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[00:07:32] <malcom2073> 2x7i29+5125 == big money... but I may be able to make that much selling my drives on ebay
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[00:17:16] <trentster> howdy all - what kind/brand of double sided tape should I buy for holding down cutting parts like thin wood sheets and acrylics?
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[00:26:36] <zeeshan> andypugh/pcw why couldnt ssi use this fanuc encoder option
[00:27:06] <PCW> didnt want to or didnt know I guess
[00:27:38] <PCW> yellow cap are brushed DC with standard quadrature encoders
[00:27:49] <andypugh> How quaint
[00:28:35] <PCW> red cap are brushless and have either quadrature+fanuc 1248 commutation track or serial
[00:29:52] <PCW> newer are serial (32K,64K 1M 16M o > counts)
[00:31:22] <PetefromTn_> wow
[00:33:40] <zeeshan> he has redcaps
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[00:34:42] <PCW> I think he has older ones with 1248 commutation
[00:35:02] <zeeshan> well as soon as im ready to order this
[00:35:11] <zeeshan> ill be ordering a 5i25 and 7i77
[00:35:18] <zeeshan> maybe even two 7i77
[00:35:25] <zeeshan> cause i have a feelijg it has a lot of io requirements
[00:35:27] <zeeshan> we'll see..
[00:35:32] <zeeshan> this machine comes with manuals
[00:35:38] <zeeshan> so it wont be as much guess work like the mikron
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[00:36:01] <PCW> be advised we are so backed up it may take a week or three to get there :-(
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[00:36:04] <zeeshan> aw :(
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[00:36:12] <zeeshan> its okay, im sure ill be doing other stuff while waiting for it
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[00:36:25] <zeeshan> PCW: did tormach cause a huge increase in manufacruing requirements?
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[00:36:42] <zeeshan> i'm glad you guys are doing well, mesa is good stuff.
[00:37:04] <PCW> no we have some larger OEMS (not CNC related) that are keeping us pretty busy
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[00:37:39] <PCW> but the CNC stuff is picking up also
[00:38:55] <PCW> Have had to start making bigger lots
[00:39:21] <PCW> plus I'm getting too old for this
[00:39:58] <zeeshan> hire someone!
[00:40:47] <PCW> a little gunshy about employees ATM
[00:41:14] <malcom2073> It's a scary jump I hear
[00:41:24] <PCW> need to spend more quality time with my sheep...
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[00:43:22] <PCW> we have had as many as 8 employees at times
[00:43:41] <malcom2073> Nice
[00:45:15] <furrywolf> any luck finding more minions?
[00:47:13] <PCW> Not really. we are holding our own (at least for the larger OEM orders) The low volume stuff has suffered
[00:47:14] <PCW> but I think we will catch up with some larger lots on the CNC stuff
[00:48:13] <PCW> changing from 100 to 250 or 500 on popular things
[00:48:30] <zeeshan> NOOOOOOO
[00:48:33] <zeeshan> dont increase prices yet!
[00:48:39] <andypugh> How are the sheeps?
[00:48:57] <furrywolf> zeeshan: he's talking lot quantities, not prices.
[00:49:25] <zeeshan> furry did you see my future machine 95%!
[00:49:27] <PCW> Good we have 8 now (4 yearlings added )
[00:49:30] <zeeshan> im excited
[00:49:31] <furrywolf> no
[00:49:42] <trentster> what kind/brand of double sided tape is reccomended for holding down cutting parts like thin wood sheets and acrylics?
[00:49:49] <furrywolf> trentster: 3m
[00:49:52] <andypugh> That’s more than a few sheep, that’s a flock!
[00:50:22] <furrywolf> my neighbor has sheep. I hate them. every one of them. BAAAA! BAAAAAA! BAA? BAAAAAAAAA! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! BAAAAA! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! BAAA! etc.
[00:50:23] <furrywolf> all day.
[00:50:29] <andypugh> trentster: You probably don’t want the foamed acrylic, that might be too strong.
[00:50:30] <trentster> furrywolf: 3m sell like 10 trillion different types of tape
[00:50:36] <PCW> Yeah its funny to see them all come running for a treat (or leftovers)
[00:50:55] <furrywolf> it's 3am? let's BAAAA extra loud!
