#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-27

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[00:00:09] <Contract_Pilot> Adternoon
[00:00:22] <SolarNRG> malcom2073, perhaps working on a 2nd hand 250cc motorbike engine might be suitable?
[00:00:46] <malcom2073> I could probably get by with that, or a lawn mower engine
[00:01:44] <malcom2073> Wolf_: You see my mill picture?
[00:01:50] <Wolf_> yup
[00:02:58] <Wolf_> get that thing going, is it going to be able to rigid tap? :F
[00:03:01] <Wolf_> :D
[00:03:52] <malcom2073> If I can get a VFD powerful enough, you betcha
[00:05:59] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: I envision a powerful golfcart with a PTO
[00:06:23] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: A generic PTO for a snowblower, generator, front end loader, whatever would be awesome
[00:06:30] <MacGalempsy> brushhog
[00:06:31] <SolarNRG> a super golf cart with a load of solar panels would be sweeet
[00:06:48] <SolarNRG> if it were me tho I'd build a buggy out of an electric forklift motor
[00:06:51] <Wolf_> I really want to make something like http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4078&category= but with more holes, but hand tapping all that doesn’t sound like much fun
[00:06:52] <malcom2073> Heh
[00:06:56] <MacGalempsy> solar? you'll never get the power. DIESEL!
[00:07:06] <SolarNRG> here in greece u would, its roasting
[00:07:23] <SolarNRG> besides the roads are crap, there's loads of traffic, why do u ever need to go faster than 5mp?
[00:07:32] <MacGalempsy> roasting and adequate solar are two different thingds
[00:07:53] <MacGalempsy> maybe in Greece, but we are talking USA
[00:08:25] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: whats holding you back from making that?
[00:08:27] <malcom2073> Wolf_: Indeed haha
[00:08:29] <SolarNRG> gas is cheap in usa anyway
[00:08:32] <MacGalempsy> looks pretty straight forward
[00:08:35] <SolarNRG> ur better off with diesel yeah
[00:08:46] <MacGalempsy> you mean like a sub-plate?
[00:09:20] <MacGalempsy> we'll get VW to do our Diesel emission testing
[00:09:30] <MacGalempsy> that way we know it passes
[00:09:51] <SolarNRG> I wish they would do emission testing on Donald Trump's mouth
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[00:10:13] <MacGalempsy> The Donald will be a great president
[00:10:20] <SolarNRG> better than rand paul?
[00:10:46] <MacGalempsy> probably not, but Rand would make an excellent VP since he doesnt have the backing
[00:11:02] <jdh> what does a VP do?
[00:11:25] <MacGalempsy> well, not much, basically his power is to throw the deciding vote in the senate if there is a tie
[00:11:26] <SolarNRG> jdh, becomes president next time a bullet hits the former president in the back of a car
[00:11:32] <MacGalempsy> but he can influence policy
[00:11:53] <SolarNRG> I really hope Hilldog or Bernie Sanders don't become president
[00:11:58] <jdh> when was teh last time there was a tie in the senate
[00:12:11] <SolarNRG> Jeff Boss is a good Democrat candidate he's a truther
[00:12:30] <SolarNRG> And omg can u imagine Jeb Bush getting in?
[00:12:41] <SolarNRG> Bush mk3? oh come on, like the last two bushes weren't enough
[00:13:05] <SolarNRG> If Carly Fiorina gets in she'll do what she did to HP, she'll fire loads of people
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[00:13:22] <SolarNRG> I think Ben Carson is smart, which makes him dangerous
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[00:13:57] <SolarNRG> If Ted Cruz gets it, he'd let all the cubans in
[00:14:00] <MacGalempsy> looks like the last time the VP threw the deciding vote was Walter Mondale, during the Jimmy Carter admin
[00:14:24] <XXCoder> truther?
[00:14:39] <MacGalempsy> truther? as in Obama is not a citizen?
[00:14:44] <jdh> carson is a nutcase
[00:14:50] <SolarNRG> Yeah Jeff Boss said if he became president he'd do a criminal investigation into 9/11 free from politics
[00:15:09] <malcom2073> Free from politics he doesn't agree with
[00:15:09] <malcom2073> *
[00:15:15] <XXCoder> honestly? I think we need to move on
[00:15:15] <MacGalempsy> SolarNRG: they have the criminal investigation, but they wont let it out
[00:15:20] <SolarNRG> Carson's bent on untying the military dogs on the world, mandated vaccines for all, scrapping nuremberg laws, prosecuting whistleblowers
[00:15:22] <MacGalempsy> those fucking saudi bastards
[00:15:45] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: you got a point there
[00:16:13] <SolarNRG> BBC never got prosecuted for having advanced knowledge of wtc7 coming down, it's been used as a successful court defence under section 13 of the terrorism act against tv licensing in Britain, funding terrorist organisations
[00:16:41] <SolarNRG> Anyway, Jeff Boss has less chance of becoming president than Rand Paul does
[00:16:59] <XXCoder> bernie seem to gaining follewers very fast
[00:17:03] <SolarNRG> And they'll never let Paul become president because of his dad's anti-israeli views and his demands to audit the fed
[00:17:10] <XXCoder> usually people whos sick of poticitical bullshit
[00:17:47] <MacGalempsy> not just that, but the last time a president got involved with taking down the fed, he was assassinated (JKF)
[00:17:52] <SolarNRG> Bernie sanders has voted towards a lot of contraversial bills in the house towards wars in iraq, intervention in kosovo, war with afghanistan, voted to pass the patriot act
[00:18:13] <MacGalempsy> the problem with bernie is he wants the budget to be like 17trillion dollars
[00:18:14] <SolarNRG> MacGalempsy, also Andrew Jackson tried the same with the 2nd bank of America
[00:18:32] <MacGalempsy> but the FED was not established until FDR
[00:18:41] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: yeah nobody is perfect, I just want best possible. still uncertain on that aspect
[00:18:51] <XXCoder> clinton is certainly getting so much corp input
[00:18:55] <MacGalempsy> another communist
[00:18:58] <XXCoder> koch brother gets fingers everywhere
[00:19:00] <SolarNRG> clinton's on bilderberg's payroll
[00:19:09] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: socialism !=communist
[00:19:20] <XXCoder> those is two quite different things
[00:19:20] <SolarNRG> I'm anti statist
[00:19:26] <SolarNRG> Why can't we vote for "none of the above"
[00:19:28] <MacGalempsy> that is what the democratic party is today, communist
[00:19:29] <SolarNRG> let's have anarchy
[00:19:39] <SolarNRG> Your 2nd ammendment is your best defence
[00:19:42] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: I want one who dont already bent over and waiting for Koch penis
[00:20:03] <MacGalempsy> communism is just extreme socialism
[00:20:09] <SolarNRG> its extreme statism
[00:20:25] <SolarNRG> its consolidation of power to a small group of individuals answerable to nobody
[00:20:45] <MacGalempsy> XXCoder: http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism
[00:20:49] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: correct yet wrong. you dont define word by certain tiny type by end of type.
[00:21:00] <XXCoder> for example not all muslims are terrorists
[00:21:15] <XXCoder> in fact, MOST muslims are not terrorists.
[00:21:16] <MacGalempsy> they arent?
[00:21:22] <MacGalempsy> who says?
[00:21:23] <XXCoder> 99% are not.
[00:21:26] <SolarNRG> hang on the bankers TRIED to assassinate Jackson, but failed in 1835 my bad
[00:21:49] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: there is extremeists in everything
[00:21:51] <SolarNRG> not all christians are terrorists either
[00:21:57] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: indeed
[00:22:03] <XXCoder> yet there is christian terrorists
[00:22:10] <SolarNRG> tarring everyone with the same brush is a very bad thing to do
[00:22:11] <MacGalempsy> i didnt know christians were dubbed as terrorists
[00:22:25] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: you seem to follow all or none viewpoint.
[00:22:31] <SolarNRG> and there are jewish terrorists, but just because netanyahu is a war criminal doesn't make all jews his accomplices
[00:23:28] <SolarNRG> MacGalempsy, no in the case of Holmes, evidently not they get labelled "mental health patient"
[00:23:53] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: its always the case christian terrorist "is not really a true christian"
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[00:24:14] <jdh> like most of the republican congress?
[00:24:25] <XXCoder> I have seen that that no true scotman logical fallacy thrown to my face so many times.
[00:25:21] <SolarNRG> As much as I disagree with Ben Carson on his stance on mandatory vaccination and his ties with big pharma, I do agree with him on one thing, what makes us human isn't skin deep
[00:25:33] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: nice article!
[00:25:48] <XXCoder> "big phrama" lol
[00:25:52] <jdh> do you disagree with his stance on evolution?
[00:26:05] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: its far far far more profitable to ban vaccines.
[00:26:14] <SolarNRG> how so?
[00:26:31] <XXCoder> it takes many thousands dollars to cure diease. vaccines cost little.
[00:26:38] <XXCoder> certainly not even one thousand.
[00:27:10] <MacGalempsy> holmes did not state he was killing in the name of Jesus, did he?
[00:27:17] <XXCoder> in many casesm, not even $100
[00:27:30] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f2032
[00:27:49] <SpeedEvil> Genital warts in young Australians five years into national human papillomavirus vaccination programme: national surveillance data
[00:28:08] <SolarNRG> Hi Speedevil, how are your paychecks?
[00:28:16] <cradek> XXCoder: huh, I always assumed anti-vaccine people were that way because they are irrationally fearful and ignorant of science, but you may be right - they might be evil.
[00:28:16] <SolarNRG> how's the wife and kids they ok?
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[00:28:35] <SolarNRG> A picture says a thousand words don;t take it too seriously: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eXJKXomEfbM/VWfMnYh2soI/AAAAAAAAGus/-9dbsG6k030/s1600/Infographic-The-Vaccine-Racket-1280.jpg
[00:28:36] <XXCoder> cradek: few probably are, most youre correct on your assumation
[00:28:38] <SpeedEvil> I do not have a wife or children as far as I know.
[00:28:56] <XXCoder> natural news lol
[00:29:00] <SolarNRG> SpeedEvil, shame, the human race needs more intelligent people
[00:29:32] <XXCoder> the whole antivaccine thing started by one really evil guys attempt to shift vaccines to his "safer" vaccines
[00:29:35] <SpeedEvil> 'don't take it too seriously' = shoot in the head anyone that does
[00:29:49] <XXCoder> may him suffer thousand dieases babies die from thanks to him.
[00:30:05] <SpeedEvil> Actual research involving hundreds of thousands of children has found no effect.
[00:30:26] <DaViruz> whats upp with conspiracy theorists and graphs like that
[00:30:37] <XXCoder> SpeedEvil: yeah if you ever ate a peach you ate far more "toxic" chemicals than you ever got from all vaccines total.
[00:30:53] <SolarNRG> Well as a boy I got vaccinated, I got autism, I didn't vaccinate my child she didn't get autism, the amish have never vaccinated they don't get autism say what you want but I'm convinced beyond reasonable doubt from a lifetime of hell and I wouldn't wish what I have got on anybody else
[00:30:53] <XXCoder> its always dose that dermine toxicity, not chemical
[00:31:12] <malcom2073> The amish get autism, they just shun and push those people out
[00:31:17] <malcom2073> so they're not amish anymore, statistic preserved!
[00:31:22] <SolarNRG> seriously?
[00:31:27] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: you has it because you has it. nothing to do with vacccines
[00:31:27] <SolarNRG> how biggoted
[00:31:46] <SolarNRG> XXCoder, so if it's not vaccine generated and it's genetic how come my daughter doesn't have it?
[00:31:57] <SolarNRG> Are you calling me a liar?
[00:31:57] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19302947
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[00:32:05] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: I didn't get full range of vaccine, and I has very high functioning austic
[00:32:10] <malcom2073> Correlation is not causation
[00:32:13] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: no. just mistaken
[00:32:15] <SpeedEvil> SolarNRG: we don't have to call you a liar to belive you're an idiot
[00:32:17] <SpeedEvil> Gene associated with seizures, autism, and hepatomegaly in an Amish girl.
[00:32:28] <DaViruz> well i ate an apple yesterday, and today i broke my ankle. say what you want..
[00:32:42] <DaViruz> a single case is entirely useless for statistics
[00:32:44] <malcom2073> I ate a sammich this morning, I had a good day. My friend didn't and had a bad day, sandwiches make all days good
[00:32:52] <XXCoder> and like malcom2073 said, correlation is not causation
[00:33:21] <SolarNRG> I prefer the term "special needs" over idiot
[00:33:36] <XXCoder> heh I'm an idiot sometimes
[00:33:38] <SpeedEvil> SolarNRG: Idiot is not a reflection on your medical condition.
[00:33:43] <XXCoder> everyone gets hit with idiot stick sometimes.
[00:33:54] <malcom2073> Idiot means you disagree with others
[00:33:59] <SpeedEvil> SolarNRG: It is intentionally ignoring evidence.
[00:34:23] <SpeedEvil> Why does your personal experience with n=3 beat a study with n=300000
[00:34:32] <XXCoder> Honestly I rather belive peer-reviewed research than someone says so stuff.
[00:34:38] <SolarNRG> Actually it is, because I have a diagnosed disability which makes it more difficult to process verbal instructions and the social interaction with others, disregarding peopel who suffer from ASD as idiots is highly offensive and discriminatory against persons with disabilities
[00:34:48] <XXCoder> coupel peer-reviewed research beats billion say sos.
[00:35:15] <SpeedEvil> SolarNRG: I am not disregarding people with ASD as a group, just you.
[00:35:39] <SolarNRG> there are 9 peer reviewed journals indicating the harmful effects of vaccines all have been fiercly attacked not by science but by a media smear campaign
[00:36:03] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: all by discredited scientist, may he die
[00:36:26] <SpeedEvil> SolarNRG: And how many peer reviewd journals the other way?
