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[00:00:34] <SpeedEvil> for added fun, you don't prosecute the person, you prosecute the property.
[00:01:03] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: does it specifically say ' a mans' ?
[00:01:14] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I happen to have been reading UK equaliy law.
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[00:01:34] <SpeedEvil> Apparantly it is not a disability if you habitually set fire to government ministers. A position I wholly agree with.
[00:02:19] <SpeedEvil> Legislation has a shitty patch format.
[00:02:42] <CaptHindsight> obsessive compulsive government minister pyrotechnics disorder
[00:03:06] <CaptHindsight> but that might only apply to explosions
[00:04:12] <SpeedEvil> Pyromania/cleptomania / exhebitionism/voyeurism are specifically called out as 'not actual disabilities'
[00:05:25] <furrywolf> "Collectively, women working full time in California lose approximately $33,650,294,544 each year due to the gender wage gap." looks like they forgot the approximate number of cents.
[00:05:43] <furrywolf> when I see things like that, I immediately dislike the author.
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[00:06:23] <SpeedEvil> yeah. Especially lacking the +-10 billion
[00:06:50] <SpeedEvil> Gender pay gap is a real thing - but it's tricky to say if the law should simply ignore childcare.
[00:07:18] <fenn> just get germany to pay for it
[00:07:34] <t12> just take it out of apples tax haven
[00:07:44] <furrywolf> yes, it's a real thing. An unconstitutional bullshit law written by someone who fails to understand statistics is not the solution.
[00:08:43] <CaptHindsight> flat taxes and flat wages, then nobody can complain.... no wait
[00:09:00] <malcom2073> "Yes it's wrong, but that is not the solution" <- Proper response to 99% of laws ever
[00:09:17] <fenn> a castle and a banquet for every robot! robotocracy 2016 who's with me
[00:09:26] <CaptHindsight> this topic just doesn't make me outraged enough
[00:09:43] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: What can I throw into it to make it more appealing to you?
[00:09:44] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: you must not be an employer.
[00:09:52] <malcom2073> Anti-vaxxers?
[00:10:18] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: toss in some immigration and wars in the middle east
[00:10:25] <furrywolf> as one, I now have to keep bullshit records of gender vs pay, at my expense, and face the possibility of random idiotic lawsuits that require me to prove my innocence or I'm presumed guilty.
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[00:10:33] <malcom2073> Ah excellent. We should shoot all illegals, and nuke the middle east then move in and take the oil
[00:10:42] <malcom2073> Wait now I sound like trump
[00:11:06] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Easy solution: Hire all men, or all women
[00:11:12] * furrywolf decides to only ever hire butch dykes
[00:11:15] <malcom2073> Probably easier to justify that, than wage differences
[00:11:23] <t12> furrywolf: that does not alleviate the problem
[00:11:42] <t12> as many 99.9% male heavy labor kinda unions have discovered
[00:11:57] <fenn> what if the butch dyke identifies as a man, is that covered by the law?
[00:12:08] <furrywolf> lol
[00:12:10] <t12> that would be pretty lol
[00:12:15] <t12> but, shes a man!
[00:12:16] <t12> i mean hes a man
[00:12:23] <t12> by definition not discriminating now?
[00:12:26] <CaptHindsight> just pay them based on how many rocks, sticks, hockey sticks they pile up in an 8 hour period
[00:12:37] <t12> piecework for everyopne
[00:12:39] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: That discriminates against physically handicapped people
[00:13:01] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: they get a handicap
[00:13:03] <t12> i have these weird hakko soldering irons
[00:13:06] <t12> with lockout cards
[00:13:08] <malcom2073> Heh...
[00:13:13] <t12> to keep peicework people from cheating by turning the irons up
[00:13:14] <furrywolf> laws that require people to prove innocence piss me off.
[00:13:17] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: I'm ashamed to admit I actually laughed at that
[00:14:35] <malcom2073> I wonder what will happen once we as a collective society suddenly realize that not all people are equal in allways
[00:14:47] <furrywolf> t12: worst part is, hotter irons used faster make better joints.
[00:15:05] <t12> temp related part failure
[00:15:12] <furrywolf> of course not all people aren't equal. and tweekers don't even count as people.
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[00:15:28] <malcom2073> furrywolf: That's discrimination
[00:15:31] <furrywolf> t12: the part sees the same temp with a hotter iron used for a shorter period of time.
[00:15:54] <furrywolf> it takes time for heat to travel to the part. :)
[00:16:44] <SpeedEvil> I found it was quite possible to solder to batteries, done fast.
[00:17:11] <SpeedEvil> Clean scrupulously and wipe a teeny layer of flux on the battery. Now, tin heavily a soldering iron pointing up, and apply battery to it for 0.5s
[00:17:24] <SpeedEvil> you can immediately touch the soldered layer.
[00:17:57] <SpeedEvil> now, simply solder a flat copper strip to it using a similar technique
[00:18:17] <fenn> what kind of battery was that
[00:18:27] <malcom2073> car battery
[00:18:43] <fenn> lemon with wires jabbed into it
[00:18:49] <furrywolf> lol. I got something with an LED that lights with either polarity applied. the LED has two dies in the same package, the same color, wired anti-parallel. I guess LED dies are cheaper than bridge rectifiers...
[00:19:28] <SpeedEvil> 18650
[00:20:00] <CaptHindsight> how about just tack welding joints and connections with lasers?
[00:20:22] <fenn> usually they are spot welded with nickel plated (?) ribbon
[00:20:27] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: I have been pondering getting a 6W laser to use a soldering iron
[00:20:32] <SpeedEvil> fenn: yes, I know
[00:20:51] <SpeedEvil> fenn: on actualy checking the heat input, I'm not sure teh two methods are not more or less equivalent
[00:21:13] <fenn> i don't know much about it
[00:21:47] <fenn> 18650's are pretty awesome though
[00:22:28] <furrywolf> buy real japanese ones and they're even more awesome.
[00:22:37] <Wolf_> resistance welder made from caps
[00:22:43] <Wolf_> for welding battery tabs
[00:23:02] <fenn> i got a big box of new old stock laptop batteries with sanyo 18650's in them (after peeling off the plastic casing)
[00:23:34] <furrywolf> I've been buying the 3400mah panasonic cells lately... they're pricey but work really well.
[00:24:03] <fenn> i don't really see the point of spending 10x more for 50% more capacity
[00:24:07] <CaptHindsight> t12: soldering irons with lockouts?
[00:24:21] <furrywolf> they're only 3x more, and you get a lot more than 3x the cycle life.
[00:24:29] <furrywolf> and about .0003x the random failures
[00:24:38] <fenn> vs what?
[00:24:39] <CaptHindsight> t12: to prevent unofficial soldering?
[00:24:45] <furrywolf> vs generic chinese cells
[00:25:11] <fenn> oh but my chinese 18650's have over 9000 mAh
[00:25:22] <furrywolf> also, keep in mine most chinese cells have utterly bullshit capacities printed on them.
[00:25:22] <furrywolf> lol
[00:25:25] <furrywolf> s/mine/mind
[00:26:15] <furrywolf> the best luck with chinese cells I've had are the trustfire flames from dx, but I've had a couple of them randomly die, but never a panasonic.
[00:27:57] <furrywolf> I've never had an ebay chinese laptop pack have anywhere near its rated capacity, nor last more than 50 cycles.
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[00:33:21] * furrywolf goes back to working on supercapacitor banks while listening to music. (current random song: A Pale Horse Named Death - Heroin Train)
[00:45:22] <furrywolf> one of my sansuis is developing a rattle... will need to fix that.
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[00:50:08] <CaptHindsight> ultrasonic welder for electrical connections https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rEDo-34tr8
[00:52:16] <furrywolf> hrmm, Blondie released a new album last year? *downloads*
[00:52:43] <furrywolf> or not. only torrent I'm finding is fucking flac.
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[00:55:21] <CaptHindsight> Valen: what's your opinion on getting the surface of a resin/granite machine base flat vs just shimming the linear supports and bearings?
[00:55:40] <Valen> making it flat would be very hard
[00:55:51] <Valen> you aren't going to be able to scrape it or anything like that
[00:56:08] <CaptHindsight> too difficult for the average hobbyist either way?
[00:56:22] <Valen> it depends on what you want as your end result really
[00:56:26] <CaptHindsight> cast on plate glass?
[00:56:27] <Valen> step 1 define flat ;->
[00:56:38] <furrywolf> plate glass is smooth, not flat.
[00:56:52] <Valen> If glass is flat enough for you then sure you won't have any troubles
[00:56:59] <Wolf_> best way might be to float coat the top of the base
[00:57:00] <furrywolf> it's quite flexible, and will take on the shape of whatever's under it. not good for making large things flat.
[00:57:02] <Valen> it's pretty wavy though as a rulr
[00:57:10] <Valen> rule
[00:58:04] <Valen> Our plan was to cast it as close as possible, then put a self levelling layer of non shrink epoxy over it (like a mm thick), then put the rails on, line them up and back fill with a super skinny epoxy
[00:58:14] <CaptHindsight> vs all the awful DIY lathe and mill designs that get discussed
[00:59:02] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/zbGcPxo - on windpower.
[00:59:48] <fenn> does "self leveling" really work though?
[00:59:54] <furrywolf> make three beds at once and lap them together.
[00:59:57] <Valen> The other thing you could do with a layer of filled epoxy is sand it
[01:00:13] <furrywolf> no. self-levelling suffers from surface tension, viscoscity, etc.
[01:00:14] <Valen> should be similar to scraping I presume
[01:00:53] <Valen> furrywolf: the self leveling epoxies are pretty good, most of the error would be rippling as it shrinks during cure
[01:01:59] <Valen> its not going to be perfect in an as cured state, the surface would be rippled in the 10's of mm scale, but over a meter or so it should be "flat"
[01:02:46] <Wolf_> grrr why are all teh damn 25A20 drivers so expensive
[01:02:53] * Wolf_ blames zeeshan|2
[01:03:04] <furrywolf> I like my idea. make three machines at once and lap them together. :P
[01:03:16] <CaptHindsight> I formulate epoxies and resins so I'm not concerned about them, I'm more concerned about reducing the amount of user error
[01:03:42] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: :)
[01:03:51] <fenn> if you could do it by "self leveling" that would take a lot of stupid error out of the process
[01:04:02] <furrywolf> you'll get all three nice and flat.
[01:04:23] <SpeedEvil> self leveling only works when time / viscosity^2 / thickness is below a constant or something like that
[01:05:06] <fenn> it's necessary in all cases to have a way of measuring the actual flatness/straightness of the thing you're building, otherwise it's just wild guesses and superstition
[01:05:29] <CaptHindsight> low enough viscosity vs shrink vs gel time
[01:05:46] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: yeah - something like that
[01:05:46] <CaptHindsight> with a long gel time it will level quite well
[01:05:49] <Valen> well if you are making your own one, and are happy to do multiple layers you want something that'll stick like crazy, not shrink and be amenable to some form of sanding/filing/whatever
[01:06:18] <Valen> yeah we were looking at 1 hour cure stuff as I recall, viscosity was something like motor oil
[01:06:58] <furrywolf> dump a bottle of motor oil upside down. wait an hour. there will still be some left in it. :P
[01:07:02] <SpeedEvil> If you have nonzero shrinkage after the viscosity rises during cure, you need to keep constantish section
[01:07:20] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: that's not how it works.
[01:07:40] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: the flow gets lots easier as the thickness of the flowing film rises
[01:07:51] <Valen> furrywolf: yeah, but the beaker you have poured it into will be pretty level ;-P
[01:08:01] <SpeedEvil> once it's down to a few um, it's utterly dominated by surfaces
[01:08:13] <SpeedEvil> At a few mm, or cm, surfaces are very far away
[01:08:41] * SpeedEvil imagines lathes with mercury ways.
[01:09:03] <Valen> I wonder how well an Epoxy granite surface cast off a surface plate would go
[01:09:18] <Valen> I mean how wrong it'd be
[01:09:22] <SpeedEvil> make very sure to remember the release plate.
[01:09:27] <Valen> heh ;->
[01:09:29] <SpeedEvil> ^compound
[01:09:35] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: except he wants to put on a layer "(like a mm thick)"
[01:09:54] <SpeedEvil> I have questions as to how well it'll work at 1mm.
[01:10:04] <CaptHindsight> teflon surface plate
[01:10:10] <Valen> a mm thick with a viscosity of engine oil and an hour long cure should suffice
[01:10:19] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: bendy surface plates are best.
[01:10:22] <Valen> it'd be distorted at the boundaries of course
[01:10:33] <furrywolf> I've ran vehicles with oil that'd take an hour just to run out of the oil pan if it was cold... :P
[01:10:43] <CaptHindsight> slide sideways to remove
[01:10:53] <furrywolf> 50% 20w50 and 50% Lucas... :P
[01:11:09] <SpeedEvil> Epoxy-granite depends on the loading.
[01:11:13] <fenn> probably want a cast-in air port to separate it from the table
[01:11:18] <SpeedEvil> I wish pressing was a little bit easier.
[01:11:58] <SpeedEvil> Just putting in granite gravel, epoxy, and then pressing so that the granite is all in contact
[01:12:15] <Valen> SpeedEvil: vac bag?
[01:12:20] <Valen> I'd love to apply the methods of optics to something like making a surface plate
[01:12:23] <SpeedEvil> Valen: Err - no.
[01:12:38] <SpeedEvil> Valen: I mean pressing hard enough to fracture the high spots
[01:12:54] <fenn> how hard do you press?
[01:12:55] <Valen> I mean they make things 10's of CM (or 10's of meters) in size accurate to 1/10th of a wavelength of light
[01:12:56] <SpeedEvil> and actually squeeze out the epoxy.
[01:13:13] <SpeedEvil> fenn: at basically the ultimate strength of granite.
[01:13:14] <Valen> if you are pressing hard enough to break the rock, pretty darn hard
[01:13:24] <SpeedEvil> (it's entirely impractical)
[01:13:26] <furrywolf> meh. I'm utterly failing at finding torrents today. suggestions for torrent site with a good selection of music torrents? kickass.to is finding nothing I'm looking for, with the rare exception of finding a torrent... that's old and has no seeds.
[01:13:29] <fenn> this seems impractical for sure
[01:13:42] <Valen> I don't really see the point of it tbh
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[01:14:00] <Valen> to my mind half the advantage of EG is the vibration dampening
[01:14:06] <SpeedEvil> I've also been wondering about vacuum impregnating concrete. I may be wierd.
[01:14:42] <fenn> half the advantage of EG is the lack of stupidly huge infrastructure
[01:14:49] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[01:15:02] <CaptHindsight> dampening and it's easy to ship in precast form
[01:15:15] <SpeedEvil> Something amuses me about an EG setup that is actually more complex to do than just pouring cast iron
[01:16:56] <Valen> you can get straight up granite flats from china to arbitrary flatness for rather cheap sums these days
[01:17:02] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[01:17:06] <furrywolf> for example, I want an album by The Eyeliners... kickass.to has a torrent of it! ... 9 years old and no seeds.
[01:17:11] <CaptHindsight> room temp casting vs portable furnace
[01:17:56] <Valen> furrywolf: tpb?
[01:18:09] <furrywolf> tpb rarely has music I want.
[01:18:41] <CaptHindsight> soviet mp3 sites all gone?
[01:19:23] <furrywolf> dunno. "all" is hard to check. :P
[01:19:24] <fenn> try napster, i hear all the college kids are using it
[01:19:28] <furrywolf> lol
[01:19:35] <Valen> old school, google + "filetype:mp3"
[01:19:52] <furrywolf> I almost got a tour of the napster building... but about two days before the tour they got shut down, cancelled it...
[01:19:52] <SpeedEvil> Home taping is killing music.
[01:20:06] <CaptHindsight> cccmp3
[01:20:17] <Valen> how do they "flatten" granite plates?
[01:20:23] <SpeedEvil> Valen: grinding
[01:20:31] <Wolf_> such deal http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Advanced-Motion-Controls-B25A20FACQ-Brushless-PWM-Servo-Amplifier-Drive-/400339978131?hash=item5d361f4793
[01:20:38] <furrywolf> Valen: 3-way lapping
[01:20:46] <SpeedEvil> Valen: you can take three granite plates, and with a modest amount of abrasive, and moving them in the right patterms, get three flat plates
[01:20:49] <furrywolf> (for really, really flat ones)
[01:21:02] <Valen> I figured as much
[01:21:10] <CaptHindsight> Valen: I use granite surface plates from China since the disti is an hour drive away from me
[01:21:31] <Valen> I reckon that's the ticket for doing accurate accurate EG
[01:21:54] <Valen> Our other thought was to just cast a block of iron into it and using that as the surface
[01:22:03] <furrywolf> grrr, and tpb only gives magnet links now.
[01:22:11] <Valen> what's wrong with that?
[01:22:19] <fenn> i don't think they do the 3 plate method because the slab bends under gravity and is only flat when supported on 3 points
[01:22:21] <CaptHindsight> Valen: the challenge was starting with tools in average garage/basement
[01:22:21] <SpeedEvil> Valen: Annoying if iron and epoxy do not have identical CTEs
[01:22:42] <Valen> They are actually fairly close when we measured ours
[01:23:02] <furrywolf> Valen: I've never gotten a magnet url to work, ever.
[01:23:14] <Valen> wth client are you using?
[01:23:21] <Valen> they always work for me
[01:23:23] <furrywolf> ktorrent at the moment
[01:23:37] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf has dialup internet from 1996, via pluto.
[01:23:38] <CaptHindsight> I hear they work well with deluge
[01:23:46] <Valen> transmission, I've never had a problem with magnet links
[01:23:47] <fenn> i thought kde was evil and installed gigabits of bloat
[01:23:59] <CaptHindsight> it is
[01:24:02] <CaptHindsight> and it does
[01:24:03] <malcom2073> fenn: That's very 2002 of you :P
[01:24:05] <furrywolf> fenn: yes. which is why the systems I care about don't have it. lol
[01:24:05] <fenn> (according to furry)
[01:24:12] <furrywolf> I don't even remember why there's kde stuff on this one.
[01:24:16] <malcom2073> Conveniently, that's also the last time furry updated :P
[01:24:47] <CaptHindsight> not sure what ubuntu 6 used :)
[01:25:52] <Valen> speaking of our CnC machines are now bitching about running 10.04
[01:26:13] <furrywolf> why can you get mindless TV with thousands of seeders, but music is so damn hard to find these days?
[01:26:14] <Valen> is there a newer release of EMC?
[01:26:26] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: youtube
[01:26:35] <Valen> because the music you want is only listened to by old people ;-P
[01:27:26] <malcom2073> Valen: Nope, but LinuxCNC just released a 2.7 version
[01:28:21] <furrywolf> Valen: one of the albums I'm trying to find is some new Flotsam and Jetsam. usually considered thrash or power metal. not typical old people music...
[01:28:30] <CaptHindsight> would a DIY EG Howto end up making a lathe or mill any better than what people end up with when they just use T-slot?
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[01:29:15] <Valen> malcom2073: that an "unstable" even/odd release thing?
[01:29:46] <Valen> I'd like one, specifically about the resins used, suppliers for it, and equivalents
[01:29:47] <malcom2073> Don't know how they do that
[01:29:50] <CaptHindsight> maybe just precast machine bases with linear bearings pre-installed
[01:30:04] <Valen> also I'd like to see how it actually performed in the end
[01:30:06] <furrywolf> I have pretty wide tastes in music. I don't only like old stuff, despite what a lot of people claim. :P
[01:30:11] <fenn> CaptHindsight: even if it were as inaccurate as the t-slot, it would at least be able to take a decent sized cut without chattering to death
[01:30:27] <Valen> most build reports finish with a photo of the machine before it has actually cut anything
[01:30:46] <Valen> a "lessons learned" and "stuff I'd do to improve it" would be very great
[01:31:03] <furrywolf> "next time, I'd buy a tormach" :P
[01:31:14] <fenn> i'd like to see some quantitative measurements of stiffness, accuracy, damping, mass
[01:31:26] <Valen> +1
[01:31:37] <furrywolf> you do realize most people wouldn't have the tools nor skills to measure that, right?
[01:31:59] <fenn> stiffness is easy to measure
[01:32:00] <Valen> you don't actually need to measure most of those, just compare it to a known quantity
[01:32:08] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: i've wondered about EG + air bearing
[01:32:22] <Valen> we have some for thermal expansion and stiffness for our EG mix
[01:32:37] <Valen> we also added some carbon fibre to it, that made a difference ;->
[01:32:37] <CaptHindsight> I can formulate epoxies and urethanes over a wide range of specs, tensile strength, flex mod, hardness, elongation before break, etc etc to tune it for the aggregate and amount of dampening
[01:32:40] <furrywolf> Valen: subjective measurements suck. for example, I swear my $1000 speaker wires result in much better damping than my $50 monster cable speaker wires!
[01:32:47] <furrywolf> </audiophool>
[01:33:10] <Valen> furrywolf: not subjective, but comparative. IE we measured the stiffness with a dialguage on a bench
[01:33:12] <fenn> furrywolf don't forget the cable plinths for "ground isolation"
[01:33:29] <CaptHindsight> I only use copper pipe for speaker connections :)
[01:33:33] <furrywolf> Valen: comparatively measuring damping is hard. mass is easy, at least. :P
[01:33:43] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Do you fill them with magic smoke?
