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[00:00:51] <jdh> got something with an analog input?
[00:01:32] <MacGalempsy> mesa 7i77
[00:02:36] <MacGalempsy> the manual mentions the card is capable of handleing a potentiometer, but I can only get it to read as TRUE/FALSE, not as a voltage
[00:03:25] <MacGalempsy> I will post the INI files.
[00:04:08] <cpresser> MacGalempsy: did you set the sserial-mode?
[00:06:17] <MacGalempsy> it has a 7i84 attached, so the settings for that are confusing
[00:06:59] <MacGalempsy> just got my linux box connected to net. I will post the key files and maybe someone would be kind enough to help me out
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[00:14:34] <Mac-vmc> Here is a copy of the HAL file
http://pastebin.com/DP2YEeAa
[00:14:55] <Mac-vmc> and INI
http://pastebin.com/QQM0YVZD
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[00:26:49] <JT-MOBILE> My swag is you need to configure the analog input
[00:27:15] <JT-MOBILE> But I don't have a manual on my phone
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[00:28:57] <cpresser> MacGalempsy: see the second post here:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/39-pncconf/29046-5i25-7i76-software-encoder-for-mpg-on-input-pins
[00:29:07] <cpresser> it tells you how to change the mode
[00:29:24] <cpresser> the 7i77 manual will tell you which mode does support analog input
[00:29:27] <MacGalempsy> ok, was reading the hostmot2
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[00:42:04] <MacGalempsy> does 5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-opendrain look right?
[00:42:29] <pcw_home> no
[00:48:06] <pcw_home> If you want to know what hardware pins are available you can load linuxcnc and then in a terminal window type
[00:48:07] <pcw_home> halcmd show pin | grep 5i25
[00:48:09] <pcw_home> ( for pins ), or
[00:48:10] <MacGalempsy> ahhh here we go
[00:48:10] <pcw_home> halcmd show params | grep 5i25
[00:48:12] <pcw_home> ( for parameters )
[00:48:26] <MacGalempsy> analogin0
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[00:51:46] <MacGalempsy> Thank you guys, this should occupy me for a while.
[00:53:24] <zeeshan-mill> tom
[00:53:26] <zeeshan-mill> doesnt work through mdi
[00:53:27] <zeeshan-mill> :(
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[01:32:43] <Tom_itx> zeeshan-mill, check the .var file
[01:33:35] <PetefromTn_> evening folks
[01:34:21] <XXCoder> yo
[01:35:40] <PetefromTn_> damn I'm tired
[01:36:42] <PetefromTn_> did I miss anything interesting ;)
[01:41:37] <XXCoder> not really
[01:42:40] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ have you ever tried entering the G54 offsets directly to the memory addres defined by RS274?
[01:43:23] <Tom_itx> ie: G54 X is 5221
[01:43:34] <Tom_itx> Y is 5222 etc
[01:43:37] <PetefromTn_> I am not sure I understand your question
[01:43:43] <PetefromTn_> in MDI?
[01:43:47] <Tom_itx> memory map
[01:43:58] <Tom_itx> on some older machines you had to enter it that way
[01:44:06] <PetefromTn_> well since I don't know what you mean I would have to say NO LOL
[01:44:29] <PetefromTn_> oh you mean NOT on linuxCNC
[01:44:29] <Tom_itx> ^^ in order to set up the G54 55 etc work offsets
[01:44:33] <Tom_itx> yeah
[01:44:39] <Tom_itx> or anywhere for that matter
[01:44:56] <PetefromTn_> most of the machines I have run have been HAAS and they are quite similar to linuxCNC really
[01:45:15] <Tom_itx> we had one that was like that but i can't remember what control it was
[01:45:45] <PetefromTn_> even the original control had a similar setup to linuxCNC really which was Emerson Control Techniques
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[01:46:34] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx I gotta tell ya today I have had a BUNCH of orders for the rails I have been selling and I was running the now well proven program and I REALLY was wanting that damn toolchanger to work LOL
[01:47:08] <Tom_itx> it looks pretty well defined in the carousel comp in 2.7
[01:47:19] <Tom_itx> even a sim demo you can run to see it work
[01:47:23] <PetefromTn_> I would need to do something about the coolant nozzles tho because I do need to adjust for each cutter now
[01:47:43] <MacGalempsy> so I got this potentiometer in there and the counts and scale picked, but the AXIS visual control seems to be taking priority over the dial, but I cannot find how to cancel the onscreen feed-override
[01:47:49] <Tom_itx> our spindles had several shooting straight down to the tool area
[01:48:00] <Tom_itx> plus a few plastic ajustable ones
[01:48:07] <PetefromTn_> I have been looking into building some sort of manifold that has a few more nozzles on it with smaller orifices
[01:48:18] <MacGalempsy> anyone know which file I need to edit to do this? it is not in any of the standard HAL or PYVCP files in the configs folder
[01:48:26] <Tom_itx> a ring around the spindle might work
[01:48:27] <PetefromTn_> right now I have two one is a big one and the other slightly smaller...
[01:48:36] <Tom_itx> with plastic coming down from it
[01:48:49] <PetefromTn_> they work fine but when switching from a drill to an 1/8 endmill it is not happenin LOL
[01:48:57] <Tom_itx> that way it would follow the tools
[01:49:24] <PetefromTn_> I saw a guy build a ring like that with copper small diameter tube nozzles you could bend etc.
[01:49:54] <zeeshan-mill> Tom_itx, doesnt change
[01:49:55] <Tom_itx> the old new brittans i ran all used copper tube
[01:50:03] <zeeshan-mill> man these wood pieces smell good when youre machining them
[01:50:14] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, did you check the .var file itself?
[01:50:16] <zeeshan-mill> i see a mix of plastic and wood chips
[01:50:17] <zeeshan-mill> Tom_itx, yes
[01:50:28] <Tom_itx> acording to that page it should change
[01:50:29] <PetefromTn_> today was my youngest daughter's birthday
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[01:50:49] <zeeshan-mill> how old pete?
[01:50:57] <zeeshan-mill> Tom_itx, maybe you cant change it through mdi?
[01:50:59] <PetefromTn_> so I machined parts this morning and then she wanted to have a bowling party so we went over there
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[01:51:15] <PetefromTn_> then we all went to Olive Garden for dinner/birthday cake
[01:51:22] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, write a test file that calls a dummy sub that changes the offsets
[01:51:23] <PetefromTn_> she is 9
[01:51:44] <Tom_itx> 9 goin on 19?
[01:52:03] <PetefromTn_> not really but I know what you mean
[01:53:01] <PetefromTn_> we got her this cool liitle Remote Controlled Wall-E robot
[01:53:22] <PetefromTn_> I love when he says his name ;)
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[01:54:05] <PetefromTn_> his eyes/lights even bend down like the movie and his hands move
[01:54:45] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: I got one of those for my son. They are great
[01:54:46] <PetefromTn_> I was kinda hoping he could open his belly and put stuff inside to move it around so I could have it deliver my soda but it does not open :(
[01:54:57] <Contract_Pilot> Whoo.. Hoo... long day got home and have my path pilot disk.
[01:55:06] <PetefromTn_> oh cool
[01:55:13] <PetefromTn_> its a neat little robot huh
[01:55:27] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: It is. Lots for fun for the kids to play with
[01:55:34] <os1r1s> We also have the eve, but its not as fun
[01:55:57] <PetefromTn_> and that is one of the few cartoon movies I can really enjoy
[01:55:57] <atom1> zeeshan, what gcode will READ the G54 offset values?
[01:56:13] <PetefromTn_> Contract_Pilot neato man let us know how you get along with it
[01:56:25] <Contract_Pilot> Making a backup! of disk Now!
[01:57:01] <PetefromTn_> have you seen the thread on CNCzone that discusses adapting it to other machines?
[01:57:10] <Contract_Pilot> Yep...
[01:57:32] <Contract_Pilot> Reason why my post to shwitch form mach to lcnc
[01:57:53] <Contract_Pilot> Now waiting on my mesa combo.
[01:57:54] <PetefromTn_> oh forget mach LOL
[01:58:31] <PetefromTn_> I must say that linuxCNC has been DEAD Reliable for me on the VMC so far.
[01:58:32] <furrywolf> what advantages does path pilot have?
[01:58:44] <PetefromTn_> it has a nicer interface
[01:58:52] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, spent to much time on mach.
[01:59:08] <bobo> Reasion #2 for a tool changer
https://www.facebook.com/15179589950...64422/?fref=nf
[01:59:16] <Contract_Pilot> And the Conversational
[01:59:34] <furrywolf> does it do anything better, or is it just shinier?
[01:59:49] <PetefromTn_> well it does have the updated toolpath
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[02:00:14] <PetefromTn_> if you search youtube for Tormach lathe you can see the new interface
[02:00:20] <atom1> ze
[02:00:20] <PetefromTn_> I must admit it is quite nice
[02:00:27] <atom1> zeeshan, try something...
[02:00:30] <atom1> mkay?
[02:00:39] <atom1> user variables
[02:00:40] <PetefromTn_> and I was very bummed when I found out we would not be getting it....
[02:04:56] <Contract_Pilot> BRB reboot winblows.
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[02:07:36] <atom1> zeeshan, i think if you use gcode user variables you can do what you want and set the G54 offsets
[02:07:49] <atom1> i get an error using mdi as well in sim
[02:08:34] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Amadeal-Mini-Lathe-Brand-New-7x14-Machine-with-DRO-4-Chuck-Metal-Gears-/261740534866?hash=item3cf0f39c52
[02:08:40] * SpeedEvil idly wonders how shit this is.
[02:09:37] <SpeedEvil> hmm.
[02:09:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MyFord-Super-7-ML7-Lathe-Cabinet-More-/331658649399?hash=item4d38655f37 within 5 miles.
[02:10:28] <PetefromTn_> I would much prefer the second one ;)
[02:10:41] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[02:12:13] <atom1> zeeshan, i figured out the syntax for you
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[02:12:53] <atom1> G10 L2 P1 X[#5221+incrementalvalue]
[02:13:02] <atom1> ie: G10 L2 P1 X[#5221+3]
[02:13:31] <os1r1s> Any idea where you can find a db25 panel mount extension?
[02:13:33] <atom1> you need to add to the memvar directly but access it using the G10 L2 function
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[02:14:09] <atom1> you can test that in sim as well
[02:14:31] <PetefromTn_> what is zeeshan trying to do exactly?
[02:15:19] <Tom_itx> use the same fixture offset but increment it in gcode so it acts like G54 55 56 etc
[02:15:27] <Tom_itx> without changing the G54
[02:15:36] <Tom_itx> just change the X coord on the fly
[02:15:41] <Tom_itx> ^^ that will do it
[02:15:57] <Tom_itx> so he can run the same code in a sub on all his fixture
[02:16:21] <Tom_itx> put the x coord in the main file and run the program as a sub
[02:16:40] <Tom_itx> then increment it at the endsub in the main file
[02:16:59] <Tom_itx> loop however many times he has fixtures for
[02:17:02] <PetefromTn_> I usually just use the available offsets unless there is a LOT of parts then I just use CAM to do everything.
[02:17:22] <Tom_itx> he tried to use subs in his cam but it didn't work right
[02:17:33] <Tom_itx> this should work fine i think
[02:17:46] <Tom_itx> and he'll only need one part worth of gcode
[02:18:18] <Tom_itx> surface files get big pretty quick
[02:19:18] <Tom_itx> i repeated this in mdi and it incremented the G54 X offset by 3 each time: G10 L2 P1 X[#5221+3]
[02:20:04] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx Hey man I was thinking about you today
[02:20:15] <PetefromTn_> I was out in the shop running parts
[02:20:34] <PetefromTn_> and since I have several different programs for different rail types now
[02:20:53] <PetefromTn_> I was like I GOTTA find a better way to setup for each one quicker
[02:21:17] <PetefromTn_> then I remembered your suggestion about using a tool as an X axis stop
[02:21:28] <PetefromTn_> so I tried it on my Steyr rail program
[02:21:33] <Tom_itx> oh hell ya...
[02:21:37] <PetefromTn_> I used my spot drill
[02:21:45] <Tom_itx> just use a dowel pin
[02:21:54] <Tom_itx> they're pretty accurate
[02:22:00] <PetefromTn_> and I programmed it to come down beside the stock
[02:22:16] <PetefromTn_> all of the rails I make are 1x2 material
[02:22:21] <PetefromTn_> so I center in Y
[02:22:24] <os1r1s> PetefromTn_: Pictures?
[02:22:27] <PetefromTn_> but the X changes
[02:22:38] <PetefromTn_> since they are all different lengths
[02:22:43] <Tom_itx> right
[02:22:44] <PetefromTn_> this way the program starts
[02:22:54] <PetefromTn_> I load tool6 which is the spot drill
[02:23:02] <PetefromTn_> it comes down aside the vise
[02:23:09] <Tom_itx> we used a high tool number so it was always the same one
[02:23:16] <Tom_itx> like 16 etc
[02:23:23] <PetefromTn_> and I take the stock and pop it atop the parallels
[02:23:25] <Tom_itx> usually the last tool in the carousel
[02:23:32] <PetefromTn_> and slide it over to the spot drill
[02:23:53] <PetefromTn_> then I just lock it down with the vise handle and beat it down with my rubber mallet
[02:24:01] <PetefromTn_> then I have an option stop
[02:24:11] <Tom_itx> right
[02:24:21] <Tom_itx> so you can finish tightening it
[02:24:26] <PetefromTn_> so I hit the pause button and the head comes up and asks for the next tool which is the facemill/flycutter
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[02:24:46] <PetefromTn_> I did this with two of the six parts I make because that is what I was working on today
[02:24:54] <PetefromTn_> when I do the others I will make the same adjustment
[02:24:57] <PetefromTn_> VERY cool man
[02:25:04] <Tom_itx> time saver
[02:25:07] <PetefromTn_> MUCH faster than touching off each damn piece
[02:25:20] <PetefromTn_> if only there was an easy way to touch off the Y like that
[02:25:31] <PetefromTn_> I mean besides a quality tool probe LOL
[02:25:31] <Tom_itx> keep the back edge of the vise
[02:25:41] <Tom_itx> we used that
[02:26:09] <PetefromTn_> I work all my programs from the center of part/center of stock
[02:26:27] <PetefromTn_> os1r1s I do not have any pictures of this sorry man
[02:26:34] <Tom_itx> we used the back edge of the vise and the edge of the dowel as X0 Y0 in the cad
[02:26:49] <Tom_itx> whether the X was left or right didn't matter
[02:26:56] <Wolf_Mill> I set my cam use to use the back of the vice + side stop
[02:27:04] <Tom_itx> just set the cad up with the dowel stop where you want it
[02:27:46] <PetefromTn_> actually I just hand coded the dowel stop
[02:27:53] <PetefromTn_> it is dead simple really
[02:28:02] <Tom_itx> add it as a tool to your cad and it will be there
[02:28:07] <PetefromTn_> it sure as hell makes setup quicker tho
[02:28:15] <Tom_itx> and you can do it all in your cad from here on
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[02:28:28] <PetefromTn_> well like I said it IS a tool
[02:28:38] <Tom_itx> not all parts are run that way but those that are sure saves time
[02:28:46] <PetefromTn_> it is my spot drill which has a mostly solid shank .3125
[02:29:04] <Tom_itx> right but if you use a dowel you can set your cad up with S0 zero spindle speed
[02:29:30] <PetefromTn_> I think I can do that anyway
[02:29:36] <Tom_itx> we used .500 dowel because it was easy to remember
[02:29:43] <PetefromTn_> besides this does not consume another holder
[02:29:57] <Tom_itx> yeah i suppose if you're limited on holders
[02:29:58] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/XmoaH9j.jpg sounds sorta like what I did here, had to do 2 halfs (3 programs each) but the 2nd half I used a drilled hole as my x,y 0
[02:30:32] <Tom_itx> we just kept a dowel in the carousel on every machine
[02:30:41] <Tom_itx> and knew where it was for each one
[02:31:12] <PetefromTn_> that's cool...this works great and since the spot drill is USUALLY my first tool for a lot of stuff it is even a step quicker
[02:31:23] <Tom_itx> yeah
[02:31:29] <PetefromTn_> Wolf_Mill nice
[02:31:55] <Tom_itx> one time you'll slam the block against it and tweak it possibly...
