#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-10-08

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[00:02:01] <Tom_itx> one continuous one, they just hot seal it
[00:02:46] <Wolf_Mill> continuous ziplocks?
[00:05:30] <renesis> i used to get mu dub sacs from mcmaster
[00:05:41] <Tom_itx> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://b2bimg.bridgat.com/files/Continuous_rolled_garbage_bag_making_machine.jpg&imgrefurl=http://b2b.bridgat.com/plastic_machinery-b2148_13.html&h=319&w=528&tbnid=bWc2Fq9srzlaJM:&docid=cSWl3kdySVHb2M&ei=ILMVVt32F8SdNqLQvvAG&tbm=isch&ved=0CEoQMygjMCNqFQoTCN2GhOTJscgCFcSODQodIqgPbg
[00:05:45] <Tom_itx> Wolf_Mill, yes
[00:05:48] <renesis> so many size and thickness choices!
[00:06:16] <renesis> tom_itx: are you sure, theyre always the same size, they even have thise ywllow tagging area
[00:06:27] <renesis> like theyre cut in the same place every time
[00:06:33] <Tom_itx> no, i've never ordered from em actually :)
[00:07:09] <renesis> digikey uses that pulled papper mesh packing material, i bet they have a machine that makes that
[00:07:17] <Tom_itx> just saying they've probably got it automated
[00:07:53] <renesis> dunno theyre already buying a fuck ton of bags froom the bag factory, they prob just asked for a container of what they use to ship
[00:08:05] <Wolf_Mill> ^
[00:08:22] <Wolf_Mill> I have mcmaster baggies all around my bench now lol
[00:08:30] <renesis> yellow on one side!
[00:08:50] <renesis> its almost like their branding
[00:09:54] <Wolf_Mill> love how parts that are already bagged come in another bag
[00:12:34] <zeeshan|2> lol tom
[00:12:48] <renesis> wolf_mill: i think its how they stage them for shipping
[00:12:54] <zeeshan|2> Wolf_Mill: i wish you were closer to me
[00:13:01] <zeeshan|2> youre the type of guy id be friends with locally :P
[00:13:05] <renesis> a lot of times the bags and the packing slips are marked up
[00:13:13] <zeeshan|2> i see your diesel truck !
[00:13:35] <Wolf_Mill> heh
[00:13:57] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: about 250lb of tools
[00:13:59] <zeeshan|2> packled
[00:14:04] <zeeshan|2> i kept some gear pullers
[00:14:20] <zeeshan|2> cause im not leaving the pulley w/ the motor
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[00:17:17] <Tom_itx> i'd replace it with a timing pulley though
[00:18:06] <zeeshan|2> dont replace if it works :D
[00:18:20] <Tom_itx> yeah i suppose that would be quite expensive
[00:18:48] <zeeshan|2> hi pete
[00:18:52] <zeeshan|2> how goes those flanges
[00:18:54] <zeeshan|2> and that facemill
[00:21:29] <PetefromTn_> hey man
[00:21:53] <PetefromTn_> well I JUST got the facemill today in the mail but unfortunately I did not receive the arbor or the inserts yet
[00:21:59] <zeeshan|2> damn
[00:22:11] <PetefromTn_> I was SUPPOSED to go pick up the material after work today but I was unable to
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[00:22:26] <PetefromTn_> I was up real late last night working on the vertical CNC lathe in the mill work
[00:22:34] <PetefromTn_> so I am kinda dragging ass right now
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[00:22:48] <PetefromTn_> but the machine is warming up so I can get some more work done here
[00:23:43] <Wolf_Mill> I dunno zeeshan|2, I'm still blaming you for the shortage of cheap AMC BE25A20s :P
[00:23:50] <zeeshan|2> lol
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[00:24:09] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 Did you see my Tig efforts for the day LOL
[00:24:13] <zeeshan|2> no
[00:24:19] <PetefromTn_> hang on a sec
[00:24:23] <zeeshan|2> lets see!
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[00:25:15] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/sKRX7Dz
[00:25:34] <zeeshan|2> beautiful man!
[00:25:43] <zeeshan|2> looks so good!
[00:25:50] <zeeshan|2> take that toxic fab !
[00:25:52] <PetefromTn_> thanks man I am REALLY trying to learn to do this
[00:25:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah right I wish
[00:26:06] <PetefromTn_> that guy is unbelievable
[00:26:16] <zeeshan|2> that weld is top notch
[00:26:21] <zeeshan|2> race car quality
[00:26:22] <zeeshan|2> i like
[00:26:33] <PetefromTn_> thanks man that means a lot coming from you..
[00:27:23] <PetefromTn_> that was a downpipe for an RX7 that WAS coated but they switched turbos and I had to cut and extend the tube a little bit as well as angle it slightly to fit the new turbo location
[00:27:45] <PetefromTn_> I hate grinding away that coating it is a PIA
[00:27:51] <Wolf_Mill> that looks good :)
[00:28:00] <zeeshan|2> yea f coating :/
[00:28:24] <PetefromTn_> and the vee band had to be cut off and the crud removed, stub of tube removed from it before i could reweld it.
[00:28:33] <PetefromTn_> Thanks Wolf!
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[00:29:42] <PetefromTn_> my wife is watching this video where someone dressed up a little dog like a bigass spider with moving legs and it scares the shit out of people....they are all cracking up here LOL
[00:29:43] <Wolf_Mill> arg need to pull the x2 head off and drill 3 holes in it
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[00:30:35] <PCW> Why dont you just keep your 20HP motor and drive it "gently"
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[00:30:52] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: Don't try with armed populus.
[00:31:06] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[00:31:26] <zeeshan|2> pcw: dont need all that power
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[00:31:29] <PetefromTn_> whats funny is the little dog is probably thinking hey pet me pet me and the people are running for thier lives LOL
[00:31:49] <PCW> dont load it more than 10 HP worth...
[00:32:11] <zeeshan|2> i wanna be able to spin it up fast and slow down fast
[00:32:15] <zeeshan|2> thats more important than power :P
[00:32:24] <zeeshan|2> cause ill never ever go more tha 5hp per cut
[00:32:55] <zeeshan|2> last time i tried to use a 1hp vfd to drive a 3hp motor
[00:32:58] <zeeshan|2> i failed miserably :P
[00:33:34] <PCW> what currently drives the spindle?
[00:33:50] <zeeshan|2> not sure
[00:33:58] <zeeshan|2> some big ass fanuc module
[00:34:16] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan's hands LOL
[00:34:24] <zeeshan|2> rofl
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[00:40:28] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/nnmHpXi new 3d printing technology
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[00:49:24] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CREATURE-REACHER-MIDNIGHT-HOWL-ADULT-MENS-COSTUME-Monster-Wolf-Theme-Halloween-/400676919063?hash=item5d4a349717 I REALLY want one of these...
[00:51:46] <os1r1s> SpeedEvil: I prefer this one http://gallery.mounicou.com/photos/i-qPJ75dw/0/L/i-qPJ75dw-L.jpg
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[00:57:40] <renesis> wow another totally non functional cosmetic 3d printed part
[00:57:43] <renesis> what a surprise!
[00:58:00] <renesis> i guess thats mean you can totally use that for chess
[00:59:45] <os1r1s> renesis: That was a fun part. It is used to print titanium implants.
[00:59:58] <os1r1s> renesis: So not useless. Quite useful.
[01:00:55] <renesis> thats ti?
[01:01:02] <os1r1s> Yes
[01:01:18] <renesis> its SLA type printing?
[01:01:49] <os1r1s> It is done on an SLS 3d printer.
[01:01:57] <jdh> I'm waiting on a couple of useful 3d printed parts at work
[01:02:13] <renesis> yeah mostly i have issue with FDM parts at work
[01:02:41] <renesis> they usually suck dimensionally, and theyre nowhere near the strength of the filament material
[01:03:02] <os1r1s> There is a place for that as well. It depends on how well its built and calibrated.
[01:03:14] <renesis> so i get handed an FDM version of a molded ABS part, and without fail the screw bosses exploded
[01:03:38] <renesis> this is stratasys stuff usually
[01:03:40] <malcom2073> See that's poor design
[01:03:46] <malcom2073> you don't FDM parts that are designed to be moulded
[01:03:51] <renesis> yeah you do
[01:03:56] <renesis> and people like me make it work
[01:03:57] <malcom2073> They require different kind of designs
[01:04:20] <malcom2073> Sorry, you should't :P Not that you don't
[01:04:23] <renesis> sure but most of consumer manufacturing is using them for fast prototype of production parts
[01:04:25] <malcom2073> Lots of people do heh
[01:04:32] <renesis> prob most of the customers in terms of money
[01:05:44] <renesis> production on 3d printing is prob close to non existent compared to prototype uses, and in prototype use its probably being used because its faster than outsourcing machined or SLA prototypes
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[01:05:54] <renesis> so for its #1 use, it sucks
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[01:06:12] <renesis> unless you consider its #1 use printing hobby knick nacks, then theyre awesome
[01:06:25] <malcom2073> I consider most people idiots
[01:06:30] <renesis> objet uv set prints are cool but have other similar issues
[01:06:53] <renesis> well it works, and its faster and cheaper and gets results, its just drama
[01:07:12] <renesis> to get machined ABS, would usually takes days to couple weeks and was $$$
[01:07:13] <os1r1s> renesis: I think for prototyping its hard to beat.
[01:07:24] <renesis> in terms of time and money, ya
[01:07:34] <malcom2073> When you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail, but people still complain when driving a screw with a hammer sucks
[01:07:49] <renesis> in terms of quality, machined and SLA is a lot better to work with than FDM and uv set ink
[01:08:35] <os1r1s> renesis: Sure, and there is a place for that too. Its a lot messier to deal with and comes with its own set of issues.
[01:08:44] <renesis> also consistency and maintenance on everything except the stratasys stuff was fucked =\
[01:08:57] <renesis> os1r1s: right so its outsourced, so its time and $$$
[01:09:03] <renesis> same with machined plastic
[01:09:22] <renesis> machined plastic is honestly the best to work with, its very close to the final part in terms of strength
[01:09:33] <renesis> SLA is sex but its brittle
[01:09:49] <os1r1s> renesis: Depends on the material
[01:09:49] <renesis> is the metal stuff similar? or its close to cast parts
[01:09:56] <os1r1s> Not all SLA is brittle.
[01:10:09] <os1r1s> The metal is on par with my SLA prints
[01:10:11] <renesis> everything ive worked with is the milky clear shit
[01:10:18] <os1r1s> Except the supports are weird
[01:10:27] <os1r1s> And must be removed with heavy machinery
[01:10:28] <SpeedEvil> renesis: It depends on the printer. There are ones with actual fused metal
[01:10:34] <SpeedEvil> They are uncheap
[01:10:45] <renesis> right thats some mil/aero level shit
[01:10:59] <renesis> i do home/pro/studio audio, heh
[01:11:03] <SpeedEvil> They have 1kW lasers.
[01:11:06] <SpeedEvil> or e-beam.
[01:11:12] <os1r1s> SpeedEvil: The one I pointed to above is.
[01:11:16] <jdh> mine are being made of fused SS
[01:11:19] <os1r1s> Or the print from it
[01:11:42] <renesis> anyway 20 years from now i think a lot of normal production will be 3d printed
[01:11:57] <renesis> but right now, affordable solutions mostly piss me off
[01:12:30] <os1r1s> renesis: We use a Chiron for the bulk plates. And swiss turn machines for the screws.
[01:12:54] <renesis> nice
[01:13:23] <os1r1s> The chirons are really nice.
[01:13:33] <renesis> theres a dental manufacturing place near where i used to live, always had job postings for expensive screw machine drivers
[01:15:09] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Any progress?
[01:15:23] <os1r1s> renesis: This is one of our current manufacturing cells https://www.dropbox.com/s/ix261n7pzvmzggb/shop3.jpg
[01:15:47] <renesis> tidy, dense
[01:16:33] <malcom2073> Heh, I wish I could take a picture of ours
[01:16:46] <malcom2073> Imagine that, but after 3 years of non machinests running it and no management
[01:17:17] <renesis> so like a parts and tools explosion with random oil stained paperwork?
[01:17:37] <malcom2073> And chips every where
[01:17:45] <renesis> aw that sucks
[01:17:45] <malcom2073> When I say non machinests, I mean engineers
[01:17:53] <malcom2073> Yeah it's a sad state
[01:18:14] <renesis> the coolest thing about the 3d printers at places i been at, the ME handle their own post processing
[01:18:31] <renesis> place was big enough, they had ME specific techs to do it
[01:19:12] <renesis> fuck if im gonna spend all day hacking at support material
[01:19:31] <malcom2073> Lol
[01:19:47] <malcom2073> I can't wait until I get my mill up and running, I love running machines
[01:20:16] <CaptHindsight> renesis: which SLA printers have you used?
[01:20:42] <renesis> i dont, weve always had them contracted
[01:20:57] <renesis> 3 places ive been have had stratasys FDM
[01:21:07] <renesis> one of those also had object uv set ink printers
[01:21:30] <renesis> which are cooler in terms of dimension and finish, but their weird in terms of strength
[01:21:38] <renesis> like a very hard cheese almost, heh
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[01:21:57] <CaptHindsight> was wondering about the milky clear resins
[01:21:58] <renesis> also some people are allergic to it, hands get rashes when they handle the parts a lot
[01:22:37] <renesis> yeah every SLA ive worked with is the same semi translucent white material
[01:22:51] <renesis> nothing is sexier than the SLA in terms of look, heh
[01:23:21] <CaptHindsight> Objet and Stratasys are only interested in selling printers for prototyping
[01:23:28] <renesis> even brittle, it seems stronger than the FDM stuff
[01:23:42] <renesis> as opposed to production?
