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[00:04:49] <CaptHindsight> http://paceperformance.com/i-8521477-gmp-467504l85e-edelbrock-gm-ls-416cid-702hp-with-4l85e-auto-trans-package.html $26398.88
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[00:18:17] <PetefromTn_> crazy right
[00:19:12] <CaptHindsight> comes turn-key and with a 2 year warranty
[00:19:53] <CaptHindsight> so I guess if you have the $ but not the skill you can just drop it in whatever project car
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[00:31:23] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/CGIWdk9
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[00:38:42] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: YOU GOT ME A NEW CAR?! TYVM
[00:39:19] <PetefromTn_> hell I am the one that needs a new car LOL
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[01:12:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.turnkeyenginesupply.com/turn-key-engine-lsx454kbbst-lsx-454ci-880-hp-turn-key-supercharged-engine-assembly-street/
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[01:18:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.steveschmidtracing.com/drag-racing-engines/new/705-the-hulk/dyno-chart MAX. TORQUE-1119.9 MAX. HORSEPOWER-1359.1
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[01:19:39] <CaptHindsight> 935 Billet Block Horsepower: 1900+
http://www.steveschmidtracing.com/drag-racing-engines/intimidator-series/935-intimidator
[01:24:17] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_:
http://www.steveschmidtracing.com/machine-shop check out their machine shop pricing
[01:25:13] <PetefromTn_> pretty reasonable I think no?
[01:25:20] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[01:25:44] <CaptHindsight> they have all the jigs
[01:25:59] <PetefromTn_> and machinery
[01:26:23] <CaptHindsight> so their setup time is minimal
[01:26:48] <zeeshan> automotive machine shops
[01:26:52] <zeeshan> are the scum of machine shops
[01:27:04] <PetefromTn_> the guys at the race shop came to me today and told me they want me to do that studding on two different 3 rotor cars
[01:27:05] <zeeshan> they didnt make it in the real world so they start their own shop and rip off ppl
[01:27:14] <zeeshan> this steve place looks good though (not talking about them)
[01:27:19] <zeeshan> (talking about local ones)
[01:27:32] <CaptHindsight> yeah, you need to find a good shop
[01:27:57] <zeeshan> honestly i learned from my first engine build
[01:28:07] <CaptHindsight> I take my heads to a guy I've known for 30 years
[01:28:10] <zeeshan> don't ever trust a machine shop
[01:28:16] <zeeshan> always do your measurements after you get things back
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[01:29:04] <PetefromTn_> watching all the cool cars and hot rods coming in and out of the shop lately has made me want to get another car to play with
[01:29:18] <zeeshan> money pit
[01:29:18] <zeeshan> :D
[01:29:28] <CaptHindsight> just going to say that
[01:29:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but....
[01:29:39] <PetefromTn_> I enjoyed it when I had one
[01:29:49] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: arent you hidding midlife
[01:29:52] <zeeshan> :D
[01:29:55] <zeeshan> hitting
[01:30:01] <PetefromTn_> eh who knows
[01:30:04] <zeeshan> hahaha
[01:30:05] <PetefromTn_> probably LOL
[01:30:07] <zeeshan> im just kidding man
[01:30:09] <PetefromTn_> I'm 45
[01:30:14] <PetefromTn_> not getting any younger
[01:30:15] <zeeshan> oh youre well past it
[01:30:24] <PetefromTn_> oh thanks azz LOL
[01:30:28] <zeeshan> hahah
[01:30:30] <zeeshan> iu didnt mean it like that!
[01:30:37] <zeeshan> i love cars
[01:30:39] <zeeshan> when theyre working right
[01:30:54] <PetefromTn_> ya know I have been thinking about what car I want lately to play with
[01:30:56] <malcom2073> Late life crisis?
[01:30:58] <malcom2073> ;)
[01:31:05] <PetefromTn_> and while the RX7s and miatas are nice
[01:31:18] <PetefromTn_> I really kinda miss my 1986 Fiero GT I had
[01:31:24] <jdh> I want a newer yukon xl
[01:31:28] <CaptHindsight> work on cars over 20 years old and it's not so fun
[01:31:35] <malcom2073> Stick a 5.7L v8 in the fiero :-D
[01:31:40] <CaptHindsight> nothing comes off easy
[01:31:52] <PetefromTn_> actually I want to put a 3800 turbo buick in it
[01:31:59] <malcom2073> Meh, not as fun, but still good
[01:32:08] <PetefromTn_> no actually its WAY MORE FUN
[01:32:15] <Wolf_Mill> all come out easy if you use a hot wrench :P
[01:32:36] <CaptHindsight> 1986? did they still make cars after 1973?
[01:32:42] <PetefromTn_> the big problem with the Fiero is finding a good one. most are junk or beat on nowadays
[01:32:49] <CaptHindsight> I lost track :)
[01:33:06] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah man they even made an 84
[01:33:25] <PetefromTn_> sorry but I just love that little car
[01:33:31] <PetefromTn_> had three of them now
[01:33:59] <CaptHindsight> I remember when they came out. The composite body was new
[01:34:13] <PetefromTn_> what sucks tho is that now that they are getting older/harder to find a decent one the guys who have them think they own a ferrari or something when it comes time to sell LOL
[01:35:25] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ4UXcfrARQ this is my speed ;)
[01:35:26] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_ , zeeshan , what was your first car?
[01:35:35] <zeeshan> mitsu eclipse
[01:35:36] <zeeshan> yours?
[01:36:09] <PetefromTn_> my first car was a brand new Pontiac Grand Am GT but I WANTED the Fiero GT but my mother would not let me LOL
[01:36:17] <Wolf_Mill> I so fucked up getting rid of my first car, sold it like 10-11 years ago, had it for 20...
[01:36:22] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: You should get that one fiero that came with the ferarri body kit
[01:36:54] <PetefromTn_> you mean a Mera?
[01:37:03] <CaptHindsight> http://tenwheel.com/imgs/a/b/l/l/y/1968_oldsmobile_cutlass_convertible_1_lgw.jpg, for $25 in not as good condition
[01:37:39] <malcom2073> Yeah
[01:37:42] <PetefromTn_> I crashed the shit out of my Grand am and then I got a 4 cylinder 1985 mustang LOL
[01:37:44] <Wolf_Mill> my first car was a '71 chevelle non SS but with the SS interier trim pack
[01:37:50] <CaptHindsight> took 6 quarts of trans fluid to get it to move :)
[01:37:54] <malcom2073> A buddy of mine has an actual 308 he's restoring heh
[01:38:35] <PetefromTn_> I think the 308 was actually a really beautiful car....at the time they were considered the poor mans ferrari but I always thought it was very nice
[01:39:28] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXWzYNHFrBw DROOL!!
[01:40:20] <CaptHindsight> I used to buy everyones old cars for <$50
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[01:40:45] <PetefromTn_> I never paid more than $1200 for my fiero's
[01:40:56] <CaptHindsight> and few donations
[01:41:03] <CaptHindsight> +a
[01:42:24] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/A5BvOJw This was my last 1986 GT it was needing a paint job but the car was really nice inside and ran beautiful
[01:42:37] <CaptHindsight> ~20 years ago Mustangs (73 and earlier) were easy to find for cheap in parts, since people would get in over their heads with a restoration project
[01:42:57] <CaptHindsight> I did a few but i was never a Ford fan
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[01:44:28] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: I used to restore Pontiacs
[01:44:46] <CaptHindsight> 1960-73
[01:44:57] <PetefromTn_> No more LOL
[01:45:14] <PetefromTn_> sucks they killed off Pontiac I think.
[01:45:26] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[01:45:28] <PetefromTn_> should have axed buick or oldsmobile LOL
[01:45:39] <CaptHindsight> should have been Buick
[01:45:50] <PetefromTn_> at least pontiac tried to make an interesting car once in awhile
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[01:48:38] <Contract_Pilot> Somewhat cleaned up my little shop
[01:49:09] <PetefromTn_> I really should be out in the shop tonight but I am tired today.
[01:49:38] <CaptHindsight> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/1966_black_Buick_Riviera_GS_front.JPG Buick had a few fun ones
[01:49:50] <Contract_Pilot> Was tempted to start the g0704 conversion but my fricken lathe is not done yet!
[01:50:03] <PetefromTn_> sure
[01:50:13] <PetefromTn_> and the GNX of course :D
[01:50:16] <zeeshan> gnx win
[01:51:16] <Contract_Pilot> 6 downloads last night of the ISO befor i woke up and change the pass. I do not see anyone sharing. Leaches
[01:52:01] <CaptHindsight> GNX sounds like a smog motor powered car from the 80's :)
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[01:53:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah just a ground pounding V6 Turbo smog car LOL
[01:53:10] <CaptHindsight> http://images.classiccars.com/classifieds/461027_16053712_1970_Buick_GNX.jpg this is real car
[01:53:21] <Contract_Pilot> Road Kill
[01:53:28] <PetefromTn_> yup REAL HEAVY LOL
[01:53:43] <PetefromTn_> just kidding
[01:53:48] <PetefromTn_> I like old muscle cars too
[01:53:49] <CaptHindsight> nah just under 3800lbs :)
[01:53:55] <PetefromTn_> oh is that all?
[01:54:18] <PetefromTn_> I think that 500HP miata today was probably under 2300 lbs maybe
[01:55:18] <CaptHindsight> the 1970 with the 455 was ~4k lbs
[01:56:15] <CaptHindsight> the real boats were the Cuda's, Challengers, Chargers
[01:57:07] <PetefromTn_> that is like what my Bronco weighed almost LOL
[01:58:25] <CaptHindsight> http://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/16087/16087_Side_Profile_Web.jpg your Fiero could fit in the trunk
[01:59:08] <PetefromTn_> my brother had a Coronet
[01:59:15] <PetefromTn_> he was fixing it up
[01:59:26] <PetefromTn_> but had to sell it when he started having kids
[01:59:32] <PetefromTn_> that is a BIG CAR
[02:01:09] <CaptHindsight> my biggest was a 73 olds 98 4 door
[02:01:22] <CaptHindsight> we turned it into a sleeper
[02:02:04] <CaptHindsight> used to do 1/4 mile burnouts until the tires were flat
[02:02:45] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[02:02:52] <PetefromTn_> when I lived down in Florida
[02:02:58] <PetefromTn_> we had a couple of redneck neighbors
[02:03:04] <PetefromTn_> two brothers
[02:03:15] <PetefromTn_> all they did when they were not working is work on their hotrods
[02:03:30] <PetefromTn_> one of them had a really quite nice Formula Firebird
[02:03:42] <CaptHindsight> http://momentcar.com/images/oldsmobile-ninetyeight-regency-1.jpg I'm not sure how it made corners
[02:03:45] <PetefromTn_> and it had a 468 big block that was pretty built
[02:04:03] <CaptHindsight> recall the year?
[02:04:08] <PetefromTn_> one day he come by the house
[02:04:18] <PetefromTn_> and was idling in the street in front of my house
[02:04:24] <CaptHindsight> 67-69 or 70+
[02:04:27] <PetefromTn_> it was so loud we came outside to see what the hell it was
[02:04:50] <PetefromTn_> and he smiled at us and left black marks all the way down the street that was probably about a quarter mile long LOL
[02:05:03] <PetefromTn_> no it was later than that
[02:05:18] <PetefromTn_> more like the bandit but slightly earlier
[02:05:48] * furrywolf flops over exhausted
[02:06:51] <PetefromTn_> http://images.carklub.com/a/63/i190429607963.jpg kinda like this one...only more pro streeted
[02:08:31] <CaptHindsight> 72-74
[02:08:45] <CaptHindsight> not 74
[02:08:52] <CaptHindsight> 71-73
[02:09:41] * furrywolf generally finds overly shiny and lowered cars extremely unattractive.
[02:09:54] <furrywolf> and ugly rims too!
[02:10:54] <PetefromTn_> http://clarksville.craigslist.org/cto/5211347311.html This is not too bad but I don't have 3k right now :(
[02:11:17] <furrywolf> heh, I need to repaint some rims... I got a set of rusty rims to put on my new subaru, but decided the rust is going to be way too much work to take off with a flap wheel... going to try calling around to see what I can get them sandblasted for. (real sandblasting, not expensive beadblasting crap)
[02:12:00] <furrywolf> only thing I know about fieros is apparantly they live up to their name and randomly catch fire. :)
[02:12:04] * SpeedEvil ponders posting the laser-derusting thing again.
[02:12:09] <SpeedEvil> LASER
[02:12:26] <furrywolf> "bam bam"? guns?
[02:12:47] <PetefromTn_> yup they did when they first came out
[02:13:02] <PetefromTn_> like a lot of other mid and rear engine cars have
[02:13:21] * furrywolf can't think what else "bam bam" would be, but also can't think why they wouldn't just say guns like everyone else.
[02:13:42] <PetefromTn_> but once they changed the engine venting and switched to the v6 it basically stopped unless there was neglect involved
[02:15:37] <furrywolf> unless it's sex. lol
[02:16:14] <CaptHindsight> http://momentcar.com/images/pontiac-tempest-1966-13.jpg I thought about making one of these with some modern parts for a summer daily driver
[02:18:21] <jdh> things with 'gun' get deleted on cl
[02:19:20] <furrywolf> ... not that I've noticed.
[02:19:56] <CaptHindsight> spray gun, potato gun
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[02:21:26] <furrywolf> must be a non-liberal area. heh.
[02:21:29] <CaptHindsight> and nail seem fine
[02:24:50] <furrywolf> hrmm, don't see a lot of gun-related things on the local craigslist at the moment. a couple people with brass for reloading, and a 22 automag with clips and a pile of ammo....
[02:25:02] <Praesmeodymium> odd concept I mean I live in a state where I can get a handgun in 15 minutes
[02:25:35] <CaptHindsight> Praesmeodymium: do you even have to get out of your car?
[02:25:52] <furrywolf> there's guns and related on craigslist fairly often here
[02:26:00] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQnWxN9_qw Hehe not bad
[02:26:01] <Praesmeodymium> yeah to show em your ldrivers license for the "background check"
[02:26:06] <furrywolf> but, this is redneck area.
[02:26:45] <furrywolf> background check? that's why you buy off craigslist. :P
[02:27:33] <Praesmeodymium> just saying I couldnt see the craigslist for portland being censored with oregons gun laws being so liberal
[02:27:48] <furrywolf> the laws here (california) are fairly ridiculous, so everyone just buys/sells under the table. yay government.
[02:28:38] <furrywolf> when I think of portland, I think of hipsters wearing t-shirts with "ironic" slogans while listening to altrock and bragging on how no one else recognizes the name of the band.
[02:28:42] <furrywolf> not gun owners.