[02:31:59] <Wolf_Mill> what happens when you have 7.5" of X travel, but a 12.5" part
[02:32:21] <PetefromTn_> I would use the fixed jaw for the Y axis but honestly since I program everything from the center of the part/material I would have to change too much shit
[02:32:31] <Tom_itx> Wolf_Mill, same thing i told zeeshan, set it up diagonally and see if it will fit
[02:32:53] <Tom_itx> not sure that much would but it might
[02:33:05] <PetefromTn_> its a 5/16 solid spot drill in an ER32 holder....it's pretty stout LOL
[02:34:50] <PetefromTn_> I have been REALLY trying to optimize these programs lately as well
[02:35:04] <PetefromTn_> Speeding up what I can and getting rid of air cutting whenever possible
[02:35:07] <Tom_itx> yeah ones we ran alot we edited out all the air cuts
[02:35:51] <Tom_itx> and tried to opimize where the tool was and cut everything there first
[02:35:58] <PetefromTn_> I gotta machine a bunch of steel parts here soon if the race shop guys come thru with the cash LOL
[02:36:19] <Tom_itx> it'll screw up your coolant
[02:36:36] <PetefromTn_> will probably order a bunch of YG1's for that
[02:36:39] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[02:36:46] <Tom_itx> rust etc
[02:36:54] <Tom_itx> if you let it sit much
[02:37:07] <PetefromTn_> I cut steel a lot actually, cast iron too...so far no problems
[02:37:24] <PetefromTn_> but this will be a good bit of cutting steel 1/2 inch plate
[02:37:32] <Tom_itx> the old brittans i ran use oil from 55 gal barrels
[02:37:38] <PetefromTn_> well a good bit for my shop anyway
[02:38:04] <Tom_itx> i'd usually add half a barrel at a time when it got low
[02:38:30] <furrywolf> I was going to work on generators today, but I ended up just improving my workspace (I had them sitting on pallets... now they're sitting on plywood on pallets) and giving one of them a coat of wax.
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[02:39:01] <Tom_itx> dammit zeeshan! where did you go...
[02:39:40] <PetefromTn_> he doesn't have time for our bullshit anymore ;)
[02:39:58] <Tom_itx> then he's doing it the hard way..
[02:40:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: zeeshan-mill is in the.... <cue spooky music> THE OUTER LIMITS
[02:41:17] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, the drill doesn't get in the way like a side stop would either
[02:41:40] <Tom_itx> or get bumped and changed...
[02:42:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah man exactly
[02:42:12] <PetefromTn_> that is one of the things I was dealing with
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[02:42:25] <Tom_itx> can't mill that end unless you moved it
[02:42:40] <PetefromTn_> I usually setup 123 blocks with a skinny parallel using strap clamps for a temporary stop
[02:42:46] <PetefromTn_> but when I use that flycutter
[02:42:56] <PetefromTn_> it cuts a 4.5" swath
[02:43:14] <PetefromTn_> and I have to be really carful I don't smack that strap clamp
[02:43:23] <PetefromTn_> or bad shit will happen
[02:43:32] <PetefromTn_> this way there IS no stop LOL
[02:43:40] <Tom_itx> i poked a hole in the rear of the enclosure once that way
[02:43:44] <PetefromTn_> I must say it was really nice
[02:44:47] <PetefromTn_> I will be doing that from now on I think.
[02:45:06] <PetefromTn_> Even if it just saves me from having to touch off just the X that is still a time saver
[02:45:19] <PetefromTn_> ya know what would REALLY help me tho
[02:45:35] <PetefromTn_> when I machine these parts I cut the part down to the depth of the part atop the vise
[02:45:48] <PetefromTn_> leaving the flashing that I was holding on to below that
[02:46:08] <PetefromTn_> for instance I use 1" material for the Steyr rails and the cut only goes .88 deep
[02:46:20] <PetefromTn_> so that leaves that lip on the bottom
[02:46:36] <PetefromTn_> then I turn it over and the program requires me to face off that flashing
[02:46:45] <PetefromTn_> then I can touch off the actual part body
[02:46:55] <Tom_itx> you face it off or profile it ?
[02:47:01] <PetefromTn_> if I am making more than one it is no big deal because I only have to do it once
[02:47:08] <PetefromTn_> I face it off
[02:47:14] <PetefromTn_> down to the part
[02:47:30] <PetefromTn_> then it is mostly champfering and pocketing to mirror the first side
[02:47:38] <PetefromTn_> but the problem is
[02:47:56] <PetefromTn_> that I cannot simply touch off the flashing because it is not accurate enough
[02:48:07] <PetefromTn_> and the part exists inside the edge of that flashing
[02:48:15] <PetefromTn_> so I typically use a stop
[02:48:21] <PetefromTn_> and touch off the edge of the stop
[02:48:27] <PetefromTn_> slide the part to the stop
[02:48:43] <PetefromTn_> and program the offset distance to the center of the part
[02:48:53] <PetefromTn_> to get to G54 X0Y0
[02:48:55] <Tom_itx> ok, well you know how much you're taking off when you face the first side so remove that when you program the bottom side and you don't need to touch off at all. add a 'DOWEL PIN' tool change / op stop to flip the part and locate it then finish facing P2
[02:49:12] <Tom_itx> you already know what you removed
[02:49:17] <Tom_itx> use that to your advantage
[02:49:54] <PetefromTn_> ?
[02:50:10] <Tom_itx> you face off and profile P1 right?
[02:50:23] <Tom_itx> position 1
[02:50:28] <PetefromTn_> the face on the p1 is just a light skim to get to smooth metal
[02:50:38] <Tom_itx> then you profile it?
[02:50:45] <Tom_itx> and flip it over?
[02:50:47] <PetefromTn_> then I profile it to depth of the part
[02:50:55] <PetefromTn_> yes
[02:51:02] <Tom_itx> so you know how much you remove
[02:51:17] <PetefromTn_> you mean the flashing?
[02:51:21] <Tom_itx> for P2 use that as your Y0 reference
[02:51:23] <Tom_itx> no
[02:51:28] <Tom_itx> the flashing is what is left
[02:51:36] <Tom_itx> if i understand you right
[02:51:46] <PetefromTn_> Oh you are talking about Y
[02:51:57] <PetefromTn_> I thought you were talking about Z
[02:52:08] <Tom_itx> X would be the same because the flashing is still there
[02:52:17] <Tom_itx> you also know what you took off for X
[02:52:18] <Tom_itx> Z
[02:52:19] <Tom_itx> sry
[02:52:21] <enleth> I'm starting to suspect why exactly was my bridgeport put out of use. The control has some intermittent problems with spindle interlock safety checks that prove to be extremely hard to track down.
[02:52:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah but I do not finish cut my material it is just rough sawm
[02:52:31] <PetefromTn_> sawn
[02:52:43] <Tom_itx> finish one side before you start
[02:52:53] <PetefromTn_> so I cannot rely on the edges
[02:53:03] <Tom_itx> ^^ then you could
[02:53:10] <Tom_itx> or 2 edges
[02:53:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah but that is ANOTHER Step
[02:53:37] <Tom_itx> we usually started with known block sizes
[02:53:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah I do too
[02:53:52] <PetefromTn_> but I just bandsaw it
[02:53:58] <PetefromTn_> so it is not really precise
[02:53:59] <Tom_itx> that's unknown :D
[02:54:09] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[02:54:33] <Tom_itx> doesn't take long once you have the shell mill to depth
[02:54:41] <Tom_itx> do them all at once
[02:55:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah I don't think that is the right method for me for this instance
[02:55:18] <Tom_itx> over all it ends up being faster
[02:56:32] <PetefromTn_> right now I setup the stop for the second side, pickup the edge of the stop, slide the part to it, and work off the fixed jaw for the Y offset, adjust and I am on position
[02:57:19] <Tom_itx> that sounds about right
[02:57:39] <Tom_itx> you're worried about Z?
[02:57:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah but if there was a way to use that traveling stop it would be cool
[02:57:59] <Tom_itx> you can
[02:57:59] <PetefromTn_> no not really Z is from top of stock always for me
[02:58:13] <PetefromTn_> how?
[02:58:20] <Tom_itx> just remember what you remove and put the center drill where you want it in the cad cam
[02:58:24] <Tom_itx> with an op stop after it
[02:58:50] <Tom_itx> use the 'dowel' for all of it
[02:58:55] <PetefromTn_> I could possibly use the traveling stop with say a dowel pin
[02:59:10] <PetefromTn_> to reach under the flashing
[02:59:18] <PetefromTn_> and adjust the part to it
[02:59:32] <Tom_itx> if you mill the end flat you don't need to reach under the flashing
[02:59:50] <Tom_itx> you know how much material you removed in P1 and adjust the dowel for that
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[03:00:22] <PetefromTn_> yup but trying to avoid that additional step ;)
[03:00:24] <Tom_itx> unless i'm not following
[03:00:37] <PetefromTn_> no I think you are following just fine
[03:00:51] <PetefromTn_> it overhangs something like a quarter inch or so
[03:00:53] <Tom_itx> oh yeah... no ATC :)
[03:01:04] <Tom_itx> that slows things down quite a bit
[03:01:15] <PetefromTn_> har de har harr
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[03:01:34] <PetefromTn_> I am pretty fast with the toolchange manually ;)
[03:01:41] <Tom_itx> we ran a BOSS5 quite a while like that
[03:01:55] <Contract_Pilot> backup burn boots but requires mesa card as i thought.
http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Path-Pilot-Install-Mesa-Card-Required.jpg
[03:03:02] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, so you're reaching under the undercut to set the X axis offset for P2?
[03:03:25] <Contract_Pilot> So need mesa card darn it.
[03:03:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[03:03:41] <Contract_Pilot> they are out 4 weeks for combo.
[03:03:45] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: Is it open source?
[03:03:52] <Tom_itx> and it's about 1/4" thick?
[03:03:57] <os1r1s> path pilot?
[03:04:03] <Tom_itx> i have a crazy idea...
[03:04:08] <PetefromTn_> something like that yeah
[03:04:18] <PetefromTn_> I know fix the toolchanger
[03:04:38] <Tom_itx> get a step drill for the center drill and let the shank hang out a bit and use that but lower it so the shank clears the undercut
[03:04:41] <Contract_Pilot> Should be.
[03:04:41] <Contract_Pilot> it is linux cnc
[03:04:42] <Contract_Pilot> but a Path Pilot GUI and Features
[03:04:59] <Tom_itx> make sure the shank is 1/4" smaller than the tool diameter
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[03:05:18] <Tom_itx> and use the tool diameter still to set the X axis
[03:05:42] <Tom_itx> like a .500 shank 1" drill
[03:05:44] <Wolf_Mill> some radius bits have that kinda step
[03:05:47] <PetefromTn_> actually that is not a bad idea
[03:05:52] <Tom_itx> :)
[03:06:14] <PetefromTn_> I could machine a round boss that screws onto the top of the shaft near the toolholder
[03:06:32] <PetefromTn_> and measure the radius to get my offset
[03:06:35] <Tom_itx> whatever.. you get the idea
[03:06:36] <PetefromTn_> Hm
[03:07:13] <PetefromTn_> it sure would be sweet not to have to touch off with my Starrett edge finder each time I go to setup one of these thigns
[03:07:17] <PetefromTn_> things
[03:07:30] <Tom_itx> it's a cnc... make it work for you
[03:07:38] <PetefromTn_> Oh it has been ;)
[03:07:44] <PetefromTn_> sold four yesterday alone
[03:07:58] <Tom_itx> cool
[03:08:11] <Wolf_Mill> other option might be to make a stop that bolts to the vise side
[03:08:12] <PetefromTn_> apparently the race shop guys sold two more rotor machining sets too they just told me
[03:08:46] <PetefromTn_> Wolf_Mill yeah I agree and that is what I usually do here
[03:09:00] <PetefromTn_> but I make several different styles of rails
[03:09:36] <PetefromTn_> and each on requires a different zero since even tho the X0Y0 is in the center of them all they are all different lengths and widths
[03:10:02] <PetefromTn_> with the floating stop pin like Tom recommended I can just load the program and hit the stop when it comes down into position.
[03:10:32] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna have to think about this setup a bit more here
[03:10:40] <PetefromTn_> but I like this idea
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[03:14:40] <Tom_itx> Wolf_Mill, we've done that before too but it gets in the way sometimes
[03:15:26] <PetefromTn_> https://greenville.craigslist.org/tls/5165796279.html this looks like a sweet machine
[03:15:31] <Wolf_Mill> once you are clamped in the vice, I swing the stop out of th way
[03:16:14] <PetefromTn_> these parts are all much wider than the vise
[03:16:22] <PetefromTn_> the narrowest is like 9.5 inches
[03:16:45] <Wolf_Mill> which is why you are zero from center, right
[03:17:07] * Wolf_Mill is still learning...
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[03:17:38] <PetefromTn_> well to be honest I zero from center because that is how we always did it in the job shops I worked in. A lot of the machines had probing so it is simpler that way
[03:17:48] <Wolf_Mill> ahh
[03:17:55] <Tom_itx> we seldom did that :)
[03:18:09] <PetefromTn_> plus when you touch off each side of the part and find the middle you basically cut any error in half
[03:19:20] <PetefromTn_> did you guys have probing?
[03:19:31] <Tom_itx> we had wireless probes
[03:19:36] <PetefromTn_> huh
[03:19:39] <PetefromTn_> that is what we had
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[03:19:57] <PetefromTn_> you only had to bring the probe down near the center of the part and start the probe routing
[03:19:58] * furrywolf has no probes (of the cnc variety)
[03:20:14] <PetefromTn_> it found the center in X and Y and touched off Z all automatically
[03:20:20] <PetefromTn_> slick as snot
[03:21:39] <Tom_itx> we didn't use it much for that
[03:21:52] <furrywolf> I have meter probes, high voltage probes, oscilloscope probes, g-spot probes, etc... but no cnc probes. I wouldn't mind one, though!
[03:22:06] <Tom_itx> the one that got use the most was on those Ti trailing links for landing gear to probe some critical holes
[03:22:25] <PetefromTn_> wow man we used it on EVERYTHING
[03:22:32] <XXCoder> wonder if theres cheap probes lol
[03:22:39] <PetefromTn_> there is
[03:22:45] <Tom_itx> you can have good or you can have cheap
[03:22:53] <PetefromTn_> or fast
[03:23:58] <Wolf_Mill> I have learned fast that good measuring tools cost $$$
[03:24:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what we did on almost everthing because it was mostly automatic. just clamp the part down, pound it down onto the parallels, bring probe near center by eyeballmic and set some general rough parameters and the machine does the rest
[03:24:59] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE to have that wireless probing for my VMC...maybe someday
[03:25:21] <PetefromTn_> but honestly even that would not really help me with this issue of the flashing
[03:25:32] <PetefromTn_> still would have to face it off before the probing
[03:26:01] <Wolf_Mill> I think I have now spent more $$ on mic/calipers and di then I paid for my two mini machines here lol
[03:26:25] <PetefromTn_> thats a start :D
[03:27:16] <furrywolf> I have harbor freight calipers. they're cheap. heh.
