#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-10

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[00:03:03] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: kind of :)
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[00:56:35] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: I heard that your rigger helped you hook up the machine, as well as cook you dinner
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[01:51:57] <bobo> zeeshan: you might look at "phaseperfect.com" for 1phase - 3 phase , they have a better reverse energy handling ability
[01:55:09] <bobo> phase perfect (a scott T device ) usally has better resale , bad if trying to buy one used - good if trying to sell
[01:58:10] <PetefromTn_> he is planning to go single phase like his other machine and my machine as I understand him. He plans on swapping a smaller motor unless he changed his mind.
[01:59:03] <bobo> while you are at the riggers place , might look for xfmr. 220 to new lathe voltage
[02:00:44] <bobo> Pete think just discoveren the spindle motor is a servo motor . Now more quandry in the game
[02:01:30] <PetefromTn_> I am sure it probably is a servo motor
[02:01:37] <PetefromTn_> but its like 20HP
[02:02:26] <bobo> but it is not our 20 HP
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[02:06:57] <bobo> Pete what would you do if there was a 20HP servo on your foot and you had a 10HP induction motor ad on ebay ? think I would try to save me foot
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[02:17:09] <bobo> Pete have you thought any more about the servo drive "ssi" is considering ?
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[06:55:06] <Deejay> moin
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[08:31:44] <MacGalempsy> hello
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[08:47:25] <XXCoder> boo
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[08:49:35] <malcom2073> Morning
[08:49:42] <XXCoder> whats up
[08:50:04] <malcom2073> Not much, about to go to a machinist yard sale, see if I can pick up some lathe tools
[08:50:06] <malcom2073> you?
[08:50:25] <XXCoder> nice! just relaxing and eating dinner
[08:52:31] <trentster> So first attempt at 3d carving turned out ok'ish :-)
[08:52:34] <trentster> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ8ZUYlUcAA0d1k.jpg:large
[08:52:46] <XXCoder> not bad!
[08:52:59] <XXCoder> some sandpaper and it will look great
[08:53:47] <trentster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlj5SKnmd9I
[08:54:28] <trentster> yeah its right off the machine - will clean it up and oil it etc - was really just a test - next ones I try will be incorporated into a decorative box or soemthing
[08:55:12] <XXCoder> odd
[08:55:30] <XXCoder> i can see it jerk movement sometimes?
[08:56:36] <XXCoder> from what I see your Z seems slow compared to x and y
[08:58:12] <XXCoder> iphone videos suck
[08:58:17] <XXCoder> wayyy too slim
[08:58:49] <trentster> XXCoder: I was holding the camera by hand - no tripod so it was kinda jerky. I may setup a tripod in future
[08:59:16] <XXCoder> oh was talking about cnc motions not yours :)
[08:59:46] <XXCoder> I see you use same keyboard as mine lol
[08:59:58] <trentster> Yeah - I still have crappy coupler on Z - I have the better ones in the draw just been too lazy to put it on - so I have made Z slow to prevent fatigue and couple snapping
[09:00:43] <XXCoder> ahh
[09:09:05] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: got the machine all homed, just trammed the head
[09:09:13] <MacGalempsy> motors tuned
[09:09:59] <MacGalempsy> now time to put the 4th axis in and see if I can get it tuned
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[09:12:59] <XXCoder> cool
[09:19:08] <ganzuul> http://imgur.com/a/K21dT
[09:19:10] <ganzuul> :O
[09:19:41] <XXCoder> little chain holding massive chain ends up lol
[09:19:56] <XXCoder> "oh thought you meant 3 yards not 3 inches!"
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[09:25:18] <zeeshan> zzzz
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[09:25:32] <XXCoder> shh zeeshan is sleeping
[09:25:41] <zeeshan> hehe
[09:25:43] <zeeshan> just woke up
[09:25:49] <zeeshan> PART 2 of disassembling lathe
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[09:27:10] <zeeshan> ganzuul: cute little chain! :)
[09:29:41] <archivist> bit early in the morning for Canadians
[09:29:49] <XXCoder> very early
[09:30:02] <XXCoder> 2:30 am here lol (washington state, usa)
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[09:31:37] <zeeshan> yes early here :P
[09:31:52] <zeeshan> this is prolly the earliest ive been up on a saturday. :P
[09:31:56] <zeeshan> in a long time!
[09:32:05] <XXCoder> super black http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/186229-its-like-staring-into-a-black-hole-worlds-darkest-material-will-be-used-to-make-very-stealthy-aircraft-better-telescopes
[09:32:18] <XXCoder> zeeshan: curious id you completed that vape wood thingy
[09:32:23] <zeeshan> yes all done
[09:32:24] <zeeshan> all paid
[09:32:26] <zeeshan> hooray
[09:32:29] <XXCoder> nice!
[09:32:44] <zeeshan> he wants some stainless pieces so part 2 next week for that
[09:32:51] <XXCoder> I still plan to get 4th stepper and try my axis A direct mount lol
[09:32:54] <XXCoder> stainless ouch
[09:32:57] <XXCoder> I hate that metal
[09:33:31] <XXCoder> working on 15-5 which eats tools pretty quickly and even that is better than SS
[09:33:38] <archivist> I had my 4th axis working before 2nd and 3rd
[09:33:39] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/CqEKy
[09:34:16] <XXCoder> its definitely not repeatable, that pattern.
[09:35:14] <zeeshan> i wish i took a less grainy pic
[09:35:15] <zeeshan> :P
[09:39:22] <XXCoder> oh well
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[09:41:41] <XXCoder> cant wait to get this https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/yatzco/hologram-pyramid-peppers-ghost-no-mirrors-double-b/description
[09:41:54] <XXCoder> cheap toy to play with for a bit lol
[09:42:03] <MacGalempsy> nice work zeeshan
[09:42:11] <XXCoder> yeah looks great
[09:42:29] <XXCoder> zeeshan: did you modify mount to make em more removable?
[09:42:34] <XXCoder> I recall you had that issue
[09:43:31] <MacGalempsy> Carbon Nanotubes: Blacker than Black
[09:43:57] <XXCoder> it is. human eyes cant see black that black
[09:44:08] <XXCoder> it has maxamium darkness it can see
[10:01:01] <XXCoder> aaaand all quiet lol
[10:01:44] <zeeshan> XXCoder: yes
[10:01:58] <XXCoder> got question
[10:02:14] <XXCoder> I got 8020 cheap nuts that seem to work in my cnc router grooves yay
[10:02:20] <XXCoder> I just need bolts for em
[10:02:32] <XXCoder> but well I need something to hold material
[10:02:36] <XXCoder> not sure what to use.
[10:02:50] <XXCoder> my machine is way too small for that awesome clamp stuff
[10:03:24] <zeeshan> i'd look into mini toe clamps
[10:03:32] <zeeshan> they'll do 99% of the stuff you wanna do
[10:03:35] <zeeshan> on a router
[10:03:40] <zeeshan> or just double sided tape! :D
[10:04:00] <XXCoder> thats a idea. I can just directly bolt bottom surifical tape
[10:04:03] <XXCoder> *wood
[10:04:09] <XXCoder> and tape wood on it
[10:04:15] <archivist> double sided tape ruins thin sheet items
[10:04:41] <XXCoder> its fine as it's mainly testing
[10:04:52] <archivist> unless skilled in the art of rolling them flat after peeling off
[10:05:22] <zeeshan> c-clamps
[10:05:23] <zeeshan> :D
[10:05:36] <archivist> also wastes stuff under the tape, too hard to clean and re use
[10:06:10] <XXCoder> zeeshan: that'd work for mill but not my machine
[10:06:17] <XXCoder> its too wide and long
[10:06:22] <XXCoder> AND height too short
[10:06:33] <XXCoder> it has 3 inches clearance lol
[10:06:44] <zeeshan> :D
[10:08:00] <XXCoder> I'm also trying to figure how to fine tune my machine
[10:08:05] <XXCoder> it jams sometimes
[10:08:27] <zeeshan> trial and error :D
[10:08:32] <archivist> gantry router with one ballscrew
[10:08:44] <archivist> design error
[10:08:44] <zeeshan> bye guys :D
[10:08:47] <XXCoder> one of few times I wish I can hear, it would help me hear problem
[10:08:48] <zeeshan> have a great day
[10:08:53] <XXCoder> if any
[10:08:59] <XXCoder> zeeshan: have fun
[10:09:00] <zeeshan> XXCoder: microphone
[10:09:03] <zeeshan> analyze wave form
[10:09:08] <zeeshan> you don't need to hear!