[00:36:36] <SpeedEvil> ^articles
[00:36:42] <SolarNRG> Wrong, only 1 of those was by andrew wakefield and even then in 2004 a CDC whistleblower admitted they knowingly destroyed evidence showing a strong correlation between vaccines and autism
[00:36:47] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: you said big prama? he WAS one of them. he wanted people to stop vaccines so he makes billions on HIS vaccines
[00:37:11] <XXCoder> but like all things hate based, it went out of his control
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[00:37:43] <SolarNRG> Now tell me about the list of vaccine ingredients, aluminium hydroxide, formaldehyde, thimerasol aka ethyl-mercury, the MSDS is credible and lists all of those substances as TOXIC, not harmful but TOXIC
[00:37:43] <XXCoder> thanks to him, people are dying of dieases that was almost exinact
[00:37:54] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: again, dosage!
[00:37:59] <XXCoder> I already told you about that
[00:38:31] <XXCoder> http://www.mothering.com/photopost/data/475592/c/cb/cb106a20_734524_482647835138564_1710798130_n-1.jpeg
[00:38:49] <XXCoder> I bet you ate in least one pear.
[00:38:57] <XXCoder> I know I did eat a few.
[00:39:03] <SolarNRG> The nuremberg trials clearly set an international standard "performing medical procedures without the informed consent of the individual" was a crime against humanity and those who authorized that decision in Nazi Germany were all sentenced to death by hanging
[00:39:15] <XXCoder> well we ate 100s of vaccines worth of formaldhyde, SolarNRG.
[00:39:30] <SolarNRG> Actually I'm not fond of pears funnily enough
[00:39:33] <os1r1s> SolarNRG: Article about the Amish ... http://jezebel.com/dammit-stop-using-the-amish-as-an-excuse-not-to-vaccin-1677743588
[00:39:42] <jdh> me either, too much formaldhyde
[00:39:44] * SpeedEvil wonders about vacuum furnaces.
[00:39:56] <DaViruz> SolarNRG: what about the informed consent?
[00:40:00] <XXCoder> SolarNRG: sure but ya know, you ate it in something in least.
[00:40:06] <XXCoder> so.
[00:40:09] <XXCoder> yeah dosage man.
[00:40:16] <XXCoder> you can die from oxygen.
[00:40:24] <XXCoder> you can die by water. not by drowning.
[00:40:27] <XXCoder> dosage!
[00:40:43] <SolarNRG> I haven't the energy to continue this discussion, nothing you can say will make me inject those poisons into my child EVER.
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[00:41:01] <malcom2073> Heh
[00:41:02] <XXCoder> too bad. his child is in risk.
[00:41:04] <jdh> evil?
[00:41:05] <malcom2073> Fortunatly, he doesn't live anywhere near me
[00:41:14] <XXCoder> worse? his child is danger to others.
[00:41:36] <XXCoder> he dont seem to understand what dosage means.
[00:41:46] <malcom2073> Most anti vaxxers don't
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[00:41:57] <SpeedEvil> DaViruz: I will ensure everyone I put in my vacuum furnace consents.
[00:42:33] <XXCoder> malcom2073: one of most toxic stuff is that specific snake (forgot name). it contains poison enough to kill 20 strong men with just drop
[00:42:49] <XXCoder> yet if you dulute it enough you can surive it.
[00:42:57] <DaViruz> SpeedEvil: i'm not even sure what he was getting at
[00:42:59] <XXCoder> dosage again wow/
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[00:43:32] <Wolf_> too much DHMO can kill…
[00:43:32] <DaViruz> could he really be meaning that i disagreed with ANY madical procedures on childs not old enough to consent?
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[00:43:40] <XXCoder> Wolf_: its found in all cancers too
[00:43:41] <DaViruz> s/i/he/
[00:43:47] <DaViruz> ..medical
[00:43:49] <DaViruz> too late
[00:43:52] <XXCoder> all rivers, all rain
[00:44:05] <XXCoder> all water has DHMO. cant be seperated.
[00:44:35] * Wolf_ will totally blame vaxxes for his brain function…
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[00:45:02] <Topy44> anyone around with a misumi account?
[00:45:15] <Topy44> need to know the price of an item...
[00:45:22] <malcom2073> You can find a price without an account
[00:45:29] <malcom2073> Click "get price", it'll give you a prices without login
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[00:45:43] * XXCoder wonders if solarNRG tries to live chemical free. Which is perfectly impossble.
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[00:48:30] <Topy44> malcom2073: huh... can't find a "get price" link anywhere
[00:48:39] <malcom2073> Topy44: Link to the page you're looking at?
[00:49:13] <Topy44> oh, nvm, just found it
[00:52:26] <MacGalempsy> well, I was hoping to avoid replacing this endstop, but no choice....
[00:52:54] <Topy44> oh, nvm, just found it
[00:55:20] <SpeedEvil> http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/broken-booms-why-is-it-so-hard-to-develop-procure-a-1698725648 - CNC vs manual
[00:59:36] <MacGalempsy> anyone know the techincal term for a double dial indicator stand to make sure the spindle nose is aligned right?
[01:04:15] <CaptHindsight> like dis http://www.ajaxtoolsupply.com/spipanu91dri.html ?
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[01:06:49] <Wolf_> tramming fixture ?
[01:07:00] <CaptHindsight> http://spindlesquare.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/spindlesquare3.jpg
[01:07:33] <renesis> haha
[01:07:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.globalspec.com/FeaturedProducts/Detail/Starrett/649_Spindle_Square/143592/0
[01:07:57] <MacGalempsy> thats the one
[01:08:12] <renesis> beats figuring out which test indicator adapter to use
[01:08:21] <CaptHindsight> or do you mean a double barrel dial indicator? :)
[01:08:24] <jdh> http://www.edgetechnologyproducts.com/pro-tram-system/
[01:09:01] <renesis> you know they aint fuckin around when they use red anodized aluminum
[01:09:09] <renesis> er, or maybe thats just rack mounted audio
[01:09:21] <jdh> looks good. that's at least hafl
[01:09:54] <renesis> theyre only .001?
[01:10:17] <Wolf_> I just use a bent rod and a DTI...
[01:10:18] <jdh> they have a half one
[01:10:25] <MacGalempsy> renesis: that is what I was just going to say
[01:10:35] <CaptHindsight> starrett doesn't even anodize theirs
[01:10:51] <renesis> starret knows theyre not in the rack mounted audio trash business
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[01:11:12] <MacGalempsy> even the startett is .001
[01:11:24] <jdh> why do you need more than a thou?
[01:11:47] <MacGalempsy> well, if the machine accuracy is 0.0001 then you would be off
[01:11:48] <jdh> a half or even a 10th wouldn't be any more accurate
[01:11:49] <Wolf_> why do you need 2 dials?
[01:12:06] <renesis> i usually use cheap test dials, on an arm with wider radius, and theyre theyre like .00025 i think
[01:12:10] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_: to assure the spindle is square
[01:12:12] <CaptHindsight> yeah, it's impossible to mill any flatter than that with a spindle mill
[01:12:24] <renesis> wolf_: when you use an indicator to tram, you swing around to the other side and make sure theyre equal
[01:12:28] <Wolf_> one dial on a arm can do that…
[01:12:31] <jdh> doesn't matter. you zero them to a mark.
[01:12:39] <renesis> wolf_: right, this is faster
[01:12:42] <MacGalempsy> I have a last word, I guess that would work
[01:12:48] <renesis> wolf_: and why my first reaction was 'haha'
[01:12:50] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: but then you can't see both points at the same time
[01:13:15] <CaptHindsight> you have to remember the reading or write it down
[01:13:18] <Wolf_> I use my 196 on a arm
[01:13:32] <Wolf_> 0 the bezel on one side, swing
[01:13:45] <renesis> capthindsight: ive never used an indicator that didnt have a rotating face to zero it
[01:14:02] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a lot of work :)
[01:14:07] <renesis> !?
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[01:14:34] <renesis> swing to one side, rotate bezel, swing to other side, check reading is a lot of work?
[01:14:36] <CaptHindsight> rotating, looking at the 0, rotating etc etc
[01:14:39] <Wolf_> plus with the arm setup you can check tilt and nod both
[01:14:50] <MacGalempsy> renesis: you never used a digital indicator?
[01:15:00] <jdh> sounds like another vaccine argument, give it up.
[01:15:02] <renesis> you cant zero those?
[01:15:08] <renesis> or youre just being crazy literal
[01:15:14] <renesis> about rotating things
[01:15:50] <renesis> and linear indicator, yes, test indicator, no, and yeah i dont rotate those so sorry, i lied
[01:15:59] * Wolf_ will skip the big ass bar with two $20 Di in it
[01:16:09] <renesis> ikr
[01:16:17] <renesis> oh shit its only $99\
[01:16:36] <CaptHindsight> rotating, spinning. All are causes for dizziness
[01:17:01] <renesis> have you ever seen vid of people doing gas planes on cables for speed?
[01:17:33] <renesis> control line model planes
[01:17:38] <renesis> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vAw1CC4A3g
[01:17:45] <renesis> max dizzy ^
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[01:21:27] <CaptHindsight> I always thought those spindle squares were for measuring at 2 points at once to save time
[01:23:03] <MacGalempsy> I think that is the idea
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[01:23:29] <MacGalempsy> but one of the images showed them matching an angle when tilting the head on a bridgeport
[01:29:53] <XXCoder> renesis: wow
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[01:30:29] <renesis> xxcoder: i didnt even know wtf was going on first time i saw the vid, was all very confusing
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[01:33:06] <furrywolf> just took a look at a vehicle someone asked me to fix... first observation: air cleaner rusted out, contains rat net. remove rat nest... second observation: carb barrels are filled with water level with the top of the carb.
[01:33:21] <furrywolf> told him it's not getting fixed today.
[01:33:22] <XXCoder> whoa
[01:33:26] <XXCoder> thats crazy furrywolf
[01:34:43] <furrywolf> question is whether the intake is filled with water, or the butterflies sealed well enough (care of all the dirt they're packed with) to keep the water on top of them.
[01:35:08] <furrywolf> "ran when parked"... in 2000.
[01:35:27] <XXCoder> whats 15 years between friends.
[01:35:42] <Wolf_> remove sparkplugs to drain
[01:35:55] <XXCoder> if it is removable at all
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[01:36:18] <furrywolf> Wolf_: yep. and crank over carefully.
[01:36:25] <furrywolf> with a biiiig breaker bar.
[01:37:16] <Wolf_> I need a pic of the connecting rod out of my explorer… from when I found out that the intake was below the headlight behind the bumper...
[01:37:56] <furrywolf> heh
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[01:39:06] <furrywolf> get a snorkel for your next vehicle. :)
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[01:42:37] <furrywolf> I was offroading with someone in their pathfinder when his snorkel sure earned its keep... we were heading back and took a slightly different path through some puddles... and found out this part was a good bit deeper, given as we drove through it with water washing around the bottom of the windshield.
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[01:43:30] <XXCoder> lol
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[01:48:23] <XXCoder> my van just dont like weather here
[01:48:25] <XXCoder> rough idle
[01:48:34] <XXCoder> definite speed boost after idling too
[01:48:41] <XXCoder> sometimes misfires now
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[01:48:42] <XXCoder> fun
[01:49:54] <LatheBuilder2> carbureted?
[01:50:17] <XXCoder> fuel injected 1996 nissan quest
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[01:50:35] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> time to sell it and buy a subaru.
[01:51:01] <XXCoder> thats to who
[01:51:15] <furrywolf> <XXCoder> my van just dont like weather here
[01:51:28] <XXCoder> was that last you saw I say something>?
[01:51:55] <furrywolf> yes
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[01:52:36] <LatheBuilder2> i saw the rest of your comments XXCoder.
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[01:52:53] <XXCoder> LatheBuilder2: I know. I was asking fur :)
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[01:53:20] <XXCoder> fur, idle is getting worse with sometimes misfires. it actually had knock code for first time, and now 3 times total since
[01:53:31] <XXCoder> and now definite speed boost after idling for a bit
[01:53:40] <XXCoder> not as bad as it used to be before few fixes.
[01:55:11] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> <furrywolf> time to sell it and buy a subaru.
[01:55:12] <furrywolf> :P
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[01:57:29] <XXCoder> lol
[01:58:09] <furrywolf> zeeshan: get a real internet connection! I bet you can't even watch youtube on that thing.
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[02:00:59] <rootB_i> hey linuxCNC
[02:01:07] <rootB_i> if i give you the dimension of a part
[02:01:11] <rootB_i> can you make it hard coated and all of that?
[02:01:24] <XXCoder> hard-coated dimension
[02:01:37] <XXCoder> dunno its hard to hardcoat an abstract idea ;)
[02:02:29] <furrywolf> ... huh?
[02:02:35] <rootB_i> http://openbuildspartstore.com/openrail-linear-rail/
[02:02:35] <rootB_i> http://openbuildspartstore.com/openrail-linear-rail/
[02:02:42] <rootB_i> The Type III Hard Coat version of OpenRail has been discontinued.
[02:02:44] <rootB_i> that's the one i need
[02:02:45] <enleth> IT'S ALIVE: https://hackerspace.pl/~enleth/20150927_034400.mp4
[02:03:03] <enleth> the frankenstein reference is relevant in more than one way.
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[02:03:43] <XXCoder> enleth: get a tripod
[02:03:51] <Wolf_> I think you need a bigger vice :P
[02:04:35] <enleth> eh, it's fine for small work
[02:04:38] <rootB_i> so could anyone makem ethat part?
[02:04:42] <rootB_i> i'll obviously pay
[02:05:04] <furrywolf> grrrr, why the fuck is that https? mplayer doesn't do https, so I'd need to actually download it first.
[02:05:14] <furrywolf> does it contain security-sensitive information?
[02:05:38] <furrywolf> and it doesn't work if you remove the s, it redirects you back to the https url!
[02:05:38] <enleth> furrywolf: delete s from URL
[02:05:40] <XXCoder> whew had to take size WAAY down to postage stamp in order to be able to watch it
[02:05:48] <jdh> out of curiostiy, why do you need only the hard-coated one?
[02:05:55] <Wolf_> rootB_i: why do you need hard coated?
[02:05:55] <enleth> it doesn't? huh.