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[03:27:24] <furrywolf> (in more than one meaning of the word!)
[03:27:37] <PetefromTn_> I have a few of those
[03:27:38] <XXCoder> I have my aliexpress caliper. its good enough for home use
[03:27:40] <Wolf_Mill> I have 3 of them
[03:27:48] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, the step dowel would fix your problem with the flashing
[03:27:53] <XXCoder> work I has nice mitroyshi something caliper and mm
[03:28:03] <PetefromTn_> honestly the biggest difference between those and my nice Mitutoyos is the hardened jaws and coolant proofness
[03:28:08] <Wolf_Mill> one of them is soon to get cut up and mounted on the cross slide of the lathe
[03:28:13] <Contract_Pilot> wolf
[03:28:23] <Contract_Pilot> or wolfe's
[03:28:29] <furrywolf> which? :P
[03:28:37] <XXCoder> my chinese special one I wouldnt trust precision past .003
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[03:29:14] <Contract_Pilot> got my disk 10hours at gun show and another 9 in the morning then will iso for ya!
[03:29:14] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, if zeeshan shows up tell him i fixed his fixture offsets problem
[03:29:23] <PetefromTn_> generally speaking calipers are only good to .0005 or so so basically even the cheap chinese ones are decent in that regard
[03:29:31] <Contract_Pilot> Mon/tuesday!
[03:29:51] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: yeah but for work its just not precise enough. it varies across .003
[03:29:59] <XXCoder> +-.0015
[03:30:02] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx I will but I am about to sign off here too LOL
[03:30:16] <Wolf_Mill> I grabed a mitutoyo mic and caliper plus a interapid di off facebook group last week, should be here monday (unless it was a scam lol)
[03:30:27] <PetefromTn_> nice
[03:30:33] <PetefromTn_> interapid is the cats ass
[03:30:51] <PetefromTn_> I have a brown and sharp but I want an angled interapid
[03:31:00] <Wolf_Mill> $318 for all 3... dont think I did too bad
[03:31:12] <PetefromTn_> shit no the interapid alone is that much
[03:31:23] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: though it once glitched and it was at umm 5.3 inches at zero position
[03:31:32] <XXCoder> just didnt see how that could happen lol
[03:31:41] <Wolf_Mill> magnets
[03:31:56] <XXCoder> chinese special lol
[03:31:57] <Wolf_Mill> or metal things, just right on them will cause odd stiff
[03:32:07] <PetefromTn_> easy just hit zero accidentally
[03:32:07] <Wolf_Mill> or if the batt is low
[03:32:08] <furrywolf> my chinese ones start glitching more as the battery goes dead, eventually becoming completely random
[03:32:10] <Contract_Pilot> what FB group Wolf?
[03:32:32] <XXCoder> furrywolf: Wolf_Mill yeah battery is most likely. I hgave to zero it pretty often
[03:32:39] <furrywolf> they eat SR44 batteries every few months.
[03:33:03] <Wolf_Mill> Used Machinist tools For Sale < group
[03:33:09] <XXCoder> how fast do mitutyo ones use batteries?
[03:33:12] <Contract_Pilot> Batterys vs learning how to read a good scale!
[03:33:52] <Contract_Pilot> I am a member!
[03:34:17] <furrywolf> be sure to get SR44s. generic alkaline ones seem to last about a week. :)
[03:34:33] <PetefromTn_> I am in that group also
[03:35:22] <furrywolf> dunno. send me a mitutoyo one and I'll let you know how it works out. :P
[03:35:24] <Contract_Pilot> Analog all the way!
[03:36:34] <Wolf_Mill> my one HF calipers used the same battery for 4 years
[03:37:02] <XXCoder> mines at 6 months and still going
[03:37:08] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/0icCblR.jpg
[03:37:42] <Contract_Pilot> kid next door runs a machine cannot read a dial but supplies me with unlimited CNMG 432 inserts so i showed him how!
[03:38:11] <furrywolf> lol
[03:38:12] <XXCoder> Wolf_Mill: lol bit buly and defnitely not coolant proof
[03:38:17] <XXCoder> *bulky
[03:38:27] <Wolf_Mill> I learned how to read a mic 3 days ago
[03:38:40] <XXCoder> still figuring mic out
[03:38:56] <furrywolf> I can't remember when I learned to read dial or vernier... too many years ago.
[03:39:35] <Wolf_Mill> I learned the dial a long time ago, dad taught me when reloading
[03:39:52] <Tom_itx> i don't really care for my mic that has the vernier scale on the side for tenths
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[03:40:38] <Wolf_Mill> my mic is kinda old
http://i.imgur.com/GRfkcl7.jpg ...
[03:41:20] <zeeshan-mill> thank you TOM!!
[03:41:20] <Tom_itx> i have one like that as well
[03:41:22] <zeeshan-mill> G10 L2 P1 X[#5221+incrementalvalue]
[03:41:24] <zeeshan-mill> will try this
[03:41:27] <Tom_itx> it works
[03:41:57] <zeeshan-mill> that i guess
[03:42:01] <zeeshan-mill> wont change the variable value
[03:42:04] <zeeshan-mill> itll just offset
[03:42:12] <Tom_itx> it changes the variable
[03:42:14] <Tom_itx> i think
[03:42:17] <furrywolf> I know how to do a lot of things I don't remember learning. having a bad memory sucks.
[03:42:20] <Tom_itx> it's supposed to
[03:42:50] <Tom_itx> i couldn't verify that because i was using a sim
[03:43:26] <zeeshan-mill> gonna aply it manually to the program
[03:44:13] <Tom_itx> no subroutine?
[03:44:48] <PetefromTn_> GN8
[03:44:53] <zeeshan-mill> to the sub routine
[03:44:54] <zeeshan-mill> nite pete
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[03:53:17] <furrywolf> "A sophisticated software algorithm on certain Volkswagen vehicles detects when the car is undergoing official emissions testing, and turns full emissions controls on only during the test." LOL
[03:53:35] <XXCoder> indeed
[03:54:19] <Wolf_Mill> thats why the fuel milage is so good on them
[03:56:14] <zeeshan-mill> tom doesnt work
[03:56:14] <zeeshan-mill> :{
[03:56:25] <zeeshan-mill> N35 G10 L2 P1 X[#5221+2.625]
[03:56:25] <zeeshan-mill> N40 o0001 call
[03:56:31] <Tom_itx> does so!
[03:57:13] <zeeshan-mill> did it shift in axis for u?
[03:57:20] <Tom_itx> it did in the sim
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[03:57:37] <Tom_itx> it added the value to the X G54 offset
[03:57:51] <zeeshan-mill> do you need to call g54
[03:57:52] <zeeshan-mill> again after the offset shift
[03:57:59] <Tom_itx> probably
[03:58:13] <Tom_itx> it needs to re read it i would imagine
[03:58:43] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[03:59:05] <zeeshan-mill> doesnt do anything
[03:59:05] <zeeshan-mill> ;[
[03:59:09] <Wolf_Mill> seems to work here
[04:00:25] <Tom_itx> you could try storing the 2.625 in a var and adding it
[04:00:33] <Tom_itx> like: #31 = 2.625
[04:00:49] <zeeshan-mill> hm when i do it in mdi
[04:00:50] <zeeshan-mill> it works..
[04:00:56] <zeeshan-mill> but when i do it in my gcode it doesnt
[04:00:58] <zeeshan-mill> interesting!
[04:01:00] <Tom_itx> then G10 L2 X[#5221 + #31]
[04:01:31] <Tom_itx> or something like that
[04:01:46] <Tom_itx> gcode user vars start at #31
[04:02:39] <zeeshan-mill> it works in mdi
[04:02:51] <Tom_itx> i haven't used G10 much so i can't tell you the particulars about it
[04:03:05] <Wolf_Mill> hmm, works odd in mdi
[04:03:28] <Tom_itx> it _should_ work
[04:03:30] <zeeshan-mill> Wolf_, its backwards :D
[04:03:37] <Tom_itx> yeah
[04:03:40] <Tom_itx> i noticed that too
[04:03:50] <Tom_itx> add a value and it adds to the negative offset
[04:04:20] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[04:04:20] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[04:04:40] <zeeshan-mill> its right though
[04:04:43] <zeeshan-mill> it should work like that
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[04:05:03] <zeeshan-mill> like if youre at zero
[04:05:04] <Contract_Pilot> Ahhh bed time! another 10 hours at gun show made enough to secure mesa combo unless i spend it!
[04:05:09] <zeeshan-mill> and you wanna shift to the right by 2"
[04:05:12] <Tom_itx> yes
[04:05:21] <zeeshan-mill> then the original 0 will be at -2
[04:05:23] <zeeshan-mill> from yo
[04:05:24] <zeeshan-mill> you
[04:05:27] <zeeshan-mill> so its right
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[04:05:33] <Contract_Pilot> then pathe pilot config.
[04:05:51] <Contract_Pilot> Unless somone can bypass.
[04:06:32] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, i may try it on my mill tomorrow just to see if it changes the .var file variable
[04:06:40] <Tom_itx> it's supposed to i think
[04:07:22] <Tom_itx> look in the ini file directory for the .var file and see
[04:07:27] <Contract_Pilot> andypugh may figure a way to bypass.
[04:07:28] <zeeshan-mill> it will
[04:07:34] <zeeshan-mill> it changes
[04:07:37] <zeeshan-mill> my problem is with
[04:07:41] <zeeshan-mill> g90 / g91
[04:07:42] <Tom_itx> so it's gonna work for you?
[04:07:49] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[04:07:53] <Tom_itx> good
[04:07:54] <zeeshan-mill> but i need to figure out wtf is going on with this g91
[04:08:21] <Tom_itx> i use G90 most of the time
[04:08:36] <Tom_itx> that's offset from G54 zero i believe
[04:08:37] <Wolf_Mill> here is the odd part, did +50 from touch off at 0, shows g54 at 50, then did +10, show 11.969?
[04:08:50] <Tom_itx> G91 is incremental from the last point
[04:08:54] <Tom_itx> unless i'm mistaken
[04:09:58] <zeeshan-mill> ive had it for milling for tonight
[04:09:59] <zeeshan-mill> going upstairs :P
[04:10:04] <Tom_itx> hah
[04:10:07] <zeeshan-mill> will look at code
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[04:10:12] <Tom_itx> set it up for G90
[04:10:40] <Tom_itx> gnite
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[04:14:26] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, i don't use G91 much
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[04:28:07] <renesis> g91 is awesome for looped code
[04:29:23] <renesis> i still work in g90 and then switch in and out of g91 in the sub routines, strictly in g91 hurts
[04:29:31] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: you there?
[04:34:20] <Wolf_Mill> yo
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[04:45:26] <zeeshan> stil lthere?
[04:45:36] <Wolf_Mill> yeah lol
[04:45:38] <zeeshan> sorry was making some creme brulee
[04:45:43] <zeeshan> dude if you got linuxcnc open
[04:45:44] <zeeshan> can you do me a fav?
[04:45:48] <zeeshan> i forgot to do it
[04:45:56] <zeeshan> note down your X value for g54 in the dro
[04:45:59] <zeeshan> and then in mdi type
[04:46:11] <zeeshan> g10 l2 p1 [#5221+2]
[04:46:13] <zeeshan> tell me value
[04:46:25] <zeeshan> and then type g10 l2 p1 [#5221+2]
[04:46:27] <zeeshan> and tell me val
[04:46:32] * zeeshan is trying to fix post processor
[04:47:22] <Wolf_Mill> was at 1, now at 3
[04:48:10] <zeeshan> how about after the second type you type it?
[04:48:23] <Wolf_Mill> 5
[04:48:25] <zeeshan> damn it
[04:48:29] <zeeshan> so it does update the g54
[04:48:31] <Wolf_Mill> this is in g20
[04:48:33] <zeeshan> and it forgets the old value
[04:48:52] <Wolf_Mill> seems so
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[04:50:08] <Wolf_Mill> doesnt seem to work right in metric...
[04:50:25] <zeeshan> it might still be confused
[04:50:31] <zeeshan> like those values might be in inches
[04:51:34] <Wolf_Mill> must be
[04:53:08] <Wolf_Mill> re touch off at 1"/25.4mm do the +2, sets it to g54 3.0, another +2, 2.118 lol
[04:53:23] <Wolf_Mill> thats with G21 actice
[04:53:26] <Wolf_Mill> active
[04:53:48] <zeeshan> hoenstly i never mix metric w/ imperial
[04:53:56] <zeeshan> ill convert all metric to imperial in the code
[04:54:49] <zeeshan> fuck i need linuxcnc for windows
[04:54:52] <zeeshan> so i can test the code
[04:55:03] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, most of the stuff for the machines and RC shit I code in metic, everything else is inch
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[05:12:28] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/user/yetipc1/videos
[05:12:32] <XXCoder> love that guy videos
[05:12:45] <XXCoder> look a one "what if saturn flew past the earth"
[05:13:08] <XXCoder> it ignores couple stuff, like saturn gravity would have moved earth an one other factor
[05:13:14] <XXCoder> but awesome nevertheless
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[05:25:26] <Jymmm> Think they'll honor it?
http://imgur.com/qtcPipR
[05:26:18] <XXCoder> no expire date
[05:27:38] <Jymmm> Valid address too
[05:27:58] <Jymmm> https://goo.gl/maps/3CAEEKw8Sfp
[05:30:23] <XXCoder> but is it still snapon
[05:30:47] <renesis> it has a p/n so they prob dont have too
[05:31:11] <renesis> unless they still stock V-807K
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[05:31:50] <renesis> yeah that catalog page is the only thing that pops upwhen you google for it \
[05:32:11] <XXCoder> quite old then
[05:32:51] <renesis> 50s popular mechanics ad
[05:33:04] <Jymmm> http://vintagesnapon.com/catalogs/catalogs-large/1955_Catalog_V/1955-Catalog-V-p051.jpg
[05:34:03] <XXCoder> Wolf_Mill: that you?
http://www.optipess.com/comics/2013-03-22-438_Moon-Revenge.png
[05:36:01] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-on-3-8-4-Way-Angle-Offset-Open-End-Wrench-V5212-G4-/252055239627
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[05:40:45] <zeeshan> hopefully i can simulate on it :P
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[05:54:34] <sadara> If you could have any feature in a CNC controller, what would it be?
[05:55:34] <Jymmm> beer delivery
[05:55:43] <XXCoder> lead to gold conversion
[05:57:03] <sadara> not unlimited wishes?
[05:57:46] <XXCoder> easy way round 3 wish limit rule - wish for more genies
[05:58:06] <sadara> lol
[05:58:12] <sadara> Never though of that
[05:58:16] <Wolf_Mill> haha
[05:59:09] <XXCoder> seriously my first wish would be this
[05:59:14] <Jymmm> Rock Solid, intuitive, inexpensive, beer dispensing, tool changing,
[05:59:25] <Jymmm> cheao
[05:59:31] <Jymmm> cheap*
[05:59:40] <XXCoder> "I wish I can build an working machine for any idea I have, period"
[05:59:49] <XXCoder> second and thirs wish would be useless
[06:00:03] <sadara> I've just been asked to design a new CNC controller for the upper end of the hobbiest market
[06:00:25] <XXCoder> since I can build machine for anything I want. though maybe second wish is "I can get fund to do anything I want."