[01:23:48] <CaptHindsight> but since they hold the patents the 80's tech has stalled
[01:23:49] <renesis> they would break down
[01:24:09] <renesis> well, in their current form
[01:24:36] <renesis> well, maybe not, ive seen them cycled for weeks no break, but theyre slow for production
[01:25:03] <CaptHindsight> yes, slow but they don't care
[01:25:09] <renesis> honestly i think the biggest thing the stratasys systems have over the consumer systems, the statasys has a toothbrush for the extruder tip
[01:25:21] <renesis> i bet thats where the majority of the reliability difference comes from
[01:25:45] <CaptHindsight> and the materials are marked up 10x their cost
[01:26:13] <renesis> if they went into production, they would have to go faster with about the same level of maintenance, and i think they prob see that as a customer support black hole
[01:26:34] <renesis> yeah object ink carts were fucked up expensive
[01:27:03] <renesis> i dont remember anyone complaining as much about the stratasys spools
[01:27:48] <zeeshan|2> os1r1s: very clean shop
[01:27:48] <PetefromTn_> just got an email from DMM tech with some specials on their AC servos and drives. Up to 35 percent off ebay specials.
[01:27:50] <zeeshan|2> i like what i see
[01:27:51] <renesis> if i needed one for a job, id prob try and get a used/refurbed/b-stock type unit direct from statasys
[01:28:10] <os1r1s> zeeshan|2: Thats one of 15-20 cells
[01:28:26] <PetefromTn_> that is indeed a spanky clean well equipped shop. Doosans?
[01:28:31] <zeeshan|2> the production facility i op tech'ed at a lot of years ago
[01:28:32] <renesis> all one building or you got a campus?
[01:28:38] <zeeshan|2> had a lot more machines than that
[01:28:42] <zeeshan|2> but boy was it not cealn like that
[01:28:50] <zeeshan|2> i have never worked in such a clean shop
[01:29:01] <zeeshan|2> you're lucky :)
[01:29:05] <zeeshan|2> is it temp controlled?
[01:29:15] <renesis> FADAL factory was kind of like that
[01:29:21] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: made in usa ?
[01:29:33] <PetefromTn_> the first shop I worked in has a bunch of machines in a long narrow building like that I think they had 20. All HAAS machines and it was very clean as well.
[01:29:48] <renesis> nom haas
[01:29:48] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: this shop looks like
[01:29:50] <zeeshan|2> they dont even machine anything
[01:29:51] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:29:58] <zeeshan|2> its a show room :D
[01:29:59] <PetefromTn_> I know right..
[01:30:05] <renesis> guys do you think haas F1 gonna win all the things!?
[01:30:07] <PetefromTn_> where is the spilled coolant and chips?
[01:30:23] <renesis> mop
[01:30:36] <zeeshan|2> i really haev grown more respect for haas
[01:30:43] <zeeshan|2> after watching their "how its made" video
[01:30:46] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 not sure where they are made most likely china like everything else
[01:30:47] <zeeshan|2> they know what they're doing
[01:30:59] <zeeshan|2> and theyre manufactured in usa
[01:31:01] <zeeshan|2> except the castings
[01:31:08] <renesis> zeeshan|2: all the old guys in LA talk very highly of the machines and the man
[01:31:12] <PetefromTn_> honestly I have run a BUNCH of HAAS VMC's and they are pretty nice I think.
[01:31:14] <os1r1s> zeeshan|2: I don't work in the shop, but that is our shop. It is ACed/Heated/ventilated/etc
[01:31:21] <renesis> heh, castings from china is how FADAL got fucked
[01:31:24] <zeeshan|2> os1r1s: ah
[01:31:27] <zeeshan|2> what do you do? :P
[01:31:44] <PetefromTn_> I don't think HAAS castings are made elsewhere
[01:31:46] <os1r1s> I have teams that develop software
[01:31:56] <PetefromTn_> I think they are made in michigan or something like that.
[01:32:03] <zeeshan|2> oh
[01:32:19] <zeeshan|2> well i know this much
[01:32:25] <zeeshan|2> as long as it's not a tormach
[01:32:31] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[01:32:32] <zeeshan|2> and a matsuura, haas
[01:32:33] <zeeshan|2> etc
[01:32:36] <zeeshan|2> you'er good to go :D
[01:32:55] <PetefromTn_> Matsuura is awesome but VERY expensive
[01:33:08] <renesis> minimill isnt that much, base model
[01:33:20] <zeeshan|2> renesis: if i needed a tormach
[01:33:23] <zeeshan|2> i'd go buy a mag drill
[01:33:24] <renesis> prob still 3x more than the tormach, but i think the Y isnt as shitty
[01:33:26] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[01:33:49] <zeeshan|2> i have no respect for tormach
[01:33:56] <zeeshan|2> :P
[01:34:07] <renesis> yeah $35k for a minimill
[01:34:22] <PetefromTn_> Those guys local have a small shop and a TM1 and it was surprisingly nice when I visited to see them.
[01:34:22] <renesis> dont think it comes with the toolchanger tho
[01:34:24] <zeeshan|2> how are you comparing a minimill with tormach
[01:34:32] <zeeshan|2> they're a different class
[01:34:40] <renesis> because i think its the smallest thing haas makes?
[01:34:45] <zeeshan|2> there's nothing much mini about the minimill
[01:34:45] <PetefromTn_> TOTALLY different class
[01:34:45] <zeeshan|2> :P
[01:35:00] <renesis> right which is why i think its odd you compared in the first place, shrug
[01:35:14] <PetefromTn_> I think they make something called an office mill that MIGHT be compared to a tormach but again not really
[01:35:35] <PetefromTn_> its supposed to fit thru typical doorways
[01:35:48] <zeeshan|2> if you had 100k
[01:35:53] <renesis> ha
[01:35:54] <zeeshan|2> would you buy a haas?
[01:35:58] <renesis> office mill is $70k
[01:36:07] <renesis> ill take the minimill thanks
[01:36:27] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feNyf6JHzNA
[01:37:06] <renesis> almost 1' cube work envelope
[01:37:09] <renesis> not so bad
[01:37:40] <zeeshan|2> i think the reason i havent seen haas
[01:37:55] <zeeshan|2> mass production facility (remember me definition of mass production!)
[01:38:04] <zeeshan|2> is because the people aren't familiar with haas
[01:38:11] <zeeshan|2> they're all about fanuc and sinumerik
[01:38:33] <zeeshan|2> companies prolly dont wanna pay for training
[01:38:41] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S8UY6wVneo
[01:38:43] <renesis> shrug, at westec everyone who isnt a competitor of haas uses haas to demo their tools
[01:39:08] <renesis> like, literally everyone not selling machines has a haas
[01:39:08] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: i really like how has usses those rails
[01:39:10] <zeeshan|2> that bolt on
[01:39:15] <zeeshan|2> so if they ever wear out
[01:39:17] <zeeshan|2> guess what you can replace em!
[01:40:05] <zeeshan|2> holy cow on that 3d surface
[01:40:09] <zeeshan|2> that is FAST
[01:40:56] <zeeshan|2> what do you think the rapid is on that machine
[01:41:01] <zeeshan|2> 1500 ipm?
[01:41:07] <PetefromTn_> watch that toolchange at the end
[01:41:19] <zeeshan|2> what tool change? :-)
[01:41:25] <renesis> 2400 ipm
[01:41:27] <zeeshan|2> Drill/Tap Center; 20" x 16" x 15.5" (508 x 406 x 394 mm), BT30 taper, 15 hp (11.2 kW) vector drive, 15,000 rpm, 2400 ipm (61 m/min) rapids
[01:41:28] <zeeshan|2> jeez
[01:41:43] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:41:45] <zeeshan|2> @ usb port
[01:41:48] <zeeshan|2> as a feature
[01:41:49] <zeeshan|2> hahaha
[01:42:11] <zeeshan|2> god 1mb program memory
[01:42:13] <zeeshan|2> thats kind of anoying
[01:42:13] <renesis> we had to load our minimill up with rs232 link to an ancient pc
[01:42:15] <zeeshan|2> its 2015..
[01:42:17] <zeeshan|2> ..
[01:42:20] <renesis> gcode on floppies
[01:43:03] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: my man hood .. :(
[01:43:06] <zeeshan|2> that tool change is FAST
[01:43:07] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdC5v-QCx7o better toolchange
[01:43:32] <Tom_itx> those prefetch tools with the swingarm toolchanger are pretty quick
[01:43:44] <Tom_itx> a couple of our okumas had those
[01:43:57] <Tom_itx> you don't wanna get in the way
[01:44:17] <PetefromTn_> used to be a drill and tap center was not much for milling but these newer machines from HAAS and Brother are STUPID fast and can still hog some metal pretty good
[01:44:22] <renesis> ha i always felt like it was going to tip from the lateral force slamming into the tool change carousel
[01:44:24] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: the other day i was using my round insert face mill
[01:44:29] <zeeshan|2> i was getting a shitty finish at 15ipm
[01:44:33] <zeeshan|2> @ 2000 rpm
[01:44:37] <zeeshan|2> about 0.002 ipt
[01:44:46] <zeeshan|2> so im like okay, screw it, i always see in videos people go faster
[01:44:53] <zeeshan|2> i machined it at 60 ipm
[01:44:57] <zeeshan|2> bam, mirror like finish
[01:45:24] <zeeshan|2> i think the face mill is so loaded
[01:45:33] <zeeshan|2> it always cuts in the forward direction
[01:45:38] <zeeshan|2> and the back end doesnt rub
[01:45:56] <zeeshan|2> (thats the only thing that was making sense to me)
[01:46:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have seen funky stuff like that with facemills at work...
[01:46:48] <zeeshan|2> lol @ programmable coolant nozzle
[01:46:50] <zeeshan|2> thats cool
[01:46:52] <zeeshan|2> never seen that before
[01:47:05] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say tho one time I was using one of those seco double octomills
[01:47:14] <PetefromTn_> cutting a large piece of copper plate
[01:47:32] <PetefromTn_> my friend Sammy programmed the feeds and speeds on it for me....
[01:47:42] <PetefromTn_> I swear that finish was UNBELIEVABLE
[01:47:51] <PetefromTn_> it literally looked like a mirror
[01:47:56] <PetefromTn_> ZERO tool marks
[01:48:09] <PetefromTn_> I mean no matter what light you looked at it there were NONE
[01:48:18] <zeeshan|2> haha thats awesome
[01:48:30] <PetefromTn_> I wish I could afford the damn thing but this maritool will have to do..
[01:48:45] <zeeshan|2> any face mill
[01:48:53] <zeeshan|2> is better than no face mill!
[01:48:54] <PetefromTn_> I'm telling you man you had to see that to believe it
[01:49:09] <zeeshan|2> you get shitty marks surfacing with end mills
[01:49:10] <zeeshan|2> =/
[01:49:18] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah I mean don't get me wrong my stainless bodied shop built flycutter works pretty well
[01:49:19] <zeeshan|2> i believe you
[01:49:32] <PetefromTn_> but it does not even hold a candle to that octomill
[01:49:55] <PetefromTn_> my pal Sammy who is supposed to come over this weekend to machine some parts he jobbed out
[01:50:21] <PetefromTn_> he SWEARS that he can custom grind my flycutter toolbit to make as good a finish but I don't believe him
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[01:50:28] <PetefromTn_> I bust his chops about it all the time hehehe
[01:50:34] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:50:46] <zeeshan|2> i think a flycutter
[01:50:52] <zeeshan|2> will always get a better surface finish than a face mill
[01:50:54] <zeeshan|2> its just much slower
[01:51:10] <zeeshan|2> (theoretically)
[01:51:15] <PetefromTn_> ya know what I don't like about my flycutter?
[01:51:31] <zeeshan|2> what
[01:51:41] <PetefromTn_> well I make a bunch of these rails right
[01:51:50] <zeeshan|2> https://youtu.be/t-uu48dhe9U?t=33
[01:51:50] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[01:51:53] <zeeshan|2> that one tool
[01:51:59] <zeeshan|2> has 100 bucks of inserts on it
[01:51:59] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:52:02] <zeeshan|2> or more.
[01:52:08] <PetefromTn_> I machine the entire part in the first op down to the full depth of the part
[01:52:11] <zeeshan|2> they must love selling that tool
[01:52:58] <PetefromTn_> then I flip it over and the first thing I gotta do is machine away the flashing as I call it I was holding onto
[01:53:06] <PetefromTn_> so I take my flycutter
[01:53:15] <PetefromTn_> and gotta cut off like .116"or so
[01:53:26] <PetefromTn_> so I make a pass at .056
[01:53:39] <PetefromTn_> then I drop down and make another pass at like .005 above zero
[01:54:08] <PetefromTn_> when the flashing gets this thin and the flycutter goes back over it it makes a crazy racket
[01:54:11] <PetefromTn_> REALLY noisy
[01:54:25] <PetefromTn_> and the cutter is chattering like crazy over the thin areas
[01:54:37] <zeeshan|2> =\
[01:54:59] <zeeshan|2> yea having multiple inserts changes the natural frequency of resonance
[01:55:16] <PetefromTn_> then on the last pass where I take off that last .005 the single cutter will grab the piece and chuck it across the enclosure with a LOT of force as it comes to the end of the cut
[01:55:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah well actually when I finally get this facemill setup with an arbor and inserts I will cut the ENTIRE .116 off in a single pass
[01:56:32] <PetefromTn_> so NO chattering and no ripping and chucking the part off except for a smallish piece at the end which due to the 6 flutes will probably be a lot less dramatic.
[01:56:47] <zeeshan|2> much faster too! :P
[01:56:49] <PetefromTn_> then just a pass back thru .005 or so deep to finish
[01:56:54] <PetefromTn_> WAY faster
[01:57:01] <zeeshan|2> its aluminum
[01:57:03] <PetefromTn_> and cuts it from four passes to two
[01:57:10] <zeeshan|2> whats the rapid on your machine?