[10:09:13] <archivist> XXCoder, finger on the machine feel the vibration
[10:09:14] <zeeshan> let the wave form do the talkin
[10:09:16] <XXCoder> dont even own one lol
[10:09:24] <XXCoder> archivist: something I can do
[10:09:44] <XXCoder> http://www.destaco.com/standard.html this could work
[10:09:55] <XXCoder> for some uses anyway
[10:10:02] <XXCoder> like engraving plastoic
[10:15:17] <XXCoder> "Suspicious Order Closed "
[10:15:24] <XXCoder> looks like its done
[10:15:58] <MacGalempsy> well, I can get the A AXIS to spin with the PNCCONF but when I got to move it with LCNC, the same settings lead to a following error
[10:16:00] <MacGalempsy> no juice
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[10:16:37] <MacGalempsy> any thoughts?
[10:17:37] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: did you get your aliexpress refund?
[10:17:53] <XXCoder> did you get money back malcom2073
[10:19:30] <MacGalempsy> I just got the refund
[10:19:50] <MacGalempsy> well, the email that says the refund is 4-7 days away
[10:20:41] <XXCoder> 7 to 10 for me
[10:24:26] <MacGalempsy> oops yeah 7-10
[10:36:46] <XXCoder> cool
[10:37:07] <jthornton> I'm convinced that facebook monitors your email traffic
[10:37:26] <jthornton> I wonder what else they steal from you
[10:38:05] <XXCoder> how?
[10:38:44] <jthornton> they suggest friends that I have emailed
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[10:39:30] <Sync> jthornton: some idiot has given facebook the permissions to do so on his/her phone
[10:40:25] <jthornton> for me or for them?
[10:40:54] <XXCoder> I will NEVER use fb app on phone
[10:41:01] <MacGalempsy> jthornton: I agree pretty deep invasion. There was a friend who I had not talked to in 15 years, and he started txting me. within a few days, I got a "Friend Suggestion" for his wife, which I didnt even know he was married
[10:41:02] <XXCoder> it has INSANE list of permissions
[10:41:04] <jthornton> I don't either
[10:41:14] <XXCoder> including "Fuck you from behind" permission
[10:41:22] <jthornton> lol
[10:41:41] <MacGalempsy> lol. at this point I just use the browser because you dont have to D/L the msngr app
[10:41:57] <XXCoder> me too. I just use browser
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[10:42:28] <MacGalempsy> yesterday it rained, and we found a leak in the roof...
[10:42:48] <MacGalempsy> thats the last thing I wanted to deal with right now
[10:43:11] <XXCoder> fun.
[10:43:14] * jthornton checks my settings
[10:43:32] <jthornton> ouch, but you never find a leak when the sun is shining
[10:45:43] <MacGalempsy> unfortunately not... in OKC the last roof I did was like $14k
[10:45:46] <XXCoder> unless its so big it leaks light in
[10:45:49] * jthornton goes back to golang
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[10:45:57] <MacGalempsy> unfortunately this house is a little larget
[10:46:31] <jthornton> I've been there in a back woods bar in the swamps of Louisana... the roof was full of bullet holes lol
[10:47:01] <MacGalempsy> hahah. maybe last week when I was in tulsa the wife got drunk and was shooting up the place
[10:47:13] <jthornton> lol
[10:47:44] <jthornton> I think I've put my last roof on when I built my shop
[10:48:44] <MacGalempsy> the agent we used to buy the house runs a few crews. hopefully he can cut a deal
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[10:51:33] <XXCoder> cant to it yourself?
[10:52:34] <MacGalempsy> probably, but it would take me a week or more. the crew will come in and get it done in a few days
[10:52:36] <archivist> I went up on the garage roof to fix leaks before the CMM came home
[10:52:54] <XXCoder> few days for $15000
[10:53:14] <MacGalempsy> I was thinking about getting up under there and attempting a sealer on the underside
[10:53:31] <archivist> do it on the outside
[10:53:47] <MacGalempsy> just spray it and wait until next summer?
[10:54:06] <archivist> on the inside you only move the leak someplace else
[10:54:09] <MacGalempsy> no harm in getting estimates though
[10:54:23] <archivist> might be a simple fix
[10:54:30] <XXCoder> also ask for "nix leak" estimates
[10:54:33] <XXCoder> just spot fix
[10:54:38] <MacGalempsy> ok
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[10:56:59] <XXCoder> hm
[10:57:01] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/GooDeal-Horizontal-Handle-Quick-Release-SD-201-/dp/B00XTWP222/ref=sr_1_19?s=power-hand-tools&ie=UTF8&qid=1444474353&sr=1-19&keywords=Horizontal+Quick+Release+Hand+Tool+Toggle+Clamps
[10:57:10] <XXCoder> not sure if that would be usable with m6
[10:57:19] <XXCoder> it dont say what size holes are
[10:57:48] <jthornton> my guess is for 1/4" fasteners
[10:58:11] <MacGalempsy> what is this metric stuff all about anyways?
[10:58:17] <MacGalempsy> :P
[10:58:21] <jthornton> the knob thingy looks like 1/4-20 threads
[10:58:24] <XXCoder> my machine is metric
[10:58:35] <XXCoder> jthornton: m6 is close to 1/4
[10:58:44] <MacGalempsy> i found 2 metric screws on my machine
[10:58:44] <jthornton> my machine don't care about units of measure
[10:58:56] <jthornton> yes but finer pitch
[10:59:18] <MacGalempsy> both were on japanese made parts (encoder and linear glide)
[10:59:36] <jthornton> I got some machines from Taiwan once with a mix of inch and witworth threads
[10:59:49] <MacGalempsy> uhhggg
[11:00:07] <jthornton> that made me scratch my knoggen a bit
[11:00:10] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: just get those ones and weld up the holes, then redrill
[11:00:22] <XXCoder> I cant weld lol
[11:00:35] <jthornton> washer fixes all
[11:00:38] <Jymmm> jb weld
[11:00:45] <Jymmm> silly putty
[11:00:47] <XXCoder> washer washes away all build sins
[11:00:50] <MacGalempsy> jb weld is #1
[11:01:31] <MacGalempsy> how about rob the design and make your own in metric?
[11:01:44] <MacGalempsy> but they will probably be more than $12
[11:01:49] <XXCoder> bought this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00R563R0M?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00 and it works with my machine
[11:01:53] <XXCoder> awesome.
[11:02:20] <XXCoder> whats screw without amny head called?
[11:02:25] <XXCoder> just threads
[11:02:34] <jthornton> all thread
[11:02:51] <XXCoder> thanks
[11:03:21] <Jymmm> a divorce?
[11:03:53] <MacGalempsy> =D
[11:03:55] <XXCoder> jeeeez http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00R563R0M?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
[11:04:22] <archivist> XXCoder, threaded rod in other countries
[11:06:02] <XXCoder> threaded rod better results
[11:06:45] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Pitch-70mm-Male-Threaded-Bronze/dp/B012TANLN6/ref=sr_1_2?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1444475190&sr=1-2&keywords=m6+threaded+rod
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[11:08:44] <MacGalempsy> does this look right if I want the zbrake to turnoff when the machine turns on?
[11:09:00] <MacGalempsy> net machine.on => zbrake
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[11:11:11] <archivist> depends what you mean by on, you may want to brake on estop or other special uses
[11:12:33] <MacGalempsy> I am going to try this one - net zbrake machine-is-enabled => hm2.....
[11:13:18] <Sync> boboss: what about it?
[11:16:14] <boboss> Sync, about what ?
[11:17:02] <boboss> Sync, boboss != bobo
[11:17:36] <XXCoder> sync didnt say bobo. he said your nick boboss
[11:18:15] <XXCoder> unless sync was talking about something said much earlier lol
[11:19:40] <boboss> a bobo was here yesterday morning
[11:19:50] <XXCoder> ahh sorry then :)
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[11:20:14] <boboss> :)
[11:21:38] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/Hard---Find-Fastener-014973180942-55-Piece/dp/B00L1IYQO6/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1444476089&sr=1-2&keywords=1%2F4+washer+wide
[11:21:44] <XXCoder> would this work as "clamps"?
