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[00:14:20] <zeeshan> sorry was showering
[00:14:26] <zeeshan> was filthy :P
[00:14:38] <Tom_itx> phew
[00:14:43] <zeeshan> x and z servo are same size
[00:14:49] <zeeshan> andypugh: yes
[00:14:50] <XXCoder> zeeshan: I could smell you but I was too nice
[00:14:52] <zeeshan> and notice the brake disc
[00:14:54] <XXCoder> to say it
[00:15:03] <zeeshan> its got a hydraulic brake on it
[00:15:16] <zeeshan> the one thing im not sure what this is
[00:15:16] <Sync> yeah why not
[00:15:19] <zeeshan> and ive never seen this before..
[00:15:25] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7FTPMhJ.jpg
[00:15:27] <zeeshan> in this pic
[00:15:29] <zeeshan> look @ the very right
[00:15:33] <zeeshan> there is this finned silver thing
[00:15:40] <zeeshan> i think its a rotary union
[00:15:51] <zeeshan> a really big one
[00:16:03] <zeeshan> that maybe is responsible for opening the chuck ?
[00:16:12] <andypugh> Sounds likely
[00:16:24] <Sync> probably
[00:16:35] <zeeshan> i dunno if you guys see the casting
[00:16:38] <zeeshan> it is frigging ridiculus
[00:16:40] <zeeshan> when i saw it
[00:16:43] <zeeshan> it put a smile on my face
[00:16:52] <zeeshan> im not running any of those stupid back covers anymore
[00:16:54] <Connor> zeeshan: Where do you have this machine at ?
[00:16:54] <andypugh> It might be rigid enough
[00:16:58] <Sync> yeah it is massive
[00:17:05] <zeeshan> they are BEEFY!!!
[00:17:15] <Tom_itx> save the tin and cut it down to size
[00:17:17] <andypugh> I thought my little lathe was over-engineered, but you win
[00:17:20] <zeeshan> connor its in a storage place
[00:17:28] <zeeshan> they deliver prolly monday or tuesday
[00:17:31] <andypugh> But then mine is only a 10” 2.2kW toy :-)
[00:18:04] <Connor> I don't want, or need anything that big.
[00:18:34] <andypugh> I certainly don’t _need_ anything that big. I can’t say the same of “:want|
[00:18:44] <zeeshan> i dont need it either
[00:18:48] <zeeshan> actually i do :P
[00:18:53] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, what's all the hoses? hydraulics?
[00:18:53] <zeeshan> it's efverything i wanted
[00:18:54] <Connor> I have no place for it either.
[00:18:59] <zeeshan> except the fact it has no sub spindle
[00:19:33] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yes
[00:19:34] <Tom_itx> one about half that size would be grand for me
[00:19:36] <zeeshan> a lot of hdyraulics
[00:19:53] <zeeshan> fuck you tormach slant bed pos
[00:19:55] <zeeshan> this is a real lathe!!
[00:20:06] <andypugh> It seems to have a lot of hydraulics. I gess that the drawbar / chuck actuator is hydraulic, it just looks hydraulic rather than pneumatic somehow.
[00:20:13] <zeeshan> a real lathe should take out all the power out of your neighbourhood
[00:20:20] <zeeshan> andypugh: yes a lot of hyd
[00:20:38] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, when you power it up see if the neighbor's lights dim
[00:20:39] <zeeshan> so far ive noticed the brake caliper is hyd, chuck acutator , tail stock, are all hd
[00:20:42] <zeeshan> hyd
[00:20:44] <andypugh> I actually like the look of the Tormach slantbed.
[00:20:52] <zeeshan> also the tool changer is hd
[00:20:53] <zeeshan> hyd
[00:20:58] <zeeshan> (to unlock it)
[00:21:12] <zeeshan> andypugh: 60 ipm is no lathe :P
[00:21:17] <andypugh> The only problem with hydrauilcs is the noise.
[00:21:30] <zeeshan> it doesnt bother me on the mikron
[00:21:37] <zeeshan> it has a 1.5hp motor
[00:21:38] <zeeshan> this thing has a 2hp
[00:21:44] <Tom_itx> earbuds fix that
[00:21:54] <zeeshan> im a really happy person today
[00:21:57] <zeeshan> now i can see this fitting the garage
[00:22:13] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, is it the day after christmas and you got your wish list?
[00:22:24] <zeeshan> nah man
[00:22:27] <zeeshan> i need this for side business
[00:22:36] <zeeshan> ive been getting a lot of lathe orders that ive been rejecting
[00:22:42] <andypugh> Fitting in the garage is one thing, can you stand far enough away to focus on the screen?
[00:22:54] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, you use mastercam for lathe as well?
[00:22:58] <zeeshan> yes
[00:23:21] <zeeshan> i was looking at the transmission pulley belts to spindle pulley
[00:23:22] <zeeshan> 10 belts
[00:23:29] <zeeshan> these guys went super overkill on them
[00:23:32] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't plan on moving it around in your garage
[00:23:50] <zeeshan> i was doing some rough calculations, it'd take around 50hp to slip those v-belts
[00:23:57] <andypugh> Be careful with the belts. I think you need to buy a set of 10, rather than 10 belts.
[00:23:58] <zeeshan> @ 3500 rpm
[00:24:10] <Tom_itx> ^^ yeah what andy szid
[00:24:12] <Tom_itx> said
[00:24:25] <zeeshan> they look in good condition
[00:24:28] <zeeshan> not going to be replacing em
[00:24:32] <zeeshan> no cracks or anything that i could see
[00:24:42] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: why cant i move it in the garage
[00:24:43] <andypugh> OK, we just hadn’t seen any
[00:24:54] <Tom_itx> you gonna use a cherry picker?
[00:25:02] <zeeshan> thats what i used to unload all the cabinets
[00:25:06] <zeeshan> and trans and motor etc
[00:25:10] <zeeshan> they're really heavy
[00:25:18] <Tom_itx> not like the frame
[00:25:23] <zeeshan> no
[00:25:26] <zeeshan> that'll be on machine skates
[00:25:31] <zeeshan> and a long ass bar to lever it into place
[00:25:45] <zeeshan> if the 6000lb machine was easy to move
[00:25:48] <zeeshan> this should be okay too
[00:25:52] <zeeshan> only thing is the base is wider
[00:25:56] <zeeshan> so that'll make it challenging a bit
[00:25:58] <andypugh> Apparently non-matched belts in multi-belt arrangments “fight” each other and cause vibration and finish problems.
[00:26:14] <Tom_itx> better leave rear access in case you gotta replace a hydraulic hose
[00:26:21] <zeeshan> im replacing them all
[00:26:24] <zeeshan> not taking changes
[00:26:27] <zeeshan> they got these STUPID ASS
[00:26:39] <zeeshan> non swivel npt or japanese pipe thread fittings onthere
[00:26:43] <zeeshan> absolutely retarded
[00:26:46] <andypugh> I would price them up before deciding to replace them all....
[00:26:48] <zeeshan> and 3 of the hoses look crushed
[00:26:56] <zeeshan> prolly 500-600 bux
[00:27:02] <zeeshan> same shit as cars
[00:27:04] <zeeshan> ss teflon
[00:27:11] <zeeshan> its only 500psi
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[00:27:49] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: if i have it about 10" away from the wall
[00:27:53] <zeeshan> i can still access all the wires back there
[00:27:56] <zeeshan> and hydraulics
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[00:28:14] <andypugh> What do you mean by “non swivel” ? Surely they must be rotatable or assembly would be impossible?
[00:28:14] <zeeshan> the thing is i can't keep any of the original cabinets back there
[00:28:27] <zeeshan> andypugh: dude these guys twisted the hose
[00:28:33] <zeeshan> prior to assembling..
[00:28:53] <zeeshan> its non swivel on both ends
[00:28:54] <Wolf_> I happen to have a parker crimper zeeshan
[00:29:05] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: no need for crimp
[00:29:14] <zeeshan> reusable -8 ss ptfe fittings:
[00:29:19] <andypugh> The rest of the machine is excellent. Consider the possibility they knew wht they were doing..,,
[00:29:23] <Wolf_> ahh :)
[00:29:39] <zeeshan> http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/aer-fbm1103/overview/
[00:29:39] <Wolf_> not use to that low pressure stuff
[00:29:50] <Wolf_> everything I have is 3000psi or more
[00:29:52] <zeeshan> these can handle 1500psi last time i checkedtheir catalog
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[00:29:57] <zeeshan> for -8
[00:30:12] <zeeshan> andypugh: two things i found weird
[00:30:19] <zeeshan> the extra waste of space byu making an over sized cover
[00:30:21] <zeeshan> and these hoses
[00:30:25] <andypugh> The last hoses I bought were 2000 bar.
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[00:30:48] <zeeshan> im gonna give it a nice cleaning
[00:30:52] <zeeshan> it needs one
[00:31:06] <andypugh> Looking to upgrade to 3000 bar now, for the rig.
[00:31:18] <zeeshan> what rig
[00:31:25] <andypugh> Fule injection
[00:31:29] <andypugh> (Fuel)
[00:32:12] <andypugh> But the highest I have seen was a machine they had in a lab I worked in that went to (I thing) 27 kbar
[00:32:39] <andypugh> It was meant to be able to crush steel samples in compression with hydraulic pressure.
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[00:33:01] <andypugh> (Full triaxial rig)
[00:33:08] <fenn> woah
[00:33:29] <fenn> what was it made out of?
[00:34:20] <andypugh> zeeshan: Ah, I forgot, you will get this, it could do any arbitrary stress state with a combination of tension/compression torsion and differential internal/external pressure on a tubular specimen.
[00:34:46] <Sync> oh
[00:34:48] <Sync> that's neat
[00:35:05] <andypugh> fenn: There were not any flexible pipes, just steel pipes about 1” diameter with tiny holes in the middle.
[00:36:54] <zeeshan> andypugh: sounds like lode's experiment :P
[00:37:01] <zeeshan> bet souped up
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[00:37:13] <zeeshan> *but
[00:38:10] <andypugh> Yes, but with extra torsion and external mressure.
[00:38:16] <andypugh> (pressure)
[00:38:36] <zeeshan> i remember someone did extra torsion too
[00:38:39] <zeeshan> but not external pressure
[00:38:43] <zeeshan> were you trying to achieve all strain paths?
[00:39:35] <zeeshan> (those pressures are impressive)
[00:40:00] <andypugh> It wasn’t my rig. It looked to have been collossaly expensive, but only one wierd Iranian knoew how to work it and it was all controlled by a BBC Micro. This was back in the late 90s, but that was still a bit antiquated then.
[00:40:31] <zeeshan> damn i just converted 27kbar
[00:40:34] <zeeshan> 391601 psi
[00:40:35] <zeeshan> haha
[00:40:36] <zeeshan> haha!
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[00:41:01] <zeeshan> those 1" round bar
[00:41:07] <zeeshan> musta been expanding like crazy :P
[00:41:11] <andypugh> I really wanted to get my hands on it, but didn’t get the grant for the lab controller job.
[00:41:13] <zeeshan> thats a crap load of hoop
[00:41:28] <andypugh> They were about 1mm bore
[00:41:41] <zeeshan> damn it
[00:41:49] <zeeshan> radial stress component is significant in that case :P
[00:41:58] <zeeshan> more work to calculate :P
[00:42:22] <andypugh> Strangest looking pipes I have ever seen :-)
[00:42:57] <zeeshan> poor specimen does not have a chance vs those pressures
[00:43:06] <andypugh> That was the plan
[00:43:17] <zeeshan> i think its kind of cool
[00:43:22] <zeeshan> how a material actually takes longer to yield
[00:43:27] <zeeshan> with hydrostatic stress state only
[00:43:27] <andypugh> I might have the numbers wrong, of course.
[00:43:39] <zeeshan> they say only the deviatoric stress matters
[00:43:52] <zeeshan> but under severe hydrostatic stress, it actually yields different
[00:43:54] <zeeshan> :D
[00:44:04] <zeeshan> but i guess its safer to neglect that
[00:44:16] <andypugh> But the sample external vessel was about 500mm diameter and the central cavity for the specimen was no more than 80mm diameter.
[00:44:39] <zeeshan> wait so that vessel is also seeing 27kbar?
[00:45:04] <zeeshan> (cause you said the rig was capable of extenrally pressuizing the sample)
[00:45:11] * zeeshan cant type
[00:45:13] <andypugh> I think that a sample change was a couple of days of changing seals and tightening bolts.
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[00:45:23] <zeeshan> lol
[00:45:35] <zeeshan> i dunno if a single seal would suffice
[00:45:40] <zeeshan> you prolly would need cavities
[00:45:44] <zeeshan> and multiple seals!
[00:46:26] <fenn> looking at the nekkid lathe pics, i'm surprised that a japanese manufacturer is so messy inside
[00:46:27] <andypugh> It was all a bit crazy, and I have a feeling that they were never 100% sure about the tension and torsion loads because of seal friction etc.
[00:46:37] <fenn> wires and cables everywhere in that nakamura tome
[00:46:49] <zeeshan> fenn
[00:46:51] <zeeshan> thats my doing
[00:46:52] <zeeshan> not theirs
[00:46:52] <zeeshan> haha
[00:47:05] <andypugh> Anyway, time to snooze.
[00:47:09] <zeeshan> nite
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[00:49:10] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell sounds like zeeshan got his lathe ;)
[00:49:18] <zeeshan> not yet pete
[00:49:21] <zeeshan> only some components :P
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[00:51:17] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: its like me, I dont have a cnc router yet, just plotter lol
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[00:51:48] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: its so beeeeeeeefy!
[00:51:48] <zeeshan> :D
[00:52:36] <PetefromTn_> It should be whats it weigh 12k LOL
[00:52:40] <furrywolf> didn't get much at yard sales today... picked up a pair of car head units, an equalizer, and an amp, and a caulk gun.
[00:52:48] <zeeshan> i think 10800
[00:52:53] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[00:52:54] <XXCoder> hey furrywolf
[00:52:59] <zeeshan> its hard to tell what it is actually
[00:53:03] <zeeshan> its just very heavy!!
[00:53:06] <zeeshan> did you see the pic of the casting
[00:53:10] <zeeshan> its beefy
[00:53:10] <malcom2073> furrywolf: I got a tapamatic at a yard sale today :-D
[00:53:11] <PetefromTn_> been cleaning and organizing my shop here lately
[00:53:16] <PetefromTn_> no
[00:53:19] <zeeshan> any more welding pics?
[00:53:26] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/lJiIs
[00:53:32] <PetefromTn_> got a few wanna see em?
[00:53:42] <zeeshan> yes
[00:53:54] <zeeshan> its nice to know someone
[00:53:56] <furrywolf> got your lathe inside?
[00:53:56] <zeeshan> who can actually weld!
[00:53:57] <zeeshan> :D
[00:54:22] <zeeshan> furrywolf: no, i disassmbled it mostly today
[00:54:26] <zeeshan> and moved some components to my place
[00:54:40] <PetefromTn_> I dunno if I can ACTUALLY weld but I am getting there hehe
[00:54:46] <PetefromTn_> BRB
[00:54:46] <zeeshan> fun fact, the spindle motor has a 2" shaft
[00:54:47] <zeeshan> :D
[00:55:31] <furrywolf> big VFD. :)
[00:55:47] <zeeshan> andypugh helped me determine
[00:55:50] <zeeshan> thats it not an induction motor
[00:55:57] <zeeshan> its a burhsless servo motor!
[00:56:17] <furrywolf> shiny
[00:56:24] <furrywolf> what's the difference? :)
[00:56:35] <zeeshan> ones a pmac
[00:56:38] <zeeshan> the other is induction? :P
[00:56:48] <furrywolf> ah
[00:56:49] <zeeshan> one is syncronous the other isnt
[00:57:12] <Sync> zeeshan: you can get induction servos
[00:57:19] <Sync> not as common, but they do exist
[00:57:24] <zeeshan> too much hassle :P
[00:57:40] <furrywolf> yeah, I think the only one I've seen was induction, why I wasn't sure what the difference was...
[00:57:43] <zeeshan> predicting slip
[00:57:52] <zeeshan> is prolly not the best way to have reliable position control
[00:57:53] <furrywolf> so you have a 20ish-hp permanent magnet motor?
[00:58:02] <zeeshan> furrywolf: apparently
[00:58:16] <zeeshan> a06b-1012-b200
[00:58:18] <furrywolf> there's no problem with slip... it's just like a dc servo.
[00:58:19] <zeeshan> thats the model number
[00:58:21] <zeeshan> find some pic? :P
[00:58:38] <furrywolf> you tell it to move, and have no idea what it actually does other than what the encoders tell you.
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[00:59:00] <MacGalempsy> good evening
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[01:00:08] <furrywolf> that's a pretty impressive looking motor.
[01:00:42] <furrywolf> how much did you spend on this lathe again?
[01:00:51] <zeeshan> 4k
[01:01:06] <zeeshan> the spindle motor and drive according to ebay are worth more
[01:01:08] <zeeshan> so im happy :D
[01:01:13] <zeeshan> good deal
[01:01:37] <furrywolf> why wouldn't you want to use them?
[01:01:44] <zeeshan> i will try
[01:01:55] <zeeshan> im hoping the spindle drive can be used w/ singl;e phase
[01:01:57] <zeeshan> if i can find a dc bus
[01:02:06] <zeeshan> cause it should only need 200V dc
[01:02:14] <furrywolf> some will run off single phase applied to the 3-phase inputs
[01:02:27] <zeeshan> yes but youll have to derate the motor
[01:02:29] <furrywolf> some have a 2/3 derating you have to do, but that's probably fine for your application.
[01:02:44] <furrywolf> only some... others the input diodes aren't the weakest link.
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[01:04:48] <furrywolf> I was planning on going back to the yard sale with the car audio stuff... when I got there he was still setting up and said he'd have more out later... then it started raining. I might try tomorrow.
[01:04:51] <furrywolf> he had a LOT of stuff.
[01:05:07] <zeeshan> car audio
[01:05:08] <furrywolf> maybe 50-75 head units, 25 amps, 40 speaker boxes, other misc stuff.
[01:05:10] * zeeshan shakes head
[01:05:40] <furrywolf> neither of my subarus has a working stereo right now. I would like to fix this. I'd prefer to fix it with entirely cheap parts. :P
[01:06:31] <furrywolf> I don't plan on any subs, if that's what you're head-shaking about.
[01:07:14] <furrywolf> he owned a tow company... it's all crap he pulled out of crashed cars before sending them off to be crushed.
[01:08:20] <Wolf_> oo, usually get good stuff from them guys
[01:08:31] <Wolf_> cause kids with $$$$ systems can’t drive
[01:08:40] <zeeshan> tow truck drivers
[01:08:43] <Jymmm> likee used needles under the front seat
[01:08:45] <zeeshan> the ones that sit on the highway are the scum
[01:08:56] <zeeshan> scavenging bastards :P
[01:08:58] <Jymmm> or body parts rotting in the vent holes
[01:09:14] <XXCoder> ah the smell of rotting bodies
[01:09:20] <furrywolf> Wolf_: there was a lot of loud bass stuff there, but I don't care about that. heh.
[01:09:25] * Wolf_ use to drive a tow truck...
[01:09:34] <Sync> zeeshan: audio comes from the front and the back in a car
[01:09:42] <zeeshan> Sync: EXACTLY
[01:09:43] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Still do (ducks)
[01:09:47] <zeeshan> one other person in here who has some SENSE
[01:09:49] <zeeshan> good man.
[01:09:52] <XXCoder> lol
[01:10:05] <Sync> man, I wish I still had my e30
[01:10:14] <Sync> with the DTM airbox
[01:10:19] <PetefromTn_> Okay back again :D
[01:10:22] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: were you a scavenger?
[01:10:32] <Sync> that poor s14 cranking at 9500rpm
[01:10:36] <Sync> but the sound was so nice
[01:10:47] <Wolf_> no, if you didn’t call me on the phone to get a tow I’m not stopping lol
[01:10:54] <zeeshan> good
[01:11:01] <zeeshan> i has you problem with your kind!
[01:11:02] <zeeshan> :-)
[01:11:04] <furrywolf> I have a magical thing called a full exhaust and an air filter. very little noise comes from either the front or the rear on my car.
[01:11:17] <zeeshan> furrywolf: weak engine
[01:11:20] <zeeshan> replace w/ something real
[01:11:21] <Sync> ^
[01:11:24] <zeeshan> vs spending money on a tape recorder
[01:11:29] * zeeshan hides
[01:11:42] <Jymmm> furrywolf: So the noise all comes from the driver's seat huh?
[01:11:43] <Sync> I also had a full exhaust and an airfilter
[01:11:43] <furrywolf> getting it quiet took two new cats, a big stainless muffler, and replacing every gasket.
[01:11:54] <zeeshan> lol Jymmm
[01:11:55] <furrywolf> (new... to the car)
[01:12:04] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/ViQAI Okay here ya go zeeshan. a custom downpipe for an RX7 turbo 4" diameter and a shot of my Cinci ;)
[01:12:07] <zeeshan> rip those cats out
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[01:12:11] <zeeshan> if vw can screw the environment
[01:12:13] <zeeshan> so can you!
[01:12:19] <furrywolf> they also make it quieter. :P
[01:12:44] <zeeshan> colorful welds
[01:12:48] <zeeshan> and boy thats a huge exhaust
[01:12:49] <zeeshan> 5"?
[01:12:53] <furrywolf> I ran it without the catback for a while... it actually was almost silent at idle... then got really loud at WOT. muffler fixed that nicely!
[01:12:57] <PetefromTn_> no it's 4 I think
[01:13:02] <furrywolf> nice big stainless one off a new impreza.
[01:13:23] <zeeshan> i like that very last pic pete
[01:13:23] <zeeshan> :d
[01:13:24] <Sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KShkJvj2JCQ
[01:13:29] <PetefromTn_> heh
[01:13:30] <zeeshan> very clean
[01:13:37] <Sync> although he is not running it to 9.5 like I was
[01:13:40] <furrywolf> normally the loudest noise from the front is the accessories... power steering and alternator mostly, with a touch of fuel pump.
[01:13:47] <zeeshan> you must not be doing much work :)
[01:13:48] <zeeshan> jk
[01:13:50] <PetefromTn_> not where I want to be yet but getting better I think
[01:14:04] <zeeshan> i want to copy yuour setup
[01:14:06] <zeeshan> when iget more space
[01:14:11] <furrywolf> I have a new fuel pump, and the PS got quieter when I added some Lucas to it.
[01:14:11] <PetefromTn_> actually I have more work now than I have ever had LOL
[01:14:29] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: seems cnc stuff demend is rising
[01:14:35] <XXCoder> jobs at work is flying
[01:14:44] <PetefromTn_> I guess so
[01:14:47] <XXCoder> been having overtime each friday for 4th time
[01:14:47] <furrywolf> at high-rpm WOT I get some air intake noise. I'll try damping it when I work on the low-end resonance issue.
[01:15:12] * furrywolf likes quiet cars. :P
[01:15:20] <zeeshan> yes, you like ricer audio
[01:15:21] <PetefromTn_> I have to make these damn flanges here but I received the wrong arbor and I don't want to try cutting steel with my DIY washered up arbor. waiting to get a different one from the supplier
[01:15:23] <zeeshan> we know: P
[01:15:29] <XXCoder> nonfunctional cars is very quiet furrywolf
[01:15:33] <furrywolf> it's actually impressively quiet at idle... like people who aren't me might forget it's running.
[01:15:38] <zeeshan> sorry im relieving some body soreness by trollin
[01:15:39] <zeeshan> :;p
[01:15:51] <zeeshan> lol my wrx is so quiet
[01:15:57] <zeeshan> ive made the silly mistake of cranking it twice.
[01:16:00] <zeeshan> while it's running
[01:16:10] <furrywolf> that's not good for your flywheel. :)
[01:16:13] <Sync> what will be awesome is that one of my bikes will be an oldtimer stoon
[01:16:14] <PetefromTn_> whats your honest rating of those welds on a scale of 1-10?
[01:16:15] <zeeshan> yes :[
[01:16:16] <Sync> ~soon
[01:16:16] <XXCoder> my van is amazely silent to me. I cant hear anything from it.
