need a car project like I need a third testicle
[14:50:50] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I have zero intention of trying to acquire and/or use the original control
[14:51:00] <zeeshan> im actually working on mine today
[14:51:03] <zeeshan> been finishing up the wiring
[14:51:03] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I wouldn't
[14:51:06] <zeeshan> car is almost done..
[14:51:09] <zeeshan> prolly needs like 2 weeks of work
[14:51:27] <ssi> zeeshan: I figure if I got that Z I could pull the engine/trans together, get that engine torn down
[14:51:34] <ssi> hopefully it just needs the crank turned and oversized bearings
[14:51:37] <zeeshan> i dunno if you have worked on one of those
[14:51:39] <zeeshan> i have
[14:51:40] <ssi> worst case a jdm engine is cheap
[14:51:44] <zeeshan> they're a pain in the ass to work on
[14:51:53] <ssi> I've worked on VG30ETs a lot, but not much on the DETTs
[14:51:54] <zeeshan> but cool looking
[14:52:07] <ssi> the twin cam ones are wiiiiide bitches
[14:52:35] <ssi> http://s721.photobucket.com/user/NASalas/media/PIC08721.jpg.html
[14:52:37] <archivist> car will be crumpled under the new lathe
[14:52:37] <ssi> ridiculoues
[14:52:52] <zeeshan> changing spark plugs aint easy :P
[14:53:00] <ssi> yea you gotta pull the upper manifold
[14:53:09] <t12> morning
[14:53:22] <ssi> they're strong ass engines though
[14:53:28] <ssi> bottom end'll do 1000hp stock
[14:53:30] <zeeshan> archivist: nice jab
[14:53:30] <zeeshan> :)
[14:53:41] <zeeshan> archivist: did you see the pic of the lathe
[14:53:43] <zeeshan> all stripped up?
[14:53:43] <ssi> they have girdled maincaps
[14:53:44] <ssi> http://grannys.tripod.com/VG30bottomend.jpg
[14:53:51] <archivist> zeeshan, no
[14:54:01] <zeeshan> ssi its a nissan
[14:54:04] <zeeshan> motors are strong :D
[14:54:12] <ssi> yep
[14:54:23] <zeeshan> do it!
[14:54:48] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: Canandian Columbus Day?
[14:55:04] <ssi> zeeshan: don't tempt me :'(
[14:55:09] <zeeshan> archivist: http://i.imgur.com/7FTPMhJ.jpg
[14:55:18] <zeeshan> its only 5 feet wide now
[14:55:19] <zeeshan> :D
[14:55:36] <ssi> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/5249696320.html
[14:55:56] <archivist> zeeshan, I did say kit yesterday :)
[14:55:56] <zeeshan> looks nice
[14:56:03] <zeeshan> archivist: haha
[14:56:08] <zeeshan> itll stay like this right now..
[14:56:15] <zeeshan> i will make new brackets for the panels
[14:56:34] <zeeshan> and ofcourse clean up the wiring
[14:56:52] <zeeshan> most of those wires go to the original control
[14:56:57] <archivist> like my CMM, I am no longer using the rack so it takes less space
[14:57:09] <zeeshan> yes
[14:57:14] <zeeshan> its crazy how much space that cover took
[14:57:26] <zeeshan> just to make the machine look beefier
[14:57:30] <archivist> made it pretty though
[14:57:39] <Sync> ssi: so does my mitsu engine :D
[14:57:53] <ssi> Sync: what, girdled mains?
[14:57:56] <Sync> ye
[14:57:59] <ssi> which engine?
[14:58:04] <Sync> 4g93
[14:58:04] <zeeshan> 4g63
[14:58:08] <zeeshan> even has that
[14:58:10] <ssi> I didn't think the 63 had it
[14:58:14] <zeeshan> my 4g64 had it too
[14:58:18] <ssi> I don't remember mine being girdled
[14:58:28] <Sync> it depends on the year
[14:58:40] <Sync> http://mitsuevo.com/4g63_build/1/IMG_2006.JPG
[14:59:26] <zeeshan> its funny i built my last 4g64 like 15 years ago
[14:59:30] <zeeshan> but i won't ever forget that pic you posted
[14:59:38] <zeeshan> was so much fun
[14:59:45] <zeeshan> nothing like working on a piece of shit rotary
[15:00:08] <ssi> lol
[15:00:18] <Sync> I'd like a boosted rotary
[15:00:27] <Sync> but boosting them here is spendy
[15:00:34] <ssi> where's here?
[15:00:41] <Sync> germoney
[15:00:46] <ssi> lol
[15:00:50] <CaptHindsight> ssi: where do they hide the tensioner for the timing belt on the VG30
[15:01:11] <ssi> CaptHindsight: it's different on the DETT than it is on the ET
[15:01:42] <ssi> but I think on the DETT is that idler right in the valley
[15:01:48] <ssi> it's an eccentric idler
[15:02:33] <ssi> on the ET the tbelt is flat across the top between the sprockets
[15:02:40] <ssi> single-cam, so only one sprocjet per side
[15:02:45] <CaptHindsight> like some VW's
[15:02:47] <ssi> and the tensioner is down by the crank gear
[15:02:53] <ssi> http://www.xenonzcar.com/z31/images/Timing%20Belt%20Replacement/Timing-marks-2.jpg
[15:03:38] <ssi> oh no on the DETT is's in a similar place
[15:04:15] <CaptHindsight> ssi: do any aircraft engines use timing belts?