[01:33:49] <Valen> obviously its not going to be accurate enough for an absolute measurement, you need lasers and crap for that
[01:33:53] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: my speakers are wired with a mix of lamp cord and trailer wire. :P
[01:34:22] <Valen> but by comparing our 50x50mm bar of EG with a 50x50 steel bar back to back we get useful data
[01:34:37] <fenn> attach a microphone to it, drop a hammer of known mass from a known distance onto the machine
[01:34:59] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: oh no, nitrogen, since it's inert and so it doesn't effect the sound
[01:35:01] <fenn> attach said microphone to a block of cast iron, repeat
[01:35:02] * furrywolf watches it crack and unbelivable loud swearing result
[01:35:15] <Valen> I was thinking you'd need an accelerometer for that fenn?
[01:35:26] <fenn> that's basically what a microphone is
[01:35:26] <malcom2073> Hehe
[01:35:29] <furrywolf> "451 Unavailable For Legal Reasons" lol
[01:37:00] <Valen> yeah, but its harder to attach the diafram of a mic to your chunk of cast iron than an acceleromiter ;-P
[01:37:08] <SpeedEvil> The note tells you a hell of a lot
[01:37:17] <SpeedEvil> Specific stiffness / density or something
[01:37:23] <Valen> CaptHindsight: we also want to do EG + air bearings, but DIY air bearings don't seem to be a thing
[01:37:27] <furrywolf> I love the sound of Proto wrenches. :P
[01:37:49] <SpeedEvil> and decay tells you (for identically supported identical shapes) about damping
[01:38:31] <SpeedEvil> Valen: :)
[01:39:01] <SpeedEvil> Valen: I have in my sillier moments considered nice thick thermowood processed oak beams, with a nice coating of beeswax, as an air bearing surface.
[01:39:32] <Wolf_> I’m guessing DC201E25A20N is pretty much useless for lcnc
[01:39:45] <Valen> the surface is the easy part, its the bearing itself that seems hard
[01:39:53] <SpeedEvil> Valen: yeah
[01:40:15] <SpeedEvil> Valen: and the air delivery to them
[01:40:43] <fenn> how about sintered nylon
[01:40:52] <Valen> I believe that EDM graphite will do the job, but its hard to come by in australia
[01:40:56] <fenn> uh not nylon, something more stable than nylon
[01:41:06] <Valen> we tried sand but the pore size is too large
[01:41:35] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-OkMRjxdX0 Damper & Mounting Testing for air bearings
[01:41:55] <fenn> brass powder is a cheap paint ingredient, not sure what particle sizes it comes in
[01:42:30] <CaptHindsight> most often few micron to <100um
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[01:45:37] <Valen> http://mechanosynthesis.mit.edu/journals/001_ahslocum_pe_03_axtrusion.pdf is how I want to do stuff
[01:45:48] <Valen> with epoxy granite rather than straight granite perhaps
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[01:50:06] <fenn> if particle size doesn't matter too much then it might be a simple process of belt sanding $polymer and settling it out in a water/alcohol or water/sugar solution of appropriate density
[01:50:29] <fenn> then drying and sintering into bearing blocks
[01:51:08] <fenn> i'm not sure what particle size order of magnitude we're shooting for here
[01:51:13] <Valen> I think the pore size matters a whole bunch
[01:51:26] <Valen> really friggin tiny is the ideal ;->
[01:51:36] <fenn> that means nothing to me
[01:52:48] <CaptHindsight> the gap in air bearings are 15-25um
[01:53:46] <Valen> I believe pore sizes in the microns range is whats used in the graphite bearings
[01:54:21] <CaptHindsight> an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2B12U6NtQw Planar XY Air Bearing Stage
[01:55:09] <fenn> brass powder $13/lb on ebay is 325 mesh or < 44 micron
[01:55:13] <CaptHindsight> ^^ even tighter 5-15um
[01:56:51] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: the averaging is nice too
[01:58:14] <CaptHindsight> if you don't wait too long you can also pour EG with different types of epoxy
[01:58:49] <CaptHindsight> say something slightly more flexible in the center and harder with less flex at the surface
[01:59:46] <CaptHindsight> it will bond to itself well
[02:01:08] <CaptHindsight> from what I've seen the chemistry side hasn't been too well explored
[02:01:19] <fenn> is that to get around thermal expansion effects during curing?
[02:01:24] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: yeah - it's like that for everything
[02:01:43] <CaptHindsight> it's mostly been generic "epoxy" and different aggregates
[02:01:52] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: everyone explores the obvious routes which can be gotten off the shelf and used according to the manufacturers recommendations.
[02:02:18] <fenn> well chemistry is illegal so you have to
[02:02:24] <CaptHindsight> hehe
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[02:02:28] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: bathroom silicone caulk and kevlar composite.
[02:03:02] <fenn> "it is a federal crime to use this product in a manner except as described"
[02:03:14] <CaptHindsight> I need a license to order some of the initiators
[02:03:14] <fenn> something like that
[02:03:27] <CaptHindsight> and it comes in a freezer truck
[02:03:51] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: Is there a reason why 'photoinitiator for polyester/styrene systems' would not work with a random off-the-shelf 'fibreglass' resin?
[02:04:56] <CaptHindsight> depends on what the resin is... fiberglass resin vs gel coat vs vinyl ester
[02:05:11] <SpeedEvil> yeah - assuming regular, not gel coat or vinyl
[02:05:33] <CaptHindsight> most labeled "fiberglass resin" is unsaturated polyester
[02:05:35] <SpeedEvil> i'm wondering about a large drum of cheap resin, and several kilos of photoinitiator from alibaba
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[02:06:45] <CaptHindsight> it's the details since you can end up with something that doesn't work with photoinitiators
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[02:07:27] <SpeedEvil> i guess small quantities first, and try it, can't hurt.
[02:07:54] <SpeedEvil> Modulo Carcinogenicity or hulkgenicity.
[02:08:23] <CaptHindsight> it's the styrene
[02:08:53] <SpeedEvil> I've come to really like supplied air.
[02:09:02] <CaptHindsight> ammonium persulfate (circuit board etch) and polyester resin go boom when heated >40C
[02:09:49] <SpeedEvil> Actual explosions, or simply runaway polymerisation?
[02:10:06] <CaptHindsight> depends on the ratios :)
[02:10:47] <CaptHindsight> the runaway also makes for good Halloween smoke
[02:11:18] <fenn> nothing like a few good explosions to scare the kids
[02:11:31] <CaptHindsight> kids love ammonia
[02:11:33] <furrywolf> there's much cheaper ways to make explosions.
[02:12:43] <CaptHindsight> the vinyl ester kits come with MEKP
[02:13:13] <CaptHindsight> as do the fiberglass resin kits at Home Depot
[02:13:39] <SpeedEvil> It's not one of the real nasties. But it's quite nasty enough
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[02:13:53] <fenn> smells like nerve damage
[02:14:11] <CaptHindsight> Lowes made me show ID and scanned it
[02:14:21] <furrywolf> lol
[02:14:32] <furrywolf> since when did hardware stores care what they sold?
[02:14:38] <CaptHindsight> not the case at Home Depot or Menards
[02:14:58] <CaptHindsight> Lowes must have some new paranoid management
[02:17:03] <furrywolf> next time, go "duuuude, you ever *twitch* huff this stuff... it gets you *pick at face* so fucking high it's *twitch* like totally awesome..."
[02:17:33] <CaptHindsight> not much left there for solvents
[02:17:41] <CaptHindsight> it getting to be like China
[02:17:57] * furrywolf has no idea what solvents are like in china
[02:18:28] <CaptHindsight> went to get gallon of MEK and they only had quarts of MEK substitute
[02:18:49] <CaptHindsight> no solvents sold at hardware stores in China
[02:19:23] <CaptHindsight> it's even hard to find IPA at pharmacies there
[02:19:30] <furrywolf> ... MEK substitute? wtf?
[02:19:46] <CaptHindsight> yeah, check Home depot next trip
[02:19:54] <furrywolf> there's no home depot here.
[02:20:23] <CaptHindsight> i think lacquer thinner is only in quarts now there
[02:20:24] <fenn> what's with no solvents in china?
[02:20:55] <fenn> don't they dump barrels of stuff into the river?
[02:21:15] <CaptHindsight> Acetone is ok since congress has designated it exempt from being a high vapor pressure solvent
[02:21:19] <furrywolf> they don't want you interfering with the state monopoly on polluting.
[02:21:42] <CaptHindsight> fenn: yes, but they make it hard for the average person to buy and ship any liquids
[02:22:28] <CaptHindsight> i can easily order drums of it for export but it's difficult to transport there in any volume
[02:23:06] <CaptHindsight> it requires a certificate from the manufacturer for shipping
[02:23:31] <CaptHindsight> so from warehouse to one locations is ok, but then it's stuck there
[02:23:51] <t12> the solvent think is way annoying
[02:23:51] <CaptHindsight> the certificate is no good from point B to C
[02:24:00] <fenn> huh so venting to the atmosphere is ok then?
[02:24:59] <fenn> i don't even understand how it works in america
[02:25:02] <CaptHindsight> for trade shows I ship it from the US direct to the show, even though it started out in China
[02:25:36] <CaptHindsight> I can't take it from one city to the next by bus or train
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[02:26:31] <CaptHindsight> t12: any liquid other than water (or maybe tea, soda etc)
[02:27:07] <CaptHindsight> they never took my scotch however
[02:27:25] <fenn> just make sure to add alcohol to all of your epoxies
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[02:27:52] <t12> hard candy
[02:28:21] <CaptHindsight> we had to jump through all sorts of hoops with their EPA equivalent
[02:29:11] <CaptHindsight> but we were a new company, they only crack down on older co's when they decide to investigate or they don't like you
[02:29:54] <t12> whats the rationale
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[02:31:15] * furrywolf still doesn't see how you can make a MEK substitute
[02:31:27] <furrywolf> that sounds like tofu burgers... it may claim to be a substitute, but it's not.
[02:31:34] <CaptHindsight> on liquids it's supposedly about terrorism/bombings, on pollution it seems that if you're new you have to have controls on hazardous waste
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[02:32:45] <CaptHindsight> they are starting with that and then now slowly putting pressure on big polluters
[02:33:15] <CaptHindsight> where the fines are stiffer than the money saved by just polluting
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[02:33:39] <furrywolf> googling says the substitute is ethyl acetate, a chemical I'm not familiar with.
[02:34:22] <Valen> I'm waiting for some baddie to hijack a petrol tanker, add a firefighting pump and go to town through a city
[02:34:38] <furrywolf> googling also suggests it is, as I suspected, in absolutely no way a substitute.
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[02:36:01] <fenn> ethyl acetate is what's in nail polish remover
[02:36:08] <CaptHindsight> home depot is almost down to just denatured alcohol, and odorless mineral spirits
[02:36:34] <Valen> nail polish remover is acetone last I checked?
[02:36:48] <furrywolf> fenn: only nail polish remover I've seen (I've never painted my nails, so I haven't seen much) was acetone.
[02:36:53] <CaptHindsight> part of the mix
[02:36:54] <fenn> only a small percentage acetone
[02:37:04] <CaptHindsight> yeah they are pulling it out
[02:37:25] <fenn> the cynical side of me thinks they're just trying to save money
[02:37:26] <anomynous_> acetone also works for washing hands
[02:37:27] <anomynous_> ;D
[02:37:36] <Valen> I got wifey a liter of it to do her nails with because it was $2 rather than $15 for 100ml
[02:37:43] <Valen> seems to work
[02:37:55] <CaptHindsight> it's the push for only low vapor pressure solvents
[02:37:58] <furrywolf> I've never been into body decoration... I'm not justpink. lol
[02:38:21] <fenn> isn't the point of a solvent that it evaporates quickly?
[02:38:23] <CaptHindsight> acetone was given a pass
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[02:40:26] <CaptHindsight> the low VOC amendments to the clean air act
[02:40:45] <furrywolf> good thing I'm not far from oregon.
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[02:41:56] <furrywolf> next time I'm up there, I also need to pick up a trunk full of brake cleaner... the california low-voc crap is crap.
[02:42:09] <CaptHindsight> fenn: depends on the use, for cleaning it's nice to have a solvent that doesn't evaporate, for paint I want it to dry quickly
[02:43:02] <Contract_Pilot> Back, no luck at the junk store for hookup wire
[02:43:06] <CaptHindsight> I have to check the MSDS for CA brake cleaner now
[02:43:09] <tjtr33> i posted a SHOPTASK 1720XMTC on forum, free, in Chicagoland. no takers, anyone here want it?
[02:43:31] <Contract_Pilot> have to try and support locals befor i order online
[02:43:32] <CaptHindsight> can't imagine what it supposed to be
[02:43:42] <tjtr33> also a 6dof robot w servos & abso encoders
[02:43:58] <furrywolf> tjtr33: I already have one. does free include free shipping? :P
[02:44:07] <tjtr33> nope
[02:44:17] <tjtr33> yours is older i think
[02:44:43] <tjtr33> this one is stepper ready
[02:45:18] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: it's completely worthless...
[02:46:30] <tjtr33> anyone interested follow the email addy in the forum.
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[02:47:28] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33 is leaving :(
[02:47:38] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: I found a trick the other day... buy "electric motor cleaner FOR USE ON ENERGIZED EQUIPMENT ONLY". turns out there's some exemption if it's only for use on energized equipment, so they can use all those nice non-conductive non-flammable chlorinated solvents...
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[02:48:03] <CaptHindsight> heh, is it under $10 a can?
[02:48:09] <furrywolf> nope
[02:48:09] <Contract_Pilot> Unually the junk store has 19" rack mount cases nope my luck all out.
[02:48:11] <furrywolf> lol
[02:48:23] * furrywolf has no idea what forum tjtr33 posted on
[02:48:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/54-user-exchange/29730-chicago-puma-6dof-robot-w-servoa-absoencodersfree
[02:49:12] <CaptHindsight> "took encoders to Stewarts workshop, no one could figger it out.
[02:49:13] <CaptHindsight> BUT it was suggested ot just replace these with simpler encoder"
[02:49:34] <MacGalempsy> good evening
[02:49:48] <fenn> brake cleaner is methanol
[02:50:57] <furrywolf> if transport from chicago wasn't so impractical, I'd definitely get that.
[02:51:34] <fenn> tjtr33 is tom powderly i think
[02:53:38] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: you can keep it at my place :)
[02:54:30] <furrywolf> why don't you go get it, then? lol
[02:54:35] <ssi> hi
[02:55:34] <CaptHindsight> I've already been blessed by his house cleaning sale
[02:56:01] <furrywolf> someone just drove an RV into one of my trees... I know who, and I'm not going to go help them. one of the useless drunks down the road. they're fine, the RV is fine, the tree is fine... they can walk home and get help.
[02:56:26] <CaptHindsight> never a dull moment
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[03:22:35] <PetefromTn_> well....it worked!
[03:24:42] <furrywolf> do we want to know what it is?
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[03:25:20] <PetefromTn_> I dunno do ya?
[03:25:26] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: you around?
[03:25:34] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/IIsgB
[03:25:49] <CaptHindsight> turning on the mill?
[03:25:49] <PetefromTn_> This is my FIRST attempt at using my VMC as a CNC lathe...
[03:25:53] <PetefromTn_> yup
[03:26:05] <PetefromTn_> it was a MAJOR Pain in the azz
[03:26:29] <PetefromTn_> I tried to hand code it but it is so foreign to me to work that way I just finished it manually LOL
[03:26:55] <furrywolf> needs threads somewhere. :P
[03:27:26] <PetefromTn_> but basically that is a heat sink for a 50mm V band flange ring for the turbo wastegates we are tig welding at work
[03:27:39] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: are you going to add live tooling now? :)
[03:27:41] <PetefromTn_> you can see the factory flange on the end there
[03:27:45] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/bsmill01.jpg my mill came with a 3-jaw chuck on the spindle, care of the previous owner needing a lathe too. :)
[03:27:50] <PetefromTn_> Hell I would LOVE to LOL
[03:28:12] <PetefromTn_> it would sure have been easier if I had a 3 jaw chuck in there
[03:28:26] <PetefromTn_> I had to machine away the boss that I held it with using the mill vertically
[03:28:42] <PetefromTn_> then I held that stub in the ER32 collet and turned the shape
[03:29:02] <PetefromTn_> I will say one thing for my machine tho
[03:29:12] <PetefromTn_> even down around 300 RPM it has some BALLS
[03:29:12] <CaptHindsight> make a turret mill
[03:29:47] <PetefromTn_> Honestly if I could figure out how to make my CAM output code for the vertical lathe setup it actually worked quite well
[03:32:34] <furrywolf> I like the mechanical gearbox on my mill... lowest is 50rpm. it'll snap anything without slowing down.
[03:32:57] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[03:32:57] <PetefromTn_> well hopefully this little baby will allow me to Tig weld the 50MM flanges on without warping the piss out of them LOL
[03:33:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah I like a good gear head but it can be SCARY too LOL
[03:33:17] <furrywolf> I'm still looking for a tig welder... haven't found one yet.
[03:33:43] <PetefromTn_> I ran a rather large manual lathe for a good while at my last shop
[03:33:55] <PetefromTn_> it was a big gear head machine with like 15HP spindle
[03:34:07] <PetefromTn_> in lower gears that thing was UNSTOPPABLE
[03:34:21] <furrywolf> mine does 50-1800... it's scary at both ends. at the low end it's scary because you know it won't even flinch at ruining things... and at the high end when you go to spin it up, all the lights dim and everything buzzes as it does the machinery-spinning-up noise for 5+ seconds...
[03:34:23] <PetefromTn_> I once was drilling a large diameter hole in some stainless barstock
[03:34:45] <PetefromTn_> using like a 1.5 inch drill bit
[03:35:04] <PetefromTn_> going really slow and adding prodigous amounts of coolant
[03:35:15] <PetefromTn_> I kept retracting and clearing chips
[03:35:32] <PetefromTn_> then one of the other guys walks up and asks me a question
[03:35:39] <PetefromTn_> while I am advancing the cutter
[03:35:48] <PetefromTn_> I hear this little click noise
[03:36:03] <PetefromTn_> and notice that the drill is not spinning anymore LOL
[03:36:12] <PetefromTn_> snapped it like a toothpick
[03:36:33] <PetefromTn_> I had a HUGE amount of respect for the power of that machine after that
[03:37:08] <ssi> PetefromTn_: :D
[03:37:08] <CaptHindsight> http://i.imgur.com/YkWKXbb.webm whaddayah call this tool?
[03:37:21] <Contract_Pilot> I have an old scsi cable 5 stands of 24awg I think once i get my case will mock it up for mo efficent wiring.
[03:37:23] <PetefromTn_> Hey SSI
[03:37:23] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I'm designing some parts for a 737 :P
[03:37:32] <Contract_Pilot> sup SSI
[03:37:34] <PetefromTn_> your're crazy man...
[03:37:39] <ssi> it's similar to the stuff you're doing
[03:37:41] <ssi> weldments
[03:37:56] <ssi> gonna be flanges made, and these compression band fittings, and then weldments made up with them
[03:38:02] <ssi> it's parts for aux fuel tanks for a 737
[03:38:16] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/1.jpg
[03:38:22] <PetefromTn_> damn
[03:38:23] <Contract_Pilot> My birdy!
[03:38:29] <ssi> nice
[03:38:30] <PetefromTn_> I hope you are getting paid WELL
[03:38:38] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: that's what mine is like at 50rpm... you have a motor a foot around and 1.5 feet long, geared down to less than one rotation per second... something goes wrong, and the lights don't even flicker.
[03:38:39] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I'm getting paid moderately
[03:38:45] <ssi> but my name's not going on it so there's no liability :)
[03:38:58] <PetefromTn_> that is miraculous
[03:39:11] <ssi> the engineering's already done by someone else, I'm just doing the solidworks cad work, and getting some models 3d printed for fitment
[03:39:29] <ssi> I've got hand-drawn prints from engineering
[03:39:29] <PetefromTn_> sweet
[03:40:05] <ssi> Contract_Pilot: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQr1TzzUcAAX2PT.jpg:large
[03:40:11] <ssi> two of my four :P
[03:40:11] <PetefromTn_> I must say that after working with my CNC mill vertically as a lathe I cannot freaking wait to be able to use my CNC lathe!!
[03:40:26] <PetefromTn_> CNC lathe
[03:40:57] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight That's creepy man ;)
[03:40:58] <furrywolf> bbl
[03:41:02] <Contract_Pilot> four?
[03:41:02] <PetefromTn_> Gn8
[03:41:08] <ssi> Contract_Pilot: yeah :P
[03:41:28] <ssi> https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12043024_10100786356532712_3563634788597680477_n.jpg?oh=12d8db3b413687f389334980ef9bbb88&oe=56D109D0
[03:41:28] <Contract_Pilot> you an A&P-IA
[03:41:32] <ssi> the unfinished pitts is mine
[03:41:39] <ssi> no, not yet
[03:41:46] <ssi> I'm planning on taking my A&P tests next month
[03:41:53] <ssi> already have the FSDO signoff
[03:42:26] <ssi> https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/v/t1.0-9/247629_10100172352152412_325887569_n.jpg?oh=47fee3db287fef88110fdb785d940ce8&oe=56D002B3
[03:42:29] <ssi> there's number four
[03:42:50] <ssi> and I might soon have a half interest in this one
[03:42:51] <ssi> https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11140365_10100667604876982_7683415325540632820_n.jpg?oh=c286079315a867194f178904ca0ec20b&oe=5685AB2E
[03:43:40] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9gWEdzIEAAs-BB.jpg:large
[03:44:41] <Contract_Pilot> Cool
[03:45:19] <Contract_Pilot> I am violating the doc's rules having a 6 pack need it.