[02:28:50] <Praesmeodymium> I know right
[02:29:52] <furrywolf> kinda like austin... not actually part of the parent state. :P
[02:30:08] <Praesmeodymium> I totally fit the hipster bill except... i'm a towny and dont casre if you like or have heard of the music I listen too, which I admit is crap
[02:30:23] <PetefromTn_> heh
[02:30:25] <Praesmeodymium> yeah a blue spot in an otherwise red state
[02:30:29] <roycroft> firearm sales are not permitted on cl at all, anywhere
[02:30:36] <roycroft> and you cannot call it censorship
[02:30:46] <roycroft> because it has nothing to do with censorship
[02:30:48] <furrywolf> roycroft: did you know that's what permitted and what happens are not the same thing?
[02:30:50] <roycroft> it's craigslist poilcy
[02:30:55] <roycroft> policy
[02:31:08] <roycroft> censorship would be government imposed restrictions
[02:31:16] <furrywolf> there is no one at craigslist who enforces policies. instead, posts are removed through community flagging. if the local community doesn't find anything wrong with the posts....
[02:31:18] <roycroft> you should know by now that i'm not a moron, furrywolf
[02:31:34] <furrywolf> no, I don't know that, because you're arguing semantics again. :P
[02:31:53] * furrywolf didn't see anyone even mention censorship
[02:32:02] <Praesmeodymium> heh I was about to apologize for slightly wrong word use then thought fuck it
[02:32:05] <Praesmeodymium> I did
[02:32:16] <furrywolf> ah, yep, you didn't.
[02:32:22] <furrywolf> did
[02:32:22] <furrywolf> lol
[02:32:26] * furrywolf is exhausted
[02:32:29] <roycroft> demagoguery is built on a foundation of semantics
[02:32:43] <roycroft> so if you're going to be dogmatic expect semantic arguments
[02:32:56] <Praesmeodymium> not gonna even play the game of lexiconal vs living linguistics
[02:33:06] <furrywolf> in any case, it's decided by the local community. apparantly the community there flags posts that even mention guns. here there's someone selling a 22 automag with clips and ammo.
[02:33:10] <PetefromTn_> I got a nice brand new Remington tactical on layaway at the local gunshop.. Gotta go make another payment LOL
[02:33:23] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: see if he'll take payment in rails.
[02:33:32] <PetefromTn_> doubt it
[02:33:36] <roycroft> someone mentioned cl and censorship
[02:33:38] <PetefromTn_> unless he is an airgun junkie
[02:33:39] <furrywolf> dunno, gun shop might like them.
[02:33:42] <roycroft> which prompted my response
[02:34:23] <furrywolf> I thought you also made rails for real guns?
[02:35:26] * roycroft just got back from the home improvement center, where he had to deal with a true moron who tried to refuse to sell him some wire
[02:35:40] <furrywolf> heh, reading the local news, rear-end collision earlier today...
http://lostcoastoutpost.com/media/cache/d1/f7/d1f7c7defa7e4d443582bbe7f0f07517.jpg http://lostcoastoutpost.com/media/cache/1c/5c/1c5cfcdd502b10bbca6fd37e7b6dbbc4.jpg now there's an argument for driving a truck.
[02:35:41] <roycroft> i asked for some 16ga thhn and he asked me what i was using it for
[02:35:51] <roycroft> i told him for a control panel
[02:36:00] <roycroft> he asked how many amps the panel would draw
[02:36:03] <roycroft> and i told him 15
[02:36:13] <roycroft> and he told me he could not sell me that wire, and that i had to use 14ga
[02:36:23] <roycroft> i told him to consult the nec
[02:36:40] <furrywolf> there's quite a disparity in those images.
[02:36:46] <roycroft> where he would find that wire gauge is derated one size as soon as you put it in conduit
[02:36:52] <roycroft> and that i would be using 14ga if it were in a conduit
[02:37:24] <roycroft> he was rather insistent though, and i had to threaten to get a manager to sell me what i wanted
[02:37:30] <furrywolf> lol
[02:37:42] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: he's wrong and bit controlling
[02:37:54] <roycroft> i can see where he's coming from
[02:38:00] <furrywolf> I tried getting the manager at the local hardware store to advise me on wire and breaker sizes for my mill, but he didn't help.
[02:38:02] <roycroft> a lot of idiots try to do things they should not do
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[02:38:15] <roycroft> and part of his job is to "guide" people to getting the correct products
[02:38:19] <CaptHindsight> unless he was told to upsell at the sales meeting :)
[02:38:28] <PetefromTn_> hey I'm one of those idiots!
[02:38:33] <furrywolf> I wanted to know how many amps 4hp at 240v 3ph will make a 5hp rotary converter pull. he didn't know! :P
[02:38:33] <roycroft> but the instant i told him to consult the nec about wire sizes in panels he should have shut up
[02:38:49] <roycroft> it would have been a no sale, not an upsale
[02:39:12] <roycroft> i don't use wire larger than is needed in these types of applications, because it's harder to work with
[02:39:26] <roycroft> i need some pieces that are only about 5cm long
[02:39:49] <roycroft> there's a big difference between 14ga and 16ga when you're cutting the wire that short and bending it
[02:41:17] <roycroft> when a customer says "i need some wire to hook this thing up, and i want the cheapest wire i can get" it's time to ask questions and get them what they need
[02:41:43] <roycroft> when a customer says "i need 15 feet of red and white stranded thhn" you say "ok", and cut the wire
[02:41:49] <furrywolf> the local hardware store generally has knowledgable staff.
[02:42:17] <furrywolf> did you go to a proper hardware store, or a big box chain?
[02:42:25] <roycroft> i avoid the big box chains
[02:42:37] <roycroft> it's a locally owned store, and the folks who work there are generally clueful
[02:42:42] <roycroft> this guy was semi-clueful
[02:43:09] <roycroft> he knows 10ga/30a 12ga/20a 14ga/15a, i'm sure
[02:43:14] <roycroft> which is why he argued
[02:43:49] <roycroft> but he does not know that there are different specifications for wire inside an enclosure with a lot of air space vs. in a conduit
[02:44:19] <roycroft> it's the semi-clueful that are the scary ones
[02:44:42] <furrywolf> hrmm, on that fiero, one of the things he'll said he'll take as trade is "zero"... the only definition I can find googling for zero is opium. lol
[02:44:43] <roycroft> the complete idiots either just do what you want or they act so stupid you just laugh at them
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[02:47:07] <furrywolf> opium is one thing I've never seen sold nor requested on the local craigslist... opium poppies, but not opium. it's not very popular around here.
[02:47:16] <furrywolf> weed in all its forms and meth are popular here.
[02:48:27] <furrywolf> and heroin
[02:48:34] <furrywolf> and you occasionally see people selling oxys...
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[02:50:32] <furrywolf> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/25/us_court_rules_phone_passcodes_are_protected_by_the_fifth_amendment/ there is NO WAY that's not getting overturned.
[02:50:48] <furrywolf> that's way, way too sensible.
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[02:53:53] <PetefromTn_> I need to find a source for some 1095 tool steel flat bar or some 440 stainless bar that is reasonable
[02:54:18] <PetefromTn_> this guy wants me to machine some survival type knife blanks for him
[02:54:24] <Connor> https://www.speedymetals.com/
[02:55:23] <furrywolf> read up on proper survival knives... most of them are stupid ugly showy things that aren't nearly as useful as they could be in an actual survival situation.
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[02:55:47] <PetefromTn_> I could not care less LOL
[02:56:03] <PetefromTn_> I just need to get a material quote going and give him a price.
[02:56:08] <Connor> Well.. crud... they don't have 1095 or 440...
[02:56:14] <PetefromTn_> Connor they do not appear to have any of that
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[02:57:07] * furrywolf cares about making good products
[02:58:01] <PetefromTn_> is that to imply that I do not?
[02:58:31] <furrywolf> <PetefromTn_> I could not care less LOL
[02:59:03] <PetefromTn_> and?
[02:59:23] <furrywolf> I don't need to imply things explicitly stated. :P
[02:59:53] <PetefromTn_> just because I don't care about what makes a proper survival knife does not mean I do not care about quality
[03:00:07] <PetefromTn_> the customer came to me with a knife design he wants recreated
[03:00:19] <PetefromTn_> It is not my job to determine if it is a GOOD design or not
[03:00:36] <PetefromTn_> all I have to do is recreate it out of quality materials
[03:00:49] <PetefromTn_> and try to make a good deal on the job
[03:01:45] <PetefromTn_> at this point I am not even sure if I WANT to do it or not... cutting tool steel blanks is not gonna be exactly a quick thing
[03:02:10] <PetefromTn_> apparently the original knife design is worth quite a bit of money and they want to start producing recreations
[03:02:53] <PetefromTn_> it was supposedly featured on some survival show and garnered a lot of attention from it
[03:03:22] <furrywolf> lol
[03:04:32] <furrywolf> does he want you to do the primary bevel too?
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[03:04:44] <PetefromTn_> no no beveling at all
[03:04:55] <PetefromTn_> just cutting out the blanks and handles
[03:04:57] <furrywolf> so he just wants a flat strip of steel? that's not too bad.
[03:05:04] <PetefromTn_> no its not
[03:05:36] <PetefromTn_> but I doubt there is a lot of money in that due to the time involved compared to the overall cost
[03:05:46] <furrywolf> time to buy that waterjet you've always not wanted? :P
[03:05:54] <PetefromTn_> heh
[03:05:58] <PetefromTn_> no thanks
[03:06:09] <PetefromTn_> besides I could not fit in my shop
[03:07:18] <PetefromTn_> best price I found online for a blank of that 440c is like $45
[03:07:59] <PetefromTn_> I can get a 2" x36" for like $80
[03:08:13] <furrywolf> I have a piece of steel in my greenhouse that would make a few nice knives. I have no idea what it is. it's about 3ft by 3in by .250. I got it at the scrapyard with some other metal strip that I was cutting up to make gussets.
[03:08:53] <PetefromTn_> if you are not sure of the material it is not gonna be worth too much
[03:08:58] <furrywolf> I went to cut it with the sawzall... nothing happened. I figured I just had a dull blade, got a new one... nothing happened. instantly stripped the teeth off the blade. I then tried making a ding it with the corner of a file... nothing happened. except it took the teeth off the file!!
[03:09:24] <PetefromTn_> huh
[03:09:36] <PetefromTn_> well I gotta get to bed. have a good night folks
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[03:10:02] <furrywolf> whatever it is, it's HARD.
[03:10:03] <furrywolf> cyas
[03:10:10] <Tom_itx> brittle?
[03:10:17] <Tom_itx> or just tough
[03:10:39] <furrywolf> it doesn't seem brittle, since it's a bit springy... but it's harder than a file.
[03:11:26] <furrywolf> it's much tougher than mild steel, in that you can apply bending forces that would easily deform a same-size piece of mild steel, and it doesn't deform.
[03:11:53] <furrywolf> it took the teeth off a brand new bimetal sawzall blade without even nicking the edge.
[03:12:43] <furrywolf> I tucked it away in the greenhouse so it wouldn't get rustier in my outside junk metal pile... one of these days it'll be a knife or some parallels or something.
[03:13:48] <Contract_Pilot> Aggg cali customers hate disassembling Magazines.
[03:14:54] <furrywolf> I was playing around in my head the other day with a design for a multifolding machette... decided it was doable but would take a lot of work.
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[03:16:36] <Wolf_> “repair kits” Contract_Pilot? :D
[03:16:39] <furrywolf> a machette designed to be carried in a pack backpacking or kept in a survival kit, with a full-length blade. making a strong seamless hinge mechanism isn't as easy as it might sound.
[03:17:35] <Contract_Pilot> I guess
[03:18:01] <Contract_Pilot> Send the body Spring and Follower in 1 package Floor Plates In Another.
[03:18:49] <Contract_Pilot> Just do not send it all in one box
[03:19:33] <furrywolf> lol
[03:22:57] <furrywolf> interstate trafficing in high-capacity mags? :P
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[03:23:32] <Wolf_> if its not in one box assembled its a parts kit
[03:24:52] <Wolf_> have to do the same bullshit in maryland, except they are legal to own here, just can’t buy/sell/transfer/assemble them inside the state
[03:25:12] <furrywolf> pack a sheet of paper with real estate listings in new hampshire with every mag, as a suggestion for your customers to improve their lives.
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[03:40:53] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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[05:54:36] <sector_0> hey guys
[05:54:55] <sector_0> I wanted to build a corexy machine for light milling
[05:55:22] <sector_0> the inspiration came from this
[05:55:23] <sector_0> http://corexy.com/corexyr1/index.html
[05:56:01] <sector_0> but when I milled my parts I didn't include connect the 2 y axis carriages
[05:56:40] <sector_0> I'm trying to connect 2 bars to synchronize the y axis carriage and remove the slop
[05:56:52] <sector_0> can I use JB Weld to attach this?
[05:57:26] <sector_0> the carriages are about 300cm (12 inches) apart
[05:57:52] <sector_0> I'm wondering if JB Weld will hold up to the torque
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[06:05:55] <sadara> I have pretty much decided on a hardware setup for my next project (low cost multi channel servo/stepper drives with intergrated CNC controller)
[06:06:43] <sadara> an altera FPGA SoC with dual cortex-a9 cores, so there may be the possibility of running emc/machinekit on it
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[06:47:31] <Deejay> moin
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[07:56:14] <Mac_VMC> hi Deejay
[07:56:43] <Mac_VMC> if anyone is bored, and has a few minutes. please take a look
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/29681-allen-bradley-vfd-spindle-control#62968
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[08:37:03] <Contract_Pilot> Quiet
[08:53:11] <fenn> can't be arsed to register to see some forum attachments
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[09:00:02] <fenn> Mac_VMC: make sure motion.spindle-speed-out is connected to something
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[09:08:51] <fenn> oh wow i am registered from 9 years ago
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[09:12:21] <fenn> this is so complicated... you don't need PID to control a spindle
[09:17:43] <fenn> i want to say just do "net motion.spindle-speed-out hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout4" and delete the rest of that crap
[09:18:04] <fenn> but spindle-at-speed is kinda useful so keep that
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[09:21:16] <fenn> in summary, i have no idea why your spindle doesn't move
[09:22:06] <fenn> Mac_VMC: what is "VFD-direct interface"? is that modbus, or setting the hal pin directly, or attaching a battery to the VFD or what?
[09:27:02] <fenn> also you could make sure that the hal stuff is behaving by typing in a terminal "halcmd show pin | grep spindle"
[09:28:42] <XXCoder> split so many rings
[09:29:09] <XXCoder> Sauron would cry
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[10:05:08] <Sync> Mac_VMC: as I said yesterday, did you try to manually set the output voltage on the card?
