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[00:00:16] <malcom2073> Ah gotcha
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[00:02:25] <Wolf_> kinda surprised that no one went after that interapid @ $150
[00:03:58] * furrywolf keeps checking email hoping for quick response from lathe person
[00:04:48] <Wolf_> having nice measurement gear, I’m pretty sure I’m gonna get annoyed at my mill and lathe quickly lol
[00:06:02] <furrywolf> that's the best way to keep your mill and lathe accurate... don't buy any expensive test equipment. :P
[00:06:28] <Wolf_> stick with the china marked di
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[00:10:41] <furrywolf> email needs a "hurry up and answer!" button.
[00:10:46] * enleth just discovered some idiot's "repairs" in the bport's spindle transmission
[00:11:06] <enleth> looks like I'll have to ditch VariSpeed and just install a VFD and a toothed belt with new pulleys
[00:11:33] <enleth> It's repairable, but probably not worth it.
[00:11:52] <zeeshan> hi all
[00:12:06] <MacGalempsy> hi zeeshan
[00:12:15] <furrywolf> enleth: I found my knee elevator didn't work because someone fixed it... by goobering the wrong things with non-adhered welds, in the process fucking up a shaft and burning through two oil lines.
[00:12:27] <furrywolf> very often the biggest problem with things is someone fixed them.
[00:12:52] <zeeshan> vfd ftw!
[00:12:56] <furrywolf> zeeshan: get your new lathe? :P
[00:13:01] <zeeshan> furrywolf:
[00:13:02] <zeeshan> guess what!!!!!!!!1
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[00:13:06] <zeeshan> the deal went through
[00:13:06] <zeeshan> :D
[00:13:10] <zeeshan> so i am getting it
[00:13:14] <Wolf_> nice
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[00:13:20] <enleth> My olny qualm about ditching VariSpeed is that it does give a mechanical advantage at low speeds
[00:13:25] <furrywolf> how much did you spend, how much is wrong with it, and how many mesa products will it take before it has a working control? :P
[00:13:34] <furrywolf> enleth: how badly damaged is it?
[00:13:42] <Wolf_> all the mesa
[00:13:43] <enleth> So having a working CVT *and* a VFD is the best of both worlds.
[00:14:19] <zeeshan> furrywolf: apparently x axis ball nut has balls that jumped
[00:14:25] <zeeshan> i don't really believe that though
[00:14:28] <furrywolf> my mill has a mechanical transmission, 50-1800rpm... and it's quite scary at both of those. at 50, you KNOW it'll snap SOMETHING before it stalls. and at 1800, it does the jet engine spinup thing while all the lights dim and room buzzes for 5+ seconds...
[00:14:30] <zeeshan> we'll see
[00:14:34] <zeeshan> it was 4000
[00:14:38] <zeeshan> but it's everything i was looking for
[00:14:43] <zeeshan> except live tooling and sub spindle
[00:14:47] <furrywolf> not a bad price. re-controling it I assume?
[00:14:51] <zeeshan> yea
[00:14:57] <zeeshan> prolly will sell al lthe old control components
[00:15:04] <zeeshan> but ill study them first since i get the manuals with it
[00:15:13] <zeeshan> first job is to strip it down
[00:15:18] <zeeshan> and make the machine more compact
[00:15:20] <enleth> furrywolf: well, you *can* just set it in the middle of the range and use the VFD if you *don't* want the added torque
[00:15:41] <furrywolf> I just sent someone on craigslist an email about lathes they have for sale, offering a honda generator or a miller welder as a trade.
[00:15:50] <zeeshan> yea i saw
[00:15:53] <zeeshan> whats wrong with the shoptask?
[00:15:53] <zeeshan> :P
[00:15:59] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/wan/5225268017.html not nearly as shiny as yours, but hopefully much cheaper.
[00:16:07] <furrywolf> it's small and chinese.
[00:16:22] <furrywolf> and CNC. I'll keep that lathe manual if I get it.
[00:16:28] <enleth> First of all, there is some corrosion, as the idiot did not reinstall some of the gaskets and covers, and somehow the mill was subjected to some water falling on the head. Probably not rain, as nothing else on the whole mill shows any signs of water entering anywhere.
[00:16:57] <furrywolf> some corrosion is usually not a major issue.
[00:17:22] <enleth> Most importantly, the pulleys have some sufrace rust on the bearing surfaces and the motor shaft has enough of it that the lower, moving half of the pulley is stuck
[00:17:41] <furrywolf> also not a major issue.
[00:17:50] <enleth> The upper is stuck as well, I tried removing it but it's no go, will have to heat it up or something
[00:18:06] <zeeshan> how much did you pay for this machine?
[00:18:16] <furrywolf> I've spent a couple hours with a file trying to clean up a goobered shaft through a little access window, and it still won't come out. :P
[00:18:22] <Wolf_> penetrating oil and try again after a few hours imo
[00:18:27] <enleth> The adjustment plate is chipped in places, and the part it pushes on - I forgot the name - has threads stripped.
[00:18:31] <Wolf_> for enleth
[00:18:53] <enleth> And both pneumatic actuators were throughoutly filled with water and rust
[00:19:03] <enleth> They are dead, no doubts
[00:19:07] <furrywolf> (all those hours with the pure wand pays off in the form of strong wrists...)
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[00:19:33] <enleth> Wolf_: I left it soaked in WD-40, had nothing better handy
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[00:19:54] <Wolf_> ick, but yeah better then nothing
[00:20:00] <enleth> Oh, and all the alignment pins between housing sections are either missing or sheared off
[00:20:20] <enleth> So the idiot couldn't even disassemble it properly even though he had the service manual
[00:20:35] <enleth> Which clearly states where to tap with a wooden hamer to loosen it all up
[00:20:59] <furrywolf> I'm becoming increasingly impressed with Tri-Flow penetrating lube. I sprayed some on the mechanism of a chain comealong I got at a yard sale. It has a 6ft chain in it, sticking about 3ft out either side. ever since I sprayed the mechanism, it's been slowly creeping along the chain! the chain is wet for close to 2ft now...
[00:21:01] <zeeshan> Wolf_: what notcher do you use
[00:21:05] <enleth> zeeshan: an equivalent of $1800
[00:21:15] <Wolf_> I have a pro-tools one
[00:21:17] <zeeshan> enleth doh =/
[00:21:33] <zeeshan> looks pretty standard
[00:21:38] <zeeshan> almost like jd2 one
[00:21:46] <furrywolf> enleth: the reason the shaft is goobered on mine is because the person who "fixed" it didn't bother removing it to access the part he was trying to weld, and instead tried welding around it. Removing the shaft is ONE SCREW, and clearly documented in the manual.
[00:21:47] <enleth> zeeshan: but the seller was not the actual previous owner and he didn't know what he had
[00:21:56] <Wolf_> mine does have the thing for offset notch
[00:22:01] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: wanna see my old tube notcher? :P
[00:22:02] <enleth> zeeshan: it's a Series 1 MDI
[00:22:17] <zeeshan> enleth: oh its cnc
[00:22:18] <enleth> zeeshan: with fully working control, one of those rare CNC-manual hybrids
[00:22:20] <zeeshan> thats a pretty decent deal for it
[00:22:34] <enleth> zeeshan: this is an understatement
[00:22:38] <furrywolf> enleth: obviously the whole mill is trash... I'll give you a few bucks for shipping and take it off your hands free of charge. :P
[00:22:50] <zeeshan> whatcha mean
[00:23:16] <enleth> zeeshan: it's got ballscrews, brakes on every axis and handwheels that engage on demand
[00:23:32] <zeeshan> Wolf_:
[00:23:34] <enleth> So the Y axis handwheel is not a ball buster
[00:23:37] <Wolf_> lol, furrywolf, you don’t want to know what the shipping is going to be to get that from enleth
[00:23:37] <zeeshan> http://i48.tinypic.com/16kzvnq.png
[00:23:45] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/pipe_in_jig_zpscd6242dc.jpg
[00:23:56] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/notched2_zps5d407859.jpg
[00:23:57] <zeeshan> :D
[00:23:59] <furrywolf> Wolf_: a few bucks. I already said that. he's responsible for the rest. :P
[00:24:11] <Wolf_> haha
[00:24:20] <enleth> zeeshan: https://gallery.hackerspace.pl/Bridgeport - delivery and initial disassembly, if you're interested
[00:24:30] <zeeshan> i would never buy a bridgeport
[00:24:32] <zeeshan> they arent rigid enough
[00:24:36] <enleth> zeeshan: I had to disassemble it to get it inside, and it needed a lot of cleaning anyway
[00:24:49] <furrywolf> zeeshan: you'd like my B&S. it's stupidly rigid.
[00:24:54] <Wolf_> lol zeeshan, thats what I was telling pete to do with the lathe
[00:24:59] <enleth> zeeshan: this one has quite a bit more iron than a typical bport
[00:25:17] <zeeshan> enleth: ive worked with series 1 before
[00:25:25] <enleth> zeeshan: the knee ways are wider, saddle is bulkier, and it's a rigid ram
[00:25:48] <zeeshan> enleth: my idea of rigid is a machine like pete has
[00:25:51] <zeeshan> or the mikron or the deckels
[00:25:58] <furrywolf> and I've grown quite fond of the mechanical 50-1800 rpm spindle gearbox.
[00:26:16] <furrywolf> someone I know was testing it by seeing what it could break at 50rpm. lol
[00:26:28] <enleth> zeeshan: well, it's still more rigid than a typical manual Bridgeport and certainly rigid enough for my needs
[00:26:40] <zeeshan> then dont sell it :P
[00:27:04] <enleth> Until I saw the offer on a local auction site, I was actually considering one of the Sieg's manuual benchtop mills
[00:27:14] <enleth> It would have been more expensive
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[00:27:46] <enleth> It would have fit through the door too, but oh well
[00:27:50] <andypugh> that’s me, testing something
[00:28:01] <webchar> and me again
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[00:28:26] <enleth> But the next time I have to move the workshop, I'm not dismantling it.
[00:28:46] <enleth> It's easier to take down a wall to let a forklift in and then rebuild it
[00:29:00] <zeeshan> enleth: that is a nice machine, just saw the pics
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[00:29:13] <zeeshan> but when i was talking about rigidty, i wasnt talking about the mass of the machine
[00:29:18] <enleth> zeeshan: yeah. It was just unspeakably dirty.
[00:29:19] <furrywolf> taking down walls with a forklift is EASY. it often happens by accident, in fact. it's putting them back together that takes longer. :P
[00:29:19] <zeeshan> the r8 spindle taper is the prob
[00:29:26] <enleth> zeeshan: what R8?
[00:29:33] <enleth> zeeshan: it's QC 30
[00:29:38] <zeeshan> oh!
[00:29:43] <furrywolf> zeeshan: you'd like my b&s. 40. :P
[00:29:46] <zeeshan> i thought series 1 was r8
[00:29:52] <zeeshan> series 2 came with #40
[00:30:03] <zeeshan> maybe it was an option
[00:30:04] <enleth> zeeshan: the manual head models, yeah
[00:30:19] <enleth> zeeshan: but the CNC/MDI heads were QC 30
[00:30:20] <furrywolf> mine had an option for a 50 taper, but I do not have that option.
[00:30:28] <zeeshan> ah
[00:30:35] <zeeshan> the one i worked on was a r8
[00:30:38] <zeeshan> it was series 1
[00:30:47] <enleth> zeeshan: but what kind of head?
[00:30:55] <zeeshan> no idea
[00:30:59] <zeeshan> definitely not a J type though
[00:31:09] <zeeshan> it was that big ass rectangular looking head
[00:31:22] <enleth> zeeshan: you mean, it looked similar to mine?
[00:31:31] <zeeshan> yes
[00:31:41] <enleth> zeeshan: maybe it had the spindle swapped for R8 or was custom ordered with one
[00:32:04] <enleth> zeeshan: like, by a shop that had loads of R8 tooling already and didn't want to buy it all again
[00:32:15] <zeeshan> yea
[00:32:44] <zeeshan> it is rigid enough :)
[00:32:48] <zeeshan> i retract my last statement
[00:33:33] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you need to take some pics of the bs in action
[00:33:53] <furrywolf> it's currently out of action until I fix the knee.
[00:34:37] <enleth> zeeshan: the only problem is that cheap chinesel ISO30 tooling doesn't fit the QC30 spindle OOTB
[00:36:03] <enleth> zeeshan: today I ground the flange on the ER16 holder on a bench grinder, freehand, because my lathe is dead, I'm waiting for spares to arrive and I couldn't wait to actually mount some tools
[00:36:24] <enleth> But it takes forever and looks ugly
[00:37:15] <enleth> And you have to tape it all up and clean it afterwards to avoid getting any grinding dust on the taper, which takes another forever
[00:39:50] <Wolf_> wonder if I can find a 120v 0.5hp VFD
[00:40:01] <furrywolf> yes
[00:40:03] <enleth> Wolf_: why so small?
[00:40:11] <furrywolf> because I have seen them for sale. :P
[00:40:14] <Wolf_> really small mill
[00:40:47] <furrywolf> keep in mind you can NOT vfd most single-phase motors.
[00:40:49] <enleth> Wolf_: around here it doesn't even make sense to buy a VFD below 2.5kW because the price difference between that and 700W is not even 1.5x
[00:41:24] <enleth> Wolf_: so it's better to buy a bigger one and just underutilize it. In case you ever need a bigger one, you already have it.
[00:41:24] <Wolf_> yeah, mostly i’m looking for something thats not 380/460v lol
[00:41:24] <furrywolf> but if you really have a 0.5hp 3ph motor, then they're available.
[00:41:54] <Wolf_> found a 1/4hp...
[00:42:42] <Wolf_> 220v...
[00:43:43] <furrywolf> random power-related question: why are lamps always ungrounded? I built a light fixture two days ago, with a grounded cord, then realized I can't plug it into anything you'd normally plug a lamp into.
[00:45:07] <enleth> furrywolf: are you in the US?
[00:45:51] <Wolf_> ouch, see what you mean enleth, 0.5hp 120v single phase $89/$130 buyitnow
[00:46:00] <furrywolf> yes
[00:46:12] <enleth> furrywolf: well, that seems to be a US thing
[00:46:23] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Get more modern outlets :P
[00:46:33] <Wolf_> oh wait, its single phase in/out cool
[00:47:47] <enleth> furrywolf: I mean, here it's common for idiot electricians to use a L/N/PE cable for a two-section ceiling fixture, with the PE wire used to carry current
[00:48:00] <enleth> furrywolf: but it's totally agains the electrical code
[00:48:05] <furrywolf> malcom2073: it's not just outlets... anything meant for lamps is ungrounded. dimmers, extensions, switches, remote controls, etc, etc.
[00:50:09] <furrywolf> I'm taking apart my nice properly grounded wiring to put on an ungrounded cord.
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[00:54:16] <furrywolf> I'm sick of dark dreary days, so I built two open 4-bulb fixtures, and put four 1600lm bulbs in each one. it may be dark and dreary outside, but my living room ain't. :)
[00:54:22] <furrywolf> 12800lm...
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[01:03:46] <jdh> what temp?
[01:06:37] <Jymmm> furrywolf: what bulbs?
[01:07:12] <furrywolf> costco LED bulbs
[01:07:29] <Jymmm> oh, life CFL, but LED ?
[01:07:33] <Jymmm> like*
[01:07:53] <furrywolf> ... no, like LED.
[01:07:53] <furrywolf> lol
[01:08:12] <renesis> i think he means the packaging
[01:08:16] <Jymmm> led's are 5mm, dont think that would remove dark and dreary
[01:08:24] <jdh> http://wilmington.craigslist.org/for/5223169300.html
[01:08:27] <renesis> normal edison socket with plastic electronic base
[01:08:39] <furrywolf> ... perhaps you haven't noticed, but LEDs have advanced a bit since 1990.
[01:08:47] <renesis> LEDs come in damn near any size now
[01:08:59] <Jymmm> http://leddrivertesting.com/wp-content/uploads/image/TestingExamples/4WLEDBulb/5_5w-LED-Bulb.jpg
[01:09:00] <renesis> naw they had 3mm and 10mm LEDs in the 70s =)
[01:09:06] <furrywolf> first of all, 5mm LEDs are close to dead.
[01:09:10] <Wolf_> hell they have advanced a bit in the last 5 years
[01:09:16] <renesis> nice sink
[01:09:34] <jdh> what do we think of a Tree 350
[01:09:37] <renesis> they advanced a fuckton between 15 and 5 years ago
[01:09:38] <Jymmm> The elements are STILL 5-10mm, no matter the packing
[01:10:07] <Wolf_> you sure about that
[01:10:07] <renesis> well in that case its more like 1 to 2 mm
[01:10:17] <renesis> if that
[01:10:46] <Jymmm> Wolf_: Sometime smaller and longer elements http://i01.i.aliimg.com/photo/v1/60023257151/Amber_E27_dimmable_COB_Led_Filament_lighting.jpg
[01:11:31] <Wolf_> thats more of a novelty bulb imo
[01:11:41] <furrywolf> Jymmm: if you're clueless, don't talk. :)
[01:11:51] <Wolf_> XP-G R5 or something of the sort IMO
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[01:12:51] <Jymmm> I need some amber fog lamps, still ahvne't seen any LED ones that do 180 degrees though
[01:13:04] <furrywolf> Jymmm: making bulbs out of lots of 5mm LEDs is dead, and now only used for the cheapest chinese garbage they're dumping because they don't want to purchase new equipment.
[01:13:44] <furrywolf> modern LED products either use surface mount LEDs, of a wide variety of sizes, or high-power emitters, up to 10W or more from a single die.
[01:14:23] <Jymmm> furrywolf: and your point is?
[01:14:33] <Wolf_> fuck them 5mm leds… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIDcW-BVbeM
[01:14:38] <furrywolf> there's also COB leds, filament LEDs, and other things that are not 5mm.
[01:15:12] <furrywolf> my point is "<Jymmm> The elements are STILL 5-10mm, no matter the packing" is utterly fucking wrong?
[01:15:13] <Wolf_> bad choice of vids lol
[01:15:37] <Jymmm> furrywolf: and your point is?
[01:16:27] <furrywolf> https://www.1000bulbs.com/category/antique-led-filament-bulbs/ those are cool. I have a few. yes, they're LED.
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[01:18:17] <Contract_Pilot> Evening
[01:20:27] <Jymmm> Well, crap they dont make WIDE angle amber led fog lamps, guess I'll have to do the old fashion halogen
[01:20:58] <Jymmm> http://www.hardworkingtrucks.com/2013-fog-light-buyers-guide/
[01:21:09] * furrywolf finds them cool, at least
[01:21:46] <furrywolf> because fog lamps aren't supposed to be wide angle, because wide angle just causes glare both to you and to other drivers?
