#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-24

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[00:01:23] <flyback> defintely one of the coolest tools we ever invented
[00:01:27] <flyback> bearing pullers
[00:01:44] <enleth> flyback: yeah, I do intend to buy the best bearings out there
[00:02:09] <flyback> at least for the stuff that takes 8 hrs to remove
[00:02:13] <flyback> mabye not everything
[00:02:29] <flyback> but defintely for the stuff you are going to end up swearing and smashing a thumb trying to replacde
[00:02:30] <flyback> :P
[00:03:00] <flyback> I got some nice blower units from discarded portable a/c units we wore out from work I need to change bearings on
[00:03:13] <enleth> flyback: I did not have one at hand, so I made one with some scrap wood and a pair of carpenter's clamps
[00:03:14] <flyback> blowers are almost all mint they just have tired bearings from running overheated
[00:03:19] <malcom2073> That reminds me, I need to replace the bearings on my heater blower before this winter heh
[00:03:42] <enleth> But it didn't do shit without few hours of penetrating oil and mallet usage
[00:03:46] <malcom2073> It has no bearings atm, just a steel shaft spinning on steel brackets atm, the belt tightness keeps it tight and stops it from rattling haha
[00:03:46] <enleth> *a few
[00:03:54] * Wolf_Mill needs to install heat in the house before the winter...
[00:04:00] <malcom2073> Yeah that's kinda important
[00:04:06] <enleth> malcom2073: funny, me too.
[00:04:14] <flyback> I just fixed my generator recentely but I might get a carb rebuilt kit even though it's only 1-2 yrs old
[00:04:24] <flyback> cause I left gas in it too long and the float fused to the bowel
[00:04:27] <flyback> btw
[00:04:27] <enleth> malcom2073: the blower is absurdly loud now
[00:04:30] <flyback> here's a tip
[00:04:37] <flyback> I found those plastic scouring pads
[00:04:44] <malcom2073> flyback: Convert to LPG :-D
[00:04:51] <flyback> are really good for rubbing corrosion burrs off metal
[00:04:56] <flyback> without sanding off a ton
[00:05:02] <malcom2073> flyback: The green ones?
[00:05:03] <flyback> I could it's 4 stroke
[00:05:05] <enleth> oooh, http://www.icai-online.com/ sells spare parts even for CNC 2J2 heads.
[00:05:06] <flyback> white ones
[00:05:28] <flyback> I got a 1400w gen on sale for $150
[00:05:42] <flyback> enough power to operate the gas furnace in winter was all I was trying to achieve
[00:05:51] <enleth> malcom2073: I saw an ad for a Honda RX-8 converted to LPG today. I
[00:06:04] <enleth> I'm not a car guy, but it still made me cringe.
[00:06:10] <flyback> why
[00:06:12] <malcom2073> That's all I needed, a generator to run my furnace pump, I have a 70's Onan 4kw, LPG parts were about $80 for the conversion, just had to mill an adapter for my intake and bolt everything together
[00:06:17] <flyback> propane runs consistant and clean
[00:06:25] <malcom2073> LPG doesn't make much sense on automobiles
[00:06:32] <malcom2073> Just because of the logistics of storage and transportation
[00:06:43] <flyback> little less power but they don't run generator engines full throttle anyways
[00:06:46] <malcom2073> And you know... danger :)
[00:06:56] <flyback> i'd do either dual gas propane/ng
[00:07:01] <flyback> or propane/ng/gasoline
[00:07:18] <malcom2073> Yeah get a tri-fuel kit so you can swap back and forth, mine bolts on the intake above the carb so I can still do gasoline if I wanted
[00:07:41] <furrywolf> note that here lpg costs more than gasoline
[00:07:50] <furrywolf> and thus you see exactly zero lpg vehicles.
[00:07:51] <flyback> I really like champion brand generators, american company they bought the china plant so they own and control it 100%
[00:08:02] <flyback> better quality than your standard chinease generator with a name bolted on
[00:08:13] <furrywolf> champion is garbage
[00:08:15] <Wolf_Mill> guess I need to finish this thing http://i.imgur.com/bZkSI6q.jpg
[00:08:29] <furrywolf> and generac is garbage too these days.
[00:08:42] <malcom2073> Oh man Wolf_Mill, at my work we have a 1.6L TDI turbo diesel that is gonna go up for auction
[00:08:49] <malcom2073> I'm gonna try to get it and make a generator off it
[00:08:53] <furrywolf> heh, the local costco sells generac-branded eu2000i clones... the in-warranty failure rate is staggering.
[00:08:58] <flyback> furrywolf, I dunno guy on youtube was renting them to people $40/day
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[00:09:05] <flyback> he was getting 4000 hrs out of champion ones
[00:09:12] <flyback> generac died after 500
[00:09:22] <flyback> and the champion still ran fine it was just good business idea to replace them
[00:09:36] <furrywolf> http://www.amazon.com/Generac-5793-Generator-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B002NKMG66 do not buy.
[00:09:48] <furrywolf> I think they've shipped out four pallets of them, 8 per pallet, this week alone...
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[00:10:06] <Contract_Pilot> Wish someone would trade me a mesa 7I76 5I25 combo for a bunch of AK-47 magazines
[00:10:26] <furrywolf> I don't have the mesa boards, and the mags get you tossed in jail here.
[00:10:31] <flyback> ah inverter type those are the best for most stable power and less gas usage but $$$$
[00:10:31] <malcom2073> Heh
[00:10:44] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha CA?
[00:10:57] <furrywolf> Contract_Pilot: of course. :P
[00:11:07] <Contract_Pilot> You can own them just not use them
[00:11:24] <furrywolf> the pile of those eu2000i clones in the back of costco is just plain scary.
[00:11:44] <furrywolf> they ship more of them back than just about every other product they sell, combined.
[00:11:57] <flyback> yeah some of the random gen brands ar epretty scary
[00:12:04] <flyback> although that 900w for $59 on sale
[00:12:10] <flyback> i'd gamble on one for that price
[00:12:19] <flyback> 2 stroke though
[00:12:38] <furrywolf> buy honda or yamaha. :P
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[00:12:47] <flyback> something that cheap you get one good outage or job run and it shits itself, paid in full
[00:12:55] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: Did I tell you I picked up a john deer push mower, the kind with swivel front wheels for free.....
[00:12:58] <flyback> but for everyday defintely like furrywolf said
[00:13:17] <Wolf_Mill> malcom2073: nope lol
[00:13:50] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: And a craftsman riding mower with a broken steering gear ($36 fix, probably fix that and trade for a snowblowder come spring). But the john deer is prime candidate for RC control!
[00:14:17] <Wolf_Mill> is it a walk behind or full push mower?
[00:14:35] <furrywolf> a used honda costs the same as a new china, and will still far outlast it.
[00:14:47] <flyback> http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/champion-power-equipment-1400w-1800w-portable-generator-carb-compliant
[00:14:49] <malcom2073> It's self propelled if that's what you're asking?
[00:15:17] <flyback> that's what she said?
[00:15:21] <malcom2073> heyohh
[00:15:32] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, what type tho, belt drive tank steer or homeowner type shove to steer
[00:15:42] <malcom2073> Hmmm, good question
[00:16:07] <furrywolf> heh, amazon reviews of the generac eu2000i clone are 45% 1-star.
[00:16:09] <malcom2073> I've not dug into it yet, it runs a little rough, he thinks he bent the crank, but I think he just sheared the crank key
[00:16:20] <furrywolf> and I think the other 55% reviewed it after only using it once.
[00:16:22] <Wolf_Mill> not that it matters if you go with electric motors to drive it
[00:16:46] <malcom2073> I figured I'd have to go electric, I didn't think about it being possible to use the self propelled thing to do it
[00:16:54] <Wolf_Mill> btw I have a spare set of 90deg wheelchair motors
[00:16:59] <malcom2073> Do ya now? :)
[00:17:32] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, seeing I have 2 full power chairs and a stripped down hoverround
[00:17:39] <malcom2073> Heh
[00:18:30] <Wolf_Mill> your dad is in carroll co?
[00:18:38] <flyback> champion used a licenced clone of a mitbushi engine
[00:18:43] <malcom2073> Yeah, Westminster
[00:19:01] <flyback> I did months of research after a big 16 hr outage in winter
[00:19:07] <Wolf_Mill> oh cool, like 20-30mins up the road from here
[00:19:12] <malcom2073> Nice not far
[00:19:19] <malcom2073> I thought you were further south
[00:19:33] <Wolf_Mill> nope like 14miles south
[00:19:51] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5235979014.html what should I spend for one of those?
[00:19:59] <malcom2073> Heh. We may have to work something out, I'll figure out if this mower is even usable
[00:20:22] <flyback> nice
[00:20:23] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Someone else here was looking at those
[00:20:29] <malcom2073> Or maybe it was you
[00:20:39] <flyback> furrywolf, did I ever show you french river hydro's score
[00:20:44] <Wolf_Mill> I have enough shit in the shop that we could build a rc w/ electric motors from scratch
[00:20:53] <flyback> compant that refurbs abandoned hydroelectric plants
[00:21:08] <flyback> and sells the power or they sell the plant or if the plant needs to be removed they salvage generators, turbines etc
[00:21:09] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: I have a couple spare ardupilots if you want to turn your mower into a rover :P
[00:21:18] <flyback> they got this lathe or mill can't remember now
[00:21:18] <furrywolf> malcom2073: it was me. :P
[00:21:25] <flyback> it's like the size of a building
[00:21:46] <flyback> like smoothing the teeth on one of the gears is a 3 man 3 month job etc
[00:21:49] <flyback> but I guess it was worth it
[00:21:51] <Wolf_Mill> malcom2073: I am going to do 2.4ghz fpv w/ 433uhf control on the mower
[00:22:17] <malcom2073> Ah nice
[00:22:42] <flyback> http://www.frenchriverland.com/
[00:22:46] <malcom2073> I figured I'd buy a cheap FPV setup, and use the 2.4ghz ardupilot link. I have a30ft tower on my house
[00:22:50] <flyback> terrorified of those abandoned hydro pics
[00:22:58] <flyback> with like dark green water and machinery
[00:23:02] <flyback> I have nightmares :P
[00:23:07] <furrywolf> I still haven't gotten a good idea on what one of those lathes is worth.
[00:23:37] <renesis> one million dollars
[00:23:46] * renesis pinkie to chin
[00:24:14] <furrywolf> ?
[00:24:28] <renesis> omfg youve never seen austin powers?
[00:24:49] <Wolf_Mill> furry lives under a rock or something
[00:24:53] <flyback> furrywolf, http://picasaweb.google.com/105306284585352493396/NilesBoringMillRebuild?authkey=Gv1sRgCJzpsZ_soJGCIw&gsessionid=JZXsNHt8fGjpjQ_bYYPQFA
[00:24:53] <renesis> srsly
[00:25:22] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Doesn't have enough bandwidth to watch netflix
[00:25:35] <renesis> austin powers happened before the internet
[00:25:40] <flyback> I guess that old dinosaur is worth the $$
[00:25:40] <furrywolf> I've seen bits of it at people's houses. looked utterly idiotic.
[00:25:41] <renesis> slightly
[00:25:42] <flyback> rebuilding it
[00:26:07] <renesis> flyback: clausing is supposed to be good shit, ive seen them in two academic labs which basically means theyre tanks
[00:26:22] <flyback> clusing?
[00:26:33] <flyback> clausing
[00:26:48] <renesis> http://www.clausing-industrial.com/
[00:26:55] <flyback> oh they make that boring machine?
[00:27:04] <furrywolf> I think renesis meant to address me.
[00:27:07] <flyback> ah
[00:27:10] <renesis> theyre ancient they probably make everything
[00:27:14] * flyback smacks renesis
[00:27:20] <malcom2073> My mill is a Clausing/Kondia
[00:27:24] <renesis> flyback: mfkr
[00:27:27] <renesis> also, hi
[00:27:31] <flyback> furrywolf, what do you think of that beast?
[00:27:38] <flyback> 120 niles boring machine
[00:34:28] <Tom_itx> learned about contour tool just now :)
[00:34:33] <Tom_itx> in SW
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[00:35:01] <tiwake> would linuxCNC make a good controller for a car for its normal functions?
[00:35:23] <tiwake> things like the throttle, dash gauges, sensors... etc.
[00:35:28] <Tom_itx> i doubt it
[00:35:37] <malcom2073> Lol
[00:35:40] <zeeshan> hehe
[00:35:47] <malcom2073> Make a good? No, could it? Sure
[00:35:48] * Tom_itx smacks zeeshan
[00:35:52] <zeeshan> hi
[00:35:55] <Tom_itx> how many parts are done?
[00:36:03] <tiwake> why would it not be good for that?
[00:36:04] <zeeshan> not touching em till friday
[00:36:04] <zeeshan> :P
[00:36:12] <Tom_itx> i've done about 12-14 parts in SW / catia now
[00:36:17] <zeeshan> nice
[00:36:21] <Tom_itx> learning
[00:36:24] <zeeshan> hows it working out
[00:36:26] <Tom_itx> and learning the differences
[00:36:27] <Tom_itx> good
[00:36:59] <Tom_itx> trying to pick up on the 'tricks' that speed things up
[00:37:33] <zeeshan> heres one
[00:37:40] <zeeshan> when applying assembly constraints in solidworks
[00:37:46] <zeeshan> place the first constraint
[00:37:46] <Tom_itx> and how to draw them so you can get all the features you want from one flat sketch if possible
[00:37:47] <zeeshan> place the second
[00:37:50] <zeeshan> right after the second
[00:37:53] <zeeshan> within 1second
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[00:37:59] <Tom_itx> i'm not doing assemblies yet
[00:38:02] <zeeshan> you gotta press the right click button
[00:38:07] <Tom_itx> i've done a couple but not right now
[00:38:08] <zeeshan> it'll hit "apply"
[00:38:12] <zeeshan> rather than having to go find the apply key
[00:38:27] <zeeshan> yea hole tool
[00:38:29] <zeeshan> is one important one
[00:38:32] <zeeshan> dont just draw a hole :P
[00:38:42] <zeeshan> drives me insane at work
[00:38:47] <zeeshan> so many people still draw holes manually?
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[00:39:41] * furrywolf still drills holes manually, having yet to find a cad/cam solution
[00:39:45] <Tom_itx> what menu is that on?
[00:39:47] <furrywolf> get your lumps all done?
[00:40:00] <zeeshan> the assembly thing ?
[00:40:04] <Tom_itx> hole
[00:40:17] <zeeshan> right next to extruded cut
[00:40:21] <Tom_itx> i may not have all the 'new' features... i'm using an ancient ver
[00:40:23] <zeeshan> in features command menu
[00:40:25] <zeeshan> oh
[00:40:27] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Is your machine running?
[00:40:31] <zeeshan> not sure :(
[00:40:32] <malcom2073> I thought it was still um... palletized?
[00:40:34] <zeeshan> furrywolf: hush :P
[00:40:53] <Tom_itx> there _is_ a hole wizzard
[00:41:14] <zeeshan> thats what i mean
[00:41:30] <furrywolf> zeeshan: did you at least get the five you pasted the other day done? :P
[00:41:37] <Tom_itx> that looks more involved than just drawing it
[00:41:38] <zeeshan> long done
[00:41:41] <zeeshan> im done 10
[00:41:42] <zeeshan> since that
[00:41:52] <furrywolf> malcom2073: it's fully functional, but I haven't built the electronics enclosure yet, and all the drives, etc are sitting loose next to the machine, waiting for chips to land on them.
[00:42:00] <zeeshan> im not posting anything
[00:42:03] <zeeshan> cause its just production work
[00:42:11] <furrywolf> well, not fully, as I still don't have spindle encoders yet.
[00:42:12] <zeeshan> pics of the same thing over and over isn't attention grabbing :P
[00:42:19] <Tom_itx> zeeshan what ver SW are you using?
[00:42:22] <furrywolf> how long is each batch of 5 taking?
[00:42:26] <zeeshan> 2015
[00:42:28] <malcom2073> Ah gotcha heh
[00:42:30] <malcom2073> Sounds safe
[00:42:37] <Tom_itx> i've got access to it but not using that
[00:42:48] <zeeshan> furrywolf: about 3hrs
[00:42:53] <zeeshan> ive optimized the time down
[00:43:01] <zeeshan> might be able to put it down to 2h 15m
[00:43:08] <zeeshan> its a good profit
[00:43:14] <zeeshan> but im still recovering from all the development time i spent
[00:43:19] <zeeshan> and cam programming etc
[00:43:20] <furrywolf> that's not bad for 5 at a time.
