#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-30

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[00:01:17] <Tom_itx> how do you define a plane say 2" above the top plane in sw?
[00:01:17] <andypugh> MattyMatt: Making a ball nut is moderateluy easy. Hardeining it so that it will work for a long time and then grinding the shape is less easy.
[00:01:51] <andypugh> Tom_itx: In Inventor (to answer the wrong question) You click and drag off the top plane, then type “2” in the box.
[00:01:57] <malcom2073> Tom_itx: I think you can offset a reference plane? Let me load it up and check
[00:03:02] <_methods> go to insert>reference geometry> plane
[00:03:09] <malcom2073> Yeah, then input an offset
[00:03:23] <Tom_itx> thanks
[00:03:25] <malcom2073> _methods: is faster than me heh
[00:03:35] <_methods> hahah i hope so i have to use it all day
[00:03:36] <Wolf_> cool, servo spindle drive motor will be here tomorrow
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[00:08:08] <MattyMatt> do any twin start screw have opposite preload so they are self anti-lash?
[00:09:29] * MattyMatt patents
[00:10:03] <Sync> you can have preload in a single start screw
[00:10:46] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: It'd be unadjustable though
[00:11:10] <malcom2073> Probably better off just having a close tolerance nut
[00:11:19] <MattyMatt> tapered spiral wedge :)
[00:11:27] <MattyMatt> I should draw it
[00:11:49] <MattyMatt> then offer 50% of the patent to whoever stumps up the £1600+VAT fee
[00:11:50] <malcom2073> At least a close tolerance (delryn) nut is cheap to replace when it wears out, as opposed to a special preload nut
[00:12:31] <MattyMatt> this is actually the way I'm thinking. plastic ballnuts you can replace in an afternoon for free
[00:12:33] <Wolf_> ^ thats what I was going to do to the x1, undersized acetal nuts
[00:12:55] <MattyMatt> oh yeah, on steel threads, delrin is a winner
[00:13:10] <Wolf_> but then I did that large x2 base with ballscrews instead
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[00:13:26] <malcom2073> Wolf_: The adapter plates I designed for my mill won't work
[00:13:33] <malcom2073> Have to redesign :/
[00:13:36] <malcom2073> Got them made and all
[00:13:38] <Wolf_> doh
[00:13:43] <Contract_Pilot1> If walmart process i an going to order a bunch
[00:14:02] <Wolf_> how did that happen malcom2073
[00:14:15] <malcom2073> Wolf_: I mis-measured, my pulley offset is negative (into the stepper) with those heh
[00:14:16] <Contract_Pilot1> Unless you all buy them first.
[00:14:25] <malcom2073> Might be able to cut off some of the hub, but unsure if that's wise
[00:15:00] <Wolf_> Contract_Pilot1: anything back from that collet holder vendor?
[00:15:23] <Contract_Pilot1> Nope.
[00:16:20] <Wolf_> I ordered close to $300 worth of TTS stuff today, needless to say there is no ER20 holders in that order lol
[00:16:50] <Contract_Pilot1> Ahhh i orderd a few of these http://www.walmart.com/ip/46930349
[00:17:06] <Contract_Pilot1> Hope walmart follows thru
[00:17:38] <Contract_Pilot1> http://www.walmart.com/ip/46914656
[00:17:50] <malcom2073> Lol, I forgot walmart is doign the amazon things now, allowing random sellers
[00:18:10] <Contract_Pilot1> Yea, but you get protection from scams
[00:18:24] <malcom2073> Except no returns
[00:18:27] <Contract_Pilot1> if it was a place like ali express
[00:18:48] <Contract_Pilot1> i would be sceptical.
[00:19:06] <Wolf_> no, you would be looking for the shipping charge for $90
[00:19:15] <Contract_Pilot1> I am tired been upo all night.
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[00:19:23] <furrywolf> I somehow doubt the ratings are any less chinese because they're sold on walmart's website.
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[00:22:50] <bobo> wonder what walmart charges to list stuff on their website ?
[00:24:33] <furrywolf> dunno, and don't plan to find out. who would want to do business with walmart? I won't even shop there.
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[00:27:54] <Contract_Pilot1> If i get what i orderd by next friday cool if not "chargeback"
[00:30:11] <CaptHindsight> AC110/220V 48V 10A 480W Switching Power Supply Adapter $6.11 and links to fireplace accessories
[00:31:00] <CaptHindsight> pretty soon it it will just be Wal-ibaba-zon
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[00:32:08] <CaptHindsight> and you'll have to live and click through 20 pages of adverts/blipverts to checkout
[00:32:52] <t12> so sometimes i come across this older mainly european science equipment
[00:32:59] <t12> that seems to have a funny steel or treatment?
[00:33:11] <t12> it always seems greyer than steel, more like sterrett satin finish
[00:33:16] <t12> and it rusts very evenly and mild
[00:33:32] <t12> is this some older common machining steel or just some surface treatment or
[00:33:36] <t12> i can try to find examples
[00:34:01] <CaptHindsight> like core10?
[00:34:17] <CaptHindsight> or does it stay more grey than brown?
[00:34:25] <t12> more grey
[00:34:32] <t12> i may be off its been a while tho
[00:36:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nssmc.com/en/product/plate/COR-TEN.html
[00:36:11] <Contract_Pilot1> Check out no adverts i have ad blocker
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[00:40:20] <Contract_Pilot1> Looks like it is dooable in a sherline https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn7K45AFOfs
[00:41:35] <Praesmeodymium> I see the trsts have kanji on them I was gonna say sounds like that japaneses steel they developed for resource sinking
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[00:41:52] <t12> do all the ar lower 80's come pre-broached
[00:41:58] <t12> isnt that the most annoying operation
[00:42:18] <Contract_Pilot1> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/AR-CNC-576x1024.jpg
[00:42:39] <Contract_Pilot1> Most are milled good ones are broached
[00:42:56] <t12> do some people just wing it with a long reach small radius thing
[00:43:57] <Contract_Pilot1> I have about 80 left... http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Bulk-80s-1024x576.jpg
[00:45:26] <Contract_Pilot1> Hungry if i eat ill sleep.
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[00:48:51] <furrywolf> grrr. I downloaded a file off my webhost, and the md5s differ.
[00:49:10] <Sync> hax
[00:49:46] * malcom2073 stops MTMing furrywolf
[00:50:03] <furrywolf> my ISP MTMs http connections.
[00:52:26] <t12> hacked by chinese
[00:52:26] <furrywolf> it's for your own good.
[00:53:24] <Sync> do a bindiff, what has changed in it?
[00:53:54] <furrywolf> I fixed it... my ISP decided to replace the end of it with HTML, as they occasionally do.
[00:54:07] <furrywolf> chopping off the end and resuming the file got the md5s to match.
[00:54:30] <furrywolf> when you start running low on data, it "helpfully" injects even more crap into your connections than usual.
[00:54:45] <Sync> wat.
[00:57:08] <furrywolf> they drop your active connections, then their transparent proxy returns their notice html instead of your requested content on the next connection, no matter what your request was... so wget, for example, dutifully tacks their html onto the end of the file you were downloading, having no idea it's not the correct content.
[00:59:24] <furrywolf> it's just one of the many ways my ISP sucks.
[01:04:30] <jdh> vpn
[01:04:45] <jdh> or at least ssh forwarding
[01:05:06] <CaptHindsight> or move to Europe or Asia
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[01:09:04] <furrywolf> I route all my browsing over ssh.
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[01:45:29] <PetefromTn_> argh
[01:45:45] <PetefromTn_> just got back from a short trip to Oak ridge
[01:45:59] <PetefromTn_> went up there to look at a Fiero GT that was for sale
[01:46:17] <PetefromTn_> damn thing was completely rusted out in the back...SIGH
[01:47:44] <jdh> I used to work in OR
[01:47:59] <PetefromTn_> I'm sorry ;)
[01:48:49] <jdh> the drive sucked, I lived off chapman hwy
[01:48:49] <PetefromTn_> it was out off edgemoor road
[01:48:58] <PetefromTn_> that is a drive
[01:49:38] <jdh> wife worked in sevierville
[01:51:38] <Wolf_> are Shars drill keyless drill chucks any good?
[01:52:12] * Wolf_ forgot how to english…
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[01:54:59] <furrywolf> my experience is chinese drill chucks, at least of the variety included on low-cost hand electric drills, suck.
[01:57:41] <Wolf_> these arent plastic chucks, http://www.ebay.com/itm/330352988915
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[01:59:03] <furrywolf> that's not the variety included with cheap hand drills. :P
[01:59:39] * furrywolf decides to get some housework done, and tosses on some Life Of Agony at the proverbial "11" setting.
[02:02:13] <evil_ren> you like your lows trahed, ya?
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[02:02:44] <renesis> penguins go brrrrrr
[02:06:20] <jdh> penguins are so sensitive
[02:08:11] <Praesmeodymium> http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/The_Penguin_That_Hated_the_Cold
[02:08:20] <Praesmeodymium> my sisters favorite choldhood book
[02:08:47] <Praesmeodymium> Ibought her a 50$ copy for her birthday last year to replace the one the exhusband destroyed
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[02:42:08] <t12> i have something to fit to a shaft, with a keyway
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[02:42:15] <t12> i want to avoid doing work on the shaft
[02:42:36] <t12> the thing hole is out enough that there is a slight rock, and when tightening the key it tilts the part on the shaft a bit
[02:42:58] <t12> think i can expect to get very far boring out the part, and putting shim in?