[01:57:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah aluminum
[01:57:12] <zeeshan|2> in x and y
[01:57:17] <PetefromTn_> 730
[01:57:19] <zeeshan|2> haha
[01:57:20] <zeeshan|2> hahah!~
[01:57:24] <zeeshan|2> 200 ipm that thing
[01:57:34] <zeeshan|2> i bet thats what the recommended speed is
[01:57:39] <zeeshan|2> at .020 ipt
[01:57:40] <PetefromTn_> actually I usually have it turned down to 300
[01:58:11] <PetefromTn_> I have not checked the recommended feeds and speeds but I am used to facemills at work
[01:58:25] <PetefromTn_> they use the shit out of them and remove a LOT of material quickly
[01:58:50] <zeeshan|2> i wish i shot a picture of this
[01:58:53] <PetefromTn_> this one tool will literally cut like 15 minutes out of my cycle time for my parts
[01:58:56] <zeeshan|2> but i was too busy dodging the chips
[01:59:14] <zeeshan|2> i had a 1.75" block and it needed to go down to 1.375
[01:59:20] <zeeshan|2> guess how many passes i took! :P
[01:59:40] <zeeshan|2> thats major time savings
[02:00:03] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/S4Y4A
[02:00:27] <PetefromTn_> nice
[02:00:34] <PetefromTn_> material?
[02:00:35] <zeeshan|2> .340 pass
[02:00:39] <zeeshan|2> then remaining finish
[02:00:41] <zeeshan|2> 50 ipm
[02:00:46] <zeeshan|2> er
[02:00:48] <zeeshan|2> 50 ipm for thef inish
[02:00:53] <zeeshan|2> 25 ipm for the .340
[02:00:54] <zeeshan|2> al
[02:01:04] <zeeshan|2> (im a pansy to go faster)
[02:01:34] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: is there a faster way to square a block?
[02:01:37] <zeeshan|2> there has to be
[02:01:52] <zeeshan|2> it still takes me a good 10 mins to square a block.
[02:01:59] <zeeshan|2> and its all manual effort
[02:02:02] <PetefromTn_> squaring stock takes half the time LOL
[02:02:10] <zeeshan|2> yea man :/
[02:02:29] <PetefromTn_> I have a simple facing program I use for stuff like that and I just hand edit it for what I need at the machine usually
[02:02:56] <PetefromTn_> that's why I just buy barstock and surface/cut to depth for most stuff
[02:03:07] <zeeshan|2> i buy bar stock
[02:03:08] <zeeshan|2> but the problem is
[02:03:13] <zeeshan|2> it always has frigging scratches on it
[02:03:17] <zeeshan|2> its so annoying
[02:03:28] <zeeshan|2> i can do a half ass jobed and leave em
[02:03:40] <zeeshan|2> but it bothers me
[02:03:55] <zeeshan|2> and the other thing w/ aluminum bar stock lately that ie been getting
[02:04:00] <zeeshan|2> it's all frigging MAJORLY undersized
[02:04:03] <zeeshan|2> not a thou
[02:04:06] <zeeshan|2> like 15 thou undersize.
[02:04:08] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmvtQqF-fY
[02:04:11] <zeeshan|2> fuckers are scamming
[02:04:51] <zeeshan|2> looks like a .1875 doc?
[02:04:53] <zeeshan|2> in that video?
[02:05:01] <PetefromTn_> something like that
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[02:05:25] <zeeshan|2> that mill is like "just taking a cruise through some metal"
[02:05:27] <zeeshan|2> "la la la"
[02:06:17] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI-ds_NYscE
[02:07:03] <PetefromTn_> what I found great about them too is the cutting edges lasted a long time unless you screwed up
[02:07:32] <zeeshan|2> i like that octomill
[02:07:45] <zeeshan|2> only prob i see is those octagon inserts
[02:07:50] <zeeshan|2> will be hard to find in a lot :P
[02:08:01] <PetefromTn_> why? they sell them everywhere
[02:08:10] <PetefromTn_> and you get 16 cutting edges PER insert
[02:08:29] * zeeshan|2 checks ebay
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[02:09:16] <zeeshan|2> you cant beat a round insert!
[02:09:22] <zeeshan|2> infinite amount of edges per insert
[02:09:22] <zeeshan|2> haha
[02:09:51] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ingersoll-Octagon-Carbide-Inserts-9-Inserts-/141717780765?hash=item20ff09b91d
[02:09:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have wondered if they would work good. I know I have used rounded ground cutters on the lathe and always got a nice surface finish with them
[02:09:53] <zeeshan|2> not bad
[02:10:05] <zeeshan|2> they work okay
[02:10:07] <zeeshan|2> but use a LOT of horsepower
[02:10:15] <zeeshan|2> i can tell right away vs the ajx tool geometry
[02:10:21] <zeeshan|2> both are same diameter 2"
[02:10:49] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/new-packs-of-10-Kennemetal-octagon-inserts-/321884346574?hash=item4af1cd58ce
[02:10:52] <zeeshan|2> okay i take that back
[02:10:54] <Tom_itx> they're not for everything though
[02:10:55] <zeeshan|2> you can find them cheap
[02:11:08] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBkc-HRM_Xc :D
[02:12:38] <zeeshan|2> nice!!
[02:12:39] <zeeshan|2> rape
[02:13:05] <zeeshan|2> dat finish
[02:13:32] <PetefromTn_> not bad I hope I get similar results with my Maritool facemill
[02:13:40] <PetefromTn_> Can't wait to try it out...
[02:13:51] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mLntJWkTs
[02:13:53] <zeeshan|2> wtf?
[02:13:55] <zeeshan|2> so fast
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[02:14:34] <zeeshan|2> somerthing is fishy about that
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[02:15:34] <PetefromTn_> says high feed chip thinning insert geometry....who knows..
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[02:18:16] <zeeshan|2> okay bed time
[02:18:16] <zeeshan|2> :D
[02:18:26] <zeeshan|2> i hope i get this machien diassembled after work tommo
[02:18:43] <furrywolf> keep all the parts!
[02:18:44] <PetefromTn_> good luck man
[02:18:59] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: for the last time mate
[02:19:01] <zeeshan|2> no room
[02:19:10] <zeeshan|2> will buy new compact parts
[02:19:20] <zeeshan|2> i'd love to keep the old stuff
[02:19:26] <furrywolf> pallet in the back yard with a tarp over it.
[02:19:27] <zeeshan|2> but im not in the right position to do that now
[02:19:32] <zeeshan|2> its too heavy to put it there
[02:19:40] <zeeshan|2> the conveyor is 550lb..
[02:19:48] <zeeshan|2> i have no way to get it back there
[02:19:50] <zeeshan|2> i just dont wanna deal with it
[02:19:53] <furrywolf> that's single-person movable.
[02:19:59] <zeeshan|2> gnite :P
[02:20:06] <jdh> build a carport over the driveway
[02:20:11] <furrywolf> my welder is 650lbs...
[02:27:51] <Jymmm> sumo welder!
[02:29:45] <diginet> furrywolf: your welder needs gastric bypass
[02:30:52] <Wolf_Mill> really, my welder is 45lbs
[02:32:22] <Tom_itx> wuss
[02:33:03] <Wolf_Mill> only 200A
[02:33:04] <furrywolf> it has a 14hp Onan engine, puts out 250A at 100% duty, and puts out 6kW AC too...
[02:33:22] <Tom_itx> well mine's only 175
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[02:33:44] <Tom_itx> i had a old but nice lincoln gas powered stick welder
[02:34:28] <Tom_itx> got a miller mig now
[02:34:47] <furrywolf> I want a tig/stick combo machine, like a syncrowave or something.
[02:35:04] <Tom_itx> i don't use it alot
[02:35:13] <Tom_itx> but it's nice to have one
[02:35:26] <furrywolf> I have a miller wire feeder that'll run off any stick supply
[02:35:34] <Wolf_Mill> http://wolfmetalfab.com/pics/weldingcart/slides/IMG_0071.JPG
[02:35:37] <furrywolf> brb
[02:36:17] <furrywolf> I also have a Miller Dialarc 250 stick supply, but a nice tig/stick unit would take its place.
[02:40:08] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/newwelder01.jpg http://fw.bushytails.net/sizecomp01.jpg there's the dialarc... http://fw.bushytails.net/aea200le01.jpg there's the miller welder-generator I'm currently trying to sell... don't think I have any pics of my lincoln welder-generator handy.
[02:41:48] <furrywolf> I'm asking $1000 for the Miller welder-generator, but will take trades. :P
[02:46:25] <Tom_itx> my old one was pull start :)
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[02:46:47] <Tom_itx> aka rope, no recoil
[02:47:09] <furrywolf> both of mine are electric start.
[02:47:28] <Tom_itx> rope is cheaper than batteries?
[02:47:50] <Tom_itx> it was a stubborn mule too
[02:48:44] <furrywolf> if you want fun, my diesel generator is pull-start.
[02:49:07] <Tom_itx> either would help that
[02:49:16] <Tom_itx> ether?
[02:49:53] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/Yanmar%20Starting%20Instructions.png http://fw.bushytails.net/Yanmar%20Starting%20Instructions%202.png very japanese
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[03:01:38] <Jymmm> That's a VERY ANGRY looking motor, and finger pointing too!
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[03:05:55] <furrywolf> yep
[03:06:18] <furrywolf> and trust me, you'll be just as angry back.
[03:06:24] <furrywolf> it tries to break your shoulder
[03:06:38] <Jymmm> haha, what gen is this?
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[03:08:42] <furrywolf> it's a military 24V generator, puts out 24V @ 100A. I got it with plans to use it to charge my solar system, but it is WAY too fucking loud.
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[03:09:37] <Jymmm> ah, gotcha. I wish I had a need for 24V
[03:11:41] <furrywolf> it's pretty simple construction... it's a marine alternator bolted to the engine with a shaft coupler.
[03:11:55] <furrywolf> and... that's it. a box with the voltage regulator.
[03:14:49] <furrywolf> I thought about trying to drive the alternator with 3-phase to serve as a starter, but decided there is NO way it'd ever make anything near the torque needed to start that engine.
[03:15:24] <Jymmm> Tractor with PTO ?
[03:16:21] <furrywolf> ... that kinda defeats the point of a generator.
[03:16:55] <Jymmm> generating your own electricity from gasoline/diesel?
[03:18:44] <furrywolf> if I have a tractor with a pto, using it to start a portable generator seems pointless.
[03:19:21] <Jymmm> Oh , heh, no, I mean using the PTO to spin the 24V alternator
[03:19:43] <furrywolf> the tractor isn't going to be any quieter. :P
[03:19:54] <Jymmm> Some are
[03:20:10] <furrywolf> it needs a second muffler and a soundproof box.
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[03:25:15] <Jymmm> lol
[03:25:58] <Jymmm> sounds like the leaf blowers I'm shopping for
[03:26:36] <Jymmm> But, I think I've settled for the Toro 51618, 2spd corded
[03:28:34] <furrywolf> leafblowers are a public nuiscance.
[03:30:39] <Jymmm> True, but a necessary evil, tracking pine needle sap is not fun
[03:31:01] <furrywolf> if you really need to screw with your leaves, get a rake. :P
[03:32:03] <Jymmm> doens't work in gravel sadly
[03:32:19] <Jymmm> or on wood piles
[03:32:58] <furrywolf> lol
[03:33:06] <furrywolf> don't make wood piles under trees.
[03:33:15] <furrywolf> and leaf blowers on gravel create dust clouds.
[03:33:22] <Jymmm> I'm in a forest, EVERYTHING is "under trees" =)
[03:34:12] <furrywolf> then don't complain about leaves? lol
[03:34:12] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[03:34:19] <Jymmm> g'night
[03:34:27] * furrywolf has never felt the need to own or use a leafblower
[03:34:49] <furrywolf> but I've often felt the need to stuff one in someone's ear!
[03:35:05] <Jymmm> neither have I, thus shopping around. but the kid across the way blew off the driveway in nothing flat
[03:35:13] <Jymmm> after the storm
[03:35:45] <Jymmm> plus I need to clean the gutters =)
[03:35:52] <furrywolf> just remember that if you use one before 7am, someone WILL club you over the head with it.
[03:36:05] <Jymmm> =)
[03:36:10] <furrywolf> garden hose. blower won't be able to get the accumulated wet or caked dirt out of the bottom.
[03:36:19] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I had to slot this piece for work in the mill
[03:36:27] <PetefromTn_> and I got it all setup carefully
[03:36:35] <PetefromTn_> clamped it down and started cutting
[03:36:35] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Ha, only 22PSI
[03:36:46] <PetefromTn_> everything is going perfect and I get the cut done real nice
[03:37:05] <furrywolf> and you slotted the wrong side of it? :)
[03:37:07] <PetefromTn_> then I am retracting the bit manually and I turn the damn MPG wheel the wrong way !!!
[03:37:26] * Jymmm hands PetefromTn_ a shot and a beer
[03:37:29] <PetefromTn_> Luckily it was in .0001 incremental mode so it only kissed off a little bit
[03:37:47] <PetefromTn_> REALLY pissed me off for my being STUPID LOL
[03:38:02] <furrywolf> lucky you didn't snap the bit
[03:38:09] <PetefromTn_> but the part should still work fine it honestly did not need to be supremely accurate anyways for what it does.
[03:38:31] <PetefromTn_> naah this Yg1 coated carbide would rip thru that steel pretty damn quick LOL
[03:38:33] <furrywolf> will anyone else ever see it? :)
[03:38:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah ME
[03:38:49] <furrywolf> redo the slot at the slightly deeper depth.
[03:38:55] <PetefromTn_> I know its there and that I screwed the pooch LOL
[03:39:23] <PetefromTn_> I actually would tig weld the metal back and remachine it if only my tig welder was here at MY shop hehe
[03:40:39] <PetefromTn_> Other than that it came out pretty nice.
[03:41:18] <PetefromTn_> I have been doing a bunch of work here in my shop for stuff at work and I have fallen behind on my own parts orders gotta get some shit done tomorrow for sure..
[03:41:56] <furrywolf> bbl
[03:42:16] <furrywolf> as I said, re-cut at the slightly deeper depth so it all looks perfect. :P
[03:45:05] <PetefromTn_> heh
[03:45:08] <PetefromTn_> its all good man
[03:45:15] <PetefromTn_> gonna hit the sack too. gn8
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[03:48:13] <Wolf_Mill> :D http://i.imgur.com/OeR3fzr.jpg
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[03:48:48] <PetefromTn_> sweet drawbar man!
