#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-18

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[00:08:37] <Wolf_Mill> ... love the fact that these chinese mill bases are skim coated with bondo to hide how shitting the casting is
[00:08:52] <Wolf_Mill> shitty*
[00:09:34] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[00:09:43] <PetefromTn_> want to hear something funny
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[00:09:58] <PetefromTn_> when I retrofit my RF45
[00:10:09] <PetefromTn_> it was all green when I bought it years before
[00:10:20] <PetefromTn_> but I wanted it to be an off white
[00:10:41] <PetefromTn_> so I stripped it down
[00:10:49] <PetefromTn_> it was CAKED with bondo
[00:11:11] <PetefromTn_> they even bondo'd over the column to base screws
[00:11:17] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[00:11:31] <PetefromTn_> and they went as far as smoothing them over to LOOK like screws
[00:11:32] <Wolf_Mill> I had to drill the bondo out of the base mounting holes
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[00:11:45] <PetefromTn_> but once I got ALL of that shit off the casting
[00:11:46] <Wolf_Mill> wow, that is bad haha
[00:11:59] <PetefromTn_> the base casting was actually damn near perfect!!
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[00:12:16] <PetefromTn_> I mean no porosity, no voids, no missed areas
[00:12:24] <PetefromTn_> it was really very nice
[00:12:32] <TheZealous> is this a EMC channel discussion?
[00:12:36] <PetefromTn_> so I just primed and painted it and it looked much better
[00:12:53] <PetefromTn_> TheZealous occasionally ;)
[00:13:50] <Wolf_Mill> from all my google travels looking at X1 conversions I'm thinking I'm going to have the only one with a rear mount Y axis stepper
[00:15:41] <PetefromTn_> cool man
[00:16:21] <Wolf_Mill> might be nice not having that damn stepper hanging out in front of the table
[00:17:27] <PetefromTn_> on my RF45 I did and I probably should have run it along the side of the base it makes getting closer to the spindle easier
[00:22:08] <Sync> Wolf_Mill: so did deckel
[00:22:20] <Wolf_Mill> ?
[00:23:11] <Sync> bondo on their mills
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[00:25:07] <furrywolf> I haven't noticed any on my shoptask... they just painted over all the bad castings with a lot of paint. :P
[00:25:20] <furrywolf> I haven't tried chipping any of the paint to see what's under it, however.
[00:25:37] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, probably not that uncommon to bondo, least in a skim coat
[00:34:56] <andypugh> Probably not actually Bondo.
[00:35:38] <andypugh> I have some tubes of “knifing putty” for filling holes in castings. It is more like very thick paint than body filler.
[00:37:57] <Sync> the chinese have put some actual glass fiber filled bondo on my mill, it is pretty annoying to remove
[00:39:12] <andypugh> At least they tried to make it look nice.
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[00:42:21] <malcom2073> I've heard machines have a thick coating of bondo/plaster/something to smooth out the rough casting before paint
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[01:10:39] <Wolf_Mill> :D http://i.imgur.com/kYDtEtW.jpg
[01:11:19] <malcom2073> Holy hell lol
[01:11:35] <malcom2073> That thing gonna topple forward?
[01:12:13] <Wolf_Mill> its pretty solid
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[01:12:19] <malcom2073> Nice
[01:12:39] <Wolf_Mill> new base is way bigger then the stock one
[01:12:55] <Wolf_Mill> bet the UPS guy was cussing me when he dropped the box off
[01:13:01] <malcom2073> Heh
[01:13:10] <malcom2073> Oh I got shipping notification for my steppers: 50lb box. UPS is gonna hate me
[01:13:25] <Wolf_Mill> this was 56.8lbs
[01:13:32] <malcom2073> Heh
[01:13:34] <Wolf_Mill> err 56.2
[01:13:58] <Wolf_Mill> USPS today, lazy fucks http://i.imgur.com/crSGy8Y.jpg
[01:14:04] <malcom2073> Lawl
[01:14:08] <malcom2073> They do that to me
[01:14:22] <Wolf_Mill> took me 3-4 mins to get the box out
[01:14:33] <malcom2073> Haha
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[01:15:05] <Wolf_Mill> guess I need a bigger mailbox lol
[01:15:16] <malcom2073> Or a smaller one :)
[01:15:39] <Wolf_Mill> no, then they put the shit on teh front porch or leave a pickup note
[01:15:43] <malcom2073> Heh
[01:16:15] <Wolf_Mill> currently no floor inside the front room where the front door is lol
[01:16:30] <malcom2073> Lol
[01:16:59] <Wolf_Mill> I really should do somethign about that lol
[01:17:11] <malcom2073> No floor room, or literally no floor?
[01:18:06] <Wolf_Mill> no floor
[01:18:27] <Wolf_Mill> took half of the front floor out
[01:18:31] <furrywolf> usps here occasionally delivers my packages to the empty house across the road. even though my house has the correct number on all three sides of the mailbox, on the front of the house in large numbers, and on the box by the front door I have a sign stuck to saying to leave packages under so they don't get rained on.
[01:18:58] <malcom2073> Heh
[01:19:06] <malcom2073> Nice
[01:19:11] <Wolf_Mill> my UPS guy is trained, he comes up the driveway and leaves the stuff at the side door
[01:20:02] <Wolf_Mill> I think fedex throws the stuff at the front door from the street
[01:20:05] <furrywolf> I'm about ready to go put a NO PACKAGES HERE, YOU IDIOT sign on the front door of the empty house.
[01:20:14] <furrywolf> it's been empty for 25 years.
[01:20:15] <malcom2073> Lol
[01:20:16] <malcom2073> do it
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[01:20:49] <furrywolf> UPS is the worst here
[01:20:52] <furrywolf> fedex is the best
[01:21:06] <Wolf_Mill> other way around here
[01:21:07] <malcom2073> I really think it depends entirely on the driver
[01:21:23] <malcom2073> I love DHL, our driver actually delivers from an hour and a half away since there is no closer depotf or them
[01:21:25] <Wolf_Mill> my UPS kicks ass, but this is also a training area
[01:21:26] <malcom2073> But he's a really cool guy
[01:21:36] <roycroft> i rarely have problems with any delivery service
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[01:22:12] <CaptHindsight> for me it's generally UPS is better on the east coat and Fedex on the west
[01:22:48] <Wolf_Mill> and lazership sucks everywhere
[01:22:51] <furrywolf> UPS usually loses, damages. or delays my packages well before they make it to the local office.
[01:22:58] <furrywolf> never heard of lazership
[01:22:59] <CaptHindsight> USPS is pretty good in any larger city
[01:23:21] <furrywolf> USPS is pretty good here too, except for once a year or so leaving a package at an obviously empty house with the wrong address.
[01:23:29] <Wolf_Mill> lasership is one of providers for amazon
[01:24:03] <furrywolf> I don't order from amazon anymore. I want the right item, on time, at a good price. they invariably fail all three.
[01:24:07] <CaptHindsight> we have something like SpeedyMessenger in Il/WI
[01:24:14] <Wolf_Mill> few things delivered at my mom's from them, one item they left at the base of the mailbox in the flowers
[01:24:16] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: This should be you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZETK74RWn8
[01:24:27] <CaptHindsight> see it with ebay and amamzon stuff
[01:24:40] <Wolf_Mill> lol seen that
[01:24:51] <Wolf_Mill> kinda cool but lame at the same time
[01:25:05] <malcom2073> Needs a gasoline motor, not electric :-D
[01:25:14] <malcom2073> I want to convert my riding motor to RC
[01:25:18] <furrywolf> their free shipping takes between two weeks and a month to get here, half the orders are fucked up, and they charge just as much or more as any other store.
[01:25:25] <Wolf_Mill> too much hand work, I have a dump truck and bobcat :P
[01:25:29] <malcom2073> Lol psh
[01:25:33] <malcom2073> Ohhh you have a bobcat
[01:25:38] <Wolf_Mill> yup
[01:25:39] <malcom2073> How much to rent it+you for a weekend? :-P
[01:25:55] <CaptHindsight> it could have both and start itself to move and recharge
[01:25:57] <Wolf_Mill> what ya need done?
[01:26:20] <malcom2073> Next summer I'm planning on having concrete done in my polebarn, but it'd be cheaper if I dig it out myself first. How tall is the bobcat?
[01:26:46] <Wolf_Mill> less then 7'
[01:26:53] <malcom2073> Nice, got almost 9ft I believe
[01:27:19] <malcom2073> Basically need to take the top 10" of dirt out, and put gravel in
[01:27:57] <Wolf_Mill> I need to fix a few things on it first but should be easy
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[01:32:33] <furrywolf> is it my imagination, or do dimmers meant for incandescent bulbs only dim to about 50% power, assuming that's where they start putting out light instead of just heat?
[01:35:10] <Wolf_Mill> might depend on the dimmer...
[01:35:25] <Wolf_Mill> but I use mostly lutron digitals
[01:39:50] <PetefromTn_> Evening folks
[01:40:05] <malcom2073> Evening
[01:40:15] <Wolf_Mill> make the tube notcher yet? :P
[01:40:29] <PetefromTn_> LOL I have been working on the drawing a bit actually
[01:40:50] <PetefromTn_> right now I have another drawing to work on tho while I watch Transformers
[01:40:57] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[01:41:17] <PetefromTn_> I showed the video of them to the owner of the race shop and he was intrigued
[01:41:35] <Wolf_Mill> one idea I had last night when thinking about it was to add a lead screw type adjustment to the drill height arm
[01:41:49] <Wolf_Mill> not sure how to lay it out yet
[01:42:50] <PetefromTn_> heh right now I am just trying to figure out how to make the original without screwing it up ;)
[01:43:39] <Wolf_Mill> I was thinking about screen caps from youtube and just convert them or rough tracing them out
[01:44:30] <PetefromTn_> my pal Art is busy working on the drawing on his end.... he got inspired when I showed him the video
[01:44:46] <PetefromTn_> he told me he might have it completely drawn out by this evening ;)
[01:44:59] <Wolf_Mill> lol nice
[01:45:14] <PetefromTn_> he is a retired pro engineer with time to kill LOL
[01:45:20] <PetefromTn_> and he is a good friend
[01:46:46] <PetefromTn_> I got so many damn drawings in my PC I get to where I can't find the one I am looking for.
[01:48:53] <Wolf_Mill> hah, all my drawing files are a mess on my computer as well
[01:49:26] <PetefromTn_> I have yet to figure out a good way to organize it
[01:49:52] <furrywolf> I've yet to find suitable software for producing drawings.
[01:51:46] <Contract_Pilot> Ahhh just stripped the coloum down on that shearline leaned all the dry greese off it goes smoothe.
[01:52:41] <furrywolf> sherline. NO A.
[01:54:38] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, bad speller
[01:55:00] <Contract_Pilot> or typer
[01:56:55] <furrywolf> or something, because you did it every time you typed it this morning too... :P
[01:59:43] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, i am going to clean them up drench them in acf-50 and stash them away for another day!
[02:00:04] <Contract_Pilot> Need to finish my 12X36 Lathe.
[02:00:55] <furrywolf> lawn tractor for sale on craigslist... "I bought this to use the dozer blade but I have two problems. 1) I can't figure out how to attach it (I don't even know if it attaches to the front or back); and 2) the controls on the mower are too complex for me to figure out. "
[02:02:15] <malcom2073> Lawl
[02:02:17] <malcom2073> That's a winner
[02:07:54] <furrywolf> I've used a couple lawn tractors, and I've yet to see one where moving each lever in each direction didn't answer that question in about 15 seconds...
[02:09:13] <furrywolf> hell, I've also figured out a roller/compactor and a boom truck that way. :P
[02:10:16] <furrywolf> grrr. these supposedly dimmable costco led lights flicker badly when dimmed. the supposedly dimmable can retrofits don't even dim, just start strobing.
[02:10:20] <furrywolf> fucking china.
[02:10:57] <furrywolf> can we have a law that if the packaging of a product makes a claim, the product has to actually do what's claimed?
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[02:13:57] <furrywolf> neither of these LED bulbs is dimmable. one dims but flickers too badly to use. the other doesn't dim, it just strobes at full brightness at a period set by how much you try dimming it.
[02:14:04] <furrywolf> both claim to be dimmable on the packaging.
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[02:17:40] <furrywolf> or maybe it's time for some old-fashioned protectionism... because every single time I have problems like this, the item is made in china.
[02:17:56] <furrywolf> where do you even find US-made led bulbs, though?
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[02:26:01] <zeeshan> furrywolf: in china
[02:26:46] <zeeshan> interesting part i had to make for someone
[02:26:47] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/Mj14c
[02:26:55] <zeeshan> it actually doesnt leak any water
[02:26:56] <zeeshan> sweettttttt
[02:28:13] <zeeshan> i need to start camfering on the mill more
[02:28:18] <zeeshan> hand chamfering makes the part look like ass
[02:31:22] <furrywolf> igur sucks.
[02:31:23] <furrywolf> imgur
[02:31:37] <furrywolf> they now load every full-size image at once, instead of scaling them.
[02:31:50] <furrywolf> so pages take forever to load
[02:32:13] <Jymmm> furrywolf: What color is your Grand Torino?
[02:32:42] <furrywolf> eh?
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[02:33:11] * furrywolf has three subarus (one wrecked), one ford van, and one old jeep pickup
[02:33:40] * furrywolf wanders off while waiting for brain-damaged imgur page to load
[02:44:21] <furrywolf> what does it do? lol
[02:44:22] <furrywolf> other than hold a cup
[02:45:07] <PetefromTn_> funny it loaded for me in an instant
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[02:45:10] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[02:46:04] <furrywolf> imgur is now brain-damaged, and loads the full-size images then scales them in the browser... for that page, the images (or at least the one I checked) are 3264x2448...
[02:46:18] <furrywolf> rather than sane web design where you load a preview-size image that links to the huge image.
[02:46:50] <PetefromTn_> I like BIG images
[02:47:10] <furrywolf> if I want a big image of something, I'll click it. :P
[02:47:22] <furrywolf> I want images now, not in 15 minutes.