[06:00:27] * Jymmm hands XXCoder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC1ZKLgqOY0
[06:00:37] <sadara> I have a couple of ideas, but I want some feedback from the community
[06:00:42] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Your very own factory =)
[06:00:51] <XXCoder> Jymmm: very true
[06:01:03] <XXCoder> first two wishes cover everything though
[06:01:25] <XXCoder> ah that video lol
[06:01:38] <sadara> The first questing, stepper or servo?
[06:01:46] <XXCoder> sadara: both has merits
[06:01:50] <Jymmm> Yeah, sorry bout that, 1st google search
[06:02:31] <Jymmm> they only have merits if YOU are paying for things =)
[06:02:34] <XXCoder> nah dont be sorry for good joke lol
[06:02:52] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Oh the joke is fine, just a really bad video
[06:03:01] <sadara> What if they were close to the same price?
[06:03:21] <XXCoder> sadara: maybe make sure it spports up to 5 axles
[06:03:30] <sadara> only 5?
[06:03:43] <XXCoder> upper end after all. well make it extendable
[06:04:06] <XXCoder> 5 built in but can add more
[06:04:16] <sadara> I was thinking 6 +spindle, and a couple of extra step dirs for a toolchanger
[06:04:37] <XXCoder> easy to access pins for whatever use
[06:05:07] <sadara> I could possible make a servo system for about the same cost as a stepper system
[06:05:22] <XXCoder> then offer both
[06:05:47] <sadara> I'm thinking of having the Servo drives as small plug-ing blades
[06:06:22] <sadara> would 750W servo drives be enough for hobbiests?
[06:06:42] <sadara> and what about the spindle? 2.2kw seems common?
[06:06:46] <XXCoder> good question
[06:07:12] <Wolf_Mill> diy options?
[06:07:13] <sadara> I'm trying to make this low cost as possible
[06:07:20] <sadara> Wolf_Mill, ?
[06:08:17] <sadara> I'm not sure that I would feel comfortable with hobbyiests making servo drive cards....
[06:08:39] <Wolf_Mill> why not, make it smd and just board + bom
[06:08:51] <Wolf_Mill> if they cant assemble it, they shouldnt be using it lol
[06:09:16] <sadara> I though you meant hobbyists designing them
[06:09:44] <Wolf_Mill> naa, that too much diy for me lol
[06:09:49] <sadara> I don't see why supplying the bare boards and a bag of components (with no warranty) would be a problem
[06:10:42] <sadara> or several options, bare boards, soldered boards with out headers, or fully assembled in a case would be an option
[06:10:54] <sadara> what about the User interface?
[06:10:54] <Wolf_Mill> depend on the board costs of course
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[06:12:03] <XXCoder> sadara: how would device be connected to computer?
[06:12:09] <XXCoder> serial is usual
[06:12:14] <sadara> serial = balls
[06:13:05] <sadara> What would be a reasonable price for a 5 axis controller, including 5x 750W Servo drives, 2.2kw spindle drive, 50 field inputs, 30 field outputs, 3 STEP DIR Outputs
[06:13:32] <sadara> XXCoder, I personally like ethernet
[06:13:44] <sadara> but usb would be another option
[06:14:00] <XXCoder> not bad, its quite fast and designed to go the distance without data loss
[06:14:05] <XXCoder> usb well it has latency
[06:14:18] <sadara> remember, I'm talking about a CNC Controller, not a interface
[06:14:27] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:14:33] <XXCoder> on price no idea either
[06:14:42] <sadara> ALL the work is done on the board, no computernecessary
[06:14:49] <XXCoder> ahh
[06:14:52] <XXCoder> in that case
[06:15:03] <XXCoder> support for displays of various types
[06:15:04] <sadara> you can plug a USB stick in with the GCODE
[06:15:20] <sadara> only HDMI/DVI I'm afraid
[06:15:26] <sadara> VGA adds to much cost
[06:15:38] <XXCoder> displayport, hdmi
[06:15:54] <Wolf_Mill> oh hell yeah, displayport <
[06:15:57] <XXCoder> usb display support too that ones easy
[06:16:10] <sadara> XXCoder, harder than you think
[06:16:15] <XXCoder> ok
[06:16:32] <Wolf_Mill> then you can get a abusemark board + ipad $40 lcd
[06:16:44] <sadara> What about a couple of 7 segment outputs for large LED displays
[06:17:00] <sadara> For DRO like functionality
[06:17:10] <XXCoder> I'd be impressed if you somehow figured a way to make it extensionable using additional axis daughterboard
[06:17:48] <sadara> XXCoder, It would probably be cheaper to just make it 9 axis + 3 spindle to begin with
[06:17:57] <XXCoder> possibily
[06:18:13] <sadara> then only add drives for the axis you need
[06:18:25] <Wolf_Mill> yeah scaleable is good
[06:18:57] <sadara> and also make 3 axis and 5 axis only boards that are the same as the 9 axis board, just missing the extra sockets
[06:19:12] <sadara> would anyone ever need more than 9 axis?
[06:19:20] <XXCoder> rare but possible
[06:19:26] <sadara> like a double hexapob?
[06:19:27] <XXCoder> I know of 13 axis machine
[06:19:38] <XXCoder> its a wire bender
[06:19:53] <Wolf_Mill> make them so you can chain them if needed
[06:19:55] <sadara> this is a commercial product, so I can't cater for everything
[06:19:59] <XXCoder> thats why extensionable is better
[06:20:26] <sadara> what about up to 9 servos, 3 spindles, and extensible stepper options?
[06:20:26] <XXCoder> make it so it has large socket on side or something and figure communcation protocol
[06:20:41] <XXCoder> past 5 axis is pretty uncommon
[06:20:56] <XXCoder> XYZAC usually is enough for nearly everything
[06:21:38] <sadara> I'm trying to do the servo drive in the primary FPGA, so adding servo drives would be expencive
[06:22:12] <sadara> Don't hold me to this, but I'mm looking at around $40 pre 750W servo card
[06:22:23] <sadara> *pre = per
[06:22:24] <XXCoder> thats not bad
[06:22:40] <Wolf_Mill> BLDC? or just DC
[06:22:47] <sadara> scoff
[06:23:00] <sadara> Wolf_Mill, did you really just ask that?
[06:23:26] <XXCoder> wouldnt know difference between bldc and dc
[06:23:27] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, but I'm still a noob to this stuff
[06:23:39] <sadara> sorry
[06:24:03] <Wolf_Mill> but I have 3, 3 phase BLDC servos sitting in a box
[06:24:11] <Wolf_Mill> with no drivers
[06:24:13] <sadara> BLDC = WTF. brushed = very, very, very, very bad.
[06:24:27] <sadara> Wolf_Mill, drives are usually very expencive
[06:25:02] <sadara> BLDC and PMSM AC servos are cheaper anyway
[06:25:06] <XXCoder> sadara: led display support would be awesome. mainly machine coordites, part coordites and distance to go
[06:25:29] * sadara agrees with XXCoder
[06:25:43] <XXCoder> pendant
[06:25:48] <sadara> It surprises me that it is not more common
[06:25:54] <sadara> XXCoder, wireless?
[06:26:11] <XXCoder> either actually sometimes wireless is better if its big machine
[06:26:20] <XXCoder> while my tiny router its kinda pointless
[06:26:23] <sadara> wireless is cheaper
[06:26:41] <XXCoder> weird since pendants I see out there wireless is bit more pricy
[06:27:01] <Wolf_Mill> cause people will pay $$ for the wireless
[06:27:01] <sadara> yeah, that not because of the build costs, trust me
[06:27:22] <XXCoder> wireless it is I guess.
[06:27:31] <Wolf_Mill> somethign like hoperf modules?
[06:27:48] <sadara> maybe not that extreme
[06:28:02] <XXCoder> as minium, 1x, 10x, 100x, and display for current axis and buttons to change that, and clicky wheel
[06:28:06] <Wolf_Mill> they are like $6
[06:28:29] <sadara> that is pretty expencive
[06:28:44] <Wolf_Mill> true, there is way cheaper things
[06:29:08] <sadara> I would be looking at a slower, more durable signal device
[06:29:24] <XXCoder> knob would be best for axis and multipler selection but not sure how it'd work with 9 axis or extensionable stuff
[06:30:14] <sadara> A MPG with a LED display for the selected axis would be easy
[06:30:36] <sadara> Would you want to be able to edit the GCODE on the machine?
[06:30:47] <sadara> ie, keyboard
[06:30:52] <XXCoder> sometimes yeah as code could be problemic
[06:31:05] <XXCoder> usb keyboard support is quite standard
[06:31:18] <XXCoder> and some navigation buttons
[06:32:49] <sadara> would you want pathing on screen? Like with linux emc "Axis" interface
[06:35:13] <Wolf_Mill> live or just the code pathing?
[06:36:07] <sadara> what would you want?
[06:37:45] <Wolf_Mill> well, from noob point of view, the code pathing is very useful (like if you cam stuff with the cords fucked up) I dont get too much from live pathing but I guess its nice
[06:39:21] <sadara> is 2d ok? with top, left and right ok? or do you need full 3d?
[06:39:40] <Wolf_Mill> 2d works
[06:40:32] <XXCoder> 3 plano views as well as that down one of corner view for better 3d visualizion
[06:40:43] <Wolf_Mill> I cammed something with the y flipped somehow, didnt notice till I loaded the code and all the stuff was on the wrong side of the origin
[06:41:19] <sadara> agreed, I use it a lot for making sure I'm not going to hit my clamps
[06:43:55] <sadara> Would extensible thermister/analog inputs be worth while (for 3d printers)?
[06:44:41] <XXCoder> like I said plenty of pins would be nice.
[06:44:46] <XXCoder> various input or outputs
[06:45:19] <sadara> analog io is different to digital IOs
[06:45:58] <XXCoder> ah dunno about that then :)
[06:50:10] <Wolf_Mill> couple/few analog might be handy
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[06:52:35] <Deejay> moin
[06:53:08] <sadara> current topic of convo is what you would want in a CNC controller board
[06:56:56] <renesis> laser turrents
[06:57:27] <Wolf_Mill> torch height control or some way to interface one?
[06:59:14] <MacGalempsy> setp?
[07:01:37] <sadara> Wolf_Mill, would support for something like this suffice?
http://www.mesanet.com/aiodaughter.html THCAD High isolation A-D accessory
[07:01:54] <sadara> renesis, what is needed to support a laser turret?
[07:02:13] <sadara> Wolf_Mill, Scroll to bottom of page
[07:03:10] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, probably
[07:03:21] <sadara> renesis, auto targeting?
[07:03:23] <sadara> :P
[07:06:09] <renesis> i guess
[07:06:25] <renesis> i would prefer little housings with doors that have big X's on them
[07:06:52] <renesis> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d5/81/d0/d581d07adee49e04f0ed9245cb8fcd2a.jpg
[07:06:55] <renesis> like those
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[07:07:27] <renesis> http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110214075644/redfaction/images/7/78/MissileTank.jpg
[07:07:30] <sadara> but those are for rockets, not lasers
[07:07:30] <renesis> those are cool
[07:07:59] <renesis> yeah but those are regular mecha and tanks not cnc machines
[07:14:01] <sadara> I'm talking about just the control side :)
[07:14:36] <renesis> right i think the controller should have laser turrets that go into housings with doors that have cool stamped designs in them
[07:14:58] <renesis> maybe put them next to the e-stop flasher
[07:15:20] <renesis> you can do an upgrade that has gatling lasers
[07:16:10] <renesis> does you thing have ultra bright LED estop flasher and an alarm that goes like EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIII?
[07:18:37] <XXCoder> lol
[07:21:41] <archivist> sadara, why reinvent the wheel, I want what linuxcnc has (and more)
[07:23:09] <sadara> archivist, for a couple of reasons
[07:23:17] <sadara> one, I'm been payed to do it... :)
[07:24:21] <sadara> two, linux CNC doesn't make servos an affordable option
[07:26:15] <sadara> archivist, what about the "(and more)" ???
[07:26:21] <archivist> sure it does, you can use a servo off a parallel port
[07:26:54] <sadara> My parallel port doesn't have that kind of current
[07:28:08] <MacGalempsy> ok. got the hall effect detectors tested and operational, hooked to the mesa card. now time for a little test
[07:30:12] <archivist> sadara, you drive an h bridge
[07:31:18] <sadara> directly from you PPort?
[07:32:42] <archivist> I am trying to find the old link that shows an example
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[07:35:58] <archivist> this is the pcb for it I think
http://emergent.unpythonic.net/projects/01148303608
[07:38:17] <sadara> you still an ac to dc convertor
[07:38:57] <sadara> and that is for small brushed servos
[07:39:47] <BuildSmart> you could essential swap out the l298 for 4 fets and remove the low voltage/current limitations and get better results.
[07:40:37] <sadara> but you would still need isolation, and the PPort would be acurate enough to set dead times for any reasonable speed
[07:41:01] <sadara> It is a good solution for small brushed servo though
[07:41:21] <sadara> it doesn't provide feed back though
[07:41:24] <archivist> the hard part is reading encoders and resolvers
[07:41:32] <sadara> yeah
[07:41:52] <sadara> and keeping your servo positions locked to the encoders
[07:41:57] <archivist> add fpga (mesa card)
[07:42:10] <sadara> lol, that is what I said
[07:42:27] <archivist> linuxcnc can deal with bldc too
[07:42:34] <sadara> What I'm describing is kinda like the linuxemc / mesa solution
[07:43:09] <sadara> except putting the computer on the same board as the FPGA, and adding in the Servo drives as sell
[07:43:10] <BuildSmart> look at the characteristics of the NDP6060L, these have a very low restances and generate almost no heat, I use them to run a 5A 48V DC servo and no heatsink
[07:45:26] <archivist> sadara, remember lots of machines are retrofits and are a mixture of drives and technology
[07:45:49] <archivist> one size does not fit all
[07:47:16] <sadara> yeah, that is the problem
[07:48:29] <archivist> geared axes are important to some of us
[07:49:50] <archivist> I have a hobbing machine running linuxcnc
[07:49:58] <sadara> The solution I am proposing would have 3, 5 or 9 card slots to take stepper or servo drives
[07:50:52] <archivist> most use the right stepper driver or servo driver to suit their motors, not a generic one
[07:52:03] <sadara> the card options would be something like 1, 5, or 10 amp stepper drive cards, 100w, 400w, 750w, or 2.2 kw Brushless AC (PMSM ) servo drive cards
[07:52:26] <sadara> archivist, what do you mean "suit their motors" ?
[07:52:33] <archivist> plenty use brushed servos
[07:53:22] <sadara> I could add brushed servo drive cards in the future, but we are exploring the option of providing low cost servos
[07:53:40] <sadara> IMHO that would be a better solution for most
[07:53:57] <archivist> "low cost" is the one already on a machine
[07:54:10] <sadara> you could always add a Brushed servo drive, or external stepper drive
[07:54:20] <sadara> just not internally
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[07:55:01] <archivist> so my hobbing machine uses a vfd to drive it original fixed speed induction motor
[07:55:40] <sadara> A Brushless AC drive is also known as a invertor VFD
[07:56:26] <sadara> the idea is that if you are converting a machine, you could interface to the existion drives
[07:57:14] <archivist> I did mine without a mesa card, it is all on the parallel port
[07:57:43] <sadara> but if it is a new machine, you can purchase new/second hand servos and use cheaper "drive cards" rather than external drives
[07:57:56] <anomynous> how much would it cost to convert a 5 meters long manual lathe into cnc lathe? ;D
[07:58:01] <sadara> archivist, what sort of results do you get? speed wise i mean
[07:58:21] <archivist> sadara, I have to stay inside the ports speed limits
[07:58:46] <archivist> anomynous, as much as you want to spend :)
[07:59:18] <anomynous> archivist, so it'd be usable. As much as you can spend = mazak integrex custom made super long version
[07:59:28] <sadara> anomynous, length doesn't effect price if your not replacing the screws
[07:59:34] <archivist> my cnc lathe was retrofitted with an old PC, that was the total cost
[08:00:06] <sadara> anomynous, could I interist you in a cheap sero solution? ;)
[08:00:13] <archivist> it already had stepper drives and ball screws
[08:00:29] <sadara> anomynous, do you know what a stepper motor is?