[10:13:44] <jthornton> damn 0.2 away from breaking the 200 barrier
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[10:17:45] <XXCoder> what 200 barrier?
[10:18:34] <jthornton> gravitational attraction to the earth
[10:19:35] <Jymmm> jthornton: just run backwards
[10:19:58] <malcom2073> Nothing repulses attraction like running backwards
[10:21:58] <XXCoder> no, run backwards to gain mass
[10:22:04] <XXCoder> go forwards to lose mass
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[10:22:49] <XXCoder> run sideways to gain strength without mass change
[10:23:04] <jthornton> move to the moon
[10:23:55] <Jymmm> jthornton: Can't do that Dave, the O2 air (outter space) transport hazmat fees will kill ya
[10:24:14] <malcom2073> Run like Seagal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkskuSXqUD0
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[11:17:15] <fenn> how hard is it to make an autocollimator? i mean come on, it's like some mirrors and glue and a laser pointer right?
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[11:17:59] <fenn> i was going to buy a fancy straightedge to do straightness sanity checks but i'd rather rely on something less arbitrary
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[11:21:11] * fenn is reading "foundations of mechanical accuracy"
[11:29:08] <fenn> moore is obsessed with double V-grooves, but never addresses the problems of kinematic overconstraint it introduces and the insane tedium of all that lapping and checking bearing masters and inverted masters and lapping masters
[11:29:49] <fenn> the whole process would be simpler if they just used a simpler way geometry
[11:30:03] <fenn> ideally just two flat surfaces
[11:30:13] <malcom2073> Tedium?? TEDIUM?!? There's no BOREDOM in lapping!
[11:31:58] <XXCoder> fenn: better than splitting 190 rings
[11:32:17] <XXCoder> and I got 110 to look forward to tomorrow. in least its overtime yay lol
[11:32:24] <fenn> i don't even know what that means
[11:33:02] <XXCoder> fenn: not very complex, just cut ring into 2 arcs. like lots other parts its not clear what its used for. lol
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[12:17:09] <fenn> cool old books
http://www.evenfallstudios.com/woodworks_library/woodworks_library.html
[12:17:48] <fenn> more necessary now that lindsay books went kaput
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[12:26:39] <rootB_i> Hey linux CNC
[12:26:43] <rootB_i> where can i get tis screw for cheap
[12:26:51] <rootB_i> M5 x 20mm BHCS
[12:27:17] <Wolf_> cheap or soon?
[12:27:22] <rootB_i> well
[12:27:26] <rootB_i> useful with nice tolerance
[12:27:30] <rootB_i> im trying to rebuild my shapeoko
[12:27:40] <rootB_i> and i was using non BHCS screws so that brought me trouble
[12:27:42] <Wolf_> try mcmaster
[12:27:55] <rootB_i> mcmaster thinks im a terrorist and wont ship me..
[12:28:05] <Wolf_> oh
[12:28:15] <Wolf_> fastenal
[12:28:28] <rootB_i> does that happens often
[12:28:47] <Wolf_> no idea
[12:29:35] <rootB_i> i could buy them from inventables
[12:29:40] <rootB_i> but everything there is too fucking expensive
[12:29:51] <rootB_i> so im making a sacrifice buying the stuff i need from them already.. which is delrin wheels.
[12:30:06] <rootB_i> Im starting to think that rebuilding this CNC might be a mistake and that im better off buying a new one
[12:37:30] <rootB_i> what do you think inuxCNC
[12:39:23] <fenn> i think the shapeoko looks like crap
[12:39:59] <rootB_i> wel... yeah..
[12:40:25] <rootB_i> I want to use it as a CNC, but i gusess it only works as a good CNC
[12:40:31] <rootB_i> got any recommendations of what else i can buy fenn?
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[12:41:55] <rootB_i> I'm all ears
[12:42:03] <fenn> what is your location, what are your goals and resources
[12:42:18] <fenn> do you want to make foam airplanes or cast iron blocks
[12:42:42] <fenn> or stainless steel blobs
[12:43:18] <rootB_i> well I can't make stainless steel stuff, CNC's of that grade are 50K+ USD
[12:43:20] <rootB_i> I live in Mxico
[12:43:26] <rootB_i> Mexico
[12:43:33] <rootB_i> I want to do wood stuff-Aluminium, etc.
[12:43:48] <fenn> are there used machine tools available around your area?
[12:44:11] <rootB_i> probably not, fenn stuff here gets re used to a point that it'll scare you
[12:44:37] <fenn> hm wood and aluminum, i guess you should fix the shapeoko then
[12:44:45] <rootB_i> Acrylic
[12:44:46] <rootB_i> etc
[12:45:08] <rootB_i> What's the cheapest entry tier machine for stainless steel-cast iron?
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[12:45:57] <fenn> depends where you are; in the midwest or east cost USA you can get huge old WW2 milling machines for scrap price ($1-2k)
[12:45:58] <Wolf_> I wouldnt go smaller then a sieg x2 type (solid column preferred)
[12:46:07] <fenn> east coast*
[12:46:58] <rootB_i> dAMN
[12:47:04] <rootB_i> What about any CNC options?
[12:47:10] <rootB_i> i suppose that'll shoot up the price to 10k right?
[12:47:30] <Wolf_> 600-$800 maybe
[12:47:37] <Wolf_> tooling is what kills you
[12:47:47] <rootB_i> bits are expensive?
[12:48:24] <Wolf_> bits, holders, drills, hold downs, setup stuff, measuring gear, misc junk
[12:48:49] <rootB_i> I see
[12:48:53] <rootB_i> so that's around 1k i suppose
[12:49:09] <rootB_i> SO to get started in the stainless steel-cast iron is around 5k or so?
[12:49:55] <fenn> i've never actually added it all up
[12:50:03] <Wolf_> you can do it cheaper, there are ways to work around not having everything
[12:50:25] <rootB_i> I see
[12:50:38] <fenn> you can gear down underpowered motors and that reduces the cost of the whole CNC system, but it will be slow and annoying to use
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[12:51:23] <Wolf_> run program, nap
[12:51:39] <fenn> there are a lot of ways to put "sweat equity" into cheap chinese tools to improve them
[12:51:44] <fenn> as wolf is learning :)
[12:52:05] <Wolf_> lol, by the time I’m done, i’m going to have 2 mills
[12:52:15] <fenn> it's a reprap!
[12:52:35] <fenn> repslap, a replicating slow prototyper
[12:52:42] <fenn> slop
[12:53:01] <rootB_i> wait that sieg looks awful like a machine ive seen on harbor freight
[12:53:14] <fenn> yes same design different level of quality control
[12:53:15] <Wolf_> right now I’m looking at cad screen on the other computer trying to figure out how the hell i’m going to make this x axis bearing block
[12:53:28] <Wolf_> rootB_i: thats cause it is
[12:53:56] <Wolf_> but they make like 5 different x2 variants
[12:54:06] <rootB_i> you got a link to the "proper version"
[12:54:12] <rootB_i> the one that wont murder me with a lose screw?
[12:54:56] <ganzuul> Acetal is expensive. :(
[12:55:30] <rootB_i> im checkingo ut prices to see how much I have to save
[12:55:53] <Topy44> hi
[12:56:07] <Topy44> i need something that looks roughly like this:
http://dump.t44.org/2015-09-25_14-54-54.png
[12:56:12] <ganzuul> My Sieg hasn't murdered me yet.
[12:56:14] <Topy44> about 3-4mm diameter
[12:56:19] <Topy44> with a round recess
[12:56:36] <Topy44> i have no idea if such a part exists or what it might be used for if it does :)
[12:57:21] <rootB_i> i suppose an option like tornarch
[12:57:25] <rootB_i> is off the budget right
[12:57:33] <Wolf_> lol
[12:58:24] <fenn> i guess you are referring to the adjustable column angle
[12:58:26] <Wolf_> their tool holder concept is sound, think the machine is over hyped/priced maybe
[12:58:46] <rootB_i> man
[12:58:48] <fenn> http://littlemachineshop.com/info/minimill_compare.php
[12:58:53] <rootB_i> all this is ounding like its going to throw me down the street
[12:59:02] <malcom2073> Machine tools usually do heh
[12:59:05] <rootB_i> oh thanks, fenn
[12:59:36] <fenn> yep i've been reading for the past month about how to build machine tools because they don't appear on craigslist around here
[12:59:51] <ganzuul> Topy44: That shape could possibly be found in rubber, somewhere.
[12:59:56] <rootB_i> the closest craiglist i have is san diego
[12:59:57] <Wolf_> malcom2073: get your mill running yet? :P
[13:00:01] <rootB_i> and arizona
[13:00:04] <Topy44> ganzuul: ah, it should be metal
[13:00:08] <Topy44> steel or brass
[13:00:27] <malcom2073> Wolf_: Nope, waiting on adapter plates, and I have to make 2 more aluminum sleeves
[13:00:32] <fenn> so i'm thinking about using concrete castings and granite plates in clever ways
[13:01:19] <ganzuul> Topy44: how exactly round should the recess be?
[13:01:21] <Wolf_> man this x1 is gonna hate me…
[13:01:35] <rootB_i> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/bfs/5237755594.html
[13:02:05] <fenn> that's too much machine for you anyway
[13:02:26] <Topy44> ganzuul: it doesn't actually matter much. essentially it will be pressed into 3d printed plastic and is there to keep an adjustment screw from slipping away. or something like that. its really hard to explain :)
[13:02:41] <Wolf_> I need to make a 22mm x 25mm part, all I have is 1.5” x4” x 12” alum bar stock
[13:02:50] <Topy44> it would be trivial to make a part like that myself, but i need something i can buy in quantity
[13:02:52] <fenn> "Machine is located in Minnesota" wtf are they doing advertising on phoenix craigslist then
[13:02:55] <malcom2073> Wolf_: Bandsaw
[13:02:58] <Topy44> but the exact shape doesn't actually matter
[13:03:24] <Wolf_> yeah, thats a lot of bandsaw time too lol
[13:03:41] <malcom2073> horizontal bandsaw :P
[13:03:49] <Wolf_> thats what I have
[13:03:50] <malcom2073> Set it and forget it
[13:04:06] <fenn> that's not a lot of bandsaw time, you have a giant bastard bandsaw
[13:04:15] <ganzuul> Topy44: Where in the world are you located?
[13:04:24] <Wolf_> that alum doesn’t cut that fast
[13:04:27] <Topy44> germany, why?
[13:04:31] <ganzuul> hm
[13:04:53] <ganzuul> I could make this.
[13:04:59] <fenn> turn it so the skinny side is up and down, to maximize pressure on the cut
[13:05:12] <Wolf_> I know how to use the saw lol
[13:05:21] <Topy44> well i could make this too. :) but it should really be a commodity part, as the design should be reproducible
[13:05:42] <Topy44> i need to find something preexisting that works
[13:05:51] <Wolf_> that thing has had about 4000lbs of steel through it already
[13:06:37] <malcom2073> Maybe you need the blade replaced?
[13:07:00] <Wolf_> new blade in it
[13:07:20] <Wolf_> but the blades I get are for steel
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[13:09:44] <fenn> Topy44: how about using a socket head screw head
[13:10:09] <ganzuul> oh
[13:10:19] <Wolf_> 90% of the stuff that we cut here is c channel or square tube so I’m running 12/14 bimetal blades
[13:10:22] <Topy44> fenn: i thought about that actually
[13:11:01] <Wolf_> oops, 10/14 in the saw right now, 6-10 on the shelf
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[13:11:49] <rootB_i> THANK YOU lINUXcnc
[13:11:57] <rootB_i> Now im understand the complex world of CNC machining.
[13:13:41] <malcom2073> Share your knowlege, because I still don't understand it heh
[13:13:45] * ganzuul tries to eat rootB_i's brain to gain his understanding
[13:13:55] <Wolf_> lol
[13:14:35] <rootB_i> this is literally the indusry of
[13:14:40] <rootB_i> "you get what you pay for"
[13:15:17] <Wolf_> to a point, pretty much, you can make do with cheap on somethings
[13:15:34] <malcom2073> And sometimes you can find good deals
[13:15:52] <_methods> auctions are your friend in this world
[13:16:43] <ganzuul> And moly lube too.
[13:16:48] <_methods> hahah
[13:16:51] <_methods> not that new shit
[13:16:57] <fenn> superlube
[13:17:00] <_methods> the old moly lube yes
[13:17:09] <fenn> black nasty stuff
[13:17:23] <fenn> my parents used to put it on my bike chain
[13:17:26] <malcom2073> Nonsense, Vactra!
[13:17:52] <_methods> anchor lube
[13:19:27] <Wolf_> I meant to order a sample of anchor lube (you all know they send out samples right?)
[13:19:56] <_methods> don't need samples when you have 1 gal bottles of it lol
[13:20:14] <Wolf_> lol
[13:22:25] <_methods> man i thought that episode of black mirror was just a joke
[13:22:29] <rootB_i> it takes me around 200 dollars
[13:22:34] <rootB_i> to rebuld my shapeoko
[13:22:39] <rootB_i> on mechanical parts
[13:22:43] <_methods> now i find out the PM is a porcine copulator
[13:22:54] <rootB_i> now i gotta see which driver to get and limit switches
[13:23:47] <fenn> rootB_i: you could make the wheels fairly easily out of delrin stock
[13:24:03] <rootB_i> i got no tools to get it machined
[13:24:15] <fenn> drill a hole for a bolt, grip the bolt in a power drill and machine it with a chisel
[13:24:30] <fenn> so-called "afghan lathe"
[13:24:46] <Wolf_> simple lathe is a easy build
[13:25:07] <fenn> yeah for bonus points make a lathe
[13:25:40] <fenn> it will be more useful than the shapeoko i bet
[13:26:28] <rootB_i> lol
[13:26:43] <fenn> there's nothing special about delrin either, it's just especially easy to machine
[13:26:57] <fenn> you can use cutting boards
[13:27:18] <Wolf_> cutting boards are HDPE I think
[13:27:31] <fenn> yes, of varying grades
[13:28:06] <fenn> shapeoko is aluminum V rails, so you can't run anything harder than aluminum or it will destroy the rails
[13:28:10] <Wolf_> I’ve used a few to make parts lol
[13:28:31] <rootB_i> fenn, Im aware of that
[13:28:50] <Wolf_> cutting boards that is, not the shapeoko
[13:29:04] <fenn> PVC is a little bit harder than HDPE
[13:29:27] <fenn> but higher friction
[13:30:01] <Wolf_> I bet the wheels are on bearings so that really shouldn’t matter
[13:31:11] <Wolf_> I have a i3v printer that uses the v slot extrude
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[13:32:31] <rootB_i> well
[13:32:36] <rootB_i> I'll see how i can start fixing my shapeoko
[13:32:41] <rootB_i> its a little bit late so i gotta get ready for work
[13:32:49] <rootB_i> at least its not going to be godly expensive
[13:32:56] <rootB_i> I already go the drivers
[13:33:06] <rootB_i> they're the little chinese black boxes from Ebay, not the blue card.