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[01:22:34] <Contract_Pilot> andy pugh referd me here!
[01:22:34] <Jymmm> I've had way too many deer cross my path lately becasue I can't see off to the sides as they jump out into the road
[01:22:51] <Contract_Pilot> New to LCNC
[01:23:01] <Jymmm> Contract_Pilot: He's usually here earlier in the weekdays
[01:23:10] * Contract_Pilot new to LCNC
[01:23:24] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, said he was getting sleep.
[01:23:53] <Wolf_> Jymmm: http://www.rigidindustries.com/led-lighting/20212
[01:24:27] <Jymmm> Wolf_: I need closer to 180 degree, not 20
[01:25:00] <Contract_Pilot> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/16-stepconf-wizard/3501-light-machines-company-mill?start=30#62669
[01:25:13] <Jymmm> Wolf_: kinda like this (amber) http://blogsdir.cms.rrcdn.com/37/files/2013/07/Vehicle-Beam-Patterns-duPre-400x314.jpg
[01:25:52] <Contract_Pilot> Wire the p-port to sink current rather than source???
[01:26:17] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure how to wire it to sink?
[01:26:21] <PCW> usually works better that way
[01:26:35] <Jymmm> PCW: he doens't understand sink/source
[01:27:35] <furrywolf> I'm always amused when I see purpose-built deer spotlighting rigs
[01:27:39] <PCW> sink in this context means pull towards ground
[01:28:10] <Contract_Pilot> Any example of wiring?
[01:28:35] <Wolf_> Jymmm: they make more then one light http://www.rigidindustries.com/led-lighting/50112
[01:28:55] <PCW> this mainly applies to step drives with optocoupled inputs
[01:29:22] <PCW> if thats not your situation, don't worry about it
[01:30:23] <Wolf_> Jymmm: but only legal ones are http://www.rigidindustries.com/led-lighting/50481
[01:30:39] <Contract_Pilot> Ok, what wiring changes do i need to do?
[01:30:56] <Contract_Pilot> Do i need to just add diodes or??
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[01:33:58] <Contract_Pilot> been years since i was on IRC hahahah
[01:34:15] <Contract_Pilot> somthing like alt.tvfix
[01:35:59] <Jymmm> Contract_Pilot: That would be newsgroups, not irc =)
[01:36:23] <Jymmm> Contract_Pilot: same era though =)
[01:37:33] <Contract_Pilot> for sure I used MIRc
[01:48:07] <Contract_Pilot> Ok, Added a LED not a thing.
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[01:56:26] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot did you get your answer for sink vs source?
[01:57:04] <Contract_Pilot> Nope
[01:57:24] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot are you working with a PC Parallel Port?
[01:57:36] <Contract_Pilot> Yes,
[01:58:22] <membiblio> Ok so the long and short of sink versus source is as follows - and remember that the PC Parallel port should be restricted to just +5v, +3.3v and ground - absolutely nothing else.
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[01:59:17] <membiblio> If you want to sink current then the parallel port output pin is set to GROUND or 0 and your 'device', maybe a LED, has one lead and a resistor to either +5.0v or +3.0v
[01:59:56] <membiblio> So the led has +5v to it and a appropriate current limiting resistor and then the parallel port pin will SINK current to ground
[02:00:12] <membiblio> and the led will light when you write a 0 to that port and be dark when you write a 1
[02:00:32] <Contract_Pilot> Totally lost
[02:00:34] <membiblio> parallel ports, all output ports, either sink better or source better
[02:00:38] <Contract_Pilot> a diagram would help
[02:00:59] <membiblio> Think of SINK as sinking to ground
[02:01:22] <membiblio> and SOURCE as sourcing current from a positive supply
[02:01:27] <membiblio> So follow -
[02:01:36] <membiblio> you have a led right ?
[02:01:39] <membiblio> follow so far
[02:01:46] <Contract_Pilot> Yep.
[02:01:52] <membiblio> and you want the parallel port to SINK
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[02:02:01] <Contract_Pilot> Yes,
[02:02:17] <membiblio> so since the parallel port sinks to ground then you need to attach the other side of the led to a positive supply which will source
[02:03:15] <membiblio> When you write, in software, a 1 to the parallel port the led will be off because the led turns on when the port SINKS or gives ground to the circuit and you are putting a 1 on it or +5v and the other side of the led is also at +5 volts
[02:03:27] <furrywolf> the source is your kitchen faucet. the sink is the sink under your kitchen faucet. you want water to flow from one to the other. you can either turn your source on and off, or turn your sink's drain on and off. if you have a sink with no source, no water flows. if you have a source with no sink, same thing. you need a source and a sink. the parallel port makes a good sink, so you have to have a source. :P
[02:03:43] * furrywolf decides that analogy failed somewhere
[02:04:03] <membiblio> It was fine but in the middle of another explanation.
[02:04:10] <Contract_Pilot> loosing me. have a schem of how to wire
[02:04:23] <membiblio> Let me find one for you. What are you wiring up?
[02:04:46] <Contract_Pilot> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/16-stepconf-wizard/3501-light-machines-company-mill?start=30#62669
[02:05:17] <Contract_Pilot> Trying to use a spectralight controller from a paralell port.
[02:05:42] <Contract_Pilot> the site that had the wiring is long gone and no archives.
[02:05:42] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot I see a picture - what electronic thing are you wiring to the parallel port?
[02:06:19] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - are you wiring a switch, led or stepper motor driver input?
[02:06:38] <Contract_Pilot> Stepper
[02:07:03] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - which stepper motor driver board are you working with?
[02:07:14] <Contract_Pilot> They enable but i get no movement
[02:07:23] <Contract_Pilot> spectralight
[02:07:45] <furrywolf> ... then why'd you say you had an LED?
[02:07:47] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot please do more typing when you respond - you KNOW I'm going to ask which model next right?
[02:08:14] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - which model stepper motor driver from spectralight are you working with right now?
[02:08:15] <Contract_Pilot> From the post on the forum.
[02:08:22] <Wolf_Mill> complete info = better help
[02:08:34] <Contract_Pilot> the only one there is!
[02:08:41] * furrywolf gives up and wanders off
[02:08:55] <furrywolf> you're not actually a pilot, are you?
[02:08:59] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - but you KNOW we don't know that - right?
[02:09:30] <Contract_Pilot> Right thats why i posted the thread.
[02:09:45] <membiblio> I will search google for spectralight jeepers
[02:10:06] <Contract_Pilot> : build.spaceopera.org
[02:10:18] <membiblio> Ok let me look there
[02:10:27] <Contract_Pilot> buit the site is gone and the archives ate not complete
[02:10:52] <membiblio> And it matters because commercial machines have optically isolated inputs and amateur/hobby mostly have ttl inputs
[02:11:17] <membiblio> That website is not coming up for me build.space....
[02:11:33] <Contract_Pilot> https://web.archive.org/web/20110608204454/http://build.spaceopera.org/
[02:12:34] <Contract_Pilot> Some people have got it going but they do not share the info.
[02:12:44] <furrywolf> ok, so you have a sherline with some proprietary control box. so you're interfacing a parallel port in place of the original isa card, using the original stepper drives?
[02:12:54] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot I don't see anything that will help me identify what type of inputs they are, can you take high res picture of the board, especially around the db-25 connector, and post it somewhere that we can see it?
[02:13:08] <Wolf_Mill> has to be a driver of some sort hooked to this mess
[02:13:24] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - I am going to give a good educated guess that they are ttl inputs
[02:13:25] <Contract_Pilot> Yes, I can
[02:13:50] <membiblio> Next Question - are they just step inputs or step and direction and is there a enable pin?
[02:13:57] <Contract_Pilot> brb with photo
[02:14:06] <membiblio> Ok I think that will help a lot
[02:14:23] <membiblio> And to be clear - not the box - the pcb
[02:14:35] * Wolf_Mill guesses step/dir/enable
[02:14:40] <furrywolf> bah, they don't seem to have archived the wiring diagram that site had.
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[02:15:05] <membiblio> I believe you are correct if I were to guess.
[02:15:39] <furrywolf> I'm going to guess optoisolated, since that page says they're all active low.
[02:16:16] <Wolf_Mill> which means there needs to be high input as well right
[02:16:51] * Wolf_Mill still a noob at this stuff
[02:17:01] <furrywolf> https://web.archive.org/web/20120908165016/http://build.spaceopera.org/site/adapterboard/index.html
[02:17:02] <membiblio> Wait that means they require source
[02:17:15] <membiblio> And he said it requires sink.
[02:17:55] <furrywolf> active low means you sink to turn them on...
[02:18:06] <furrywolf> https://web.archive.org/web/20120908164942/http://build.spaceopera.org/site/spectralight0200parallelportadapter/index.html
[02:18:11] <membiblio> Yes that is correct the input is source to the devices sink.
[02:18:41] <membiblio> I am thinking you said they are opto.
[02:18:50] <Wolf_Mill> I'm goign off what I know, which isnt much, my drivers needed either active high and ground source or active low and high source (did I say that right?)
[02:18:52] <furrywolf> there's a complete pinout and wiring instructions
[02:19:37] <membiblio> All the pages I navigate to say missing.
[02:20:18] <furrywolf> membiblio: yes. I did a bit of digging to find the one I just pasted. it's not missing, and it identifies the pins. :)
[02:21:22] <Contract_Pilot> airplanemanuals.com/spectralight
[02:21:26] <membiblio> Sorry I don't see a explanation of the pins.
[02:22:09] <furrywolf> https://web.archive.org/web/20120908165054/http://build.spaceopera.org/site/emc2configuration/index.html
[02:22:19] <membiblio> Ok I don't see any opto's on the board so they must be ttl inputs
[02:22:31] <furrywolf> and there's what the pins do, care of screenshots
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[02:23:05] <furrywolf> bah, except the big image isn't archived.
[02:23:09] <membiblio> I can not read those .jpg's and ... right
[02:23:48] <membiblio> So anyway it looks like XYZ are all inverted
[02:24:00] <membiblio> So... Contract_Pilot do you have a scope?
[02:24:16] <furrywolf> the pins are sequential, and you can make out what they're set to, and that the inverted boxes are checked.
[02:24:43] <Contract_Pilot> Nope, no scope.
[02:24:50] <membiblio> There is clearly a charge pump pin but to what?
[02:25:09] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot are you using step_config to configure this?
[02:25:21] <Contract_Pilot> Yes,
[02:25:41] <membiblio> Ok can you take a screen shot of your parallel port config page and post that too?
[02:26:11] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot also are you testing ONE axis at a time inside of step_config?
[02:26:32] <furrywolf> I don't think there's actually a charge pump.
[02:26:43] <furrywolf> not shown on his pinout, and one of the pages talked about making a board to implement that functionality himself.
[02:26:58] <Contract_Pilot> Yes, i can here the steppers power but nothing when jogging
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[02:27:03] <membiblio> Ok but that is what the top pin says - ok.
[02:27:39] <membiblio> Ok then concentrate on ONE axis and invert just that axis step and direction pins.
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[02:28:00] <membiblio> Try all 4 combinations possible. One will work. Or should.
[02:28:01] <furrywolf> and make sure you have them wired to the right places. :)
[02:28:13] <newradio> http://www.camaster.com/product/ - are these any good?
[02:28:56] <Contract_Pilot> Already done that.
[02:29:16] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot can you also take a picture of your setup and the parallel port and post that also showing the wires.
[02:29:24] <Contract_Pilot> tripple checked the wiring.,
[02:29:26] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - where is that picture?
[02:30:26] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - very important to your sanity - just work on ONE axis at a time - aok?
[02:30:38] <Contract_Pilot> Yep.
[02:30:53] <membiblio> So where is the picture of your setup and the parallel port ?
[02:31:28] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot you have inverted the pins of the axis you are working with and tried to test inside of step_conf?
[02:31:45] <Contract_Pilot> you want me to take a photo of the back of the box and my cable?
[02:31:52] <Contract_Pilot> Yes, i ahve tried that
[02:31:57] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - yes please.
[02:32:05] <Contract_Pilot> brb
[02:32:06] <furrywolf> somehow those images break firefox's jpeg viewer. how the hell can you screw up a JPEG? lol
[02:32:31] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - you have tried 0,0 0,1 1,0 and 1,1 as far as normal and inverted?
[02:33:00] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - try step normal, direction normal
[02:33:09] <furrywolf> direction inverted won't make it not move, just make it move the wrong way.
[02:33:19] <furrywolf> having step and direction swapped will, however.
[02:33:20] <membiblio> Furry you are right.
[02:33:35] <membiblio> Furry yes excellent.
[02:33:58] <membiblio> I guess he needs a scope next unless you can think of something.
[02:34:28] <furrywolf> I don't see a lot of brains in that box.
[02:35:16] <membiblio> It looks like a older discreet stepper driver.
[02:35:20] <renesis> nom, brains
[02:35:38] <furrywolf> there's some big chips
[02:36:08] <furrywolf> https://web.archive.org/web/20121028185532/http://build.spaceopera.org/site/controlboxinternals/index.html has more photos
[02:37:20] <membiblio> It is a analog supply using a 7805 regulator so it is 70/80's tech.
[02:37:22] <furrywolf> I'll need to do that for my sherline at some point... except I have a flashcut box instead of a spectralight box.
[02:37:27] <Contract_Pilot> Uploaded
[02:37:56] <Wolf_Mill> where are you located Contract_Pilot ?
[02:38:11] <Contract_Pilot> Vancouver, WA US
[02:39:14] <furrywolf> so did you build your cable based on the wiring information on that site, or from somewhere else?
[02:39:14] <Wolf_Mill> not very close, pay travel and I'll bring a scope out :D
[02:39:20] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot are you SURE you are looking at the connector correctly - can you easily and reliably identify pin 1 and 25? Inside the shell or on the back you should see pin numbering marks - can you check again?
[02:40:00] <Contract_Pilot> Yes, I verified the pins
[02:40:26] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot also not all the pins on the db25 ground range 18-25 may be connected to ground on the device so be sure of that also.
[02:41:01] <membiblio> Contract_Pilot - can you borrow a oscilloscope?
[02:41:09] <furrywolf> Where did you get the wiring information from?
[02:41:31] <Contract_Pilot> Cobbled from a few sources
[02:41:36] <Contract_Pilot> no no scope avaiable.
[02:41:48] <Contract_Pilot> Have all working but the steppers.
[02:42:20] <Wolf_Mill> this is the way it works... I have a scope, didnt need it at all on my build
[02:42:28] <furrywolf> when you run the axis test, you say you hear it enable... when it changes direction, do you hear a tick each time?
[02:42:30] <membiblio> You really need to find yourself a scope to borrow. Or a logic probe. Or use a meter in 0-10v mode but that is hard.
[02:43:03] <membiblio> Furry - but you started with a working stepper right?
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[02:43:14] <membiblio> Furry - How does he know his stepper is working?
[02:43:23] <furrywolf> he says he hears it tick
[02:43:38] <Wolf_Mill> I might make a clunk on power up
[02:43:45] <Wolf_Mill> when it starts holding
[02:44:31] <furrywolf> I'm checking to see if step and dir are backwards... if so, it'll step once every time it changes direction.
[02:45:08] <membiblio> Well what I would do is remove all the wires, use individual wires to start and just wire one axis and concentrate on that. That would be me. To give him confidence. As a scope would do because he can see the signals.
[02:45:19] <Contract_Pilot> I have swapped step dir
[02:46:07] <Contract_Pilot> I ahve a fluke 187 i can check 0-10V
[02:46:16] <furrywolf> what did you use for setup/hold times?
[02:46:20] <membiblio> ANd be sure ground is ground by using a meter from the pc chassis to the stepper chassis. It might be floating though but I would check that.
[02:47:07] <Contract_Pilot> I will check the groud.
[02:47:14] <Contract_Pilot> Did not check that.
[02:47:43] <Contract_Pilot> Just the defaults as i did not know what the settings should eb 20,000
[02:47:47] <furrywolf> if your timings are way off, you could have it wired right, but it ignores you.
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[02:49:50] <furrywolf> my first guess would be your cable isn't wired the way you think it is, it's wired the way you think it is but that way is wrong, you don't have enough grounds/enables/other pins held high/etc, it has a built-in e-stop that's tripped, your timings don't work (although that usually causes randomness not uselessness), umm...
[02:50:44] <Contract_Pilot> I toned every pin out when wiring.
[02:50:46] <furrywolf> did you make both ends of the parallel cable, or just chop one end off a factory one?
[02:51:16] <furrywolf> so you chopped one end off a factory cable, then? :P
[02:51:25] <Contract_Pilot> Chopped one off and then chaced the wire to a new connector.
[02:52:02] <furrywolf> which axis are you trying to make work at the moment?
[02:53:21] <Contract_Pilot> X
[02:53:54] <Contract_Pilot> brb
[02:54:38] <furrywolf> this would be the pink wire on your plug, right? which pin on the other end does it go to? double-check with ohmmeter and by reading pin numbers in the plug.
[02:54:44] <furrywolf> (for x step)
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[03:05:27] <newradio> Just uploaded my small part on protolabs - $1500 for 50 pieces - I think its time to buy a cnc router :)
[03:06:25] <jdh> I just cut some hdpe on my chinese router to mount a flow sensor. It was quite satisfying.
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[03:14:31] <newradio> jdh: show me the router please :)
[03:14:59] <Contract_Pilot> Pink wire pin goes to pin 3
[03:15:37] <furrywolf> and stepconf has pin 3 as x step?
[03:17:03] <Contract_Pilot> Was verifying my ground and other connections for a 4th time
[03:17:13] <Contract_Pilot> yes pin 3 is X step
[03:17:48] <furrywolf> this type of thing is a lot easier to troubleshoot when you have it in front of you.
[03:18:00] <Contract_Pilot> All grounded I even solderd the shield to chassis.
[03:20:09] <furrywolf> and you have the enable pin wired and set up? do the steppers become hard/impossible to turn by hand?
[03:21:27] <furrywolf> (compare power off, power on but not enabled, and enabled)
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[03:22:18] <Contract_Pilot_L> ok on the lcnc box
[03:22:22] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> and you have the enable pin wired and set up? do the steppers become hard/impossible to turn by hand?
[03:22:23] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> (compare power off, power on but not enabled, and enabled)
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[03:23:07] <Contract_Pilot_L> when i hit yest axis they enable cannot turn them
[03:23:13] <Contract_Pilot_L> ahhh test
[03:23:27] <furrywolf> ok, that sounds right...