[02:47:36] <malcom2073> Well, turn off automatic image loading
[02:47:58] <PetefromTn_> I don't think I ever clicked on an image that took longer than a couple seconds
[02:48:05] <furrywolf> then I don't get the small image to see if I want to click it.
[02:48:07] <PetefromTn_> at least not in this decade ;)
[02:48:16] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: furrywolf lives in the 80's
[02:48:19] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I'm guessing you don't use a mobile device, then? :P
[02:48:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah I do actually
[02:48:37] <furrywolf> go see how long zee's page takes to load on it. :P
[02:48:39] <PetefromTn_> my LG G3 smartphone
[02:48:48] <PetefromTn_> just did
[02:48:57] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Once again, 80's. Most people have 25+mbit connections on their phones :P
[02:49:13] <PetefromTn_> you got dial up or something?
[02:49:30] <furrywolf> malcom2073: those must be people with 4g coverage. not here. :P
[02:49:35] <malcom2073> Yep
[02:49:37] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: 3g
[02:49:56] <furrywolf> "Led Led Light Bulbs Made In Usa - Alibaba.com" did I mention I hate china?
[02:51:23] <PetefromTn_> argh
[02:51:55] <PetefromTn_> the exhaust manifold plate I have here does not match the dimensions of the drawing I got from two other sources....
[02:52:02] <PetefromTn_> but I KNOW it fits good LOL
[02:52:08] <furrywolf> lol
[02:52:55] <PetefromTn_> better go get some chocolate chip cookies and milk and ponder the situation hehe
[02:53:28] <furrywolf> ice cream or cheesecake work well too. :P
[02:53:37] <PetefromTn_> it does actually
[02:53:48] <PetefromTn_> but we ate all the damn cheesecake already
[02:55:01] <furrywolf> ... are cree-branded LED bulbs seriously made in USA? lol
[02:55:20] <furrywolf> a pint of ben&jerry's and a spoon works well. :P
[02:55:51] <furrywolf> (has to be a pint. do not buy brands that are not a pint. some brands have started cheaping out, putting 14 or 15oz in a pint carton...)
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[02:56:34] <PetefromTn_> bastards
[02:56:40] <furrywolf> Haagen-dazs, for example, only puts 14oz in their pints now.
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[02:57:06] <furrywolf> ben&jerry's prints "STILL A PINT!" in big letters on their pints. :)
[03:00:23] * furrywolf tries to give money to honest companies whenever possible
[03:08:11] <PetefromTn_> GN8
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[03:10:32] <furrywolf> "Blue Bell Creameries is committed to providing the best ice cream in the country and that includes continuing to offer ice cream in a full half gallon container, despite the industry trend to downsize." too bad I've never seen that brand for sale. heh.
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[03:13:58] <zeeshan> furrywolf: enough complaining for today
[03:13:58] <zeeshan> :P
[03:14:24] <furrywolf> zeeshan: stop complaining. :P
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[03:17:04] <Contract_Pilot> Lets hope next week mesa has the combo cards.
[03:17:10] <furrywolf> https://player.vimeo.com/video/132700334 that is weird.
[03:18:49] <furrywolf> I want to write code that does that. that looks FUN.
[03:20:23] <furrywolf> you know you like image processing too much when you see something and think it'd be fun to write code that does it.
[03:21:52] <furrywolf> also, if you got a projector, and a few sheets of blotter paper, you could get a lot of hippies giving you money.
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[03:24:28] <renesis> furrywolf: omg some of that shit is nightmare material
[03:24:50] <furrywolf> (note: weirdness factor increases towards the end)
[03:25:03] <furrywolf> lol
[03:25:04] <renesis> like, they train the system to look for objects in images, and once its consistent, they feed it noise, and dream shit pops out
[03:25:30] <furrywolf> that's what it looks like to me, yes.
[03:25:46] <renesis> its a recent google project
[03:26:28] <renesis> well, the spike in popularity is due to a recent google project, i think the code is posted so lots of content popping up
[03:26:59] <furrywolf> http://imgur.com/pePem3z and, of course, being the internet, people immediately apply it to porn.
[03:27:18] <renesis> with dogs =\
[03:27:38] <furrywolf> (safe for work. maybe not safe for brain.)
[03:27:57] <renesis> dunno if i would consider that sfw
[03:28:19] <fenn> or safe for anywhere
[03:28:56] <renesis> a lot of it is really beautiful
[03:29:13] <renesis> the dog eye fractals in your video kind of gross me out
[03:29:45] <furrywolf> https://www.reddit.com/r/deepdreamporn/ there you go, just for you.
[03:30:36] <renesis> yeah no this is all wrong
[03:30:47] <renesis> i want a dreamscape to look for porn in normal images
[03:30:54] <renesis> not look for dog eyes in porn
[03:31:00] <furrywolf> lol
[03:31:15] * furrywolf didn't view any of the images, so has no idea what they contain
[03:32:41] <renesis> yeah its almost all porn into dogs and reptiles
[03:33:08] <furrywolf> at least that's better than humans. eww.
[03:33:18] <renesis> like teach it to recognize technical drawings, then feed it landscape images
[03:33:21] <renesis> prob get some giger shit
[03:34:44] <furrywolf> the code is apparantly open-source, so you're welcome to do that. :P
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[03:35:30] <furrywolf> someone needs to xscreensaver it. :P
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[03:41:10] <furrywolf> still... a projector and some shrooms and you could have a lot of people sitting there staring at it. :P
[03:46:16] <furrywolf> I used simple neutral networks for a project a decade and some ago... what they're doing doesn't sound too hard code-wise, but very hard cpu-time-wise. as in, it's not running on my laptop. ever.
[03:52:31] <furrywolf> yeah, its cpu usage is absurd.
[03:52:41] <MacGalempsy> hey everyone
[03:52:42] <furrywolf> like, out of the range of home users.
[03:53:04] <furrywolf> with a $3100 gpu accelerator it takes a day a frame or something. lol
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[03:58:16] <furrywolf> training takes weeks using a distributed system...
[04:11:58] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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[04:41:40] <trentster> anyone using one of these ebay cheapie breakout boards http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-PCS-5-Axis-CNC-Breakout-Board-For-Stepper-Driver-Controller-mach3-Hot-Cable-/191602748414
[04:42:49] <trentster> I got this one that archivist recommended
[04:43:11] <trentster> Not 100% sure where to connect spindle enable and pwm to it - any pointers?
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[04:50:48] <Wolf_Mill> what ever pins you map them to
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[05:14:12] <Wolf_Mill> part of what makes the software so flexable
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[05:41:42] <trentster> Wolf_Mill: I thought only specific pins are pwm compatible on break-out boards?
[05:43:03] <trentster> Also any good resources for scripts that do edge finding etc?
[05:43:56] <Wolf_Mill> dunno on the edge finding, hmm good point on the pwm, not sure on that, but most all of teh outputs are the same opto so not sure
[05:44:21] <Wolf_Mill> toss a scope on it and see what happens?
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[05:47:36] <rootB> hey linuxCNC, what would you recommend for a guy trying to start a CNC related business?
[05:47:51] <rootB> im doing an idea brain storm
[05:48:06] <MacGalempsy> start reading up
[05:48:41] <rootB> business books and all of that I suppose?
[05:49:12] <MacGalempsy> cnc books?
[05:49:44] <rootB> that too obviously
[05:49:53] <rootB> CAM and CAD related too as well right?
[05:50:09] <MacGalempsy> they kind of go hand in hand
[05:54:39] <MacGalempsy> if you check out the linuxcnc website, there are pleanty of articles there. Machine Language would be good
[06:05:19] <archivist> trentster, the spindle has a relay
[06:06:51] <archivist> trentster, two diagrams I found http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/cnc/bob/
[06:07:08] <rootB> wait
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[06:07:13] <rootB> i have those drivers
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[06:43:18] <Deejay> moin
[06:59:46] <trentster> archivist I got the spindle semi working
[07:00:05] <trentster> the only issue when I switch it on and increase the speed in the ui it gets slower and not faster
[07:00:48] <trentster> What I did was assign pins to spindle "pwm" "ccw" and "spindle enable"
[07:01:01] <trentster> I tried to invert the pins to see if it helps but it does not
[07:01:39] <trentster> Also I am a bit clueless to what hz and pulrate to use for the spindle as I never had to adjust this in grbl - so its pretty new to me
[07:02:53] <trentster> This is the spindle I am using : http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-400W-Brushless-Spindle-Motor-ER11-Mach3-PWM-speed-controller-Mount-PSU-/301616058306
[07:02:56] <trentster> Any ideas?
[07:07:10] <Wolf_Mill> PWM: level 3.5-12V VPP, frequency 1K-10KHZ
[07:14:10] <trentster> Wolf_Mill: https://monosnap.com/file/865NyneZUufR6U1LYECO3xHvylY2TH
[07:14:45] <trentster> what specifically do I use there?
[07:15:27] <archivist_herron> trenster just invert/scale to whatever you need
[07:20:29] <trentster> archivist: I am a little confused here - for PWM do I enter 10Khz as this is the top of the Hz for this spindle?
[07:21:12] <trentster> Then what is the relationship between "speed1" and "PWM 1" and cycles per revolution
[07:21:28] <trentster> Can someone explain to me like I am a 5 year old pls :-)
[07:23:10] <Jymmm> The cow goes Mooooooooooooooooo
[07:23:57] <trentster> lol
[07:24:36] <trentster> can we fast forward to the part where the spindle goes whirrrrrrr
[07:25:40] <Jymmm> I'm afraid not, you'll poke your eye out kid
[07:28:19] <trentster> sigh - thanks guys. I guess its time to hit google for answers
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[07:40:31] <MattyMatt> that driver looks nicer than the one on my ebike
[07:40:40] <Jymmm> trentster: *I* just dont know the asnwer to your questions is all
[07:40:58] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: driver?
[07:40:59] <MattyMatt> and my ebike motor would look nicer as a milling spindle atm :)
[07:41:39] <MattyMatt> the one that comes with the spindle trentster got on ebay
[07:41:46] <Jymmm> ah
[07:43:07] <MattyMatt> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/48v-400w-high-speed-brushless-main-spindle-motor-driver-controller.html
[07:52:41] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: I thought RC stuff had higher amperage than that?
[07:54:15] <Jymmm> 30A http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__65156__Turnigy_Multistar_30A_Slim_V2_ESC_With_BLHeli_OPTO_2_6S.html
[07:55:46] <Wolf_> multi rotors are sharing the load between 3 or more motors
[07:56:02] <MattyMatt> and there's plenty of air cooling
[07:56:04] <Wolf_> don’t need as much esc amp
[07:56:40] <Wolf_> now a castle monster mamba max on the other hand...
[07:57:07] <Jymmm> it was an example, NFC on that rc stuff
[07:57:14] <MattyMatt> RC ones don't look very controllable, no convenient reverse or rpm sense
[07:58:06] <Wolf_> you can do split pwm, 1500us neutral, 1000 rev full, 2000 forward full
[07:58:24] <MattyMatt> I imagine that chinese one is the same thing, but in a alu box with more inputs
[07:58:37] <Wolf_> and the car stuff has sensor BL motors
[07:59:04] <MattyMatt> ah cool. I've only really looked at the quadcopter type
[07:59:13] <Wolf_> but a BLDC spindle kit is going to be cheaper lol
[07:59:20] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: I think we just found what gets Wolf_'s panties wet ;)
[08:00:03] <Wolf_> I was thinking about using a RC motor on my mill and taig lathe
[08:00:15] <Wolf_> not my fault I know a lot of things :P
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[08:00:38] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Yeah, but you cited VERY SPECIFIC specs VERY VERY QUICKLY there too =)
[08:00:55] <MattyMatt> I've seen a nice one made from a motor with a 8mm hollow shaft, and one of those ER16 collets stuffed in
[08:01:31] <MattyMatt> RC motors that big are not easy to find tho, apparently
[08:02:42] <enleth> that had me wondering, was there ever a mass-produced lathe or mill with an internal combustion spindle motor?
[08:03:06] <enleth> I'd expect that to be a WW2 thing if one ever existed.
[08:05:12] <MattyMatt> it was WW1 where they were making concrete lathes
[08:06:16] <fenn> trentster: the stepconf thing is confusing if you don't know why there's a calibration being asked. just start with speed 1 = 0, speed 2 = 12000 and pwm 1 = 0, pwm 2 = 1
[08:06:47] <fenn> if you really care about what rpm you will have to measure with an optical tachometer
[08:07:30] <Wolf_> MattyMatt: http://www.emaxmodel.com/brushless-motor/bl5335.html#product_tabs_description_tabbed
[08:07:52] <fenn> there's a trick you can do with laser printed encoder rings of varying numbers of lines and fluorescent lights
[08:08:18] <enleth> come to think of it, a classic belt-powered machine (as in those shops with a single steam engine and a distribution shaft) would be easy to attach to an IC engine
[08:08:29] <enleth> so this must have been done
[08:08:57] <fenn> amish do it all the time
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[08:09:39] <enleth> they're allowed to use IC engines?
[08:09:56] <enleth> but that's devil's farts or something
[08:10:00] <fenn> well duh how do you think they power the cnc mill, horses?
[08:10:17] <Wolf_> they use whatever is needed to get the job done
[08:10:25] <Wolf_> just not at home
[08:10:38] <fenn> depends on the order
[08:11:00] <Wolf_> true, I dunno, I’m not amish
[08:11:54] <fenn> sometimes i feel about a quarter amish
[08:13:13] <fenn> like, are we really better off with javascript and web sockets
[08:15:12] <fenn> first world problems
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[08:16:58] <fenn> the garage where i am collecting various metal things only has one outlet and i have no idea where the breaker for it is
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[08:17:57] <MattyMatt> in the streetlight outside? :)
[08:18:00] <fenn> so i don't think i'll be able to run an induction melter and air compressor and heat treating oven and welder and mill and electron microscope and fume hood and ...