[15:04:36] <CaptHindsight> modern aircraft engines
[15:05:44] <ssi> I dunno about "any"
[15:05:49] <ssi> but I doubt it
[15:06:02] <ssi> direct drive lycomings use gears to drive the cam
[15:07:02] <ssi> http://www.cujet.com/assets/images/DSC00699_resize.jpg
[15:07:21] <ssi> there's idler gears between them once assembled
[15:07:33] <ssi> http://www.attawayair.com/DSC01204.JPG
[15:07:34] <ssi> like that
[15:07:42] <ssi> and those gears also run the accessories
[15:07:54] <ssi> the lobe on that one runs the fuel pump
[15:08:05] <ssi> teh gears themselves run the magneto, vacuum pump, and prop governor drive pads
[15:08:09] <CaptHindsight> was wondering about that eccentric
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[15:24:03] <jthornton> ssi, http://pastebin.com/P7ADTHB9
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[15:24:52] <ssi> looking good
[15:26:37] <JT-Shop> kinda stuck on the sorting of the entities by end points so they form a continuous path
[15:26:51] <ssi> hm
[15:26:52] <JT-Shop> so if you have any suggestions I'm all eyes
[15:26:59] <cradek> that's a hard problem
[15:27:13] <ssi> sorting's not too hard itself, but sorting by a cartesian tuple is a tough problem
[15:27:24] <ssi> cause it's not deterministic
[15:27:32] <JT-Shop> that's not good news lol
[15:27:35] <ssi> if you have four segments that form a square, which one is "first"?
[15:27:57] <JT-Shop> well I figured I'd pick one then go from there
[15:28:13] <ssi> you could start with the first entity, and then find all other entities that start at the first one's end point
[15:28:18] <ssi> and then traverse it like a tree
[15:28:26] <cradek> JT-Shop: ideally you'd have dxf polylines, which makes it all easy, but it seems like most dxfs aren't made that way
[15:29:59] <JT-Shop> yea, even if you draw a square there seems to be no guarantee which line shows up first in the dxf
[15:30:22] <ssi> and there's no guarantee that the dxf will contain continuous paths
[15:30:56] <ssi> but you should be able to write an algorithm that can find all the continuous open and/or closed paths in the file
[15:30:59] <ssi> it'll take some work and some thinkin
[15:31:01] <JT-Shop> if it doesn't then no offset is needed, if it contains more than one path per layer that is an error
[15:31:15] <JT-Shop> IMHO
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[15:31:39] <ssi> as long as you can make assumptions about the input data based on how it's created, then you can come up with algoriths to deal with it
[15:33:43] <JT-Shop> one attempt I just took the first entity out of the slice and copied it to a new slice then found the start XY that matched the end XY and moved that one but it gave me an out of bounds error
[15:34:17] <ssi> might be working with the slice wrong
[15:34:25] <JT-Shop> if you uncomment //entities, err = sortEnt(entities) you can see the error
[15:34:37] <ssi> just a thought: maybe you can set up your data so that your entities are a map, where the key is a tuple of the XY coords
[15:34:41] <JT-Shop> that's what I'm thinking I went one too many times
[15:35:08] <ssi> and then you can start with one arbitrarily, and then find the next by looking up the end coords in the map
[15:35:09] <JT-Shop> that's a good idea, how do you make a tuple in go?
[15:35:15] <ssi> (x,y)
[15:35:24] <JT-Shop> ok
[15:35:36] <ssi> hm actually no
[15:35:40] <ssi> go doesn't do tuples that way
[15:35:43] <ssi> you'll need to make a struct for it
[15:36:12] <ssi> struct{float,float} would be the anonymous type if you want to do it without creating a type
[15:37:04] <ssi> I'm not 100% sure how it'll go trying to key a map on a struct{float,float} and then look up by it... I think it'll work but I would have to play with it a bit
[15:37:16] <JT-Shop> ok
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[15:39:54] <archivist> and dont use floats because your line ends wont meet
[15:40:06] <ssi> that's a fair point
[15:40:12] <ssi> but I dunno how they're represented in the dxf
[15:40:21] <JT-Shop> floats
[15:40:24] <archivist> ints in the olden days
[15:40:46] <ssi> fixed point is a good solution to that problem, but it doesn't do you any good if the dxf is already float
[15:40:51] <archivist> or broken floats, I did have to write a fixer for dxf
[15:40:55] <JT-Shop> how did they do an int with 1.235689?
[15:41:06] <ssi> JT-Shop: fixed point math
[15:41:26] <JT-Shop> python has that
[15:41:44] <ssi> imagine a two-byte number, where the first byte is the integral portion, and the second byte is the fractional portion in 1/256ths of a unit
[15:41:57] <archivist> sql has a decimal type that is nice
[15:41:57] <JT-Shop> right now they all match lol so if/when I get the sort going I'll work on a near func
[15:42:00] <ssi> so 0x0101 is 1 and 1/256
[15:42:10] <ssi> or 1.0039
[15:42:32] <ssi> yeah near is probably the sane way to handle it
[15:43:05] <archivist> .0039 barn door resolution
[15:43:22] <ssi> archivist: easy to add bits as necessary, that was just a round number example :)
[15:44:30] <JT-Shop> I could store the numbers as strings
[15:45:06] <ssi> JT-Shop: if they're all coming in the same, then they will all stay the same as a float
[15:45:16] <ssi> it's only when you start doing math on them that errors start to creep in
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[15:46:11] <JT-Shop> for the arcs I have to calculate the Cartesian coordinates from the polar coordinates
[15:46:17] <archivist> it is common to have a routine to fix up ends within a knows distance
[15:46:36] <ssi> ah then yes that'll cause you problems
[15:46:53] <ssi> you'll definitely want to run everything through a near filter to try to snap them together
[15:55:59] <JT-Shop> lol the enter payment amount on the cc bill has 6 digits... who would have a 100,000 credit limit?