[01:16:21] <zeeshan> 7
[01:16:23] <zeeshan> flange 10
[01:16:29] * furrywolf throws something at XXCoder
[01:16:32] <XXCoder> lol
[01:16:39] <PetefromTn_> ok
[01:16:41] <Sync> so I can actually run my flap exhaust
[01:16:51] <PetefromTn_> I am really trying to improve
[01:17:03] <PetefromTn_> that tube is pretty thin walled
[01:17:13] <zeeshan> better than my welds :P
[01:17:13] <Sync> PetefromTn_: if you want to improve, weld cupons and etch
[01:17:25] <PetefromTn_> naah
[01:17:26] <zeeshan> no
[01:17:29] <zeeshan> if he wants to improve
[01:17:31] <PetefromTn_> I saw your welds LOL
[01:17:34] <zeeshan> weld thin wall tubing
[01:17:36] <zeeshan> just like he is
[01:17:41] <zeeshan> its the most challenging weld.
[01:17:48] <zeeshan> the only thing thats more challenging is doing it under a car
[01:17:50] <furrywolf> thinnest I've welded is #22 steel with MIG.
[01:17:50] <zeeshan> =D
[01:18:00] <Sync> I tried that, but then had penetration problems on thicker material
[01:18:02] <PetefromTn_> funny you mention that
[01:18:03] <zeeshan> furrywolf: spraying and praying is easy peezee
[01:18:04] <zeeshan> :P
[01:18:10] <Sync> so I started welding cupons
[01:18:13] <PetefromTn_> I have to build a midpipe for the same car on monday
[01:18:15] <Sync> and it really helped
[01:18:18] <PetefromTn_> gonna be under the car
[01:18:19] <furrywolf> I still haven't found a TIG setup I can afford.
[01:18:31] <Wolf_> make one
[01:18:49] <zeeshan> F mig
[01:18:52] <zeeshan> f splatter
[01:18:58] <zeeshan> its my spot welder
[01:18:59] <zeeshan> !
[01:19:16] <zeeshan> tig 4 life
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[01:19:39] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: did you see the math on fluorescent vs led lamps vs led strips earlier?
[01:19:39] <Wolf_> tig is great, but not for everything
[01:19:51] <zeeshan> tell me one thing its not great for?
[01:19:54] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf I could not care less about it
[01:19:57] <Wolf_> sec
[01:19:59] <zeeshan> not great for noob welders!!!
[01:20:00] <zeeshan> :P
[01:20:02] * zeeshan hides
[01:20:16] <Sync> oh I find tig welding easier than stick
[01:20:20] <PetefromTn_> I have a little mig here....it just collects dust
[01:20:44] <zeeshan> maybe its cause i dont use mig as much
[01:20:46] <zeeshan> i find mig more fun to do
[01:20:53] <zeeshan> cause its completely stress free
[01:21:00] <zeeshan> theres no worrying involved
[01:21:04] <zeeshan> know what i mean?
[01:21:07] <Wolf_> metal glue gun imo
[01:21:16] <zeeshan> with tig youre like
[01:21:27] <PetefromTn_> I find Tig welding stress free honestly but only when my shit is working right LOL
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[01:21:40] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/GNuEc1o.jpg that got a full floor and 4’ tall sides
[01:21:46] <Wolf_> all welded
[01:22:02] <zeeshan> "FAK my angle of torch is not right -- human pid control to control arm motor to correct angle" ........ "Fak i got too much current, human pid control to pulse the pedal" ............. - "fak im blowing a hole randomly thru this thin wall material -- human pid control!!!!!!!!!"
[01:22:06] <Contract_Pilot> Still not tracking on the 20 wonder if they will ship.
[01:22:07] <furrywolf> I've never done TIG, so I have no idea what it's like.
[01:22:23] <zeeshan> "damn it not enough filler -- need more Proportional gain of other arm!"
[01:22:25] <Contract_Pilot> Most other's i had tracking in a day.
[01:22:29] <Contract_Pilot> 2 at most.
[01:22:40] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: tig weld that easy peezee
[01:22:45] <zeeshan> but youre right
[01:22:48] <Wolf_> furrywolf: done oxy welding?
[01:22:48] <zeeshan> its much easier to mig that
[01:22:49] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan yeah but you forgot to add that with TIG is the only one where you actually have control over all that stuff LOL
[01:22:53] <furrywolf> Wolf_: no
[01:22:57] <furrywolf> only brazing
[01:22:58] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: haha
[01:22:59] <zeeshan> thats true
[01:23:07] <Contract_Pilot> Need to order wire and i am set for making the sherline run. may just single strand it for now.
[01:23:17] <zeeshan> tig is stressful imo
[01:23:31] <PetefromTn_> ya know what sucks tho
[01:23:40] <PetefromTn_> when I am working over there in thier shop
[01:23:40] <Wolf_> I love tig, kinda relaxing imo
[01:23:49] <PetefromTn_> their
[01:23:50] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: your opinion doesnt count
[01:23:52] <Wolf_> nice and quiet
[01:23:52] <zeeshan> mr mig lover.
[01:23:54] <zeeshan> :-)
[01:23:55] <zeeshan> jk
[01:24:00] <PetefromTn_> they are constantly moving cars in and out of the shop
[01:24:08] <Wolf_> my weld qual is in tig :P
[01:24:09] <zeeshan> it is clean and quiet, unless youre doing ac
[01:24:10] <zeeshan> BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
[01:24:11] <PetefromTn_> and they open all the doors to the building which are HUGe doors
[01:24:11] <zeeshan> bzzzzzzz
[01:24:24] <PetefromTn_> and the wind rips thru the building
[01:24:34] <PetefromTn_> and blows my shield away
[01:24:40] <PetefromTn_> really sucks
[01:24:48] <XXCoder> zeeshan: im sure can setup it so ac is outside and pump cold air inside using insulated pipes
[01:24:49] <zeeshan> call whoever does that over
[01:24:55] <XXCoder> may be worth it if you need quiet
[01:24:56] <PetefromTn_> I try to shut them when they don't need them open
[01:24:58] <zeeshan> and put the torch on their hand
[01:25:01] <zeeshan> and press the trigger
[01:25:06] <zeeshan> give me a little love shock.
[01:25:09] <PetefromTn_> but it is near impossible
[01:25:16] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[01:25:27] <furrywolf> I'm amazed how quiet dc stick is on my dialarc 250... it just makes rod vanish. lol
[01:25:44] <PetefromTn_> DC is the ONLY way to stick weld IMHO
[01:26:00] <zeeshan> XXCoder: whatcha talking about
[01:26:08] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: please repost link to your new lathe
[01:26:13] <zeeshan> im talking about ac welding
[01:26:16] <zeeshan> not air conditioning :P
[01:26:21] <XXCoder> zeeshan: ah other kind of AC, electricity lol
[01:26:24] <zeeshan> hehe
[01:26:37] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: no!
[01:26:46] <zeeshan> third time post counts as showing off
[01:26:48] <zeeshan> i aint showing off
[01:26:58] <MacGalempsy> then msg it to me
[01:27:16] <XXCoder> theres deaf saying - literal transalation means "train zoom"
[01:27:27] <XXCoder> meaning you missed it lol
[01:27:28] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/WFAo5Ye.jpg zeeshan’s new lathe :P
[01:27:46] <zeeshan> wolf
[01:27:48] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[01:27:48] <zeeshan> are you using the same comp
[01:27:50] <MacGalempsy> hahaha
[01:27:53] <zeeshan> to control lathe and mill?
[01:28:02] <MacGalempsy> I like the wiring job!
[01:28:10] <Wolf_> no, only the mill is cnc
[01:28:13] <zeeshan> o
[01:28:18] <malcom2073> Lol
[01:28:20] <Wolf_> so far
[01:28:49] <zeeshan> i think im gonna wear a full body suit
[01:28:53] <zeeshan> and zep cleaner the shit out of the lathe
[01:29:02] <zeeshan> its white, so it really looks ugly w/ stains on it
[01:29:08] <zeeshan> thank god its not green
[01:29:36] <PetefromTn_> I bought like ten spray bottles of mean green degreaser for my Cinci
[01:29:39] <PetefromTn_> and the new lathe
[01:29:46] <Sync> paint it in that nice blue/green the russians paint their helis insides
[01:29:48] <Sync> in
[01:29:49] <PetefromTn_> really cuts thru the bullshit down to the surfaces
[01:29:55] <zeeshan> nice
[01:30:05] <zeeshan> i used zep in the past for cleaning stuff
[01:30:07] <zeeshan> it really works well
[01:30:18] <furrywolf> I need to fix my chinese lathe... it has a stupid flip-down shield that kills the spindle motor when it's lifted. but to reset it, you have to turn the speed down to zero and back up, losing your speed setting. wtf? probably just jumper the wires to the switch.
[01:30:23] <PetefromTn_> also used some of that greased lightning stuff too
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[01:30:41] <Sync> I got some orange oil cleaner
[01:30:46] <Sync> that stuff is the shit
[01:31:04] <PetefromTn_> no its not...mean green is the shit :D
[01:31:14] <zeeshan> opinion
[01:31:25] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7FTPMhJ.jpg
[01:31:35] <Wolf_> yep 50 or purple, love it, get it in 5gal jugs
[01:31:37] <XXCoder> clastic acid
[01:31:40] <zeeshan> where to place electrical cabinets?
[01:31:44] <zeeshan> (not in the back)
[01:31:53] <MacGalempsy> oh so now you can show off?
[01:31:53] <Sync> on the diagonal surface
[01:31:56] <zeeshan> does that motor and shit slide
[01:31:57] <zeeshan> to the right ?
[01:32:03] <zeeshan> it looks like they do, there is a rail on the top there
[01:32:35] <PetefromTn_> is that for the door?
[01:32:37] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: it was a genuine question
[01:32:43] <zeeshan> no the door is on the other side
[01:32:51] <zeeshan> i was thinking when you move the Z axis
[01:32:53] <XXCoder> anyone experenced with freecad?
[01:32:58] <zeeshan> that cover you see moves on that rail
[01:32:59] <Wolf_> that the turrent axis isn’t it?
[01:33:06] <PetefromTn_> that's a huge bitch!
[01:34:07] <PetefromTn_> man you got some work ahead of you zeeshan LOL
[01:34:12] <zeeshan> a lot
[01:34:14] <zeeshan> a lot man
[01:34:18] <zeeshan> i pulled so many bundles of wires
[01:34:22] <zeeshan> im so glad each one is marked
[01:34:34] <zeeshan> i think the most time consuming part will be
[01:34:42] <zeeshan> trying make the machine more compact
[01:34:43] <PetefromTn_> honestly when I redid the cinci I kinda enjoyed ripping out the old wires ;)
[01:34:46] <zeeshan> and sacrafice covers
[01:34:54] <zeeshan> im leaving the rear covers off
[01:34:59] <zeeshan> cause they add 12" in height
[01:35:02] <zeeshan> or 10"
[01:35:03] <zeeshan> i forget
[01:35:04] <PetefromTn_> I have a huge box of wires sitting in the corner still
[01:35:07] <zeeshan> haha
[01:35:19] <zeeshan> dude this thing annoyed the shit out of me
[01:35:20] <PetefromTn_> gonna use it to build the CNC lathe
[01:35:23] <zeeshan> i want you to see this.
[01:35:37] <zeeshan> im suprised to see this from japanese..
[01:35:40] <zeeshan> this is something germans would do
[01:35:50] <PetefromTn_> what kinda lathe is it again?
[01:35:51] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/6flBTOv.jpg
[01:35:55] <zeeshan> look closely at the overarm
[01:35:57] <zeeshan> and the left control
[01:36:05] <zeeshan> theres 2 estops right next to eeach other
[01:36:05] <zeeshan> lol
[01:36:11] <zeeshan> theres 2 spindle motor speed overrrides
[01:36:13] <zeeshan> feed overrides
[01:36:23] <zeeshan> that control on the left also swings over..
[01:36:31] <zeeshan> i have no idea why they repeated the same shit over like that?
[01:36:45] <PetefromTn_> convenience?
[01:36:49] <zeeshan> nakamura tome tmc3
[01:36:51] <zeeshan> dude its right there!!1
[01:36:52] <MacGalempsy> good lord, are you going to use that interface panel?
[01:36:52] <Wolf_> Japan did side w/ germany in ww2 maybe thats why :P
[01:36:53] <zeeshan> lol
[01:37:00] <zeeshan> wolf hahaha
[01:37:07] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: no
[01:37:14] <PetefromTn_> yeah but when you are standing with your head inside the machine setting up stuff its not really
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[01:37:18] <zeeshan> im putting all the 7i77 stuff inthere
[01:37:19] <MacGalempsy> whats the biggest touchscreen you can get in there?
[01:37:26] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: but that whole box
[01:37:28] <zeeshan> swings over
[01:37:32] <zeeshan> so when youre inside the machine
[01:37:36] <zeeshan> you can still access it really easily
[01:37:44] <zeeshan> if you look at the bottom of the box
[01:37:47] <zeeshan> youll see its on an arm too
[01:37:48] <PetefromTn_> the little one or the big one
[01:37:50] <zeeshan> and a pivot
[01:37:52] <zeeshan> big one
[01:38:17] <PetefromTn_> well maybe they designed it for little japanese people who can't reach both?
[01:38:23] <zeeshan> hahah
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[01:38:52] <PetefromTn_> you could probably put your entire electronics system inside that big pendant box LOL
[01:38:53] <Wolf_> dunno about that, they look too high off the ground for that idea
[01:39:01] <zeeshan> haha PetefromTn_
[01:39:26] <PetefromTn_> Oh wait I forgot I was talking about zeeshan :D
[01:39:39] <zeeshan> cant fit a 2000amp breaker inthere
[01:39:41] <zeeshan> :)
[01:39:47] <PetefromTn_> hahahaha
[01:40:30] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: i hate touch screans
[01:40:31] <zeeshan> no touch screens mate
[01:40:36] <zeeshan> im a keyboard guy
[01:41:16] <zeeshan> if it was just a cnc lathe controller, i can see touch screen working
[01:41:25] <zeeshan> but even to this day, i write code for the mikron
[01:41:30] <zeeshan> that would be really annoying w/ a touch screen
[01:42:05] <MacGalempsy> who writes code in MDI mode?
[01:42:13] <zeeshan> i do :D
[01:42:16] <PetefromTn_> I actually like my little commercial waterproof keyboard with touch screen
[01:42:28] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: its apreference
[01:42:30] <zeeshan> i guess
[01:42:30] <PetefromTn_> I edit programs all the time
[01:42:42] <PetefromTn_> at the machine
[01:42:45] <zeeshan> when i say i write code, i didnt mean g-code
[01:42:51] <zeeshan> i meant like program c code
[01:42:54] <zeeshan> or python
[01:42:57] <zeeshan> and try things out w/ it
[01:43:13] <PetefromTn_> been setting things up for that CNC stop pin toolholder like Tom talks about and adding that new facemill to existing programs today
[01:43:23] <zeeshan> hey did you use that face mill yet?
[01:43:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[01:43:32] <zeeshan> howd the finish turn out?
[01:43:34] <PetefromTn_> its not on the proper arbor tho
[01:43:38] <zeeshan> o
[01:43:42] <PetefromTn_> oh it looks really good
[01:43:50] <PetefromTn_> its not seco octomill good
[01:44:02] <zeeshan> can you see your finger reflection on it?
[01:44:03] <PetefromTn_> but its pretty damn good and much better than my flycuttter
[01:44:13] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah
[01:44:17] <zeeshan> youre cutting mild steel?
[01:44:23] <PetefromTn_> no not yet
[01:44:32] <Wolf_> …I need to get my x2 up and running
[01:44:33] <zeeshan> im interesting in the 45 degree
[01:44:37] <PetefromTn_> I don't want to cut steel with it until I get the proper arbor
[01:44:59] <zeeshan> Wolf_: click done
[01:45:10] <Wolf_> lol
[01:45:18] <PetefromTn_> I cut .350 deep in aluminum at 4k RPM 50 IPM yesterday just screwing around...
[01:45:39] <Wolf_> already need to remake the X axis ballscrew bearing bracket thinger
[01:45:42] <zeeshan> hehehe
[01:45:43] <PetefromTn_> er .25
[01:45:51] <zeeshan> hogging some chips
[01:45:59] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah man...
[01:46:01] <PetefromTn_> crazy
[01:46:05] <zeeshan> your mill is really nice
[01:46:12] <zeeshan> this is the first time ive seen a pic of it
[01:46:14] <zeeshan> its really clean
[01:46:18] <PetefromTn_> I had a piece that was screwed up so I figured HOG AWAY
[01:46:28] <PetefromTn_> its pretty decent
[01:46:35] <PetefromTn_> not bad for $1300
[01:46:46] <zeeshan> wtf
[01:46:48] <zeeshan> you paid 1300?
[01:46:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah LOL
[01:47:01] <zeeshan> jeez
[01:47:09] <zeeshan> im sure you made it that clean
[01:47:13] <zeeshan> it didnt come like that for 1300
[01:47:15] <zeeshan> right??????
[01:47:17] <PetefromTn_> then I sold off all the old control parts and paid for the retro
[01:47:42] <PetefromTn_> well yeah it was not clean but most of the nasty stuff was inside and on the top areas
[01:47:54] <PetefromTn_> I still have not put the head sheetmetal back on there
[01:48:59] <PetefromTn_> Oooh forgot I got a new toy!
[01:49:06] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/ETCIL2g.jpg
[01:49:33] <PetefromTn_> you can see it on the edge of the granite surface plate ;D
[01:49:37] <MacGalempsy> is that one yours or the new shop you are at?
[01:49:47] <PetefromTn_> no that is mine
[01:49:51] <MacGalempsy> sweet
[01:49:54] <PetefromTn_> thanks man
[01:49:57] <zeeshan> how dare you use your granite surface plate
[01:50:02] <zeeshan> as a keyboard table
[01:50:10] <zeeshan> are you talking about the micrometer holder?
[01:50:14] <PetefromTn_> I know man I know what a jackhole right
[01:50:18] <PetefromTn_> YEAH
[01:50:20] <PetefromTn_> I just got that
[01:50:29] <zeeshan> that is a sweet thing to have
[01:50:35] <PetefromTn_> from that facebook machiniist tool
[01:50:44] <PetefromTn_> paid $24 shipped!
[01:50:52] <PetefromTn_> its a heavy little sucker
[01:51:22] * zeeshan is distracted
[01:51:27] <zeeshan> where did you buy that hammer w/ the removable faces
[01:51:36] <zeeshan> i need something like that
[01:51:42] <PetefromTn_> I think it was home depot
[01:51:46] <zeeshan> hmm
[01:51:49] <Tom_itx> several tool dist sell those
[01:51:50] <zeeshan> ive never seen thatr had a hardware store
[01:51:57] <PetefromTn_> I use it to smash down parts on top of parallels LOL
[01:52:08] <PetefromTn_> OH SHIT speaking of tools
[01:52:25] <PetefromTn_> the tool truck comes to the shop over there once a week
[01:52:27] <PetefromTn_> SNAP ON
[01:52:38] <PetefromTn_> never been inside one of those trucks before
[01:52:41] <PetefromTn_> REALLY COOL
[01:52:43] <Tom_itx> they're crazy expensive though
[01:52:46] <PetefromTn_> air conditioned
[01:52:56] <PetefromTn_> lots of sweet tools all around you
[01:53:02] <Tom_itx> i spent the first half of my life owing the snapon dealer
[01:53:03] <MacGalempsy> yeah, they are crazy on the inside
[01:53:05] <PetefromTn_> then I was looking around inside
[01:53:21] <PetefromTn_> found a wall full of cool hammers and dead blows
[01:53:36] <PetefromTn_> found a REALLY nice orange looking one with removable faces like this one
[01:53:42] <PetefromTn_> I asked the guy how much
[01:53:48] <PetefromTn_> he says let me see it
[01:53:54] <zeeshan> 250$
[01:53:55] <PetefromTn_> looks up the number...
[01:53:56] <Tom_itx> better sit down...
[01:53:58] <PetefromTn_> ALMOST!!!!
[01:54:06] <PetefromTn_> I almost fell down
[01:54:09] <zeeshan> the school formula hybrid team
[01:54:11] <zeeshan> has a set of those
[01:54:13] <zeeshan> and more
[01:54:15] <zeeshan> its crazy.
[01:54:20] <zeeshan> dumbass students who dont even know how to use it
[01:54:23] <zeeshan> pisses me off
[01:54:26] <XXCoder> 250 bucks for deadblow!!
[01:54:26] <PetefromTn_> the guys at the shop bought a SWEET floor jack
[01:54:41] <Tom_itx> they're not _that_ good... you're paying for replacement and convenience
[01:54:41] <PetefromTn_> this thing is REALLY heavy duty
[01:54:49] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: their ratchets are
[01:54:54] <zeeshan> way better than the cheap shit
[01:54:55] <zeeshan> way more teeth
[01:54:57] <zeeshan> way stronger
[01:55:03] <PetefromTn_> it has a low profile for getting under low cars
[01:55:03] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: was deadblow hammer really $250 or was zee's commet unrelated?
[01:55:03] <Tom_itx> i've broken several of their wratchets
[01:55:07] <zeeshan> one thing i highly recommend to everyone by them is their ratchets
[01:55:10] <Tom_itx> ratchets*
[01:55:12] <zeeshan> and techangle torque wrench
[01:55:14] <PetefromTn_> that damn floor jack was over $500
[01:55:14] <XXCoder> because I got cheap chinese special for $5 lol
[01:55:16] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: don't abuse tools
[01:55:18] <zeeshan> :P
[01:55:24] <furrywolf> my snapon floor jack was $650...
[01:55:25] <Tom_itx> i don't
[01:55:33] <Tom_itx> i use them though
[01:55:41] <zeeshan> i believe regular ratchers are like 35 teeth?
[01:55:44] <zeeshan> snapon are 60?
[01:55:46] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf I thought you were starving and shit?
[01:55:47] <Tom_itx> some are
[01:55:48] <zeeshan> i dont remember the exact numbers
[01:55:52] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: lol
[01:55:53] <Tom_itx> depends on the innards
[01:55:53] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I didn't pay that. :P
[01:55:58] <Tom_itx> i've got some of both
[01:56:13] * furrywolf buys almost all tools from yard sales and craigslist
[01:56:14] <Tom_itx> i've broken the fine tooth ones several times
[01:56:15] <zeeshan> i own a snapon hat..
[01:56:19] * zeeshan goes sits in a corner
[01:56:30] <zeeshan> (i actually dont own snapon anything)
[01:56:34] <Tom_itx> i do
[01:56:34] <PetefromTn_> I now own a Snap on high definition Welding hemmet
[01:56:38] <furrywolf> I have not been impressed with snapon ratchets. I much prefer Proto, S-K, and Easco.
[01:56:39] <zeeshan> im a proto / matco guy
[01:56:41] <Tom_itx> i've got a top and bottom box of em
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[01:57:02] <PetefromTn_> I was talking to the guy at the shop about snap on
[01:57:03] <zeeshan> nice pete
[01:57:08] <Wolf_> I have some snapon ratcheting screwdriver set and a ratchet...
[01:57:12] <PetefromTn_> he was like yeah their shit is stupid expensive
[01:57:26] <Tom_itx> some of it is real nice
[01:57:30] <PetefromTn_> but he told me the only reason he has a big snap on tool box full of tools
[01:57:32] <furrywolf> Snapon you're mostly paying, as far as I can tell, for the truck. the tools aren't any better, and in many cases, especially things with power cords, worse.
[01:57:41] <PetefromTn_> is because when he first met the snap on guy
[01:57:44] <Tom_itx> but for the most part i could get by with any ole tool
[01:57:50] <zeeshan> furrywolf: im sure you havent owned all snapon tools
[01:57:54] <MacGalempsy> im a flea market guy, so as long as its not husky, craftsman, or kobalt, im pretty good with it
[01:57:54] <zeeshan> cause most mechanics would disagree with you
[01:58:01] <PetefromTn_> they told him if he bought this $4k toolbox
[01:58:03] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: old craftsman is good
[01:58:05] <zeeshan> from the 80s
[01:58:06] <zeeshan> and earlier
[01:58:09] <zeeshan> the ones made in usa
[01:58:11] <Tom_itx> yeah
[01:58:16] <PetefromTn_> they will give him $4k worth of tools to put in it!
[01:58:21] <zeeshan> craftman god shit after the 80s
[01:58:22] <MacGalempsy> agreed
[01:58:24] <zeeshan> *got
[01:58:30] <PetefromTn_> so he bought it
[01:58:30] <Tom_itx> they didn't make polished tools back then though
[01:58:31] <zeeshan> i dont even go to sears anymore
[01:58:36] <PetefromTn_> and pays monthly for it
[01:58:39] <zeeshan> garbage .