[08:18:30] <MattyMatt> handy hint, draw no more than 600W and they write it off as groundwater fault
[08:18:37] <Wolf_> my garage has the issue too
[08:18:46] <Wolf_> has… I mean HAD
[08:19:03] <Wolf_> now it has 100A 220...
[08:19:09] <fenn> 600W is almost 50% more electricity
[08:19:21] <fenn> this place has LED streetlights
[08:19:44] <fenn> i'm sure they each have cellphones in them for data collection
[08:20:33] <MattyMatt> there's the cutest melter on ebay. house gas. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HME-Crucible-Furnace-AMF-T12-230V-Automatic-Melting-Tilting-Furnace/291563204177
[08:21:02] <Wolf_> this big enough MattyMatt? http://www.emaxmodel.com/brushless-motor/gt5345.html
[08:21:06] <MattyMatt> you could almost run that in a kitchen owned by a woman
[08:21:52] <fenn> what's the non-tilting box for?
[08:22:15] <MattyMatt> Wolf, do the shafts press out of those? you need the hollow shaft to use those collet-on-shaft units
[08:22:29] <MattyMatt> fenn that's the blower I assume
[08:22:31] <Wolf_> set screw shafts
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[08:24:55] <Wolf_> they sell replacement shafts so should press out easy
[08:26:04] <MattyMatt> then you've got something rather like a chinese 800W spindle, so you might as well buy one of them
[08:27:37] <MattyMatt> bigger bearings and the can
[08:28:21] <Wolf_> yup…
[08:29:17] <MattyMatt> for a 6dof high speed engraving head or something tho, I can see the appeal of the the RC one
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[08:29:43] <trentster> fenn: thanks mate
[08:29:55] <Wolf_> funny part is the one I linked isn’t high speed lol
[08:30:53] <trentster> fenn: and the Hz should I set to 10K?
[08:31:25] <Wolf_> but I was looking at low KV motors to turn other things, not for using it as a spindle
[08:33:58] <fenn> trentster: 1k is probably best
[08:34:56] <MattyMatt> that driver has an analog input too, so the pwm might be simply integrated with a capacitor
[08:35:17] <MattyMatt> if that's the case, hz is largely irrelevant except for ripple
[08:35:46] <fenn> if emc is running pulse generation thread at 10khz you get bang-bang instead of pwm
[08:36:11] <fenn> at 1khz you'd get 10 increments
[08:37:34] <fenn> "Because software-generated PWM uses a fairly slow timebase (several to many microseconds), it has limited resolution. For example, if make-pulses is called at a 20KHz rate, and pwm-freq is 2KHz, there are only 10 possible duty cycles."
[08:37:54] <MattyMatt> gotcha. I keep forgetting a pc isn't an arduino :)
[08:38:08] <fenn> "If dither-pwm is true, the output duty cycle will be dithered between the two closest values, so that the long-term average is closer to the desired level."
[08:39:11] <fenn> stepconf probably turns dither on by default
[08:39:18] <MattyMatt> if it gets integrated with a cap, you could use error diffusion
[08:39:48] <fenn> that's what dithering does
[08:39:48] <MattyMatt> that could be exactly what dither-pwm is
[08:39:54] <MattyMatt> neat :)
[08:40:19] <fenn> everything is limited by inertia anyway
[08:41:05] <MattyMatt> including me. bbl :)
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[08:44:38] <gonzo__> can anyone tell me if the 7i90 board is fully integrated into the HM2 yet?
[08:45:18] <gonzo__> I have one as part of a stalled project, but must get back onto it
[08:45:53] <fenn> i don't know but this looks promising http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/hm2_7i90.9.html
[08:47:53] <gonzo__> I think that doc has been around for a while. But last time I looked, you had to use a dos fpga loader and the hm2 support was still work in progress
[08:48:34] <gonzo__> will ask peter when they come on line over there.
[08:49:32] <fenn> you might be able to do it with mesaflash/elbpcom
[08:51:39] <gonzo__> mesaflash sounds familiar. But it was probably a year since I last touched it. So trying to catch up on the current status
[08:53:11] <fenn> "sudo ./mesaflash --device 7i90 --addr 0x378 --write path/to/bitfile
[08:53:30] <fenn> change address to proper for your setup
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[08:54:10] <fenn> that was written last july
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[09:00:02] <gonzo__> Thanks, my notes are starting to make a little more sense now
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[09:28:08] <XXCoder> heys
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[10:00:54] <XXCoder> man
[10:01:00] <XXCoder> this sounds so much like scam. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/oura/oura-ring-improve-sleep-perform-better?ref=category_recommended
[10:01:35] <trentster> fenn its working great now - Awesome!!
[10:02:05] <trentster> now just need to figure out how to add a probe cycle and add a probe indicator to GUI
[10:02:09] <XXCoder> hey trentster
[10:02:45] <trentster> Howdy XXCoder hows things going?
[10:02:50] <XXCoder> not bad
[10:02:54] <XXCoder> boring work
[10:03:00] <XXCoder> overtime tomorrow
[10:03:04] <trentster> hows the cnc build coming along?
[10:04:09] <XXCoder> not moving, hardware is more or less done
[10:04:16] <XXCoder> software need to be configured
[10:04:54] <trentster> I am embarassed to say I only got round today to throwing the GRBL controller out and using linuxcnc plus the cheapie breakout board - should have done this months ago and I have only just touched the basics
[10:04:58] <XXCoder> wonder if this could be used to make a tiny cnc http://www.makerbeam.com/
[10:05:16] <XXCoder> trentster: I started months ago lol
[10:05:28] <XXCoder> I started getting poarts over year ago
[10:05:44] <trentster> XXCoder: those extrusions look beefy and solid
[10:05:51] <XXCoder> and pretty small.
[10:06:31] <XXCoder> size is cm by cm
[10:07:53] <XXCoder> trentster: yeah definitely possible to make tiny cnc with it
[10:08:05] <XXCoder> would have to find very small spindle or something lol
[10:08:11] <trentster> its nicely packaged and marketed as well
[10:10:16] <XXCoder> thers openbeam and pcbgrip
[10:11:31] <XXCoder> theres bunch of "classic" design (no tapped center) in closeout pretty cheap
[10:11:42] <MattyMatt> and there's your local scaffolding shop
[10:12:17] <MattyMatt> round extrusions, dollar a foot
[10:13:10] <MattyMatt> steel I beam looks pretty good value for the mass you get
[10:13:25] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: youre thinking inch or more size I guess
[10:13:28] <XXCoder> those is TINY
[10:13:31] <XXCoder> cm by cm
[10:13:46] <MattyMatt> makerbeam is 10x10mm neh?
[10:13:53] <XXCoder> yeah thats 1 cm
[10:14:03] <XXCoder> 10 mm = 1 cm
[10:14:17] <MattyMatt> someone should make 12.7mm extrusion, thread for meccanno/erector
[10:14:33] <MattyMatt> inches ain't dead
[10:14:38] <XXCoder> evenually.
[10:14:48] <XXCoder> makerbeam is euro based
[10:14:54] <XXCoder> so not surpised its metric.
[10:14:57] <MattyMatt> so is meccano :)
[10:15:05] <MattyMatt> in calais
[10:15:27] <XXCoder> seriously that ring kickstarter is pretty wtf
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[10:15:34] <XXCoder> what exactly do it check
[10:16:03] <chris_99> its supposed to measure the pulse from the video, but can you do that with electrodes on the finger?
[10:16:22] <MattyMatt> green lantern
[10:16:33] <MattyMatt> lookit his t shirt
[10:16:37] <chris_99> oh apparently you can do ECG on the finger
[10:16:45] <XXCoder> its tiny size makes me wonder about power. maybe have to say thgat light and darkness motto with that lanern
[10:16:56] <XXCoder> isnt ecg need a head?
[10:17:10] <MattyMatt> that's eeg
[10:17:24] <MattyMatt> ecg/ekg = heart
[10:17:37] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[10:17:47] <XXCoder> was confused for a min!
[10:18:24] <MattyMatt> I read they were supposed to say ekg so they don't mishear, but afaict that isn't common practice
[10:20:12] <XXCoder> geez
[10:20:24] <XXCoder> so many SMART X projects on kickstarter
[10:21:42] <MattyMatt> eeeh. so far I've knackered the slip clutch and made the mosfet smoke, but this chuck ain't coming off
[10:22:17] <MattyMatt> spindle lock would be handy
[10:22:55] <MattyMatt> mebbe I can drill through the spindle from the side and pin it
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[10:50:37] <MattyMatt> ah I give up. I'll leave the LH retaining screw out and if the chuck loosens intself one day then fine
[10:50:42] <MacGalempsy> I have a general HALCMD question if anyone has the time to help out
[10:50:57] <MacGalempsy> my power on/off button consists of two toggles
[10:52:03] <XXCoder> this https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/301805155/ustepper?ref=category_popular
[10:52:05] <MacGalempsy> I want the halui.machine.on = true, modally until the off button is pressed
[10:52:08] <XXCoder> plus makerbeam = tiny cnc lol
[10:52:21] <MacGalempsy> can HAL use a conditional statement?
[10:52:40] <MattyMatt> the best tiny cnc has to be that green one
[10:52:51] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: any link?
[10:53:06] <MattyMatt> isn't that enough for google? :)
[10:53:16] <XXCoder> nope
[10:53:25] <MattyMatt> lime green anodised, that's all I can remember
[10:53:30] <XXCoder> oh wait
[10:53:51] <MacGalempsy> the little 5axis one?
[10:54:19] <XXCoder> pocketcnc?
[10:54:26] <MacGalempsy> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1090944145/pocket-nc-the-first-5-axis-cnc-mill-for-your-deskt?ref=discovery
[10:55:01] <XXCoder> it do look awesome, but ya know
[10:55:03] <XXCoder> $3500
[10:55:09] <XXCoder> for workspace that small.
[10:55:48] <MacGalempsy> I guess it depends on what you are making, for like jewlry wax that thing is probably excellent
[10:56:49] <XXCoder> oh brother https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/350/905/082454d33f9c2f238317a91f5424ea9a_original.gif?v=1440099275&w=680&fit=max&q=92&s=ee4a649806fc15d8b76179862d6ed26b
[10:57:09] <MacGalempsy> haha
[10:57:18] <XXCoder> HACKER!!
[10:58:32] <XXCoder> yet another printer https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1508643250/lumipocket-lt-a-revolutionary-personal-fabricator
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[11:06:51] <MattyMatt> on the subject of lasers, this one looks quite tasty http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Engraving-laser-head-445nm-5W-43mm-CNC-laser-diode/231584079211
[11:07:53] <XXCoder> aliexpress has quite cheap ones but no idea on safety and styff
[11:08:44] <MattyMatt> buy the laser from poland and the safety specs from aliexpress :)
[11:11:48] <XXCoder> not bad https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1128055363/7bot-a-powerful-desktop-robot-arm-for-future-inven?ref=category
[11:11:55] <MattyMatt> wow pocketcnc hasn't delivered. I thought it was a thing already
[11:12:23] <XXCoder> wonder if it can be hacked to work with linuxcnc
[11:12:37] <MattyMatt> of course it can, if it isn't already
[11:13:20] <MacGalempsy> That laser will mount perfectly on a shark head
[11:13:30] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: though I wonder a bit
[11:13:50] <XXCoder> do it need some cam that knows how to use arm? or?
[11:14:00] <MattyMatt> 5W of blue should be enough to invent Direct Delrin Sintering
[11:14:00] <XXCoder> * MattyMatt
[11:14:03] <MacGalempsy> we will need a blood-water hydrogen generator to go with that
[11:14:25] <XXCoder> MacGalempsy: theres a way to do salt water/fresh water mixing power
[11:14:35] <XXCoder> not sure how much power that is thoygh lol
[11:14:43] <MattyMatt> breed shark with electric ray, profit
[11:14:46] <MacGalempsy> perfect, isnt there a MIT project that pulls ambient radiation?
[11:14:55] <enleth> finally, parts for the lathe arrived
[11:15:09] <MacGalempsy> thre you go, train it to laser through russian subs
[11:15:11] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: replace gripper with laser
[11:15:17] <XXCoder> its now fire on grasp lol
[11:16:05] <MattyMatt> I don't understand why nobody has a 3d printer made from an arm, except for dirk van der kooi
[11:16:20] <MacGalempsy> too many axii for ramps1.4
[11:16:25] <MattyMatt> it's the only machine with a bigger work area than itself
[11:16:31] <enleth> XXCoder: looks like it's powered by RC servos
[11:16:53] <XXCoder> theres 7bot dual
[11:16:54] <enleth> MattyMatt: the math for 6R arms is *hard*
[11:16:56] <XXCoder> two arms
[11:17:43] <MacGalempsy> so in the last 4 nights I have watched about 25hrs of youtube videos on roman history
[11:17:49] <MattyMatt> enleth it has been done tho. I bet you could snaffle the cartesian->axis function from some OS project
[11:17:59] <enleth> MattyMatt: it takes a few years of training and serious maths background to get it right
[11:18:02] <MacGalempsy> too bad we dont live then heh
[11:18:21] <MacGalempsy> or just buy software
[11:18:25] <XXCoder> I wonder if someone could develop a inverse relationship between arm and 5 axis cnc
[11:18:32] <XXCoder> so you just use cam for 5 axis
[11:18:36] <XXCoder> then convert it to arm
[11:18:46] <MacGalempsy> cant linuxcnc control 6axis arms?
[11:18:51] <enleth> MattyMatt: getting thr thing to move - sure, a few weeks of fiddling
[11:18:55] <malcom2073> Linuxcnc can control many axises
[11:19:22] <enleth> getting it to move right at high speed, under load- well, good luck
[11:19:27] <MattyMatt> if you have cartesian DRO for feedback, it'd be easier to tune
[11:19:44] <MattyMatt> printers don't have heavy loads
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[11:20:04] <MattyMatt> hot plastic pooping
[11:20:11] <enleth> MattyMatt: the arm's own mass is a load
[11:20:32] <enleth> it bends and twists.