[00:43:29] <zeeshan> after the first 20
[00:43:31] <zeeshan> ill be happy
[00:43:38] <furrywolf> don't forget to deduct contractor consultation payments from your profit. :P
[00:43:55] <zeeshan> i already sent you $1.50 zimbawan dollars
[00:45:06] <furrywolf> meh. I should draw the line at helping people who are going to make money off what I help them with.
[00:45:07] <furrywolf> I like helping people, but if they're going to get rich off it...
[00:45:15] <Tom_itx> i tried the wizzard just now...
[00:45:25] <Tom_itx> if i can remember it's there i might use it
[00:45:31] <zeeshan> furrywolf: don't help then :P
[00:45:37] <zeeshan> and i don't meant to put your help down
[00:45:39] <zeeshan> but i can figure it out on my own
[00:45:48] <zeeshan> with or without you i woulda gotten it done
[00:46:05] <zeeshan> i like to ask other people's opinions to see if my method takes long
[00:46:09] <zeeshan> i do this for almost anything i do
[00:46:13] <zeeshan> cause im not a stubborn bastard
[00:46:21] <Tom_itx> i don't mine.. i may need help making profit some day too
[00:46:23] <furrywolf> lol
[00:46:25] <Tom_itx> mind*
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[00:46:41] <furrywolf> I've given up on ever making a profit doing anything remotely interesting.
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[00:46:51] <zeeshan> furrywolf: talk less
[00:46:54] <zeeshan> do more
[00:46:57] <zeeshan> youre smart enough
[00:47:25] <furrywolf> right now I can hardly do ANYTHING. that's why I'm on IRC. heh.
[00:47:29] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: exactly
[00:47:32] <zeeshan> it goes both ways
[00:47:44] <Tom_itx> just so you don't make more than me :)
[00:47:51] <zeeshan> ive honestly put my pride away
[00:47:58] <zeeshan> if people think me asking for help is me being clueless
[00:48:02] <zeeshan> boy are they screwing themself
[00:48:03] <zeeshan> haha
[00:48:17] <Tom_itx> i don't mind sharing my life experience if it can help somebody
[00:48:18] <zeeshan> when im clueless, i let you know :)
[00:48:30] <furrywolf> if I share my life experiences, people tell me to stop talking. :P
[00:48:42] <zeeshan> not your in bed experiences mate
[00:48:42] <zeeshan> !
[00:48:47] <Tom_itx> well i try to keep mine within the limits of the current topic
[00:48:48] <Tom_itx> usually
[00:49:02] <zeeshan> sometimes you just need someone to talk to
[00:49:09] <zeeshan> and share ideas with
[00:49:11] <furrywolf> actually, I'm pretty sure I've never shared any in-bed experiences.
[00:50:41] <Tom_itx> nor have we asked
[00:51:34] <zeeshan> hehe
[00:53:24] <furrywolf> oh well, I'll probably keep helping. /me is too nice.
[00:56:14] * malcom2073 goes off to find a funny out of context quote from furrywolf to use in this instance
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[00:58:22] <renesis> zeeshan was probably referring to the dildo and sex equipment comments
[00:58:36] <renesis> tho zee has posted dildo projects before, so shrug
[00:59:16] <furrywolf> right now he's making long curvy objects people stick in their mouths... :P
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[01:00:44] <renesis> hes just making the battery part
[01:00:56] <renesis> you have to buy the attachment to put in your mouth
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[01:10:57] <flyback> man they really did a sloppy job in ironman 3
[01:11:22] <flyback> im fine with the whole mutant people being able to melt metal with body heat
[01:11:26] <flyback> but
[01:11:33] <flyback> THEY WOULD BE NAKED by then
[01:11:54] <Wolf_Mill> what if its inductived heat
[01:12:09] <flyback> I can't stand movies that don't obey their own laws of physics
[01:12:14] <flyback> it's so sloppy
[01:13:00] <Wolf_Mill> I just try to be entertained and not pay attention to the small details
[01:13:21] <Wolf_Mill> else all movies start sucking
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[01:15:02] <furrywolf> I just sent the guy with the lathes an email asking how badly he wants one of them gone. will see what he says...
[01:15:14] <malcom2073> flyback: You must not enjoy many movies
[01:15:24] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Terrible poker face
[01:16:09] <flyback> i dunno the better ones usually follow their own rules
[01:16:23] <flyback> star trek reboot, avengers, etc
[01:17:12] <malcom2073> "More People Have Died in Picture-Taking Attempts Than Shark Attacks in 2015, Report Says" bwahahaha
[01:17:31] <malcom2073> There was a disappointing lack of reversing the polarity in the new star treks
[01:18:58] <flyback> yeah some chick did a selfie off a steep cliff edge
[01:19:00] <furrywolf> someone dragged me to the first new star trek. I haven't seen any of the others.
[01:19:07] <flyback> lost her balance
[01:19:31] <malcom2073> furrywolf: You don't seem like the kind of guy who can suspend disbelief
[01:19:44] <malcom2073> Adequatly enough to enjoy such a movie
[01:20:27] * flyback snickers
[01:21:09] <furrywolf> I don't like movies in general.
[01:21:23] <furrywolf> I'd much rather actually do something, or learn something.
[01:23:20] <malcom2073> I dispise learning
[01:24:10] <PetefromTn_> Okay folks crankin up the anodizing line here and getting to use my NEW black color pot and hotplate WOOHOO YEEHAW HOTCHACHACHACHA
[01:24:37] <malcom2073> I thought you gave up on that and decided to send parts out?
[01:25:03] <PetefromTn_> no man
[01:25:04] * Wolf_Mill needs a anodizing setup...
[01:25:09] <PetefromTn_> only if there is a lot of em.
[01:25:29] <malcom2073> Ah ok
[01:26:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have actually done several rails recently and other than one screw up they all came out pretty good!
[01:26:23] <PetefromTn_> wanna see a pic? ;)
[01:26:25] <furrywolf> good :)
[01:26:27] <malcom2073> Yep
[01:26:31] <malcom2073> I saw the pic of three earlier
[01:26:36] <furrywolf> did you ever get a working current meter instead of my half-assed shunt?
[01:26:55] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/H7dRjUG.jpg
[01:27:01] <malcom2073> Nice
[01:27:04] <malcom2073> Lookin good
[01:27:11] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf no actually I like the half asses shunt
[01:27:33] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/XmA6JNt.jpg
[01:27:54] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/uo7H2Ew.jpg
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[01:29:15] <furrywolf> you trust it more than I do. :)
[01:29:34] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[01:29:40] <PetefromTn_> you want a real laugh
[01:29:55] <PetefromTn_> I honestly am just setting the knobs for what worked last time.
[01:30:12] <PetefromTn_> I can't even remember what the reading on the meter is supposed to be anymore
[01:30:19] <malcom2073> lol
[01:30:22] <PetefromTn_> because I did not write it down like an azzhole
[01:30:23] <furrywolf> a tried-and-true method of getting reproducable results... until you change some part of the equipment or process. :)
[01:30:26] <PetefromTn_> but hey I live there
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[01:30:50] <furrywolf> looks nice and black. tried and UV-fade tests or anything?
[01:30:54] <furrywolf> s/and/any
[01:31:03] <PetefromTn_> nope
[01:31:15] <PetefromTn_> if it fades hell I will do it again for em ;)
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[01:32:33] <malcom2073> Now that's service! :P
[01:32:41] <PetefromTn_> yessir
[01:34:46] <PetefromTn_> I am to please :D
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[01:38:01] * furrywolf shares an in-bed experience
[01:38:30] <malcom2073> Well that was inappropriate
[01:38:41] <furrywolf> I got a timer that turns on a light in my bedroom, to see if it works any better than my beep-beep alarm clock... but the timer can't bring the inverter out of sleep mode. I need to invent a timer for the inverter now.
[01:39:09] <furrywolf> I'm thinking some kind of dc-powered timer turning on a relay that turns on a load on the inverter to get it out of sleep mode.
[01:42:14] <SpeedEvil> you don't have a house DC bus?
[01:43:45] <furrywolf> I do.
[01:43:55] <furrywolf> but wiring things to it is more work.
[01:49:01] <PetefromTn_> Anyone use these DMM servos on a machine?
[01:49:19] <PetefromTn_> http://www.dmm-tech.com/Dyn4_main.html
[01:51:47] <PetefromTn_> they look pretty good and have the specs I am after
[01:53:23] <Tom_itx> you didn't like the one from automation..?
[01:53:34] <PetefromTn_> well honestly
[01:53:47] <PetefromTn_> my pal Art who is the electronics guru has been looking at it with mme
[01:54:14] <PetefromTn_> and he said that the setup is kinda screwy with that additional high voltage module
[01:54:24] <Tom_itx> oh
[01:54:42] <PetefromTn_> and the drives do not appear to show anything other than step and direction control but honestly it is hard to weed thru here
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[01:56:19] <Tom_itx> do they have a motor matched to it?
[01:56:26] <PetefromTn_> honestly I have not ruled it out yet but I am looking at all options
[01:56:30] <PetefromTn_> who?
[01:56:44] <Tom_itx> the dyn link
[01:56:54] <Tom_itx> dmm
[01:56:57] <PetefromTn_> they sell motors drives etc.
[01:57:07] <PetefromTn_> and yeah they pair appropriate models together
[01:57:20] <Tom_itx> what's the combo cost?
[01:57:26] <PetefromTn_> the one I am looking at is the 86M DHT model
[01:57:34] <PetefromTn_> not entirely sure yet
[01:58:07] <PetefromTn_> but IF the motor needs the high voltage class drive that would be the DYN4 model and it is 314 dollars
[01:58:12] <PetefromTn_> the motor I need is 278
[01:58:26] <PetefromTn_> plus cabling and whatever else is necessary to run them
[01:58:38] <PetefromTn_> plus shipping from CANUK land
[01:59:11] <Tom_itx> what part of the lathe is this for?
[01:59:41] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[01:59:51] <Tom_itx> or is it for your lathe?
[02:00:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is for the Standard Modern
[02:00:07] <PetefromTn_> both axis drives and motors
[02:00:14] <PetefromTn_> so double what it costs
[02:00:38] <Tom_itx> does it have a good spindle motor?
[02:00:46] <PetefromTn_> it does now LOL
[02:00:54] <PetefromTn_> I bought that motor awhile back
[02:01:35] <PetefromTn_> still sitting in the box
[02:01:40] <PetefromTn_> 7.5hp
[02:01:47] <Tom_itx> what drives it?
[02:02:06] <PetefromTn_> gonna use the same Hitachi Sensorless Vector I used on the Cincinatti
[02:05:14] <PetefromTn_> Looking like its gonna cost me somewhere between 2.5 and 3k to get it all done...
[02:05:18] <PetefromTn_> that is gonna hurt
[02:05:40] <Tom_itx> better start pumping out the scope mounts
[02:05:40] <PetefromTn_> but I NEED a CNC lathe over here and I think I can make at least some of that back pretty quickly once it is alive
[02:05:54] <PetefromTn_> Machine is running as we speak :D
[02:06:10] <PetefromTn_> I don't ONLY make scope mounts ya know
[02:06:16] <Tom_itx> what's spindle time on one?
[02:06:24] <PetefromTn_> a scope mount?
[02:06:27] <Tom_itx> uh huih
[02:06:32] <PetefromTn_> depends
[02:06:41] <PetefromTn_> I make like six different flavors
[02:06:45] <PetefromTn_> for two different guns
[02:06:58] <PetefromTn_> but generally it is about an hour to an hour and a half or so
[02:07:05] <PetefromTn_> actual spindle time
[02:07:19] <PetefromTn_> then a bit of hand deburring and brush finishing etc.
[02:07:23] <PetefromTn_> then anodizing
[02:07:45] <PetefromTn_> it would be nice if I had LOTS of orders for them but mostly it comes and goes.
[02:07:45] <Tom_itx> so ~4hrs per part complete
[02:07:49] <PetefromTn_> last week was CRAZY
[02:07:59] <PetefromTn_> oh hell no
[02:08:10] <PetefromTn_> well unless you include anodizing time
[02:08:20] <Tom_itx> that's part of complete :)
[02:08:21] <PetefromTn_> which is me just sitting on the couch watching TV
[02:08:52] <PetefromTn_> I agree it is but I only really count time that I am actually having to do something
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[02:09:14] <PetefromTn_> it is basically about two to two and a half hours of my time to make one complete
[02:09:29] <Tom_itx> you should add a cycle timer to your axis screen
[02:09:33] <PetefromTn_> I could probably speed that up if I really wanted to
[02:09:51] <PetefromTn_> but I don't sell enough of them to go crazy with it yet.
[02:10:08] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshot.png
[02:10:11] <PetefromTn_> I have already made a LOT of improvements to the program and cut out a bunch of air cuts
[02:10:18] <Tom_itx> that shows overall time and individual cycle times
[02:10:20] <Tom_itx> per tool
[02:10:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know
[02:10:32] <PetefromTn_> looks good
[02:10:58] <PetefromTn_> I have the cycle time figured out pretty good for each program and I have actually put it in the header
[02:11:01] <Tom_itx> might help you decide if you're charging enough machine time
[02:11:18] <PetefromTn_> because often I have to decide if I have enough time to run something before I gotta go pickup my kids or something.
[02:11:24] <Tom_itx> is the cam pretty accurate judging the time?
[02:11:37] <PetefromTn_> I don't rely on it really
[02:11:44] <Tom_itx> i've never bothered to set mine up for that
[02:11:45] <PetefromTn_> I time it myself when it is running
[02:11:47] <Tom_itx> it will do it..
[02:11:57] <PetefromTn_> I am sure mine will too
[02:12:08] <PetefromTn_> but I don't really care to bother with it.
[02:12:26] <Tom_itx> done about 15 parts in SW and CATIA now..
[02:12:30] <Tom_itx> learning quite a bit
[02:12:32] <PetefromTn_> Like I said my programs are pretty well optimized now especially with the floating stop idea you gave me ;)
[02:12:42] <PetefromTn_> Solidworks is amazing really
[02:12:48] <PetefromTn_> Wish I could afford it
[02:12:49] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[02:12:51] <Tom_itx> catia is alot like it
[02:13:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah its even more ludicrously expensive
[02:13:06] <Tom_itx> same company owns both
[02:13:26] <PetefromTn_> hang on a sec I gotta go warm up my die and sealer baths here.
[02:13:30] <Tom_itx> i never priced the windows ver but i know what my bud gave for a seat on unix
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[02:18:29] <PetefromTn_> Steyr Picatinny rail seems to be percolating nicely ;)
[02:19:59] <PetefromTn_> Love watching Star Trek while my CNC is making me money can't wait to get my CNC lathe working so I can do it with that baby too hehe
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[02:39:47] <PetefromTn_> Anyone know if Delta Brand Drill presses are Chinese?
[02:40:01] <Tom_itx> they didn't used to be
[02:40:15] <Tom_itx> they probably are now like everything else
[02:40:16] <PetefromTn_> I am talking about the newer ones
[02:40:33] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/5236318340.html
[02:43:36] <renesis> i bet they are, but the wood shop stuff i had at exjob didnt feel chinese
[02:43:56] <renesis> we had bigass table saw and band saw
[02:45:02] <renesis> wait no, the table saw was jet
[02:45:20] <renesis> just the band saw was delta and it wasnt as awesome really
[02:47:06] <PetefromTn_> I was just under the impression that the newer ones were chinese. They certainly LOOK chinese to me
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[02:47:56] <renesis> i think they are, but the QC is definitely above average compared to like, department store china crap
[02:48:55] <renesis> like, some clamp for the gate assembly got wonky and we had to shim it, but i think because someone over tightened
[02:49:30] <PetefromTn_> OK
[02:49:35] <renesis> but the machine itself, like the blade guides and controls felt nice
[02:55:12] <furrywolf> all Delta is chinese now.
[02:55:24] <furrywolf> and it's the cheapest chinese crap you can find.
[02:56:27] <furrywolf> as in, you might as well just go with harbor freight or grizzly.
[02:56:56] <PetefromTn_> It's funny you mention that
[02:57:23] <PetefromTn_> when I worked in the Pro woodshop the last one I was in they had bought a Grizzly Drill press.
[02:57:40] <PetefromTn_> It was quite large and had a very large base and large flat table
[02:57:53] <furrywolf> my new delta bench grinder lasted less than an hour. someone I knew had a new delta planer, a new delta band saw, a new delta jointer, and a new delta scroll saw... average life about an hour each.
[02:58:00] <PetefromTn_> I have no idea what it cost but that was actually one of the nicest drill presses I have used
[02:58:36] <Wolf_Mill> grizzly stuff is good bang for the buck
[02:58:39] <PetefromTn_> the only Delta tool I have ever owned was an open ended wide drum sander
[02:58:52] <PetefromTn_> and it was honestly pretty decent for what it was
[02:59:05] <furrywolf> the switch caught fire in his band saw, a gear stripped in the jointer, a linkage/bearing thing self-destructed in the scroll saw (and obviously due to design, not abuse or defect), and I don't remember what broke on the planer.