[03:23:44] * furrywolf is out of ideas (being tired results in idea reduction)
[03:24:16] <Contract_Pilot_L> yea some searches said need a buffer board. \
[03:24:34] <furrywolf> a 'scope would answer that nice and quickly.
[03:25:18] <furrywolf> do you have a 1k resistor?
[03:25:37] <furrywolf> (or a few)
[03:25:55] <Contract_Pilot_L> yep.
[03:26:16] <Contract_Pilot_L> my ham shack is where i am at http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Ham-And-PCB-Rework-Bench.jpg
[03:26:26] <Contract_Pilot_L> rather equipped.
[03:26:34] <Contract_Pilot_L> but no scope.
[03:27:09] <furrywolf> unplug your parallel cable from the computer. jumper the enable pin to 5v off the board through a resistor, make sure the steppers enable. then through a second resistor alternately connect the x step pin to 5v and ground, and see if the stepper steps. 1k might be too large, maybe a 220 or something. just to give you some current limiting if something doesn't work the way you think. :)
[03:28:35] <Contract_Pilot_L> ok
[03:29:04] <furrywolf> note that if it works, it will probably suck badly - sometimes work, sometimes not, sometimes running opposite the way it did, etc. you just want to see if you get any life out of it.
[03:29:34] <Contract_Pilot_L> will coble it togather
[03:29:50] <furrywolf> are you using a PC or a laptop?
[03:31:24] <Contract_Pilot_L> pc
[03:31:28] <furrywolf> k
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[03:41:46] <anomynous> hello ;)
[03:44:38] <furrywolf> Contract_Pilot: I need sleep.
[03:46:12] <Contract_Pilot_L> k
[03:48:53] <furrywolf> any luck?
[03:57:17] <jdh> newradio: plain chinese 6040
[03:57:38] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[04:01:02] <newradio> jdh: thanks
[04:01:13] <newradio> looks nice
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[04:24:05] <Wolf_Mill> well, as expected, my mill head is way out of tram vs the bed
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[04:31:44] <Jymmm> 1500 ft tower just to change a lightbulb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1BgzIZRfT8
[04:52:13] <renesis> wow that shit would take forever with the alternating hook thing hes doing
[04:52:52] <Wolf_Mill> beats falling 1500feet
[04:53:06] <renesis> for sure
[04:53:21] <Jymmm> and he only makes $10/hr
[04:55:59] <Jymmm> Is it just me or do these not seem very "yellow"? http://search.ebay.com/281605949516
[04:56:38] <kengu> Jymmm: just you
[04:57:08] <kengu> hoh. for me shipping $200 :)
[04:57:44] <Jymmm> These are yellow for sure http://www.ebay.com/itm/HELLA-Universal-Comet-550-Black-Yellow-Fog-light-1ND005700-021-/161812152014?hash=item25acc17ece&vxp=mtr
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[05:24:58] <tiwake> where is a good place to get high flex rugged cable for push buttons?
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[06:37:16] <archivist> tiwake, google should be able to find, the bend radius is key to high flex
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[06:48:27] <Deejay> moin
[06:50:25] <archivist> Wolf_Mill, simple or proper fix ?
[06:53:07] <Wolf_Mill> ?
[06:53:39] <Wolf_Mill> oh tramming, I'm not sure
[06:54:40] <archivist> shim under one side of the column is the simple bodge
[06:55:10] <Wolf_Mill> probably 0.008" of nod forward and the head is tilting to the left by about 0.005"
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[06:55:28] <archivist> but where is the real problem, spindle to column or column to base or both
[06:55:50] <Wolf_Mill> all in the head and the ways I think
[06:57:11] <archivist> adjust gibs see if that fixes the nod
[06:57:47] <Wolf_Mill> it wont, I can crank them down till the head binds and its still leaning
[06:58:11] <Wolf_Mill> the lean to the left is due to the Zpulling from the right side I think
[06:58:30] <archivist> before you scrape the V on the head to to fix tilt double check the column ways being vertical and true to the bed
[06:59:41] <archivist> mount a dti in the head see if a precision square shows column error
[06:59:46] <Wolf_Mill> when its doing things like peck drilling I can watch the head nodding up and down
[07:00:16] <archivist> what is bending
[07:00:38] <archivist> I have seen much spring in flimsy columns
[07:01:38] <Wolf_Mill> not sure, I'll have to mess with it more, least I'm starting to gather the right tools to check stuff
[07:02:16] <archivist> I added stiffness to my column
[07:02:32] <archivist> will replace it one day
[07:02:57] <Wolf_Mill> just wonder how much might need to be added
[07:03:11] <Wolf_Mill> 12.7mm plate on the rear?
[07:04:15] <archivist> I added two bits of angle to make a larger box section
[07:04:53] <Wolf_Mill> that makes a problem on this machine, the z screw is on the back of the column
[07:06:05] <archivist> from http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_02_18_cnc/P2180014.JPG to http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2009/2009_07_10_cnc_with_LCD_P4/IMG_0267.JPG
[07:06:22] <archivist> enclose the screw
[07:07:19] <archivist> this is the new I am likely to use http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2015/2015_09_06_floor_standing_pillar_drill/IMG_1984.JPG
[07:08:28] <Wolf_Mill> well, I also dont want to over kill it too much, I still plan on putting this thing up on the 2nd floor in my house
[07:08:32] <archivist> I think the mill should come downstairs before it gains that cast iron
[07:09:15] <archivist> I took mine upstairs in parts
[07:09:22] <Wolf_Mill> enclosing the screw is a problem as well
[07:09:37] <Wolf_Mill> 2 arms from the front to rear
[07:10:08] <archivist> slots
[07:10:24] <archivist> or get a new mill :)
[07:11:16] <archivist> actually a few struts base to column top may help
[07:11:48] <Wolf_Mill> put the whole column in compression
[07:12:21] <archivist> unable to move rather than compression
[07:13:15] <Wolf_Mill> well, compression would mean its preloaded, makes it harder to flex
[07:14:38] <archivist> remember drilling pushes the column to the rear so struts to column top are under compression
[07:15:16] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/7t0gQLH.jpg
[07:15:30] <Wolf_Mill> its pretty thin
[07:15:56] <archivist> and narrow
[07:16:22] <Wolf_Mill> yeah that too
[07:17:31] <archivist> 1" plate between column and base extending to sides and rear would enable struts to be placed outside the working envelope
[07:18:25] <Wolf_Mill> well, I have the base for the super x1 arriving tomorrow
[07:18:26] <archivist> use a plate up the rear to take shear too
[07:18:39] <archivist> reduce twist
[07:18:44] <Wolf_Mill> and the extended X table
[07:19:12] <Wolf_Mill> I was planning on 2" riser plate between the base and column
[07:19:21] <archivist> the kit attitude to a mill :)
[07:19:59] <Wolf_Mill> but I was also planning on doing some mods to the new base and rear mounting the Y stepper
[07:20:02] <archivist> I added about 8 " under mine
[07:21:19] <Wolf_Mill> also going to do 1204 ball screws on the x/y
[07:27:35] <Wolf_Mill> adding the riser + plating the back of the column with 1/2" plate should be doable
[07:30:56] <Wolf_Mill> the nod on the head does make for a interesting face finish (least when facing with a 3/8" bit) http://i.imgur.com/oKe0SEH.jpg
[07:33:20] <archivist> I had that sawtooth finish on a crap mill I owned
[07:33:34] <archivist> managed to sell it :)
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[07:54:46] <Wolf_Mill> well there be backlash http://i.imgur.com/jDknCEE.jpg
[07:59:45] <archivist> I think those are showing machine spring too
[08:01:59] <archivist> during the dwell at line ends it gets deeper, then lifts out along a line then sinks in
[08:04:08] <archivist> I expect to see an offset for backlash rather than a gentle curve that could be some column twist adding to the artistic effect
[08:05:09] <Wolf_Mill> cut depth is even, I knocked some of the burrs in to the cut
[08:07:26] <archivist> where you see one axis not working until later on an angled line, the transition to the angle is a curve, this is a sign of machine spring
[08:09:08] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: When do you actually sleep?
[08:09:20] <Wolf_Mill> it varires
[08:09:43] <malcom2073> heh
[08:10:15] <Wolf_Mill> ok, machine spring is not a google friendly term
[08:10:32] <archivist> flex
[08:11:47] <archivist> put dti on xy, plunger on head, little finger push sideways on head
[08:11:59] <enleth> Huh. Turns out that the Y axis ballscrew pulley mount is a standard part - it's called Taper Lock
[08:12:35] <enleth> It's really nice and if you ever have a chance to use it for a pulley, I'd recommend going with it.
[08:13:07] <enleth> It's not even expensive.
[08:13:27] <enleth> The cost of a pulley goes up a little but it's still almost cheap.
[08:13:47] <archivist> taper locks are nice
[08:14:41] <enleth> Well, *if* it turns out that I have to ditch the VariDrive, I'll see if the taper lock can handle the spindle torque and maybe use it for the pulleys
[08:16:06] <enleth> The smallest TLs are like 6 bucks
[08:16:28] <archivist> Wolf_Mill, my old column was 5 or more thou twist
[08:16:57] <archivist> time to go out
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[08:17:30] <skroon> hi all
[08:17:51] <skroon> i'm trying to cut HIPS (High Impact Polysterene) with a 1 flute cutter (2mm diamter)
[08:18:05] <skroon> but the plastic is metling and filling up my flutes :(
[08:18:22] <skroon> I tried low RPM (10.000) and faster and slower feedrate
[08:18:29] <skroon> but I can't seem to get it to stop melting
[08:18:36] <enleth> Since when is 10k "low"?
[08:19:45] <enleth> Some kind of completely insane feedrate is needed with that spindle speed to churn through the material before it's got the chance to melt.
[08:20:49] <enleth> skroon: so you've got some Kress-style spindle that can't go lower than that?
[08:24:28] <enleth> skroon: on a milling plotter I've got around here, I use the Proxxon BFW 40/E spindle for easily melted materials. It's a hobby machine spindle but it gets the job done and the build quality is seriously good.
[08:24:45] <enleth> skroon: it can go as slow as 300RPM, AFAIR
[08:25:21] <enleth> Not much torque, but plenty enough for HIPS
[08:25:40] <enleth> Maybe consider getting one, it's cheap
[08:28:17] <skroon> enleth: exactly, i've got a Kress indeed that can't go lower then 10k
[08:28:44] <Sync> then you will need to feed the heck out of it
[08:28:50] <skroon> enleth: right, so it's really the RPM that's melting the plastics probably right?
[08:28:57] <enleth> skroon: uep.
[08:28:57] <skroon> Sync: right, so go super fast ? :)
[08:29:02] <enleth> *yep
[08:29:11] <Wolf_Mill> up, thought so, Y axis backlash causing this http://i.imgur.com/KlVIPHW.jpg
[08:29:28] <enleth> skroon: with that spindle, go as fast as it's safe to do
[08:29:35] <skroon> ok the problem is that when i'm usign Y and X at the same time, e.g. circular milling, the feedrate isn't too high, it slows down a lot
[08:29:40] <skroon> straight lines can go fast though
[08:29:51] <enleth> skroon: and look around for the proxxon
[08:30:16] <skroon> cool thanks! i'm gonna see what the maximum feedrate is for me
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[08:40:25] <skroon> enleth: with high feed rate it works a lot better indeed, but still clogging up a little, but much less :-)
[08:40:31] <skroon> I also increased the depth increment :-)
[08:42:02] <trentster> archivist you around?
[08:45:11] <enleth> skroon: well, there's just a limit on what can be done with a kress
[08:45:46] <enleth> it's fine for wood, wchich doesn't melt
[08:47:20] <enleth> but more melty materials are a problem
[08:48:35] <enleth> not sure if there's any use to cooling in this case, didn't bother to fo the research
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[09:04:20] <MacGalempsy> .has anyone used AT_PID?
[09:07:54] <enleth> Polishing the rust off of the varidrive pulley halves while mounted on the motor shaft, spinning under own power - how bad and unsafe does it sound?
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[09:13:18] <malcom2073> enleth: Just don't spin them so fast you lose control :P
[09:14:17] <enleth> malcom2073: well, with a VFD I can run the motor rather slow
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[09:40:00] <trentster> man this is annoying trying to setup a break-out board and for some reason this board comes with a male DB25 connector and my cable is Male to Male already. Guess I am gonna have to go hopping around tomorrow to find another cable - sigh
[09:41:51] <Sync> enleth: use a piece of wood, but apart from that, why not
[09:42:04] <Sync> trentster: get a gender changer
[09:42:18] <enleth> trentster: last time I had this happen I was in a hurry so I drilled some thin brass on a lathe and cut it up into 25 tube pieces I pushed onto the pins
[09:42:32] <trentster> Sync: trying to find one at the moment - I really dont want to wait a week for ebay
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[09:44:13] <enleth> Sync: my plan is to wrap a rag around a board and apply some polishing compound
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[09:56:03] <malcom2073> That's something I should do whie I have my motor out, clean up the varidrive pulleys
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[10:38:49] <zhivko_> Hi GUYS!
[10:38:58] <XXCoder> hey
[10:39:05] <zhivko_> I'm novice here and I have question regarding G43.1 Dynamic Tool Height
[10:39:43] <XXCoder> man I love myfordboy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQk7oMc44KQ
[10:39:47] <zhivko_> I mean you send 1000lines of gcode, start executing and than after 15 seconds while gcode is still runnning issue G43.1 Z0.5 - will CNC controller acknowledge that and take into account in next move of Z axis?
[10:40:19] <XXCoder> hopefully someone will be able to answer
[10:40:23] <XXCoder> not exactly an expert
[10:41:07] <zhivko_> AH ok good to know somebody is here
[10:41:31] <zhivko_> is some expert here? maybe?
[10:41:57] <XXCoder> usually now is just late
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[10:43:06] <zhivko_> nice work.
[10:43:14] <zhivko_> Are you building steam engines?
[10:43:41] <XXCoder> I'm not myfordboy
[10:43:57] <XXCoder> I'm just fan of him lol
[10:44:33] <XXCoder> he made bunch of stuff
[10:44:34] <zhivko_> CHeck my stirling engine ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsI5n6E67EU
[10:44:41] <XXCoder> including stirling
[10:44:42] <jdh> how would you send the g43.1 ?
[10:45:04] <zhivko_> jdh: I would send this after gcode program is already executing
[10:45:08] <jdh> how
[10:45:11] <XXCoder> zhivko_: nice!
[10:45:12] <zhivko_> I have torch height control
[10:45:30] <XXCoder> I always wanted smallish one to try to drive and see what happens
[10:45:38] <zhivko_> I mean I am measuring with capacity height sensor distance of torch to workpiece
[10:45:41] <XXCoder> basically you can make quite powerful cooler if you drive it
[10:45:47] <XXCoder> (and I suppose heater too lol
[10:45:58] <zhivko_> And I want to accomodate for this change
[10:46:07] <jdh> you cannot 'send' gcode while it is running, afaik.
[10:46:17] <zhivko_> through telnet maybe
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[10:46:44] <zhivko_> jdh: I am refering to GRBL that is executing on arduino
[10:46:55] <archivist_herron> trentster, yup for a bit
[10:46:56] <jdh> oh, not LinuxCNC
[10:47:14] <jdh> IMO, it would be a bug if it let you do that.
[10:47:30] <zhivko_> jdh: not realy but grbl claim they implemented G43.1 like in linuxcnc ;)
[10:47:53] <zhivko_> jdh: this is why I get to this irc channel :)
[10:48:10] <zhivko_> jdh: why bug?
[10:48:47] <jdh> it would destroy the trajectory planner
[10:49:03] <zhivko_> jdh: just want to adapt system to actual situation - it could be that pipe that I am cutting with plasma pipe cutter is not straingth and 100% acurate as mathematics says it should be
[10:49:37] <jdh> torch height is a solved problem, without injecting arbitrary gcode
[10:50:10] <zhivko_> jdh: so I have this gcode made from simulated environment like here:
[10:50:15] <jdh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Torch_Height_Control
[10:50:40] <zhivko_> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/110230689089207649183/albums/6056408207656893201/6158513735720572066?pid=6158513735720572066&oid=110230689089207649183
[10:50:46] <archivist_herron> g43 cannot fix the way you want use linuxcnc and torch height compensation
[10:50:58] <_methods> he's not using linuxcnc
[10:51:01] <_methods> hes using grbl
[10:51:13] <zhivko_> yes.
[10:51:14] <archivist_herron> that is why I say use linuxcnc :)
[10:51:30] <zhivko_> OK but guys! Its not only torch cotrol
[10:51:36] <_methods> grbl sux
[10:51:39] <zhivko_> You have pipes that you need to cut and they are of tolerances
[10:51:50] <archivist_herron> aaaaarguino sucs
[10:52:08] <zhivko_> So what I would need - I get meaasure from laser distance sensor and want to adapt height to that measurements.
[10:52:32] <_methods> why if you have ATHC?
[10:52:37] <_methods> just use that
[10:52:41] <zhivko_> Pipes could be curved little bit anf so on...
[10:52:54] <archivist_herron> hold them properly
[10:52:55] <jdh> it is not a new problem.
[10:52:56] <_methods> that's what ATHC is for
[10:53:17] <jdh> you seem to be fixated on a solution
[10:53:27] <jdh> rather than looking for one.
[10:53:31] <zhivko_> ATHC? I have a measure from my capacity height sensor and would like the controller adapt online - to realtime measurements
[10:53:32] <zhivko_> simple...
[10:54:04] <zhivko_> jdh: athc what is this? can I found something about it more ?
[10:54:26] <_methods> automatic torch height control
[10:54:31] <_methods> you said you have it
[10:55:00] <zhivko_> no I dont have it
[10:55:17] <zhivko_> I think it would require me to buy additiona HW, aditional Z axis motor and stuf
[10:55:31] <zhivko_> And this can I afraid be used only for plasma
[10:55:46] <_methods> man i'm so confused
[10:55:49] <zhivko_> I am looking for general solution
[10:55:57] <_methods> so are you trying to create your own height control system?
[10:56:00] <zhivko_> To use it also for laser (if I decide later to go to laser) for example.
[10:56:12] <archivist_herron> same problem
[10:56:32] <archivist_herron> you still have to adjust Z by material error
[10:56:59] <zhivko_> Yes. I have developed this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mzMwZpEM50
[10:57:22] <zhivko_> material error can be measured with capacity height sensor
[10:57:59] <malcom2073> zhivko_: What do you mean have the control adapt online, have it adjust height as needed?