[11:21:52] <XXCoder> with threaded rod and nuts
[11:22:02] <jthornton> what are you trying to "clamp"
[11:22:05] <XXCoder> wood
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[11:22:38] <jthornton> would be better than smaller washers for wood
[11:23:03] <XXCoder> I was thinking use this, with something at back so it angles down into stock
[11:23:12] <XXCoder> its for when I dont care about wood damage there
[11:23:56] <XXCoder> it can also be used for post-hole operation
[11:24:11] <XXCoder> more gentle of course lol
[11:24:15] <jthornton> what are you making?
[11:24:35] <XXCoder> artwork actually but I just need basic stuff so I can start
[11:24:43] <XXCoder> I can buy more and refine with usage
[11:25:32] <XXCoder> also, once working I can use those to make wood fixtures and wood clamps
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[11:29:10] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00S6C3984?keywords=m6%20threaded%20rod&qid=1444476564&ref_=sr_1_5&refinements=p_76%3A2661625011&sr=8-5
[11:29:30] <XXCoder> any benefits to gap?
[11:30:38] <jthornton> just makes the short end only go so far into your T nut or mounting plate
[11:30:49] <XXCoder> hm ok
[11:31:03] <XXCoder> trying to find free shippinbg alternative
[11:33:20] <jthornton> to start with why not just use all thread from a hardware store
[11:33:36] <XXCoder> do they sell metric?
[11:33:39] <XXCoder> if so yeah
[11:33:42] <XXCoder> good idea
[11:33:51] <jthornton> depends on where you live
[11:36:10] <XXCoder> 24 bucks
[11:36:15] <XXCoder> one rod. long one but yeah
[11:36:35] <jthornton> 1 meter long?
[11:36:44] <XXCoder> yeah
[11:36:52] <archivist> over priced
[11:37:06] <XXCoder> it'd supply all I need but then high price and I has to cut and grind
[11:37:13] <jthornton> XXCoder, where are you?
[11:37:18] <XXCoder> washington state
[11:37:30] <jthornton> ah, that explains the high price
[11:38:13] <archivist> http://www.screwfix.com/p/easyfix-bright-zinc-plated-steel-threaded-rods-m6-x-300mm-pack-of-5/29072?kpid=29072&cm_mmc=Google-_-Product%20Listing%20Ads-_-Sales%20Tracking-_-sales%20tracking%20url&cm_mmc=Google-_-Shopping%20-%20Fixings%20and%20Fasteners-_-Shopping%20-%20Fixings%20and%20Fasteners&gclid=CKzcwa3ot8gCFWoJwwod0xAFxg&kpid=29072
[11:38:21] <archivist> way cheaper for me
[11:38:41] <Jymmm> https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/MR2551000A20000
[11:39:02] <XXCoder> nice
[11:39:07] <jthornton> http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-threaded-rods/=zazjv4
[11:39:55] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/Imperial-12650-Threaded-M6-1-00x1m-Package/dp/B001G4512Q
[11:40:52] <archivist> amazon seems confuddled, imperial is not metric
[11:41:24] <Jymmm> Heh http://www.amazon.com/Pitch-70mm-Male-Threaded-Bronze/dp/B012TANLN6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_60_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=1R6NZ0F8T6YV6R2CTNW6
[11:41:36] <MacGalempsy> maybe imperial is the brand name
[11:41:45] <XXCoder> penis
[11:41:50] <XXCoder> get screwed
[11:41:52] <XXCoder> :P
[11:42:16] <archivist> you have a lathe, thread your own rod
[11:42:19] <Jymmm> XXCoder: 70mm long enough?
[11:42:27] <XXCoder> checking
[11:42:38] <XXCoder> 2.75 inch
[11:42:41] <XXCoder> thats pretty close
[11:42:52] <XXCoder> since some will be below it will work
[11:43:14] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://www.amazon.com/Pitch-70mm-Male-Threaded-Bronze/dp/B012TANLN6/ref=pd_sim_sbs_60_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=1R6NZ0F8T6YV6R2CTNW6
[11:43:35] <XXCoder> yeah lready saw that lol
[11:44:16] <XXCoder> nice! http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009UZULK0?keywords=m6%20all%20thread&qid=1444477478&ref_=sr_1_54&s=industrial&sr=1-54
[11:44:19] <XXCoder> too bad out lol
[11:44:43] <Jymmm> You could just get soem SS bolts, thread on three nuts, lock two against each other, grind off the head, and use the 3rd nut to rethread the end.
[11:44:59] <XXCoder> that would work yeah
[11:45:14] <XXCoder> or just leave heads if its not impacting gantry
[11:45:27] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://www.lowes.com/pd_472750-37672-44842_0__?productId=4582131
[11:45:44] <XXCoder> 23 bucks is just silly
[11:46:25] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Hey, you wanted metric, you gots to pay for it =)
[11:46:38] <XXCoder> yeah I'll cheat using amazon lol
[11:46:59] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006F37QG2?keywords=m6%20all%20thread%20-tap&qid=1444477625&ref_=sr_1_5&s=industrial&sr=1-5 nicely size
[11:47:09] <XXCoder> just under 2 inches
[11:47:15] <XXCoder> good for smaller
[11:47:41] <XXCoder> and not free shipping bah
[11:47:50] <Jymmm> http://www.mrmetric.com/
[11:48:06] <XXCoder> 160mm long m6 cap screw.
[11:48:07] <XXCoder> weird
[11:48:36] <XXCoder> yep that one gave me idea
[11:48:45] <XXCoder> flat head screws is pretty cheap
[11:50:07] <XXCoder> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DD4Q1M6?keywords=m6%20flat%20head%20screw&qid=1444477730&ref_=sr_1_13&refinements=p_76%3A1249158011&s=industrial&sr=1-13
[11:50:21] <Jymmm> No miniums, flat rate $6 shipping, free over $50
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[11:50:38] <XXCoder> nice mr metric
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[12:03:15] <Sync> boboss: yeah, did not verify backlock if you were bobo or not, sorry
[12:20:01] <XXCoder> meanie Sync is meanie
[12:20:03] <XXCoder> jk heh
[12:20:17] <XXCoder> Jymmm: thanks
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[12:20:49] <XXCoder> archivist: just spotted what I missed last time. when did I get a lathe? I sure didnt know I owned a lathe?
[12:21:39] <Sync> > backlock
[12:21:43] <Sync> wtf is wrong with my fingers
[12:21:59] <XXCoder> its part of you and are getting tired of you
[12:22:06] <XXCoder> heh
[12:23:40] <XXCoder> Sync: kidding, gonna go sleep :)
[12:24:00] <Sync> early afternoon here
[12:24:15] <XXCoder> 5 am
[12:24:20] <archivist> XXCoder, time you did get a lathe then
[12:24:47] <XXCoder> archivist: maybe in future. after 3d print and laser
[12:25:01] <archivist> I use a lather more than a mill :)
[12:25:05] <archivist> lathe
[12:25:15] <XXCoder> yeh it depends on what for
[12:25:22] <XXCoder> I dont need round stuff generally
[12:40:29] <MacGalempsy> well guys, I'm off to break concrete for the rest of the day. have fun!
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[13:03:12] <MrSunshine> hmm, building my vacuum table for the cnc now .. seem to have so far quite alot of hold down force .. but then theres the bleeder board .. ive seen people use mdf as bleeder but i was thinking something in the lines of "tretex" (ver light fibre board) i wonder how that would work .. as its alot more open than an mdf .. tho the problems i can think of would be alot of vacuum loss when i cut parts out
[13:03:33] <MrSunshine> where maybe the mdf variant will excell ...