[00:50:58] <PCW> Ours are silent
[00:51:06] <zeeshan> trentster: 3m vhb 5962
[00:51:16] <trentster> zeeshan: thanks mate
[00:51:32] <zeeshan> i also dont remember the one tom lipton uses
[00:51:38] <malcom2073> My neighbors have a rooster
[00:51:38] <zeeshan> but google "oxtoolco double sided tape"
[00:51:44] <malcom2073> Which apparently is blind, because it thinks 2am is dawn
[00:51:47] <malcom2073> and 4am
[00:51:49] <malcom2073> and 10am
[00:51:50] <malcom2073> and 3pm
[00:51:51] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI1yggBwUIo
[00:51:52] <zeeshan> nm
[00:51:53] <PCW> maybe a stray BAAA if there are corn chips at hand
[00:51:53] <zeeshan> found the episode
[00:51:57] <furrywolf> malcom2073: yes. most of them are like that.
[00:52:15] <furrywolf> and most people with them don't give a fuck about anyone's sleep.
[00:52:15] <malcom2073> SHould chop it up for chinese food
[00:52:21] <furrywolf> yes
[00:53:59] <furrywolf> or, even better, indian food. :P
[00:54:36] <andypugh> https://youtu.be/7OtrDvDvF5I?t=1m20s VHB tape beats (a small number of) rivets
[00:54:44] <malcom2073> mmm indian
[00:55:12] <malcom2073> My wife makes good indian food, I should go catch her some fresh chicken
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[00:56:11] <furrywolf> I don't see how people can be such assholes as to keep nuisance animals... but many of them are.
[00:56:42] <malcom2073> Well, in my neighbors defense, they *are* on a 400 acre farm
[00:56:47] <malcom2073> their house just happens to be close to the edge heh
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[01:18:52] <malcom2073> furrywolf: How far are you from seattle?
[01:19:10] <malcom2073> Some guy selling a Tree 310 CNC for $6k
[01:20:36] <furrywolf> two states? :P
[01:20:51] <malcom2073> Psh
[01:20:54] <malcom2073> Oh yeah you're in CA
[01:21:03] <malcom2073> It's all west coast, that's like an hour from you yeah?
[01:21:04] <malcom2073> :P
[01:23:32] <bobo> zeeshan: Wishing the to be lathe workes out for you. Hope you have several backup plans to get around those bobo moments that always crop up.
[01:23:54] <malcom2073> I'm sure we'll hear about any issues :-D
[01:24:46] * furrywolf still hasn't seen zee's new toy
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[01:29:15] <bobo> furrywolf try this for the Z toy
http://imgur.com/a/w4VTf
[01:31:27] <furrywolf> that page is too large to load.
[01:32:05] <furrywolf> for some reason of brain-damaged web design, it includes every single full-size image, scaled down in the browser. it's fucking huge.
[01:33:17] <furrywolf> loading just the first image, it looks very big. lol
[01:33:43] <furrywolf> and looks like he'll have another linuxcnc conversion project. :P
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[01:35:38] <furrywolf> cheap chinese headlight suggestions? I got a
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2000LM-Zoomable-Cree-XM-L-T6-Led-Headlight-Headlamp-Head-Torch-18650-Charger-/141660696179 , and while it works, even "zoomed" all the way out, it has an annoyingly narrow beam.
[01:36:06] <malcom2073> furrywolf: The spindle has a 3.25" through
[01:36:33] <furrywolf> my lathe has a .375" through. :P
[01:37:41] <malcom2073> Hmm, this looks terrible
[01:38:13] <furrywolf> ?
[01:38:26] <malcom2073> http://i.imgur.com/MIKiCaH.png
[01:38:40] <malcom2073> That's a stepper drive shaft, a sleeve, and a pully
[01:39:01] <malcom2073> Only 12mm overlap of stepper drive shaft and pulley hub
[01:39:33] <furrywolf> tighten the set screw good and tight. :)
[01:39:38] <malcom2073> hah indeed
[01:39:44] <malcom2073> And hope the sleeve is pretty hard
[01:39:47] <malcom2073> The pulley is steel, which helps
[01:41:39] <Wolf_Mill> could copy the fairloc type clamp for that
[01:42:33] <malcom2073> It looks even worse once I actually scale things correctly haha
[01:43:15] <malcom2073> http://i.imgur.com/RyanRur.png
[01:43:40] <furrywolf> why are most of the headlamps designed for a tight beam? I want a flood!