[01:59:01] <PetefromTn_> so far every tool I have used in their shop that is snap on I was impressed with.
[01:59:06] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, my back then boss bought one that had a hitch on it
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[01:59:11] <PetefromTn_> I must agree thier ratchets are VERY NICE
[01:59:18] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: as you can see, most people talkk shit about snapon
[01:59:21] <zeeshan> cause its expensive
[01:59:23] <Tom_itx> i like the swivel wratchets
[01:59:29] <zeeshan> and they dont use it enough to realize their benefit
[01:59:36] <PetefromTn_> neither do I
[01:59:43] <zeeshan> a mechanic who uses that stuff on different cars will appreciate it
[01:59:49] <Tom_itx> i used to but not so much anymore
[01:59:51] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I own snap-on 1/2 drive, shallow and deep, from 3/8" to 1+1/2", snapon metric wrenches, snapon swivel impact sockets, a few ratchets, and a bunch of random pieces I'm not remembering right now. I don't find them any better than the equivalent Proto, Mac, S-K, etc tools.
[02:00:01] <PetefromTn_> I suppose if I was a mechanic and needed some real tools I would get some because of the payment option
[02:00:07] <zeeshan> furrywolf: how about some constructive criticism
[02:00:12] <zeeshan> rather than saying they're bad
[02:00:15] <zeeshan> why are they bad
[02:00:32] <Wolf_> regular sockets and shit, yeah almost the same as everyone else
[02:00:38] <furrywolf> I didn't say those were bad. I said I didn't find them any better. If you want BAD, I'll tell you about my snap-on mig welder. :P
[02:00:44] <Tom_itx> i've popped a few craftsman sockets down the middle but i can't recall ever busting a snapon one
[02:00:47] <Wolf_> some off the odd special tools, are good
[02:00:49] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan Don't you understand Furrywolf is like Mikey....he won't eat it he hates everything!! LOL
[02:00:55] <zeeshan> haha
[02:00:59] <Wolf_> welding gear by snap on… junk
[02:01:06] <PetefromTn_> HEY MAN
[02:01:10] <Wolf_> well the welding machine anyways
[02:01:11] <furrywolf> Wolf_: yep. but don't mention it, or zee and pete will insult you.
[02:01:12] <PetefromTn_> I got welding gear by snap on
[02:01:17] <zeeshan> welding machines yes
[02:01:20] <zeeshan> ppe is good
[02:01:31] <zeeshan> furrywolf: youre a hater
[02:01:35] <zeeshan> im just calling you out on your hating
[02:01:38] <PetefromTn_> honestly after having tried the snap on hemmet
[02:01:38] <zeeshan> :)
[02:01:47] <PetefromTn_> and trying the lincoln ones at the gas supply place
[02:01:54] <PetefromTn_> I think they are pretty close overall
[02:01:56] <zeeshan> like i said, i myself like proto and matco.
[02:01:58] <zeeshan> im not a snapon guy
[02:02:04] <zeeshan> the only thing i want from snapon really badky
[02:02:05] <furrywolf> my snap-on mig welder, rather than using proper diodes, uses those little unheatsunk button diodes that garbage battery chargers use, in sets in parallel, held in by spring clamps. they instantly fail. the wire drive is a windshield wiper motor. the transformer is half the size it should be, with aluminum wire.
[02:02:11] <PetefromTn_> with the nod going to the lincoln ones because of the much better head adjustments
[02:02:13] <zeeshan> is 2 different tech angle digital torque wrenches
[02:02:16] <zeeshan> they are the best thing.
[02:02:50] * zeeshan kijiji checks
[02:03:01] <PetefromTn_> the mechanic mikey who is really cool bought a very nice battery operated 3/8 ratchet wrench yesterday it was like $400
[02:03:15] <furrywolf> it looks like it's made by century. I have a century-branded mig welder, and it's far superior quality. it's like snap-on called up century and asked them to build the absolute cheapest piece of crap that would last long enough to finish the 60 day warranty.
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[02:03:24] <PetefromTn_> he already has the battery operated impacts
[02:03:48] <tjtr33> jthornton, most ( maybe all) forum user exchange topics marked "The administrator has disabled public write access"? I'm trying to give away equipment. I cant list anything or comment.
[02:03:50] <furrywolf> (no lifetime warranty on snap-on power tools, or anything close to it)
[02:04:31] <Wolf_> thats cause most of the stuff they sell that plugs in sucks
[02:04:32] <furrywolf> tjtr33: got a photo of that arm you're trying to give away? approximate weight and cost to ship to california? I'm guessing the shipping cost is prohibitive, but I figure I should check.
[02:04:47] <zeeshan> arm?
[02:04:49] <furrywolf> Wolf_: yep. but, again, if you mention anything from snapon sucking, pete and zee attack you.
[02:04:52] <zeeshan> robotic arm?!?!
[02:04:55] <zeeshan> i want it!!!!!!1
[02:04:55] <zeeshan> :P
[02:05:04] <zeeshan> furrywolf: its not about snapon
[02:05:05] <zeeshan> you hate everything
[02:05:10] <zeeshan> and you have really not much valid backing up for it
[02:05:17] <zeeshan> i agree on the welder
[02:05:21] <XXCoder> tjtr33: like what stuff?
[02:05:22] <tjtr33> nitro is asking for it . he's local.
[02:05:23] <zeeshan> but you havent said anything about their tools
[02:05:24] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I already said I like s-k, proto, and easco, in this very conversation. :P
[02:05:34] <zeeshan> yes but why?
[02:05:38] <tjtr33> read forum. IF it gets opened up
[02:05:48] * Wolf_ just hated the guy who ran the snap on truck when I worked in a shop…
[02:05:53] <Tom_itx> heh
[02:05:57] <furrywolf> ok... snapon ratchets have coarse teeth (compared to s-k or easco, but not proto), and break without even needing a piece of pipe.
[02:06:06] <zeeshan> lol
[02:06:07] <zeeshan> lol
[02:06:09] <PetefromTn_> Where did PETE attack anyone?
[02:06:29] <furrywolf> I've yet to break the s-k ratchets I now use as my daily do-everything-with ratchets, even with leverage-enhancers. :)
[02:06:30] <zeeshan> using a piece of pipe on a ratchet is abusing it first of all
[02:06:34] <Wolf_> funny that stuff happened the other way around for me
[02:06:35] <zeeshan> :P
[02:06:38] <XXCoder> tjtr33: did you post link to forum?
[02:06:43] <tjtr33> furrywolf, its OTC Daihen DR 603. you can find pix & manuals
[02:06:46] <Wolf_> my S-K head broke in half
[02:06:52] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, it's just a tool extension
[02:06:59] <zeeshan> :P
[02:07:03] <zeeshan> you use a breaker bar
[02:07:05] <zeeshan> not a damn ratcher
[02:07:09] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I had a 4ft piece of water pipe on a breaker bar the other day. :P
[02:07:10] <PetefromTn_> surely that voids warrantees
[02:07:15] <Tom_itx> i use a pipe dammit!
[02:07:26] <Wolf_> I use a torque wrench :O
[02:07:32] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, not if they can't prove it
[02:07:33] <PetefromTn_> GASP
[02:07:43] <XXCoder> I remember one guy story about trucker using 20 feet breaker bar for unstucking semi wheel bolt
[02:07:48] <XXCoder> it didnt break. it shattered
[02:08:03] <XXCoder> force in newtons was in millions
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[02:08:23] <Wolf_> PetefromTn_: mil surplus 500ft-lb torque wrench I think its 3/4” drive, might be 1"
[02:08:50] <furrywolf> I have a big 3/4" snap-on torque wrench...
[02:09:23] <furrywolf> however, my snapon 4:1 1/2 to 3/4 torque multiplier is usually far more convienient, and the torque wrench sits in storage. :)
[02:09:24] <PetefromTn_> NO
[02:10:01] <PetefromTn_> my wife just told me we HAVE to go see Alice in Chains again....better sell some more damn rails!! ;)
[02:10:14] <Wolf_> lol
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[02:10:49] <zeeshan> i think i need to invest into real work tools
[02:10:58] <furrywolf> Alice in chains is still around? I thought they re-broke-up after the album they released about six years ago? shows how much attention I pay.
[02:11:02] <zeeshan> i have a lot of hardware store grade shit
[02:11:03] <Tom_itx> zeeshan of what sort?
[02:11:06] <furrywolf> zeeshan: torque multipliers rock. :P
[02:11:11] <furrywolf> so far I have no complaints about my snapon one.
[02:11:14] <zeeshan> i have proto wrenches and stuff
[02:11:19] <zeeshan> and gear wrench gear wrenches
[02:11:28] <zeeshan> but when it comes to sockets , ratchets, breaker bars
[02:11:30] <PetefromTn_> I need me some gear wrenches
[02:11:40] <zeeshan> they're all "mastercraft maxium"
[02:11:46] <Tom_itx> i haven't bought much snapon in the last few years since i don't do that much anymore
[02:11:48] <zeeshan> which is the premium brand canadian tire sells up here
[02:12:03] <furrywolf> heh! I stripped my gearwrench 1/4" drive ratchet last time I was fixing generators... and sears said they don't do the warranty there, I have to send it back to gearwrench. I sent it to the scrap metal pile instead.
[02:12:04] <Tom_itx> if i need something i'll opt for a cheaper more convenient solution
[02:12:07] <zeeshan> all my machinist tools are name brand
[02:12:09] <furrywolf> I have not stripped my s-k one. :)
[02:12:20] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx send me all your old Snap on stuff I will take good care of it for you ;)
[02:12:27] <zeeshan> wtf is this sk brand
[02:12:30] <zeeshan> ive never even heard of it
[02:12:43] <Tom_itx> it's popular at auto stores here
[02:12:46] <Tom_itx> or was at one time
[02:12:49] <Wolf_> furrywolf: for gear wrench just call them to warranty… they just send you new tool
[02:13:06] <PetefromTn_> hehehe
[02:13:09] <furrywolf> http://www.skhandtool.com/
[02:13:14] <zeeshan> im only heard of matco, proto, grays, snapon
[02:13:35] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i still do my own repair so you can't have it just yet
[02:13:35] <furrywolf> whoa. s-k makes ratchet wrenches now. MADE IN USA too. ME WANT.
[02:13:54] <PetefromTn_> I want one of those damn snapon trucks
[02:13:56] <Wolf_> gear wrench customer support is here in Maryland…
[02:14:04] <XXCoder> whats degree of movement for turning for those furrywolf
[02:14:06] <furrywolf> finally, US-made ratchet wrenches!!! even snapon is tainwan.
[02:14:13] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, go to the pawn shop and get some
[02:14:21] <Tom_itx> i bet you can find em there
[02:14:27] <zeeshan> furrywolf: no they are not
[02:14:29] <zeeshan> wtf are you smoking
[02:14:30] <furrywolf> XXCoder: 1.7 degrees according to their website.
[02:14:33] <PetefromTn_> that would require money
[02:14:35] <zeeshan> why are you so hateful
[02:14:40] <zeeshan> and dont even know what youre talking about
[02:14:48] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, maybe so but at least you can keep your firstborn
[02:15:08] <furrywolf> ... I saw a set of snap-on ratchet wrenches at a yard sale. the guy wanted $150 for them. they said Taiwan. I said hell no.
[02:15:13] <PetefromTn_> my firstborn aint goin nowhere
[02:15:16] <zeeshan> not a good source.
[02:15:48] <zeeshan> how about instead of talking shhit
[02:15:51] <furrywolf> Perhaps not all their ratchet wrenches are taiwan, but this set, I think it was 10mm to 19mm, most definitely was.
[02:15:51] <zeeshan> you just visit their website
[02:15:52] <zeeshan> https://store.snapon.com/Latch-on-174-Head-0-176-Offset-mm-Blue-Point-174--Set-Wrench-Metric-Ratcheting-Box-Latch-On-174-0-176-Offset-7-8mm-to-15-17mm-5-pcs--P640806.aspx
[02:16:01] <zeeshan> its very easy to see on their website
[02:16:04] <zeeshan> what the country of origin is
[02:16:09] <zeeshan> even their bluepoint is made in usa.
[02:16:12] <Tom_itx> their off brand used to be bluepoint
[02:16:20] <Tom_itx> not all of it
[02:16:58] <XXCoder> "Country Of Origin USA"
[02:17:01] <furrywolf> Most of my bluepoint is made in china or japan, but it better-than-average quality for china.
[02:17:09] <zeeshan> and fyi
[02:17:13] <zeeshan> why compare taiwan with china
[02:17:14] <furrywolf> I think my bluepoint air ratchet is japan
[02:17:20] <zeeshan> they're not even in the same level
[02:17:23] <zeeshan> on
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[02:19:09] <PetefromTn_> why is it that when I am broke as hell with no hope of buying my dream car project they are all over the damn internet for dirt cheap but when I FINALLY have some spare dinero's they dry up and float away with the wind?
[02:19:24] <XXCoder> because life sucks PetefromTn_
[02:19:53] <furrywolf> zeeshan: those are the ancient ultra-coarse-tooth style. I have those in US-made already, from about 50 years ago.
[02:19:54] <XXCoder> I was working on IT degree, and Dot.Com bubble crashed 6 months before I graduated
[02:19:58] <XXCoder> so couldnt get job
[02:20:06] <zeeshan> furrywolf: yea?
[02:20:08] <zeeshan> show me a pic of em
[02:20:12] <Wolf_> spend that $$ and you will find plenty for sale
[02:20:18] <zeeshan> id love to see all your snapon tools
[02:20:22] <zeeshan> especially the ones you broke :)
[02:20:26] <zeeshan> i'd keep those as trophies
[02:20:48] <Tom_itx> i did spread an open end wrench once
[02:20:55] <Tom_itx> and he replaced it
[02:21:00] <Tom_itx> now my set doesn't match
[02:21:01] <PetefromTn_> probably hehe
[02:21:11] <Tom_itx> since it was so old they style had changed
[02:21:11] <PetefromTn_> feces occurs
[02:22:03] <furrywolf> I don't like that style... the modern open/box combo fine-tooth ratchet wrenches are much easier to use.
https://store.snapon.com/Ratcheting-Combination-Standard-Handle-15-176-Offset-inches-Blue-Point-174--Set-Wrench-Ratcheting-Box-Open-End-Standard-15-176-Offset-8-pcs--P641353.aspx that style
[02:22:32] <furrywolf> And what do you know! "Country Of Origin TWN"
[02:22:39] <furrywolf> just like the ones at the yard sale.
[02:22:52] * zeeshan notes the blue point tag
[02:23:33] <zeeshan> http://www.protoindustrial.com/images/880x880/j5249xl.png
[02:23:40] <zeeshan> man that is a nice lookin ratchet
[02:23:43] <zeeshan> too bad only 45 teeth
[02:24:38] <zeeshan> this s-k stuff looks ghetto
[02:24:44] <zeeshan> http://www.mytoolstore.com/sk/45170.jpg
[02:24:45] <furrywolf> if you want fine teeth, try to find some old Easco... they took a standard fine-tooth round-head design, but put in two complete ratchet mechanisms with a 1/2 tooth offset, doubling the number of clicks.
[02:25:23] <furrywolf> I have Easco ratchets with my snap-on sockets. :)
[02:25:28] <PetefromTn_> I can feel it
[02:25:33] <PetefromTn_> somewhere out there
[02:25:46] <PetefromTn_> in some nice air conditioned garage
[02:25:46] <Wolf_> I had one of them S-K ratchets
[02:25:50] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, their ratchets are noisy too
[02:25:53] <PetefromTn_> in some faraway place
[02:26:02] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: im surfing their s-k tools catalog
[02:26:04] <zeeshan> they look terrible
[02:26:05] <PetefromTn_> owned by some jackass
[02:26:06] <Wolf_> thats the one I have that the head broke
[02:26:14] <zeeshan> *the
[02:26:20] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, they're for the weekender
[02:26:20] <PetefromTn_> sits my 86 fiero GT four speed
[02:26:28] <PetefromTn_> and he knows it
[02:26:29] <zeeshan> http://www.matcotools.com/catalog/product/EIGHTY8/3-8-DRIVE-MULTI-COLORED-88-TOOTH-RATCHET/
[02:26:29] <Tom_itx> not the pro
[02:26:32] <zeeshan> this looks pretty damn COOL
[02:26:32] <PetefromTn_> he is just mocking me
[02:26:34] <zeeshan> 88 teeth
[02:26:37] <zeeshan> more teeth than snapon!
[02:26:37] <zeeshan> :D
[02:26:43] <Wolf_> didn’t strip, the fucking ratchet head broke in 2 pieces
[02:26:46] <PetefromTn_> making me yearn for it
[02:26:47] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: rofl
[02:26:54] <zeeshan> lol pete
[02:26:57] <PetefromTn_> but NOOOOO
[02:27:05] <PetefromTn_> he wil just hold onto it until it ROTS
[02:27:08] <furrywolf> the only broken snap-on ratchet I have right now is a 1/2" drive that I broke a tooth off on. I also have a 3/4" drive breaker bar ratchet adapter that I'm not sure whether it actually broke or it just needs cleaning. it needed a special spanner to take apart and I don't have it.
[02:27:13] <PetefromTn_> completely away
[02:27:22] <PetefromTn_> and Is of no use to anyone
[02:27:30] <PetefromTn_> just because he KNOWS I want it....
[02:27:31] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MATCO-TOOLS-BFR88T-3-8-DRIVE-88-TOOTH-8-RATCHET-/161837403529?hash=item25ae42cd89&item=161837403529&vxp=mtr
[02:27:33] <zeeshan> holy shit
[02:27:34] <PetefromTn_> BASTARD!!!!!
[02:27:40] <zeeshan> im buying this matco tool ratchet
[02:27:42] <zeeshan> wow its SEXY
[02:28:20] <furrywolf> matco comes in varying quality... some of it is nice, some of it seems like they stick their name on harbor freight tools.
[02:28:27] <furrywolf> research before buying.
[02:28:32] <Tom_itx> easy there zeeshan... don't blow a gasket
[02:28:54] <furrywolf> make sure it says usa on it. :)
[02:29:21] <Tom_itx> i had a similar shaped old snapon one at one time
[02:29:33] <PetefromTn_> don't they have any quality CANADA made tools ;)
[02:29:48] <zeeshan> they do! :P
[02:29:58] <zeeshan> gray tools
[02:30:14] <zeeshan> theyre way over priced though
[02:30:19] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/S-K-1-2-Drive-Ratchet-Wrench-42470-Made-in-USA-/281800632068 those s-k ratchets are my current go-to tools... I use them for most jobs.
[02:30:29] <zeeshan> those are terrible looking dude
[02:30:29] <Tom_itx> they used to have a flat style ratchet i thought was cool but i haven't seen one in years
[02:30:31] <PetefromTn_> ALL of these are way overpriced
[02:30:34] <zeeshan> look as bad as china ones
[02:30:41] <zeeshan> those are the ones where the head snaps
[02:30:44] <Wolf_> whats odd to me is how much snap-on and gear wrench ratchets look alike
http://www.gearwrench.com/ratchets-and-drive-tools/84-tooth-ratchets
[02:30:44] <zeeshan> or the gears break
[02:30:59] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I guess you're the expert on polished turds... me, I prefer my tools to work well, even if they're not as shiny. :P
[02:31:28] <PetefromTn_> you can actually polish a turd....just ask the mythbusters!
[02:31:37] <Tom_itx> http://alloy-artifacts.org/snapon-bluepoint-tools-p2.html
[02:31:39] <furrywolf> Wolf_: a lot of snapons taiwan stuff is, or at least I've heard, re-branded gearwrench.
[02:31:44] <Tom_itx> for some reason i liked it
[02:31:54] <furrywolf> same with matco I think.
[02:32:04] <zeeshan> furrywolf: wrenches is where polishing matters.
[02:32:19] <zeeshan> you want to remove as much surface defects as possible
[02:32:22] <furrywolf> yeah, you can polish it so your hands slip off easier and bust your knuckles. :P
[02:32:25] <zeeshan> but i forgot, you dont have an engineering background
[02:32:33] <zeeshan> so you wouldn't know :)
[02:32:36] * zeeshan mocks back
[02:33:01] <Wolf_> makes it easier to get all teh hydraulic fluid off them also :P
[02:33:04] * PetefromTn_ thinks I need to sheet the shop walls with 7/16 oSB and paint it all nice white or off white so this place looks a bit more PROFESSIONAL!!
[02:33:11] <zeeshan> wolf_ exactly
[02:33:12] <furrywolf> every wrench I've broken, I've either split the box end opposite from the handle, or broke a jaw off the open end.
[02:33:14] <zeeshan> most should be super polished
[02:33:15] <zeeshan> if they can be
[02:33:43] <zeeshan> knurling is the worst thing you can do to a hand tool that sees abuse
[02:33:47] <furrywolf> the best test for wrenches I've found is to knock two of them together and listen. the sound difference between proto, snapon, etc, and craftsman, harbor freight, etc, is quite noticable.
[02:33:51] <XXCoder> I only broke 2 wrenches ever, and both was stripped gears trying to unbolt that damned sparkplug.
[02:33:55] <XXCoder> it finally loosened
[02:33:58] <Wolf_> oddly my fav snap on ratchet has a matt finish on it lol
[02:34:21] <furrywolf> I have some proto wrenches that'll sing for 30 seconds. :)
[02:34:33] <PetefromTn_> I only broke ONE ratchet wrench and I was being stupid with a big pipe breaker bar
[02:34:43] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: ikr!
[02:34:44] <PetefromTn_> it was a POPULAR MECHANICS brand from Walmart
[02:34:49] <Wolf_> lol
[02:34:54] <PetefromTn_> they replaced it
[02:34:56] <PetefromTn_> for free
[02:35:02] <furrywolf> my snap-on hydraulic wrenches are full polish. lol
[02:35:08] <furrywolf> probably to make cleaning them easier
[02:35:08] <Wolf_> we broke a harbor freight 1” drive in half
[02:35:12] <Jymmm> I break bolts, not tools, though I wish it was the other way around
[02:35:12] * Tom_itx wonders how long a tool discussion can possibly go on for
[02:35:17] <PetefromTn_> the rest of the kit I have owned and wrenched with for almost 20 years now
[02:35:23] <PetefromTn_> never had any problems
[02:35:25] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: infinite
[02:35:30] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: same here
[02:35:33] <zeeshan> but im a but if a ricer
[02:35:37] <zeeshan> i want some fancy name brand stuff
[02:35:37] <PetefromTn_> paid I think $99 once at christmas for the whole set
[02:35:48] <zeeshan> sometimes people associate your work with thge tools you own
[02:35:56] <zeeshan> i know i certainly would not go to a machinist with a china indicator
[02:36:03] <furrywolf> zeeshan: on the s-k ratchet, note the knurling is on the far end, where it has the least force. also note the nice wide taper up to the head, making it both strong and material-efficient. I haven't broken one yet.
[02:36:09] <zeeshan> (for inspection work)
[02:36:16] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, he probably wouldn't show it to you either
[02:36:25] <Wolf_> lol
[02:36:28] <Jymmm> Nice lil solar LED stirng
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MRM1S3C/
[02:36:30] <zeeshan> haha
[02:37:00] <Tom_itx> can't go in the shop dude... liability issues ya know...
[02:37:02] <Wolf_> I only use my china DI on the x1
[02:37:08] <furrywolf> now, craftsman ratchets... I have my suspicion their pear-head ratchets are weaker than harbor freight.
[02:37:13] <furrywolf> especially the new china ones.
[02:37:34] <furrywolf> (all craftsman is china now - if you're seeing anything that says US on it, it's because they're still selling through their old stock)
[02:37:51] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: youre doing it as a hobby though
[02:37:59] <Wolf_> I put the interapid on it once, I won’t do that again, I was ready to smash that mill after that
[02:38:00] <XXCoder> the maker must be china, everything gets made there
[02:38:07] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/MjENr (worksafe)
[02:38:30] <PetefromTn_> HEhEhehehe
[02:39:30] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Chicken Wedding ring, right?