[02:06:06] <rootB_i> Wolf_, to add metal v-wheels to my desktop CNC
[02:06:09] <furrywolf> Unsupported http 301 redirect to https protocol
[02:06:10] <furrywolf> :P
[02:06:12] <rootB_i> instead of delrin ones that wear out
[02:06:34] <furrywolf> 103MB?! fuck that.
[02:07:01] <jdh> why not the standard black anodized one?
[02:07:30] <rootB_i> it will wear out with the metal v-wheels
[02:08:01] <enleth> furrywolf: sorry, uploaded straigh from the phone during the taxi ride back home, a few minutes after recording the cut
[02:08:22] <enleth> it's 4 in the morning here
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[02:09:05] <enleth> I'll upload it to YT or something when I get some sleep
[02:09:08] <XXCoder> furrywolf: I wonder if you can get unlimited data pohone and teather it for faster internet access
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[02:09:24] <XXCoder> or in least for more demending stuff. there is pretty cheap ones.
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[02:10:22] <furrywolf> there is no such thing as unlimited data.
[02:10:51] <furrywolf> there's only unlimited* data.
[02:10:57] <XXCoder> http://www.whistleout.com/CellPhones/Carriers/GIV-mobile/Personal/GIV-Mobile-the25?phoneprice=Contract&contract=0
[02:11:36] <XXCoder> limited to 2g but your isp seems worse than that.
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[02:12:32] <furrywolf> ... 2G? lol
[02:12:42] <XXCoder> https://www.givmobile.com/plans/?gclid=COau1fCHrcICFcZbfgodiV4AMg
[02:12:47] <XXCoder> theres 4g for not much more
[02:12:50] <enleth> anyway, the bport made the first cut after it got delivered to me, which was on 26th of June
[02:12:59] <furrywolf> also, I don't do contracts. any attempt to get someone to sign a contract for a cellphone is a crooked business practice.
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[02:13:03] <XXCoder> its actually cheaper than my no limit deaf plan!
[02:13:18] <furrywolf> changing phones won't magically make towers appear for them to talk to.
[02:13:32] <XXCoder> thankfully PLENTY towers here
[02:13:53] <enleth> XXCoder: I do have a tripod, I just couldn't be arsed to set it up
[02:14:12] <XXCoder> enleth: yeah can tell. you was... very animated lol
[02:14:32] <XXCoder> I had to strunk video to tiny one AND lean back to make it watchable
[02:15:00] <enleth> besides, it would be hard to get everything in the frame and get the details without several takes and some splicing
[02:15:00] <zeeshan-mill> hm
[02:15:03] <enleth> I can do that later
[02:15:05] <zeeshan-mill> wtf is my upstairs comp disconnecting for
[02:15:19] <furrywolf> zeeshan: get a real internet connection! I bet you can't even watch youtube on that thing.
[02:15:20] <zeeshan-mill> i think i need to reset my router
[02:15:21] <XXCoder> its tired of you zeeshan-mill ;)
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[02:15:31] <enleth> as I said, that was recorded 2 minutes before going back home and uploaded it in the taxi
[02:15:33] <zeeshan-mill> man i got this one wood piece
[02:15:35] <jdh> and your trailing prepositions
[02:15:36] <zeeshan-mill> its dusty as hell
[02:15:39] <zeeshan-mill> the others werent like this
[02:15:40] <zeeshan-mill> odd.
[02:15:48] <XXCoder> bad composition?
[02:15:54] <enleth> jdh: what's wrong with those?
[02:15:55] <furrywolf> inadequately penetrated by the resin.
[02:16:04] <zeeshan-mill> nahh
[02:16:12] <zeeshan-mill> i think they didnt use arylic for t
[02:16:15] <zeeshan-mill> for it
[02:16:17] <zeeshan-mill> theres no plastic in it
[02:16:33] <furrywolf> that would be very inadaquate, wouldn't it? :P
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[02:17:50] <XXCoder> its probabloy counted as scrap
[02:18:45] <furrywolf> meh. I'm completely exhausted and it's only a little after 7.
[02:20:55] <zeeshan-mill> the only thing im looking forward to
[02:20:58] <zeeshan-mill> is the double pay cheque
[02:21:04] <zeeshan-mill> so sick of this wood crap
[02:21:28] <zeeshan-mill> i need to stop doing production jobs
[02:22:14] <XXCoder> what do you want to work on>
[02:22:37] <furrywolf> yes, what a good idea, don't do the jobs that bring in lots of money. :P
[02:22:39] <zeeshan-mill> my own stuff
[02:22:49] <zeeshan-mill> production jobs do not bring in a lot of money
[02:22:55] <zeeshan-mill> well they do
[02:23:01] <zeeshan-mill> but its too stressful
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[02:23:09] <zeeshan-mill> i rather take a cut and do prototypes
[02:23:34] <enleth> I think I could see some wobble on the end mill -I wonder, is it more likely that the ISO30 taper in my spindle is so fucked, or the chinese ER16 chuck/collet is such a piece of crap.
[02:23:44] <zeeshan-mill> i like designing
[02:23:50] <zeeshan-mill> machining is ok for one offs
[02:23:52] <zeeshan-mill> hate it for production.
[02:23:57] * furrywolf likes money
[02:24:47] <furrywolf> I'd love a job like your lumps, if I had the machine and software to do it.
[02:25:05] <furrywolf> I'd make more per lump than two days of my day job...
[02:25:13] <enleth> zeeshan-mill: does it make difference if you're machining production stuff that you designed for the customer, as opposed to machining stuff designed by the customer?
[02:25:58] <zeeshan-mill> ofcourse
[02:26:05] <zeeshan-mill> i get paid engineering rates
[02:26:08] <zeeshan-mill> when designing
[02:26:20] <zeeshan-mill> machining rates are less
[02:26:32] <zeeshan-mill> (mine are at least)
[02:26:45] <furrywolf> I'd quit my job instantly if I could make lumps all day at that pay!
[02:27:29] <MacGalempsy> hey zeeshan-mill
[02:27:48] <MacGalempsy> have you got any updates on the mill series?
[02:27:53] <XXCoder> I need an engineer but I dont have enough money lol
[02:29:01] <furrywolf> $150/each is such stupidly good pay that I'd quite my job for that even if I only made one a day!
[02:29:21] <XXCoder> wow that is good indeed
[02:29:27] <MacGalempsy> I think my best day working holiday and mad overtime is like 5k
[02:29:44] <XXCoder> zeeshan-mill: let me know if you need someone making em lol
[02:30:03] <XXCoder> minium one a day lol like fur says
[02:30:23] <zeeshan-mill> MacGalempsy, mill series?
[02:30:28] <XXCoder> doubt demend will keep up forever lol
[02:30:39] <zeeshan-mill> oh
[02:30:43] <furrywolf> 5k is more than a quarter of my anual income.
[02:30:46] <zeeshan-mill> i will in a day or two Mac
[02:30:53] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf, thats your fault
[02:30:54] <zeeshan-mill> :P
[02:30:58] <zeeshan-mill> dont complain!
[02:32:00] <MacGalempsy> furrywolf: then you would shit bricks on a $40k month huh?
[02:32:08] <furrywolf> if I could do that lump job, I'd take it instantly and not bitch about it. lol
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[02:32:28] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan-mill: I really liked the first one you did because we were talking about fixture offsets in class that day
[02:32:33] <XXCoder> I would be happy to do so too lol
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[02:32:49] <XXCoder> I do like wood more than hard metal.
[02:32:52] <XXCoder> alum is great too.
[02:32:55] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf, you gotta understand
[02:32:58] <zeeshan-mill> im working a full time job
[02:33:00] <zeeshan-mill> and doing this
[02:33:06] <MacGalempsy> so the real question is...how to make $50k in one day
[02:33:07] <zeeshan-mill> the guy im dealing with is really picky
[02:33:08] <zeeshan-mill> its annoying.
[02:33:15] <zeeshan-mill> but lately hes been better
[02:33:17] <zeeshan-mill> and understanding
[02:33:17] <MacGalempsy> all I could think of was selling stuff
[02:33:38] <enleth> One weird thing I have in mind that also gets $150 a piece is a pattern stamping roller for leatherworking. It's a steel cylinder with some celtic/viking/germanic/whatever carvings milled. Wet leather is rolled between that and a smooth cylinder to emboss it with the pattern. Saves hours of manual work when making styled belts or something.
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[02:34:02] * MacGalempsy sells furrywolf's body, but only gets $1
[02:34:13] <MacGalempsy> not going to get rich that way
[02:35:13] <zeeshan-mill> i think im mostly whining and complaining
[02:35:17] <zeeshan-mill> because i dont have an atc for my mill
[02:35:23] <zeeshan-mill> after the lathe retrofit
[02:35:28] <zeeshan-mill> i will definitely make something
[02:35:57] <furrywolf> I'd sit there and change tools all day for that pay.
[02:36:18] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan-mill: I noticed that in the vid, you should go ahead and make one
[02:36:39] <MacGalempsy> the beauty of the ATC is no paying anyone!
[02:38:30] <furrywolf> zee is complaining about pay that's so good it'd cover just about any unpleasant task.
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[02:44:38] * zeeshan-mill stops complaining
[02:44:42] <zeeshan-mill> im just sick of working on it
[02:44:45] <zeeshan-mill> that is all
[02:44:51] <zeeshan-mill> its been a lot of headaches w/ this project
[02:45:00] <XXCoder> zeeshan-mill: heh I was working on trimming bar of steel for over a week
[02:45:05] <XXCoder> finally completed 2 days ago
[02:45:11] <XXCoder> 1,300 parts
[02:45:27] <XXCoder> your puny job cant touch that.
[02:45:29] <zeeshan-mill> damn
[02:45:39] <zeeshan-mill> dunno how you do it.
[02:45:57] <XXCoder> 2 days to complete splitting 300 rings
[02:46:05] <zeeshan-mill> i just know im happier doing one or two offs
[02:46:05] <XXCoder> made 600 half rings
[02:46:11] <zeeshan-mill> ill avoid production.
[02:46:41] <zeeshan-mill> its a personal perference
[02:46:59] <XXCoder> I can do boring, if I can read a ebook meanwhile
[02:47:11] <XXCoder> bar was bit rough because it barely gives me time to do so.
[02:47:17] <zeeshan-mill> what was the cycle time
[02:47:35] <XXCoder> 8 minutes but it stops in middle for me to deburr bars, then turn it around for other side
[02:47:46] <XXCoder> as well as carefully check all sizes at end
[02:47:53] <XXCoder> so yeah busy 80% of time
[02:48:44] <XXCoder> worse job I ever had was part that needs initial milling for lathes. cycle time 3 minutes, setup each part 5 minutes
[02:49:11] <XXCoder> fastest was 3 seconds runtime, 3 minutes setup per part lol
[02:49:19] <XXCoder> that one was nuts.
[02:50:55] * XXCoder is glad that 3 sec runtime was just 15 parts or would go nuts going full 10 hours on it!
[02:53:05] <XXCoder> be back
[02:54:12] <zeeshan-mill> 8 min isnt enough to read a book!
[02:55:09] <MacGalempsy> depends on the book
[02:55:28] <zeeshan-mill> hehe
[02:56:29] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan-mill: so do you think that new lathe will need to be retrofitted to lcnc?
[02:56:58] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[02:57:01] <zeeshan-mill> its oldd\
[02:57:17] <MacGalempsy> it has an ATC right?
[02:57:23] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[02:57:27] <zeeshan-mill> hell yes!!!
[02:57:29] <zeeshan-mill> :DDD
[02:57:33] <MacGalempsy> SWEET
[02:59:26] <MacGalempsy> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/21754291171/in/dateposted-public/
[03:00:04] <MacGalempsy> this is the tool holder setup for my atc, having to modify some mill holders to get it to work
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[03:02:12] <Wolf_> working on a rough idea for a airpowered drawbar for the x2 spindle with pretty much no moving parts other then the cylinder...
[03:03:46] <zeeshan-mill> cant se ethe link from this comp
[03:06:41] <MacGalempsy> oh, it is the lifting device and the tool holder
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[03:12:35] <MacGalempsy> wb
[03:13:29] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks
[03:14:22] <MacGalempsy> hey PetefromTn_
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[03:14:51] <PetefromTn_> Hey mac
[03:15:01] <PetefromTn_> howzitgoin
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[03:19:15] <PetefromTn_> I made a trip to home depot today
[03:19:32] <PetefromTn_> finally getting around to building some aerators for the anodizing line.
[03:19:49] <PetefromTn_> got some 1/2 inch PVC pipe and a buttload of fittings and a regulator
[03:20:17] <PetefromTn_> gonna try to put together something tomorrow morning
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[03:26:37] <zeeshan-mill> nice pete
[03:26:42] <zeeshan-mill> hope it gives you better results
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[03:55:04] <renesis> 02:15 < zeeshan-mill> its dusty as hell
[03:55:31] <renesis> i thought wood machines just the same without the composite matrix?!
[03:55:46] <renesis> well, no i didnt think that actually
[03:59:32] <renesis> 02:46 < XXCoder> I can do boring, if I can read a ebook meanwhile
[03:59:34] <zeeshan-mill> regular wood machines almost the same
[03:59:41] <zeeshan-mill> this shit is like mdf or something retarded
[03:59:48] <zeeshan-mill> that one piece that is
[03:59:56] <renesis> xxcoder: ha, yeah thats how i feel about emergency QC on the production stuff i do at work
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[04:00:30] <renesis> its fairly low stress, it kills time, and you learn a lot about inspection and test process, which feeds back into the QC procedure designs
[04:00:51] <renesis> its neat, being lazy is a great skill for QC and assembly procedure design
[04:01:05] <renesis> laziness = $$$
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[04:14:13] <zeeshan-mill> Tom_itx, curves
[04:14:14] <zeeshan-mill> duhh
[04:14:28] <zeeshan-mill> its a tool room mill
[04:14:35] <zeeshan-mill> not meant really for production
[04:16:55] <Wolf_> hmm, wonder if that would work...