[02:59:05] <PetefromTn_> I made a BUNCH of cabinet doors in my home shop on that machine
[02:59:18] <PetefromTn_> once you figured out how to work with it I found it quite consistent
[02:59:29] <furrywolf> old delta was high-quality US-made tools. new delta is low-quality china-made tools.
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[03:00:07] <furrywolf> they got bought by black&decker.
[03:00:14] <PetefromTn_> http://www.woodworkersguildofga.org/blahdocs/uploads/dscn2077_7958.jpg this is what it looked like.
[03:01:06] <furrywolf> and "reposisitioned" as low-cost crap.
[03:01:06] <furrywolf> repositioned
[03:01:06] * furrywolf is doing two things at once, negatively affecting typing
[03:01:56] <furrywolf> b&d owns a scaringly large percentage of brands these days.
[03:03:24] <Wolf_Mill> one step closer :) http://i.imgur.com/Df3BhTF.jpg
[03:03:38] <furrywolf> dewalt, delta, porter-cable, mac, matco, stanley, husky, bostitch, proto, blackhawk, oldham, kwikset, devilbiss, price-pfister, ummm..... I'm sure there's tons more, and I might have added one or two to that list, but it's scary.
[03:05:53] <furrywolf> I was talking to one of the managers at a local hardware store a bit ago, and he said he could no longer source ANY US-made table saws. he wanted to, but couldn't. with b&d buying everyone, there was not a single table saw made in the US he could get.
[03:08:07] <furrywolf> they have a policy of trying to only stock quality tools...
[03:08:24] <furrywolf> oh, and you can't get german-made either. Bosch is chinese now too.
[03:10:35] <Wolf_Mill> all the millwaulkee tools are made in china now as well, they use to be made in taiwan at least, good side is the battery cells are made in korea
[03:12:18] <furrywolf> apparantly in 2014 Unisaw moved to taiwan, and that was the last US-made table saw.
[03:12:55] <furrywolf> I've also learned it's impossible to buy US-made locking pliers.
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[03:13:47] <Connor> Wolf_Mill: What's with the black part on the base? You raising the column up ?
[03:14:17] <Wolf_Mill> adapter for the current column
[03:14:27] <Connor> Current Column?
[03:14:27] <Wolf_Mill> right now I have a sieg x1
[03:15:01] <Connor> You piece milling a machine together?
[03:15:10] <Wolf_Mill> we figured out while BSing around in here that the base is for a x2
[03:16:30] <Wolf_Mill> I might swap out the floppy x1 column and headstock (MT2) for a hitorque solid column and a X2 R8 headstock
[03:17:10] <Connor> I'm not sure that's a X2
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[03:17:38] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.siegind.com/products_detail/&productId=43.html
[03:17:43] <fenn> i'll sell you some US-made locking pliers :P
[03:18:26] <fenn> http://www.littleshavers.com/Plierspage.html
[03:18:38] <Connor> Looked a bit bigger in the photo..
[03:19:19] <Wolf_Mill> 1204 ball screw on it to give a ref point
[03:19:27] <Connor> ok
[03:21:06] <furrywolf> fenn: vise-grip style. :P
[03:22:22] <fenn> vise grips really don't seem that hard to make, so i can only guess that there is not any demand
[03:23:39] <furrywolf> I'm planning on spending $40 for a spanish-made pair. the chinese ones are GARBAGE. even the ones with the vise-grip name on them. they're better than many of the other chinese brands, but barely usable.
[03:25:17] <fenn> there are a bunch of "made in usa" irwin vise-grips on ebay, not sure if they still make those or it's a premium product or old stock or what
[03:26:12] <furrywolf> there's a lot of old stock floating around
[03:27:10] <Wolf_Mill> sadly to get good tools you need to go old stock, yard sales or fleamarket
[03:27:30] <furrywolf> I haven't found any vise grips at yard sales all summer!
[03:27:51] <Wolf_Mill> probably banned in calif
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[03:30:07] <furrywolf> I can't believe it's impossible to make tools in the US... so I can only believe it's all about stuffing more money in executives' pockets. since somehow moving production to china never lowers the price of the tool.
[03:30:30] <Wolf_Mill> yay... new mill table has to come out to setup the X ball screw... and the table is covered in red china snot
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[03:34:07] <Contract_Pilot> Looks like my DM8010 Drivers use Simmilar Circuitry as the Leadshine M542 IRF540 / 9540 osfets but a 10A 4010LS2 SCR and 80V
[03:41:42] <fenn> i thought about making a bunch of kant-twist style clamps out of steel plate and bar stock, it doesn't look that hard
[03:44:11] <fenn> especially if you have a plasma cutter to cut the plate
[03:45:01] <Wolf_Mill> could... least the kant-twists are usa made :D so I'll just buy them
[03:45:14] <Wolf_Mill> unless I want some monster sized ones
[03:46:57] <fenn> it would also be fun to make a 3-point lever like vise grips, but using the construction style of a kant-twist clamp
[03:47:35] <fenn> i'm not really a fan of the t-handle, too poky
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[03:48:21] <furrywolf> kant-twists aren't nearly as quick or universal as vise-grips
[03:48:30] <furrywolf> vise-grips... the cause of, and solution to, stripped bolt heads. :)
[03:48:48] <fenn> o look a how-to video: http://youtu.be/rlvLUS2Lixc
[03:49:31] <fenn> i'm not saying it's a replacement for vise grips as a hand tool, only as a better more ergonomic and more efficient clamping mechanism than turning a screw thread under load
[03:49:57] <furrywolf> ... kant-twists also turn a screw thread under load.
[03:49:58] <furrywolf> lol
[03:50:03] <fenn> that's what i'm saying
[03:50:20] <fenn> use the vise grip locking mechanism instead of kant twist's simple nut and thread
[03:50:26] <furrywolf> ah
[03:50:36] <fenn> but build it out of thick plates with holes drilled in them
[03:51:23] <furrywolf> I've occasionally tossed around building a non-vise-grip-like locking mechanism using cams and roller bearings... haven't perfected it yet.
[03:52:08] <furrywolf> (or, more likely, needle bearings)
[03:53:21] <Wolf_Mill> giant kant twist with vicegrip type lock would kick ass for welding
[03:56:59] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxwell-boostcap-18-x-BCAP-2600-144-Farad-48V-Ultracapacitor-BoostCap-battery-/221894672329 anyone else need shiny ultracap modules? I guess he wasn't happy with the $160 I got mine for, and now is listing them buy-it-now instead of auction. :P
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[04:02:19] <flyback> $100 ship
[04:02:20] <flyback> hah
[04:02:35] <flyback> yeah do those things even have a definitive wear out cycle?
[04:02:54] <flyback> furrywolf, they are selling those to truckers in shitty winter usa states and probably other countries
[04:03:07] <furrywolf> that's shipping priority from alaska... it's not completely unreasonable.
[04:03:07] <flyback> they siphon juice off the battery slowly when the battery is too cold to start
[04:03:16] <flyback> then the whole thing dumps it's load into the starter at once
[04:03:22] <flyback> that bitch goes WTFBBQ
[04:03:27] <flyback> starts every time
[04:04:07] <flyback> I told some of you guys in other channels
[04:04:16] <flyback> for a test I don't remmeber who or when
[04:04:25] <flyback> but they added a supercap circuit to a electric car
[04:04:46] <flyback> just from being able to capture more braking energy than a battery can charge and all the surge loading taken off the battery
[04:04:48] <flyback> got another 30 miles
[04:05:13] <flyback> I mean than a battery can capture at once
[04:05:38] <furrywolf> "do not use hammer to install terminal bolt".
[04:05:49] <furrywolf> yay product manuals.
[04:06:07] <Jymmm> brick?
[04:07:00] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Are they spot welded together?
[04:08:35] <furrywolf> dunno
[04:09:09] <flyback> furrywolf, yeah "DO NOT USE FORKLIFT TO AVOID HAVING TO UNCOUPLE ENGINE MOUNT FROM WING WHEN REPLACING ENGINE
[04:09:13] <flyback> BOY THEY FUCKED THAT UP
[04:09:22] <flyback> cost several 100 people their lives
[04:09:36] <flyback> when engine tore off and fucked the res of the plane
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[04:10:15] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Going to use in your solar system?
[04:10:29] <furrywolf> yep
[04:10:39] <flyback> there's a reason they tell you not to do shit sometimes
[04:10:45] <flyback> and not just cause it's fucking stupid to do so
[04:11:11] <flyback> you create microfractures etc in ways that don't show up right way but still get you
[04:11:12] <Jymmm> furrywolf: PLEASE let me know how your testing of them turns out. I'd REALLY be interested in the resutls, good bad or otherwise
[04:11:27] <furrywolf> unless the caps are bad, they should do an excellent job stiffening the battery voltage during motor starts.
[04:11:37] <flyback> hell yes
[04:11:52] <flyback> Jymmm, I just said earlier truckers love the cap kit they been selling them
[04:12:30] <furrywolf> I can pull around a thousand amps when I finish wiring everything up... and my batteries can't do that.
[04:12:43] <furrywolf> the cap module, however, is rated to put out 1900A all day. :)
[04:12:45] <flyback> furrywolf, it's not good for them even if they could
[04:13:20] <flyback> any time you can shave a little stress off a chemical cell, it's going to reward you
[04:13:21] <furrywolf> (well, alternately take in and put out... obviously at 1900A discharge it won't stay charged very long)
[04:13:52] <Jymmm> furrywolf: So the csupercap would be wired in like all the other batteries, and then just take the hot on motor starts?
[04:14:02] <Jymmm> take the hit*
[04:14:07] <flyback> yep
[04:14:23] <flyback> Jymmm, a warning if this is youdoing it
[04:14:25] <furrywolf> got an answer from the lathe guy...
[04:14:27] <furrywolf> "They are all in working condition, I replaced some of the gears and shafts in the threading box. I have some old style toolpost and will let you choose a right, left and straight. You will need to buy your own centers and Jacobs chuck.$1300 and I will load it with a fork lift. the cheapest used lathe on ebay is $2500 and you have to pay shipping. call me and you will get the pick of the litter. "
[04:14:36] <furrywolf> I don't think I want to spend that much.
[04:14:56] <flyback> Jymmm, you might want a high resistance discharge circuit when off or make sure the caps are totally enclosed
[04:15:27] <flyback> I seen people weld with supercaps
[04:16:33] <furrywolf> my plan is a big switch (battery disconnect), a light bulb, and a little circuit with a comparator and an LED. switch is open, caps charge through light bulb. if voltage is over, say, 1V, LED lights warning you not to close switch. or maybe I'll make the LED light when the difference is less than 1V, for fail-safe.
[04:16:58] <flyback> cool :)
[04:17:22] <furrywolf> plus a 175A circuit breaker. (because I have a couple extra)
[04:17:32] <flyback> yeah that's critical
[04:17:41] <flyback> cause caps are kinda unlimited current
[04:17:48] <flyback> well they will blow eventually or discharge
[04:17:55] <flyback> but that's bad in terms of fire safety etc
[04:17:57] <furrywolf> yeah, it lists the short-circuit current somewhere in the neighborhood of 8kA.
[04:18:13] <flyback> so you defintely want to make sure the caps are before any fuses etc or have their own
[04:18:44] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Just hooke it to one of those dumpster size boxes that say "PG&E" on it ;)
[04:19:00] <furrywolf> I might actually use some low-quality 250A breakers I have instead... because I think my 175s are magnetic fast-trip while the 250s are just thermal.
[04:19:40] <furrywolf> I might even be really lazy and let the breaker double as the switch.
[04:20:04] <flyback> long as you have something that says "NO!"
[04:20:15] <Jymmm> furrywolf: What, 18ga wire not a big enough fuse for ya =)
[04:20:16] <flyback> WHEN you get a short or transistor turned into a heatsink
[04:20:31] <Jymmm> or .22lr
[04:20:34] <flyback> Jymmm, on a supercap it migth vaporize and burn you bad etc
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[04:20:56] <furrywolf> Jymmm: I melted some #18 wire with my solar panels once. I tried using a piece as a shunt. it became an open circuit very quickly. :)
[04:21:12] <Jymmm> furrywolf: lol
[04:21:30] <Jymmm> furrywolf: solar soldering 101 ???
[04:21:31] <flyback> current fuses and thermal fuses are you friend
[04:21:33] <flyback> USE THEM
[04:21:48] <flyback> im glad to see almost all induction motors now
[04:21:54] <furrywolf> I saw someone accidentally short a new AGM battery with a cheapo jumper wire (the type with alligator clips) once. there was a jumper wire... and then there wasn't. there were just two clips with nothing between them, and some smoke slowly drifting upwards.
[04:21:55] <flyback> they embed a thermal fuse in the coil
[04:22:07] <flyback> or a thermal breaker
[04:22:30] <Jymmm> furrywolf: ah, a temoorary fuseable link =)
[04:22:41] <Jymmm> disposable fuseable link? lol
[04:22:50] <furrywolf> it didn't just burn through... it vaporized the wire! gone! I couldn't believe it.
[04:22:53] <flyback> Jymmm, don't fuck around with supercaps dude
[04:23:17] <Jymmm> furrywolf: plastic and all?
[04:23:22] <furrywolf> yep
[04:23:45] <Jymmm> furrywolf: how big was this agm ?
[04:23:59] <furrywolf> I'm not even sure how it did it. it must have arced very heavily as the wire began to disintegrate.
[04:24:10] <furrywolf> car battery sized
[04:24:26] <Jymmm> oh, so arund 50AH+ ish
[04:24:49] <flyback> I seen people using supercaps for high voltage physics
[04:24:49] <Jymmm> motorcycle battery sized agm are 34AH
[04:25:01] <flyback> and coi n shrinking coils and washer launchers
[04:25:28] <furrywolf> no, that's a wheelchair battery sized. this was car battery sized. probably 120Ah.
[04:25:41] <furrywolf> a real car battery, not a honda civic.
[04:25:50] <Jymmm> lol
[04:27:08] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[04:27:18] <Jymmm> furrywolf: You into private tool making?
[04:27:27] <Jymmm> furrywolf: like using a rock axe?
[04:29:03] <furrywolf> ... huh?
[04:29:14] <furrywolf> no, I'm not into pretending to be from the stone age.
[04:29:20] <Jymmm> k
[04:29:39] <furrywolf> my axe is metal, and sharp.
[04:30:11] <Jymmm> This guys is making/firing hsi own tiles for a hut roof
[04:30:42] <Jymmm> IT's pretty impressive, but long video
[04:30:54] <Jymmm> 14m
[04:31:22] <MacGalempsy> does anyone know if spindle_9 can be tuned like other axis from inside Axis?
[04:31:28] <Jymmm> even made a kiln out of mud
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[04:32:31] <Jymmm> ve7it: Hi lawerence
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[04:38:22] <flyback> ve7it, BMCC
[04:40:35] <ve7it> hey Jymmm (and you as well flyback )
[04:44:12] <flyback> hi :)
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[05:36:14] <Contract_Pilot> Path Pilot recovery disk 10.00USD to help band with then you guys can torrent it?
[05:39:09] <Contract_Pilot> I already have the torrent seeding! the 10.00 is if you want direct DL
[05:39:40] <Contract_Pilot> it is slow right now!
[05:39:54] <Contract_Pilot> but direct DL is ok.
[05:43:50] <Wolf_Mill> what site for the torrent?
[05:44:40] <Wolf_Mill> nm i'll check the ones i use
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[05:52:00] <Connor> Contract_Pilot: You have a Tormach ?
[05:52:19] <Contract_Pilot> Nope.
[05:52:31] <MacGalempsy> man this mesa card is driving me nuts. I can run the spindle from a 9v battery, but I cant get the damn spindle to go
[05:52:33] <Connor> How did you get a copy of Path Pilot ?
[05:52:48] <MacGalempsy> its like the card wont put out the damn voltage
[05:53:06] <Connor> MacGalempsy: What card ?
[05:53:22] <MacGalempsy> 7i77
[05:53:22] <Contract_Pilot> bought it!
[05:53:41] <Connor> What are you using as a Motor driver ?
[05:53:44] <MacGalempsy> when they are talking about spindle machine units it is rps right?
[05:53:49] <Contract_Pilot> it is linux should be open source!
[05:53:50] <MacGalempsy> the vfd
[05:53:53] <Connor> Contract_Pilot: They sold it to you without a machine ?
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[05:54:05] <Contract_Pilot> Yes!
[05:54:29] <Connor> Didn't think they where doing that.. only giving the source to people who own the machine.