[02:43:05] <t12> some other method?
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[02:55:48] <furrywolf> yay, some housework done.
[02:56:27] <furrywolf> I need a shop!
[02:56:56] <furrywolf> I've started organizing power tools into a large pile that's about 3ft tall under some shelves because that's more space-efficient than sorting them.
[02:57:19] <Wolf_> lol
[02:57:28] <Praesmeodymium> I did that years ago... now the entire basement needs to be cleaned and orginized
[02:57:37] <furrywolf> I don't have a basement.
[02:58:14] <furrywolf> Or a garage.
[02:58:18] <furrywolf> All my piles are in the house!
[02:58:25] <Praesmeodymium> I live somehwere thats possible, not every area of the country works that well for underground
[02:59:00] <furrywolf> basements have a lot in common with wells and/or boats depending on how well you seal them... either they fill with water, or they float... :P
[02:59:12] <Wolf_> my mom gave me some audio book on decluttering your life that was written by a japanese author, one point that was really good was make sure its easy to put the stuff away and don’t bother focusing on how easy it is to get to it to get it out
[02:59:31] <Wolf_> my cellar fills up with water…
[02:59:49] <furrywolf> sounds like that book is for people whose clutter takes the form of useless trinkets, not tools.
[02:59:51] <Praesmeodymium> sorta like the put stuff in a box with a date on it if you havent opent the box in a year you dont need whatever is in it
[03:00:07] <Praesmeodymium> my exwife was big on that
[03:00:11] <furrywolf> baloney. I have many tools I use less often that once a year... and they're not optional when you do need them!
[03:00:19] <Praesmeodymium> I lost a lot of great cookeware
[03:00:31] <Wolf_> furrywolf: yeah, thats why thats one of the few points that made sense out of the hour or so of the whole thing lmao
[03:01:16] <furrywolf> what I really want to do is start a makerspace-like thing with all my spare tools, but that takes stupid amounts of time and money, and I have neither.
[03:01:35] <furrywolf> I have enough tools to populate a basic automotive, welding, electronics, and machining space...
[03:01:49] <Praesmeodymium> and they instantly turn into these weird cliquesh things
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[03:02:22] <furrywolf> I am god here. As long as people remember that, it won't be weird. :P
[03:03:34] <Praesmeodymium> I do know what thats about which is security of your hard won tools, but for the outsider either you fit in or you dont. like the places around here all have a shitty little wood cutting cnc 2 3d printers, and if you arent into drones or security you can leave
[03:05:29] <furrywolf> I have no drones, and I have a non-cnc mill that'd crush your average 3d printer flat. :)
[03:05:47] <furrywolf> also, they're not drones. they're r/c multi-rotors.
[03:05:56] <furrywolf> virtually none have any AI.
[03:09:38] <Wolf_> hmm I was thinking about getting some indexable mill bits, but… I have no idea what I need lol
[03:11:47] <Praesmeodymium> if I had a non cnc mill I would have a counterweight for my floating basement
[03:11:59] <Praesmeodymium> that requires skill I dont have to use
[03:12:03] <furrywolf> there's no makerspaces in the area at all... the cost of property makes it prohibitive, and even worse if you want to do it all fancy-like with insurance and crap.
[03:12:50] <furrywolf> a friend of a friend tried starting a museum, but couldn't afford the $2500/month rent for their little place...
[03:13:07] <Praesmeodymium> you in cali or summin?
[03:13:48] <furrywolf> yep
[03:13:52] <Praesmeodymium> or new york I hear thats stupd expensive too
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[03:27:38] <MacGalempsy> evening
[03:34:45] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5244775288.html craigslist needs to check the focus of images and yell at anyone who uses their cell phone.
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[03:35:37] <furrywolf> I can find exactly nothing googling for info on that welder.
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[03:37:25] <Praesmeodymium> interesting fake timestamp 2 blurry ass pics from a distance then 1 clear close up of a the boilerplate
[03:37:57] <furrywolf> I'm tempted to offer $50 and see what I get back. :P
[03:39:46] <Praesmeodymium> although, we had a subzero freezer in the basement here from 63 or something and when I contacted sub zero they were unaware they had ever made the model much less anything containing 22oz of freon
[03:40:53] <Praesmeodymium> it doesnt suprise me that the internet doesnt have all the infromation from days BI
[03:44:28] <furrywolf> BI?
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[03:48:50] <furrywolf> either that guy is short, or it's fucking huge.
[03:48:52] <Praesmeodymium> before internet
[03:50:42] <MacGalempsy> what a night, its been nonstop! hey furrywolf, have you heard about all the RVs that have been abandoned in N Dakota?
[03:51:02] <furrywolf> no
[03:52:00] <furrywolf> "GLENN-GIBSON CORPORATION is an Domestic Stock business incorporated in California, USA on April 2, 1969. Their business is recorded as Suspended. It is not part of a group. The last filled statement was on 8/6/1982. " that gives a date range.
[03:52:21] <MacGalempsy> apparently the slump in the oil market has lead to desertion of the area. the article claimed the wrecking yards are packed full of them. and had a picture or two
[03:52:28] <furrywolf> also means exactly zero chance of getting service literature or such.
[03:54:19] <Wolf_> not like its going to be too complex inside
[03:54:33] <Wolf_> pretty sure thats not inverter based :P
[03:54:42] <furrywolf> I would guess that as well. :P
[03:54:50] <furrywolf> I'm also pretty sure it weighs at least a half ton.
[03:55:15] <Praesmeodymium> so 300$ worth of scrap metal?
[03:55:52] <furrywolf> my 250A at 30% duty cycle Miller is close to 500lbs... that's 300A at 60% duty cycle... so figure twice the metal... :P
[03:56:18] <furrywolf> also, it just looks fucking huge. 4ft tall?
[03:58:33] <furrywolf> I'm amazing how remarkably NOTHING I can find. none for sale, none at auction, no mention of anyone owning one, nada.
[03:59:21] <furrywolf> that's not common.
[04:00:56] <furrywolf> I'd have just as much luck entering random letters.
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[04:06:41] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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[06:46:19] <Deejay> moin
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[07:09:00] <ganzuul> allo
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[09:27:38] <XXCoder> heys
[09:30:36] <Contract_Pilot1> Morning
[09:32:46] <Contract_Pilot1> http://www.walmart.com/ip/46945879 Looks like they are out of stock now glad i orderd 4 haha now lets see if they ship hahah
[09:33:59] <Praesmeodymium> they were ou in like 15 minutes on all 4 of the similar deals
[09:34:12] <Praesmeodymium> from when they showed up in here anyway
[09:35:35] <XXCoder> wtf crapmart sells steppers?
[09:35:54] <Wolf_Mill> marketplace
[09:36:02] <XXCoder> ah that seems popular lately.
[09:37:19] <Contract_Pilot1> Yea, market place but your get walmat buyer protection
[09:38:03] <Contract_Pilot1> http://www.walmart.com/ip/46914656
[09:38:14] <Contract_Pilot1> 6.00 for a 48V PS
[09:38:37] <Contract_Pilot1> Prob sell a thousand cheap from a over run or somthing
[09:39:09] <Contract_Pilot1> Or just real china prices
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[09:43:56] <XXCoder> lemme see aliexpress prices
[09:44:09] <XXCoder> nema 24??
[09:44:16] <XXCoder> that may be reason why its so cheap lol
[09:45:29] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/4-MB450A-4-2A-Stepper-Driver-4-Nema-23-Stepper-Motor-112mm-3KG-cm-4-lines/1468146879.html
[09:46:36] <Contract_Pilot1> 57HS5630A4 Motor & MB450A Driver
[09:46:48] <XXCoder> cheapest one I found (no driver) http://www.aliexpress.com/item/0-45N-M-NEMA-23-Stepper-Motor/32365657531.html
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[09:47:42] <Contract_Pilot1> https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsumtorelec.com%2Fproduct.asp%3Fplt%3D10%26Pone%3D1%26Ptwo%3D10%26Pthree%3D0%26Pfour%3D0%23&edit-text=
[09:48:09] <Contract_Pilot1> Ali express inflates the shipping deal on ali direct and get better prices
[09:48:26] <Contract_Pilot1> Just have to know how do biz with china
[09:49:04] <XXCoder> odd, that site has no N.M
[09:49:12] <Contract_Pilot1> Have a customs bond and a freight forwarder.
[09:50:28] <XXCoder> what N.M power is needed to run a large router for exampke
[09:50:30] <XXCoder> 4'x8'
[09:51:33] <Contract_Pilot1> http://www.convertunits.com/from/oz-in/to/N-m
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[09:53:13] <XXCoder> weird
[09:53:22] <XXCoder> Xorg restarted
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[09:56:28] <XXCoder> anyway conversion dont help when I dont know much power is needed :)
[09:58:05] <Contract_Pilot1> Not sure how much is needed
[09:58:13] <XXCoder> np
[09:58:27] <Contract_Pilot1> Have you searched similar routers
[09:58:27] <XXCoder> I got parallel port today whoohoo
[09:58:39] <XXCoder> so I can finally connect my small cnc router to my pc soon
[09:59:53] <Contract_Pilot1> Another path pilot sucess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgU57Zdec9I
[09:59:56] <Wolf_Mill> I finally bothered to hook up my relay pack so now I have coolant and auto spindle shutdown :)
[10:01:30] <Contract_Pilot1> Since i will have 3 eatra motors if walmart ships i may build a small router..