[10:58:16] <zhivko_> So: I would leave planner like it is - I would just add correction from capacity height sensor
[10:58:23] <zhivko_> online - or realtime as you wish
[10:58:26] <archivist_herron> linuxcnc can do this easily
[10:58:45] <malcom2073> Modify your gcode sender to adjust Z height based on your capacitive sensor
[10:59:19] <zhivko_> malcolm2073: isnt gcode sent all in one file and than you issue start?
[10:59:22] <archivist_herron> grbl doers not have the inputs/hal needed you need to fix the source and add input somehow
[10:59:38] <zhivko_> malcolm: is it line by line instructions ?
[10:59:41] <malcom2073> zhivko_: Depends on how you use it. I've used grbl with a gcode sender that sends it line by line as the program runs
[10:59:43] <zhivko_> malcolm: is it line by line instructions ? that are sent?
[11:00:10] <malcom2073> It has an internal buffer of 1-2 commands, so your height adjustments will be a bit off
[11:00:12] <zhivko_> malcolm2073: I tried that with smoothieboard - and than movement is not fluent - it is jerky
[11:00:25] <malcom2073> But otherwise, your only other option is to get a better controller
[11:00:29] <malcom2073> (linuxcnc)
[11:00:54] <malcom2073> Or, implement height adjustment independant of your control system
[11:01:02] <malcom2073> have a secondary controller that runs your Z height based on the capacitive sensor
[11:01:16] <zhivko_> but if gcode results in 20mm movement - I want controller to receive height measurement and adapt to it
[11:01:30] <malcom2073> Then you need to get a controller that supports this.
[11:01:31] <archivist_herron> linuxcnc does that
[11:01:33] <malcom2073> Or program it yourself
[11:02:09] <malcom2073> "I want to drive my car, and have it run on electricity" <- Doesn't work if your car is gasoline powered. Get the proper tool for the job.
[11:02:12] <XXCoder> zhivko_: it's somewhat easy to get old pc
[11:02:17] <XXCoder> then install linuxcnc on it
[11:02:20] <XXCoder> get some controller
[11:02:49] <zhivko_> so linuxcnc supports getting height from web address, and that correct z axis from that
[11:02:51] <zhivko_> ?
[11:03:08] <zhivko_> Can I see where in configuration is this implemented?
[11:03:45] <zhivko_> in configuration I mean: you get height from http://xx.yy.zz.ww/height every 0.1 second with websocket and that adapt current position to that ?
[11:04:04] <zhivko_> Iwould move immediately to linuxcnc ;)
[11:04:50] <zhivko_> or can somebody paste link to source so I can maybe fork and program this?
[11:05:28] <malcom2073> Source for what, linuxcnc?
[11:05:32] <XXCoder> why have to get onfo from website?
[11:05:36] <zhivko_> XXCoder: is there a existing code that can support this? Or what code to adapt to have this functionality?
[11:05:40] <malcom2073> You can probably do that in hal, no need to modify the source
[11:06:12] <zhivko_> malcom: can I get more info on that how to do that - what is hal etc ?
[11:06:26] <_methods> are you trying to send your data over wifi?
[11:06:31] <_methods> i see esp8266
[11:06:39] <zhivko_> XXCoder: I have esp8266 that can report this on ethernet already
[11:06:51] <zhivko_> XXCoder: if you check my youtube videos
[11:06:53] <_methods> you know plasma does not play well with wifi
[11:07:03] <malcom2073> Does plasma play well with a capaciative sensor?
[11:07:04] <zhivko_> methods: not really
[11:07:40] <zhivko_> malcolm: I could change cpacity height sensor with laser optical measurement.... This is plan B
[11:08:04] <_methods> usually not good idea to control a cnc with wifi
[11:08:12] <XXCoder> yeah I was wondering why
[11:08:13] <zhivko_> with: http://www.keyence.com/products/measure/laser-1d/il/models/il-1000/index.jsp
[11:08:15] <_methods> but i maybe am just too attached to my body parts
[11:08:43] <zhivko_> OK I am doing that now with websockets: and it streams data very reliably
[11:08:45] <zhivko_> also you can check this:
[11:08:57] <XXCoder> zhivko_: that does not answer my question - why?
[11:09:14] <XXCoder> because direct control is better rather than long loop around in internet
[11:09:14] <zhivko_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISbmQTbjDI
[11:09:41] <zhivko_> XXCoder: its easy - ethernet - no additional cables
[11:09:53] <XXCoder> ah local network?
[11:09:54] <zhivko_> No additional noises on line etc
[11:09:58] <zhivko_> long distances
[11:10:10] <zhivko_> XXCoder: yes local network
[11:10:43] <zhivko_> SO what is hal? How can I do it?
[11:11:03] <XXCoder> well bit less silly but yeah rather just direct control. my linuxcnc pc is directly controlling controller that controls my cnc router.
[11:11:09] <zhivko_> Can somebody give me more data how or what to change (which sourcecode *.cpp) ?
[11:11:09] <XXCoder> '(gonna complete it sigh)
[11:12:18] <MacGalempsy> interesting, i ran the PNCCONF with 2.70, and for some reason the PID tuning is getting better!
[11:12:19] <zhivko_> XXCODER: measurement on capacity height controls hapens in 0.125s, and PC gets this data immediately - no baud rates limits etc... dont worry please about this
[11:12:33] <Tom_itx> running a control from the interweb is absurd
[11:12:58] <zhivko_> I am here to get info what and how to change in linuxcnc code to get closed loop done for z axis - can somebody help ?
[11:13:09] <XXCoder> zhivko_: just check home page for linuxcnc
[11:13:12] <XXCoder> it is open source
[11:13:13] <Tom_itx> once we all wake up.... sure
[11:13:25] <XXCoder> yeah gonna sleep LOL 4 am here
[11:13:28] <zhivko_> Lets imagine for moment that this info is available in linuxcnc
[11:13:37] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop has a plasma
[11:13:54] <Tom_itx> he may be able to give you some insight
[11:14:05] <zhivko_> Tom_itx: its not proplem for plasma
[11:14:19] <pcw_home> No need to change code, linuxcnc is designed to be easy to customize in a better way than changing source code
[11:14:21] <Tom_itx> you mentioned torch height
[11:14:22] <zhivko_> its general problem: pipe is slightly off tolerances - curved whatever.
[11:14:35] <zhivko_> I would like to compensate for this.
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[11:14:50] <zhivko_> Next month it could be laser ;) etc so it is not plasma related
[11:15:08] <XXCoder> (keep in mind not expert here) wild idea - use rangefinder?
[11:15:13] <Tom_itx> there are those here as well
[11:15:14] <pcw_home> the THC HAL component shows a way of adding a Zoffset to motion in real time (< 1 ms)
[11:15:24] <zhivko_> You have measurement and wanna adapt Z axis for this measurement - how to correctly do that in linuxcnc?
[11:15:33] <pcw_home> in hal
[11:15:37] <zhivko_> pcw_home: YES I need this!
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[11:16:02] <pcw_home> then read the hal manual and the thc manual page and thc source
[11:16:02] <zhivko_> so is there hal (module?) somewhere documented ?
[11:16:10] <Tom_itx> get a junk pc, some control cards and load linuxcnc then
[11:16:23] <zhivko_> Tom_itx: its not problem to setup linuxcnc
[11:16:32] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html
[11:16:37] <zhivko_> I need hal details and how to integrate
[11:16:39] <XXCoder> at aliexpress you can get controller card for less than very good dinner.
[11:17:17] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/thc.9.html
[11:17:53] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/thcud.9.html
[11:17:56] <zhivko_> Tom_itx: and all of you thank you for now. need to check hal - I hope there are some examples there
[11:18:12] <zhivko_> XXCoder: link? what card ?
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[11:18:40] <Tom_itx> ask google, he's a know it all
[11:19:04] <Tom_itx> she?
[11:19:12] <XXCoder> zhivko_: problem is there is many kinds and I dont know what would be good for you.
[11:19:19] <zhivko_> :)
[11:19:20] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: it.
[11:19:24] <zhivko_> Thanks guys
[11:19:28] <zhivko_> Need to go now...
[11:19:39] <zhivko_> farewell - but not for long !
[11:20:04] <XXCoder> farewell too
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[11:20:28] * Tom_itx sends zhivko_ off into the ocean with a canoe and one paddle
[11:20:43] <XXCoder> don't be rude.
[11:20:53] <malcom2073> He did give him a paddle
[11:20:54] * XXCoder gives zhivko_ salty chips
[11:21:02] <Tom_itx> he left with a partial answer...
[11:21:41] <XXCoder> yeah hopefully he figures it out :)
[11:21:46] <XXCoder> gonna fix my router
[11:22:02] <XXCoder> I just got bunch of trash from work that I can use to try make stuff
[11:22:08] <XXCoder> as learning experence and fun
[11:22:27] <XXCoder> only actual trash. no scrap
[11:22:33] <malcom2073> What kind of router?
[11:22:39] <XXCoder> for example leftover block of nylon
[11:22:43] <XXCoder> malcom2073: chinese special
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[11:23:02] <malcom2073> Ah fun, like a 6040 or whatnot?
[11:23:12] <MacGalempsy> after 3 years trying to get my machine finished, it can take a while to understand the format
[11:23:13] <XXCoder> not too sure but small one yeah
[11:23:21] <malcom2073> The water cooled 2.2kw spindle?
[11:23:25] <XXCoder> its working great.
[11:23:31] <XXCoder> malcom2073: sadly not that fancy
[11:23:51] <chris_99> i'm just curious about something, linuxcnc always runs the gcode interpreter on the PC itself right? sending control signals to steppers etc, via ethernet, lpt etc right?
[11:23:53] <malcom2073> Ahh heh. I'm eyeing up the chinese spindles, was wondering how they are
[11:23:54] <XXCoder> working great, way wrong scale as I configured it for old ballscrew system lol
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[11:24:01] <malcom2073> Lol oops
[11:24:17] <XXCoder> malcom2073: heard pretty good. no 43mm dia ones unfortunately.
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[11:24:35] <XXCoder> so I gonna somehow find a holder that fits my router, or new new frame yet again :(
[11:24:42] <XXCoder> *buy
[11:24:57] <malcom2073> Hose clamps, then cut out a proper holder :)
[11:25:22] <XXCoder> malcom2073: actually i has grinder thing I plan to use
[11:25:28] <XXCoder> for a while anyway
[11:25:36] <XXCoder> then I will evenually figure it out
[11:26:18] <XXCoder> malcom2073: its fixed at 27000 rpm which is awesome for some stuff but not so good for metal lo
[11:26:33] <XXCoder> but should work for alum which means I can evenually make mount for 53mm
[11:26:35] <malcom2073> hHaha yeah
[11:26:40] <XXCoder> so can fit spindle
[11:28:22] <XXCoder> jeez
[11:28:28] <XXCoder> I hate fb new soft scroll
[11:28:38] <XXCoder> makes me dizzy
[11:28:46] <malcom2073> Soft scroll?
[11:29:05] <XXCoder> malcom2073: dunno why but they decided if I scroll it will smoothly scroll
[11:29:17] <XXCoder> problem is that I turned that damn feature off on firefox for a reason
[11:29:20] <XXCoder> it makes me dizzy
[11:29:20] <malcom2073> Hmm weird, it scrolls normal for me?
[11:29:23] <malcom2073> I'm in chrome though
[11:29:35] <XXCoder> hmm
[11:29:58] <XXCoder> you has a mouse where wheel can be clicky turn or free spin?
[11:30:12] <malcom2073> clicky
[11:30:16] <malcom2073> yours free spin?
[11:30:18] <XXCoder> darn
[11:30:25] <XXCoder> yes and yes
[11:30:29] <XXCoder> it can be either
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[11:30:47] <XXCoder> doh sleeptime later
[11:31:15] <malcom2073> SEe y
[11:31:16] <malcom2073> a
[11:31:22] <XXCoder> malcom2073: logtech darkfield if curious, later
[11:31:41] <malcom2073> Ergonomic!
[11:40:47] <archivist_herron> chris_99, yes, but there can be some separation between two PCs one with the controller and one with the display (not may use that)
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[11:41:57] <chris_99> archivist_herron, cheers
[11:43:10] <chris_99> so i was kind of wondering how a realtime kernel with a PC compares to an MCU approach, do you get almost identical performance
[11:44:19] <cpresser> chris_99: depends on the definition of realtime. how fast do you want to go?
[11:46:57] <chris_99> not sure tbh, i'd be interested if theres a nice comparison of the two approaches, in terms of things like stability, realtimeness etc
[11:47:49] <archivist_herron> the figure that is measured, is in the latency test program utility
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[11:49:03] <chris_99> oh cheers, i'll run that now
[11:49:03] <archivist_herron> the FPGA used with a PC offloads part of the problem
[11:49:32] <archivist_herron> that then has hardware counters
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[11:50:43] <chris_99> ah, i'd not heard of that, you mean using something like a PCI-E FPGA card?
[11:51:07] <archivist_herron> yes see the mesa cards often talked in here
[11:51:48] <chris_99> so with that, are you passing some kind of partial gcode type instruction for the card, to generate stepper signals?
[11:52:04] <archivist_herron> not gcode
[11:52:36] <chris_99> but something that says, drill a line for instance?
[11:53:24] <archivist_herron> no it is dumber than that, linuxcnc is doing the thinking, it is doing the cointing and pulsing
[11:53:43] <archivist_herron> counting
[11:55:29] <archivist_herron> more often used with servo systems as it cannot miss encoder signals like the parallel port can
[11:55:32] <skunkworks> In linucnc - interface hardware moves only the stuff that computers don't do well. (high speed step-gen, PWM, encoder counting and suc)
[11:55:45] <skunkworks> such
[11:56:53] <chris_99> ah i think i get you now
[11:56:59] <skunkworks> with linucnc you will always need a reatlime OS - Even with external hardware. (because linuxcnc is the motion controller)
[11:57:12] <chris_99> mmm
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[12:22:53] <skunkworks> (Though with eternal hardware the reatlime latency isn't as critical.)
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[12:24:53] <skunkworks> my x key doesn't work well
[12:25:47] <Jymmm> Yeah, blame the kybd...
[12:25:53] <lair82> Good Morning Gentleman, What is the best way to change the hardware clock on a MB, when I can't find the setting in the bios screen?
[12:26:28] <lair82> Right now at 8:30 am, my machine is showing 3:40 pm.
[12:27:00] <Jymmm> in the bios or in the OS it's showing 3:40 ?
[12:27:56] <lair82> The os is showing 3:40, and the bios clock said the same thing
[12:28:19] <lair82> But I can't find anywhere in the bios settings where to change it.
[12:28:39] <Jymmm> lair82: https://codeghar.wordpress.com/2007/12/06/manage-time-in-ubuntu-through-command-line/
[12:28:46] <skunkworks> normally where the time is displayed is where you can chinge it..
[12:29:35] <lair82> It just shows the time in the lower right corner of the bios screen
[12:29:57] <lair82> Jymmm, won't it revert back to the hwclock on the next re-start?
[12:30:16] <Jymmm> you need to setup NTP
[12:31:19] <Jymmm> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime
[12:32:02] <lair82> Part two of removing my head from my ass, If would have just clicked on the time stamp at the bottom of the screen, I wouldn't have had a silly question.
[12:32:08] <lair82> I need a vacation
[12:36:28] * JT-Shop is taking a vaction today
[12:37:13] <archivist> is that a holiday that sucks
[12:37:25] <Jymmm> archivist++
[12:41:14] <MacGalempsy> does anyone know off the top of their head where the setting is to increase the DRO resolution from 0.0000 to 0
[12:41:21] <MacGalempsy> 0.00000
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[12:44:13] <zeeshan-mobile> hi
[12:45:41] <zeeshan-mobile> someone want to hook me up with a shell? :)
[12:45:52] <zeeshan-mobile> i forgot to leave my rpi2 on!
[12:45:55] <MacGalempsy> a see shell?
[12:46:01] <MacGalempsy> :P
[12:46:05] <zeeshan-mobile> linucks
[12:46:18] <malcom2073> heh
[12:46:19] <zeeshan-mobile> i gotta ssh out to irc
[12:46:30] <MacGalempsy> zeeshan-mobile: once I get the homing done, I will be ready to make my first cut!
[12:46:31] <zeeshan-mobile> they got webchat.freenode blocked
[12:46:33] <Jymmm> No way, your mobile and on a unsecure connection to be haxor4ds
[12:46:53] <malcom2073> MacGalempsy: hangouting it?
[12:46:57] <zeeshan-mobile> nice
[12:47:29] <Jymmm> zeeshan-mobile: you want a shell just so you van get on irc?
[12:47:36] <Jymmm> can*
[12:47:41] <zeeshan-mobile> yes
[12:47:49] <MacGalempsy> yeah
[12:48:05] <zeeshan-mobile> just to test if i can ssh out
[12:48:11] <Jymmm> zeeshan-mobile: Um, I have a lil secret for you... You are already on irc
[12:48:26] <malcom2073> zeeshan-mobile: Use your phone as your ssh point
[12:48:30] <zeeshan-mobile> yes but its eating my cell battery
[12:48:35] <malcom2073> Uhg
[12:48:41] <malcom2073> plug it in... you know... into the PC you're using for ssh?
[12:48:42] <malcom2073> :-P
[12:48:53] <zeeshan-mobile> i dont even need an acct
[12:49:03] <zeeshan-mobile> i jusr need an ip to a server with ssh
[12:49:13] <malcom2073> That won't help you without an account
[12:50:17] <zeeshan-mobile> it will
[12:50:25] <malcom2073> How?
[12:50:31] <zeeshan-mobile> i can setup ssh when i get home
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[12:50:40] <zeeshan-mobile> if not ill need some other workaround
[12:58:01] <JT-Shop> looks like this gigabyte MB is a winner < 9000 jitter after 12hours
[12:58:15] <malcom2073> JT-Shop: Link?
[12:58:28] <malcom2073> Or a random used find?
[12:58:35] <JT-Shop> on the forum
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[12:59:38] <malcom2073> The J1900?
[13:00:32] <JT-Shop> GAH81MS2HGSM
[13:01:20] <malcom2073> Nice, and cheap too
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[13:05:07] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/18-computer/29147-intel-cpu-on-board-motherboard-suggestion?start=10
[13:12:30] <skunkworks> wonder how they work with rt-preempt
[13:23:16] <JT-Shop> dunno how to do that yet lol
[13:23:31] <JT-Shop> I do know that only the Rev. 2 has the parallel port
[13:34:55] <JT-Shop> http://www.spyderpalooza.com/
[13:43:48] <_methods> http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2012/02/27/27_eastboundanddown.o.jpg/a_560x375.jpg
[13:44:58] <_methods> http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/series/eastbound-and-down/episodes/3/17/episode-17-1024.jpg
[13:45:01] <_methods> heheh
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[13:55:52] <tiwake> where is a good place to shop for good industrial flex cable?