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[03:49:15] <Wolf_Mill> works nice
[03:49:33] <PetefromTn_> I'm sure
[03:50:39] <Contract_Pilot> Dam just sucked up 10 more of them drives
[03:50:49] <Contract_Pilot> got to be on it.
[03:50:58] <PetefromTn_> what drives?
[03:51:00] <Wolf_Mill> wut
[03:51:08] <Contract_Pilot> the 8.00 ones
[03:51:24] <Wolf_Mill> stepper drivers?
[03:51:50] <Contract_Pilot> Yep, the M542 V2.0 with motor
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[03:52:16] <Wolf_Mill> damn...
[03:52:21] <Wolf_Mill> I need 3 :/
[03:52:24] <Contract_Pilot> the last one i orderd was not a 78in oz it was a 425in oz
[03:52:35] <Contract_Pilot> Same part number.
[03:54:51] <Praesmeodymium> lucky you
[03:55:01] <Praesmeodymium> I want bigger motors ;)
[03:55:26] <Contract_Pilot> Well is they come in at 425in oz that will be good.
[03:56:00] <Contract_Pilot> if they come in at 78in oz will suck but ill list them on ebay for 9.00 hahaha
[03:56:15] <Praesmeodymium> I have nema 17's that big
[03:56:22] <Wolf_Mill> thats what I'm running right now, I want a set of ~250oz for the x1 tho
[03:57:17] <Wolf_Mill> the 425oz in on the x1 right now, I broke a 7/16 endmill in half on a oops
[03:57:27] <Wolf_Mill> stepper didnt stall
[03:57:50] <Contract_Pilot> Sent them an e-mail with a photo of the PSU with the crushed cap and it was no big deal il'l fix it. They Just responded thay are sending me out a replacement.
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[04:28:56] <Wolf_> where ya snipe that last batch from?
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[04:30:38] <fenn> apparently they post new ones on walmart at a certain time every day
[04:31:09] <Wolf_> ahh
[04:34:43] <Praesmeodymium> I wish it was quite that easy
[04:35:25] <Praesmeodymium> there was some similarity in times but contract pilot got the last batch well before I even checked
[04:36:06] <Praesmeodymium> so at some point during someones workday they post 5 or 10 motors to walmart is my guess
[04:37:33] <fenn> they have a "email me when in stock" feature
[04:37:51] <fenn> i don't really want walmart emailing me though
[04:38:01] <Contract_Pilot> the e-mail me dont work.
[04:38:15] <Contract_Pilot> got 20 orderd today.
[04:38:29] <Praesmeodymium> wow
[04:39:01] <Contract_Pilot> 2 bathcs of 10 hahaha
[04:39:38] <Contract_Pilot> 8.94 each
[04:39:54] <Contract_Pilot> I am being selfish
[04:40:44] <fenn> do they actually work?
[04:41:25] <Contract_Pilot> Seem to i checked them with my working controller
[04:41:40] <fenn> the drivers i mean
[04:41:47] <Contract_Pilot> Powerd up the drivers
[04:42:14] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure but for the price? Will test when they get here.
[04:42:39] <Contract_Pilot> I should wire one up...
[04:44:32] <Wolf_> I hope I can catch them on there…. still kicking myself for not getting any the first time they got linked
[04:45:03] <Contract_Pilot> I know the build quality looks good.
[04:45:28] <Contract_Pilot> I will wire one up in the morning been a long long day.
[04:47:51] * fenn sleeps
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[04:52:09] <Praesmeodymium> http://sumtorelec.com/product.asp?plt=38&Pone=3&Ptwo=0&Pthree=0&Pfour=0
[04:52:15] <Praesmeodymium> thats the mfg of mine
[05:04:01] <Connor> Wolf_ Wolf_Mill Are you applying the drawbar force directly on the spindle ?
[05:04:10] <Wolf_> yup
[05:04:54] <Connor> Not a good idea. You need to make a floating plate and squeeze the Belleville washers.
[05:06:00] <Wolf_> I could, but I would have to ditch the drive pully
[05:06:30] <Connor> How much PSI and FT lbs are you getting with that air cylinder?
[05:06:34] <Connor> No you wouldn't.
[05:06:45] <Wolf_> 800lbs
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[05:08:25] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=185716&d=1389534033&thumb=1
[05:08:49] <Wolf_> bearing is only rated for 14,3kN
[05:09:14] <Connor> With TTS you really want around 1800 to 2200 lbs
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[05:10:23] <Connor> http://www.migration.g0704.com/images/TTS%20Power%20Drawbar.jpg
[05:11:18] <Connor> see the middle plate? It's got clearance for the tophat.
[05:11:30] <Connor> and it "floats" squeezing just the washers..
[05:11:40] <Connor> not putting that stress on the bearings.
[05:12:03] <Wolf_> yeah I know how it works
[05:12:37] <Connor> okay. Just throwing my $.02 in..
[05:13:04] <Connor> What mill is that ?
[05:13:20] <Wolf_> spindle has angular contacts at both ends
[05:13:51] <Wolf_> X2/high torque LMS/X2P hybrid
[05:14:20] <Connor> AC bearings or not.. it could muck up your preload.
[05:14:56] <Connor> Everything if read, seen and heard says that applying the force direct to the spindle like that is a bad idea. :)
[05:16:57] <Wolf_> well, one way to find out lol bearing should be good for 3000lbs at least static
[05:17:34] <Wolf_> but being side load, figure less then half? lol
[05:19:11] <Wolf_> I would also need to hunt down a new air cylinder that can do 2000lbs
[05:27:14] <Connor> need one like this: http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_04_09_14_06.jpg
[05:27:49] <Wolf_> yeah...
[05:27:52] <Connor> Tripple stack 3" (I can't remember
[05:28:12] <Connor> Just zoomed in.. yea.. MP3x1x3x1FF....
[05:28:30] <Connor> Picked it up on ebay a while back.
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[05:30:42] <Wolf_> at worst if it doesn’t work out I’ll make a bell crank arm w/ cam or something and make it floating
[05:31:32] <Connor> how much stroke with that one ?
[05:31:39] <Wolf_> 3/4"
[05:32:06] <Connor> I wish mine had less..it's 1" Only need 1/2" or so.
[05:32:12] <Connor> uses more air...
[05:32:32] <Wolf_> it was one of the few 3” I saw on eBay last week
[05:32:39] <Connor> My plan is to use SCUBA tank for.
[05:32:46] <Connor> for the air supply
[05:32:49] <Wolf_> good part is I only have $20 in to it
[05:34:21] <Connor> yea, they're not easy to come by..
[05:34:27] <Connor> I got super lucky.
[05:35:40] <Wolf_> same, $40 new w/ no box, seller refunded me $20 cause they noticed that it had scratches and a ding on it that wasn’t in the listing
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[05:43:51] <Jymmm> scuba tank? With O2 ?
[05:44:39] <Wolf_> scuba tank is just compressed air most of the times, 3000psi
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[05:46:29] <Jymmm> Hmmm, no idea. jdh is the one that refills his own scub tanks for diving.
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[06:08:45] * ganzuul mounted a square block in a 3 jaw chuck...
[06:08:52] <ganzuul> They said it could not be done.
[06:10:49] <ganzuul> This is obviously the wrong way to do it: http://s111.photobucket.com/user/rake60/media/Square3JawFront.jpg.html
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[06:29:59] <ganzuul> Got myself a ghetto tool post for 16mm bits. Saved ~240 euro. None of that QCTP stuff here. :)
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[07:05:12] <Contract_Pilot> Ok, I checked all 3 drivers that arrived on 48V all ok. They work.
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[07:06:23] <Deejay> moin
[07:06:42] <ganzuul> o/
[07:07:58] <Contract_Pilot> evening Deejay
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[07:10:34] <Contract_Pilot> Thinking for an enclosure make a nice wood box?
[07:11:57] <archivist> metal machines deserve metal boxes
[07:12:29] <archivist> wood is a heat insulator, not good for the enclosed electronics
[07:13:07] <Contract_Pilot> That is true thinking of somthing cheap?
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[07:13:20] <Contract_Pilot> Wish i had a sheetmetal brake.
[07:13:44] <archivist> I tend to reuse boxes/cases I have
[07:15:19] <archivist> the 5 axis is about to get a weather proof box from a telecomms application (mobile phone cell)
[07:18:47] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, was looking on e-bay at enclosures
[07:20:00] <archivist> I have even considered old PC tower cases, pc in original place, drivers on fold out door
[07:29:13] <Contract_Pilot> Was looking for a 19" rack case
[07:32:44] <archivist> erm that and the rack may be larger than the machine its driving :)
[07:33:30] <archivist> I just derigged the rack that came with the CMM, just too large
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[07:34:04] <archivist> I do use a short rack on wheels for tools
[07:36:06] <_abc_> archivist: I made a driver that fits in lieu of 3 5 inch drives
[07:36:12] <_abc_> archivist: front panel connectors
[07:44:34] <Contract_Pilot> they have them 8.00 motor/drivers in stock again.
[07:44:50] <Contract_Pilot> Maybe i should order 10 more and make it an even 30 hahaha
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[08:19:01] <MrSunshine> hmm ... vacumm table with combined clamping option ... how the heck should one do that to make it work smoothly =)
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[08:55:17] <Praesmeodymium> Contract_Pilot: ty for leaving me a few more motors to buy, I put em in my cart, decided against it then remembered you said the motors you got were way bigger than the ad said they were, which I am more than ok with
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[08:57:58] <Contract_Pilot> <Praesmeodymium> check dcc
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[09:06:38] <ganzuul> http://gizmodo.com/a-nasa-experiment-is-going-to-light-up-the-sky-with-bea-1735168250
[09:06:44] <ganzuul> Obvious UFO coverup.
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[09:20:40] <XXCoder> heys
[09:24:33] <Contract_Pilot> hey xx
[09:24:47] <Contract_Pilot> there are still some motors left for ya?
[09:24:55] <XXCoder> motors?
[09:26:41] <XXCoder> not too sure whats you talking about Contract_Pilot :(
[09:26:44] <XXCoder> er :)
[09:27:48] <Contract_Pilot> may have been somone else about the 9.00 motos and drivers
[09:28:10] <XXCoder> likely
[09:30:21] <XXCoder> well hows stuff
[09:35:22] <malcom2073> Contract_Pilot: Got a link for them?
[09:36:06] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0ND-0007-00037
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[09:36:41] <Contract_Pilot> the one i recived was the 400in oz so i orderd 20 today.
[09:37:01] <malcom2073> Lol, nema23 with that tall of a stack would be large
[09:37:08] <malcom2073> HAha you ordered 20?
[09:37:12] <Contract_Pilot> Yea,
[09:37:29] <malcom2073> That came with a MB450 drive?
[09:37:33] <XXCoder> whoa what
[09:37:45] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Sumtor-elec-microstep-driver-MB450A-AKA-M542.jpg
[09:37:46] <XXCoder> 9 bucks for large nema23 and controllere
[09:38:42] <Contract_Pilot> even if they correct it and ship the smaller worth it for the driver
[09:39:07] <XXCoder> can I use drivers with tb6560?
[09:39:28] <XXCoder> 78 oz.in lemme see what mine is
[09:40:05] <XXCoder> 110Ncm lemme convert
[09:40:09] <Contract_Pilot> Drivers are Leadshine M542 Clones and nice ones
[09:40:33] <XXCoder> 155.773125505938
[09:40:44] <XXCoder> more than twice as powerful
[09:40:54] <XXCoder> assuming it wasnt a lie
[09:41:30] <XXCoder> I dont get it, that longer motor is much weaker
[09:41:42] <Contract_Pilot> Misprinted title
[09:42:36] <Contract_Pilot> if you look at the photo the 57HS11242A4 is the motor they sent on my first order. visit
[09:42:36] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Nema23&N=-1&isNodeId=1 look at the model # a14031100ux0066 now look at amazon http://www.amazon.com/Phase-Robot-Stepper-397oz-Driver/dp/B00KKKPW6M
[09:42:36] <Contract_Pilot> Should be the larger steppers
[09:42:48] <Praesmeodymium> giving away the store lol
[09:42:52] <Contract_Pilot> I know the one i recived was
[09:43:17] <XXCoder> 397 oz.in
[09:43:23] <XXCoder> mich more powerful than mine
[09:43:52] <Contract_Pilot> the nema 34 i orderd they shipped a 24 hahaha
[09:44:17] <XXCoder> whats they do when you complained?
[09:44:21] <Contract_Pilot> the model # a14031100ux0066 was for a 24 not a 34
[09:44:58] <Contract_Pilot> ignore the title look at the model #
[09:45:24] <Contract_Pilot> Grab the model # and then google it will tell ya what you will get.
[09:45:55] <malcom2073> Buying4 now heh
[09:46:33] <XXCoder> I wonder whats benefits of more powerful nema 23s
[09:47:14] <Contract_Pilot> Seems to restock at 12am and 12pm ish
[09:47:35] <Praesmeodymium> what time is it for yuo now
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[09:50:46] <Contract_Pilot> almost 3am
[09:50:49] <Contract_Pilot> bed time
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[10:01:11] <XXCoder> whoa
[10:01:12] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/RR6sB5r1xHU
[10:01:19] <XXCoder> guy was dumb enough to return
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[10:08:36] <Sync> first thing to remember when robbing industrial things is to have tape or door weights ready
[10:08:53] <XXCoder> I definitely see value of tough doors
[10:09:00] <malcom2073> Heh
[10:09:01] <malcom2073> That's awesome
[10:09:16] <Sync> I once got almost trolled when we were installing stuff because I was in a room that had only doors that could be opened from the other side and an emergency exit
[10:10:00] <XXCoder> I was trapped in cross-hallway once
[10:10:12] <XXCoder> building closed while I was working on refilling vend machines
[10:10:45] <XXCoder> my coworker had card I didn't, but it shouldnt needed but building locked down while i was walking on way to van.