[10:02:00] <Contract_Pilot1> I have some eztra acme screw arround
[10:02:15] <XXCoder> since you has 4 you could play around with 4th axis
[10:02:22] <XXCoder> it dont seem to be complex
[10:02:23] <Wolf_Mill> I should have jumped on them walmart motors as well, I could have sold this x1 as a ready to run thing
[10:02:43] <Contract_Pilot1> 'hahaha
[10:03:40] <XXCoder> even at buck each I am not about to order from walmart anytime soon.
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[10:04:55] <Contract_Pilot1> Support walmart junkies and retards need a place to work.
[10:05:41] <Contract_Pilot1> Coffee is not doing well this morning
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[10:22:26] <MattyMatt> XXCoder, did you get a 2 port one? worth the extra $2 imo
[10:22:57] <XXCoder> 2 port? yeah I wasn't looking for that but it come 2 ports
[10:23:00] <XXCoder> why though?
[10:23:08] <MattyMatt> more pins
[10:23:13] <MattyMatt> more axis
[10:23:33] <XXCoder> nice, it will be useful in future
[10:23:35] <Jymmm> more flavor
[10:23:36] <Wolf_Mill> ^ moar pins are good...
[10:23:39] <Jymmm> more fun
[10:23:42] <malcom2073> Moar axis!
[10:23:43] <XXCoder> right now using el cheapo chinese controller
[10:23:51] <XXCoder> only 3 axis
[10:24:29] <MattyMatt> I got 4 axis, but yeah that fits nicely on one port, but it leaves none for playing with quadrature encoders etc
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[10:25:12] <XXCoder> I had a silly idea for cnc
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[10:25:28] <Jymmm> XXCoder: rubber bands and silly string?
[10:25:32] <XXCoder> x axis y axis and C
[10:25:50] <XXCoder> actually no
[10:26:04] <XXCoder> an axis (either x or y), Z and C
[10:26:11] <MattyMatt> x+y+c = vinyl cutter
[10:26:26] <MattyMatt> with a Z solenoid too
[10:26:31] <Contract_Pilot1> man Ak parts sales suck this week
[10:27:10] <MattyMatt> AK? 7.62mm?
[10:27:16] <Contract_Pilot1> Yea,
[10:27:43] <MattyMatt> invent AK-48. innovate or die
[10:27:58] <MattyMatt> anyone ever done a twin barrel one?
[10:28:23] <Contract_Pilot1> Not sure what would be the point?
[10:29:01] <MattyMatt> it'd be like a face with a squint
[10:29:06] <Contract_Pilot1> Was at 7-11 somone see my carry piece what is that? Where can i get one? I daid you cant i made it!
[10:29:12] <Contract_Pilot1> ahhh said
[10:29:41] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmrggqzwhFc
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[10:30:18] <Contract_Pilot> Even AK steel mags at 11.00ea are not selling
[10:30:49] <XXCoder> not enough people hunting wabbits.
[10:30:52] <MattyMatt> start a local insurrection
[10:30:58] <XXCoder> war sells
[10:31:06] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha
[10:31:09] <XXCoder> or new obama taking guns rumor round
[10:31:36] * Jymmm paints bullseyes on MattyMatt car, house, butt, etc
[10:32:10] <MattyMatt> please. I'm sure I have all those things somewhere
[10:32:14] <XXCoder> put bulleye target on bulleye target
[10:32:25] <XXCoder> so guy can hit center and hit center too.
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[10:32:53] <MattyMatt> pimp my deathstick
[10:34:21] <MattyMatt> AK on a segway
[10:35:26] <XXCoder> new recrusive AK, so you can shoot while you shoot while...
[10:35:26] <Contract_Pilot> I sent a low ball 40.00 they agreed www.ebay.com/itm/271968689926 will make a nice PS for my G0704 conversion.
[10:36:21] <MattyMatt> chunky
[10:36:29] <Contract_Pilot> Mesa money almost gone... have 2.5 more weeks till they instock.
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[10:37:19] <MattyMatt> fruit machine psu are about that spec
[10:37:51] <Contract_Pilot> fruit machine?
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[10:38:09] <Contract_Pilot> They selling homo's in vending machines now?
[10:38:10] <MattyMatt> coin slot gambling thingy
[10:38:33] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, I might have to get one of them 48v psu as well...
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[10:41:06] <Jymmm> Too bad it doesn't have 220V primary
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[10:41:38] <malcom2073> Heh, I love make an offer on ebay
[10:41:52] <XXCoder> "I offer you lack of murder for your item"
[10:43:43] <MattyMatt> half my kingdom and my eldest daughter's hand
[10:44:45] <MattyMatt> you can have the half of nowt now, and the rest when I get round to making some
[10:45:35] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/PSU-Ebay.jpg
[10:46:18] <Contract_Pilot> 40.00 is a steel cannot make one for that price..
[10:46:24] <Contract_Pilot> and that is shipped.
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[10:50:14] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.amazon.com/ELPAC-BFS500-48-125V-AC-48-4V-DC-D506889/dp/B013IQYVKC
[10:52:09] <Contract_Pilot> DB Knock out punches are spendy.
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[10:53:53] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/driverack-inside.jpg
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[10:55:54] <fenn> 3 separate psu's is kinda dumb, as they can't support each other during peak loads
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[10:58:08] <Contract_Pilot> Each PSU is for each Driver
[10:58:32] <Contract_Pilot> 5A each driver
[10:58:46] <Contract_Pilot> Only 2 Are in Use.
[11:00:02] <Contract_Pilot> PMDX will be removed and replaced with a 7I76 http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/100_3992-1024x575.jpg
[11:01:04] <Contract_Pilot> I think I will scrap the rack and make my own enclosure
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[11:05:37] <fenn> hmm i might get one of those $6 PSU's but won't be surprised if it turns out to be a 12V PSU instead of 48V
[11:12:37] <ganzuul> Bought a cordless screwdriver for 6 euro. New.
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[11:15:43] <Contract_Pilot> We will see it may be 4.8V hahaha
[11:15:52] <Contract_Pilot> at .1A
[11:16:20] <Contract_Pilot> Or orders may not get processed!
[11:16:24] <MattyMatt> or 220V at 13A, until the diode blows
[11:16:55] <MattyMatt> hell yeah, just get drivers that are 240V ready
[11:17:10] * MattyMatt looks, they are called vfd
[11:18:06] <fenn> well they probably didn't make up the 1232g shipping weight
[11:18:29] <MattyMatt> vexta do stepper drivers with built in psu. spendy tho
[11:18:48] <fenn> how do you even ship a kilogram from china for $6
[11:19:25] <MattyMatt> by shipping 1m kg for $6m
[11:19:57] <MattyMatt> 1m kg = 30 containers?
[11:21:24] <MattyMatt> presumably those silly container ships can't all be at the 30 ton limit, but you can ship a lot of 1kg on one ship
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[11:23:53] <MattyMatt> these pacific atolls should build giant rafts and take the country mobile when the seas rise
[11:24:15] <MattyMatt> donate oil drums here
[11:24:39] <Contract_Pilot> I ahve been to tarawa many many times
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[12:52:15] <enleth> ah crap. TIR up to 0.41mm on spindle, the lower bearings must be shot too
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[12:57:13] <Sync> wat enleth
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[13:00:25] <enleth> that was my reaction too
[13:01:03] <enleth> but it's not the shitty chinese toolholder that I suspected at first
[13:01:53] <enleth> I can feel the wobble when I press a fingernail into the spindle taper wall on low speed
[13:02:31] <enleth> (yep, that's how I check for runout when I can't be arsed to get the indicator)
[13:02:52] <enleth> so I got the indicator and it wasn't pretty
[13:05:40] <enleth> well maybe it's the taper, but I can't see how
[13:06:18] <enleth> I's not wobbling at an angle, the tool points straight down
[13:07:27] <enleth> but its axis is offset from the rotation axis
[13:16:38] <Sync> yeah
[13:16:53] <Sync> it is either the bearings or somebody messed up the spindle big time
[13:19:04] <malcom2073> Damn that sucks
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[13:29:19] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/v68lNrg.jpg
[13:31:20] <malcom2073> oooo pretty
[13:32:00] <_methods> damn you got that motor fast
[13:32:05] <_methods> didn't you just order it?
[13:32:26] <Wolf_Mill> yup, shipped from NJ, like 3hrs from here
[13:33:07] <archivist> enleth, if it had had a big crash a bent spindle like in my old horizontal mill
[13:34:23] <archivist> chuck a parallel bar and see if the tir varies with distance
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[13:39:25] <Wolf_Mill> ha this should be fun, magnetic halls effect sensor for the speed control
[13:41:45] <archivist> is that an ac servo?
[13:42:12] <malcom2073> Sewing machine? Probably a universal motor and a SCR?