[14:03:19] <pcw_home> The gigabyte H81 works well with Preempt-RT
[14:08:26] <CaptHindsight> tiwake: MTW, machine tool wire or?
[14:10:06] <tiwake> no... its for a few push buttons, so a guy can stand away from the machine and operate the hydraulics on a truck
[14:10:52] <tiwake> when done operating the operator winds the wire up around a small spool thing
[14:11:54] <tiwake> not very interesting in terms of what the wire is used for, but it really shouldent be solid core cat5 cable... heh
[14:12:35] <lair82> With my config completed, networking with windows thru samba, setting up thunar shares to share folders over samba, a glxgears session running, I was still only at about 13,000 max jitter on the 1ms servo thread, after a few hours.
[14:12:52] <tiwake> I'm just not sure where I should start looking
[14:12:57] <lair82> on that Asrock H97m Pro4
[14:13:32] <_methods> http://www.belden.com/products/industrialcable/flexible-automation-cable.cfm
[14:15:42] <pcw_home> I suspect (but do not know) that most newer Intel MBs are similar (I have a gigabyte H81 and Asrock H97 and they have similar latency under Preempt-RT )
[14:15:46] <Sync> zeeshan: sadev order confirmed :3
[14:17:41] <_methods> http://www.awcwire.com/productspec.aspx?id=pendant-cable
[14:19:00] <_methods> tiwake: that's usa though not sure where you're located
[14:19:11] <tiwake> USA :3
[14:19:22] <_methods> kk
[14:20:08] <_methods> i'm guessing probably automation direct has pendant wiring too
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[14:38:29] <Contract_Pilot> Morning.
[14:39:21] <Contract_Pilot> Loving LCNC why oh why was i ever set on mach3
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[14:40:00] <malcom2073> It's against human nature to admit your wrong, and to try new things :P
[14:40:13] <tiwake> _methods: http://www.alliedelec.com/belden-7924a-0101000/70004293/#tab=specs
[14:40:41] <tiwake> that looks pretty good to me
[14:40:50] <tiwake> though I'm not sure about price
[14:41:24] <Contract_Pilot> After manu hours i am going to ditch this spectralight box.
[14:41:31] <JT-Shop> if you need a shorter piece try McMaster Carr
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[14:42:21] <tiwake> now I'm curious about plugs... heh
[14:42:29] <tiwake> to digikey
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[14:43:10] <Contract_Pilot> I am lucky i have a innerconnect whosale distro in my town.
[14:44:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.zoro.com/kh-industries-pndnt-cbl-with-extrnl-strain-relf-16-awg-cpcs-168-25ft/i/G8565076/
[14:44:26] <Contract_Pilot> Cables, Connectors, Relays, anything din moun, etc.
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[14:46:16] <tiwake> CaptHindsight: thats good stuff... lol..
[14:47:45] <Contract_Pilot> Need a good IRC Client mirc still it?
[14:48:02] <tiwake> I like to use HexChat
[14:48:48] <ssi> morn
[14:48:59] <Contract_Pilot> My every day computer is a winblows machine
[14:49:17] <chris_99> hexchat runs on windows too
[14:49:22] <Contract_Pilot> Still learning linux
[14:49:50] <tiwake> HexChat is a good cross-platform IRC client
[14:50:30] <tiwake> ugh I feel sick
[14:51:17] <Contract_Pilot> At least this year i got my Soldering equipment out of the attic.
[14:51:47] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Ham-And-PCB-Rework-Bench.jpg
[14:52:28] <Contract_Pilot> Welll my metcal BGA stuff is not unpacked but no need for that right now.
[14:54:35] <Contract_Pilot> If hobby show goes well this weeknd i should be able to get my Mesa 5i25 / 7i76 for my 12X36 Lathe Prob have to get 2-3 7i76 now that I have 4 machines.
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[14:58:54] * Contract_Pilot installed hex chat been years since I did the irc things
[14:59:28] <Jymmm> You put a $1200 radio next to a 800F tip?!
[15:00:03] <Contract_Pilot> Yep... insane humm
[15:00:06] <ssi> Jymmm: it's a dry heat
[15:00:11] <malcom2073> Technically 1079F
[15:00:51] <tiwake> http://www.osnews.com/story/28841/Microsoft_is_downloading_Windows_10_to_your_PC_just_in_case_
[15:00:53] <Contract_Pilot> Hot air is not used often and when used it is in another stand away from the radio,
[15:01:15] <Jymmm> Contract_Pilot: I'd be happy to take the radio off your hands cheaply =)
[15:01:43] <Contract_Pilot> hahaha
[15:01:47] <Jymmm> you can replace it with plastic dolls if you want to destroy something =)
[15:01:55] <tiwake> heck, I'd pay for shipping to my place
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[15:05:10] <Contract_Pilot> I still user the radio KG7AMV
[15:05:36] <Jymmm> I see no tuner and one coax... no HF in use?
[15:05:53] <Contract_Pilot> No HF in use
[15:06:30] <Jymmm> Ah, Tech
[15:07:04] <ssi> <- N4ML
[15:07:12] <ssi> haven't operated in ages
[15:07:36] <malcom2073> My buddies keep trying to convince me to take the test and get into that stuff
[15:07:41] <ssi> don't bother :P
[15:07:48] <malcom2073> Just another hobby :)
[15:08:05] <Contract_Pilot> I had 4 of them radios.
[15:08:13] <Contract_Pilot> only 1 now.
[15:08:41] <Contract_Pilot> Used them for communications with Airinc ATC
[15:09:16] <Jymmm> ssi: expired
[15:09:24] <Contract_Pilot> Sitting on the ground in Tarawa could hit SFO no problem.
[15:09:34] <ssi> Jymmm: shouldn't be... I renewed in 2012 I believe
[15:09:48] <Jymmm> ssi: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=690440
[15:10:09] <ssi> it would be expired were I Milton Lowens
[15:10:31] <Jymmm> ssi: You said N4ML
[15:10:36] <ssi> I did in fact
[15:10:44] <ssi> fun fact: callsigns get reused
[15:10:56] <Contract_Pilot> Whoo hoo sold these inserts now i am 70.00 closer to funding my mmesa card
[15:11:06] <ssi> http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=2386308
[15:11:16] <Contract_Pilot> Hobby must support it self!
[15:11:27] <ssi> Contract_Pilot: that's a silly rule! :D
[15:11:44] <malcom2073> I think hobby supporting itself should be a goal, not a rule :P
[15:11:54] <Contract_Pilot> Well i have a female human pet!
[15:12:20] <ssi> do you keep her in a cage?
[15:12:22] <Contract_Pilot> I have to many hobbys.
[15:13:19] <Contract_Pilot> She keeps me in a cage hahahaha
[15:13:41] <Jymmm> balls in a jar on the mantel?
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[15:15:34] <Jymmm> Damn... 73,700 acres - 35% contained
[15:16:08] <Jymmm> The acrage keeps going up, and contianment after rain went from 30% to 35%
[15:16:29] <tiwake> Jymmm: forest fire?
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[15:16:35] <Jymmm> yeah
[15:16:41] <tiwake> califorina?
[15:17:02] <Contract_Pilot> Need to go wash the airplane
[15:17:20] <Jymmm> tiwake: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7773141,-122.6432368,12.54z/data=!4m2!6m1!1szp8nK_5H0MFQ.kzTmU5XK-qJQ?hl=en
[15:17:28] <Contract_Pilot> Get her ready for winter.
[15:17:43] <ssi> what airplane
[15:18:09] <Contract_Pilot> I have a 1976 Cessna 150M
[15:18:18] <tiwake> Jymmm: looks about right
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[15:18:56] <tiwake> Jymmm: I don't like califorina anyway :P
[15:19:44] <ssi> ah
[15:19:50] <ssi> well that'll be a quick wash at least
[15:21:46] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, what i do for a living. http://www.stevenrhine.com/?p=537
[15:22:11] <Contract_Pilot> Ferry small aircraft over the Ocean!
[15:22:14] <ssi> overwater ferry
[15:22:14] <ssi> fun
[15:22:26] <Contract_Pilot> Yep.
[15:22:29] <ssi> I flew an RV6 to the bahamas last month :P
[15:22:32] <ssi> not quite the same
[15:22:51] <Contract_Pilot> I did a 172 CA to Hawaii
[15:23:09] <ssi> I was actually contemplating making some ferry tanks for the RV
[15:23:10] <Contract_Pilot> never again 23.8 hours
[15:23:31] <Jymmm> Contract_Pilot: Just put it on cruse control =)
[15:23:47] <ssi> I could put 30 gallons in the passenger seat/floor and 20 gallons in the back
[15:23:57] <ssi> 88 gallons at 155kt @ 8gph would get me a ways
[15:24:04] <Contract_Pilot> You can put a lot more than that in an RV
[15:24:19] <ssi> yeah but I could do that without having to do any real WORK :)
[15:24:28] <Contract_Pilot> Did you see that guy that went from Guam to FL non Stop.
[15:24:29] <Jymmm> Contract_Pilot: Then you can go back and make a sandwich while the plane flys itself, then a nap afterwards
[15:24:41] <ssi> "go back" where? :P
[15:24:47] * JT-Shop used to think daddy long legs were harmless till he caught them stealing peanut butter from the rat traps
[15:24:50] <Jymmm> ssi: exactly
[15:25:10] <ssi> JT-Shop: what
[15:25:32] <ssi> Contract_Pilot: there's a guy in australia with an rv4 that's circumnavigated twice
[15:25:37] <Contract_Pilot> Uggh. The pack up for the run show starts here in a few hours.
[15:25:37] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Well, more beneficial than nusaunce
[15:25:43] <Contract_Pilot> aggg gun
[15:26:17] <Contract_Pilot> Not sure is i want to mess with this spectralight controller any more.
[15:31:24] <anomynous_> whats the difference between taps with oil grooves and without oil grooves? Nothing really except looks, unless a hole is full of cutting fluid?
[15:31:48] <ssi> oil grooves?
[15:31:50] <ssi> you mean flutes?
[15:31:54] <anomynous_> forming taps
[15:32:13] <ssi> oh ok
[15:32:25] <archivist> there is a difference between forming and cutting
[15:32:30] <ssi> yeah I guess the ones with grooves just prevent hydraulic lock if you're bottoming
[15:33:03] <anomynous_> do they shorten the life of the tool or make it somehow weaker or whatever? Why would they be left out?
[15:33:55] <tiwake> forming taps are really picky about the hole they go in... lol
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[15:35:18] <anomyyni> but if they go in, they go in all the way without breaking so you can tap deep holes
[15:36:08] <anomyyni> without a chip breaking cycle or tapping a hole several times
[15:36:22] <archivist> see machine taps
[15:36:47] * SpeedEvil ponders if there is a term for using a machine screw as a forming tap in aluminium.
[15:36:52] <archivist> no chip breaking on those either
[15:36:52] <SpeedEvil> (other than 'bodge')
[15:37:13] <anomyyni> archivist they too break
[15:37:17] <anomyyni> if you tap too deep
[15:37:25] <archivist> SpeedEvil, there are forming screws available
[15:38:08] <SpeedEvil> archivist: I was meaning standard ones
[15:38:12] <archivist> anything breaks if you go outside its design specs
[15:38:31] <anomyyni> ;D
[15:38:41] <SpeedEvil> archivist: Decent steel into Al of the right hole diameter, with a little lube
[15:38:50] <anomyyni> if i tap really fast, maybe they dont have time to break
[15:38:56] <anomyyni> like in really fast and out really fast
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[15:39:18] <malcom2073> True, if you don't give metal time to think about breaking, it probably won't
[15:39:22] <SpeedEvil> anomynous: that is called 'gun tapping'
[15:39:24] <ssi> that's the ticket... sneak up on it :D
[15:39:33] <SpeedEvil> anomynous: you shoot them in at supersonic speeds.
[15:39:50] <SpeedEvil> (yes, I know)
[15:39:56] <anomynous> SpeedEvil, you mean like punch taps? They attempted but it falls a bit short
[15:39:59] <anomynous> still cool, though
[15:40:00] <anomynous> ;D
[15:40:10] <archivist> I have done thousands of holes with machine taps in blind holes in stainless, they wear out after a while and the friction rises, replace before they snap
[15:40:22] <ssi> archivist: spindle load monitoring ftw :D
[15:40:40] <archivist> ssi hand held :)
[15:40:52] <ssi> that's the easiest way to monitor the load!
[15:41:07] <ssi> calibrated torque sensor built right into your hand
[15:41:12] <archivist> used a jacobs chuck
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[15:41:51] <archivist> fast collet closer on the spindle and a nice fast reversal on the spindle
[15:42:07] <anomynous> archivist, why do they leave oil grooves out of some forming taps?
[15:42:12] <archivist> boring after a while though
[15:42:24] <archivist> what ssi said
[15:42:41] <archivist> no groove is stronger
[15:42:48] <ssi> thru tapping doesn't need the grooves
[15:42:59] <anomynous> so theyre cheaper to make?
[15:43:17] <ssi> cheaper to make and stronger
[15:44:45] <anomynous> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfEVtA7JMg SpeedEvil is this a super sonic tap? ;D i think its cool
[15:45:38] <ssi> whoa
[15:46:36] <ssi> high helix tapping
[15:46:37] <ssi> crazy
[15:49:18] <malcom2073> That's awesome
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[15:56:16] <SpeedEvil> yeah - seen the punch tap before
[15:56:49] <SpeedEvil> neat
[15:58:01] <SpeedEvil> On that topic
[15:58:17] <SpeedEvil> why would you not have it as a linear, not helical 'punch' ?
[15:58:37] <SpeedEvil> I guess centreing
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[16:03:23] <anomynous> maybe its cooler that way
[16:03:26] <anomynous> ;D
[16:04:26] <SpeedEvil> I think it will centre a _lot_ better on reflection
[16:04:47] <anomynous> does it matter? Its hss?
[16:06:56] <anomynous> dunno. Just a thought.
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[16:14:39] <anomynous> http://www.guhring.com/documents/tech/charts/formtapdrill.pdf what is this percent number?
[16:16:27] <skunkworks> Why do I even care.. 'chnc lathe update - mounting gecko drives'
[16:16:32] * skunkworks runs screaming
[16:19:04] <skunkworks> https://youtu.be/BwUjSJV4FnQ
[16:19:10] <anomynous> weird man. Works and screams.
[16:19:17] <anomynous> at the same time
[16:20:40] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: hope he's a better nurse than a machine builder
[16:32:15] <anomynous> i dont get this percentage thing. Is it like the percentage of high high the thread triangle is supposed to become compared to "full" profile or what? I type in 6 major and 1 pitch and 50% gives me 5.66 hole
[16:38:21] <Contract_Pilot> Driver Setting Question. Anyone know the settings for the Microkinetics DM8010's here is the manual http://www.microkinetics.com/pdfmanuals/DM8010.pdf I have 2 running on mach and 7 Spares I plan to use on my other machines.
[16:40:12] <Contract_Pilot> 2 For the 12X Lathe 3 For G0704 3 For For the light machines!
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[17:09:49] <lair82_> skunkworks, that guy is an idiot
[17:14:22] <cradek> aww, that's really too bad
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[17:15:29] <cradek> "it would run off 120V 60A but you can't get that kind of wall socket"
[17:15:43] <_methods> lol
[17:15:46] <skunkworks> cradek, sorry...
[17:16:10] <cradek> how's he going to home the thing?
[17:16:18] <skunkworks> home?
[17:16:21] <cradek> just to the proxes, I guess
[17:16:23] <pcw_home> poorly
[17:16:41] <skunkworks> smoothstepper couldn't home to index anyway.
[17:16:56] <lair82_> I bet it would run long enough for the receptacle and wiring to catch on fire!!!! ;)
[17:17:36] <_methods> yeah we run all the cnc's at my shop off wall sockets
[17:17:38] <_methods> hehe
[17:18:57] <cradek> true, you can get 60A breakers but they are doubles - just use one side and call it good
[17:19:24] <cradek> that #14 wire will be fine
[17:19:46] <lair82_> Maybe someone could tell him to wire up 4 cord sets, and plug them into 4 different breakers????? I think it could work
[17:19:56] <Jymmm> skunkworks: But a 12v battery made the motors spin, "what's wrong with that?"
[17:20:07] <lair82_> 4*15=60
[17:22:31] <Contract_Pilot> Cannot wait to get my PathPilot Disk orderd it yeaterday.
[17:22:50] <Contract_Pilot> To bad noone has released the ISO of it.
[17:27:41] <skunkworks> Contract_Pilot, what fuctionallity do you want that you don't think is in current linuxcnc front-ends?
[17:27:59] <Contract_Pilot> the GUI
[17:28:12] <Contract_Pilot> Conversational
[17:29:02] <archivist> or try the "features" thing
[17:29:58] <skunkworks> I am just thinking that you are going to do a lot of work to un-tormachify the config to make it work for your system.
[17:31:17] <archivist> Contract_Pilot, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giJUiZVTXas
[17:32:51] <Contract_Pilot> http://pathpilot-on-nontormach.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
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[17:34:44] <skunkworks> Contract_Pilot, ok - as long as you know what you are getting into.
[17:35:06] <Contract_Pilot> All in the spirit of fun.
[17:35:12] <Contract_Pilot> and learning.
[17:35:20] <skunkworks> :)
[17:36:10] <Contract_Pilot> Seems every cnc-er i know is excited to see it out.
[17:36:25] <Contract_Pilot> I guess it is really user friendly interface.
[17:38:57] <skunkworks> wow - features is pretty cool
[17:40:18] <FinboySlick> I like it.
[17:40:39] <skunkworks> FinboySlick, have you used it?
[17:41:21] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: Not yet, but I find the way it works pretty neat. I'll definitely install it.
[17:43:44] <FinboySlick> Contract_Pilot: Does it ramp in or does it plunge?
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[17:44:35] <anomynous> umm. Maybe he is a nurse and just hobbing there. I doubt you'd have a clue about how obvious its not to... do some nursing stuff ;D
[17:45:25] <Jymmm> HE talks a LOT for the first half, here's the screen shots... https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WqJmBEWnvpk#t=388
[17:46:08] <pcw_home> One big advantage of LinuxCNC +plus Features Over PathPilot
[17:46:10] <pcw_home> is that you are more likely to get help ( on a non-Tormach machine )
[17:46:11] <pcw_home> This will be even more true if Features gets integrated into LinuxCNC
[17:47:59] <pcw_home> That is you can file bug reports and discuss new features with the developers
[17:48:00] <pcw_home> (you will not be able to do this with Path Pilot)
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[17:57:31] <Tom_itx> and feature requests
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[17:57:51] <Tom_itx> woops didn't read that very well...
