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[00:08:45] <Sync> well, you are not going back, I can guarantee you
[00:08:51] <Sync> just spend the money for the servos
[00:08:54] <Sync> you will not regret it
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[00:11:12] <roycroft> and now volkswagen have admitted that they've been cheating on emissions controls world wide
[00:11:41] <roycroft> so please explain again how they were forced to do this because of too much regulation in the united states, and how our regulatory climate should be more like europe
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[00:11:54] <Tom_itx> those crafty little buggers
[00:12:28] <tjtr33> JT-Shop, why not use a structure? C++ can still do things like C did.
[00:12:42] <Wolf_> I’m waiting for the ECU reflash, and for someone to make a new tuner flash for the vw..
[00:13:24] <Sync> roycroft: it's an old hat
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[00:41:12] <furrywolf> http://lostcoastoutpost.com/scanner-traffic-indicates/player/ heh, that's cute. probably as an excuse for not writing as many articles, they hooked a scanner up to the internet. lol
[00:43:45] <furrywolf> good thing we're backwoods types with analog radios rather than fancy trunking systems. :)
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[01:04:39] <malcom2073> Lol
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[01:27:48] <furrywolf> yay! I now own ebay ultracaps. paid a lot for them, but it's a nice module.
[01:31:06] <furrywolf> ... and I'd paste the url if my internet connection wasn't sucking so badly I can't load it.
[01:32:00] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maxwell-boostcap-18-x-BCAP2600-144-Farad-48V-Ultracapacitor-BoostCap-battery-/221887154520
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[01:37:57] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/5hLwo1B ;)
[01:38:42] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/s2WNfWg
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[01:38:45] <furrywolf> now anodize them electric blue just to piss people off. :P
[01:39:09] <malcom2073> Nice PetefromTn_
[01:39:54] <PetefromTn_> two of them are gonna be black hopefully before the night is thru
[01:40:01] <PetefromTn_> thanks malcolm
[01:40:36] <PetefromTn_> they all look identical but they are actually all different LOL
[01:41:30] <furrywolf> intentionally or acidentally? :)
[01:41:50] <PetefromTn_> I need a new stereo for my Van and I was thinking of splurging a little on an in dash flip up DVD player...using the paypal from one of these babies!
[01:41:57] <PetefromTn_> Oh totally intentionally
[01:42:09] <PetefromTn_> the droop compensation angle is different on all of them.
[01:42:23] <PetefromTn_> One is 20, one is 16, one is 15 and the other is 5 MOA
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[01:44:09] <Wolf_> moa mounts are cool
[01:44:30] <Wolf_> I have a 20 moa on one of my rifles
[01:46:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah they can help especially for airguns
[01:47:20] <Wolf_> mine is on a 300win mag :D
[01:47:38] <PetefromTn_> wow that is a good bit of droop for such a hot cartridge
[01:47:54] <Wolf_> at a grand they drop a good bit
[01:48:27] * furrywolf always figured that was the job of the 'scope, not of the rail design
[01:48:57] <Wolf_> it helps keep the scope mechanically centered
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[01:51:10] <furrywolf> grrr. ebay has broken their javascript on the request total page, so it doesn't work.
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[02:10:48] * furrywolf has never wanted video in a vehicle
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[02:21:35] <Tom_itx> looks good PetefromTn_
[02:21:55] <PetefromTn_> thanks Tom~
[02:22:13] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf you obviously do not have kids and a minivan
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[02:23:17] <PetefromTn_> or as I like to call it....the Uber Manly do anything fit everyone super cool badass ultimate utility vehicle!!!
[02:23:49] <Tom_itx> does it come in black?
[02:24:03] <PetefromTn_> what the rail or the van? :D
[02:24:08] <malcom2073> Heh I remember those commercials
[02:24:14] <Tom_itx> oh the rails of course
[02:24:26] <PetefromTn_> hehehe yeah it does actually
[02:24:49] <PetefromTn_> did you not see my black model pictures?
[02:25:01] <PetefromTn_> black anodized even
[02:25:10] <Tom_itx> yeah
[02:25:20] <Tom_itx> just messin again..
[02:25:41] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[02:26:13] <furrywolf> I have a F350 Superduty XL extended van. it's like a minivan, but not mini. :)
[02:26:18] <furrywolf> seats 15...
[02:26:59] <PetefromTn_> would be even cooler with video
[02:28:02] <furrywolf> because if I'm sitting somewhere bored (pretty much never happens) I might suddenly decide to go obtain a video and watch it? heh
[02:29:12] <PetefromTn_> no man you are supposed to take your favorite videos with you silly of course
[02:30:35] * furrywolf has no videos
[02:30:55] <furrywolf> s/F350/E350
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[03:06:57] <t12> coupler now done
[03:07:01] <t12> tool wobble gone
[03:07:06] <t12> success
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[03:12:39] <furrywolf> John McAfee is running for president? LOL
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[03:13:24] <furrywolf> having him for president would be... amusing? scary? he's only pretty much insane.
[03:13:43] <furrywolf> sorry, "eccentric" :P
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[04:06:43] <MacGalempsy> yo im back
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[06:17:03] <MacGalempsy> anyone around?
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[06:57:21] <Deejay> moin
[06:58:47] <ganzuul> o/
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[08:33:33] <ganzuul> Bleh.
[08:33:58] <ganzuul> the 200W bench grinder I bought is probably a miswired 150W.
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[09:41:08] <ganzuul> http://imgur.com/wRkA0xT
[09:41:18] <ganzuul> So.. whaddaya think?
[09:47:36] <XXCoder> ganzuul: lathe tool eh
[09:50:39] <ganzuul> yeah
[09:50:55] <XXCoder> looks cool but I dont know enough to spot problems, if any.
[09:51:02] <ganzuul> I have this white buffing compound bar
[09:51:18] <ganzuul> Tried getting some on a bit of wood, but I dunno...
[09:51:44] <ganzuul> Some soft metal, maybe?
[09:52:11] <XXCoder> is it magentic?
[09:52:22] <XXCoder> its nice way to halve possibilities
[09:56:29] <ganzuul> Alimuna powder with just a little binder, I think. I meant what to use as a surface for the buffing compound.
[09:56:47] <XXCoder> ahh
[09:56:51] <ganzuul> Tried a bit of paper tape on the wood. Works kinda OK.
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[10:00:59] <ganzuul> I hear tin is the best.
[10:03:20] <XXCoder> its fairly soft and cheap metal
[10:03:25] <XXCoder> you can easily melt it
[10:03:28] <ganzuul> mmh
[10:03:36] <XXCoder> just be careful of tin fever lol
[10:03:39] <ganzuul> Should be some in hobby stores
[10:03:40] <XXCoder> or was that zinc
[10:03:53] <XXCoder> or just grab cans, theyre usually tin if I recall.
[10:04:42] <XXCoder> I dont support vanalism but this is interesting read.
http://fascinately.com/funny/2015/09/graffiti-artist-tests-the-patience-of-local-authorities-with-this-hilarious-experiment/
[10:07:28] <XXCoder> ganzuul: I mean food tins not soda cans those are alum, in case I wasnt clear lol
[10:08:12] <ganzuul> mmh...
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[10:11:31] <XXCoder> tin can be melted inside alum foil bucket apparently
[10:12:49] <XXCoder> it may be tin/lead mix though
[10:15:11] <ganzuul> I have this little cast iron pan which is actually for entrecote steak...
[10:15:58] <ganzuul> Maybe I have to buy some expensive beef and try my hand at it.
[10:16:06] <XXCoder> Melting Point 231.93 °C
[10:16:18] <XXCoder> thats for tin lol
[10:16:26] <ganzuul> Although I'm starting to suspect my stomach disagrees with red meat.
[10:19:31] <XXCoder> red meat is overrated
[10:19:44] <XXCoder> I evenually want to just stop eating food and go pure soylent
[10:23:19] <XXCoder> heh LOTS updates since I last read this
http://www.elementsales.com/ecoins.htm
[10:23:37] <XXCoder> still no tungein coin, its very very hard metal.,
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[10:34:19] <malcom2073> Motors today!
[10:34:50] <malcom2073> So I will take them out, measure them, stick them back in the box for another two weeks while I make my adapter plates heh
[10:35:13] <XXCoder> lol
[10:35:29] <XXCoder> still waiting for my shiny new parallel port card bleh
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[10:43:50] <XXCoder> wow interesting www.iflscience.com/chemistry/recipe-metallic-glass-alloys-stronger-steel-malleable-putty-created
[10:43:59] <XXCoder> wonder if it means we would evenually mill em lol
[10:59:22] <ganzuul> :D
[10:59:33] * ganzuul has turned something alright!
[11:00:10] <ganzuul> Will definitely need a good 4 jaw though...
[11:00:50] <XXCoder> any pics?
[11:00:57] <ganzuul> okay...
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[11:05:22] <ganzuul> http://imgur.com/v9UkEDQ
[11:05:26] <ganzuul> Threads aren't mine.
[11:05:32] <ganzuul> Just the facing and OD.
[11:06:24] <XXCoder> nice finish
[11:06:35] <XXCoder> funny how you display brass rod on even larger one. lol
[11:10:16] <ganzuul> :p
[11:11:00] <ganzuul> I can get the big brass rod into the chuck, but just a little more open and one jaw falls out.
[11:11:17] <ganzuul> So I decided I'll need a bigger chuck for that.
[11:11:31] <XXCoder> thats cool :)
[11:11:50] <XXCoder> I have bunch of largish plastic discs not too sure what to do with em
[11:11:56] <XXCoder> company trash is useful sometimes.
[11:13:16] <XXCoder> just typed out and gave second worse review for book I ever wrote
[11:13:53] <XXCoder> first one was one star, because they decided to paste pictures all over and copyrights in each page. I couldn't read it on kindle lol
[11:14:48] <XXCoder> ganzuul: you a reader?
[11:15:08] <ganzuul> hm?
[11:15:16] <XXCoder> reads books
[11:15:25] <ganzuul> Of course.
[11:15:43] <XXCoder> cool. what genre? typically science fiction and somewhat fantasy here
[11:16:08] <ganzuul> Mostly non-fiction these days. Otherwise, same.
[11:17:00] <XXCoder> if youre curious
https://www.librarything.com/catalog/xxcoder
[11:18:14] <XXCoder> oh yeah amari LOL that book was so bad
[11:18:20] <ganzuul> 1 – 50 of 442
[11:18:23] <ganzuul> o.O
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[11:18:53] <XXCoder> yeah thats only mostly physical books. I has another 400+, mostly free ebooks
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[11:20:47] <ganzuul> Any sci-fi or fantasy books with very detailed environments you could recommend?
[11:21:04] <XXCoder> well I know a few but its very hard scifi
[11:21:07] <ganzuul> Preferably excessive, over the top detail.
[11:21:13] <XXCoder> its like mainlining heroin lol
[11:21:44] <XXCoder> light of other days is my abosute favorite
[11:21:45] <ganzuul> I've read a few which were like little babby food.
[11:21:55] <XXCoder> (scifi version not other one love book one)
[11:22:20] <ganzuul> ooh, nice
[11:22:36] <ganzuul> I've read a bunch of ACC.
[11:22:44] <XXCoder> the manfold series (like manfold: time) is very hard scifi
[11:23:16] <SpeedEvil> stephen baxter.
[11:23:19] <XXCoder> vacuum diagrams is nice indeed, its part of Xeelee universe
[11:23:26] <SpeedEvil> Iain M Banks also
[11:23:34] <XXCoder> xeelee usually very detailed
[11:23:45] <ganzuul> Are those detailed environments, or favorites?
[11:23:49] <ganzuul> ah
[11:23:51] <SpeedEvil> both
[11:24:21] <XXCoder> ganzuul: Xeelee books cover basically everything
[11:24:30] <XXCoder> from beginning of universe to end
[11:24:35] <XXCoder> mainly human focused
[11:25:07] <ganzuul> cool
[11:25:25] <ganzuul> Gonna read me some Baxter then. :)
[11:25:43] <XXCoder> vacuum diagrams is stories book, ranging hugely in scope and when
[11:26:47] <SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reality_Dysfunction also
[11:27:00] <XXCoder> yeah I have all 6 books
[11:27:05] <XXCoder> tough read!
[11:29:53] <XXCoder> In the balance (and rest of books related it) is very hard for me to follow. EXTREME details. ganzuul you'll love it.
[11:30:02] <XXCoder> harry turtledove
[11:30:40] <XXCoder> basically aliens decide to attack earth, which happens to be in world war 2.
[11:30:49] <XXCoder> guess this reality they turned around and left.
[11:31:26] <ganzuul> OR DID THEY
[11:31:45] <XXCoder> probably not. you'd know if you read it lol
[11:31:56] <XXCoder> 6 books total, a trilogy, duology and single book
[11:32:27] <ganzuul> Maybe I'll have time to read more sci-fi now that I'm changing carreers. In IT all I read was engineering and science stuff.