[13:42:19] <anomynous> irssi seems to have users still
[13:42:36] <archivist> because on ac servo the hall effect is also for commutation
[13:43:05] <archivist> cant read the label
[13:45:42] <enleth> archivist: if it does, it's bent. if it doesn't, the bearings are fucked. correct?
[13:46:35] <archivist> you should also feel roughness from bearings, else yes
[13:47:21] <enleth> well the problem is, they feel quite smooth. the upper bearing was rather crunchy but I replaced it.
[13:47:31] <archivist> I did see a cyclic error form a bearing where I assumed is had a large/small roller/ball
[13:48:28] <archivist> that shows up as the tir not being in the same place each rev
[13:48:33] <Wolf_Mill> its a AC servo, 4 wire to the motor and 5 wire hall pickups, and 3 wire to the pedal lever that has a magnet on a stick and a hall in it
[13:50:41] <anomynous> what is the hall effect? It sounds like important and interesting
[13:50:50] <fenn> enleth maybe you didn't preload the bearings correctly and it's just loose
[13:51:46] <archivist> anomynous, a semiconductor that is affected/senses magnetic field
[13:52:44] <anomynous> a sensor called hall something, or its just how that specific type of servos use for position detecting?
[13:53:10] <Jymmm> anomynous: It's that hall monitor kid in school that would nark you off
[13:53:22] <anomynous> really?
[13:53:36] <archivist> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect
[13:53:40] <anomynous> thanks ;)
[13:53:54] <anomynous> i already believed Jymmm. Thanks for correciting
[13:53:58] <Jymmm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect_sensor
[13:54:22] <Jymmm> anomynous: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9312
[13:54:58] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/CyNObxX.jpg
[13:55:11] <fenn> my sarcasm detector is on the fritz or something
[13:55:32] <anomynous> not sarcasm. Just humour
[13:56:00] <anomynous> well. yes. sarcasm. Not cynical sarcasm ;)
[13:56:18] <Jymmm> anomynous: See, we spammed the internetz just to punk you on hall effect... it really is that damn kid
[13:56:26] <anomynous> got me ;)
[13:56:53] <enleth> fenn: this is a possibility, I did not touch the lower bearings at all but the spindle nose can be screwed all the way in with no gap
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[13:58:15] <enleth> fenn: the manual suggests replacing preload spacers if that happens but I wonder if an additional spacer can be added between the nose cap and the lower bearing.
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[14:00:21] <enleth> oh, there is one more thing. the bearings had "v" marks lightly scratched on the outer race, pointing towards the other bearing, that looks a bit like witness marks that are supposed to be present on matched bearings
[14:00:38] <enleth> but those marks were not aligned
[14:01:53] <enleth> however, I could not twist the bearings
[14:03:05] <skunkworks> Wolf_Mill, how are they controlling it? some sort of hall also?
[14:04:40] <Wolf_Mill> skunkworks: yup, hall chip in that box in the top of the pic
[14:05:03] <skunkworks> how are you planning on controlling it?
[14:05:23] <skunkworks> This is the ebay sewing machine drive/motor combo?
[14:06:03] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, 750w ac servo motor from ebay
[14:06:47] <enleth> the one that was advertised as quiet when not running?
[14:13:09] <Wolf_Mill> that was a joke sorta, commercial sewing machines either use servo motors or a constant running motor w/ a pedal activated clutch
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[14:18:23] <skunkworks> Wolf_Mill, are you milling in the background?
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[14:19:25] <CaptHindsight> toy robot arm https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dobot/dobot-robotic-arm-for-everyone-arduino-and-open-so?ref=category
[14:20:54] <Wolf_Mill> I was, till the damn chips built up andtriggered my limit switch
[14:21:42] <skunkworks> yeck
[14:22:15] <CaptHindsight> toy robot arm for 1/2 the price http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIY-4-Axis-Servos-Control-Palletizing-Robot-Arm-Model-for-Arduino-UNO-MEGA2560-/351150915118
[14:23:25] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: But that one doens't say Arduino, or kickstarter
[14:23:28] <malcom2073> that's worth at least $100
[14:23:32] <malcom2073> extra
[14:24:34] <CaptHindsight> heh well it actually has Arduino in the description
[14:24:44] <malcom2073> ah true, I missed that
[14:25:32] <CaptHindsight> a 6-axis for less with Arduino in the description http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIY-6-Axis-Servo-Control-Palletizing-Robot-Arm-Model-for-Arduino-UNO-MEGA2560-R3-/121642966422
[14:25:42] <malcom2073> Well, the KS one uses steppers, not hobby servos
[14:26:05] <malcom2073> But tbh, for an arm that small, do you need that much power?
[14:27:21] <CaptHindsight> heh EEG control
[14:27:37] <CaptHindsight> Obey and worship me
[14:28:17] <malcom2073> Heh
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[14:29:12] <lair82> pcw_home You around?
[14:29:56] <Wolf_Mill> ok, now that I have the mill back up and running, the speed control. I'm gonna hook the scope up to it and see what the pedal is putting out, then see if I can trick it somehow :)
[14:32:01] <pcw_home> lair82: Yes
[14:32:48] <lair82> Hey pcw, I was going to ask for the link to sserial firmware update, but I just found the files in my thumb drive.
[14:34:17] <pcw_home> there were a few recent fixes to the scripts so you might want to refetch the sserial.zip file from Mesa
[14:34:45] <lair82> I had to rebuild my machine that was the first one to be done 3 years ago, I finally got rid of the faulty HDD and put a new SSD in it, and now I am getting faults that the firmware is out of date on my 7i70, 7i71, and 7i73
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[14:35:06] <lair82> Do you have the the link handy?
[14:35:28] <pcw_home> http://www.mesanet.com/software/parallel/sserial.zip
[14:35:45] <lair82> Thank You sir
[14:36:07] <pcw_home> in linuxcnc/utils ( read the README file )
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[14:44:17] <Wolf_Mill> pcw_home: the spindleX thing, that should work on this sewing motor box right? got 5v at the hall, 2.2v to start moving, 1.2v wide open...
[14:44:47] <pcw_home> for a spindle?
[14:44:56] <Wolf_Mill> yeah
[14:45:16] <pcw_home> is it reversable somehow?
[14:45:40] <Wolf_Mill> maybe...
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[14:47:08] <Wolf_Mill> I might need to contact the seller for that tho... but it says it can do rev via pedal (hall sensor)
[14:48:37] <pcw_home> is the original speed control a variable voltage?
[14:50:50] <Wolf_Mill> ? http://i.imgur.com/CyNObxX.jpg
[14:51:34] <Sync> you could probably use our controller
[14:53:49] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: What voltage/current does that need?
[14:54:32] <ganzuul> blargh
[14:54:41] <Wolf_Mill> which part?
[14:54:44] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: The motor
[14:54:52] <Wolf_Mill> 110v
[14:54:54] <ganzuul> 10 thou cuts is taking forever to get down to size.
[14:54:59] <Wolf_Mill> 8A
[14:55:00] <malcom2073> Not the controller
[14:55:14] <ganzuul> 9797282
[14:55:15] <malcom2073> Hmm, I have a 80V/8A Elmo controller that may work
[14:55:19] <ganzuul> bleh
[14:55:22] <Wolf_Mill> no idea lol
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[14:55:52] <malcom2073> Well, my dad does. They're super cheap though, he may be willing to part with it. Takes all sorts of inputs, step and direction, voltage for rpm, serial,
[14:56:05] <malcom2073> You'd need a 80VDC power supply though
[14:56:39] <automata__> hi pcw_home
[14:57:59] <malcom2073> You using this for your spindle?
[14:58:33] <Wolf_Mill> 200v ac
[14:59:19] <malcom2073> Ahh, nevermind
[14:59:43] <Wolf_Mill> yeah spindle :)
[15:01:24] <malcom2073> Maybe just get a VFD
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[15:02:35] <Wolf_Mill> well, i only need rev if i'm tapping right?
[15:03:03] <malcom2073> Correct, and you'll be able to set rev close enough for normal machining ops with a VFD
[15:03:27] <malcom2073> Infact, you can probably just slap an encoder on the motor if you want to do rigid tapping with it
[15:04:18] <Wolf_Mill> or encoder on the spindle?
[15:04:28] <malcom2073> Or that if it's easier
[15:05:28] <Wolf_Mill> ordered the hightorque head, so I have a big empty box with the spindle inthe middle, no gears :)
[15:05:38] <malcom2073> Nice
[15:05:47] <Sync> you will also need the low end torque in the motor
[15:06:25] <_methods> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/skarp/the-skarp-laser-razor-21st-century-shaving
[15:06:32] <_methods> kickstarter you make me lol so hard
[15:06:46] <_methods> 10,000 morons
[15:06:53] <_methods> and $2mil
[15:06:58] <Sync> well, at least kickstarter makes money
[15:07:06] <chris_99> someone mentioned in another channel you could use a laser galvanometer for super fast shaving ;)
[15:07:16] <chris_99> *mirror galvo
[15:07:42] <_methods> a glowin hot metal pan will work too
[15:07:47] <chris_99> heh
[15:07:52] <_methods> might leave some residual burning/scarring
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[15:26:22] <ganzuul> \o/
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[15:26:41] * ganzuul found a good way to get lots of stock removal on the 7x lathe!