[02:39:38] <SpeedEvil> yes
[02:39:42] <zeeshan> i found a sk tool i dont think is a piece of shit
[02:39:43] <furrywolf> a few people I know have bought the "new" craftsman, and I've looked at it in stores... it's utter crap. the people I know find they break easily, and the ones I looked at had piss-poor fit and finish... and one set, on the shelf at the local sears, had a mis-labeled wrench in the set! the 3/8 was marked 3/4 just like the 3/4... QC? what's that?
[02:39:44] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: thought so =)
[02:39:54] <Wolf_> zeeshan: hobby sorta right now, really I’m doing this stuff to learn, most of the parts i’m making are for the next machine in the line, right now parts for the x2, then parts for a plasma table build for my business...
[02:40:10] <zeeshan> http://www.techshopmag.com/sk-previews-new-ratcheting-wrench-spring-2015/
[02:40:12] <zeeshan> gorceous tool
[02:40:20] <zeeshan> i love the 6 point hex.
[02:40:35] <zeeshan> meat where it counts
[02:40:48] <furrywolf> the fact that they managed to stamp 3/4 into a 3/8 wrench suggests they're relying on slave labor where automation should be used...
[02:40:55] <zeeshan> http://www.techshopmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/HeatMap.jpg
[02:41:02] <zeeshan> they even did some solidworks analysis
[02:41:04] <zeeshan> and call stress map
[02:41:05] <zeeshan> a heat map
[02:41:06] <zeeshan> rofl
[02:41:16] <Wolf_> … wonder if we (guy I work with) won the bid on friday we put in on a tool...
[02:41:23] <XXCoder> zeeshan: nice
[02:41:28] <XXCoder> looks awesome
[02:41:47] <XXCoder> and I see they added a trangle for much more strength
[02:41:48] <furrywolf> zeeshan: those are the s-k made-in-usa ratchet wrenches I mentioned waaay above. lol
[02:42:00] <zeeshan> furrywolf: they just got released..
[02:42:22] <furrywolf> yes.
[02:42:29] <XXCoder> I love urls that arent links :P in least firefox allows me to select it and visit url
[02:42:37] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> whoa. s-k makes ratchet wrenches now. MADE IN USA too. ME WANT.
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[02:43:11] <XXCoder> site reqires flash.
[02:43:22] <furrywolf> 216 tooth. :)
[02:43:28] <PetefromTn_> http://cliff.hostkansas.com/images/2012/IMG_20120714_161433.jpg DROOL
[02:43:48] <furrywolf> XXCoder: what site? I don't have flash, and none of the links I've gone to here haven't worked.
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[02:43:57] <XXCoder> skjhandtool
[02:44:04] <XXCoder> its for catalog
[02:44:12] <XXCoder> they do have alternate so its fine
[02:44:14] <Wolf_> oo thats handy
http://amzn.com/B000TIRZLK
[02:45:54] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: plasma as you know isn't precision
[02:45:58] <zeeshan> so no need to worry about china dti
[02:45:59] <zeeshan> :P
[02:46:09] <Wolf_> yeah :P
[02:46:14] <XXCoder> precision is decided by scale
[02:46:25] <Wolf_> don’t need a DTI to make a truck bumper
[02:46:27] <XXCoder> inch is very precise if its sized by miles
[02:46:37] <zeeshan> XXCoder: we're talking about machining
[02:46:39] <zeeshan> the scale is known
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[02:46:51] <XXCoder> zeeshan: I know. I was just giving a example lol
[02:46:54] <zeeshan> :P
[02:47:22] <furrywolf> those s-k us-made ones are cheaper than the snap-on taiwan-made ones.
[02:47:42] <XXCoder> and looks much nicer im sure
[02:47:50] <zeeshan> looks like the sk ones are around 320$
[02:47:51] <XXCoder> snap-on to me is just way overpriced.
[02:47:51] <Wolf_> costing less then snap-on isn’t hard :P
[02:47:56] <zeeshan> a little too much for a wrench set :P
[02:48:06] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SK-Hand-Tools-80049-7-Pc-3-8-3-4-X-Frame-Ratcheting-Wrench-Set-/291583680721
[02:48:15] <XXCoder> I wonder if silver metal wrenches would be cheaper than snap-on ones. :P
[02:48:27] <zeeshan> imperial wrenches are useless for cars
[02:48:28] * Tom_itx loves the wrenches that come with prefab furniture
[02:48:31] <zeeshan> which is where i'd lke to use em.
[02:48:43] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SK-80019-12-Pc-8mm-19mm-X-Frame-Ratcheting-Wrench-Set-/331674861826?hash=item4d395cc102&item=331674861826&vxp=mtr
[02:48:52] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SK-80019-12-Pc-8mm-19mm-X-Frame-Ratcheting-Wrench-Set-/331674861826 those 5 extra wrenches double the price, it seems. :)
[02:48:54] <Tom_itx> with instructions in 15 languages
[02:49:30] <furrywolf> I got something that came with an allen key once. the key promptly twisted into a barber pole the first time I used it.
[02:49:32] <Wolf_> do they make them in useful sizes bigger then them toy sets :P
[02:49:37] <zeeshan> haha Wolf_Mill
[02:49:45] <furrywolf> Wolf_: probably not. neither does snap-on, however.
[02:49:47] <zeeshan> do you really have to openm big ass bolts in tight spots?
[02:50:17] <Wolf_> I have a 15/16” ratcheting box end
[02:50:30] <Wolf_> often...
[02:50:40] <furrywolf> I want to pick up a set of old proto ratchet flarenut wrenches. I have a couple realllly old ones (back when they were tubing appliance co), but no useful sizes.
[02:51:35] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-TUBING-APPLIANCE-CO-TAC-RATCHETING-FLARE-NUT-WRENCH-SET-CROWS-FOOT-/190974773425 like those
[02:51:45] <Wolf_> I have 4 crapsman flare nut sets, I think I have been able to use 2 sizes out of the whole set, most are too damn small
[02:52:10] <furrywolf> bleh, looks like the images are gone
[02:52:18] <zeeshan> flare wrenches are a waste of time on brakes
[02:52:25] <zeeshan> i go straight to vise grips
[02:52:26] <zeeshan> :P
[02:52:38] <Wolf_> oddly I use them on hydraulic lines ;P
[02:52:43] <Tom_itx> they work ok
[02:52:47] <Tom_itx> the ones i have do anyway
[02:53:23] <furrywolf> http://s362.photobucket.com/user/MOPAHOUND/media/SmallerSetRatchetHeadCloseup.jpg.html they work like that
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[02:54:22] <furrywolf> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61MZakfswdL._SX466_.jpg I also have a couple of that style, also nice
[02:54:47] <Wolf_> kinda neat, sorta pointless IMO but half the shit I work on the fucking lines are put in spots you can’t get to
[02:55:01] <zeeshan> american design?
[02:55:02] <zeeshan> :D
[02:55:15] <zeeshan> dude i had such a good time pulling thos eparts off the nakamura
[02:55:19] <zeeshan> everything came off so easily
[02:55:25] <Wolf_> bobcat, cat, komatsu
[02:55:26] <zeeshan> not over torqued
[02:55:26] <furrywolf> the second style is nice because it grips all six corners, so you can round them all at once instead of two at a time. :)
[02:55:37] <zeeshan> easy peezee work
[02:55:43] <Wolf_> all the shit is packed in so you can’t get to the line thats leaking
[02:55:48] <zeeshan> lol
[02:55:52] <zeeshan> gotta remove half the machine?
[02:55:53] <zeeshan> :D
[02:56:05] <furrywolf> yeah, I've seen valve bodies where you have to pull a few hoses from the outside in to get to the one you're trying to get to...
[02:56:09] <Wolf_> need to pull the motor on the bobcat to fix one of the leaks
[02:56:20] <zeeshan> hahaha
[02:56:21] <zeeshan> nice
[02:56:30] <furrywolf> the most annoying thing I did lately was the starter motor on a john deere... first step REMOVE ENGINE.
[02:56:48] <Wolf_> worst was the braked on my Long backhoe
[02:56:59] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: you repeat earth moving machinery?
[02:57:02] <zeeshan> *repair
[02:57:04] <Wolf_> had to remove the rear axle and split the housing
[02:57:17] <Wolf_> yeah, do a little of everything
[02:57:23] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah MUCH less chance of stripping
[02:57:24] <zeeshan> nice
[02:57:27] <SpeedEvil> Where you need a hoist to move the hoist.
[02:57:31] <Wolf_> might be getting back in to excavation work
[02:57:47] <furrywolf> remove clutch, remove pto, remove throttle, remove choke, remove fuel lines, remove electrical, remove outside cowling, remove engine, remove governor and throttle linkage, remove engine cowling... remove two bolts and change start motor.
[02:58:15] <Wolf_> thats not too bad, what sized deer?
[02:58:18] <furrywolf> it should not be a multi-hour project to change a starter motor.
[02:58:22] <SpeedEvil> B) manufacture a starter motor that fits onto the PTO
[02:58:22] <XXCoder> heh i still remember mecury sable 1988 water pump. i was supposed to remove engine to change water pump. wee we found a other way. lift engine slightly lol
[02:58:38] <furrywolf> little lawn-sized one. hydraulic with a tiny 3-point hitch.
[02:59:15] <Wolf_> so smaller then the backhoe wheels lol
[02:59:23] <furrywolf> 2-cyl onan, mounted the WRONG WAY. which is why a trivial project instead takes several hours.
[03:00:05] <Wolf_> I never did the brakes on that machine, looked at the manual and said fuck it
[03:00:05] <furrywolf> having to dismantle the governor is just plain evil.
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[03:01:34] <furrywolf> Wolf_: consider picking up a few wrenches like
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61MZakfswdL._SX466_.jpg and seeing how you like them. they seem reasonable strip-resistant, and ratchet in 1/12 of a turn... not fine tooth obviously, but for lazy people they're nice. :)
[03:02:01] <furrywolf> they're kinda self-tightening like a pipe wrench, and grip well.
[03:02:14] <furrywolf> make sure you get US ones, obviously.
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[03:04:04] <furrywolf> Wolf_: you do any hydraulic motor/pump design? I've been slowly bouncing around my head the idea for an ultra-efficient pump/motor, of the axial piston swashplate variety.
[03:04:31] <Wolf_> no, I just replace hoses and stuff lol
[03:04:37] <furrywolf> all antifriction bearings, no sliding surfaces, crossheads, and poppet valves. :)
[03:05:08] <furrywolf> crossheads to avoid piston skirts, of course.
[03:05:37] <zeeshan> damn it my fanuc stash does not have antyhing about this motor :(
[03:06:00] <furrywolf> connect drive to power, enjoy?
[03:06:10] <zeeshan> k
[03:06:28] <furrywolf> make sure to strap the motor down to a pallet nice and tight first. :)
[03:06:39] <PetefromTn_> Fanuc....kinda like pain
[03:06:44] <zeeshan> yea pete
[03:06:44] <zeeshan> lol
[03:06:57] <zeeshan> i have a feeling im going to go thru what ssi went thru
[03:07:08] <PetefromTn_> probably
[03:07:10] <furrywolf> you might want to avoid that... houses are expensive.
[03:07:13] <PetefromTn_> those are some monster servos
[03:07:19] <furrywolf> oh, you mean motors... :P
[03:07:39] <zeeshan> i wish i wrote down the numbers for the servo
[03:07:45] <zeeshan> only got it for the spindle
[03:08:12] <furrywolf> hurry up and get it home. :)
[03:09:32] <furrywolf> "if you buy an S•K tool it is made
[03:09:33] <furrywolf> in the USA, no questions asked or needed. So, unlike competitive
[03:09:33] <furrywolf> products, you do not need to research each tool to decipher the
[03:09:33] <furrywolf> country of origin.
[03:09:33] <furrywolf> If it says S•K on it, it is made in the USA"
[03:09:35] <furrywolf> bah, sorry.
[03:09:37] <zeeshan> i asked the person whos selling the stuff
[03:09:42] <furrywolf> their stupid catalog viewer apparantly has hard line breaks.
[03:09:46] <zeeshan> the machinery dealer guy to give me the books
[03:09:56] <zeeshan> i didnt find em where he told me they were..
[03:10:06] <Wolf_> zeeshan: should have just loaded it on your car and took it home after getting all that weight off of it
http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Workshop/Lumber-Car-A.jpg
[03:10:35] <zeeshan> :)
[03:10:35] <XXCoder> Wolf_: wow you found it! I wanted to show that recently
[03:10:55] <Wolf_> funny note, I eaten at that IHOP
[03:11:18] <furrywolf> I wish the mil safety photo of the week archives were findable.
[03:11:27] <furrywolf> archive.org has the index pages, but not the photos!
[03:11:41] <furrywolf> and their new site only has the last hundred or so, the first 500 are gone.
[03:12:32] <furrywolf> "Not only are all of our tools manufactured in the USA, all of the components and raw materials are of USA origin as well."
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[03:15:53] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/5262110534.html
[03:16:17] <zeeshan> not a bad deal
[03:16:34] <zeeshan> needs 21 22 and 24! :P
[03:16:41] <zeeshan> and 8
[03:16:42] <furrywolf> I have that exact set.
[03:16:43] <Wolf_> the best way to get snap-on tools, out of work mechanics :P
[03:17:00] <furrywolf> it's in my subaru right now, in fact. lol
[03:17:57] <furrywolf> 19 is enough to work on a subaru. :)
[03:18:07] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FANUC-AC-SPINDLE-MOTOR-MODEL-12-A06B-1012-B100-TESTED-WARRANTY-/390451706651
[03:18:08] <zeeshan> wtf
[03:18:14] <furrywolf> there's a few larger things (hub nuts, etc), but sockets work for them.
[03:18:15] <zeeshan> 2400 replacement cost
[03:18:27] <zeeshan> hope its not busted :P
[03:18:30] <furrywolf> I think the hubs are 36mm, 200ftlbs...
[03:18:39] <furrywolf> motor shops can fix most things cheaper than that
[03:19:04] <PetefromTn_> I thought you were going to replace the motor?
[03:19:06] <Wolf_> I miss my chevelle… only needed 9/16” 1/2” 7/16” to take most of the car apart
[03:19:10] <zeeshan> pete no!!
[03:19:14] <zeeshan> andy helped me find out
[03:19:18] <zeeshan> that its a brushless ac motor
[03:19:21] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: he's now realized the motor is awesome.
[03:19:24] <zeeshan> i want to keep it
[03:19:29] <zeeshan> i can index the spindle
[03:19:33] <zeeshan> and add live tooling later on
[03:19:46] <zeeshan> it has a brake caliper to hold the spindle in place
[03:20:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is all nice and fuzzy but can you power it?
[03:20:22] <zeeshan> yes
[03:20:25] <furrywolf> most of my daily-use wrenches are craftsman, with proto when I need quality... the snapon doesn't see much use.
[03:20:29] <zeeshan> because the drive likely needs DC volts
[03:20:30] <zeeshan> not 3 phase
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[03:20:53] <PetefromTn_> 20HP worth of DC volts
[03:20:57] <zeeshan> no
[03:20:59] <zeeshan> you can derate it
[03:21:04] <zeeshan> and rujn the motor at 10hp
[03:21:13] <zeeshan> like think of a dc motor, if you dont gie it enough current
[03:21:17] <zeeshan> it just doesnt make as much torque
[03:21:24] <zeeshan> its not like an ac induction motor
[03:21:27] <zeeshan> which will try to draw more current
[03:21:43] <zeeshan> when the voltage is low
[03:21:43] <PetefromTn_> ok
[03:21:45] <furrywolf> the drive might do full power on single-phase. all depends on whether the input rectifiers are the weak point.
[03:21:59] <zeeshan> furrywolf: im not experimenting with a 3000$ replacement drive.
[03:22:13] <zeeshan> if i dont have specs and exact stuff for it
[03:22:14] <furrywolf> if the drive does have a straight rectifier input, and the input stage is the limiting factor, you can use an external rectifier for full power.
[03:22:20] <zeeshan> im not playing the guessing game, ill sell it all
[03:22:27] * PetefromTn_ bows to the collective electronics genius of the group which he does not posess ;)
[03:22:28] <furrywolf> big diodes are cheap... I bought some 600A ones last year for $25 each.
[03:22:59] <zeeshan> youre forgetting that the traces arent designed
[03:23:02] <zeeshan> for that kind of current
[03:23:49] * Tom_itx wonders why they never put an 18mm in a wrench set
[03:23:57] <zeeshan> tom mine has
[03:23:58] <zeeshan> :)
[03:24:04] <Tom_itx> i've got one as well
[03:24:06] <furrywolf> the current after the rectifier stage is the same regardless of how many phases go into it
[03:24:12] <Tom_itx> from 6-24mm iirc
[03:24:12] <zeeshan> i have never really used it to be honest
[03:24:18] <furrywolf> because nothing has an 18mm bolt in it? :P
[03:24:21] <Tom_itx> i have needed one before
[03:24:25] <Tom_itx> i have needed one before
[03:24:25] <Tom_itx> i have needed one before
[03:24:29] <furrywolf> I have 18mm wrenches... don't think I've ever used one.
[03:24:32] <Tom_itx> and i have one
[03:24:41] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i would appreciate if you stop helping me
[03:24:45] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: because it was an american size and you had a metric set? :P
[03:24:52] <zeeshan> i'll figure it out :)
[03:24:53] <zeeshan> thanks!
[03:25:02] <Tom_itx> i've got both sets actually
[03:25:07] <furrywolf> ... wtf?
[03:25:17] <zeeshan> i don't want to hear you whine later on
[03:25:18] <zeeshan> on how you helped me
[03:25:24] <zeeshan> it's frustrating
[03:25:32] <Tom_itx> you mean like on the fixture?
[03:25:33] <zeeshan> so let's just make that very clear right from the beginning :)
[03:26:46] <PetefromTn_> Oh jeez
[03:27:18] <zeeshan> haha i just wanna be clear about iut
[03:27:24] <zeeshan> cause ill be talking a lot about it in the upcoming months :P
[03:27:26] <zeeshan> you know how i am
[03:27:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah...you talk ;)
[03:27:45] * Tom_itx prepares his load of crap ahead of time
[03:27:50] <zeeshan> haha
[03:28:20] <furrywolf> well, if I'm not helping others, and I'm not needing help for my own mill, not much point in being here.
[03:28:40] <zeeshan> theres 140 others in here to help
[03:28:40] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I screwed up a part because I did not pickup the second side right......BAAAAHHHHHH!!!!
[03:28:41] <zeeshan> :)
[03:28:51] <zeeshan> noooooooo
[03:28:57] <zeeshan> how much time into the part
[03:29:02] <PetefromTn_> about 30
[03:29:04] <zeeshan> =/
[03:29:12] <PetefromTn_> but I am pissed anyway
[03:29:22] <PetefromTn_> almost out of material
[03:29:36] <PetefromTn_> need another stick-O-6061
[03:29:55] <zeeshan> delicious 6061
[03:30:02] <zeeshan> machines munch em nice
[03:30:03] <PetefromTn_> its whats for dinner
[03:30:09] <Tom_itx> need i show my supply of raw materials???
[03:30:15] <zeeshan> no tom!!
[03:30:18] <Tom_itx> hah
[03:30:19] <zeeshan> it's imprinted in my head
[03:30:20] <PetefromTn_> don't tease
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[03:31:09] <Tom_itx> you know, i thought about that... being in a place where i would be without all the resources i have around here
[03:31:12] <zeeshan> i hurt his feelings :P
[03:31:20] <Tom_itx> i might hurt myself..
[03:31:38] <zeeshan> i love coming in here and discussing stuff
[03:32:03] <Tom_itx> i can usually get an answer here when i really need one
[03:32:14] <PetefromTn_> I'll give you an answer
[03:32:24] <PetefromTn_> might not be the correct one ;)
[03:32:31] <Wolf_> I usually get answers that I don’t need :D
[03:32:31] <Tom_itx> i can generally figure it out though
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[03:32:52] <PetefromTn_> I need an answer to this damn toolchanger :D
[03:33:02] <XXCoder> woot
[03:33:04] <Wolf_> I need to make one...
[03:33:08] <XXCoder> fixed my display driver issue
[03:33:11] <Tom_itx> it would be easy were i there
[03:33:13] <XXCoder> freecad looks good
[03:34:01] <PetefromTn_> what would be easy
[03:34:07] <Tom_itx> getting it working
[03:34:18] <PetefromTn_> I'm sure
[03:34:28] <Tom_itx> andy did the hard work
[03:35:01] <Tom_itx> (hard for me anyway)
[03:35:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah well I am not that guy
[03:35:52] <Tom_itx> anonimasu sp? designed one for his mill
[03:36:14] <Tom_itx> gawd.. i can't even remember where he's at now
[03:36:22] <Tom_itx> sweeden maybe?
[03:37:00] <Tom_itx> he builds forestry machinery
[03:37:29] <zeeshan> i remember him
[03:37:41] <Tom_itx> he still pops in every so often
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[03:39:01] <Tom_itx> it wasn't sweeden but i can't remember where now
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[03:45:03] <ssi_> zeeeeeeeee
[03:45:06] ssi_ is now known as ssi
[03:50:07] <zeeshan> ssi!
[03:50:08] <zeeshan> :P
[03:50:13] <zeeshan> its odd for you to be on so late :P
[03:52:20] <ssi> yeah
[03:52:32] <ssi> about to go to bed but I was bored
[03:52:44] <ssi> I have to get up early to go do some aerial photography
[03:53:45] <Wolf_> thx for linking that damn helicycle the other night, been looking at them on/off since then
[03:54:20] <ssi> Wolf_: :D :D :D :D
[03:58:33] <PetefromTn_> I'm tired and bored
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[04:08:53] <ssi> I'm reading backscroll
[04:08:55] <ssi> it's entertaining
[04:09:01] <zeeshan> lol
[04:09:35] <PetefromTn_> watchin' a good but depressing movie
[04:10:01] <ssi> my roommate's an air traffic controller, and he lost an airplane yesterday :/
[04:10:06] <Wolf_> someone needs to mount a plushy wolf head on a plaque for zeeshan
[04:10:25] <PetefromTn_> define lost
[04:10:36] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: hahah
[04:10:37] <zeeshan> i feel bad
[04:10:40] <zeeshan> but iwanted to be honest w/ him
[04:10:43] <ssi> PetefromTn_: guy lost control in heavy turbulence trying to get through that nasty weather in tennessee
[04:11:08] <ssi> airplane might have broken up, or it might have just disconnected the autopilot due to overloading the servos and he couldn't keep it under control
[04:11:19] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[04:11:20] <ssi> http://fox59.com/2015/10/10/cook-medical-vp-of-engineering-and-daughter-die-in-tennessee-plane-crash/
[04:11:24] <PetefromTn_> single seater?
[04:11:31] <ssi> four place
[04:11:35] <ssi> a columbia 400
[04:12:08] <PetefromTn_> jeez Father and Daughter.
[04:12:11] <ssi> yeah :/
[04:12:15] <ssi> and she's a twin
[04:12:32] <PetefromTn_> So so sad
[04:12:58] <zeeshan> i try to look at the bright side
[04:13:00] <zeeshan> they went out quick
[04:13:06] <zeeshan> =/
[04:13:07] <ssi> not quick enough
[04:13:17] <ssi> he screamed over the radio :(
[04:13:27] <zeeshan> thats ok
[04:13:31] <zeeshan> didnt have to suffer thru cancer
[04:13:36] <ssi> yea well dan's fucked up over it
[04:13:42] <ssi> they're trying to get him to take 45 days psych leave
[04:13:47] <PetefromTn_> I can understand that
[04:13:56] <XXCoder> :(
[04:14:01] <zeeshan> sux =/
[04:14:19] <ssi> it's part of the job tho
[04:14:31] <ssi> dude should have slowed down
[04:14:54] <ssi> the columbia is a fast bitch, and at high speed cruise it can't take those gust loads
[04:15:06] <ssi> if he'd gone through it in the green arc he probably would have been fine
[04:15:21] <renesis> what happened?
[04:15:28] <renesis> driving the plane too fast?