[13:33:18] <fenn> you might also try making sliding bearings from cutting boards instead of wheels
[13:33:48] <fenn> i'm not sure which is worse
[13:33:54] <rootB_i> lol
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[13:34:12] <rootB_i> don't 3d printers use sliding bearings
[13:34:20] <rootB_i> well 3d printings dont have to go thru all the stress
[13:35:03] <Wolf_> most use ball race linear, some use v grove wheels
[13:35:39] <rootB_i> But i mean, isn't that ok since it's a 3d priner
[13:35:43] <rootB_i> or it should use screws and all?
[13:35:53] <rootB_i> even the 3D system ones use bearings
[13:35:57] <rootB_i> i've take a look at them on expos
[13:36:05] <Wolf_> drive is belts on most printers
[13:36:26] <Wolf_> fast, no side load
[13:36:56] <malcom2073> If you use screws for X and Y, you need a high pitch screw
[13:37:03] <malcom2073> I have low pitch screws, and let me tell you, they have to spin REALLY fast
[13:39:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shapeoko.com/ but but but the website says "The Best CNC Machine in its Class. Period."
[13:40:02] <CaptHindsight> so it can't be a turd
[13:40:25] <Wolf_> thats cause its the only turd in its class...
[13:40:40] <fenn> kicksterter class
[13:41:28] <fenn> it really is better than a lot of the "CNC machine" being hyped on kickstarter
[13:42:48] <_methods> special ed class
[13:44:26] <CaptHindsight> "We don't want to sell you a machine if it won't work for you!" but no we won't take it back
[13:44:36] <CaptHindsight> if it doesn't
[13:45:03] <malcom2073> Technically your fault for buying a machine that doesn't fit your specifications :P
[13:46:02] <fenn> what bothers me is when they call it "a CNC" because it obviously isn't a milling machine, and it's a stretch to call it a router, and it's too inaccurate to call it an engraving machine
[13:46:06] <DaViruz> i'm sure their specificatinos on stiffness and wear rate is very.. specific
[13:47:03] <CaptHindsight> "we avoid telling you all that tech jargon so you can focus on making things"
[13:47:45] <DaViruz> Aluminum isn't an edge case for Shapeoko 3, and no special provisions need to be made to the machine. We eat aluminum for breakfast.
[13:47:51] <DaViruz> I think i want some salt with that breakfast
[13:48:22] <DaViruz> (though i am sure that machine will have a lot of uses for a lot of users)
[13:48:29] <Wolf_> foil still counts as aluminum
[13:52:22] <CaptHindsight> the router comes off so you can still use it as a router
[13:54:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/taig-gecko-cnc-mill-milling-machine-engraver-router
[13:54:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-parts/atc-tool-holder
[13:57:44] <CaptHindsight> looks like he stopped selling the shapeoko type machine frames
[13:58:12] <malcom2073> Nice tool holder, one of my first big projects after I make a table enclosure, is going to be converting my impact threaded draw bar into a proper air powered stud draw bar
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[13:59:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/121395852283 MakerFoot - Revolutionize your Shapeoko or MakerSlide CNC
[14:00:26] <malcom2073> "We use knit gloves when handling to avoid fingerprints" "We do not technically deburr the cut ends,"
[14:00:51] <CaptHindsight> after minutes of study we realized that aluminum window frame can be sold as CNC machine framing
[14:01:05] <Wolf_> lol
[14:03:22] <fenn> 1 items similar to MakerFoot - shapeoko 2 pen holder attachment 3d printed $14.99 Buy It Now
[14:03:38] <malcom2073> The richest people make the most money off the fools
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[14:10:09] <ganzuul> Brass brazing steel to steel with butane; no problem. :)
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[14:30:16] <CaptHindsight> "It's not just modular, it's a bag-o-parts!"
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/seeed/rephone-kit-worlds-first-open-source-and-modular-p?ref=category_popular
[14:32:49] * ganzuul found out his lathe has crash detection!
[14:33:07] <CaptHindsight> how so?
[14:33:29] <ganzuul> Ran the tool into the jaw when I turned the wheel the wrong way
[14:33:53] <ganzuul> Crappy jaw though so I'm not too bothered.
[14:33:58] <ganzuul> Tool's alright.
[14:35:55] <ganzuul> ...So the lathe just instantly stopped when that happened.
[14:36:15] <ganzuul> No gnashing of teeth.
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[14:38:51] <malcom2073> That chicks name is dolphin....
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[14:43:58] <ssi> ganzuul: is that "crash detection", or is that "not enough power to hurt itself" :)
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[14:46:43] <CaptHindsight> I'd say "advanced anti-crash technology" or "crash protection"
[14:48:09] <archivist> the fun starts now, unloading a CMM on your own
[14:52:36] <ganzuul> :D
[14:52:41] <ssi> viel gluck
[14:53:25] <ganzuul> It chewed through the hex head of an M16 cheese grade bolt just fine. Just have to give it a steady supply of cuttin'ol.
[14:56:33] <ganzuul> ...but it might have been pointless. ;.;
[14:57:46] <enleth> ganzuul: is the lathe a Sieg?
[14:58:23] <ganzuul> enleth: yeah, Super C3, BLDC motor
[14:59:51] <enleth> ganzuul: yup, they all have crash detection
[15:00:14] <enleth> even the older brushed DC models had
[15:00:24] <ganzuul> cool :)
[15:00:45] <ganzuul> So
http://imgur.com/MPVWfjq
[15:01:19] <ganzuul> The washer wobbles so much that if I machine it there will hardly be anything left...
[15:01:43] <enleth> it's funny on the C0. The motor is 120W, so I can actually stall it and trip the crash detection by grabbing the chuck hard with a bare hand.
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[15:05:26] <ganzuul> It's weird though; when I machined the face the nuts sit on I had it aligned in the outside jaws directly.
[15:05:48] <Simonious> there's a joke in there somewhere..
[15:05:53] <ganzuul> So I would assume the error would have been corrected righ there.
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[15:09:17] <Simonious> so if I do g92 x0y0z2 that defines the current position of the head assuming the offsets are set correctly, right?
[15:09:42] <fenn> ganzuul it looks like the nut is not seating correctly inside the washer
[15:09:53] <fenn> try turning down the end of the nut and flipping it around
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[15:10:18] <ganzuul> hmm
[15:10:49] <cradek> Simonious: it sets a g92 offset such that the current coordinates become those given
[15:11:13] <gabewillen> Hello everyone, how do you add capture-position on the encoder component in pru-driven hal as there is no base-thread?
[15:12:08] <Simonious> cradek: ty
[15:12:12] <gabewillen> Its a simple counter-mode encoder and it does not require the qep interface.
[15:12:21] <cradek> you could just add a base thread if you need it
[15:12:34] <cradek> I don't know anything about pru or qep. are you asking about machinekit?
[15:13:34] <gabewillen> Yes this is my first time using it with ARM. I am very experienced with linuxcnc & hal on x86 and normally came here to ask a question. But if i'm in the wrong area i apologize.
[15:13:53] <sadara> what is the machinekit channel?
[15:14:26] <gabewillen> I didn't see one listed in the blog
[15:14:36] <cradek> I'm not sure if they have an irc channel. they use a google group thing I think?
[15:15:09] <gabewillen> just a mailing list. I was looking for a quicker response as i'm hooking a machine up at work on the clock.
[15:15:30] <ganzuul> fenn: You're right. adding a third nut to lock two together in the middle of the thread didn't help either...
[15:17:15] <gabewillen> I'll use cradeks suggestion for now. I'll consult the mailing list and modify if needed.
[15:17:24] <gabewillen> Thanks cradek
[15:17:48] <sadara> ganzuul, google jam nut, they are more complicated then you think, and your probably doing it wrong
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[15:19:08] <sadara> gabewillen, nm, that was really random,
[15:19:20] <_methods> heh jam nut google possibly nsfw
[15:19:21] <_methods> lol
[15:19:42] <_methods> jackie trehorn present JAM NUT
[15:20:14] <ssi> :D
[15:20:47] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/mO7uX79.webm
[15:20:57] <_methods> don't see that every day
[15:21:06] <ssi> have you seen the bouncy house one?
[15:21:11] <_methods> no
[15:21:20] <ganzuul> derp, I don't actually need a third nut for this.
[15:21:35] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fEQMZNwZGc
[15:21:51] <_methods> hahahha
[15:21:56] <_methods> i need a trex suit
[15:22:01] <ssi> yussss
[15:22:14] <_methods> omg trex makes the bed
[15:22:15] <_methods> hahahah
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[15:27:46] <ganzuul> fenn: I can't find any information about that I could have done wrong... I tightened the two nuts against each other harder than I tightened the workpiece to one of them.
[15:28:36] <ganzuul> derp
[15:28:42] <ganzuul> sadara: ^
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[15:29:49] <sadara> ganzuul, ?
[15:31:04] <sadara> tighten the first nut
[15:31:17] <sadara> tighten the second nut and hold
[15:31:31] <sadara> LOOSEN the first nut
[15:32:30] <ganzuul> oooh, right. I can use two wrenches.
[15:34:43] <sadara> the torque between the two nuts has to be more than between the nuts and the workpiece. I've never actually seen anyone use jam nuts correctly
[15:35:22] <ganzuul> That's what I did. :)
[15:36:03] <ganzuul> The concept is pretty simple. It's an anti-backlash scheme.
[15:36:32] <_methods> wtf are you tryin to do? turn the washer OD down?
[15:36:47] <ganzuul> No, true up the face
[15:36:59] <_methods> the face of a washer?
[15:37:04] <ganzuul> yeah
[15:37:09] <ssi> how are you going to true under the nut?
[15:37:11] <_methods> why in the world would you do that?
[15:37:33] <ganzuul> To get my bench grinder to vibrate less.
[15:37:39] <ssi> if that's really a thing you want to do, you're probably better off with a superglue arbor
[15:37:47] <_methods> just make a washer from bar stock then
[15:37:53] <ganzuul> hm
[15:38:04] <malcom2073> Is the washer the problem, or the (significantly heavier) stone?
[15:38:14] <_methods> if you need a dimensionally perfect washer
[15:38:23] <ganzuul> I was going to get some Delrin today but balked at the price. :V
[15:38:47] <ganzuul> malcom2073: I think it's the washer. It makes the stone wobble.
[15:38:51] <ganzuul> It's stamped steel.
[15:39:07] <_methods> what about the bushing?
[15:39:20] <_methods> that's usually where wobble comes in on the grinder
[15:39:26] <ganzuul> _methods: Glued into the stone.
[15:39:29] <_methods> and a badly ground stone
[15:39:37] <_methods> just true up the wheel
[15:40:12] <ganzuul> I'ma try wrapping some copper tape around the axle.
[15:40:20] <ganzuul> Get the bushing tighter...
[15:40:27] <_methods> that's a good idea
[15:41:22] <CaptHindsight> why bargain grinders and stones might not be bargains
[15:41:40] <roycroft> bargain stones tend to blow up
[15:42:10] <CaptHindsight> heh, I needed one on a Sunday and the HF wheel just about did that
[15:42:49] <roycroft> if you're going to buy a bargain stone the prudent thing to do is to mount it up, then turn on the grinder and run away as fast as you can and wait about 5 minutes while it spins up to speed and holds speed for a while
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[15:46:18] <ganzuul> I switched up the 200W/150mm bargin grinder for a 370W/200mm one.
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[15:47:15] <ssi> my HF grinder is pretty ok but the stones that came with it I'm pretty sure they make by taking an 8" holesaw to the pavement behind the factory
[15:48:19] <CaptHindsight> the tolerance on the mounting holes mist be +/- .25"
[15:49:11] <CaptHindsight> I'm surprised there aren't lawsuits over the carnage caused by them coming apart
[15:50:42] <ganzuul> me too
[15:52:05] <_methods> yeah i had to make new bushings for my HF grinder
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[15:52:24] <ssi> my hf grinder has some kind of chinese superbearings in it
[15:52:26] <_methods> that solved a lot of the problems
[15:52:28] <ssi> when I shut it off, it'll spin for two hours
[15:52:32] <ssi> not even exaggerating
[15:52:36] <_methods> hahah
[15:52:44] <_methods> it's a perpetual motion machine
[15:52:46] <ssi> yep
[15:52:47] <_methods> free energy
[15:52:55] <ssi> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12049308_540142092801003_3358876953205922871_n.jpg?oh=e6bf578480a7c7e0698b4c36f3572d0f&oe=56A0A0FC
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[16:10:10] <Sync> fenn: if your double vee is made properly, it just works
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[16:55:39] <ssi> _methods:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ETc1mNNQg8
[16:57:05] <Tom_itx> you'd be nuts to fly with him
[16:57:16] <ssi> a friend of mine owns that airplane now
[16:57:36] <ssi> and I'd LOVE to have the opportunity to fly with the guy in the video :D
[16:57:38] <ssi> he was one of the best
[16:57:49] <Tom_itx> _was_ ?
[16:57:54] <ssi> I dunno if he's alive or not
[16:57:58] <ssi> he was a million years old in the 80s
[16:58:02] <Tom_itx> oh
[16:59:01] <ssi> yea they're both dead now
[16:59:02] <ssi> 2000
[17:00:42] <Tom_itx> accident on takeoff?
[17:01:49] <ssi> not sure what happened... some kind of accident training
[17:02:22] <ssi> midair looks like
[17:02:42] <ssi> which isn't terribly surprising... their signature was very very close formation aerobatics, often with Daniel inverted
[17:02:49] <ssi> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/63/FrenchConnection.jpg
[17:05:02] <malcom2073> Hey, that guys post has Andy's mini mill
[17:05:08] <malcom2073> his hobbing video, I like that one
[17:05:56] <MattyMatt> ssi, I've heard that long spindown is a sign of worn out bearings. my tablesaw does the same. 2 minutes+
[17:06:07] <ssi> MattyMatt: interesting
[17:06:25] <ssi> I dunno that they're worn out, they were probably born that way
[17:06:27] <ssi> it's always done that
[17:07:55] <CaptHindsight> nah just no load on them
[17:08:14] <MattyMatt> if they had the preload you expect from good bearings, they'd have a tiny bit of rolling resistance. and all that grease they should be moving
[17:08:31] <CaptHindsight> is the balls and races are round but there's room between balls it should spin like that
[17:08:36] <CaptHindsight> is/if
[17:09:05] <CaptHindsight> I'm starting think I have some S/F key dyslexia
[17:09:14] <ssi> lol
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[17:09:23] <MattyMatt> dystypian nightmare
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[17:16:48] <SpeedEvil> I have an azerty canadian keyboard.