[11:32:43] <XXCoder> oh im wrong
[11:32:45] <XXCoder> 8 books
[11:33:00] <XXCoder> quadlogy, trilogy and finally a single book
[11:33:25] <XXCoder> I love covers on those books.
[11:36:34] <XXCoder> ganzuul: well you got plenty of suggestions now :D
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[11:39:56] <ganzuul> yeah :)
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[11:42:41] <XXCoder> part of my review for secets of alchemist - "Seems each time adult speaks I almost cringe. Like they were all have been hit by idiot stick in least once. By 2/3 of book, it seemed like every adult has been seriously beaten and hospitalized by idiot stick."
[11:44:28] <XXCoder> all adults was pretty badly written in that book
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[11:44:41] <XXCoder> and haha like i said, the last 2/3 of book...
[11:52:33] <XXCoder> anyway
[11:52:35] <XXCoder> night
[11:52:40] <XXCoder> good reading, ganzuul lol
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[12:22:07] * ganzuul made the shiny thing shinier!
[12:22:17] <ganzuul> Night XXCoder!
[12:23:19] <ganzuul> Can say I'm actually happy with this finish.
[12:23:41] <ganzuul> Just took some buffing of the tool bit.
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[12:25:56] <archivist> ganzuul, you can go up the grades with wet and dry paper or better the 3M micron grades
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2006/2006_09_07_pendulum/P9072701.JPG
[12:26:20] <fenn> try making a vertical shear cutter
[12:37:37] <ganzuul> shiny <3
[12:39:05] <ganzuul> fenn: One of those is definitely on my to-do list
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[14:51:26] <anomynous> can others view hidden videos on youtube if i link them?
[14:51:37] <anomynous> or private
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[14:54:32] <skunkworks> there is unlisted and private. private you have to allow youtube users access to the videos
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[15:09:16] <Simonious> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yfcdq32wej7pgde/3%20of%207%20%28holes%29.ngc?dl=0 Behold N20 and N55 I'm not seeing a way to change this initial rapid so that it doesn't drag the toolhead across the surface of the work (w/o hand editing every output file).
[15:12:33] <Simonious> Hmm.. I see I didn't specifiy this was generated in Fusion 360
[15:13:37] <_methods> change your clearance and retract plane
[15:14:03] <_methods> looks like you might have retract set to Z0.6?
[15:14:24] <Simonious> lets see.. Clearance is set to 0.4
[15:14:30] <Simonious> retract 0.2
[15:14:44] <Simonious> it's just that initial move that isn't right, the rest obey the settings
[15:14:56] <_methods> yeah your initial height is set wrong
[15:15:05] <_methods> i think 360 has 3 height settings
[15:15:25] <Simonious> it has clearance heigh, retract height, feed height, top height and bottom height
[15:15:26] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_zAcUYEEzg can you open this?
[15:15:50] <_methods> what is feed height set to?
[15:16:04] <Sync> yes anomynous
[15:16:15] <Simonious> _methods: 0.2
[15:16:35] <Simonious> top and bottom are both set to 0.0
[15:16:36] <_methods> hmmm
[15:17:52] <JT-Shop> wow no height at all
[15:18:28] <Simonious> (changing top height doesn't fix the problem)
[15:18:53] <_methods> is there a preamble setting area
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[15:19:05] <_methods> wonder if it's hardcoded to go to z0. somewhere
[15:19:17] <_methods> it's been awhile since i used 360
[15:19:30] <_methods> but i seem to remember having an issue with this
[15:20:14] <_methods> let me see if i still have my vm setup with 360 on it
[15:20:26] <Simonious> _methods: I appreciate you taking a look
[15:20:28] <_methods> np
[15:20:38] <_methods> might take me a while since i haven't fired it up in so long
[15:20:42] <_methods> i'm sure i'll have to update lol
[15:21:24] <Simonious> when outputting the gcode (post process) there is an open config option, but.. I haven't seen a thing in there that solves my problem. I've poked at it a little, but only succeeded in making things worse so far.
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[15:22:28] <_methods> i gotta update
[15:22:31] <_methods> hehe might be a min
[15:24:02] <_methods> 80%
[15:24:02] <Simonious> I tried adding retractHeight: 0.4 in the user defined properties section.. it changed the extention AND deletes the file immediately if it even generates one..
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[15:26:02] <_methods> ok i'm using there 2d cam sample part
[15:26:09] <_methods> give me a sec to review
[15:26:14] <Simonious> :)
[15:26:54] <_methods> ok did you set up stock?
[15:27:12] <Simonious> I don't know how to answer that.. I imported a file..
[15:27:27] <Simonious> I created a stock point
[15:27:34] <_methods> ok on the setup button there is a stock tab
[15:27:49] <Simonious> oh that.. I let it autobound the imported
[15:27:51] <_methods> just give it something to work with
[15:27:53] <_methods> kk
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[15:28:16] <Simonious> it creates a nice box with faces that 'cube' the outermost dimensions of the imported work
[15:28:28] <Simonious> 'bounding box'
[15:28:32] <_methods> yeah good i just wanted to make suree you had a stock box
[15:28:39] <_methods> sometimes taht will screw up some cam packages
[15:28:44] <_methods> not giving it a stock
[15:31:07] <_methods> ok in clearance height what do you have selected in from
[15:31:28] <Simonious> uhm.
[15:31:43] <Simonious> retract height
[15:31:45] <Simonious> default
[15:31:51] <_methods> ok select stock top
[15:32:32] <_methods> then try reposting
[15:33:53] <Simonious> I'm still seeing z0. looking to see if it was corrected elsewhere now
[15:34:00] <_methods> k
[15:34:57] <Simonious> no.. it still has the z0. fail, but now the retract is 0.4 instead of 0.6 (line N60)
[15:35:26] <_methods> yeah it has a unique clearance retract height setting
[15:35:34] <Simonious> seen again in line N130
[15:35:43] <_methods> it can be confusing using other heights to set heights
[15:36:05] <Simonious> alright, I'm going to hammer their forum again. The good thing is they are doing constant updates.
[15:36:33] <Simonious> anything else you think I should try first?
[15:37:46] <Simonious> alright thanks for the ideas, afk
[15:38:01] <Jymmm> Tequlia always comes first =)
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[15:43:33] <_methods> ok
[15:43:50] <_methods> Simonious: it's hardcoded to do that as a safety move
[15:44:13] <_methods> so g53 z0 is machine coordinates z0 which is usually all the way up on a mill
[15:44:23] <_methods> what post processor are you using
[15:44:58] <_methods> you can see on line 60 it's moving to z0.6 after it applies teh tool length offset
[15:45:15] <_methods> but line n10-n20 are all setup lines
[15:46:16] <_methods> you'll actually have to edit the post processor to alter those lines
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[15:54:02] <archivist> description and price error
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUPERB-KAFER-JKA-FEINTASTER-WATCHMAKER-PRECISION-BENCH-MICROMETER-MIC-GERMAN-/161834998728
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[16:06:31] <Simonious> _methods: linuxcnc
[16:11:08] <Simonious> _methods: Hmm, I'm game got any tips on how to edit the post processor?
[16:11:23] * Simonious googles.
[16:11:34] <_methods> i'm tryin to find
[16:13:30] <Simonious> ~\AppData\Local\Autodesk\webdeploy\production\3d370b3840f21577b83404e691635b0a40f84ed6\Applications\CAM360\Data\Posts seems like a good place to start..
[16:14:08] <Simonious> oh.. that.. that's the same file the config button opens... I haven't had any luck in here so far.
[16:15:15] <Simonious> here's an interesting line: useG28: false // turn on to use G28 instead of G53 for machine retracts
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[16:17:07] <_methods> yeah
[16:19:19] <_methods> function forceXYZ() { xOutput.reset(); yOutput.reset(); zOutput.reset();
[16:19:20] <_methods> }
[16:19:37] <_methods> that line i think you might want to comment out the zoutput.reset
[16:20:00] <Simonious> the useG28 line.. set to true *might* do it and seems like a better starting point.
[16:20:18] <_methods> g28 will do basically the same thing as g53
[16:20:28] * Simonious shrugs
[16:20:33] <Simonious> worth a try
[16:21:17] <Simonious> I've made a note of your suggestion as well :)
[16:23:04] <_methods> where'd you get this linuxcnc post?
[16:23:47] <Simonious> from the folder I indicated above ^
[16:23:54] <Simonious> it came w/ fusion360
[16:24:28] <_methods> interesting mine doesn't have it
[16:25:09] <ssi> morn
[16:26:06] <Simonious> _methods: then.. how are you telling me to edit that line?
[16:26:25] <_methods> oh i was just lookin at a fanuc post
[16:26:31] <Simonious> ahh
[16:26:33] <_methods> i'm assuming the linuxcnc post was copied from that
[16:26:49] <Simonious> perhaps since it is a web linked app it doesn't pull that post until you actually post using it?
[16:26:52] <_methods> fanuc and linuxcnc posts are pretty similar
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[16:29:54] <flyback> MUHAHAHAHAHA
[16:29:58] <flyback> I predicted this was coming
[16:30:03] <flyback> https://www.buylazerbond.com/?uid=8EB52CE794513B4E078F56916E3506CD&gclid=CMjw9fPJjcgCFVFhNwod2TUCew&gclsrc=ds
[16:30:11] <flyback> owns your "canuck"
[16:30:16] * flyback dropkicks GargantuaSauce
[16:30:29] <flyback> https://www.buylazerbond.com
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[16:30:59] * ssi prefers lazerunbond
[16:31:10] <flyback> well the point being this is cool
[16:32:28] <flyback> I dunno how good that product is or even if you should get it
[16:32:50] <flyback> I just knew eventually they would start selling adhesives and a disposable uv led to set them
[16:33:30] <flyback> might be insteresting with a 3d printer
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[16:34:44] <flyback> wonder how long this was milspec ;)
[16:35:15] <blib> I need a piece that connects a motor to a wheel - What material should I use? Alum? Steel? It has to take torque and be stable and sturdy
[16:35:18] <ssi> what's the date on the milspec? :P
[16:35:48] <flyback> blib, remember alum doesn't have infinite fatique life like steel
[16:35:54] <flyback> if it's going to be flexed constantely
[16:36:20] <flyback> I guess in this case probably not but just something to consider
[16:37:20] <blib> flyback:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hex-Hub-Adapters-12mm-To-17mm-W-6mm-Offset-Hot-Racing-WH17HS01-/261920190610
[16:37:26] <CaptHindsight> flyback: I'll be happy to sell you a bucket of photopolymer and laser pointer :)
[16:37:28] <flyback> apprentely carbon fiber is even worse so they are having to scrap planes instead of reskinning them
[16:37:32] <blib> these guys are using solid billet aluminum
[16:37:38] <blib> not sure what that means
[16:37:54] <flyback> yeah I don't think in a hub config it matters my bad
[16:38:02] <flyback> that was just my 2 cents when choose al vs steel
[16:38:09] <flyback> in general
[16:38:21] <ssi> the issue with carbon fiber is that there's no non-destructive inspection for fatigue or overstresslike there is with aluminum
[16:38:30] <ssi> it just works til it doesn't
[16:38:38] <blib> flyback: so alum is fine?
[16:38:48] <flyback> afik but ask these guys for sure
[16:38:54] <flyback> oh also
[16:39:12] <flyback> be careful about mixing metals someimes weird alloys will attempt to beat the shit out of each other
[16:39:20] <flyback> you guys explain this better than me
[16:39:39] <ssi> dunno if you're talking about galvanic corrosion or galling
[16:39:48] <flyback> electric chemical reaction
[16:39:53] <ssi> that'd be galvanic corrosion
[16:39:55] <flyback> either actually
[16:40:02] <ssi> galling is only an issue if there's sliding friction
[16:40:09] <flyback> ok :)
[16:40:13] <Loetmichel> drop some gallium on an aluminium part and stand iun wawe a few hours later
[16:40:24] <Loetmichel> awe
[16:40:27] <ssi> Loetmichel: keep your dirty hippy gallium away from my aluminum kthx :D
[16:40:27] <Loetmichel> in
[16:40:29] <flyback> I know there's been engineering failures
[16:40:41] <flyback> where they used 2 top of the line super expensive materials
[16:40:46] <flyback> I mean stuff you could blow torch etc
[16:40:49] <blib> flyback: can a cnc create a hole for M3 screw? or 6-32 screw for instance?
[16:40:50] <flyback> and it failed in weeks
[16:40:54] <Loetmichel> ssi: works especially well with "aircraft" 7075 ;)
[16:40:56] <flyback> because the 2 materials hated each other
[16:40:58] <blib> or do you just make a hole, and thread it with the screw?