[08:00:29] <anomynous> sure, but im in no position to buy anything ;)
[08:01:05] <sadara> 5 meters long manual lathe
[08:01:28] <archivist> you can use original screw and write unidirectional gcode to avoid backlash problems
[08:01:47] <sadara> or just live with the backlash comp
[08:02:00] <archivist> linuxcnc can also map the screw error to improve it
[08:02:23] <sadara> anomynous, at the _absolute_ minimum, I would guess $300
[08:02:29] <anomynous> lol
[08:02:36] <anomynous> work and everything included ;)
[08:03:38] <sadara> sure, if you work for free
[08:03:49] <fenn> sadara what you are building sounds really useful
[08:04:03] <archivist> and costly of your time
[08:04:29] <fenn> would the controller box have something like a beaglebone in it to do motion control?
[08:04:50] <fenn> or is it an accessory to a computer that just runs the servo motors
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[08:05:39] <sadara> kinda
[08:05:46] <sadara> not a beagle bone
[08:05:47] <fenn> if it has the computer built in, i'd rather it ran linuxCNC or is capable of doing so
[08:06:05] <sadara> linux cnc is not really a good fit
[08:06:09] <fenn> why not?
[08:06:15] <archivist> its the best fit
[08:06:51] <sadara> not in this case, parts of it are, like the path planner and gcode loader
[08:07:09] <sadara> It would be possible
[08:07:16] <archivist> how could you come in here saying linuxcnc is not a good fit
[08:07:21] <fenn> hah
[08:07:26] <sadara> I could use an OMAP like the BBone or RPI
[08:07:43] <fenn> right
[08:07:57] <sadara> but that would push the price up a lot
[08:08:24] <sadara> I was asking in here because everyone here is part of the CNC community
[08:08:26] <anomynous> sadara, i can't do it nor i have time to start learning ;) I'm curious about how much would it cost when someone was hired to do it. Have computer or whatever for control, mount the things and all electronics and servo motors to drive screws.
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[08:08:29] <archivist> since when has a second hand pc cost a lot
[08:09:24] <fenn> i'd like to see a simple board that connects over ethernet to a PC or laptop running linuxcnc, and can interpret high speed encoder signals from servos, and output +-10V analog servo drive control signals
[08:09:34] <sadara> archivist, how many boards are there out there that interface mach3 or emc to servo drives?
[08:09:47] <BuildSmart> why would you need linux if you have a standalone IEEE-RS274 compliant controller?
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[08:09:57] <sadara> fenn, look at the MESA 7i77e
[08:10:08] <fenn> sadara: you might not be aware that these exist,
http://pico-systems.com/motion.html
[08:10:10] <archivist> sadara, many can, just use step dir server drives
[08:10:49] <sadara> that is my point, making another of those would just be reinventing the wheel
[08:11:32] <fenn> yuck
[08:11:47] <fenn> step servo, what the hell is that
[08:12:07] <sadara> another option would be to make my soltion without the onboard CNC controller, and then interface it over Ethernet to LinuxCNC
[08:12:08] <BuildSmart> those are brainless devices still requiring Mach3, ECM2 or some other software.
[08:12:12] <archivist> what most mack users use
[08:12:32] <sadara> step/dir servo is pointless
[08:12:52] <archivist> I know, plenty use them though
[08:13:04] <sadara> you need feedback to the pather to take advantages of servos
[08:13:20] <BuildSmart> archivist, you mean you would sacrifice a real RS274 system to use Mach3 or ECM2???
[08:13:43] <fenn> it's EMC2 (or was)
[08:14:00] <BuildSmart> dislexic fingers
[08:14:16] <BuildSmart> LinuxCNC
[08:14:49] <fenn> anyway, rs274-D or rs274-X is designed for exposing circuit board masks, not machining
[08:15:24] <sadara> RS274 = gcode
[08:15:32] <fenn> not so simple, unfortunately
[08:15:45] <sadara> ok RS274NGC then
[08:16:03] <sadara> or FANUC RS274
[08:16:23] <fenn> NIST was tasked with straightening out all the mishmash of g-code dialects in the wild, and they came up with RS274-NGC, and made a reference implementation which now 20 years later is called LinuxCNC
[08:16:37] <sadara> correct
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[08:17:23] <BuildSmart> EMC2/LinuxCNC is not the full implementation
[08:17:58] <fenn> linuxcnc has added to the language over the years, either extending the standard or creating a new dialect, depending on your perspective
[08:18:14] <sadara> Technically, the very first version of EMC2 by definition IS the specification for RS274
[08:18:32] <fenn> no, the specification is in the manual(?)
[08:18:55] <fenn> or maybe there is some other document i am not aware of
[08:19:08] <MacGalempsy> its too bad most linuxcnc videos on youtube are people using it, not setting it up
[08:19:34] <fenn> anyway it's academic because nobody uses rs274-ngc except linuxcnc and related software
[08:19:44] <sadara> NIST Stated that the EMC code was the over-riding factor in a discrepancy between the ref implementation and the written spec
[08:20:04] <archivist> sadara, step dir servos tak the encoder direct
[08:20:05] <fenn> huh ok
[08:21:32] <sadara> archivist, that is bad
[08:21:59] <sadara> archivist, not a good thing
[08:22:26] <archivist> so do other types, so you should rethink your biases
[08:22:29] <sadara> It means the pather can't recalculate to compensate for an out of position axis
[08:22:45] <sadara> archivist, I'm not been biased
[08:23:05] <archivist> with some the encoder goes to the servo and linuxcnc
[08:23:26] <fenn> anyway, as for "why would you want linuxcnc instead of some other rs274 controller" there are a lot of features that may or may not be relevant, such as weird kinematics, adaptive feed rate, path preview, constant surface speed, threading, probing, easy access to files on the web or LAN, and many other features
[08:23:42] <archivist> you said linuxcnc is not a good fit, I see bias
[08:24:01] <sadara> sorry, you mis-understood
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[08:24:45] <archivist> it an unfortunate statement to make in a linuxcnc channel
[08:24:47] <sadara> I'm saying that if I make an embedded board, with say a STM32 microcontroller and an FPGA, EMC would not be a good fit
[08:25:29] <fenn> i would agree with that
[08:25:36] <archivist> you have to rewrite so much that it is too costly, that has to be amortised in the board cost
[08:25:46] <sadara> but a lot of the EMC code would be a good fit
[08:25:46] <fenn> i'm hoping you'll spend the extra $10 on an ARM chip that can run linuxcnc
[08:26:05] <sadara> fenn, I wouldn't do it like that
[08:26:45] <sadara> I would just give ppl the option of buying the board without the controller, so they could add a BBone or RPI themselves
[08:27:13] <fenn> so it's a beaglebone shield now?
[08:27:24] <sadara> no
[08:27:37] <sadara> it woulh have to communicat over ethernet
[08:27:38] <archivist> yes
[08:27:51] <sadara> you could use whaterver device you wanted
[08:28:17] <fenn> ok
[08:28:22] <Wolf_> right now this is a concept so it can do anything it wants :P
[08:28:28] <archivist> you know linuxcnc can control over ethernet now?
[08:28:54] <sadara> archivist, yes
[08:29:17] <fenn> there are a few limitations however:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/hm2_eth.9.html
[08:29:20] <sadara> archivist, I even have a mesa 7i77e right here
[08:29:49] <fenn> having a dedicated link means you need some other way to access the internet etc
[08:30:01] <kengu> i will get a 9 year old laser cutter with presumambly fried control electronics.
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[08:30:19] <kengu> should be a nice platform for one more linuxcnc build
[08:30:25] <XXCoder> kengu: yeah
[08:31:35] <sadara> fenn, I prefer to tink of the ethernet link as an alternitive to RS232
[08:31:56] <sadara> then adding a secnd network adapter doesn't sound like a bad thing
[08:32:12] <fenn> using 192.168.1/24 for a weirdo machine control system is kinda dumb i think, since 90% of the LAN in the US use the same address space
[08:32:35] <kengu> might need to get a new co2 tube though as the owner said it is original tube and perhaps lost power.. but we will see
[08:32:36] <sadara> I though it was ethernet
[08:33:35] <fenn> oh i was just complaining about default address values
[08:34:18] <fenn> you don't want to plug it into a switch with other traffic going through because you can get packet collisions
[08:34:19] <sadara> I gues it stops ppl from pluging it into there lan
[08:34:39] <fenn> or.. something
[08:34:41] <archivist> you are confusing the unroutable block with the internet
[08:34:51] * fenn thought switches were supposed to prevent packet collisions...
[08:35:52] <archivist> you get queues in interfaces too such that a separate card is a good idea
[08:36:08] <fenn> archivist if your machine has 2 network interfaces, one for the CNC controller and one for the internet, and they have the same address, something bad happens
[08:36:31] <archivist> no idiot would do that
[08:36:46] <fenn> what would forrest gump do
[08:36:56] <sadara> fenn, you don't need an IP configured on the computers network card
[08:37:18] <sadara> it is ETHERNET, not IP over ETHERNET
[08:37:31] <sadara> I have no idea why the device have an IP
[08:37:43] <sadara> It might be for debug or flash upgrades
[08:37:58] <renesis> wot
[08:38:24] <renesis> you like, rewrote ethernet firmware and drivers from scratch or something?
[08:38:43] <sadara> renesis, acutally, they did
[08:38:54] <sadara> that is why only 5 devices are supported
[08:38:58] <sadara> AFAIK the device uses ethernet frames, not IP
[08:39:45] <fenn> do you know why that was necessary? is IP not deterministic?
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[08:40:03] <fenn> it's not that much overhead
[08:40:22] <sadara> but id does add a lot of code and processing
[08:42:27] <sadara> I'm only 90% sure on the btw
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[08:43:57] <fenn> what does 7i77e do exactly? is it a daughtercard like the 7i77 or does it have an FPGA on it too?
[08:44:12] <sadara_afk> it has an ethernet interface and an FPGA
[08:44:21] <sadara_afk> look at the 7i76e
[08:44:52] <sadara_afk> that is a 5axis stepper board with a FPGA on it
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[10:28:31] <fenn> sadara you might want to consider how to approach a machine with both a rotary encoder on the motor and linear scale encoder on the ways
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[10:38:28] <sadara> fenn, why so?
[10:39:04] <sadara> short of a laser interferometer, I'm not sure what the advantage of that would be
[10:40:19] <fenn> a lot of machines have this, it's because ballscrews heat up in use and expand, but you want to measure the actual part position
[10:40:28] <archivist> because linear scales are often used
[10:40:44] <fenn> it would use up a lot of encoder inputs
[10:41:07] <sadara> You wouldn't need the rotary encoders then
[10:41:10] <fenn> i think linear scales are slower than rotary ones so maybe you can cheat and use gpio
[10:41:24] <sadara> linear scales are the same speed
[10:41:28] <fenn> you need some kind of velocity feedback from the motors or they will spazz out
[10:41:33] <sadara> interferometers are up 100Mhz
[10:41:41] <archivist> use the encoder for velocity and the linear for position
[10:42:05] <fenn> a common arrangement is linear scales and analog tachometers on the motors
[10:42:07] <sadara> with an FPGA, you can use a linear for velocity and position
[10:42:50] <archivist> the point we are making is all are out there and used
[10:42:53] <sadara> fenn, why not just use feedback from the drive for motor position
[10:43:14] <sadara> the drive always knows the approx position of the motor
[10:43:23] <sadara> to say 5 degrees
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[10:43:35] <fenn> there is a slight amount of stretch or backlash between the motor and the moving part (table or knee etc) which causes the motor to "wind up" and store energy as rotational inertia
[10:43:56] <sadara> yes
[10:44:20] <sadara> but that would usually be compensated for in your motor tuning
[10:44:21] <fenn> if the servo drive doesn't know the position of the motor within this small band, it bounces back and forth violently between the ends of the band
[10:44:35] <fenn> you can't tune it out because the drive doesn't have any information about it
[10:44:54] <fenn> well, unless it does
[10:45:04] <fenn> if you put a tachometer or encoder on the motor, then it knows the position of the motor
[10:45:50] <sadara> a tach usually only is accurate to 5-45 deg
[10:46:06] <fenn> um, velocity
[10:46:31] <sadara> the drive knows the velosity
[10:46:32] <archivist> a tach is velocity feedback not position
[10:46:41] <fenn> how does the drive know the velocity?
[10:47:10] <sadara> the drive rotates the mag field around the rotor
[10:47:15] <archivist> the drive is clueless about velocity without feedback
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[10:47:48] <sadara> the drive can use feedback without a tacho
[10:48:18] <sadara> or an encoder
[10:48:21] <sadara> google sensorless feedback servo
[10:48:32] <fenn> you're talking about sensing back-EMF right?
[10:48:47] <sadara> yes, that is a primative type
[10:49:01] <sadara> I'm talking more about Flux vector control
[10:49:26] <sadara> Or FOC
[10:49:42] <sadara> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_control_(motor)
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[13:45:23] <Contract_Pilot> Morning, playing with path pilot for a bit this morning. left alt + shit at tormach screen gives desktop. Not to edit it to disable mesa card will be intresting.
[13:47:29] <Contract_Pilot> But backup iso is made.
[13:47:55] <os1r1s> Contract_Pilot: What's the main advantage of it vs axis?
[13:48:14] <Contract_Pilot> the GUI
[13:49:09] <Contract_Pilot> Until mesa has the combo's in stock i will be using LPT to my PMDX 126
[13:49:43] <Contract_Pilot> But have to chat later as i have to go to the gun show i am a vendor.
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[14:25:18] <malcom2073> os1r1s: And I believe it has conversational modes
[14:26:13] <pcw_home> the "features" add-on does much of the same things
[14:32:41] <pcw_home> maybe even more (take a look at the arc engraving)
[14:32:42] <pcw_home> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/40-subroutines-and-ngcgui/26578-linuxcnc-features-a-kind-of-ngcgui?start=240#62632
[14:34:14] <Contract_Pilot> Just not as use friendly.
[14:35:06] <malcom2073> User-friendly is a multi-billion doller market :P
[14:35:17] <malcom2073> Doller really, dollar* wow
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[14:40:47] <Tom_itx> pick A B or C
[14:40:48] <Tom_itx> :)
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[14:41:44] <skunkworks> pcw_home: you have some sort of stand alone pwm->analog converter iirc?
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[16:08:05] <zeeshan> ;morning all
[16:08:07] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: halp!!!!!!!!!
[16:08:21] <zeeshan> so i got my rpi 2 working with linuxcnc
[16:08:24] <zeeshan> for simulation purposes
[16:08:41] <t12> lol
[16:08:42] <t12> rea
[16:08:51] <t12> get a real computer!