[05:54:30] <MacGalempsy> so I take the max rpm which is 5000rpm and divide it by 60 to get an output scale of 83.33
[05:54:43] <MacGalempsy> 95% of that is 79.16
[05:55:06] <Connor> How are you controlling the VFD ?
[05:55:19] <Connor> using the 0-10v
[05:55:31] <MacGalempsy> with the -10/+10 pwm on the 7i77
[05:55:42] <Contract_Pilot> I was a lucky one
[05:55:55] <Contract_Pilot> the torrent is seeded
[05:56:57] <Connor> MacGalempsy: You doing the config by hand or using Pncconf ?
[05:57:25] <MacGalempsy> well. with PNCCONF I could get it to spin with an open-loop
[05:57:41] <MacGalempsy> put now I am trying to PID tune using the examples
[05:57:50] <Connor> Oh. That's a PITA
[05:57:55] <Contract_Pilot> Wolf Mill DCC
[05:58:21] <MacGalempsy> well. the lame part is I am trying to do it according to a few helps and it aint going
[05:58:25] <Wolf_> I’m not on that computer right now lol
[05:58:48] <Contract_Pilot> connor dcc
[05:58:55] <Connor> I got it.
[05:59:06] <Contract_Pilot> my initial seed is slow!
[05:59:07] <MacGalempsy> if anyone is using the 7i77 what are people using for an output scale in thier ini for the spindle?
[05:59:24] <MacGalempsy> well for that any spindle. what are you running for output scale?
[05:59:55] <Contract_Pilot> mac want path pilot?
[06:00:34] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure is DCC is working worked for 1 3 others no.
[06:01:04] <Contract_Pilot> Timed out to wolf_mill
[06:01:40] <Contract_Pilot> Connor timed out
[06:02:01] <Wolf_> send it to this name :P
[06:02:37] <Wolf_> not sure how to get DCC working on rssi in lunix, plus I’m in the house not in the shop
[06:04:40] <MacGalempsy> nah, I am pretty good with this, just want to get through the learning curve for future projects
[06:05:05] <MacGalempsy> the only spindle-output I can get to go is 0.0485
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[06:08:24] <archivist> MacGalempsy, it it an open collector pwm output?
[06:08:47] <MacGalempsy> archivist: not sure what that means, I dont know
[06:09:09] <MacGalempsy> output is from the PNCCONF
[06:09:24] <MacGalempsy> setup on the HAL/IIN
[06:09:36] <archivist> it means a pin does not source current/volts, you need a pull up
[06:09:59] <MacGalempsy> no because the other axis work the same way
[06:10:20] <MacGalempsy> the 7i77 has + - command
[06:12:04] <archivist> I can see you may have made wrong assumptions
[06:12:57] <MacGalempsy> so when the documentation says it can source -10/+10v that is not correct?
[06:13:59] <Jymmm> archivist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P73REgj-3UE
[06:14:03] <archivist> is the fpga configured on the main card configured correctly
[06:14:39] <MacGalempsy> you mean on the 5i25?
[06:14:48] <archivist> yes
[06:17:42] <MacGalempsy> do you mean in the HAL file when the component is loaded?
[06:17:48] <MacGalempsy> or on the physical card?
[06:18:24] <MacGalempsy> I can run the other drives from the same card, although the settings seem funky
[06:28:20] <MacGalempsy> archivist: are you talking about the W4 pin that deals with the week pull-ups?
[06:30:21] <archivist> I dont know the full details of all the boards, but am aware that some thing need checking like that, and is the fpga set up for that number of analogue out
[06:32:01] <Connor> If he bought the 5i25 and 7i77 together, then the firmware should be loaded on it already.
[06:32:25] <MacGalempsy> 5i25 7i77 7i84
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[06:36:21] <MacGalempsy> internal pull-ups are on
[06:37:27] <Connor> Huh?
[06:37:47] <Connor> you should be able to get a 0-10V signal from the output.. nothign to do with pull-ups..
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[06:38:35] <CaptHindsight> seems to be confusing analog +/- 10V with PWM
[06:39:17] <Mac_VMC> that is how the HAL file is set uphttp://pastebin.com/DP2YEeAa
[06:39:17] <Connor> Yea.. it's PWM from the 5i25, but the 7i77 converts the PWM to Analog +/- 10V
[06:39:26] <Contract_Pilot> I have 6 connected to the torrent
[06:39:28] <Mac_VMC> that is how the HAL file is set up http://pastebin.com/DP2YEeAa
[06:39:55] <Mac_VMC> i just cannot manage to get the full +10v
[06:39:59] <Mac_VMC> or -10v
[06:40:10] <Contract_Pilot> I cannot do this on my own pleese seed!
[06:41:06] <Contract_Pilot> Tormach should not charge 30.00 + 7+ shipping for open source!
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[06:41:32] <Contract_Pilot> Upen souce should be that OPEN!
[06:41:44] <Deejay> moin
[06:42:12] <Contract_Pilot> the way i read the GNU they can charge for handling an dandwith and shipping!!
[06:43:43] <Contract_Pilot> Anyopne want the torrent link to pathpilot DCC me an e-mail i will gladly send want a direct download min min 10.00 costs me 12
[06:44:16] <Contract_Pilot> 10.00 per gig and it is 1.2gig
[06:44:53] <Contract_Pilot> if you agree to seed i will absorb the bandwith for a direct DL
[06:46:17] <Sync> what, who still pays for bandwidth in 2015 :D
[06:46:31] <Contract_Pilot> I have been running an airplane manuals site for years.
[06:46:41] <CaptHindsight> label it XXX Pathpilot XXX and watch it get seeded :)
[06:46:55] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha
[06:47:26] <Sync> sure, but even then $10/G is insane
[06:47:26] <Contract_Pilot> ok, capt dcc e-mail and i send torrent and seed
[06:47:40] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, bit PITA to switch
[06:48:30] <CaptHindsight> Sync: but those packets get sent Priority Express
[06:48:36] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha
[06:49:18] <Wolf_> torrent said like 9hrs, direct with a good connection is >5mins
[06:49:39] <Wolf_> err <5mins
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[06:54:45] <Contract_Pilot> ya, going to bitch at comcast in the morning
[06:55:19] <Contract_Pilot> I you are pulling initial seed only 1 has completed
[06:55:52] <Contract_Pilot> need seeds!
[06:55:56] <MacGalempsy> does path pilot work with mesa cards?
[06:56:20] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Howdy!
[06:56:35] <Wolf_> I’m not going to complain about comcast, I’m getting way more dl speed then i pay for lol
[06:56:51] <Connor> MacGalempsy: PP is linuxcnc with a Custom GUI. and yes, they reconfigured it work with Mesa exclusivly.
[06:57:46] <MacGalempsy> hmm. this linuxcnc is so frustrating to use. its been like 3 years now, and my machine is still coming along.
[06:57:49] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: Hail and farewell!
[06:57:59] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Aloha!
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[06:58:08] <MacGalempsy> its like I can get signals to the software the HAL and INI programming is a bitch
[06:58:17] <Contract_Pilot> Change the config_file.txt
[06:58:17] <Contract_Pilot> For the Lathe: ~/tmc/configs/tormach_lathe/tormach_lathe_sim.ini
[06:58:17] <Contract_Pilot> For the Mill: ~/tmc/configs/tormach_mill/tormach_mill_sim.ini
[06:58:54] <Contract_Pilot> No mesa card required to load modify as you wish
[06:59:19] <Contract_Pilot> Yep
[07:01:19] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/?p=1184
[07:03:21] <MacGalempsy> at this point, now that everything is connected to the board, I am curious if anyone would be willing to go through the files and clean it up. I would paypal some $$$
[07:03:39] <MacGalempsy> i mean, I have it tuned on 4 axis, I just cannot get the damn spindle to go
[07:06:02] <Connor> MacGalempsy: Wait till tomorrow and talk with PCW / pcw_home
[07:06:10] <Connor> he can help you.. He's the guy who makes Mesa
[07:06:57] <Contract_Pilot> Wait for PathPilolt the gurus and experts will have it any day.
[07:07:48] <Connor> Bed time, later folks.
[07:08:24] <Contract_Pilot> pathpilot restore disk is on me tonight till 9am PT
[07:08:37] <Contract_Pilot> just dcc me!
[07:09:28] <Contract_Pilot> I go to bed will respond when i awake
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[07:13:51] <MacGalempsy> yeah, I got to crash out too...
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[07:32:57] <Contract_Pilot> bed here!
[07:33:07] <Contract_Pilot> Seed seed seed
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[07:55:43] <Contract_Pilot> Wonder how long tormach changes form LCNC!
[07:56:28] <Contract_Pilot> LCNC better then mach 3/4 for sure
[07:57:30] <Contract_Pilot> Now some one needs to write a simple config for PathPilot
[07:57:48] <Contract_Pilot> but lots of help here no worries
[07:58:02] <Contract_Pilot> Night off to bed
[07:59:10] <Contract_Pilot> http://airplanemanuals.com/tpp/Tormach%20Restore%20Disk%20V1.9.2b.iso
[07:59:10] <Contract_Pilot> UN: TPP_Backup
[07:59:10] <Contract_Pilot> PW: G_yE.i*_k]c3
[07:59:10] <Contract_Pilot> If you would like to donate something for bandwidt DCC me h
[07:59:39] <Contract_Pilot> This will cost me a lot!
[07:59:45] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha
[08:02:08] <Contract_Pilot> Hope it helps the LCNC comunity
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[08:36:22] <fenn> Contract_Pilot: just distributing the .iso doesn't get the source to anyone (unless the source is also on the .iso) you would have to request the source from tormach because they distributed the .iso to you
[08:37:29] <fenn> hum i guess it could be 100% python code
[08:38:11] <Wolf_> he posted a link saying something about changing something to “For the Mill: ~/tmc/configs/tormach_mill/tormach_mill_sim.ini” sounds like it might be just a front end mod
[08:39:42] <fenn> of course it's just a front end mod
[08:40:14] <fenn> we don't know that for sure without seeing the source code though
[08:40:25] <Wolf_> I haven’t looked at it yet, plus I don’t code lol
[08:42:24] <fenn> there may be some trademark issues with calling derivatives "path pilot" as well
[08:44:51] <fenn> maybe we can call it "contract pilot" instead :P
[08:45:00] <Wolf_> lol
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[09:10:14] <Wolf_Mill> grr, why cant things be simple, need a gib for this x axis, and of course its a hair under 1/8
[09:10:29] <Wolf_Mill> ck1/8" thik
[09:10:54] <Wolf_Mill> 1/8" thick *fu keyboard
[09:19:52] <Wolf_Mill> 3mm gib opening, 3.22mm stock, go figure lol
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[09:22:19] <fenn> blame ronald reagan
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[09:24:47] <fenn> "According to Frank Mankiewicz, he prompted Lyn Nofziger's efforts to halt the 1970s U.S. metrication effort, who convinced President Ronald Reagan to shut down the United States Metric Board."
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[09:25:06] <Wolf_Mill> dammit, dont have the right sized parallels either
[09:25:46] <Wolf_Mill> no I totally blame crap china machining on this x table/saddle
[09:25:59] <Wolf_Mill> cause the y gib is almost a 4mm gap
[09:27:16] <Wolf_Mill> best kicker is the the way bearing surfaces are all milled but the bottom that doesnt touch anything is ground
[09:28:00] <fenn> is it an incorrectly built dovetail? touches in the center but not on the sides?
[09:29:16] <Wolf_Mill> i dunno, looks like just the center is touching
[09:30:29] <Wolf_Mill> this is the bottom of the saddle, Y axis ball screw, you can see how the things are milled http://i.imgur.com/3dZmaDH.jpg
[09:31:14] <fenn> yeah that's bad
[09:31:26] <fenn> not an easy fix
[09:31:54] <MattyMatt> jib the gib. cut some grooves for non-recirculating balls
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[09:33:17] <MattyMatt> that's a real thing I plan to do. drawer slides on steroids
[09:33:25] <fenn> i wonder why tapered gibs aren't used on cheap chinese tools
[09:33:49] <XXCoder> hey ll
[09:33:52] <XXCoder> *all
[09:34:27] <fenn> they could save two whole grub screws and tapping operations by switching to tapered gibs
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[09:34:51] <Wolf_Mill> would be nice
[09:35:39] <MattyMatt> those cheap 7x10 chinese had the smell of military stockpile about them. simple lathe in heavy goo
[09:35:46] <Wolf_Mill> yay for the big ass box of hss tool steel that came with my lathe
[09:36:09] <Wolf_Mill> ghetto parallel spacers
[09:36:30] <XXCoder> ran a lathe today. pretty rare, and first time that specific lathe. fun.
[09:36:40] <XXCoder> I dont like running lathes lol too dan scary
[09:37:16] <MattyMatt> like the legendary airfield hoard of Triumph Bonneville parts, just in case we needed em. they were dug up in the 80s and sold when they were no longer strategically important
[09:38:03] <MattyMatt> so you chinese lathe is KISS. intended solely for churning out AK-47 rounds if it all kicked off with the russians
[09:38:41] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: like the concerete lathes usa come up in order to make so many stuff for ww2
[09:38:52] <XXCoder> usa had only few lathes. they suddenly needed thousands.
[09:38:55] <Wolf_Mill> doubt it, ak will run loose specs but not that loose
[09:39:13] <XXCoder> Wolf_Mill: it may be missing side shims or something?
[09:39:50] <Wolf_Mill> what? my saddle?
[09:40:09] <XXCoder> not sure terms on this case lol
[09:41:10] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/Df3BhTF.jpg nadda missing, just cheap design
[09:41:47] <XXCoder> guess so
[09:41:53] <XXCoder> so, whats your plan on fixing it
[09:42:21] <MattyMatt> does anyone know what kind of point gib screws should have? I'm thinking of making little angle plugs to spread the load on teflon gibs, but even bronze must get squashed by the wrong tip shape
[09:43:08] <fenn> you're supposed to put matching dimples in the gib
[09:43:31] <Wolf_Mill> "dog point" set screws
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[09:44:00] <MattyMatt> on my little lathe, the gibs are ~1/16" thick. not much meat for a concave dimple
[09:44:14] <Wolf_Mill> I was going to try acetal gibs on this mill but I really dont feel like tryign to figure out how to hold the damn things down
[09:45:17] <fenn> i would do 118 degrees because that's easy with a drill bit
[09:45:36] <fenn> or just stick it in without modification (cup point)
[09:46:18] <fenn> also MattyMatt that sounds terrible, a 1/16" teflon gib wouldn't spread the pressure out very far at all
[09:46:39] <fenn> teflon creeps pretty badly
[09:46:39] <MattyMatt> no, my bronze one is 1/16"
[09:47:26] <miek123> anyone know whats going on with Mesa? i was about to place an order but then realized the 7i76 was out of stock, and the forms are full of people complaning their orders from weeks ago haven't shipped and mesa isn't returning emails/answering the phone....
[09:47:30] <MattyMatt> although 2mm is my plan for large wooden dovetail slides
[09:47:53] <MattyMatt> no gib screws on that idea tho
[09:48:02] <XXCoder> miek123: dunno but yeah I wouldnt order as long as problems keep on.
[09:48:52] <fenn> it's all my fault guys, i should be making circuit boards for mesa
[09:48:55] <XXCoder> I'm bit worried as one of my hobby orders was shipped just 2 days before store closed. I don't know if records are stright or not.
[09:49:17] <miek123> :/
[09:49:45] <fenn> MattyMatt: wooden dovetail slides?
[09:49:47] <miek123> i was hoping to upgrade the hardware on my machine before upgrading to 2.7
[09:49:52] <fenn> MattyMatt: you know wood warps right?
[09:50:03] <XXCoder> 2 nw negatve feedbacks. how wonderful.
[09:50:06] <XXCoder> *new
[09:50:15] <MattyMatt> yes, that's why violins are useless after 300 years
[09:50:31] <fenn> a violin is not a machine tool
[09:50:35] <XXCoder> unless it warps into awesome shape
[09:51:34] <fenn> i mean it's hard enough to make a dovetail out of brass without it getting bent out of shape
[09:53:09] <MattyMatt> plywood stays flat enough indoors, for long enough to do some metalwork with it. I've failed to prove this point so far I admit, my first plywood mill is too floppy to make its own alu replacement
[09:53:11] <miek123> are you guys from europe or just up really late?
[09:53:24] <fenn> i'm from mars
[09:53:40] <MattyMatt> I'm an EU citizen
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[09:54:03] <XXCoder> I'm from mainline earth, using cross-reality networking to connect to this earth's irc server. way better than dictorship irc we have here.
[09:54:07] <MattyMatt> EU called me a citizen, when UK was still calling me a subject
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[09:54:41] <fenn> ah xxcoder that explains some of the spelling differences
[09:55:00] <miek123> i'm moving to spain in a few months...any idea where I might find an rf45 clone in .eu?