[16:41:04] <Loetmichel> bib: sure
[16:41:04] <ssi> Loetmichel: we don't actually use much 7075
[16:41:07] <ssi> mostly 6061 and 2024
[16:41:10] <ssi> but gallium works on those too
[16:41:12] <ssi> especially 2024
[16:41:15] <Loetmichel> with the right mill bit
[16:41:36] <Loetmichel> ssi: i like 7075
[16:41:37] <flyback> yeah they used to smear gallium and mercury on nazi planes so they would fall apart in the sky
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[16:41:47] <Loetmichel> for parts taht have to be strong
[16:42:06] <flyback> blib don't misunderstand
[16:42:11] <Loetmichel> for sheet metal work i use AlMg3 (no idea whtas the mat# of that)
[16:42:16] <flyback> I am not trying to scare you or say you are doing abnything wrong
[16:42:24] <flyback> im just saying follow the rule of mixing metals
[16:42:30] <flyback> ask these guys I am no expert
[16:42:30] <ssi> beech used to use magnesium skins, but they cause a lot of problems
[16:42:40] <ssi> they're lighter for a given strength but there's huge corrosion issues
[16:42:48] <flyback> ssi, yep
[16:43:08] <Loetmichel> blib: both is possible
[16:43:14] <Loetmichel> there are thread milling bots out there
[16:43:30] <Loetmichel> and a CNC mill can do the neccessary "helix" path
[16:43:53] <_methods> Simonious: i'm at lunch now but i'll try and take a closer look at the post when i get back
[16:44:05] <Loetmichel> but you have to change the tool to a drill or an end mill first, make the center hole and then use the thread mill bit to make the thread
[16:44:09] <ssi> blib: typically you'd drill the hole undersized and tap it
[16:44:15] <ssi> thread milling is a bit of an advanced topic
[16:44:18] <Simonious> _methods: cool, ty, I'll be at lunch shortly. My useG29 true didn't work, going to try your suggestion next.
[16:44:24] <ssi> it can be done but it's a bit impractical for holes that small
[16:44:25] <flyback> this is also why nucore is still in business as one of the only americal steel companies still arounde
[16:44:33] <flyback> because they saw the future way ahead
[16:44:36] <Loetmichel> ssi: i tried it once
[16:44:39] <Loetmichel> works well
[16:44:39] <flyback> and invested in process tech
[16:44:43] <ssi> oh I'm sure it does
[16:45:02] <ssi> I'm really curious about those punch taps
[16:45:05] <flyback> cause a steel that is hard as diamond (ok not really) that's good for nuclear blast doors, stamp and dies etc
[16:45:07] <ssi> Loetmichel: were you in here when we were talking about that?
[16:45:09] <Loetmichel> but as my CNC has no tool changer its easier to use a battery drill and a machine tap
[16:45:16] <flyback> is fucking worthless for bridges cause it has 0 tension strength
[16:45:23] <flyback> so they offer all kinds of blends
[16:45:34] <flyback> or like you said ssi
[16:45:53] <flyback> strongest steel might have horrible corrosion tendencies
[16:45:57] <ssi> Loetmichel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfEVtA7JMg
[16:46:02] <ssi> that's some coooool stuff there :D
[16:46:12] <flyback> so slightely less stronger steel more corrosion resistant and just designing in more support structure might be better
[16:46:31] <blib> I'll try tap first
[16:46:53] <ssi> blib: if you've never run a tap before, you might want to read up about it
[16:47:11] <ssi> it's not hard, but breaking taps is very very easy if you're not careful
[16:47:14] <ssi> especially small taps like that
[16:47:19] <Simonious> _methods: ^
[16:47:21] <Simonious> oops
[16:47:25] <Simonious> yes, small taps
[16:47:27] <Simonious> break easy
[16:47:43] <flyback> so you break taps and then play taps
[16:47:44] * flyback ducks
[16:47:51] <ssi> they need to be dead straight in line with the hole, and you should turn them by hand, and when it starts to get tight, back it off to break and clear chips
[16:48:27] <flyback> ssi, you ever seen foamed aluminum
[16:48:28] <ssi> if you're drilling on the mill, it's helpful to use a tap handle with a centerpunch on the back and use a center in the spindle to align the tap
[16:48:37] <Loetmichel> nice
[16:48:44] <ssi> flyback: nope
[16:48:45] <CaptHindsight> ssi: any idea of the prices for the Punch Taps?
[16:48:48] <ssi> CaptHindsight: no clue
[16:48:51] <blib> ssi: in my case, I could make the hole a little bit bigger than the screw - since I have threads on both sides - but it would be nice to have a thread in there
[16:48:52] <ssi> I'm sure they're $$
[16:48:55] <Loetmichel> i only ever used a single tooth mill bit for tapping
[16:49:04] <flyback> ssi, dude had his hand on it while they torched it
[16:49:15] <ssi> flyback: sounds like aerogel
[16:49:24] <flyback> yeah not as cool but way cheaper etc
[16:49:26] <flyback> but yeah same idea
[16:49:53] <Loetmichel> as i mentoinded above: i use much 7075 for rigid parts
[16:50:14] <Loetmichel> but for sheet metal work its simply unuseable. you cant bend it
[16:50:32] <Loetmichel> (not ductile at all)
[16:50:43] <Loetmichel> alMg3 is much nicer for that
[16:51:07] <flyback> http://www.ergaerospace.com/Aluminum-properties.htm
[16:51:22] <flyback> https://www.google.com/search?q=foamed+aluminum&biw=1280&bih=879&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIqNy-1M6NyAIVA_M-Ch1zjAEy&dpr=1
[16:51:31] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15714&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- you can fold it by hand easily ;)
[16:51:33] <Simonious> _methods: tried your idea.. no change
[16:52:00] <_methods> yeah i figured it wouldn't work i have to find the actual startup area
[16:52:24] <ssi> Loetmichel: the vast majority of the light aircraft stuff is 2024-T3 alclad skin over 2024-T3 formed bulkheads and ribs with some 6061-T6 structural angle for things like longerons and sparcaps
[16:52:44] <ssi> aluminum airplanes anyway, there's a few other construction methods :)
[16:53:38] <Loetmichel> ssi: i know
[16:54:07] <ssi> it's super rare to find any 7075, and probably mostly because of the lack of ductility
[16:54:12] <Loetmichel> 7075 has also corrosion issues and cant be coloured well by andodizing
[16:54:14] <ssi> it's a high vibration and flex environment
[16:54:36] <Loetmichel> still its dubbed "aircraft aluminium" in germany
[16:54:50] <flyback> ssi looks like
[16:55:01] <flyback> I wonder if it would work well in combustion
[16:55:02] <Loetmichel> (and by chinese flashlight sellers ;-)
[16:55:06] <flyback> foamed metals
[16:55:12] <ssi> Loetmichel: yeah, silly marketing crap :P
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[16:55:18] <flyback> like for gas burning etc
[16:56:01] <flyback> you guys have an amazing power
[16:56:08] <flyback> don't even let anyone say otherwise
[16:56:09] <Loetmichel> ssi: but its very nice to mill
[16:56:12] <ssi> yep
[16:56:15] <Loetmichel> alsmost as easy as steel
[16:56:20] <ssi> not as gummy as 6061
[16:56:25] <flyback> even the worst cnc machine at crayola crayon resolution is awesome
[16:56:41] <Loetmichel> i had my problems wen boss wanted to save some and brought a few sheets of al99.9
[16:56:43] <Loetmichel> THATS gummy
[16:57:02] <ssi> I believe that's 1099
[16:57:21] <Loetmichel> if literally flowed around the mill bits
[16:57:48] <Loetmichel> even with generous amounts of IPA on the milling path
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[16:57:57] <MacGalempsy> hello\
[16:58:05] <ssi> beer is a social lubricant, not a milling lubricant ;)
[16:58:10] <CaptHindsight> The Trick to Tapping on a Bridgeport without a Tapping Head
https://youtu.be/LkbZPP8ErvU?t=5m58s
[16:58:36] <CaptHindsight> let the tap slip in the chuck, heh
[16:58:42] <flyback> ssi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmcvh7TrdUk
[16:58:45] <ssi> sounds like a terrible idea :P
[16:58:47] <flyback> oh that's a good idea
[16:59:03] <flyback> the foamed aluminum is good for inpact energy
[16:59:06] <flyback> bullets etc
[16:59:22] <flyback> one shot, but hell if it stops enough firepowder to get away once, paid in full
[16:59:51] <MacGalempsy> its too bad the CNC videos are full of hot chicks
[17:00:02] <flyback> hahahahahaa
[17:00:04] <flyback> topic!
[17:00:06] <flyback> topic now!
[17:00:09] <Loetmichel> flyback: loose steel/ceramic balls are even better for stopping bullets
[17:00:24] <CaptHindsight> CNC Babes?
[17:00:26] <MacGalempsy> old dudes and dudes with hairy a$$ knuckles
[17:00:28] <flyback> yeah Loetmichel or ceramics that are fragile
[17:00:37] <Loetmichel> ceramic balls
[17:00:41] <Loetmichel> or steel balls
[17:00:48] <Loetmichel> that sit loose inside a double wall
[17:00:50] <flyback> idea being as it breaks up it vents off the energy in random directions
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[17:00:59] <Loetmichel> ... nearly impenetrable by small arms
[17:01:07] <flyback> so is phone books
[17:01:11] <flyback> up to medium rounds
[17:01:15] <flyback> mythbusters was shocked
[17:01:35] <Loetmichel> "divide and conquer"
[17:01:47] <Loetmichel> one sheet of paper has not much stopping capability
[17:02:14] <Loetmichel> but a phonebook is like "death of a thousand cuts" to the bullets velocity
[17:02:22] <flyback> yhep
[17:02:37] <DaViruz> letting the tap slip in a drill chuck doesn't seem very repeatable
[17:02:38] <flyback> work bbl
[17:04:17] <Loetmichel> flyback: btw: 6mm of hand-molded glass fibre mat reinforced epoxy stops bullets up to nato 7.62*51 :-)
[17:04:21] <Loetmichel> been there, tested that ;)
[17:04:40] <Loetmichel> funny stuff ;)
[17:04:50] <DaViruz> i wouldn't have guessed that
[17:04:53] <ssi> I wouldn't either
[17:05:00] <ssi> in fact I might have to independently verify
[17:05:02] <DaViruz> with some kevlar mat possibly
[17:05:14] <ssi> I can get kevlar cloth easily
[17:05:26] <ssi> but I think the epoxy will actually hurt
[17:05:37] <ssi> raw kevlar mat probably will work better, especially as a sandwiched layer
[17:05:42] <ssi> the cured glass would just shatter
[17:05:43] <Loetmichel> i wasnt inside the Sci-fi-armor when we tested that
[17:06:04] <Loetmichel> but i think the inner layers had some "chipoff" that could have hurt ;)
[17:06:18] <DaViruz> what'd the bullet look like?
[17:06:26] <Loetmichel> flat
[17:06:35] <DaViruz> full metal jacket?
[17:06:51] <Loetmichel> german standard mil G3 rounds
[17:06:56] <Loetmichel> full metal jacket
[17:06:57] <ssi> well nato 7x51 sorta implies ball .308
[17:07:02] <DaViruz> true
[17:07:23] <ssi> since geneva forbids anything else :P
[17:08:23] <DaViruz> i'm looking to make some tungsten core bullets to play around with, but i never get around to it
[17:08:51] <Loetmichel> DaViruz: or did you mean prior to firing?
[17:08:54] <ssi> 1/8" tig electrodes, sharpen them on a grinder, snap to length, place in a bullet mold with a penetrator core feature
[17:09:04] <DaViruz> Loetmichel: no after hitting
[17:09:19] <Loetmichel> flat, like a champignon
[17:09:27] <DaViruz> i want to compare tungsten and tungsten carbide
[17:09:49] <Loetmichel> DaViruz: funny thing is that the epoxy chiopped off
[17:10:33] <Loetmichel> leaving about a 1" circle of pure glass cloth layers without matrix
[17:10:43] <DaViruz> strange
[17:10:45] <Loetmichel> but only the outer 4 or 5 layers penetrated
[17:10:54] <ssi> 6mm is a thick laminate
[17:10:58] <ssi> probably 20 layers?
[17:11:04] <ssi> depends on the cloth weight
[17:11:05] <Loetmichel> more like 12
[17:11:40] <ssi> i wonder how it'd do with, say, 3 layers of 8oz glass front and back with a 6mm closed cell foam core
[17:11:48] <Loetmichel> 280gr/m^2
[17:12:03] <DaViruz> i wonder what an equal thickness of fuzzy cloth with polyester would hold up to
[17:12:08] <ssi> I have no idea what that is in normal people numbers :D
[17:13:01] <Loetmichel> https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=280gr%2Fm2+to+oz%2Fsqft
[17:13:04] <Loetmichel> does that help?