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[18:06:03] <skunkworks> feature feature requests...
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[18:10:24] <anomynous> punch tap cycle? ;D it'd be super cool with with a converted knee mill with stepper motors.
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[18:15:23] <MarkusBec> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/tormach-personal-cnc-mill/260722-cnc-tormach-forum-2.html puh machining guys and opensource
[18:19:47] <malcom2073> Everyone on the internet is a lawyer
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[18:27:12] * SpeedEvil has just written 30419 words in a submission to her magesties courts and tribunals service including at least four references to caselaw and several pages of detailed construction on the ultra vires interpretation of regs.
[18:27:34] <SpeedEvil> ^regs and primary legislation
[18:28:00] <malcom2073> Anyone on the internet could do that
[18:28:04] <furrywolf> blah. the guy with the clausing lathes won't take trades for them.
[18:28:13] <malcom2073> Lame
[18:28:17] <malcom2073> Sell one of your 3k's?
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[18:28:33] <furrywolf> nah. I want to trade them. :P
[18:28:40] <furrywolf> $1500 cash is more than I think the lathes are worth.
[18:29:00] <malcom2073> heh
[18:30:39] <SpeedEvil> GPL arguments can get a bit silly.
[18:31:32] * furrywolf knows nothing about gpl arguments
[18:31:54] <SpeedEvil> Primary oops is the assumption that if someone violates GPL, then all their code will be opened by a court judgement, when that is basically almost impossible.
[18:32:44] <furrywolf> they could certainly order the company to comply with the gpl or cease distributing whatever the violating product is.
[18:33:26] <malcom2073> That's what a DCMA is for
[18:34:39] <malcom2073> DMCA rather
[18:34:57] <Contract_Pilot> So by them selling it for 30.00 + shipping is that a GPL violation?
[18:35:39] * furrywolf has no idea what the conversation is about. :P
[18:35:44] <furrywolf> Contract_Pilot: get your sherline working?
[18:35:57] <Contract_Pilot> I gave up.
[18:36:12] <malcom2073> Contract_Pilot: You can sell GPL software
[18:36:29] <furrywolf> build a new control with standard components?
[18:36:36] <Contract_Pilot> Yep.
[18:36:41] <malcom2073> You cannot however restrict what the end user does with it, so they are free to give it away
[18:37:26] <furrywolf> I have http://fw.bushytails.net/mill03.jpg with a flashcut control box... going to have a very similar project to yours soon, as flashcut sucks badly.
[18:37:54] <malcom2073> That's a cute little machine
[18:37:56] <malcom2073> I like it
[18:38:08] <furrywolf> same thing - I'm hoping I can wire the flashcut drives up to a standard parallel port control (in this case, a mesa ethernet adapter) so I don't have to spend more money.
[18:38:31] <Contract_Pilot> seeing what these control boxes sell for on fee bay it will pay for a 7i mesa card I have Drivers and Power supplies
[18:39:25] <Contract_Pilot> I have a pair http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Lightmachines-Lathe-Mill-.jpg
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[18:40:14] <furrywolf> I have the sherline lathe too, but it's not CNCed.
[18:40:48] <Contract_Pilot> I have a 12X36 CNC retrofit almost done!
[18:40:57] * furrywolf thinks "turning center" might be overadvertising a sherline slightly. :P
[18:41:03] <Contract_Pilot> G0704 not even started but collecting parts.
[18:41:33] <Contract_Pilot> then these 2 mini machines i pick up for almost nothing.
[18:42:12] <furrywolf> they're worth a fair bit of money.
[18:42:26] <Contract_Pilot> I got them for 150.00 for the pair
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[18:42:32] <furrywolf> that's a steal.
[18:42:33] <MarkusBec> malcom2073: selling it and give support is not a problem put if the problem based on a gpl projekt other have invented and all are making mimimimimimi if sameone ask for the code
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[18:42:50] <MarkusBec> programm
[18:42:56] <MarkusBec> not problem :)
[18:43:21] <Contract_Pilot> I should have my pathpilot disk in a week or two tormach takes for ever to ship.
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[18:43:55] <Contract_Pilot> Would love to find an ISO of it.
[18:43:57] <MarkusBec> Contract_Pilot: source
[18:44:04] <MarkusBec> on a disk
[18:44:17] <MarkusBec> is tormach located in the mid of affrica
[18:44:21] <Contract_Pilot> The restore disk.
[18:44:48] <MarkusBec> internet?
[18:45:22] <furrywolf> Contract_Pilot: get any life out of the drives trying to manually pulse the step inputs?
[18:45:41] <Contract_Pilot> Already paid for it 30.00 + 7.65 ship.
[18:45:50] <Contract_Pilot> No life.
[18:46:11] <Contract_Pilot> Even wired up another drive no luck.
[18:46:12] <furrywolf> hrmm. so either the pinout is wrong, the instructions are wrong, or your drive might have other issues...
[18:46:48] <malcom2073> MarkusBec: If they're not violating gpl, and the open source project doesn't like what they're doing, they chose their license poorly
[18:47:06] <Contract_Pilot> Yea, was reading that some of these boxes you have to install a pull up resistor on a cuircuit but no details.
[18:47:33] <malcom2073> On the other hand, I read they're sponsoring development or something somewhere, so good for them? I dunno, I'll never own a tormach so I'll probably never use their stuff heh
[18:47:37] <furrywolf> just for the hell of it, tried removing the "remove for old control" jumper?
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[18:47:53] <Contract_Pilot> Yep...
[18:48:17] <Contract_Pilot> Spent to much time on it more time than i wanted to.
[18:49:18] <Contract_Pilot> Thinking about removing the board from the box and scanning it
[18:49:41] <Contract_Pilot> But right now it will go on e-bay and go to my Mesa Funds.
[18:50:26] <Contract_Pilot> In the meantime i will disassemble the 2 small machines clean them up install modern steppers etc.
[18:50:27] <furrywolf> I managed to save up the funds for the mesa board I need, but after that taking a very long time, they're now out of stock forever.
[18:50:45] <furrywolf> unless there's something wrong with the steppers, no reason to create projects. :P
[18:51:13] <MarkusBec> furrywolf: there are nice new mesa boards ;)
[18:51:16] <Contract_Pilot> Ill pull them hook them to a driver and see if they work.
[18:51:50] <furrywolf> MarkusBec: I'm buying a pair of ethernet boards, which are nice new boards. :P
[18:51:54] <Contract_Pilot> But i think the doc's say they are 80 ox-in
[18:52:03] <MarkusBec> furrywolf: :)
[18:52:03] * furrywolf would hook them to a drive without pulling them
[18:52:11] <MarkusBec> I have 2 7i92
[18:52:37] <Contract_Pilot> I was told ethernet will not work with LCNC?
[18:52:40] <furrywolf> I need a 7i76e and whatever the ethernet one with a parallel plug on the back of it is... might be a 7i92.
[18:52:50] <MarkusBec> 6i25 and 7i43
[18:52:54] <furrywolf> mesa's ethernet products are made for linuxcnc.
[18:53:08] <MarkusBec> Contract_Pilot: it was difficult to setup
[18:53:09] <furrywolf> and are supported out-of-the-box on 2.7, the latest release.
[18:53:17] <MarkusBec> but now its easy
[18:53:50] <MarkusBec> debian jessie with linuxcnc 2,7 is broken at the moment
[18:54:04] <furrywolf> s/with linuxcnc 2.7//
[18:54:06] <MarkusBec> hostmot2 is not in the reposirotys
[18:54:15] <MarkusBec> but wheezy works fine
[18:54:20] <furrywolf> jessie is plain out broken.
[18:54:54] <Contract_Pilot> Humm then ethernet may be an option?
[18:55:16] <Contract_Pilot> Still undecided how i want to get away from mach!
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[18:56:25] <furrywolf> you can run your machines with a parallel port, but it has limitations mesa products don't.
[18:57:00] <Contract_Pilot> Yes, i want to go with a mesa product.
[18:57:10] <Contract_Pilot> Spindle encoder.
[18:57:17] <Contract_Pilot> Threading.
[18:58:21] <furrywolf> rapids... :P
[18:58:30] <Contract_Pilot> My spindle motor is a 3phase hooked to a hitachi wj200
[18:59:46] <Contract_Pilot> as close as i could get it in mach ising PMDX-107 for PMW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJrh4q2omlc
[19:00:32] <Contract_Pilot> Spent many hours to get it to be that close and still falls on its face at high RPM
[19:00:43] <MarkusBec> Contract_Pilot: ethernet is the way to go i think
[19:00:55] <MarkusBec> only 1 ethernet cable to the mashine
[19:01:02] <Contract_Pilot> Have a ESS for mach right now.
[19:01:19] <MarkusBec> ess?
[19:01:19] <skunkworks> css works too...
[19:01:27] <skunkworks> ehternet smoothstepper
[19:01:32] <MarkusBec> ah
[19:01:53] <MarkusBec> is mach working with windows8/10?
[19:02:05] <MarkusBec> i think it will be a problem in the future
[19:02:08] <Contract_Pilot> I have win 7 installed.
[19:02:22] <Contract_Pilot> Mach support sucks for turning.
[19:02:35] <furrywolf> that reminds me, I need to tell everyone I know to turn off windows update.
[19:02:50] <MarkusBec> furrywolf: :D
[19:02:57] <Contract_Pilot> No quadrature encoder support.
[19:03:07] <skunkworks> Contract_Pilot, plus with linucnc you can do all sorts of cool stuff..
[19:03:10] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdCQ0X7b2uo&feature=youtu.be
[19:03:27] <MarkusBec> i think i will upgrade my mill with the 7i42 to a 7i80HD
[19:03:54] <furrywolf> MarkusBec: win8 is now in windows update. a nice 3GB download.... whether you want it or not.
[19:04:20] <furrywolf> win10
[19:04:33] <PCW> I should have the 7I93 available soon (Ethernet 7I43)
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[19:04:56] <PCW> same 48 I/O
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[19:05:11] <MarkusBec> PCW: nice
[19:05:23] <Contract_Pilot> I would love 1 box to control 2 machines or all 4 Machines.
[19:05:26] <furrywolf> how about 7i76es?
[19:05:59] <malcom2073> Awww. a screw fell out of my gear box, and it doesn't wanna go back in
[19:07:04] <Sync> loctite 603
[19:07:24] <furrywolf> that's only if it goes back in. if it won't go back in, then you use jbweld. :)
[19:07:31] <MattyMatt> retaining screw won't come out of my new-to-me drilldriver
[19:07:48] <malcom2073> The threads messed up, it's one of the bolts that holds the gearbox main gear on
[19:07:59] <malcom2073> I'm gonna go buy a replacement bolt, and a tap to chase the threads in the shaft
[19:08:27] <malcom2073> Be the fourth of fifth tap I've bought this month, I should just buy a set
[19:08:32] <MattyMatt> nice jacob's keyless chuck, and my first task is to drill inside it :p
[19:09:03] <MattyMatt> it'll be nice to use the tools for other stuff besides fixing tools now and then
[19:09:34] <furrywolf> just remember there's a very fine line between chasing threads and removing threads. about 1/4 a thread width, to be exact... :P
[19:09:50] <Contract_Pilot> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_85&product_id=290
[19:09:51] <furrywolf> lol
[19:10:05] <Contract_Pilot> Wonder if it would work for what i want to do.
[19:10:42] <furrywolf> it's overkill for a sherline. :)
[19:10:59] <MattyMatt> it's good to have options. you can always add more axis
[19:11:00] <Contract_Pilot> or should i stick with the card and daughter 7I76-5I25
[19:11:12] <MattyMatt> sherline sell extra axis
[19:11:22] <furrywolf> I'm getting one for my shoptask, which has two spindles and other crap.
[19:11:27] <Contract_Pilot> I have a 12X36 lathe and a G0704 Mill
[19:11:28] <MarkusBec> Contract_Pilot: hm with uspcae i think its possible?
[19:12:11] <Contract_Pilot> the shearlines will get somthing to make them work.
[19:13:31] <MattyMatt> parport will do for my little lathe, if it can handle quad spindle encoder
[19:13:42] <Contract_Pilot> Spent my mesa funds to get the shearlines hahaha
[19:13:52] <furrywolf> sherline. no a. :P
[19:14:48] <Contract_Pilot> Should be able to off the Controller on ebay and get some of my funds back.
[19:15:04] <furrywolf> do you have the isa cards for it?
[19:15:15] <Contract_Pilot> Untill them LPT to my PMDX-126
[19:15:28] <Contract_Pilot> Nope no ISA Card
[19:15:35] <MattyMatt> replicate the cnc conversion and sell it on as a complete conversion
[19:15:42] <furrywolf> people want the control box without the card? heh
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[19:15:55] <MattyMatt> cheap chinese motors and a few brackets, and those red plastic cones
[19:17:38] <Contract_Pilot> I have plans for the mill... Dedicated AR-15 Lower mill.
[19:18:12] <Contract_Pilot> They are not in bad shape at all...
[19:18:21] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Lightmachines-Lathe-Mill-.jpg
[19:19:30] <Contract_Pilot> I have 3 286 5A Steppers sitting in a box I aquired.
[19:20:00] <Contract_Pilot> thik it would be over kill for the shearline
[19:20:48] <Contract_Pilot> On the shelf i have a 500watt 3,000 RPM AC Servo could use it for a Spindle.
[19:22:16] * furrywolf decides Contract_Pilot is one of those people who likes overcomplicating projects
[19:22:24] <MattyMatt> a retaining screw on a chuck isn't left handed is it? it wouldn't be afaics
[19:22:41] <Contract_Pilot> Yep... got me!
[19:23:30] <Contract_Pilot> But I will strip the shearlines down clean them spary them with ACF 50 and stick them in a closet! have to focas on my 12X36 lathe
[19:23:43] <furrywolf> MattyMatt: is this the one down inside the chuck that you get to with the jaws open?
[19:23:45] <furrywolf> if so, they're often left-handed... their job is to keep the chuck from unscrewing when you reverse it...
[19:23:57] <MarkusBec> PCW: is ther any schedule for the 7i43
[19:24:07] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.stevenrhine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/My-CNC-12X36-Lathe.jpg
[19:24:09] <MattyMatt> cool, yeah it's reversible drill/driver
[19:24:17] <PCW> 7I93?
[19:24:19] <MattyMatt> I'll give that a bash, literally
[19:24:40] <MarkusBec> the 7i43 with erhernet
[19:24:57] <MattyMatt> static torsion on plastic drill in vice = limited
[19:25:07] <MarkusBec> ah yes 7i93
[19:25:20] <PCW> Yeah probably a couple months, kitting first lot now
[19:25:53] <PCW> same price as 7I92 just different form factor/connectors
[19:26:19] <furrywolf> and 7i76es? :)
[19:26:51] <PCW> being built now all up to assy house
[19:27:09] <furrywolf> yay
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[19:28:40] <Contract_Pilot> So what would be Preferd Card or Ethernet?
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[19:29:08] <furrywolf> I use a laptop, so I prefer ethernet. :P
[19:30:23] <Contract_Pilot> Using a laptop would be good for me here also.
[19:30:42] <Contract_Pilot> my shop is small and finding a place for the PC hahaha going to be fun.
[19:31:10] <furrywolf> at least you have a shop.
[19:31:16] <furrywolf> I have a storage unit, and a driveway...
[19:31:17] <Contract_Pilot> Garage.
[19:31:41] <Contract_Pilot> and is is only 1/3'd a 2 car garage.
[19:31:52] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Swivel-Tilt-Wall-Mount-Bracket-For-15-19-22-24-LED-LCD-Plasma-3D-TV-VESA-75-100-/151043241318 these are great
[19:32:18] <MattyMatt> mount screen above headheight and it'l "never" get in the way
[19:32:32] <furrywolf> I don't have a garage.
[19:32:36] <MattyMatt> pita when you want to sit down and write gcode tho
[19:32:42] <furrywolf> I have a rented storage unit, and a driveway. heh.
[19:33:10] <MrSunshine> engraving chrome plated brass using rotary engraving tools, will that work ? =)
[19:33:58] <furrywolf> yes?
[19:34:56] <MattyMatt> nice idea, if you can get 2 metals + spaces
[19:35:05] <MrSunshine> but isnt chrome hard as hell ? =)
[19:35:33] <MattyMatt> but very thin, and with a V bit you're cutting from the side
[19:35:38] <furrywolf> it's also thin as hell, and carbide is even harder... :P
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[19:36:22] <MrSunshine> ah carbide is harder, then i guess it will be aight =)
[19:36:36] <MrSunshine> got a request to engrave in paint guns for one i know and they are chrome plated
[19:37:34] <MattyMatt> if they are made of chrome DIY pipe then you'll be OK, if it's special gun stuff you'll have fun
[19:38:36] <MattyMatt> chromed plumbing is usually copper underneath, but the towel rails are chromed brass so I'd guess it was that stuff
[19:39:01] <MrSunshine> LPHV spray gun
[19:39:19] <FinboySlick> Contract_Pilot: Is the carriage normally rack driven on that lathe?
[19:39:58] <Contract_Pilot> Rock Driven?
[19:40:01] <Contract_Pilot> Rack
[19:40:33] <FinboySlick> Contract_Pilot: I see a rack along the ways of the lathe you linked.
[19:41:01] <FinboySlick> Obviously your motor drives the screw. I was wondering what the rack is for.
[19:41:04] <Contract_Pilot> Never ran it manually so would not know I removed them items from it.
[19:41:20] * MattyMatt assumed paintgun = paintball
[19:41:22] <Contract_Pilot> I got it as a unfinished CNC project.
[19:41:35] <FinboySlick> Contract_Pilot: OK.
[19:42:21] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.birminghamlathes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ycl1236.jpg
[19:42:40] <Contract_Pilot> How it looked as a manual machine.
[19:45:22] <CaptHindsight> Chinese Whitebox Lathe
[19:47:08] <CaptHindsight> screw and rack
[19:47:44] <FinboySlick> Screw for powerfeed and rack for handwheel?
[19:48:00] <CaptHindsight> yes, oui
[19:48:30] <FinboySlick> Sounds backlashy.
[19:49:56] <furrywolf> andy: been to http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2015/08/dismaland/ yet? :P
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[19:51:15] <XXCoder> heys
[19:52:07] <FinboySlick> Wow, is that a caroussel that swings you side to side rather than up and won? http://www.thisiscolossal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/disma-10.jpg
[19:52:44] <XXCoder> FinboySlick: or both
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[19:55:20] <andypugh> I am probably going a bit further than necessary with the 3D model of the Holbrook.