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[04:18:46] <zeeshan-mill> what would work
[04:19:31] <Wolf_> on the x2 head, just use the spring washers and a 3” bore 1/8” travel air cylinder
[04:19:42] <Wolf_> for the draw bar
[04:19:51] <zeeshan-mill> what type of taper?
[04:19:59] <Wolf_> r8
[04:20:22] <zeeshan-mill> you prolly wanna put around 500lb of pull on it
[04:20:36] <Wolf_> pretty much the hoss setup without the giant box
[04:22:46] <Wolf_> 3” bore cylinder will be 840lbs of force
[04:24:26] <zeeshan-mill> how are you getting 840
[04:24:33] <zeeshan-mill> are you using 120psi shop air?
[04:24:38] <Wolf_> 120psi
[04:24:42] <zeeshan-mill> ah okay
[04:24:43] <Wolf_> yeah
[04:25:06] <zeeshan-mill> should be plenty i think
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[04:26:25] <Wolf_> http://www.hossmachine.info/projects_7.html#power%20drawbar but no levers or box, just the spring washers and a big ass pancake cylinder
[04:29:27] <Wolf_> lol, out of order build now, cylinder ordered off ebay and I haven’t even started the BOM for the x2 head
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[04:58:34] <MacGalempsy> well, im out too. good night
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[06:00:32] <XXCoder> renesis: yeah
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[06:54:58] <Deejay> moin
[06:56:02] <XXCoder> hey
[07:09:37] <trentster> Hey all - anyone know why UI still says "home all" even tho I have homing stuff commented out for Z axis in ini file
[07:10:22] <trentster> I have prox sensors on X and Y with sequence Y=0 then X=1 but UI still is waiting for Z to autohome?
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[07:12:08] <archivist> have you left Z (its number) in the sequence line
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[08:12:14] <Contract_Pilot> Lathe evening.
[08:21:47] <archivist> pneumatic morning
[08:22:01] <XXCoder> playinh neverputt game
[08:22:05] <XXCoder> its fun lol been a while
[08:22:42] <archivist> I need to pipe up air to the CMM to play with it
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[08:31:26] <XXCoder> dammit I keep sending ball off into void lol
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[08:53:25] <XXCoder> nice neverputt has backup for ball constantly moving so unable to putt again. ball just hovers up a little and stops
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[09:14:51] <ganzuul> http://i.imgur.com/FyDoSHd.jpg
[09:17:43] <Praesmeodymium> are they balanced as well as looking cool?
[09:20:59] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: good question
[09:21:05] <XXCoder> I see cuts wasnt counterbalanced
[09:21:11] <XXCoder> slight bias
[09:21:31] <XXCoder> chamfers do affect the odds
[09:21:42] <XXCoder> thats why castino dice is all very shark edged
[09:21:45] <XXCoder> sharp
[09:22:02] <XXCoder> so my answer is yes, but probably dont matter.
[09:23:00] <XXCoder> if I designed that dice I would make it have far less deep grooves. less bias towards ligher side up
[09:26:23] <Praesmeodymium> well those arent casino dice... and gamers tend to like biased dice tbh
[09:26:23] <ganzuul> hmm
[09:26:52] <XXCoder> indeed like I said it probably dont matter
[09:27:01] <XXCoder> players tend to not care about .001% bias
[09:27:02] <ganzuul> If you improve them, you can call them your own. So it's not blatant copycatting.
[09:27:27] <XXCoder> casinos do. they even counterbalance the damples
[09:27:42] <XXCoder> so its perfect 1/6 chance per side. well very close anyway.
[09:28:13] <Praesmeodymium> yeah they make a huge deal about how not cheaty they are dont they lol
[09:28:28] <XXCoder> they have to, in order to loosen wallets
[09:28:36] <XXCoder> if theres shady stuff they lose business.
[09:29:14] <XXCoder> gambling workers make LOT of money but highly stressful.
[09:30:11] <ganzuul> I once won 35 times in a row on blackjack. Betted 1 euro per round...
[09:30:31] <ganzuul> I don't gamble a lot...
[09:31:24] <XXCoder> i don gamble much, even with money I can afford to lose.
[09:32:54] <XXCoder> ganzuul: you made em?
[09:32:59] <XXCoder> looks pretty darn ool
[09:33:01] <XXCoder> cool
[09:33:01] <ganzuul> XXCoder: no
[09:33:30] <XXCoder> people with em can make it
[09:33:39] <ganzuul> Thinking about making roleplaying dice.
[09:33:40] <XXCoder> *mill machine or cnc whatever
[09:33:52] <XXCoder> theres special turn picking dice
[09:34:00] <XXCoder> it cannot be a tir
[09:34:02] <XXCoder> *tie
[09:34:09] <ganzuul> hm
[09:34:23] <XXCoder> lemme find it
[09:35:01] <XXCoder> btw http://www.dicecollector.com/DICEINFO_WHAT_SHAPES_DO_DICE_HAVE.html lol
[09:36:03] <XXCoder> found it.
[09:36:03] <XXCoder> http://mathsgear.co.uk/products/go-first-dice
[09:36:23] <XXCoder> its pretty amazing. 4 dices for 4 players, it won't tie to each other
[09:46:17] <XXCoder> I was wondering why only 4. its apparently very diffult. (link is in last link I posted)
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[09:53:14] <XXCoder> ganzuul: nerd eh lol
[09:53:30] <ganzuul> aaah, yup ;)
[09:53:44] <XXCoder> math problem is definitely interesting.
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[10:02:02] <Wolf_Mill> squaring up stock is sooo much fun...
[10:04:56] <XXCoder> awesome to turn messy block into nice and cubic shape
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[10:05:45] <Wolf_Mill> would be easier if my machine cut things square lol
[10:06:31] <XXCoder> yeah but then theres trick a little
[10:06:49] <XXCoder> make sure to flip it only one way for example, so it slants same way therefore square
[10:06:55] <XXCoder> *parallel
[10:07:03] <XXCoder> its bit more tricky for other 2 sides
[10:07:28] <XXCoder> ganzuul: more cool dice lol for example element dice. http://www.ericharshbarger.org/dice/#compass
[10:07:41] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, I work everything off the fixxed jaw
[10:07:52] <XXCoder> scroll up a little to get card suits dice. wonder why
[10:09:20] <Wolf_Mill> annoying part is flycutting these blocks on this tiny machine
[10:09:35] <Wolf_Mill> I'm waiting to break the gear train in the head
[10:12:02] <Wolf_Mill> only 6061-t6 1.5" x 3" x 54mm...
[10:12:32] <XXCoder> lol cheater dice. two 6s and no 1
[10:15:55] <XXCoder> woodgears now has gear creator website. nice
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[11:03:45] <ganzuul> Irrational numbers dice. Nice. :)
[11:04:10] <XXCoder> you can make your own custom
[11:04:21] <XXCoder> though I'm not certain what I would want lol
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[11:05:40] <ganzuul> I want dice with some sort of optical effect.
[11:05:41] <XXCoder> Symmetric Pips not bad
[11:05:49] <ganzuul> Like a prism, or lenses.
[11:05:59] <archivist> or holographic
[11:06:04] <ganzuul> hmm
[11:06:14] <ganzuul> That'd be easier, actually.
[11:07:26] <archivist> I could imaging holographic tape with numbers on being available
[11:12:10] <ganzuul> Too easy. >:|
[11:12:51] <XXCoder> I remember one dice that has another dice inside it
[11:13:01] <XXCoder> its basically rolling two dice for like one die
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[12:41:13] <ganzuul> \o/
[12:41:27] <ganzuul> http://imgur.com/pnH5YxG
[12:42:22] <ganzuul> I ordered a cross slide which will let me add another inch of travel.
[12:42:37] <XXCoder> thats what she needed.
[12:42:45] <ganzuul> That brass is 80mm in dia.
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[12:44:53] <ganzuul> Also, getting a backplate for 125mm chuck.
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[12:45:51] <Wolf_Mill> need a non-pos tool holder
[12:45:55] <ganzuul> I found a seller in Germany who produces a compatible 125mm indepentent 4 jaw chuck for a reasonable price, but they don't have freight listed...
[12:46:02] <ganzuul> Wolf_Mill: Absolutely.
[12:46:15] <ganzuul> Wolf_Mill: I plan on spending about 200 euro on that.
[12:46:52] <ganzuul> Getting an AXA one and a different compound slide, so it'll fit and I can get bigger tools low enough.
[12:46:56] <Wolf_Mill> i've been meaning to check to see if that shars toolholder uses the same size as the ones I already have
[12:48:49] <ganzuul> BTW, no chatter if I just keep bravely feeding the tool into the work, even if the cross slide is loose.
[12:49:35] <fenn> how about making your own wedge toolpost and holders?
[12:49:43] <fenn> too much too fast?
[12:49:53] <Wolf_Mill> :P
[12:49:56] <ganzuul> fenn: Pretty much.
[12:50:52] <ganzuul> I saw plans for this plate on littlemachineshop.com which should make the milling attachement usable.
[12:51:06] <Wolf_Mill> I'm so waiting for one of the x1 spindle drive gears to blow up right now...
[12:51:56] <Wolf_Mill> sad part is i'm only fly cutting w/ a 0.05mm doc...
[12:52:42] <ganzuul> Maybe a shorter overhang would reduce the shock?
[12:52:44] <fenn> you can 3d print another one hahahahaha
[12:53:07] <fenn> oh wait that was the lathe
[12:53:13] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, the gears on thingerverse? I already printed lathe gears lol
[12:54:14] <Wolf_Mill> I still need to find a vfd/motor combo for the x2 head
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[12:56:50] <Wolf_Mill> I did get a air cylinder off ebay last night for the X2 drawbar
[13:01:05] <Wolf_Mill> 3"bore w/ 3/4" stroke, I should be able to bolt it direct to the X2 head :D
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[14:58:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150925-carima-unveils-super-high-speed-c-cat-continuous-additive-3d-printing-tech.html (using lower viscosity photopolymers)
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[15:00:01] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxFjRzS5OlQ
[15:03:19] <CaptHindsight> the Z continuously moves up and the projector just changes images synced to the Z position
[15:03:28] <fenn> at least show the part after all that.. anticlimax
[15:04:29] <CaptHindsight> it's a Eiffel Tower
[15:05:10] <CaptHindsight> poor choice but it's become a standard in SLA
[15:05:41] <fenn> yeah but i'd like to see the print quality
[15:05:55] <CaptHindsight> it's fine
[15:06:41] <CaptHindsight> there's no layering unless you can't figure out how to create the images and sync them
[15:07:29] <chris_99> what kind of Z-axis are they using, are they driving with steppers or..?
[15:07:50] <CaptHindsight> andy has a patch do do it with Linuxcnc
[15:08:27] <CaptHindsight> the Z can be made with whatever motors that work
[15:09:18] <fenn> really, viscosity was the limiting factor?
[15:09:54] <CaptHindsight> viscosity, cure rate and slope
[15:10:20] <fenn> slope?
[15:10:33] <CaptHindsight> the viscosity has to be low enough so that the photopolymer can flow under the part as its drawn up away from the surface of the vat
[15:12:34] <CaptHindsight> slope is the curing depth
[15:13:39] <CaptHindsight> too much and you don't get low enough Z resolution
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[15:14:04] <fenn> too little and the resin can't get sucked in
[15:14:17] <fenn> or it sticks to the surface
[15:14:35] <CaptHindsight> they also don't tell you that parts with larger surface areas will print slower since the resin needs to flow under the part
[15:15:01] <CaptHindsight> thats why the tower was chosen for the demo
[15:15:25] <CaptHindsight> thin structure with lots of open space
[15:15:41] <fenn> maybe you could dynamically generate resin channels that never repeat exactly
[15:16:00] <CaptHindsight> a 4" dia cylinder will take longer with the same resin
[15:17:46] <CaptHindsight> some group claiming that it can only be done with their magic vat material raised ~$140M so far
[15:18:25] <fenn> the power of oxygen
[15:18:33] <fenn> drink hydrogen peroxide!
[15:18:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150820-hot-3d-printing-startup-carbon3d-raises-from-google-ventures-and-yuri-milner.html
[15:19:27] <CaptHindsight> oh and it only works with resins where oxygen acts a polymerization inhibitor
[15:19:44] <fenn> we're nowhere near the limits of light directed solidification
[15:19:51] <pcw_home> how linear is the photo sensitivity if they was a threshold you could use laser focus to cure below the surface
[15:20:19] <pcw_home> ICs are still made with light directed solidification
[15:20:23] <fenn> two photon photo-polymerization is a thing that exists
[15:20:28] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: thats how 2-photon polymerization works
[15:20:40] <CaptHindsight> it only cures at the point of focus
[15:21:01] <pcw_home> avoids the flow issue
[15:21:20] <CaptHindsight> vs whatever the beam hits
[15:21:40] <pcw_home> harded 1mm above the window
[15:21:45] <pcw_home> harden
[15:22:07] <CaptHindsight> if the resin is relatively transparent
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[15:23:29] <CaptHindsight> won't have much penetration is the resin is filled with solids such as pigments, graphite, carbon, silica etc
[15:23:35] <CaptHindsight> is/if
[15:24:54] <CaptHindsight> but 2-photon polymerization gets you down to ~200nm features in XYZ
[15:26:18] <t12> mornin
[15:30:27] <CaptHindsight> t12: know anyone to fund my magic vat printer? I'll only need $70M
[15:30:54] <t12> lol
[15:31:01] <t12> need to do some ted talks first
[15:31:09] <CaptHindsight> ah
[15:31:10] <t12> will it cure cancer death and aging?
[15:31:20] <CaptHindsight> certainly
[15:31:53] <CaptHindsight> should be able to do it in the next 80-160 years, no problem
[15:32:44] <t12> very over that world at the moment
[15:32:48] <t12> max cynicism
[15:32:53] <CaptHindsight> heh
[15:33:40] * Jymmm hands CaptHindsight $140M - I'll take two with free OVERNIGHT shipping, whats the tracking number?
[15:34:17] <CaptHindsight> you can pick your own scent for each print as well
[15:34:41] <t12> pre orders!