[09:55:01] <Wolf_Mill> not sure wtf i'm still doing up...
[09:55:02] <XXCoder> keep it secret though your earth havent discovered the method.
[09:55:18] <miek123> i'm going to need a new project
[09:55:25] <fenn> "arc euro trade"?
[09:55:53] <MattyMatt> arc euro trade = good parts, but not fabulous prices
[09:56:23] <MattyMatt> like marchantdice, the other luxury UK shop
[09:56:31] <fenn> sounds dicey
[09:57:18] <MattyMatt> and zappo completes the triumvirate
[09:57:28] <MattyMatt> they're best for motors
[09:58:13] <miek123> hmm yes that's very expensive
[10:00:05] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, derp, put a item i needed in my amazon cart this afternoon and forgot to finish order...
[10:00:10] <MattyMatt> there was a bridgeport on ebay less than 1m from me, but I haven't got room :(
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[10:01:33] <MattyMatt> american machines are rare here, and expensive, for obvious shipping reasons
[10:01:58] <MattyMatt> and spain won't have any from WW2. wrong team
[10:02:36] <XXCoder> go go allied
[10:02:39] <XXCoder> heh
[10:03:28] <MattyMatt> what they will have probably is some nice old nazi ones. iirc spain made messerschmitt clones
[10:04:08] <XXCoder> godwin's law
[10:04:10] <XXCoder> kidding lol
[10:05:40] <MattyMatt> in some ways, WW1 and WW2 were the machinists' war
[10:06:03] <XXCoder> plane each day
[10:06:04] <MattyMatt> who can make tanks & ammo quicker
[10:06:26] <MattyMatt> so bad for humanity, but great for the trade
[10:06:28] <fenn> and the computer engineers put everyone out of business
[10:06:31] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: bet there was heaps of metal scavaging at end
[10:06:33] <XXCoder> so much iron
[10:06:42] <XXCoder> I bet usa didnt get most of it back
[10:06:52] <fenn> unexploded bombs, yay
[10:07:31] <fenn> there are still entire towns in france from ww1 that are off limits due to chemical contamination
[10:07:49] <MattyMatt> yeah someone on YT was showing off his axe head with "made in germany" in english stamped on it. I posited that was made from tank scrap as it was from the occupation
[10:09:03] <MattyMatt> that made it back to US
[10:09:10] <XXCoder> wow
[10:09:16] <XXCoder> imange the trip it took
[10:10:08] <MattyMatt> aren't most of US tanks still in Germany? they were 20 years ago
[10:10:36] <MattyMatt> same for UK tanks
[10:10:51] <MattyMatt> I guess that was cold war thing
[10:16:05] <MattyMatt> new subject: seeing oxtoolco bottle out of cutting a metric thread on an inch lathe has confirmed the wisdom of my decision not to have gears on my lathe. pure cnc power feed FTW
[10:16:39] <MattyMatt> them gears and tumblers and whatnots look time consuming
[10:16:44] <XXCoder> seeing oxtollco bottle out?
[10:16:58] <MattyMatt> him or keith fenner. I go confirm
[10:18:04] <fenn> you can convert inch/metric with a 127 tooth gear
[10:19:01] <fenn> cnc is awesome of course
[10:19:07] <MattyMatt> my apologies. he didn't bottle it, but he didn't have a 127 tooth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXt4TWa382Q
[10:19:30] <MattyMatt> but that looks like a chore
[10:19:44] <fenn> is "bottling" when you have no groove at the end of the thread?
[10:20:06] <MattyMatt> nope it's when you refuse to do something because you're scared
[10:20:43] <MattyMatt> liverpool word, works anywhere in UK
[10:20:44] <fenn> does oxtoolco not believe in CNC or something?
[10:21:00] <MattyMatt> he's managaed long enough without it, I guess
[10:21:41] <gonzo_> Or it could be the act of pushing a broken bottle end in someones face
[10:22:11] <MattyMatt> we call that glassing here, even when it's half a bottle, just to keep it clear
[10:23:41] <MattyMatt> officer "did you glass him?" perp "no I bottled it"
[10:23:57] <gonzo_> even in a bar brawl, it's important to have clear conventions and terms
[10:28:17] <XXCoder> bottled bottled water :P
[10:29:09] <MattyMatt> that becomes a joke about people scared to drink tap water
[10:29:29] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2551
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[10:37:01] <MattyMatt> http://smbc.myshopify.com/collections/frontpage/products/science-shirt gotta get this for someone
[10:37:16] <MattyMatt> I'll email him the link. it's the thought that counts
[10:37:19] <XXCoder> ohh I want it
[10:37:39] <XXCoder> ya know
[10:37:47] <XXCoder> dont think I ever browsed his store lol
[10:41:20] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2223#comic
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[11:04:16] <XXCoder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/studiocheha/bulbing-2d-3d-led-lamps-optimize-your-lighting-exp?ref=popular
[11:04:19] <XXCoder> looks cool
[11:04:22] <XXCoder> but ya know what
[11:04:28] <XXCoder> laser cnc can do it I bet
[11:04:39] <XXCoder> or even cnc ruter
[11:08:51] <MattyMatt> reprap that shit
[11:09:15] <MattyMatt> you can get mostly clear filament now
[11:09:18] <XXCoder> nah cant get nice transparent sheet with repap
[11:09:26] <XXCoder> so far I know on state of art
[11:09:46] <MattyMatt> disney got a patent on 3d printed light pipes
[11:10:11] <Wolf_Mill> dlp resin printer...
[11:10:12] <MattyMatt> a specific kind that emerge as symbols at the surface
[11:10:36] <Wolf_Mill> if its on kickstarter I sorta expect 3d printurd
[11:11:04] <MattyMatt> laser seems likeliest for an acrylic merchant
[11:12:50] <Wolf_Mill> just looked, yeah router or laser
[11:13:01] <Wolf_Mill> or rotary engraver
[11:13:04] <XXCoder> laser'd be better
[11:13:10] <XXCoder> but router can do it.
[11:13:14] <MattyMatt> the geartrain in this shredder looks pretty good and intact. the frame has split at the distal end. I'm thinking tapping head
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[11:13:55] <MattyMatt> motor looks about 100W
[11:14:37] <MattyMatt> or feed rollers for a thickness sander
[11:14:58] <MattyMatt> I could use the shredders for that with their teeth
[11:16:00] <Wolf_Mill> hmm thx, I was trying to figure where to find a somewhat slow motor setup to do a powerfeed on my lathe :)
[11:16:11] <MattyMatt> hmm toothmarks at the sanding stage. not useful
[11:16:39] <XXCoder> heh
[11:16:51] <XXCoder> was thinking actual human toothmarks for a min :P
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[11:17:56] <Wolf_Mill> great, now all i have left are total pain in the ass parts
[11:18:42] <XXCoder> total ass in the parts pain
[11:18:43] <Wolf_Mill> need to grind a flange off a ball nut...
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[11:19:42] <MattyMatt> are you doing that on the lathe with a toolpost grinder?
[11:19:59] <XXCoder> need to grind a nut off a flange ball
[11:20:19] <Wolf_Mill> 5" angle grinder
[11:20:33] <MattyMatt> + duct tape = toolpost grinder
[11:20:55] <MattyMatt> cover all your ways and you'll have much more control on the lathe
[11:21:04] <Wolf_Mill> I need to take the top of one down some, still need the rest of it for mounting
[11:21:08] <MattyMatt> unless you want square nubs
[11:21:16] <malcom2073> Heh square nubs.
[11:21:17] <MattyMatt> gotcha
[11:21:52] <Wolf_Mill> g0704 x axis type install
[11:22:21] <Wolf_Mill> where the ball nut is bigger then the bed clearance
[11:22:26] <MattyMatt> the ones I saw had a pocket ground under the bed with a carbide burr
[11:23:22] <Wolf_Mill> well, I have a workign mill so I dont need to use a burr for the saddle half lol
[11:23:28] <MattyMatt> seemed scary, grinding on the bit that can't be replaced
[11:24:19] <MattyMatt> g0704 = grizzly mill?
[11:24:26] <Wolf_Mill> yeah
[11:24:47] <Wolf_Mill> but i'm workin on a X2P sieg base
[11:25:52] <MattyMatt> nice
[11:26:23] <jthornton> now I have to figure out what to do with the entities
[11:26:53] <MattyMatt> n-titties?
[11:27:04] <malcom2073> That's an indeterminant number of titties
[11:27:21] <MattyMatt> sort them into pairs, of course
[11:27:26] <jthornton> sorry just one t
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[11:28:08] <Wolf_Mill> MattyMatt: http://i.imgur.com/kYDtEtW.jpg
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[11:28:51] <MattyMatt> nice vice
[11:29:26] <Wolf_Mill> not a vice lol http://i.imgur.com/GVsm7lB.jpg
[11:29:57] <MattyMatt> lob a fixed jaw on that pillar base, and it could be :)
[11:30:08] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[11:31:17] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/Df3BhTF.jpg next is milling the saddle X side
[11:33:08] <malcom2073> Looking pretty good
[11:34:17] <Wolf_Mill> bearing block is gonna be fun, all I have is 1.5" alum stock laying around
[11:35:15] <MattyMatt> what's the OD? 22mm? :)
[11:35:42] <Wolf_Mill> ball nut is 22od on the cylinder part
[11:35:57] <Wolf_Mill> bearings are 30 i think
[11:36:20] <jthornton> rebuilding it?
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[11:36:27] <MattyMatt> I've got forstner bits in both those sizes. that's an upgrade round here
[11:36:49] <MattyMatt> spade bit in oak is a bit teary
[11:37:40] <Wolf_Mill> hmm I do have a 30mm forstner down at the other shop
[11:37:54] <Wolf_Mill> but I'm not sticking that in alum lol
[11:38:04] <MattyMatt> heh yeah, I use wood tools on alu quite a bit
[11:38:46] <Wolf_Mill> jthornton: upgrade for my x1's tiny table/y axis travel
[11:38:56] <jthornton> nice
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[11:40:00] <Wolf_Mill> next phase is building a x2 mill column and head/spindle from replacement parts to upgrade to R8 setup
[11:40:53] <_methods> Wolf_Mill: that's teh way to do it
[11:40:59] <_methods> wish i'd known that when i did mine
[11:41:27] <MattyMatt> jthornton this kind of entity? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PyVCP
[11:41:29] <_methods> i have a pile of left over x2 parts from replacing everything with better parts
[11:42:12] <jthornton> opening a reading in the entities from a dxf file
[11:42:41] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, glad I figured it out, I was thinking of getting a x2 or something, but the other night everyone was linking x2 mill ballscrew pics and I noticed a x2 with the same base as this X1 extended kit I got
[11:42:49] <MattyMatt> ah, dunno that either. I implicitly trust importers to screw up by themselves
[11:43:01] <_methods> the lms extended bed is nice
[11:43:29] <_methods> i ended up replacing basically everything except the actual mill head
[11:43:34] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.siegind.com/products_detail/&productId=43.html
[11:43:43] <Wolf_Mill> looks familliar?
[11:44:07] <_methods> nope
[11:44:22] <_methods> that looks like and x1 with an x2 head
[11:44:49] <Wolf_Mill> yup, thats where the extended x1 base and table come from
[11:45:46] <MattyMatt> summer's nearly over here. I never got to do any casting
[11:45:58] <MattyMatt> again this year
[11:47:14] <MattyMatt> I can only do summer as it's a stealth operation at momma's house
[11:47:33] <MattyMatt> so, plywood machine tools again :p
[11:48:14] <_methods> https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3677&category=-269978449
[11:48:22] <_methods> taht's the one i upgraded my mill with
[11:48:31] <MattyMatt> plan B. plywood houseboat machine shop. cast metal on river bank
[11:50:05] <MattyMatt> I've noticed that tables with 2 axis of CNC already installed fetch good prices on ebay
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[11:50:31] <Wolf_Mill> cool, I'm thinking the hitorque solid column + the spindle parts for the x2 R8 setup, add some timing pullys from fleabay + a vfd/motor and I should have a beast of a mini mill
[11:50:57] <_methods> yeah the solid column and large table
[11:51:03] <_methods> then put whatever head you want on it
[11:52:12] <MattyMatt> bridgeport head, and just use the quill as the Z
[11:52:34] <MattyMatt> column would be wider than high, for that :)
[11:52:56] <Wolf_Mill> if I get a mill for my shop, I'm getting something bigger then a bridgeport
[11:53:17] <Wolf_Mill> then I can just chuck the x1 up in it
[11:54:13] <Wolf_Mill> creative framing of vid and show it doing rigid tapping
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[12:02:33] <_methods> yeah i've been searching for a nice little #1 horizontal for awhile now
[12:02:37] <_methods> one day i'll find it
[12:07:21] <Tom_itx> they sent a forstner bit to drill the aluminum hole cutouts for an entry door. it barely made it thru all 4 holes and it's crap now
[12:07:43] <Tom_itx> i guess it served their purpose.
[12:08:33] <Tom_itx> i certainly wouldn't measure the holes for consistency
[12:09:21] <Wolf_Mill> heh yeah, my best bet is rough mill the holes then bore them
[12:12:01] <Tom_itx> fall is on the way. 69�F
[12:12:21] <malcom2073> indeed, it's 50F here
[12:12:26] <jthornton> 55f here
[12:12:36] <malcom2073> Supposed to still get hot during the day though
[12:15:01] <Wolf_Mill> gotta love this area, snow one day, t-shirt weather the next
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[12:17:10] <malcom2073> Yep
[12:19:04] <_methods> yeah it's freezing here it's like 74
[12:19:08] <_methods> hahaha
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[12:22:47] <MattyMatt> has anyone seen one of these with CNC? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100mm-4-Cross-Slide-Engineering-Working-Vice-Cast-Iron-Body-Tool-Vise-/201431286839
[12:28:39] <MattyMatt> yes YT has https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVHh_3sXzhk
[12:30:13] <malcom2073> Ghetto, I like it
[12:32:11] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/video/MVC-344W.MPG
[12:32:14] <MattyMatt> something like that could be taken on site for stuff like hex heads on allthread or keyways
[12:32:21] <skunkworks> first conversion
[12:35:00] <MattyMatt> nice
[12:35:33] <MattyMatt> use of a cheap drill+press is mandatory :)
[12:36:13] <MattyMatt> especially for the onsite idea
[12:37:29] <MattyMatt> I coulda got a mag drill with my mill base, it was what he was using. I'm kicking myself now
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[12:46:40] <skunkworks> That was probably turbocnc
[12:47:32] <skunkworks> quickly moved to emc1
[12:47:44] <Jymmm> There's nothing wrong with TurboCNC
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[13:06:28] <ganzuul> Got the bench grinder swapped to a bigger one, paying the difference. Turns out the run capacitor on the small one was out of spec, so the motor ran hot.
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[13:10:22] <ganzuul> Jeesus, thing thing has power.
[13:26:41] <Jymmm> ganzuul: LICK IT
[13:28:50] <fenn> MattyMatt: use concrete for your machine frame
[13:28:50] <ganzuul> ಠ_ಠ
[13:28:50] <ganzuul> no
[13:28:50] <Jymmm> ganzuul: LICK IT GOOD
[13:29:10] <ganzuul> *disapproval intensifies*
[13:29:18] <fenn> MattyMatt: i think you can cast concrete directly on thin plates of delrin placed on cold rolled steel box ways
[13:30:14] <Jymmm> ganzuul: LICK IT LIKE THE LOLLIPOP YOU KNOW YOU WANT!
[13:31:08] <Wolf_Mill> such power. much grind, wow
[13:33:48] <_methods> someone put Jymmm back in his cage
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[13:34:02] <_methods> :)
[13:34:08] <Jymmm> _methods: Only after you get back under your rock!
[13:34:11] <_methods> hahah
[13:34:15] <Jymmm> or bridge
[13:34:19] <Jymmm> or both!
[13:34:32] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, I think I can mount this x axis ball screw easy
[13:36:31] <Wolf_Mill> damn maybe not
[13:39:30] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/ppfW76B.jpg lower holes are right at the edge of the surface :/
[13:42:41] <_methods> rock bridge
[13:43:48] <ganzuul> Thou shalt not lick grinding machines which lick back harder.
[13:44:15] <Jymmm> wuss
[13:44:27] <MattyMatt> fenn already on it. I'm gonna try cutting up paving slabs first with diamond blade in a grinder, as an experiment
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[13:44:43] <ganzuul> 370 Watts of hatred and destruction.
[13:45:02] <MattyMatt> I'm upstairs. mistakes in poured concrete are hard to dispose of
[13:45:06] <Jymmm> That's just 'tough love'
[13:45:10] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: Got a window?