[19:55:21] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Z_zwwhnc8hgsaA4hCUSm2NMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[19:55:47] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> andy: been to http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2015/08/dismaland/ yet? :P
[19:56:07] <CaptHindsight> "Entrance to the event requires an uncomfortably awkward NSA-esque security screening, and of course, you exit through the gift shop." perfect
[19:56:45] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Carve it out of a solid block of granite!
[19:57:07] <FinboySlick> What are the long tapers, btw?
[19:58:05] <andypugh> Those a spiral spring covers
[19:58:19] <andypugh> I am tempted to 3D print a little one
[19:58:25] <XXCoder> whats with small gap
[19:59:10] <FinboySlick> XXCoder: Probably the part where you make contact with the covered screw.
[19:59:11] <XXCoder> is it place where you attach that thing to spring
[19:59:47] <andypugh> The gap between the covers? The ballnut goes there
[19:59:57] <XXCoder> yea thats what I guessed
[20:00:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.centryco.com/centry-covers-2/
[20:02:08] <andypugh> There is actual design work going on under the covers https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/t30w7IzwpLdSNfPFP6orwNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
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[20:05:06] <MattyMatt> http://www.mtmc.co.uk/Skil-2475U1-/-F0152475A1-Spare-Parts__p-81219.aspx not bad for a freebe. I can't see if the screw's LH in that pic tho, but I can buy a new one for £1.08
[20:06:23] <furrywolf> meh. I'm tired. I should work on something, though... I can test drive the subaru, I can work on generators, I can work on the mill electronics enclosure, I can clean house... or I can keep sitting here catching up on jwz's blog.
[20:06:43] <XXCoder> furrywolf: first step: create clones
[20:07:01] <MattyMatt> andypugh with a roller you could get soda cans to telescope
[20:07:17] <andypugh> furrywolf: That theme park looks great. Several things made me snigger, and the wierdly artefacted statue is brilliant.
[20:07:22] <MattyMatt> beer cans are longer
[20:07:48] <furrywolf> too bad it's very far from here. I'd go wander around just for laughs.
[20:07:57] <MattyMatt> I live in a real dismaland. I don't think it's funny
[20:08:18] <MattyMatt> new brighton
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[20:08:47] <andypugh> The chuck screw generally is LH
[20:08:53] <MattyMatt> (tower dismantled 1929, pier demolished 1969 , lido demolished 1991)
[20:09:12] <MattyMatt> you can still find a seagull to nick your chips for you tho
[20:09:23] <andypugh> At least they demolished the pier, unlike Old Brighton who are just letting it fall down
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[20:10:27] <andypugh> http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/West-Pier-21040212.jpg
[20:10:45] <Sync> andypugh: is it advisable to put a yaw rate sensor for a car in the middle or does it not matter much?
[20:11:07] <MattyMatt> it was a hazard to shipping, poking into the mouth of the mersey
[20:11:13] <furrywolf> jwz's blog is sometimes... interesting. https://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/08/ovipositive-2/ and people think I'm weird. :P
[20:12:34] <MattyMatt> theoretical hazard, it's the shallow side of the river, and all the shipping goes to the container terminal outside now
[20:12:41] <andypugh> Sync: I suspect it doesn’t matter, you would expect it to be insensitive to other accelerations. But whether it is 100% insensitive, I wouldn’t know. Do model aircraft folks obsess about where they put the rate gyro? That might give a clue.
[20:13:17] <Sync> well looking at some places where people mount theirs it doesn't really seem to matter much
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[20:13:43] <Sync> a lot of early stability control systems have it on the transmission tunnel
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[20:14:15] <Sync> so I'm wondering if it matters or not
[20:14:23] <andypugh> An agency has spammed me saying that they want “A rounded mechanical engineer”. Right, the diet starts tomorrow :-)
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[20:16:28] <MattyMatt> there's a place you can upload lathe models
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[20:17:36] <Sync> also andypugh yaw rate, not accel
[20:17:39] <Sync> gyro ;)
[20:18:27] <MattyMatt> http://www.3dcontentcentral.com/ not the one I was thinking of, but shiny
[20:18:27] <andypugh> I imagine the yaw-rate sensor is an integrating accelerometer
[20:18:43] <Sync> oh no
[20:18:56] <Sync> most systems I have seen are actually pretty involved
[20:19:14] <Sync> early BMWs had a vibrating structure gyro
[20:19:33] <Sync> they then switched to mems with capacitive accel and gyro
[20:20:18] <andypugh> That’s my point, it’s all acceleration really
[20:20:49] <andypugh> The alternative would be a huge inertia weight that the car moved under.
[20:21:33] <andypugh> Hmm, actually, some of the Mems gyros work on a standing wave staying still while the structure moves under it, I think, Which sounds like magic.
[20:21:49] <Sync> yes
[20:21:52] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: is the idea to ride the car to the top to watch the old pier decay? http://www.brightoni360.co.uk/
[20:22:19] <Sync> which is why you need a gyro + accel
[20:25:58] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: It does seem optimally sited for that
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[20:34:20] <Contract_Pilot> Hello, Andy
[20:35:11] <PetefromTn_> that KINDA sorta reminds me of the tower in KNoxville
[20:36:09] <Contract_Pilot> Debating 7I76-5I25 or 7I76E having the spcae savings by being able to use a laptop is a + vs messing with a PC and finding room.
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[20:39:40] <Contract_Pilot> Both are out of stock....
[20:39:41] <skunkworks> You have to make sure your laptop runs rt-preempt well
[20:40:12] <Contract_Pilot> rt-preempt?
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[20:41:06] <zeeshan> hi all
[20:41:31] <XXCoder> hey
[20:41:46] <PetefromTn_> hey
[20:41:54] <zeeshan> i really need to get this ssh running
[20:41:58] <zeeshan> not being able to irc from work
[20:42:00] <zeeshan> is a pain in the ass
[20:42:07] <zeeshan> i cant even remote desktop to my computer
[20:42:08] * Jymmm lol @ zeeshan
[20:42:10] <zeeshan> so i cant access my files
[20:42:21] <zeeshan> i keep needing reference files
[20:43:04] <fenn> is that a security precaution or just to keep people from goofing off?
[20:43:21] <Contract_Pilot> Can you run 2 7I76 from one 5i25 card's
[20:43:27] <zeeshan> prolly both
[20:43:30] <zeeshan> yuoutube is banned too
[20:43:35] <zeeshan> i use youtube a lot for quick answers
[20:43:43] <Contract_Pilot> 1 7I76 for the lathe and one for the mill?
[20:43:55] <skunkworks> Contract_Pilot: ethernet stil requires realtime connection between the computer and hardware. For ethernet devices you need to use rt-preemt realtime.
[20:44:21] <Contract_Pilot> thanks skunk works.
[20:45:08] <Jymmm> Is black pipe ok to used for an outdoor hand rail?
[20:45:11] <fenn> mumble mumble beaglebone
[20:45:37] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: PVC?
[20:45:49] <Contract_Pilot> I think the 7I76 - 5I25 is my best bet for now.
[20:46:05] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Hand rail, as in support a person's weight going up/down stairs
[20:46:20] <fenn> Jymmm: you should use the acetylene tanks for that
[20:46:30] <PetefromTn_> you'd have to paint it unless you use stainless I suppose
[20:46:50] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Inside or outside? I suspect it might get brittle with age.
[20:46:52] <Jymmm> so black pipe rusts easily?
[20:47:09] <PetefromTn_> well I would not say easily
[20:47:15] <Jymmm> outdoors
[20:47:19] <Jymmm> in the rain, etc
[20:47:24] <PetefromTn_> but I would think untreated outdoors eventually it would yeah
[20:47:48] <Jymmm> I've seen pipe railings out doors unpaint, but it was NOT galvanized, so wasn't sur.e
[20:47:50] <PetefromTn_> they make galvanized pipe the same type I think
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[20:49:12] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Go buy a VPS, they're like $2 a month
[20:50:04] <Contract_Pilot> Not many used ones out there either so must be good.
[20:50:39] <roycroft> black pipe will rust eventually but not immediately, except where it's been threaded/machined
[20:50:44] <zeeshan> vps?
[20:50:46] <zeeshan> you mean vpn?
[20:50:51] <roycroft> in which case it will rust the first time you sneeze in the same room as it
[20:50:58] <roycroft> a vps is not a vpn
[20:51:00] <Jymmm> roycroft: =)
[20:51:04] <roycroft> a vps is a virtual private server
[20:51:56] <MarkusBec> next week I have to update 2 linuxcnc instalations
[20:52:01] <malcom2073> Yep, VPS gives you ssh access to the outside world
[20:52:05] <malcom2073> and can also be used as VPN if needed
[20:52:05] <MarkusBec> still ubuntu 10.04 lts
[20:52:21] <roycroft> yes, but it's not a vpn
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[20:52:28] <malcom2073> No, it's not. It's a vps
[20:52:31] <roycroft> a vpn would be a service running on a server
[20:52:32] <Jymmm> roycroft: I'll have to see if home depot has and can thread galvanized pipe; I need an oddball length on about 66"
[20:52:34] <roycroft> and that server could be a vps
[20:52:39] <MarkusBec> I hop it will work out of the box
[20:52:49] <malcom2073> Ah I missed that zeeshan thought I meant vpn. Yeah no, VPS
[20:52:52] <roycroft> galvanized pipe will rust when you sneeze too, where you've threaded it
[20:52:57] <Contract_Pilot> So unmotovated today.
[20:53:08] <roycroft> so you want to get a can of cold galvenizing spray when you buy your pipe
[20:53:15] <roycroft> and spray around the threaded joints
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[20:53:50] <Jymmm> roycroft: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rust-Oleum-Professional-15-oz-Flat-Gray-Cold-Galvanizing-Compound-7585838/100142963
[20:54:11] <roycroft> or goober the joints with vaseline, and be prepared to smear more on occasionally
[20:54:27] <Jymmm> roycroft: That be a waste of good lube =)
[20:54:34] <roycroft> i'm just presenting options
[20:54:42] <roycroft> it's not for me to determine which is optimal for your situation
[20:55:19] <Jymmm> roycroft: I like the galvanizing spray, I can use it on the HVAC ducting that has some surface rust
[20:55:28] <Jymmm> too
[20:55:32] <roycroft> it works pretty well
[20:55:39] <roycroft> i've used it a number of times
[20:55:44] <Jymmm> roycroft: Thanks, I had never heard of it before.
[20:55:51] <roycroft> it's a little pricey, but it does the job
[20:55:53] <_methods> galv sticks
[20:56:00] <Jymmm> _methods: ?
[20:56:09] <_methods> you just heat up the part and put the stick on it
[20:56:15] <_methods> galv sticks
[20:56:26] <Jymmm> roycroft: Eh, $6 so save years of painting to prevent rust works for me
[20:56:30] <roycroft> it goes on kind of thick, but that's what you want
[20:56:34] <roycroft> lots of zinc
[20:56:48] <Jymmm> roycroft: Does it rub off easily?
[20:56:54] <roycroft> it's fairly durable
[20:57:08] <Jymmm> roycroft: We have birds, and zinc is very toxic to them.
[20:57:12] <roycroft> but you'll probably need to respray every few years if it gets any wear
[20:57:17] <_methods> galv sticks work best on something you just welded
[20:57:20] <_methods> that was galvanized
[20:57:34] <roycroft> well the galvanized pipe is coated with zinc too
[20:58:02] <Jymmm> roycroft: I would think the pipe coating wout be more durable than a aspray addon
[20:58:16] <roycroft> it is more durable
[20:58:19] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/Galvanizing-Repair-Solder-Whole-Stick/dp/B001QUZ94A
[20:58:24] <roycroft> it's hot galvanized
[20:58:26] <Deejay> gn8
[20:58:31] <Jymmm> Deejay: gn9
[20:58:37] <roycroft> i.e. the steel pipe is heated up and coated with liquid zinc
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[20:59:05] <roycroft> if you get water pipe
[20:59:24] <roycroft> some galvanized electrical pipe is zinc plated, and that is not very durable
[20:59:28] <Jymmm> roycroft: Right, it's the spray coating I'm mostly concerned with
[21:00:04] <roycroft> yes, as i said, you would have to renew it every few years
[21:00:24] <Jymmm> k
[21:00:37] <roycroft> assuming there's some wear on the joints, as in the pipe being used as a hand rail or something
[21:00:53] <roycroft> i've used it in applications where there is no wear, and it lasts indefinitely
[21:01:00] <Jymmm> roycroft: exactly what it's being used for
[21:01:06] <Jymmm> ah
[21:01:37] <Jymmm> Heh, I'll shrink wrap the pipe =)
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[21:14:22] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1508643250/lumipocket-lt-a-revolutionary-personal-fabricator/description can someone that knows nothing about machine or robot design explain to me their attraction to this? looks like a coffee maker?
[21:16:00] <CaptHindsight> low cost and appears to be useful?
[21:16:02] <roycroft> whenever i see the word "kickstarter" in a url i'm immediately unattracted to it, so i can't help
[21:16:48] <MarkusBec> new week, new we will change the world wir home cnc 3dprint blablabla kikstarter
[21:16:55] <MarkusBec> with
[21:16:56] <roycroft> and that one is yet another really bad example
[21:17:06] <renesis> capthindsight: um, it 3d prints, exposes PCB blanks, laser engraves, and possibly more!
[21:17:12] <roycroft> those kickstarter things accomplish two things:
[21:17:24] <roycroft> 1. they get the people who do the campaigns a lot of money
[21:17:56] <roycroft> 2. they drive the cost expectation of a useful device below the cost to manufacture it, harming the very market in which it wishes to compete
[21:17:56] <CaptHindsight> makes more Yoda heads
[21:18:01] <_methods> you forgot 1 thing......they make me laugh
[21:18:17] <roycroft> they would make me laugh if they were not so harmful
[21:18:21] <renesis> yeah wtf yoda heads
[21:18:25] <renesis> everyone does that
[21:18:35] <_methods> i dont' understand the vase thing
[21:18:42] <_methods> they all print vases
[21:18:55] <_methods> 3d printer people must really like flowers
[21:19:16] <CaptHindsight> there was a worldwide shortage of Yoda heads and vases at one time
[21:19:21] <roycroft> they are really vase-shaped guns
[21:19:24] <SpeedEvil> Kickstarter is especially dangerous from a western perspective on #2 when it's chinese people doing it
[21:19:40] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/0yldgdW.jpg ...no yoda heads
[21:19:56] <_methods> hahah vases
[21:20:13] <MarkusBec> kikstarter in a nutshell step 1 Buy koks step 2 open an campain with something stupid step 3 buy more Kokain with the mony you get step 4 say you net twice the time as expected
[21:20:17] <MarkusBec> step 5 fail
[21:20:39] <roycroft> many of them are well-intentioned, i must say
[21:21:01] <roycroft> but there are too many na�ve, altruistic simpletons who start them and don't realise what they're doing
[21:21:08] <roycroft> they think that they can do a prototype run and not pay themselves
[21:21:29] <roycroft> just charge the actual cost of materials to do the product builds, with no labor or profit included
[21:21:36] <roycroft> then they get the money, do the thing
[21:21:50] <Wolf_Mill> pebble time watch run was a good example of using kickstarter not quite as intended but more like a pre-order system lol
[21:22:01] <roycroft> get burned out because they just spent six months of 18 hour days building the prototype run
[21:22:03] <roycroft> and give up
[21:22:25] <roycroft> at which point people expect similar products to cost the same as the burnout kickstarter price
[21:22:52] <roycroft> and i haven't even mentioned the initial r&d costs
[21:22:59] <renesis> roycroft: the only way i could imagine doing one is being totally public about BOM cost, estimated manufacturing costs, with working production prototypes
[21:23:04] <roycroft> which probably they spent a year on before doing the stupid kickstarter
[21:23:08] <renesis> anything less seems shady
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[21:23:33] <roycroft> the concept of kickstarter is great
[21:23:36] <renesis> basically the same as what I would walk up to VC money with
[21:23:38] <roycroft> the execution has been less than stellar
[21:25:04] <renesis> ha, and a big enough project, you need to basically have a business plan including employee costs
[21:25:28] <renesis> a lot of shit is like, CHECK OUT MY PHOTOSHOP GIMME MONEY!
[21:25:34] <PetefromTn_> heh what are employees?
[21:25:52] <renesis> people you hire because you dunno how to do that shit
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[21:26:04] <PetefromTn_> OH HELL I need some of those
[21:26:13] <renesis> also ha @ original ideas, because physically impossible
[21:26:15] <t12> how about wallets on kickstarter
[21:26:23] <t12> there have been so many REVOLUTIONARY $100k kickstarter wallets
[21:26:37] <renesis> wallet?
[21:26:41] <SpeedEvil> renesis: yeah - people getting butthurt on obvious stuff getting copied
[21:26:52] <t12> https://www.kickstarter.com/discover/advanced?term=wallet&sort=most_funded&seed=2404208&page=1
[21:26:56] <roycroft> petefromtn_: children
[21:26:59] <SpeedEvil> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/prtyny/disco-dog-the-smartphone-controlled-led-dog-vest?ref=nav_search - genuinely innovative
[21:27:05] <roycroft> go forth and breed
[21:27:15] <t12> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/189943599/machine-era-wallet?ref=discovery
[21:27:19] <t12> 250k
[21:27:24] <t12> they.. MACHINED IT
[21:27:25] <PetefromTn_> done that
[21:27:26] <t12> revolutionary
[21:27:58] <SpeedEvil> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ostrich-pillow/batband?ref=category_location - and projects you want to punch people when using
[21:27:59] <roycroft> it takes a pretty revolutionary wallet to be that skinny and still hold $250k
[21:28:10] <SpeedEvil> err - nvm
[21:28:14] <SpeedEvil> I misunderstood that one
[21:28:27] <renesis> its a moneyclip?
[21:28:31] <SpeedEvil> that is actually pretty cool - if it actually works
[21:28:37] <CaptHindsight> two $100K bills and one $50K bill, easy
[21:28:58] <renesis> speedevil: looks like shit would fall right out
[21:29:35] <t12> the so-cal-bro marketing aesthetic is so intense nowadays
[21:29:47] <CaptHindsight> I ave this idea to build small bags into clothing for holding things
[21:30:05] <renesis> capthindsight: i think you should have the bags on the inside of the clothes
[21:30:08] <CaptHindsight> they can even have a flap with a snap or button to close them
[21:30:16] <renesis> nice
[21:30:25] <renesis> prob never catch on tho
[21:30:28] <CaptHindsight> renesis: yes inside or outside
[21:30:37] <CaptHindsight> or even with a zipper
[21:31:52] <CaptHindsight> I called them "Body Bags" but for some reason the marketing research didn't go well
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[21:33:38] <_methods> what will you call them?