[17:16:53] <SpeedEvil> Set to US-english.
[17:16:56] <SpeedEvil> In the UK.
[17:17:12] <SpeedEvil> Actually looking at the keys _really_ confuses me.
[17:17:32] <ssi> I'm a dvoraker
[17:17:45] <ssi> I switched in 2000
[17:17:58] <ssi> originally I rearranged my keycaps but I found it kept me from learning, I would just look
[17:18:03] <ssi> so I removed all the keycaps and learned to touchtype
[17:18:08] <ssi> took me two weeks of being useless
[17:18:23] <ssi> but I can type considerably faster in dvorak than I ever could qwerty
[17:18:35] <ssi> and I was already developing RSI then, and I was 20
[17:18:44] <ssi> now, it's been 15 years and I don't have wrist pain
[17:19:01] <ssi> and I'm a programmer by trade :P
[17:19:32] <SpeedEvil> How many programming tasks are actually limited by typing speed though?
[17:19:43] <ssi> not many
[17:19:52] <renesis> programmers who can type are pretty impressive
[17:19:53] <ssi> but efficient typing certainly helps
[17:20:03] <renesis> its certainly in significant savings in time
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[17:20:16] * renesis cant rly type, like 20-30wpm but errors
[17:20:24] <SpeedEvil> renesis: Sure - to a degree.
[17:20:26] <renesis> s/in/a
[17:20:27] <ssi> I can type 140wpm error free if I concentrate
[17:20:36] <SpeedEvil> I mean - if you're at 15wpm - that's going to slow you down.
[17:20:38] <CaptHindsight> I just avoid typing in general
[17:20:43] <SpeedEvil> 50WPM+ - not so much
[17:20:44] <renesis> which basically means he isnt thinking about typing
[17:20:54] <renesis> and i think thats the big diff
[17:21:18] <renesis> like, i think about syntax, formatting, programmers who are typing that fast cant be very much
[17:21:54] <ssi> that stuff becomes muscle memory
[17:21:57] <SpeedEvil> Especially when you should be thinking most of the time about ways to avoid typing.
[17:22:01] <ssi> and it's tied in heavily with the environment you work in
[17:22:06] <ssi> I'm an old school vi guy
[17:22:22] <renesis> i really loved vi when i was using it daily
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[17:22:24] <ssi> SpeedEvil: it's not so much about avoiding typing as it is avoiding work
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[17:22:27] <ssi> the best programmers are the lazy ones
[17:22:31] <SpeedEvil> (ways to avoid typing = thinking about the code, not thinking about typing the next line)
[17:22:37] <renesis> there was a point where id catch :wq at the end of word docs
[17:22:38] <SpeedEvil> ssi: yeah - that
[17:22:46] <ssi> renesis: yeah I do that constantly
[17:22:54] <ssi> I can only use editors that have vi bindings
[17:23:03] <ssi> I mostly use sublime text these days, and it has vi bindings
[17:23:09] <renesis> does vim fuck you up in non compatible mode?
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[17:23:20] <ssi> no actually I prefer the vim extensions
[17:23:28] <renesis> okay youre not that messed up
[17:23:31] <ssi> I haven't worked on honest to god neckbeard vi in AGES
[17:23:42] <Sync> it is painful
[17:24:12] <Tom_itx> i remember waking up after dreaming of code in the middle of the night and coding it. some of the best ideas came to me then
[17:24:26] <ssi> well one of my limitations is, as a dvorak guy, the hjkl movement keys in vi don't work for me
[17:24:37] <ssi> so I am one of those non-pure vi guys that uses arrow keys
[17:25:01] <Sync> me too, I cannot stand the hjkl crap
[17:25:34] <Sync> but I also don't like to touchtype for a long time
[17:25:41] <malcom2073> nano!
[17:25:42] * malcom2073 hides
[17:25:44] <ssi> I exclusively touchtype
[17:25:50] <SpeedEvil> I do too.
[17:25:54] <SpeedEvil> And touch-mouse.
[17:26:02] <CaptHindsight> avoiding typing has helped my wrists and hands, and avoiding programming has helped my joy in life
[17:26:14] <ssi> my boss thinks I'm super weird because I'll be on IRC talking to you guys, and he'll walk up and want to talk to me, and I'll look up and stare at him while he's talking and be blathering at you guys at 80+wpm
[17:26:15] <SpeedEvil> I frequently use the keyboard - with a trackpoint - under the bedclothes. Nice and warm in winter.
[17:26:43] <Sync> it makes my wrists hurt when I touchtype too long
[17:26:49] <Sync> and I'm plenty fast without it
[17:26:57] <ssi> Sync: switch to dvorak! fixed my pain
[17:26:57] <ssi> heh
[17:27:09] <SpeedEvil> I touchtype, but do not use a consistent home position.
[17:27:15] <Sync> well, if I type regularily I don't get any pain
[17:27:24] <SpeedEvil> At the moment, my fingers are over qwdf, kp=]
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[17:27:59] <ssi> aoeu htns :)
[17:28:04] <Sync> I'd rather use qwertz with the neo sublayers
[17:30:44] <Sync> because they are useful when coding
[17:31:01] <ssi> dvorak isn't super useful for coding as a layout... it's optimized for english
[17:31:03] <ssi> but it works for me
[17:31:04] <Sync> but my muscle memory has huge issues adapting to different layouts
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[17:35:41] <MattyMatt> chording keyboards are still a thing, allegedly
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[17:35:55] * SpeedEvil prefers powerchording keyboards.
[17:36:04] * SpeedEvil turns his keyboard up to 11.
[17:36:07] <ssi> I have some time on a twiddler
[17:36:08] <MattyMatt> should be built into the arm of every chair
[17:36:18] <ssi> I don't think I still have it, it almost certainly was lost in the fire
[17:36:23] <ssi> but I got up to 15wpm on it at one point
[17:36:33] <SpeedEvil> I used to have a Microwriter Agenda
[17:36:52] <SpeedEvil> - the first commercial chorded keyboard thing
[17:37:02] <SpeedEvil> I think I only hit about 8wpm.
[17:37:09] <MattyMatt> if it was tapped on your forarm, you could still do it if your hands had been lost in the fire too
[17:37:46] <MattyMatt> finger muscles up by the elbow
[17:38:54] <SpeedEvil> The hand is a fucking awesome mechanism.
[17:39:05] <ssi> indeed
[17:39:10] <MattyMatt> christopher pike had less kit than steven hawking. 2 beeps for no?
[17:39:42] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel
[17:40:16] <SpeedEvil> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Carpal-Tunnel.svg
[17:40:40] <MattyMatt> if you tapped the nerves in the arm, you wouldn't have to actually move the fingers at all, at least not enough to draw the tendons tight
[17:40:59] <SpeedEvil> If only nerve interfacing was a bit easier.
[17:41:33] <MattyMatt> I thought eeg probes worked well enough stuck on the skin
[17:41:55] <MattyMatt> at least enough to detect if a whole muscle is firing
[17:41:59] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[17:42:12] <SpeedEvil> i was meaning more bidirectional and sensitive, and many channel.
[17:42:36] <MattyMatt> one per finger, open loop will do for now. it's only typing :)
[17:42:58] <MattyMatt> cyborg gauntlets later
[17:43:19] <MattyMatt> bbl sausages
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[18:16:15] <ganzuul> I'm not grinding another parting tool EVER again if I can help it.
[18:16:25] <ssi> lol
[18:17:32] <ganzuul> But I did discover that if I apply enough pressure, the tool bit doesn't get hot very quick.
[18:26:16] <JT-Shop> pos case power supply only has one sata plug... wtf everything is sata now a days
[18:35:16] <anomynous> ganzuul, why not
[18:39:39] <ganzuul> anomynous: It's very tedious. And the bench grinder makes a mess.
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[18:40:00] <ganzuul> I need to construct some manner of containment for that thing.
[18:40:09] <anomynous> its tedious only after 3 first ones. After that they start to work ;D
[18:40:11] <anomynous> probably
[18:40:35] <anomynous> well, i cant grind either, though ive done... two? ;D
[18:40:50] <ganzuul> Then we're on par.
[18:41:28] <ganzuul> My first one, the usual workhorse shape, actually works well. Cuts the type of steel they make bolts of.
[18:41:54] <ganzuul> Nice tightly curling chips which break ok.
[18:41:55] <anomynous> i took a bit of a thick chip with drill today. I mismeasured the drill and it was feeding on slowest rapid ;D
[18:42:00] <anomynous> didnt break
[18:42:04] <anomynous> i was fast enough
[18:42:10] <ganzuul> :D
[18:43:13] <ganzuul> It's sort of awesome and humbling when you mistakenly push your tools and they still do what you ended up asking of them.
[18:44:39] <ssi> it's good to find your limits :)
[18:47:13] <archivist> a few cock ups during the learning phase is normal
[18:49:44] <ganzuul> Speaking of,
[18:50:58] <ganzuul> My brass/bronze brazing rod arrived. It works just fine to braze with a not-minmal butane torch.
[18:51:26] <ganzuul> So that's a pretty cool ability to have...
[18:53:43] <CaptHindsight> archivist: did you manage to get the CMM home?
[18:56:10] <anomynous> https://www.anony.ws/i/2015/09/25/20150925_120745.jpg
[18:57:20] <ganzuul> anomynous: That's a nail.
[18:57:34] <anomynous> really? its fe52 and it came out with the drill in the picture ;D
[18:58:05] <ganzuul> I have discovered a new way to make nails.
[18:58:20] <anomynous> ;D
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[19:09:23] <ganzuul> ...I? I meant you.
[19:09:34] <ganzuul> weird
[19:09:51] <ganzuul> Coulda sworn I wrote 'you'.
[19:15:46] <archivist> CaptHindsight, its home, out the van, jacked downwards, about to go back on rollers then into the garage
[19:16:46] <archivist> its is never the 2 tons as the seller emailed more like 500kg
[19:17:33] <archivist> must make a universal wheeled trolley for this sort of occasion
[19:18:43] <archivist> CaptHindsight, despite the seller saying no probe, it had gained one today when I arrived :)
[19:18:43] <andypugh> archivist: Did you see mine?
[19:18:55] <archivist> your trolley, yes
[19:19:12] <andypugh> Yes, I meant my trolley.
[19:19:30] <CaptHindsight> archivist: \0/
[19:20:21] <archivist> have taken a few pics but getting dark and just getting a drink then onto rolling for an hour or something
[19:20:25] <MacGalempsy> good afternoon
[19:22:11] <andypugh> archivist: What be the machine?
[19:23:14] <archivist> andypugh,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221868431124 the dalek
[19:23:32] <archivist> small working area though
[19:23:41] <archivist> volume
[19:25:58] <andypugh> What’s the plan for it?
[19:26:54] <archivist> will try its own software for a giggle and learning, then linuxcnc maybe
[19:27:22] <archivist> lots to learn first
[19:28:51] <SpeedEvil> archivist: 'universal wheeled trolley'. The hard part is the self-driving, so you can just have it drop the machine in your workshop.
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[19:29:44] <SpeedEvil> archivist: nice
[19:30:04] <SpeedEvil> stupid title
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[19:31:02] <ssi> http://www.xkcd.com/1579/
[19:31:10] <ssi> this is true for tech but it's also true of my machine shop
[19:31:16] <ssi> I spend FAR more time making tools than I do making products
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[19:39:01] <malcom2073> SSI: I'm going on 6 months of working on machines to work on machines to work on machines
[19:39:15] <malcom2073> I bought a lathe, so I could make parts for my mill, which still isn't running :P
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[19:39:38] <malcom2073> Amusing related: A friend of mine asked wtf these machines were for, best answer I could give her: Making parts for other machines
[19:39:39] <ssi> man I've been in that cycle for seven years
[19:39:51] <malcom2073> Hey, I'm new to the hobby, cut me a break :P
[19:40:09] <ssi> well I have zero fully functional cnc machines at the moment :)
[19:40:10] <malcom2073> Though you give me hope, that I won't run out of things to do with the machines :P
[19:40:43] <ssi> no, but you will develop a desire for bigger and more complicated machines :)
[19:40:57] <malcom2073> Hey, I went straight off for the CNC mill, I figure too much bigger and I'll need a thicker concrete pad
[19:41:05] <ssi> remind me what machine?
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[19:41:11] <andypugh> I am finding that the machines you have are never big enough to make parts for the machines you have.
[19:41:11] <malcom2073> Clausing Kondia FV-1
[19:41:20] <malcom2073> Beefy knee mill
[19:41:34] <ssi> aha
[19:41:36] <ssi> that's a nice machine
[19:41:40] <ssi> about the size of by bridgyclone
[19:42:11] <ssi> see I'm up to this size now:
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/10672253_10100490548539302_6407225546292985700_n.jpg?oh=34f31bdb74be027796e93c16365f7d6a&oe=56993952
[19:42:15] <andypugh> Currently trying to mill a 12”x12”x7” gearbox on a mill with a 12” x 8” x 8” envelope…
[19:42:15] <ssi> heh
[19:42:30] <malcom2073> Heh
[19:42:35] <malcom2073> This thing has a stupid large envelope
[19:42:35] <ssi> about 10klb
[19:42:43] <malcom2073> Haha nice
[19:42:50] <ssi> that one is 20x20x20" envelope
[19:42:51] <bjmorel_work> Does anyone know if the Spindle output on a 7i76 can handle -10/+10VDC ?
[19:42:52] <ssi> and 15hp, 10krpm
[19:42:55] <andypugh> ssi: Photoshop!
[19:42:55] <malcom2073> Nice!
[19:43:25] <ssi> andypugh: huh?!
[19:43:38] <andypugh> bjmorel_work: No, it’s a digital potentiometer
[19:44:02] <andypugh> ssi: The fork lift looks like it should be falling on its nose.
[19:44:24] <ssi> andypugh: the forklift weighs 20klb
[19:44:43] <ssi> it's a 12,500lb rated truck
[19:44:58] <ssi> and it was a tricky lift, because I had to get it from the front, but all the weight is in the back
[19:45:02] <ssi> with 8' forks
[19:45:13] <andypugh> Yeah, I wasn’t really saying I didn’t beleive it, just that forkifts often look wrong. They lift cars with them at work, from the front.
[19:45:16] <ssi> when I picked it up off the flatbed, I couldn't get all the way under it, and the back wheels came off the ground
[19:45:31] <ssi> I had to carefully scoot it back enough to reposition the forks deeper
[19:46:08] <bjmorel_work> andypugh: I mean using it like that, -10VDC to SPINDLE- and +10VDC to SPINDLE+
[19:46:34] <bjmorel_work> andypugh: The docs say it works for -5/+5, just wondering if it would reach.