[11:20:39] <XXCoder> that arm project also has mobile platform.
[11:20:46] <XXCoder> thats 7th and 8th axis lol
[11:20:49] <enleth> you have to take that into account.
[11:20:59] <MattyMatt> delta printers are using CF tubes as the arms
[11:21:21] <enleth> yeah, industrial robots are often mounted on rail platforms or 2 acis overhead cranes
[11:21:28] <enleth> *axis
[11:21:32] <MacGalempsy> I like those magnetic joints on the deltas
[11:21:49] <MacGalempsy> carbon fiber with magnetic joints seems pretty cood
[11:22:31] <XXCoder> whoa this guy already stole my laser on arm idea https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dobot/dobot-robotic-arm-for-everyone-arduino-and-open-so?ref=category
[11:23:09] <MattyMatt> I'd be worried about what happens when the nickel plating wears off the magnet balls
[11:23:48] <XXCoder> those arm stuff is pretty cool
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[11:23:55] <MattyMatt> so I'd be inclined to have steel balls in magnetic teflon cups etc
[11:23:57] <XXCoder> but know what? once I has router working I can make em
[11:24:05] <XXCoder> just need some nema17s
[11:24:34] <enleth> Anyways, a 6R arm is a bendy twisty cantilever that involves heavy math even for the simplest move and requires predictive control to avoid singularities and the resulting loss of motion range or lifting strength
[11:25:10] <MattyMatt> k then, quadcopter printer. biggest print area of all
[11:25:37] <XXCoder> way too unsteady
[11:25:37] <malcom2073> enleth: You watch the latest darpa grand challenge?
[11:25:44] <malcom2073> humanoid robots, with 7 joint arms and legs
[11:25:59] <MattyMatt> arachnoid is the natural shape for a printer IMO
[11:26:01] <malcom2073> They use solution maps, pre-calculated so they don't have todo the math on the fly
[11:26:51] <MacGalempsy> MattyMatt: now you are on something there
[11:26:55] <enleth> malcom2073: nice trick
[11:26:55] <MattyMatt> arachnoid with quadcopter option, for those tricky overhangs that real spiders struggle with
[11:27:23] <MacGalempsy> just use accelorometers and a wades remix, you are set
[11:28:15] <enleth> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zlGCurgsqg8 - this video shows the problem nicely.
[11:28:57] <MacGalempsy> so back to linuxcnc, how would I use a conditional statement in HALCMD, I cannot see anything about that in the manual
[11:29:58] <malcom2073> Yeah, hard to keep speed constant if you're moving across those points
[11:30:04] <enleth> an arm that enters a singularity configuration may be severly limited with the subsequent movements but sometimes a singularity is unavoidable.
[11:30:39] <enleth> so, the control has to plan for singularities and calculate a viable exit path
[11:30:40] <XXCoder> interesting
[11:31:15] <MattyMatt> in practice you'd define a cartesian box and ensure you could traverse anywhere without gimbal lock
[11:31:41] <MattyMatt> exactly the same as you do it with your own arm. you get comfortable
[11:31:52] <enleth> and flip this or that part of the arm around to prepare for an exit in the desired direction even if the move did not affect the arm tip
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[11:32:45] <enleth> MattyMatt: not if you want the full rotational freedom within the box
[11:33:03] <MattyMatt> that'd be all in the wrist wouldn't it?
[11:33:28] <enleth> MattyMatt: but for printing, with the head pointing roughly down most of the time, sure
[11:33:32] <MattyMatt> ah I guess not if you want 360 deg in A & B
[11:34:11] <MattyMatt> small steps. if it works in a limited case it's a start
[11:34:23] <enleth> yep
[11:35:01] <MattyMatt> a reprap one wouldn't need A&B at all. 3 axis is plenty
[11:36:04] <XXCoder> X Y Z W A B C D
[11:36:08] <XXCoder> ;)
[11:36:32] <MacGalempsy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAmUJYQfXTU
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[11:47:25] <enleth> oh, and solving singularities involves trivia like keeping cable bundles from being torn or twisted, running servos at full speed with a sudden stop to perform the required "null" moves fast enough and compensating the resultant inertia
[11:50:20] <Sync> enleth: a lot of commercial drives will avoid singularities
[11:52:41] <enleth> Sync: whenever possible, yes. The main point here was, why aren't there more hobby robot arms around.
[11:54:00] <malcom2073> No real hobbiest purpose
[11:54:35] <XXCoder> I probably will make one for fun. using wood and some nema23s or something. why not.
[11:54:41] <XXCoder> not for any real reason
[11:54:50] <malcom2073> Right, they exist for shits n giggles heh
[11:55:03] <malcom2073> There's not a real purpose to them, like cnc machines, or 3d printers (don't troll that one)
[11:55:49] <XXCoder> malcom2073: actually there is a few
[11:55:55] <XXCoder> someone made a lego sorter using one
[11:56:12] <XXCoder> do you know how much time it takes to do that.
[11:56:18] <XXCoder> a lot. thats the answer. a lot.
[11:56:18] <malcom2073> I'm not saying they're totally useless
[11:56:26] <enleth> malcom2073: milling styrofoam for lost foam castings is one useful thing a homemade 6R could do
[11:56:35] <malcom2073> I was responding as to why I thought there wasn't a plethora of them like 3d printers and routers
[11:57:11] <enleth> milling or cutting with a hot blade
[11:57:13] <malcom2073> enleth: But a 4 axis router can do most of that too, just limited
[11:57:39] <malcom2073> Same reason 5th axis hasn't really made it into hobbiest space, the use is limited
[11:57:48] <enleth> malcom2073: won't be able to handle some totally weird shit
[11:58:00] <malcom2073> That's my point, it's weird, it's not commonplace
[11:58:31] <enleth> but if you need it, a 6R could actually be the easiest solution
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[14:05:17] <zeeshan> i have to remote desktop to irc.
[14:05:19] <zeeshan> jeez..
[14:12:49] <malcom2073> Lol
[14:12:52] <malcom2073> Why not use something like quassel?
[14:13:11] <malcom2073> Or any other irc bouncer
[14:14:08] <zeeshan> Non-Standard IM Services - Blocked You are unable to access this Web based Instant Messaging service as Eaton started blocking all non-standard Instant Messaging services (both Client based as well as Web based) as of May 1, 2012. Third party Instant Messaging clients such as Skype, QQ, Yahoo Messenger, AOL etc. are included in this block.
[14:14:13] <zeeshan> when i try to download quassel
[14:14:13] <zeeshan> lol
[14:14:16] <malcom2073> Lawl
[14:14:22] <malcom2073> You at work, or school?
[14:14:28] <zeeshan> work
[14:14:36] <malcom2073> You probably shouldn't be on IRC then if they disallow it :P
[14:14:41] <zeeshan> school is about the same hassle
[14:14:46] <zeeshan> im on contract.
[14:14:50] <malcom2073> Right, but work you could get fired yeah?
[14:14:52] <zeeshan> im not sharing company secrets
[14:15:14] <zeeshan> this room is great for collaboration on different aspects.
[14:15:18] <malcom2073> I didn't say you were, I said you're violating their security policy :P
[14:15:20] <zeeshan> plus i can come here for a break :P
[14:15:33] <tiwake> heh
[14:16:08] <tiwake> linuxCNC is a fantastic place to be for such things
[14:16:23] <tiwake> *for advice for such things
[14:16:51] <tiwake> also, microsoft has their own internal linux distro
[14:17:04] <tiwake> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-Linux-ACS
[14:17:12] <malcom2073> Not suprised
[14:17:25] <malcom2073> That big, you really do you want to be in control of everythign
[14:17:43] <tiwake> yeah
[14:17:48] <malcom2073> We use a heavily customized distro at my work for security reasons, it's not from scratch, but it's damn close
[14:18:16] <tiwake> though they are colling the software they wrote for their linux distro, "cross platform", and word it like it will only work on linux
[14:19:02] <tiwake> wait
[14:19:03] <malcom2073> Heh
[14:19:07] <tiwake> not quite
[14:19:14] <malcom2073> Platform as in architecture maybe?
[14:19:17] <malcom2073> literally platform?
[14:19:20] <tiwake> they are calling it a cross platform operating system?
[14:19:42] <tiwake> "It is a cross-platform modular operating system for data center networking built on Linux."
[14:19:58] <malcom2073> They keep using that word platform, I don't think it means what they think it means
[14:20:30] <malcom2073> Ah yeah they're calling their hardware platforms
[14:20:33] <malcom2073> http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/microsoft-showcases-the-azure-cloud-switch-acs/
[14:20:43] <malcom2073> ACS also allows us to share the same software stack across hardware from multiple switch vendors.
[14:20:45] <malcom2073> ""
[14:20:56] <malcom2073> Cool
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[14:22:33] <tiwake> weird way to word that
[14:22:48] <malcom2073> Eh, Microsoft. Go figure :P
[14:23:28] <malcom2073> zeeshan: My steppers will be here next Wednesday, they're in California right now
[14:23:42] <Jymmm> Not really, just saying that they can use the same familure siftware no matter the networking hardware.
[14:24:44] <Jymmm> What IS kinda weird is that M$ is using ASIC'
[14:25:01] <Jymmm> They must have aquired some company
[14:28:00] <Jymmm> http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/
[14:29:47] <ssi> morn
[14:31:55] <Jymmm> WHAT THE... Why would one use a XML index for a sql db?! xml is so fricken bloated as it is, then on top of that why not use sql itself which is designed for lookups *sigh* https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/bb934097.aspx
[14:32:20] <Jymmm> https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/documentation/articles/sql-database-v12-whats-new/
[14:32:23] <skunkworks> because microsoft like xml?
[14:32:51] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Nooooooooo
[14:34:34] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Microsoft understood long ago that there is good money in kickback from hardware manufacturers. Making things slow make customer buy faster machines.
[14:34:54] <tiwake> I dont see any pictures of the hardinge lathe I'm going to be buying
[14:34:55] <Jymmm> skunkworks: That's kinda like using a manual bicycle pump to inflate 400 car tires when you have an air copressor right there.
[14:35:40] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: I tested that thoery oonce, wasn't pretty
[14:36:05] <tiwake> its a 5C air operated collet, and has a housing overtop of it, and its a manual machine
[14:36:34] <tiwake> donno what the model is
[14:36:43] <tiwake> but I cant find it
[14:37:58] <t12> electronics bench coming along: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/4ep6in9h6nyhhrs/AABu3CVEAJp2D17uBcJD2gEba
[14:38:13] <tiwake> its a perfect candidate for turning it into a CNC lathe
[14:40:16] <tiwake> FinboySlick: I think most of it is feature creep
[14:40:29] <skunkworks> t12, cool - but welding on a nice wood floor?
[14:41:06] <t12> terrible wood floor
[14:41:13] <t12> doesn't matter with tig anyway
[14:41:26] <t12> wood floors all i got!
[14:41:36] <tiwake> heh
[14:42:01] <_methods> oh nice bench
[14:42:10] <t12> wood tops this weekend maybe
[14:42:22] <_methods> lots o luminumnumnum
[14:43:16] <Jymmm> too bad it's bent
[14:44:02] <_methods> that's a nice little shop there
[14:44:14] <t12> been finally accumulating everything in one place
[14:44:19] <t12> giving up on university shop, techshop, etc
[14:44:37] <_methods> yeah if you want something right do it yourself
[14:44:38] <_methods> hehe
[14:44:47] <t12> sux for capacity though
[14:44:55] <t12> i can go use those other places for large stuff
[14:45:02] <_methods> nice bein able to chill and drink a beer at your own lathe
[14:45:04] <t12> maybe i can manuver a bridgeport in there at some point
[14:45:21] <t12> or pour a pad in front yard and put it there if the city will let me
[14:45:29] <tiwake> universities dont like you doing your own project
[14:45:38] <t12> universities are weird
[14:45:39] <tiwake> though I cant really blame them
[14:45:45] <t12> i found an alternative shop but it takes some manuvering to be allowed in
[14:45:57] <t12> 2 bridgeport clones and 2 lathes
[14:46:00] <t12> and some other usefuls
[14:46:27] <t12> theres a very nice shop for the MRI people but only non-ferrous
[14:47:04] <tiwake> copper|aluminum|titanium...
[14:47:10] <t12> plastic
[14:47:21] <tiwake> wonder if they would let you try to do stuff with tungsten
[14:47:42] <tiwake> heee
[14:48:22] <t12> i wonder what that means about tooling
[14:48:28] <t12> what happens when you break a tool
[14:48:44] <FinboySlick> tiwake: Of course. Though nowadays, I suspect they take into consideration just how many jobs having a high-maintenance system creates.
[14:48:50] <t12> stellite tooling only?
[14:50:06] <t12> i guess carbide
[14:51:03] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: SuperModels?
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[14:58:11] <FinboySlick> A lot microsoft shops around here survive only because they have to go do maintenance at customer sites every couple weeks.