[16:08:51] <Jymmm> I have SO many receipts from doin a rear brake job + replacing the axle seal + borrowing tools, I can't tell how much it actually cost me! lol
[16:08:54] <zeeshan> no
[16:08:58] <zeeshan> its only for simulation
[16:09:01] <zeeshan> i leave my rpi 2 on all the time
[16:09:04] <zeeshan> and remote into it
[16:09:09] <zeeshan> its my programming environment
[16:09:09] <Jymmm> no you don't =)
[16:09:13] <t12> reeeeeal computer
[16:09:28] <zeeshan> whats wrong with rpi2
[16:09:59] <t12> linuxcnc simulation, it seems!
[16:10:06] <zeeshan> ??
[16:10:08] <zeeshan> it works fine
[16:10:11] <zeeshan> i dont need halp with
[16:10:14] * Jymmm snickers
[16:10:15] <t12> ooh
[16:10:19] <zeeshan> i need help with this subroutine shit
[16:10:23] <zeeshan> its not working right
[16:10:27] <t12> hah i misread sry
[16:10:39] <t12> statement stands re real computer tho!
[16:10:50] <zeeshan> i have a real computer
[16:10:57] <t12> im just arm prejudiced i think
[16:11:00] <zeeshan> i'd never run linux on it though
[16:11:10] <zeeshan> cause my daily software is not supported in linux
[16:11:11] <Jymmm> t12++
[16:11:14] <zeeshan> otherwise i'd run linux all the time!
[16:11:21] <Jymmm> virtual machine
[16:11:32] <Jymmm> runs GREAT under linux
[16:11:43] <zeeshan> you dont run resource hogging software then
[16:11:44] <zeeshan> :P
[16:11:51] <zeeshan> you'd see how shitty is runs!!
[16:12:08] <Jymmm> Not if you had a REAL computer =)
[16:12:25] <zeeshan> Jymmm: we can argue all day long
[16:12:35] <Jymmm> and you would lose
[16:12:36] <zeeshan> but we've known each other to know that theres no winning against zeeshan
[16:12:37] <zeeshan> :)
[16:14:03] <MrSunshine> everything you say is mute .. i win .. i always win!
[16:14:28] <zeeshan> :]
[16:14:35] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: Care to put cash on that?
[16:14:45] <Jymmm> via payapl
[16:14:48] <pcw_home> Contract_Pilot: I would say Path-pilot is a lot less user friendly in terms getting help and adapting to different machines
[16:14:52] <MrSunshine> haha no ...
[16:14:56] <MrSunshine> but fact still stands
[16:15:08] <Jymmm> s/fact/fiction/
[16:16:00] <MrSunshine> hmm, that wont replace anything will it ?
[16:17:13] <MrSunshine> doesnt it have to be a g on the end there? :P
[16:18:10] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, now what!!
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[16:21:42] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: got simulkator open?
[16:22:11] <Tom_itx> nope
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[16:23:57] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/ngcgui.html#_single_file_gcode_ngc_subroutine_requirements
[16:24:48] <Tom_itx> post your main code.. not your sub
[16:24:59] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: it's definitely not to do w/ offsetting
[16:25:04] <zeeshan> its something with g90 and g91
[16:25:12] <zeeshan> like when i post the code without subroutines it works fine.
[16:25:23] <zeeshan> but when i ask cam to use subroutines it goes wacky
[16:25:27] <zeeshan> sec
[16:25:38] <Tom_itx> don't use your friggin cam for the sub
[16:27:44] <zeeshan> i want to man
[16:27:55] <zeeshan> i have a couple of repetitive jobs coming in the future
[16:28:00] <zeeshan> which require fixtures and stuff
[16:28:04] <Tom_itx> you're all done just put a wrapper around it
[16:28:04] <zeeshan> i wanna fix it now
[16:28:06] <zeeshan> learn it properly
[16:28:11] <Tom_itx> and keep the wrapper for the future
[16:28:16] <Tom_itx> easy peazy
[16:28:17] <zeeshan> rather than post the whole thing as a nasty massive code
[16:28:47] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/may0a1fm3ms9b09/op4_rev3.ngc?dl=0
[16:28:49] <zeeshan> try loading this up
[16:28:59] <zeeshan> when you go to the (main) body of the g-code
[16:29:12] <zeeshan> removing or adding [#5221- doesnt do anythning)
[16:29:15] <zeeshan> to the axis output
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[16:29:53] <zeeshan> like it's definitely not shifting right
[16:30:02] <zeeshan> but also it's shifting at a 45 degree angle from X and Y
[16:30:04] <zeeshan> not along X
[16:30:04] <zeeshan> hehe
[16:30:59] <Tom_itx> why are you using G91?
[16:31:54] <zeeshan> thats a good q
[16:32:08] <zeeshan> it should say g90
[16:32:08] <zeeshan> hmm
[16:32:12] <zeeshan> lemme change and try
[16:32:13] <Tom_itx> 99% of the time i use G90
[16:32:31] <Tom_itx> your post as output G91 code
[16:32:36] <Tom_itx> it's incremental
[16:33:53] <zeeshan> klemme output the post
[16:33:57] <zeeshan> w/ absolute coordinates only
[16:37:47] <zeeshan> w/ absolute output
[16:37:51] <zeeshan> it makes wayyy more subroutines
[16:37:57] <zeeshan> this thing is wacked out
[16:38:07] <zeeshan> it's not thinking it's shifting coordinates
[16:38:25] <Tom_L> post the original code, wrap it in a subroutine in a separate 01000 file and call it from a main gcode file
[16:38:41] <Tom_L> put your setup code in the main file
[16:39:02] <Tom_L> put all your tool etc in the sub
[16:39:52] <Tom_L> put the increment in a loop 3? times or 4 if you need 4
[16:40:02] <zeeshan> ok
[16:40:05] <zeeshan> lemme do it manually like that
[16:40:07] <zeeshan> and see what axis shows
[16:40:12] <Tom_L> increment after the endsub
[16:40:29] <Tom_L> and preset your first G54 offset values
[16:41:11] <Tom_L> i think all you need is: G10 L2 P1 X[#5221-2.625]
[16:41:18] <Tom_L> and loop that
[16:41:30] <Tom_L> after the endsub
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[16:41:53] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html#_looping
[16:42:46] <Tom_L> err repeat rather
[16:42:56] <Tom_L> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html#_repeat
[16:43:31] <zeeshan> im just gonna write a simple code
[16:43:32] <zeeshan> by hand
[16:43:33] <zeeshan> a circle
[16:43:35] <Tom_L> if you use repeat you may have to put the increment inside the sub at the end
[16:43:37] <zeeshan> put it in a subourtine
[16:43:42] <Tom_L> good idea
[16:43:45] <zeeshan> and try offsetting, and see if it even shows in axis..
[16:43:51] <zeeshan> cause i don't think it does
[16:43:52] <Tom_L> get the wrapper working then add your code
[16:44:27] <Tom_L> i'd put the code in a separate 01000.ngc file and call it
[16:44:55] <Tom_L> o1000 rather
[16:46:12] <Tom_L> o<myfile> sub
[16:46:12] <Tom_L> (code here)
[16:46:12] <Tom_L> o<myfile> endsub
[16:46:12] <Tom_L> M2
[16:46:18] <Tom_L> the code file wrapper
[16:47:07] <Tom_L> names are lower case
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[17:16:31] <Jymmm> Yeah, my lawn mower has a 4" duct... Oh wait, I dont have a lawn mower as I dont have a lawn...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFHlbhQ1IoA
[17:18:57] <furrywolf> I have a very small lawn, and a small lawnmower.
[17:21:13] <zeeshan> fuck
[17:21:29] <zeeshan> just as i am experimenitng with linuxcnc
[17:21:34] <zeeshan> i get pulled into another thing
[17:21:47] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you have something else very small
[17:21:53] <furrywolf> ?
[17:22:02] <zeeshan> A shop task!
[17:22:03] <zeeshan> :P
[17:22:13] * zeeshan is trolling the hater
[17:22:31] <furrywolf> the sherline is much smaller. :P
[17:24:00] <zeeshan> =D
[17:24:07] <zeeshan> you got a sherline mill or lathe?
[17:24:27] <furrywolf> both
[17:24:30] <furrywolf> mill is cnc, lathe is not.
[17:24:45] <zeeshan> ah
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[17:26:17] <Tom_L> zeeshan, did you get it?
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[17:27:25] <Tom_L> i don't know if this syntax is right but you can have a look:
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/zeeshan/
[17:27:35] <Tom_itx> i didn't load it
[17:27:38] <Tom_itx> need to leave
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[17:28:22] <zeeshan> tom
[17:28:25] <zeeshan> ok
[17:29:07] <zeeshan> i got it to work with a small circle snippet i wrote
[17:29:10] <zeeshan> but.............
[17:29:18] * furrywolf pokes around tom's kitchen for breakfast, now that he's not there to guard it
[17:29:29] <zeeshan> its acting a bit funny :P
[17:30:42] <Tom_itx> post your code somewhere
[17:30:50] <Tom_itx> i'll look when i get back
[17:31:01] <zeeshan> i got it to work
[17:31:02] <zeeshan> nm!!
[17:31:08] <zeeshan> now to implement it to actual code
[17:31:17] <Tom_itx> i'd still like to set it
[17:31:27] <Tom_itx> i don't do subs :D
[17:31:36] <jdh> N numbers offend me.
[17:31:49] <Tom_itx> oh poo
[17:32:36] * furrywolf tries to figure out what zee is trying to do
[17:33:10] <Tom_itx> loop 3 or 4 times incrementing the G54 X offset each time
[17:34:05] <furrywolf> but... this is zee we're talking about. he'd just import the model 5 times in his cad program and cam it that way. :P
[17:34:17] <zeeshan> haha
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[17:34:25] <zeeshan> i love visually looking
[17:34:25] <Tom_itx> so would i because it's quicker with cad cam
[17:34:35] <zeeshan> don't need to think as much
[17:34:46] <Tom_itx> and if it didn't fit in the control i'd DNC it
[17:35:12] <Tom_itx> and on to the next task
[17:42:37] <zeeshan> ty for the help
[17:44:41] <enleth> My issues with the TNC and the spindle interlock problems are getting funny. Everyhing works yet it claims there is a problem. It may end in me dumping the EPROMs to look into the firmware.
[17:48:44] <enleth> It's an 8085, nothing exotic, but there's a shitload of generic 74s all over the place to mux/demux the I/O boards. Tracing all of that could take some time.
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[17:50:13] <MacGalempsy> morning
[17:57:17] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: lol
[17:57:19] <zeeshan> i think i got it to work.
[17:57:21] <zeeshan> it was a cam setting.
[17:57:24] <zeeshan> that i wasn't selecting
[17:58:40] <furrywolf> http://grail.cs.washington.edu/projects/timelapse/ that's cool.
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[18:06:00] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: you getting back into geology?
[18:08:47] <archivist> methinks mass production
[18:12:04] <furrywolf> meh, I must be the only one here who likes image processing shinyness.
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[18:33:12] <malcom2073> So this person posts on freecycle a bunch of random stuff, I send them an email and say "Hey, sounds like you got a lot of stuff, mind if I come pick through it?" She replies back that there is a barn full of "treasures" I'm welcome to. Ought to be interesting
[18:35:59] <furrywolf> some people consider dead rats and moldy clothes to be treasures... :P
[18:41:46] <malcom2073> Heh
[18:41:47] <malcom2073> Prolly
[18:41:51] <malcom2073> Especially around here
[18:42:05] <malcom2073> They did list a craftsman lawn mower which I could use, and an electric chainsaw
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[18:45:54] <archivist> make sure you vehicle is empty except for rope to tie things on and planks to wheel stuff into the rear
[18:47:02] <archivist> I do love going out on a raid like that
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[18:49:09] <SpeedEvil> And sturdy bags.
[18:49:11] <furrywolf> I went on a drive a while ago to pick up a free drywall hoist... came back with a drywall hoist, a self-propelled lawnmower, a snap-on floor jack (a big one!), some worklights, two 10gal gas tanks with hoses and nozzles, a set of truck ramps,... :P
[18:49:14] <SpeedEvil> Always useful
[18:49:20] <malcom2073> I'm taking a flatbed car trailer heh
[18:49:25] <malcom2073> And lots of straps
[18:50:51] <furrywolf> lol
[18:52:54] <archivist> sometimes museums get an offer like take anything you like just before a demolition, you need a gang for that :)
[18:55:16] <furrywolf> my favorite is someone I know went to a craigslist-posted "cleaning up hoarders place" free stuff sale... they had 5 or 6 (don't remember) mobile homes on the property, packed solid. each time they filled one up to where they couldn't live in it, rather than cleaning it, they're get a new mobile home, park next to it, and move. then finish packing the last one solid. repeat.
[18:55:22] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: havent had time mate
[18:55:28] <zeeshan> till december im stupid busy
[18:55:35] <zeeshan> but this upcoming spring, will have time
[18:55:46] <zeeshan> i have like 6 jobs lined up right now
[18:55:50] <zeeshan> on top of full time work
[18:55:54] <zeeshan> no room to breathe :(
[18:56:05] <archivist> retire at 35?
[18:56:10] <zeeshan> like i said about a couple weeks ago, i want to pay off my house in a year
[18:56:13] <zeeshan> thats why im working hard
[18:56:22] <zeeshan> archivist: haha i wish
[18:56:29] <PetefromTn_> take me with you LOL
[18:56:34] <furrywolf> I want a house. :(
[18:56:49] <archivist> I want a bigger house/shed
[18:57:48] <SpeedEvil> archivist: just get a lot of 80x40
[18:57:53] <CaptHindsight> i want a 30 hour day
[18:58:16] <zeeshan> man
[18:58:25] <zeeshan> im making a piece for this turn table
[18:58:25] <zeeshan> http://www.musicdirect.com/p-7681-vpi-hrx-with-jmw-127-arm.aspx
[18:58:32] <zeeshan> guy wants me to modify and recreate one piece
[18:58:37] <zeeshan> i didnt know turn tables got this expensive
[18:58:38] <zeeshan> wtf
[18:58:41] <zeeshan> its just a thing that spins
[18:58:57] <CaptHindsight> I can make you an even more expensive one
[18:59:02] * furrywolf sells zee's customer a set of $50,000 speaker cables
[18:59:07] <CaptHindsight> more accurate as well
[18:59:14] <archivist> audiophools are out there to be fleeced
[18:59:20] <zeeshan> haha
[18:59:21] <zeeshan> dude
[18:59:24] <zeeshan> this guy's basement
[18:59:29] <zeeshan> has those > cones
[18:59:31] <zeeshan> all over it
[18:59:36] <zeeshan> hardcore audiophile
[18:59:42] <archivist> phool
[18:59:46] <zeeshan> haha i like that archivist
[18:59:49] <zeeshan> audiophool
[18:59:52] <CaptHindsight> maybe those are Canadian $
[19:00:05] <PetefromTn_> that is good work I think
[19:00:19] <zeeshan> i know this much
[19:00:21] <zeeshan> if i had 15k to blow
[19:00:27] <zeeshan> i'd be buying a crazy machine
[19:00:33] <zeeshan> not some dinky little turn table
[19:00:38] <CaptHindsight> "The HR-X drive system consists of two ultra-low powered motors on either side of a seven-pound, center-mounted flywheel that spins at 500RPM." pfftt
[19:00:44] <archivist> never mind the science it has "Golden Ear Award"
[19:00:48] <PetefromTn_> there are actually turn tables that are quite a bit more expensive
[19:01:00] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: its silly to me lol
[19:01:09] <archivist> it is just silly
[19:01:10] <PetefromTn_> ya know I used to feel the same way
[19:01:14] <zeeshan> but i guess its peoples taste
[19:01:17] <CaptHindsight> I can custom make anyone a turntable starting at $1M
[19:01:18] <zeeshan> at the end of the day..