[01:43:52] <malcom2073> Lol, furrywolf Because people whine about being blinded etc etc
[01:44:14] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: The pulley is a premade part, or are you suggesting the bushing have that clamp style?
[01:44:39] <furrywolf> a tight beam blinds you worse, as it focuses all the light into a smaller area.
[01:44:51] <malcom2073> Well not if you aim them properly :P
[01:45:51] <Wolf_Mill> you didnt look at the link i suggested did you, whats the shaft sizes?
[01:46:07] <malcom2073> I didn't seeyour link, I googled fairloc
[01:46:08] <malcom2073> lol
[01:46:23] <malcom2073> stepper shaft is 14mm, pulley hole is 26mm
[01:46:40] <malcom2073> Ohhh I misread
[01:46:41] <malcom2073> whups
[01:46:47] <malcom2073> Nevermind it's ok, the pulley hole is 16mm
[01:47:04] <furrywolf> malcom2073: I'm trying to see what I'm doing, not see something waaay off in the distance.
[01:47:56] <Wolf_Mill> they dont have one that matches those sizes but here is the link for the general idea
http://www.sdp-si.com/eStore/Catalog/PartNumber/S52FCYM080120
[01:48:13] <malcom2073> Hmmm
[01:48:44] <malcom2073> Yeah I saw your link earlier
[01:48:49] <malcom2073> didn't understand what part you were going forheh
[01:50:56] <furrywolf> I wonder if I could just mount a diffuser of some form over the lens... might lose a lot of light though.
[01:52:12] <malcom2073> I could flip the steppers around, mount them sticking straight out I suppose
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[02:03:54] * Jymmm likes his headlamp
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[02:04:18] <Jymmm> worked great when replacing the in-tank fuel pump at night.
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[02:04:45] <malcom2073> Head lamps, while dorky, are very nice
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[02:05:13] <Jymmm> Yep, that's what I thought too, till I actually tired/needed one
[02:05:49] <furrywolf> I generally dislike them, but I have a job in a couple weeks where I'll be in a very, very tight crawlspace, and might need both hands to work...
[02:06:09] <CaptHindsight> does it attract insects to your forehead?
[02:06:20] <furrywolf> it's a crawlspace between two floors of a house, with just enough room to wiggle on your stomach... barely.
[02:06:37] <malcom2073> Ooohhh, so the stepper is 14mm, and the pulley is 16mm
[02:06:40] <malcom2073> so only a 2mm bushing
[02:06:44] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I've never had that happen (yet)
[02:06:46] <malcom2073> 12mm overlap is a good ratio
[02:13:29] <Jymmm> http://www.fenixlight.com/ProductMore.aspx?id=34&tid=27&cid=2
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[02:21:26] <roycroft> wow
[02:21:36] <roycroft> donald trump just made a major foreign policy speech
[02:21:56] <SpeedEvil> roycroft: Did it involve appealing to the construction industry?
[02:21:57] <roycroft> please forgive me for going into all the minute details of his speech, but it is important
[02:22:28] <roycroft> we are going to rebuild our military, and it is going to be so great that we won't need to use it because everybody will be afraid of us
[02:22:38] <roycroft> and again, i'm sorry i scrolled for so long
[02:23:08] <roycroft> the other 11-1/2 minutes of his speech were about how great he is, of course
[02:23:11] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[02:23:26] <SpeedEvil> Good luck building up the military so it scares china.
[02:23:35] <roycroft> that's not a problem
[02:23:44] <roycroft> he's going to hire "good negotiators" to deal with china
[02:23:51] <roycroft> he knows "the best"
[02:23:52] <SpeedEvil> hah
[02:23:59] <roycroft> and they will "totally win"
[02:24:05] <roycroft> and china will not be a problem
[02:25:37] <roycroft> trump makes tony abbott sound like william f. buckley in comparison
[02:26:30] <renesis> hes gonna win the nomination
[02:26:37] <roycroft> he might
[02:27:01] <roycroft> and as a progressive i should wish for that, because conventional wisdom says that would hand victory to the democrats
[02:27:06] <roycroft> but i'm scared as hell
[02:27:16] <roycroft> because he might actually win the general election as well
[02:27:24] <roycroft> and that would be the end of this country
[02:27:58] <roycroft> i'm not a democrat, btw, and i'm not particularly thrilled with any of the candidates running for that party
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[02:28:38] <SpeedEvil> yeah.