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[13:29:44] <jthornton> ssi, http://play.golang.org/p/ZShxg6mr31
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[13:33:18] <Sync> gawd
[13:33:32] <Sync> none of the counterbores in my chinese lathe are made with a proper counterbore
[13:33:39] <Sync> all of them are made with a regular drill
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[13:43:24] <jdh> "custom 118 degree self-centering counterbores"
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[13:43:43] * MattyMatt fitted all alu qctp to old iron lathe \o/
[13:43:53] <MattyMatt> all the toolholders are alu too :p
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[13:44:33] <MattyMatt> it fits well tho, and seems solid enough
[13:48:49] <MattyMatt> I'm pretty sure the british and americans made plenty of rubbish machines too, 100 years ago, but they were either fixed or scrapped
[13:49:13] <MattyMatt> so we've got a rosy view of our past based on the cherry picked survivors
[13:49:42] <jdh> never thought of it that way
[13:52:33] <MattyMatt> and we only see the small stuff from china, because of the shipping
[13:52:46] <Sync> yeah, all the southbend stuff used to be the cheap stuff
[13:55:38] <MattyMatt> tapping in cast iron feels so nice. I just gotta share :)
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[13:58:37] <MattyMatt> real delrin too
[13:58:59] <MattyMatt> other acetal just feels like plastic
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[14:30:16] <archivist> MattyMatt, look at an old Gamages lathe :)
[14:30:33] <archivist> or even Drummond
[14:31:35] <archivist> http://www.lathes.co.uk/gamages/
[14:35:18] <archivist> and Adept
[14:37:42] <archivist> ew buyers fighting over one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-adept-model-engineers-lathe-/351535516194
[14:38:50] <Wolf_> archivist: got yer box’o parts, haven’t opened it yet, I’ll try to get to it today lol
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[14:39:35] <archivist> wee, I found a cheap good level which will be available when it arrives for someone
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[14:40:56] <archivist> zeeshan, has been nagging http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381420124605
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[14:42:24] <archivist> Wolf_, thanks again, this is what I want to make up http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-1014-1720
[14:42:47] <Wolf_> I kinda figured lol
[14:43:18] <archivist> :)
[14:43:37] <archivist> make do and mend, my other name mebe
[14:45:32] <Wolf_> speaking of that, i’m going to guess diy on MP9 setup is partly a no go
[14:47:54] <archivist> an IR receiver and a scope to work out the protocol
[14:49:51] <archivist> I have the same problem win an LP2 system, but you could just get inside add a socket or radio device instead
[14:50:30] <Wolf_> there is one on eBay for $90 but listed as For parts/not working
[14:52:45] <archivist> if they crashed it may be dead dead
[14:53:14] <archivist> but the contacts are mechanical so you can repair
[14:53:19] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RENISHAW-MP9-ENCODER-ROTARY-WITH-RUBY-PROBE-USED-FOR-PARTS-ONLY-/111779639915?hash=item1a0695f26b
[14:54:17] <archivist> good sign the stylus looks central
[14:54:54] <archivist> poor thing has has a hard life though
[14:55:36] <archivist> stylus on its own new about £75
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[14:58:37] <archivist> in some respects similar to http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+pd+valeron I may only use than as a plain contact, I took out the pcb and battery holder
[15:02:15] <Wolf_> one of these knuckles looks to just need a thread repair coil :_
[15:02:17] <Wolf_> :)
[15:02:52] <archivist> or just remake that part from scratch :)
[15:04:10] <Wolf_> or tap it and adjust for a bigger screw lo;
[15:05:37] <archivist> an adapter
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[15:08:53] <archivist> even if the spring contact was broken I can think of a source, a shortened http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100pcs-1-36mm-Crown-Tip-P100-Q1-Spring-PCB-Testing-Contact-Probes-Pin-/191686290719
[15:09:35] <Wolf_> http://imgur.com/a/Rsrqu
[15:09:47] <Wolf_> or do you need direct links?
[15:11:22] <archivist> sometimes imgure works, I can see those
[15:12:06] <archivist> have you got enough to make that probe :)
[15:13:26] <archivist> those knuckles look fixable :)
[15:15:08] <Wolf_> think some parts are missing to make a probe
[15:15:08] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RENISHAW-PH8-PROBE-HEAD-TOUCH-PROBE-AND-STYLUS-NEW-/360592225974
[15:15:44] <Wolf_> yeah, I could make the holder part
[15:16:47] <archivist> actually I think the PH8 is only the holder, do you have a TP2 or TP20
[15:17:51] <Wolf_> nope
[15:18:03] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH3G9Do10ao anyone ever tried this?
[15:18:09] <Wolf_> been looking, picking are low for not new priced ones
[15:19:05] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, hardly worth it is it?
[15:19:54] <PetefromTn_> why would you say that?
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[15:21:33] <PetefromTn_> I recently made my wife an LED edge lit sign as a gift and it only has like ten inches of RGB LED lights in it and the damn thing lights our whole bedroom. It is almost TOO bright we have to turn it down on the dimmer LOL
[15:22:06] <PetefromTn_> I have four or five of those florescent 4' fixtures out in the shop and they pretty much suck
[15:22:22] <archivist> lower current use, and depending on drive no flashing and stationary lathe syndrome
[15:22:23] <PetefromTn_> ballasts went out twice in two of them and the bulbs never really were that bright
[15:22:50] <PetefromTn_> my pal Art is actually doing this as we speak
[15:23:03] <jdh> 4ft cheap shop lights are disposable
[15:23:41] <PetefromTn_> he is supposed to send me a picture of his LED stripped florescent fixture next to an existing flourescent fixture with brand new bulbs later today
[15:23:53] <furrywolf> do you have a Costco where you are?
[15:23:54] <PetefromTn_> jdh what does that mean?
[15:24:02] <furrywolf> the one here is selling 4ft LED shoplights for $30ish
[15:24:04] <Wolf_> on the plus side you can get 16’ of that led strip for >$20
[15:24:21] <jdh> pete: it means they are so cheap, throw away and buy a new one.
[15:24:28] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf yeah but do they suck?
[15:24:37] <furrywolf> they don't seem bad. I put two of them over my knee mill.
[15:24:52] <furrywolf> only a few dozen hours on them, but they haven't broken yet.
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[15:24:55] <PetefromTn_> you need two over a single knee mill?
[15:25:26] <PetefromTn_> jdh I already have these fixtures and they are already mounted etc...
[15:25:47] <PetefromTn_> taking them down and removing the ballast and sticking down some LED's would only take an hour or two at most
[15:25:54] <furrywolf> the table is something like 5ft wide, and the 6.5ft tall mill is not much below the 7.5ft ceiling... with the table all the way to the side, it would be dark with just one.
[15:26:01] <jdh> I have one that has been turned on for 19 years. It finally failed a few months ago.
[15:26:19] <furrywolf> two gives the whole area a much more even light.
[15:26:27] <jdh> vs. several others that die every few years
[15:26:30] <PetefromTn_> my friend Art says he put two strips in one fixture and it seemed brighter than the florescent one with brand new bulbs
[15:26:53] <PetefromTn_> I am lucky if I get a year out of the bulbs in my shop
[15:27:06] <PetefromTn_> and they are not terribly bright to begin with
[15:27:25] <PetefromTn_> it just seemed like a good cheap idea
[15:27:26] <jdh> I think I paid $11 for the last few fixtures. I wasn't expecting a lot.
[15:27:50] <furrywolf> I've had bad luck with cheap fluorescent shoplights. commercial-grade fixtures work much better... but cost more.
[15:27:51] <PetefromTn_> the strip super bright LED's are cheap as are the plug and play power supplies
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[15:28:38] <furrywolf> I have a couple led strips... they're less efficient, and I suspect not very long-lived due to no heatsinking.
[15:28:46] <PetefromTn_> the LED strip light I bought for my wife's edge lit LED sign is on every night here and most of the time they forget to turn it off so it is on all day. It is still extremely bright and works perfect
[15:29:06] <PetefromTn_> there is hardly any heat
[15:29:08] <furrywolf> http://www.costco.com/4%E2%80%99-LED-Shop-Light-with-Chain-2-pack.product.100223617.html looks like they only sell them in 2-packs online... they're individual in the store here.
[15:29:37] <furrywolf> check how many lumens/foot your strips are and do the math. :)
[15:29:41] <PetefromTn_> Oh those are those LED bulb lights
[15:30:00] <PetefromTn_> the replacement bulbs are kinda expensive
[15:30:11] <jdh> shouldn't have to replace them?
[15:30:24] <furrywolf> the bulbs are not replacable. they look like fluorescent tubes, but are molded plastic and part of the unit.
[15:30:39] <furrywolf> it's all looks. :P
[15:30:55] <PetefromTn_> I think I will wait until my friend Art finishes his and see what his pictures look like.
[15:31:11] <PetefromTn_> if they look nice and bright like I expect they would I may try doing the same thing.
[15:31:46] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE to not have to buy another ballast and dispose of those damn shitty florescent bulbs anymore
[15:31:55] <jdh> how much is a ballast?
[15:32:21] <PetefromTn_> I saw one video where a guy built some fixtures using just some drywall corner bead and strip lights
[15:32:23] <jdh> and how do you dispose of bulbs?
[15:32:38] <PetefromTn_> wth difference does it make?
[15:32:53] <furrywolf> I no longer install anything fluorescent. all LED. I have a few CFLs left in service, that will get replaced with LED when they fail, and part of my living room has two 4ft t12 fixtures, that will also be replaced with LEDs when they fail.