[15:56:09] <ssi> lots of people probably
[15:56:17] <ssi> I've got cards with limits half that
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[16:25:33] <Wolf_> yay BE25A20 from ebay for $82
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[16:30:44] <ssi> nice
[16:30:49] <ssi> how many?
[16:30:57] <Wolf_> 1...
[16:31:02] <ssi> aw
[16:31:12] <Wolf_> no psu
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[16:32:11] <ssi> psu is easy
[16:32:21] <Wolf_> yeah it is
[16:32:25] <ssi> teh ones with psu included, it's just a bridge rectifier and some caps
[16:32:33] <ssi> I can get you specifics on the values if you want
[16:34:23] <Wolf_> I might take you up on that
[16:34:42] <ssi> zeeshan: should I get this silly car?
[16:34:44] <ssi> I'm really torn
[16:34:57] <Wolf_> did that BoM work?
[16:35:15] <ssi> yeah
[16:35:50] <Wolf_> cool
[16:36:26] <CaptHindsight> ssi: nah do something else more worthy of your time
[16:36:52] <ssi> I might could make some money on it
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[16:37:27] <CaptHindsight> heh I always say that with tempting car projects
[16:38:22] <archivist> I have a lack of cash stopping me from excess
[16:38:32] <CaptHindsight> when you factor your time in it generally is break even or loser, unless your time is of little value
[16:39:08] <ssi> CaptHindsight: if I pull the engine and rebuild it, having the crank turned, it'll be worth about $10k more than he's asking
[16:39:47] <archivist> knocking covers a multitude of sins
[16:40:31] <ssi> well worst case I can buy a jdm engine for probably $1000-1500
[16:41:27] <ssi> already found a VG30DE for $1044 and a VG30DETT for $1900
[16:41:36] <ssi> I could use a VG30DE cause I really only need the short block
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[16:43:24] <Wolf_> archivist: how many of the probe knuckles did you need?
[16:44:17] <archivist> one
[16:45:09] <archivist> have you had a play to see how many you could make ?
[16:45:44] <Wolf_> quick look I think two without need to fight with anything
[16:45:54] <Wolf_> same for the ph8
[16:46:06] <CaptHindsight> ssi: are these known working good pulls? http://www.jdmenginezone.com/engine-details/nissan/300zx-vg30dett-90_95.html
[16:46:36] <archivist> just need to find a tp2 for you
[16:46:50] <ssi> probably
[16:47:11] <ssi> there's tons of jdm engines around
[16:47:16] <ssi> I've bought two and swapped them in in the past
[16:47:21] <ssi> both mitsus, but I'm sure the nissans are the same
[16:47:36] <Wolf_> I was thinking about that mp9 but I have no idea how they work so kinda spendy to risk lol
[16:48:30] <CaptHindsight> I considered getting a few trailer loads of 4cyl euro diesels for swaps
[16:49:32] <CaptHindsight> but now that diesel is ~$2.50/gal it's not as interesting
[16:49:57] <ssi> now that the us government is murdering small diesels in america, it might start being interesting again
[16:50:43] <CaptHindsight> for older vehicle swaps <95'
[16:51:47] <anomynous> mm. one gallon of gas costs here about $6.7
[16:51:52] <archivist> Wolf_, that mp9 needs the same as my LT02 mount the interface and the optical rx/sender
[16:51:57] <anomynous> and you are complaining ;D
[16:53:00] <CaptHindsight> anomynous: the point is that the cost of diesel has dropped so much that people aren't as interested in investing money to save money on fuel
[16:53:55] <anomynous> then you should add 100% tax for it.
[16:54:06] <anomynous> on*
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[16:55:36] <anomynous> just kiddying. I borrowed a new book. Its called jigs and fixtures design manual :]]
[16:55:56] <archivist> Wolf_, one of the MI12 interfaces a few on ebay but all missing the optical LED holder that sees the probe
[16:56:32] <CaptHindsight> ssi: whenever I start a swap just to get it running again the budget is for new fluids and maybe a leaky gasket...
[16:57:01] <CaptHindsight> then while it's already out I might as well pull the valve covers
[16:57:10] <ssi> CaptHindsight: this car will make 800hp with fairly little effort, I don't mind taking the time and putting a little money into a good bottom end build
[16:57:32] <ssi> plus after ten years of working exclusively on aircraft engines, the costs involved with rebuilding a VG30 are so trivial they make me laugh
[16:57:35] <CaptHindsight> and replace the timing chain/belt, water pump etc
[16:57:41] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[16:58:00] <archivist> Wolf_, look for OMM renishaw on ebay absolutely silly prices
[16:58:04] <ssi> there's a pristine Z32TT on atlanta craigslist right now with 80k miles on it and a lot of go-fast parts for $27K
[16:58:15] <CaptHindsight> my $200 often much more since "it's already out and easy to reach now"
[16:58:17] <ssi> the market on them has always been high, and it's only gotten higher
[16:59:10] <CaptHindsight> it's new sensors that tend to get silly expensive
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[17:01:41] <CaptHindsight> Z32TT must be something made after 1973
[17:01:49] <archivist> Wolf_, because of the silly MI12 and OMM prices I was just going to take the mount off the LT02, make a new mount use the LP2 on it
[17:02:23] <Wolf_> yeah, I noticed the prices...
[17:02:32] <archivist> but then a whole machine became the right price
[17:03:16] <archivist> so my method now is scan fleabay waiting to pounce
[17:03:57] <archivist> missed a reference sphere the other day, was away from a pc
[17:04:16] <CaptHindsight> archivist: what did it sell for?