[10:10:51] <XXCoder> so i ended up trapped lol
[10:10:54] <malcom2073> Heh
[10:11:13] <XXCoder> though big difference was I wasnt a thief
[10:11:16] <XXCoder> so i just waited.
[10:12:33] <malcom2073> Were you hourly? Cause that's even better :)
[10:12:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[10:12:55] <XXCoder> took my coworker 20 min to get to me
[10:13:08] <XXCoder> guy had to refill vend machines
[10:17:13] <malcom2073> These nema23's will go nice on my tabletop router
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[10:17:43] <malcom2073> XXCoder: You see the aliexpress seller got suspended?
[10:17:49] <XXCoder> malcom2073: ye[
[10:17:53] <XXCoder> waiting for refund
[10:17:56] <malcom2073> Yeah
[10:18:08] * XXCoder has sad though
[10:18:15] <XXCoder> i wanted the damned printer lol
[10:18:18] <malcom2073> Me too lol
[10:18:26] <malcom2073> Too good to be true is once again, not true
[10:18:30] <malcom2073> Hoping these steppers are ok
[10:21:00] <Contract_Pilot> the one on the left... http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Motors-Drivers-Walmart-1024x576.jpg
[10:21:16] <XXCoder> big
[10:21:19] <Contract_Pilot> one in the middle is Nema24 and the right is 260oz
[10:21:28] <Contract_Pilot> ahhh 160oz
[10:21:32] <XXCoder> I wonder though if too large would damage router?
[10:21:46] <Contract_Pilot> Weigh about 4lbs
[10:22:31] <malcom2073> If you crash it, sure
[10:22:59] <Contract_Pilot> That to do what to do.
[10:23:04] <XXCoder> and sudden stops
[10:23:11] <XXCoder> thats what I bet too lol
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[10:26:23] <XXCoder> http://parts.io/ interesting
[10:35:27] <Contract_Pilot> Need to find a steal on some AC servo's with drives
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[10:43:49] <Yopla> hi all
[10:44:53] <malcom2073> Hi
[10:47:37] <XXCoder> you guys know any good rx safety glasses?
[10:47:48] <XXCoder> or good and confortable safety classes that go over glasses?
[10:48:09] <Jymmm> Either goggles or shield
[10:48:18] <XXCoder> well yes
[10:48:26] <XXCoder> im asking what is god brand or type
[10:48:41] <XXCoder> sorry bit vague lol googles is what I meant
[10:48:46] <Jymmm> Any, as if/when they get scratched just replace em.
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[10:49:58] <XXCoder> most seem to be unconfortable to me
[10:50:08] <XXCoder> and one I currently use is quite worn lol
[10:50:22] <Jymmm> XXCoder: That's what I was just going to say, the biggest thing is them fitting more than anything else.
[10:51:13] <Jymmm> Here ya go.. a 3 pack http://www.harborfreight.com/safety-goggles-3-pack-66538.html
[10:51:21] <Jymmm> for $3.49
[10:51:45] <XXCoder> it cant be used with glasses
[10:52:02] <Jymmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/adjustable-face-shield-46526.html
[10:52:07] <XXCoder> lol
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[10:53:56] <Sync> XXCoder: get prescription safety glasses made
[10:54:11] <XXCoder> how much usually for it?
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[10:55:39] <Sync> depends on your frame I guess, but I think they start at 20-30$
[10:58:17] <XXCoder> ok
[10:58:25] <XXCoder> online or glass stores?
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[11:02:05] <Sync> the people I know go to a optician, but I guess a glass store will also work
[11:02:14] <Sync> maybe ask your employer if they have a deal with a company
[11:02:28] <XXCoder> good idea. thanks
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[11:03:31] <jthornton> WOW I made it
[11:03:40] <XXCoder> sorry but you didnt
[11:04:03] <Sync> oh hwhw wow
[11:04:06] <jthornton> I got my one 1 for my birthday
[11:04:20] <Sync> just reading osha
[11:04:24] <XXCoder> congats! :)
[11:05:08] <jthornton> I've been working on this for a long time, now 20 more to go
[11:05:31] <Sync> osha says that the employer is not required to pay for prescription eye protection becuase it is too personal
[11:05:47] <malcom2073> Insurance should cover that
[11:05:53] <jthornton> no, but they will pay for the frames usually
[11:06:00] <Sync> and also for non speciality safety footwear
[11:06:01] <Sync> wat
[11:06:13] <XXCoder> not too worried, if it dont covered I can buy one myself. definitely not buying $500 one or whatever though lol
[11:06:21] <Sync> also not for hair nets and gloves for food workers
[11:06:48] <Sync> yeah they should be around 50$ max if you get a fancy one, defenitely affordable
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[11:09:54] <XXCoder> ok
[11:10:06] <XXCoder> I want one that works like glasses
[11:10:11] <XXCoder> not chunky plastic
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[13:00:47] <jdh> I wear cheap ines
[13:00:55] <ssi> morn
[13:01:17] <jdh> cheap ones over my glasses
[13:02:08] <Wolf_> morning
[13:02:20] <ssi> I may have a way to go fetch one of those robot arms
[13:02:28] <ssi> unfortunately it looks like I missed the window on spending that money afterall
[13:02:37] <ssi> they're going to mail me a check and I should have it by the end of the month D:
[13:06:49] <Wolf_> I’m going to try to have that Bom stuff straight by next monday
[13:07:08] <ssi> cool, no rush
[13:07:13] <ssi> dunno when we'll have boards
[13:07:21] <malcom2073> http://i.imgur.com/5d9VYET.gif
[13:07:21] <Wolf_> yap
[13:08:04] <ssi> malcom2073: nice render
[13:08:46] <malcom2073> Not mine, I wanna make one
[13:10:56] <ssi> do it
[13:11:34] <malcom2073> I've saved the image off to try once I get my mill done :)
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[13:18:51] <Wolf_> yay, I now have too many steppers on order lmao
[13:19:07] <malcom2073> Haha, how many?
[13:19:08] <ssi> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/1472021_10100791805083772_5547941761732204438_n.jpg?oh=35049903caf96ad69e2f2e88bf969a1d&oe=568FD90F
[13:19:08] <malcom2073> I ordered 8
[13:19:33] <Wolf_> 6 + 5+5+1 lmao
[13:19:41] <ssi> seventeen?! :P
[13:19:50] <Wolf_> yeah lol
[13:19:59] <malcom2073> Thanks ssi, it's too early for me to math
[13:20:09] <ssi> lawl
[13:20:11] <Wolf_> some were just for the drivers bundled
[13:20:16] <malcom2073> Haha yeah
[13:21:48] <ssi> put my burner together too
[13:21:49] <ssi> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12109092_10100791876500652_1689031269132211428_n.jpg?oh=0f899b2e1705e89f3e84938bb2d6fc74&oe=569D8390
[13:22:00] <malcom2073> ssi: Nice! whatcha melting?
[13:22:02] <ssi> that's with a junky 1/2psi fixed regulator
[13:22:06] <ssi> I need a 15psi adjustable
[13:22:11] <ssi> malcom2073: anything I can get my hands on :)
[13:22:15] <malcom2073> Nice
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[13:25:38] <Wolf_> nema 23 397oz w/ mb450A (6@$9), 17 74oz w/mb450A (5@$11), 23 156oz w/ junk M415A (5@$5.67) and a 23 78oz w/ mb450A for $9
[13:25:55] <ssi> where are you gettingthem so cheap?
[13:26:33] <Wolf_> http://www.walmart.com/search/?query=tasharina%20lathe%20cnc&page=4&cat_id=0&grid=true
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[13:27:25] <Wolf_> and http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=1065505567&IsNodeId=1&page=1&bop=And&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&sstore=1&PageSize=90&srchInDesc=mill
[13:28:29] <Wolf_> hehe I should cnc the C2 7x10 :D
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[13:34:51] <ssi> Wolf_: so these newegg motors with drivers that are showing out of stock
[13:34:56] <ssi> do they honor that price for backorder?
[13:35:07] <malcom2073> It's a marketplace seller, so I'd assume not
[13:35:07] <Wolf_> I dunno
[13:35:23] <malcom2073> The walmart one showed 5 in stock when I ordered 4 this morning :P
[13:35:24] <Wolf_> just add them to auto notify
[13:36:22] <Wolf_> I got lucky on the 397oz, I checked walmart, did the order on newegg then refreshed the walmart search and poof in stock
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[14:21:47] <ganzuul> So they will sell you energy drink concentrate for soda machines, even if you don't have a soda machine.
[14:21:57] * ganzuul emits high energy radiation
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[14:26:32] <SpeedEvil> http://rocknrollnerd.github.io/ml/2015/05/27/leopard-sofa.html On machine vision.
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[15:04:11] <JT-Shop> got the new gigabyte set up and switched to HexChat
[15:06:14] <CaptHindsight> pull studs at Walmart http://www.walmart.com/ip/BT40-Retention-Knob-Pull-Studs-Tool-Holder-CNC-Drill-Black-Silver-Tone/46512398
[15:06:36] <CaptHindsight> alibaba should just sell through Walmart and get it over with
[15:07:04] <CaptHindsight> call it AliWalEgg
[15:07:37] <CaptHindsight> and Walmart can handle all the returns in person
[15:10:41] <SpeedEvil> 'I want to return this drum of 1-nonylbutadine, because it is in fact 2-nonylbutadine'
[15:10:54] <CaptHindsight> heh
[15:13:20] <CaptHindsight> Bolton lathes and Tormach mills on the Walmart site (sponsored products)
[15:13:48] <anomynous> do they make the knobs lighter by drilling the hole in the middle or why do they do that?
[15:13:54] <anomynous> racing knob
[15:14:17] <archivist> coolant through the tool
[15:15:18] <anomynous> like suck all the liquids back into machine for re-use? ;D
[15:15:52] <anomynous> im tired :<
[15:16:04] <archivist> have you not seen insert type drills with pressure lubricant
[15:16:20] <anomynous> yes and solid carbide drills
[15:16:52] <anomynous> it was just a funny image in my head
[15:17:03] <ganzuul> Regarding manganese nodules on the Abyssal Plain; ~ 30-40% manganese alloys have very high damping characteristics, so the overproduction of Mn when going for the Ni, Cu etc. could be well used as a high-performance replacement for cast iron in machine bases.
[15:17:06] <SpeedEvil> archivist: Now I'm imagining waterjet cutting drills, with 60000PSI cutting fluid through the drill.
[15:17:55] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: If you're trying to recover from the deep ocean seabed to build your mill for cost reasons, you're probably doing it wrong.
[15:19:25] <ganzuul> lol
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[15:20:09] <CaptHindsight> Alibaba could have taken over all the Radio Shack stores here and only needed a few giant central warehouses for next day availability of any product
[15:20:32] <SpeedEvil> I think you underestimate how many products there are.
[15:20:58] <CaptHindsight> 6 hour radius by truck
[15:21:45] <SpeedEvil> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Photoinitiator-819-and-other-photoinitiator-compound_60285000031.html?spm=a2700.7724838.38.17.hLLpfu - I need to get some of.
[15:21:48] <CaptHindsight> just warehouse the top 1k products
[15:26:57] <archivist> top n products is a huge mistake distributors make
[15:27:44] <SpeedEvil> archivist: that depends.
[15:27:52] <SpeedEvil> On n and f(n)
[15:28:01] <CaptHindsight> that's what Walmart, Target etc do for consumer items
[15:28:03] <SpeedEvil> Some disties have no f(n) clue.
[15:28:50] <CaptHindsight> Fastenal is similar with industrial supplies
[15:28:58] <archivist> not really, try going to buy something simple at a counter, we can get it nest day...ffs I would not have driven 20 miles to get nothing!
[15:29:05] <CaptHindsight> zillion stores and few central warehouses
[15:29:40] <archivist> makes "local" distribution stupid
[15:31:13] <anomynous> naw. Local distribution is the cool thing. You just have to be the first to deploy autonomous electric delivery mopeds.
[15:31:16] <anomynous> :]
[15:31:26] <CaptHindsight> I often have to drive to more than more than one Walmart, Ace, Home Depot since they are most often out of whatever I want at the first one I drive to
[15:31:30] <SpeedEvil> archivist: combined with an app, and some nice way of finding things, that may work
[15:31:36] <archivist> so now for local V belts I go to a motor parts store not the engineering store
[15:31:48] <CaptHindsight> - a more or two
[15:32:50] <archivist> Maplin only stock ones and twos of items, screwed if you want three for a project
[15:33:34] <SpeedEvil> archivist: I looked at maplin a while back
[15:33:35] <CaptHindsight> consumer products and industrial products are two very different markets
[15:33:42] <SpeedEvil> they had _one_ thyristor. :(
[15:33:51] <SpeedEvil> (type of, in the catalog)
[15:34:20] <CaptHindsight> most consumers walk in a buy what is in front of them, what is marketed to them (tell me what to buy)
[15:34:59] <SpeedEvil> I may be wierd.
[15:35:04] <SpeedEvil> I buy all my groceries online.
[15:35:41] <archivist> I go to multiple places looking where the deals are this week on usual stuff
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[15:37:20] <archivist> top n comes from poor cost accountants who forget you never return to the store when you hit an empty shelf
[15:39:18] <malcom2073> *you* never return, but their primary customers, brainless sheep, do
[15:39:40] <archivist> nope, often the place shuts down later
[15:40:46] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/dFECB
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[15:43:56] <Wolf_> yay, got one of my 48v psu in
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[15:53:02] <CaptHindsight> most people just drive to the next Walmart, Target, Dress Barn, etc when the shelf is empty
[15:53:32] <CaptHindsight> or get a substitute
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[15:55:57] <t12> solidworks simulation exagurated distortion looks so funny
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[15:59:14] <malcom2073> Haha yeah it does, I love it
[16:00:57] <t12> like nope you made that out of noodles
[16:05:16] <malcom2073> Steel? Psh, pasta.
[16:05:34] <ganzuul> Stainless steel is weird.
[16:05:50] <ganzuul> It has low thermal conductivity, compared to e.g. cast iron.