[17:13:27] <ssi> https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=280gr%2Fm2+to+oz%2F(square+yard)
[17:13:28] <ssi> that does
[17:13:32] <ssi> that's the 8.3oz cloth we use
[17:14:10] <DaViruz> that clears up something, i too always assumed it was oz/sqft
[17:14:15] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/7781.php?clickkey=4748
[17:14:16] <ssi> something like that
[17:14:17] <CaptHindsight> ssi: ~10oz/yard^2 :)
[17:14:18] <ssi> harness weuave
[17:14:30] <ssi> good shit, lays in compound curves really nice
[17:14:37] <Loetmichel> yes it does
[17:14:51] <ssi> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/bikevlar.php
[17:14:53] <ssi> there's your kevlar ;)
[17:15:01] <Loetmichel> but as i tend to omit any personal protectig gear: it itches after prolonged use
[17:15:13] <ssi> I don't have itch problems with the good stuff
[17:15:15] <Loetmichel> carbon is much better... you can see the broken off ends in the skin ;)
[17:16:00] <Loetmichel> <- made a Cylon armor in his younger days
[17:16:13] <ssi> carbon is harder to work with because you can't see through it when wetting it out to see when you've saturated the weave, and whether or not you've worked out the bubbles between layers
[17:16:23] <ssi> much more repeatable to use compression molds or vacuum bags
[17:16:29] <DaViruz> i'm pretty sloppy with the fibers, but i'm pretty careful to not get any epoxy on the skin
[17:16:40] <Loetmichel> 40kg of electronics, a/c small lpg converted glow engine and a flame trhower ;)
[17:17:22] <Loetmichel> DaViruz: i seem to be immune to most of the fumes/contact itches from any 2k "resin"
[17:17:33] <ssi> I don't have any problems with the epoxys I use
[17:17:37] <Loetmichel> may it be polyester, epoxy or even urethane
[17:17:39] <DaViruz> i am to, and i intend to stay that way :)
[17:17:44] <ganzuul> Pssh. Nothing wrong with good ol' asbestos.
[17:17:44] <DaViruz> too
[17:17:47] <Loetmichel> never had any problems with the stuff
[17:18:01] <ssi> I use mostly west systems for composite work
[17:18:02] <Loetmichel> but the fibre mats tend to stick INSIDE my hands afterwards
[17:18:02] <DaViruz> the only thing i have had problems with is cyano acrylate fumes
[17:18:04] <ssi> sometimes aeropoxy
[17:18:13] <ssi> and I use T88 structural epoxy for wood structures
[17:18:26] <DaViruz> it can give really intens flu like symptoms for a couple of days
[17:18:36] * SpeedEvil wishes you could weld wood.
[17:18:56] <SpeedEvil> (I know glue is as strong)
[17:19:02] <ssi> stronger
[17:19:03] <DaViruz> but i know of way too many people who have developed pretty nasty epoxy allergies, so i'm super careful with it now
[17:19:08] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: like that? ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=2812
[17:19:09] <ganzuul> SpeedEvil: Polyurethane does a pretty good job.
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[17:19:42] <ganzuul> It's a little flexible, while epoxy peels easily.
[17:20:46] <CaptHindsight> acrylates, epoxies, polyesters, urethanes may be formulated over a wide range of characteristics
[17:21:35] <ganzuul> Might not be cheap and readily availible.
[17:21:46] <CaptHindsight> their characteristics also overlap
[17:21:50] <SpeedEvil> Joint design is hard too.
[17:21:58] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rjQtYEV1Ts
[17:22:00] <SpeedEvil> I find it amusing that in some ways balsa is better than steel
[17:22:23] <DaViruz> it's a better fuel
[17:22:32] <SpeedEvil> specific stiffness
[17:22:36] <ganzuul> Cellulose is a very strong material...
[17:22:40] <Loetmichel> especially when clad with a single sheet of 1oz glasscloth on both sides
[17:23:02] <CaptHindsight> and since they may also be blended together you really have to look at what you want to bond vs just thinking epoxy or urethane for example
[17:23:40] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4897&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 < 65 gram for a 450mm diameter quadcopter chassis
[17:23:51] <Loetmichel> ... and all made of a single sheet of balsa:
[17:24:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4921&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[17:24:34] <Loetmichel> had to reinforce the motor mounts tho
[17:24:42] <Loetmichel> the screws pulled thru
[17:24:57] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4973
[17:25:31] <ganzuul> 56g... :o
[17:25:58] <DaViruz> finger joined wood sheets is pretty fun to design with
[17:26:02] <SpeedEvil> People all too often think 'oooh - carbon fibre = stiff'
[17:26:26] <SpeedEvil> When yes, it may be 20 times as stiff as wood, but if you increase the wood thickness by 3 times, you've beaten the carbon
[17:26:40] <ganzuul> Loetmichel: What is it cut with?
[17:26:47] <Loetmichel> cnc mill
[17:27:06] <ganzuul> hm
[17:27:33] <Loetmichel> diamond dust coated 2 flute Tungsten carbide bit 2mm
[17:28:19] <ganzuul> How many bits like that do you break per quadcopter? :)
[17:28:26] <Loetmichel> none
[17:28:37] <Loetmichel> those bist last forever in anything but carbon
[17:28:40] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: diamond coated - why?
[17:28:50] <ssi> cause carbon will knock the edges off almost anything :P
[17:28:52] <Loetmichel> in carbon they last about 100m toolpath
[17:29:30] <Loetmichel> where the normal tungsten carbide ones last 10 meters
[17:29:33] <Loetmichel> :-)
[17:30:00] <ganzuul> hm
[17:30:35] <Loetmichel> and as i did loads of carbon these days i bought the coated ones by the dozen
[17:30:45] <Loetmichel> so i used them for every abrasive cut
[17:30:52] <Loetmichel> including wood and glass fibre
[17:31:28] <ganzuul> How do they fare in glass fibre?
[17:31:33] <Loetmichel> last forever
[17:31:41] <ganzuul> cool :)
[17:32:11] <Loetmichel> sit down before conparing prices for standard tc and tc diamond coated tho ;-)
[17:33:28] <Loetmichel> IIRC i paid about 4 eur for a 2mm standard 2 flute TC bit and 18 eur for the diamond coated one ;)
[17:33:38] <ganzuul> There's this amorphous diamond / Diamond-Like Carbon coating too.
[17:33:48] <Loetmichel> yeah
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[17:34:09] <Loetmichel> the coating is black as [expletive deleted] ;-)
[17:34:13] <Loetmichel> not shiny
[17:34:32] <ganzuul> DLC has perlescence.
[17:34:43] <ganzuul> And is also dark.
[17:35:09] <ssi> DLC is cool stuff
[17:35:16] <ssi> really improves surface wear quite a bit
[17:35:59] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=364&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- second from the right is coated
[17:36:45] <ganzuul> On that note, doest free-machining steel have better lubrication properties than non-free?
[17:37:22] <ssi> not necessarily
[17:37:39] <ssi> some free machining steels have lubricity qualities, like leaded steels (12L14)
[17:37:56] <ganzuul> ooh
[17:38:10] <ganzuul> thought they are all leaded
[17:38:43] <archivist> hardenable steels not leaded usually
[17:38:58] <Loetmichel> archivist: i believe they cant be?
[17:39:26] <DaViruz> my workshop handbook lists one leaded steel that is heat treatable
[17:39:27] <Loetmichel> because i heard it would iterfer with the carbon needed for hardening
[17:39:57] <archivist> depends on kind or hardening I suppose
[17:40:01] <archivist> of
[17:40:08] <Loetmichel> possibly
[17:40:33] <Loetmichel> isnt hardening always austeniot/martensit conversion?
[17:40:52] <Loetmichel> <- is not that good in metalurugy
[17:41:29] <ganzuul> There is also precipitation hardening.
[17:41:56] <ssi> isn't that called hail? :D
[17:42:11] <DaViruz> :D
[17:42:13] <archivist> case hardening, nitriding and the classic heat is rapid cool
[17:43:51] <ganzuul> ssi: work hardens cars, rooftops..
[17:43:59] <ssi> yuuup
[17:46:48] <ganzuul> Would 12L14 make good bushings?
[17:46:51] <archivist> should one call it a black art when one takes steel to cherry red :)
[17:47:35] <ganzuul> black... smith. nunno...
[17:48:10] <ssi> ganzuul: probably not as good as bearing bronze
[17:52:07] <ganzuul> Maybe better for some very specific application...?
[17:52:15] <ssi> I dunno!
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[17:56:14] <archivist> with bushes one also needs to take into account the shaft material, one often soft and the other hard, or a large area and good lubrication
[17:56:43] <CaptHindsight> is hail like shot peening?
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[18:02:02] <Simonious> _methods: did you happen to have any more ideas for me?
[18:03:32] <ganzuul> archivist: so ball bearings require less forethought?
[18:05:42] <furrywolf> I am getting seriously fucking sick of my back.
[18:06:09] <ganzuul> aww
[18:06:23] <ganzuul> Get some muscle relaxants?
[18:06:32] <_methods> yeah i got it
[18:06:38] <furrywolf> my lawyer is talking terms like "permanent partial disability".
[18:06:38] <_methods> but make sure you test well
[18:06:52] <_methods> can you send me your post processor
[18:06:57] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: :/
[18:06:58] <_methods> just pastebin it
[18:07:11] <_methods> i'll edit it for you
[18:07:11] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: 3d print a new spine.
[18:07:20] <SpeedEvil> They need to be able to do that.
[18:07:27] <SpeedEvil> With nice replacable bearings.
[18:07:27] <furrywolf> heh
[18:07:39] <furrywolf> it's not the spine, it's the soft things around the spine.
[18:08:06] <furrywolf> the nerve pinching was worse today than it's been since the accident... whole left side numb earlier today... mostly better again now, just pain.
[18:08:12] <SpeedEvil> Damn.
[18:09:46] <ganzuul> Could be lucky enough that it's only an inflammation... If so, a change of diet and ibuprofen might help.
[18:09:58] <_methods> Simonious: you there?
[18:10:18] <furrywolf> I have an appointment with the chiropractor tomorrow, will see what he says.
[18:11:03] <Simonious> I'm here
[18:11:06] <_methods> kk
[18:11:09] <ganzuul> AFAIK chiropractors in the US aren't considered medical professionals... So his advice might not hold up in court.
[18:11:16] <Simonious> _methods: standby
[18:11:19] <_methods> sure
[18:11:53] <_methods> ah mine is called emc.cps
[18:11:55] <_methods> not linuxcnc
[18:12:03] <Simonious> as is mine
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[18:12:19] <furrywolf> I gave up on getting a doctor. if you don't have insurance, they don't want to talk to you. and even if you wave cash around, there's a multi-month waiting list everywhere, care of all the people who just got insurance wanting to see doctors without a million more doctors magically appearing.
[18:12:20] <_methods> ahh ok well i'll edit mine then paste it for you
[18:12:28] <Simonious> https://www.dropbox.com/s/llchz95w74agrcz/emc.cps?dl=0
[18:12:29] <Simonious> sounds good
[18:13:35] * ganzuul blames Obama
[18:13:47] * furrywolf does too
[18:14:07] <furrywolf> he promised a proper health care system, and instead we're worse off than we started.
[18:14:16] <ssi> by design
[18:14:36] <_methods> alright Simonious so the key here
[18:14:39] <_methods> is this
[18:14:41] <_methods> isFirstSection()
[18:14:54] <_methods> that's where all the stuff is that gets printed on startup
[18:15:37] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5cffjgwhxq2wchm/emc.cps?dl=0
[18:15:44] <_methods> so there's the modified post
[18:15:53] <Simonious> will check it out
[18:15:57] <Simonious> thanks1
[18:15:59] <_methods> use at your own peril lol
[18:16:06] <_methods> i've never modified a fusion 360 post before
[18:16:17] <Simonious> :) I'll study the output
[18:16:22] <_methods> good idea
[18:16:23] <_methods> heheh
[18:17:24] * furrywolf is still waiting for the version that you own instead of rent, runs on linux, and doesn't require an internet connection.
[18:17:42] * furrywolf isn't waiting very hard
[18:17:55] <Simonious> hint: it's not coming from Fusion 360
[18:17:57] * ssi would be happy with a version that runs at a usable speed over a slow network
[18:18:24] <furrywolf> I see no reason why cad should be a network application.
[18:18:31] <Simonious> it shouldn't
[18:19:05] <ganzuul> They're probably observing how everything-in-the-cloud is doomed to fail.
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[18:24:42] <Simonious> _methods: hmm there is ONE change with your version of the post, this line: G53 G0 Z0. Gets removed
[18:24:45] * Simonious ponders
[18:24:49] <_methods> yeah
[18:24:54] <_methods> i thought that's what you wanted?
[18:25:06] * Simonious ponders some more
[18:25:23] <Simonious> G53 G0 Z0.XX <- I wanted this, where XX is the offset
[18:25:35] <Simonious> or rather 'safe height'
[18:26:20] <Simonious> You obviously found the right thing!
[18:26:41] <_methods> yeah i'd just remove that line personally
[18:27:21] <_methods> the safe height gets called in your program later on
[18:27:33] <Simonious> true, but.. it does one move before that
[18:28:03] <_methods> post your new code
[18:29:02] <Simonious> http://pastebin.com/aKjTisRW
[18:29:38] <_methods> i'll have to rewrite that line that i commented out to pull your z
[18:29:47] <Simonious> I'm looking at that right now
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[18:32:23] <Connor> For those of you who hate to tap...
https://youtu.be/7sWLEpNCb7s Guy talks allot but, watch it in action.