[17:05:00] <archivist> it failed to sell for £20, then went for £40 next time around
[17:05:08] <archivist> grrrrrrrrr
[17:05:30] <archivist> was a bit big for my machine at 32mm
[17:06:09] <Wolf_> well, that parts only MP9 is still on eBay, wonder if I could get it working and hax together a optical reader
[17:06:40] <Wolf_> guess at worst I could make it in to led edge finder lol
[17:06:45] <CaptHindsight> does anyone actually pay list (besides the guberment/military) for metrology references?
[17:07:09] <archivist> anyone who wants to be traceable
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[17:08:30] <archivist> but I have reasonable micrometers so can measure a stylus and use it as a reference sphere
[17:08:51] <archivist> redneck reference :)
[17:08:59] <Wolf_> heh
[17:09:54] <archivist> Wolf_, as in this vid
[17:09:56] <archivist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XIscw-ciEg&feature=youtu.be
[17:10:28] <Wolf_> lol that is a probe tip isn’t it
[17:10:43] <archivist> yup
[17:11:05] <archivist> I made a vertical mount for it to fit the plate
[17:11:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.zoro.com/starrett-granite-cube-pink-6-face-aa-6x6x6-81984/i/G7110817 $3,124.80 /ea
[17:11:17] <Wolf_> I just want the probe for work piece setup
[17:11:18] <archivist> and its red
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[17:27:13] <JT-Shop> salesmen are nuts... I quoted a machine that uses LinuxCNC and he adds this to his cover letter "The software is linkable and capable of output, therefore, it can be modified and analyzed from a remote location"
[17:27:23] <JT-Shop> I don't even know what he said!
[17:27:40] <archivist> Wolf_, there is one difference between mp9 and the lt02 although they both can use Mi 12 and OMM, is that the LTo2 needs arming/switching on via the MI 12
[17:28:39] <archivist> JT-Shop, kill him before he infects anybody
[17:28:53] <Wolf_> yeah, doing some RTFM of the MP9, seems it needs to spin to turn on
[17:29:15] <JT-Shop> I'd like to cause he sent the cover letter to the customer with my quote then copied me on it...
[17:29:59] <JT-Shop> worse yet I have some white mold growing on the potting soil of my new plants
[17:34:40] <pcw_home> we had some of these come up in a Ficus Benjamina
[17:34:41] <pcw_home> http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/feb2002.html
[17:38:23] <pcw_home> potting soil often has bark or wood chips that will cause a mold/fungi bloom when watered
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[17:52:59] <ssi> pcw_home: is it feasible to have a smartserial remote that is an encoder counter?
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[17:53:25] <pcw_home> there are some already (MPG inputs)
[17:54:22] <ssi> pcw_home: I'm messing around with the stmbl servo drive, which has hardware to be a sserial remote, and I want to first set it up to accept its command over sserial,
[17:54:49] <ssi> pcw_home: it already needs the encoder brought to the drive for rotor angle, and so I'm hoping I can make it report the encoder position back via sserial to avoid having to split the encoder wiring
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[18:07:22] <pcw_home> I think its possible though sserial read data is currently on servo cycle late
[18:07:24] <pcw_home> (this may not be terribly importent with a velocity mode drive and can be changed with a minor driver mode change)
[18:07:32] <pcw_home> one servo cycle
[18:07:55] <ssi> I wonder if I'd be better off counting the encoder in mesa for position feedback, and providing the angle to the drive via sserial
[18:09:18] <pcw_home> maybe, but if the drive can do local, high quality velocity feedback its hard to say
[18:09:43] <ssi> I'm really enamored with the idea of having all motor cabling going to the drive, and wiring back from the drive being limited to power and sserial
[18:10:27] <ssi> is sserial write data undelayed?
[18:10:45] <pcw_home> one other thing that would be needed is encoder index support added to sserial (probably a new data type)
[18:10:52] <ssi> as long as I can provid the velocity command via sserial, that's a good start
[18:10:59] <ssi> the drive doesn't support analog command
[18:11:08] <pcw_home> yes write data is direct
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[18:11:32] <ssi> I figured that ought to work, since you have a sserial remote that's multiple 10v analog command signals
[18:11:35] <ssi> 7i83 I think?
[18:12:37] <ssi> hm if I end up revising these servo drives, maybe I'll add a set of buffers for the encoder signal, and an output connector
[18:12:43] <ssi> so the drive can pass the encoder signals through full strength
[18:14:33] <pcw_home> Yeah 7I83 and 7I77 only have about 40 usec delay from register write to analog output update
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[18:14:42] <ssi> I'm not sure what would be the consequence of having my position feedback being delayed by a cycle
[18:14:45] <ssi> would it act like backlash?
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[18:15:52] <pcw_home> for a velocity mode drive it means you would have to adjust FF2 to compensate (and your position loop bandwidth is reduced)
[18:16:22] <pcw_home> running at 2 or 4 KHz would fix most issues
[18:16:32] <ssi> that wouldn't be a dealbreaker
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[18:28:33] <MrSunshine> https://youtu.be/rrxwv-FxYRM?t=105 heh ..that milling machine makes him look like a dwarf =)
[18:34:50] <ssi> lol
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[18:41:51] <aventtini6> hello guys!!1
[18:41:57] <ssi> hi!
[18:42:02] <aventtini6> how are you ?