[16:06:31] <t12> yeah its either great or terrible depending
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[16:07:14] <anomynous> why does it make so much heat when machined?
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[16:07:34] <malcom2073> Same reason why indian rug burns hurt
[16:07:38] <malcom2073> Friction sucks
[16:08:21] <anomynous> so jellysteel bounces back to rub on cutter after dodging cutting edge? ;D
[16:08:24] <ganzuul> It also has high damping characteristics.
[16:08:37] <malcom2073> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRuSYQ5Npek
[16:08:41] <malcom2073> Because cutting is actually bending
[16:08:47] <ganzuul> Meaning it heats up from vibration.
[16:09:36] <malcom2073> And yeah, tool rub
[16:11:15] <anomynous> i heard they used to make all aluminium vises and they are terribly inaccurate
[16:22:07] <anomynous> devnull is soon filling up from my monologue ;D
[16:22:44] <anomynous> i tried to fill it from /dev/random but it never fills up
[16:22:58] <anomynous> its an upgraded version from the windows trash can?
[16:26:36] <fenn> try staring at a lava lamp, i hear that helps
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[16:36:03] <anomynous> what an excellent idea
[16:36:05] <anomynous> thank you fenn
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[16:36:08] <anomynous> hmm
[16:36:13] <anomynous> where to get lava lamp at this time
[16:36:17] <anomynous> *think think*
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[16:39:54] <SpeedEvil> DIY!
[16:40:05] <SpeedEvil> Diamond case, rock, oxy-ac torch.
[16:45:00] <JT-Shop> got the new gigabyte set up and switched to HexChat
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[16:47:51] <SpeedEvil> Diddn't you do that yesterday?
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[16:51:31] <anomynous> SpeedEvil, i was thinking of a lamp inside a tall glass and chewing gum
[16:51:34] <anomynous> but but
[16:51:39] <anomynous> theyre all energy saving now
[16:55:34] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY4qg7nIS-w - glitter lamp
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[17:08:09] <lair82> Hey guys, working on the other machine I'm retrofitting, rying toget it switched over to uspace, an I keep getting faults. Whe I run "sudo apt-get update" I get, Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy/main Translation-en Err http://linuxcnc.org base/2.7-uspace Sources 404 Not Found Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy/non-free Translation-en Err http://linuxcnc.org base/2.7-uspace i3
[17:08:35] <cradek> try pastebin
[17:08:45] <cradek> those about translation are expected
[17:08:48] <cradek> the rest, can't tell
[17:09:23] <lair82> http://pastebin.com/GHcJkRvu
[17:09:53] <cradek> wheezy/dists/base/2.7-uspace is a wrong path
[17:09:59] <cradek> check your sources carefully
[17:11:08] <lair82> http://postimg.org/image/wxv2wh897/
[17:12:07] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_installing_on_debian_wheezy_and_debian_jessie_with_preempt_rt_kernel
[17:12:26] <cradek> I think you typed http://linuxcnc.org/wheezy into some field, and that is wrong
[17:12:56] <cradek> I am not exactly sure how you convince synaptic to write the right sources line, but you can experiment and then check what it writes
[17:15:44] <lair82> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/pdf/LinuxCNC_Getting_Started.pdf this is where I copied and pasted from
[17:16:27] <lair82> Typo in the line regarding this on that pdf
[17:18:51] <lair82> Now it's working
[17:20:05] <lair82> cradek is that right about that typo/
[17:22:03] <lair82> Need to restart this pc, be back in a few
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[17:29:14] <JT-Shop> run for your life!
[17:30:12] <JT-Shop> hmmm for some reason my mouse is real slow
[17:31:07] <SpeedEvil> JT-Shop: Feed it some meth.
[17:32:04] <JT-Shop> lol
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[17:33:49] <spline> heh
[17:34:48] <JT-Shop> switching to a USB3 port fixed it
[17:35:58] <SpeedEvil> USB3 is faster.
[17:36:04] <SpeedEvil> USB2 only supports slow mice.
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[18:11:45] <cradek> huh, that sure does look different in the pdf vs the website
[18:12:34] <JT-Shop> what looks different?
[18:12:48] <cradek> lair82> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/pdf/LinuxCNC_Getting_Started.pdf this is where I copied and pasted from
[18:13:14] <cradek> look at section 3.7.1 "Add a new apt source that looks like this:" and there is not a space before wheezy or jessie in that line
[18:13:23] <furrywolf> I'll need to RTFM on mesa setup if they ever get 7i76es done... never set one up before. :)
[18:13:50] <cradek> compare to here: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_installing_on_debian_wheezy_and_debian_jessie_with_preempt_rt_kernel
[18:13:56] <cradek> where the spaces show up correctly
[18:14:19] <furrywolf> you generate the pdf from the html, right?
[18:14:26] <cradek> sorta
[18:14:32] <cradek> more like they have a common source
[18:14:45] <furrywolf> ah, hrmm.
[18:14:56] <furrywolf> I was going to suggest just declaring the html to be the official version. :)
[18:15:05] <cradek> thanks for your help!
[18:17:53] * furrywolf goes back to eating breakfast, being not able to help
[18:18:00] <JT-Shop> copy and paste have the same results, the text / has different widths I thik
[18:18:15] <cradek> if you copy from the pdf a space appears?
[18:18:32] <JT-Shop> yes
[18:18:57] <JT-Shop> good luck trying to copy from the pdf in PDF Viewer 0.1.8
[18:19:02] <cradek> not in evince
[18:19:06] <cradek> deb http://linuxcnc.org/wheezy base 2.
[18:19:11] <cradek> ...
[18:19:25] <cradek> tp://linuxcnc.org/jessie base
[18:19:38] <JT-Shop> I'll go look at the docs to see what is up
[18:19:45] <cradek> nope nope I don't get spaces
[18:19:57] <cradek> thanks JT-Shop
[18:25:22] <ganzuul> what even is bronze ¯\(º_o)/¯
[18:25:40] <ganzuul> is it anti-sharpness?
[18:26:07] <ganzuul> is it hate in material form?
[18:26:25] <cradek> metallic glue
[18:26:31] <cradek> shiny glue
[18:26:50] <ganzuul> It disintegrates into this annoying sand-like substance.
[18:27:35] <ganzuul> derp, brass
[18:28:36] <cradek> but brass is the easiest
[18:28:46] <cradek> are you doing something wrong? if so, stop doing that
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[18:29:47] <ganzuul> yes
[18:29:52] <ganzuul> this is wise
[18:30:28] <ganzuul> Dunno... Whole machine started vibrating for no appearant reason in the middle of the cut.
[18:30:45] <ganzuul> Dug the tool bit in like hell.
[18:30:55] <ganzuul> Maybe I should run it in reverse all the time...
[18:30:56] <Wolf_> thats a sieg feature
[18:30:59] <cradek> lathe?
[18:31:04] <ganzuul> yes
[18:31:10] <furrywolf> I turned some sintered bronze bushings recently... I found a HSS cutter with a LOT of rake to work best. yes, it makes sand, not chips.
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[18:31:20] <cradek> work turned small enough to get bendy?
[18:31:35] <ganzuul> furrywolf: Very, very sharp?
[18:31:52] <furrywolf> for about 30 seconds at a time, yes. :P
[18:32:19] <ganzuul> cradek: No, it's 80mm in dia rod. About 25cm long. got it supported with a dead center in the tailstock and a lot of EP lube
[18:32:20] <furrywolf> frequent regrinding needed
[18:32:32] <cradek> huh
[18:32:39] <ganzuul> huh +1
[18:32:40] <cradek> about what surface speed?
[18:32:44] <lair82> cradek, what did you come up with? I read back and saw you and jt were conversing on the pdf issue.
[18:33:13] <cradek> jt's going to try to figure it out. not sure what's causing it yet, but it's definitely different in pdf vs html
[18:33:38] <ganzuul> 418.87902 mm/second
[18:33:51] <lair82> Ok, I will just hit the html from now on.
[18:33:51] <furrywolf> my sintered bronze is probably different from your solid piece, so what I found probably doesn't apply. I found a LOT of rake to be useful. like, way more than anything else I've cut.
[18:34:09] <cradek> that's 82 sfm. crank that rpm up about 3x higher
[18:34:22] <cradek> you must be turning super slow
[18:34:48] <ganzuul> It was stable at that slow speed. higher made it weird.
[18:34:53] <cradek> heh
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[18:35:17] <ganzuul> I should be getting a wider saddle tomorrow, so it should be more rigid.
[18:36:12] <ganzuul> BTW this was with a vertical shear tool.
[18:36:26] <ganzuul> Trying to get a nice finish.
[18:36:53] <cradek> I don't know what that is
[18:37:01] <ganzuul> Some Soviet brazed carbide bits thatI sharpened with diamond worked fine.
[18:37:13] <cradek> you mean parting tool?
[18:37:23] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUcyHenjkew
[18:37:26] <ganzuul> Newp.
[18:37:28] <ganzuul> This
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[18:38:09] <ganzuul> And I'd swear digging in was exactly what it did.
[18:38:43] <cradek> weird, I've never seen that shape
[18:39:07] <ganzuul> The same bit with the same angles worked very nicely on 6061.
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[18:45:17] * furrywolf keeps waiting for it to load to see what it is
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[18:49:22] <ganzuul> huh
[18:49:27] <ganzuul> refresh?
[18:49:28] <furrywolf> argh... three minutes in and it's still just a guy blabbering at pointing at a sheet of paper! this should be written, not video!!
[18:49:47] <ssi> lolol
[18:50:14] <furrywolf> looks like just a 0 degree rake tool.
[18:50:39] <furrywolf> refresh? so I can wait for the first three minutes to download again?
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[18:51:04] <malcom2073> I almost expected this guy to have videos about free energy and HHO too
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[18:53:06] <ganzuul> oh?
[18:53:18] <furrywolf> that tool is basically the exact opposite of what worked best on the bronze I cut. but, your solid bronze may be different than the sintered I was cutting.
[18:53:43] <ssi> vertical shearing is drastically different than traditional lathetool geometry
[18:53:44] <cradek> I think he said it's brass
[18:54:01] <cradek> yeah I have no experience with that kind of cutting
[18:54:25] <furrywolf> 0 rake, negative relief. :P
[18:54:35] <furrywolf> side relief
[18:54:46] <ganzuul> It's the same thing that the side of an endmill does.
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[18:55:24] <furrywolf> I'm sure he said bronze...
[18:55:33] * ssi is sure he said both
[18:55:48] <ganzuul> brass
[18:56:08] <ganzuul> I said bronze but I lied.
[18:56:33] <furrywolf> lol
[18:56:40] <furrywolf> how are you having problems cutting brass? :P
[18:56:49] <furrywolf> stop using a weird tool and just grab something out of the toolbox.
[18:57:54] <cradek> yeah, you can cut brass successfully with a straight blade screwdriver mounted to the toolpost
[18:58:01] <cradek> or a butterknife
[18:58:07] <furrywolf> lol
[18:58:33] <furrywolf> that vertical shear tool looks to me like it'll try smearing and galling not cutting in brass.
[19:00:05] <furrywolf> day before yesterday I got my new harbor freight lathe running... soaked the whole thing in a can of wd40 to loosen up the stupidly thick layer of yelow chinese grease that had everything stuck in place.
[19:01:48] <ssi> WD40 is amazing on cosmoline
[19:01:51] <ssi> it RUNS off
[19:05:04] <furrywolf> I really want the clausing lathe on craigslist, but he doesn't seem to want to go down into my price range or take trades.
[19:06:41] <ganzuul> I think I got what the issue is.
[19:06:53] <ganzuul> This lathe should not really use a tailstock.
[19:06:56] <furrywolf> you're using a weird tool?
[19:07:20] <ganzuul> I can take a hold of both ends of the lathe and twist it to adjust the depth of cut.
[19:07:39] <ssi> the tailstock isn't the problem
[19:07:45] <ssi> the rigidity of the lathe is the problem
[19:07:48] <ganzuul> yup
[19:08:06] <ganzuul> I should get something to bolt it down to.
[19:08:48] <ssi> bolt it down, level it, then do the two collars test to check your bed twist
[19:08:49] <furrywolf> I could bolt my new lathe to the table on my mill. :)
[19:09:03] <ganzuul> :p
[19:09:24] <furrywolf> it covers a third of the table. I need a bigger lathe. :)
[19:09:33] <ganzuul> I could get a hold of a table like that, but I have little ability to transport it.
[19:09:38] <ssi> whoa someone built another sonex jet
[19:09:39] <ssi> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/12140988_1192412230772853_7191224737799543045_o.jpg
[19:10:33] <furrywolf> what the heck is that? lol
[19:10:43] <ssi> they call it the 'sub-sonex'
[19:10:43] <ssi> haha
[19:11:04] <furrywolf> it looks too small
[19:11:08] <ssi> too small for what? :)
[19:11:08] <furrywolf> midget-only seating
[19:11:39] <ssi> obviously you're not familiar with the cri-cri :D
[19:11:40] <ssi> http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/attachments/hangar-flying/6927d1277160404-eads-builds-all-electric-cri-cri-p1011070.jpg
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[19:12:01] <ssi> or even better, the cri-cri jet! http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/cricri/cricri-jet.jpg
[19:12:14] <furrywolf> lol
[19:12:32] <ssi> I want a set of cricri plans but the guy won't sell them to americans cause he thinks we're too litigious
[19:12:36] <ssi> not that he's wrong! :(
[19:12:45] <furrywolf> will it actually stay in level flight with one engine? :P
[19:12:48] <ssi> yep
[19:12:53] <ssi> whoa
[19:12:53] <ssi> http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2010/06/4af0e222-ad8e-4bd5-8323-e845ce96802f.Full_.jpg
[19:12:56] <ssi> four engine electric cricri
[19:13:04] <ssi> s/engine/motor :P
[19:13:23] <SpeedEvil> cricri is awesome
[19:13:31] <ssi> SpeedEvil: yesss
[19:13:37] <furrywolf> or it's two motors that let the stator spin as well as the rotor. :P
[19:13:42] <ssi> I need one of our european friends to order me a set of plans and send them to me
[19:13:45] * furrywolf has seen a video of a motor like that once
[19:13:47] <ssi> furrywolf: what would it mount to?