[04:15:36] <ssi> flew it through a thunderstorm
[04:15:59] <renesis> article doesnt say much, and i dont care about them so much, jezus fuck at the brother/son
[04:16:07] <renesis> oh, crazy
[04:17:09] <Wolf_> don’t most people run gps w/ weather overlays or some shit
[04:17:19] <ssi> yeah
[04:17:29] <ssi> nexrad is useful but it's not perfect
[04:17:33] <ssi> it's fairly laggy
[04:17:45] <ssi> I always try to fly behind the cells, so when I get there they will be further along
[04:17:51] <ssi> trying to fly in front of them is perilous
[04:18:11] <ssi> sometimes you have no choice but to penetrate some heavier returns
[04:18:22] <ssi> but you gotta GOTTA slow down
[04:18:26] <ssi> down to maneuvering speed is ideal
[04:20:50] <renesis> even if he sreamed going down, sounds like the end was crazy quick from the linked article
[04:21:08] <renesis> everyone says they heard a boom and saw the sky go red =\
[04:21:23] <ssi> yep
[04:21:42] <ssi> tri-cities tracon reported him losing 9000' in fifteen seconds
[04:21:50] <ssi> they came down FAST
[04:22:03] <renesis> oh wow, like it kinda stalled and fell out of the sky
[04:22:13] <ssi> no, that would have been far slower
[04:22:19] <ssi> spiral dive likely
[04:22:21] <ssi> I bet they hit 400mph
[04:22:22] <Wolf_> that sounds like under power
[04:22:29] <renesis> like he got confused and pointed it at the ground?
[04:22:43] <XXCoder> broken evelators?
[04:22:44] <ssi> it's immensely difficult to keep an airplane under control in the clouds
[04:22:48] <Wolf_> http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/8/6/4/0169468.jpg fancy looking
[04:22:48] <ssi> far more than you can imagine
[04:23:03] <ssi> and he almost certainly was flying with the autopilot engaged
[04:23:11] <renesis> holy shit thats 41omph avg speed
[04:23:38] <ssi> in heavy turbulence, the autopilot will fight the hell out of the gusts to keep you level and on altitude
[04:23:45] <renesis> *410
[04:24:06] <ssi> so either the autopilot gave up when its trim limits were exceeded, and he wasn't on top of his shit when it happened, and lost control
[04:24:18] <ssi> OR the autopilot didn't give up, and overstressed the airframe and they broke up
[04:24:32] <renesis> oh damn the autopilot can do that?
[04:24:34] <ssi> the columbia cruises like 235kt
[04:24:43] <ssi> sure... it has full elevator authority
[04:24:47] <renesis> i guess thats prob better than giving up
[04:25:43] <ssi> Va on the columbia is 158kt
[04:25:53] <ssi> that's the maximum speed that you can apply full controls without over-G
[04:26:31] <ssi> Vno is 181kt, that's the top of the green arc, which is "max structural cruise", the speed below which it can take a 50fps vertical shear without over-G
[04:26:35] <renesis> yeah i dunno what that means i have zero context
[04:26:56] <ssi> means if he went hauling balls at 235kt into heavy turbulence, it's very likely he overstressed it and maybe broke somethign
[04:28:18] <Wolf_> being not a pilot my first thought would be to kick it in the ass and get though the rough shut
[04:28:24] <Wolf_> shut/stuff
[04:28:30] <Tom_itx> you think he was trying to beat the storm?
[04:28:53] <ssi> he was trying to penetrate a massive line that stretched all the way across the eastern half of the US last night
[04:29:01] <renesis> wolf_: yeah fuck that, being a driver you slow the fuck down so you can react and turn in time
[04:29:09] <Tom_itx> probably not a good idea
[04:29:18] <ssi> that weather was ugly
[04:29:31] <ssi> I was flying last night too, I had to run to ocala to deliver a cat, and back before the storem
[04:29:35] <ssi> and i JUST made it
[04:29:52] <renesis> usually when i feel like driving faster because im tired and almost there, i pull over and take a nap
[04:30:14] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRAnKj-WsAAV64i.jpg
[04:31:33] <renesis> a cat?
[04:32:04] <renesis> you follow the storm fronts so you can back off if it gets nuts?
[04:32:26] <renesis> i dunno how fast storms go, heh
[04:32:35] <Tom_itx> they vary
[04:33:05] <Tom_itx> around here they can go pretty quick
[04:33:23] <ssi> yea
[04:33:42] <renesis> liked 50mph quick? 200mph quick?
[04:33:56] <ssi> 30mph quick
[04:33:58] <PetefromTn_> well goodnight fellas
[04:34:01] <renesis> they kind of seam car quick, just guessing from how they move on animated radar
[04:34:04] <Tom_itx> i've seen 70mph straightline winds around here
[04:34:06] <ssi> night pete
[04:34:08] <Tom_itx> not all that uncommon
[04:34:13] <renesis> nite
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[04:34:25] <Tom_itx> enough to bend over interstate road signs
[04:34:37] <renesis> fuck man i have no concept of weather
[04:34:58] <renesis> californians are pussies in context of weather =\
[04:35:05] <ssi> lol california has zero weather
[04:35:12] <renesis> i dont consider it
[04:35:31] <XXCoder> I lived at calfornia for 2 years
[04:35:44] <XXCoder> never had any clouds and any rain at all till last 2 days I lived there
[04:35:59] <XXCoder> it was bad drought. well till recent and current one anyway
[04:36:03] <renesis> yeah in socal itll be like that
[04:36:07] <renesis> sometimes for a few years
[04:36:38] <renesis> then it rains seasonally for a few years, but probably not rain like everyone else is used to
[04:36:56] <Tom_itx> gnite all
[04:37:03] <renesis> we get an inch in a day and all of a sudden mudslides and dozens of free accidents
[04:37:07] <renesis> nite
[04:37:13] <renesis> *freeway
[04:37:44] <renesis> like, the first time i was in falling snow, i was on a trip to montreal
[04:38:15] <renesis> i thought i was being attacked by gnats, my friend was really confused because i was swatting at all the snow and trying to run away
[04:38:32] <ssi> hahahahah
[04:38:34] <Wolf_> lol
[04:38:37] <XXCoder> lol
[04:38:52] <renesis> its not funny i was really scared i dont like bugs!
[04:39:12] <XXCoder> I had exprenced snow before so it wasnt issue. however, after moving back to washington state I had to buy some stuff I havent owned for some years
[04:39:17] <XXCoder> like coat and pants
[04:39:27] <renesis> also related to being californian: first time i saw fireflies in florida, i freaked out at another friend because i thought there was a chemical fire
[04:39:41] <XXCoder> my old coat (pre-calfornia) was soo small as I was still growing
[04:39:41] <renesis> washington is neat
[04:39:51] <XXCoder> *too
[04:40:04] <renesis> i had a friend up there and i would visit for a couple weaks at a time, like tits totally different one season to the next
[04:40:24] <renesis> jezus fuck at pollen and dander like clouds in the spring
[04:40:52] <Wolf_> I love my area, -20deg F, snow, 78deg days..
[04:40:56] <Wolf_> all in the same week
[04:41:09] <renesis> where is that?
[04:41:17] <Wolf_> Maryland
[04:41:34] <renesis> oh, yeah east coast is weird
[04:41:49] <renesis> kinda smelly in the summer =\
[04:42:02] <XXCoder> renesis: when I owned a blue car it would regularly turn green
[04:42:05] <XXCoder> tops anyway
[04:42:05] <renesis> is like nothing every completely drys out haha
[04:42:14] <XXCoder> gonna love pollen
[04:42:14] <Wolf_> lol
[04:42:35] <renesis> also the blackberries are cool
[04:42:57] <Wolf_> right now its 41°F here
[04:42:58] <renesis> blackberry bush just dont give a fuck, theyre like the honey badgers of the pacific northwest
[04:43:28] <XXCoder> renesis: we get infection of bushes pretty often
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[04:43:37] <XXCoder> easy to kill but jeez they keep coming back
[04:43:42] <XXCoder> just like terminator
[04:43:47] <renesis> see i love that, you guys call it an infection
[04:44:02] <renesis> im like, guys there are fuckin blackberries growing out of the chain link fence, check this out
[04:44:05] <XXCoder> dunno what rest call it but damn annoying
[04:44:25] <renesis> naw i get it, i was pretty blown away by how dominating it was
[04:44:38] <Wolf_> I have raspberry coming up all over my yard
[04:44:45] <renesis> i saw meadows of it, and like at the edge you could see it was 10-15 ft deep
[04:45:02] <renesis> i dont think you can deal with that except by setting it on fire
[04:45:05] <XXCoder> renesis: I saw HUGE piles of em before. old place I lived had 20+ feet deep pile next to bank I went to often
[04:45:12] <XXCoder> they fenced it and hired goats
[04:45:17] <XXCoder> took em weeks to eat em
[04:45:38] <renesis> yeah they grow in ditches besides the road, and the shit is like 10 ft above the road, growing out of a 10ft deep ditch
[04:45:38] <XXCoder> I always thought it was 10 feet deep and level ground
[04:45:40] <XXCoder> it wasnt
[04:45:45] <renesis> blackberry just dont give a fuck
[04:46:15] <XXCoder> when it was gone I said "holy fuck thats 10 feet dip to that land level" or something like that
[04:46:27] <renesis> yeah its nuts
[04:46:48] <trentster> Does anyone per-chance have some cnc maze or labyrith toolpaths - I am looking for something ready to make for a kid present.
[04:46:54] <renesis> like, in the spring, i thought it was crazy how it was impossible to take a walk through toe forest
[04:46:56] <XXCoder> in washington its not too big problem but dont plant bamboo without serious controls if its runner type.
[04:47:18] <XXCoder> trentster: use maze generator online
[04:47:20] <renesis> just too many plants and bushes between the trees, most of the trails were unusable
[04:47:22] <XXCoder> it'll be black and white
[04:47:31] <XXCoder> then use linuxcnc bitmap to 3d feature
[04:48:01] <XXCoder> renesis: thats if its not controlled. one large park near home was, and it wasnt too bad.
[04:48:08] <renesis> can linux cnc toolpath b&w rasters now ?
[04:48:30] <XXCoder> yeah dunno when it started but it already had it when I first found it
[04:49:18] <renesis> yeah i havcent really looked at new features in a few years, i just feed the gcode like before and it still works
[04:49:57] <trentster> XXCoder: yeah I saw the maze generators online they are designed to be printed the lines are barriers and I am not sure how to get a single toolpath to be generated in-between the print lines
[04:50:11] <XXCoder> trentster: try bitmap feature out
[04:50:15] <XXCoder> see how well it works
[04:50:18] <XXCoder> it will preview it
[04:51:00] <trentster> bitmap feature in linuxcnc?
[04:51:10] <renesis> trentster: do you have time?
[04:51:30] <trentster> renesis not really
[04:51:43] <XXCoder> trentster: yeah open PNG file (dunno if support other features)
[04:51:48] <XXCoder> it will open a new window
[04:51:58] <XXCoder> it has list of parameter and stuff
[04:52:20] <XXCoder> for example what size per one grayscale color (total depth / 255)
[04:52:22] <renesis> never mind then. this is actually a pretty straightforward gcoding project, good for learning but itll take longer
[04:52:29] <trentster> xxcoder let me fire up linuxcnc in a vm quick and take a look
[04:52:29] <XXCoder> and what length/widthj per pixel
[04:53:37] <trentster> I was looking to do soemthing similar to this around the same size
[04:53:38] <trentster> http://www.instructables.com/id/CNC-Paddle-Maze/?ALLSTEPS
[04:54:06] <XXCoder> that is awersome
[04:55:11] <trentster> The hard part is getting an SVG like this
http://cl.ly/3Q2f3n3S1R1g into a workable toolpath
[04:55:31] <trentster> without jumping through 5 hoops of time pain
[04:56:14] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:56:30] <XXCoder> too bad that generates walls not paths
[04:57:02] <trentster> yup - I cant find anything online that will generate paths and not walls - but some times my google fu is not strong ;-)
[04:57:28] <XXCoder> bitmap feature you can invert bitmap
[04:57:40] <XXCoder> but well it wont produce as smooth a maze as you want
[04:57:54] <XXCoder> smooth it should run though paths not cross and stuff
[04:58:17] <XXCoder> http://www.mazegenerator.net/
[04:58:32] <XXCoder> check out as path button
[04:59:01] <XXCoder> lines is paths ion that mode
[05:00:26] <XXCoder> trentster:
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[05:06:00] <trentster> XXCoder: thanks mate - you are awesome!
[05:06:10] <XXCoder> np :)
[05:06:29] <XXCoder> wonder if there labyrith version
[05:06:48] <XXCoder> that same site has it
[05:07:50] <XXCoder> but no lines mode
[05:10:06] <XXCoder> no email address anywhere
[05:10:30] <trentster> yeah it seems only available for squares
[05:10:32] <trentster> pity
[05:10:42] <XXCoder> now looking sources
[05:11:11] <trentster> XXCoder:
http://www.jgbservice.com/
[05:11:25] <XXCoder> I looked everywhere no email
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[05:16:07] <XXCoder> easy mazy
http://www.astrolog.org/labyrnth/maze/hyper.gif
[05:17:58] <trentster> hah - that hurts the brain just looking at it
[05:18:04] <trentster> imagine trying to machine it
[05:18:05] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:18:07] <trentster> :P
[05:18:11] <XXCoder> this is 4d. worse.
http://www.astrolog.org/labyrnth/maze/4d.gif
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[06:24:22] <XXCoder> if you guys are curious
[06:24:27] <XXCoder> TPP paper.
https://wikileaks.org/tpp-ip3/WikiLeaks-TPP-IP-Chapter/WikiLeaks-TPP-IP-Chapter-051015.pdf
[06:24:58] <XXCoder> cira oct 5th, 2015. so probably very close to final version if not actual final.
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[06:52:30] <trentster> XXCoder: thanks - another secret treaty - I can not keep up anymore - whats the 1 chapter summary of this one?
[06:52:59] <trentster> Let em guess less real freedom for the man on the street and more money ultimately for big business?
[06:53:00] <XXCoder> I'm under digestive distress so I cant really read at this time
[06:53:06] <XXCoder> in least dull stuff
[06:53:23] <XXCoder> cashew choculate covered does NOT agree with me
[06:53:51] <XXCoder> I managed to learn some stuff about freecad, even with bad problems lol
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[06:59:03] <Deejay> moin
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[07:02:20] <XXCoder> nice
https://youtu.be/MmIP156JIxg
[07:02:23] <XXCoder> hey
[07:02:48] <Deejay> o/
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[07:11:22] <Sync> ssi: hmm, that looks like a fun thunderstorm
[07:13:47] <toastydeath> any of y'all ever use an sgi system in recent memory
[07:17:51] <XXCoder> wow. water rocket
https://www.uct.ac.za/dailynews/?id=9389
[07:23:40] <XXCoder> whoa
[07:23:52] <XXCoder> linux has been forked. lets see if new one lasts
[07:24:13] <XXCoder> Matthew Garrett got tired of linux development culture
[07:26:00] <XXCoder> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/38136.html
[07:27:15] <Sync> as if XXCoder
[07:27:30] <XXCoder> bsd securelevels interesting. gonna read more into that
[07:27:38] <XXCoder> and on why liux isnt implementing that
[07:30:03] <XXCoder> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/security.html#idp60142288
[07:30:07] <Sync> XXCoder: all this dev culture thing is imho moot
[07:30:20] <Sync> if you don't like it, either live with it or get out
[07:30:27] <XXCoder> probably. lets see what happens
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[07:38:30] <toastydeath> at least in my experience, culture determines a lot of what does or doesn't get done
[07:40:49] <toastydeath> technical expertise doesn't mean a whole lot in a shitty culture, and technical expertise can be bred in a good one
[07:42:27] <XXCoder> yeah recently one worker told me why he moved to place I work, it was because his old job was really shitty
[07:42:43] <XXCoder> and other worker that recently started said everyone was always angry at old job
[07:43:04] <XXCoder> dunno why as that guy is amazing, and have advanced to run expensive machines already.
[07:43:25] <XXCoder> he said hes really happy with current job
[07:44:15] <toastydeath> morale goes down, people do less, and the best people know not to waste their time on good ideas that won't fly
[07:44:49] <XXCoder> turnover is poisonous to most companies
[07:45:20] <XXCoder> as it is company I work at have somewhat high turnover due to income cap. I'm at well below that
[07:45:49] <XXCoder> people is pretty happy but then people move on to even better jobs
[07:45:52] <toastydeath> i worked at a local city government, similar problem
[07:46:00] <toastydeath> everyone loved the environment/co-workers
[07:46:35] <toastydeath> but the salary cap was low and the management was very poor, so nothing of consequence got done and the best people left
[07:47:06] <toastydeath> i get to build the culture where I am now, which is an interesting proposition
[07:47:17] <toastydeath> we'll see if I fuck it up somehow
[07:47:28] <XXCoder> poopy fun
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/6503181824/h97C0EEAE/
[07:48:41] <XXCoder> toastydeath: nice
[07:48:48] <XXCoder> good luck man :)
[07:49:00] <XXCoder> hiring right people helps, I remember this nice trick
[07:49:13] <XXCoder> hire some front desk person
[07:49:22] <XXCoder> make him or her bit different than usual
[07:49:39] <XXCoder> see reactions and how polite person is on talking with that person
[07:49:51] <toastydeath> yeah, that's fairly standard
[07:50:00] <toastydeath> the "front desk person" for interviews is the owner's wife.
[07:50:05] <toastydeath> it works quite well
[07:50:08] <toastydeath> she has a psych background
[07:50:12] <XXCoder> wow nice
[07:50:32] <XXCoder> do you also make sure only one person interacts with front desk person a time? with nobody else watcjing?
[07:50:52] <toastydeath> she conducts all the administrative stuff including initial calls and presents herself as admin staff
[07:51:04] <toastydeath> very strongly downplays who she is
[07:51:16] <toastydeath> gets a bit better read than just waiting room shenanigans
[07:51:19] <XXCoder> nice
[07:52:30] <anomynous> XXCoder, some workplaces have just ill atmosphere. Rivalry, jealousy, self-elevation at expense of others, bragging etc. plus management being inable to take action or even participating themselves.
[07:52:32] <toastydeath> i am trying to move us away from bullshit interviews
[07:53:06] <toastydeath> i'd rather go to lunch with someone for an interview than sit around a desk and grill them
[07:53:35] <toastydeath> I pushed this one kid we looked at through for part-time helpdesk type shit
[07:53:58] <toastydeath> everyone thought he wasn't up to par, but they were asking him all sorts of high level active directory/server shit
[07:54:26] <XXCoder> knowing stuff dont mean good worker. trainability is BIG
[07:54:26] <toastydeath> he's worked out great, learns fast and makes pretty decent decisions
[07:55:40] <XXCoder> thats great
[07:55:43] <anomynous> well. People learn. If it is a nice workplace, the door doesn't revolve all the time and recruits don't have to be 10y+ exp cs heroes with experience on everything on earth, and especially every item listed by the bullet list.
[07:55:46] <anomynous> Maybe? =)
[07:56:09] <toastydeath> as long as someone is willing to figure it out, I'm cool with it
[07:57:09] <toastydeath> my biggest issue atm is a guy who either assumes software is in the exact same state it was in 1995
[07:57:12] <toastydeath> or
[07:57:12] <toastydeath> is impossible
[07:57:30] <toastydeath> it is impossible to assign projects to him as a result
[07:58:19] <XXCoder> 95 to 15 has HUGE changes
[07:58:29] <toastydeath> yes
[07:58:53] <XXCoder> 20 years after all. kids born during windows 95 hype is adults now
[07:58:53] <toastydeath> the other day he told a client that setting permissions from a central location across all desktops is impossible
[07:59:05] * XXCoder facepalms
[07:59:19] <toastydeath> when in reality the very first google result is a technet article describing how to do that via gpo
[07:59:29] <toastydeath> every single thing is like this
[07:59:45] <XXCoder> why isnt he shown the door with behind hurting?
[07:59:56] <toastydeath> because he refuses to learn, both the SAN and the vmware blade clusters are essentially black magic to him
[08:00:32] <toastydeath> a client had $15k blades sitting in a rack, turned off, because he couldn't/wouldn't figure out how to configure them
[08:00:53] <toastydeath> two major reasons
[08:00:59] <toastydeath> I can do all the project work myself without incident
[08:01:15] <toastydeath> which means I can make substantial archetecture changes without discussing it with anyone else to make things more correct
[08:01:26] <toastydeath> second reason, I do not do windows updates.
[08:01:29] <toastydeath> i do not touch desktops
[08:02:03] <toastydeath> so it is worth it to me to have someone there to respond to desktop issues and low-level server problems
[08:02:23] <XXCoder> something in least
[08:02:55] <toastydeath> he realized the other day that all projects have been taken away from him
[08:03:03] <toastydeath> i think it's setting in
[08:03:43] <toastydeath> i am slowly standardizing everything
[08:03:59] <XXCoder> thats good
[08:04:41] <toastydeath> i can trust him to do things after i set the standard
[08:05:14] <XXCoder> theres places for people that slog though stuff too
[08:05:16] <toastydeath> fortunately I can't really do much at that one location because the network needs a major overhaul
[08:05:38] <XXCoder> for example, myself isnt too great on cnc but I drill though lots jobs too dull for many other people.
[08:05:42] <toastydeath> which i was going to do, but there's apparently budget in the project for a contractor
[08:06:00] <XXCoder> like endcap engraving. 1,500 parts in a week when any other would do it in 2 weeks
[08:06:18] <toastydeath> yeah, i definitely agree
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[08:06:35] <anomynous> toastydeath, is giving direct feedback too scary or impossible because of his personality?
[08:06:38] <toastydeath> there will be quite a bit of work to do soon that just Needs To Be Done
[08:06:45] <toastydeath> he does not listen
[08:06:57] <anomynous> have you been direct?
[08:07:06] <toastydeath> i have addressed this directly, and he has admitted this fault directly
[08:07:30] <anomynous> well, then you can continue to point it out from time to time? ;D
[08:07:35] <toastydeath> why?
[08:07:47] <anomynous> to make him realize the problem persists
[08:07:54] <toastydeath> he realises it persists
[08:07:58] <toastydeath> he's been there for 15 years
[08:08:07] <toastydeath> it's been addressed since the dawn of time
[08:08:13] <toastydeath> i am just one more person saying the same things
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[08:08:26] <anomynous> so he has an attitude problem and just doesnt care?
[08:08:32] <toastydeath> essentially
[08:08:37] <toastydeath> he's definitely on the autism spectrum
[08:08:47] <toastydeath> he is not well suited for contracting work
[08:08:56] <toastydeath> sometimes the client wants things done Their Way
[08:09:03] <toastydeath> and he can't handle doing anything except His Way
[08:09:21] <toastydeath> he is abrasive and tactless
[08:09:27] <anomynous> thats called arrogance
[08:09:27] <XXCoder> maybe it's time to "promote" him
[08:09:29] <toastydeath> he does not mean it
[08:09:34] <XXCoder> job that he dont need to meet anyone
[08:09:40] <XXCoder> yet needs to be done
[08:09:41] <toastydeath> he's just socially clueless
[08:09:48] <toastydeath> that's essentially what's happened
[08:10:02] <toastydeath> and it isn't a promotion
[08:10:06] <toastydeath> and that was made clear
[08:10:40] <XXCoder> so it works better?
[08:10:47] <toastydeath> "better"
[08:11:06] <toastydeath> i'd prefer to have someone who can handle more than windows updates and desktop deployments
[08:11:26] <toastydeath> it will be fixed in time.
[08:11:43] <anomynous> mm. have you said just that?
[08:12:03] <anomynous> and that he is being rude to people
[08:12:27] <toastydeath> like i said, I've been entirely direct, and i am another person in a long line of people who have said the exact same things
[08:12:27] <anomynous> im repeating ;D
[08:12:36] <anomynous> ok ;)
[08:12:40] <toastydeath> so i don't know why you feel the need to consistently ask the same question
[08:13:03] <anomynous> because some people being direct is not direct, or then it is offensive way
[08:13:06] <toastydeath> i am also ~15 years younger than he is, so there's addtional resentment
[08:13:18] <XXCoder> I dont see why.
[08:13:33] <XXCoder> I went to college and PHD teacher I ahd was more than 10 years younger than me
[08:13:39] <XXCoder> she was awesome teacher!
[08:14:09] <toastydeath> in IT i have noticed there is a big issue with being younger and in senior positions
[08:14:19] <toastydeath> "I have done this longer therefore I should have your job"
[08:14:37] <toastydeath> one of the reasons I like consulting so much, if you're good you move up fast and the money is big
[08:15:03] <XXCoder> reprap have gone priceless
[08:15:07] <XXCoder> I hate that trend
[08:15:12] <toastydeath> priceless?