[15:34:49] <CaptHindsight> see
[15:35:03] <t12> using big data
[15:35:27] <t12> we predict which test print model you would have used before never using the printer again
[15:35:33] <t12> and make it for yoy!
[15:35:34] <CaptHindsight> wonder what the Paypal fees are on $140M
[15:35:47] <Jymmm> Vaporware went out in the 90's man
[15:36:04] <t12> yeah weve moved on to vaporcompa ies
[15:36:11] <t12> vaporcompanies even
[15:36:19] <t12> corps?
[15:37:55] <CaptHindsight> 3D systems and Stratasys have lawsuits against them now for BSing their investors
[15:38:17] <t12> ya
[15:38:23] <CaptHindsight> profits were 1/3 their forecasts
[15:38:34] <t12> though its kinda
[15:38:35] <t12> like
[15:38:43] <t12> ok your investment didny work
[15:38:52] <t12> thats pretty common
[15:39:05] <t12> just accept the lost lottery ticket
[15:39:35] <CaptHindsight> who would have thought that their CEO's would lie?
[15:39:59] <t12> maybe they have real evidence that they just ignored/altered market research
[15:40:36] <t12> isnt this specifically over makerbot tho
[15:40:54] <t12> i think bre pettis is listed on the stratasys suit
[15:41:06] <CaptHindsight> no, makerbot is about selling known to be faulty printers
[15:41:38] <CaptHindsight> 3D systems just pulled figures out of someones butt
[15:42:22] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprintingindustry.com/2015/06/16/investors-seek-class-action-lawsuit-against-3d-systems-for-weak-earnings/
[15:42:26] <t12> do you think tbe carbon3d claims are bs
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[15:42:57] <CaptHindsight> t12: it works, it just doesn't need their patented vat film to work
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[15:43:50] <CaptHindsight> other materials work for the vat
[15:44:01] <CaptHindsight> and it also works with top projection
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[15:44:53] <CaptHindsight> the carbon scam is that it needs their magic transparent oxygen permeable membrane
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[15:45:25] <t12> does it actually speed stuff up with their chemistry
[15:45:36] <CaptHindsight> they have nothing
[15:45:39] <pcw_home> Nooo It _Needs_ their patented voodoo
[15:45:43] <CaptHindsight> you can do it
[15:46:04] <t12> a relative developed a bunch of those selective permiable membranes at ge
[15:47:00] <CaptHindsight> I forget when the Envisiontec patent runs out, maybe it already has
[15:47:12] <CaptHindsight> they patented the top projection
[15:48:05] <CaptHindsight> but that might be with a laser and the DLP patent is still active
[15:49:22] <CaptHindsight> the problem that Carbon has is that they are limited to a small range of materials
[15:50:04] <CaptHindsight> but printers like that will find niches
[15:51:21] <CaptHindsight> short runs of plastic parts (few K's) since tools take weeks to make for injection molding
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[15:52:50] <zeeshan> that carima 3d printer is actually fast!
[15:52:51] <zeeshan> nice
[15:53:53] <zeeshan> two weeks??!~1
[15:53:58] <zeeshan> thats quick for plastic injection parts :P
[15:54:49] <zeeshan> speaking of 3d printers
[15:54:56] <zeeshan> its funny my friends delta printer
[15:54:59] <zeeshan> isn't anywhere close to being precise
[15:55:04] <zeeshan> all the dimensions are completely out randomly
[15:55:14] <zeeshan> long live machining!
[15:55:24] <t12> solids are nice
[15:56:27] <CaptHindsight> say you can 3d print 100 parts an hour, so 24 x 7 = 168 x 100 parts = 16.8k parts before the tool shows up
[15:57:25] <CaptHindsight> so it's a fit for small runs if the materials are suitable
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[15:58:53] <ganzuul> Carbide make HSS seem soft...
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[15:59:28] <zeeshan> haha ganzuul
[15:59:29] <zeeshan> it does!
[15:59:35] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did you actually measure the parts to see by how far?
[15:59:46] <zeeshan> yea capt
[15:59:46] <zeeshan> i did
[15:59:51] <zeeshan> cause iove been machining the real deals
[15:59:55] <CaptHindsight> FDM is like pottery
[16:00:07] <zeeshan> the holes are out by 50 thou
[16:00:08] <zeeshan> or so
[16:00:19] <zeeshan> they're inconsistently out
[16:00:24] <zeeshan> one hole is out by 50 thou
[16:00:27] <zeeshan> the other is out by 40 thou
[16:00:30] <zeeshan> both are the same size..
[16:00:52] <zeeshan> the overall dimensions are out randomly as well
[16:00:59] <zeeshan> by 100 thou for height
[16:01:04] <zeeshan> width 50 ish
[16:01:14] <zeeshan> length 60ish
[16:01:21] <CaptHindsight> you can do much better with FDM, it might be his printer or software
[16:01:41] <t12> deltas have spherical error right
[16:02:04] <t12> where positoning resolution deceases as you depart from some point?
[16:02:07] <zeeshan> honestly, you'd have to really convince me to show fdm is precise.
[16:02:12] <zeeshan> dlp i understand
[16:02:25] <zeeshan> but fdm looks inherently flawed
[16:02:29] <pcw_home> Yoda doesn't care
[16:02:36] <zeeshan> youre literally spreading glue everywhere
[16:03:20] <Tom_itx> neither do all the dildos that get printed
[16:03:24] <CaptHindsight> FDM/GGG has it uses, just not the ones the repcrapers go on about
[16:03:38] <malcom2073> You don't use FDM for parts that need precision, if so, you're doing it wrong zeeshan
[16:03:40] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: if i was designing for fdm
[16:03:44] <zeeshan> i'd undersize everything
[16:03:47] <zeeshan> and machining em to spec after
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[16:03:54] <zeeshan> i only intend to use it for casting purposes
[16:03:57] <zeeshan> for generating molds
[16:04:10] <CaptHindsight> molds or patterns?
[16:04:15] <zeeshan> one off molds
[16:04:45] <CaptHindsight> what are you going to cast?
[16:04:55] <zeeshan> (lost foam casting type of stuff)
[16:05:00] <zeeshan> where the plastic just burns off
[16:05:13] <pcw_home> better with DLP for that
[16:05:25] <zeeshan> pcw_home: i won't be owning a dlp at home anytime soon
[16:05:31] <zeeshan> gotta work with fdm likely
[16:05:33] <CaptHindsight> I made a water soluble photopolymer for that
[16:05:48] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: different auto parts
[16:05:56] <pcw_home> fdm is just the wrong tool for that
[16:06:04] <zeeshan> its fine
[16:06:11] <zeeshan> you just need to machine your cast part after
[16:06:15] <zeeshan> which will be doing regardless after
[16:06:29] <zeeshan> i just need overall shape there
[16:06:55] <CaptHindsight> yeah, if you're not making molds in volume
[16:06:58] <pcw_home> if you like slow and inaccurate, its the tool of choice
[16:07:19] <zeeshan> pcw_home: you didnt mention cheap
[16:07:19] <zeeshan> :)
[16:07:24] <CaptHindsight> hours for the GGG mold, machine for another 30 minutes
[16:07:41] <zeeshan> yea most of the stuff ill be focusing on will be very small runs
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[16:07:49] <zeeshan> i really don't want to do a lot of production anymore.
[16:07:53] <zeeshan> ill outsource the production
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[16:08:15] <zeeshan> i want to make sure the product works in real life
[16:08:17] <zeeshan> then outsource
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[16:08:58] <Tom_itx> zeeshan gettin caught up on them?
[16:09:05] <pcw_home> not sure that a DLP system should be a whole lot more expensive
[16:09:16] <zeeshan> pcw_home: fdm seems be around 1500 bux for a decent one
[16:09:19] <zeeshan> dlp is in the 10's
[16:09:23] <zeeshan> to 40's
[16:09:36] <CaptHindsight> nah DLP is the same or lower
[16:09:37] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: http://i.imgur.com/ZU4JV8C.jpg
[16:09:41] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/aUxi6fO.jpg
[16:09:44] <CaptHindsight> depending on res
[16:10:00] <CaptHindsight> the projector is the most expensive part
[16:10:14] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: how much
[16:10:22] <zeeshan> find me a good one for 1500 :P
[16:10:34] <Tom_itx> is the fixture working as expected?
[16:10:39] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yes
[16:10:42] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: do you want off the shelf?
[16:10:48] <zeeshan> if i were to go back
[16:10:57] <zeeshan> i needed to design the mandrel to both expand
[16:10:58] <zeeshan> and contract
[16:11:02] <zeeshan> so they're easier to pull out
[16:11:08] <Tom_itx> yeah
[16:11:22] <zeeshan> but its not bad for a first time expanding mandrel job in wood :P
[16:11:30] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: yes :P
[16:11:36] <zeeshan> or used market
[16:11:52] <zeeshan> its on the list after lathe retrofit, atc for mill
[16:11:53] <zeeshan> :P
[16:12:22] <Tom_itx> i bet your shop floor is colorful
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[16:13:21] <CaptHindsight> looks like epoxy with 50's-60's speckle pattern
[16:13:39] <CaptHindsight> we had a kitchen table like that
[16:13:53] <zeeshan> the 6 on the right
[16:14:00] <zeeshan> are more plastic than wood
[16:14:09] <zeeshan> all the ones on the left are more like stablized wood
[16:14:15] <zeeshan> so im machining them at different feeds and speeds
[16:14:21] <zeeshan> the plastic i can rip through
[16:14:27] <zeeshan> the wood i gotta reduce by 25%
[16:14:55] <CaptHindsight> do you get the wood pre-impregnated?
[16:14:58] <pcw_home> ~3K seems to be the center for low cost SLA
[16:16:24] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: yes
[16:16:40] <zeeshan> it makes machining more stable - literally
[16:16:43] <zeeshan> in comaprison to regular wood
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[16:17:09] <zeeshan> it also helps reduce the dust
[16:17:55] <CaptHindsight> t12: are you saying that by giving a TED talk it actually adds to your credibility in the eyes of investors?
[16:18:04] <zeeshan> lol @ ted talk
[16:18:05] <zeeshan> hahaha
[16:18:09] <zeeshan> they used to be good
[16:18:14] <zeeshan> now they allow propoganda
[16:19:12] <CaptHindsight> hmmm, TED talk, 100K+ twitter and facebook fans/followers
[16:19:35] <CaptHindsight> appeal to the masses
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[16:20:39] <jthornton> anyone know how to append the PATH in debian wheezy and it stick? everything I've tried either won't be there after a boot or it doesn't add the path
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[16:21:58] <magnifikus> anyone experienced with the hal driver layer here? would like to use the trinamic ramp generators via SPI
[16:22:06] <magnifikus> but not sure if thats even possible with linuxcnc
[16:22:26] <magnifikus> so you tell it, how many steps and the acceleration etc values
[16:22:29] <Tom_itx> such difficult questions on a Sunday morning...
[16:22:35] <magnifikus> sry :D
[16:22:40] <magnifikus> but i find the drivers so sexy
[16:22:52] <pcw_home> jt: .bashrc?
[16:23:18] <jthornton> not tried that, put in the home directory?
[16:23:28] <ssi> morn
[16:23:34] <pcw_home> should already be there
[16:24:20] <pcw_home> magnifikus: look at an existing hal component
[16:24:26] <jthornton> ah yes it is there
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[16:29:12] <magnifikus> pcw_home: yeah i did with picnc2, but i was not sure if its even possible
[16:29:32] <magnifikus> so if you say not possible or way to complicated i save the time :)
[16:31:22] <ganzuul> Stanley knife blades are harder than HSS too. :o
[16:31:29] <pcw_home> Its surely possible, how will the host part of the SPI work?
[16:32:00] <magnifikus> ah im running currently on odroid with picnc2
[16:32:03] <magnifikus> that works nicely
[16:32:12] <magnifikus> so a pic32 is generating pulses
[16:32:34] <magnifikus> but my drivers evaporated, so im looking into a decent solution, like the tmc5130a
[16:32:57] <magnifikus> it can consume step pulses, but i thought why not use the spi interface and profit from the internal stepgens
[16:33:20] <magnifikus> and the picnc2 is using spi too
[16:34:19] <pcw_home> beware that un-isolated SPI to a motor driver is very susceptible to noise
[16:35:29] <magnifikus> my layout i using 5v level to the drivers and isolators from TI to and from the odroid
[16:35:36] <pcw_home> if the motor driver in on the same card with the same ground plane its more likely to work than if its a cabled interface
[16:35:38] <magnifikus> specced at 1mhz
[16:36:44] <magnifikus> maybe i try it for the challenge :)
[16:36:59] <CaptHindsight> jepler had fun getting SPI working on the odroid
[16:37:11] <CaptHindsight> lots of noise
[16:37:26] <pcw_home> lots of latency issues IICRC
[16:37:40] <CaptHindsight> plus didn't odroid not put a ground pin on the SPI header
[16:37:58] <CaptHindsight> it was something like signals only
[16:38:01] <magnifikus> eh c1 has one
[16:38:07] <magnifikus> using picnc on it atm
[16:38:13] <magnifikus> works fine
[16:38:23] <CaptHindsight> \0/
[16:39:03] <pcw_home> Yeah but most dev boards pretty much ignore SI issues (1 ground for many I/O pins for example)
[16:39:30] <magnifikus> yeah thats true
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[16:40:49] <magnifikus> oh it has 7 gnd pins on its 40 pins
[16:41:26] * jthornton gives up trying to learn go, I can't even set the path environment in debian wheezy running mate
[16:41:44] <magnifikus> but the SI can be a bitch
[16:41:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.trinamic.com/products/integrated-circuits/integrated-motion-controller-stepper-driver/tmc5130
[16:41:57] <magnifikus> esp if you got an crc error on one driver
[16:42:03] <magnifikus> the others start moving
[16:42:36] <CaptHindsight> good for making parts with random variations
[16:42:50] <CaptHindsight> handmade quality
[16:43:27] <magnifikus> i cannot afford a mesa card for our university lab :D
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[16:44:36] <magnifikus> http://snag.gy/dN9Qf.jpg first try but will turn drivers 180° for better si on the digital pins
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[16:46:31] <magnifikus> i got artix 7 fpgas at hand in the lab but no time to impelement something proper into them :D
[16:48:08] <CaptHindsight> 2 layer board?