[19:01:25] <PetefromTn_> people said I was crazy to want a 3k pellet rifle
[19:01:25] <CaptHindsight> pass the word
[19:01:37] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i'd spend that much on a rifle :P
[19:01:39] <PetefromTn_> but once I got one I was like HOLY CRAP
[19:01:48] <archivist> people who have excess money only feel right buying expensive stuff
[19:01:49] <PetefromTn_> now I want to build some
[19:01:55] <zeeshan> archivist: it's not about the money
[19:01:57] <zeeshan> this is this guys hobby
[19:02:00] <PetefromTn_> I always tell myself
[19:02:05] <zeeshan> _at least_ he has a hobby
[19:02:06] <CaptHindsight> oh and the turntable come with a DJ 24/7 for one full year
[19:02:06] <PetefromTn_> if there were not guys like that
[19:02:08] <zeeshan> and he's not selling drugs
[19:02:15] <zeeshan> or wasting his life doing nothing
[19:02:19] <PetefromTn_> guys like me would not have anything cool to make
[19:02:25] <zeeshan> i have full respect for people with some sort of thing going for them
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[19:02:26] <furrywolf> ... you can get a real gun for that much cash. a good one. or several. or like 60 mosins. :P
[19:02:47] <zeeshan> ofcourse there are people out there with more money than brains
[19:02:59] <zeeshan> like the ones that buy a tormach
[19:03:01] * zeeshan hides
[19:03:19] <PetefromTn_> I never feel that way anymore and the crazier the price tag on people's toys to me the more I realize there is some lucky bastard somewhere making them and making a good living
[19:03:20] <CaptHindsight> more money than free time
[19:03:25] <archivist> zeeshan, I used to work with audio, this expensive stuff is not better enough to justify the price
[19:03:31] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: nice way to think about it!
[19:04:03] <archivist> it is shiny though
[19:04:05] <PetefromTn_> the guys who want these badass RX7 cars for instance...they spend stupid money on building these cars
[19:04:13] <zeeshan> aesthetics are very important to some people
[19:04:14] <furrywolf> archivist: the worst part is... vinyl sounds like crap. :P
[19:04:20] <zeeshan> if that wasn't the case
[19:04:21] <archivist> people do polish turds
[19:04:21] <PetefromTn_> and if it were not for them the shop I am working in would not exist
[19:04:25] <zeeshan> some art pieces wouldn't cost 213903109318809328 $
[19:04:26] <furrywolf> don't mention that to audiophools though!
[19:04:41] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: yep
[19:04:44] <PetefromTn_> honestly I like vinyl too
[19:04:55] <CaptHindsight> I'll be happy to make most machine discussed here starting at $1M and I'll also include a skilled machinist for one year 24/7
[19:05:07] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: ill give you 1 peso
[19:05:07] <PetefromTn_> and have heard some really nice systems locally at the audiophile club meetings
[19:05:23] <archivist> it is not even parallel tracking like the machine that made the original pressing
[19:05:31] <furrywolf> let's say you buy a million dollar turntable... it'll (hopefully) do an excellent job reproducing the worn out, dusty grooves from some sun-hardened plastic stamped from a worn-out master 40 years ago that was made from a tape.
[19:05:32] <PetefromTn_> it is just another thing to play with and spend time with
[19:06:08] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: this isn't for cheapskates like you, it's for people that have more money than time or knowledge
[19:06:47] <PetefromTn_> there are LOTS of high end audio shops that cater to these people and make a good living. Is it wrong? I don't think so. they provide a service that is in demand whether other people think it is stupid or not
[19:06:50] <furrywolf> vinyl is cheap mass-produced media... you can't create quality that wasn't there to start with.
[19:07:13] <PetefromTn_> kinda like people who make stupid expensive Venus Demilo shaped vape pipes for people ;)
[19:07:32] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: unless the are blackmailed or forced at gunpoint to purchase them I don't see a problem
[19:07:37] <CaptHindsight> the/they
[19:07:47] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight that is exactly my point
[19:08:01] <archivist> willingly fleeced
[19:08:02] <PetefromTn_> the guys I make my rails for buy Scopes that cost in excess of $3k
[19:08:19] <PetefromTn_> I have seen/held/looked thru them and shot guns with them mounted
[19:08:23] <furrywolf> imho, by far the best place to spend your money for quality audio is on your speakers. nothing else, unless defective, chinese, or radio-shack, makes nearly as much difference.
[19:08:33] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: but there is a sunset of open hardware/software people that think that profit margins should have a limit
[19:08:36] <PetefromTn_> are they awesome.....yes....are they worth that much.....not to me
[19:09:08] <PetefromTn_> but that does not make me want to stop them from buying it or bitch about the guys selling them
[19:09:13] <CaptHindsight> I generally see ~25%, anything ore than that somehow becomes unethical
[19:09:24] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: lol
[19:09:36] <furrywolf> hrmm, rifles reminds me, I need to bring a 7.62x54 russian round to work tomorrow... someone was asking about them.
[19:09:42] <PetefromTn_> I think I have made my point
[19:09:47] <CaptHindsight> sunset/subset
[19:10:17] <archivist> we had an excess profits tax in the UK once upon a time
[19:10:24] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I want to get into making stuff for these kinds of people....might actually make some money around here then ;)
[19:10:58] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: you probably won't find them in here
[19:11:05] <furrywolf> I want to make new-age energy healing devices. :P
[19:11:07] <PetefromTn_> heh prolly not
[19:11:16] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[19:11:27] <PetefromTn_> yeah man I gotsta make da pyramids!
[19:11:45] <archivist> pet rocks
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[19:12:44] <CaptHindsight> yeah, we need to find a way to popularize the pet hunk of iron
[19:13:27] <PetefromTn_> no man my round lugs of aluminum that come out the bottom after I machine one of my wheels....THOSE are beaties and I hear have magical healing properties
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[19:14:05] <t12> i'm gonna try and make a sweet pet hunk of iron
[19:14:07] <furrywolf> see, to sell a $5000 turntable, it has to at least be capable of playing a record for people to buy it... but a $5000 healing device works no matter what it's made of.... :P
[19:14:09] <t12> of scraping in a 6" cast iron cube
[19:14:23] <PetefromTn_> rumor has it that if you put pocketfulls of aluminum chips in your pockets you will feel great all day long and inherit millions
[19:14:47] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: no, you have to pour acrylic around the aluminum chips, molding it into a pyramid shape.
[19:14:51] <CaptHindsight> are you certain, I heard it was copper :)
[19:14:59] <furrywolf> and, no, I'm not joking. that's an actual product. you can buy.
[19:15:08] <PetefromTn_> Hey man I got this hot glue gun
[19:15:13] <CaptHindsight> with crystals?
[19:15:29] <t12> i got the tiniest hammer at the fleamarket:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n358408pyxd51un/2015-09-20%2012.13.14.jpg?dl=0
[19:15:36] <t12> the tiny hammer collection grows
[19:15:39] <PetefromTn_> OK enough bullshitting gotta get some parts made here
[19:16:07] <furrywolf> http://mushroom.vezoora.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/O1.jpg
[19:16:16] <furrywolf> aluminum chips + rocks + used romex + acrylic = profit
[19:16:18] <t12> lol
[19:16:24] <t12> is that an ORGONE GENERATOR
[19:16:31] <archivist> t12, that is huge
[19:16:32] <furrywolf> yes. yes it is. :P
[19:16:36] <t12> lollin
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[19:16:44] <t12> the whole orgone world is great entertainment
[19:16:47] <CaptHindsight> t12: I hear that the earliest tiny hammers were pebbles
[19:16:57] <t12> maybe i should just make a tinier hammer
[19:17:03] <zeeshan> furrywolf: whats that?
[19:17:05] <zeeshan> that looks cool
[19:17:07] <t12> how many microns can i get the face down to
[19:17:11] <furrywolf> zeeshan: an orgone generator.
[19:17:20] <t12> zeeshan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone
[19:17:33] <zeeshan> oh whatever that is
[19:17:36] <zeeshan> i like it as a sculpture
[19:17:46] <archivist> t12, in the toolbox :)
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_07_27_tinware/IMG_0798.JPG
[19:18:04] <furrywolf> it's a way of turning your waste into money. :P
[19:18:11] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I sell Orgone energy in bottle and drums now
[19:18:26] <zeeshan> archivist: you made those?
[19:18:29] <t12> i've developed a way to send orgone energy
[19:18:31] <t12> to anyone on earth
[19:18:33] <t12> with no objects
[19:18:39] <t12> heres a picture of the crazy device that does it
[19:18:41] <t12> paypal here now
[19:18:43] <t12> for great health
[19:18:57] <t12> archivist: is that a collection of tiny things
[19:19:02] <CaptHindsight> t12: I hear that is doesn't stay fresh when beamed to the end user
[19:19:03] <t12> lol
[19:19:14] <archivist> t12, I made them
[19:19:20] <t12> nice!
[19:19:28] <zeeshan> t12 while you are here dissing them, the guys making them are getting rich
[19:19:29] <zeeshan> :-)
[19:19:42] <t12> money leaches your orgone energy away
[19:19:45] <t12> send all money here now
[19:19:49] <t12> i have a special containment unit
[19:19:50] <CaptHindsight> I'm setting up my production line today
[19:20:02] <zeeshan> archivist: send me one? :)
[19:20:13] <zeeshan> i really like the top right one
[19:20:14] <furrywolf> t12: if you paypal me $10, I'll tell you a surefire way to get people to send you $10 for doing absolutely nothing.
[19:20:14] <zeeshan> green and brass
[19:20:30] <CaptHindsight> I should found the Chruch of Orgone
[19:20:38] <CaptHindsight> if it hasn't been doe yet
[19:21:08] <archivist> zeeshan, the brass colour is actually the lacquer on the original tin plate
[19:21:15] <CaptHindsight> "he U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) obtained a federal injunction barring the interstate distribution of orgone-related materials, " the damn FDA again
[19:21:31] <furrywolf> lol
[19:21:33] <t12> hah yes
[19:21:41] <t12> and remember the FBI wants to suppress all orgone research
[19:21:55] <t12> they're just the lapdogs of the illuminati overlords though
[19:22:09] <t12> your only hope is to appeal to archangel michael through 8000x repetition of chants
[19:22:16] <furrywolf> the fbi doesn't want you countering the effects of the chemtrails.
[19:22:39] <CaptHindsight> hmmm, maybe if I reverse the plus and minus and call it Enogro energy
[19:22:43] <malcom2073> orgone, o is 6 characters in the alphabet away from i, 666, illuminati, confirmed!
[19:22:52] <t12> heres some example chants:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDBgbUmMt3o&t=3m2s
[19:23:36] <Jymmm> JUST LICK IT !!!
[19:23:37] <t12> chanting cult recordings are pretty awesome actually
[19:23:44] <CaptHindsight> t12: Enogro require no chanting, just seed money
[19:23:53] <Jymmm> t12: OZZY OZZY OZZY
[19:23:54] <t12> Enogro energy requires DEBT
[19:24:52] <CaptHindsight> and lots of reaping and sowing
[19:25:46] <furrywolf> ENOGRO... is that what happens when you try to grow a buffer with realloc and it fails? :)
[19:27:44] <t12> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oax6wD4IJFk who knew husqvarna made motorcycles
[19:28:19] <CaptHindsight> also chainsaws and sewing machines
[19:28:28] <t12> and some firearms
[19:28:34] * furrywolf sighs and decides no one finds errno humor funny
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[19:29:48] <t12> oh they only used to make guns
[19:33:25] <CaptHindsight> t12: any idea how Illumina arrives at the $1k per genome? The numbers don't add up?
[19:33:53] <CaptHindsight> 1 Genome = 3,000,000,000 (base pairs) x $0.02ea = $60,000,000
[19:34:16] <CaptHindsight> 50,000 (base pairs) x $0.02ea = $1,000
[19:35:07] <CaptHindsight> http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/18/beyond-the-1k-genome-dna-writing-comes-next-2/
[19:37:20] <CaptHindsight> the article jumps from decoding to synthesizing
[19:44:33] <ganzuul> http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/2000x2000/348/3485_2000x2000.jpg
[19:44:38] * ganzuul wants!
[19:45:24] <Jymmm> ganzuul: You'll clamp your eye out kid!
[19:46:12] <ganzuul> It's so... dreamy. :o
[19:46:29] <Jymmm> ganzuul: It's ONLY $180
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200334217_200334217
[19:46:45] <furrywolf> I had one of those. It wasn't that great...
[19:46:48] <t12> illumina subsidizes it
[19:46:58] <furrywolf> I like my wilton much more. :)
[19:46:59] <t12> theu sell the 10x sequencer
[19:47:04] * pcw_home wonders if there is a Chinese "Milton" vice
[19:47:05] <t12> which is just 10 hiseqs
[19:47:20] <t12> and an agreement to only run human genome stuff on it
[19:47:27] <furrywolf> pcw_home: yep
[19:47:29] <t12> and an agreement for cheaper reagents
[19:47:36] <furrywolf> wilton has joined the trend of sticking their name on chinese garbage
[19:48:05] <furrywolf> they still sell us-made vises, but most are harbor freight grade chinese crap now.
[19:48:14] <t12> counting sequqncing in terms of human genomes is complex too
[19:48:41] <t12> it depends on accuracy, oversampling, acceptable losses, etc
[19:48:45] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, did you mean wilton?
[19:48:48] <Tom_itx> http://www.wiltontools.com/us/en/c/bench-vises/W110
[19:49:31] <pcw_home> No I meant Milton but maybe its all the same if Wilton vices are all chinese now
[19:49:47] <ganzuul> http://www.amazon.com/Grizzly-G7062-Multi-Purpose-5-Inch-Bench/dp/B0000DD5ZY
[19:49:49] <ganzuul> Cheaper
[19:50:55] <t12> lol at techcrunch just straight publishing an article written by twists ceo
[19:51:30] * furrywolf starts to wonder what the hell t12 is talking about
[19:51:32] <furrywolf> and who to
[19:51:55] <furrywolf> I have an older wilton vise on my workbench, it's nice... the newer ones seem very chinese.
[19:52:00] <t12> capthindsight
[19:52:03] <furrywolf> as in, might as well save the money and buy a harbor freight one
[19:52:23] <ganzuul> hm...
[19:53:12] <furrywolf> replacing good US products with shit chinese products is, sadly, a trend lately.
[19:54:04] <ganzuul> The Chinese and the Russians dumped steel in the US to drive the US steelworks out of business.
[19:54:59] <t12> hasnt us steel always been subsidized
[19:55:00] <Jymmm> Yeah, buy AMERICAN MADE TV/LCD's!!!
[19:55:37] <Jymmm> (Curtis Mathis circa 1990... The LAST american made tv... RIP)
[19:55:48] <ganzuul> Oxtools is making a vice. On youtube.
[19:55:56] <renesis> a vise?
[19:56:03] <Jymmm> a video vise
[19:56:10] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Elvsgswttc
[19:57:18] <CaptHindsight> t12: was wondering if that article even had an editor
[19:58:07] <MattyMatt> early 14c., "a winch, crane," from Anglo-French vice, Old French vis, viz "screw," from Latin vitis "vine, tendril of a vine," literally "that which winds," from root of viere "to bind, twist" (see withy).