[21:33:44] <_methods> clothes sacks
[21:33:55] <_methods> pants buckets?
[21:33:56] <renesis> i would stick with body bags
[21:35:15] <zeeshan-pi> test
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[21:41:18] <zeeshan-pi> okay box is setup
[21:41:24] <zeeshan-pi> hopefully i can access this port tomorrow :P
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[21:49:04] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: One of the most interesting things I ever saw on Antiques Roadshow was a “pocket”
[21:49:51] <andypugh> It was hundreds of years old, from before they were built in to clothes. And shows that the rhyme “Lucy Locket lost her pocket” is at least as old as that style of pocket.
[21:52:43] <andypugh> I over-exagerated the age, it was probably from the 1700s. http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/articles/a/history-of-pockets/
[21:55:56] <Contract_Pilot> Hows it going andy.
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[21:56:31] <_methods> wut these pocket things already exist
[21:56:37] <andypugh> I am 3D modelling for fun and recreation
[21:58:10] <andypugh> Contract_Pilot: You found IRC then?
[21:58:21] <Contract_Pilot> Yep.
[21:58:30] <Contract_Pilot> Gave up on that box.
[21:58:44] <Contract_Pilot> Just going to make a modern one.
[21:59:05] <andypugh> People forget that the PC motherobard is one of the cheapest and most easily changed parts of the system
[22:01:41] <Contract_Pilot> Cannot wait to get my copy of Path Pilot and start playing/.
[22:02:23] <Contract_Pilot> Orderd it last night we will see how long it takes them to ship some say 1 week some say 2-3 weeks unless you own a tormach.
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[22:04:27] <zeeshan> andypugh: have you done dynamic analysis in inventor?
[22:05:58] <zeeshan> im forced to use inventor fea at work
[22:06:01] <zeeshan> it drives me insane..
[22:06:07] <zeeshan> it has pros and cons
[22:06:13] <zeeshan> pros -- parametric study
[22:06:19] <zeeshan> con - can't control my damn mesh
[22:06:40] <zeeshan> i dunno if it's changed in 2015 wher eyou can do point of influence
[22:06:44] <zeeshan> or apply forces at specific nodes
[22:06:52] <zeeshan> youd thhink any basic fea can handle this?
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[22:08:07] <jdh> Contract_Pilot: they sell standalone copies of 'path pilot'?
[22:08:27] <Contract_Pilot> Yes,
[22:08:32] <jdh> url?
[22:08:52] <Contract_Pilot> http://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=35246
[22:09:05] <Wolf_Mill> hmm wonder if any US vendors sell 1204 ballscrews
[22:09:43] <jdh> Do you have a Tormach PathPilot controller?
[22:09:45] <andypugh> zeeshan: What do you mean by dynamic analysis?
[22:09:57] <Contract_Pilot> Wish they would allow pay and then download. 7.65 for shipping that costs them 5.15
[22:09:58] <zeeshan> force analysis
[22:09:59] <zeeshan> like
[22:10:03] <andypugh> I am about to do some static FEA to check my ballscrew mount/drive
[22:10:16] <zeeshan> for example im using it for sesmic testing parts
[22:10:23] <Contract_Pilot> See http://pathpilot-on-nontormach.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
[22:10:31] <zeeshan> think of a swinging pendulum
[22:10:33] <zeeshan> when it's moving
[22:10:37] <zeeshan> youre concerned about the peak forces
[22:10:47] <zeeshan> and at each of those worse case scenarios you wanna do a static fea
[22:11:01] <zeeshan> its kind of a pain to use.. but im new to it
[22:11:02] <zeeshan> im used to ansys
[22:12:37] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/C6LgVJP.jpg
[22:12:43] <zeeshan> thats what i was messing at work today
[22:13:00] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/FtnET1nqP6Zuq7TbqL5fXtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[22:13:20] <zeeshan> nice!
[22:13:31] <andypugh> I wouldn’t think that Inventor was the right tool for the job.
[22:13:41] <zeeshan> it's powerful
[22:13:44] <zeeshan> just too basic
[22:13:49] <andypugh> You should probably use something serious, like RADIOSS
[22:14:21] <zeeshan> we test our cells always
[22:14:22] <andypugh> Depending on what you are doing you might even need an explicit code
[22:14:27] <zeeshan> so a super accurate analysis isn't needed
[22:14:33] <zeeshan> +/-25%-30% is ok
[22:14:38] <andypugh> OK
[22:14:57] <andypugh> You are aware that most FEA assumes static equilibrium?
[22:15:12] <zeeshan> yes ofcourse
[22:15:19] <andypugh> (Explicit code doesn’t, it has a time axis to the calculations)
[22:15:48] <zeeshan> i think for most stuff i do
[22:15:52] <andypugh> So for things like car-crashes with viso-elastic people, you use time-stepping code
[22:15:53] <zeeshan> its okay to just take a part at a snipper of time
[22:16:04] <zeeshan> yea i am trying to use abaqus explicit
[22:16:05] <zeeshan> for my smp
[22:16:27] <zeeshan> let me tell you a situation i come across a lot
[22:16:40] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: so you're saying that this "Body Bag" has been done before? :)
[22:16:49] <zeeshan> you got a crane arm, its lifting a load 900lb load
[22:17:00] <zeeshan> you need to design a pin
[22:17:03] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Yes, but if it hasn’t been patented, you are good to go.
[22:17:23] <zeeshan> you can assume maximum extension and design the pin like that
[22:17:27] <_methods> guess we're not riding the "body bag" cash train to kickstarter land
[22:17:37] <zeeshan> but say the arm doesn't ever achieve maximum extension, you need to figure out where the force is the greatest on the pin
[22:17:46] <zeeshan> thats where dynamic analysis comes in for me..
[22:17:54] <zeeshan> and then @ that position i do static fea
[22:17:59] <_methods> maybe if you make a smart water bottle that tells you when to drink
[22:18:24] <andypugh> zeeshan: Ah, yes. You probably want something else for that
[22:18:33] <zeeshan> noo
[22:18:36] <zeeshan> inventor is doing it fine
[22:18:40] <zeeshan> i just can't customize it 100%
[22:18:46] <zeeshan> i think i can get around the quirks by using macros?
[22:18:56] <andypugh> The FEA or the rigid-body analysis?
[22:19:04] <zeeshan> the dynamic analysis
[22:19:12] <zeeshan> or the fea
[22:19:29] <anomynous_> i wonder if emacs does that.
[22:19:30] <andypugh> I wasn’t aware that Inventor could do load calcs.
[22:19:48] <zeeshan> use dynamic analysis!!
[22:19:51] <andypugh> zeeshan, but yes, Inventor VBA is pretty powerful.
[22:20:13] <zeeshan> andypugh: i apologize if you know this already
[22:20:19] <zeeshan> but i find this extremely useful:
[22:20:23] <zeeshan> in assembly mode
[22:20:26] <zeeshan> press c to constraint
[22:20:31] <zeeshan> dont have to find it in the menu..
[22:20:42] <andypugh> Oh, look, a “frame analysis” button!
[22:20:56] <zeeshan> shift right click to select part/component/etc priority
[22:21:16] <zeeshan> right click a component a press v to hide
[22:21:28] <zeeshan> i wish it had a shortcut for changing the transperency of an object like solidworks
[22:21:32] <zeeshan> i could never find a shortcut for it
[22:21:58] <andypugh> I know about assembly constraints, and most of my models move realistically.
[22:22:32] <zeeshan> other useful ones, in sketch mode press l
[22:22:34] <zeeshan> to get line tool
[22:22:39] <andypugh> But hadn’t previously spotted that you can do an analysis while driving a constraint. I have driven constraints for animations in the past
[22:23:13] <andypugh> I want a shortcut for “make that line I just drew _not_ construction geometry”
[22:23:40] <zeeshan> like going from construction line
[22:23:41] <zeeshan> to solid?
[22:23:59] <zeeshan> solid line
[22:24:31] <andypugh> Well, when I have just drawn my centre line, then start on the part outline, and draw my outline in centre-line style. I hate that.
[22:25:00] <zeeshan> :P
[22:25:08] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrvwlPxRhKU This was all donw with Inventor and driven constraints.
[22:26:04] * zeeshan thinks about how youre getting the balls to mesh like that
[22:26:12] <zeeshan> path constraint ?
[22:26:27] <furrywolf> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/HTMLMediaElement/canPlayType those may be my favorite return values ever.
[22:27:54] <andypugh> zeeshan: To tell the truth, the rollers are not part of the constraints. I actually just geared the rotations together at the right ratio to check the motion.
[22:28:04] <zeeshan> hax
[22:28:04] <zeeshan> hax
[22:28:04] <zeeshan> hax
[22:28:09] <zeeshan> :LD
[22:30:18] <Sync> pfft
[22:32:26] <zeeshan> andypugh: did i tell you
[22:32:29] <zeeshan> i bought that lathe?
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[22:32:30] <anomynous_> you have a lathe on parquet ;D
[22:32:37] <zeeshan> it ended up going to check it out
[22:32:43] <zeeshan> and it wasn't a 1.63" spindle bore, it was a 3.25"
[22:32:47] <zeeshan> :D
[22:32:54] <andypugh> w00t!
[22:32:59] <andypugh> Much more like it
[22:33:05] <zeeshan> goes to show that always look at the machine before rejecting
[22:33:09] <zeeshan> cause all online specs say 1.63
[22:33:21] <andypugh> Had he measured a collet drawbar or something?
[22:33:36] <zeeshan> no im not sure what the online people were measuring
[22:33:39] <zeeshan> and what he was measuring
[22:34:02] <zeeshan> he prolly looked at online spec also rather than measuring it
[22:34:14] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/w4VTf
[22:34:14] <Sync> there probably was a large spindle bore option
[22:34:16] <zeeshan> heres some pics of the thing
[22:34:40] <zeeshan> the x ways look great visually
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[22:35:26] <zeeshan> im so excited for it
[22:35:34] <zeeshan> and a bit nervous cause its a pretty big thing to move
[22:35:38] <Sync> wtf
[22:35:43] <Sync> the spindle drive :D
[22:37:23] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1103593520&posted=true&adActivated=true&uli=true]
[22:37:28] <zeeshan> i hope someone responds :P
[22:38:05] <Sync> just strap it behind your mitsu
[22:38:09] <Sync> and drag it to your place
[22:38:15] <zeeshan> haha
[22:38:19] <furrywolf> is it at your house yet? :P
[22:38:20] <zeeshan> we had to drag my mitsubishi out
[22:38:23] <zeeshan> im junking the car
[22:38:25] <zeeshan> in a couple days
[22:38:26] <zeeshan> im gonna miss it
[22:38:31] <Sync> D:
[22:38:47] <zeeshan> unless i fix the shifter cables
[22:38:55] <zeeshan> they're snapped.
[22:39:00] <Sync> ew
[22:39:05] <zeeshan> and i dunno if you know
[22:39:13] <zeeshan> on an eclipse they are a pain in the ass to change
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[22:39:18] <zeeshan> you almost have to pull the entire dash apart
[22:39:40] <zeeshan> itried welding the snapped cable
[22:39:42] <zeeshan> it didnt work too well
[22:39:43] <zeeshan> :P
[22:39:46] <Sync> well the dash comes out quickly
[22:40:07] <zeeshan> plus i need the driveway space
[22:40:11] <zeeshan> to put the rx7 for a couple days
[22:40:15] <zeeshan> while i rip the lathe apart
[22:40:51] <Sync> I need to source a evo 1 2 3 rear subframe :/
[22:40:57] <Sync> and suspension parts for it
[22:41:06] <zeeshan> those are rare
[22:41:19] <zeeshan> prolly gonna have to import em from japan
[22:41:26] <Sync> or AWD lancer
[22:41:34] <zeeshan> will the modern stuff not fit?
[22:41:38] <Sync> but those are also pretty rare here
[22:41:48] <Sync> well
[22:42:02] <andypugh> That spindle drive needs more V-belts
[22:42:09] <zeeshan> haha
[22:42:17] <zeeshan> im downgrading the motor to a 7.5hp
[22:42:28] <zeeshan> 20hp will kill my whole house power
[22:42:33] <andypugh> Actually, in some ways that is asking for trouble, as unmatched belts apparently “fight” each other
[22:42:44] <JT-MOBILE> heh
[22:42:46] <zeeshan> like just the motor to be driving by singl;e phase
[22:42:49] <zeeshan> needs 108 amps
[22:43:01] <Sync> as I said, wire in 3ph
[22:43:07] <zeeshan> no
[22:43:12] <JT-MOBILE> FLA?
[22:43:16] <zeeshan> JT-MOBILE: yes
[22:43:20] <andypugh> Move to an industrial unit :-)
[22:43:28] <zeeshan> nahh, i have plants to move to a rural area in about 2 years
[22:43:30] <andypugh> Sleep in the lathe cabinet.
[22:43:31] <zeeshan> *plans
[22:43:48] <zeeshan> gotta work with what i have
[22:44:11] <JT-MOBILE> Probably a button load of inrush current
[22:44:16] <zeeshan> yep
[22:44:19] <zeeshan> itll trip everything :P
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[22:44:33] <zeeshan> the 7.5hp number im coming from is some extrapolating
[22:44:49] <zeeshan> the 3hp motor on the lathe could easily handle .5" doc 6061 at 5ipm
[22:45:06] <JT-MOBILE> I have a 15hp RPC that runs no problem
[22:45:16] <zeeshan> JT-MOBILE: how much was the rpc?
[22:45:24] <jdh> how much would a phase convertor to run a 4hp spindle + control cost?
[22:45:25] <JT-MOBILE> Of course no load on start
[22:46:02] <JT-MOBILE> Make your own for 50 to 100
[22:46:17] <zeeshan> how
[22:46:24] <JT-MOBILE> Jdh you seen my RPC page?
[22:46:24] <zeeshan> doesnt it need a bunch of motors?
[22:46:33] <JT-MOBILE> No
[22:46:36] <zeeshan> link
[22:46:45] <JT-MOBILE> On my phone
[22:46:51] <JT-MOBILE> Gnipsel.com
[22:46:56] <zeeshan> i found it
[22:46:58] <JT-MOBILE> CnC page
[22:47:18] <zeeshan> http://gnipsel.com/shop/rpc/15hp%20Phase%20Converter%20Layout.pdf
[22:47:25] <JT-MOBILE> Get a used motor from a repair shop
[22:47:37] <jdh> JT: nope
[22:48:00] <zeeshan> JT-MOBILE: what if you wanna power the whole machine
[22:48:03] <JT-MOBILE> Zeeshan just linked it
[22:48:03] <zeeshan> w/ 3 phase
[22:48:15] <zeeshan> wait im confused
[22:48:20] <zeeshan> you got a 3ph 15hp motor in there
[22:48:31] <zeeshan> is that acting like a generator?
[22:48:37] <JT-MOBILE> That is the rpc
[22:48:42] <Sync> zeeshan: I'm not sure that newer stuff will fit in there without major fettling
[22:49:04] <zeeshan> Sync: ihad to build a whole new control box
[22:49:06] <zeeshan> for my mill
[22:49:13] <zeeshan> i doubt itll be an easy swap
[22:49:16] <zeeshan> but itll be done!
[22:49:20] <Sync> not your lathe
[22:49:22] <Sync> muh car
[22:49:25] <zeeshan> oh
[22:49:25] <zeeshan> haha
[22:49:40] <zeeshan> i know there was major changes after evo 4
[22:49:42] <JT-MOBILE> Dinner time
[22:49:44] <zeeshan> and then major changes at 7 8
[22:49:45] <zeeshan> 9
[22:49:47] <zeeshan> and then again at 10
[22:49:53] <JT-MOBILE> Later
[22:49:56] <zeeshan> cya!
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[22:54:06] <Sync> well I know as much as that the 1-3 and 4 are not directly compatible
[22:54:19] <Sync> probably due to the AYC diff shits
[22:54:26] <Contract_Pilot> I so wish that mesa had the combo instock.
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[22:58:58] <JT-MOBILE> Pete!
[22:59:12] <PetefromTn_> hey JT
[22:59:45] <jdh> Pete: what do you think of this: http://wilmington.craigslist.org/for/5223169300.html
[23:00:04] <JT-MOBILE> We are at SpyderPalooza
[23:00:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah I saw that yesterday.. smokin' deal
[23:01:23] <PetefromTn_> what's Spyderpalooza?
[23:01:36] <jdh> dunno how I could get it here.
[23:01:44] <PetefromTn_> how far?
[23:01:54] <jdh> 8 miles?
[23:02:04] <PetefromTn_> shit that is easy
[23:02:21] <PetefromTn_> just call a rollback wrecker company and have them pick it up and drop it off...
[23:02:40] <Wolf_Mill> rent a drop floor trailer and pallet jack
[23:03:03] <PetefromTn_> They would probably move it and put it where you want it for like $75
[23:03:16] <Contract_Pilot> Wonder if i would get my wrist slapped if i dumped an ISO of path pilot out there?
[23:03:42] <PetefromTn_> dump away
[23:03:45] <jdh> sounds awfully cheap
[23:03:55] <PetefromTn_> TREE mills are decent quality
[23:04:11] <Contract_Pilot> When it arrives i may as well.. no one else has!
[23:04:12] <jdh> I meant the wrecker guy
[23:04:30] <PetefromTn_> oh well you can ask em
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[23:04:45] <PetefromTn_> I moved my VMC here for $125
[23:04:54] <PetefromTn_> it was across town about that far
[23:04:59] <Wolf_Mill> thats just the cost of the truck to come out and yank it on, dont expect any skills from the operator
[23:05:39] <PetefromTn_> actually the driver I used was quite skilled and helped me load it safely and strapped it down safely as well....your mileage may vary
[23:05:50] <PetefromTn_> BB in BIT
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[23:37:30] <furrywolf> http://www.allison-curtis.com/costumes/ apparantly she lives 10 minutes from here. LOL. well, if I ever decide I need a fursuit...
[23:38:33] <Wolf_Mill> heh
[23:38:34] <PetefromTn_> Damn I am tired
[23:39:07] <PetefromTn_> I like machining parts late at night but I might have to miss a night tonight LOL
[23:39:16] <furrywolf> sleep is good. :P
[23:44:34] <furrywolf> meh, now it's getting dark, and I've been utterly useless today.
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[23:44:45] <furrywolf> my back pisses me off more by the day. I do not like being useless!
[23:46:15] <PetefromTn_> heh my wife found some funny pictures of me from years ago when I was building my Mustang GT back in Florida...
[23:52:42] <Sync> ah zeeshan an awd lancer sedan will do, but those are incredibly annoying to find here