[16:48:42] <magnifikus> test pcb yeah i can etch that inhouse
[16:49:24] <CaptHindsight> wide power traces but narrow ground traces
[16:49:53] <magnifikus> nah the ground planes are not visible
[16:52:02] <magnifikus> http://snag.gy/MtQif.jpg
[16:52:11] <magnifikus> top looks the same but you cant see anything anymore ^^
[16:52:39] <CaptHindsight> that makes more sense
[16:53:36] <magnifikus> http://snag.gy/AfcKz.jpg top
[16:55:00] <CaptHindsight> jumpers are your friend to help keep the floods/pours filled
[16:55:47] <magnifikus> yeah its totaly not final, 3 hours
[16:56:18] <magnifikus> the right side is empty on purpose, cause isolated interface
[16:58:08] <magnifikus> but if professionals say the tmc is shit, i can just stay with the picnc and build mosfet drivers with controller
[16:58:17] <magnifikus> just classic 16x microsteps
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[17:16:34] <magnifikus> oh and i want to add a central 16mhz clock for all chips so they are clocked all the same :P
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[18:12:08] <ganzuul> Anybody using a loupe, magnifying glass or such for their work?
[18:20:13] <cradek> I use lots of that kind of thing
[18:20:43] <cradek> also stereo microscope sometimes
[18:21:04] <archivist> ganzuul, more often I use a stereo zoom microscope
[18:21:20] <ganzuul> hmm
[18:21:26] <cradek> why?
[18:21:27] <ganzuul> How much zoom?
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[18:21:38] <ganzuul> Thinkign about getting a pair of these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Silver-Dentist-Dental-Loupes-Head-Light-Lamp-2-5-3-5-320-420-Surgical-glass-/191350456511
[18:21:39] <archivist> also just chuck another pair of reading glasses on
[18:21:46] <ganzuul> Cheaper than stereo microscope.
[18:22:48] <archivist> the CMMs trip from van to garage http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=cmm
[18:23:08] <cradek> I have add5.00 bifocals I wear for very small/close work
[18:25:17] <ganzuul> I'm thinking about ways to avoid getting my eyes close to sharp hot fast pointy bits...
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[18:28:32] <cradek> that's why we have polycarbonate
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[18:30:43] <furrywolf> work on parts large enough you don't need to get close to them. :)
[18:31:22] <archivist> run the lathe fast enough and the chips chase you
[18:31:52] <zeeshan> archivist:
[18:31:53] <zeeshan> holy cow
[18:31:56] <zeeshan> you werent kidding, you got a cmm!
[18:31:57] <zeeshan> nice!
[18:32:02] <archivist> managed to get them on the cupboard behind the tailstock once :)
[18:32:25] <archivist> zeeshan, me kid...neva
[18:32:36] <cradek> those concrete blocks are frightening
[18:32:37] <archivist> well sometimes
[18:32:39] <cradek> that is a nice level
[18:32:51] <cradek> I'm surprised a van could carry it
[18:33:03] <archivist> those levels are showing twist
[18:33:36] <archivist> the granite is only 140 kg
[18:34:04] <zeeshan> i see that youre making use of my level
[18:34:19] <archivist> so probably 300 kg and anothr 300 for the rack (heavy beast)
[18:34:21] <cradek> oh the two settings of the level are the same machine position?
[18:34:29] <archivist> yes
[18:34:43] <cradek> interesting!
[18:35:50] <archivist> now really happy with the levels as I expected the cmm to be better than them, but the original spec was only 200 microinches
[18:36:45] <archivist> van is a 3.5 ton gross iirc
[18:37:19] * ganzuul is also impressed with the van
[18:37:42] <archivist> its a leaky heap ready for the scrap yard
[18:41:38] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/battsinvan01.jpg
[18:41:59] <archivist> now that is van abuse :)
[18:42:11] <furrywolf> nah. that's a little under its weight rating. :)
[18:42:14] <archivist> was it on the bump stops
[18:42:22] <furrywolf> not even close.
[18:42:36] <furrywolf> I got a 1-ton superduty, just so I could do stuff like that. :)
[18:42:49] <furrywolf> big axles, big springs.
[18:43:44] <ganzuul> Was looking at new vans, could not find weight ratings? ¯\(º_o)/¯
[18:43:47] <archivist> I had a smoother ride that usual on Friday with the CMM in (and the concrete blocks)
[18:44:14] <furrywolf> Big axles, big springs, big transmission, big V8... 11 miles per gallon.
[18:44:31] <furrywolf> what's the cmm weigh?
[18:44:32] <archivist> I get 22 to the gallon in the heap
[18:44:52] <archivist> I am guessing about 300 kg
[18:45:03] <furrywolf> oh, that's nothing.
[18:45:04] <furrywolf> lol
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[18:45:41] <archivist> the rack and blocks made the weight up a "bit"
[18:46:05] <furrywolf> my van is supposed to have 15 passengers in it... it's appropriately beefy.
[18:51:43] <furrywolf> it's the van version of a superduty truck... same drivetrain.
[18:52:40] <furrywolf> bbl, using said van to move a water heater and a bunch of stainless shelving. :)
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[18:56:41] <Tom_itx> ganzuul, that magnifier looks heavy to wear
[18:57:18] <Tom_itx> i use a 7x45 zoom binocular scope along with other magnifiers depending on the work
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[19:02:34] <JT-Shop> lol somehow I've set the path to stick on this debian wheezy but can't for the life of me remember how or where I set it
[19:02:49] <JT-Shop> with 50 possible choices according to google...
[19:03:25] <archivist> what path?
[19:03:41] <JT-Shop> the executable path
[19:05:12] * JT-Shop tried grep to see if I can find it
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[19:05:55] <archivist> the standard is in /etc somewhere and your user local is added in .bashrc or whatever you are using
[19:06:34] <archivist> it extends the standard paths if you want it to
[19:06:41] <pcw_home> .profile has an example of adding a local path option
[19:10:30] <JT-Shop> I tried .profile, .bash_profile, export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/go/bin and a few more in etc something
[19:12:45] <archivist> echo $PATH will show you what is knows about
[19:14:01] <pcw_home> did you add you new path to .profile?
[19:14:09] <pcw_home> your
[19:14:41] * ganzuul has completed his first facing operation!
[19:15:30] <ganzuul> shiny :3
[19:15:46] <CaptHindsight> did any of you have a machine shop class in HS?
[19:16:14] <ganzuul> Tom_itx: That's a good point... There is a version of the same without the light.
[19:16:35] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight i had somewhat of one
[19:16:38] <pcw_home> if you read . profile is says its not used if .bash_profile or .bash_login exist
[19:16:45] <ganzuul> Tom_itx: Aren't those just regular binoculars though?
[19:17:08] <cradek> JT-Shop: you should install the go language package (golang)
[19:17:13] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, and mechanical drawing etc
[19:17:20] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if they still exist
[19:17:21] <cradek> JT-Shop: I don't know what you've done to get /usr/local/go but it was the wrong thing
[19:17:24] <ganzuul> The 7x45 that is
[19:17:29] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, i'm not sure
[19:17:40] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: heh, yeah I took a few years of that
[19:17:42] <Tom_itx> i know they have a room full of Haas at the trade school
[19:18:40] <Tom_itx> along with manual machines etc
[19:20:03] <CaptHindsight> I went to HS with the first lady, we only had a woodshop and TV studio
[19:20:31] <CaptHindsight> my friends had a HS machine shop that was really complete with manual tools
[19:20:32] <Tom_itx> they were 'building' the metal shop up when i was there
[19:20:38] <Tom_itx> they already had a wood shop
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[19:20:58] <CaptHindsight> they also had a complete auto shop
[19:21:14] <Tom_itx> i went to a smaller HS
[19:21:34] <CaptHindsight> oh yeah we had a photo lab as well
[19:21:42] <Tom_itx> they had one of those
[19:21:47] <Tom_itx> 'publications' class
[19:21:53] <CaptHindsight> and they still taught typesetting by hand
[19:22:56] <CaptHindsight> and the computer lab a 2 terminals to teach BASIC
[19:22:58] <JT-Shop> cradek, I did install the go language package but part of the instructions is to append the PATH variable with the install location
[19:23:23] <JT-Shop> the install instructions I followed https://golang.org/doc/install
[19:23:54] <cradek> no the debian package
[19:23:59] <cradek> apt-get install golang
[19:24:39] <JT-Shop> that's probably why I'm have so much fun
[19:24:53] <CaptHindsight> I took a welding class at anther HS at night (gas and arc)
[19:25:11] <Tom_itx> yeah i took that as well. just stick and gas though
[19:25:24] <archivist> CaptHindsight, I had metalwork for a year at one school, the next said not enough want it you can do woodwork
[19:25:56] <CaptHindsight> I don't know if they still have them in the US
[19:26:08] <CaptHindsight> too dangerous
[19:26:17] <CaptHindsight> think of the children
[19:26:20] <archivist> make a name tag and use emery paper to get a mirror finish
[19:30:25] <archivist> 3d glue gun course probably now
[19:30:32] <CaptHindsight> lol
[19:31:09] <archivist> actually that is available in the local school!
[19:31:25] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, survival of the fittest
[19:31:48] <CaptHindsight> used to have: carpentry, cabinet making, and wood turning, foundry, forge, welding, coremaking and molding, machine shop and electric shop
[19:31:54] <Tom_itx> yeah the local vo tech just got a bunch of glue guns
[19:32:17] <CaptHindsight> + auto and welding
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[19:32:30] <archivist> these days the local tech college has those types of courses
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[19:33:31] <CaptHindsight> so they still do science experiments? besides growing seeds and similar safe projects
[19:33:43] <CaptHindsight> so/do
[19:33:45] <Tom_itx> like nukes?
[19:33:59] <CaptHindsight> clock making
[19:34:16] <jthornton> cradek, thanks that worked
[19:34:22] <archivist> clock making is only at about two colleges in the UK
[19:34:35] <Tom_itx> some crafts will just appear in history books
[19:34:37] <jthornton> I wonder why golang didn't just say use apt-get and install it on your debian box?
[19:35:12] <Tom_itx> jthornton, that would make your day too normal
[19:37:31] <CaptHindsight> heh in 1915 "the machine shop. It was equipped with 80 machines and 60 lathes cast and built at Lane"
[19:37:41] <CaptHindsight> 100 years later.....
[19:37:46] <archivist> CaptHindsight, most clock making is self taught with with a qualification from the BHI available by remote learning and some exams
[19:38:13] <CaptHindsight> glue gun printers
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[19:39:46] <CaptHindsight> archivist: I was also poking fun at "clock making at school" after that kid was cuffed and held for hours for taking digital clock guts to school
[19:40:02] <archivist> you can cram a years BHI course in a few weeks if you can already draw and make metal things from a drawing
[19:40:29] <archivist> I did see that news item
[19:41:13] <CaptHindsight> I wasn't aware of BHI until now
[19:42:59] <archivist> your side has http://nawcc.org/
[19:43:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nawcc-index.net/Schools.php
[19:44:54] <CaptHindsight> tool maker is another soon to be lost craft in the US
[19:45:56] <archivist> dont see how as all the press and molding tools still need to be made
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[19:47:38] <CaptHindsight> I was at the last Molding trade show, wasn't very big
[19:48:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amerimoldexpo.com/articles/post-show
[19:49:27] <archivist> but that claims "This total included a record number of exhibiting tool and mold manufacturers."
[19:51:13] <archivist> I think there is a perception that you can just throw some cam and a cnc into a pot these days and get an item made
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[19:53:17] <CaptHindsight> what the CNC salesperson said :)
[19:53:44] <CaptHindsight> just load the material, program and GO
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[20:03:56] <CaptHindsight> http://impossible-objects.com/technology/ watch the video
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[20:07:05] <_methods> impossible
[20:07:34] <CaptHindsight> yeah, shouldn't they be called "possible objects"
[20:07:42] <CaptHindsight> lies lieslies
[20:08:23] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to start a company that doesn't make impossible parts to prove it can't be done
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[20:10:37] <_methods> hahaha
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[21:19:23] <furrywolf> anyone here ever pressure test natural gas plumbing? can you do a test with the meter still connected, or will backpressure make it unhappy/explodey?
[21:20:01] <Wolf_> close the valve first?
[21:21:08] <furrywolf> the meter only has a valve between it at the city, not between it and the building's plumbing.
[21:21:14] <furrywolf> said valve is, of course, closed.
[21:22:15] <Wolf_> should be fine then, I think you need to do a leak down test not really pressure…
[21:22:56] <furrywolf> you have to pressurize it to some higher pressure (I'm tempted to say >3psi) and wait some specified period of time (I'm tempted to say 10 minutes) without it dropping.
[21:23:45] <Wolf_> i don’t really remember, I only did a ng install once and I really didn’t do anything other then watch, and it was the line from the street to the meter...
[21:25:37] <furrywolf> we're putting back into service a system that's been disconnected for many years, and the brass appliance valves tweekered... so replacing the missing valves, then doing a pressure test to make sure there's no hidden leaks, leaks inside walls from the valve being removed, etc.
[21:25:57] <andypugh> The normal test is to open the main valve, watch the manometer level, close the valve, and make sure that the manometer doesn’t move.
[21:26:35] <andypugh> So, you pressure test with normal supply pressure.
[21:27:19] <furrywolf> I'm fairly sure the code requires a 3psi test...
[21:27:53] <andypugh> What is the supply pressure?
[21:28:06] <andypugh> (after the meter)
[21:28:18] <furrywolf> yes...
[21:28:19] <furrywolf> 406.4.1 Test pressure. The test pressure to be used shall be no less than 1 ½ times the proposed maximum working pressure, but not less than 3 psig (20 kPa gauge), irrespective of design pressure.