[18:42:12] <ssi> hungry
[18:42:16] <aventtini6> me to
[18:42:21] <aventtini6> 12 h of milling
[18:42:23] <aventtini6> :)))
[18:42:26] <ssi> :)
[18:42:53] <aventtini6> i got the maho schematics today and i will scan them and post them online
[18:43:04] <aventtini6> on indramat motors
[18:43:42] <aventtini6> i was wanted to ask the guys about machines with absolut position and no limits or refs
[18:44:02] <aventtini6> on mitubishi melds 300
[18:44:28] <MrSunshine> finaly got the vacuum plentum cut out and first layer of glue added to it .. tomorrow some more glue to seal it up and then to flatten the whole table =)
[18:44:34] <aventtini6> i did not make a machine with absolut position , and i want to test . I so some info on forum but little
[18:44:38] <MrSunshine> then the experimenting begins ..
[18:45:01] <aventtini6> :) yeap
[18:45:23] <aventtini6> i dont like machines whit no liniar scales
[18:45:32] <aventtini6> but i will give it a triy
[18:45:34] <aventtini6> try
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[18:50:54] <Sync> aventtini6: the only bad thing is that you have to map the lead error
[18:50:58] <Sync> but that's about it
[18:52:39] <Sync> ssi: in theory you should be able to juist throw a position at the drive via SS and be done with it
[18:53:55] <ssi> Sync: hm I hadn't even considered running them as position mode drives
[18:54:17] <ssi> I sorta hate step/dir position mode drives, but this'd be absolute position mode, might not be terrible
[18:54:21] <ssi> the drive could even report the ferror back
[18:55:17] <aventtini6> drives are 10v
[18:55:22] <aventtini6> machine is 93
[18:55:28] <Sync> yup ssi
[18:55:33] <Sync> that's the plan anyways
[18:56:23] <aventtini6> i was thinking i need to make a absolut position and then work whit g54
[18:56:28] <ssi> how would homing work in that case?
[18:56:43] <Sync> that's an intersting question
[18:56:50] <aventtini6> that menas no homing
[18:56:59] <ssi> I'm used to systems where the position feedback is separate from the drive
[18:57:05] <ssi> aventtini6: we're talking about a different system
[18:57:26] <aventtini6> aaa yes sorry
[18:57:28] <Sync> either by connecting the scales to the drive also
[18:57:44] <ssi> well all I have is motor encoders
[18:57:45] <aventtini6> but if its a absolut it has the encoders on the drives
[18:57:51] <ssi> and they're incremental
[18:57:53] <aventtini6> so it has no homing
[18:57:56] <Sync> yeah
[18:58:16] <Sync> well, there is the possiblility to run into the endstop
[18:58:29] <Sync> and then go backwards
[18:58:35] <aventtini6> i need to make a travel from table and say that is machine 0
[18:58:50] <aventtini6> it has no limits
[18:59:09] <aventtini6> no hard limits or ref limits
[18:59:22] <Sync> and then you know the relative movement after the endstop closed
[18:59:27] <Sync> then you tell the drive that
[18:59:30] <Sync> and it is absolute
[19:00:09] <ssi> I'm sure we can figure something out one way or another
[19:00:14] <aventtini6> you mean that i need to reset the encoder to 0
[19:00:15] <aventtini6> ?
[19:00:21] <aventtini6> from drive ?
[19:00:25] <Sync> aventtini6: I'm not talking with you
[19:00:32] <aventtini6> :))))
[19:00:35] <aventtini6> good
[19:00:41] <aventtini6> that was funny
[19:00:59] <Sync> but something along that line would work ssi
[19:01:14] <Sync> or you connect the endstop/index/whatever also to the drive
[19:01:32] <ssi> hm
[19:02:13] <Sync> shouldn't be too much of a problem
[19:02:33] <ssi> I hope my pcbs come sooon!
[19:02:36] <ssi> I need to start ordering parts
[19:02:50] <ssi> if I don't get some motion on that vmc soon zeeshan is going to mock me mercilessly
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[19:10:35] <ssi> http://tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
[19:10:36] <ssi> hahahahah
[19:11:04] <goutnet> Hello everybody, I am quite new to linuxcnc (only at the beginning of the doc so far), I have a newbee question to start with: I have a new parport controlled milling machine, and I want to acertain that I can use it under linuxcnc, what doc/link would you guys recommend me to start with given the fact that my goal for now is simply to move along the 3 axis (actually 4 if possible)?
[19:11:34] <ssi> goutnet: there are example configs for parport stepper machines, it's a pretty straightforward setup
[19:11:57] <ssi> the only issue you might run into is parport is pretty limited on IO, but if you already have the IO you need, it should be an easy conversion
[19:12:49] <goutnet> thanks ssi :)
[19:13:14] <goutnet> the point is that the machine did not come with much wiring info I am affraid, is the parport interface supposed to be somewhat standard?
[19:13:28] <ssi> no, but it shouldn't be terribly difficult to reverse engineer
[19:14:25] <goutnet> hum, so basically, I will have to open the control card and check…
[19:14:40] <goutnet> any link to that? or shall I really read the complete doc before I get started?
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[19:14:52] <ssi> I don't have any good links right offhand for you
[19:15:04] <ssi> the more you can read the better; there's a lot to digest
[19:15:22] <ssi> this is probably a good start
[19:15:22] <ssi> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/pdf/LinuxCNC_Integrator_Manual.pdf
[19:15:45] <goutnet> ok, another simple question, I run linux 3.19.0 amd64 (standard) from ubuntu, do I absolutely need to upgrade to a RT patched kernel, or can I start with this kernel for a test?