[15:32:54] <jdh> because I have 2 cases of dead bulbs sitting in a corner
[15:33:19] <PetefromTn_> heh me too
[15:33:23] <furrywolf> here the local hardware store will take them free, except for 8ft tubes, and the dump will take some number, I think it's 10 tubes, free.
[15:34:15] <jdh> the fixture taht finally died is bolted to some stuff and harder to replace. ballast would be simpler
[15:34:15] <PetefromTn_> Art is NOT a bullshitter let me tell you and he says he thinks it is going to work great. He said the light is VERY bright and white. Let alone the power savings they will bring assuming they work.
[15:34:48] <PetefromTn_> Lots of people use these strips for under cabinet lighting and crown mold up lighting we did it for our cabinet installs at the shop.
[15:35:09] <furrywolf> cheap led strips are NOT more efficient than fluorescents. you will not see power savings switching from fluorescent to most LED products.
[15:35:15] <PetefromTn_> I have little doubt about the longevity and brightness of the strips
[15:35:33] <PetefromTn_> do you have evidence to back this up?
[15:36:12] <PetefromTn_> honestly I just wanted to see if anyone else here has tried this...
[15:36:19] <PetefromTn_> the answer must be no
[15:36:24] <PetefromTn_> so thanks anyway
[15:36:34] <jdh> I'd be happy for you to come replace a few of mine for testing.
[15:36:37] <PetefromTn_> gotta go out to do some work in the shop now....
[15:37:08] <furrywolf> I have five 10m led strips... I just haven't tried stuffing them in fluorescent fixtures.
[15:37:18] <furrywolf> as to evidence, you can google lm/w ratings too. :)
[15:42:02] <furrywolf> first random 4ft t8 bulb I found puts out 3000lm (initial! they degrade sharply with age) from 32W, for 94lm/w. the costco LED fixtures put out 3700lm from 38W, for 97lm/w. with the fluorescent, half the light has to bounce off the reflector. some of it is at a good angle and 90% bounces out, some of it bounces back into the bulb and doesn't make it out. actual light output is substantially lower than the bulb output, especially if y
[15:44:28] <furrywolf> Not finding too many detailed specs on strip leds, one claims 60lm/w, another 100lm/watt. these are ratings of only the bare strip, not including an 80-90% supply efficiency.
[15:45:31] <furrywolf> another is "82 Lumens / 1.5 Watts per foot", or 55lm/w. again not including power supply losses.
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[15:47:08] <SpeedEvil> If you DIY, you can approach 200lm/W
[15:47:23] <SpeedEvil> If you don't care much about colour temperature.
[15:48:31] <SpeedEvil> 'all' the retail LED lamps are using the LEDs at their rated wattage, for obvious reasons.
[15:48:56] <furrywolf> a site claiming to have "Brightest LED strip lights on the market " is ungodly expensive, "Needs to be attached to aluminum for heat dissipation", and is 874lm/ft, 8.9W/ft, so 98lm/w (not including power supply losses, figure 80-90lm/w with them).
[15:49:05] <SpeedEvil> If you derate teh LEDs to 33%, you typically get a 30-50% improvement in light output. Then, again, you can easily gain 10% for a more efficient PSU
[15:49:34] <furrywolf> so depending on the LED strip, you may or may not exceed fluorescent's efficiency.
[15:50:13] <furrywolf> strip seems to vary very widely.
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[15:50:16] <SpeedEvil> Exceeding CFLs efficiency is usual.
[15:50:26] <SpeedEvil> Exceeding linear fluorescants is hard.
[15:51:01] <furrywolf> yep
[15:51:45] <SpeedEvil> Doing both is easy if you DIY.
[15:51:51] <furrywolf> the low-cost strip I'm finding seems to run 55-60lm/w at 12v, so 45-55ish at 120v... which makes even CFLs look good. only expensive strip compares to non-strip light sources.
[15:52:17] <SpeedEvil> Then again, ...
[15:52:39] <SpeedEvil> properly arranged striplinght as task lighting, not room lighting, may be _way_ more efficient than even the best lighting.
[15:52:57] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: how about glued to the inside of 48" shoplights? :)
[15:53:26] <SpeedEvil> If they're aluminium, they might almost be easy to do.
[15:53:40] <Akex_> JT-Shop: thanks for yesterday
[15:53:41] <SpeedEvil> glue on some stars, put an efficient DC-DC in there.
[15:53:48] <Akex_> My button work fine
[15:54:05] <Akex_> Hy all just another question
[15:54:15] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: I'm trying to convince pete that just buying LED shoplights is easier, cheaper, and more efficient than DIYing them from old shoplights and led strips. :)
[15:54:30] <SpeedEvil> yeah - from LED strips, I'd agree
[15:54:37] <Akex_> There are a Gcode for reload a tool table ?
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[16:02:33] <Sync> heh
[16:02:47] <Sync> scraping the cross slide is quick work with the biax
[16:03:48] <furrywolf> it's drizzling outside... is it worth trying to find yard sales?
[16:04:13] <furrywolf> on one paw, I've had really good luck at yard sale this summer... on the other paw, it's not summer anymore.
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[16:07:13] <furrywolf> bbl
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[16:14:56] <Sync> and in to the dishwasher the saddle goes
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[16:35:40] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/4oUgUEU I'll just leave this here ;)
[16:36:24] <archivist> glare
[16:37:19] <archivist> and different colour tubes/LEDs in those fittings
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[19:26:26] <OhmEye> Aloha. I installed linuxcnc 2.7 using the livecd and am confused why the docs call it ubuntu when it appears to be debian wheezy. Some steps in the docs don't match or exist because the livecd isn't using ubuntu. Is there an ubuntu livecd? The only one I see linked is wheezy
[19:27:37] <Wolf_> I think wheezy is the new thing
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[19:27:55] <OhmEye> ah, so just docs not caught up yet probably
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[19:29:29] <Wolf_> I dunno, I started with 2.7 pre7, haven’t had to use the docs too much for install, most of the configuration stuff doesn’t matter which its on I think
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[19:30:11] <aventtini6> hellooo
[19:30:47] <Wolf_> I really need to start modeling stuff fully before making it...
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[19:31:39] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/JAQu2yN.png?1 motor won’t fit cause I didn’t leave enough room for the ball screw shaft and couplers lol
[19:31:53] <aventtini6> how know this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0rVbVixMw8
[19:31:58] <MattyMatt> model it in balsa?
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[19:32:04] <OhmEye> it doesn't. really. I am mostly curious. there is OS stuff like automating login that doesn't match the docs that I had to figure out. not a big deal, just want to make sure I'm using the right thing
[19:32:32] <OhmEye> wheezy is like 2.5 years old, so thought maybe I had something ancient for a moment,.heh
[19:32:44] <Wolf_> hah, yeah that got me too, I was looking for the autologin stuff as well
[19:34:05] <OhmEye> I have a new cnc3020 and am going through the learning curve on it now, so doublechecking a lot of stuff as I go along, heh
[19:35:10] <OhmEye> was pleasantly surprised the spindle PWM was prewired with a switch out of the box, was expecting to have to do that based on reading around the web. Just doing things one step at a time
[19:37:01] <andypugh> Wolf_: At least you discovered that in CAD rather than metal.
[19:37:21] <Wolf_> andypugh: nope http://i.imgur.com/cbTjU5A.jpg
[19:37:30] <andypugh> (though there looks to e room there to me)
[19:39:52] <DaViruz> Wolf_: what kind of collets do you plan to run with the pneumatic drawbar?
[19:40:00] <DaViruz> MT-collets?
[19:40:05] <andypugh> One (extreme) solution: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/uncategorised-metalworking-machines/172314-cnc.html
[19:40:11] <Wolf_> thats a r8 setup
[19:40:15] <DaViruz> oh
[19:40:22] <Wolf_> with tormach holders
[19:40:23] <andypugh> Tormach TTS?
[19:40:30] <DaViruz> oh, i see you've modified the spindle carrier now
[19:40:51] <DaViruz> (i have an X1 as well, which i have made provisions for pneumatic drawbar on)
[19:41:06] <Wolf_> thats a x2 head and column
[19:41:23] <DaViruz> i see
[19:41:45] <Wolf_> well, most of the head anyways
[19:42:16] <Wolf_> spindle half of is a high torque mini mill head
[19:42:33] <Wolf_> so, no holes for the high/low gears
[19:42:34] <DaViruz> i planned to run morse taper collets on mine, though i'm not sure a 80mm cylinder would have the oomph to release them
[19:42:48] <andypugh> Why do Aliexpress advertise sexy ladies clothing to me? I am about the least likely person in the world to buy any.