[03:45:38] <Contract_Pilot> every day the post man comes my projects keep growing.
[03:46:36] <Contract_Pilot> what order of the 3 that arrived was correct? http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Motors-Drivers-Walmart-1024x576.jpg
[03:47:11] <ssi> I'm looking forward to trying these new servo drives
[03:47:33] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I may have a way to make some progress on my vmc
[03:47:39] <Contract_Pilot> I may switch plans and go Servo's on my G0704
[03:48:22] <Contract_Pilot> But with the mistake i have a 425oz nema 23 less work
[03:49:38] <PetefromTn_> ssi oh yeah...
[03:49:39] <Contract_Pilot> was going to use a 495oz nema 34 but they sent me a 368oz nema24
[03:50:30] <Contract_Pilot> 78oz Nema23 ended up a 425oz nema 23 for 8.00
[03:50:35] <Contract_Pilot> with driver
[03:50:55] <PetefromTn_> ssi what servo drives?
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[03:53:00] <Wolf_> https://github.com/rene-dev/stmbl/
[03:53:03] <ssi> yeah that one
[03:53:15] <ssi> ^5 Wolf_
[03:53:28] <PetefromTn_> what is it?
[03:54:18] <ssi> it's a microcontroller servo drive
[03:54:34] <PetefromTn_> 320v and 1kw not bad..
[03:54:43] <ssi> but what's notable about it is it's set up to talk to linuxcnc over smartserial (or at least it will be when I get into helping write some of the software)
[03:54:52] <PetefromTn_> I think I have settled on the servos and drives for my lathe finally
[03:55:08] <ssi> and it doesn't need hall feedback, it does phase angle detection, and then uses encoder feedback for commutation
[03:55:18] <ssi> so that'll work with my fanuc drives
[03:55:29] <PetefromTn_> sweet so it will solve your problems I gues then hopefully
[03:55:32] <ssi> I hope so
[03:55:41] <ssi> plus it's an open source drive, so I can build as many as I want :P
[03:55:52] <PetefromTn_> how much?
[03:55:54] <ssi> should be able to get them down around sixty bucks a piece in materials
[03:55:57] <Wolf_> and mod it to work better
[03:56:02] <PetefromTn_> shit
[03:56:02] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: that spun piece looks good.
[03:56:05] <PetefromTn_> thats cheap
[03:56:08] <ssi> yeah
[03:56:10] <PetefromTn_> Thanks Mac
[03:56:27] <PetefromTn_> Its my first verical lathe in the mill attempt ;)
[03:56:33] <ssi> and what I really want to see is a setup with a 7i74 8x smartserial board,
[03:56:34] <MacGalempsy> If you need help manually programming the gcode, I may be able to help.
[03:56:44] <Wolf_> great seeing that I can’t find a damn driver less then $130 for my motors I have here
[03:56:45] <ssi> and N of these drives, with everything going over smartserial
[03:56:48] <PetefromTn_> 7i74?
[03:57:00] <ssi> 7i74 is 8x smartserial
[03:57:13] <PetefromTn_> 8x?
[03:57:27] <ssi> the drive has encoder counters on it because it uses the encoder for velocity feedback and commutation angle
[03:57:28] <MacGalempsy> just think of all the 7i84 you could run on that
[03:57:33] <ssi> jesus pete, it's eight smartserial ports
[03:57:43] <ssi> how much more clear can I make it :)
[03:57:45] <PetefromTn_> SORRY
[03:58:09] <MacGalempsy> what on earth does anyone need that many i/o?
[03:58:13] <PetefromTn_> you know most of this shit is beyond me man....
[03:58:17] <MacGalempsy> you making a martian lander?
[03:58:50] <PetefromTn_> I think I am going with the DMM servo motors and drives for the CNC lathe
[03:59:03] <PetefromTn_> about $565 an axis
[03:59:06] <PetefromTn_> 750 watt
[03:59:16] <PetefromTn_> with cables and everything
[03:59:51] <PetefromTn_> a lot like the Teco's I used on the Cinci that have been working so well for me
[03:59:57] <PetefromTn_> only smaller
[04:00:54] <ssi> MacGalempsy: what?
[04:01:01] <PetefromTn_> how long will it take you to build one?
[04:01:02] <ssi> PetefromTn_: that's not bad
[04:01:09] <ssi> I dunno, shouldn't take too long
[04:01:20] <ssi> the guy's mailing me boards tomorrow
[04:01:24] <PetefromTn_> no I think it is a fair price for an axis
[04:01:26] <ssi> I have ten coming, three of them go to Wolf_
[04:01:31] <MacGalempsy> ssi: I figured 8 smart serials means running 8 daughter cards
[04:01:48] <ssi> MacGalempsy: yeah but that doesn't necessarily mean 8 48io breakouts
[04:01:49] <PetefromTn_> Oh your buddy wolf gets em but not your old pal pete Huh ;)
[04:02:03] <ssi> these servo drives speak smartserial, so each one will use a port
[04:02:07] <MacGalempsy> oh, what is is there?
[04:02:12] <MacGalempsy> ok
[04:02:18] <ssi> PetefromTn_: you want to build one? you're welcome to a board
[04:02:23] <MacGalempsy> that sounds pretty handy
[04:02:39] <PetefromTn_> I am not much for building electronics man unfortunately
[04:02:41] <Wolf_> I just opened up the bom in eagle, cause the crap is so f’ked up altium was pissing me off
[04:02:42] <ssi> MacGalempsy: I'm aiming to have the servo drive count the encoder (cause it needs to anyway), and then just report it back over sserial
[04:02:56] <ssi> so I don't need to buffer and split, and to keep the wiring SUPER tidy
[04:03:01] <PetefromTn_> if I could find a pair of suitably matched motors in 750 watt I could run with them I would be interested
[04:03:06] <MacGalempsy> yeah, that should help on high encoder counts, right?
[04:03:09] <ssi> cause then all motor cables go directly to the drive, and then just one ethernet cable back to the 7i74
[04:03:23] <ssi> MacGalempsy: not so much worried about the counts as just the wiring hassle
[04:03:24] <MacGalempsy> can you index with 50000 counts that way?
[04:03:33] <ssi> what, counting it in hardware?
[04:03:43] <ssi> you can count damn near anything doing it on fpga
[04:03:46] <PetefromTn_> probably wouldn't work with my 5i25/7i77 anyways
[04:04:01] <MacGalempsy> well, I was told that my 50000/rotation was too much to read the index pulse
[04:04:14] <ssi> MacGalempsy: did pcw tell you that?
[04:04:23] <MacGalempsy> pretty much
[04:04:31] <MacGalempsy> if I recall correctly
[04:04:37] <ssi> I don't see why high count would affect the index pulse
[04:04:42] <ssi> index is still once per rev
[04:04:54] <MacGalempsy> if it catches it
[04:05:12] <Wolf_> thats what I was just thinking, I think my encoders have a separate index wire
[04:05:17] <ssi> indeed
[04:05:40] <MacGalempsy> mine has a seperate index wire
[04:06:03] <MacGalempsy> but watching them through halscope, I wasnt able to see the index pulse
[04:06:22] <ssi> you were probably just zoomed too far in
[04:06:42] <ssi> the A/B lines will just look like a solid wall if you're zoomed out far enough to see the Z
[04:06:51] <MacGalempsy> i dont think so because when I did the same setup with the spindle index, it worked fine
[04:06:55] <PetefromTn_> would you have to solder all of those components on there?
[04:07:20] <Wolf_> solder paste and reflow ftw
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[04:07:39] <PetefromTn_> don't know how to do that unfortunately
[04:07:46] <PetefromTn_> probably don't own the equipment
[04:08:42] <Wolf_> druggy needle, solder paste, hot plate/reflow oven/hotair rework station/$20 scrapbooking embossing gun
[04:08:48] <Wolf_> tweezers
[04:12:13] <ssi> PetefromTn_: don't worry, if these work out I'm sure you'll end up with some
[04:12:29] <PetefromTn_> hehe how you figure LOL
[04:12:54] <ssi> heh
[04:13:04] <PetefromTn_> I mean I can trade out some shit LOL but as far as reflowing my own flavor it aint gonna happen
[04:13:13] <Wolf_> gotta sell the first run ones to someone after we revise the boards
[04:13:22] <Wolf_> :P
[04:13:53] <PetefromTn_> Oh so I am your guinea pig :D
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[04:14:49] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mitsubishi-AC-Servo-Motor-HF-KE73KW1-S100-750-WATT-/381352552064?hash=item58ca622680 a pair of these bad boys and two of your home brew drives and I'd be in bidness
[04:15:07] <PetefromTn_> for less than it would cost me for ONE axis from DMM
[04:15:12] <PetefromTn_> HHHhmmmmmmmmmmm
[04:15:27] <PetefromTn_> will they work with the 7i77 tho?
[04:16:03] <PetefromTn_> MacGalempsy so have you done a bunch of vertical lathe in the mill programming?
[04:16:51] <MacGalempsy> no. but basic gcode should be easy to program
[04:17:08] <MacGalempsy> im not saying threads, but it looks pretty basic
[04:17:15] <PetefromTn_> I really need to get some of those long thin lathe inserts
[04:17:31] <PetefromTn_> well yeah I kinda hand coded most of it myself
[04:17:41] <PetefromTn_> would have been nice to be able to use CAM for it
[04:18:49] <PetefromTn_> can you just switch to the G18 and program it like a lathe in linuxCNC?
[04:18:57] <MacGalempsy> overall, it sounds dangerous
[04:19:02] <PetefromTn_> or G19 or whatever
[04:19:09] <PetefromTn_> what does?
[04:19:15] <MacGalempsy> using the mill as a lathe
[04:19:20] <PetefromTn_> naah
[04:19:24] <PetefromTn_> its not too bad really
[04:19:37] <PetefromTn_> you are not going to do long workpieces
[04:20:07] <PetefromTn_> and other than having to think in a different way about which way things move its pretty easy
[04:21:24] <MacGalempsy> any fear about the spindle getting bent?
[04:22:17] <PetefromTn_> bent?
[04:22:48] <PetefromTn_> what time is it in Hawaii right now?
[04:23:24] <MacGalempsy> it seems the forces are different on a lathe spindle
[04:23:48] <PetefromTn_> well you are probably not going to go hog wild with this setup
[04:24:02] <PetefromTn_> but honestly I was taking .04 passes without too much drama
[04:25:51] <MacGalempsy> anyone want to guess what the mold to make Hot Sauce caps cost?
[04:26:08] <PetefromTn_> molds can be very expensive
[04:26:15] <MacGalempsy> 32 caps, with inside threads, 5 second injection cycle
[04:26:26] <MacGalempsy> $100k
[04:26:30] <PetefromTn_> 25k?
[04:26:36] <PetefromTn_> oh okay
[04:26:39] <PetefromTn_> MORE
[04:26:41] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[04:26:46] <PetefromTn_> did you machine it?
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[04:28:50] <MacGalempsy> no I wish
[04:29:01] <MacGalempsy> it was the instructor of our cnc class
[04:29:12] <MacGalempsy> one of the jobs he worked on, said it took a while
[04:29:40] <PetefromTn_> The guy I bought my mill from make some intricate molds. He told me about how much a simple one can cost I almost fell on the floor LOL
[04:29:59] <MacGalempsy> yeah! and I want to do the Land Cruiser knobs
[04:30:06] <PetefromTn_> there is a lot to know about it tho
[04:30:20] <MacGalempsy> he said a mold for a ford grill emblem was $5k
[04:30:21] <bobo> hay Pete ,thanks for taking the # of serial port hit for me . I was wondering what that was too
[04:30:25] <PetefromTn_> venting, sprue channels etc.
[04:30:53] <PetefromTn_> Oh no worries man I know I am an tech illiterate LOL
[04:31:16] <McBride36> how many people in here use homemade cnc machines?
[04:31:32] <McBride36> and if so, what control board do they/you use
[04:31:40] <PetefromTn_> half the time I am on here listening to these guys talk I bounce between scratching my head and doing google searches for terminology LOL
[04:31:52] <PetefromTn_> define homemade...
[04:32:02] <MacGalempsy> hehe. anyone interested in doing a diy edm?
[04:32:05] <McBride36> PetefromTn_, really the second bit is more important
[04:32:16] <McBride36> just wanna know options of control boards
[04:32:39] <PetefromTn_> in my not so humble view there is only one option....MESANET! LOL
[04:32:58] <bobo> Pete well don't back up up real fast cause i'am in the same line
[04:33:17] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[04:33:18] <MacGalempsy> if PNCCONF worked perfect, it would awesome for us less tech junkies
[04:33:34] <Wolf_> unless its stupid simple with steppers....
[04:34:00] <PetefromTn_> If I can get my CNC lathe going and then maybe build a decent CNC Plasma table I should be good for the duration LOL
[04:34:35] <Wolf_> wonder if I could run the lawnmower on Lcnc
[04:34:54] <MacGalempsy> I want to see the gcode for that
[04:35:02] <MacGalempsy> m06 changes the blade?
[04:35:07] <PetefromTn_> I think those turned parts look pretty good for 3" hot rolled LOL
[04:35:26] <bobo> MacGalempsy sinker =no , wire = yes but not right now
[04:35:28] <Wolf_> if my yard was dead flat the gcode would be simple
[04:35:29] <PetefromTn_> there are quite a few RClawnmower projects on the net
[04:35:49] <MacGalempsy> bobo have you seen Ben Flemings book and circuit board?
[04:35:49] <PetefromTn_> most use an salvaged electric wheelchair
[04:35:57] <bobo> yes
[04:36:07] <MacGalempsy> thats what I got to work with
[04:36:18] <PetefromTn_> Most use a salvaged electric wheelchair
[04:36:25] <Wolf_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzffTzZITLc
[04:36:29] <PetefromTn_> and some creative tig welding
[04:36:36] <Wolf_> electric, meh
[04:36:36] <PetefromTn_> and an RC setup
[04:36:38] <MacGalempsy> thinking it would be cool to use one board on two machines
[04:37:00] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: I want that!
[04:37:13] <PetefromTn_> it would sure be a bitch if it got away from you tho heh
[04:37:26] <Wolf_> yeah, that happened once
[04:37:27] <MacGalempsy> hahahaha, there goes the neighbors dog
[04:37:29] <PetefromTn_> I am sure you could setup a kill switch
[04:37:36] <PetefromTn_> is that yours?
[04:37:40] <Wolf_> hit a cabover truck in the yard
[04:37:48] <Wolf_> yeah
[04:37:56] <PetefromTn_> Oh awesome..
[04:38:17] <PetefromTn_> I must say as far as the mower part goes that thing makes my craftsman look like some kinda pussy
[04:38:46] <Wolf_> bent the bumper on the truck + moved it a few inches
[04:38:52] <MacGalempsy> my wife got wasted and drove my new john deer over a steel stake I had in the ground. less than 10 hrs and the mandrel is bent
[04:38:54] <PetefromTn_> it would bog down in grass half that high
[04:39:21] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: can you adjust the deck height with the remote control?
[04:39:28] <Wolf_> 13hp full hydraulic drive
[04:39:31] <Wolf_> no
[04:39:43] <PetefromTn_> it seems a little squirrely
[04:39:58] <Wolf_> takes 6 bolts + 4 spacers to change the deck height
[04:40:21] <MacGalempsy> so whats the problem?
[04:40:24] <MacGalempsy> heh
[04:40:35] <Wolf_> PetefromTn_: yeah, thats what happens when you are driving with 1 hand and iPhone in the other recording lol
[04:40:59] <PetefromTn_> heh so that is you that was squirrely then
[04:41:37] <Wolf_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-PeA20v6eE
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[04:43:22] <bobo> Pete a plasma machine is usefull ,but I think a wire EDM machine is not as messy and really a more marketable usage
[04:43:40] <Wolf_> depends on what you need to do
[04:43:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[04:43:47] <Wolf_> I need a plasma table...
[04:44:01] <Wolf_> EDM is really kick ass, but...
[04:44:27] <MacGalempsy> i cannot understand why the plasma tables on craigslist are like $10k
[04:44:28] <Wolf_> 5’x10’ plate would be a bitch for EDM lol
[04:44:37] <MacGalempsy> it doesnt seem that complicated
[04:44:45] <PetefromTn_> its not that complicated
[04:44:48] <Wolf_> it really isnt
[04:45:02] <PetefromTn_> hell even ssi made one ;)
[04:45:03] <MacGalempsy> use some big ass steppers
[04:45:11] <Wolf_> but a fully turn key kit… not cheap
[04:45:14] <PetefromTn_> Steppers? GASP
[04:45:21] <MacGalempsy> :D
[04:45:56] <Wolf_> nema 34 470W servos good enough for plasma table? :D
[04:46:12] <PetefromTn_> Well enough kiddin around. I gotta get to bed. talk tomorrow fellas...Wolfie I will be expecting some of those drives here soon man so get crackin' ;)
[04:47:21] <PetefromTn_> GN8
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[04:47:55] <bobo> around here ,Cols. ,OH, If I supply the print for a ,It can be cut out cheeper than i can buy the material
[04:49:49] <MacGalempsy> sounds like a good area to be around
[04:51:24] <ssi> Wolf_: yes, still way overkill :)
[04:51:35] <ssi> my plasma table has 370oz-in nema 24 steppers
[04:51:49] <bobo> one place has water jet other has plasma cutter
[04:52:43] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQsF8GiWwAAv0J_.png:large
[04:52:48] <MacGalempsy> wish we had something like that around here
[04:52:51] <ssi> there's the first assembly
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[04:53:23] <MacGalempsy> ssi: that doesnt look like a plasma table :P
[04:54:17] <ssi> correct
[04:54:34] <bobo> ssi zeeshan's lathe "to be " has rhe same brand servo motors as your mill. he may be interested in the servo drivers
[04:54:53] <ssi> it has the fanuc redcap motors?
[04:55:06] <MacGalempsy> so maybe someone here can influence me a direction on CAD/CAM package. we have been using solidworks in class, but the sales guy is a douche. so have been just considering sticking with Fusion360, but dont like the cloud base.
[04:55:17] <bobo> I think so. yes
[04:55:20] <ssi> MacGalempsy: I drastically prefer solidworks
[04:55:39] <ssi> sucks that fusion isn't good, because I work exclusively in osx, and the last thing I need parallels for is solidworks :(
[04:55:42] <MacGalempsy> most people say the same
[04:56:07] <MacGalempsy> its just crap that they wont give me a demo of solidworks
[04:57:01] <MacGalempsy> they wont give demos to students, so I said send one to my consulting company and they said no
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[04:58:54] <Wolf_> torrent “demo”
[04:59:22] <ssi> agreed :P
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[05:10:18] <bobo> later
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[05:14:36] <Praesmeodymium> MacGalempsy: while fusions cloud base is cloudy I totally used 360 on a computer without network for more than a month
[05:15:43] <Praesmeodymium> so it only uses the cloud based stuff for a couple function, importing stls sadly is one of them
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[05:26:26] <anomynous> MacGalempsy, i could download student version of sw for free when in school
[05:26:38] <anomynous> maybe your school has such a thing
[05:28:19] <anomynous> MacGalempsy, what do you study
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[05:56:17] <_abc_> !seen cradek
[05:56:17] <the_wench> last seen in #linuxcnc-devel 2015-10-06 19:24:13GMT 11:32:04 ago, saying right, that's exactly what I mean
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[07:11:56] <MacGalempsy> anomynous: sorry was soldering some leads
[07:12:26] <MacGalempsy> im taking a night class in cnc programming. so far we have just manually programmed for the last 6 wks
[07:15:44] <archivist> are they making sure you have used a manual mill too?
[07:22:30] <_abc_> archivist: What manual mill? Seen any handles / cranks on a modern cnc mill? ;)
[07:23:27] <archivist> _abc_, night school!!!
[07:24:20] <_abc_> archivist: Can't see the handles and cranks in the dark!
[07:24:45] <_abc_> The night class is in "cnc programming". In no way does it imply getting hands dirty ;)
[07:25:26] <MacGalempsy> well, they are trying to get us to take the 10 month machinist course
[07:25:47] <archivist> take it, good experience
[07:25:50] <MacGalempsy> _abc_: pretty much, we have done like touchoffs, and edge finding
[07:25:50] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: Do it if they pay for it.
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[07:26:12] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: by hand or by sim/cnc code?
[07:26:14] <MacGalempsy> money is not the front end problem. I work graveyard shift and the classes are ALL day long
[07:26:23] * _abc_ has been tinkering with G38.n yesterday.
[07:26:34] <MacGalempsy> the instructor has never used a touchprobe heh
[07:26:46] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: That is tough. Arrange to take breaks a few days a month at least, from school.
[07:26:58] <archivist> I am learning of the ways of touch probes
[07:27:08] <MacGalempsy> how is the touchy going?
[07:27:12] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: Itis very unhealhy to do what you do long term.
[07:27:22] <MacGalempsy> _abc_: its been 3 years now
[07:27:43] <MacGalempsy> if the oil business was going better, I wouldnt even need to retrain
[07:27:57] <_abc_> archivist: You might like this: http://softsolder.com/2010/04/14/emc2-ugliest-tool-length-probe-station-ever/
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[07:28:09] <archivist> MacGalempsy, yesterday I was finishing up moving the compressor out the garage into a shed to get the noise level down next to the CMM
[07:28:12] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: You are an oiler? Refugee/ex oiler?