[19:13:59] <SpeedEvil> ssi: probably cheaper just to post a cricri
[19:14:02] <furrywolf> lots of bearings.
[19:14:30] <ssi> SpeedEvil: nahhhh
[19:14:30] <Sync> oh god
[19:14:34] <Sync> that thing seems very yolo
[19:14:40] <furrywolf> yolo?
[19:14:52] <SpeedEvil> reportedly the cricri is sane to fly
[19:14:52] <ssi> Sync: everything I do is very yolo, but anyone that uses that word around me gets a punch in the throat :D
[19:15:06] <Sync> pfft
[19:15:11] <ssi> heheh
[19:15:20] <Sync> even ghandi said yoloswag4jesus
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[19:16:03] * furrywolf googles yolo
[19:16:04] <ssi> I'd love to build one but I don't think my fat ass would be comfortable in it
[19:16:27] <Sync> make your fat ass a thin ass
[19:16:41] <ssi> would that it were so easy :'(
[19:16:55] <furrywolf> "If you are over 25, YOLO likely means nothing to you. If you are under 25, you may be so familiar with YOLO that you’re already completely sick of it."
[19:17:07] <ssi> furrywolf: I guess you're over 25 :P
[19:17:29] <furrywolf> start jogging and cycling instead of flying everywhere. :P
[19:17:49] <ssi> if I jogged to the places I normally fly, I'd still be on my way
[19:17:57] <furrywolf> and nice and skinny!
[19:18:02] <ssi> indeed
[19:20:03] <ssi> found the plans on scribd
[19:20:06] <ssi> http://www.scribd.com/doc/222591707/MC15-Cri-Cri-Plans-Binder#scribd
[19:20:23] <ssi> hate that you can't download shit from there without paying them
[19:21:01] <ssi> anymay hometime
[19:24:32] <furrywolf> bbl too
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[19:26:21] <Sync> ssi: you'd probably explode around me
[19:26:40] <Sync> I forcememe yolo at every opportunity
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[19:38:51] <MacGalempsy> good afternoon
[19:39:01] <ganzuul> hello
[19:39:26] <MacGalempsy> must have been tired, I left here last night around 0900 and just got up about an hour ago
[19:39:50] <MacGalempsy> i mean 2100
[19:39:58] <ganzuul> :o
[19:40:16] <MacGalempsy> yeah! its 1440 now!
[19:45:37] <MacGalempsy> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34475158
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[19:45:51] <MacGalempsy> I wonder if it would take down a private plane
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[19:48:03] <SpeedEvil> It's just a jammer.
[19:48:16] <SpeedEvil> If there is a pilot ... no
[19:48:36] <SpeedEvil> If the device has GPS and RTB, and they're not jamming GPS - no.
[19:48:43] <SpeedEvil> if it has INS, no.
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[20:01:14] <MacGalempsy> how can then knock down an autonomous drone if they are not jamming GPS?
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[20:06:09] <SpeedEvil> they're possibly using 'drone' in the sense of 'toy RC quadcopter'
[20:06:20] <SpeedEvil> Which fairly often don't have RTB
[20:06:46] <XXCoder> it would be basic RC jammer then
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[20:09:12] <SpeedEvil> it's got a directional antenna on it!
[20:10:02] <SpeedEvil> Also it costs $10K, not $10 that you get the parts from on ebay before putting it in a pipe and painting it camo
[20:10:43] <malcom2073> It's all in the marketing
[20:10:53] <malcom2073> I should kickstarter an auto-tracking RC jammer
[20:10:55] <XXCoder> interesting
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[20:11:23] <MacGalempsy> so my solution is to make the drone fly 3ft off the ground
[20:11:23] <CaptHindsight> anti-auto-tracking RC jammer
[20:11:41] <SpeedEvil> high performance drone with a net.
[20:11:48] <MacGalempsy> well, hug as close as possible
[20:11:57] <XXCoder> anti-anti-auto-tracking jammer
[20:12:08] <MacGalempsy> lol
[20:14:21] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/_nzKPtQOzCg?t=1m59s look at the size of these RC planes
[20:16:09] <malcom2073> 1/4 people are nutters
[20:16:16] <malcom2073> 1/4 scale
[20:16:20] <CaptHindsight> what would a RC jammer really be good for?
[20:17:06] <malcom2073> Making RC planes fall out of the sky
[20:17:15] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: making people try more than once to get footage.
[20:17:22] <CaptHindsight> what happens when the RC craft starts out out of range of the RC jammer and then crashes after reaching the jam zone?
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[20:17:37] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: They have to buy another drone
[20:17:46] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: if you can track the thing going back and forth trying to get good pics, it's going to be easier to find the controller than if it' goes normally
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[20:18:41] <CaptHindsight> stop letting stupid people run things
[20:18:50] <malcom2073> Run what?
[20:19:01] <CaptHindsight> guberment for one
[20:19:09] <malcom2073> Well that's never gonna happen, nobody sane ever wants to be in charge
[20:19:13] <SpeedEvil> Some uses of drones aren't OK.
[20:19:27] <SpeedEvil> There are retards out there that actually put people at risk.
[20:19:43] <CaptHindsight> those are called CEO's
[20:21:11] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: like Martin Shkreli
[20:22:25] <Connor> That 1/4 Jet could be a freaking Airforce Drone is so large.
[20:23:25] <Wolf_> probably almost costs as much too
[20:24:01] <Wolf_> $12k probably in engines on that model (guessing)
[20:24:01] <Connor> You can't tell in the air that it's a model.
[20:24:50] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: Flying heavy drones over crowds that certainly will badly hurt or kill people if they fail, IMO should be regulated.
[20:25:09] <malcom2073> More goverment!
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[20:25:39] <Wolf_> just make it legal to beat the crap out of people doing dumb things
[20:25:41] <malcom2073> Also, it is regulated.
[20:25:45] <SpeedEvil> Much like discharging weapons into the air is regulated.
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[20:25:56] <ganzuul> Could be common sense regs, like not using gasoline.
[20:25:57] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: never said either way, but there should be nicely defined line as I don't want to register my inch big quadcoper (there is ones that tiny)
[20:26:09] <CaptHindsight> there is another video of a mid air collision between to RC planes with a few foot wingspan
[20:26:26] <SpeedEvil> Yes. If you're happy to fly it into your head, then it's not an issue.
[20:26:51] <malcom2073> What's wrong with gasoline RC aircraft?
[20:27:07] <CaptHindsight> well maybe only 2 ft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkca5pIEC6k
[20:27:08] <malcom2073> They're just as safe/unsafe as electric or nitro
[20:27:09] <Wolf_> should be common sense to not fly somethgin like http://i.imgur.com/QO0HrkT.jpg over a crowd of people
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[20:27:15] <ganzuul> Flammable. Mets steel beams.
[20:27:19] <ganzuul> ~melts
[20:27:47] <malcom2073> I've been near a rather large RC gasoline plane that flew into the ground at 80+mph, there was no fireball
[20:27:51] <malcom2073> There was no fire for that matter
[20:27:51] <ganzuul> IIRC there are JP formulations which are not normally flammable.
[20:27:51] <SpeedEvil> Wolf_: Should be, yes
[20:28:08] <XXCoder> I hate "SUB PLZ!!!!!" boxes in video
[20:28:08] <malcom2073> They don't carry gallons of fuel you know
[20:29:57] <ganzuul> I want an RC model of the British Skylon/Reaction Engines
[20:30:10] <ganzuul> Preferably nuclear powered.
[20:30:28] <ganzuul> With indefinite loitering ability.
[20:30:48] <malcom2073> And I want a toilet made of gold
[20:31:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.firefox-fx.com/rocketry.htm can you combine RC with rocketry?
[20:31:16] <CaptHindsight> or fireworks?
[20:32:04] <malcom2073> Not if you want to be covered by the AMA
[20:32:29] <XXCoder> otherwise.. of course you can! lol
[20:32:48] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sjFIB1L3BPU#t=95 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gPGFaXqzitc#t=86 - full size can be too like models
[20:34:36] <ganzuul> That pilot makes me angry...
[20:35:34] <chris_99> Estes used to sell rocket powered RC gliders, not sure if they still do
[20:35:40] <SpeedEvil> The second has a decent excuse.
[20:35:53] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: they do
[20:35:58] <chris_99> cool
[20:36:13] <SpeedEvil> http://www.modelrockets.co.uk/shop/klima-model-rocket-motors/d3-six-pack-18mm-rocket-glider-motor-p-3311.html?osCsid=011abd6cf08154e223f8c8d3610aca04
[20:37:00] <MrSunshine> gah i need to find a swedish translation of "regenerative blower" :/
[20:39:10] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: was miliary shooting at plane?
[20:39:15] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: No.
[20:39:24] <SpeedEvil> (in neither case)
[20:39:48] <MrSunshine> yey found it
[20:40:01] <ganzuul> MrSunshine: What is it?
[20:40:08] <MrSunshine> "sidokanalfläkt"
[20:40:21] <MrSunshine> now to find a price ...
[20:40:38] <ganzuul> Is that a supercharger?
[20:41:07] <MrSunshine> https://www.google.se/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&client=ubuntu&q=regenerative%20blower&oq=regenerative%20blower&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l3j69i60j0l2.3354j0j4
[20:43:29] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: AMA? Amerikan Model Association?
[20:43:34] <ganzuul> Them's some sweet properties.
[20:44:31] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: yeah, it's a USA thing
[20:44:43] <ganzuul> Could maybe power through a laminar flow filter to stop turbulence noise.
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[20:47:47] <aventtini6> hello guysss
[20:48:57] <XXCoder> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poIH2E0PtrY
[20:50:20] <aventtini6> first mill part
[20:50:22] <aventtini6> :))
[20:50:23] <aventtini6> https://youtu.be/P8_hKA4cGGc
[20:51:05] <aventtini6> AOE
[20:51:09] <aventtini6> :D
[20:51:12] <aventtini6> good
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[20:56:57] <aventtini6> guys there is any way that the machine can not use g1 and g3?
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[20:57:17] <aventtini6> its slowing down really much
[20:57:29] <XXCoder> g1 is standard cutting, set by f (feed rate)
[20:58:27] <aventtini6> feed was 100%
[20:58:41] <XXCoder> no, look in g code
[20:58:42] <aventtini6> in streight line it was going 1500mm
[20:59:03] <aventtini6> in corner it slowing down bad
[20:59:18] <aventtini6> im sure it was g3 and possible g2
[20:59:31] <aventtini6> look on my video
[20:59:32] <XXCoder> g2 and g3 is same thing, just CW and CCW
[21:00:18] <aventtini6> maybe from postprovesor
[21:00:41] <XXCoder> possibly
[21:00:49] <XXCoder> you know how to read gcode?
[21:00:59] <aventtini6> yes
[21:01:00] <XXCoder> if so, it may be possible to adjust feedrate
[21:01:14] <XXCoder> of course, carefully as usual. :)
[21:01:14] <aventtini6> i will test it
[21:01:17] <aventtini6> sure
[21:01:29] <aventtini6> i test 1mm in 800mm
[21:01:39] <aventtini6> it was going like a racket
[21:01:42] <aventtini6> :))
[21:01:53] <XXCoder> lol
[21:03:44] <aventtini6> still learning the z+ is minus
[21:03:48] <aventtini6> :)))
[21:03:57] <XXCoder> most machines I run, going down is negative
[21:04:31] <Wolf_> ^ thats how I code my stuff
[21:04:43] <aventtini6> i have 3 in normal mode
[21:04:55] <aventtini6> and mickron oposite
[21:04:57] <aventtini6> :)))
[21:05:03] <Wolf_> but that is really a cam issue :P
[21:05:24] <aventtini6> :))
[21:05:45] <aventtini6> tomorow i start working on the philips scales
[21:05:46] <aventtini6> :D
[21:06:26] <Wolf_> I need to cad up more parts and do more milling to get my machine ready to run
[21:06:41] <aventtini6> :)))
[21:06:50] <Wolf_> no rush tho cause I’m stuck waiting on parts from china...
[21:06:58] <aventtini6> i have 3 more to convert
[21:07:01] <aventtini6> :))
[21:07:05] <aventtini6> me to
[21:07:09] <aventtini6> 4 mpg
[21:07:17] <aventtini6> still on way
[21:07:21] <aventtini6> 2 weeks
[21:07:32] <XXCoder> Wolf_: it seems to me that NORMAL status here is waiting for parts from china lol
[21:07:38] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/OeR3fzr.jpg least its starting to look like something
[21:07:43] <Wolf_> yeah XXCoder
[21:07:48] <XXCoder> I know good percent of my time waiting was waiting for parts from china lol
[21:08:22] <aventtini6> i got some er8 cottlets
[21:08:51] <Sync> aventtini6: I have looked into the philips scales
[21:08:54] <aventtini6> on the endmill price is good but they ripoff you on shipping
[21:08:59] <aventtini6> yes
[21:09:01] <Sync> doing it without dedicated hardware will be annoying
[21:09:02] <Deejay> gn8
[21:09:20] <aventtini6> they are 4 wires as signal and one gnd
[21:09:24] <PetefromTn_> Well crap!
[21:09:27] <XXCoder> right now im waiting for my 8020 special nuts so I can mount stuff into my cnc router.
[21:09:31] <XXCoder> then.. cutting time!