[08:15:20] <XXCoder> website does not have prices
[08:15:26] <toastydeath> that sucks
[08:15:37] <XXCoder> not sure if its for everything lemme look
[08:16:38] <XXCoder> oh its not reprap
[08:16:40] <XXCoder> bigrep
[08:17:19] <XXCoder> got curious becue of this
http://www.3ders.org/articles/20151006-turn-your-smartphone-into-a-dlp-3d-printer-olo-box.html
[08:18:20] <toastydeath> weird
[08:18:42] <XXCoder> so far it looks like.. just container to hold liquid on phone
[08:18:47] <XXCoder> which is quite a wtf
[08:19:24] <archivist> so stupid, what happens if you get a call mid print!
[08:19:29] <toastydeath> there's a lot of retardation going on in the 3d printer market
[08:19:38] <XXCoder> archivist: well thats not worse thing
[08:19:45] <XXCoder> its pouring liquid on phone
[08:19:59] <XXCoder> from what i understand from video anyway. it could have clear cover
[08:20:00] <archivist> its fail piled on fail
[08:20:28] <archivist> many inventors have a screw loose
[08:20:53] <XXCoder> well that is good as sometimes we got awesome stuff
[08:20:59] <XXCoder> crappy stuff too
[08:21:05] <XXCoder> like this
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/6503181824/h97C0EEAE/
[08:21:13] <XXCoder> what a (literal) shitty toy
[08:21:24] <archivist> they try to make and sell before testing their idea and finding possible problems
[08:21:26] <toastydeath> even the software is retarded in a lot of cases, I feel like 3d printing is being held back by the same people promoting it
[08:22:22] <archivist> diagnosis and fault finding is totally missing from some people
[08:22:32] <XXCoder> archivist: phones do have massive resolution, but like you said, if phone rings it will ruin print
[08:23:01] <archivist> buy a phone display, make dedicated printer, win
[08:23:15] <XXCoder> actually
[08:23:20] <XXCoder> any lcd montor'd do
[08:23:30] <XXCoder> more modern ones anyway
[08:24:09] <XXCoder> I wonder if any 4x would make superfine print
[08:24:17] <archivist> there is another problem, the light from the display is radiating in all directions not focused on the layer in front
[08:24:18] <XXCoder> archivist: lets do kickstarter lol
[08:24:37] <XXCoder> maybe some sort of antiscatter
[08:24:53] <XXCoder> interesting
http://www.3ders.org/articles/20151007-two-students-develop-promising-and-fast-fusebox-3d-printer-looking-for-beta-testers.html
[08:25:16] <toastydeath> 3d printing really doesn't have a hardware problem right now
[08:25:23] <anomynous> i tumbled on some cheap laser on interwebs. seemed lots more interesting than printers
[08:25:29] <toastydeath> yet everything everyone is doing is New Hardware OMG U Guyz
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[08:25:51] <XXCoder> toastydeath: whats interesting on this case is high quality + fast + cheap aspect
[08:26:01] <XXCoder> just $350 yet its fast and high quality
[08:26:18] <toastydeath> XXCoder: like i said, there isn't a hardware problem.
[08:26:29] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R3mMUsHFvU
[08:26:32] <toastydeath> there is ridiculously limited imagination in that space
[08:27:04] <XXCoder> speed torture video is is interesting
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[08:27:25] <toastydeath> anomynous: agree, laser is really cool
[08:27:30] <XXCoder> agreed
[08:27:42] <XXCoder> I do want laser
[08:27:54] <toastydeath> 1) there's no good open source modeling software
[08:28:01] <toastydeath> 2) everyone is reinventing the control wheel
[08:28:05] <XXCoder> toastydeath: freecad seems working
[08:28:22] <toastydeath> have used it, kinda sucks dick comparatively
[08:28:29] <anomynous> also, fusion 360 is free for hobbyists. not oss though
[08:28:30] <toastydeath> used to do 3d modelling professionally
[08:28:39] <toastydeath> for manufacturing
[08:28:48] <XXCoder> nice
[08:28:59] <archivist> if you have used Solidworks the rest are rather plain
[08:29:10] <toastydeath> the thing I want to see is not actually a freecam replacement
[08:29:17] <anomynous> sw is nice but would you buy it as a hobbyist
[08:29:20] <archivist> the gear mates in sw are nice
[08:29:20] <toastydeath> what I want to see is a mastercam-type program replacement
[08:29:21] <anomynous> noooope
[08:29:22] <XXCoder> brb gonna grab food. havent eaten for 15 hours with fun issue all day
[08:29:33] <anomynous> toastydeath, fusion does have cam
[08:29:34] <XXCoder> thats a lot of programming work toastydeath
[08:29:48] <XXCoder> toastydeath: includes stress test and so on correct?
[08:29:49] <toastydeath> XXCoder: it's all a lot of programming work
[08:29:51] <XXCoder> brb
[08:30:08] <toastydeath> yet everyone's reprogramming the same fucking piece of software for some reason
[08:30:19] <toastydeath> rather than moving on to new problems
[08:30:37] <anomynous> munnyy
[08:30:49] <anomynous> also, cams are ridicilously expensive, which will change ;)
[08:30:56] <archivist> toastydeath,
http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/29225
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[08:31:45] <toastydeath> nice, i am leaving that open to read tomorrow
[08:31:54] <XXCoder> back
[08:32:30] <XXCoder> yeah I remmber reading about website making lots of "standard modules"
[08:32:37] <XXCoder> so it dont need to be endlessly repeated
[08:32:54] <XXCoder> in premise that evenually even pretty major stuff is covered
[08:32:57] <toastydeath> 3d printing/hobby cnc doesn't need arbitrarily complex 5+ axis toolpaths
[08:33:08] <archivist> master cam gets a mention as only really doing 3d at a time but moving the other two to get there
[08:33:38] <toastydeath> i actually think it would be best if the OSS community ressurected APT
[08:33:46] <archivist> cam is currently useless to me
[08:33:52] <toastydeath> useless how?
[08:33:56] <XXCoder> APT?
[08:34:15] <archivist> XXCoder, sourceforge aptos project
[08:34:15] <anomynous> apt-get ;D everyone is abandoning debian and moving on to windows
[08:34:19] <anomynous> oh
[08:34:28] <XXCoder> I use apt-get
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[08:34:31] <toastydeath> XXCoder: apt was a tool programming language back in the OLD old days
[08:34:37] <toastydeath> that compiled to gcode
[08:35:07] <toastydeath> and is actually still used by modern cam systems (modified, obvs) to do postprocessing
[08:35:15] <archivist> a few fixes to the aptos post processor were made last night
[08:35:37] <XXCoder> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APT_%28programming_language%29
[08:35:47] <toastydeath> yep, that's it
[08:36:18] <archivist> the hard part is dragging the APT360 code out of the dark ages
[08:37:07] <XXCoder> gcode should be rebuilt and re-standardized. it has many confusing stuff, like G for variable managment and motion control
[08:37:16] <XXCoder> g1 g54 x0. y0.
[08:37:25] <toastydeath> what's confusing about that
[08:37:42] <XXCoder> I woild make g54 e1 as in corrdiate 1
[08:37:51] <XXCoder> I would use c but that is axis already
[08:38:02] <archivist> see also step-nc
[08:38:08] <toastydeath> that is what APT is/was for
[08:38:18] <toastydeath> feature definition
[08:38:37] <toastydeath> but for some reason it died out
[08:38:46] <XXCoder> dunno
[08:38:49] <toastydeath> and now we all sit on our asses typing coordinates into the machine
[08:39:05] <anomynous> and use variable numbers instead of names
[08:39:06] <toastydeath> there are really good reasons, at least from my perspective, why gcode is so damn stupid
[08:39:07] <anomynous> ;D
[08:39:08] <XXCoder> fadal 88 uses e1-e(24?) which is interesting
[08:39:42] <XXCoder> its so easy to read gcode and spot e1 and know what coordite it is
[08:40:03] <XXCoder> I would move stuff around and use M for motion control
[08:40:06] <toastydeath> yes, but now you have abstraction to work through
[08:40:14] <toastydeath> gcode was never meant to be human-readable
[08:40:17] <XXCoder> rapid would be m0, m1 where g1 is
[08:40:25] <XXCoder> yeah but we edi it all damn time
[08:40:53] <toastydeath> right, and i think that's a problem with the tools we're using and not the language
[08:41:08] <toastydeath> like trying to make assembly more human friendly when the real answer is to invent C
[08:41:42] <XXCoder> yeah but then make asm in least reaable if not friendly too
[08:42:02] <XXCoder> gcode is whole mess of G codes when it isnt one of axis and m code
[08:42:11] <toastydeath> ?
[08:42:21] <XXCoder> lots of G
[08:42:25] <toastydeath> right?
[08:42:34] <XXCoder> anyway
[08:42:37] <toastydeath> maybe I am too used to it but I don't understand
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[08:42:48] <XXCoder> wonder how much work it takes to bring back APT
[08:42:59] <anomynous> make entirely new apt?
[08:44:11] <toastydeath> because I think g-code is a pretty robust language for universal control of manufacturing tools - pretty much every manufacturing tool in use can be/is programmed in gcode
[08:44:23] <toastydeath> we need something that can do the abstraction and repetition
[08:44:41] <toastydeath> and then can build visual tools on top of that for CAM
[08:44:55] <XXCoder> yeah and I dont want to add or remove gcode, just use more charactors, to seperate some type of information
[08:45:15] <XXCoder> fadal's usage of E for changing coord is nice example of this.
[08:45:26] <archivist> vapt was an attempt at visual
[08:45:46] <XXCoder> but yeah I like APT on that, reading still
[08:45:53] <XXCoder> damn feel lot better with food
[08:45:55] <toastydeath> like one thing that has always bugged me
[08:45:59] <toastydeath> the lathe canned cycles.
[08:46:06] <toastydeath> if you are a lathe programmer, you rely on them hard fucking core
[08:46:14] <toastydeath> but realistically, we should not have that kind of thing in g-code
[08:46:36] <toastydeath> we should perhaps have some commands that can construct canned cycles, etc - similar to function calls in asm
[08:46:49] <toastydeath> but the actual writing of those things should be done in a higher level language
[08:46:55] <anomynous> why not? its the easiest to change the canned cycle params on machine
[08:47:20] <toastydeath> yep, i agree that it is currently indespensible if you program at the tool
[08:47:35] <toastydeath> but I like clean breaks in abstraction
[08:47:46] <anomynous> also using custom macros for doing things ;)
[08:47:48] <toastydeath> just like g64/65
[08:48:03] <toastydeath> they are *useful*, but have developed since apt's death
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[08:48:23] <toastydeath> a similar good example is Fanuc's stuff
[08:48:40] <toastydeath> in their later models they added a bunch of pathing/object creation
[08:48:44] <toastydeath> Good times, I like that
[08:48:56] <XXCoder> interesting read so far
http://www.designworldonline.com/50-years-of-cad/#_
[08:49:01] <toastydeath> but I think the whole "canned cycle x" is not a good idea
[08:49:13] <anomynous> why?
[08:49:22] <XXCoder> if nothing else it could be done with basic drill cycle
[08:49:31] <XXCoder> repeatly do it deeper in each time
[08:49:35] <anomynous> isnt that more of a post processor thing? If you do this, spurt out that? ;D
[08:49:45] <toastydeath> anomynous: you're not getting my core argument
[08:49:50] <anomynous> yeah
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[08:49:52] <anomynous> i figured
[08:49:54] <anomynous> i asked
[08:50:09] <toastydeath> I'm arguing that all canned cycles/etc should exist as abstractions in a higher level language
[08:50:15] <toastydeath> and not as canned cycles in g-code
[08:50:30] <toastydeath> we should have a way to *construct a function* in g-code, similar to assembly
[08:50:32] <anomynous> and there should be a way to create lots more. Muaha
[08:50:36] <toastydeath> yes
[08:50:52] <toastydeath> g-code started out exactly that way
[08:51:02] <toastydeath> but it instead became the language everyone programmed
[08:51:11] <XXCoder> isnt there g99 (or something?) that have functions
[08:51:24] <toastydeath> XXCoder: yes, but it's a hack
[08:51:25] <archivist> o codes
[08:51:33] <XXCoder> makes sense
[08:51:43] <toastydeath> on most controls you get a series of commands in the g64/g65 space
[08:51:52] <toastydeath> that are logic/function calls/etc
[08:52:38] <anomynous> no new language. Just use python?
[08:52:39] <anomynous> ;D
[08:52:50] <archivist> I hand code with o code subroutines for my gears
[08:53:14] <toastydeath> but if we had a standard asm-type exchange, we could trade canned cycles
[08:53:20] <toastydeath> build different lathe roughing ops, etc
[08:53:35] <archivist> just call it with number of teeth and extents
[08:55:30] <archivist> I could have in in a named external file
[08:55:54] <toastydeath> that's pretty cool
[08:56:01] <archivist> http://www.archivist.info/cnc/standard_clock_n_teeth.ngc
[08:56:17] <toastydeath> but now I go to bed
[08:56:23] <XXCoder> night toast
[08:56:25] <toastydeath> I have a photography gig earlier in the morning =(
[08:56:31] <toastydeath> i need to quit this shit
[08:56:34] <toastydeath> and take my weekends back
[08:56:39] <toastydeath> gn
[08:57:46] <XXCoder> archivist: do it adjust for curve?
[08:58:15] <archivist> that is for a shaped cutter
[08:58:22] <XXCoder> ahh
[08:59:21] <archivist> most cam is clueless about shaped cutters
[09:00:14] <anomynous> most?
[09:00:21] <Contract_Pilot> Evening.
[09:00:22] <XXCoder> probbaly only expensive ones has cutter profile
[09:00:44] <Contract_Pilot> Beer 30 aginst doc advice more then 3 a week
[09:01:19] <archivist> not sure what if any cam can deal with true involute and and cycloidal curves
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[09:02:14] <anomynous> . . . . . . . . ... ~(,,^> -Super speedy mouse. Try to catch him!
[09:02:27] <archivist> you can generate those curves by machine moves though
[09:02:29] <XXCoder> caught
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[09:04:43] <anomynous> .. . . . . . . . . ~(,,^> Accelerating mouse.
[09:04:54] <anomynous> wont catch it now.
[09:05:15] <XXCoder> weird
[09:05:29] <XXCoder> one printer company has no printer left on stock
[09:05:35] <XXCoder> may be going out of business
[09:05:44] <XXCoder> their ABS stock is deeply discounted
[09:05:47] <XXCoder> 35 bucks to 10
[09:06:15] <XXCoder> http://rigidbot.com/shop/page/2/ if need abs
[09:06:54] <XXCoder> ahh theyre launching 2.0 version
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[09:09:03] <anomynous> some apt kind of thing would be cool
[09:12:12] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/OneUp-Printer-Dimensions-Micron-1-75mm/dp/B013RWG8W6/ref=sr_1_117?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1444554621&sr=1-117&keywords=3d+printer
[09:12:15] <XXCoder> 200 bucks
[09:12:25] <XXCoder> I suppose goof fo0r small prints and playing around with.
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[09:28:27] <archivist> anomynous, apt360 runs but in 32 bit mode only
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[09:31:39] <archivist> the code currently is too crappy to move to 64 bit, needs the string processing moving out of the dark ages
[09:32:29] <anomynous> archivist, dont do it in C. ;D
[09:32:59] <XXCoder> know what? time to invent C-CNC
[09:33:00] <XXCoder> lol
[09:33:22] <XXCoder> similiar to C but has functions to do cnc stuff like rapid, drill so on
[09:33:42] <archivist> it is currently a fortran based then f2c
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[09:34:16] <archivist> I have no problem with C, I hate oop dross though
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[09:42:22] <anomynous_> archivist, for application programming?
[09:42:44] <archivist> any programming :)
[09:42:57] <anomynous_> eww
[09:43:11] <anomynous_> thats like saying its fine to code in gcode and not want apt or cams
[09:43:58] <archivist> look at any cam output and look at my bit of gcode, which can you read and modify :)
[09:44:14] <anomynous_> and which takes long per part?
[09:44:34] <archivist> cam usually is slower
[09:44:59] <anomynous_> well, then apt-kinda-thing should be twice as fast as writing gcode
[09:45:00] <archivist> according to a paper I have anyway
[09:45:00] <anomynous_> ;D
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[09:45:30] <anomynous_> well, cam should be on a laptop with cnc machine with dnc
[09:45:31] <anomynous_> ;D
[09:45:46] <archivist> in production the code writing time is small compared to the cost of machine time
[09:45:57] <anomynous_> not if youre doing invidual parts
[09:46:37] <archivist> oop programmers are cutting the wrong cost at the expense of run time
[09:46:54] <anomynous_> object oriented gcode? ;D
[09:47:15] <anomynous_> i will put function pointers in your structs and call it oop ;D
[09:47:26] <anomynous_> j/k
[09:47:29] <archivist> I do indivisual gears but not how simple that bit of gcode is to change to a new number of teeth etc
[09:47:42] <archivist> note
[09:47:54] <anomynous_> its not possible to generalize many parts like that
[09:48:06] <archivist> I do use function pointers in C
[09:48:31] <anomynous_> it was a joke about programming oop in c. I cant program in c though. Ive just read a book on it ;D
[09:49:58] <archivist> I did a program on various languages to convert some library(books) data to a form for database insertion, days in perl, hours in php, 17 secs in C
[09:50:20] <anomynous_> well, you could write cython
[09:50:22] <anomynous_> ;D
[09:51:20] <archivist> and have white space matter! no way
[09:51:46] <anomynous_> there is no white space matter. not in python.
[09:51:50] <anomynous_> it is called readability
[09:52:04] <ganzuul> Whitespace is just a big convenient button with the right Vim plugin.
[09:52:28] <anomynous_> plugin? does vim need a plugin for it? et setting
[09:52:38] <anomynous_> and tabstop to 4 or something
[09:52:41] <anomynous_> and use convert tabs
[09:53:04] <ganzuul> Probably doesn't need it, but plugins are a convenient way to manage settings in some cases.
[09:54:08] <ganzuul> what I meant is that the whitespace can be highlighted in various ways so that it's easy to see,]
[09:54:46] <archivist> it is a plain mistake in the language
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[09:55:47] <ganzuul> I bought an en-US keyboard because {} and [] are very inconvenient on fi-sv keyboards.
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[09:57:00] <archivist> I have programmed in really odd languages, on had comma separated fields in the lines
[09:59:03] <ganzuul> Gcode seems to be a lot like Assembler. - You put values in registers and call functions.
[09:59:16] <anomynous_> archivist, well if its the first one to mention, then is it a big deal?
[09:59:18] <anomynous_> ;D
[10:00:58] <archivist> how is this for unreadable
http://www.archivist.info/tabs/STZC03.S
[10:01:54] <ganzuul> archivist: Seems to be inspired by spreadsheets...
[10:02:06] <archivist> actually database fields
[10:02:46] <archivist> even the programs are stored in tables
[10:03:21] <ganzuul> Something out of IBM mainframe-land?
[10:03:38] <XXCoder> not bad
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-New-arrival-Delta-3d-printer-with-Automatic-leveling-Upgraded-heatedbed-extra10m-filament-for-free-from/32418652860.html
[10:03:46] <archivist> well started out on Apples then unix
[10:03:50] <XXCoder> and yes seller has feedback. lots of it
[10:03:52] <archivist> app II
[10:06:32] <ganzuul> I suppose SQL seems like a good idea compared to that...
[10:06:41] <XXCoder> no
[10:06:48] <XXCoder> use COBOL
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[10:10:33] <ganzuul> Facebook's GraphQL might turn out very interesting.
[10:12:41] <jthornton> zlog
[10:12:41] <zlog> jthornton: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2015-10-11.html
[10:12:54] <XXCoder> yo
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[10:15:26] <jthornton> morning
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[10:18:01] <XXCoder> whats up
[10:18:27] <jthornton> waiting for the coffee and working on my go program
[10:18:30] <Contract_Pilot> Waiting on tracking Numbers
[10:18:39] <Contract_Pilot> may be out 190.00
[10:18:41] <jthornton> 6546576876316465655414
[10:20:19] <Contract_Pilot> Hope next week Mesa gets theie 7I76's instock.
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[10:26:57] <jthornton> now for the fun part figure out the start and end xyz of the arcs... I did it before in python
[10:27:04] <XXCoder> geez
https://i.chzbgr.com/full/7294409728/hA935726A/
[10:27:09] <XXCoder> thats so many cups
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[12:10:25] <anomynous_> jthornton, go program?
[12:10:56] <anomynous_> igo program? weiqi program? baduk program? ;D
[12:13:26] <jthornton> yea
[12:13:40] <jthornton> getting there :)
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[12:35:20] <jthornton> now that I have my sin cos right it works :)
[12:35:32] <jthornton> where is ssi when you want to brag
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[12:47:24] <jthornton> now to arrange by start and end points
[12:51:31] <MrSunshine> dammit, looks like my machine is waay of square .. and i cant find a square to check it with :/
[12:52:03] <XXCoder> cant make one?
[12:53:56] <archivist> you can make a square on a lathe if you have a micrometer
[12:54:00] <MrSunshine> how the heck would i make a square that has any kind of precision =)
[12:54:07] <MrSunshine> archivist: yes .. but this is over 1200mm
[12:54:10] <XXCoder> I know you can make parallel bar even with badly off mill
[12:54:10] <archivist> how I just said :)
[12:54:19] <XXCoder> not too sure hpow to square sides
[12:54:37] <MrSunshine> checking just a small piece of that isnt of much use imo .. sure i can see some but i do not see the overall state of the machine :/
[12:54:52] <archivist> MrSunshine, you can also use a laser pointer and mirror
[12:55:03] <XXCoder> MrSunshine: you can check squareness by checking corner to opposite corner lengths
[12:55:09] <XXCoder> both crosses should be equal
[12:55:12] <MrSunshine> but then that mirror would have to be at exactly 45 degrees? =)
[12:55:23] <XXCoder> if its not, one being longer it is not squared
[12:56:04] <XXCoder> that method isnt very accurate (you use tape mesture) but should be enough if it is waay off
[12:57:16] <archivist> see
http://www.opticaltools.co.uk/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=26&cat=Autocollimator
[12:57:38] <archivist> that and a precision mirror
[12:58:15] <archivist> http://www.brunson.us/metrology-optical-tooling-instrument-techniques/
[12:58:31] <MrSunshine> heh but thats not realy anything i pull out of my arse :P
[12:58:49] <XXCoder> MrSunshine: have you checked lengths?
[12:59:48] <MrSunshine> i guess i could throw a sheet in the machine and do 4 pokes in it and check them that way .. but question is .. how accurate will it be =)
[12:59:55] <archivist> MrSunshine, the older way was a tight wire and distance wire to axis
[12:59:58] <XXCoder> not awesome accurate
[13:00:10] <archivist> also use a level
[13:00:13] <XXCoder> but it will clearly show if it was that badly off true
[13:00:33] <archivist> machinists level to check for twist etc
[13:00:53] <XXCoder> archivist: can use dial indictor for that I guess
[13:01:02] <XXCoder> move it all over area see if its even
[13:01:37] <archivist> for flatness a 3 pointed device with dial indicator at the middle
[13:02:13] <XXCoder> I once used dial indictor to crudely find X length of part without removing part from fixture. it was .001" off from resultant actual size
[13:02:41] <XXCoder> it was 1 3/4 foot long rougly, and no caliper that big
[13:02:48] <XXCoder> 2 foot actually
[13:03:11] <MrSunshine> gonna order a 750mm DIN/2 angle and a 1000mm straight edge i think ... so i have something to measure with
[13:03:13] <archivist> http://what-when-how.com/metrology/alignment-tests-on-lathe-metrology/
[13:03:26] <MrSunshine> but its on back order or what its called so can take anywhere from 3 days to 3 months to get it
[13:03:36] <archivist> do you have a machine level?
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[13:04:34] <MrSunshine> yes
[13:04:47] <MrSunshine> but that wont help me much i guess ?
[13:05:29] <MrSunshine> its a flat bed nc machine im working on .. that is standing on a wood floor :P
[13:05:54] <archivist> keep still :)
[13:06:14] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252108037062 for square and level
[13:06:51] <archivist> I had to be very careful where I stood when setting up the 5 axis
[13:08:05] <MrSunshine> ah no, do not have one of those machine squares
[13:08:06] <archivist> and my surface plate is upstairs so a little difficult to use
[13:08:19] <XXCoder> abuse 123 blocks
[13:08:31] <MrSunshine> do not have any 123 blocks either :/
[13:08:42] <XXCoder> really? I bought some cheap
[13:08:45] <archivist> MrSunshine, it does both jobs of being a square and machine level
[13:09:05] <MrSunshine> archivist: yeah .. but thing is that i need a solution NOW not in 1 months time when stuff arives
[13:09:05] <MrSunshine> :/
[13:09:40] <archivist> here I am checking the CMM bed twist
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=cmm+level
[13:11:48] <jthornton> dang something is wrong with my math...