[15:27:16] <pcw_home> Leave the chuck too loose?
[15:27:48] <ganzuul> Turn the tool upside down, dig straight in with the crossfeed. I'm using the parting tool for this to chip away just less than half its width at a time.
[15:28:02] <ganzuul> Oh, and of course run the lathe in reverse.
[15:28:58] <ganzuul> Need earplugs though. It make a very loud whistling noise.
[15:30:04] <ganzuul> It leaves a very rough cut, but it's fast.
[15:30:22] <ganzuul> And no issue with self-feeding or danger of running into the jaws.
[15:33:30] <CaptHindsight> mount this on the robot arm for "laser face milling" https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/skarp/the-skarp-laser-razor-21st-century-shaving?ref=category
[15:33:48] <ganzuul> I should get this cordelss screwdriver to actuate the crossfeed somehow... Would leave me a hand free to apply coolant.
[15:34:28] <ganzuul> "No razor burn"
[15:34:32] <ganzuul> ahhuh...
[15:34:46] <CaptHindsight> laser burn
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[15:40:33] <Tom_itx> Wolf_Mill, you got that thing hacked yet? i see you already voided the warranty....
[15:41:40] <Wolf_Mill> basic spin is easy
[15:41:52] <Wolf_Mill> getting it to rev, might be little harder
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[15:46:08] <Wolf_Mill> yay moar parts http://i.imgur.com/IyFTeVm.jpg
[15:46:45] <ganzuul> \o/ x2
[15:46:52] <ganzuul> Ghetto power feed works!
[15:47:39] <ganzuul> Even has a feedstop. Handle bolt comes loose.
[15:48:33] <Tom_itx> Wolf_, is that the motor?
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[15:49:21] <enleth> ganzuul: isn't a whistling noise on a lathe just a sign that your stock is rubbing over a flat on the cutter?
[15:50:58] <archivist> whistle is tool chatter
[15:52:24] <archivist> as distinct to the lower groan when the stock and chuck vibrate
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[15:55:57] <Wolf_Mill> Tom_itx: nope, thats a big ass air cylinder
[15:56:22] <Tom_itx> oh for tool changer?
[15:56:35] <Wolf_Mill> yup, 3" w/ 3/4" stroke
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[15:59:00] <ganzuul> It's a very high pitch noise...
[15:59:45] <ganzuul> The tool is only approximately centered, so that could be a reason.
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[16:02:59] <ganzuul> Otherwise this method is very undramatic. Just very fast stock removal. Enen faster with the screwdriver turning the handle.
[16:05:48] <ganzuul> Oh, and IPA evaporating quickly the mess is just clean chips.
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[16:25:40] <ganzuul> Huh.
[16:25:51] <ganzuul> Coolant isn't keeping up.
[16:26:32] <ganzuul> I got this garden mister/sprayer that SpeedEvil suggested. But I suspect spraying IPA with it is asking for trouble.
[16:28:41] <SpeedEvil> gwaaaan.
[16:28:49] <SpeedEvil> More sanely.
[16:29:00] <SpeedEvil> If you cut it with water, then it is lots less flammable
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[16:29:33] <SpeedEvil> If you arrange it so it is just squirting out a little stream - not a spray - as it does under low pressure too
[16:29:36] <ganzuul> I'm sure I can find a way to set water on fire.
[16:29:56] <ganzuul> I'll try!
[16:31:53] <SpeedEvil> cut lithium.
[16:33:40] <ganzuul> Might need a smaller diam nozzle...
[16:34:49] <ganzuul> Then again my shop vac does handle wet stuff too...
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[17:01:22] <tiwake> herm
[17:01:29] <tiwake> I need to figure out what inserts I have
[17:01:46] <tiwake> also, I cant find the box of extra inserts for this
[17:01:48] <tiwake> bah
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[17:08:04] <tiwake> ah here they are
[17:10:50] <tiwake> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-KOMET-W29-34010-047930-BK-7930-NEU-/160894177317
[17:11:01] <tiwake> thats the inserts I have, looking for a bigger radius
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[17:16:04] <CaptHindsight> ganzuul: you just need the right tap water https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8
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[17:30:37] <tiwake> so I can make a smaller hole
[17:31:09] <tiwake> (with an insert drill)
[17:33:19] <anomynous> hand up who likes to mill or drill dry rather than use coolant
[17:33:56] <archivist> depends what you are drilling/milling, brass is always dry
[17:34:01] <anomynous> steel
[17:34:22] <anomynous> or anything you can do dry, really ;D
[17:34:35] <archivist> and also for some metals depends on cutter material
[17:34:54] <tiwake> if you go slow enough you dont need coolant
[17:35:02] <tiwake> except for titanium :-x
[17:35:14] <anomynous> or if you go fast enough you break your inserts with coolant
[17:35:18] <archivist> eg you can crack your carbide tools with poor cooling, it is better dry then
[17:35:23] <ganzuul> SpeedEvil: Not sure if water is the best coolant on cast iron... I WD40ed the lathe from the toolpost down now.
[17:36:28] <anomynous> not just poor cooling, but just flood cooling and thermal shock
[17:37:12] <anomynous> well... thermal shock isnt an issue in manual mill i think ;D usually... but id hate to get water sprayed all over
[17:37:14] <anomynous> :(
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[17:39:45] <ganzuul> Might be very effective with a smaller nozzle. Shouldn't be too hard to do that.
[17:39:48] <anomynous> i dont know why i brought this up but sandvik altogether recommends against using coolant in roughing :€ And picking up a dry part is just so much nicer
[17:40:52] <archivist> carbide can handle heat but not rapid cooling
[17:41:57] <tiwake> herm
[17:42:41] <tiwake> how to measure how deep a (really) bad surface is
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[17:43:27] <archivist> a surface roughness meter
[17:43:30] <tiwake> need something pointy
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[17:43:47] <archivist> it has a diamond stylus
[17:44:03] <tiwake> archivist: using an insert drill, its digging into the surface of the hole a fair amount in some places
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[17:44:44] <tiwake> I dont think its too much, but I need to know if 0.007" will cover it
[17:44:53] <anomynous> archivist, youre right. Carbide can take heat ;D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-nX4iky9oQ
[17:44:57] <tiwake> cause after the drilling we ream the hole
[17:45:06] <tiwake> the ream needs to clean it up
[17:45:32] <tiwake> I dont have a surface roughness tester
[17:46:32] <archivist> I might drill in more stages to get closer to a reaming size
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[17:47:25] <tiwake> its a production job, doing 600 of these in an order, maybe 6 or so orders a year
[17:48:18] <tiwake> 4-6
[17:48:19] <tiwake> hmm
[17:48:21] <archivist> I can understand wanting to go from roughing to ream but I think you may be pushing your luck
[17:48:35] <tiwake> enh
[17:48:55] <tiwake> the hole diameter is +-0.002"
[17:49:13] <tiwake> so its not really critical
[17:50:24] <tiwake> for a reamer anyway
[17:50:34] <tiwake> 1.502" +-0.002"
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[17:51:42] <maxcnc> hi is it posibel to grep in a UserDefind Mcode the axis.0.pos-relativ
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[17:53:34] <maxcnc> i woudt like to make a pyvcp button that set the G10 L20 P1 X half
[17:54:08] <maxcnc> half the amount the pos-relativ showes
[17:56:00] <Loetmichel> carbide tools can take heat up to the temperature where the sinter "glue" metal melts (IIRC usually nickel)
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[17:56:27] <Loetmichel> i used 1/8" shank mill bits pretty much to red hot
[17:56:36] <Loetmichel> without any dullness afterwards
[17:56:46] <Loetmichel> tungsten carbide of course
[17:58:03] <Loetmichel> and i managed to weld one of the carbide shafts to a cast steel vice once...
[17:58:05] <anomynous> cbn turning is fun to watch ;D
[17:58:23] <anomynous> how did you do that
[17:59:21] <Loetmichel> at 24krpm moving the shaft sideways into the vice is bad. and the steppers simply stopped, exerting pressure but not breaking it... took longer to press esc than the mill bot to be white hot
[17:59:35] <Loetmichel> and then after esc weld to the vice as it cools down ;)
[17:59:55] <tiwake> heh
[17:59:58] <anomynous> did you leave it for decoration?
[18:00:09] <tiwake> the hall of fame shelf
[18:00:14] <Loetmichel> sadly the vice dont exist anymore
[18:00:22] <Loetmichel> but i would have kept it
[18:00:22] <tiwake> I should do that
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[18:00:41] <tiwake> set up a shelf for a hall of fame crashes
[18:00:59] <Loetmichel> it even embedded itseld a good 2mm deep in the side of the vice
[18:01:34] <Loetmichel> not "cutting" the steel but "welding" its way thru ;)
[18:03:30] <anomynous> i mismeasured a toroid mill and slow-rapided into vice. Boss ordered another one of the mills, but another one took the tool and borked it right after :(
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[18:04:12] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[18:04:27] <tiwake> Loetmichel: where I used to work, somebody managed to friction weld a drill collet to the collet of the lathe
[18:04:37] <Loetmichel> ouch
[18:04:54] <tiwake> it was a pretty good weld too... heh
[18:05:01] <Loetmichel> that was an expensive error, wasnt it?`
[18:05:08] <tiwake> uh
[18:05:48] <Loetmichel> to be honest i was surprised that you could friction weld a TC bit to cast steel at all.