[02:28:49] <roycroft> the trump phenomenon is astonishing
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[02:28:55] <roycroft> in a very bad way
[02:28:56] <SpeedEvil> 'joke' candidates with name recognition are not a good thing to get into your politics
[02:29:25] <SpeedEvil> because half the battle is knowing the name
[02:29:26] <roycroft> the thing is, i don't think he's a joke candidate
[02:29:33] <roycroft> i think he really wants to be president
[02:29:39] <zeeshan> bobo: thanks man :)
[02:29:48] <SpeedEvil> I mean joke, from any rational perspective.
[02:29:53] <roycroft> and i think a lot of people really want him to be president
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[02:30:33] <roycroft> some folks in the rnc are talking quietly about running someone as a third-party candidate if trump gets the republican nomination
[02:30:40] <roycroft> someone like bush
[02:30:57] <SpeedEvil> yeah - split the party.
[02:31:04] <SpeedEvil> That went so well when I played D+D
[02:31:12] * roycroft thinks we need a national twitter and facebook outage for a few months, until the election
[02:31:43] <roycroft> i think that the rnc would almost hand the election to the democrats than let trump be president
[02:31:49] <roycroft> there are a few sane people left in the party
[02:32:00] <roycroft> almost rather, that is
[02:32:51] <SpeedEvil> yeah - there is a time when you have to accept that the opposition is not baby-eaters, and winning at all cost can be not worth it
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[02:37:42] <roycroft> what's even more astonishing, perhaps, is that bernie sanders is gaining on and about to overtake clinton by taking the exact opposite approach
[02:37:56] <roycroft> he's the ultimate anti-celebrity candidate
[02:38:03] <roycroft> and he only talks about policy
[02:38:10] <roycroft> never about himself or the other candidates
[02:38:36] <zeeshan> go trump go!
[02:38:52] <roycroft> je
[02:39:00] <roycroft> he would fuck over canada as well as the us
[02:39:05] <SpeedEvil> It's a shame Sanders is so old
[02:39:10] <roycroft> so don't be so quick to cheer him on :)
[02:39:20] <roycroft> and pardon my language
[02:39:29] <roycroft> but there is no more polite way to say what he would do
[02:39:42] <roycroft> 80 is the new 70
[02:39:46] <roycroft> sanders is still young
[02:39:47] <roycroft> :)
[02:39:51] <zeeshan> hes the best president since bush
[02:40:05] <roycroft> and besides
[02:40:16] <roycroft> while you're trying to bring up our dirty laundry
[02:40:23] <roycroft> don't think you can ignore stephen harper
[02:40:25] <SpeedEvil> roycroft: the chances of someone of his age - even in great health - not being OK at the end of 5 years is very high though alas
[02:40:35] <SpeedEvil> never mind 9
[02:40:38] <roycroft> generally yes, speedevil
[02:40:38] <zeeshan> whats wrong with harper
[02:40:39] <zeeshan> hes awesome
[02:40:49] <roycroft> however, the president of the united states has the best health care in the world
[02:41:02] <SpeedEvil> roycroft: and teh most stressfull job in the world.
[02:41:06] <SpeedEvil> They pretty much even out
[02:41:08] <roycroft> if he even blinks too often there will be a doctor checking him out
[02:41:12] <SpeedEvil> At best.
[02:42:13] <roycroft> zeeshan: i know you're being faceitous, so i won't bother reciting the litany of transgressions
[02:42:20] <zeeshan> no im not
[02:42:31] <PetefromTn_> Woohoo I finally got around to making an actual program for the bottom dovetail on my rails instead of always doing it manually LOL
[02:42:39] <roycroft> i find that hard to believe
[02:42:51] <zeeshan> thats your prob then
[02:42:54] <roycroft> i've spoken with you and watched you here for a long time
[02:43:00] <roycroft> and you're definitely an intelligent person
[02:43:00] <zeeshan> a lot of america agrees with me
[02:43:17] <roycroft> really?