[21:29:19] <furrywolf> 7" WC
[21:29:21] <andypugh> OK, that’s rather odd. I have never seen a UK plumber over-pressure the system
[21:29:29] <furrywolf> I'm not in the UK. :P
[21:29:33] <Jymmm> makes sense to me
[21:29:50] <andypugh> Yes, but I can’t see them doing it anywhere. How would you do it?
[21:30:16] <Wolf_> so stuff in the UK blows apart if over pressure but doesn’t leak? :P
[21:30:28] <Jymmm> pump? compressed gas? Nitrogen tank?
[21:30:43] <andypugh> Why would it be over pressure? There is a regulator in the meter.
[21:31:01] <JT-Shop> there are no codes where JT lives
[21:31:02] <andypugh> (you could turn up the regulator, I suppose)
[21:31:06] <furrywolf> andypugh: they have a fitting at the hardware store that's pipe on one end, a shrader valve on the other, and has a gauge on top. you connect it to a pipe, pressurize it, pop your pressure source off the shrader valve, and watch the gauge.
[21:31:12] <Wolf_> regulators fail
[21:31:26] <furrywolf> schrader
[21:31:34] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Hey, I made one of those with garden hose fitting =)
[21:31:36] <Wolf_> same reason the water filter housings are rated to 110psi
[21:31:55] <furrywolf> http://www.bramec.com/cats/17255l.gif looks like that.
[21:32:13] <Sync> andypugh: they do it in germany
[21:32:37] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Thats what mine looks like bot 0-100 and garden female fiting =)
[21:32:41] <andypugh> That’s a job for a Chimney Sweep in Germany isn’t it?
[21:32:41] <Jymmm> but*
[21:33:22] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Found 4 water leaks at 60psi too =)
[21:34:03] <furrywolf> Jymmm: I had a water fitting develop a pinhole in it a few months ago... crappy sandy casting. fitting had been installed about a month. fucking china.
[21:34:04] <Sync> nope andypugh
[21:34:15] <Jymmm> furrywolf: ouch =(
[21:34:15] <Sync> only a gas water and shit installer can do it
[21:34:21] <andypugh> They just do the flues and CO tests then?
[21:34:25] <Sync> yes
[21:35:39] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I just had the whole house repiped, I asked if they pressure tested, they said no, so I did it instead, bastards.
[21:35:48] <andypugh> It’s interesting to me how in Germany a chimney sweep is a mandatory and regulated profession, and in the UK its just a guy who sweeps chimneys, and either the plumber or nobody is responsible for where the combustion products go,
[21:36:06] <Sync> interesting
[21:36:36] <furrywolf> pressure tested and found four leaks large enough to visibly leak water? I would have been rather unhappy with them.
[21:36:37] <Jymmm> andypugh: welcome to the "It's not MY job"
[21:36:55] <andypugh> Mainly boilers are installed by plumbers. The same guy does the water, gas and flue.
[21:36:57] <furrywolf> and here chimney sweeping isn't a specialized profession.
[21:36:58] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Eh, I called, they came and fixed it.
[21:37:09] <Jymmm> furrywolf: TWICE
[21:37:13] <Sync> well, it is a fire hazard andypugh
[21:37:26] <Sync> and I think people got fed up with chimney fires
[21:37:34] <andypugh> Yes, a sooty chimney is a danger, certainly.
[21:37:57] * Jymmm gets to be the chimney sweep next week
[21:38:03] <andypugh> But there is no mandatory inspection or sweeping schedule.
[21:38:11] <Jymmm> ...and not top hat either =(
[21:38:16] <Jymmm> no*
[21:38:30] <andypugh> Jymmm: Can you borrow a Victorian child?
[21:38:47] <XXCoder> make sure it can sing that song lol
[21:39:03] <furrywolf> amazingly I'm not finding googling what the maximum backpressure I can apply to a gas meter is.
[21:39:10] <Jymmm> andypugh: There are laws regarding child/slave labor, plus the whole actors guld thing wants licening /ryalty rights
[21:39:15] <Sync> interesting
[21:40:07] <andypugh> I used to think that Germans liked to have too many laws, and would always abide by them. Then VW happened…
[21:41:19] <andypugh> If I had to guess which company would be most likely to abide by the letter of the law it would be VW…
[21:41:45] <Sync> haha
[21:42:02] <Sync> every company tries to evade emissions
[21:42:10] <Sync> it has been that way and always will be
[21:42:42] <Jymmm> furrywolf: No worries, just plumb the gas line to the drain pipe in case of any leaks and hope someone isn't smoking on the toilet =)
[21:42:49] <andypugh> Interesting that in in the comparison drive where VW were 30x over stated emissions the BMW X5 was _under_ declared emissions. That’s actually rather impressive.
[21:43:14] <Wolf_> whats the mpg on each?
[21:43:17] <Wolf_> :P
[21:43:41] <andypugh> I don’t know. This was NOx
[21:43:55] <Sync> furrywolf: I think you are supposed to disconnect the meter
[21:44:22] <furrywolf> Sync: I think so too, but I really don't want to. heh.
[21:44:25] <andypugh> BMW spend a lot of money on aftertreatment. There is more margin on an X5 than a Golf, and more space for the parts too.
[21:44:38] <furrywolf> especially since the meter is their property, not yours, and you're not supposed to fuck with it...
[21:44:45] <Wolf_> worry about the NOx, who cares if it kills the efficiency down to nothing also
[21:45:11] <Wolf_> X5 probably gets half the mpg as a Golf as well
[21:45:15] <Sync> andypugh: I suppose every company spends about the same on it
[21:45:30] <JT-Shop> laser printer keeps saying the toner is low but it keeps printing...
[21:45:36] <andypugh> Sync: No, BMW spend more, their cars cost more.
[21:45:44] <Wolf_> lol
[21:45:44] <furrywolf> also, am I the only one disturbed by applying pressurized air to a system containing fuel gas, which will create an explosive mixture at some point during the filling? heh
[21:45:59] <Wolf_> if cars only worked that way...
[21:46:27] <andypugh> Sync: I work for a company that doesn’t even attempt to sell Diesel in the US. And it’s a US-based company.
[21:46:38] <Sync> furrywolf: plumbers will just remove live lines and then start to prep the plug for it
[21:46:42] <Sync> yeah I know
[21:46:50] <Sync> and I know that selling diesels in the US is a major pain
[21:47:44] <andypugh> furrywolf: No, that was my main concern with over-resssuring a live system. Thouugh I think that when you consider the actual volume of gas in the system the risk is tiny
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[21:49:20] <furrywolf> I also want to blow the lines out with compressed air, to remove bugs/etc from the disconnected valves.
[21:50:27] <furrywolf> the one for the furnace pretty obviously has crap in it
[21:50:41] <Sync> also no real ignition sources inside the pipe
[21:51:13] <furrywolf> tweekers took all the copper and brass... so the main plumbing (steel) is intact, and the furnace valve (pot metal) is intact, but the shutoff valve (brass) and flex line (brass) are awol. because tweek.
[21:52:47] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Heh, all I can find is San Bruno crap
[21:52:48] <Wolf_> nice...
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[21:55:09] <furrywolf> obvious statement is obvious: 6. A.4 The test medium for applying the air test can be air, nitrogen, or carbon dioxide.
[21:55:09] <furrywolf> OXYGEN SHALL NEVER BE USED!
[21:55:34] <Jymmm> furrywolf: HYDROGEN be a okey pankey!
[21:55:47] <Wolf_> pure oxygen does funny things sometimes
[21:55:55] <andypugh> furrywolf: Can you use FOOF?
[21:56:04] <furrywolf> lol
[21:56:08] <JT-Shop> how about using quick silver
[21:56:34] <furrywolf> no, it can be air, nitrogen, or carbon dioxide, like it says. :P
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[21:56:49] <Jymmm> Yeah, the Almaden Quick Silver mine is just down the road from you furrywolf
[21:57:11] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Any liquid is functionally bad. In the case if Hg you might get a false-positive as the mercury amalgamated with the solder.
[21:58:13] <Jymmm> furrywolf: This is as close as I could find http://www.pge.com/includes/docs/pdfs/mybusiness/customerservice/startstop/newconstruction/greenbook/servicerequirements/02.pdf
[22:00:26] <Sync> andypugh: wasn't the problem with the us and diesel that they measure emissions in relation to gross vehicle weight or some crap?
[22:00:47] <andypugh> furrywolf: Have you read http://www.tor.com/2012/07/20/a-tall-tail/
[22:01:02] <andypugh> Sync: Everyone does.
[22:01:47] <Wolf_> emission standards in the usa for diesel are insane I have heard (big oil + car companies don’t want efficient cars)
[22:01:47] <furrywolf> andypugh: no
[22:01:50] <andypugh> The problem with the US and diesel is that they live in deserts with no wind.
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[22:02:20] * furrywolf doesn't usually read fiction
[22:02:21] <andypugh> So NOx is seen as massively more important than CO2
[22:02:43] <andypugh> furrywolf: It’s short. And fun
[22:04:01] <andypugh> You have to love any story that makes a FOOF/dimethylmercury rocket motor seem like a sensible idea.
[22:04:49] <furrywolf> lol
[22:05:19] <furrywolf> have you read Ignition!? it also has implausible rocket fuels, but is entirely nonfictional.
[22:05:38] <andypugh> Not yet, it’son my list
[22:06:25] <furrywolf> http://web.gccaz.edu/~wkehowsk/ignition.pdf
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[22:13:31] <Sync> huh, as I take it EURO regulates it with fixed values for each material andypugh
[22:15:19] <andypugh> Sync: No, you can actually produce an unlimited amount of CO2, though the vehicle will be in a higher tax band in places where they tax on CO2.
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[22:16:27] <Sync> sure, as euro does not regulate CO2
[22:17:12] <Sync> I'm actually thinking of subjecting my race car to emissions testing
[22:17:17] <Sync> as it should have no problem passing
[22:17:29] <Sync> it is euro1 so pfft
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[22:17:37] <furrywolf> you're probably not in california. :P
[22:17:49] <furrywolf> in here, the mere act of touching the emissions system makes it illegal.
[22:17:52] <furrywolf> because california.
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[22:19:49] <furrywolf> bbl, plumbing. (of the water variety)
[22:20:44] <Sync> CARB tier 1 should be very easy to hit
[22:21:05] <zeeshan> i wish one of you guys was local
[22:21:09] <Tom_itx> why?
[22:21:10] * zeeshan would be sending machining jobs
[22:21:24] <Tom_itx> i wish i had a machine to do zeeshan's jobs
[22:21:40] <zeeshan> i dont have a single friend locally
[22:21:40] <Sync> shipping overseas is quick zeeshan
[22:21:43] <zeeshan> that is into machines like us
[22:21:55] <Tom_itx> glad you clarified that
[22:22:03] <furrywolf> do you have friends that are not into machines like us? :P
[22:22:10] <zeeshan> tons unfortunately
[22:22:23] <zeeshan> mostly car guys
[22:22:24] <Tom_itx> zeeshan you must be hangin with the wrong croud...
[22:22:26] <zeeshan> and engineers
[22:22:33] <furrywolf> so at least you're not entirely friendless. :P
[22:22:40] <zeeshan> that rather watch a movie than work in a shop
[22:22:41] <zeeshan> :{
[22:22:52] <furrywolf> bbl
[22:22:53] <zeeshan> i have one friend whos into working on machines
[22:22:56] <Sync> > car guy
[22:23:01] <zeeshan> but he's got the makerspace mentality
[22:23:03] <zeeshan> if you know what i mean..
[22:23:04] <Sync> > doesn't work in the shop
[22:23:20] <zeeshan> (you take apart something and never put it back together, you start a project -- never finish it)
[22:23:22] <Tom_itx> move?
[22:23:40] <zeeshan> (or build something completely useless like 3d print an anime character)
[22:23:52] <Tom_itx> or a turd?
[22:23:53] * zeeshan mumbles and grumbles to himself
[22:24:13] <zeeshan> that turd has brought enough money
[22:24:17] <zeeshan> to retrofit a lathe and buy a 3d printer
[22:24:20] <zeeshan> and do an atc swap
[22:24:23] <zeeshan> so don't make fun of the turd okay!
[22:24:32] <Tom_itx> mkay fair nuff...
[22:24:34] <Tom_itx> :)
[22:24:42] <zeeshan> i told my wifey
[22:24:47] <Tom_itx> but you've been griping about it
[22:24:48] <zeeshan> shop money buys shop stuff or car stuff
[22:25:03] <zeeshan> im just bitter
[22:25:08] <zeeshan> cause the guy always has something he wants to change
[22:25:09] <zeeshan> im sick of it
[22:25:11] <Tom_itx> better yet don't tell wifey what shop does at all
[22:25:12] <zeeshan> i told him off the other day
[22:25:21] <zeeshan> he wanted a curve changed
[22:25:22] <zeeshan> im like
[22:25:24] <Tom_itx> you know how to cure that?
[22:25:26] <zeeshan> "not going to happen"
[22:25:33] <zeeshan> "it's too late for that now"
[22:25:37] <Tom_itx> hit him with a nasty bill on hte next change order
[22:25:58] <Tom_itx> i ran into that once on a software job
[22:26:05] <Tom_itx> it actually works
[22:26:08] <zeeshan> hehe
[22:26:24] <zeeshan> also
[22:26:30] <andypugh> Not even a nasty bill. Just an actual hourly rate bill for all the time it takes.
[22:26:34] <zeeshan> im bitter cause he's given me oversize stuff
[22:26:42] <Tom_itx> they had no clue.. they found out what it could do... they wanted alot more for the same original agreement
[22:26:42] <zeeshan> so i need to remove a lot of extra stock for no reason.
[22:26:45] <Tom_itx> wrong answer
[22:26:47] <zeeshan> i gave him dimensions of wha ti wanted
[22:26:50] <zeeshan> and some stock he's given undersize
[22:26:55] <zeeshan> so there is a chance it won't completely machine right
[22:27:00] <zeeshan> that makes me really bitter.
[22:27:09] <zeeshan> just been venting here in different way, sorry :P
[22:27:13] <zeeshan> *ways
[22:27:24] * Tom_itx goes for icecream
[22:27:29] <zeeshan> haha
[22:28:10] <andypugh> zeeshan: It should only take a quick caliper check to reject undersize stuff?