[19:16:02] <ssi> RT is pretty important
[19:16:15] <ssi> honestly I think you're best off using a dedicated machine, and starting with the livecd
[19:16:49] <goutnet> I mean, will it simply not work? or will it mess up at some point (that means, ok for a start test, then move to RT when I get the basic connection done)
[19:17:10] <ssi> I can't answer that question definitively
[19:17:15] <goutnet> yeah I can imagine, but I don't have the luxury to have a second machine there, and this machine is also used to do a lot of stuff :/
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[19:18:37] <MattyMatt> electrically they are standard. you can use a standard cable
[19:18:53] <ssi> parallel ports are, yes,
[19:19:03] <ssi> but the pinout of what pins are used for what in terms of the machine are not standard
[19:19:04] <MattyMatt> but yeah opening it up and tracing the pins to the drivers might be the easiest way to get the pinout
[19:20:06] <MattyMatt> goutnet, do you have a pic of the controller? someone might recognise it
[19:20:28] <goutnet> not yet, but I can have
[19:20:37] <goutnet> I bought the machine on eBay I can give you the link :/
[19:21:05] <goutnet> http://www.ebay.fr/itm/301568817741?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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[19:21:44] <goutnet> also, in the (obviously translated from Chinese) documentation, it says it should work right off the box on Mach3 with a "Xilifeng-Mach3-USB-Motion-Card" config…
[19:21:54] <goutnet> (the dll seems to be provided on the CD)
[19:22:02] <goutnet> does it ring a bell?
[19:22:23] <ssi> those machines are pretty common
[19:22:30] <ssi> I'm sure someone in here has worked with one
[19:22:37] <ssi> and I bet there's enough documentation with the machine to get you started
[19:24:24] <goutnet> well, I've never used Mach3 and the doc only gives small info of the config dialogs of Mach3 …
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[19:26:55] <goutnet> ssi: do you have any idea of a keyword I could use to search info on that machine with linuxcnc?
[19:27:09] <ssi> 3040 router linuxcnc
[19:27:58] <MattyMatt> they've come with lots of controllers over the years. I'm looking through YT vids for the same one
[19:28:12] <MattyMatt> google image search will be quicker
[19:28:27] * goutnet feels silly (it actually was simply in the doc :D)
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[19:29:28] <goutnet> I am checking with that keyword set, if you find anything interesting, I'd appreciate :)
[19:33:48] <MattyMatt> http://g02.s.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1_mNEIXXXXXb9XXXXq6xXFXXXN/4-Axis-CNC-Router-3040-Soft-Metal.jpg
[19:34:00] <MattyMatt> I found this one, which is interesting to me :)
[19:35:15] <MattyMatt> room to stuff the PC in that one
[19:36:48] <MattyMatt> meh open yours up. One thing I do know about chinese controllers is that don't always match their own docs, and can be somewhat randomly wired
[19:37:11] <MattyMatt> I'd want to know what's inside before I apply power
[19:37:59] <goutnet> well, mine is waaaaaay simplier
[19:38:27] <goutnet> only a parport in, a centronics out (directly connected to the motors), and that's it
[19:39:01] <goutnet> (oh, yeah, a switch and an emergency stop too)
[19:40:12] <goutnet> anyway, I am gonna open mine and see, but I guess I have to first read *a lot* of linuxcnc first
[19:50:23] <ssi> Sync: my german is gonna have to get a lot better if I'm working on this project :)
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[20:20:01] <Sync> why ssi?
[20:20:09] <Sync> ah I see
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[20:41:48] <goutnet> ssi: well after more reading on the link you sent, it seems that having linuxcnc on my main computer is gonna be pretty hard, I am now looking to a different alternative, maybe having linuxcnc running on a Raspberry Pi :/
[20:42:25] <XXCoder> goutnet: once CHiP goes out its nice pc in size of credit card
[20:42:39] <XXCoder> depends on how long you wanna wait as it will be a bit
[20:44:18] <goutnet> well, never heard of it, but not sure it could be out soon enough …… and have a parport on it as well given the size…
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[20:48:43] <ssi> goutnet: don't plan on using an rpi
[20:48:49] <ssi> just get a cheap computer to run it
[20:49:06] <PetefromTn_> :D
[20:50:24] <XXCoder> "Complementing the 1Ghz processor are 512 MB of RAM and 4 GB of flash storage, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivity, standard and micro USB ports, and a composite AV jack that can output video and audio to many TVs. "
[20:50:28] <XXCoder> CHiP stats
[20:50:36] <XXCoder> not too fancy but tiny
[20:50:48] <fenn> irrelevant for cnc
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[20:51:10] <goutnet> well, very much missing this parport interface :/
[20:51:49] <XXCoder> goutnet: I'm using my 9 years old pc for linuxcnc
[20:51:57] <goutnet> :)
[20:52:00] <XXCoder> its plenty powerful for it
[20:52:15] <Jymmm> XXCoder: But you're only 10yo
[20:52:24] <XXCoder> may need to buy parallel port, as my pc do have pinout its impossible to use lol
[20:52:38] <XXCoder> Jymmm: 10 years old? nah I'm 10 months old
[20:52:44] <goutnet> well, I have no such computer anymore, I guess I'll have to find the cheapest computer I can (and smallest too)
[20:52:56] <XXCoder> goutnet: look for pc recycle center
[20:53:01] <XXCoder> they usually sell old ones cheap
[20:54:18] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271840051741
[20:54:57] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-6000-Pro-SFF-IC2DuoE8500-3-16Ghz-4GB-Ram-DVD-Drive-NO-HardDrive-/271884508109?hash=item3f4d945bcd
[20:54:57] <goutnet> nice
[20:55:03] <goutnet> but not shipping to France :)
[20:55:09] <XXCoder> goutnet: buy a 8 or 16 gb ssd on amazon
[20:55:13] <goutnet> anyway got the idea :D
[20:55:14] <XXCoder> very cheap
[20:55:22] <Jymmm> XXCoder: link?