[07:28:29] <MacGalempsy> 10 year pro geologist
[07:28:34] <_abc_> Ah. Nice.
[07:29:03] <MacGalempsy> does lcnc have setup for a touchoff plate and a touchprobe?
[07:29:14] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: yes the link I provided!
[07:29:40] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: there are many more like that. lcnc is not centralized it is the sum of many many people's contributions. You get to Google a lot.
[07:30:13] <MacGalempsy> i've been trying to get my mill going. right now I need to take the table off
[07:30:18] <archivist> although it does not have stylus calibration, yet, as far as I know
[07:30:34] <_abc_> archivist: What do you mean by stylus calibration please?
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[07:31:10] <MacGalempsy> like there are different shapes right?
[07:31:15] <MacGalempsy> not just ball tip
[07:31:34] <archivist> the springs in the average probe and all errors summed give you an effectively smaller diameter to the ball on your stylus
[07:32:06] <_abc_> Yes but that should be documented for the stylus you use?
[07:32:09] <MacGalempsy> i just packed up my Renishaw TP1s to go out for repair
[07:32:17] <archivist> there is also the time for the machine to react to the contact
[07:32:28] <MacGalempsy> good thing the TP2 5w is working
[07:32:29] <_abc_> Sure the code in my link accounts for that
[07:32:36] <archivist> _abc_, no you calibrate on the machine
[07:32:46] <_abc_> Did you see the link please?
[07:33:00] <MacGalempsy> the renishaw calibration is just a small handheld force gauge
[07:33:04] <archivist> that turd of a switch?
[07:33:17] <MacGalempsy> which turd?
[07:33:19] <_abc_> Move in fast to contact, move out slow to break, move in slow to precise contact
[07:33:27] <_abc_> archivist: the switch is irrelevant, read the code
[07:33:38] <archivist> MacGalempsy, nope the calibration is after that stage
[07:33:43] <MacGalempsy> well, real touchprobes use strain gauge
[07:33:53] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: do they?
[07:34:07] <_abc_> LVDT is more likely, also iirc Renishaw uses optical ones
[07:34:24] <MacGalempsy> https://www.sparkfun.com/search/results?term=load+sensor
[07:34:36] <_abc_> I know exactly what that is MacGalempsy ;)
[07:34:52] <MacGalempsy> that is what I am going to do my touchoff plate with
[07:35:19] <archivist> _abc_, obviously you have not seen non amateur probe documentation yet, real machines move more than one axis at a time when probing
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[07:35:45] <_abc_> Maybe not a good idea? Elastic materials which have low Young modulus suitable for strain gauge probing without too much force on the tool tip also have poor temporal stability
[07:36:00] <archivist> _abc_, Renishaw use strain gauges too
[07:36:12] <_abc_> archivist: I know what I need to know about ruby ball 3d probes.
[07:36:33] <MacGalempsy> anyone need to buy some ruby balls?
[07:36:39] <_abc_> archivist: What force would that require to be actuated?
[07:36:41] <archivist> I have an LVDT probe here, cant see who made it though
[07:36:45] <MacGalempsy> better yet trade for some ATC programming?
[07:37:30] <archivist> the stylus forces vary
[07:37:34] <_abc_> archivist: apparently the best probes now are optical interferometers. The probe ball is part of the mirror, any pressure or disturbance on it shifts the fringes.
[07:38:10] <_abc_> archivist: I need to touch off engraving mills with 0.2mm tip. 50 grams on that and it's chipped.
[07:38:30] <_abc_> archivist: This is not simple.
[07:38:36] <archivist> I got a .5mm tip, tiny
[07:38:47] <_abc_> 0.5mm is way too large for what I do.
[07:38:47] <MacGalempsy> thats what she said
[07:38:59] * _abc_ sends MacGalempsy to get laid and top talking lewd
[07:39:12] <MacGalempsy> the wifey is sleeping
[07:39:19] <_abc_> *stop
[07:39:34] <archivist> I used the .5 for my first attempt at testing the CMM
[07:39:52] <archivist> the 2mm tip only arrived yesterday
[07:40:23] <archivist> I might have to make a version of http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-1014-1720
[07:40:36] <archivist> cannot afford that
[07:40:49] <MacGalempsy> ouch
[07:41:18] <MacGalempsy> that looks like one of those parts you find in a generic machinist lot on ebay for like $2
[07:41:27] <MacGalempsy> else you pay $300
[07:41:46] <archivist> will have to scan fleabay for one
[07:41:56] <MacGalempsy> even better http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-1047-3484
[07:42:01] <archivist> I got http://www.renishaw.com/shop/Product.aspx?Product=A-5000-3626 on fleabay
[07:42:04] <MacGalempsy> $300 for an extension
[07:42:15] <MacGalempsy> I got one of those
[07:42:52] <MacGalempsy> actually there are three https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/16587541542/in/dateposted-public/
[07:43:03] <archivist> I got two extensions on the machine, but the probe points horizontally
[07:43:04] <MacGalempsy> best fleabay buy in a long time
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[07:43:35] <archivist> I see nothing flickr is fucked
[07:43:56] <MacGalempsy> oh yeah. you dont got that
[07:45:14] <archivist> I need a reference/datum sphere too
[07:45:29] <_abc_> archivist: http://86.127.146.79:8881/mypaste/f89fe1cc653a512e5b6e that module pcb was made by me with a mill I sharpened and designed (angles etc) myself, mill path is 0.18mm wide afair.
[07:46:24] <MacGalempsy> http://imgur.com/aKc67mR
[07:46:40] <Wolf_> archivist: https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7310/16587541542_c66d03681e_b.jpg mac’s pic
[07:47:07] <_abc_> MacGalempsy: nice gear. Busted it?
[07:47:24] <MacGalempsy> no the busted one is the TP1s (the big black one)
[07:47:29] <MacGalempsy> everything else works
[07:47:32] <_abc_> ok
[07:47:39] <_abc_> How did you bust it?
[07:47:45] <MacGalempsy> it came that way
[07:47:46] <archivist> you could fix it yourself
[07:47:52] <_abc_> ok
[07:47:54] <MacGalempsy> I got that whole box for 300
[07:48:07] <archivist> dirty contacts likely
[07:48:24] <MacGalempsy> well, I just plugged it in to the interface and the led doesnt come one
[07:48:26] <MacGalempsy> on
[07:48:49] <archivist> a symptom of cable or contacts
[07:48:54] <MacGalempsy> cable is good
[07:49:06] <MacGalempsy> so its got to be the contacts
[07:49:42] <MacGalempsy> i got the interface with a bunch of other stuff for like 35
[07:50:30] <archivist> II got this one cat50 size http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+pd+valeron was useless, then discovered how to get inside, cleaned the contacts
[07:51:12] <archivist> I think its force is too high for my use so probably will never use it
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[07:52:02] <MacGalempsy> isnt the force adjustable?
[07:52:11] <archivist> not on all probes
[07:53:08] <Jymmm> 3D Scanner http://www.frys.com/product/8394207?site=sa:adpages%20page:P128_SU%20date:100415
[07:55:11] <MacGalempsy> archivist: I owe you one
[07:55:17] <archivist> LVTD probe has fixed force too as it is a flat spring flexure mount http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=probe+pd+lvdt
[07:55:29] <MacGalempsy> just pulled the cap off and sprayed contact cleaner in there and now it works
[07:56:08] <archivist> my TP2 needed wiggling to get it running, then I adjusted the force up a little
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[07:57:52] <MacGalempsy> I like the tp1s better because the cable comes off
[07:58:04] <MacGalempsy> so I can keep it in a tool holder on the ATC
[07:58:08] <archivist> I spent many hours over the years, wiggling various switches and pots to use the self cleaning action of movement to get stuff working again
[07:58:55] <MacGalempsy> cool
[07:58:57] <archivist> the rubbing of the contacts rubs off corrosion or dirt
[07:59:35] <MacGalempsy> now what am I going to do with 2 touchprobes?
[07:59:47] <archivist> play :)
[08:00:18] <MacGalempsy> need to finish my machine right now. cannot home y
[08:00:25] <archivist> one can be for probing, the could be for tool length
[08:00:38] <MacGalempsy> that sounds like a good idea
[08:00:56] <MacGalempsy> only have one interface though
[08:01:09] <MacGalempsy> I would like one of those MI8
[08:01:27] <MacGalempsy> they are small and will fit in the back panel
[08:02:43] <archivist> a change over switch, a few pennies
[08:02:50] <MacGalempsy> good idea
[08:02:59] <archivist> or a relay controlled from linuxcnc
[08:03:02] <MacGalempsy> and since they are microphone jacks, it should be pretty easy
[08:03:09] <MacGalempsy> brb
[08:07:28] <Valen> this looks scary http://imgur.com/gallery/giOuD
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[08:16:58] <ganzuul> A piezo stack is a powerful and repeatable way to impart vibration.
[08:17:22] <ganzuul> ...Holy backlog batman.
[08:17:46] <[cube]> what about an old 12" woofer with the cone cut out? :)
[08:18:26] <ganzuul> hmm
[08:18:58] <ganzuul> The impedance remains the same...
[08:19:28] <[cube]> was thinking about this a few days ago
[08:19:34] <ganzuul> Might be too many dynamic factors for very accurate measurement, unless you have a comparison from which to deduce the error.
[08:19:44] <[cube]> on vibrating a table to help degassing of liquids
[08:19:48] <[cube]> while they're in vacuum
[08:19:54] <ganzuul> oice
[08:20:22] <ganzuul> Low frequency might be the best for that, yes.
[08:21:20] <[cube]> maybe fill the cone area with a soft gel-like silicon
[08:21:37] <[cube]> mount it right on the table
[08:21:42] <Wolf_> archivist: so these probe heads, really just a switch right? so don’t need a interface box?
[08:23:41] <ganzuul> [cube]: Why soft?
[08:24:16] <[cube]> not sure really, maybe would give it a little 'give'
[08:24:44] <[cube]> alow the magnets to push a bit
[08:25:14] <archivist> Wolf_, the "interface" is often just some small filter/ switch debounce circuit, but it does depends on probe type
[08:25:31] <[cube]> and might protect the 'transducer' from damaging itself
[08:25:34] <Wolf_> hmm
[08:25:48] <archivist> Wolf_, the other types dont have switches
[08:26:36] <archivist> a probe really have to be robust against over travel
[08:27:36] <MacGalempsy> Valen: whats so scarey?
[08:27:48] <Valen> pointy knives
[08:28:11] <archivist> Wolf_, eg see technical details, it shows over travel https://www.renishaw.com/cmmsupport/knowledgebase/en/tp2-legacy-probe--22344
[08:29:08] <Wolf_> there is a PH5 for pretty cheap on eBay, and I now see that its really just teh a carrier
[08:30:32] <archivist> yes the expensive way for a star setup
[08:31:40] <Wolf_> the M8 thread on the probe is neat to know http://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=31810
[08:32:46] <archivist> that probe m8 has a centre contact
[08:33:28] <Wolf_> tormach holders are hollow
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[08:36:27] <MacGalempsy> I have some tormach holders that are getting sent back
[08:36:32] <MacGalempsy> 20 of them.
[08:36:45] <Wolf_> why?
[08:36:56] <MacGalempsy> they are for MTC and I have ATC
[08:37:12] <Wolf_> china ones don’t have groves in them
[08:37:15] <MacGalempsy> i ordered one to see if it would work, then some how I ordered the MTC on accisdent
[08:37:33] <ganzuul> [cube]: Might not have to be very, very soft to protect the coil. Also, stiffness will give a wider tuning range before harmonics start to dominate.
[08:37:35] <MacGalempsy> they are Darkon from Canada. the guy was cool about swapping them out
[08:37:36] <Wolf_> or are they from tormach?
[08:37:41] <Wolf_> ahh
[08:37:57] <Wolf_> oh yeah, he has then both ways right...
[08:38:19] <MacGalempsy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-DARKON-ER20-ATC-Precision-Chuck-/231615910120?hash=item35ed6250e8
[08:38:40] <ganzuul> [cube]: polyurethane might work well!
[08:39:57] <MacGalempsy> wondering if I should have them send me the ER32 instead of the ones I had in mind
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[08:40:24] <MacGalempsy> I got the ER20
[08:40:34] <Wolf_> er32 are big
[08:40:51] <MacGalempsy> I dont think there is enough room on the turret
[08:41:00] <Wolf_> I have er32 and er16 right now
[08:41:25] <Wolf_> only got the er32 cause I have a full collet set
[08:42:47] <mikron_> archivist i have done te mpg wheel but i cant get the scale connected it works on 0,001
[08:43:55] <Wolf_> lol http://www.ebay.com/itm/Renishaw-CMM-Probe-Head-Parts-/281686651387?hash=item4195d531fb
[08:44:31] <MacGalempsy> hahahah looks bad
[08:46:24] <archivist> Wolf_, I think I spy the parts of something I could fix up there
[08:46:33] <archivist> want
[08:46:42] <Wolf_> :)
[08:46:57] <Wolf_> figured ya might see something useful in there
[08:47:18] <archivist> need someone over there to post the bits I want :)
[08:47:27] <Wolf_> so renishaw isn’t the only name in probes right?
[08:47:31] <archivist> looks like he does not post over here
[08:47:41] <archivist> Ziess
[08:47:42] <Wolf_> I can do that
[08:50:04] <archivist> looks like the parts for more than one broken PK1 are in that pile
[08:50:05] <Wolf_> I’ll hit buy on them parts for you and forward
[08:51:15] <archivist> ok tell me postage whatever in a pm with email and I can paypal some dosh
[08:51:47] <Wolf_> once it gets here lol
[08:52:26] <Wolf_> can get some better pics so you can weed out some weight if needed too
[08:53:32] <archivist> ok
[08:54:14] <archivist> looking at his other items, seem yet another seller of stores contents :)
[09:00:59] <Wolf_> hate when I can’t find info http://www.ebay.com/itm/MILIMAR-MAHR-TOUCH-PROBE-RC0100309-FOR-CNC-MILLING-MACHINE-SHOP-INSPECTION-LAB-/190814566978?hash=item2c6d6f3a42
[09:01:15] <Contract_Pilot> Eveening
[09:01:32] <Contract_Pilot> Early morning? off to bed
[09:01:36] <_abc_> I can't tell if motion.flood-is-on is a valid signal? Is it?
[09:03:15] <archivist> Wolf_, mitutoyo has a similar probe, used for some old manual measuring thing iirc
[09:04:05] <archivist> Wolf_, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mitutoyo-192-001-Touch-Signal-Probe-/181892837261
[09:04:56] <Wolf_> yeah, I think its for their surface hight thinger
[09:05:04] <Sync> those are LVDT things
[09:09:18] <_abc_> Isn't mist.is-on a motion pin/signal? It seems to come from halui?!
[09:09:25] <_abc_> same for coolant
[09:09:28] <_abc_> Guys?
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[09:10:10] <_abc_> ah iocontrol
[09:10:40] <archivist> switching it on or thinking of a status
[09:11:13] <Wolf_> could be a neat idea as well, get a cheaper probe, but that would only work for height :/
[09:11:42] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-SOLARTRON-ANALOGUE-GAUGING-TOUCH-PROBE-5-PIN-MALE-END-/351343969710?hash=item51cdbb85ae looks interesting for that
[09:13:36] <MacGalempsy> for that price it would be worth the gamble
[09:13:47] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: I am now.
[09:14:35] <Wolf_> at worst I could set up a rig with that to measure the tool heights using the surface plate holder and have the probe move :)
[09:14:37] <MacGalempsy> there are 10?
[09:14:58] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: you wanted to say something?
[09:15:07] <Sync> Wolf_: if you want to make lvdt readout crap, sure
[09:15:10] <MacGalempsy> yeah there was something earlier, but forgot
[09:15:39] <XXCoder> darn, next time include something in ding :) as thats only line I get into special highlight channel.
[09:15:46] <MacGalempsy> oh yeah
[09:15:52] <MacGalempsy> it was about that 3d printer
[09:16:01] <MacGalempsy> DONT DO THE $15 off!
[09:16:01] <XXCoder> yeah?
[09:16:13] <XXCoder> I already did not plan to.
[09:16:17] <MacGalempsy> https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/3noon2/scams_on_aliexpress/
[09:16:44] <MacGalempsy> the trick is you can only file once, so they get you to take a $15 refund and dont send anything
[09:17:08] <XXCoder> that wqas what I guessed
[09:17:17] <XXCoder> due to how pishy guy was. lol
[09:17:22] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[09:17:31] <MacGalempsy> i might as well go for the full refund
[09:17:56] <archivist> Wolf_, you need the hardware to read LVDT sensors
[09:18:13] <MacGalempsy> amplifier?
[09:18:22] <archivist> and oscillator
[09:18:50] <archivist> the analog devices chip set is not that cheap
[09:18:54] <Sync> (protip, the stmbl should be able to read them)
[09:19:02] <Wolf_> heh
[09:19:26] <Wolf_> I’ll just keep a eye on the eBay for something simple, like a renishaw
[09:19:46] <archivist> cheaper way http://www.mikesflightdeck.com/lvdts/lvdts.html
[09:19:51] <MacGalempsy> renishaw is not simple, you need an interface
[09:20:30] <archivist> MacGalempsy, its only a contact, and LED drivers sometimes
[09:21:01] <MacGalempsy> but when you try to ohm out th e leads, a touch does not equal conductivity
[09:21:18] <archivist> crappy contacts
[09:21:33] <MacGalempsy> ah, so you think now that I cleaned it it will ohm out?
[09:21:43] <archivist> try it :)
[09:21:45] <MacGalempsy> the tp2 doesnt
[09:23:15] <archivist> it may well be accepted practice to work with higher resistance, a comparator and a current source
[09:24:25] <archivist> wiggle the tp2 and use a higher range on the meter
[09:25:29] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: whoia
[09:25:39] <XXCoder> it now has status "frozen order"!
[09:25:51] <XXCoder> it changed when i was about to clic dispute
[09:26:07] <XXCoder> store homepage is not found
[09:27:09] <MacGalempsy> hahaha.
[09:27:26] <XXCoder> lets see if I get money back.
[09:28:03] <MacGalempsy> yep mine is frozen too
[09:28:22] <XXCoder> stilkl havent gotten back money but I guess I evenually will.
[09:29:01] <MacGalempsy> im sure they are getting complaints
[09:29:26] <XXCoder> yeah. too bad really.
[09:29:28] <MacGalempsy> To ensure safe transactions, your order has been frozen due to suspicious seller activities. The seller is required to provide evidence within 3 business days, if they do not, we will issue you with a full refund. In the event the seller does respond to the case within 3 business days, it could take about 15 business days for the case to be resolved.
[09:29:40] <MacGalempsy> there you go
[09:30:00] <XXCoder> even as crappy that printer is, I would have fun rebuild it then print stuff
[09:30:27] <MacGalempsy> the printer I ordered was bada$$
[09:30:38] <Praesmeodymium> yeah the screws and case woulda been worth the hassle (assuming the werent threded rod)
[09:30:38] <XXCoder> clomby one?
[09:31:02] <MacGalempsy> http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6954434421.html?orderId=69640944949817
[09:31:13] <MacGalempsy> on amazon it goes for $2k
[09:31:27] <XXCoder> yep from what I see from one thread it has major issues
[09:31:29] <XXCoder> dont buy it
[09:31:32] <XXCoder> for 2k anyway
[09:31:47] <MacGalempsy> no way! I got this VMC that isnt even finished
[09:32:07] <XXCoder> it was delivered with ballthreads bent for example
[09:32:11] <XXCoder> stripped gears
[09:32:14] <MacGalempsy> ouch
[09:32:31] <XXCoder> yeah I didnt know when I ordered but hey it was cheap even with issues
[09:33:02] <MacGalempsy> for 2k I would get a Kossel
[09:33:10] <MacGalempsy> or a mendlemax 3
[09:33:21] <Praesmeodymium> wow, built my mini for like 500$
[09:33:24] <MacGalempsy> but at this point its back to making them
[09:33:37] <MacGalempsy> i did a mm1.5 a few years ago
[09:33:53] <archivist> MacGalempsy, my tp2 does measure with a multimeter, shows a poor contact though
[09:34:00] <MacGalempsy> I got the stuff to do what I dubbed RepRack, which uses a server rack as the chassis
[09:34:21] <MacGalempsy> archivist: I guess that is why they suggest amplification devices
[09:34:41] <XXCoder> what would be good $200 one?
[09:35:05] <archivist> MacGalempsy, some contacts need a wetting current due to the oxide
[09:35:29] <XXCoder> this + my cnc router. HMMMM http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-Magic-3D-Drawing-Pen-3d-Printer-With-Heating-Coil-And-Nozzle-Cartridge-Produced-By-China/32450890200.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.10.vJvHv4&ws_ab_test=201556_6,201527_3_71_72_73_74_75,0_0
[09:35:55] <Wolf_> just get a extruder head
[09:36:03] <archivist> reed relays have that problem, so they have a minimum current for reliable contact
[09:36:27] <XXCoder> Wolf_: makes sense
[09:38:01] <XXCoder> like this? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3d-printer-dual-head-Hotend-extruder-0-35-Nozzle-for-3mm-filament/1846120779.html
[09:38:30] <Wolf_> wow, overpriced
[09:39:08] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/UM2-Ultimaker-2-3D-Printer-Dual-Extrusion-Kit-2-Nozzles-Hot-End-Pack-Ultimaker-2-Dual/32347939480.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.2.6e3gWk&ws_ab_test=201556_6,201527_3_71_72_73_74_75,0_0
[09:39:35] <XXCoder> found one half that price
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[09:43:32] <MacGalempsy> that dual head is not worth it
[09:43:49] <MacGalempsy> I had that budaschnozzle style before and they are not that great
[09:44:16] <XXCoder> just think having 2 colors would be awesome
[09:44:24] <XXCoder> or is there better duals?