[15:00:43] <t12> i think the idea with xml database
[15:00:48] <t12> or index
[15:00:56] <t12> is that often you have to jam whole xml documents into sql columns
[15:01:10] <t12> and if you want to index on an xml path to an element in the xml document
[15:01:23] <t12> its way easier if the access is baked into the db
[15:02:08] <Jymmm> t12: Why would you store an xml dcument in a sql db instead of a FS (retorical)
[15:02:16] <t12> it happens often
[15:02:19] <t12> happens with json stuff too
[15:02:36] <Jymmm> t12: Oh I know it does, sadly enough
[15:02:39] <t12> replace xml with (any flexible data structure)
[15:02:45] <t12> and the problem holds
[15:05:04] <Jymmm> t12: I saw someone wrote a 60 line script to manipulate soem data in a db; I responding back with a 60 char sql statement that did the same thing, and faster of course =)
[15:05:28] <t12> yeah to a whole generation of people
[15:05:31] <t12> sql is a key/data store
[15:05:46] <t12> and the idea of a join or integrity or whatever it out the window
[15:05:48] <t12> blame mysql
[15:06:02] <Jymmm> =)
[15:06:11] <tiwake> blame oracle
[15:06:21] <t12> oracle are bastards
[15:06:28] <t12> but not because of failure to use a relational database
[15:08:13] <tiwake> alright, I think I'm going to go to work
[15:09:01] <lair82> why tiwake, it's friday, screw it
[15:09:11] <_methods> hahah
[15:11:22] <tiwake> lair82: I went home early yesterday cause I was feeling sick
[15:11:48] <lair82> Oh, I see,
[15:12:04] <tiwake> but, I'm one of three owners too
[15:12:08] <tiwake> so I can anyway
[15:12:12] <tiwake> heh
[15:12:29] <lair82> Very nice
[15:12:58] <lair82> So definitely screw it ;)
[15:17:26] <Contract_Pilot> Hey, everyone
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[15:26:35] <zeeshan> nice malcom
[15:26:39] <zeeshan> get that thing running
[15:26:51] <ssi> zeeee
[15:27:08] <zeeshan> sup
[15:27:15] <zeeshan> ssi do you have tight security at work
[15:27:20] <zeeshan> or can you irc from work just fine
[15:30:44] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot did you get your machine to work?
[15:31:25] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Not being able to irc is NOT "tight security" =)
[15:31:37] <ssi> we have tight security
[15:31:39] <ssi> physically
[15:31:47] <ssi> as in, I have to show a badge to a guy with a gun to get on campus
[15:31:52] <ssi> but our networking is pretty open
[15:32:21] <enleth> ssi: where do you work?
[15:32:22] <Jymmm> That's just closing all ports, and opening up needed opens.
[15:32:27] <ssi> turner broadcasting
[15:32:36] <Jymmm> ones*
[15:32:40] <_methods> tunnel out over 80
[15:33:15] <Contract_Pilot> I gave up on that controller going to go standard equipment but right now focusing on my 12X36 lathe
[15:33:32] <Contract_Pilot> Waiting for mesa combo.
[15:34:16] <Contract_Pilot> and my path pilot disk it will be a while.
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[15:38:22] <zeeshan> ah
[15:38:33] <zeeshan> can you ssh over 80 ?
[15:38:37] <zeeshan> like a reverse tunnel?
[15:38:42] <ssi> sure
[15:38:46] <ssi> you can do ssh tunneling on any port
[15:38:54] <ssi> I've had to do tunnels over 53 before
[15:39:01] <ssi> most places don't block or proxy dns
[15:39:34] <CaptHindsight> ssi: how is Ted these days? He seems to keep a pretty low profile compared to the 80's-90's
[15:39:45] <ssi> he sold the company to time warner in 96
[15:39:57] <ssi> I see him occasionally but not at work
[15:40:10] <ssi> I see him down around luckie street; he has an apartment over the Ted's restaurant there
[15:40:29] <ssi> and I see him in Ocala from time to time at the airport; he has a challenger with a big buffalo on the side and he goes into OCF a lot
[15:42:19] <CaptHindsight> he was interesting to listen to, not like Trump
[15:42:28] <ssi> he's at least as crazy as trump
[15:42:31] <ssi> just different crazy
[15:44:06] <CaptHindsight> Ross Perot had the craziest analogies, Dana Carvey had the best routines based on him
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[15:44:23] <ssi> yeah :P
[15:45:19] <skunkworks> turner?
[15:45:24] <CaptHindsight> Turner's penchant for controversial statements earned him the nicknames "The Mouth of the South" and "Captain Outrageous"
[15:45:33] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Turner
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[15:46:33] <SpeedEvil> Palin was her own kind of special.
[15:46:50] <ssi> all politicians are sociopaths
[15:46:53] <ssi> it's sorta required for the job
[15:46:56] <_methods> special like downs syndrome special
[15:46:57] <CaptHindsight> great comedic fodder
[15:47:19] <SpeedEvil> Not all of them.
[15:47:28] <SpeedEvil> A depressing majority
[15:47:50] <SpeedEvil> And it seems to get worse with high political officw
[15:48:47] <SpeedEvil> CNC could help. A parting cut...
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[15:51:19] <zeeshan> go trump go!!!
[15:52:42] <CaptHindsight> Trump/Kanye could actually win the popular vote
[15:52:49] <ssi> that would be hilarious
[15:53:02] <ssi> not sure which one is more self-centered
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[15:55:25] <_methods> one step closer to a world hydrated with brawndo
[16:00:37] <ssi> camacho 2020
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[16:05:51] <CaptHindsight> campaign song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nG1V773LVM&list=PL525B2FC05801BF49
[16:08:40] <Contract_Pilot> I have an extra 7 of these drivers laying around. Are the spec's good? http://www.microkinetics.com/pdfmanuals/DM8010.pdf
[16:08:46] <SpeedEvil> ElonMusk2016
[16:08:55] <SpeedEvil> (I know)
[16:09:35] <Contract_Pilot> Chopping rate 20 KHz nominal
[16:10:00] <Contract_Pilot> Maximum step rate 300 KHz
[16:10:27] <CaptHindsight> should be fast enough for most cnc bread slicers
[16:10:31] <Contract_Pilot> Using 2 of them on my lathe under mach 3
[16:11:03] <Contract_Pilot> Trying to get a feel for the settings in LCNC
[16:13:13] <CaptHindsight> run the numbers, what the steps/rev and screw pitch?
[16:14:54] <Contract_Pilot> maximum unramped speed = 5000
[16:14:54] <Contract_Pilot> maximum speed = 20000
[16:14:54] <Contract_Pilot> acceleration rate = 50000
[16:14:54] <Contract_Pilot> fast jog speed = 5000
[16:14:54] <Contract_Pilot> slow jog speed = 3000
[16:14:54] <Contract_Pilot> external sync active = 0
[16:14:56] <Contract_Pilot> x screw pitch = 5
[16:14:58] <Contract_Pilot> x steps in rev = 4000
[16:15:00] <Contract_Pilot> z screw pitch = 5
[16:15:02] <Contract_Pilot> z steps in rev = 4000
[16:15:39] <Contract_Pilot> thats' the setting the machine came with under microkinetics
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[16:20:32] <Contract_Pilot> Not much info on the settings for the drivers
[16:21:07] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure what microstps i shoudl set it at either.
[16:22:19] <malcom2073> As many as you can while still able to attain the speed you want
[16:22:41] <CaptHindsight> under load
[16:23:17] <Contract_Pilot> Ok.
[16:23:36] <CaptHindsight> you'll have to learn about how machines work
[16:23:36] <Contract_Pilot> Always fun learning.
[16:24:12] <Contract_Pilot> I ahve it running in mach but LCNC has some setting i have not seen.
[16:24:15] <CaptHindsight> all depends on what you want to do and what you have or plan to have for parts
[16:26:04] <Contract_Pilot> I had another unanswers Q can you run 2 7I76's on one 5I25 to be able to use 1 computer to control 2 machines.
[16:26:11] <CaptHindsight> Contract_Pilot: you might want to read over the many tech papers on stepper motors http://www.orientalmotor.com/technology/articles/step-motor-basics.html
[16:26:12] <Contract_Pilot> Not at the same time.
[16:26:42] <CaptHindsight> and ballscrews
[16:27:55] <Contract_Pilot> I have read all the info on the ball screws i am using.
[16:28:19] <Contract_Pilot> thanks for the link on the steppers
[16:29:12] <CaptHindsight> you're asking how to design and configure your machine
[16:30:14] <Contract_Pilot> Configure machine is runnign now. Just switching to LCNC
[16:31:24] <Contract_Pilot> If i can run 2 7I76's on one 5I25 that would make it nice to be able to just use one PC for 2 machines.
[16:32:15] <malcom2073> You could in theory with two diffrent configurations, use the two NOT at the same time, yes
[16:32:44] <malcom2073> Or get one 7i76, and make a connector so you can swap between them
[16:33:32] <Contract_Pilot> Want to not have to swap wiring.
[16:36:38] <Contract_Pilot> I will get it figured out either by trial and error or advice advice is best less mess ups.
[16:36:52] <jdh> it would be annoying to shut down an instance to run anotger machine for a minute
[16:37:26] <Contract_Pilot> MY pace is limited to have multiple cpmputers.
[16:37:29] <jdh> then deal with re-homing, etc
[16:37:32] <Contract_Pilot> ahhh space
[16:37:45] <Wolf_> get smaller computers
[16:37:47] <malcom2073> Contract_Pilot: Computers aren't that large, stack 'em :)
[16:37:49] <jdh> computrer is tiny
[16:37:58] <malcom2073> Drivers, power supplies, wiring, etc takes up *way* more space
[16:38:50] <Contract_Pilot> Compared to a laptop and the ESS on mach a PC is much larger.
[16:39:28] <jdh> an arduino is even smaller.
[16:39:40] <Contract_Pilot> Adrino?
[16:39:42] <malcom2073> A laptop and 7i76e (ethernet mesa) is the same size
[16:40:24] <Contract_Pilot> Was thinking of that route...
[16:40:26] <Wolf_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157497&cm_re=asrock_q1900b-_-13-157-497-_-Product
[16:40:31] <Loetmichel2> sooo, The "bbs" rims for wifeys Wheelchair finally done. only have to get some heap of allen head screws and mount them to the plastic rims. Then wife can use the wheelchair again without the plastic rims bending and breaking. -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15966&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[16:40:47] <Wolf_> I think the drivers would be bigger then
[16:40:48] <malcom2073> Nice Loetmichel2
[16:50:31] <Contract_Pilot> Well. I have to get back to packing up for the gun show this weekend make some money to get controller parts and fuel for the airplane.
[16:52:00] <jdh> which show?
[16:53:12] <Contract_Pilot> IN vancouver, Wa
[16:54:05] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.bigtoppromos.com/
[16:55:01] <jdh> exploiting the gun show loophole to sell guns to illegal aliens!
[16:55:49] <Contract_Pilot> No loophole here i sell AK-47 parts.
[16:56:02] <Contract_Pilot> Help's fun the CNC hobby.
[16:56:07] <Contract_Pilot> fund.
[16:56:21] <malcom2073> jdh: Do you believe that?
[16:56:33] <jdh> no.
[16:56:41] <malcom2073> aww heh
[16:56:43] <malcom2073> You're no fun :P
[16:56:45] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[16:56:54] <_methods> http://abc7.com/news/dead-pacific-palisades-man-with-1200-guns-identified-by-fiancee-as-secret-agent/876996/
[16:57:09] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: I re-lathed my pully adapter after fixing my lathe, 0.625, spot on :-D
[16:57:09] <Wolf_Mill> gun show loophole = private sellers...
[16:57:28] <Wolf_Mill> cool
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[16:59:47] <Wolf_Mill> I'm so good at pickign the easy way to do things, clearence between the mill table and the saddle, 20mm, ball screw nut outside diam, 22mm.. + 4mm flange
[17:00:09] <malcom2073> Heh, everything going pretty smoothly then?
[17:00:34] <Wolf_Mill> actually, yeah lol
[17:01:20] <Wolf_Mill> I'll put the motor on the left side of the table, and mill some material out of the saddle to fit the nut
[17:04:15] <malcom2073> Heh
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[17:06:50] <zeeshan> dont you guys work
[17:06:50] <zeeshan> :P
[17:06:52] <Wolf_Mill> already a clearance notch on that side http://i.imgur.com/Qj3IYih.jpg
[17:06:58] <zeeshan> chatting too much
[17:07:34] <Wolf_Mill> and the Y nut clearance http://i.imgur.com/HuoKKRf.jpg
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[17:08:44] <malcom2073> http://xkcd.com/ I feel this way about machine tools
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[17:10:39] <Wolf_Mill> the way I'm doing this is similar to the G0704 ball screw conversion
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[17:17:15] <Wolf_Mill> damn, need to go buy a M3 tap so I can get something done.. broke my last one the other night
[17:18:18] <malcom2073> I just went and bought a m6 heh
[17:18:20] <malcom2073> m3 is tiny
[17:18:21] <Loetmichel2> Wolf_Mill: m3 taps are consumables.
[17:18:28] <Loetmichel2> i buy them by the dozen ;)
[17:18:44] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, I have 6 on order, but I want to do stuff now lol
[17:18:55] <Loetmichel2> malcom2073: depents on the usual size of your works
[17:19:03] <Loetmichel2> i have taps down to M1.2 ;)
[17:19:06] <malcom2073> Heh
[17:19:37] <Wolf_Mill> the big set behind me starts a M10 lol
[17:19:41] <Wolf_Mill> a/at
[17:20:57] <Wolf_Mill> recall fail, M6 up to M24
[17:22:09] <Loetmichel2> my boggest taphere at home is M12
[17:22:28] <Loetmichel2> and the biogegst at the company is M16.. used one time now ;)
[17:22:45] <Wolf_Mill> malcom2073: worth picking up a hanson metric set of tap/dies m3-m7
[17:22:52] <Loetmichel2> ... and for that i even made the screw myself ;)
[17:22:55] <malcom2073> Yeah probably heh
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[17:23:46] <Loetmichel2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDcCyF_gVoY <- was to cheap tu buy a cutter for 2 aluminium screws ;)
[17:23:58] <malcom2073> Haha nice
[17:24:21] <Wolf_Mill> lol
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[17:50:50] <malcom2073> Well so much for a productive day
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[18:06:16] <Jymmm> Loetmichel2: =)
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[18:37:03] <Loetmichel2> Jymmm: my grandma always said: "en fuulen arbidder derf net dum sin!" (german dialect, translates to "a lazy worker shouldnt be dumb!"