[18:32:27] <_methods> just need to replace "Z" + xyzFormat.format(0))
[18:32:35] <_methods> replace the 0 with the var for clear height
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[18:33:09] <Simonious> _methods: agreed.. not sure what that var is yet
[18:33:15] <_methods> me either lol
[18:33:18] <_methods> tryin to find it
[18:33:23] <Simonious> likewise
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[18:43:58] <Simonious> writeBlock(gFormat.format(53 + workOffset)); // G54->G59
[18:44:23] <_methods> that's just to change your work coordinate
[18:44:26] <_methods> don't mess with that
[18:44:42] <ganzuul> moly grease is magic <3
[18:45:15] <ganzuul> Just squirt some in the general direction and problems go away
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[19:12:44] <furrywolf> grrrr. yesterday I glued something with glue that claims to take 2-4 hours to dry. it is now today. it's still completely liquid.
[19:13:19] <Simonious> _methods: wow.. where is that variable?!
[19:13:26] <_methods> no idea
[19:13:30] <_methods> i can't find it for sure
[19:14:23] <Simonious> I also find it suspicious that the output has G0 in it, but that post doesn't..
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[19:14:44] <Simonious> I suppose it's calling functions from elsewhere
[19:14:52] <_methods> from 360
[19:16:26] <ssi> furrywolf: was it two part?
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[19:18:58] <Simonious> well that's fantastic
[19:19:04] <Simonious> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJCsomGwdk0
[19:20:06] <Simonious> _methods: I really suspect those var names aren't going to be found in the post file at this point
[19:23:29] <_methods> well the best way to do it is to just leave the line in there as it was intended and set your z home all the way up
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[19:24:26] <Simonious> _methods: is that the best way? I feel strongly that one should zero the tool to the stock.
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[19:24:37] <_methods> no way
[19:24:38] <furrywolf> ssi: no
[19:24:44] <ssi> hm odd
[19:24:47] <ssi> what kind of glue
[19:24:47] <_methods> you home the machine and set a work coordinate on yoru stock
[19:24:58] <furrywolf> "Fabric Fusion". as to kind, no idea. it remarkably lacks specs.
[19:25:26] <furrywolf> the fabric shop suggested it as the best way to bond canvas without sewing
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[19:32:20] <ssi> I see
[19:32:51] <_methods> said the blind man to the deaf dog
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[19:33:47] <Simonious> _methods: huh, well I give up, I'm hardcoding in a z offset of +0.4 so I can zero to the top of the stock, which I still feel is the right way to do it.
[19:34:14] <_methods> Simonious: sorry it's not how people do it
[19:34:22] <_methods> but you can do whatever you want hehe
[19:34:25] <_methods> it's your machine
[19:34:34] <furrywolf> I'm adding a couple dividers to a tool bag, and don't want to deal with finding my sewing machine, making it work, having to sew around the metal reinforcements in the bag, etc.
[19:34:37] <Simonious> _methods: well of course. :) I'm puzzled that people do it differently though
[19:34:52] <_methods> yeah normally a machine is homed to it;s limits
[19:34:56] <furrywolf> actually, with the metal reinforcements, I'm not even sure I could fit it in my sewing machine.
[19:35:10] <_methods> then you "touch off" on your workpiece/setup to get your work offsets
[19:35:16] <Simonious> _methods: why wouldn't you zero to the top of the work? It's simpler, you can see at a glance if your depths are right..
[19:35:19] * Simonious nods
[19:35:20] <_methods> what happens when you have another op on your table
[19:35:32] <Simonious> _methods: we all generate our own gcode..
[19:35:54] <_methods> if you have another workpiece on your table and it's higher than the other one what do you do
[19:36:06] * Simonious ponders
[19:36:14] <Simonious> rezero Z?
[19:36:18] <_methods> heheh
[19:36:30] <Simonious> is that bad?
[19:36:33] <_methods> well if you home your machine at it's max z then you can work over your full envelope
[19:36:43] <_methods> now you have to rezero because you set it too low
[19:36:45] <ssi> well there's machine home, and then there's the touchoff zero
[19:36:54] <_methods> ^^
[19:37:19] <ssi> understanding the multiple coordinate systems is critical
[19:37:21] <Simonious> Hmm, I think my inexperience is showing a bit - I set home and touchoff to the same spot
[19:37:30] <_methods> and you can do that
[19:37:39] <_methods> but it's not the optimal way
[19:37:50] <ssi> machine home is almost irrelevant once you start doing actual work
[19:37:58] <ssi> machine home should be set up so that it's convenient for the MACHINE
[19:38:02] <Simonious> unless you approach a software limit?
[19:38:04] <ssi> ie Z0 is top of travel
[19:38:29] <furrywolf> I'm still debating how to home my shoptask. I'm tempted to build some kind of home-to-middle mechanism.
[19:38:47] <furrywolf> especially on X
[19:38:58] <ssi> home to middle is easy
[19:39:11] <ssi> jog end to end, use the DRO to measure the full travel of the axis
[19:39:20] <ssi> put a home switch at one end and set your home offset to half of the full travel
[19:39:23] <ssi> done
[19:39:28] <furrywolf> see, that's exactly what I can't do. :P
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[19:39:50] <furrywolf> the table hits the tailstock, among other annoyances.
[19:39:54] <ssi> on some machines, machine home is more important to be a specific thing
[19:40:21] <ssi> on my hardinge HNC, for instance, I set the machine up so that at machine X=0, the turret centerline is exactly on spindle centerline
[19:40:40] <ssi> and at machine Z=0, the turret face closest to the spindle nose is exactly 10.000" from the shoulder of the spindle nose
[19:40:46] <_methods> most machines will have index marks to help if they have unusual machine home requirements
[19:40:50] <ssi> 10" comes from the way the machine is set up, and where the home switches are
[19:40:50] <furrywolf> and whether the tailstock is present and where it's positioned are variable, so a switch that trips on hitting it wouldn't give you a repeatable position.
[19:41:03] <ssi> and in hindsight, at that position I might actually call it machine Z=10
[19:41:19] <ssi> but it's all arbitrary, and you can set it up however works for you
[19:41:27] <furrywolf> and in the other direction, it hits the lathe chuck... again, depending on whether something is in it, whether it's even attached, etc. so I can't do a travel to a limit switch on either end.
[19:41:30] <ssi> the important coordinate system is the work offset system, which is created by a touchoff
[19:41:43] <_methods> that's what i was saying i didn't want to be an offset nazi lol
[19:41:50] <Simonious> okay.. so this isn't my machine it's a machine I've walked into using.. and they aren't using the limit switches, only the overlimit switches (which kill the machine). So.. 'home' doesn't mean a lot on this machine.
[19:41:53] <_methods> on a hobby machine it may never affect you
[19:41:55] <furrywolf> so I'm thinking of putting one switch exactly in the middle. :P
[19:41:57] <ssi> furrywolf: set up a prox switch in the center of the travel
[19:42:05] <ssi> and use offset to set it to some arbitrary machine Z
[19:42:25] <ssi> Simonious: are there no home switches?
[19:42:25] <Simonious> there is some temptation to fix the limit switches so home means something *shrugs*
[19:42:27] <furrywolf> but, a proximity switch doesn't remember which side of it you're on, so you don't know which direction you need to travel to home.
[19:42:31] <ssi> use the limit switches as home switches
[19:42:33] <Simonious> ssi: there are, but they aren't setup
[19:42:38] <furrywolf> I'm thinking a clicky switch and a mechanism that toggles it to whichever side you're on
[19:42:50] <Simonious> ssi: the switches currently in use trigger estop
[19:42:59] <Simonious> the other set must not be setup properly
[19:43:02] <ssi> Simonious: they can be set up so that they work as homes
[19:43:18] <Simonious> ssi: probably, but there is a second set before the overlimit set, again just not setup
[19:43:19] <ssi> meaning that they'll allow tripping during the home sequence, but once yo'ure homed they act as actual limits
[19:43:23] <ssi> ah ok
[19:43:36] <Simonious> so.. that'll be a future exploration for me..
[19:43:41] <Simonious> for today what I'm doing is working
[19:43:49] <ssi> furrywolf: homing direction is always the same, you'd just need to make sure yo'ure on the correct side of the switch before homing
[19:44:21] <ssi> what I did on my g0602 was have an optical home switch at the far end of the Z travel, and I just make sure the tailstock is slid back enough before homing
[19:44:27] <Simonious> but I've learned in my exploration today that I have more to learn. Specifically that I need to gain an understanding of home vs touch off coordinate systems.
[19:44:29] <ssi> it's not ideal but it works
[19:44:46] <ssi> Simonious: just jog to the ends of each axis and home them there
[19:45:00] <furrywolf> if you use a toggle switch for the home switch, it won't always be the same direction.
[19:45:05] <ssi> Simonious: THEN touch off on your work, which'll ref your work coordinate system
[19:45:18] <furrywolf> if you're on the "on" side of it, it'll back off instead of move towards it.
[19:45:32] <ssi> Simonious: beware that if you unhome and rehome the machine, your work offsets won't repeat where they were
[19:45:45] <Simonious> ssi: I'll go give that a try and see what kind of behavior I get
[19:45:51] <ssi> Simonious: :) let us know
[19:46:06] <Simonious> ssi: if it's good behavior maybe I can justify setting up software limits..
[19:46:10] <renesis> i dont have limit switches, when im done with the machine i do G53 G0 x0 y0 z0
[19:46:23] <renesis> and when i wake it up i home without moving, very repeatable
[19:46:39] <furrywolf> that works great until the first time you crash, estop, fiddle with it while the power is off, etc. :P
[19:46:59] <ssi> or if your Z sags without power
[19:47:02] <furrywolf> that's how I'm currently using my shoptask, but I often move it with the power off.
[19:47:41] <_methods> ewww saggy z's
[19:47:42] <renesis> also personal pref, i home up, left and towards so G53 machine space is always negative
[19:48:13] <renesis> and i try and keep work coordinates positive, so i know G53 or G54 by looking at the sign
[19:49:06] <ssi> that's a neat idea
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[19:49:40] <Simonious> no saggy Z here.. we've got a cylinder on it.. sadly it's on the air compressor rather than being a gas cylinder
[19:50:59] <HighOctane> If I want to run linuxcnc using the parallel port using RTAI, what is involved? Just getting the right computer with the right MOBO and chipset and installing from the LiveCD?
[19:51:23] <_methods> you can get a parport card cheap
[19:51:26] <_methods> and put in any computer
[19:51:41] * Simonious ponders
[19:51:50] <renesis> youll prob need a motor driver
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[19:51:52] <Simonious> I suspect I was supposed to _HOME_ to the TOP of the Z-axis, yes?
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[19:52:00] <_methods> yep
[19:52:11] <renesis> simonious: doesnt matter if you dont have soft limits setup
[19:52:23] <ssi> yeah it's really arbitrary where you home it
[19:52:30] <_methods> some machines i've worked on though use z all the way on table for machine home though
[19:52:34] <HighOctane> Cause I have linuxcnc installed on a system right now but I get an error "RTAPI Error unexpected realtime delay on task 1"
[19:52:34] <furrywolf> HighOctane: timing issues are pretty common with parallel port setups. buying a mesa board avoids them, gives you much faster pulse rates, and gives you more i/o and other features....
[19:52:35] <_methods> so you have to be careful of that
[19:52:39] <ssi> _methods: that sounds like a horrible idea
[19:52:48] <_methods> yeah
[19:53:05] <_methods> i'm always very careful the first time i use g53 on a new machine
[19:53:15] <Simonious> so.. I homed to x0y0z0 where z0 was the bed height.. then I touched off to the work left top corner of the work and _methods I think you can tell me what happened when I hit run..
[19:53:16] <HighOctane> furrywolf: is that error the kind you are talking about?
[19:53:26] <renesis> with soft limits it used to be sa big deal where you homed
[19:53:32] <furrywolf> HighOctane: yes
[19:53:49] <renesis> you couldnt unhome, so you could lock yourself out of the actual home position on the machine
[19:53:51] <Simonious> _methods: but I'll fill you in - it went righ to the bed surface and then started that initial move RIGHT through the stock to the starting point
[19:53:55] <furrywolf> you need to increase your base thread period to avoid that error, which will lower your max step rate
[19:53:58] <_methods> yeah
[19:54:01] <renesis> but now they have unhoming
[19:54:08] <_methods> you need to move max z height
[19:54:12] <_methods> and home
[19:54:18] <Contract_Pilot1> think i may trade this harley for another manual mill Grizzly G0722 find out friday.
[19:54:20] <_methods> then you can touch off on your work
[19:54:20] <renesis> id like to think unhoming is a direct result of my trolling in here over it, heh
[19:54:39] <HighOctane> furrywolf: What MESA card would do well for a basic, 3 axis cnc router?
[19:54:47] <ssi> HighOctane: stepper or servo?