[20:55:24] <XXCoder> not too fast but thats not needed
[20:55:27] <XXCoder> Jymmm: a sec
[20:56:12] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ZZA4MW2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00
[20:56:36] <XXCoder> it looks ricious in my linuxcnc pc case lol its 1/8 old hd space, uses only one bolt
[20:56:56] <XXCoder> but its much lighter
[20:57:06] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Cool, thanks. Might be nice for my netbook
[20:57:12] <XXCoder> np
[20:57:31] <fenn> do people usually try to put the motor drives and power supply inside the PC case?
[20:57:36] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Heh, looks like a CF card =)
[20:57:43] <XXCoder> once my cnc gets to final design after upgrades I may gut the old case hard drives section and replace em
[20:57:57] <Jymmm> fenn: Soem do, depending
[20:58:00] <XXCoder> if I recall the motherboard is mounted on removable section
[20:58:06] <XXCoder> if so I can do even more
[20:58:16] <XXCoder> build a nice controller box
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[20:59:45] <XXCoder> theres 8 gb ones Jymmm but only few bucks less. I'd rather pay 2 or 3 bucks more for double space
[20:59:46] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:01:31] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://www.amazon.com/KingSpec-SATA2-Solid-Laptop-Sealed/dp/B00M77HUF2/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1444683611&sr=1-5&refinements=p_36%3A1253503011%2Cp_n_feature_three_browse-bin%3A6797516011
[21:01:49] <XXCoder> thats new
[21:02:05] <XXCoder> meh dont need all that much space on linuxcnc pc lol
[21:02:25] <Jymmm> 32gb for $14
[21:02:41] <XXCoder> 14??
[21:02:48] <XXCoder> here it shows as 24 bucks
[21:02:53] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00S7Y2PWC/ref=dp_olp_0?ie=UTF8&condition=all&qid=1444683611&sr=1-10
[21:03:11] <XXCoder> oh offers
[21:03:24] <XXCoder> shipping cancels much of savings
[21:03:44] <Jymmm> yeah
[21:04:01] <XXCoder> still, 5 bucks isnt too bad
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[21:22:05] <goutnet> I am just thinking out loud here, but what would happen if I ran linuxcnc into a virtual machine? after all, that might actually work right?
[21:22:06] <ssi> I need lawyer friends :(
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[21:22:37] <DaViruz> https://youtu.be/NqyFETEJuxc?t=289
[21:22:38] <DaViruz> whoa.
[21:22:55] <ssi> holy cow
[21:22:56] <DaViruz> i wonder if the control room moves up with z
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[21:26:51] <malcom2073> goutnet: You can do that, you can run simulation without realtime that way
[21:27:22] <goutnet> well, I was thinking on actually milling stuff (simple stuff) at least to run a test
[21:27:24] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, i bet even with free shipping i get that tomorrow... it's only ~150mi away
[21:27:30] <malcom2073> goutnet: No.
[21:27:50] <malcom2073> Simple vs complicated makes little difference on the requirements of the control system :P
[21:28:27] <DaViruz> i'm not sure how you would even get the signals out to the hardware
[21:28:33] <DaViruz> atrocious latency aside
[21:29:06] <malcom2073> Virtualbox at least allows you to pipe hardware through to a VM, don't know about par ports though heh
[21:29:31] <goutnet> well for the latency I agree, but if it is only to make a test (move the tool and check that it actually works fine) …
[21:29:53] <malcom2073> "Having it work aside, I only want to make a test to see if it works" :P
[21:29:54] <goutnet> but I agree having a separate computer is probably the best way to go (at least the simpliest)
[21:30:28] <goutnet> well, basically controlling steppers and make sure that the board is controllable from linuxcnc, that's is what I mean
[21:30:41] <goutnet> latency and the rest is not really a concern at this point
[21:31:22] <malcom2073> Even if you could pipe the hardware through, I'm not sure linuxcnc would allow that, give it a shot though, tbh getting a cheap PC is often easier
[21:32:16] <goutnet> true, but not faster :)
[21:32:22] <goutnet> I can install a vm overnight
[21:32:34] <goutnet> I can't get the computer bought and installed in that timeframe
[21:33:23] <malcom2073> True, like I said, give it a shot, but don't expect it to work at all :P
[21:33:31] <goutnet> :)
[21:33:52] * goutnet is downloading the last image, to start a vm :)
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[21:36:40] <DaViruz> if jitter is way too bad steppers might not really step at all
[21:36:58] <DaViruz> due to crappy acceleration ramping and such
[21:37:48] <goutnet> hum, is there a pre-built 2.7 dvd image? the last I can find seems to be 2.6 O_o ?
[21:38:15] <malcom2073> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html
[21:38:40] <goutnet> ok found it :)
[21:40:17] <Wolf_> why go backwards?
[21:42:08] <Wolf_> oh.. reading fail lol
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[21:47:34] <Jymmm> Ayone recognise this? http://images.craigslist.org/00j0j_8yGAKtCw7AB_600x450.jpg
[21:48:13] <malcom2073> That's cute
[21:48:22] <Jymmm> ?
[21:49:10] <fenn> it's a lathe
[21:49:13] <Jymmm> make/model/ good/crap?
[21:49:16] <malcom2073> Yep, on craigslist apparently
[21:49:19] <malcom2073> where's the page you got the image from?
[21:49:37] <Jymmm> malcom2073: why?
[21:49:58] <fenn> malcolm wants to poach your lathe from 10 states away
[21:50:02] <malcom2073> +1 fenn
[21:50:05] <Jymmm> fenn: I bet
[21:50:11] <Jymmm> malcom2073: (biotch)
[21:50:52] <malcom2073> If the seller doesn't list make/model, you can probably get it super cheap
[21:51:07] <Jymmm> So, back to the original question... anyone recognise this? make/model? good/crap?