[18:37:49] <Loetmichel2> ... she is right ;)
[18:38:00] <Loetmichel2> lazy is the mother of all inventions ;)
[18:47:02] <ssi> agreed :P
[18:47:19] <ssi> or as we say here, "if you're gonna be dumb, you'd better be tough"
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[18:54:14] <Wolf_Mill> well that figures, no M3 taps at the hardware store
[18:54:15] <Jymmm> Loetmichel2: Work smarter, not harder =)
[18:54:27] <Loetmichel2> Jymmm: same ;)
[18:54:35] <malcom2073> Hmm, I seem to not actually have a workable boring bar
[18:54:58] <Loetmichel2> Wolf_: what do you want to tap?
[18:55:14] <Wolf_Mill> cast irom mill base
[18:55:20] <Loetmichel2> ieh.
[18:55:22] <Loetmichel2> ok
[18:55:40] <Wolf_Mill> limit/home switch install
[18:55:52] <Loetmichel2> for aluminium i would have said: get an m3 screw, mill a slot in it and then harden it
[18:55:58] <Loetmichel2> works for a few taps
[18:56:12] <Loetmichel2> did that for an acme tap...
[18:56:19] <_methods> http://www.cnx-software.com/pdf/SPARKY-Brochure-rev1.03.pdf
[18:56:39] <_methods> $40
[18:56:53] <Loetmichel2> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=356 <- to make POM nuts
[18:57:56] <Loetmichel2> worked surprisingly well
[18:57:57] <Wolf_Mill> I thought about making lead screw nuts for the acme threaded lead screws on the x1
[18:58:02] <Wolf_Mill> that way
[18:58:17] <Wolf_Mill> out of acetal
[18:58:25] <Loetmichel2> POM is acetal
[18:59:50] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=2mA1vgnpsi4
[18:59:57] <_methods> that looks liek fun
[19:01:52] <Wolf_Mill> https://youtu.be/rT8fqB9GPBM
[19:03:29] <DaViruz> pom is potato in french i believe
[19:03:41] <DaViruz> not very suita le for acme nuts
[19:04:22] <_methods> heh that can't be good for yoru kayak
[19:05:37] <Wolf_Mill> potato might work better then the nuts that come with the seig mills
[19:07:11] <Loetmichel2> PolyOxyMethylene
[19:07:12] <CaptHindsight> "adjust bearing preload and tighten potato"
[19:07:49] <Loetmichel2> quote wikipedia: "Polyoxymethylene (POM), also known as acetal,[1] polyacetal and polyformaldehyde, is an engineering thermoplastic used in precision parts requiring high stiffness, low friction and excellent dimensional stability."
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[19:09:28] <Tom_itx> what was bakelite?
[19:09:47] <Wolf_Mill> smelly
[19:11:18] <skunkworks> circuit boards made with bakelite - don't look at them sideways or the traces would come off..
[19:11:28] <Tom_itx> yup
[19:11:30] <CaptHindsight> bakelite is a thermosetting phenol formaldehyde resin
[19:11:39] <CaptHindsight> good for making old phones
[19:12:09] <Loetmichel2> bakelite was the first "plastic"
[19:12:19] <Tom_itx> pretty much
[19:12:38] <Tom_itx> used alot on pan handles etc
[19:12:51] <Loetmichel2> it is a brittle thing comperable to PMMA in mechanic properties (beside not traslucent)
[19:13:07] <Loetmichel2> but its not a thermoplast
[19:13:19] <PCW> probably better than nitrocellulose for pan handles (another early plastic)
[19:14:09] <Loetmichel2> PCW: i witnessed what happens when a movie theater projector with 5kw lamp acccidentally tries to play a nitrocellulose film
[19:14:17] <Loetmichel2> ... NICE fireworks ;)
[19:14:22] <PCW> Yow
[19:15:02] <Loetmichel2> and that was a WHOLE lot of soot in that projector compartment afterwards ;)
[19:15:23] <PCW> I heard the some early biliiard ball were made of nitrocellulose (and ping pong balls still are AFAIK )
[19:15:32] <Loetmichel2> yes they are
[19:15:36] <Loetmichel2> at lest the better ones
[19:15:42] <Loetmichel2> try to light one up
[19:15:57] <Loetmichel2> but wear welding gear...
[19:15:58] <CaptHindsight> also a popular resin in inks and paint
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[19:16:45] <PCW> yeah pre butyrate model airplane dope
[19:17:01] <Tom_itx> gotta love that stuff
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[19:18:32] <Loetmichel2> bakelite reinforced with some (plant) fibre is a nice stuff tho
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[19:19:43] <Loetmichel2> quite heat reistant, mills nicely if well ventilated area (it stinks when hot) and doesent "crawl" away like other plastics over time
[19:19:58] <zeeshan> stock on mesa website says 9 for 7i77+5i25 kit
[19:20:06] <zeeshan> is it pretty up to date? :D
[19:20:10] <zeeshan> pcw!? :D
[19:20:24] <Tom_itx> you need 10?
[19:20:30] <zeeshan> no
[19:20:48] <zeeshan> i wanna order one , but i think i should wait till i get my lathe
[19:20:52] <zeeshan> to see how many io i need
[19:20:56] <zeeshan> and i need serial expansion
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[19:21:13] <Tom_itx> you can always order more
[19:21:16] <PCW> i jut put some number total so i dont sell out 7I77s the are allocated to dealers
[19:21:18] <zeeshan> and anything fancy fanuc
[19:21:22] <PCW> just
[19:21:53] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: shipping from usa is $$ :)
[19:22:33] <Tom_itx> find a friend across the border and have him bring it to you
[19:22:35] <Contract_Pilot> Ouch! "7I76's are out of stock and it will be about 4 weeks before we have more"
[19:22:59] <Tom_itx> zeeshan and darn slow i might add
[19:23:30] <zeeshan> i was trying to think of an issue in my head -- should i place my solenoid before or after my pressure regulator... i was thinking that if i put it after, it'll be easier to install, but the line between the regulator and solenoid will always contain pressure
[19:23:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.blm.gov/nifc/st/en/prog/fire/gbk/hazardous_materials.html ping pong balls
[19:23:42] <zeeshan> i wonder if that is deterimental.
[19:23:56] <CaptHindsight> PROPER SHIPPING NAME POTASSIUM PERMANGANTE, 5.1, UN1490, II
[19:25:00] <Wolf_Mill> I did mine after the reg
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[19:27:47] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: This is what I get to duplicate on the rear service pole (the 20A breaker) http://i.imgur.com/B0qXNaw.jpg?1
[19:28:26] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: im thinking if you shut your solenoid off
[19:28:43] <zeeshan> and shut the air supply
[19:29:01] <zeeshan> you could still have pressure betwen the reg and solenoid
[19:29:06] <zeeshan> so if you tried to service it, you're get owned
[19:29:12] <zeeshan> its only 30psi
[19:29:14] <zeeshan> but still
[19:29:36] <Wolf_Mill> but, that would show on the reg gauges
[19:30:10] <furrywolf> use a 3-way solenoid that vents when turned off?
[19:30:41] <Wolf_Mill> then when off you would have a leak if you put it in backwards
[19:30:46] <furrywolf> the Mac balanced poppet valves can be plumbed in any configuration
[19:31:24] <Wolf_Mill> I'm using 3 way (on off w/ bleed off)
[19:31:41] <Wolf_Mill> figured if I want the coolant off, I want it to stop quick
[19:32:29] <furrywolf> I'm quite fond of the mac balanced poppet valves. the biggest downside is rebuild parts are hard to get.
[19:33:24] <Wolf_Mill> also happened to be the only solenoid valve I had laying around
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[19:36:03] <zeeshan> i gotsome 3 way valves
[19:36:32] <zeeshan> i will inject air at the NO port, connect common to nozzle
[19:36:36] <zeeshan> and NC to atmosphere
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[19:36:48] <zeeshan> should do the job,
[19:36:55] <zeeshan> but the air will be trapped between regulator and solenoid valve.
[19:37:14] <zeeshan> its pretty easy to bleed, by turning off the air supply manually, and cycling the solenoid
[19:37:32] <furrywolf> eh? you want to apply power to make it stop? (valves being labeled backwards from switches. :)
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[19:38:11] <furrywolf> oh, you're doing something different that I thought.
[19:38:21] <furrywolf> most regulators won't hold pressure in reverse
[19:38:52] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: how close are you to the ocean? Lots of oxidation there!
[19:39:04] <Wolf_Mill> and the low side gauge on the reg will let you know how much pressure is there
[19:39:54] <furrywolf> my usual opinion is that if you're just working with sub-200psi plain air, and it's not actuating something dangerous, trapped pressure isn't a problem.
[19:40:24] <zeeshan> wolf_mill , i agree
[19:40:33] <zeeshan> furrywolf: yea :P
[19:40:37] <zeeshan> i like to overthink
[19:40:45] <zeeshan> if it was a real machine, i'd use 2 solenoids
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[19:40:56] <PetefromTn_> afternoon folks
[19:40:56] <zeeshan> by real i mean something i was making for customers
[19:41:01] <zeeshan> hi pete
[19:41:03] <Wolf_Mill> all shop air items get quick connectors also http://i.imgur.com/fkxm4Dq.jpg
[19:41:03] <furrywolf> if you're actuating something dangerous, then have the off mechanism also vent all the lines. :)
[19:41:30] <PetefromTn_> man I am gonna be machining most of the weekend ;)
[19:41:31] <furrywolf> (and if you're dealing with dangerous gasses, then that's a whole 'nother set of fun)
[19:42:43] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: same here man
[19:42:47] <zeeshan> im not looking forward to it
[19:42:53] <zeeshan> i gotta finish those wood pieces
[19:42:56] <zeeshan> been slacking
[19:43:27] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: did you see the piece i machined yesterday?1
[19:43:27] <furrywolf> you haven't finished your lumps yet?
[19:43:36] <zeeshan> nah been doing other jobs
[19:43:44] <zeeshan> and full time work
[19:44:30] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: http://imgur.com/a/Mj14c
[19:44:40] <zeeshan> i can see reflections on the surface :D
[19:44:54] <furrywolf> oh yeah, you never answered what, exactly, a cup adapter does...
[19:45:04] <zeeshan> no idea
[19:45:07] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I'm at 2900FT elevation =)
[19:45:50] <furrywolf> so... you made parts that you have no idea what they do?
[19:46:02] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I called the pole mfr, he asked the EXACT same question =)
[19:46:45] * furrywolf decides it's not actually for a cup, but for attaching a dildo to a pneumatic ram, and the cup was just a cover story so zee wouldn't know he was making fucking machines
[19:47:04] <zeeshan> i just know its for some lab
[19:47:06] <zeeshan> i didnt design it
[19:47:09] <zeeshan> i just made it to spec
[19:47:42] <zeeshan> DDohw
[19:48:44] <zeeshan> whoever is buying these parts is paying $500 per piece in stainless
[19:48:54] <zeeshan> he wanted them to be made cheaper and in 6061
[19:48:55] <CaptHindsight> is that for adapting different brands of plastic storage containers to other brand lids?
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[19:49:32] <furrywolf> ... I'd make them fo $500 a piece. all day. every day.
[19:49:52] <zeeshan> lol its funny someone would pay 500 per piece for those
[19:49:58] <PetefromTn_> nice man I did not see that
[19:50:01] <PetefromTn_> what is it?
[19:50:15] <Wolf_Mill> probably for a scale of some sort
[19:51:08] <zeeshan> some sort of cup adapter! :P
[19:52:05] <furrywolf> cover story. :P
[19:52:36] <jdh> z has moved from drugs to sex toys?
[19:53:08] <zeeshan> you'd think youd need a lathe for this part
[19:53:21] <zeeshan> but its so much easier to do on the mill
[19:53:34] <zeeshan> well prolly same diffuculty level
[19:54:14] <zeeshan> the groove was done using circ. interpolation and slitting saw
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[19:55:06] <PetefromTn_> nice
[19:55:08] <furrywolf> groove?
[19:55:22] <PetefromTn_> I use a keseat cutter for similar stuff
[19:55:38] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: we dont need a lathe!! :D
[19:55:59] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah right
[19:56:12] <zeeshan> furry its there
[19:56:15] <zeeshan> hard to see in pics
[19:56:19] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/wCUL8WP
[19:56:52] <zeeshan> nice you got it on there
[19:56:57] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/wCUL8WP
[19:57:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah man they fit pretty good.
[19:57:21] <PetefromTn_> Stock cables hook right up
[19:57:27] <zeeshan> bracket pics?
[19:57:35] <PetefromTn_> LOL I forgot to take any
[19:57:38] <zeeshan> damn
[19:57:39] <zeeshan> haha
[19:57:46] <PetefromTn_> they are pretty small actually tho
[19:58:08] <furrywolf> wheel spacers? and... two brake calipers?
[19:58:09] <PetefromTn_> they attach to the suspension mounts on the spindle body
[19:58:34] <zeeshan> ah cool
[19:58:37] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf yeah man
[19:58:46] <PetefromTn_> I did not design it just made what they asked for
[19:58:52] <zeeshan> furrywolf: ones an ebrake caliper
[19:58:53] <PetefromTn_> all wilwood parts tho
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[19:59:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah the little one is the ebrake
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[19:59:22] <zeeshan> okay its home time
[19:59:34] <furrywolf> why would you use a separate caliper? lol
[20:00:03] <Wolf_Mill> racing brake calipers dont have built in parking brakes
[20:00:09] <furrywolf> ah, racing.
[20:01:05] <Wolf_Mill> 4 piston caliper with floating disk is nice
[20:01:07] <furrywolf> my subarus have the ebrake as part of the main caliper
[20:01:09] <PetefromTn_> these are some pretty big brakes for this car and the ones they had on there did not have any Ebrake capabilities. The owner has wanted it for awhile now and they asked me to build something to make it possible
[20:01:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah most cars do
[20:01:38] <PetefromTn_> none of that is stock
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[20:02:21] <furrywolf> does the e-brake caliper automatically adjust?
[20:02:35] <PetefromTn_> this is the car they are putting that monster Rotary motor I worked on in tho.... I am anxious to see how it goes.
[20:02:44] <furrywolf> I mean, to compensate for pad wear?