[22:28:42] <zeeshan> andypugh: i wish it was like that
[22:28:49] <zeeshan> the stock is cut at random angles
[22:28:53] <andypugh> (Then charge him for creating the child-size version)
[22:28:55] <zeeshan> so i try my best to square it
[22:29:02] <zeeshan> and machine one side flat for my reference geomtry
[22:29:28] <zeeshan> so relative to the reference face
[22:29:31] <zeeshan> all surfaces have angles
[22:29:37] <zeeshan> its hard to tell if it'll be good or bad
[22:29:40] <zeeshan> i just know itll be close
[22:30:00] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ZU4JV8C.jpg
[22:30:01] <zeeshan> reference face
[22:30:08] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/aUxi6fO.jpg
[22:30:12] <zeeshan> this pic it's hard to tell
[22:30:15] <zeeshan> but each one of them is at an angle
[22:30:16] <andypugh> In an ideal world you would throw it through a structured light grid and have a computer find the part in the stock :-)
[22:30:25] <zeeshan> haha
[22:31:19] <andypugh> Heh! Those look like that video I showed you on making expoxy-wood blanks
[22:32:15] <andypugh> Nice jig.
[22:32:15] <furrywolf> yay, an answer! 2. The gas meter and associated gas regulating equipment SHALL NOT be installed prior to any
[22:32:16] <furrywolf> pressure/leakage test. This equipment is to be leak tested at service line pressure.
[22:32:32] <PetefromTn_> hey folks
[22:32:49] <JT-Shop> hi
[22:33:02] <PetefromTn_> Hey JT
[22:33:16] <andypugh> I realised today that for my current job I should have made a 4-pin jig to allow me to rotate the part between jobs.
[22:33:27] <zeeshan> thanks :P
[22:33:37] <zeeshan> hi
[22:34:01] <andypugh> The parts need to be registered anyway.
[22:37:18] <andypugh> I have set up a config for the horizontal spindle, that means the mill can now do much larger workpieces. Interestingly it is also _much_ quieter.
[22:37:19] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/BRKHry0DJitoQMnrS9v5e9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[22:38:25] <PetefromTn_> gotta motivate here and get my ass out to make that PVC bubbler for the anodizing tank LOL
[22:38:48] <PetefromTn_> but right now I am enjoying sitting and listening to Pandora ;)
[22:38:49] <Wolf_> yeahyou slacker
[22:38:58] <PetefromTn_> I am actually :D
[22:39:03] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: Can’t you use an aquairium part?
[22:39:12] <zeeshan> andypugh: ewwwwwwwwwwww mdf
[22:39:26] <PetefromTn_> I did mow the whole damn lawn, weed eat, spray weed killer, and and and
[22:39:31] <Wolf_> guess that means I should be making my stepper mounts right now lol
[22:39:33] <PetefromTn_> andypugh I dunno man
[22:39:36] <andypugh> Yes, I know. But I am making a foundry pattern
[22:39:58] <PetefromTn_> I bought a decent air regulator and a bag full of tees and elbow fittings etc.
[22:40:09] <PetefromTn_> oh and the glue can't forget the glue ;)
[22:40:21] <zeeshan> nice mill btw
[22:40:24] <zeeshan> what taper is the spindle?
[22:40:38] <PetefromTn_> Went to look at a sorta beat up Pontiac Fiero GT today..
[22:40:53] <JT-Shop> I feel your pain PetefromTn_ I need to finish siding the shop and garage, stack 750 retaining wall blocks and a zillion other things
[22:40:54] <PetefromTn_> depresses me to see them all neglected
[22:40:59] <andypugh> zeeshan: In the background is the lump pf pre-used model board (PU) that I wanted to use, but it is nowhere near big enough.
[22:41:37] <PetefromTn_> My wife suggested I get a bunch of 7/16 OSB board and sheet the walls of my shop so I can add shelves etc.
[22:41:38] <andypugh> zeeshan: 30 taper.
[22:42:04] * Wolf_ isn’t going to post his to-do list…
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[22:42:32] <Wolf_> lets say for starters I have 20 square of siding sitting in my yard...
[22:42:52] <PetefromTn_> I resided my whole house and shop a couple years ago.
[22:42:56] <PetefromTn_> glad that shit is over
[22:43:17] <PetefromTn_> I had to remove that crappy masonite board and the old foam board
[22:43:44] <PetefromTn_> then put the 7/16 OSB, then new foam board, then the tyvek house wrap, then the new siding
[22:43:48] <PetefromTn_> took FOREVER
[22:43:52] <Wolf_> lol, mine is alum siding over wood lap siding, over a board and batt house
[22:44:10] <PetefromTn_> ya know what pisses me off
[22:44:19] <PetefromTn_> siding companies here will come to your house
[22:44:25] <PetefromTn_> and no matter how shitty the old siding is
[22:44:31] <andypugh> zeeshan: The horizontal is the origingal ISO 30. The vertical has a pnuematic drawbar, and became BT30. Then I got a deal on all that SK30 tooling in the photo (£80) and so converted the vertical to SK30 by shortening one dog.
[22:44:35] <Wolf_> which some dumb ass added a window to and cut out one of the king beams
[22:44:38] <PetefromTn_> they will just pop a few nails in and side right over that shit
[22:45:11] <PetefromTn_> I had a guy come here to quote me the work when I first started looking at getting it done
[22:45:18] <PetefromTn_> I was like SERIOUSLY>
[22:45:29] <PetefromTn_> you are just gonna go right over the masonite horizontal boards?
[22:45:37] <PetefromTn_> he's like sure man we do it all the time...
[22:45:46] <Wolf_> I won’t let any contractors touch my shit
[22:45:48] <PetefromTn_> Needless to say our conversation was over after that
[22:46:26] <andypugh> You giys need to make houses from durable material. My folks’ house hasn’t needed any attention to the “siding” in 500 years :-)
[22:46:52] <Wolf_> my house is only 200yrs old
[22:47:11] <zeeshan> andypugh: yea same here :P
[22:47:14] <zeeshan> mine was sk40
[22:47:17] <zeeshan> went to cat40
[22:47:24] <zeeshan> sk40 tooling is hard to find here
[22:47:34] <PetefromTn_> in retrospect it would probably be easier to build new house LOL
[22:47:47] <Wolf_> but new siding I got is concrete board so I shouldn’t have to mess with it
[22:48:14] <andypugh> I just got a deal because eBay folk didn’t realise that SK is only slightly different.
[22:48:16] <PetefromTn_> jeez man my house is only like 20 years old and I think it is OLD
[22:48:17] <JT-Shop> I'd hate to build my house and garage and shop over again... I'm too old for that shit anymore
[22:48:50] <andypugh> (the other way is harder, fitting BT / ISO / CAT to SK spindles is more tricksy
[22:50:12] <andypugh> Horizontal milling is great except you really can’t see what you are doing.
[22:50:41] <Wolf_> ok, seeing I don’t know anything about VFD stuff, what type of motor should I be looking for on ebay, something around 1/2-3/4hp...
[22:50:44] <andypugh> That already cost me that extra-long 10mm 2-flute in the photo
[22:51:32] <Wolf_> andypugh: add some cheap car backup cameras to the machine
[22:51:33] <andypugh> Wolf_: Ideally look for “Inverter Rated” in the description
[22:52:00] <andypugh> Anyway, sleepy-time
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[22:54:31] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[22:54:51] <PetefromTn_> Gn8 JT
[22:55:09] * JT-Shop has higher hopes for this pos microatx case now that I stole the power supply from the d525 case
[22:56:05] <JT-Shop> except I don't see where the hard drive goes???
[23:00:49] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, what about something like this only larger? http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/newtank2.jpg
[23:01:06] <Tom_itx> perforated fish tank tubing
[23:01:26] <PetefromTn_> wth?
[23:01:31] <PetefromTn_> Oh okay
[23:01:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah that would have been useful BEFORE I bought all the PVC stuff LOL
[23:01:52] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/etching/etch4.jpg
[23:01:57] <Tom_itx> make more sense now?
[23:03:04] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, did you see my last tapping video?
[23:03:30] <PetefromTn_> no been busy with SCHTUFF
[23:03:43] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g99lUtjLfMU&feature=youtu.be
[23:05:52] <PetefromTn_> Sweet....Never seen a machine tap quite like that.
[23:06:03] <PetefromTn_> how is it that it can stop at the bottom?
[23:06:22] <PetefromTn_> also you got balls to rigid tap with a drill chuck LOL
[23:06:45] <Tom_itx> it was tight
[23:07:23] * Wolf_ gains hope for his POS mini mill
[23:07:41] <Tom_itx> it takes a bit for the PID to ramp up enough for the spindle to move. it's what you get with a small motor on a small machine
[23:08:24] <Tom_itx> without PID i doubt it would have worked
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[23:08:59] <surgy> hi :)
[23:09:57] <PetefromTn_> pretty sweet tho
[23:10:01] <surgy> i hada few questions aboutlinuxcncif anyone is around to answer them
[23:10:32] <Wolf_> hmm, do 110 in 3phase out VFD exist?
[23:10:39] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, andy pointed out it was a good example because the axis still follows the spindle
[23:11:06] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah it is cool to see LinuxCNC coordinated movement
[23:11:30] <PetefromTn_> can't do that shit with MACH3 LOL
[23:11:36] <Tom_itx> it's a machine i can play with linuxcnc on but i don't expect alot from it
[23:12:57] <Wolf_> or should i just deal with adding 220 to my hobby room lol
[23:14:07] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, that bubbler tank worked good for PCBs
[23:14:26] <Tom_itx> and all i used was a fishtank pump
[23:14:32] <Tom_itx> dual
[23:14:57] <surgy> so im currently building a cnc. i was looking into grbl and an arduino. but someone over at #electronics sugegsted i should take a serious look at linux cnc. will i be able to interface with my arduino to control my motor controllers...... or do you guys use a different system?
[23:15:21] <Tom_itx> we use linuxcnc
[23:15:23] <Tom_itx> run on a pc
[23:15:42] <surgy> Wolf_: chances are you dont have 3 phase power in your house at all......
[23:15:44] <Tom_itx> alot more versatile than any ardweenie could be
[23:15:54] <JT-Shop> lol
[23:16:07] <surgy> Tom_itx: yeah but how do you interface with the motors on the cnc machine?
[23:16:23] <Wolf_> surgy: umm duh, VFD inverter takes single phase in and puts out 3
[23:16:32] <Tom_itx> well you can use your motor drivers interfaced thru a parallel port or get a mesa card and use that
[23:16:48] <Tom_itx> the mesa solution is better because you get faster step rates etc
[23:17:12] <Tom_itx> they have various pc interfaces for them like parallel port, pci, pcie, ethernet
[23:17:14] <Tom_itx> spi
[23:17:20] <Tom_itx> for a few
[23:17:52] <Tom_itx> depending on you needs there is likely a mesa board to meet them
[23:18:35] <Tom_itx> and alot more IO than you get on a parallel port
[23:19:37] <Wolf_> Tom_itx: what motor/control setup are you running on that mill?
[23:19:48] <surgy> well i only need 8 io pins using an arduino..... i dont know about the serial port method yet or even how that works...... does linux cnc handle all of that? or do i have to write some software to tell it which pin is which?
[23:19:54] <Wolf_> for the spindle
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[23:20:11] <Tom_itx> i'm using the stock sherline motor driver with some magic attached
[23:20:20] <Wolf_> lol
[23:20:24] <Wolf_> ok
[23:20:51] <Tom_itx> i added reversing relays and had to use an isolation board since their driver board floats GND
[23:24:24] <Wolf_> so http://www.ebay.com/itm/181855973794 + http://www.ebay.com/itm/220V-VARIABLE-FREQUENCY-DRIVE-INVERTER-VFD-1-5KW-2HP-7A-/180855426000 …is it that simple?
[23:27:21] <Tom_itx> for what mill?
[23:27:33] <Wolf_> x2 w/ R8
[23:27:50] <Tom_itx> i've not used a vfd so i dunno
[23:28:06] <Tom_itx> if i were gonna get one, i'd likely get a matched pair
[23:28:18] <Tom_itx> since i'm not that familiar with them
[23:28:34] <Wolf_> all I can find is spindle motors for routers
[23:28:42] <Wolf_> for matched sets
[23:28:50] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:29:07] <Tom_itx> that or maybe a good servo :)
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[23:31:38] <Wolf_> sewing machine servo motor? lol
[23:34:38] * JT-Shop made the pos case work for the gigabyte so it's time to call it a day
[23:34:56] <Wolf_> hmm http://www.ebay.com/itm/Industrial-Sewing-Machine-Servo-Motor-Brushless-750W-110V-/221896625867?hash=item33aa11cecb
[23:38:53] <kengu> mm..
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[23:41:23] <Tom_itx> that motor doesn't look that big but i dunno
[23:43:19] <Wolf_> nema42 frame
[23:43:50] <Wolf_> wonder if the controls are hackable :D
[23:45:21] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aNy9pgkyF0
[23:46:12] <Tom_itx> http://www.glockcnc.com/#!/Sherline-Spindle-Motors-Upgrade/c/8597972/offset=0&sort=normal
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[23:49:24] <Wolf_> yup, I think dude is selling sewing machine motors for 4x the original cost lol
[23:50:20] <Tom_itx> could be
[23:52:05] <Tom_itx> i'd love to have a 1400w one on mine
[23:52:48] <Tom_itx> 800 would probably be enough
[23:52:52] <Tom_itx> but better than stock
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[23:55:46] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Enduro-Pro-SM600-Industrial-Sewing-Machine-Energy-Saving-Servo-Motor-/160668981972?var=&hash=item25689e1ad4
[23:56:03] <Wolf_> might give you a idea where to look :)
[23:58:16] <Tom_itx> the problem is those aren't gonna be tapped for external control
[23:58:25] <Tom_itx> step/direction etc
[23:58:40] <Wolf_> i’m looking now to see if someone has hacked one