[13:45:37] <MattyMatt> inclined plane, 1200kg winch. easy :)
[13:46:04] <malcom2073> I mean for disposing of mistakes :-D
[13:46:13] <MattyMatt> arr me too
[13:46:32] <Wolf_Mill> wuss fo shure, thats not even 1/2 hp grinder
[13:47:13] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Thats what _methods is for. He eats goats... err mistakes for lunch!
[13:47:19] <fenn> i'm thinking just make standard sized blocks with standard sized bolt patterns and re-use them for something else if the machine is no longer useful
[13:47:20] <MattyMatt> imagine 2 paving slabs, with althread for rebar in an epoxy sandwich. cheap stiff and easy to index off the allthread sticking out
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[13:47:41] <malcom2073> If the cheese vs goat cheese is any indicator of beef vs goat meat, I'm all for it
[13:47:59] <fenn> embed coupling nuts because it's less annoying to not have poky allthread sticking out
[13:48:22] <_methods> mistakes like Jymmm hehe
[13:49:12] <MattyMatt> good point
[13:49:12] <fenn> the nuts thread onto the ends of your allthread
[13:49:12] <MattyMatt> but allthread between the nuts as rebar
[13:49:12] <malcom2073> Hmm, how would you clean acetone out of a 55 gallon plastic drum? Think it's possible to get it clean enough for non potable water?
[13:49:15] <Wolf_Mill> light it off
[13:49:20] <Wolf_Mill> :)
[13:49:26] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Open the lid and let it evaporate?
[13:49:29] <malcom2073> Heh, *plastic* drum :P
[13:49:36] <malcom2073> Jymmm: The drum is empty
[13:49:41] <malcom2073> But you can still smell it
[13:49:47] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Open the lid and let it evaporate?
[13:49:55] <MattyMatt> fill with water, soak, rinse , repeat
[13:50:34] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Is it 100% dry inside?
[13:50:35] <MattyMatt> fill with abs beads and tumble it for 3 weeks
[13:50:47] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Seems so, at least as far as I can get my fingers in to investigate through a 3" hole
[13:50:49] <MattyMatt> abs loves the acetone :)
[13:50:59] <ganzuul> Boil it.
[13:51:16] <fenn> make reprap stew
[13:51:24] <Jymmm> malcom2073: did you open all of the bung holes?
[13:51:26] <malcom2073> Haha, I have a can of reprap stew
[13:51:28] <MattyMatt> just use it. if it's non-potable why care?
[13:51:30] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Yes
[13:51:34] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: The smell
[13:51:43] <malcom2073> And I'm using it in places that there might be ABS
[13:51:44] <MattyMatt> smell will go when it's full of water
[13:51:54] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Shove it in full sun for a couple of days
[13:52:19] <malcom2073> My buddy has a couple of these, I'm thinking of picking one or two up off of him
[13:52:35] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Wait, you want this for potable water?
[13:52:39] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Nooo
[13:52:40] <malcom2073> non potable
[13:53:06] <Jymmm> malcom2073: then what do you care if it smells?
[13:53:13] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Because it's going in toilets
[13:53:20] <malcom2073> They smell bad enough on their own
[13:53:20] <Jymmm> so?
[13:53:26] <MattyMatt> acetone smells nicer than toilets
[13:53:37] <Jymmm> yep
[13:53:41] <malcom2073> Maybe your toilets
[13:53:43] <malcom2073> :P
[13:53:56] <MattyMatt> especially when I'm flushing
[13:54:07] <malcom2073> Hmm, I wonder if it's possible to get it clean enough to be potable
[13:54:13] <malcom2073> would simplify the plumbing if I could just pipe the water through my normal lines
[13:54:20] <malcom2073> Rather than running secondaries
[13:54:20] <MattyMatt> acetone isn't poisonous
[13:54:29] <MattyMatt> just niffy
[13:54:33] <malcom2073> True, if acetone bites you, you won't die
[13:54:34] <MattyMatt> and corrosive
[13:54:48] <Jymmm> malcom2073: You will spend far more time and water trying to remove something that will never get 100% removed. Just toss it in the sun for a couple of days then use it.
[13:55:36] <Jymmm> malcom2073: NEVER USE NON FOOD-GRADE CONTAINERS FOR POTABLE WATER
[13:55:36] <Jymmm> malcom2073: NEVER USE NON FOOD-GRADE CONTAINERS FOR POTABLE WATER
[13:55:37] <Jymmm> malcom2073: NEVER USE NON FOOD-GRADE CONTAINERS FOR POTABLE WATER
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[13:57:07] <MattyMatt> lake michigan
[13:57:13] <Jymmm> I DO reuse food grade container for potable water, but I can never ever get the residue out. It's molceluarly bonded to the HDPE
[13:57:41] <Jymmm> There's somehting about (fruit) sugars that does this.
[13:58:51] <furrywolf> drop a charcoal filter cartridge down in the barrel before adding the water.
[13:58:55] <Jymmm> Even alcohol based syrups bond to HDPE =(
[13:59:01] <malcom2073> Hmm
[13:59:09] <Jymmm> furrywolf: NON potable
[13:59:10] <furrywolf> it'll nicely suck all the acetone out of the water for you
[13:59:12] <malcom2073> So I have one brand new barrel in my garage, I'll have to see if that's food-grade or not
[13:59:17] * MattyMatt solders a nice copper tank
[13:59:32] <malcom2073> I'll assume the acetone ones aren't food grade, even though they look identical heh
[13:59:35] <_methods> makin stills now lol
[14:00:03] <Jymmm> malcom2073: The continaer more than likely is, but if it's riginal contents was never "food-grade", never re-use it for food-grade stuffs.
[14:00:21] <malcom2073> Jymmm: This isn't water I'm planning on drinking, but it may touch the same pipes, which is where my concern lies
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[14:00:55] <Jymmm> malcom2073: You are mixing potable plumbing with grey water plumbing ???
[14:01:04] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Erm, no.
[14:01:09] <furrywolf> ... huh?
[14:01:10] <furrywolf> lol
[14:01:21] <malcom2073> Why woudl you mix waste with supply?
[14:01:27] <Jymmm> malcom2073: "...but it may touch the same pipes,"
[14:01:44] <furrywolf> I'm imagining he means he may re-plumb with potable water in the future
[14:01:45] <malcom2073> Right, I'm trying to figure out if I can use these barrels for backup water supply for the toilets
[14:02:38] <Jymmm> malcom2073: So then what is the concern of you have POTABKE and NON-POTABKE plumbing?
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[14:02:56] <malcom2073> Jymmm: The acetone barrel is non potable it seems
[14:02:58] <malcom2073> A decent alternative: disconnect the toilet from the normal water supply, pipe normal water into the acetone barrel, and then pipe from the barrel up to the toilet.
[14:03:03] <MattyMatt> grey water is full of soap and chip fat, not the same as flushing water, which is the same class as surface water
[14:03:25] <Jymmm> malcom2073: and a checkvalve
[14:03:30] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Of course heh
[14:03:38] <malcom2073> I'd have the water pouring above level anyway
[14:03:43] <malcom2073> As an extra safety
[14:03:57] <furrywolf> why not just go spend the $30 and pick up a new food-grade barrel? :P
[14:04:09] <malcom2073> Erm, where can you get one delivered for $30?
[14:04:15] <Jymmm> malcom2073: do you collect rain water?
[14:04:16] <furrywolf> delivered? probably nowhere.
[14:04:27] <malcom2073> Jymmm: They'd be good for that, but then again I don't have a garden so.....
[14:04:47] <furrywolf> who the hell gets a barrel delivered? lol
[14:04:49] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Nobody around here sells barrels for less than $100+
[14:05:06] <Jymmm> malcom2073: but you need a backup for toilet(s)?
[14:05:10] <MattyMatt> garden supply have water butts
[14:05:20] <MattyMatt> take all the rain off your roof
[14:05:24] <malcom2073> Jymmm: True, but I can fill the backup with normal water just as easily as rain collection
[14:05:51] <malcom2073> And more reliabily. typically when the power goes out, we haven't had rainfail in a while cause it's all been snow :P
[14:06:07] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Huh? I was asking you WHY you need backup water for the toilets?
[14:06:22] <MattyMatt> frozen pipes in an excuse
[14:06:22] <furrywolf> what is your water source?
[14:06:41] <malcom2073> Oh, because the three reasons why we have to live with my parents for a week each winter: No heat (generator solves that), no water for toilets, and no drinking water cause we use it all for toilets
[14:06:44] <MattyMatt> or you could build a big snowmelter behind the bathroom
[14:06:46] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Well water
[14:06:59] <furrywolf> plug well into generator.
[14:07:04] <Wolf_Mill> ^
[14:07:05] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Can't, generator isn't big enough
[14:07:13] <furrywolf> plug well into new, larger generator.
[14:07:14] <Wolf_Mill> I have my well pump on a plug
[14:07:23] <malcom2073> Heh indeed, I should buy a new larger generator
[14:07:27] * MattyMatt flushes with superheated water
[14:07:29] <malcom2073> :P
[14:07:44] <MattyMatt> hot bidet
[14:07:48] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Get a 1500 gallon tank, toss on roof,
[14:07:53] <furrywolf> the amount of time it's going to take you to rig up a separate water supply for your toilet, you could buy a generator and have water for the whole house. :P
[14:07:54] <Wolf_Mill> odd my well pump is less then 20amps
[14:08:11] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Isn't that like, 5 tons?
[14:08:12] <malcom2073> :P
[14:08:21] <furrywolf> Wolf_: 20 amps running, probably 200 starting... a lot of generators won't start well pumps without a lot of reserve capacity.
[14:08:22] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Not really
[14:08:33] <MattyMatt> tank in the roofspace is the obvious way to get gravity feed
[14:09:01] <Jymmm> malcom2073: where you at on the planet?
[14:09:13] <malcom2073> Jymmm: South central pennsylvania USA
[14:09:41] <furrywolf> a backup supply for the well really is a much better solution than trying to convert your toilets to gravity-feed.
[14:09:59] <malcom2073> They wouldn't be gravity feed.....
[14:10:34] <furrywolf> ... how else do you think the water is getting from the barrel to the toilet? you planning on a pump? or pressurizing the barrel? both of those add even more complexity!
[14:10:36] <Wolf_Mill> imo, if you dont want to spend bucks on a bigger generator, find a used gas powered welder :D
[14:11:08] <malcom2073> I have a pump/bladder setup I picked up a while back for cheap, along with a pressure switch
[14:11:14] <malcom2073> So a pump after the barrel
[14:11:40] <furrywolf> what kind of pump?
[14:12:08] <malcom2073> It's an RV water pump for the running water in an RV
[14:12:10] <furrywolf> and do you have a deep or a shallow well?
[14:12:13] <furrywolf> shurflo 2088?
[14:12:14] <malcom2073> furrywolf: 100ft
[14:12:21] <Jymmm> malcom2073: http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/search/sss?sort=rel&query=rain+barrel
[14:12:53] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Yes, there are used ones available, and if I drive 2 hours I can pick up a used food safe one for like $20
[14:13:09] <malcom2073> Or closer if I don't care if it's food safe
[14:13:30] <furrywolf> rather than trying to plumb just the toilets, put it somewhere else, use a proper food-grade tank, and pressurize the whole house. or, you know, just get a better generator and a plug.
[14:13:34] <Jymmm> malcom2073: pick up a few of them, sell to eneighbors
[14:14:02] <malcom2073> Anyway my origonal question was answered: Don't use the acetone barrels heh
[14:14:19] <malcom2073> Heh
[14:14:49] <Wolf_Mill> http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/hvo/5233400222.html better then barrels imo :P
[14:14:59] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Just get a tote and toss on the roof
[14:15:18] <malcom2073> Haha, if Ihad $3k to spend, I'd pick up one of those old military generators that show up on the surplus sites occasionally :)
[14:15:18] <furrywolf> how long does it need to run for? pick up another well pressure tank and tee it in. you can get 50+ gallon bladder tanks. just make sure not to waste it with people attempting to shower or such.
[14:15:42] <Wolf_Mill> did you read the descript
[14:15:50] <Wolf_Mill> 20kw 3 phase
[14:15:55] <malcom2073> Yeah heh
[14:16:38] <Jymmm> Just toss the mill/lathe trailer to the hitch and you're good to go... literally
[14:16:56] <furrywolf> what generator do you have currently?
[14:16:59] <malcom2073> Indeed
[14:17:08] <malcom2073> furrywolf: An 1970's Onan 4kw, doesn't have 240 output
[14:17:30] <furrywolf> and how many hp well pump?
[14:17:36] <malcom2073> 2
[14:17:47] <furrywolf> yeah, that's not likely to work.
[14:17:53] <malcom2073> Yeah heh
[14:18:03] <malcom2073> I have a 1kva 110-240 transformer... :-P
[14:18:05] <malcom2073> But yeah no
[14:18:08] <Jymmm> malcom2073: http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/fod/5205232990.html
[14:18:13] <furrywolf> buy a bigger generator. :)
[14:18:19] <malcom2073> indeed it's on my list
[14:18:48] <Jymmm> malcom2073: delivered too
[14:18:55] <Wolf_Mill> 8kw enough?
[14:18:56] <malcom2073> That thing will last like two years
[14:18:57] <malcom2073> if that
[14:19:15] <malcom2073> buddy of mine has a 8kw diesel generator for $300, runs a bit rough, I may try for that one sometime
[14:19:29] <furrywolf> "Unique “anode and cathode AUTO-ID” technology for battery random connection;" that's not a feature a flashlight should need.
[14:20:10] <Wolf_Mill> one of my ideas was instead of a gen set was to get a miller bobcat welder/generator 8kw
[14:22:01] <Jymmm> malcom2073: IBC Tote https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/5235856940.html
[14:22:20] <Jymmm> malcom2073: 275 gallons
[14:22:23] <malcom2073> I'd heard of those
[14:24:35] <Jymmm> malcom2073: and only one ton on the roof =)
[14:24:44] <malcom2073> i don't need it on the roof, I have a pump :-P
[14:25:35] <Jymmm> then you're all set
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[15:10:23] <Jymmm> furrywolf: http://www.tank-depot.com/
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[15:20:01] <ssi> morn
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[15:27:38] <_methods> ssi: you see this
[15:27:40] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=CZydrXAq2pY
[15:27:41] <_methods> heheh
[15:28:18] <ssi> aww it's a cherokee :D
[15:28:41] <_methods> airplane pilots are such shitty drivers
[15:28:46] <_methods> lol
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[15:28:56] <_methods> blockin up the roads
[15:29:00] <ssi> yep
[15:29:05] <ssi> last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5glC4r38UPM
[15:29:22] <_methods> fun fun
[15:30:59] <_methods> is that a river or a lake you're over?
[15:31:06] <ssi> it's a reservoir
[15:31:10] <_methods> ahh
[15:31:25] <ssi> https://www.google.com/maps/@33.3629939,-84.2849982,13.66z
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[15:39:03] <JT-Shop> to check if a string is in some kind of list how would you do that in C++?
[15:40:06] <_methods> what kind of list?
[15:40:20] <ssi> some kind of list
[15:40:22] <JT-Shop> I'm open
[15:40:43] <JT-Shop> I have strings like " 10", " 20" etc
[15:40:57] <JT-Shop> and I want to do if (x is in list)
[15:41:42] <_methods> you need to know how they're separated then iterate through the list to find your string ?
[15:41:53] <_methods> or strings
[15:42:31] <ssi> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24139428/c-check-if-element-is-in-the-list-contains
[15:42:33] <_methods> is the list in a db, txt file, user input?
[15:42:51] <_methods> array, struct
[15:42:55] <JT-Shop> they are constants
[15:43:06] <JT-Shop> they can be in anything really
[15:44:32] <JT-Shop> what I'm trying to do is loop through dxf entities and when I get to " 10" the next thing is the X start point of a line
[15:45:34] <_methods> so you're iterating through a .dxf to find your string
[15:46:16] <JT-Shop> yea, when I get to a line for example I want to collect the start and end position then convert it to G code
[15:46:21] <ssi> JT-Shop: whatcha working on?
[15:46:24] <_methods> kk
[15:46:52] <JT-Shop> a really simple G code generator in C++
[15:47:04] <JT-Shop> read a dxf file and spit out some G code
[15:47:11] <JT-Shop> mostly to learn C++
[15:47:14] <ssi> gotcha
[15:47:24] <ssi> personally I wouldn't want to do anything modern in c++ :P
[15:47:47] <JT-Shop> what would you use?
[15:48:10] <ssi> well go is my pet language of choice these days, but I would use something with better text processing for one thing
[15:48:45] <JT-Shop> go?