[20:03:09] <PetefromTn_> this is a cable actuated caliper with hydro hookup too
[20:03:26] <PetefromTn_> I am not sure how they will be setting it up but I know they will be using the cable to actuate it.
[20:03:28] <furrywolf> so you're getting all three pistons with the brake pedal?
[20:03:41] <PetefromTn_> you would if they hook it up that way
[20:03:48] <PetefromTn_> but I am not sure what their plans are.
[20:03:59] <PetefromTn_> mostly they just wanted the Ebrake to work ;)
[20:04:16] <furrywolf> on the ones I've seen with both a cable and hydraulic, they require the hydraulic to adjust, and will quickly stop working, and have no way to adjust them, if the hydraulic isn't hooked up...
[20:04:33] <PetefromTn_> with those massive calipers and rotors braking is NOT gonna be a problem with this car LOL
[20:05:15] <PetefromTn_> yup that stuff is not my problem ;)
[20:05:33] <PetefromTn_> the mechanics over there will deal with making it work properly
[20:05:45] <furrywolf> lol
[20:05:55] <furrywolf> I swapped 4-wheel disc onto the subaru I put the bigger engine in... figured if I have all that extra going power, I should have extra stopping power too. :)
[20:06:07] <PetefromTn_> agreed
[20:06:24] <PetefromTn_> this car will be hopefully close to 1000hp when it is done so it is GONNA NEED IT!
[20:06:28] <Wolf_Mill> drum brakes suck anyways
[20:06:50] <furrywolf> not much work needed... hardest part was finding the right stock-vehicle brake lines to avoid having to make custom ones... found some off a hyundai that had the right ends and length.
[20:06:54] <furrywolf> Wolf_: my truck has 4-wheel drum and it works fine. :P
[20:07:08] <furrywolf> AND it saves you having to get a gym membership! :P
[20:07:12] <Wolf_Mill> didnt say they dont work
[20:08:10] <furrywolf> stopping is a good lower-body working, and turning is a good upper-body workout. :P
[20:09:04] <Wolf_Mill> '69 bronco is getting 4 wheel disk w/ hydroboot
[20:09:31] <furrywolf> with the stock tires it wasn't too bad... but the 38.5" swampers makes 3-point turns on pavement much fun.
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[20:13:23] <furrywolf> I might stick 44s on one of these days... that's the biggest you can fit with just wheel spacers and no lift.
[20:13:32] <furrywolf> you can fit them with no wheel spacers, but you can't turn. :)
[20:14:07] <furrywolf> rather than wheel spacers, I'll recenter some hmmwv beadlocks.
[20:14:34] <Wolf_Mill> best way imo
[20:14:52] <furrywolf> which is?
[20:15:12] <Wolf_Mill> recentered hmmwv 3 peice
[20:15:59] <furrywolf> and I'll keep the rubber inserts too. I'm not worried about weight. I _like_ not ruining the tire if it suddenly loses air for some reason...
[20:16:11] <furrywolf> for some reason people pull out the rubber inserts and stuff drain pipe in there instead.
[20:16:25] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, only reason for that is rock crawlers
[20:16:59] <furrywolf> unless you're running tiny tires, there's no way you'd ever air down enough to touch the insert.
[20:17:40] <Wolf_Mill> most crawlers aren't running really big tires
[20:18:42] <furrywolf> most people aren't crawling in a vehicle that came with 35" tires stock. :)
[20:18:57] <Wolf_Mill> there is that lol
[20:19:05] <furrywolf> and the stock tires look tiny on it!
[20:20:15] <Wolf_Mill> reason I like the early bronco, looks beast with just 33-35" tires on it
[20:20:48] <furrywolf> LOL! I'm trying to find a photo of a truck like mine with stock tires, and can't find a single one.
[20:20:57] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[20:21:19] <furrywolf> seems approximately 100% of the ones out there have larger tires fitted. :)
[20:21:27] <Wolf_Mill> what is it?
[20:21:40] <furrywolf> here we go... http://www.vintagemilitarytrucks.com/1969_M715_Kaiser_Jeep_Vin_34264_Yukon_01.jpg
[20:21:49] <furrywolf> don't those look too little to you? :P
[20:22:07] <furrywolf> those nice huge wheel arches with nothing in them...
[20:22:09] <Wolf_Mill> yeah lol
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[20:23:48] <furrywolf> http://s395.photobucket.com/user/rollie715/media/m715/M715_Overall.jpg.html and don't 44s just look right at home? :)
[20:24:15] <furrywolf> although that one's lifted.
[20:24:45] <furrywolf> the only vehicle I know of where 44s fit nicely inside the wheel arches.
[20:25:00] <Wolf_Mill> I like these (friend of mine) https://instagram.com/p/pqCT78IrWg/
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[20:25:42] <gonzo_nb> I was going to ask, special or magnum
[20:26:57] <furrywolf> looks like one of the newer m35 variants, probably a 5-ton, fitted with super-singles and ctis? shiny.
[20:27:12] <Wolf_Mill> spot on
[20:27:15] <Wolf_Mill> http://www.blackrockfab.com/
[20:27:23] <Wolf_Mill> they make nice toys
[20:28:04] <furrywolf> I wouldn't mind an m35a2. I want the white multifuel.
[20:28:25] <furrywolf> absolutely not going to bob it. what a way to ruin a truck! it's not a 2.5 ton anymore, it's a 1-ton. barely.
[20:28:55] <Wolf_Mill> pretty sure thats a bobbed 5ton
[20:30:09] <furrywolf> good to know I'm not the only total redneck in here. :P
[20:30:26] <furrywolf> although I could see PetefromTn_ going shipping in a m35...
[20:30:28] <furrywolf> shopping
[20:30:29] <XXCoder> lol found forum post of "A more important question is what the hell does your avatar mean? " and guy avatar was showing old color test for tv screen image
[20:30:44] <XXCoder> offically old, I am. lol
[20:31:11] <furrywolf> that's what it IS... but what does it MEAN?
[20:31:34] <XXCoder> interesting, bobbing
[20:32:22] <furrywolf> what does that avatar say about the person who selected it? is it a homage to past employment? a statement that life is but a test, with their efforts fading into a void of nothingness like so many radio waves unto the vastness of space?
[20:32:48] <Wolf_Mill> you might be a redneck if you have had the county called on you for having too many untagged vechicals in the yard lol
[20:32:51] <XXCoder> or guy just randomly selected it
[20:32:53] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ping
[20:33:45] <furrywolf> Wolf_: I haven't, but most of the people I know have.
[20:33:46] <furrywolf> does that count?
[20:34:19] <Wolf_Mill> hehe, I got my visit from zoning last month, but still havent gotten a letter from them...
[20:34:40] <furrywolf> you know you're a redneck when you own green hardware. :)
[20:34:59] <Wolf_Mill> lol TSC?
[20:35:41] <furrywolf> TSC?
[20:35:54] <Jymmm> Tractor Supply Hardware
[20:35:59] <Wolf_Mill> tractor supply co
[20:36:14] <Jymmm> The redneck version of harbor freight
[20:36:19] <Wolf_Mill> all their grade 5 nuts/bolts are green
[20:36:50] <furrywolf> oh
[20:37:04] <furrywolf> "green" is also used to the refer to the color of all ex-military vehicles and equipment...
[20:37:11] <furrywolf> someone who has green hardware has old military crap. :)
[20:37:12] <Wolf_Mill> ahh :)
[20:37:26] <furrywolf> "olive drab" is more accurate, but doesn't sound as nice. :P
[20:37:49] <PetefromTn_> BBL folks going out to dinner...
[20:38:06] * furrywolf notes pete didn't deny that he'd go shopping in a m35
[20:38:17] <PetefromTn_> kaiser?
[20:38:28] <furrywolf> no. the big 2.5ton 6x6
[20:38:39] <PetefromTn_> hell yeah man I would rock it ;)
[20:39:08] <furrywolf> figured. :)
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[20:39:23] <furrywolf> I've seen them going shopping here occasionally... they take four parking spots. :)
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[20:45:02] <XXCoder> was wondering a bit
[20:45:09] <XXCoder> we got a apple tree
[20:45:23] <XXCoder> whats best way to make sure apples dont have bugs and grow good apples?
[20:46:05] <furrywolf> that depends on your definition of best.
[20:46:19] <furrywolf> many people decide on "cover it in a hundred gallons of toxic chemicals".
[20:46:48] <furrywolf> after all, your apples won't have bugs if every single bug within 100ft dies.
[20:47:19] <XXCoder> yeah. sounds like bit of overkill. whats other methods
[20:48:10] <furrywolf> read a book on organic gardening. :)
[20:48:50] <XXCoder> those apples is pretty unique
[20:49:07] <XXCoder> tastes almost like red delious but are green and smaller
[20:49:24] <XXCoder> personally I prefer granny smith
[20:50:02] <Jymmm> honeycrisp apples!!!
[20:50:07] <furrywolf> apples come in many, many varieties... and if you plant them from seeds, you have no idea what you're going to get.
[20:50:19] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah its a random roll
[20:50:45] <XXCoder> Jymmm: not that red
[20:50:57] <XXCoder> unless youre saying what your fav is :D
[20:51:04] <furrywolf> as far as I know, all commercially available apple trees are clones.
[20:51:16] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah they transplant branches
[20:51:22] <XXCoder> only way to get same apple
[20:51:28] <XXCoder> if by seed its a roll
[20:51:48] <furrywolf> a friend of mine has been playing with grafting his own apple trees... I think he has one with five varieties of apple on it now. :)
[20:51:56] <XXCoder> nice
[20:52:00] <XXCoder> tree of life lol
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[20:52:17] <XXCoder> you can transport pretty many kinds of fruit to one tree
[20:52:20] <furrywolf> I want to try grafting peppers and tomatos to each other. it's apparantly doable. you can get both from one plant if you do it right.
[20:52:31] <XXCoder> theres one company that sells special tree tjhat have bunch
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[20:55:17] <Jymmm> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Connecticut-Electric-60-Amp-RV-Panel-Outlet-with-50-Amp-Receptacle-Breakers-and-GFCI-Duplex-CESMPSC55GRHR/100669936
[20:55:44] <XXCoder> furrywolf: https://www.fruitsaladtrees.com/
[20:56:32] <JT-MOBILE> A brunch tree?
[20:57:32] <Jymmm> Awwww, AU =(
[20:58:01] <furrywolf> make your own.
[21:02:05] <furrywolf> I haven't tried grafting yet, but I've cloned peppers... peppers clone excellently.
[21:02:33] <furrywolf> if I ever accidentally break off a branch, or if I have to cut one due to a diseased stem, I always stick them in soil... and at least 90% of the time they take.
[21:02:43] <Deejay> gn8
[21:02:57] <XXCoder> yeah some plants is pretty amazing strong on surivial
[21:03:00] <furrywolf> tomatos too
[21:03:14] <XXCoder> probably due to evolution from all that constant plant war with each other.
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[21:07:07] <furrywolf> most of my starts died this year... my back got fucked up before I got them planted.
[21:07:28] <XXCoder> aw that sucks.
[21:07:39] <XXCoder> one of things I want to try is grow gourds
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[21:08:02] <furrywolf> I'm not a squash fan.
[21:08:02] <XXCoder> just for fun as it dont make food
[21:08:20] <furrywolf> I've tried growing melons, but have yet to get a single one. the climate here is not suitable for them it seems.
[21:08:21] <Jymmm> What would be on the OUTSIDE of the wall to that bottom connector?
[21:08:22] <XXCoder> there is variants thats grown not for food but for tough container when it dies
[21:08:30] <Jymmm> http://www.crodog.org/garage/electric%2010.jpg
[21:09:02] <furrywolf> usually my attempts at melons die before ever setting fruit... the largest fruit I've managed to get is a 1" watermelon before it died.
[21:09:22] <XXCoder> http://www.wikihow.com/Grow-Gourds
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[21:23:58] <zeeshan> i hate frigging hate wood
[21:24:05] <zeeshan> !
[21:24:21] <zeeshan> all the wood block pieces he gave me
[21:24:23] <MacGalempsy> good afternoon
[21:24:26] <zeeshan> have at least .25" variance
[21:24:29] <zeeshan> in thickness
[21:24:37] <zeeshan> im trying to do the first op
[21:24:38] <MacGalempsy> use a surface planer
[21:24:46] <zeeshan> the mid line line keeps changing
[21:24:47] <zeeshan> lol
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[21:25:43] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[21:26:15] <furrywolf> welcome to wood. :P
[21:26:15] <Wolf_Mill> just X from the corners, or are you setting up to bore them?
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[21:29:00] <JT-MOBILE> Only a 1/4" variance in wood?
[21:30:13] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/vGypNUD.png
[21:30:15] <zeeshan> op that i am doing
[21:31:40] * furrywolf thinks zee is good enough at his job to figure it out. :P
[21:31:40] <furrywolf> or, get a vise that clamps from both sides at once.
[21:32:01] <furrywolf> or, just clamp them all in the same spot, not care about being centered, and just profile off a lot on one side. :P
[21:32:20] <zeeshan> :P
[21:32:23] <Wolf_Mill> just put the damn line them asymetric and use two sides as your reference planes
[21:32:26] <zeeshan> the way ive been doing them
[21:32:36] <zeeshan> is i've zeroed one coordinate against the fixed vise jaw
[21:32:43] <zeeshan> then i measure the part with the caliper
[21:32:47] <furrywolf> "
[21:32:48] <furrywolf> 10W LED bulb is as bright as 100w halogen bulbs.
[21:32:51] <zeeshan> go to the coordinate
[21:32:55] <furrywolf> Brightness:500 Lumens
[21:33:00] <zeeshan> and adjust offset
[21:33:19] <Wolf_Mill> too much work :P
[21:33:24] <zeeshan> exactly
[21:33:28] <zeeshan> i only got 30 more to go! :P
[21:33:29] <furrywolf> you didn't get what I said... as long as the part is thick enough, you don't need to be centered.