[19:54:56] <HighOctane> ssi: stepper
[19:54:58] <furrywolf> ssi: he's using parport, so I'd wager stepper. :)
[19:55:02] <Contract_Pilot1> 7i76 seems poppular
[19:55:04] <_methods> 7i76-5125
[19:55:06] <ssi> HighOctane: is your computer pci or pcie
[19:55:17] <Simonious> _methods: so then the first thing it will do is climb to max Z, then move ove the first cutting position on the stock and continue correctly from there.
[19:55:20] <Contract_Pilot1> Mesa is out of stock.
[19:55:24] <_methods> yep
[19:55:28] <_methods> Simonious: yes
[19:55:30] <furrywolf> HighOctane: unfortunately, I'm not an expert on mesa boards. PCW is the expert and can help select what you need.
[19:55:39] <furrywolf> I'm waiting for a 7i76e so I can control my machine over ethernet. :)
[19:55:58] <HighOctane> ssi: I think it has both pci and pcie
[19:56:07] <Contract_Pilot1> Yea, they are both due in around the same time.
[19:56:11] <Simonious> _methods: this is acceptable, however I am probably going to set zHOME at .5" over the stock... rather than the machine limit.
[19:56:11] <ssi> HighOctane: I recommend one of the 7i76 plug and go kits
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[19:56:24] <HighOctane> ssi: thanks
[19:56:25] <_methods> Simonious: that's fine
[19:56:27] <ssi> HighOctane: 5i25 is pci, 6i25 is pcie, your choice. 7i76 is the daughtercard
[19:56:30] <Wolf_Mill> damn 4mm to 3/8" DI stem adapter is $15...
[19:56:32] <_methods> as long as you knwo where machine home is
[19:56:35] <ssi> HighOctane: the kit comes with both and the cable. Easiest way to get started
[19:56:43] <HighOctane> furrywolf: ethernet sounds good!
[19:56:48] <XXCoder> heys
[19:56:59] <Contract_Pilot1> If this trade goes thru i am gonna off the G0704
[19:56:59] <ssi> HighOctane: I wouldn't start with the ethernet stuff
[19:57:08] <ssi> Contract_Pilot1: "off" it?
[19:57:24] <Contract_Pilot1> Yea, list it on craigs list.
[19:57:24] <HighOctane> ssi: No, probably not. But sounds interesting.
[19:58:09] <ssi> HighOctane: it's fairly new, and it'll be a higher learning curve. For instance, it requires a dedicated ethernet link; you can't just throw it on your network. Basically all that buys you is the ability to use a longer, cheaper cable between your control pc and your machine
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[19:58:33] <ssi> HighOctane: the pci/pcie solutions are mature and well-understood, and it'll be quicker to get you up and running
[19:59:28] <Contract_Pilot1> Ugg spent my mesa money today hahaha! now watch they have them instock tomarrow hahaha
[19:59:41] <HighOctane> ssi: Well "quicker to get up and running" is what I'm after. Thanks a lot everyone for your input.
[19:59:51] <ssi> HighOctane: the out of stock issue is discouraging :D
[20:00:07] <ssi> for what it's worth, a 7i76+5i25 kit is the same price as a 7i76e
[20:00:16] <HighOctane> I have used linuxcnc before. But only a little. So the timing issues are new to me.
[20:00:34] <ssi> HighOctane: once you get set up, mesa will open up a whole new world for your machine
[20:00:40] <ssi> parport is a very limiting machine interface
[20:01:25] <HighOctane> cool.
[20:02:03] <ganzuul> 2 micron runout on the spindle/chuck backplate on the 7x lathe...
[20:02:15] <ssi> 2 micron?
[20:02:20] <ganzuul> but the chuck is really tossing it in the wind
[20:02:25] <Connor> ssi:
https://youtu.be/7sWLEpNCb7s take a look.. this guy rambles on a while.. but.. really cool tapping arm.
[20:02:26] <ganzuul> yup!
[20:02:37] <ganzuul> 2 micrometer
[20:02:53] <ssi> what are you using to measure that
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[20:03:37] <ganzuul> ssi:
http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Measurement/Dial-Gauges#Micron-Dial-Gauges
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[20:03:58] <Contract_Pilot1> need to trade then chevelle tubular control arms off.
[20:04:31] <ssi> gotcha
[20:04:36] <ganzuul> The 1 micron accuracy one.
[20:04:42] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: nice
[20:04:57] <Wolf_Mill> I'm sure a gauge that cheap is highly accurate
[20:04:59] <ganzuul> Gotta be a pretty good machine if you're doubting the measuring tools!
[20:05:06] <ssi> no, just curious
[20:05:16] <ssi> it's funny to buy a 7x lathe and a .001mm dial indicator :)
[20:05:36] <Connor> Backplate was probably machined on the spindle after installed.. problem is the chuck.. .003" run out is typical.
[20:05:37] <Wolf_Mill> btw, lathe run out needs to be measured from the item held in the chuck
[20:05:42] <ssi> Connor: +1
[20:05:54] <ganzuul> Well I'd have no use for a dial indicator with 30mm of travel...
[20:06:04] <Connor> ssi: The video? or my comment on the backplate? :)
[20:06:19] <ssi> your comment on the backplate
[20:07:15] <ganzuul> Connor: The backplate has a really distinctive tool mark pattern, so you are most likely right.
[20:07:20] <Connor> The KEY when doing stuff with a lathe.. is not to rechuck it if you can avoid it.. use a 4 jaw when possible and indicate it..
[20:07:40] <Wolf_Mill> or a low runout collet chucker
[20:07:40] <ssi> the key to using a lathe is understanding what you can and can't get away with in terms of concentricity, and when it matters
[20:07:47] <ganzuul> Yeah, I have to get a good 4 jaw... This 3 jaw one is sorta dodgy.
[20:07:52] <ssi> you can use the shittiest runout 3 jaw in the world if you can do everything in one operation
[20:08:00] <Connor> or use a collet if possible, per Wolf_Mill comment
[20:08:05] <ssi> get a 4 jaw and learn how to dial it
[20:08:14] <ssi> collets are great, but they're not accurate enough for some work
[20:08:22] <furrywolf> ssi: and aren't using the tailstock. :)
[20:08:25] <ssi> it all depends what your requirements are
[20:08:49] <ssi> furrywolf: yeah true, turning between centers is a good way to maintain concentricity if you need to remove the part or flip it around
[20:08:52] <furrywolf> using a shitty chuck and using the tailstock is an excellent way to make tapered parts. :P
[20:09:01] <ganzuul> ssi: The shittiest 3-jaw in the world:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-Mini-Three-Jaw-Chuck-1-8-56mm-12-65mm-3-jaw-chuck-Mini-Chuck/32384663542.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.2.EXDHSL&ws_ab_test=201526_2,201527_3_71_72_73_74_75,201409_5
[20:09:10] <ganzuul> Fortunately not what came with the lathe.
[20:09:17] <Connor> Oh my.
[20:09:17] <ssi> ganzuul: yeah no thanks :)
[20:09:21] <Connor> that is crappy.
[20:09:29] <Connor> that looks more like one for use with WOOD.
[20:09:49] <Wolf_Mill> any chuck that self centers is going to have some runout unless you get lucky
[20:10:04] <ssi> well there's the glory that is set-tru chucks
[20:10:16] <ssi> all the benefits of a self centering chuck, with the ability to dial out the runout like a 4 jaw
[20:10:28] <Connor> You can always get a 3 jaw with soft jaws.. and turn them....
[20:10:42] <ssi> that's tricky too
[20:10:47] <ssi> it needs to be preloaded adequately
[20:10:51] <Wolf_Mill> only will work for the size you grind it at
[20:10:52] <Connor> true
[20:10:55] <ssi> and that
[20:11:32] <Wolf_Mill> scroll threading is what causes the issues
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[20:11:35] <ganzuul> I heard it's possible to switch the jaws around on these 7x lathe default chucks to find their sweetspot. So far, no luck.
[20:11:57] <ssi> scroll chucks need the jaws in a particular place
[20:12:04] <ssi> if they're not already marked, you should take a minute to mark them
[20:12:13] <ssi> if you switch them around, they won't close on center
[20:12:26] <Wolf_Mill> long as you have the order correct
[20:12:27] <Sync> or just use the 4 jaw all the time
[20:12:32] <furrywolf> the sweet spot for the jaws on a chinese chuck is often the garbage bin.
[20:12:44] <ganzuul> They need to be in a prticular order. But they can go in 3 different ways while maintinaing their order.
[20:13:21] <ssi> hm can they?
[20:13:36] <ganzuul> furrywolf: Cosmetically it's a nice bit of metal.
[20:13:39] <furrywolf> yes. but it doesn't help. :P
[20:14:04] <Wolf_Mill> still not sure I would count on a £30.53 DI to really kick out 0.001mm
[20:14:38] <furrywolf> I wouldn't trust the specs on any chinese product.
[20:14:47] <MacGalempsy> hey guys, miss me?
[20:15:04] <ganzuul> Wolf_Mill: I don't really, nor count, it. It's just what I thought was the best value for the money.
[20:15:09] <furrywolf> you left?
[20:15:15] <MacGalempsy> heh
[20:15:20] <XXCoder> you come in?
[20:15:26] <ssi> Wolf_Mill: for the kind of measurement he's doing, the accuracy of the indicator isn't really all that important
[20:15:35] <ssi> he's looking for needle movement moreso than absolute measurement
[20:15:41] <MacGalempsy> well, I left, but not the chat room
[20:15:56] <Wolf_Mill> I have a DI right in front of my face right now thats 0.0001" that I would trust but its not china made, and way more then $50
[20:16:18] <Sync> I currently have a wedge ber chuck, but it is super annoying to always change the jaws
[20:16:25] <ssi> I have a couple mitu .0001" DIs and a half dozen mitu and B&S .0001" DTIs
[20:16:30] <MacGalempsy> went to eat with the wife, pickup some stuff. stopped by the pawn shop and picked up a mitutoyo digital caliper
[20:16:33] <XXCoder> thats 0.00254mm
[20:16:34] <ganzuul> ssi: This is true. It's part of the reason why I opted for an analog device instead of a digital one. - You get anti-aliasing for free.
[20:16:42] <ssi> ganzuul: yep
[20:16:49] <ssi> I don't like digital indicators for the most part
[20:16:52] <Sync> I usually only use the digtal ones
[20:16:56] <ssi> a digital caliper is handy
[20:17:00] <ssi> mostly because of the offsetting
[20:17:37] <Wolf_Mill> I need a stem adapter for my B&S DTI..
[20:17:49] <ssi> I don't think I have any half tentths indicators
[20:18:00] <ssi> I might though... I went on an ebay spree last winter
[20:18:16] <Sync> I got a few extramess, they resolve to 200nm
[20:18:44] <ganzuul> Gonna tear this 3 jaw appart and squeeze it full of moly lube. Worked with the last problem I had.
[20:18:53] <ssi> I wouldn't
[20:19:00] <ssi> it'll collect chips
[20:19:04] <Connor> This is the DTI I have
http://www.shars.com/products/measuring/dial-test-indicators/030-dial-test-indicator-0005-1
[20:19:10] <SpeedEvil> graphite on the other hand, ...
[20:19:13] <Wolf_Mill> good way to lap the inside of the chuck
[20:19:37] <Wolf_Mill> wet lube that is
[20:19:44] <malcom2073> Woohoo got my motors, and damn they're huge
[20:19:51] <ssi> malcom2073: what'd you get?!
[20:19:56] <malcom2073> ssi: Nema 34's
[20:20:02] <ssi> steppers?
[20:20:05] <malcom2073> yeah
[20:20:07] <ssi> keling?
[20:20:10] <malcom2073> Shelvign the servos for the time being
[20:20:12] <malcom2073> Wantai
[20:20:13] <XXCoder> big ones.
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[20:20:15] <ssi> aha
[20:20:34] <malcom2073> They're 151mm by 86mm heh
[20:21:00] <ssi> malcom2073: you should see the servos in my vmc
[20:21:08] <malcom2073> My servos are bigger sure heh
[20:22:01] <malcom2073> Time to go sanity check my measurements, then get stated on the adapter plates
[20:22:01] <ssi> malcom2073:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzT-LfTIcAAwrGy.jpg:large
[20:22:13] <malcom2073> Nice
[20:22:25] <malcom2073> My servos are a bit smaller than that heh
[20:22:27] <ganzuul> ssi, Wolf_Mill: Moly lube will collect chips & lap?
[20:22:45] <ssi> ganzuul: yes, chips and dust will get trapped in there and work into the scroll threads, and loosen up the chuck
[20:23:15] <ganzuul> Won't that happen anyway?
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[20:23:41] <ssi> the grease turns into lapping paste
[20:24:03] <Wolf_Mill> if its dry you can blow the chips out
[20:24:07] <MacGalempsy> ssi: I know how those ebay spress go! lol
[20:24:09] <ganzuul> There is already a lot of grease in it. I fugure I'll just give it some better grease.
[20:24:14] <ssi> MacGalempsy: I had a mini one yesterday
[20:24:18] <ssi> bought four sets of toolmaker's clamps
[20:24:25] <MacGalempsy> what kind of damage?