[21:51:17] <malcom2073> I'd say ask the only person who knows :P
[21:51:35] <Jymmm> malcom2073: so that means you dont have a clue, gotcha.
[21:51:38] <fenn> the center height is really tall for the size of the bed (skinny bed)
[21:51:47] <malcom2073> Jymmm: I would've told you right off if I did.
[21:51:56] <fenn> maybe shoptask?
[21:52:45] <PetefromTn_> that is not a shoptask
[21:53:00] <PetefromTn_> it appears to be one of the Harbor Freight versions of a 3 in 1 machine
[21:53:24] <PetefromTn_> appears someone removed the millhead
[21:53:43] <_methods> looks like this
[21:53:45] <_methods> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-Precision-and-low-price-instrument_60202166757.html
[21:54:28] <_methods> i just googled chinese lathe with silly high tailstock
[21:54:35] <_methods> lol
[21:54:41] <malcom2073> Lol
[21:55:55] <Jymmm> why is a high tailstock silly?
[21:56:10] <malcom2073> silly as in abnorml
[21:56:12] <malcom2073> abnormal*
[21:56:36] <_methods> well the further it is from the ways the greater the moment is
[21:56:44] <PetefromTn_> http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_lathe/versions/Versions_3in1.htm
[21:56:50] <_methods> less force cause it to deflect
[21:57:02] <PetefromTn_> true
[21:57:22] <PetefromTn_> but while the milling part of these machines kinda sucks the lathe part is halfway decent for what it is
[21:57:36] <_methods> im assuming the just made it high so they could put some bs swing on there for selling purposes
[21:57:41] <Jymmm> thanks
[21:57:49] <PetefromTn_> pretty much
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[21:58:05] <PetefromTn_> my shoptask was a 17-20
[21:58:30] <PetefromTn_> but you sure as hell are not gonna be hogging any material out at that edge LOL
[21:58:38] <fenn> jymmm http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/370x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_1469.jpg
[21:58:49] <_methods> yeah that 3in1 looks like it for sure
[21:59:14] <fenn> oh pete beat me
[22:00:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah thats almost certainly what it is.
[22:01:38] <Wolf_> looks like its bolted to two of them really cheap contractors table saw bases too
[22:01:39] <Jymmm> with no drillpress
[22:01:57] <fenn> they probbaly have the head laying around somewhere
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[22:02:53] <PetefromTn_> unlike my shoptask which had an adjustable head height these machines have a fixed head and limited quill stroke so they can be kinda difficult to use for milling and drilling
[22:03:22] <Jymmm> ah
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[22:08:24] <Jymmm> Hmmm, what could this be used/repurposed for? http://images.craigslist.org/00A0A_ebibLr75chm_600x450.jpg
[22:08:49] <fenn> looks like part of an engine crane
[22:09:01] <Jymmm> cherry picker
[22:10:04] <PetefromTn_> you could build one of the gottrikes tube benders with that...
[22:10:27] <fenn> a heavy duty computer monitor stand
[22:10:39] <Jymmm> fenn: with lift =)
[22:10:53] <Jymmm> what is that, about an 18" stroke?
[22:11:19] <Jymmm> If it was electric, I'd have a perfect use for it
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[22:12:08] <Jymmm> OH, I KNOW.... door frame resizer.... one size fits all =)
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[22:52:52] <MacGalempsy> good afternoon
[22:53:49] <MattyMatt> Jymmm, a barfeeder?
[22:54:31] <PetefromTn_> afternoon
[22:55:02] <Wolf_> air cylinder would work worlds better for a barfeed then that 1/4” per stroke ram
[22:55:04] <MattyMatt> although I've seen one which is like a pair of fingers that goes in a tool spot, which simply pulls the bar in with the carriage
[22:55:17] <MattyMatt> that looked clever
[22:57:26] <malcom2073> I saw one that used the cutoff tool to cut halfway, then stop to pull the bar out, then finishes parting off
[22:58:31] <Sync> oh god, proper servo valves are spendy
[22:58:58] <Wolf_> hydraulic type?
[22:59:02] <Sync> yep
[22:59:14] <Wolf_> yeah, spendy...
[22:59:49] <MattyMatt> http://www.royalproducts.com/product.cfm?catID=4&id=26 combined bar puller and cutoff
[22:59:49] <Sync> and regular prop valves make my system oscilate
[23:00:17] <Wolf_> I need new solenoid coils for one of my valves, $400each “local” $200 each from germany with 4 month lead time
[23:00:35] <MattyMatt> rweindable?
[23:00:39] <Tom_itx> you got more time or more money?
[23:00:44] <Wolf_> potted and sealed
[23:01:18] <Wolf_> steel cased with the damn valve driver build in
[23:02:04] <Sync> but I just bought some moog servo valves with lvdt feedback
[23:02:54] <Sync> that should stop my problems
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[23:54:44] <MacGalempsy> can someone tell me the purpose of the dwell at the bottom of a bore on G82?
[23:54:53] <MacGalempsy> is it just cleanup?
[23:56:10] <PetefromTn_> I think you could use it for a borning operation probably
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[23:57:26] <MacGalempsy> G82 is a boring op, but just curious why the dwell
[23:57:31] <Wolf_> drilling stuff that has give?
[23:57:42] <MacGalempsy> ok
[23:58:05] <PetefromTn_> its a drilling cycle actually no?
[23:58:39] <PetefromTn_> http://www.helmancnc.com/fanuc-g82-drilling-cycle/
[23:58:48] <MacGalempsy> spot drill/ counter bore
[23:59:31] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: thats a good site. thanks
[23:59:56] <MacGalempsy> (working on homework programming)