[19:47:17] <andypugh> If it works for +/-5v can you reconfigure the drive to work at that scale?
[19:47:48] <andypugh> (It might be worth checking if the device is rated for 20V)
[19:47:54] <bjmorel_work> Not sure yet. Just got the AMC drive in via. UPS today. Waisting time at work thinking about it.
[19:51:58] <ssi> On Sunday, astronauts aboard the International Space Station got a sneak preview of a movie before it was released in theatres. The only problem is that movie was “The Martian”, a tale about an astronaut stranded alone on Mars, left for dead. It doesn’t exactly seem like appropriate viewing for those currently in space.
[19:52:03] <ssi> lol
[19:52:31] <SpeedEvil> ssi: Followed up by 'the andromeda strain'
[19:52:35] <ssi> :D
[19:52:45] <_methods> lol
[19:52:53] <_methods> and gravity
[19:53:15] <_methods> spaceman triple terror feature
[19:54:38] <ssi> Dr. Spaceman
[19:54:58] <CaptHindsight> and every Twilight Zone episode about stranded spacemen
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[19:59:18] <malcom2073> Do any shops still use manual mills? Or is pretty much everything commercial cnc?
[19:59:23] <malcom2073> erm
[19:59:24] <malcom2073> lathes
[19:59:25] <malcom2073> not mills
[19:59:28] <malcom2073> Same question though
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[19:59:48] <ssi> absolutely
[20:00:04] <malcom2073> I was standing at my lathe turning my motor sleeves, and I have my southbend set up across from the big one, and it looks like a shop, kinda cool
[20:00:08] <ssi> in fact I'd say only production shops really focus on cnc
[20:00:10] <[cube]> manual lathe is essential
[20:00:15] <roycroft> i would say that more machine shops use manual lathes than use manual milling machines
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[20:00:38] <andypugh> Kieth Fenner certainly uses both
[20:00:44] <andypugh> (Keith)
[20:01:07] <andypugh> I rather suspect that capstan lathes are no longer used much for mass production.
[20:01:29] <andypugh> But for one-off and repair work a manual lathe is still useful.
[20:01:37] <malcom2073> Cool
[20:01:54] <malcom2073> I need to figure these DRO slides out and get this on my lathe, makethings much easier
[20:02:09] <ssi> andypugh: by capstan lathe, do you mean like the hardinge second-op lathes with the lever-op turret?
[20:02:35] <andypugh> Having said that, everything that can be done on a manual lathe can be done on a CNC more easily, with the right macros set up.
[20:03:09] <andypugh> ssi: Yes, the ones with a big slide and screw stops rather than mircometers.
[20:03:15] <ssi> yeah
[20:03:27] <ssi> that's a pretty antiquated production technique these days
[20:03:59] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqRMwU1AuDg
[20:05:09] <roycroft> this is for sale locally:
[20:05:11] <roycroft> http://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/5216912026.html
[20:05:28] <roycroft> i could probably get it for about $2k, but i would have nowhere to put it, nor the means to move it
[20:05:30] <roycroft> it is HUGE
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[20:05:58] <roycroft> i looked at it while picking up some other tooling at the estate that's being sold
[20:06:32] <roycroft> i think a wall of the bulding that it's in would have to be torn down to remove it
[20:07:29] <CaptHindsight> I come across similar ones for free if I will "just get it outta here"
[20:07:55] <roycroft> it would probably cost me $2k to move it
[20:08:20] <roycroft> it's been for sale for a while, and the folks do want to clear out the shop
[20:09:09] <CaptHindsight> warner swasey as well
[20:09:21] <roycroft> they have a frankenstein vertical milling machine that's actually interesting
[20:09:28] <roycroft> manex with a bridgeport head
[20:09:35] <roycroft> http://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/5216909807.html
[20:09:44] <roycroft> it's not in great condition though
[20:10:01] <roycroft> but it would be much easier to move
[20:10:09] <roycroft> and i would not mind getting a 9x42
[20:10:16] * ganzuul tricks out his lathe with the best bling. xD
[20:10:17] <roycroft> if i could get it for $1k i'd think about it
[20:10:29] <CaptHindsight> I wouldn't pay more than 2K together and delivered
[20:10:45] <roycroft> i don't live in the rust belt
[20:11:04] <roycroft> machinery is a bit more scarce in my part of the world than elsewhere, and more expensive for that reason
[20:11:18] <roycroft> if i were in ohio i would expect that to be almost free
[20:11:49] <CaptHindsight> yeah, WI, IL, MI, OH, IN
[20:11:56] <roycroft> pa
[20:14:28] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/bfs/5219944788.html
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[20:15:28] <CaptHindsight> "also serves as a background prop for submarine films"
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[20:19:16] <ssi> lol
[20:19:25] <ssi> southbends are better for that
[20:19:31] <ssi> every submarine I've ever been on had a southbend on it
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[20:22:43] <roycroft> good ballast, those southbends
[20:25:16] <zeeshan> its the WEEKEND!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[20:25:31] <ssi> it is indeed
[20:25:43] <ssi> weather is crappy though :(
[20:25:55] <roycroft> it's kind of raining here a bit
[20:25:56] <jdh> super crappy here.
[20:26:00] <roycroft> but not enough to be useful
[20:26:29] <zeeshan> its pretty nice here all weekend
[20:26:37] <zeeshan> im looking forward to working on this vape handles
[20:26:41] <zeeshan> and hopefully finishing them off this weekend
[20:26:43] <zeeshan> long shot
[20:26:44] <zeeshan> but will try :P
[20:26:44] <jdh> damned druggies
[20:26:53] <zeeshan> i know =/
[20:27:07] <ssi> oh THATS what they were
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[20:27:55] <zeeshan> ssi
[20:28:00] <zeeshan> why are you dissing my hairy hands
[20:28:06] <zeeshan> they are very useful in canada
[20:28:11] <andypugh> Bck to that video, it gets interesting when they get on to plugboard and actual early CNC:
https://youtu.be/EqRMwU1AuDg?t=15m25s
[20:28:17] <ssi> yes I know they're functional
[20:28:25] <CaptHindsight> 72F here and sunny
[20:28:27] <ssi> and I wasn't dissing them, simply remarking on them :)
[20:28:31] <zeeshan> haha
[20:28:37] <zeeshan> dude
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[20:28:39] <zeeshan> in grade 7
[20:28:42] <zeeshan> i had full facial hair
[20:28:47] <ssi> makes me want to go home and watch the hobbit
[20:28:51] <zeeshan> most people didnt even hit puberty
[20:28:54] <ssi> lol
[20:29:12] <zeeshan> which also meant i was messing with some highschool girls :P
[20:29:34] <malcom2073> And by messing, he means getting in trouble for peeping in their shower
[20:29:42] <zeeshan> haha
[20:29:49] <zeeshan> i always got made fun of for being hairy
[20:29:54] <zeeshan> i didnt mind :P
[20:30:07] <zeeshan> back then most of the girls were into hairy guys
[20:30:07] <zeeshan> ahha
[20:30:16] <zeeshan> now days they're into girly men :(
[20:30:21] <ssi> SWEET
[20:30:47] <zeeshan> i think i upset my coworker today
[20:30:54] <ssi> I do that on the regular
[20:30:58] <zeeshan> by calling a switch gear an overly sized residential panel
[20:30:59] <zeeshan> :(
[20:31:02] <ssi> I upset 70% of the people I talk to
[20:31:07] <zeeshan> -a switchgear
[20:31:20] <zeeshan> yes you have more eddys and stuff
[20:31:26] <zeeshan> but essentially i would think the concept is the same
[20:31:33] <zeeshan> they're circuit protection devices
[20:31:36] <zeeshan> and power routing devices
[20:31:41] <zeeshan> just very large ones
[20:31:54] <ssi> I'm sure they'll get over it :P
[20:31:54] <CaptHindsight> thin skinned engineers? never!
[20:32:02] <ssi> I'm going home!
[20:32:23] <jdh> excellent idea.
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[20:56:52] <jdh> amazon is going to deliver 2 $0.91 thrust bearing washers to me sunday.
[20:57:05] <jdh> for free
[21:00:16] <andypugh> And that is one of many probles with this world :-)
[21:01:55] <jdh> the real problem is I am buying them for work because our purchasing system won't even get an order placed until Tuesday or so.
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[21:05:28] <andypugh> Our purchasing system is great. It is absolutely impossible for me to buy anything, so I either don’t do it, or buy it with my own money. That saves the company a fortune, I am sure.
[21:05:51] <jdh> that could be the rationale for ours.
[21:06:19] <jdh> if a vendor will not accept our absurd terms, we have to buy through a third party that marks thigns up 18%
[21:06:27] <roycroft> i do a lot of personal purchasing and then expensing for a government that i work for on contract
[21:06:43] <roycroft> because their purchasing process is so difficult and excludes many vendors
[21:06:52] <roycroft> but it's easy for them to do expense reimbursements
[21:07:06] <roycroft> ebay is a good example - they cannot purchase anything off of ebay, even for $0.01
[21:07:11] <andypugh> Yes, everything we buy from RS Components is bought through a third-party company. I can’t see how that saves money.
[21:07:20] <roycroft> i buy them stuff all the time on ebay and save them heaps of money
[21:08:00] <SpeedEvil> andypugh: But they give the purchasing manager a new ipad.
[21:08:10] <SpeedEvil> With eight lines of cocaine already on it
[21:08:34] <andypugh> (I do work for quite a bg company, it’s probably a yacht)
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[21:15:23] <andypugh> I have decided I like my SpaceNavigator 3D mouse thingy, it’s lovely for moving CAD models around
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[21:19:57] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:22:27] <JT-Shop> lovely to return the totally useless case it will cost me $25 to return a $49 case!
[21:22:31] <XXCoder> andypugh: I love my logtech darkfield mouse
[21:22:42] <XXCoder> jezz
[21:22:48] <XXCoder> as well as use it for various projects
[21:23:06] <XXCoder> (was thinking pc case but maybe not lol)
[21:23:32] <andypugh> I think that’s a different thing. The SpaceNavigator goes in the non-mouse hand, you use both at the same time.
[21:23:47] <XXCoder> ahh
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[21:24:45] <andypugh> Pull it towards you, it zooms, twist it, the part rotates on a vertical axis, tilt it, on a horizontal axis, push sidways without tilting, pan sideeays. Etc.
[21:25:06] <JT-Shop> well I can use UPS and ship it back for $20...
[21:25:08] <andypugh> So, a full 6DOF (and two programmable buttond)
[21:25:26] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g99lUtjLfMU&feature=youtu.be
[21:25:27] <XXCoder> andypugh: can turn it on or off? because wouldnt want end with mess as I type in irc or something lol
[21:26:24] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, that you?
[21:26:35] <Tom_itx> that's me
[21:26:42] <JT-Shop> nice
[21:26:54] <JT-Shop> spindle complains a bit at that rpm?
[21:27:10] <Tom_itx> the spindle motor stalls until the PID gives it enough oomph to do it
[21:27:17] <Tom_itx> but it's a good thread
[21:27:39] <XXCoder> huh I see weight on one side. counterweight for spindle?
[21:27:44] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[21:27:52] <Tom_itx> for Z
[21:28:07] <XXCoder> nice
[21:28:09] <Tom_itx> works better with it
[21:28:12] <XXCoder> more accurate I guess
[21:28:34] <Tom_itx> may not do alot of tapping.. but it works
[21:28:53] <andypugh> XXCoder: It does specific things in specific apps.
[21:28:56] <JT-Shop> can you plug a USB 2 into a USB 3?
[21:29:00] <XXCoder> ok
[21:29:03] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: yes
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[21:29:05] <Tom_itx> yes i don't see why not
[21:29:11] <Tom_itx> it's backward compatible
[21:29:17] <XXCoder> it wont gain much speed boost but it will work
[21:29:26] <XXCoder> it will max out usb 2.0 speed
[21:29:28] <JT-Shop> ok, looking for a new case for the gigabite
[21:29:57] <Tom_itx> i need about a 2hp spindle motor :D
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[21:30:12] <andypugh> The fact that the spindle stalls and it still works makes it a better demo
[21:30:16] <Tom_itx> or a servo on it instead
[21:30:24] <Tom_itx> yeah i agree
[21:30:46] <Tom_itx> and once it goes, it speeds beyond the rpm until the pid levels out again
[21:31:26] <Tom_itx> i won't use it on thick material for sure
[21:33:59] <Tom_itx> i did have to adjust my accel limits on Z after updating to 2.7.0 with the TP
[21:34:09] <Tom_itx> X and Y seem to be ok
[21:35:54] <Tom_itx> mmm twin engine cessna crashed 2 mi N of the airport after takeoff today
[21:35:58] <zeeshan> andypugh: exactly
[21:36:00] <zeeshan> thats pretty awesome
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[21:37:12] <archivist> first lump in the garage :)
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[21:39:54] * JT-Shop wonders what size power supply a miniatx mb and dvd drive really need?
[21:40:00] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/CCDIuZUfETc
[21:40:16] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, get one of those PICO psus
[21:40:41] <Tom_itx> mini ATX? i've got one on my Mini ITX
[21:40:50] <Tom_itx> 120W
[21:40:55] <Tom_itx> 12v wart
[21:41:11] <JT-Shop> now my online store is going wonkers
[21:41:38] <Tom_itx> http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f?sc=8&category=13
[21:41:44] <Tom_itx> i'm using that on this PC
[21:41:54] <Tom_itx> P1900
[21:42:13] <Tom_itx> runs 24/7
[21:42:36] <Tom_itx> err Q1900M
[21:42:41] <enleth> so *this* is making those funny noises - the upper spindle bearing is clanking and has 2mm of axial play.
[21:43:04] <enleth> fortunately it's a standard 6206
[21:43:15] <Tom_itx> enleth, my friend rebuilt his recently but i didn't see how it came apart
[21:43:31] <Tom_itx> the bridgeport?
[21:43:34] <JT-Shop> not enough plugs on that one
[21:43:34] <enleth> yep.
[21:44:00] <JT-Shop> now PHP upgrade to 5.6 is what hosed my store
[21:44:13] <Tom_itx> wonderful
[21:44:19] <enleth> Tom_itx: the spindle is super easy to remove and the upper bearing comes off easily
[21:50:57] <XXCoder> what do you think guys
http://glowforge.com/
[21:53:04] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/3oW9IgP sweeet machine
[21:53:54] <XXCoder> quite literally
[22:01:53] <zeeshan> lol
[22:01:55] <zeeshan> whats going onthere
[22:01:57] <zeeshan> im so confused
[22:02:06] <zeeshan> is that a candy maker
[22:02:59] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPx9-LAWcAEEYq8.jpg:large
[22:03:02] <ssi> clampz!