[21:09:34] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda pissed here
[21:09:35] <aventtini6> i will hookthem up to a HH
[21:09:45] <Sync> that's not going to work at all
[21:09:51] <PetefromTn_> I ordered a nice parlec arbor for my new face mill from ebay
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[21:10:09] <aventtini6> they are sin
[21:10:19] <PetefromTn_> after I bought it I received a message that said they made a mistake and the one they had is a CAT50 model and not a CAT40 model
[21:10:26] <aventtini6> only they dont have index
[21:10:34] <PetefromTn_> they asked me if I was okay with gettign another one in CAT40 just like it
[21:10:35] <Wolf_> doh pete
[21:10:37] <PetefromTn_> I agreed
[21:10:44] <PetefromTn_> just received it
[21:10:47] <PetefromTn_> opened the box
[21:11:13] <PetefromTn_> and the damn thing instead of having a nice wide head locking screw like the one I purchased in the ebay action
[21:11:24] <PetefromTn_> has a smaller diameter SHCS
[21:11:29] <PetefromTn_> so it is basically useless to me
[21:11:46] <Sync> well, they output a sine aventtini6, but not a cosine
[21:11:48] <XXCoder> jeez
[21:11:50] <PetefromTn_> I ASKED them to first send me a picture of the different arbor they were wanting to send me
[21:11:52] <Sync> also you need the drive clock
[21:12:00] <Sync> and the reset signal
[21:12:07] <PetefromTn_> before they ship it
[21:12:20] <PetefromTn_> they did not send me a picture and just shipped it anyway
[21:12:28] <PetefromTn_> so I am screwed here...
[21:12:39] <aventtini6> how much did you send time on them?
[21:12:51] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: chargeback?
[21:13:17] <XXCoder> do site has "part not as discribed"?
[21:13:29] <PetefromTn_> I just contacted them to see what they are willing to do
[21:13:47] <PetefromTn_> before I try to give negative feedback
[21:13:53] <Connor> PetefromTn_: What are you getting?
[21:14:00] <XXCoder> gonna run later
[21:14:03] <PetefromTn_> already got it
[21:14:08] <PetefromTn_> its not what I wanted
[21:14:17] <Connor> What was it you was expecting? :)
[21:14:22] <Connor> CAT40 what ?
[21:14:38] <PetefromTn_> I ordered a CAT40 arbor for my brand new Maritool Facemill
[21:14:42] <Connor> Ah.
[21:14:48] <aventtini6> i will post the shematics
[21:14:51] <aventtini6> schematics
[21:14:54] <PetefromTn_> and the one I ordered had a picture that would work
[21:14:58] <aventtini6> tomorow im getting them
[21:15:11] <PetefromTn_> they screwed up their auction and asked me if I would accept another one just like it
[21:15:37] <PetefromTn_> I asked them to send me a picture of the item
[21:15:45] <PetefromTn_> they did not send a picture just shipped it
[21:16:12] <PetefromTn_> so I would have rejected it due to the smaller diameter screw that will not hold the facemill on it
[21:16:23] <MacGalempsy> that mid air collisions sucks!
[21:16:24] <PetefromTn_> the auction I bought had the larger diameter screw
[21:16:30] <PetefromTn_> what mid air collision?
[21:16:46] <MacGalempsy> the youtube jet drone
[21:16:48] <Sync> aventtini6: the schematics are not important, they already float around the internet
[21:16:49] <MacGalempsy> video
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[21:19:34] <PetefromTn_> missed it
[21:20:53] <Sync> hmm, somehow my 7i80 doesn't really do what I expect it to do, it does not configure like I want tell it to
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[21:35:19] <Sync> huh what, I reflashed the thing and now I'm getting invalid IDROM PortWidth 24 errors
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[21:53:27] <Sync> ah shit, I was dumb
[21:56:11] <SpeedEvil> As long as it diddn't kill stuff, you learned something :)
[21:56:26] <SpeedEvil> Now you will never, ever be dumb again!
[21:57:04] <Sync> I only glanced at the filenames and flashed a 7i80hd instead of 7i80db bitfile
[21:58:05] * ganzuul wants to spark test PetefromTn_'s brand new Maritool Facemill...
[21:58:35] <PetefromTn_> ganzuul is not going to be touching PetefromTn's facemill ;)
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[22:01:54] <MacGalempsy> well this dang y axis is super stiff. anyone know how to loosen up a ballscrew?
[22:02:12] <PetefromTn_> define stiff
[22:04:14] <Wolf_> could anneal it, should be nice and loose after
[22:05:09] <SpeedEvil> naah. just slop on some 400 grit SiC and then wash it off after a couple of strokes
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[22:07:36] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: I pulled the motor off and i can barely move the table by hand
[22:07:49] <MacGalempsy> the x axis moves pretty easy back and forth
[22:07:58] <MacGalempsy> i am greasing is now to see what happens
[22:07:58] <PetefromTn_> never saw a ballscrew that was anything less than slick and smooth
[22:08:41] <MacGalempsy> now it is a little better
[22:08:47] <MacGalempsy> it could be the slides,
[22:12:31] <Connor> MacGalempsy: Where did you get the ballscrew ?
[22:13:21] <Connor> If it's a Chinese C7, it could be the white wipers.. Grit in the circuit, or a ball out of the circuit.
[22:13:34] <MacGalempsy> came on the machine which is USA everything
[22:13:43] <MacGalempsy> wonder if something is bent
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[22:13:53] <Connor> Bent won't cause it to be stiff normally..
[22:14:08] <Connor> unless it's mounted
[22:14:10] <Wolf_> end bearing could be crusty
[22:14:15] <Connor> What is the machine?
[22:14:31] <Connor> Could be too much preload.
[22:14:39] <Connor> on the ballscrew itself, OR the AC bearings
[22:14:55] <Connor> bent screw could causing binding...
[22:15:13] <Connor> but that normally only happens in specific areas of travel.
[22:15:28] <MacGalempsy> it is tight across the spectrum
[22:15:34] <Sync> some are like that
[22:15:48] <Connor> okay, so, I'm thinking preload
[22:15:50] <MacGalempsy> the x and z are really good, I can move by hand
[22:15:57] <Connor> and it might suppose to be that way.
[22:16:01] <MacGalempsy> anyways, I got to go toclass
[22:16:13] <MacGalempsy> will catch everyone after 10!
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[22:20:14] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, send the holder back to them
[22:20:21] <Tom_itx> with postage due
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[22:21:32] <Wolf_> or tell them you are going to open a paypal dispute for item not as described
[22:22:11] <Tom_itx> i would definitely do that.. the buyer ALWAYS wins those
[22:22:24] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't even tell em
[22:22:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have dealt with issues like this before on ebau
[22:22:57] <Contract_Pilot> wow, got a package today and wow!! it was busted open and taped up.
[22:22:59] <PetefromTn_> ebay
[22:23:20] <PetefromTn_> I will just wait to hear from the seller to see what they offer to do about it.
[22:23:33] <PetefromTn_> what sucks is I needed to get started on these flanges with this thing
[22:23:38] <Tom_itx> did you find another holder in the mean time?
[22:23:45] <PetefromTn_> I did receive the brand new inserts today in the mail tho
[22:23:49] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, did you see how to make the file open dialog any size and place you want?
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[22:24:12] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, was that the post in the devel channel?
[22:24:12] <PetefromTn_> No I have not found another holder yet I gotta see what they are going to do
[22:24:22] * JT-Shop got everything from Maritool
[22:24:34] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, on the forum I posted it
[22:24:37] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop no I have not yet done that
[22:24:40] <Tom_itx> oh
[22:24:44] <PetefromTn_> been working a LOT lately
[22:24:47] <Tom_itx> someone else posted something on that too
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[22:24:50] <Tom_itx> earlier
[22:25:07] <PetefromTn_> its kind of stupid that it does not open in at least ALMOST full screen
[22:25:09] <Tom_itx> i don't get on the forum
[22:25:31] <JT-Shop> you have to remember how the GUI's evolved
[22:26:15] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop I would have bought the holder from Maritool but their price on it was twice what I paid for this one. It is not like the one I got is not a quality unit just different than what I ordered.
[22:26:25] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/21-axis/29735-axis-modifications
[22:26:33] <PetefromTn_> tried to get all of it for less than 3 bills
[22:26:46] <JT-Shop> I understand
[22:26:58] <JT-Shop> anyway did you fix your file open dialog?
[22:27:15] <PetefromTn_> no I just said I have not had time
[22:27:31] <PetefromTn_> been pretty busy here at work and at my own shop
[22:27:38] <JT-Shop> ah missed that
[22:29:44] <Tom_itx> twice as much for what you want is better than half as much for something you don't
[22:29:46] <Tom_itx> :)
[22:30:11] <PetefromTn_> har har harde harr
[22:30:35] <Tom_itx> i've been rather lucky on ebay
[22:30:48] <PetefromTn_> this is a kennametal holder it is not exactly chopped liver
[22:31:02] <Tom_itx> you could have gotten valenite then maritool would have seemed cheap
[22:31:07] <PetefromTn_> just probably more of a shell mill holder than a facemill holder
[22:32:26] <Tom_itx> shell mills do side cuts? and face mills don't?
[22:33:00] <Tom_itx> i'm not exactly sure the difference
[22:35:34] <PetefromTn_> I guess I could try to find or make a large thick washer for this one
[22:35:56] <PetefromTn_> but if they had just sold me the one in the picture in the damn auction I won this would not be a problem
[22:36:04] <Tom_itx> yup
[22:36:13] <JT-Shop> I hate when they screw you like that
[22:36:36] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CAT-50-1-Face-Mill-Arbor-Qty1-AA3B05-50-25-051-LOC1852B-TS14-/371452304375?hash=item567c485bf7
[22:36:42] <PetefromTn_> that is the auction I orderd
[22:36:59] <PetefromTn_> you see how the screw is big with a wide fat head on it
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[22:37:14] <PetefromTn_> the one I got has just a large SHCS
[22:37:16] <Tom_itx> that says cat50 now though
[22:37:28] <PetefromTn_> it is not even wider than the 1" shank
[22:37:35] <PetefromTn_> I know actually that is what they screwed up
[22:37:45] <PetefromTn_> the ad USED to say Cat40
[22:37:49] <PetefromTn_> so I bought it
[22:38:11] <PetefromTn_> then they said it was wrong and could they send me a different one that is CAT40 but the same size arbor
[22:38:28] <PetefromTn_> I asked them to send me a picuture before they shipped it
[22:38:35] <PetefromTn_> they just shipped it anyways
[22:38:37] <Tom_itx> anybody can tell the difference between cat40 and catg50
[22:39:23] <PetefromTn_> well apparently I can't ;)
[22:39:36] <PetefromTn_> the auction said CAT40 and the arbors looked right to me
[22:39:39] <Tom_itx> i mean if they're standing there holding it
[22:39:44] <PetefromTn_> but whaddahell do I know
[22:39:58] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah in person there is a vast difference
[22:40:21] <Tom_itx> the knob end is rather fat on those
[22:41:06] <Tom_itx> pictures can be deceiving though
[22:42:27] <ganzuul> Cantilevers are dumb!
[22:44:22] <ganzuul> ...unless they are stretched by centripetal forces.
[22:44:24] <ganzuul> hm.
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[22:46:16] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, are these close? http://www.ebay.com/itm/PARLEC-CAT-40-1-FACE-MILL-ARBOR-C40-10SM2-LOC1686-/251966131341?hash=item3aaa5a0c8d
[22:48:18] <PetefromTn_> close to what?
[22:48:30] <PetefromTn_> they don't appear to even have the screws for them LOL
[22:48:31] <Tom_itx> what you need
[22:48:39] <Tom_itx> hmm
[22:49:01] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PARLEC-CAT-40-1-FACE-MILL-ARBOR-C40-10SM2-LOC1687/371331118899?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33870%26meid%3Df5f3c721fa744040bdc4e1e610df85fd%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D251966131341
[22:49:19] <PetefromTn_> this is pretty much exactly what I received only a kennametal instead of parlec
[22:49:35] <Tom_itx> looks like a standard fine thread
[22:49:39] <Tom_itx> or are they metric?
[22:50:36] <PetefromTn_> Oh I am sure the screw thread is a standard one but getting one with the wide fat head to hold my damn facemill in is gonna be a bitch
[22:52:30] <PetefromTn_> I tell you what these aluminum specific polished dished inserts I got for the facemill are SHARP!
[22:52:59] * Tom_itx gives PetefromTn_ a band aid
[22:53:40] <PetefromTn_> seriously these are VERY sharp inserts kinda surprised actually I am used to sort of radiused edge inserts for steel mostly
[22:53:49] <Tom_itx> yep
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[22:54:09] <PetefromTn_> Can't wait to see this baby rip some aluminum
[22:54:45] <Tom_itx> what side did you get? 3"?
[22:54:59] <Tom_itx> that's a good size
[22:55:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah 3"
[22:55:19] <PetefromTn_> six inserts
[22:55:25] <PetefromTn_> 3.15 diameter
[22:55:26] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:55:50] <PetefromTn_> it LOOKS really nice I will say that... no idea how it will cut yet.
[22:58:21] <fenn> how well do carbide inserts for aluminum work on steel?
[22:58:50] <Tom_itx> probably not as good as ones designed for steel
[22:58:58] <PetefromTn_> probably wreck em
[22:59:08] <fenn> but on a small machine the regular steel inserts are too dull
[22:59:19] <Tom_itx> try one
[22:59:50] <PetefromTn_> tell you what if you buy a set I will test em for ya ;)
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[23:00:06] <fenn> sure i'll get some from walmart
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[23:00:30] <Tom_itx> they seem to sell everything else now
[23:00:52] * Tom_itx hands JT-Deck a beer
[23:00:57] <JT-Deck> Pete you getting rain
[23:01:15] <PetefromTn_> nope
[23:01:19] <JT-Deck> After my glass of wine thanks
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[23:04:27] <JT-Deck> What's the best way to Wears valley 140 to Maryville then 321?
[23:04:45] * ganzuul needs a crossing between an antenna mast and a metalworking machine.
[23:04:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah that works
[23:07:42] <JT-Deck> Cool can't wait for next weekend
[23:09:43] <PetefromTn_> yeah man I think you will enjoy the area there is a lot to see and do..
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[23:20:59] <JT-Deck> A guy that lives over that way said to ride the CHEROHALA SKYWAY
[23:22:33] <JT-Deck> Time to go in
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[23:57:36] <PetefromTn_> Have you guys ever bought electronics items from Canada and ifso was there customs fees involved? Specifically Vancouver BC?
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