[19:58:20] <t12> lol
[19:58:26] <t12> its techcrunch
[19:58:35] <t12> its just a fancier prnewswire
[19:58:53] <t12> why edit it exists to distribute press releases
[20:01:45] * furrywolf contemplates starting a vise/vice debate, but decides to go work on projects instead
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[20:07:28] <ganzuul> Does there exist a tool which is some sort of eldrict crossing between a vice and a chuck?
[20:09:57] <MrSunshine> http://www.hemingwaykits.com/acatalog/HK1650Hall.jpg
[20:09:59] <MrSunshine> ?
[20:11:06] <MrSunshine> http://uanews.ua.edu/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/vice_b_4335.jpg ?
[20:11:08] <MrSunshine> Chuck Vice
[20:11:19] <renesis> anyway 4 jaw really
[20:13:51] <ganzuul> hmmm
[20:13:59] * ganzuul approves of the 2-jaw chuck
[20:14:30] <ganzuul> I
[20:14:30] <MrSunshine> was as close to a crossing between a vice and a chuck i could find :P
[20:15:10] <ganzuul> shall want a gear-actuated rotating table 2-jaw chuck
[20:15:26] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: If you get shitfaced daily, you can have both... a vise and chuck!
[20:15:48] <ganzuul> Or maybe a crankable table whith chuck fittings...
[20:16:04] <Jymmm> MrSunshine: Though I think that call that alcohol poisoning or some such thing
[20:16:39] <ganzuul> ~vise
[20:17:02] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#vice_vise
[20:23:33] <Deejay> vice president
[20:23:52] <Deejay> yay
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[20:56:28] <Sync> wtf
[20:56:36] <Sync> the precise spindle collets are strange
[20:57:12] <Sync> they use a collet in a taper holder
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[21:03:45] <MattyMatt> ganzuul, can't you take 2 jaws off a 4 jaw?
[21:04:20] <MattyMatt> maybe make 2 wide jaws, if it's something flat you want to hold on edge
[21:07:39] <MattyMatt> my brace and bit has a 2 jaw for square shank bits. handy for tapping
[21:11:10] <furrywolf> mmm, it's amazing what spray wax does to old generators. :)
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[21:22:16] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/pBTYUD6 - the most important CNC you will see today.
[21:22:20] <SpeedEvil> (not really)
[21:24:39] <furrywolf> ... they're probably manufactured individually. if you need specific colors, it's probably much more efficient to call up the factory and ask for a bucket of the color you need.
[21:25:57] <SpeedEvil> Well, yes.
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[21:31:12] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/eu3000is0101.jpg anyone want to buy a generator? :)
[21:33:47] <JT-Shop> latency test after 5 days 13300
[21:38:27] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Nice, what mobo/cpu?
[21:40:29] <Jymmm> Battery included furrywolf? lol
[21:40:42] <furrywolf> Jymmm: brand new battery
[21:41:00] <furrywolf> AGM
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[21:41:15] <Jymmm> furrywolf: *sigh, I know I shouldn't ask* how much and you guarnteeing it at all?
[21:41:40] <Jymmm> oh, it's not propane is it =(
[21:41:48] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/18-computer/29147-intel-cpu-on-board-motherboard-suggestion?start=20#62692
[21:41:51] <furrywolf> no, it's not propane.
[21:42:31] <furrywolf> I'm hoping for $1000. it's the one that has a new head, cylinder honed, new rings, etc.
[21:42:43] <JT-Shop> jitter runs around 500 most of the time
[21:43:23] <furrywolf> I took the picture to try trading it and a welder for a lathe... the guy said no trades, but I figured I'd see if shiny pictures impress him.
[21:44:16] <Jymmm> you need the bikini models around it =)
[21:44:42] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carved-HOBO-NICKEL-Cyclops-Skull-Zombie-Folk-Art-Coin-OHNS-RM-1304-/151757578882 ... you know, hobo nickels are supposed to look at least something like a nickel. lol
[21:44:56] <furrywolf> as soon as I find some bikini models, I'll do that. :P
[21:45:28] <Jymmm> zeeshan: furrywolf is looking for you
[21:46:06] <Jymmm> furrywolf: "hobo nickle" ???
[21:46:06] <furrywolf> ?
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[21:46:34] <furrywolf> Jymmm: coins hand-carved with different figures on them. a once-popular passtime of hobos.
[21:46:51] <furrywolf> now hobos just beg and do meth instead.
[21:46:56] <Jymmm> furrywolf: ah
[21:47:15] <Jymmm> furrywolf: did they sell them or just to pass the time?
[21:47:49] <furrywolf> dunno. I wasn't a hobo in the '30s. :P
[21:47:58] <furrywolf> probably sell them
[21:49:07] <Jymmm> K, cause I can engrave all those in wooden dollar easily
[21:50:31] <Jymmm> I already have the fixture made and everything =)
[21:51:56] <Jymmm> Bow saw blades... whats the difference between seasoned and green blades?
[21:56:09] <furrywolf> dunno
[21:56:27] <furrywolf> my guess would be one is meant for use on seasoned wood, the other on green wood... :P
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[21:58:46] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:06:20] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I've just heard there's both, but cudln't tell which ones I have
[22:07:12] <Jymmm> furrywolf: You still looking for DC clamp meter?
[22:07:35] <furrywolf> I was not the one looking for a dc clamp meter.
[22:07:40] <Jymmm> k
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[22:10:13] <Jymmm> Ah.... "Raker tooth design for cutting green wood"
[22:11:03] <Jymmm> "Peg tooth design For cutting dry, seasoned wood"
[22:11:44] <Jymmm> Peg Tooth (dry/seasoned wood) ==
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAwWDUwMA==/z/IuoAAOSwqu9VBybL/$_12.JPG
[22:12:01] <PetefromTn_> man I am STILL making rails today LOL
[22:12:23] <PetefromTn_> got a bunch of them done now and gonna crank up the anodizing line because several get black anodize
[22:12:30] <Jymmm> Raker tooth (green) ==
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDAwWDYwMA==/z/Ag8AAOSwrklU~OGi/$_12.JPG
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[22:12:50] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: zebra annodize them
[22:13:07] * JT-Shop can't wait to see the anodizing line
[22:13:07] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: BEtter yet, oanda =)
[22:13:13] <Jymmm> panda
[22:13:30] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Just dont confuse it with the beer line
[22:13:40] <Jymmm> both are ice chests
[22:14:05] <JT-Shop> have you seen my brewery?
[22:14:38] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I meant PetefromTn_'s "annodiing line" == ice chests (iirc)
[22:14:42] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop it is just a bunch of coolers LOL
[22:14:59] <furrywolf> ever get a working power supply or at least a working current meter?
[22:15:05] <JT-Shop> that's what my line is too, but I've never fired it up
[22:15:08] <PetefromTn_> and I have yet to build the stand/enclosure for the stuff
[22:15:28] <PetefromTn_> I am NOT an expert here so I am just happy I can freaking do it at all now
[22:17:23] <JT-Shop> understand
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[22:18:03] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Neither was Einstein
[22:18:48] <PetefromTn_> well actually Einstein WAS an expert?
[22:18:57] <Jymmm> Hmmm, weird. bowsaw blades actually seem kinda hard to find in the hardware stores (HD/lowes)
[22:19:19] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Nope, as he said, he just kew how to hide his sources well =)
[22:19:26] <Jymmm> knew*
[22:19:32] <furrywolf> that's because most people just replace the bowsaw.
[22:19:42] <Jymmm> furrywolf: sad, but true.
[22:20:03] <Jymmm> $7 for a HF bowsaw with two blades
[22:20:25] <furrywolf> I've never worn out a blade. if it's going to take that much cutting, I get some form of power saw.
[22:20:36] <enleth> PetefromTn_: what kind of rails are you making?
[22:21:11] <furrywolf> picatinny, probably. he likes making those.
[22:21:22] <Jymmm> furrywolf: The folding saw I have is 60yo and the original blade =)
[22:21:54] <PetefromTn_> enleth
http://i.imgur.com/H7dRjUG.jpg
[22:22:19] <enleth> PetefromTn_: nice work.
[22:22:28] <PetefromTn_> thanks man...
[22:22:42] <PCW> JT-Shop: the H81/H97 with G32XX CPUs are very nice. low latency witn RTAI _and_ Preempt-RT and work especially well with Ethernet motion cards
[22:22:55] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/XmA6JNt.jpg
[22:22:56] <enleth> PetefromTn_: if someone told me it's factory made, I wouln't try to doubt them.
[22:23:08] <PetefromTn_> it IS factory made;)
[22:23:09] <jdh> it is, just a small factory
[22:23:31] <enleth> PetefromTn_: well, factory made as in the kind of factory that made the gun.
[22:23:43] <PCW> plus the 32XX is about as fast as the best I7 core for core and clock for clock
[22:23:46] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I think you should fire the employee ;)
[22:24:00] <PetefromTn_> I have a 25x25 square foot state of the Art CNC factory ;)
[22:24:25] <PetefromTn_> hell I even have a bandsaw!!!!
[22:24:26] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I think you should fire the employee for slacking off on irc
[22:24:32] <PetefromTn_> probably
[22:25:55] * JT-Shop guesses enleth has never seen tiawan factories
[22:26:36] <enleth> PetefromTn_: have you ever tried to make a cutaway model out of an broken gun? Like those engine cutaways that show the innards and permit some kind of movement to demonstrate the working principle. A friend of mine is a handgun enthusiast and when he saw my Bridgeport almost finished, he asked if it's possible to do such a cutaway on it.
[22:27:07] <enleth> Id's say sure, the b'port should be capable of that, but I have to assume there are lots of gotchas in there.
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[22:28:51] <[cube]> try finding a cad and use a cross section view
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[22:29:09] <[cube]> see what you're up against
[22:29:58] <enleth> [cube]: yeah, getting a useful, good-looking cutaway may be nontrivial
[22:30:04] <PetefromTn_> enleth no idea my friend never tried. I suppose it would depend on which gun you are talking about and how complex it is. Either way a decent bridgeport should be able to whittle thru it without too much drama.
[22:36:09] <enleth> PetefromTn_: he volunteered a late model TT-30 for a test. This is probably the cheapest and shittiest handgun one can get in post-soviet countries, his reasoning being that a successful cutaway is going to be worth a lot more than a working specimen, and a failed cutaway is a few bucks down the drain and lots of fun trying. I guess I should accept his offer when I get the hang of cutting reasonably compl
[22:36:15] <enleth> ex steel parts.
[22:37:52] <CaptHindsight> one of those phasers from Star Trek should do the trick, they even cut through solid rock in seconds
[22:38:37] <PetefromTn_> shit yeah man I want one too
[22:39:05] <PetefromTn_> enleth if it is a cheap gun what do you have to loose....just take your time and of course make sure it is not loaded LOL ;)
[22:39:17] <fenn> phaser = photon maser
[22:39:58] <CaptHindsight> think of all the uses, stun, heat rock, cut through stuff (obviously), trade it for a blaster etc
[22:40:12] <fenn> enleth wouldn't you want to grind it instead of trying to mill thin hardened steel parts?
[22:42:14] <enleth> fenn: what about a liberal application of a blowtorch to soften it up?
[22:42:32] <fenn> sure, bake it in an oven at 1600C for an hour
[22:43:53] <fenn> you'd have to take all the springs out beforehand and replace them after milling
[22:47:36] <enleth> fenn: oven/blowtorch and then dump it in dry sand, I guess
[22:48:13] <fenn> oops i meant 1600F
[22:48:23] <enleth> I figured.
[22:50:31] <CaptHindsight> be sure to take any bullets out of it first before baking
[22:50:42] <enleth> Besides, I wouldn't expect a standard issue Soviet piston to be made out of particularly high quality steel.
[22:50:46] <enleth> *pistol
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[22:50:58] <enleth> But that should apply to pistons as well, duh.
[22:51:20] <SpeedEvil> Or you could just take an abrasive chop-saw to it
[22:51:24] <fenn> half of all pistols are below average
[22:51:33] <fenn> well something like that
[22:51:38] <enleth> In fact, I wouldn't expect a standard issue Soviet anything to be made out of high quality steel.
[22:52:53] <fenn> the only soviet thing i own (a zenit sniperscope) is of high quality
[22:53:02] <fenn> photosniper i mean
[22:53:26] <enleth> fenn: optics, sure, Arsat and Zenit made high quality lenses.
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[22:54:30] <enleth> SpeedEvil: a chop saw won't cut a nice rectangular slot in the side
[22:56:28] <enleth> fenn: besides, a sniper scope might not be a standard issue item
[22:56:52] <fenn> yeah it's probably some spy tool
[22:57:27] <fenn> found at washington DC garage sale
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[22:59:11] <SpeedEvil> enleth: Ah - I was assuming you meant to simply cut down the centreline
[22:59:25] <enleth> fenn: those guys figured out how to launch things into space and have them return in one, non-crispy piece, I have no doubt they were able to make high-quality machinery
[22:59:54] <enleth> But I would never trust something that Soviets made in the millions, for the common soldier.
[22:59:54] <SpeedEvil> enleth: 'standard issue'
[23:00:01] <SpeedEvil> err
[23:00:09] <SpeedEvil> nvm - I should actually read backscroll, sorry
[23:03:10] <fenn> does anyone know where i can find information about the "features" add-on
[23:04:17] <enleth> SpeedEvil: I think it would look best with slots cut into the sides in some interesting spots. I saw such a cutout of an aviation engine once, it was made so that the pistons could still move
[23:06:35] <fenn> ah i found it:
https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
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[23:08:42] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or6mIaSWZ8g - is relevant.
[23:08:44] <SpeedEvil> (sort-of)
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[23:16:48] <fenn> now i'm an expert in the J79 turbojet engine
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[23:19:30] <XXCoder> nice video on monty hall problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EbanrRUuy0
[23:19:58] <trentster> fenn: what exactly does that github linuxcnc-features do?
[23:20:02] <XXCoder> its weird statistic stuff.. suppose if youre in contest
[23:20:05] <XXCoder> theres 3 doors
[23:20:20] <XXCoder> you are to choose one door, one of those door has prize and other 2 has none
[23:20:36] <XXCoder> host opens one of other door that does not contain prize
[23:20:47] <XXCoder> host then asks if you want to change mind and switch door
[23:21:02] <XXCoder> whats chances on winning on orginial door and remaining unopened door?
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[23:22:05] <furrywolf> the first door you picked has a 1/3 chance of being right. the other doors, combined, have a 2/3 chance of being right. but since he always opens one that's wrong, that 2/3 chance is entirely on the remaining door. duh?
[23:22:32] <XXCoder> furrywolf: indeed
[23:22:34] <malcom2073> That's like saying that if you fllip a coin 10 times, and 9 times are tails, what is your chance the remaining one will be heads?
[23:22:50] <malcom2073> Ah wait, I misread
[23:22:51] <XXCoder> I figured it pretty quickly but it is definitely counterinterive
[23:22:52] <furrywolf> no, it's not. :P
[23:22:55] <malcom2073> You're right
[23:23:00] * furrywolf didn't even watch the video
[23:23:54] <furrywolf> you're gaining additional information by his opening a wrong door.
[23:24:14] <malcom2073> That barn "treasure trove" yielded a craftsman riding mower with a bad steering gear, a john deer push mower, and some decent wicker furnature
[23:24:33] <malcom2073> Nothing great, but I didn't get tortured to the tune of banjos, so all in all a success
[23:24:49] <furrywolf> lol
[23:25:56] <jdh> for some, that might be the good part.
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[23:52:44] <XXCoder> lol
http://gaspull.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/notice.jpg
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