[21:33:33] <Wolf_Mill> finished parts are all the same size
[21:33:39] <zeeshan> furrywolf: it's not thick enough
[21:33:44] <zeeshan> otherwise i woulda not cared :P
[21:33:56] <furrywolf> just start offset, and let the profiling remove all the extra.
[21:34:07] <furrywolf> if it's not thick enough, being centered won't help. :P
[21:34:07] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan: how did that lathe look?
[21:34:13] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: i bought it :P
[21:34:18] <MacGalempsy> nice.
[21:34:27] <Wolf_Mill> both wolves said the same thing, just diffrent wording lol
[21:34:27] <MacGalempsy> got a pic of it in your garage?
[21:34:34] <zeeshan> MacGalempsy: not yet
[21:34:36] <zeeshan> it comes in 3 weeks
[21:34:40] <zeeshan> im trying to finish all these jobs first
[21:34:45] <zeeshan> so i can concentrate on the lathe
[21:34:56] <zeeshan> + im looking for a cheap rigger
[21:34:57] * furrywolf thinks irc needs more wolves. :)
[21:35:09] <XXCoder> two wolf here so far
[21:35:11] <zeeshan> im just complaining mates
[21:35:19] <zeeshan> ive soerted the woord pieces
[21:35:26] <zeeshan> so they're within 1/16 of each other
[21:35:30] <furrywolf> lol
[21:35:36] <zeeshan> so i dont have to set the offset a bunch of itmes
[21:35:37] <MacGalempsy> yah. wolf.0 , wolf.1 , etc...
[21:35:44] <XXCoder> not sure if need more wolves, I already bring in too many deers for meals for you guys already ;)
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[21:35:52] <furrywolf> so some of them are undersized, so you end up with the sides not to profile?
[21:36:00] <zeewolf> ya
[21:36:04] <zeewolf> so im doing all the undersized ones first
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[21:36:10] <Wolf_Mill> lmao
[21:36:21] <furrywolf> lol
[21:36:21] <furrywolf> yay!
[21:36:26] XXCoder is now known as XXWolf
[21:36:30] <XXWolf> as well as do it :P
[21:36:31] <zeewolf> haha
[21:36:32] <zeewolf> :D
[21:36:43] <zeewolf> we are a pact
[21:36:47] <zeewolf> we live and die together
[21:36:52] <furrywolf> as long as you're not XXXWolf... that's probably already taken. and for a different channel. :P
[21:36:59] <XXWolf> lol
[21:37:06] <JT-MOBILE> Zee doing the cape thingys
[21:37:07] <XXWolf> hey softporn has its own place
[21:37:21] <zeewolf> JT-MOBILE: huh :D
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[21:37:27] <JT-MOBILE> Vape
[21:37:31] <zeewolf> yes jt
[21:37:33] <zeewolf> need to get em done
[21:37:34] <furrywolf> ...soft? you seen some of the crap out there? I don't even like porn, and I've seen enough to tell you that "soft" doesn't describe it. :P
[21:37:42] <JT-MOBILE> Damn spellchecker
[21:37:47] <XXWolf> lol
[21:37:51] <furrywolf> does the phrase "shitting dick nipples" mean anything to you?
[21:37:59] <XXWolf> was kidding. XX means something other than softporn
[21:38:14] <furrywolf> if not, don't google it. mindbleach is expensive. :P
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[21:39:41] <zeewolf> haha
[21:39:48] <zeewolf> linuxcncwolf?
[21:40:05] <JT-Wolf> Lol
[21:40:13] <Wolf_Mill> now we wait for noob to come in and ask something, tell them to ask that wolf guy
[21:40:19] <zeewolf> haha
[21:40:22] <JT-Wolf> Lol
[21:40:27] <XXWolf> lol
[21:40:40] <furrywolf> lol
[21:40:52] <wolfwolfeye> lol
[21:41:16] <mac_wolf> nice
[21:41:20] <zeewolf> now im getting confused
[21:41:29] <JT-Wolf> Lol
[21:41:43] <mac_wolf> now its really a wolf pack
[21:41:52] <JT-Wolf> Aye
[21:42:10] <zeewolf> just let one of those 3d printing bastards come in here
[21:42:11] <zeewolf> just watch
[21:42:17] <zeewolf> they're done
[21:42:36] <mac_wolf> Run with the big dogs, or go sit on the porch
[21:43:15] * furrywolf puts on Jefferson Starship - When I Was a Boy I Watched the Wolves
[21:44:19] <mac_wolf> so my mate in Vietnam is trying to get us to come back for another tour to go caving. http://oxalis.com.vn/
[21:44:49] <mac_wolf> that cave looks like a good den
[21:45:41] <furrywolf> I've only ever been in a real cave once, and it was the tourist-grade tour of mammoth caverns.
[21:46:07] <furrywolf> (the one with the lighted path, and a guide that brings up the rear that we had to work really hard to escape from)
[21:46:12] <mac_wolf> I would like to check out Mammoth cave
[21:46:42] <JT-Wolf> Bunch of caves around here
[21:46:45] <XXWolf> I watched "too many cooks" before but just read more info on it. amazing. lol
[21:46:52] <XXWolf> https://imgur.com/a/Q4Jcz
[21:47:53] <mac_wolf> wth?
[21:48:08] <XXWolf> mac_wolf: you should watch it in least once. so funny
[21:48:36] <mac_wolf> what is the show name?
[21:48:39] <furrywolf> bbl
[21:48:53] <XXWolf> mac_wolf: its one off. "too many cooks"
[21:48:58] <mac_wolf> ah ok
[21:49:11] <mac_wolf> will do
[21:49:20] <XXWolf> mac_wolf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8
[21:49:44] <JT-Wolf> Thai dinner time
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[22:00:45] <XXWolf> mac_wolf: when done watching read this http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1860-5-realities-viral-hit-from-too-many-cooks-guy.html
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[22:07:14] <enleth> So, I took apart the rusty VariDrive. By the means of penetrative oil spray and percussive maintenance with a huge wooden mallet, applied in an alternating sequence, for six consecutive hours.
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[22:09:26] <enleth> It looks like I should be able to salvage the whole thing.
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[22:16:45] <Praesmeodymium> wow 6 hours of percussive maintanence? yer wife must be jealous
[22:18:24] <_methods> hahah
[22:23:02] <enleth> Praesmeodymium: unfortunately, it's difficult to compete with a mallet when it comes to possessing some hard wood for a long time.
[22:25:54] <Praesmeodymium> yeah that blue pill only works for so long
[22:26:44] <XXWolf> strap-ons :P
[22:28:11] <mac_wolf> is there a calibration for the spindle, like there are for the other axii?
[22:28:37] <Praesmeodymium> theres a convo going on in #reprap that just painful to watch, would anyone have a decent explantion of the usage of g43.1?
[22:29:34] <_methods> https://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=823374
[22:29:40] <_methods> all the answers they seek are there
[22:29:56] <_methods> but they won't read it
[22:30:06] <_methods> because they're morons
[22:30:14] <Praesmeodymium> I know trtfm is against reprap code of conduct
[22:30:27] <Praesmeodymium> if you read the manual you admit to being a moron
[22:30:37] <Wolf_Mill> why the hell would you need tool offset on a reprap?
[22:30:39] <Praesmeodymium> or thats the fucked up thought process
[22:31:04] <Praesmeodymium> its not for a reprap he wants to do some realtime z adjustments for a cutter
[22:31:17] <XXWolf> that pdf dont have anything on 43.1
[22:31:50] <Praesmeodymium> 43.1 is linuxncnc and grbl only from my reading
[22:32:02] <Wolf_Mill> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G43_1
[22:32:03] <Praesmeodymium> my super quick google fu I mean
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[22:33:02] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, my cam soft handles all the offsets
[22:33:26] <Praesmeodymium> I was telling him our hosts are far too stupid they are terminal programs
[22:33:43] <Praesmeodymium> I wasnt going to suggest linuxcnc because I didnt want to inflict him on this room
[22:33:59] <_methods> hahah
[22:34:01] <_methods> thank you
[22:43:21] <mac_wolf> zeewolf: so what all does your lathe need to be up and going?
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[22:44:08] <mac_wolf> other than delivery?
[22:44:38] <Wolf_Mill> everything?
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[22:50:15] <tiwake> dodododo
[22:50:28] <tiwake> had NSC swing by my shop again for a quick fix
[22:50:54] <tiwake> told them to just take it, hardly worth spending the time to write up a bill
[22:51:24] <tiwake> but next time they were getting billed for double... hehe (as a joke)
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[22:57:41] <furrywolf> mmm, strapons. :P
[22:59:01] <furrywolf> hrmm, now that there's more wolves, people other than me are bringing up strapons... is liking strapons a property of being a wolf? :P
[22:59:48] <Tom_wolf> clearly not
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[23:06:27] <Roguish> here's a good one. wonder what software it runs on? http://www.gizmag.com/wasp-big-delta-3d-printer-clay-housing/39414/pictures#6
[23:07:26] <furrywolf> argh... I want to take pictures of a generator to sell it, but I can't move it because my back doesn't work.
[23:07:39] <furrywolf> I might need to prioritize getting my autocrane installed and working.
[23:08:10] <furrywolf> of course, I can't move that either.
[23:09:27] <Wolf_Mill> hmm there is a idea, make a gantry crane/3d printer in the shop?
[23:11:30] <tiwake> Wolf_Mill: there are such things already
[23:11:49] <tiwake> big enough to 3D print a house
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[23:14:10] <furrywolf> hrmm, I don't know if either speedwolf or evilwolf is a good nick...
[23:14:34] <Tom_itx> wolfman jack was cool
[23:14:45] <wolfwolfeye> ask for donna
[23:15:23] <rootB> hey linuxcnc, does LinuxCNC has any plugin to mill PCB'S like mach3?
[23:15:57] <XXWolf> im sure theres pcb to NC programs out there
[23:16:05] <XXWolf> plugin may exist dunno
[23:16:32] <rootB> I mean an auto height plugin
[23:17:37] <Tom_itx> you could write one then there would be
[23:18:35] <rootB> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?PCB_Milling_And_Drilling_With_Cheap_And_Simple_Height-Probing
[23:18:36] <rootB> found it
[23:24:40] <enleth> Ah, crap. I have to find a locally available replacement for Lubriplate 105. The grease in the change gear compartment is so dried out that it formed a crust and then contraction cracks in it.
[23:25:09] <enleth> Still soft and, well, greasy, but I don't think I should trust it to work well if I just mix it around and repack.
[23:25:57] <XXWolf> just strip and re-grease
[23:26:34] <furrywolf> I usually use superlube synthetic grease for gearboxes.
[23:26:37] <enleth> XXWolf: with a new grease, that is, right?
[23:26:51] <enleth> So I have to find a compatible type.
[23:26:51] <XXWolf> nah, find some under your truck
[23:26:56] <XXWolf> of course, new lol
[23:27:09] <enleth> Or order Lubriplate from the US.
[23:27:23] <enleth> And pay more for shipping than the grease.
[23:27:31] <XXWolf> you worked hard on gettng it apart as well as grease it up
[23:27:40] <XXWolf> *with new grease after cleaning
[23:27:55] <furrywolf> http://www.super-lube.com/ that stuff
[23:29:23] <furrywolf> http://www.super-lube.com/synthetic-multipurpose-grease-ezp-49.html
[23:32:21] <furrywolf> lubriplate 105 googles as engine assembley lube, not anything I'd put in a gearbox...
[23:34:24] <furrywolf> B-105 is apparantly the gear lube
[23:34:26] <furrywolf> stupid naming, that.
[23:36:09] <furrywolf> I'm glad all my machine needs is oil, and it pumps it everywhere. lol
[23:36:21] <trentster> Anyone have a simple how-to for adding an auto z-height probe script/button to axis UI?
[23:36:38] <trentster> I am trying to tackle the 800 page manual but its a bit overwhelming
[23:38:10] <furrywolf> I'd still use superlube. I've had very good luck with it on low and medium speed gearboxes.
[23:39:31] <Wolf_> auto z height? like a damn reprap?
[23:40:58] <Praesmeodymium> the reprap hate is strong in here ;)
[23:41:12] <Wolf_> funny part is
[23:41:42] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/oKJDquG.jpg
[23:41:47] <trentster> I mean instructions for LinuxCNC similar to what they have here for Mach3 http://www.cncrouterparts.com/auto-z-touch-plate-instructions-p-291.html
[23:42:33] <trentster> I just want a button in the UI that says e.g "Probe" click it and it lowers the tool until it hits the probe and triggers the pin low
[23:43:11] <trentster> It would also be useful to have a continuity light in the ui to show the probe is active
[23:43:35] <furrywolf> the more I google about greasing bridgeports, the more I'm glad I have a normal pumped oil system. lol
[23:43:40] <Wolf_> plug it in to the homing switch input, use it as part of the homing sequence with home location offset
[23:44:13] <furrywolf> it has an oil reservoir, with a sight glass. you fill it to the middle of the glass. it works. :)
[23:44:56] <Wolf_> one shot oiler, I think you can add that to anything
[23:47:41] <Wolf_> trentster: info is out there, I think I saw it somewhere for a tool touch off plate
[23:47:59] <furrywolf> no, for the spindle gearbox, it's a pumped system.
[23:47:59] <furrywolf> continuous
[23:48:38] <Wolf_> oh, so wet gear box vs crusty grease
[23:50:21] <trentster> Wolf_: thanks - back to google I guess
[23:50:52] <furrywolf> exactly
[23:51:13] <furrywolf> a much saner design. :)
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[23:53:13] <furrywolf> somehow, for reasons I have no answer for, the charger for my digital camera is missing. the cord is still plugged in... but there's no charger on the other end.
[23:53:17] <furrywolf> it is not on the floor, or anywhere else it could have fallen or been knocked to. it must have become tangled in something else, and now is who the fuck knows where.
[23:53:18] <JT-Wolf> You should have seen the manual when it was 3x800 pages
[23:56:02] <furrywolf> how the hell can the charger vanish without the cable?
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[23:59:47] <CaptHindsight> gremlins