[13:12:05] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00092CJC6?psc=1
[13:12:16] <MrSunshine> i wonder how accurate the sides of my granite block is ... if its 90 degrees and stuff there or if its way of out there
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[13:12:38] <XXCoder> MrSunshine: your mill working?
[13:12:55] <MrSunshine> XXCoder: only have a realy small one .. and do not know if that is square ither :P
[13:12:56] <MrSunshine> either
[13:13:02] <XXCoder> if so is there a way to create 90 degree
[13:13:22] <archivist> is this your lathe you are checking?
[13:13:44] <MrSunshine> archivist: no .. a flatbed cnc machine
[13:13:48] <XXCoder> well all machine has bias but since youre cutting all steps at once at same time it will be nice and 90 degree, assuming your tool is stright
[13:13:49] <MrSunshine> X Y squareness
[13:14:00] <archivist> tape measure
[13:14:12] <XXCoder> do a spring cut to be very sure its flat
[13:14:16] <archivist> corner to corner, maths
[13:14:27] <XXCoder> archivist: thats what I suggested a bit ago :)
[13:14:36] <MrSunshine> archivist: yes .. and i guess that can get me quite close and maybe close enough
[13:14:43] <XXCoder> you now have nice and accurate 90 degrees
[13:15:07] <XXCoder> you can use it to make larger 90 degree mesturing tool
[13:15:11] <archivist> as long as sides are the same lengths etc
[13:15:30] <MrSunshine> problem is that i have to do it over and over if i have to tune something ... and that means alot of holes in something :P
[13:15:43] <XXCoder> paper
[13:15:56] <MrSunshine> big frekkin papers :P
[13:16:02] <XXCoder> hmm
[13:16:12] <MrSunshine> but i guess i could poke in papers yes .. and just get a small dot
[13:16:14] <MrSunshine> and measure
[13:16:39] <XXCoder> can tape papers to table yeah
[13:17:26] <archivist> pictures of the machine structure ?
[13:17:29] <XXCoder> well night
[13:17:39] <MrSunshine> archivist: i cant measure from any mechanical parts :/
[13:18:05] <archivist> you should be able to
[13:18:37] <MrSunshine> no .. ive built it .. by hand .. using tape measures, drillpress and angle grinder :P
[13:18:45] <MrSunshine> i know i cant trust very many thingies on it :P
[13:19:03] <archivist> nothing wrong with homebrew
[13:19:06] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1384257_10151923272758648_2037345409_n.jpg?oh=57dc3d1c2cbb9dd8edfbd30e5295da8b&oe=568D885C
[13:19:25] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/1604955_10152153395928648_760491462_n.jpg?oh=9ee0d3d16704f2f488bb3622308d83b8&oe=56D24E5D
[13:19:46] <XXCoder> wow your clearance is hardly taaller than my much smaller one
[13:19:50] <XXCoder> 4 inches?
[13:19:58] <MrSunshine> 90mm
[13:20:03] <MrSunshine> its for cutting sheets
[13:20:21] <XXCoder> your machine has same clearance.
[13:20:25] <XXCoder> makes sense
[13:20:31] <XXCoder> anyway night really going lol
[13:20:54] <MrSunshine> but paper and tape measure i guess has to be it this time
[13:20:59] <archivist> cable stretch, can the machine structure resist being pulled into a parallelogram
[13:21:05] <MrSunshine> as soon as i get a new machine this one is going to become a plasma insted =)
[13:21:58] <archivist> if not add a threaded rod cross corner to corner to make it rigid in the xy plane
[13:22:15] <MrSunshine> archivist: there are some new structures on it now to make the side beams not pull in and the cable is going on bearings in all 4 corners
[13:22:35] <MrSunshine> its there to keep the other end of the machine straight with the world
[13:23:33] <MrSunshine> archivist: but that might not be a bad idea for a upgrade for rigidity
[13:23:36] <archivist> I cant see how the corners are kept fixed
[13:23:46] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/1383492_10151904894628648_353794229_n.jpg?oh=0d3af3657051aa09450d6113a168b268&oe=56945220
[13:24:06] <MrSunshine> theres how the wire goes, it goes in a cross and is fixed to the both ends of the gantry
[13:24:27] <MrSunshine> so both ends are pulled at the same time by just pulling on one side
[13:24:30] <archivist> I see no parallelogram/shear force resisting members
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[13:25:27] <MrSunshine> like a draft tables does it
[13:25:31] <MrSunshine> or similiar
[13:26:18] <archivist> basically either a sheet bolted or a cross under the wires in the same direction
[13:27:25] <archivist> I would add two bits of threaded rod to adjust to square
[13:27:26] <MrSunshine> theres alot of stuff this machine could use .. but do not have time atm to start modifying it ... trying to get it squared up acceptably so i can be on my merry way with making some money
[13:28:09] <archivist> well a small delay and no scrap, or carry on making some scrap :)
[13:28:31] <MrSunshine> the machine has already been down 3 days for table upgrade
[13:28:34] <archivist> are the wires tight enough too
[13:29:05] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI0n521C7E
[13:29:31] <MrSunshine> they have slacked some .. but when you mentioned that i think im going to losen the non driven end to check if it bounces back .. depending on where the cables have slackaned that could be one cause for it to be way off
[13:29:32] <archivist> is there a simple adjustment on one side of the gantry to adjust to square
[13:30:41] <archivist> a wire problem probably will sow as a squareness variation with drive direction
[13:32:20] <MrSunshine> oh well, the tape measure and some checking of the wires etc and it should be good enough for some wood working =)
[13:45:11] <archivist> a builders/carpenters marking out square is probably good enough
[13:45:24] <archivist> local diy place
[13:46:27] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Carpenters-Heavy-Duty-Steel-Framing-Square-400-x-600mm-Marking-Out-Tool-Roofing-/361162568446
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[14:42:35] <anomynous> hmhmhm
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[14:45:42] <anomynous> i wonder if apt replacement would be tedious to make. like describe profiles and hole places, and describe hole properties for automatic tool selection from library... and maybe something ;D
[14:45:47] <anomynous> itd be cool
[14:46:40] <archivist> take its language and implement a new version
[14:47:07] <anomynous> i have a limited amount of free time and im terribly bad programmer ;D
[14:47:26] <archivist> awww
[14:47:35] <anomynous> how cute. You could do it for me? ;D
[14:47:39] <anomynous> just kiddying
[14:47:57] <archivist> http://www.archivist.info/apt/docs/
[14:47:57] <anomynous> would be phun if someone else would be interested too.
[14:48:01] <anomynous> ah
[14:48:11] <anomynous> thanks
[14:48:17] <anomynous> it is good as a language?
[14:49:09] <anomynous> i guess
[14:49:10] <archivist> not sure, but I suppose it was the first, and lives on hidden under later graphical stuff
[14:49:33] <anomynous> i have nothing against graphical stuff except for price and being complicated to program ;D
[14:50:52] <anomynous> links dont work
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[14:51:30] <archivist> a little something I was playing with
http://www.archivist.info/apt/aptos/apt360/orig_source/ftnchek/ACALSP.html
[14:51:33] <anomynous> python re module has an example of a parser. I guess I will start with that ;D
[14:53:24] <archivist> the links do work in this version
http://www.archivist.info/apt/aptos/apt360/doc/manual/index.html
[14:53:27] <anomynous> you need to put the gotos in a jump table instead of spreading them all over your chart ;D
[14:53:54] <archivist> that is an automated parse of the original code
[14:54:50] <anomynous> you need automatic diagram formatter.
[14:54:57] <anomynous> im tired ;)
[14:57:34] <archivist> that was automatic
[14:58:09] <archivist> very clear compared to the source :)
[14:59:16] <archivist> eg
http://www.archivist.info/apt/aptos/apt360/orig_source/ftnchek/ACALSP.FOR
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[15:16:06] <PetefromTn_> hello folks whats going on in LinuxCNC land today?
[15:16:31] <zeeshan> howdy
[15:16:38] <PetefromTn_> hey zeeshan
[15:16:39] <archivist> nuffink, I doing some thermal rubbish disposal
[15:16:43] <jthornton> calculating Cartesian coordinates from polar coordinates
[15:16:54] <PetefromTn_> heh okay
[15:16:56] <jthornton> or trying to
[15:17:08] <zeeshan> jthornton: how are you doing it
[15:17:17] <zeeshan> just like x and y
[15:17:19] <zeeshan> into r theta?
[15:17:48] <PetefromTn_> just got a fellow from Poland commenting on my facebook page for my products....;)
[15:17:49] <jthornton> I have the XY start point and the angle and the lengh of the line
[15:17:54] <jthornton> length
[15:18:05] <jthornton> trying to sort out the math
[15:18:13] <PetefromTn_> yesterday I sold two rails one to a fellow in Spain and another to a guy in Mexico
[15:18:21] * jthornton has to work hard at math
[15:18:23] <PetefromTn_> never thought I would have so many international orders
[15:18:32] <jthornton> nice, how do you ship them?
[15:18:39] <zeeshan> the length of the line and theta is all you should need
[15:18:44] <PetefromTn_> usually USPS priority mail international
[15:18:44] <zeeshan> and consider your xy start point as origin
[15:19:02] <zeeshan> then length of line cos angle will give you the x coordinate
[15:19:07] <zeeshan> and length of line sin angle will give you the y
[15:19:27] <zeeshan> (unless i misunderstood :{ )
[15:19:33] <archivist> and add your resultant xy to origin
[15:19:57] <jthornton> that's pretty much what I'm doing I think but it's not coming out right for all angles
[15:20:37] <archivist> some libraries are a bit crap at small angles
[15:20:53] <jthornton> like lenght of 2 and angle of 90 the X should be 0 + the origin and the Y should be -6 + the origin I think
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[15:22:26] <archivist> at 0,90,180,270 it is a plain add/subtract from the correct axis, where did you get that 6 from
[15:22:55] <jthornton> it was the lenght of the line
[15:23:14] <jthornton> yea that must be the problem
[15:23:18] <archivist> you just said <jthornton> like lenght of 2 and angle of 90
[15:23:58] <jthornton> I have 6 on my playgound and just picked 2 for an example
[15:25:11] <jthornton> hmm seems to be kinda working now
http://play.golang.org/p/LkLP0vo1yI
[15:25:53] <zeeshan> how do you test a 3 phase ac motor :D
[15:25:57] * zeeshan reads about it online
[15:26:01] <zeeshan> 3 phase ac servo
[15:26:59] <jthornton> http://play.golang.org/p/e0-0mGLpud
[15:27:34] <jthornton> I think that is correct...
[15:28:22] <zeeshan> looks good to me :P
[15:28:31] <zeeshan> what language is that
[15:28:36] <zeeshan> looks like c++?
[15:28:39] <jthornton> yea, I'm getting the correct answer now
[15:28:43] <jthornton> golang
[15:28:47] <jthornton> go for short
[15:28:52] <zeeshan> ah
[15:28:57] <jthornton> pretty new
[15:29:58] <MrSunshine> archivist: haha those kinds of squares i have for building stuff .. and they are almost not good enough for that
[15:30:45] <jthornton> ok a bit better
http://play.golang.org/p/mBD8fW658p
[15:30:50] <MrSunshine> looks like it wasnt as bad as i thought .. had the vacuum table 1mm off on the frame also .. looks alot better now but will try and measure anyway to see before i start cutting into it =)
[15:31:54] <Akex_> Hy all
[15:32:37] <Akex_> Can i find in var file the tool number on the spindle ? Or not ? Please
[15:32:58] <Sync> zeeshan: measure phase/phase resistance
[15:33:02] <Sync> hipot to case
[15:33:04] <JT-Shop> that should be there
[15:33:07] <zeeshan> i wanna spin
[15:33:12] <zeeshan> the other tests i did :P
[15:33:16] <Sync> just use a vfd
[15:33:17] <Akex_> Thanks JT-Shop
[15:33:29] <Akex_> You are my king JT-Shop ;)
[15:33:56] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#sub:numbered-parameters
[15:34:20] <Akex_> JT-Shop: can i reload the tool table without push the buton ? With gcode or other ?
[15:35:49] <JT-Shop> well anyone can answer that lol
[15:36:13] <JT-Shop> G10 L1, L10, and L11 all reload the tool table IIRC
[15:36:37] <Akex_> Anyone want answer me without you ;(
[15:37:03] <Akex_> Ha ok i don t kneaw , it automatic reload
[15:37:09] <archivist> those not doing would have to read the manual for you
[15:37:13] <Akex_> Thanks
[15:37:16] <JT-Shop> halui also has the tool number
[15:37:39] <Akex_> archivist: ... No coment
[15:37:57] * JT-Shop should be doing something...
[15:38:01] <archivist> I Akex_ I dont use those g codes
[15:38:27] <Akex_> Ha ok sorry
[15:38:34] <Akex_> Me i use it
[15:39:54] <archivist> zeeshan, a long one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221904430246
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[15:40:22] <Akex_> Ok i understand JT-Shop thanks
[15:41:59] <Akex_> I assume 5400 - Tool Number. Volatile.
[15:42:15] <zeeshan> 0.0005 / 10 in
[15:42:16] <zeeshan> hmm
[15:42:23] <zeeshan> says may not post to canada
[15:42:23] <zeeshan> =[
[15:42:54] <Akex_> If i write that : G10 L10 P#5400 Z0 that right ?
[15:43:34] <archivist> zeeshan, could collect only 25 miles north of me
[15:43:56] <zeeshan> don't want to hassle :P
[15:44:07] <zeeshan> io emailed him
[15:44:11] <zeeshan> saying can you ship to canada
[15:44:18] <zeeshan> lets hope he responds :P
[15:44:40] <archivist> about the first time I have seen an 18" one
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[16:04:18] <aventtini6> hellooo
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[16:35:16] <zeeshan> ssi around? :)
[16:39:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hamarlaser.com/index.php/products/continuously-sweeping-lasers/l-741-ultra-precision-leveling-laser-with-plumb-beam-detail.html maybe if these were <$200 handy people would be able to make better better DIY machine tools and 3D printers
[16:41:12] <PetefromTn_> no amount of tech and quality measurement will help make some of these pipe cleaner and chop stix builds better ;)
[16:41:22] <CaptHindsight> or am I overestimating DIYers again
[16:41:33] <PetefromTn_> there you go again...:D
[16:41:46] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Hey now, I buy chop stick by the gross, great for everything.
[16:42:05] <PetefromTn_> yup great for lots of stuff.....just not CNC machines
[16:42:37] <PetefromTn_> I use them to wipe bondo on with and clean up grease goo
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[16:43:11] <Jymmm> and they wont scratch things either
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[16:43:22] <PetefromTn_> they make a good back scratcher?
[16:43:35] <CaptHindsight> Bondo. Is that the stuff to convert oxidized sheet metal to plastic?
[16:43:48] <Jymmm> Well, I DO have a bamboo backs cratcher, but not from chopsticks
[16:44:01] <PetefromTn_> no that is fiberglass.....bondo is for making BIG holes disappear
[16:44:16] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[16:44:24] <PetefromTn_> I once bought TWO suzuki samurais
[16:44:28] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: does it have the name of an amusement park on it?
[16:44:33] <PetefromTn_> got a great deal on them
[16:44:46] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yep "Made In China"
[16:44:46] <PetefromTn_> one was a hard top the other a vert
[16:44:59] <PetefromTn_> the hardtop was actually lowered GASP
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[16:45:10] <PetefromTn_> and it APPEARED to have some sort of bolt on body kit on it
[16:45:19] <PetefromTn_> had like raised hood areas
[16:45:23] <PetefromTn_> and arched fenders
[16:45:30] <PetefromTn_> but it was pretty rough
[16:45:32] <CaptHindsight> Top 10 items found in a souvenir shop
[16:45:35] <PetefromTn_> so I started sanding it
[16:45:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight:
http://bulk.dollartree.com/shop/Back-Scratcher
[16:45:48] <PetefromTn_> before I realized it the grinder went right thru the bondo
[16:45:55] <PetefromTn_> and then thru MORE bondo
[16:45:59] <PetefromTn_> and then some more
[16:46:16] <PetefromTn_> by this time my whole body is white as is most of my driveway
[16:46:32] <PetefromTn_> an inch or so later I hit this FOAM
[16:46:41] <PetefromTn_> then it goes right down to the metal
[16:46:58] <PetefromTn_> which of course was rusted to death because of the foam that trapped moisture in there
[16:47:03] <CaptHindsight> the art of the bondo wagon
[16:47:05] <PetefromTn_> took me TWO weeks
[16:47:09] <zeeshan> lol
[16:47:11] <PetefromTn_> to remove all that bullshit
[16:47:20] <PetefromTn_> and get it down to a samurai again
[16:47:30] <PetefromTn_> it actually looked pretty good when I was finised!
[16:47:36] <PetefromTn_> finished
[16:47:39] <Wolf_> sounds sorta like my early bronco
[16:47:44] <Wolf_> except no foam
[16:48:06] <CaptHindsight> I like it when people use Bondo rather than a body hammer
[16:48:07] <renesis> haha @ grinding off someones bondo ricer body kit
[16:48:11] <Wolf_> but the front door plates were fully bondo
[16:48:22] <renesis> add 40lb of bondo = +5hp
[16:48:24] <Wolf_> *hinge plates
[16:48:25] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[16:48:29] <PetefromTn_> it was kinda funny actually
[16:48:31] <MrSunshine> hmm, so i tried to cross measure ... given some human error i get it to be 1654.5 and 1653 in the other .. so a total diff of 1.5mm in the cross
[16:48:40] <PetefromTn_> someone put a LOT of work into molding all that shit
[16:48:54] <MrSunshine> how to get that to how much i have to move the axis to get it dead straight? :P
[16:49:01] <PetefromTn_> took a long time to remove it all
[16:49:10] <PetefromTn_> I would have left it if some of it was not damaged
[16:49:15] <PetefromTn_> but in retrospect
[16:49:26] <PetefromTn_> since I lifted it and took it out in the woods to four wheel
[16:49:42] <PetefromTn_> it would have been fairly hilarious the first time I bounced it off a tree or a rock
[16:49:53] <PetefromTn_> to see all that bondo and foam go flying
[16:50:04] <PetefromTn_> hehehe
[16:50:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.lxforums.com/gallery/files/6/4/9/9/ghetto.jpg was it this thick?
[16:50:36] <PetefromTn_> heh probably thicker
[16:50:48] <PetefromTn_> my wife called it the Vatomobile
[16:51:07] <PetefromTn_> I guess down in socal that is a common thing
[16:51:27] <archivist> MrSunshine, about 1/2 the diff
[16:51:40] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Well, They always did great work, doubt I'd see THAT much bondo.
[16:51:55] <MrSunshine> archivist: so im about 0.75mm off from square then ? =)
[16:52:16] <PetefromTn_> jeez man they must bought fifty gallons of that shit for this poor samurai
[16:52:43] <PetefromTn_> speaking of lifted offroad toys
[16:52:50] <PetefromTn_> I was driving in town the other day
[16:52:54] <PetefromTn_> and passed this guy
[16:53:08] <archivist> MrSunshine, but your carriage squareness to table is also adjustable by where you attach to one side of the wire
[16:53:11] <PetefromTn_> he had what looked like a MONSTER rock crawling Isuzu Amigo
[16:53:17] <PetefromTn_> it looked pretty sweet
[16:53:26] <Wolf_> great work? guess you never seen the dumber ones building a house, they used 3 pallets of drywall mud....
[16:53:33] <PetefromTn_> I tried to turn around to chase him down and chat about it
[16:53:42] <Wolf_> in a house across from my moms
[16:53:48] <PetefromTn_> but got caught at a light
[16:54:02] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Heh, the kid (14yo) across the street has 54" tires =)
[16:54:06] <PetefromTn_> Wolf_ I think he means some of the better lowriders
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[16:54:31] <PetefromTn_> I ahve seen some SICK custom paint jobs and mods on them
[16:54:31] <Jymmm> what PetefromTn_ said
[16:54:49] <PetefromTn_> some of their air brushing is phenominal
[16:54:58] <Wolf_> yeah, but most of them aren’t build worth a shit
[16:54:58] <PetefromTn_> if you like that scene
[16:55:15] <PetefromTn_> I used to be into mini trucks when I was a kid
[16:55:18] <MrSunshine> so adjust it away from the "long" measurment and towards the short by about 0.75mm .. i can do that .. i hop
[16:55:21] <MrSunshine> e
[16:55:21] <Jymmm> Bullshit...
http://xmanshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Lowrider-Night-3rd-Ave-cruise_0022.jpg
[16:55:30] <PetefromTn_> loved the lowrider mini toyotas and chevys
[16:55:34] <Wolf_> but in this area most of them are dumb as a box of rocks
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[16:55:53] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah old school rides are sweet too
[16:56:07] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say I kinda like that amigo when built right
[16:56:08] <Jymmm> I think there are more custom shops in SoCal than anywhere else in the US
[16:56:15] <PetefromTn_> reminds me of a longer samurai
[16:56:21] <PetefromTn_> with four REAL seats LOL
[16:56:39] <PetefromTn_> I actually meant WAY south cal
[16:56:45] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[16:57:31] <PetefromTn_> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/isuzu/925954d1371339484-facelift-my-amigo-001.jpg I swear I would daily drive this :D
[16:58:13] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Till the gas bill came in =)
[16:58:24] <PetefromTn_> its just a four or six
[16:58:38] <PetefromTn_> I literally daily drove my lifted samurai's for years
[16:58:42] <PetefromTn_> one was on 35's
[16:58:49] <PetefromTn_> its all in the gearing
[16:58:56] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: It's a samuri, aka tin can
[16:59:06] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: pot metal (iterally)
[16:59:13] <Jymmm> literally*
[16:59:16] <PetefromTn_> toughest pot metal car I ever owned
[16:59:23] <PetefromTn_> seriously
[16:59:33] <Jymmm> only pot pmetal car in existance I think =)
[16:59:34] <PetefromTn_> I BEAT THE SHIT out of those trucks
[16:59:43] <PetefromTn_> never had any problems
[17:00:10] <PetefromTn_> usually wheeled all weekend and then pressure washed it so I could drive it to work the next day LOL
[17:00:30] <Jymmm> It's funny, noody wanted them for frear of tipping, now being made into wheelers =)
[17:00:45] <PetefromTn_> it is hilarious actually
[17:00:55] <PetefromTn_> they are hugely popular all around the world
[17:01:03] <PetefromTn_> they make long wheelbase versions
[17:01:08] <Jymmm> There are a few I see around town
[17:01:15] <PetefromTn_> and they sell em like hotcakes
[17:01:23] <PetefromTn_> but here in the US
[17:01:32] <PetefromTn_> one ad from consumer reports and they are done
[17:01:38] <PetefromTn_> ridiculous
[17:02:10] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkJRY7DBeRs
[17:03:18] <Jymmm> hahahaha
[17:03:52] <PetefromTn_> hehe try that in a Toyota four runner and it would have been a rollover
[17:05:05] <anomynous> why would anyone try that unless the car was a toy?
[17:05:46] <renesis> how do you know it wasnt?
[17:05:56] <PetefromTn_> Oh it was
[17:05:57] <anomynous> its possible to tip it when dodging, but that doesn't count anyway because no one has filmed it.
[17:06:00] <PetefromTn_> so was mine :D
[17:06:16] <renesis> what rock crawler isnt
[17:06:21] <PetefromTn_> I have literally owned like six of them
[17:06:37] <PetefromTn_> never had one close to tipping on the street and I drove it like I stole it
[17:06:46] <PetefromTn_> most of mine were lifted on huge tires too
[17:06:49] <anomynous> literally? Do you normally own them by borrowing and then tipping them?