[09:44:24] <MacGalempsy> sure
[09:44:35] <MacGalempsy> I would go for a dual jhead
[09:44:40] <MacGalempsy> or the aluhotend
[09:44:43] <Praesmeodymium> its like 4 times harder to get dual extrusion to work
[09:44:57] <MacGalempsy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AluHotend-V7-1-75mm-hotend-for-reprap-3d-printers-jhead-compatible-groovemount-/111684862705?hash=item1a00efc2f1
[09:44:59] <Praesmeodymium> jhead is out of business there are now only clones
[09:45:01] <MacGalempsy> my buddy makes these one
[09:45:09] <Praesmeodymium> jgr?
[09:45:14] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[09:45:32] <MacGalempsy> thats his company, he is selling printers and making a killing
[09:46:26] <Praesmeodymium> I'd say I havent seen him in #reprap but that place hates on people doing anything
[09:46:35] <Praesmeodymium> in awhile I mean
[09:46:48] <Praesmeodymium> its been like a year since he was a regular
[09:47:09] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: sometimes "irc culture" turns toxic
[09:47:10] <MacGalempsy> he has been busy with the printers
[09:47:14] <XXCoder> like #java
[09:47:28] <MacGalempsy> he use to be in hangout a lot
[09:47:41] <MacGalempsy> now you have to msg him and demand his presence :)
[09:48:05] * XXCoder summons the holy 3d print master
[09:48:19] * XXCoder places pile of ABS rolls into surifical bowl
[09:48:49] <MacGalempsy> time to sacrifice a virgin
[09:49:04] <Praesmeodymium> dont buy a cheap kit you built rebuilt or operate a cnc machine just self source you will be much happier not trying to get motion out of curtain rods
[09:49:33] <MacGalempsy> sometimes getting a kit is cheaper than buying all the parts, then just make your own frame
[09:49:36] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: yeah I dont think i will buy printer for a while.
[09:49:56] <XXCoder> thats my orginial plan. I moved it up MUCH earlier due to that (unfortunately scammy) sale
[09:50:10] <MacGalempsy> i got enough parts laying around to make the reprack once I am able to make cuts on the CNC
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[09:53:02] <XXCoder> nice
[09:53:09] <XXCoder> so there is cnc cuttable plans eh
[09:53:22] <XXCoder> and kit for non-cnc makable parts
[09:59:38] <MacGalempsy> the whole idea came from having an extra server rack, thinking it could be used to prototype, then get like a 72 u rack and stack three printers
[09:59:44] <MacGalempsy> in one case
[10:00:29] <MacGalempsy> the only brackets are .25" x3" aluminum bar stock
[10:03:10] <MacGalempsy> and some extrusions for the x/y stage
[10:05:23] <XXCoder> bet its pretty strightforward
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[10:05:28] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: You get an email from aliexpress?
[10:05:49] <XXCoder> malcom2073: I probably got it but status on my order changed as I was checking it lol
[10:06:00] <malcom2073> XXCoder: They suspended the seller lol
[10:06:10] <XXCoder> good news eh. good thing aliexpress is eschow service
[10:06:20] <malcom2073> Yep
[10:07:35] <trentster> Hi all - I have been busy cutting high quality micro mirrors for laser optics out of old hard drive platters, it works beautifully for the first 8 or 10 pieces and then the wd40 or the cutting fluid I am manually spraying eats away the hold down tape and the platter moves - anyone know of hold down tape that is impervious to cutting fluid or alternatively a better method? (and no I dont have a vacuum table)
[10:08:12] <XXCoder> maybe its time to make one
[10:08:15] <Sync> superglue
[10:08:17] <XXCoder> you can easily make tiny one
[10:08:44] <Sync> also harddrive platters do not make good first surface mirrors
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[10:09:00] <trentster> XXCoder: From what I have read, easy and vacuum table don't belong in the same sentence ;-)
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[10:09:19] <XXCoder> Sync: I wonder how easy it is to make vacuum depost
[10:09:25] <XXCoder> so can make new first surface mirrors
[10:10:09] <Sync> well
[10:10:14] <Praesmeodymium> rather large ones in the average projection tv
[10:10:17] <trentster> Sync: the mirros seem great to me better than anything else I have seen thus far - whats the issue with platter you don't like?
[10:10:30] <Sync> the reflectivity sucks
[10:11:08] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaEaaeajCSI
[10:11:15] <Sync> send your laser through a stack of 10 and measure output
[10:11:24] <trentster> Sync: perhaps vs high quality paid optics - but as a free resource that does not end up in a land-fill it works pretty well
[10:12:09] <trentster> Sync: I am not trying to bounce a beam to mars its for laser spirographs only bounces off 4 mirrors
[10:12:37] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot4VUKEevJg
[10:13:10] <Sync> for that they might work okay
[10:13:17] <Sync> but they will not show up on my optical bench
[10:13:19] <trentster> but thanks for the super glue idea - it will ruin one side but thats not really an issue I guess - I will give it a try
[10:13:32] <Sync> XXCoder: pretty easy, at least for Al and Au mirrors
[10:13:32] <XXCoder> trentster: try different glue
[10:13:42] <XXCoder> one thats disolveable in water maybe
[10:13:47] <XXCoder> oil wont touch it
[10:13:52] <Sync> the only problem is that you need SiO2 on Al ones
[10:13:58] <Sync> acetone will take CA right off
[10:14:19] <XXCoder> video to make new mirror (rather than convert)
[10:14:24] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0TNwIhjbh4
[10:14:52] <trentster> XXCoder: thanks watching
[10:15:08] <XXCoder> silver type
[10:15:44] <XXCoder> person speaks VERY clearly so autocaptions work pretty good.
[10:18:51] <Sync> yeah but silver mirrors oxidize
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[10:18:57] <Sync> gold or Al is preferrable
[10:19:11] <trentster> thats glass so will not work for me + plus its a ton of work vs using a platter - but thanks anyway :-)
[10:19:21] <XXCoder> I suppose but laser probably will eat it before oxide does]
[10:19:30] <XXCoder> and seal before store
[10:19:42] <XXCoder> trentster: yeah quite a bit of work
[10:21:01] <XXCoder> trentster: for tiny mirrors I'd go for vacuum deposit
[10:21:09] <XXCoder> dunno if works with Au
[10:21:13] <XXCoder> err
[10:21:15] <XXCoder> Al
[10:21:37] <Sync> sure
[10:21:41] <Sync> that's how they are done
[10:21:45] <Sync> by simple thermal evap
[10:21:51] <XXCoder> checking aliexpress lol
[10:23:02] <MacGalempsy> so everything worked well, but now that I put the bellows covers back on, it will not home...
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[10:26:19] <ganzuul> Is a fire blanket a good firebrick-like material to use with e.g. flame brazing?
[10:26:22] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: you sure its not blocking anything?
[10:26:26] <XXCoder> or pushing wires loose
[10:26:27] <ganzuul> Or annealing.
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[10:27:25] <MacGalempsy> yeah because with the belllows off, it was homing perfect
[10:27:27] <ganzuul> Say, put a bar of steel on 4-layers of fire blanket, heat up cherry red, and wrap it up.
[10:28:17] <trentster> MacGalempsy: whats it doing when you try and home?
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[10:28:39] <trentster> and what type of home switches you using - mechanical?
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[10:30:53] <XXCoder> ummmm
[10:31:09] <MacGalempsy> stalls out. I just pulled the bellows cover off and trying homing again
[10:31:15] <XXCoder> this 3d pinter has picture of guy in biohazard suit
[10:31:20] <XXCoder> so.....
[10:31:59] <MacGalempsy> ok. so Im going to trim down the cover and see if that does it
[10:32:08] <trentster> Cool - I won this auction at a pretty decent price - I hope they don't land up being absolute junk (fingers crossed) http://www.ebay.com/itm/221900471148
[10:32:43] <XXCoder> nice
[10:33:15] <trentster> if they are semi decent I wont have to buy ball nose bits for a long long time :-)
[10:33:29] <XXCoder> indeed
[10:33:31] <trentster> They are US made - so how bad can they be
[10:33:41] <XXCoder> maybe its "made in usa"
[10:34:28] <XXCoder> not bad http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3d-printer-High-precision-big-size-200-200-200mm/1783768137.html
[10:36:25] <trentster> xxcoder get a http://formlabs.com/
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[10:37:39] <XXCoder> nah it dont support abs
[10:38:56] <trentster> what you planning on making with your 3d printer
[10:39:14] <XXCoder> art projects
[10:39:20] <XXCoder> I do like how abs looks so yeah
[10:40:20] <trentster> I should probably look into getting a 3d printer at some point as well - maybe I will wait awhile - the tech seems to be getting better by 50% every 6 months
[10:46:17] <XXCoder> thats problem too lol
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[10:54:06] <MacGalempsy> heh. cut off one row of cover and it homed just fine
[10:55:15] <XXCoder> guess it was pushing limit
[10:56:45] <archivist> or turn up the servo current
[10:59:47] <XXCoder> maybe it was too heavy and trimming one off made it just barely light enough :P
[11:00:16] <MacGalempsy> hopefully that is all it takes on the y axis
[11:00:27] <MacGalempsy> probably the later
[11:00:57] <MacGalempsy> the upper cover is newer than the lower, so maybe they just didnt do it right
[11:10:20] <trentster> I wonder why on earth CNC Spindles are so ridiculously priced - you would think the bearing are made from Platinum at these prices - I am sure most sellers must have a 200% margin
[11:10:36] <XXCoder> only 200%?
[11:14:32] <MacGalempsy> it worked perfect this time. now on to the y axis
[11:16:57] * jthornton justs wants a 1 for his birthday
[11:17:21] <XXCoder> jthornton: okay, here it is 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[11:17:30] <XXCoder> good for year :)
[11:18:44] <jthornton> that's too many I just want one 1
[11:18:51] <XXCoder> 1
[11:18:59] <jthornton> nice
[11:19:13] <jthornton> I hope to see that as the first number on the scale tomorrow
[11:21:26] <XXCoder> cool :)
[11:21:36] <jthornton> this morning I was 1 away from 1
[11:22:44] <jthornton> I've not seen a 1 in decades
[11:23:26] <XXCoder> same
[11:23:31] <XXCoder> in least I never saw 3
[11:23:48] <jthornton> me neither but I got half way to 3 once
[11:24:13] <XXCoder> that'd be one with 1 and 5. ;)
[11:27:58] <XXCoder> I do know what you mean though
[11:28:07] <XXCoder> I havw been at 270s for decades
[11:29:26] <jthornton> I got tired of it and slowly changed my eating habits
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[11:36:30] <XXCoder> nice
[11:37:50] <jthornton> not eating carbs during the day got me the last 20 lbs and I hope the next 20 lbs
[11:38:43] <Sync> when I started training I dipped down and am now over my weight before
[11:38:45] <Sync> damn muscles
[11:42:16] <XXCoder> weight by itself should not be ultimate goal
[11:42:30] <XXCoder> good health + confortable in clothes should be
[11:42:54] <XXCoder> I do want to drop around 40 pounds or so and be healthy, but besides that im fine
[11:43:04] <XXCoder> anyway night
[11:43:22] <jthornton> good night
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[11:48:18] <Jymmm> jthornton: So, don't send you any more recipes?
[11:49:00] <jthornton> I didn't say I quite eating good food... just less of it
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[11:49:26] <plasma_ger> hi is there a pin for reseting the errors
[11:49:48] <skunkworks> what errors?
[11:49:51] <jthornton> I think so if you mean the pop ups in Axis?
[11:49:56] <plasma_ger> yes
[11:50:04] <jthornton> morning skunkworks
[11:50:13] <skunkworks> Good morning!
[11:50:14] <plasma_ger> halui.abort does not do this
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[11:51:59] <skunkworks> ugh http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/axis.html#_axisui_pins
[11:52:07] <jthornton> axisui.notifications-clear
[11:52:07] <skunkworks> not quick enough
[11:52:12] <jthornton> lol
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[11:52:23] <plasma_ger> sorry i closed the frame
[11:52:28] <skunkworks> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/axis.html#_axisui_pins
[11:52:48] <jthornton> axisui.notifications-clear
[11:53:45] <skunkworks> we have been doing the whole30.. lost about 15lbs so far
[11:54:03] <plasma_ger> thanks
[11:54:27] <skunkworks> and about 1 week to go. but it has been good. I feel better.
[11:55:40] <plasma_ger> axisui.notifications-clear' does not exist
[11:55:59] <skunkworks> what version of linuxcnc?
[11:56:04] <plasma_ger> 2.8
[11:56:17] <skunkworks> and you are running the 'axis' gui?
[11:56:24] <plasma_ger> yes
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[11:56:34] <plasma_ger> LINUXCNC - 2.8.0-pre1-1103-gb62f3d3
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[11:57:50] <plasma_ger> sorry again its a miss
[11:58:12] <plasma_ger> closing the mozilla closes the chat
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[11:58:54] <jthornton> run your config and open show hal to view the pins
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[11:59:16] <skunkworks_> 82 bit IN FALSE axisui.notifications-clear
[11:59:18] <skunkworks_> 82 bit IN FALSE axisui.notifications-clear-error
[11:59:19] <skunkworks_> 82 bit IN FALSE axisui.notifications-clear-info
[11:59:21] <skunkworks_> 82 bit IN FALSE axisui.resume-inhibit
[11:59:28] <skunkworks> they show up here
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[11:59:59] <plasma_ger> they show up als here
[12:00:09] <skunkworks> you need to use a post_gui file - they don't get created until after the gui starts.
[12:00:12] <plasma_ger> i did this in the xhc hal
[12:00:24] <plasma_ger> ok
[12:00:41] <jthornton> you need to connect in postgui.hal
[12:00:55] <lair82> Good morning Guys, does look like a decent laptop, to be able to load ubuntu or debian on, I am looking for a laptop, that I can have dual bootable between windows and ubuntu/debian. http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/latit/en/latitude-e6520-specsheet.pdf
[12:00:56] <jthornton> what is whole30?
[12:01:22] <skunkworks> it mainly cuts out proccessed foods, sugar/sweetner, glutin and such
[12:01:47] <skunkworks> it is to find out what your body is reacting to.
[12:02:00] <skunkworks> oh - and dairy
[12:02:03] <jthornton> this is my plan http://gnipsel.com/gravity/index.html
[12:04:31] <Jymmm> Heh, oooops http://fortune.com/2015/07/17/google-sued-for-keeping-cash-balance-on-google-play-gift-cards/
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[12:06:27] <plasma_ger> THANKS it works perfect i did a xhc-hb04 improve with the icons to show action i will mail it to the list
[12:06:33] <plasma_ger> if all is cleard up
[12:06:36] <Tom_itx> i can tell you this works: http://dashdiet.org/default.asp
[12:06:40] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop,
[12:07:32] <plasma_ger> Someone here knowes if mesa products are availabel in Germany
[12:07:48] <jthornton> I would think yes
[12:08:07] <jthornton> I think there is a local supplier of Mesa in the EU
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[12:08:13] <plasma_ger> did not found enything onlychech duzy
[12:08:54] <plasma_ger> the mesa people are here in the chat sometimes
[12:08:55] <jthornton> EuSurplus
[12:09:21] <jthornton> that is emcPT on the forum
[12:12:45] <Tom_itx> jthornton, i mainly did that for BP but you will lose with it
[12:13:22] <jthornton> since I changed my eating habits my BP is down to 120/70
[12:13:36] <Tom_itx> mine is usually close to that now
[12:13:36] <jthornton> as well as riding my mountain bike of course
[12:13:39] <plasma_ger> Thanks BYE
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[12:13:57] <Tom_itx> bottom was close to 100 before
[12:14:05] <Jymmm> ?!
[12:14:08] <jthornton> ouch that is high
[12:14:14] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[12:14:33] * Jymmm slaps a home made AED on Tom_itx
[12:14:37] <jthornton> my wife has high BP
[12:15:02] <Tom_itx> my sis recently had a mild stroke due to it more than likely
[12:15:27] <Tom_itx> it will bring it down if you follow it. no meds
[12:17:28] <Tom_itx> the mrs found it looking on the mayo clinic
[12:17:46] <jthornton> oh crumb debian wheezy only has golang version 1.0.2 and the latest is 1.5
[12:18:12] <Tom_itx> figures
[12:18:45] <jthornton> I wonder if I can get 1.5
[12:19:29] <Jymmm> I read this and went FUCK ME, that's all we need Monsanto creating GMO Beer... "Brewing merger and Monsanto's growth plans--5 things to know today" http://fortune.com/2015/10/07/top-business-news-wednesday-october-7/
[12:20:38] <SpeedEvil> Aww. I misread as GMO bear.
[12:20:52] <Jymmm> that even worse!
[12:23:32] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: But, since you mentioend bears... www.youtube.com/watch?v=PerOmnky0kA
[12:24:38] <SpeedEvil> Dog got balls.
[12:24:55] <Jymmm> Yeah, he does! That just happened this week too =)
[12:25:13] <Jymmm> http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-french-bulldog-3-bears-20151005-story.html
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[12:34:09] <Jymmm> jthornton: WB
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[12:34:38] <Jymmm> Coffee is FINALLY ready! Only took 20 minutes =(
[12:35:18] <norias> mmmmmm
[12:35:20] <norias> coffeee
[12:37:54] <Jymmm> Our coffee maker died earlier this week, so it's been camp coffee ever since. Always tastes damn good, just takes much longer and not as convienant.
[12:40:58] <Jymmm> Damn, 1300 gal per hour?! http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-1007-lopez-water-glutton-20151007-column.html
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[12:46:55] <norias> i saw
[12:46:57] <norias> coffee
[12:47:06] <norias> and 1300 gal per hour
[12:47:17] <Jymmm> hahaha
[12:47:21] <Deejay> too much coffee is not good
[12:47:49] <Jymmm> Deejay: There is no such thing as "too much coffee", maybe "not enough bathrooms" though =)
[12:48:08] <Deejay> hmm. i don't drink any coffee...
[12:48:39] <skunkworks> I never used to. Now I drink a pot a day or so...
[12:49:24] <Jymmm> Heh, coffee here is on 24/7/365 =)
[12:49:29] <Jymmm> pretty much
[12:49:42] <Deejay> you are addicted
[12:49:46] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: 1300 galons an hour may be too much coffee
[12:50:07] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: But they have 12 bathrooms, so it's okey ;)
[12:52:13] <Jymmm> OH, do metal gutter guards work?
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[13:10:45] <ssi> morn
[13:13:11] <Jymmm> in
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[13:16:48] <SpeedEvil> h
[13:18:41] <MacGalempsy> alright we be homing on the y!
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[13:19:48] <ssi> woooo
[13:21:14] <MacGalempsy> yeah, had to pull is apart.
[13:21:35] <MacGalempsy> the metal gaurd was bent in such a way that it was touching, but I couldnt see it while its on
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[13:28:32] <MacGalempsy> anyone else end up watching the gold recovery after watching that mirror making video?
[13:28:47] <MacGalempsy> Iam wondering why these guys arent grinding it all to a powder
[13:29:41] <ssi> I didn't see that video but I have watched a bunch of gold recovery stuff
[13:29:48] <MacGalempsy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZN7TZM6Trg
[13:29:50] <ssi> I Was thinking about trying to do some of that, but I decided it's not worth the hassle
[13:30:01] <MacGalempsy> this guy is using an air hammer to take the boards down
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[13:30:28] <ssi> torch is probably easier
[13:30:35] <MacGalempsy> holy crap he just wasted a mesa 5i25!
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[13:30:42] <MacGalempsy> heh. j/k
[13:30:45] <ssi> lol
[13:30:50] <ssi> there's not much gold in a 5i25
[13:31:10] <ssi> I'm watching it without sound and it's just a bunch of him fondling his chisel
[13:31:21] <MacGalempsy> yeah, he's in love with it
[13:31:24] <ssi> :)
[13:32:08] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIZhDoNOeJk - Friction welding on the drillpress.
[13:32:10] <SpeedEvil> (badly)
[13:32:25] <SpeedEvil> Anyone played with this on non-dedicated machinery with good results?
[13:34:44] <ssi> this is a disaster lol
[13:35:03] <MacGalempsy> haha. he needs to clamp things down
[13:35:16] <CaptHindsight> only when the point of contact is the parts and not the tool
[13:36:23] <CaptHindsight> one part is stationary in the vise, the other is the part in a chuck and the point of contact is only between the two parts
[13:36:27] <SpeedEvil> MacGalempsy: I especially like the clouds of smoke.