[20:24:31] <ssi> $120 or so
[20:24:52] <ganzuul> :o
[20:24:53] <MacGalempsy> not too bad
[20:24:58] <MacGalempsy> what did you order?
[20:25:08] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, I got my noga base in, already see one issue...
[20:25:19] <ssi> just toolmaker's clamps
[20:25:36] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/181854146426?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[20:25:41] <MacGalempsy> cool. I keep an eye on "Machinist lot"
[20:25:48] <ssi> three different auctions
[20:25:53] <MacGalempsy> thats a good price
[20:26:04] <ssi> I guess I got three sets... I thought one auction was for two pair but I guess not
[20:26:12] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121746332385?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[20:26:24] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121752752514?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[20:26:44] <MacGalempsy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/231693553569?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[20:26:55] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12027729_1074055379272905_6198080292471330294_n.jpg?oh=b5065c7fbae32f3347e7d911b37747f5&oe=5665ECEA
[20:27:09] <ssi> I've got a backpost set sorta like that
[20:27:32] <MacGalempsy> now all I need is a depth micropmeter, and i'll be set on those. looking for a reasonable calibrated granite
[20:27:51] <ssi> I had a depth mic but it was screwed up from day one and I'm pretty sure I lost it in the fire
[20:27:55] <MacGalempsy> MrSunshine: bahahaha
[20:28:04] <ssi> I need to get another one actually
[20:28:07] <ssi> TO THE EBAY!
[20:28:35] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[20:29:18] <MacGalempsy> ssi: you better back up off my acutions! lol
[20:29:28] <ssi> that must be you bidding on that nice starret set
[20:29:33] * ssi readys his ebay sniper rifle
[20:30:09] <MacGalempsy> there is a mitutoyo one with a digital 1-2" mic that I got my eye on
[20:30:24] <MacGalempsy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/161809550664?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[20:30:34] <MacGalempsy> that was the real treat this week
[20:30:45] <MacGalempsy> once it gets here, I can use it for probe in
[20:31:46] <MacGalempsy> that probe trigger looks like a suicide bomber special lol
[20:32:18] <MacGalempsy> if anyone wants that keyboard, you can have it for free
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[20:38:29] <kengu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFR_jTwfRSY - this type of machine will land at workspace next week presumably - said not to be fully working
[20:38:55] <Wolf_Mill> fun, guess I need to turn a adpater to use the 196 DTI on the noga base
[20:41:47] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: carerful or you'll lose your eye ;)
[20:44:24] <MacGalempsy> thanks for the warning XXCoder
[20:44:40] <XXCoder> heh
[20:44:42] <MacGalempsy> anyone ever use the toggle2nist component?
[20:45:13] <XXCoder> anyway, Surfaces shouldnt be too pricy, my coworker said he bought his for only over 100 bucks and it looks like foot and half wide an foot long.
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[20:46:11] <XXCoder> of course it depends on size lol
[20:46:18] <XXCoder> and what you need
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[20:51:10] <MacGalempsy> I am worried that the surfaces are heavy enough that a crappy shipping job will result in damage
[20:52:15] <XXCoder> probably avid chinese stores
[20:52:22] <XXCoder> avoid
[20:58:30] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks
[20:58:58] <Contract_Pilot1> Son and wife are banned form the tool box my 0-1 & 1-2" inside mic's are missing.
[20:59:12] <PetefromTn_> you mean your clamps?
[20:59:22] <PetefromTn_> :)
[20:59:33] <XXCoder> saw pic of one being used as one.
[21:00:31] <Contract_Pilot1> hahaha so heck listed the 2-3 and 3-4 on feebay. never used the fowlers anyway. My starret are much nicer.
[21:00:49] <Contract_Pilot1> That box has a lock on it!
[21:01:28] <PetefromTn_> man I am finally getting close to having the cash to buy all my lathe stuff again. I am gonna have to make some decisions here on the new motors and drives for the machine...
[21:01:40] <Contract_Pilot1> last time the fowlers were calibrated was umm 2007 hahaha
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[21:02:24] <Contract_Pilot> SSI we call it Feebay.
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[21:04:31] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Fowler-3-4-inch-1024x576.jpg
[21:04:59] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Fowler-2-3-Inch-1024x576.jpg
[21:05:13] <PetefromTn_> Oh those are inside mics
[21:05:40] <Contract_Pilot> Yep. thats what i said inside mics.
[21:05:56] <Wolf_Mill> so, mini spreader clamps
[21:06:02] <PetefromTn_> yes you did but I missed it
[21:06:31] <malcom2073> Heh kengu: Chinese blue box special? They come from the factory not fully working :P
[21:06:36] <Contract_Pilot> I do not like non full sets in my box
[21:06:43] <malcom2073> Fortunatly they're an electronics retrofit away from being nice
[21:07:33] <Contract_Pilot> I know i will off these and my 0-1 and 1-2 will appear 6 months later!
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[21:07:53] <Wolf_Mill> so, anyone here using a noga flex + starrett 196?
[21:08:21] <Contract_Pilot> I still use erector sets.
[21:08:23] <PetefromTn_> no but I like those
[21:08:48] <MacGalempsy> I would off any Fowler tools too
[21:09:07] <MacGalempsy> Fowler reminds me of Folger-tch
[21:09:26] <PetefromTn_> I have a Fowler analog depth mic and it is pretty decent really
[21:10:02] <PetefromTn_> I also have an older Starrett/Craftsman and it is about the same as far as quality and feel
[21:17:33] <MacGalempsy> malcom2073: what are you up to today?
[21:17:50] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: Finishing up the 3d model of the adapter plates I need for my fresh steppers
[21:18:09] <MacGalempsy> sweet
[21:18:43] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately the TECO servos and drives I used on my Cincinatti Arrow 500 conversion do not go down to the Nema 34 size my CNC lathe uses so I am having to look at other options. Any reasonably priced recommendations in a 750 watt AC servo??
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[21:29:06] <Tom_itx> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/ac-servo-motors
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[21:30:02] <Tom_itx> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/ac-servo-motors/servo-driversimdrive-servo-motor-750w-set
[21:30:22] <PetefromTn_> OOH!
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[21:32:09] <PetefromTn_> never seen those before trying to determine if they are 0-10v input
[21:32:25] <Tom_itx> call and ask em
[21:32:47] <PetefromTn_> never heard of simdrive have you?
[21:33:06] <Tom_itx> nope but i've had pretty good luck with the company
[21:33:11] <Tom_itx> automatio....
[21:33:16] <PetefromTn_> that is keling inc right
[21:33:20] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[21:33:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah the last time I spoke with that guy he was kind of hard to understand
[21:34:09] <PetefromTn_> but honestly that seems a reasonable price for that system including cables etc.
[21:34:13] <PetefromTn_> 5meter
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[21:34:55] <PetefromTn_> I like the looks of the motor connectors too
[21:38:39] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cs-lab.eu/en/upload/pdf/simDrive/simDrive%20and%20CSM%20connection%20guide.pdf this document says it has encoder A,B,C, and Z and Hall A,B,C this is kinda different from my Teco's
[21:43:01] <flyback> hey Tom_itx
https://www.buylazerbond.com/
[21:43:22] <flyback> I don't endorse, promote or sell that product it might be horseshit for all I know
[21:43:38] <flyback> the reason I mention it is I predicted this would happen along with others in industry eventually
[21:43:57] <flyback> selling paints, polymers, glues with a included disposable uv led to set them off
[21:44:00] <flyback> very cool
[21:44:16] <_methods> a tube of superglue with a flashlight?
[21:44:26] <flyback> yes but the glue is activated by the uv led
[21:44:32] <_methods> yeah right
[21:44:36] <flyback> no I am serious
[21:44:45] <flyback> they used shit like this 20 yrs ago on my teeth
[21:45:11] <flyback> there's a bunch of high tech adhesives etc that can be triggered by uv to curde
[21:45:13] <flyback> cure
[21:45:20] <_methods> lies
[21:45:22] <flyback> no
[21:45:25] <DaViruz> hardly
[21:45:33] <DaViruz> it's nothing new
[21:45:34] <flyback> it's very sound tech
[21:45:38] <_methods> impossible
[21:45:45] <DaViruz> it's been used for glass adhesives for a long time
[21:45:46] * flyback bites _methods for excessive "canuck tendencies"
[21:46:22] <_methods> as seen on tv uv cure adhesive
[21:46:51] <Contract_Pilot> What to do with the rest of my day? Still have not unpacked from the gun show.
[21:47:05] <PetefromTn_> those servos and drives require a power module but it SEEMS that one module will run both amps
[21:47:19] <Contract_Pilot> have about 2,000 ak-47 magazines to check and sort!
[21:47:25] <Contract_Pilot> just no motovation.
[21:48:37] <flyback> I remmebered reading about improvements in leds espically uv ones and how they could see a product selling with a cheap uv emitter to activate it
[21:48:50] <flyback> just keep the emitter away from kids
[21:48:59] <flyback> end up with cataracts or skin cancer
[21:49:22] <flyback> long term people not using the product properly
[21:49:42] <flyback> _methods, again I am not endorsing the product
[21:50:05] <flyback> I am endorsing the fact we finally reached the point where it's economical to see something uv activated and include the emitter
[21:50:11] <flyback> see/sell
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[21:53:19] <_methods> wouldn't you have to have an msds for a product like that
[21:53:53] <Tom_itx> flapjack is back!
[21:54:03] <flyback> na just visiting
[21:54:09] <flyback> and BMC Tom_itx
[21:54:12] <Tom_itx> phew!
[21:54:15] * flyback hurls ve7it at Tom_itx
[21:54:16] <Tom_itx> :)
[21:55:20] <flyback> http://www.brightreviews.com/lazer-bond-reviews
[21:55:34] <flyback> see like I said same tech from dentist and electronics bonding
[21:55:41] <flyback> bbl autism community night
[21:57:40] <_methods> can you sell a chemical product like that without having a msds available
[21:57:46] <_methods> i can't find one for it at all
[21:57:56] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx just got off the phone with that guy at keling
[21:58:01] <Deejay> gn8
[21:58:22] <Tom_itx> and?
[21:58:23] <PetefromTn_> he said the motors and drives are actually european CS Labs manufacture but I kinda doubt that
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[21:58:45] <Tom_itx> why?
[21:58:53] <PetefromTn_> apparently they run 325v and you have to buy a power module to run them on single phase input like I want
[21:59:01] <PetefromTn_> well the price mostly
[21:59:15] <Tom_itx> maybe they buy alot of them
[21:59:18] <Tom_itx> and get a good price
[21:59:21] <PetefromTn_> cannot imagine a euro product being as cheap as chinese stuff
[21:59:28] <PetefromTn_> that is possible I suppose
[21:59:34] <Tom_itx> dinner..
[21:59:36] <PetefromTn_> they certainly LOOK nice
[21:59:52] <Tom_itx> dl the specs and look
[21:59:59] <PetefromTn_> I am
[22:00:42] <PetefromTn_> if they are indeed decent quality it would be nice to have a US supplier and I could equip this lathe for around $1400 or so
[22:00:48] <PetefromTn_> not bad really
[22:00:50] <_methods> just don't buy any german stuff
[22:01:01] <PetefromTn_> I know they lie LOL
[22:01:02] <_methods> its all hacked with cheat code to make it look good
[22:01:03] <_methods> lol
[22:01:42] <_methods> german scam artists
[22:02:07] <PetefromTn_> If those will work I can get the whole lathe done with all brand new motors and drives/cables on both axes and the Hitachi Sindle drive for $2300 thereabouts
[22:02:18] <PetefromTn_> Spindle
[22:02:38] <PetefromTn_> I can live with that for closed loop servo control..
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[22:06:48] <MacGalempsy> This topic came up last night in class. Why do we still have to use a H word and D work for tool compensation when we are telling the program that we are using T01?
[22:07:20] <MacGalempsy> it seems like the gcode would have evolved to eleminate error possibility
[22:07:23] <PetefromTn_> because sometimes you only program for height not diameter
[22:07:34] <PetefromTn_> I do that all the time
[22:07:42] <MacGalempsy> PetefromTn_: but if we are pulling from the tool table, who cares?
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[22:08:56] <PetefromTn_> I do because as I just said sometimes I do not program for diameter but you gotta use height really if you are changing tools. So my CAM calls out what it is programmed to based on my toolpath selections
[22:09:21] <PetefromTn_> or maybe I am misunderstanding the question
[22:10:15] <_methods> or multiple diameter offsets
[22:10:16] <MacGalempsy> I guess the question is, if we are defining T01 in the tool table, why are we still having to use the H and D words when the values of H and D are stored in the tool table?
[22:10:33] <MacGalempsy> so you have T01 H01 D01, all referring to the same entry in the tool table
[22:10:48] <MacGalempsy> eliminate H01 and D01, and let T01 do all the work
[22:11:06] <_methods> you may want to use diff h or d
[22:11:10] <_methods> depending on the op
[22:11:12] <MacGalempsy> when?
[22:11:19] <_methods> i've had to do it before
[22:11:24] <MacGalempsy> please give an example when you would do that?