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[19:44:04] <DaViruz> i also had som vague plans to rebore the spindle for R8
[19:44:33] <Sync> andypugh: they can try, tho
[19:44:47] <DaViruz> ..then i got a real cnc mill with bt30 spindle
[19:44:56] <Wolf_> that cylinder is a 3”, there has been some question to if 658lbs springs are enough to hold it
[19:45:35] <DaViruz> but now i have to sell the big mill, so i might need to start working on the X1 again. though it works good enough for me with manual tool changes
[19:45:44] <andypugh> Sync: But they stand more chance selling me tooling or computer parts
[19:46:09] <DaViruz> http://www.blocket.se/vi/63155445.htm
[19:46:11] <DaViruz> please buy it!
[19:46:12] <DaViruz> :)
[19:49:39] <Wolf_> I think shipping would kill me on that
[19:51:09] <DaViruz> probably
[19:51:27] <Wolf_> intersting setup andypugh
[19:53:08] <Sync> hmm, I need to stop going to finishing way too early when scraping
[19:54:19] <Wolf_> DaViruz: seeing you mentioned a X1 http://i.imgur.com/kYDtEtW.jpg :D
[19:54:58] <MattyMatt> hex boring looks fun :)
[19:55:34] <DaViruz> interesting.. :)
[19:55:40] <MattyMatt> they coulda done that 100 years ago with cams
[19:56:13] <MattyMatt> maybe those B&S screw machines do, for external hex
[19:57:58] <MattyMatt> toolpost \o/ http://i.imgur.com/tqLSe6W.jpg
[19:59:17] <Sync> are those two universal shaft bearing blocks?
[19:59:24] <DaViruz> looks like
[19:59:58] <MattyMatt> arr
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[20:00:31] <MattyMatt> original was a yoke. so I consider this an upgrade
[20:01:11] <MattyMatt> even tho I've lost an inch or two of bed, and the gap
[20:02:50] <aventtini6> guy has any of you own a toyoda vmc
[20:02:50] <aventtini6> ?
[20:07:52] <MattyMatt> http://imgur.com/a/piCdr#3 Here's what mine must have looked like once
[20:08:02] <MattyMatt> ^lathe not toyota
[20:08:16] <aventtini6> VMC
[20:09:18] <MattyMatt> oops sorry :)
[20:09:37] <Wolf_> thats diffrent... lol
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[20:11:25] <andypugh> MattyMatt: Have you looked through lathes.co.uk?
[20:11:43] <andypugh> (Admittedly that does take quite a long time)
[20:11:43] <MattyMatt> yep, couldn't see it there
[20:12:32] <MattyMatt> and I hadn't seen that photo at the time
[20:12:53] <MattyMatt> my curiosity is satisfied, mine is hardly a museum piece anymore
[20:13:00] <andypugh> I think I might have seen it there
[20:14:21] <aventtini6> im tryng to get a new project . A fadal from 93 or a toyoda from 91 with mitubishi drives
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[20:27:28] <Sync> gave up on the maho?
[20:32:02] <aventtini6> not yet
[20:32:04] <XXCoder> fadal 93 sucks
[20:32:14] <aventtini6> i found out they are 9v
[20:32:15] <XXCoder> I like fadal 1988 better even with its bad design issues.
[20:32:36] <XXCoder> 88 drains in back for example, not front like many machines.
[20:32:45] <aventtini6> im on it just on hold untill i fix the encoders
[20:33:21] <aventtini6> this toyoda has some mitubishi drives and absolute encoders no limits
[20:33:41] <aventtini6> so i was thinking its a new stuff unlike the fadal
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[20:50:31] <OhmEye> I'm looking for an open or linux based alternative to cambam to use with a cnc3020, any recommendations for something to look at?
[20:52:55] <MattyMatt> do you blender?
[20:53:00] <OhmEye> yes
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[20:53:41] <OhmEye> not so much for modelling, but for STL manipulation and video editing/compositing
[20:54:33] <MattyMatt> the CAM script for that works ok. no idea how it compares to cambam tho
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[20:54:45] <OhmEye> looking at blender cam now thanks
[20:55:09] <MattyMatt> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?GcodeGenerator
[20:55:25] <OhmEye> oh that's different. thanks again
[20:55:39] <OhmEye> was looking at http://blendercam.blogspot.com/p/blender-cam-description.html
[20:55:54] <andypugh> OhmEye: How do you feel about Linux but payed-for?
[20:56:16] <OhmEye> andypugh: fine if it's not out of my budget
[20:56:48] <OhmEye> has to be good enough vs windows options though
[20:57:02] <andypugh> I assume that CamBam Linux version was in-budget but not adequate?
[20:57:26] <OhmEye> I avoid anything based on mono by reflex, it's horribly unstable
[20:57:50] <andypugh> I have found CamBam stable on Linux
[20:58:03] <OhmEye> good to know, thanks :)
[20:58:14] <OhmEye> same license work for both lin and win?
[20:58:16] <andypugh> I am going to assume that NX is out of budget?
[20:59:01] <Deejay> gn8
[20:59:03] <OhmEye> no idea what nx costs tbh
[20:59:19] <andypugh> (Windows, Mac, Linux-like, I assume 10k$+ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_NX )
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[20:59:58] <OhmEye> yeah, way out of budget for a $600 small hobby router and my needs, heh
[21:01:16] <andypugh> It might be fun to ask them :-)
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[21:02:02] <MattyMatt> yay, I didn't know about Blender Cam. that looks a little more flexible
[21:02:03] <OhmEye> I asked solidworks in 2010 about a hobbyist license, that was kinda fun, heh
[21:02:28] <andypugh> Other than SheetCAM (2.5D at best, but good for 2D) I only know of Synergy: http://www.webersys.com that runs on Linux
[21:03:14] <MattyMatt> I took yoyoek's one and expanded it to do stuff with curves for me, but I chased it right up the 2.49 api alley
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[21:03:41] <andypugh> When my 30 day trial of InventorHSM expires I think I will be paying by the month for Autodesk Fusion 360 CAM on my Mac
[21:03:48] <OhmEye> tbh I think cambam looks like everything I need, it would just be more convenient to not use windows. And free is always nice but the price isn't bad for it
[21:04:23] <andypugh> CamBam is pretty good, the price is reasonable, and it does run on Linux.
[21:06:01] <OhmEye> heh. synergy talks a lot about how affordable it is but doesn't mention price that I see, just contact info. That's usually a clue it's more than hobby pricing but I will check them out thanks
[21:07:05] <MattyMatt> tell them it's for an apprentice
[21:07:16] <MattyMatt> they might give you student rate :)
[21:07:16] <OhmEye> yeah, as long as the cambam license lets me run on both win and lin, I'll probably do that, worst case if something is flaky on lin I can hop on a windows box
[21:07:42] <andypugh> MeshCAM is a bit more polished than CamBam for a bit more money. Not Linux-native but they say it runs under Wine.
[21:08:07] <OhmEye> wine is often much more stable than mono in my experience, good to know
[21:08:19] <humble_sea_bass> wine gives me intestinal distress
[21:09:50] <OhmEye> meshcam even mentions alibre file support
[21:10:06] <OhmEye> native file support is great when it works
[21:11:52] <ssi> andypugh: have you had luck with fusion on osx?
[21:12:05] <ssi> I tried it and it was slow enough to be unusable, on brand new modern hardware
[21:12:15] <ssi> I dunno if it was due to the fact that I have crappy slow internet here
[21:12:29] <andypugh> I haven’t used it hard, and haven’t touched the CAM part much.
[21:13:13] <andypugh> Hmm, Actually, I am getting confused between Fusion 360 and the Fusion App that I installed a wile back
[21:14:15] <XXCoder> wow sheetcam homepage is boring
[21:14:31] <XXCoder> so boring that google first few results is pages in that site but not homepage
[21:15:30] <OhmEye> any opinions on sheetcam?
[21:16:25] <XXCoder> synergy is priceless on website. I'm priced out
[21:17:08] <OhmEye> yeah the sheetcam site is like 1995 flashback, heh
[21:17:25] <XXCoder> scaled properly though
[21:17:41] <XXCoder> https://urukrama.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/setting-a-custom-gtk-theme-for-specific-applications/
[21:17:48] <XXCoder> 2008 but 1990s style lol
[21:17:53] <XXCoder> very small width
[21:20:00] <malcom2073> That was a good yard sale, got myself a tapamatic for $100
[21:20:13] <Wolf_> cool
[21:20:44] <malcom2073> My dad sold most of the aluminum and brass he brought, walked away well into the positive too
[21:20:53] <XXCoder> bobcam uses "powerful" "easily" a lot.