[22:03:05] <zeeshan> nice!
[22:03:10] <zeeshan> flea market finds?
[22:03:14] <ssi> ebay
[22:03:17] <zeeshan> how much
[22:03:23] <ssi> like $30/pair shipped
[22:03:31] <zeeshan> exp
[22:03:34] <ssi> meh
[22:03:36] <zeeshan> but those starrets are brand new
[22:03:36] <ssi> i wanted some
[22:03:36] <zeeshan> nice
[22:03:46] <zeeshan> anything inthe starrett box?
[22:03:54] <ssi> no that's just the box the starret clamps go in
[22:03:56] <zeeshan> i had clamps that looked like that
[22:04:00] <zeeshan> but much rustier
[22:04:06] <zeeshan> it might be worth throwing em in some zep purple cleaner
[22:04:07] <ssi> I was thinking about making some
[22:04:08] <zeeshan> for an hour
[22:04:12] <roycroft> it's the weekend!
[22:04:17] <ssi> it'd be a fun heat treat / tooling project
[22:04:19] <roycroft> time to head out to the shop and have some fun
[22:04:40] <ssi> but those big 5" guys are pretty cool
[22:04:57] <ssi> they're shopmade I'm pretty sure, and the threads aren't super smooth, but they're big and beefy
[22:05:30] <JT-Shop> ssi what do you do for a gui in go?
[22:05:50] <roycroft> i made those parallel clamps in machining class
[22:05:56] <roycroft> one of the earlier projects we made
[22:05:57] <zeeshan> the bottom two pairs
[22:06:04] <zeeshan> dont look shop made
[22:06:10] <ssi> JT-Shop: web if anything
[22:06:11] <zeeshan> they're very much like brown and sharp
[22:06:25] <ssi> JT-Shop: there may be some toolkit bindings but I haven't messed with them
[22:06:37] <ssi> zeeshan: the medium sized ones? I agree
[22:06:59] <ssi> JT-Shop: I'm really hoping someone comes up with a nice binding for go to cocoa for writing native osx gui apps
[22:07:30] <JT-Shop> I looked but didn't see anything, however I can run go from python
[22:07:48] <ssi> lol for that matter you could have done the dxf parser in python
[22:08:31] <JT-Shop> I've looked at one done in python but it is very slow
[22:08:42] <ssi> ah
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[22:09:05] <ssi> I was messing around yesterday with the idea of doing a state machine parser for dxf
[22:09:11] <ssi> I don't really know enough about the format tho
[22:09:23] <ssi> and i was too covered up with regular work to dive into the spec
[22:14:11] <Praesmeodymium> my 2 cents about glowforge, looks like a simple laser etcher, other than the mac level user friendly and some fancy software for those cameras the underlying concept is old.
[22:14:34] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: yeah price is pretty good too
[22:14:46] <XXCoder> is there cheaper nonchinese lasers?
[22:15:53] <ssi> Praesmeodymium: the concept of laser cutters you mean? nothing groundbreaking at all
[22:15:59] <ssi> it's interesting what they're doing with the cameras tho
[22:17:19] <Praesmeodymium> and cutting leather they nake look super easy its not, and its also stinky and may or may not release some nasty depending on the tanning method and dyes
[22:17:35] <ssi> I haven't found and real specs on it yet but it sounds like it's a diode laser
[22:17:38] <ssi> it can't be that powerful
[22:17:52] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: yeah I dont think I plan to do any leather
[22:18:27] <ssi> honestly the more I read the more it sounds like vaporware
[22:18:34] <ssi> I don't think they've selected a tube tech yet
[22:20:15] <ssi> hm maybe I'm wrong
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[22:20:49] <Praesmeodymium> they have working models from the looks of it and that head could be a 2w laser or so I mean ya can jam a much larger bar diode in there with some lenses but something about that head shape reminds me of a 2w ir diode cutting thing I saw on ebay for 300$
[22:21:20] <XXCoder> interesting
[22:21:48] <ssi> yeah but a 2W diode isn't going to cut 1/4" plywood like they claim to
[22:21:55] <ssi> I'm sure they are using a 40W chinese tube
[22:22:10] <ssi> I found something that said the basic is 40W and the pro is 45W
[22:22:21] <ssi> but another thing they said was confusing was that the basic was certified as a class 1 laser product
[22:22:33] <ssi> and I didn't think you could have a 40W CO2 laser that was class 1
[22:23:11] <Praesmeodymium> I notice no real time cutting of cardbord. that shit is way tougher than most people realize when it comes to resisting a laser... oh the tube is shown across the back
[22:23:12] <XXCoder> does enclosure and protected mean can class 1 or does it depend on only strength of laser itself?
[22:23:12] <ssi> maybe they can consider it class 1 if all the necessary guards are in place and there's interlocks
[22:23:23] <ssi> XXCoder: yea that's what I was just thinking
[22:23:24] <Praesmeodymium> and I was wrong rewatching the vid
[22:23:50] <ssi> but that doesn't make sense either becaues they said the basic is class 1 and the pro is class 4... if the only difference was 40W vs 45W CO2 tube, there'd be no distinction in class
[22:24:13] <XXCoder> unless pro has MUCH less safe case. lol
[22:24:19] <XXCoder> honestly dunno
[22:24:21] <ssi> yeah but why would they do that
[22:24:40] <ssi> honestly the enclosures aren't that important
[22:24:44] <Praesmeodymium> 50% off preorder sale... thats som suspicous shit right there
[22:24:50] <ssi> I mean, they are for a commercial product like that because most people are idiots
[22:25:10] <ssi> but a running, aligned laser cutter doesn't pose much exposure risk other than actually sticking your hand in the beam
[22:25:13] <ssi> (which I did once)
[22:25:46] <Praesmeodymium> spckle from wood products under a 40w is certainly arc welding spot bright
[22:26:04] <ssi> eh maybe... it's tiny though
[22:26:10] <Praesmeodymium> I have a auto darkening shield in place on mine for that reason
[22:26:52] <Praesmeodymium> I wonder if it has air assist
[22:26:56] <XXCoder> im not too concerned about burns
[22:27:13] <enleth> Praesmeodymium: what kind of cardboard did you mean? I was cutting some corrugated cardboard on a chinese 40W and it cuts super fast and super clean
[22:27:16] <XXCoder> I'm VERY concerned about my eyes. I didnt get full senses array as you guys do lol
[22:27:36] <enleth> The edges are not burned at all, they look as if magic was used to disappear the rest of the sheet
[22:28:18] <Praesmeodymium> I was cutting something like the particle board of paper the heavy grey non corrugated stuff is tougher than acrylic by thickness
[22:28:59] <enleth> Ah, OK
[22:29:06] <enleth> This cuts worse than plywood
[22:30:34] <ssi> Praesmeodymium: doesn't look like it has air assist
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[22:30:46] <ssi> in one of the videos the smoke looked fairly undisturbed
[22:30:51] <ssi> and they don't mention anything about shop air
[22:31:09] <Praesmeodymium> thats gonna eat lenses
[22:31:09] <enleth> How does it prevent the lenses and mirrors from getting fogged?
[22:31:26] <XXCoder> know what
[22:31:35] <XXCoder> I bet you software is properity as hell
[22:31:42] <Praesmeodymium> for sure
[22:31:49] <ssi> oh I'm sure
[22:31:52] <enleth> XXCoder: as is the chinese crap
[22:32:07] <Praesmeodymium> I have a damn security dongle lol
[22:32:10] <enleth> The one I have needs a hardware key to work
[22:32:13] <enleth> yeah, this one
[22:32:15] <ssi> HAH
[22:32:17] <ssi> that's horrible
[22:32:24] <enleth> It's a piece of shit that returns a static ID
[22:32:28] <enleth> But still
[22:32:34] <enleth> And the software itself...
[22:32:38] <enleth> There are three packages
[22:32:40] <Praesmeodymium> no shit
[22:32:41] <XXCoder> I bet you its emulatable enleth
[22:32:47] <ssi> my machine ran on linuxcnc
[22:32:52] <XXCoder> expecially if youre on linux
[22:33:03] <ssi> 24x48" working area, 120W RECI
[22:33:03] <enleth> One is a Corel Draw plugin that gets everything backwards
[22:33:18] <enleth> Second one is a chinese pseudo-CAD with no English language
[22:33:42] <enleth> Third one is a chinese pseudo-CAD with English language, but the only vector format it can import is WMF
[22:33:49] <XXCoder> ssi: nice!
[22:34:01] <Praesmeodymium> moshidraw, the plugin for corel12, and I have something I cant remember the name of POS
[22:34:05] <ssi> I need to build another one
[22:34:17] <ssi> as soon as I get the money the bank owes me, I'm gonna start on it
[22:34:29] <enleth> Apparently what you do when you get a chinese laser is ditch the controls and retrofit your own
[22:34:30] <ssi> thinking about buying a 48x96" cncrouterparts motion kit and using that
[22:34:55] <Praesmeodymium> still have to do that part, but I have air assist now
[22:35:03] <ssi> or maybe I'll just do another 24x48" machine
[22:35:07] <ssi> it'd be a LOT simpler
[22:35:07] <enleth> Unfortunately, the one I have here was bough with European Union money so it needs to retain all warranty stickers for a year
[22:40:13] <XXCoder> anyway
[22:40:30] <XXCoder> is there any machines at 1k to 2k range that dont require me to rebuild?
[22:41:01] <ssi> you could scratchbuild one for 2k or so if you were really frugal
[22:41:09] <ssi> 40W tube and power supply is ~$200
[22:41:31] <XXCoder> the biggest problem is I wouldnt be able to run machine without enclosure and I suck on building
[22:41:43] <ssi> mirrors, mirror mounts, head, and lens is around $175
[22:41:59] <ssi> just get some laser goggles
[22:42:01] <ssi> $40
[22:42:16] <ssi> that's what I did... I wore the goggles while I was testing and aligning
[22:42:21] <ssi> and once it was running well, I quit wearing them
[22:42:45] <XXCoder> I would wear it at all times while its running
[22:42:53] <ssi> feel free
[22:43:02] <XXCoder> excepton is if its completely enclosed
[22:43:05] <XXCoder> and closed
[22:43:15] <ssi> also I built my machine out of aluminum extrusion, and the original plan was to put polycarbonate sheet in the slots
[22:43:19] <ssi> I even made a lid for it
[22:43:27] <ssi> but the polycarbonate never happened
[22:44:01] <XXCoder> does linuxcnc support stopping when lid is opened, assuming there is input
[22:44:09] <ssi> sure
[22:46:20] <XXCoder> gonna love hacker problem solving
https://imgur.com/gallery/dcdGJ
[22:46:28] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsiuo-fIIAAPOu0.jpg:large
[22:46:45] <XXCoder> I see the towers
[22:47:02] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsxx-rSIAAAnbro.jpg:large
[22:47:09] <ssi> I was trying to find a pic of the lid but I don't see one
[22:47:22] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs4lnp8IUAITlXH.jpg:large
[22:47:30] <ssi> htere you can see the lid in the background with lexan in it
[22:47:34] <ssi> with the protective sheeting still on it
[22:47:38] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:47:50] <XXCoder> it looks strightforward. how much was it
[22:47:57] <XXCoder> roughly
[22:48:02] <ssi> I dunno
[22:48:03] <ssi> a lot
[22:48:13] <ssi> https://vine.co/v/M26PDi1d1Z0
[22:48:21] <ssi> testing cheap safety glasses to see if they're laser safe
[22:48:56] <ssi> https://vine.co/v/M26P0FjeqAz
[22:48:59] <ssi> test firing the 40W
[22:49:19] <XXCoder> wow
[22:49:28] <ssi> https://vine.co/v/M2ttM75gljp
[22:49:34] <XXCoder> theres lots of laser diodes at aliexpress
[22:49:35] <ssi> there's the infamous video that made zeeshan hate me
[22:49:39] <XXCoder> those claim 500w and so on
[22:49:41] <DaViruz> just don't set anything on fire again ;)
[22:49:52] <ssi> DaViruz: well setting things on fire is sort of the point of the process
[22:50:05] <DaViruz> i suppose
[22:50:19] <XXCoder> ssi: I can turn that into perfectly seamless loop lol
[22:50:26] <ssi> XXCoder: my lasercut sextant:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvAkHSIIMAE9PxN.jpg:large
[22:50:35] <XXCoder> easy. just do one direction, then run it backwards
[22:50:41] <ssi> with 1 arcminute vernier scale:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvAkPmGIYAAbdEh.jpg:large
[22:50:42] <XXCoder> it will loop without break
[22:50:55] <XXCoder> nice!
[22:51:35] <XXCoder> ssi: just slow down last 2 frames so it dont suddenly jerk to right again
[22:51:37] <DaViruz> just beware of humidity changes ;)
[22:51:42] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwplQ4aIYAE0nCc.jpg:large
[22:51:48] <ssi> the 40W tube next to the 120W tube
[22:51:51] <XXCoder> also slow down first 2 frame and tweak timing a little
[22:51:55] <DaViruz> but that engraving looks pretty darn crisp
[22:51:59] <ssi> DaViruz: you measure the index error of a sextent on every reading
[22:52:04] <XXCoder> DaViruz: yeah!
[22:52:28] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwtW8w4CQAAJDh6.jpg:large
[22:52:43] <DaViruz> but what's up with the inner rings on the zeroes?
[22:52:46] <DaViruz> looks a tad offset
[22:53:01] <ssi> that's a good question
[22:53:02] <XXCoder> oh its not gif
[22:53:18] <ssi> I think it has to do with the order of the toolpaths
[22:53:24] <ssi> and the material may have moved sligchtly between
[22:53:31] <XXCoder> ssi: or repeatability issue
[22:53:33] <DaViruz> that'd do it
[22:53:53] <XXCoder> outer then while later inside for example, after long movement error built up?
[22:54:02] <ssi> yeah maybe
[22:54:08] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxXKXHtIIAAZJ_n.jpg:large
[22:54:12] <ssi> lazrcut speaker boxes
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[22:54:20] <ssi> I'm very proud of that design lol
[22:54:23] <XXCoder> nice
[22:54:31] <ssi> no glue
[22:54:36] <DaViruz> ssi: did you salvage any of the laser machine?
[22:54:40] <XXCoder> im pretty sure theres a way to test repeatability
[22:54:42] <ssi> I mean they'd be glued on assembly, but tehy fit tight like a puzzle
[22:54:46] <ssi> DaViruz: yeah!
[22:54:50] <ssi> the linuxcnc configs!