[18:06:05] <Loetmichel> with arc or autogen welding thats NOT possible...
[18:06:07] <tiwake> I think they used a sledge hammer to knock it off, and massaged it into usable condition
[18:06:22] <Loetmichel> tiwake: really?
[18:06:33] <Loetmichel> what do you do there? precision micron parts?
[18:06:47] <tiwake> cut the face of the collet back
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[18:07:21] <tiwake> Loetmichel: no, it was this place http://www.bigskyprecision.com/
[18:07:55] <Loetmichel> ahm yeah
[18:08:18] <Loetmichel> hopefully i never fly a plane that was build with these "precision" parts then
[18:08:32] <tiwake> the parts are pretty good really
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[18:08:54] <Loetmichel> hitting anything thats mounted on the main spindle of a "standard size" lathe with a sledgehammer is a nono
[18:09:04] <Loetmichel> if you dont want to buy a new main shaft afterwards
[18:09:19] <tiwake> oh, no... they took the collet out of the machine before sledgehammer
[18:09:20] <tiwake> heh
[18:09:25] <Loetmichel> ah, ok
[18:09:35] <tiwake> yeah, that would have been even dumber
[18:10:05] <tiwake> my lathe on the other hand
[18:10:10] <tiwake> I dont think it would blink
[18:10:37] <tiwake> its a big beefy lathe, it would take a lot to screw with how its set
[18:11:15] <Loetmichel> i met a lathe worker once that made new "diazed 63A" fuse inserts for his main motor out of steel on his lathe because "the ceramic ones blow all the time!"
[18:11:33] <Loetmichel> ... the lathe was a 4 meters diameter vertical one
[18:12:00] <Loetmichel> <- had to replace the 192kW motor afterwars
[18:12:03] <Loetmichel> +d
[18:12:31] <Loetmichel> i think that is right in the "precision work" department for that monster ;)
[18:12:56] <Loetmichel> THERE you could and would use a sledgehammer to tighten and loosen some mounting screws
[18:13:16] <Loetmichel> but on any reasonable sized lather i wouldnt use a hammer at all
[18:13:34] <tiwake> my machine weighs something like 13-14,000lbs
[18:13:40] <Loetmichel> other than a copper/lead one to push workpieces gently into positoion
[18:14:22] <Loetmichel> thats on the big side of "reasonably sized" but still in it in my book ;)
[18:14:58] <Loetmichel> thats only about 6-7 metric tons, isnt it?
[18:15:11] <tiwake> enh, could be, it would depend on length, which in my case is shortish
[18:15:55] <tiwake> its about 16" of travel to the font of the collet from home position
[18:16:13] <ganzuul> My machine weights 43,000 grams...
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[18:17:26] <anomynous> ganzuul, psst. Use mg to get a bigger number. They lose.
[18:17:38] <Loetmichel> i was talking about these: http://hellwig-gmbh.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/K-5002.jpg
[18:18:07] <tiwake> Loetmichel: thats cheating, its not a lathe
[18:18:07] <anomynous> thats a big lathe
[18:18:23] <Loetmichel> tiwake: it is
[18:18:37] <tiwake> its one of those turn table milling things
[18:18:41] <Loetmichel> the lower person is standing ont the "chuck"
[18:18:46] <Loetmichel> yeah
[18:18:57] <Loetmichel> but not milling
[18:18:59] <Loetmichel> tunrning
[18:19:10] <tiwake> hmm
[18:19:34] <tiwake> I'll settle with a hybrid :-x
[18:19:49] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZnpgEdJbrU
[18:19:51] <Loetmichel> like this
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[18:20:20] <Loetmichel> its a pure pathe
[18:20:22] <Loetmichel> lathe
[18:21:02] <tiwake> meh, fine
[18:21:07] <Loetmichel> ganzuul: my small one only weights 13000 gramm ;)
[18:21:13] <Loetmichel> (C0)
[18:21:58] <Loetmichel> and my mill is even lighter ;)
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[18:44:17] <MattyMatt> the one the girlfriend was tied to in Deja Vu just had a toolpost. no active tooling gantry
[18:50:54] <MattyMatt> was it Face Off? I can't find the scene in Deja Vu
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[19:01:13] <ganzuul> Loetmichel: I'm upgrading my SC3. Getting a 1 inch wider saddle and a 5 inch indepenedent 4 jaw chuck. Next, an oversized QCTP and a mod to lower it, so I can use 16mm toolbits.
[19:01:40] <ganzuul> That way, when I move on to the next size lathe I'll be able to bring a lot of my old tooling with me.
[19:04:08] <tiwake> alright, got some inserts ordered
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[19:25:50] <_methods> VTL
[19:26:01] <_methods> big VTL
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[19:26:32] <archivist> where?
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[19:26:36] <archivist> gimme
[19:26:44] <_methods> Loetmichel pic earlier
[19:27:05] <_methods> http://hellwig-gmbh.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/K-5002.jpg
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[19:28:19] <archivist> I walked by one about that size some years ago at a factory that made tunnel boring machines
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[19:28:33] <archivist> all gone now
[19:28:43] <_methods> http://www.camcomachine.com/images/MORANDO1_VTL.JPG
[19:29:36] <archivist> got the CMM a bit further today, got it to calibrate the probe
[19:29:49] <_methods> ah nice you got it to get past the homing error
[19:29:55] <archivist> pc dmis is junk though
[19:29:56] <_methods> what was causing it to not home out
[19:30:13] <_methods> well unfortunately the cmm world is full of bad software
[19:30:16] <archivist> the probe has to be in contact first!
[19:30:24] <_methods> ahhh
[19:30:35] <_methods> contact with what?
[19:30:52] <archivist> its contacts seem a bit iffy
[19:31:07] <_methods> it just has to have a probe in the probe head?
[19:31:59] <archivist> just a simple contact type probe so if its contacts are open the software refuses to home
[19:32:43] <archivist> wiggle the probe stylus end and it came to life
[19:32:55] <renesis> archivist: this is the 'free probe?
[19:32:57] <_methods> weird so it won't home until it thinks it's hit something lol
[19:33:03] <renesis> *'free'
[19:33:06] <archivist> renesis, yes
[19:33:19] <renesis> that sucks
[19:33:32] <archivist> _methods, no, it has to be shorted (not hitting)
[19:33:33] <renesis> tho makes sense
[19:33:41] <_methods> oh well that makes more sense
[19:33:46] <archivist> dirty contacts
[19:34:00] <_methods> ok that's much more better
[19:34:24] <archivist> might dismember the probe and clean inside soon
[19:35:38] <archivist> improvised a datum sphere today and made a right angle stylus adapter to get it something to calibrate onto
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[19:44:58] <archivist> my other option is to make an adapter and fit the other probe I have
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[20:35:56] <MrSunshine> hmm any diff in how much a countersunk screw can take compared to a cap head screw ?
[20:36:24] <ganzuul> How much torque?
[20:36:29] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: how much your toquring it down to?
[20:37:05] <MrSunshine> or something .. i need to fasten a chuck on the lathe, easier to make a deep coutner sink compared to making a hole for a cap head
[20:37:09] <ganzuul> hmmm... Sharp corners are stressy-points, right?
[20:37:43] <ganzuul> Fracture points... What's it called?
[20:38:48] <Jymmm> Is it common to smell "something" in a wood stove when the fire is almost dead? This is the stove I have http://www.homedepot.com/p/US-Stove-2-000-sq-ft-EPA-Certified-Wood-Burning-Stove-2000/202815104
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[20:39:28] <Jymmm> I dont see any smoke, but I DO smell something like how a campfire smells when it's just smoldering.
[20:39:52] <MrSunshine> if the fire is almost dead i guess it will still smell
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[20:40:00] <ganzuul> Might need to get your chimney de-sooted.
[20:40:04] <MrSunshine> as long as something is burning
[20:40:29] <Jymmm> It was so strong at a point that I got a headache and re-opened the windows/doors
[20:41:04] <Jymmm> ganzuul: is that a guess?
[20:41:12] <Jymmm> ganzuul: or personal experiance?
[20:41:44] <Jymmm> There is a gasket around the door, and I don't smell anythign when the fire was hot.
[20:42:09] <ganzuul> Educated guess. Limited experience from growing up in a house which saw a lot of wood stove heating in the winters. - The walls of the chimney should be still hot, causing an updraft. Soot buildup will constrain airflow and refract heat.
[20:42:39] <ganzuul> Also, the soot can catch fire and release carbon monoxide.
[20:42:40] <Jymmm> ganzuul: Right, I am aware of needing a hot stove pipe
[20:42:59] <Wolf_Mill> or lack of heat is letting air draft back down
[20:43:01] <ganzuul> Carbon monoxide, AFAIK, causes headaches.
[20:43:07] <ganzuul> And death.
[20:43:24] <Jymmm> ganzuul: There is a CO monitor behind the stove
[20:43:25] <ganzuul> And memory loss.
[20:43:34] <ganzuul> Is it working?
[20:43:35] <Jymmm> ganzuul: huh? whoa r yoou?
[20:43:48] <Jymmm> ganzuul: it blinks green every 90 seconds
[20:44:14] <ganzuul> Does it need regular maintenance?