[15:48:48] <ssi> yea go is awesome
[15:48:55] <ssi> https://golang.org
[15:49:24] <ssi> ken thompson and a bunch of google dweebs sat down and imagined what would happen if C were created nowadays, and what they ended up with is go
[15:50:04] <ssi> send me the test dxf you're working with and an example of the sort of thing you're trying to do, and I'll whack together an example program for ya
[15:50:14] <JT-Shop> ok
[15:50:36] <cradek> there are already libraries, in probably every language, to read DXFs; I recommend using one instead of writing a new one
[15:50:45] <cradek> then you can jump right to the interesting part of what to do with the data
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[15:57:32] <JT-Shop> I looked at some of them but they were all above my pay grade so I needed to learn more
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[16:00:41] <Jymmm> furrywolf: WTF... it's ILLEGAL to collect rainwater?! http://www.naturalnews.com/029286_rainwater_collection_water.html#
[16:01:23] <malcom2073> Ahh california
[16:01:39] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Ahhh UTAH biotch!
[16:01:50] <malcom2073> Psh, cali would do something like that too
[16:02:25] <pcw_home> Utah is about the most corrupt state in the Union
[16:03:02] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Nope, the water cmpany has PDF's of how to construct a rainbarrel system you goober!
[16:03:02] <pcw_home> but water laws are byzantine almost everywhere
[16:03:47] <Jymmm> If it's 'THEIR" water, then should I charge a storage fee for it being on my land? lol
[16:03:50] <malcom2073> Maryland had a rain tax a while back, but they got rid of it
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[16:05:58] <Jymmm> Interesting... "California's Graywater Standards are now part of the State Plumbing Code, making it LEGAL to use graywater everywhere in California. "
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[16:06:23] <ssi> Jymmm: the city where the house I don't live in anymore is keeps sending me bills every month for "stormwater collection"
[16:06:36] <ssi> it's $5/mo, and I was paying it for awhile, but they never applied my payments to the bill
[16:06:47] <Jymmm> ssi: lovely
[16:06:47] <ssi> so I quit paying it, and they sent more bills saying my service would be interrupted
[16:06:54] <ssi> I was hoping they'd interrupt my service but no such luck
[16:07:09] <Jymmm> ssi: Those bastards! lmao
[16:07:14] <Jymmm> ssi: where was this?
[16:07:22] <ssi> suburb of atlanta
[16:07:28] <Jymmm> ah ga
[16:07:59] <Jymmm> I like the idea of collecting rainwater, not sure about greywater though
[16:09:50] <skunkworks> Jymmm, turbocnc was a great learning experience. (but it is exact stop only)
[16:10:08] <Jymmm> skunkworks: "exact stop" ?
[16:10:31] <skunkworks> it stops at every segment endpoint
[16:10:43] <skunkworks> No read-ahead
[16:10:56] <Jymmm> skunkworks: ah
[16:11:53] <Jymmm> Dumb question... Could greywater be used to flush toilets without treatment?
[16:12:15] <ssi> sure
[16:12:26] <Jymmm> would it stink up the house?
[16:12:33] <anomynous_> what is greywater?
[16:12:37] <ssi> depends on the greywater
[16:12:48] <skunkworks> like what is comes out of a washing machine
[16:12:49] <ssi> if it's shower drains that don't get pissed in, I think it'd be fine
[16:12:50] <Jymmm> anomynous_: shower, washingmachine, drainoff
[16:13:13] <Jymmm> anomynous_: non poop water
[16:13:31] <anomynous_> a ha
[16:13:50] <Jymmm> anomynous_: black water is poop and other non-useable water
[16:14:18] <anomynous_> all water goes down the drain here. From washing machine to shower to sink to... Why does it have separate name? Is it collected and reused?
[16:14:28] <skunkworks> isn't california looking at using treated sewer as drinking water?
[16:15:13] <Jymmm> anomynous_: Yes, but you see it mostly in RV ad trailers...they have grey and black water holding tanks depending on what/where/how/ it's to be dumped
[16:15:49] <ssi> and boats
[16:16:00] <Jymmm> skunkworks: I did see a treatment facility in Orange County that can process raw sewage into potable water in 45 minutes.
[16:16:09] <skunkworks> cool
[16:16:18] <skunkworks> astranauts do it...
[16:16:57] <Jymmm> skunkworks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG5zdAgteEI
[16:17:06] <skunkworks> http://imgur.com/a/hm4PA
[16:17:24] <skunkworks> finally cut the penquin that I had run virtually 1000s of times
[16:19:49] <Jymmm> skunkworks: lol
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[16:40:34] <ganzuul> India really should have a significant manufacturing advantage over China, because of the filthy British.
[16:40:56] <ganzuul> ...while on the subject of **** all...
[16:41:08] <_methods> i hear facebook has imploded
[16:41:13] <ssi> ?
[16:41:45] <_methods> facebook no workie i guess
[16:41:54] <ssi> works here
[16:42:03] <_methods> interesting
[16:42:08] <_methods> must be regional
[16:42:54] <_methods> i go to facebook and it just throws an error
[16:43:34] <_methods> looks like the fixed it
[16:48:18] <Jymmm> too bad
[16:48:52] <ssi> lol
[16:49:30] <Contract_Pilot> Sup
[16:51:08] <Jymmm> Greywater creation = apx 25gallons per person, per day.
[16:52:03] <Jymmm> (excluding washing machine, dishwasher, etc)
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[16:57:00] <enleth> Eh, the bport motor turned out to be in a serious need of shaft replacement. It may or may not be easier to fit a new motor.
[16:58:27] <enleth> Or I could send the rotor to John Stevenson for repair.
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[17:09:23] <CaptHindsight> ganzuul: it's their culture that holds them back
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[17:10:33] <CaptHindsight> Japan had the tech advantage long before China but squandered it
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[17:21:03] <JT-Shop> hmm go is real slow compared to c++
[17:21:22] <ssi> not necessarily true
[17:21:24] <Jymmm> go turtle go turtle
[17:21:35] <JT-Shop> maybe because I used go run?
[17:21:47] <ssi> I think that builds on run
[17:23:21] <JT-Shop> yea, I used go build then ran the executable and fast as c++ afaik
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[17:34:13] <anomynous> sliced potatoes, carrots, meat and onion into the pot goes with some salt and pepper and some other things. Hot on, and stew come out. For tomorrow and for the weekend ;D
[17:37:17] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTiccjBGE8 spot on 25mm hole ;D
[17:40:10] <archivist> enleth, a long way to send it, no one nearer?
[17:43:53] <enleth> archivist: I found a few local shops that do generic machine shaft repairs the same way John does it (weld, then turn), but I'd trust him much more with that
[17:44:21] <enleth> archivist: I mean, if he still does those repairs
[17:45:24] <archivist> I think so although semi retired now
[17:46:20] <enleth> Well, I just have to ask. He was happy to answer a few questions a week ago, so I'll just follow up on that.
[17:46:58] <enleth> I guess it would be best to find a local shop to press the core off the shaft, ship the shaft to John and then press the core back on.
[17:48:44] <archivist> he is the sort who cannot sit down and vegitate I think so will be in his workshop forever
[17:50:10] <enleth> And that's good for him
[17:50:54] <archivist> he bought himself a retirement present....a large milling machine
[17:50:55] <enleth> People who insist on actually retiring literally die of boredom not long thereafter.
[17:52:49] <malcom2073> My dad retired, he's busier now than he was when he worked
[17:53:06] <enleth> My high school physics teacher was over 70 when took his classes and he always said that his biggest fear is forced retirement, he was sure he'd die quickly having no one to teach.
[17:53:40] <enleth> malcom2073: that means he just traded one job, paid with cash, for another, paid with fun
[17:53:51] <enleth> *when I took
[17:53:59] <malcom2073> Yep
[17:54:36] <enleth> archivist: how large?
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[18:02:44] <archivist> enleth, style of a bridgeport but a bit bigger
[18:04:13] <archivist> had an indexer on it when I was there for making an adapter plate
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[18:18:01] <furrywolf> grrr. UPS is at it again. 6 days since something shipped and it has only moved once.
[18:18:19] <furrywolf> how can any company so consistently fail to meet their delivery times?
[18:18:32] <CaptHindsight> my story with Fedex
[18:18:59] <ssi> the landscape sucks
[18:19:13] <CaptHindsight> USPS has actually been the best the past year
[18:19:14] <ssi> USPS can deliver any moderate sized package way faster than either UPS or fedex, and way cheaper too
[18:19:21] <ssi> however when they lose it, you're fucked
[18:19:41] <ssi> if we could have UPS/fedex level accountability with USPS-level price and speed, we'd have something
[18:19:42] <Simonious> anyone used a Markforged printer and can tell me something about it?
[18:19:54] <furrywolf> I use USPS whenever I can.
[18:19:55] <CaptHindsight> I've had good success then with USPS, they have found every lost package
[18:19:59] <ssi> not me
[18:20:04] <furrywolf> UPS loses far more packages.
[18:20:10] <ssi> I've had I think four unrecoverable packages in the last couple years
[18:20:14] <furrywolf> and denies every single damage claim as a mattery of policy.
[18:21:13] <ssi> i don't understand why ups needs $15 and a week to get two pounds of package coast to coast when usps can do it in two days for $6
[18:21:59] <malcom2073> There's a reason USPS is out of money heh
[18:22:11] <CaptHindsight> congress
[18:22:29] <CaptHindsight> but actually doing well in spite of them
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[18:27:58] <Tom_itx> do they pay congress' wages?
[18:28:14] <ssi> who is 'they'
[18:28:22] <Tom_itx> usps
[18:28:36] <ssi> sure they do
[18:28:54] <Tom_itx> gee i thought i did
[18:28:56] <ssi> as much as 'they' as employees of usps pay taxes and therefore pay congress' wages like the rest of us
[18:29:22] <ssi> you thought you did? how can that be, cause I thought I did
[18:29:33] <Tom_itx> heh
[18:29:47] <ssi> any other silly semantic arguments? :)
[18:31:00] <furrywolf> what is the meaning of "is"?
[18:31:40] <ssi> ugh I got embroiled in a heated discussion the other day with some folks who got wrapped around the axle about the word "entitlement"
[18:31:51] <Tom_itx> 3rd person singular present indicative of be.
[18:32:05] <ssi> specifically about social security
[18:32:06] <Tom_itx> verb
[18:32:15] <ssi> paying into social security does not "entitle" you to receive money back
[18:32:21] <ssi> regardless of what you think that word means
[18:32:45] <furrywolf> if I'm not entitled to get it back, I should stop giving them any.
[18:32:55] <malcom2073> Your grand children paying into social security entitles you to receive money back, in so much that if it's still around when they're paying in, you're likely to be collecting it
[18:32:57] <ssi> furrywolf: you and me both
[18:33:05] <malcom2073> :P
[18:33:27] <ssi> malcom2073: no, meeting the qualifications for the entitlement entitles you to receive money. Not money "back", because there's no actual requirement to have paid anything in to receive the entitlement
[18:33:31] <furrywolf> that's 15something% of my income I want back.
[18:33:45] <Tom_itx> furrywolf, you're entitled to give it to someone else
[18:33:55] <ssi> no, you're COMPELLED to give it to someone else
[18:33:57] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Pick me, pick me to give it to!
[18:33:57] <ssi> words mean things!
[18:34:35] <Tom_itx> oh.. they're entitled to receive it
[18:34:58] <ssi> yes
[18:35:19] <ssi> I had a hard time trying to explain why entitled doesn't mean what they thought it did, til it finally occured to me
[18:35:22] <ssi> you hold a title to your house and your car
[18:35:36] <ssi> you don't OWN either... you are granted title to them based on meeting a bunch of criteria
[18:35:40] <ssi> you are entitled to them
[18:35:46] <furrywolf> and despite having that title, the government still feels the need to tell you what you can and can't do with it.
[18:35:51] <ssi> well that's the point
[18:36:07] <ssi> being entitled means that you meet the government's criteria to possess and occupy or operate
[18:36:14] <Tom_itx> ssi, all those papers mean is they know who to come after if something happens
[18:36:15] <ssi> if you stop meeting the criteria, you lose entitlement status
[18:36:23] <ssi> and they can take it from you
[18:36:37] <malcom2073> I've had cars without titles
[18:36:39] <malcom2073> what about them?
[18:36:59] <ssi> there's still a title even if you don't hold the physical paper
[18:37:02] * furrywolf thinks private property rights need to be greatly strengthened... HOAs shouldn't exist, and neighbors should mind their own damn business.
[18:37:10] <malcom2073> Or better yet, you can purchase a non-origonal title for a vehicle
[18:37:26] <malcom2073> ssi: What about a homebuilt trailer? There's no title, but you can still get one
[18:37:40] <ssi> malcom2073: you have to have title to it in order to operate it on public roads
[18:37:50] <ssi> the title comes into being when you register it as a homebuilt trailer and they assign a vin
[18:37:52] <malcom2073> Ah, so the title entitles you to operate it as a motor vehicle, it doesn't entitle you to own it
[18:38:03] <ssi> yes
[18:38:10] <ssi> but in the case of land it entitles you to own it
[18:38:13] <malcom2073> True
[18:38:26] <furrywolf> or, around here, you just drive vehicles with no title. :P
[18:38:27] <malcom2073> As much as you can actually "own" land
[18:38:31] <malcom2073> :/
[18:38:34] <ssi> and I dunno about cars, but I know with airplanes if you neglect to maintain registration (ie validity of title), they can take it
[18:38:47] <furrywolf> I'd say a full 20% of the vehicles owned by people I know have no titles or any paperwork in the driver's name.
[18:38:50] <ssi> malcom2073: well that's what I mean... you don't own land, you simply hold title to it
[18:39:13] <malcom2073> Right, cars aren't the same way, you're holding title to operating it on other peoples land (roads)
[18:39:31] <furrywolf> at least one of them has a "U.S. out of humboldt" bumper sticker. :)
[18:39:32] <ssi> actually in texas it's possible to have sovereign ownership of land, but as I understand it, it's a hassle to do and doesn't transfer on death
[18:39:37] <malcom2073> heh
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[18:39:54] <ssi> malcom2073: but operating it on public roads means it's subject to seizure
[18:40:15] <malcom2073> You still own it, however it can be leaned like any asset
[18:40:19] <malcom2073> liened*
[18:40:30] <Tom_itx> ssi sounds like a pesky lawyer
[18:40:36] <ssi> I wish
[18:40:43] <ssi> I want lawyer friends desperately
[18:40:49] <Tom_itx> you do?
[18:40:50] <ssi> but I've determined it's not possible to be friends with lawyers
[18:40:52] <Tom_itx> wtf for?
[18:40:54] <malcom2073> Haha
[18:40:54] <furrywolf> he's practicing for when the faa catches up with him.
[18:41:03] <ssi> furrywolf: I know that aspect of law fairly well :P
[18:41:06] <malcom2073> Laywers are like trolls... professional trolls
[18:41:24] <ssi> Tom_itx: they're useful to have around. I need to threaten to sue a bank here really soon
[18:41:28] <_methods> they'll be your friend as long as you funnel money into their wallet
[18:41:40] <ssi> most of what you need a lawyer for is writing threatening letters
[18:41:42] <Tom_itx> i know several lawyers
[18:42:20] <_methods> me too they keep sending me letters
[18:42:26] <ssi> :D
[18:42:28] <_methods> hahah
[18:42:44] <malcom2073> Hmm, I need a boring bar
[18:43:11] <ssi> malcom2073: the place near my house qualifies
[18:43:17] <malcom2073> Haha
[18:43:17] <ssi> they only have three kinds of beer and there's never more than two customers
[18:43:27] <malcom2073> There's a place near me with over a hundred beers on tap
[18:43:32] <malcom2073> I wonder how theyk eep them all fresh, or just tiny kegs?
[18:43:34] <ssi> that sounds more like an exciting bar
[18:43:47] <malcom2073> http://www.harborfreight.com/9-piece-boring-bar-set-1722.html
[18:43:51] <ssi> oh I'm sure they run 1/6 kegs on everything that's not popular in places like that
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[18:53:08] * furrywolf thinks all bars are both boring and annoying
[18:53:21] <ganzuul> Can turning galvanized steel cause health problems?
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[18:53:27] <ganzuul> ~machining
[18:53:51] <furrywolf> no
[18:54:00] <furrywolf> well, don't eat too much of it.
[18:54:07] <ganzuul> :3
[18:54:45] <ganzuul> I'm truing to make the washers for my new grinder run true.
[18:54:52] <ganzuul> They're stamped steel.
[18:55:42] <ganzuul> Not really sure if I'm doing something intelligent with them.
[18:55:50] <Sync> make your own
[18:56:41] <ganzuul> need moar tools >.>
[18:56:51] <ganzuul> Got a bit of a catch 22 going on.
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[18:58:16] <ganzuul> But I can apparently turn steel ok!