[22:54:52] <ssi> they're in git :D
[22:54:57] <DaViruz> :D
[22:55:03] <XXCoder> what happened to machine
[22:55:10] <XXCoder> oh fire?
[22:55:10] <ssi> there were some chunks of extrusion that didn't melt completely
[22:55:18] <ssi> and I found one end of the tube, and the inner resonator tube
[22:55:21] <XXCoder> yeah I remember you saying about fire
[22:55:50] <DaViruz> i keep two co2 extinguishers i my basement shop ever since..
[22:55:59] <ssi> I'm glad I could help :)
[22:56:06] <XXCoder> ssi: I noticed odd thing though. 6 has no hole
[22:56:07] <ssi> I have two extinguishers in my hangar too
[22:56:12] <XXCoder> makes it bit odd
[22:56:12] <ssi> XXCoder: yea I saw that too
[22:56:16] <ssi> could have been a sheetcam issue
[22:56:25] <ssi> or whatever I drew it in
[22:56:31] <XXCoder> it may be also reason for 0
[22:56:34] <ssi> yep
[22:56:55] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz3pFfnIEAAjxJd.jpg:large
[22:57:22] <XXCoder> do you put something under the mesh so it dont cut floor?
[22:57:39] <ssi> well, that's a sensitive subject :)
[22:57:41] <DaViruz> :D
[22:57:52] <XXCoder> lol
[22:58:26] <zeeshan> only fools need 1338ipm
[22:58:30] <ssi> the bed was 1/2" aluminum honeycomb (expensive shit!) sitting on 16ga expanded steel
[22:58:35] <ssi> zeeshan: DIAF
[22:58:39] <zeeshan> hahahahahaha
[22:58:52] <ssi> and then 20mm of air gap, and then 1/4" plywood on the bottom with a fan duct in it
[22:59:15] <ssi> and the cause of the fire was changing to a longer lens that caused a more focused spot on the plywood, and doing loooong cuts
[23:00:13] <XXCoder> ouch
[23:00:16] <ssi> originally I didn't have the expanded steel, the honeycomb sat directly on a piece of 1/4" ply that I lasercut a million 1" holes in, like a wood grating
[23:00:26] <ssi> and I was using short enough lenses that even that wasn't an issue
[23:01:02] <ssi> with a 1.5" or even 2" lens, it's diffuse enough after 1/2" to 3/4" beyond the focal point that there's not much power density
[23:01:47] <ssi> but start pushing 100W through a 4" lens at 2ipm, and you're putting a lot of energy in even 2" below the work
[23:02:29] <ssi> zeeshan:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0F0o0kCEAAX5XE.jpg:large it's been almost a year since I got the spindle in the vmc running
[23:06:08] <zeeshan> nice!
[23:06:15] <zeeshan> what vfd is thgat
[23:06:22] <ssi> zeeshan: 25hp hitachi
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[23:06:31] <zeeshan> nice
[23:06:32] <ssi> wj200 I think?
[23:06:37] <sector_0> hey guys
[23:06:49] <XXCoder> ssi: is there such material that can eat any laser and desperse with energy so it dont cut but dont heat to fire either
[23:06:50] <ssi> zeeshan: did you see the spins video I put up yesterday?!
[23:07:15] <sector_0> I'm building a corexy machine for light milling
[23:07:20] <zeeshan> no
[23:07:22] <zeeshan> link?
[23:07:23] <sector_0> my machine looks something like this
[23:07:23] <sector_0> http://designwiththemajority.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/gantryFull.jpg
[23:07:23] <ssi> XXCoder: metal
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[23:07:29] <ssi> zeeshan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5glC4r38UPM
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[23:07:44] <XXCoder> ssi: makes sense. up to a point I suppose?
[23:07:51] <XXCoder> can there be lasers that can cut metal?
[23:07:57] <sector_0> but the 2 y axis carriage unfortunately has a bit of slop so one moves a slight distance without the other
[23:08:01] <ssi> XXCoder: sure, but you can't afford them
[23:08:08] <XXCoder> for sure yeah
[23:08:17] <ssi> XXCoder: you need 1kw+ to cut metal
[23:08:19] <sector_0> I've decided to correct this problem by using a cross bar
[23:08:33] <sector_0> would epoxy be good enough to hold this in place?
[23:08:50] <XXCoder> I really need to get myself some 8020 or some extrusions
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[23:09:02] <sector_0> the bonding surface is approximately 1 square inch
[23:09:03] <ssi> XXCoder: 8020 is expensive... I use a lot of the 20mm stuff
[23:09:08] <XXCoder> I need something to surround my cnc router in very least.
[23:09:23] <sector_0> ...one either side
[23:09:40] <DaViruz> an acquaintance has a mazak x48 for sale, that'll do up to 10mm carbon steel, fairly reasonably priced at $15k
[23:10:17] <sector_0> I'm planning on create 2 cross bars, one at that connects to the back of each carriage and one that connects at the front of each carriage
[23:10:20] <DaViruz> it eats nitrogen gas like crazy though, both for the laser resonance chamber and for cutting gas
[23:10:31] <ssi> DaViruz:that's a good price
[23:10:53] <DaViruz> he's upgraded to a machine that'll cut 20mm stainless
[23:10:55] <ssi> what's the power on his?
[23:10:58] <DaViruz> that's pretty crazy for laser
[23:10:59] <ssi> the one I'm looking at is 2500W
[23:11:00] <DaViruz> i'm not sure
[23:11:20] <ssi> is that all up, running, control and everything?
[23:11:27] <DaViruz> yeah
[23:11:32] <ssi> shit maybe I need to just get that heh
[23:11:35] <ssi> where is it?
[23:11:38] <DaViruz> sweden ;)
[23:11:40] <ssi> doh
[23:11:43] <Tom_itx> pfft
[23:11:48] <DaViruz> http://www.blocket.se/dalarna/Laserskarmaskin_Mazak_X_48_62805047.htm?ca=9&w=3
[23:12:25] <ssi> uhm
[23:12:28] <ssi> that says $125k
[23:12:31] <ssi> that sounds WAY more in line
[23:12:40] <DaViruz> swedish kronor yes
[23:12:46] <ssi> ohh
[23:12:48] <enleth> ssi: holy crap that wiring in the VMC ,_,
[23:12:48] <DaViruz> 9 of those to a dollar
[23:13:04] <ssi> about 19k
[23:13:13] <ssi> enleth: haha it's on its way OUT in that picture
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[23:13:53] <enleth> I sure hope so
[23:13:53] <DaViruz> it's a beast of a machien though, id like to have it but i have nowhere to place it
[23:14:04] <ssi> yeah that's bigger than I'd like to have to deal with
[23:14:09] <ssi> BUT I'd make room for it at that price
[23:14:13] <DaViruz> ssi: but if you come and get it i'll give you a good deal on my vmc ;)
[23:14:15] <ssi> if it were anything like possible for me to move here heh
[23:14:44] <DaViruz> (that's equally unwieldy)
[23:16:54] <Contract_Pilot> Anyone want the path pilot torrent need seeds
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[23:17:07] <ssi> sure
[23:18:25] <Contract_Pilot> just dcc me your e-mail i will send it.
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[23:21:03] <Contract_Pilot> Torrent is slow.
[23:23:23] <ssi> I'm doing pretty well right now
[23:23:28] <ssi> especially with how horrible my internet is
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[23:27:09] <Contract_Pilot> Need 2 mesa 7I76's like yesterday going to be a long 3 weeks
[23:27:59] <PetefromTn_> kinda surprised Mesa is that far behind on boards
[23:28:20] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, 4 weks behind as of monday
[23:28:51] <PetefromTn_> glad I got my 5i25/7i77 awhile back for the lathe
[23:28:54] <Contract_Pilot> and I am bad at saving machine funds for that long when i have it i like to spend it.
[23:29:27] <Contract_Pilot> they ahve the 7I77's
[23:29:43] <PetefromTn_> well there ya go man...GO SERVO!!
[23:29:47] <ssi> PetefromTn_: :D hahah
[23:29:58] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[23:30:06] <Contract_Pilot> Cannot afford servo and machine already has steppers
[23:30:31] <Contract_Pilot> Teady to rewire.
[23:30:33] <ssi> is this for the g0704?
[23:30:47] <Contract_Pilot> My 12X36 lathe
[23:30:49] <ssi> ah
[23:31:24] <PetefromTn_> I miss my 12x36 lathe
[23:31:32] <ssi> I miss your 12x36 lathe too
[23:31:36] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[23:31:39] <ssi> that was a nice machine
[23:31:42] <PetefromTn_> that was a nice little machine
[23:31:47] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[23:31:48] <ssi> I'm super super happy with my sb10 tho
[23:31:54] <ssi> that was a GOOD FIND
[23:32:11] <PetefromTn_> once my CNC lathe is running I will probably grab a good deal on manual lathe locally
[23:32:19] <ssi> yeah
[23:32:25] <ssi> it's nice to have a manual around
[23:33:13] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, i been working on this for a year now.
[23:33:45] <Contract_Pilot> never will go mach again
[23:33:52] <ssi> Contract_Pilot: don't feel bad... I started converting my g0704 in 2009 and it's still not done
[23:34:15] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha my 704 is just awaiting screws to be turned.
[23:34:16] <PetefromTn_> hehe Mach SUX
[23:34:23] <Contract_Pilot> worked on it a little last night.
[23:34:44] <ssi> yeah I bought mach for my first machine, the plasma cutter
[23:35:14] <ssi> at the time that was a decent setup because I bought a candcnc torch height control that had mach screens for it
[23:35:26] <ssi> that's the only mach machine I've ever run
[23:35:49] <ssi> I went linuxcnc for the next one
[23:36:13] <Contract_Pilot> may need 3 of the 7I76's hahaha
[23:36:31] <Contract_Pilot> Right now for sure 2
[23:36:40] <Contract_Pilot> once for the lathe one for the mill.
[23:37:03] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure i want to start in on the other 2 sherlines
[23:37:19] <Contract_Pilot> But 1 would work with both of them.
[23:37:19] * ssi considers selling his on-hand 7i76s for a substantial profit
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[23:38:15] <ssi> samsung vr headsat for $99 ships november
[23:38:46] <ssi> Contract_Pilot: have you seen the GRT hud glasses?
[23:39:09] <Contract_Pilot> Nope
[23:39:13] <ssi> http://www.grtavionics.com/grtvision.html
[23:40:16] <Contract_Pilot> Cool but STC or TSO?
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[23:40:23] <MacGalempsy> well damn, neither of the touchprobes I bought seem to work...
[23:40:31] <ssi> you wear it on your head so I don't imagine it needs to be either :D
[23:40:41] <MacGalempsy> I wonder if they had been crashed before I got them
[23:40:43] <ssi> but it integrates with their efises which are experimental
[23:40:50] <Contract_Pilot> Right
[23:41:03] <Contract_Pilot> or a field approval hahaha
[23:41:09] <ssi> yeah good luck
[23:41:33] <Contract_Pilot> What luck just have to kave a good inspector..
[23:41:48] <ssi> yeah, which I do, and I imagine you do too
[23:41:59] <ssi> but even then it'll be tough cause the inspectors have oversight, and that's a pretty big one
[23:42:09] <ssi> grt actually has a "ga approved" efis now
[23:42:19] <ssi> http://www.grtavionics.com/mini-ga.html
[23:42:32] <ssi> but the way it's approved is the way the mount works, it's considered a portable
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[23:43:06] <ssi> but also, the way they do air data is probably going to be hard to do in a certified airplane legitimately
[23:43:12] <ssi> it would be easy to get away with, but it wouldn't be anything like legal
[23:44:11] <MacGalempsy> what do you guys think one of these things goes for?
http://www.renishaw.com/en/am250-metal-additive-manufacturing-3d-printing-system--15253
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[23:44:44] <ssi> god more than I could afford I'm sure
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[23:45:24] <MacGalempsy> just says >$250,000
[23:45:26] <MacGalempsy> heh
[23:45:30] <ssi> hahah
[23:45:34] <MacGalempsy> if you got to ask....
[23:45:38] <ssi> yep
[23:45:56] <MacGalempsy> the quality in the brochure is pretty amazing
[23:46:54] <MacGalempsy> i just hope they still repair these models of touchprobes
[23:47:06] <Wolf_> big macs look good on the order board as well…
[23:47:51] <Wolf_> :) that does look cool tho
[23:48:38] <MacGalempsy> the video shows a giant gas chamber on the right
[23:49:55] <Wolf_> damn just the powder feed looks $$$$$$
[23:50:24] <MacGalempsy> looks like it fills a long hopper then dumps and spreads
[23:51:19] <Wolf_> yup
[23:51:48] <MacGalempsy> the rendering video is pretty sweet
[23:52:36] <Wolf_> 250 mm × 250 mm build area, up to 365 mm deep lol same as my 3d printer…
[23:53:06] <MacGalempsy> yeah, so there is vacuum chamber that purges atmospher and brings in argon
[23:53:46] <MacGalempsy> it is not that much different than the kickstarter one
[23:53:52] <MacGalempsy> just on steroids
[23:54:06] <Wolf_> http://www.renishaw.com/en/metal-powders-supply--31458
[23:54:25] <Wolf_> amazing part is what it can make stuff out of
[23:55:08] <Contract_Pilot> Posted wanted ad's on nearly every cnc group i could find.
[23:55:11] <MacGalempsy> it would be interesting to see some stress testing on the parts
[23:55:47] <MacGalempsy> think you could get linuxcnc to operate that thing?
[23:55:52] <Wolf_> I think spaceX uses inconel printed rocket nozzles
[23:56:01] <Contract_Pilot> I have a lot of stuff to barter also.
[23:56:13] <PetefromTn_> jeez wth is going on with my connection today LOL
[23:56:53] <Contract_Pilot> my daily bandwith sesets in abotu 4 min
[23:57:16] <Contract_Pilot> I can allow 4 direct downloads of path pilot.
[23:57:44] <MacGalempsy> Contract_Pilot: so tell me about set up in PathPilot
[23:58:03] <MacGalempsy> easier than PNCCONF?
[23:58:06] <Contract_Pilot> I have not set it up yet.
[23:58:16] <Wolf_> really someone just needs to unpack the setup, probably shed about a gig of un-needed files
[23:58:17] <Contract_Pilot> More involved
[23:58:39] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, somone will make it work.
[23:58:46] <MacGalempsy> can you program a turret with it easier than lcnc?
[23:59:13] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure have no way to play as i need mesa cards
[23:59:32] <Contract_Pilot> leave the programming to the pros
[23:59:37] <MacGalempsy> what platform does it run on?
[23:59:47] <Contract_Pilot> Would be cool to see a small package
[23:59:56] <Contract_Pilot> Linux