[21:23:12] <XXCoder> http://pycam.sourceforge.net/
[21:23:14] <XXCoder> HMM
[21:23:48] <malcom2073> I gave up on pycam after it took 2 hours to create a toolpath off its default model with default settings, and never actually finished heh
[21:24:04] <MattyMatt> http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/specs/Tapmatic_NCRT_10.jpg don't take it apart for fun :)
[21:24:07] <malcom2073> Maybe it's gotten better in the past 6 months though
[21:24:22] <malcom2073> Haha MattyMatt I have no plans to take this one apart, it looks brand new
[21:24:28] <malcom2073> I hear there is magic inside
[21:24:29] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: easy! heh jk
[21:26:58] <XXCoder> cad http://cad.about.com/od/Personal_CAD/tp/Five-Top-Free-Cad-Packages.htm
[21:29:32] <MattyMatt> that looks like a cunning ad for Draught* stuff. slipped in between the 3 best known
[21:30:01] <XXCoder> its not recommanded for seruous stuff
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[21:33:17] <XXCoder> other one that has draftsight in middle
[21:33:23] <XXCoder> *other site
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[21:37:54] <Sync> andypugh: the answer from NX/creo is "pirate it"
[21:38:01] <MattyMatt> is there anyone on youtube specialising in CAM reviews? that'd be a great way to get it all free
[21:38:12] <MattyMatt> I'd sell my
[21:38:14] <XXCoder> playing with librecad now
[21:38:30] <MattyMatt> a portion of my soul for SW and topsolid licences
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[21:39:57] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: Go to school, student licenses aren't terrible
[21:40:09] <MattyMatt> meh student fees are
[21:40:19] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: audit
[21:40:21] <malcom2073> Or join the US army, get the $20 veteran license
[21:40:27] <MattyMatt> £9000pa for Uni here now
[21:40:31] <Sync> or you just get it from your university
[21:40:41] <Wolf_> or torrent a hax copy :P
[21:40:47] <Wolf_> i mean demo
[21:40:48] <malcom2073> Shhhhhh
[21:41:10] <XXCoder> malcom2073: miliary do not always means vet. vet means went to war somewhere. all vets are soldiers but not all soldiers are vets
[21:41:15] <malcom2073> Torrenting does them a service, if you ever get a job where you have a choice between solidworks or something else, if you know solidworks due to torrenting, you're more likely to suggest your job buy it
[21:41:21] <MattyMatt> I did that, but then my concience kicked in and I never installed it
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[21:41:45] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: you heard of auditing classes?
[21:41:46] <malcom2073> XXCoder: dd214 card carrier rather
[21:41:56] <malcom2073> Which is everyone who is in
[21:41:58] <XXCoder> tend to be really cheap, but you dont get grades
[21:41:58] <MattyMatt> indeed. that's why win98 copy protection was crappy. the last thing they wanted was for you to find an alternative
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[21:42:35] <malcom2073> That being said, piracy is bad and you shouldn't do it
[21:42:43] <Sync> doeeet
[21:42:57] <XXCoder> I rather suspect that all versions before win10 but after win98 has bug that allows you to do full install from upgrade for pretty much same reason
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[21:43:12] <MattyMatt> if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. poor people should hack on blender
[21:43:15] <Wolf_> I look at it this way, a lot of downloaded stuff isn’t losing a sale of something you wouldnt buy…
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[21:43:16] <XXCoder> just install, dont put serial # in
[21:43:25] <XXCoder> then upgrade it using same cd, but use serial this time
[21:43:35] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I got windows 8 for free in a similar way
[21:44:31] <XXCoder> binary thinking
[21:44:41] <MattyMatt> ah don't put serial in at all. I was putting XP home in with genuine key off CD, then upgrading to pro with key off machine
[21:45:04] <MattyMatt> that worked once, but I can't reproduce it
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[21:45:08] <MattyMatt> and WGA fails
[21:45:27] <XXCoder> thats weird. must be specific bug to xp
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[21:46:47] <MattyMatt> is online XP activation supposed to be allowed atm?
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[21:47:34] <MattyMatt> I assert my right to run XP pro on my pile of deadish thinkpads
[21:47:44] <XXCoder> librecad seems allright for 2d
[21:48:06] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: dunno if microsoft still has xp activatuon servers up
[21:48:30] <XXCoder> if not well theres probably microsoft activation emulator for xp
[21:48:41] <MattyMatt> use for a raspi
[21:48:55] <MattyMatt> it can the update server too
[21:49:00] <MattyMatt> be
[21:49:41] <XXCoder> http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2529977/howto-activate-windows.html
[21:49:42] <MattyMatt> and the netboot, for the thinkpads that don't warrant a pata hdd purchase
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[21:59:11] <MattyMatt> one thing linux has done, is sap away the hacking energy that in the 80s would have disassembled every last dll of windows
[21:59:21] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-To-Bypass-Windows-30-day-Activation-Product-/?ALLSTEPS
[21:59:38] <XXCoder> I have moved on from windows so i dont have that problem anymore lol
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[22:00:39] <MattyMatt> "Now press the windows key + U and Microsoft Narrator should pop up. " tricky on a model M
[22:00:46] <MattyMatt> and an old thinkpad
[22:00:53] <XXCoder> usb keyboard
[22:00:56] <MattyMatt> :)
[22:01:06] <XXCoder> yeah thought it was more of perment thing. oh well
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[22:01:49] <XXCoder> it do give me a idea though
[22:02:02] <XXCoder> copy explorer.exe and replace activte exe file with it
[22:02:06] <XXCoder> rename same
[22:02:07] <MattyMatt> I can't find a modern distro that works well on them, even the ones with ati7500 which run ubuntu 10.04 fine
[22:02:11] <XXCoder> maybe it would work
[22:02:25] <XXCoder> ubuntu 5.0 or thereabouts would work
[22:02:42] <XXCoder> or damn small linux
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[22:02:59] <XXCoder> or puppy linux (this one I think is livecd/flashdrive only?)
[22:03:17] <Wolf_> fun, more parts to make… http://i.imgur.com/IlS0g40.png?1
[22:04:25] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: may have finally found it. https://www.facebook.com/notes/hacking-with-crazylearner/how-to-make-your-windows-xp-sp2sp3-genuine-no-crack-or-activator-needed/552668368116195
[22:06:01] <MattyMatt> sweet. I'll spend a day trying all these methods
[22:06:19] <MattyMatt> maybe first I'll make the netboot server, because 21 thinkpads
[22:06:32] <XXCoder> yeah imager would work
[22:06:35] <jdh> I have a win7 box at work that is off network that keeps saying it is not genuine
[22:06:36] <XXCoder> much faster
[22:08:22] <MattyMatt> usb 1.0 I ain't booting off usb either. netboot off 100Mb ether is probably fastest I can do
[22:08:51] <MattyMatt> and no sata ports, so I'm cold swapping approx 10 drives between 21 machines
[22:08:55] <JT-Shop> zlog
[22:08:55] <zlog> JT-Shop: Log stored at http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2015-10-10.html
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[22:09:04] <jdh> why are you using 21 ancient machines?
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[22:09:21] <MattyMatt> because they were £106 inluding delivery
[22:09:32] <MattyMatt> and one of them had the parts I need to fix mine :)
[22:09:42] <XXCoder> only one?
[22:09:46] <JT-Shop> Akex_, yw
[22:09:55] <XXCoder> and 106 each or for all, shipped?
[22:10:01] <MattyMatt> all shipped
[22:10:06] <XXCoder> dang
[22:10:11] <XXCoder> useless for me but good deal
[22:10:30] <MattyMatt> no psu, very few hdd, some keybs and screens dead
[22:10:50] <MattyMatt> but better nick than the parts collection I was expecting
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[22:11:16] <MattyMatt> so now I've got a farm of sick machines
[22:11:36] <MattyMatt> instead of the meat wagon I ordered
[22:11:40] <XXCoder> can you make 10 working laptops?
[22:11:51] <MattyMatt> easy 10, more like 15
[22:13:29] <MattyMatt> the parport showed up on the T31, but that's sooo slow. even with U10.04 running xfce
[22:13:41] <MattyMatt> too slow for Axis for sure
[22:14:09] <XXCoder> puppy linux>?