[17:07:00] <Wolf_> well designed rock crawler won’t have too much higher of a CG
[17:07:02] <PetefromTn_> I did flop one on its side on the trail
[17:07:25] <PetefromTn_> we just got out and pushed it back on its wheels, got back in, and finished the trail
[17:07:56] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TORsReXnd24 this is a pretty nice one
[17:10:13] <Wolf_> add bad enough driver and they can flip anything from what I have seen
[17:11:33] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/NvMMLDR.jpg
[17:11:34] <renesis> anything with bouncy suspension
[17:11:51] <Wolf_> you would be surprised at the things I’ve had to roll back over...
[17:12:05] <renesis> ha
[17:13:28] <Wolf_> corvette (soft top), lamborghini diablo are two of the odder things
[17:14:42] <Wolf_> lamb didn’t get rolled back on to the tires at the scene, it went on the roll back with the greasy side up
[17:16:40] <renesis> wait you just dragged an upside down diablo onto a truck?
[17:16:52] <Wolf_> yup
[17:16:59] <renesis> heh, cool
[17:17:23] <Wolf_> couldn’t get the damn thing to flip back up, didn’t have enough stuff on the truck
[17:18:21] <Wolf_> guy flipped it on a 35mph street
[17:20:24] <CaptHindsight> someone once flipped a cargo van in the alley behind my house, hit a fence perfectly and there was only ~2ft of clearance on each side
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[17:21:19] <CaptHindsight> think they had to get a crane to lift it and right it
[17:21:27] <PetefromTn_> I have never flipped a vehilcle. Don't really want to try it :D
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[17:21:47] <PetefromTn_> I had a friend who built this tube crawler locally
[17:21:58] <PetefromTn_> he used to TRY to flip it every time we went wheeling
[17:22:25] <CaptHindsight> was similar to the scene in Up in Smoke, tires screeching and when the smoke clears there's no clearance between the bumpers of the cars
[17:22:31] <PetefromTn_> even when I flopped my samurai on the trail that time it was kind of a gentle flop
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[17:22:52] <PetefromTn_> just kinda tried to climb this muddy wet wall
[17:23:01] <PetefromTn_> and it got the front tires up on it
[17:23:06] <PetefromTn_> then started slipping
[17:23:11] <PetefromTn_> rolled backwards
[17:23:24] <PetefromTn_> right rear tire hit a big ass rock
[17:23:36] <PetefromTn_> and we were already on a considerable angle
[17:23:47] <PetefromTn_> so it just kinda rolled over slowly
[17:24:00] <PetefromTn_> just dented the top of the door frame a little
[17:24:15] <PetefromTn_> scratched the paint on the targa bar
[17:24:23] <PetefromTn_> no biggie
[17:24:34] <PetefromTn_> as they say....chicks dig body damage :D
[17:24:45] <Wolf_> :D
[17:26:39] <PetefromTn_> I really miss that kind of wheeling
[17:26:50] <PetefromTn_> its lots of fun
[17:28:41] <PetefromTn_> http://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/cto/5207496856.html This looks like a fun truck
[17:32:23] <PetefromTn_> needs MOAR steel tho bumpers, sliders, racks, rollcages....!
[17:35:04] <Wolf_> exo cage that thing
[17:35:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah man.. gotsta protect that shiny sheetmetal!
[17:36:17] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy1kif7wJ8M
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[19:33:04] <malcom2073> Got my spindle turning, and X/Y steppers hooked up and ready to go
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[19:33:25] <Wolf_> sweet
[19:33:35] <malcom2073> My dad had a $20 2.2KW vfd that seems to work fine
[19:33:42] <malcom2073> Gotta love ebay
[19:33:58] <MrSunshine> how the heck do you know how much flowrate you need for x size table in a vacuum table
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[19:34:45] <MrSunshine> that is, how big of a pump to draw vacuum in a 1200x1200 table ...
[19:35:17] <Sync> calculate your desired pressure
[19:35:23] <Sync> then your orfice area
[19:35:27] <Sync> and then you get your flow
[19:35:50] <MrSunshine> well how do i know the orifice area with a bleeder board :P
[19:36:17] <Sync> your know your worst case
[19:37:16] <Connor> I built a little 12" x 8" vacuum table.
[19:37:43] <Connor> Uses my big shop vac.
[19:37:51] <MrSunshine> well, bleeder board .. that would be full open then i guess, ... maybe 50% cut throught in a bad case .. and the preasure i dont know realy .. atm ive tried with industrial vacuum and that holds sheets hard (without bleeder board)
[19:38:12] <MrSunshine> but looking at regenerative blowers now ... not as expensive as i thought realy
[19:38:30] <Connor> MrSunshine: Give it a go with the vacuum first and see how it does.
[19:38:32] <MrSunshine> tho would take some time to get the investment back .. but with shorter clamping times and stuff work would go alot smoother =)
[19:38:38] <Nick001-shop> <PCW> you around?
[19:38:55] <Connor> Most large ones I've seen use a vacuum pump with a tank.
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[19:39:44] <SpeedEvil> A shopvac can get up to 30% of atmosphere - and great flow.
[19:39:47] <Connor> Wait. Doh.. Your talking vacuum table.. for some reason I was thinking vacuum form table..
[19:40:34] <Connor> Still half asleep.
[19:41:59] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil: mine does like 1/3rd of what a blower does in both vacuum and flow
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[19:53:13] <OhmEye> vacuum tables are for holding materials down only, not for dust collection, right?
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[19:54:44] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: yes
[19:54:59] <MrSunshine> but i guess some small particles could find its way throught the bleeder
[19:56:19] <SpeedEvil> spindle motor?
[19:56:22] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMQjcukphpA 300kw
[19:56:36] <OhmEye> thanks. I'm not clear on how it works in practice. the material to be milled is clamped or taped to sacrificial material, and the vacuum holds down the sacrificial material?
[19:57:09] <SpeedEvil> OhmEye: Or you can have complex gasketed fittings
[19:57:53] <Jymmm> Whats good to recondition a leather hatchet sheath?
[19:58:14] <Wolf_> lexol
[19:58:56] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Nah, I'm being cheap here. Oil of some kind?
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[19:59:14] <OhmEye> thanks. I'll look for some examples. Seems to me the vacuum table needs the entire surface covered to get a good seal, plus can eat quite a bit of Z range so something I probably won't be doing, but am curious how people do it
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[20:12:42] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: you just throw the sheet in on a bleeder vacuum bed
[20:12:58] <MrSunshine> no gaskets .. just a heck of alot of air flow
[20:14:29] <OhmEye> MrSunshine: is it common to not use a sheet of sacrificial material?
[20:14:50] <MrSunshine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTCdFlHN17o first test of the plentum on my table . gonna see how it works with a bleeder tomorrow, the square holding it down is about 60x60cm and calculated force of about 500kg holding the sheet down =)
[20:14:59] <MrSunshine> im tugging quite hard on it to move it =)
[20:15:12] <MrSunshine> harder than my clamps would ever hold the sheet =)
[20:15:31] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: well with alot of flow you should not need to fix the material to something
[20:15:31] <OhmEye> I can see how it is ideal for routing only, I'm unsure how convenient it is for cutting
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[20:15:56] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: ah for cnc applications its all about gaskets and real good vacuum =)
[20:15:56] <OhmEye> yeah, but cutting into the vacuum table I assume is not desired
[20:16:07] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: thereby a bleeder board
[20:16:14] <os1r1s> OhmEye: Hey stranger
[20:16:34] <MrSunshine> a pourous sacrificial board .. so i guess there is an extra board there :P
[20:16:37] <OhmEye> oh, gotcha. bleeder board is sacrificial. makes sense now ,thanks
[20:16:43] <OhmEye> hi os1r1s :)
[20:16:51] <Jymmm> OhmEye: Instead of doing a "grid", I've sene some that do a lot of "crosses" (+) with a hole in the middel.
[20:17:18] <Jymmm> OhmEye: Then if you cut into it, there is still some "grip" area
[20:17:26] <os1r1s> OhmEye: What size part?
[20:17:30] <OhmEye> yeah, makes total sense now
[20:17:43] <OhmEye> os1r1s: just general curiosity atm
[20:18:05] <OhmEye> I don't think I really have enough Z to do a vacuum table
[20:18:10] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: yeah, and open so the vacuum can be sucked throught it =)
[20:19:08] <OhmEye> one vacuum for dust will do for now for me but I'm early in the learning curve
[20:19:16] <MrSunshine> and good thing about vacuum table for router is that sheets are not flat .. but with vacuum table .. they become flat :P
[20:20:09] <MrSunshine> had to build one for a job i got in now ... will have screw inserts for clamping manualy also on the table =)
[20:20:12] <OhmEye> this is just a chinese 3020 and I have little enough Z to even change bits without adding table height, heh
[20:20:50] <Nick001-shop> <pcw_home>
[20:21:04] <Jymmm> OhmEye: how much Z ?
[20:21:05] <OhmEye> I did get first motion and first program run last night though.
[20:21:06] <os1r1s> OhmEye: I use one of these ....
http://www.clampusystems.com/SMART.html
[20:21:09] <MrSunshine> OhmEye: hehe .. im losing like 25 - 30mm of Z travel on this mod
[20:21:24] <OhmEye> Jymmm: about 30mm usable Z atm
[20:21:25] <MrSunshine> if it comes to it i will space up the Z or the whole X/Y/Z assembly
[20:21:46] <OhmEye> I had to move the spindle up to get that much, heh
[20:21:46] <Jymmm> OhmEye: is your base rigid?
[20:21:54] <OhmEye> Jymmm: yes
[20:22:10] <Jymmm> OhmEye: just use 1/8" material for the vacuum table
[20:22:12] <OhmEye> it's a typical cnc3020Z
[20:23:21] <OhmEye> Jymmm: I'll consider the options, thanks
[20:23:51] <Jymmm> OhmEye: what are you routing?
[20:24:44] <OhmEye> Jymmm: just cutting CF plate mostly, I hope
[20:24:47] <MrSunshine> ive needver needed a vacuum table for work before but now ive got one that has some precise angles etc on the sides of parts and they need to be held real flat, else i would go with tabs and just clamps =)
[20:25:20] <Jymmm> OhmEye: ah
[20:27:15] <OhmEye> the specs claim 60mm Z, but it's really more like 45mm, and with some MDF down it's more like 30mm, so I have to raise Z all the way to have enough room to slip bits in/out
[20:27:56] <OhmEye> works fine, just somewhat tight
[20:28:14] <OhmEye> I'm hoping to minimize tool changes anyway
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[20:30:22] <OhmEye> I do want to figure out how to control spindle speed with linuxcnc though. I supposedly have PWM control but it doesn't seem to work as I have it set up
[20:32:17] <OhmEye> I have the sherline parallel port pin setup which is working for everything else so I think that's right but not sure of other PWM settings. I haven't looked into it yet and am still running the spindle with the manual control
[20:36:22] <jthornton> ssi, you about?
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[21:04:04] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/6aAVL7M inefficient water pumping.
[21:04:27] <jthornton> tjt
[21:05:54] <jthornton> I wonder if I should create a new slice after searching the old slice for the elements in the order that I want them...\
[21:06:28] <zeeshan> do you americanas
[21:06:32] <zeeshan> have tomorrow off?
[21:06:38] <zeeshan> or is your next weekend the long weekend
[21:06:50] <jthornton> dunno, I'm self employed
[21:07:07] <jthornton> I have next friday and monday off cause my wife said so
[21:10:38] <jthornton> post office has the day off
[21:15:45] <Tom_itx> what is tomorrow?
[21:16:17] <Wolf_> lost spaniard day
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[21:23:26] <XXCoderMill> heys
[21:23:50] <XXCoderMill> I have adjusted so it runs lot better but it still jams randomly :(
[21:24:18] <XXCoderMill> it ran at 500 mm/s^2 accel fine but later 50 mm/s^2 jams
[21:24:57] <XXCoderMill> or maybe stall is better word
[21:27:35] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:31:25] <zeeshan> thanksgiving up here
[21:31:26] <XXCoderMill> guess nobody knows
[21:31:38] <XXCoderMill> nice
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[21:32:10] <zeeshan> XXCoderMill: you might have screw binding?
[21:32:20] <zeeshan> there is a lot of reasons why that could happen :P
[21:32:23] <zeeshan> maybe jitter too?
[21:32:31] <XXCoderMill> how do I tell? motor sounds really rough when resetting
[21:32:43] <zeeshan> take the motor off
[21:32:45] <zeeshan> and try to turn it by hand
[21:32:53] <zeeshan> do you have 2 motor per axis
[21:32:54] <zeeshan> or 2
[21:32:55] <zeeshan> er
[21:32:55] <zeeshan> 1
[21:33:02] <XXCoderMill> one yeah
[21:33:10] <zeeshan> okay, i would really check for binding
[21:33:11] <XXCoderMill> ok lemme remove one
[21:33:14] <zeeshan> and eliminate any mechanical causes
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[21:38:51] <Wolf_> this is why big steppers are nice, binding, no problem when you have enough torque to break shit
http://i.imgur.com/GnZe96O.jpg
[21:42:49] <MrSunshine> hahaha
[21:42:51] <MrSunshine> n1 =)
[21:43:06] <MrSunshine> i wanna upgrade my steppers to easy servos
[21:43:11] <MrSunshine> but big investment
[21:43:36] <Wolf_> I have servo motors but everyone is telling me they are too big
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[21:58:01] <jthornton> now I need to pick through the slice until the slice is empty
[21:59:21] <XXCoderMill> Wolf_: lol
[21:59:26] <XXCoderMill> hey zeeshan
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[21:59:48] <XXCoderMill> I finally removed it I dont have quite correct tool for antibacklash coupler bolts lol
[22:01:13] <XXCoderMill> zeeshan: x axis ballscrews move very smoothly
[22:01:26] <XXCoderMill> can easily turn by fingers
[22:03:24] <XXCoderMill> .. what the hell
[22:03:47] <XXCoderMill> trying to put what happened into words
[22:03:52] <Wolf_> could be odd resonance issue
[22:04:25] <pcw_home> Yeah, stalls at low accelerations may be caused by resonance
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[22:04:34] <XXCoderMill> at 400 mm s limit, 50 mm/s^2 accel
[22:04:53] <XXCoderMill> it starts with bit roughness, smoothly increases
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[22:05:09] <pcw_home> thats _very_ slow accel
[22:05:14] <XXCoderMill> then it makes noises I can still feel it ngoing but coupler dont turn
[22:05:41] <pcw_home> what uStep ratio?
[22:05:47] <XXCoderMill> it feels really roughly again and it starts to spin again
[22:06:20] <XXCoderMill> ustep is called what in stepconf?
[22:07:06] <pcw_home> microstep ratio maybe, not sure
[22:07:21] * pcw_home doesnt use stepconf much
[22:07:22] <XXCoderMill> its 2
[22:07:31] <pcw_home> try higher
[22:07:39] <XXCoderMill> tb6560 is set to 2 microstep too
[22:07:42] <XXCoderMill> ok
[22:08:01] <pcw_home> 1/2 stepping is going to be as smooth as a pig on stilts
[22:08:05] <XXCoderMill> 16 feels... nasty ow
[22:08:30] <Wolf_> don’t forget to power cycle the stepper driver
[22:08:41] <Wolf_> after setting step ratio on it
[22:09:14] <XXCoderMill> actually wantesd to ask this
[22:09:29] <XXCoderMill> is it safe to power off tb6560 while pc is on? and power it on?
[22:09:34] <XXCoderMill> dont wanna fry something
[22:09:48] <Wolf_> yeah thats fine
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[22:10:02] <Wolf_> I power down my drivers all the time with the pc on
[22:11:38] <XXCoderMill> whats sane velocity and accel limits for 3a steppers?
[22:11:47] <XXCoderMill> nema23 if that matters
[22:12:09] <Wolf_> a lot depends...
[22:12:26] <pcw_home> yeah, how long is a string...
[22:12:50] <XXCoderMill> at 50/500 and microstep 1 it works fine but turning around feels hmm loud
[22:13:40] <pcw_home> 1? full steps?
[22:13:48] <XXCoderMill> yeah testing stuff
[22:14:26] <XXCoderMill> while its moving one direction its smooth but turning around for other direction it feels loud but not nasty like before
[22:14:32] <pcw_home> normally you increase the ustep ratio to reduce resonance effects
[22:15:25] <pcw_home> if its different forward and back that sounds like a mechancal issue
[22:16:03] <XXCoderMill> no
[22:16:13] <XXCoderMill> its changing direction not any specific direction
[22:16:22] <XXCoderMill> deaccel then accerate other way
[22:16:37] <XXCoderMill> oh I changed wrong setting
[22:16:57] <XXCoderMill> dip 1 and 2 is percents 0%, 25, 50 and 100%. 100% now I guess
[22:17:07] <XXCoderMill> unknown what it means as it doesnt say
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[22:17:21] <XXCoderMill> http://www.sostafiera.it/tb6560.pdf
[22:17:25] <Wolf_> maybe current limiting
[22:17:51] <XXCoderMill> 100% current
[22:18:00] <XXCoderMill> maybe it wasnt getting enough
[22:18:20] <XXCoderMill> I set microstep to 2 and it seems fine (1 wasntt right as it was still 2 on board)
[22:19:23] <Wolf_> TB650 :(
[22:19:33] <Wolf_> er 6560
[22:19:35] <XXCoderMill> 6560
[22:19:38] <XXCoderMill> but yeah
[22:19:47] <XXCoderMill> weell it was $120 kit lol
[22:19:55] <XXCoderMill> lemme try 4 microstep
[22:20:33] <pcw_home> the more the merrier until you run out of velocity
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[22:23:07] <Wolf_> handy info
[22:23:16] <Wolf_> I should re-tune my x1
[22:23:29] <pcw_home> (or step driver input bandwidth if your step generator can outrun the driver)
[22:24:09] <XXCoderMill> no 4 trying 1/8 step
[22:26:06] <XXCoderMill> not very good
[22:26:15] <XXCoderMill> I can sett its skipping constantly
[22:26:33] <XXCoderMill> it speeds up, then slow down to even speed missing certain number of steps
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[22:27:35] <Wolf_> XXCoderMill: could get some drivers
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nema-23-1.8-Degree-CNC-Stepping-Stepper-Motor-41mm-2A-78oz.in-w-MB450A-Driver/46935078
[22:28:20] <XXCoderMill> yeah not buying from walmart even if sellers arent em
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[22:29:11] <renesis> also that is a really short nema23
[22:29:22] <Wolf_> throw the motor away
[22:29:30] <Wolf_> drive is worth $36
[22:29:34] <renesis> xxcodermill: you tried adjusting gibs and backlash nuts?
[22:30:01] <XXCoderMill> renesis: its motor config issue not frame problem
[22:30:03] <renesis> this always had the most effect on my speeds on the taig
[22:30:17] <renesis> kk
[22:31:10] <Wolf_> XXCoderMill:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA27C1P09246
[22:31:58] <renesis> that motor seems a lot less pussy
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[22:32:31] <XXCoderMill> not bad but I'll make it work as it will evenually be reused for something else while cnc router has better ones in future
[22:33:00] <Wolf_> same drivers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA27C25S7447
[22:37:36] <jdh> are tehy ever in stock?
[22:38:26] <Wolf_> yeah they put about 5 in stock every few days
[22:38:44] <XXCoderMill> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/27-driver-boards/25875-problem-driving-steppers-problem-with-tb6560
[22:41:52] <jdh> who had the cheap 48vdc power supplies?
[22:42:02] <Wolf_> same seller
[22:42:12] <jdh> newegg or walmart?
[22:42:14] <Wolf_> on newegg and walmart
[22:42:17] <Wolf_> both
[22:42:37] <XXCoderMill> 40 mm/s seem to be limit
[22:43:00] <XXCoderMill> hm
[22:43:23] <XXCoderMill> when I set microstep to 8, do I need to 4x the max velocity too?
[22:43:59] <XXCoderMill> 1000 mm/s^2 accel works but im pretty sure it skips steps on changing direction
[22:47:10] <pcw_home> stepconf does the calcs so you can just change the ustep ratio (but notice the "pulse rate at maximum speed field" number
[22:47:44] <XXCoderMill> cool
[22:47:51] <XXCoderMill> trying to figure best accel value
[22:47:56] <XXCoderMill> gonna go soon though
[22:49:07] <Wolf_> jdh:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/46914656
[22:49:32] <XXCoderMill> http://www.shapeoko.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=758
[22:49:40] <XXCoderMill> it suggests 800mm/min
[22:49:45] <XXCoderMill> around 13 mm/s
[22:49:48] <XXCoderMill> ^2
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[22:52:20] <XXCoderMill> 15 accel feels very nasty so clearly not it
[22:52:24] <XXCoderMill> no stall so far
[22:55:02] <XXCoderMill> interesting
[22:55:14] <XXCoderMill> at 100mm/s and 70 mm/s^2
[22:55:24] <XXCoderMill> I waited till it reached max speed
[22:55:28] <XXCoderMill> I could stop it by hand
[22:56:46] <XXCoderMill> I could turn it by hand on hold, but not easily
[22:58:27] <malcom2073> Wolf_:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkuNPsG62DQ
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[22:58:52] <XXCoderMill> I guess motors may be bad
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[22:59:59] <Wolf_> sweet malcom2073
[23:00:45] <t12> i bought a set of mitutoyo telescoping gauges
[23:00:54] <t12> pretty sure these are STI gauges with mitotoyo stamp
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[23:04:46] <malcom2073> Wolf_:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8J6UnlujOc VFD works too! :-D
[23:05:54] <Wolf_> sweet
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[23:14:48] <PetefromTn_> looks good malcolm
[23:15:19] <JT-Shop> guess I have to watch
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[23:16:50] <PetefromTn_> what size steppers are those and what hardware?
[23:16:56] <JT-Shop> getting the BlueWing ready for the trip
[23:17:02] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Dude, I got a woound up rubberband that can do that *eeeesh* <rolls eyes>
[23:17:29] <Jymmm> malcom2073: =)
[23:17:44] <malcom2073> Nema 34 1600oz/inch, and an Anaheim Automation 3 axis stepper drive
[23:17:47] <malcom2073> Jymmm: I do too now! :P
[23:17:59] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I'm hoping that wasn't the first time you ramped it up like that =)
[23:18:12] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Haha, no, I did some low speed tests first, making sure the drive belt was seated, etc etc
[23:18:37] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Cool, it sounded like it was about to take off with or without you
[23:18:51] <malcom2073> It's so quiet compared to my dads, his sounds like a tin can full of marbles
[23:19:04] <malcom2073> The was running the spindle around 2800rpm
[23:19:12] <malcom2073> Erm no, higher I think
[23:19:27] <Jymmm> He's gonna be jealous and over all the time. You better put a credit card swipe on it =)
[23:19:31] <malcom2073> Nah, only 2800
[23:19:39] <malcom2073> Haha nah, he likes his mill
[23:20:11] <PetefromTn_> looks like it is ready to make some damn chips!!
[23:20:13] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Toss on a keypad, like this...
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[23:20:33] <malcom2073> It's missing the Z axis stepper, need to make an adapter plate for that (different than X and Y of course), and then yeah, it'll be ready for chips
[23:20:50] <malcom2073> Have to run new air lines to the drawbar impact though, they're rotted out first
[23:21:07] <Jymmm> malcom2073:
http://imgur.com/0o4jXma
[23:21:22] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Haha
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[23:23:36] <t12> hum
[23:23:46] <t12> the headstock of this lathe appears to be mounted to the bed
[23:23:52] <t12> with a layer of paint inbetween
[23:23:59] <t12> maybe that has something to do with the non-accuracy i'm seeing heh
[23:24:14] <Jymmm> t12: the paint is the glue that binds =)
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[23:25:12] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[23:25:19] <SpeedEvil> Structural or non-structural paint.
[23:25:36] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: high grade metric paint
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[23:26:10] <PetefromTn_> Well my wife broke out the Halloween stuff! Pretty cool...
[23:27:02] <t12> advanced machinists paint
[23:27:04] <t12> airforce paint?
[23:27:07] <t12> aerospace grade paint?
[23:27:22] <Wolf_> weasel snot paint
[23:27:24] <Jymmm> t12: finger paint
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[23:33:33] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: was you asking me?
[23:34:37] <XXCoder> h you wanst lol
[23:35:59] <PetefromTn_> asking you what?
[23:36:11] <XXCoder> motor size
[23:37:25] <XXCoder> if you are curious anyway, 3 x Nema23 Stepper Motor with 110Ncm,1.8,3.0A 4wires 23HS6430 lol
[23:40:24] <PetefromTn_> no I was asking malcom
[23:40:37] <XXCoder> I know, I figured that lol
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