[13:36:33] <MacGalempsy> maybe he should just work on welding the bit to the workpiece instead of two things together
[13:36:42] <MacGalempsy> the coughing is nice too
[13:37:07] <MacGalempsy> nothing like a hit off galvanized
[13:37:25] <SpeedEvil> I suspect a smear of flux might help in the way he's trying to do it
[13:38:00] <CaptHindsight> but he has welding of bits to sheets down pretty well, if you need that
[13:38:12] <MacGalempsy> the next video has them doing a butt joint and look at all those clamps
[13:38:18] <MacGalempsy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVxFu5HR98E
[13:38:51] <MacGalempsy> I think the DIY guy was using too much down force and not letting the spinning do the heating
[13:38:58] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzCBQh8B_RY Flow Drilling - Friction Drilling - Form Drilling. Basically, you create your own inserts.
[13:40:01] <SpeedEvil> I think doing it on non-dedicated equipment is going to be limited to very small diameters
[13:40:42] <MacGalempsy> CaptHindsight: that one looks the best so far
[13:40:42] <ssi> what is the advantage of stir welding
[13:40:57] <SpeedEvil> ssi: you don't have to heat it all the way to molten - much lower HAZ
[13:40:59] <ssi> I see
[13:41:55] <SpeedEvil> I note the _massive_ flywheel on the chuck
[13:42:32] <ssi> hey is rolling external threads the same as form tapping?
[13:43:03] <MacGalempsy> we had a thread roller at this bike shop I worked at
[13:43:10] <MacGalempsy> for spokes
[13:43:35] <ssi> I would like to be able to roll 10-32 threads in stainless
[13:44:25] <ssi> I guess it's not the sort of thing you can set up to do on a conventional lathe
[13:44:30] <MacGalempsy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjckF0-VeGI anyone ever drill a square hole?
[13:44:44] <SpeedEvil> Aren't external threads usually rolled using two flat dies?
[13:45:30] <SpeedEvil> maybe that's just for high production - bolts
[13:45:40] <MacGalempsy> rolled would be stronger
[13:45:57] <ssi> I know, that's why I want to be able to do it
[13:46:10] <ssi> flying wires and drag wires on biplanes are stainless with rolled threads
[13:46:18] <SpeedEvil> http://www.formdrill-usa.com/formtap.htm - on that page.
[13:46:23] <SpeedEvil> On the top.
[13:46:24] <ssi> and it'd be nice to be able to make them
[13:46:34] <SpeedEvil> Why would you drill lightening holes in a flywheel?
[13:46:48] <MacGalempsy> balancing?
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[13:46:54] <SpeedEvil> MacGalempsy: naah
[13:47:06] <SpeedEvil> All the way through
[13:47:39] <MacGalempsy> maybe some kind of high performance engine?
[13:47:54] <SpeedEvil> MacGalempsy: it's above. It's a part of a 'formdrill'
[13:48:02] <SpeedEvil> or used with
[13:48:21] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[13:48:27] <ssi> I hate when I put my headphones on to watch a video and it wasn't worth the effort
[13:48:28] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if it could be for heat dissipation
[13:48:29] <MacGalempsy> ah
[13:48:32] <ssi> #firstworldproblems
[13:48:44] <MacGalempsy> I though we were talking abot a car
[13:49:27] <MacGalempsy> what is the price on a formdrill?
[13:49:50] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: 3x more than you want it to be =)
[13:50:27] <MacGalempsy> http://www.formdrill-usa.com/catalog3.htm
[13:50:29] <MacGalempsy> WOW!
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[13:50:52] <ssi> sounds about right :P
[13:51:25] <CaptHindsight> http://vansantent.trick-tools.com/tools/Form-Drill
[13:51:35] <SpeedEvil> Ah yes - 'with cooling fan'
[13:51:42] <MacGalempsy> just grind down an old carbide endmill to a point, and make a collet
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[13:51:51] <MacGalempsy> tool holder
[13:52:53] <CaptHindsight> make a DIY formdrill howto
[13:53:25] <SpeedEvil> Odd thtat there is no pricelist for the bits
[13:53:26] <CaptHindsight> turn your old endmills into cash
[13:53:28] <MacGalempsy> ok. after my other machine is finished
[13:53:45] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: check my link ^^
[13:54:01] <SpeedEvil> oh
[13:54:05] <CaptHindsight> $125-$250
[13:54:16] <MacGalempsy> look at the flywheel in the kit, its different
[13:54:27] <MacGalempsy> looks more like impellers
[13:54:37] <SpeedEvil> yeah - $246 for one bit.
[13:54:47] <SpeedEvil> I'm having at a lump of carbide with an angle-grinder
[13:55:00] <CaptHindsight> kits are $750
[13:55:15] <CaptHindsight> made in the USA!
[13:55:40] <MacGalempsy> amazing. but it reads redneck engineering all over the place
[13:56:23] <Jymmm> MacGalempsy: And your point is?
[13:56:38] <MacGalempsy> amazing that it is made in USA
[13:56:53] <MacGalempsy> but not surprised because we have the best rednecks
[13:57:12] <ssi> I need to find something to spend $5100 on real quick
[13:57:36] <lair82> ssi, you could donate it to me ;)
[13:57:40] <ssi> I could
[13:57:52] <ssi> only if you take credit cards
[13:57:59] <Jymmm> I do =)
[13:58:13] <lair82> Where do I send the info?
[13:58:17] <MacGalempsy> paypal?
[13:58:26] <ssi> I'm not sure paypal will work
[13:58:34] <ssi> I tried to just transfer the money from the card to paypal and it wouldn't let me
[13:58:46] <Jymmm> as cash?
[13:58:52] <ssi> I guess
[13:58:59] <ssi> it's a prepaid card, so it's cash already
[13:59:05] <MacGalempsy> sounds like a good trip to grainger
[13:59:06] <lair82> Why are you trying to spend 5100 real quick?
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[13:59:19] <ssi> because it's on a prepaid card that was tied to an interest bearing savings account
[13:59:24] <ssi> and they randomly closed it and opened a different one
[13:59:28] <ssi> and I have to move the money
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[13:59:32] <CaptHindsight> I have a supply of left handed wrenches for $5100 in metric and imperial, very shiny :)
[13:59:34] <ssi> but it won't let me move it to the new account
[13:59:38] <ssi> so I just need to spend it apparently :)
[13:59:47] <ssi> I was thinking about ordering a 4x8' cncrouterparts.com motion kit
[13:59:55] <lair82> Aaaahhh,
[14:00:20] <ssi> I was planning on trying to build a laser around that kit
[14:00:24] <ssi> but I'm not 100% sure that's the right way to go
[14:00:31] <lair82> I have a 48" metric pipe wrench on sale for $5099, delivered
[14:01:02] <CaptHindsight> lair82: I think those are for tightening only like my wrenches
[14:01:45] <lair82> Very true,
[14:01:46] <MacGalempsy> well gents, its time for me to get out of here. it was fun and see yall later
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[14:02:15] <CaptHindsight> ssi: buy a truckload of t-slot for whatever
[14:02:27] <lair82> With mine, he could still go buy a coke after wards
[14:02:42] <Jymmm> Shasta maybe =)
[14:02:48] <ssi> yeah coke is more than $1 these days
[14:02:57] <ssi> I won't pay a penny over $5097
[14:03:22] <lair82> Oh come on, that shits made down by you, it has to be cheap ;)
[14:03:40] <ssi> headquarters is across the street from me
[14:04:24] <lair82> So they don't have a free refreshment stand on the front of the building, like a self serve pop stand?
[14:04:34] <ssi> not that I'm aware of
[14:05:27] <ssi> maybe I ought to just go ahead and order the laser tube and power supply
[14:05:58] <lair82> Just be careful with this one :)
[14:06:01] <ssi> NEVARRRR
[14:06:35] <lair82> I'm sure your ins guys is probably still a little peeved at you
[14:06:46] <ssi> nah
[14:06:56] <ssi> if it happens again they might be upset :)
[14:07:12] <lair82> Yeah, I bet
[14:07:31] <ssi> hm I wonder if I can get a reci tube on amazon prime :D
[14:07:36] <ssi> hell no
[14:08:18] <lair82> Did you ever end up getting those MB's that I sent to you, I remember those were delivered there after that?
[14:08:26] <ssi> yeah I got them
[14:08:50] <lair82> Ok, I just remembered that
[14:09:02] <ssi> is everything on alibaba.com counterfeit?
[14:09:39] <ssi> or aliexpress?
[14:10:25] <Jymmm> Yeah, unless you like your laser's extra crispy.... http://imgur.com/CJbmq8C
[14:10:47] <ssi> was that a counterfeit tube, or just a cheap one
[14:11:20] <Jymmm> Neither, just just answered the door and walked away from the laser for two minutes.
[14:11:35] <ssi> that's yours?
[14:11:42] <Jymmm> Nope
[14:12:13] <Jymmm> Ins Co denied claim too, so she was out $32K USD
[14:12:29] <ssi> that's rough
[14:12:33] <ssi> what kind of machine is it
[14:12:43] <Jymmm> I think it was ULS
[14:13:36] <Jymmm> http://imgur.com/ALrqkDE
[14:13:55] <ssi> I would just buy a commercial machine if they weren't all worthless shitty corel-draw-plugin crap controls
[14:14:17] <Jymmm> LOL
[14:14:55] <Jymmm> It's actually a printer driver you install
[14:15:02] <ssi> yeah
[14:15:04] <ssi> that's not what I want
[14:15:05] <ssi> at all
[14:15:16] <Jymmm> It works GREAT!
[14:17:46] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coherent-MetaBeam-Laser-Cutting-Machine-400-Watts-Pallet-Changer-Metal-Cutting-/252086089271
[14:18:08] <Jymmm> I don't like being dependent upon M$, but a VM and ethernet print server works awesome!
[14:18:23] <ssi> I flat refuse to use anything that requires me to run windows in any way
[14:18:28] <ssi> except solidworks, because I'm still stuck there
[14:18:48] <Jymmm> by choice =)
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[14:19:01] <ssi> sure, by choice
[14:19:05] <ssi> I choose to have a cad tool to use
[14:19:18] <ssi> I also choose not to further encumber my life with windows bullshit
[14:19:24] <ssi> especially in the shop
[14:20:33] <ssi> so I need to find someone who has a reci 80, 100, or 130w tube that ships from the us
[14:20:41] <ssi> always a difficult task :(
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[14:21:01] <Jymmm> Not really =)
[14:21:05] <ssi> point me
[14:21:10] <ssi> I used lightobject before
[14:21:14] <ssi> but they don't have them in stock currently
[14:21:14] <ssi> http://www.lightobject.com/High-Quality-Reci-100W-S4-CO2-Sealed-Laser-Tube-10000hrs-P119.aspx
[14:23:03] <ssi> I'm not really willing to spend $600 on shipping
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[14:23:33] <SpeedEvil> So wait
[14:23:51] <ssi> that's sort of at odds with the "gotta spend this money" goal
[14:23:52] <ssi> ;)
[14:24:27] <SpeedEvil> Also, the 100W shows as in stock
[14:24:44] <ssi> in stock in china
[14:24:45] <ssi> Please note: The RECI S4 100W laser tube is curently out of stock in our U.S warehouse. All customers need to choose " HK outbound" as shippping method as we will ship the tube directly to our customers by DHL express from our warehouse in China. It will take 3-4 weeks for the package to be delivered after the order is placed.
[14:24:48] <SpeedEvil> ah
[14:24:56] <ssi> $200 shipping from cali, $600 shipping from china
[14:26:11] <SpeedEvil> http://www.lightobject.com/SPT-C130-130W-CO2-Sealed-Laser-Tube-P966.aspx
[14:26:16] <SpeedEvil> does not say it ships from china
[14:26:40] <ssi> yeah none of the spt tubes say whether they're shipping locally
[14:26:57] <ssi> I'd really prefer a reci, these even claim 25% of the lifespan
[14:27:02] <CaptHindsight> $200 would cover it being trucked on a pallet from Cali
[14:27:04] <ssi> half the price for 25% of the lifespan
[14:27:13] <SpeedEvil> you Click add to cart, and see
[14:27:41] <SpeedEvil> Or DIY
[14:28:04] * SpeedEvil ponders a nice hot TEA.
[14:28:36] <ssi> http://rabbitlaserusa.com/WebShop/index.html
[14:28:50] <ssi> hm their 80W tube is a reci Z2 I'm pretty sure, and they're claiming $75 shipping
[14:28:53] <ssi> that's not horrible
[14:29:29] <SpeedEvil> i just got 10 1800mm tubes for $200
[14:29:35] <SpeedEvil> but - admittedly not lasers.
[14:33:14] <ssi> hey now we're talking
[14:33:14] <ssi> http://laser-depot-usa.com/reci-s4-100w-1400mm-laser-tube-free-shipping-191
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[14:38:57] <ssi> lol, $14,995 for a machine, and they have a zero % in house financing program
[14:39:01] <Jymmm> dont forget the PS
[14:39:02] <ssi> $11,595 down and 12 payments of $700/mo
[14:39:02] <ssi> lol
[14:39:56] <ssi> lots of bad shit on the internet about the guy that runs that site
[14:40:01] <ssi> he's had like three different laser companies
[14:40:10] <ssi> takes peoples' money and bankrupts the company, starts a new one
[14:41:14] <Jymmm> Lovely
[14:42:31] <ssi> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/complaint-and-praise-discussions/199700-software.html
[14:42:56] <Jymmm> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/hurricane-laser/143439-sketchiness-surrounding-hurricane-lasers-4.html
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[14:43:46] <ssi> maybe I should fly to vegas and try to buy it in person :P
[14:44:01] <Jymmm> The address is a box =)
[14:44:57] <ssi> bleh I'll just email lightobject and see when they intend to have stock in the us
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[14:45:05] <ssi> they treated me well the first time around
[14:45:37] <CaptHindsight> toy SCARA https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1849283018/makerarm-the-first-robotic-arm-that-makes-anything
[14:46:16] <ssi> cute
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[14:49:45] <ssi> CaptHindsight: are there other commercial on demand 3d printing companies besides shapeways that you're aware of?
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[14:50:36] <CaptHindsight> ssi: lots
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[14:51:18] <ssi> I have a customer that wants me to do solid models of all the parts they're working on, and 3d print fitment prototypes
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[14:51:33] <ssi> but most of them are bigger than the build volume of my machine, and awkward to 3d print on a reprap style machine
[14:52:06] <ssi> I'm trying to find info on the shapeways site about what their max part size is
[14:52:07] <SpeedEvil> ssi: where are you?
[14:52:10] <ssi> atlanta
[14:52:39] <ssi> bleh I should have exported an stl at home before I left
[14:52:44] <ssi> don't have solidworks installed here
[14:52:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.additive3d.com/sbcisel.htm
[14:53:30] <ssi> https://www.citim-am.com
[14:53:37] <ssi> damn if I could get sls aluminum parts made that'd be awesome
[14:53:54] <ssi> probably prohibitively expensive
[14:54:39] <SpeedEvil> 3d printed aluminium with integrated anodisign
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[14:58:31] <Roguish> ssi: 3d print the parts in pieces and glue them together. I've done it in the past for large parts. works fine.
[14:59:02] <ssi> yeah, I will if I have to
[14:59:06] <Roguish> or build a large 3D printer.
[14:59:15] <ssi> but for the hourly rate that he's paying me to do this, it'd probably be cheaper to contract the prints
[14:59:36] <Roguish> hopefully you can pass thru the cost plus a markup.
[14:59:45] <ssi> yeah definitely
[15:00:10] <ssi> I'm pretty sure commercial prints will be cheaper than me screwing with trying to cut the models into pieces and glue them up
[15:02:18] <CaptHindsight> ssi: what sizes are the parts? roughly
[15:02:41] <ssi> the biggest one I looked at was about 11" wide by 3" deep by 7" tall
[15:02:53] <ssi> and they're fuel manifolds, mostly round, no good flat base to start with on a lot of them
[15:03:49] <ssi> this is the only one I have drawn so far
[15:03:49] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQuRyK4WcAAhlMW.png:large
[15:03:58] <ssi> I started with it because it's one of the easier ones for me to print
[15:04:09] <ssi> flat base, minimum overhang, fits within my volume
[15:04:14] <ssi> although might be too tall actually
[15:04:19] <ssi> it's about 5.5" tall :/
[15:04:26] <ssi> 2" od tubing
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[15:05:31] <CaptHindsight> you typically add supports to parts that you break away after
[15:05:49] <ssi> yeah I know
[15:06:07] <ssi> but for instance, one of the parts is 11" long and has three downward facing flanges from a central manifold
[15:06:13] <ssi> and the flanges are all at different Z depths
[15:06:22] <ssi> that's gonna be an asshole to print unless I do it in sections
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[15:10:00] <CaptHindsight> SLA with water soluble resin and investment cast in aluminum
[15:10:14] <ssi> SLA with water soluble resin is enough alone
[15:10:20] <ssi> cast aluminum won't do for the final part anyway
[15:10:29] <ssi> the prints are just for fitment
[15:10:40] <ssi> these are fuel fittings for a 737
[15:10:51] <CaptHindsight> whats the actual material for the final parts?
[15:10:57] <CaptHindsight> ah
[15:11:00] <ssi> 6061-T4, welded and heat treated
[15:11:12] <ssi> yes, the prints specify T4, and no we can't use T6
[15:11:17] <ssi> :P
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[15:11:33] <anomynous_> can aluminium be heat treated? ;D
[15:11:36] <ssi> absolutely
[15:11:40] <anomynous_> what does it do?
[15:11:48] <ssi> same thing it does in steel
[15:11:53] <ssi> changes the hardness and ductility
[15:13:24] <anomynous_> less dramatic change? Can it be done with a torch? ;D
[15:13:37] <ssi> aluminum has to be pretty carefully controlled
[15:13:47] <ssi> and this is aerospace parts, so no I don't think doing it with a torch is gonna cut it :)
[15:14:01] <anomynous_> do they provide similar heat treating manuals they do for some steels?
[15:14:07] <ssi> I imagine so
[15:14:12] <anomynous_> torch is absolutely fine for aerospace parts
[15:14:13] <anomynous_> ;D
[15:14:21] <ssi> not according to the regs
[15:14:25] <Jymmm> ssi: table saw with carbide tip blade =)
[15:14:46] <ssi> Jymmm: eh?
[15:15:00] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICub GPL cable-bot. Has a creepy head, but seems to be legit otherwise.
[15:15:26] <ssi> ganzuul: neat
[15:16:19] <Jymmm> creepy head indeed
[15:16:46] <Jymmm> ganzuul: almost a young ssi.
[15:16:54] <ssi> man I'm way creepier than that
[15:17:18] <ganzuul> lol
[15:17:29] <ganzuul> svn co https://svn.robotology.eu/repos/iCubHardware-pub/trunk/mechanics/
[15:18:07] <ganzuul> Maybe I can mass-produce these for my ninja robot army.
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[15:18:19] <ganzuul> A tiny ninja robot army, but...
[15:18:25] <Jymmm> ganzuul: Here is a pic of ssi at a young age... http://imgur.com/AvPA4cU
[15:18:51] <ganzuul> I think that little gremlin visits my machine too...
[15:22:50] <Jymmm> What a beautiful map, and it's not google either for a change http://www.cnrfc.noaa.gov/google.php?type=QPF
[15:23:17] <Jymmm> and fast too
[15:24:05] <fenn> someone built my tensegrity hexapod idea: http://youtu.be/cJCsomGwdk0
[15:24:54] <ssi> fenn: that's pretty cool
[15:24:55] <fenn> 350kW of cable winches
[15:25:21] <ssi> looks like it's begging to be a flight sim
[15:26:37] <ssi> hm you know, I actually have a room to build one in
[15:26:43] <ssi> 60x60x20'
[15:26:51] <Jymmm> More like begging to be a attraction ride at $20-$40 a pop =)
[15:27:08] <fenn> don't need a room, just a big pit and some concrete pylons
[15:27:22] <ssi> couple years ago I thought about building a four cable bot for a load positioner
[15:27:31] <ssi> like a super flexible gantry crane
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[15:28:45] <ssi> Wolf_: you here?
[15:28:52] <Wolf_> yo
[15:29:00] <ssi> I just opened up that stmbl project in eagle
[15:29:08] <ssi> have you messed with the designlink stuff in eagle?
[15:29:15] <ssi> it shows me the bom with PRICES
[15:29:19] <Wolf_> not really
[15:29:48] <Wolf_> hmm
[15:29:52] <ssi> this is pretty cool
[15:30:28] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQuX5XXXAAA-SDI.jpg:large
[15:31:26] <ganzuul> 4.7H? Is that correct?
[15:31:27] <ssi> I think it's using newark for prices tho :P
[15:31:37] <archivist> the toy calibrating a stylus https://youtu.be/8XIscw-ciEg
[15:31:57] <ssi> ganzuul: no it's 4.7 uH
[15:31:59] <Wolf_> yeah, that might work,but the damn BOM still won’t print right lol
[15:32:30] <ganzuul> Oh, right. The itemized list is wrong.
[15:33:10] <ganzuul> I was thinking that must be huge, and incorporating some tech I'm not privvy to. And mispriced.
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[15:35:06] <Wolf_> ssi: that tool only does one part at a time lol
[15:36:22] <ssi> hm
[15:36:47] <Wolf_> its only searching the part value
[15:39:52] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjNOe1yphDg
[15:40:15] <CaptHindsight> archivist: you found the secret to unlock the software?
[15:40:28] <ssi> linuxcnc edm?!