[18:59:40] <archivist> ganzuul, I just rub stuff like that on some wet and dry paper to clean them up
[18:59:54] <ganzuul> oh
[18:59:57] <ganzuul> okay
[19:00:51] <archivist> but who cares if you have that little bit of card/paper to level it out
[19:01:32] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: if you turn it _way_ too fast, and burn the zinc, then yes, ti can cause problems
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[19:05:35] <ssi> it takes a fair amount of zinc vapor to make you sick, and I doubt you'll get there turning
[19:06:16] <Sync> apparently you can get enough chrome airborne when welding a lot of stainless to get sick
[19:08:08] <ganzuul> I managed to turn fast ahnd hard enough to make my cuttin'ol fume!
[19:08:29] <ssi> yeah you'll smoke your oil, that's common
[19:08:34] <ganzuul> With the tool bit I ground myself at that
[19:08:40] <ssi> how's the grinder working out
[19:08:57] <ganzuul> I swapped the 200W one for a 370W one.
[19:09:05] <ssi> gotcha
[19:09:06] <ganzuul> Trying to true up the washers now.
[19:09:13] <ssi> with the lathe?
[19:09:20] <ganzuul> When this one slows down it make the entire room vibrate.
[19:09:28] <ssi> haha yeah mine's that way too
[19:10:09] <ganzuul> 200mm disks.
[19:10:21] <ganzuul> But at least it's unlikely to overheat.
[19:10:33] <ssi> the tool will overheat no matter what
[19:10:44] <ssi> grind slow, dip in water frequently, don't let the tool change color if you can help it
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[19:11:15] <SpeedEvil> 'glowing bright yellow' is generally bad
[19:11:18] <ssi> yep
[19:11:30] <ssi> any area that's blue will no longer hold an edge
[19:11:44] <ganzuul> I got the inner surface of the washers trued, maybe, but the outer one I'm not sure how to do. I'd have to mount them on an axle, but the holes aren't even centered.
[19:12:18] <ganzuul> I got a slight straw color on one part of the HSS tool bit I ground.
[19:12:37] <ssi> yeah... go slower
[19:12:40] <ganzuul> I hear white alumina disks run much cooler.
[19:12:41] <ssi> you won't get it perfect but do your best
[19:13:33] <ganzuul> And coarser grains remove metal as it heats up, sort of like stuff is supposed to when machining.
[19:14:14] <ssi> also dress the wheel frequently
[19:14:30] <ssi> dressing it removes the dull grains, exposing sharp grains, and sharp grains cut faster with less heating
[19:14:34] <ganzuul> I figure, best to have a little droplet of water one the work piece and when it evaporates, dunk it again.
[19:14:41] <SpeedEvil> leetle gardening water sprayer works
[19:15:06] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-HAND-HELD-PRESSURE-SPRAY-BOTTLE-1-LITRE-SPRAYER-WATER-WATERING-SPRAYING-PUMP-/321416966181?hash=item4ad5f1b025
[19:15:07] <ganzuul> ~on the
[19:15:23] <SpeedEvil> just set to make a teeny jet which hits the part+wheel
[19:15:38] <ganzuul> hmm
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[19:24:06] <furrywolf> "On 24 September 2015, a stampede resulted in the deaths of at least 1,300 pilgrims" I hate people.
[19:25:33] <membiblio> A machined ring with electronics inside - http://www.kokes.net/projectlonghaul/projectlonghaul.htm :)
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[19:26:07] <membiblio> Did someone else post this here a while (months) ago? Or similar?
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[19:31:58] * furrywolf has about given up on ever having a ring
[19:33:44] <ganzuul> pretty
[19:35:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.coveryourhair.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/pilgrim-clothes.jpg why would they stampede?
[19:40:36] <_methods> all those belt buckles
[19:40:47] <_methods> belt buckle on hat buckles on shoes
[19:41:17] <_methods> no wonder england kicked those yahoos out
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[19:43:06] <CaptHindsight> bucklers would of been a better fitting name
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[19:46:58] <CaptHindsight> nah, too much like pirates then
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[19:51:48] <ganzuul> Didn't they steal stuff from the natives or something?
[19:53:10] <_methods> wampum
[19:53:36] <ganzuul> Gesundheit.
[19:53:43] <_methods> they had to do something living in this buckleless land
[19:54:00] <_methods> what better way to deal with a buckle shortage then to slaughter the indigenous
[19:56:11] <_methods> https://www.shortsbrewing.com/beers/ermagerdness/
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[19:57:46] <MacGalempsy> hello
[19:59:43] <ganzuul> hi
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[20:14:40] <Loetmichel> meh... and there goes the HDD again... *rrrrrt CLICK rrrrrt CLICK rrrrrt CLICK rrrrrt CLICK TIIIIuuuuuuuuupt*... *BSOD* ... I should REALLY fix that broken Sata power plug...
[20:21:20] * ganzuul has flashbacks of HDD failures
[20:23:33] * Deejay hands over a hanky to ganzuul for the sweat on his forehead ;)
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[20:28:02] <ganzuul> Bad times.
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[20:31:09] <Loetmichel> ganzuul: the hdd itself is fine
[20:31:18] <Loetmichel> the power plug has a broken pin
[20:31:46] <Loetmichel> have to cannibalize a 80g disk that lays around and will transplant its State plug soon(TM)
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[20:35:23] <XXCoder> lol
[20:37:40] <Loetmichel> i tell myself i will do that soon since 6 months now ;)
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[20:41:35] <XXCoder> do it now
[20:43:51] <enleth> archivist: well, I asked John if he still does those motor shaft repairs. In case he doesn't, I'm already searching for factory shaft dimensions, should I require a completely new shaft made.
[20:44:18] <enleth> And I hope the core can be pressed off the shaft in the 2hp motor.
[20:46:01] <enleth> One thing that certainly contributes to motor shaft wear in bridgeports is the lack of any support at the end of the shaft
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[20:47:08] <enleth> It's pretty long, even longer on the CNC models, the belt is at the far end and the shaft is acting as a cantilever pulled by the belt, with the pulleys trying to bend it and digging into it.
[20:47:13] <Mac_VMC> Hello
[20:47:35] <enleth> I can't imagine why wouldn't they add another bearing cap to support the end
[20:47:42] <Sync> cost
[20:48:02] <enleth> Sync: but it's peanuts compared to everything else around
[20:50:26] <enleth> Even the turcite inserts in the movable pulley havles must have cost a lot more than a stupid bearing cap
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[20:51:41] <Sync> yes, but changing the production process is not
[20:51:55] <Sync> as you probably have to get new molds made, new fixtures blabla
[20:52:03] <enleth> meh, they did anyway for the CNC model, the castings are different
[20:52:16] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I wonder if they ever discovered belt loops for their pants? Or did they and just wear two sets of belts?
[20:52:33] <enleth> They look almost the same, but the motor is upside down, attachment points differ, those were new molds for sure
[20:53:03] <enleth> Anyway, one way to fix the thing I came up with is to machine a new pulley shaft that looks like the external part of the original motor shaft but ends with a stub at the motor end, support it with two new bearing plates and attach the motor with a high torque coupling
[20:53:15] <MacGalempsy> strange, when I run the vfd through the Ultra Master software, it shows a 2000 count encoder, but when I set the VFD to 100rpm, LCNC gives me an RPS of 400. the only way to get the RPS to show right is if I increase the encoder count to 8000, then the correct rps shows up.
[20:53:16] <enleth> Thus, the motor would not support any axial load.
[20:53:23] <enleth> bleh
[20:53:28] <enleth> radial, not axial
[20:53:37] <MacGalempsy> RPS equivalent of 400
[20:53:42] <Deejay> gn8
[20:53:51] <enleth> Wait, come to think of it, it would not support any axial load as well
[20:53:54] <Sync> MacGalempsy: rps != count
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[20:54:12] <Sync> if you have quadrature you get 4x the count
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[20:56:18] <MacGalempsy> ok
[20:56:32] <MacGalempsy> thanks Sync
[20:56:54] <MacGalempsy> so using the 8000 is ok
[20:57:03] <MacGalempsy> well, required
[20:59:22] <Sync> it always depends how the drive interprets it
[20:59:37] <Sync> if it wants the number of lines or the actual pulses per rev
[21:00:51] <MacGalempsy> the drive only gets a +10/-10 from the 7i77
[21:01:19] <MacGalempsy> which I can run from a 9v battery, but not from the 7i77...
[21:02:08] <Sync> measured the actual output of the 7i77?
[21:03:05] <MacGalempsy> it puts out nothing
[21:03:28] <MacGalempsy> with a volt meter. is there a hm2_... that shows output voltage?
[21:04:21] <Sync> there should be in the hal thing
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[21:06:32] <MacGalempsy> spindle-output goes to 0.02425 when the spindle turns on, but does not increase when I click the + button
[21:07:13] <tiwake> woo, just got a walk-in job
[21:09:34] <enleth> holy crap, I just saw a video of a reversing tapping head
[21:09:46] <enleth> I can imagine how it works, it doesn't even seem too complicated
[21:09:51] <enleth> but it still looks like magic.
[21:10:00] <tiwake> tapping head?
[21:10:21] <tiwake> not OD forming?
[21:11:00] <enleth> Enco, Tapmatic 30X and so on
[21:12:48] <enleth> The ones that disengage after reaching the bottom of the hole and reverse while the spindle they are mounted on is constantly rotating in one direction
[21:14:50] <malcom2073> Yeah the tapping heads are amazing
[21:16:06] <Sync> are you sure it is routed right MacGalempsy?
[21:17:04] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t31.0-8/12032850_1140143212666725_7761638403145224880_o.jpg
[21:17:06] <malcom2073> Big suckers
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[21:22:23] <MacGalempsy> Sync: I am pretty sure. the cmd+ and cmd- are in the appropriate7i77 pins and I am enabling the drive with a pyvcp button
[21:22:44] <Wolf_> Nice malcom2073
[21:22:50] <Sync> try to manually set the voltage
[21:23:32] <MacGalempsy> output_scale = 83.33 max_output=79.5 min_limit=-83.33 max_limit=+83.3
[21:23:43] <MacGalempsy> that should give me 9.5 volts
[21:25:07] <MacGalempsy> Sync: i dont know how to do that other than with an external source
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[21:26:48] <MacGalempsy> i tried sets spindle-output 5 and it gives me an error that says it already has writers
[21:28:03] <Sync> in the halcmd you should be able to set it
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[21:41:03] <Sync> MacGalempsy: did you find it?
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[21:47:30] <MacGalempsy> no
[21:49:41] <Sync> you are in the hal configuration dialog?
[22:05:19] <MacGalempsy> Sync: I got to go to class
[22:05:36] <MacGalempsy> thanks for your help.
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[22:46:57] <PetefromTn_> evening folks
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[22:53:29] <Contract_Pilot> Evening
[22:55:10] <zeeshan> hi
[22:55:26] <Wolf_> morning
[22:55:37] <PetefromTn_> heh
[22:55:44] <PetefromTn_> whatsgoinon?
[22:55:52] <PetefromTn_> anything interesting?
[22:56:05] <zeeshan> i got a quote to get the lathe moved
[22:56:10] <zeeshan> i think its pretty fair..
[22:56:13] <zeeshan> 600 bux
[22:56:15] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan they had a really sweet little car in the shop today you would probably appreciate
[22:56:18] <zeeshan> the guy comes with a 12000lb forklift
[22:56:25] <PetefromTn_> thats not bad really
[22:56:33] <zeeshan> and flatbed delivery for about 80miles
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[22:57:33] <PetefromTn_> I would say that is quite reasonable
[22:57:35] <zeeshan> what was cool about it
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[22:59:32] <PetefromTn_> are you asking me about the car?
[22:59:43] <zeeshan> yes
[23:00:28] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/SspWcgE It was a SWEET Immaculately clean MazdaSpeed Miata with an LS3 535 in it..
[23:00:40] <zeeshan> nice
[23:00:42] <zeeshan> beastly
[23:01:22] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/2fpow9j
[23:01:45] <PetefromTn_> the guy built it himself in his garage
[23:02:01] <PetefromTn_> and he just put about 1500 miles on it since he finished it
[23:02:10] <zeeshan> clean swap
[23:02:13] <PetefromTn_> he wanted to get it dyno tuned
[23:02:14] <Wolf_> sounds fun, for plowing right through turns
[23:02:29] <PetefromTn_> I gotta tell you it was unbelievably clean install
[23:02:46] <PetefromTn_> anyways they put it on the dyno this morning
[23:02:56] <PetefromTn_> and tried a baseline run before hooking up the computer
[23:03:05] <Wolf_> does look sweet
[23:03:09] <PetefromTn_> it made 430 to the wheels
[23:03:23] <PetefromTn_> then they tried to start tuning it
[23:03:41] <Wolf_> can’t see all that weight handling worth a shit, but cool install
[23:03:43] <PetefromTn_> and there was a problem with the port or something they could not get it to connect to the PC
[23:04:06] <PetefromTn_> actually it is supposedly just a little heavier than the original motor believe it or not
[23:04:16] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: you got no idea
[23:04:17] <PetefromTn_> and the custom install put the V8 farther back in the chassis
[23:04:18] <zeeshan> what youre talking about
[23:04:24] <zeeshan> dont talk shit plz
[23:04:52] <PetefromTn_> so apparently the weight distribution is at least what it was before if not better
[23:04:58] <zeeshan> its a bit worse
[23:05:07] <zeeshan> not many people are going to notice it
[23:05:13] <zeeshan> its like 52 48
[23:05:13] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say tho it is MUCH better in person than in the pictures
[23:05:24] <zeeshan> those miata v8s
[23:05:26] <PetefromTn_> it sounded very very nice too
[23:05:29] <zeeshan> smoke almost any supercar i've seen
[23:05:37] <zeeshan> they;re almost as quick as the caterhams
[23:05:44] <zeeshan> or the ariel atoms
[23:05:49] <PetefromTn_> the funny thing is after he left
[23:05:57] <PetefromTn_> we were going over the dyno data
[23:06:02] <Wolf_> I guess I need to stop playing with motors that weight 2000lbs
[23:06:14] <zeeshan> wofl pushrod v8
[23:06:18] <zeeshan> win !
[23:06:18] <PetefromTn_> and it appears that the tires were spinning on the dyno a bit because it was showing slip
[23:06:24] <zeeshan> lol
[23:06:49] <PetefromTn_> that car really will probably make around 500 or more once he gets it tuned right.
[23:06:58] <PetefromTn_> not sure why it would not pair with the computer tho...
[23:07:12] <zeeshan> whats a 535?
[23:07:12] <Wolf_> almost all diesel shit here at my shop right now
[23:07:17] <zeeshan> 535 cubic inch?
[23:07:19] <PetefromTn_> It was a VERY VERY nice car and the guy was really cool
[23:07:32] <Wolf_> have 7.3l and 6.0l stacked all over
[23:08:00] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I am not into the chevy v8's really but he had a little factory looking emblem on the fender that said LS3 535 on it...
[23:08:05] <PetefromTn_> it was a crate motor apparently
[23:08:19] <PetefromTn_> all brand new motor, tranny, and rear end etc..
[23:08:34] <zeeshan> oh i didnt read ls3
[23:08:35] <zeeshan> nice
[23:08:36] <Wolf_> I haven’t touched a gas motor v8 in like 10 years...
[23:08:36] <PetefromTn_> he said that there is a HUGE amount of videos about the build on youtube
[23:08:37] <zeeshan> expensive
[23:09:05] <PetefromTn_> he was sponsored at least partially by jegs or something
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[23:09:50] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMANVXpcbIM yup here it is...
[23:09:56] <zeeshan> brb
[23:10:19] <PetefromTn_> he was pretty disappointed he could not get it tuned but he is supposed to be bringing it back once he sorts out the computer issue
[23:19:58] <zeeshan> nice vid
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[23:32:27] <Tom_itx> who'z havin aluminum chips for supper?
[23:32:42] <PetefromTn_> Ooh me me!!
[23:35:13] <enleth> Yay, John is still doing bridgeport motor repairs.
[23:36:20] <enleth> But he confirmed my fears: the core does not come off the shaft easily, it at all. It would cost a small fortune to ship the thing whole both ways.
[23:36:27] <enleth> *if at all
[23:38:39] <enleth> So all I have is his advice and local shops, all of which have surely never seen a bridgeport, let alone repair a varidrive shaft.
[23:39:27] <enleth> That sucks.
[23:45:42] <PetefromTn_> anyone got a good supplier for 1095 carbon tool steel?
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[23:58:52] <CaptHindsight> http://paceperformance.com/i-7739382-19301360-chevrolet-performance-ls3-525hp-crate-engine.html
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[23:59:52] <CaptHindsight> old school engine with modern accessories