[22:14:22] <MattyMatt> is it headless? no X?
[22:14:30] <MattyMatt> that's what I need on these I think
[22:14:44] <XXCoder> it is normal linux os, but very very very lightweight
[22:14:54] <XXCoder> http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm
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[22:15:31] <XXCoder> its designed to run off flash drive or cd, but yeah
[22:16:23] <MattyMatt> meh, I either need RTLinux with the parports working, for disposable linuxcnc machines, or I need XP running so I can offload the laptops to family and friends
[22:16:33] <XXCoder> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[22:16:46] <XXCoder> its so small it can run on basically anything
[22:16:47] <MattyMatt> or I need a beowulf cluster :)
[22:16:57] <XXCoder> download itself is smaller than windows 98
[22:17:02] <XXCoder> 50 mb
[22:17:18] <XXCoder> its minium is 486dx 16 mb ram
[22:17:24] <XXCoder> so yeah it can run on your laptops
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[22:17:53] <jdh> I have a set of SLS floppies you an install
[22:18:01] <XXCoder> it havent been updated for a bit thoughh
[22:18:41] <MattyMatt> no floppy drives
[22:19:51] <MattyMatt> tell a lie. I think I have one in a DOA T21 I got, and that'll got in some of the working ones
[22:21:48] <MattyMatt> well every now and then I give a few hours to another attempt. I'm managing my expectations for these old ones
[22:22:18] <XXCoder> honestly $10 CHiP probably are faster than those laptops
[22:22:59] <MattyMatt> raspi was disappointing for a 4 core
[22:23:21] <XXCoder> CHiP is a complete computer
[22:23:31] <XXCoder> so most normal linux distro would work in it
[22:26:05] <MattyMatt> woulda coulda shoulda
[22:26:36] <XXCoder> my bro should get his soon
[22:26:44] <MattyMatt> they SHOULD work on old thinkpads. they were well supported by old kernels
[22:26:47] <XXCoder> while mine will come in dec.
[22:27:03] <XXCoder> DSL should work
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[22:27:26] <MattyMatt> I think it's something in modern X, that seems to have broken the old machines
[22:28:08] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/7pqBqyP When not to follow the plans
[22:28:11] <XXCoder> maybe
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[22:35:30] <JT-Shop> ssi_, you see the code?
[22:38:48] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: DO you think it is real? It looks like the windows will fail to drain.
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[22:42:30] <SpeedEvil> I'm about 90% sure it's photoshop.
[22:42:33] <SpeedEvil> But it amused.
[22:43:40] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: If you would tell which way the tiles were hanging you could tell for sure.
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[22:48:09] <JT-Shop> I purchased a car tire for my Spyder and the disclaimer says "because you purchased less than 4 tires you must mount it on the rear" good thing it is for the back tire lol
[22:48:23] <andypugh> google images for “upside down house” shows many, but not that one.
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[22:49:14] <andypugh> I can imagine that they might sell fewer than 4 tyres, but selling less than 4 is an odd concept.
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[22:52:46] <MattyMatt> unless it's 4 remoulds
[22:53:07] <MattyMatt> then you're getting less than 4 new ones
[22:53:36] <andypugh> I took the Ner-a-Car to France. Some minor roadside repairs were needed: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/QSqBNNCyEvvIp4iturKLOmBFMjvJ8uf7R3jx4_Kctgw?feat=directlink
[22:54:01] <MattyMatt> http://www.dezeen.com/2012/02/25/city-portraits-by-victor-enrich/ yep that building was photoshop
[22:55:40] <MattyMatt> my triumph resembled that more than a modern motorbike :)
[22:56:13] <MattyMatt> nice lowrider
[22:58:43] <MattyMatt> it took me 3 days to get home from devon. thankfully it was still in the days when you could find whitworth bolts in the gutter at truck stops
[22:59:06] <andypugh> It only took me 4.5 hours to do 20 miles.
[22:59:36] <andypugh> I must have taken the plug out a hundred times, but only took the engine out once.
[23:01:04] <andypugh> And I finally found a use for the connecting nuts that hold-down kits have, and the longest of the studs: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/FiA9gLbVBcagAD3MRxfXU9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
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[23:03:55] <andypugh> B&Q pricing for MDF boards makes no sense. A 1220 x 606 board is £13. A 120 x 2440 is £20. And they offer free cutting.
[23:04:10] <andypugh> (sorry, the second one was 1220)
[23:04:28] <MattyMatt> but the man who works the saw isn't always there
[23:05:06] <andypugh> The man who works the saw cut my 2440 x 1220 into 325mm squares for me. Which saved a fair bit of effort :-)
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[23:06:44] <MattyMatt> go on then, tell us what you need a giant block of mdf for
[23:07:43] <andypugh> I am making a foundry pattern
[23:08:21] <MattyMatt> that's a deep one
[23:08:26] <jthornton> that what a mill table is for...
[23:09:53] <MattyMatt> I keep crying about no inspection plate, forgetting I've got a lovely flat mill
[23:10:21] <MattyMatt> flat enough for marking out etc, anyway
[23:11:29] <andypugh> More on the pattern I am making, in “another place” http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?51085-Pattern-Making-(Off-Topic)
[23:12:38] <Sync> > 12" x 304.8mm x 8"
[23:12:44] <Sync> cdo kicking in hard
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[23:13:58] <Sync> andypugh: cheap closed cell foam is found in industrial estate insulation
[23:15:21] <andypugh> Insulation foam isn’t hard enough.
[23:15:55] <andypugh> They use lots of high density PU for proto jobs art work, but by the time I get my hands on it it has been machined. :-)
[23:16:52] <Sync> oh it is plenty hard
[23:17:04] <Sync> at least the stuff I get
[23:17:17] <Sync> it is softer than ureol, but still good enough for molds
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[23:18:41] <Sync> you can also just make your own PU core
[23:19:07] <andypugh> I have a large stack of shopping bags hoarded for that purpose.
[23:19:17] <andypugh> I just need to bother.
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[23:19:40] <Sync> I found the insulation stuff ideal
[23:19:46] <Sync> +to be
[23:20:05] <MattyMatt> £85 is cheaper than I'd have expected for a casting that size
[23:20:08] <Sync> after the negative is milled you add a bit of resin and polish it out
[23:20:09] <Jymmmm> FLUFFY FLUFFY FLUFFY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu_m5diSk4k
[23:20:15] <andypugh> I have tried the blue stuff, and that didn’t work.
[23:20:22] <MattyMatt> is that in iron?
[23:20:36] <andypugh> MattyMatt: Yes
[23:24:40] <andypugh> It looks like he doesn’t have a web site any more, but https://plus.google.com/117843202793672038457/posts
[23:25:05] <andypugh> (Actually, the “about tab is better”)
[23:25:29] <jthornton> cool, I can parse the dxf file and get the entities out and put each one in a slice... on to finding the xyz end points
[23:25:40] <andypugh> Generally cheaper than buying a block of aluminium and milling from solid. And you end up with a better thing.
[23:28:30] <MattyMatt> I should enquire at local founder I hear is in New Brighton
[23:29:11] <MattyMatt> seeing as I'll never melt metal on momma's land, while she has the strength to stop me
[23:30:25] <MattyMatt> she's away till monday actually. stealth melt tomorrow?
[23:30:48] <MattyMatt> meh, not set up for it. no sand
[23:31:20] <MattyMatt> I've got bricks and a bag of charcoal, for a one shot furnace
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[23:45:06] <Jymmmm> FLUFFY FLUFFY FLUFFY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccnwzScp6bM
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[23:49:31] <zeeshan> hello :d
[23:49:45] <zeeshan> what a long day :p
[23:49:46] <zeeshan> 12 hours!
[23:51:34] <XXCoder> zeeshan: good morning
[23:51:46] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/lJiIs
[23:51:49] <zeeshan> todays action shots
[23:51:54] <zeeshan> moved like 1500lb or stuff
[23:52:04] <zeeshan> note the sharpie on the spindle motor
[23:52:04] <zeeshan> :D
[23:52:10] <zeeshan> that motor is huge!
[23:53:48] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:53:52] <XXCoder> lathe?
[23:55:58] <Sync> I was gonna say it is quite a lot smaller than I expected from the pictures
[23:58:33] <andypugh> The X servo doesn’t lack heft
[23:59:50] <andypugh> The thing with the multi-groove pulley is a spindle gearbox?