[15:40:38] <archivist> CaptHindsight, no, just the secret to calibrating a stylus
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[15:41:02] <archivist> shite software in the extreme
[15:42:26] <archivist> note how it goes around the sphere from multiple directions, most I see in here seem to expect a single probing direction
[15:42:38] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4CGqzhOXpA
[15:42:48] <ganzuul> EDM not submerged...? :o
[15:43:25] <Wolf_> I watched that same vid yesterday lol
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[15:46:22] <ssi> skunkworks: that's pretty impressive
[15:47:53] <skunkworks> he must be measuring spark voltage and using adaptive feed
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[15:56:17] <cradek> it cuts very fast!
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[16:19:12] <JT-Shop> well crumb, I removed an important package by mistake and now I can't get past the log in screen in the beercave
[16:19:43] <skunkworks> ctl-alt-f1?
[16:19:54] <JT-Shop> I'll go try it
[16:26:11] <Tom_itx> just requires the secret beercave password
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[16:41:38] * jthornton just learned not to edit /etc/environment
[16:46:04] <Jymmm> LMAO https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=K3a8dTtc4Zo#t=160
[16:46:52] <archivist> I have learned that win8 is a barsteward to fix when the owner didnt make a usb OS backup
[17:02:07] <Jymmm> archivist: I'm surprised that _YOU_ are still using M$
[17:05:40] * JT-Shop can't even get office to print a stupid envelope without crashing
[17:06:12] <Wolf_> office works fine for me, Oh wait, I’m on mac… :P
[17:06:24] <JT-Shop> my mac is broken
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[17:09:51] * JT-Shop wishes linux could print an envelope
[17:10:20] <cradek> dude get a selectric
[17:10:21] <Wolf_> get a dymo label printer
[17:10:30] <JT-Shop> I have one
[17:10:31] <cradek> heh
[17:10:43] <JT-Shop> of each
[17:11:54] <MrSunshine> http://hackaday.com/2015/10/07/arms-and-fpgas-make-for-interesting-dev-boards/ the new board for linuxcnc? =)
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[17:23:01] <ganzuul> $150 isn't bad for those specs.
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[17:26:06] <archivist> Jymmm, I am fixing other peoples crap
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[17:32:16] <ganzuul> One of those oscillating multi-tools that hardware stores are hawking could be used as a power-scraper, right?
[17:35:13] <Wolf_> braze a bit to a sawzall blade?
[17:36:06] <Wolf_> fucker, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Renishaw-probe-/272008962013?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=VSo8kX9yXwQHjdHEcPp7LHgOj4U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc I put that on my watch list last night and the SOB relisted it this morning....
[17:39:45] <C_P-Away> Sup wolf.
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[17:40:53] <Wolf_> not much
[17:41:05] <ganzuul> Wolf_: Maybe... Looking for something less ear-splitting loud which still isn't manual labor.
[17:41:36] <Wolf_> HAH
[17:42:22] <Wolf_> oscillating tool is way louder then a sawzall
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[17:43:01] <archivist> metal scraping is a manual process, dont need no power tool
[17:43:23] <archivist> actually makes a poor job of it
[17:43:30] <Wolf_> unless you are starting with a sieg, then ya might as well mill it first :P
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[17:44:06] <archivist> you can be assured of oils grooves with a power scraper
[17:44:15] <Wolf_> man I’m pissed that I missed that renishaw for $150 :/
[17:44:21] <ganzuul> hm
[17:44:49] <archivist> just keep watching, I have found cheap renishaw :)
[17:45:34] <Wolf_> it was listed as bid only last night… they re-listed as buy it now this morning sometime
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[17:46:01] <lair82_> Does anyone know if the Carousel component is in the 2.7 release, or do I need to be running master?
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[17:49:33] <Contract_Pilot> Could not help myself orderd 7 of them 48V PSU's.
[17:49:46] <Wolf_> haha
[17:50:28] <Contract_Pilot> They are now out of stock. http://www.walmart.com/ip/46914656
[17:50:47] <Wolf_> still waiting for mine to get here
[17:51:05] <Contract_Pilot> I am still waiting on 3 motors and drivers haha
[17:51:13] <Contract_Pilot> 2 should have been here today.
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[17:51:35] <Contract_Pilot> Need to locate good tray cable.
[17:58:26] <Contract_Pilot> May rob them for parts.
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[18:09:34] <Contract_Pilot> Looking at the Circuit on mine they using 200V caps they should be Min 220V or better 250V
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[18:21:33] <Wolf_> the psu?
[18:23:41] <archivist> for 120 in 200vw is quite safe as straight rectified from mains is 169.68
[18:24:02] <fenn> they have a 110/220V switch on the side
[18:24:44] <archivist> I have seen caps in series in some of the psus over here
[18:26:10] <ganzuul> http://conradhoffman.com/stellite.htm
[18:26:13] * ganzuul wants
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[18:28:05] <furrywolf> that page would be a lot more readable without that background image.
[18:29:51] <ganzuul> I kinda like nice Web 1.0 pages.
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[18:30:22] <ganzuul> furrywolf: Do you have an IPS or a TN panel?
[18:30:55] * furrywolf has no idea what that is
[18:33:43] <ganzuul> Different LCD panel technologies. IPS has a picture quality comparable to CRTs, but more power consumption and more $$$.
[18:33:59] <furrywolf> I have an LCD. :P
[18:34:05] * furrywolf has no idea what type
[18:34:19] <ganzuul> Does the brightness change with viewing angle?
[18:34:40] <archivist> I have an EIZO and that site looked ok to me
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[18:35:01] <furrywolf> it's a 13" laptop lcd...
[18:36:55] <ganzuul> No wonder you're so grumpy!
[18:37:34] <furrywolf> ?
[18:38:31] <ganzuul> Cramped.
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[18:41:02] <ganzuul> Was thinking, about that robotic monitor arm; might be a cool VR-like thing given headtracking. A moving window.
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[18:41:51] <ganzuul> Since people gather a lot of depth data with small movements of the head, the sense of depth should be convincing enough.
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[19:01:51] <aventtini6> hello hello
[19:02:13] <aventtini6> today first milling parts test
[19:02:21] <aventtini6> video
[19:02:23] <aventtini6> :)))
[19:03:07] <furrywolf> I need to build my electronics enclosure so I can do more milling... but have too many other projects.
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[19:18:00] <furrywolf> so, I'm looking at a harbor freight heavy-duty battery switch. "1000 amp surge at 12V, 500 amp surge at 24V" seems to be the entirety of its specs. huh? no continuous current rating? and why does the surge rating depend on voltage, something normally only applied to interruption ratings?
[19:20:37] <ganzuul> Joule heating should go down with amperage...
[19:20:43] <ganzuul> But that's wattage.
[19:21:15] <furrywolf> heh, found a review of it which states "MAX. CONTINUOUS CURRENT: 150 AMPS @ 12V"
[19:21:25] <furrywolf> which is pathetic. harbor freight!
[19:22:12] <ganzuul> Electric breakdown of air is ~ 1 000 000 V/m.
[19:23:18] <furrywolf> heating only has to do with the amperage through the switch, not the voltage it's floating at. as far as the switch cares, unless the voltage is so high it arcs to the mounting screws, 1000A at 12V and 1000A at 1200V are the same... as long as the switch it closed. it's when you open the switch that voltage-dependent things happen.
[19:23:53] <furrywolf> in any case, that forum review answered my main question... 150A. my Blue Sea one is rated for 250A continuous. so that's the one I'm using!
[19:24:08] <furrywolf> s/forum/product
[19:24:09] <ganzuul> Might be you're using longer cables at 24V...
[19:24:27] <ganzuul> But that doesn't account for flyback effects, still.
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[19:25:07] <ganzuul> ~wires
[19:25:24] <PetefromTn_> hey dudes!
[19:25:28] <ganzuul> \o/
[19:25:38] <PetefromTn_> :)
[19:25:53] <furrywolf> ...
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[19:26:40] <ganzuul> Pete, I found open source robot stuff.
[19:26:51] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICub
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[19:27:12] <ganzuul> It has the same drive mechanism for the shoulder that WAM arm has.
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[19:27:52] <ganzuul> ...the download for the CAD files is hueg. HUEG \o/
[19:27:54] <PetefromTn_> thats cool man but I don't know jack about robots..
[19:28:17] <PetefromTn_> my wife HATES any robot that is designed to mimic human beings
[19:28:30] <ganzuul> You talked about a paining robot.
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[19:28:34] <PetefromTn_> maybe she watched Irobot one too many times
[19:28:35] <ganzuul> ~painting
[19:28:43] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah I was just kidding LOL
[19:29:00] <ganzuul> :p
[19:29:02] <furrywolf> speaking of robots, anyone have a picture or more info on the one tjtr33 is giving away? his forum post is lacking such.
[19:29:08] <JT-Shop2> what's the quick key to launch a terminal?
[19:29:42] <ganzuul> ctrl+esc give you anything?
[19:30:07] <JT-Shop2> no
[19:30:11] <PetefromTn_> wanna see my weld attempts today?
[19:30:18] <JT-Shop2> yea
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[19:30:23] * furrywolf wants to take a nap
[19:30:35] * JT-Shop2 wonders when he sees the word attempts
[19:30:37] <PetefromTn_> I had to modify an existing down tube for a built RX7
[19:30:39] <ganzuul> Ctrl+esc usually does things...
[19:30:51] <PetefromTn_> they put a different turbo on it
[19:30:55] <ganzuul> In the GUI that is.
[19:31:02] <furrywolf> another fucking dark gloomy day. I hate dark gloomy days!
[19:31:05] <PetefromTn_> so the downtube had to be extended and angled somewhat to make it fit
[19:31:52] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/7478JOR
[19:32:24] <JT-Shop2> looks more than an attempt
[19:32:37] <JT-Shop2> you did that without a rotary?
[19:32:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah by hand
[19:32:52] <JT-Shop2> wow
[19:33:11] <ganzuul> nice
[19:33:13] * furrywolf checks craigslist for a tig welder. still none.
[19:33:22] <PetefromTn_> had to put the pipe vertically clamped in my old CNC vise so I could access it and then I spun it around on the welding table
[19:33:51] <PetefromTn_> looks okay you think? I am REALLY trying to improve my welding skills for these guys...
[19:34:20] <JT-Shop2> looks good to me
[19:34:32] <JT-Shop2> I wish I could see good enough to tig that nice
[19:34:52] <PetefromTn_> I wear reading glasses LOL
[19:34:54] <aventtini6> guys https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=JpMgOIIz3jw
[19:35:03] <aventtini6> first tests
[19:35:10] <aventtini6> 0,001 on all axis
[19:35:12] <JT-Shop2> me too and I have a special pair for tig welding
[19:35:13] <aventtini6> :))
[19:35:25] <furrywolf> I can see fine... my paws just don't do what I want them to do.
[19:35:33] <PetefromTn_> hey thats my youtube channel
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[19:35:48] <ganzuul> aventtini6: not right link
[19:36:18] <aventtini6> its private?
[19:36:52] <aventtini6> with liniar scales
[19:36:52] <ganzuul> No, it's an edit link. Not a view link
[19:36:59] <aventtini6> aaa
[19:37:08] <aventtini6> https://youtu.be/JpMgOIIz3jw
[19:37:45] <Jymmm> archivist: Hey, I found an EXCELLENT use for those old computers you have laying around... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yEu2R1gYSs
[19:37:45] <Contract_Pilot> just got 10more of them driver deals this time 8.00ea
[19:38:06] <Contract_Pilot> So far they just send you whatever motor.
[19:38:22] <furrywolf> whatever motor? lol
[19:39:25] <aventtini6> old computer has gold
[19:39:29] <aventtini6> :)))
[19:39:38] <Praesmeodymium> aww I missed em today
[19:39:47] <aventtini6> 15 cpu 1,2 grams of gold
[19:39:51] <aventtini6> :))
[19:40:01] <JT-Shop2> PetefromTn_, think of any more restaurants in your area?
[19:40:02] <Jymmm> that much?
[19:40:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: Where in TN
[19:40:38] <JT-Shop2> east
[19:40:40] <Praesmeodymium> Contract_Pilot: at 8$ deals are they sending nema 17's or nema 8's or what
[19:40:54] <XXCoder> nema0.01
[19:40:59] <aventtini6> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lXd85YfcvY
[19:41:02] <aventtini6> :))))
[19:41:08] <Contract_Pilot> The same part number i got nema23 425oz
[19:41:10] <ganzuul> aventtini6: What are you making? :)
[19:41:22] <aventtini6> injection molds
[19:41:24] <Jymmm> JT-Shop2: http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=&find_loc=tn&ns=1
[19:41:27] <Praesmeodymium> aventtini6: grats on getting it running
[19:41:39] <aventtini6> yep it was a hard stuff
[19:41:56] <aventtini6> still did not fix the ffff scale on the xhc04
[19:41:58] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxEhxjvifyY on ebay SSRs
[19:42:02] <Praesmeodymium> I mean I had nothing to do with it but its not often I see a ty video posted lol
[19:42:06] <aventtini6> but it works perfect
[19:42:15] <Contract_Pilot> Drivers ar M542 V2.0 and look to be built well.
[19:42:20] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop man there are hundreds of decent restaurants up there just depends on what you want to eat..
[19:42:33] <aventtini6> next is maho , bever , huron , and i think kryle
[19:42:34] <XXCoder> aventtini6: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/smiley_faces.png heh
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[19:42:50] <aventtini6> :)))
[19:43:07] <JT-Shop2> if I'm gone for 2 hrs then that didn't work...
[19:43:14] <aventtini6> im still missing a large motor on my huron
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[19:43:25] <aventtini6> hope some one change it and scarp it
[19:43:35] <Praesmeodymium> ahh I bought 2 nema 8's for an actual project, and they sent me one and refunded the other one, the 4 nema 23 appear to be arriving today
[19:43:40] <JT-Shop> pizza
[19:44:00] <JT-Shop> from a real pizza oven
[19:44:35] <PetefromTn_> hm I have not bought pizza up there but I am sure there is probably a good one...will have to research here abit
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[19:45:40] <JT-Shop> ok, that and any favorites you have
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[19:46:15] <Contract_Pilot> Cool.
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[19:46:45] <Contract_Pilot> Lets hope they send the 10 i just orderd.
[19:46:53] <Contract_Pilot> Check New Egg also
[19:46:57] <PetefromTn_> there is a place called no way jose's across from the Ripley's aquarium of the smokies that is pretty cool
[19:47:04] <PetefromTn_> if you like Mexican food
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[19:47:37] <JT-Shop2> yep, I like Mexican and Korean and Italian and and
[19:48:01] <PetefromTn_> There is a Hard Rock Cafe up there and Joe's Crab Shack is in Pigeon Forge
[19:48:17] <JT-Shop> joe's is good
[19:48:20] <PetefromTn_> I really like Joe's Crab Shack for the crab
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[19:48:24] <Contract_Pilot> I keep spending my Mesa Money.
[19:49:02] <Contract_Pilot> Same part number newegg they sent a 425oz not 78oz
[19:49:55] <ganzuul> The iCub CAD files total 9.1GB. o_O
[19:50:14] <JT-Shop> no way jose is in pigeon forge or gatlinburg?
[19:51:30] <Contract_Pilot> I have found with newegg that not all items show up.
[19:51:38] <PetefromTn_> actually Both LOL
[19:51:40] <Contract_Pilot> from the seller
[19:51:56] <JT-Shop> which one is closer to wear valley?
[19:51:56] <Contract_Pilot> If you bookmark the item it will show.
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[19:54:01] <aventtini6> guy any sprutcam?
[19:55:08] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Motors-Drivers-Walmart-1024x576.jpg
[19:55:32] <XXCoder> all same mounts?
[19:55:37] <XXCoder> *size
[19:55:59] <Contract_Pilot> Except for the middle it was suposed to be a Nema34 they sent a 24 hahah
[19:57:04] <Contract_Pilot> the large one on the left was listed as a 78oz but showed up as a 425oz so i orderd 10 more hoping they send 425oz
[19:58:20] <CaptHindsight> and not 7.8oz :)
[19:58:24] <Contract_Pilot> But sold my old lathe motor today so spent that money.
[19:58:48] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, the drivers are worth 8.00
[19:59:12] <ganzuul> http://imgur.com/gallery/uLOao3O
[19:59:16] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Sumtor-elec-microstep-driver-MB450A-AKA-M542-1024x576.jpg
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[20:07:55] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, you ever eat at Gepetto�s
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[20:09:05] <CaptHindsight> Contract_Pilot: how much are the steppers ea?
[20:09:54] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/iuwg1Qk Just arrived!!
[20:09:54] <CaptHindsight> oh nevermind $8
[20:10:40] <JT-Shop> yea I love my Maritool face mill
[20:10:52] <PetefromTn_> oh you have one too?!
[20:10:57] <PetefromTn_> which one?
[20:11:59] <JT-Shop> one just like that and 2 2.5" mills
[20:11:59] <CaptHindsight> https://www.maritool.com/45-Degree-Shell-Mill prices aren't bad
[20:12:21] <JT-Shop> quality is excellent
[20:12:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah prices are really good actually
[20:12:53] <PetefromTn_> looking forward to getting the inserts and giving it a whirl
[20:13:17] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: where do they ship from?
[20:13:54] <PetefromTn_> honestly I don't know
[20:14:04] <CaptHindsight> heh, I thought they were familiar, just outside Chicago
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[20:14:18] <CaptHindsight> https://www.maritool.com/contact_us.php
[20:14:28] <PetefromTn_> I am understanding it is US made apparently
[20:14:48] <Contract_Pilot> Even with a dented capacitor the 48V PSU is running strong.
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[20:16:10] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, you ever eat at Gepetto�s
[20:16:54] <PetefromTn_> no I have not but I think I have driven by it.
[20:17:10] <JT-Shop> lol
[20:17:19] <JT-Shop> http://www.visitmysmokies.com/blog/smoky-mountains/5-wears-valley-restaurants-didnt-know/
[20:17:27] <JT-Shop> I was reading that blog
[20:17:49] <PetefromTn_> here in maryville there is bella roma's and it is decent and there is a Metro pizza which is good too
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[20:29:03] <kanzure> CaptHindsight: chemist is in the hplus channel at the moment if you have good questions to throw his way
[20:29:30] <ganzuul> "Made from alloy steel for excellent vibration control " What does this mean? What sort of alloy does that?
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[20:35:26] <ganzuul> ...Is it bullpoop?
[20:35:33] <Contract_Pilot> I am tired coffee not working
[20:36:25] <XXCoder> Contract_Pilot: it is because coffee "wears down" with often use. your body get used to it
[20:36:38] <XXCoder> thats why i dont drink coffee
[20:38:07] <Contract_Pilot> need to get motovated to get these sherline machines wired up.
[20:38:36] <Contract_Pilot> Have all the parts i may just use some Cat 5 to get it going temp.
[20:39:12] <Contract_Pilot> Another junk store may have a 19" rack mount case.
[20:39:34] <Contract_Pilot> Woke up feeling like crud
[20:40:42] <Contract_Pilot> Wonder how well these steppers will work.
[20:43:56] <JT-Shop> sure wish I could figure out how to add user/local/bin/go/bin to the path
[20:48:41] <cradek_> why are you in that situation? something's gone all wrong.
[20:48:57] <JT-Shop> I want to us golang 1.5
[20:49:09] <cradek_> oh, not packaged?
[20:49:28] <JT-Shop> no, I get 1.0.1 or something like that
[20:50:05] <cradek_> sigh
[20:50:42] <JT-Shop> hmm wheezy-backports has 1.3.3
[20:50:49] <JT-Shop> that might be new enough
[20:50:57] <ganzuul> JT-Shop, PetefromTn_: Are those Maritools denser than carbon or low alloy steel?
[20:51:38] <JT-Shop> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/golang
[20:51:47] <JT-Shop> dunno what they are...
[20:52:16] <ganzuul> If it's 18% tungsten, maybe on can tell?
[20:52:47] <cradek_> it'd sure be better to use those packages
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[20:57:09] <PetefromTn_> no idea man just got it LOL
[20:57:52] <MrSunshine> the new trajectory planer in 2.7, what are the benefits ?
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[20:59:18] <cradek> gcode with lots of short moves can run faster
[21:00:16] <ganzuul> But I want to know its secrets!
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[21:05:13] <MacGalempsy> good afternoon
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[21:07:53] <ganzuul> harro
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[21:13:50] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:18:37] <JT-Shop> finally got it!
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[21:24:03] <ganzuul> Me too!
[21:24:05] <ganzuul> http://www.atlasfdry.com/grayiron-damping.htm
[21:39:03] <furrywolf> cradek: g-code with a few long moves can run a lot faster too... someone in here had a very simple test case where 2.6.8 was exact-stopping for absolutely no reason at segments of a circle. 2.7 fixed it.
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[21:45:57] <PetefromTn_> Finally got what?
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[21:47:05] <lottefang> hi,every body
[21:48:08] <lottefang> Does usb4rt or usb20rt really works for linuxcnc?
[21:48:45] <furrywolf> as far as I know, no USB anything works with linuxcnc. it's a fundamental issue with USB, that it doesn't have real-time performance.
[21:49:45] <JT-Shop> well a USB mouse and keyboard work
[21:50:16] * furrywolf bets jt-shop wouldn't notice 50ms jitter. :)
[21:50:41] <JT-Shop> only if I'm awake
[21:50:52] <PCW> you might notice on a jog wheel
[21:51:07] <furrywolf> in any case, I haven't personally tested it - that's just what has been answered every time someone asks about USB... I think PCW has said it's not worth trying to make usb motion boards because of it.