[20:44:49] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: But the stove pipe was hot from the 2hr burn before, you think it would cool down enough that it would down draft?
[20:45:37] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: I would think any warm/hot pipe and the residual heat from the firebrick would keep the stovepipe hot enough to prevent that.
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[20:46:02] <Wolf_Mill> probably not
[20:46:31] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: You have a wood stove?
[20:46:41] <Wolf_Mill> a couple
[20:46:58] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: And it never smells at the end of a burn?
[20:47:27] <Jymmm> ...when it's just smoldering
[20:47:35] <Wolf_Mill> mine are about 400lbs of steel plate
[20:47:55] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: This is mine http://www.homedepot.com/p/US-Stove-2-000-sq-ft-EPA-Certified-Wood-Burning-Stove-2000/202815104
[20:49:06] <Wolf_Mill> oo 21" log...
[20:49:21] <Deejay> gn8
[20:49:32] * ganzuul tucks Deejay in
[20:49:43] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, they dont hold heat very long, and newer stove pipe really doesnt hold heat
[20:49:47] * Jymmm ducttapes Deejay
[20:50:11] <Deejay> stop that ;)
[20:50:14] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: you need to caption your videos :)
[20:50:17] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: Well, I would think 100F should still hve an updraft
[20:50:24] <XXCoder> I have couple resources if you want to.
[20:50:34] <Wolf_Mill> fire brick is also just to keep you from killing the stove
[20:50:56] <Wolf_Mill> depends on how sealed the house it
[20:51:00] <Wolf_Mill> it/is
[20:51:03] * Deejay falls asleep now. cya tomorrow, gents
[20:51:14] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: And it never smells at the end of a burn; when it's just smoldering
[20:51:18] <Jymmm> ??
[20:51:23] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: yours that is
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[20:51:34] <Wolf_Mill> sometimes
[20:51:38] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: autocaptions of you speaking seems.. qyite accurate at times so edit should be pretty fast.
[20:52:07] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: How long does it last for (ballpark) ?
[20:52:11] <Jymmm> the smell
[20:52:29] <Wolf_Mill> but mine is in a one level garage thats sealed tight as a screen door
[20:53:12] <Jymmm> lol
[20:53:27] <Wolf_Mill> other is at my moms house, it will smoke the house up if you let it get too far down
[20:53:50] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: is Moms' stove sealed?
[20:53:50] <Wolf_Mill> due to warm air leaking out of the house, woodstove is in the basement
[20:54:02] <Wolf_Mill> na we dont have that epa BS
[20:54:07] <Jymmm> lol
[20:54:34] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: Just a 55gal drum and some reclaimed asbestose pipe?
[20:54:36] <Wolf_Mill> usually just crack the basement door open to get the draft back up in the right direction
[20:54:53] <Wolf_Mill> sierra woodstove
[20:56:03] * Jymmm goes to find a tophat, brush, and ladder
[21:02:52] <Wolf_Mill> air leaks, clothes drier, gas fired water heater all can cause neg pressure in teh house, same thing that caused propane/nat gas tankless hotwater heaters to freeze up in the winter
[21:03:29] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.foundvalue.com/upload/images/products/sandyandjim_632981497370625000_full%20view%201.jpg < what mine and my moms woodstove looks like
[21:03:35] <Wolf_Mill> both have the same one
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[21:51:44] <PetefromTn_> hey folks
[21:52:08] <PetefromTn_> whatzgoinon in LinuxCNC Land today?
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[21:55:35] <JT-Shop> making a cargo carrier for the Spyder
[21:56:02] <PetefromTn_> sweet
[21:56:19] <PetefromTn_> I managed to finish my PVC anodizing tank aerator
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[21:56:44] <PetefromTn_> seems to work good or at least it makes lots of bubbles. If it were not for the acid I would quite enjoy a dip! ;)
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[22:00:34] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/zdwrxQh Working on some merge collectors for the big turbo car. What do you guys think so far?
[22:01:57] <Contract_Pilot> Walmart stepper/drivers still processing....
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[22:06:09] <[cube]> looks great pete
[22:06:30] <PetefromTn_> you think so? I am trying to get this down man LOL
[22:06:51] <[cube]> welds are nice
[22:07:00] <[cube]> afraid i dont know much about custom headers tho
[22:07:15] <[cube]> zeeshan would know more
[22:07:21] <PetefromTn_> heh probably
[22:07:28] <PetefromTn_> I am still learning myself.
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[22:11:32] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Walmart-Steppers-and-Drivers-1024x498.jpg
[22:12:15] <JT-Shop> looking good PetefromTn_
[22:12:49] <Contract_Pilot> the only diffreance is say items about to ship.
[22:13:43] <Contract_Pilot> But whonder what will be in the box for the price.
[22:14:21] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop Thanks man. I am not where I want to be with it yet but I am getting better every day I work there I think..
[22:15:51] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: You are clearly a man who likes a challenge, how about this 4:1 in titanium? https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CMJx1MDjG_qDzzfPuPIFLCE34QWor4gUzfw_1O9qsPw?feat=directlink
[22:16:20] <PetefromTn_> nice andy did you make that?
[22:16:27] <andypugh> It’s not mine
[22:16:42] <PetefromTn_> looks THIN!
[22:16:54] <andypugh> A loony of my acquantance is trying to make it for his little V10 engine.
[22:17:13] <Sync> PetefromTn_: realistically you don't need more than 1.5mm
[22:17:18] <andypugh> it is also very small
[22:17:26] <PetefromTn_> LOL just noticed you can see my PRECISION CHINESE POS CNC vise in my picture
[22:17:41] <PetefromTn_> Sync on what?
[22:17:50] <Sync> headers
[22:19:04] <PetefromTn_> actually these things are very heavy duty because this thing will completely support a VERY large and heavy turbo charger
[22:19:08] <andypugh> Actually, that’s a 5:1 collector. And the tubes are probably 3/8” diameter :-)
[22:19:33] <PetefromTn_> and the heat generated here is substantial so typical thin tube will usually crack and fail quickly
[22:19:42] <Sync> you should mount the turbocharger not through the header
[22:19:52] <Sync> so that the tube is not stressed
[22:19:53] <andypugh> He is making them by a method which I suggested, 3D-printing a core and nickel-plating onto that.
[22:20:00] <PetefromTn_> that IS the mount
[22:20:21] <PetefromTn_> the turbo bolts directly to the mount that feeds it
[22:20:46] <PetefromTn_> some people add exterior supports but honestly there is not a lot of places on the turbo to connect to anyway
[22:20:52] <andypugh> Every turbo that I have worked on has hung directly from the header. It’s the only way to cope with thermal expansion.
[22:21:29] <PetefromTn_> believe me when I tell you that the manifold is more than up to the task of supporting the turbo
[22:21:38] <PetefromTn_> It could probably hold up my van LOL
[22:22:01] <Sync> yes, thus they are too heavy
[22:22:21] <Sync> andypugh: I've seen external mounts on 80s f1 cars
[22:22:28] <Sync> as they had issues with the headers cracking
[22:22:52] <Tom_itx> my kid gets to 3d print all the parts he's done in catia at school
[22:22:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah they are a little heavy but they serve a purpose and the car is hopefully going to make near 1k HP so I think it is a trade off LOL ;)
[22:23:15] <Tom_itx> i told him that might be nice to have to show what you've done
[22:24:05] <Sync> if they are cracking from heat, you are using the wrong material
[22:24:10] <Sync> http://www.gurneyflap.com/Resources/DSC_7693.jpg
[22:24:19] * ganzuul discovered the machinist's dance today!
[22:24:54] <Tom_itx> get hot chips down your pants?
[22:25:17] <Sync> http://www.gurneyflap.com/Resources/RENAULT%20RE20-296.jpg
[22:25:50] <ganzuul> Tom_itx: Shirt only, thankfully.
[22:26:13] <[cube]> welder's waltz lol
[22:26:24] <Tom_itx> better than getting weld slag in your boot
[22:26:49] <[cube]> got some slag flew in my visor
[22:26:56] <Sync> although I must say welding very thin inconel is annoying
[22:26:59] <[cube]> settle right next to my eye
[22:27:02] <[cube]> got a nice lil scar
[22:28:12] <Sync> andypugh: how about lost wax casting?
[22:29:12] <andypugh> Sync: The teeny headers are cracking when he melts out the plastic print. But he seeems to have solved that now.
[22:29:37] <Sync> hmm
[22:29:39] <andypugh> Sync: He is lost-wax casting some parts, he built a nice super-small scale DLP printer for that.
[22:29:40] <PetefromTn_> Oh that's a BITCH I have had hot chips fly up and land on my forehead, bounce off my glasses and land on the top of my cheekbone and BURN the crap out of me before...NO FUN
[22:29:57] <ganzuul> I need to get muself a cool looking clear visor. Almost got another chip in my mouth.