[22:11:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah I did not even think of that but you could
[22:11:47] <_methods> i had a part that had a very tight tolerance on another op
[22:11:53] <_methods> and used a diff dia comp
[22:12:18] <_methods> ive had to do it a couple times for weird setups or ops
[22:12:26] <MacGalempsy> ah, so for particular parts you want to trial machine, you will use a different D word for the same tool
[22:12:32] <PetefromTn_> The code calls out what parameters to use for the machining operation to the control the H01 and D01 just read those parameters... you do not need to use either in particular..
[22:13:22] <PetefromTn_> another for instance I have a particular endmill as tool 3 and 4
[22:13:35] <PetefromTn_> both are the same diameter but different length offsets
[22:13:55] <PetefromTn_> I use one on a different Diameter for creeping up on things while leaving the other actual
[22:13:57] <MacGalempsy> when you mic both bits they are EXACTLY the same?
[22:14:14] <MacGalempsy> ok, I get it
[22:14:26] <PetefromTn_> pretty much same manuf etc.
[22:15:16] <_methods> its not very common to have to do that but you have the option at least if you have to
[22:16:00] <_methods> i've had to use it mostly when running more than one part in teh same machine
[22:16:12] <_methods> especially on a dense tombstone
[22:18:58] <_methods> i program wear also so i need multiple D words for the same tool
[22:19:23] <_methods> like say i programmed the part for a 1/4" end mill t1
[22:19:31] <_methods> but i put in a 3/8" end mill in t1
[22:19:49] <_methods> but i use that same tool on another part and it's supposed to be 3/8"
[22:19:59] <_methods> then i an just use a diff D
[22:20:09] <_methods> 1 for the offset wear and one for the actual wear
[22:21:58] <Computer_barf> what do you guys think of tormachs pathpilot?
[22:22:25] <Computer_barf> i means it seems to be just a reskinning of linuxcnc with some added conversational
[22:22:29] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah man LinuxCNC is GREAT!!
[22:23:15] <Computer_barf> i like that they redid the interface
[22:23:37] <Computer_barf> i mean it seems like a really simple thing that could be done to improve appeal
[22:24:06] <_methods> what's wrong with axis?
[22:24:15] <Computer_barf> it's ugly
[22:24:37] <ssi> don't call axis ugly! you'll hurt it's feelings :'(
[22:24:50] <_methods> fit, form, function
[22:25:04] <PetefromTn_> I must agree ;)
[22:25:16] <Computer_barf> i mean it shouldn't take a rocket surgeon to see that improving an interface to look professional improves public appeal
[22:25:46] <ssi> I take it you're volunteering
[22:25:52] <_methods> public appeal lol
[22:26:01] <Computer_barf> yeah, its fit , form , function, not fit, function.
[22:26:36] <PetefromTn_> We shouldn't need a volunteer it is alread done!
[22:27:00] <ssi> sure, if you can get tormach to volunteer to contribute and open source their changes
[22:27:34] <PetefromTn_> shouldn't need to get to :D
[22:27:50] <ssi> cool, let me know when it's merged
[22:27:52] <Computer_barf> ok so if the interface is made in gtk, I would presume gtk is capable of showing an image rather than a button
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[22:31:46] <Computer_barf> wait is it correct that its gtk?
[22:36:38] <enleth> Gentlemen, the bridgeport head works after reassembly.
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[22:37:11] <enleth> The adjustment range is quite formidable when combined with a VFD.
[22:37:31] <Computer_barf> "AXIS is a graphical front-end for LinuxCNC which features a live preview and backplot. It is written in Python and uses Tk and OpenGL to display its user interface."
[22:37:49] <Computer_barf> is the tk in that quite a mistake or is tk something diffrent than gtk
[22:37:56] <enleth> Although I have to use a portable drill to crank the adjustment screw, the pneumatic motor being dead.
[22:39:25] <ssi> tk != gtk
[22:39:30] <enleth> Computer_barf: "Tk" alone often refers to this:
http://www.tcl.tk/software/tcltk/
[22:39:44] <PetefromTn_> enleth congrats man
[22:39:44] <enleth> Computer_barf: the toolkit part, to be exact
[22:40:32] <enleth> PetefromTn_: there is bad news too: I think I may have damaged the motor bearings by banging the stuck pulleys with a huge mallet
[22:40:44] <enleth> There is a *huge*, easily noticeable wobble/runout
[22:41:04] <enleth> And I don't think it was there when I started
[22:41:08] <enleth> Can't be sure now, though
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[22:41:40] <enleth> And I'm not sure how dangerous what I did was to the bearings
[22:42:02] <enleth> Maybe they were worn in the first place and my percussive maintenance practices just accelerated their death
[22:42:10] <PetefromTn_> generally speaking...as a rule.....larger hammers and precision bearings do not mix ;)
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[22:42:47] <enleth> Well, rusted shafts and pulley havles don't mix with variable geometry pulleys either
[22:43:31] <enleth> And even if I damaged those bearings, it shouldn't be too hard or expensive to replace them
[22:43:48] <enleth> The biggest PITA is taking the motor off
[22:44:39] <enleth> On most bridgeports the motor is mounted pointing upwards and it's the easiest part to remove on the whole damn mill.
[22:44:48] <enleth> On mine, it points down, into a recess in the ram
[22:46:22] <enleth> And it's FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE to wiggle it out of there without lifting the upper portion of the head (or the whole head in one piece) by about 8cm
[22:47:07] <enleth> The only major part that is more difficult to remove is the knee.
[22:49:03] <PetefromTn_> I did not mean to bust your chops I was just kidding. I am sure it was a pain in the butt I have had to take apart MANY machines and there is always some problem or issue LOL
[22:50:15] <enleth> There's also one spindle bearing that makes a funny noise
[22:50:32] <enleth> One of the upper pair I think, so it's not an urgent problem
[22:51:01] <enleth> I guess I should just replace all the spindle bearings to be sure
[22:53:29] <enleth> Funnily enough, I've got a bearing factory across the street.
[22:54:03] <enleth> I have to drop by and say hello to the guys at the factory store.
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[23:30:26] <zeeshan> is it illegal for a company to install spy ware on an employees computer?
[23:30:31] <zeeshan> so they can see their desktop
[23:32:07] <cradek> who owns the computer?
[23:32:12] <zeeshan> company
[23:32:23] <cradek> truly doubt it
[23:32:29] <Jymmm> They can do ANYTHING they want with THEIR computer
[23:32:42] <cradek> (employee handbook at my work explicitly says they can - maybe check yours)
[23:32:51] <furrywolf> they probably have to let you know
[23:32:54] <zeeshan> im not an employee
[23:33:03] <zeeshan> im indepdendent contractor
[23:33:04] <Jymmm> Then dont use their computer
[23:33:05] <cradek> furrywolf: doubt that
[23:33:33] <cradek> in my area, I understand recording *audio* of employees without their knowing is illegal
[23:33:37] <furrywolf> cradek: there's lots of laws about when you're allowed to monitor and what... for example, our cameras at work aren't allowed to record audio, for some law or the other.
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[23:33:38] <cradek> so it might be complicated
[23:33:58] <cradek> yeah and it also probably varies from place to place
[23:34:34] <cradek> zeeshan: bet the only way you'll get a real answer is from an employment lawyer in your area
[23:34:43] <Jymmm> Some laws are weird... you can VIDEO tape someone, but NOT record the audio =)
[23:35:21] <zeeshan> cradek i was just curious :P
[23:36:45] <furrywolf> also, according to the US, it's perfectly legal for the US to install spyware on your computer too, anywhere in the world. :P
[23:37:21] <cradek> and take a copy of all your data off of it without a warrant, if you cross a border
[23:37:31] <zeeshan> how do you guys irc from work? :P
[23:37:37] <malcom2073> I open up IRC
[23:37:38] * furrywolf doesn't
[23:37:38] <malcom2073> and connect
[23:37:59] <cradek> yeah I don't understand the question :-)
[23:38:23] <zeeshan> well if your employee has the right to monitor your comp
[23:38:28] <zeeshan> im sure they wont apprecite you being on irc
[23:38:42] <furrywolf> my suggestion would be not to work at any place that distrusts you so much as to want spyware on your computer.
[23:38:53] <t12> very few orgs have the warewithall or time to care
[23:38:58] <zeeshan> ill tell you what happened
[23:39:01] <zeeshan> i know a guy
[23:39:06] <zeeshan> he randomly came up to me today and goes
[23:39:15] <zeeshan> "hey man i heard you know how to remotely access a computer from here"
[23:39:22] <zeeshan> "can you tell me how, i want to try"
[23:39:28] <zeeshan> i've known him from my coop job
[23:39:32] <zeeshan> we've gone out for lunches and stuff
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[23:39:48] <zeeshan> why i got really weirded out was, ive only had the software installed for 2 days.
[23:39:54] <zeeshan> er since thursday
[23:39:56] <t12> lol
[23:40:01] <t12> did you say
[23:40:14] <Wolf_Mill> IT is clueless and wants to plug the hole
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[23:40:17] <t12> google teamviewer and follow instructions
[23:40:18] <zeeshan> i asked him how he knew
[23:40:25] <zeeshan> he's like i got my sources
[23:40:28] <zeeshan> so completely weird.
[23:40:40] <zeeshan> honestly i remote in to access my massive reference files
[23:40:44] <zeeshan> in total they prolly are around 100gigs
[23:40:51] <zeeshan> how the heck am i supposed to take that to work?
[23:40:59] <zeeshan> i open the file i need to access
[23:41:02] <furrywolf> 128GB thumbdrive. :P
[23:41:12] <zeeshan> they make em that big?
[23:41:17] <t12> ya
[23:41:17] <zeeshan> last time i checked they only went upto 64gib
[23:41:20] <zeeshan> and the bigger models are slow
[23:41:27] <t12> or usb hd whatever
[23:41:36] <zeeshan> too much to carry
[23:41:39] <Wolf_Mill> they make 128gb micro sdxc
[23:41:40] <SpeedEvil> they make microSDs that big
[23:41:41] <zeeshan> i dont wanna share them with anyone
[23:41:43] <SpeedEvil> you can get terabyte keychain SSDs
[23:41:55] <zeeshan> the other thing is
[23:41:57] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/HyperX-DataTraveler-Predator-Flash-Drive/dp/B00E65QM8O
[23:42:02] <zeeshan> i dint wanna open my personal references on the company comp
[23:42:10] <zeeshan> cause i don't know what the laws are for that
[23:42:14] <zeeshan> cause i've gought these ebooks and stuff
[23:42:18] <zeeshan> bought
[23:42:57] <zeeshan> im honestly really weirded out
[23:42:58] <zeeshan> its bothering me
[23:43:02] <zeeshan> how he knew
[23:43:37] <t12> lol
[23:43:43] <t12> paranoia
[23:43:55] <zeeshan> i don't appreciate being spied on
[23:44:00] <Wolf_Mill> IT dept probably saw the port running via the firewall
[23:44:06] <zeeshan> im not doing anything illegal or anything
[23:44:13] <zeeshan> i just don't like being snooped on
[23:44:20] <zeeshan> im sure no one does
[23:44:28] <zeeshan> its like having someone watch over your shoulder all day long
[23:44:59] <t12> just watch offe sive porn until they stop!
[23:47:23] <Wolf_Mill> stream mrpete222 vids all day, when they look in to it the IT guys will get so bored they wont check anymore
[23:49:41] <t12> https://m.youtube.com/user/TheGnomeWhisperer
[23:49:46] <t12> whatch those all day
[23:50:15] <zeeshan> lol Wolf_Mill
[23:52:17] <furrywolf> or just browse fchan or such until they need eyebleach and stop watching you.
[23:53:15] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Why not bring in your own laptop?
[23:53:30] <zeeshan> i could
[23:53:32] <zeeshan> but might be a bit od?
[23:53:33] <zeeshan> odd?
[23:53:56] <malcom2073> Erm, if they think that's weird, they'll likely think you doing personal things on company property weird
[23:55:12] <SpeedEvil> use your own tablet.
[23:55:14] <furrywolf> or if fchan doesn't do it, there's also beastforum or something like that... I've never been on it, but I've heard normal people would require much mindwash.
[23:56:54] <flyback> <enleth> PetefromTn_: there is bad news too: I think I may have damaged the motor bearings by banging the stuck pulleys with a huge mallet
[23:57:10] <flyback> oh he's polish
[23:57:16] <flyback> that explains the stupidity
[23:57:17] * flyback runs
[23:57:20] <flyback> joking :)
[23:57:29] <flyback> actually I seen some smart guys from your country
[23:58:08] <flyback> enleth, suggestion
[23:58:23] <flyback> if it's as bad as you make it sound to be to pull the parts to replace them
[23:58:40] <flyback> this would defintely be one of those times when the $30 bearings are better to get than the $20 bearings
[23:58:41] <flyback> :P
[23:59:04] <flyback> that reminds me thx
[23:59:12] <flyback> I need to order a bearing puller eventually
[23:59:25] <flyback> hey furrywolf how goes the battery bank?