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[21:53:28] <Wolf_> my usb joystick aka ghetto pendant works good
[21:53:32] <PCW> That's my opinion after having made USB motion devices. In addition to being hard to make real time, its electrically fussy
[21:53:34] <PCW> and may go away for seconds at a time during noise triggered enumeration events
[21:54:08] <furrywolf> yes. I have frequent random USB resets on some systems. high-quality cables help, but nothing ever seems to completely eliminate them.
[21:54:09] <PetefromTn_> that's Baaad
[21:54:18] <furrywolf> my hp printer likes reconnecting every few hours...
[21:54:55] <PCW> its probably possible to make USB real time but why bother, for motion, Ethernet is better is just about every way
[21:55:12] <PCW> in just
[21:55:27] <furrywolf> once I had an issue where my usb sound device would reset every time my fridge switched off... yay weird interference issues.
[21:56:07] <furrywolf> and linux handles usb devices reconnecting surprisingly poorly, often giving them a different device name.
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[21:58:38] <lottefang> OK,Thanks a lot for your opinions. Ethernet is better than USB device.
[21:59:01] <furrywolf> now if only mesa would restock those ethernet devices... :)
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[22:02:54] <lottefang> mesa is great.but we (in china) can't find them on out markets...
[22:05:14] <furrywolf> found a paper testing usb for realtime... they concluded it was unsuitable due to extremely bad jitter, with many transactions randomly taking 30+ms, the worst 55ms.
[22:06:13] <furrywolf> which means my random pulled-from-ass guess of 50ms wasn't bad. lol
[22:10:24] <lottefang> so,even if we reprogram usb's driver on RTAI or xenomai. The performance will not be better.Right?
[22:11:33] <lottefang> It is the hardware problem...
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[22:15:48] <CaptHindsight> lottefang: it's the USB standard not the kernel
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[22:17:14] <lottefang> I see.
[22:17:25] <lottefang> Tanks
[22:18:05] <CaptHindsight> 55ms is actually pretty good on USB, that must have been on a quiet dedicated port
[22:18:44] <furrywolf> yes
[22:19:35] <furrywolf> bbl, errands
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[22:21:43] <lottefang> I found a motion card with 4 axis and based on ethernet bus. only for 235$.
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[22:23:19] <lottefang> https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z0d.6639537.1997196601.54.OsZdNt&id=45420690437
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[22:24:20] <lottefang> this is the link.
[22:26:05] <lottefang> sorry it's written in chinese.But I wish the picture will please you.
[22:29:56] <Contract_Pilot> When you need wire and all the locals only sell 1,000 spools
[22:30:45] <Wolf_> amazon lol
[22:32:30] <Contract_Pilot> yea, takes a long time
[22:32:54] <Wolf_> my stuff is always here in 2 days
[22:33:08] <Wolf_> sameday/next day if I use mom’s address lol
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[22:34:19] <Praesmeodymium> the motors I got matched the description they are 255oz holding torque nema 23's and I got the same purty mb540a drivers
[22:34:35] <Wolf_> :(
[22:34:45] <Wolf_> I should have ordered some of them
[22:35:21] <Praesmeodymium> apperantly Contract_Pilot found another deal today and got 10 more
[22:35:30] <Praesmeodymium> his google fu was better than mine
[22:35:39] <Wolf_> 48v psu
[22:35:46] <Wolf_> I got one of them
[22:35:56] <Praesmeodymium> I picked up on to match the motors
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[22:36:06] <Praesmeodymium> now I just need to figure out what to do with em
[22:36:25] <Tom_shop> where'd you get the double stack nema23s?
[22:36:29] <Wolf_> can send the to me :P
[22:36:45] <Praesmeodymium> walmart
[22:36:55] <Tom_shop> oh you got the big ones
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[22:37:41] <Praesmeodymium> they look like doublestack they are 76mm long
[22:37:58] <Tom_itx> double or triple, i'm sure they're not single
[22:38:19] <Contract_Pilot> I was greedy!
[22:38:34] <Tom_itx> he's gonna start ebaying em
[22:38:35] <Tom_itx> :)
[22:38:56] <t12> i wonder how testy this ebay india test bar will be
[22:40:04] <Wolf_> hmm they got some nema23 397oz on newegg for $27 each, no drivers tho =/
[22:41:21] <Praesmeodymium> so for milling is it holding torque or positioning torque that matters?
[22:41:39] <Wolf_> both
[22:41:43] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, what current?
[22:41:54] <Wolf_> 4.2A
[22:42:05] <Praesmeodymium> https://www.fasttobuy.com/57hs7630a4-sumtor-twophase-stepper-motor-57byg-new_p24123.html
[22:42:05] <Tom_itx> mmm my drivers would handle those
[22:42:22] <Praesmeodymium> those are the motors I got trying to decide what they could drive
[22:43:50] <Praesmeodymium> how big a wood cutter can I get too lol, le sigh so much math and so little knowledge in my head to figure that shit out
[22:44:13] <Wolf_> pretty much the motors I need for the x1 micro mill…
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[22:47:23] <zeeshan|2> hello all
[22:47:24] <zeeshan|2> :D
[22:47:37] * Tom_itx hides
[22:48:10] <zeeshan|2> :)
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[22:48:21] <zeeshan|2> im prepping tool boxes for tomorrow
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[22:48:52] <Tom_itx> what sort of tools are going in your boxes>
[22:48:54] <Tom_itx> ?
[22:49:00] <zeeshan|2> thats what i was hoping to discuss :P
[22:49:02] <zeeshan|2> just incase i forgot
[22:49:10] <zeeshan|2> socket set up to 1"
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[22:49:14] <zeeshan|2> er
[22:49:19] <zeeshan|2> 24mmm (its a jap lathe)
[22:49:20] <Tom_itx> one of everything
[22:49:23] <Tom_itx> and two of some
[22:49:25] <zeeshan|2> to adjustable wrenches
[22:49:29] <zeeshan|2> allen socket set
[22:49:30] <Tom_itx> because you will lose them
[22:49:31] <zeeshan|2> allen keys
[22:49:35] <zeeshan|2> screw drivers
[22:49:41] <zeeshan|2> pliers
[22:49:41] <Tom_itx> metric and english..
[22:49:44] <Tom_itx> allens
[22:50:00] <zeeshan|2> an a vice grip
[22:50:06] <Tom_itx> no no
[22:50:07] <zeeshan|2> hammer
[22:50:11] <Tom_itx> yes, a big one
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[22:50:44] <Tom_itx> oh that's right you gotta take your lathe apart...
[22:50:50] <Tom_itx> i bet alot of it is metric
[22:50:57] <zeeshan|2> yea has to be
[22:51:04] <zeeshan|2> erspecially in the 1980s
[22:51:12] <zeeshan|2> japanese are very stringent on metric
[22:51:13] <Tom_itx> big cheater bar
[22:51:21] <Tom_itx> couple long pry bars
[22:51:29] <Tom_itx> band aids
[22:51:34] <Tom_itx> you will need 2 boxes
[22:51:50] <zeeshan|2> then gloves, safety glasses, steel toes
[22:51:52] <zeeshan|2> change of clothes
[22:52:04] <zeeshan|2> cause im going right from work
[22:52:19] <Tom_itx> chip brush for packed in crap
[22:52:28] <Tom_itx> or scraper etc
[22:52:30] <zeeshan|2> just a rag
[22:52:32] <zeeshan|2> i keep
[22:52:51] <Tom_itx> thermite for those rusty bolts
[22:52:54] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:53:01] <zeeshan|2> i didnt see any rusty bolts to be honest
[22:53:06] <zeeshan|2> cause of oil residue
[22:53:23] <Tom_itx> yeah you may be ok in that regard
[22:53:43] <zeeshan|2> im a bit bummed out about not selling the conveyor
[22:53:49] <zeeshan|2> and spindle motor
[22:53:51] <zeeshan|2> oh well
[22:53:55] <zeeshan|2> i bet i can sell electronics easily
[22:53:55] <Tom_itx> you keepin em?
[22:54:00] <zeeshan|2> nahh man
[22:54:02] <zeeshan|2> they're keeping em
[22:54:03] <zeeshan|2> its part of the deal
[22:54:03] <Tom_itx> i would keep the conveyor
[22:54:08] <Tom_itx> shorten it maybe?
[22:54:13] <zeeshan|2> not worth it
[22:54:15] <zeeshan|2> too much going on in there
[22:54:19] <zeeshan|2> ill make a sheet metal box
[22:54:23] <zeeshan|2> when i get a chance
[22:54:27] <zeeshan|2> something more compact
[22:54:35] <Tom_itx> yeah
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[22:54:46] <zeeshan|2> cause i wan to be able to store stuff
[22:54:47] <zeeshan|2> there..
[22:58:08] <Tom_itx> seems reasonable i suppose
[22:58:19] <Tom_itx> are they in a rush to get it out of there?
[22:58:21] <MacGalempsy> moment of truth
[22:58:25] <Tom_itx> did they take it off the truck to store it?
[22:58:36] <zeeshan|2> yea its off the truck
[22:58:39] <zeeshan|2> from what ive been told
[22:59:10] <Tom_itx> so they plan on loading it again for you?
[22:59:16] <zeeshan|2> yea
[22:59:23] <Tom_itx> nice of em
[22:59:24] <zeeshan|2> and said i can use their forklift
[22:59:28] <zeeshan|2> yea really really nice guys
[22:59:31] <zeeshan|2> and they're not ripping me off.
[22:59:58] <Tom_itx> we've got a company (Belger) that does all the heavy machinery lifting around here
[23:00:01] <zeeshan|2> hey tom
[23:00:02] <zeeshan|2> check this out
[23:00:09] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/YGGydhv.jpg
[23:00:12] <zeeshan|2> see the box on the very right ?
[23:00:17] <Tom_itx> they dropped off one for my but at his old shop from the new one on their way back once
[23:00:39] <zeeshan|2> https://www.apexauctions.de/auction-de/itemDetails.htm?lotId=164972
[23:00:40] <zeeshan|2> 2nd row
[23:00:52] <zeeshan|2> 7th pic from the left
[23:01:02] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: cool
[23:01:09] <Tom_itx> the control?
[23:01:13] <zeeshan|2> no
[23:01:18] <zeeshan|2> its the picture left to the chuck
[23:01:20] <zeeshan|2> by itself
[23:01:29] <zeeshan|2> with the massive bar feeder
[23:01:34] <zeeshan|2> i think that is a hydraulic power pack
[23:01:37] <zeeshan|2> just for the drawbar.
[23:01:40] <zeeshan|2> not coolant
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[23:02:10] <Tom_itx> don't see which one you're talking about
[23:02:43] <zeeshan|2> 2nd row of pics
[23:02:56] <zeeshan|2> theres 3 pictures in a row of a bar feeder
[23:03:03] <Tom_itx> rows are brouser dependent :)
[23:03:07] <zeeshan|2> oh :(
[23:03:51] <Tom_itx> what's that thing above the machine?
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[23:05:03] <zeeshan|2> i think its a wire trough
[23:05:20] <Tom_itx> that's not yours anyway is it?
[23:05:28] <zeeshan|2> no
[23:05:30] <zeeshan|2> im comparing
[23:05:33] <zeeshan|2> cause i dont have many good pics
[23:06:07] <zeeshan|2> man
[23:06:12] <zeeshan|2> look at the machine iposted pics of
[23:06:14] <Tom_itx> what's the box with the black tube coming out on yours?
[23:06:16] <zeeshan|2> its so much lower to the ground
[23:06:17] <Tom_itx> on the right
[23:06:37] <zeeshan|2> i m thinking it might actually be a hydraulic power pack
[23:06:43] <zeeshan|2> but it makes no sense why they have a filter housing fo rit.
[23:07:04] <zeeshan|2> i don't see an external coolant pump for this other random machine ifound on the internet
[23:07:17] <Tom_itx> is that the coolant or lube pump on the left?
[23:07:27] <Tom_itx> it's got some sort of filter on it
[23:07:54] <Tom_itx> on yours)
[23:07:59] <zeeshan|2> whiuch pic
[23:08:13] <Tom_itx> the one on the truck of yours
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[23:08:33] <zeeshan|2> im thinking thats the hydraulic power pack
[23:08:42] <zeeshan|2> to disengage the turret , hydraulic chuck
[23:08:45] <zeeshan|2> tailstock etc
[23:08:54] <zeeshan|2> it looks like the right size for those things
[23:09:08] <zeeshan|2> i guess that thing onthe right is a coolant pump
[23:09:11] <zeeshan|2> cause i dont see it anywhere else
[23:09:15] <Tom_itx> so what's the one on the right for then?
[23:09:29] <zeeshan|2> like in the pic of the other machine
[23:09:36] <zeeshan|2> that other one is for feeding bars
[23:09:57] <Tom_itx> hydraulic or air?
[23:10:01] <zeeshan|2> hydr
[23:10:11] <Tom_itx> my 6-8 spindles were manual :D
[23:10:18] <Tom_itx> 12' bars
[23:10:52] <zeeshan|2> jeez
[23:10:56] <Tom_itx> i figured once we moved several tons a shift with those
[23:11:08] <Tom_itx> loading and scooping the chips
[23:11:10] <zeeshan|2> think if i remove that hydraulic power pack on the left, and those electrical cabinets
[23:11:16] <zeeshan|2> and the spindle motor and gear reducer box
[23:11:18] <zeeshan|2> i can drop 1000lb?
[23:11:19] <zeeshan|2> :D
[23:11:44] <Tom_itx> the sheetmetal would be half that
[23:11:46] <Tom_itx> at least
[23:12:11] <zeeshan|2> ill find out tomorrow :P
[23:12:20] <Tom_itx> label all the stuff
[23:12:26] <Tom_itx> unless you like puzzles
[23:12:32] <zeeshan|2> i taking pics
[23:12:40] <zeeshan|2> on the itnernet
[23:12:52] <zeeshan|2> sit says 20hp motors weigh anywhere from 350 to 280 lb
[23:13:00] <zeeshan|2> so thats one major weight gone
[23:13:11] <Tom_itx> 3phase?
[23:13:14] <zeeshan|2> yes
[23:13:18] <Tom_itx> 440v?
[23:13:22] <Tom_itx> 208?
[23:13:23] <zeeshan|2> 240
[23:13:40] <Tom_itx> those lathes had like 25-30hp on them
[23:13:50] <zeeshan|2> this one is 20hp
[23:14:05] <Tom_itx> don't drop it on your toe
[23:14:08] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/3stpkGd.jpg
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[23:15:03] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: speaking of thermite, it's on sale http://www.firefox-fx.com/Bulk%20Overstock%20Sales.html
[23:15:24] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, i can see your electric meter spinning already
[23:15:32] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/6Y9h0Y2.jpg
[23:15:40] <zeeshan|2> look at the size of that transmission
[23:15:45] <zeeshan|2> thats gotta be around 400lb by itself
[23:16:22] <Tom_itx> more
[23:16:36] <zeeshan|2> that'd be sweet if i only have to remove the trans
[23:16:38] <Tom_itx> it's full of gears
[23:16:38] <zeeshan|2> and spindle motor!
[23:17:00] <zeeshan|2> it looks like a puzzle to remove
[23:17:21] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: putting in smaller motors since you can't get enough power to the garage?
[23:17:26] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: yea
[23:17:26] <zeeshan|2> 10hp
[23:17:59] <zeeshan|2> it looks like the intput shaft is obviously where the 2903123090382 belts go
[23:18:11] <zeeshan|2> and output is on the left side along the same axis
[23:18:19] <zeeshan|2> so they must hve a coupler or something there
[23:18:24] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: did the power co or city just not allow it?
[23:18:33] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: huh??
[23:18:33] <zeeshan|2> no
[23:18:38] <zeeshan|2> i want this to consume at most 120A
[23:18:43] <zeeshan|2> with everything maxed out , single phase
[23:19:06] <Tom_itx> we had a fadal 15 we swapped transformers in once to run off 220v
[23:19:15] <CaptHindsight> ah, you don't want to increase the size of the service
[23:19:17] <Tom_itx> you don't have 220v?
[23:19:24] <zeeshan|2> 240 yea
[23:19:58] <Tom_itx> what's the largest residential service you can get there?
[23:20:02] <zeeshan|2> 400A
[23:20:05] <zeeshan|2> i have 200A
[23:20:22] <Tom_itx> do they have to string a new pole wire for that?
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[23:20:34] <Tom_itx> or just inside
[23:20:40] <zeeshan|2> from what ive been told
[23:20:51] <zeeshan|2> houses built in the last 10 years have 200A ampacity wires going to em
[23:20:56] <zeeshan|2> but builders are cheap and put a 100A panel.
[23:21:00] <Tom_itx> my bud had 3phase run to his first shop
[23:21:03] <zeeshan|2> houses that are more rural
[23:21:13] <Tom_itx> it took quite a while to get it
[23:21:15] <zeeshan|2> can have 200/400
[23:21:37] <Tom_itx> change the pannel yourself
[23:21:43] <zeeshan|2> i have 200A
[23:21:48] <zeeshan|2> i already changed panel
[23:21:49] <zeeshan|2> tom
[23:21:50] <zeeshan|2> omg
[23:21:54] <zeeshan|2> starting at this pic long enough
[23:21:57] <zeeshan|2> i discovered something.
[23:22:00] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/6Y9h0Y2.jpg
[23:22:03] <zeeshan|2> theres a brake caliper!
[23:22:04] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:22:13] <zeeshan|2> i can just see it!
[23:22:33] <Tom_itx> where?
[23:22:41] <zeeshan|2> see that 4 bolt pattern
[23:22:48] <zeeshan|2> below the yellow cap servo
[23:22:52] <zeeshan|2> you see a hydraulic line
[23:23:00] <Tom_itx> could be
[23:23:00] <zeeshan|2> going into a banjo bolt (you can partly see the banjo bolt)
[23:23:07] <zeeshan|2> so im 100% sure thats a brake caliper
[23:23:15] <zeeshan|2> it looks exactly like the one we had on a grinder at work
[23:23:22] <zeeshan|2> i had to change the pads on it
[23:23:31] <Tom_itx> good deal
[23:23:41] <zeeshan|2> this also means
[23:23:45] <zeeshan|2> itll be a bitch split that trans
[23:24:07] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: is this the lathe that the dealer was giving you hard time about or did you fins a new one?
[23:24:16] <zeeshan|2> another one capt
[23:24:18] <zeeshan|2> thru same dealer
[23:24:29] <Tom_itx> that other one was an okuma right?
[23:24:32] <zeeshan|2> yes
[23:24:47] <Tom_itx> i liked the okuma i ran
[23:24:50] <Tom_itx> kadet
[23:24:56] <Tom_itx> small but nice
[23:25:00] <zeeshan|2> that machine woulda been easier to deal with
[23:25:01] <zeeshan|2> oh well
[23:25:29] <zeeshan|2> the electrical cabinet will take me some time to take off
[23:25:32] <zeeshan|2> hopefully i dont have to.
[23:25:42] <zeeshan|2> with the mikron there was like about 80 connectors
[23:25:46] <Tom_itx> chop saw
[23:25:51] <zeeshan|2> no way!
[23:25:54] <Tom_itx> :D
[23:25:58] <zeeshan|2> itll take forever to figure it out
[23:26:04] <zeeshan|2> i went through that ordeal w/ the mikron cause had no manual
[23:26:08] <Tom_itx> you're replacing most of it anyway
[23:26:11] <zeeshan|2> thats true
[23:26:18] <zeeshan|2> but i need to know the wire lkocations
[23:26:19] <zeeshan|2> and output
[23:26:20] <zeeshan|2> so i can plan
[23:26:33] <zeeshan|2> it has to be very basic
[23:26:38] <zeeshan|2> the only extra stuff is atc
[23:26:39] <Tom_itx> the insul is all brittle and cruddy anyway
[23:26:40] <zeeshan|2> and tailstock
[23:28:42] <zeeshan|2> gonna pack tool box
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[23:29:58] <t12> hum
[23:30:11] <t12> test bar measures spindle angled at .005" per 10"
[23:30:34] <t12> further down the rabbithole maybe i ditch the sheetmetal stand
[23:36:23] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, start a lathe blog
[23:37:34] <Praesmeodymium> rabbitholes lol, yup I still dont think I can afford a wood cutter big enough to carve on doors
[23:38:29] <Tom_itx> making custom entry doors?
[23:38:52] <Praesmeodymium> not making anything is part of my problem
[23:39:03] <Praesmeodymium> I tend to build tools for the sake of building tools
[23:39:13] <malcom2073> +1 To that
[23:39:43] <t12> i always blankface with like
[23:39:44] <Tom_itx> i'm a bit guilty on that with my sherline conversion but i may still use it some
[23:39:48] <t12> what do you actually make in that shop
[23:39:50] <t12> blankface
[23:40:01] <t12> actually i usually answer tools to make tools to make tools to make tools ...
[23:40:03] <malcom2073> t12: My wife asks me ccasionally
[23:40:12] <malcom2073> I usually give a noncommittal answer
[23:40:16] <Praesmeodymium> whats that 3d printer make? pretty much other 3d printers and tchotchkeys
[23:40:55] <Tom_itx> my kid made a pumpkin on one at school
[23:41:07] <Praesmeodymium> ofc thats a bit disengenious 3d printers only make 10% of other 3d printers
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[23:44:17] <Wolf_Mill> so many ziplock baggies...
[23:46:53] il is now known as Audioburn
[23:50:09] <Wolf_Mill> wonder how many bags mcmaster uses per day...