[22:30:21] <Wolf_Mill> worst ever, weld slag in ear
[22:30:32] <ganzuul> ...ouch
[22:30:38] <Sync> machine from solid andypugh? :D
[22:30:54] <Sync> should be a nice 5 axis excercise
[22:31:50] <andypugh> Sync: It’s this project: http://www.f1-2000.co.uk/index.php?f=conrods
[22:32:06] <PetefromTn_> Wolf_Mill I have been welding under my Wife's Mustang years ago and had some slag fall down.....there. almost knocked it off the jackstands trying to get out from underneath it while enjoying the sizzle LOL
[22:33:02] <PetefromTn_> damn that con rod is gorgeous LOL
[22:33:28] <Sync> neat
[22:33:45] <andypugh> Look at the section on fuel injectors
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[22:34:56] <PetefromTn_> heh that damn tiny con rod probably got more machinist love than most of the parts I have ever made
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[22:38:25] <ganzuul> ...Is that part a miniature?
[22:38:44] <ganzuul> derp
[22:38:54] <ganzuul> says in the page title.
[22:39:06] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah it is TINY
[22:39:38] <Sync> nice
[22:39:49] <Sync> although the injector is producing droplets
[22:40:15] <ganzuul> Are pneumatic valves still a thing for F1 engines?
[22:41:16] <Sync> yes
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[22:42:21] <ganzuul> Those get pretty hot, right? What are they made of?
[22:43:57] <ganzuul> I have ruled out cheese.
[22:45:26] <Sync> high temp alloys
[22:45:34] <Sync> probably inconel with ti stems
[22:45:38] <Sync> or even ceramic
[22:45:53] <ganzuul> hmm
[22:47:06] <andypugh> The same chap has working pneumatic valves
[22:47:31] <andypugh> (not on the out-of-date web site yet)
[22:48:56] <andypugh> This is how he makes tiny valve collets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOPW4-WRRMs
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[22:58:09] <ganzuul> what is this an engine for ants
[22:58:34] <andypugh> A bit bigger than ants, but the challenge does seem to be the size.
[22:59:55] <Tom_itx> i wonder if he's keeping track of his man hours building it
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[23:02:27] <andypugh> I doubt it
[23:02:41] <andypugh> He basically doesn’t seem to do much else.
[23:02:53] <andypugh> (well, he runs a company too)
[23:03:03] <Tom_itx> i was gonna ask if he was retired
[23:03:21] <andypugh> He spends a lot of money, latest toy is a 4-reservoir dental grit-blasting setup.
[23:04:06] <andypugh> http://www.renfert.com/gbr/en/products/dentist-mini-laboratory/fine-sandblasting-units/basic-quattro.html does not look cheap
[23:06:04] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191423803099?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT - how would you make these?
[23:06:13] <SpeedEvil> They are ~0.8mm or so thick stainless
[23:06:22] <SpeedEvil> Would these simply be spun from flat?
[23:06:37] <Tom_itx> probably
[23:06:40] <Tom_itx> or stamped
[23:06:41] <SpeedEvil> Or welded from the base and a pipe?
[23:07:04] <andypugh> SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsbeREDUkn0
[23:07:05] <SpeedEvil> I am wondering as one has developed a pinhole 1/4" up the side
[23:07:20] <Tom_itx> if it's annealed when drawn they may run it thru a press
[23:07:39] <Tom_itx> dunno
[23:08:08] <ganzuul> There are thin-bottomed and thick-bottomed cookware.
[23:08:26] <SpeedEvil> yeah - this is much, much, much shittier than that
[23:08:33] <SpeedEvil> the bottom is thin stainless
[23:08:46] <SpeedEvil> the same guage as the walls
[23:09:26] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uuFWzkRcAg
[23:09:29] <Tom_itx> SpeedEvil,
[23:09:46] <Tom_itx> those are aluminum though
[23:09:53] <ganzuul> How It's Made has made me believe these would be made through a series of die presses.
[23:10:12] <ganzuul> Same was as aluminium cans.
[23:11:08] <ganzuul> Well poop. That's what Tom_itx posted.
[23:11:40] <andypugh> I posted one on stainless induction pans
[23:11:55] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: yes - but nice ones - with three layer bottoms
[23:12:05] <Tom_itx> andy knows all about spinning metal
[23:12:23] <SpeedEvil> I diddn't think it could spin that high.
[23:12:50] <SpeedEvil> But the walls seem as thick as the base.
[23:13:06] <SpeedEvil> surely if it was spun, the top would be double the thickness of the base or more?
[23:13:36] <Tom_itx> i've never bothered putting a mic on one
[23:14:11] <SpeedEvil> I now wish I had the appropriate tools to measure it.
[23:14:15] <andypugh> You can spin thicker or thninner
[23:14:34] <SpeedEvil> oh
[23:14:37] <Tom_itx> it's probably up to where and how you use the tools
[23:14:42] <SpeedEvil> yeah - the radius isn't constant
[23:15:01] <andypugh> ie, you can stretch over the former or lay onto the former. It is that control over thickness that keeps spinning still commercially viable.
[23:15:13] <SpeedEvil> yeah - I see that.
[23:15:22] <SpeedEvil> I'd naively assumed it was a simple folding process
[23:15:38] <SpeedEvil> but it can stretch the metal too 'away' from the blank
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[23:36:23] <PetefromTn_> Damn I need a lathe heh
[23:41:18] <jdh> buy a lathe
[23:41:45] <PetefromTn_> I need to machine a V band flange heat sink so I can tig weld these things properly without distorting the piss out of them LOL
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[23:47:16] <robinsz> evening ...
[23:47:33] <robinsz> andypugh, I wonder if you can assist me?
[23:47:51] <andypugh> Yes, but only briefly at 0047
[23:47:53] <andypugh> :-)
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[23:48:44] <robinsz> I have this car that keeps failing its emissions test ...
[23:48:54] <robinsz> I figure a small software tweak ...
[23:48:58] <robinsz> ;)
[23:49:11] <andypugh> (I seem to have spent most of the evening trying to find my ssh keys to be able to push to the git repository)
[23:49:23] <robinsz> have you looked behind the sofa/
[23:49:30] <andypugh> robinsz: VW by any chance?
[23:49:38] <robinsz> hah
[23:49:59] <Wolf_Mill> wouldnt be a vw
[23:50:09] <robinsz> I bet there are a few worried manufacturers out there to be honest
[23:50:11] <Wolf_Mill> they come factory equipped :P
[23:51:01] <t12> lathe leveling, round two
[23:51:13] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/2TlF5xE.jpg does the fact that my mom bought this the same day off set the VW emmisions?
[23:51:13] <robinsz> Wolf_Mill, all manufactueres have done some tweaking for the tests, VW just did a little more than most
[23:51:30] <andypugh> VW blatently cheated. That’s not quite the same
[23:51:39] <robinsz> shrug
[23:51:41] <Tom_itx> andypugh, is that pin new since the demo in 2.7.0 release?
[23:52:04] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, but is it cheating if the game is already rigged?
[23:52:11] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Yes. Well, it was about at the same time but the demo went in to 2.7 and the new pin only into master
[23:52:21] <Tom_itx> ok
[23:52:37] <robinsz> andypugh, well I suspect when they look into real world performance versus test, the playing field will be pretty level
[23:53:28] <Wolf_Mill> ford deisels just had a emmisions software update as well, my friends dads truck went from 20mpg to 11-15mpg and keeps killing sensors now
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[23:53:40] <andypugh> One of the clinching bits of evidence was that someone took a VW and a BMW from the showroom and did a test drive with some portable emissions equipment. The VW was 30x over stated emissions. The BMW was _under_
[23:53:51] <andypugh> (The BMW is the more surprising result to me)
[23:54:42] <robinsz> interesting ...
[23:54:54] <robinsz> I assume this was nox levels?
[23:55:03] <andypugh> Wolf_Mill: That’s not likely to be related, there hasn’t been time for Ford to get a software release out yet.
[23:55:16] <andypugh> robinsz: I don’t know, but assume so
[23:55:29] <Wolf_Mill> not related to VW
[23:55:52] <andypugh> And saying “Ford diesels” is a bit of a broad statement.
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[23:56:00] <robinsz> andypugh, I always assumed the americans concentrated on nox, because of they set tight limits on co2 all their homegrown would struggle
[23:56:29] <andypugh> Some Ford Diesels are getting a software update in the next couple of weeks because I screwed something up..
[23:56:39] <robinsz> oopsie :)
[23:56:59] <Wolf_Mill> 2012 and newer
[23:57:12] <andypugh> robinsz: I think that they are super-strict on NOx because some of them live in a desert.
[23:57:20] <Wolf_Mill> 6.7 w/ dpf and def systems
[23:57:30] <robinsz> andypugh, speaking of which, I bought an (older) diesel xmax recentyl ... very impressed on mileage
[23:57:36] <robinsz> smax
[23:57:39] <andypugh> And any suggestion that emitting CO2 is bad is a Communist Plot
[23:57:54] <robinsz> there is that
[23:58:04] <andypugh> 2 litre S-max?
[23:58:16] <robinsz> got 57mpg on run back from france, fully loaded with kit and kids
[23:58:28] <andypugh> That is pretty good.
[23:58:44] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/PDmtpSd.jpg
[23:58:53] <andypugh> None of my doing, I just made it quiet :-)
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[23:59:01] <robinsz> mmm, I forget, 2007 vintage ..
[23:59:43] <andypugh> Wolf_Mill: Is that the Adblue consumption with the new calibration?
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[23:59:47] <robinsz> whatever, its an awesome vehicle, we loves it
[23:59:58] <Wolf_Mill> haha