[02:43:32] <roycroft> i bet no more than 2% of this country even know who he is
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[02:45:32] <roycroft> not only can most americans not name a single supreme court justice, they cannot name their two senators and congressional represenatative
[02:45:36] <roycroft> representative
[02:45:56] <roycroft> we are perhaps the most politically disengaged industrialized country in the world
[02:45:56] <PetefromTn_> boy this place sure is some kinda socialist liberal crying game over here ;)
[02:46:12] <roycroft> what have i said that is "socialist" or "liberal"?
[02:46:16] <Wolf_Mill> I try not to think about the reps for my area, cause they all suck
[02:46:39] <SpeedEvil> roycroft: dammit - I can't quite name any supreme court justices despite having actualy rad several judgements
[02:46:49] <SpeedEvil> I was sure I could, but can't think of any
[02:47:01] <PetefromTn_> who cares they are all assholes
[02:47:25] <PetefromTn_> but HEY I GOT my program made!!
[02:47:31] <roycroft> they have more influence over our lives than the president or the congress
[02:47:32] <PetefromTn_> and better yet I got it under ten minutes
[02:48:02] <PetefromTn_> now I can really go thru these rails and the only real thinking I will have to do is adjust for the custom droop angle
[02:48:05] <roycroft> anyway
[02:48:14] <roycroft> i really only intended to rail on trump a bit
[02:48:16] <roycroft> because it's fun
[02:48:19] <roycroft> albeit scary fun
[02:48:32] * SpeedEvil does not want to imagine railing trump.
[02:48:36] <roycroft> and railing on trump is definitely not a "socialist" or "liberal" thing
[02:48:54] <roycroft> he is disliked by both sides
[02:49:02] * roycroft will make dinner now
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[02:50:51] <PetefromTn_> I need to order some more 3/8 and 1/2 inch collets I wind up switching not because of lack of holders but because of lack of collets a lot damnit
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[03:10:12] <furrywolf> woot. second LED light built. this one has 4 1600lm 15.5W bulbs.
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[03:24:25] <furrywolf> I hate china. I bought an Irwin/Hanson thread pitch gauge. a thread pitch gauge. the back says "extractor made in USA with global components. drill bit made in brazil." They copied the "made in" section off, I'm presuming, an easy-out set, and used it for a thread pitch gauge.
[03:25:29] <Connor> furrywolf: Huh?
[03:26:01] <furrywolf> huh what? they fucked up their packaging by re-using part of another product's packaging.
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[03:26:24] <Connor> Wasn't very clear..
[03:26:27] <furrywolf> the package contains a thread pitch gauge, but the section on the back of the package is for an easy-out set.
[03:26:37] <Connor> Ah. Okay.
[03:26:46] <furrywolf> it also has english to match your average ebay purchase.
[03:27:22] <furrywolf> it's not like Irwin/Hanson is a small-time company. but they now just stick their name on the same chinese shit as everyone else, not even proofreading the packaging they're sticking their name on.
[03:28:08] <Connor> I would complain.. because of the Made in USA part... it's false advertising.. and can get'm in a world of hurt.
[03:28:12] <PetefromTn_> Connor HEY!!
[03:28:24] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Yo.
[03:30:36] <Connor> So, I did a component level repair on a Server Motherboard last night...
[03:30:51] <furrywolf> I bought the name-brand version hoping it would be better than the harbor freight version. I don't think it is.
[03:30:53] <Connor> I've repaired other things.. LCD monitor.. Roomba's.. first time fixing a Motherboard..
[03:31:07] <PetefromTn_> nice
[03:31:08] <furrywolf> I can't imagine being such a worthless member of the planet to sell things like that.
[03:31:25] <Wolf_Mill> roomba IR sensors shouldnt count as a repair :P
[03:31:33] <Connor> Yea, bad capacitor. Easy fix.
[03:32:05] <Connor> Wolf_Mill: Umm.. No, replacing H-Bridges.. bad crystal in one... brush motors... drive wheels...
[03:32:12] <PetefromTn_> you wanna laugh
[03:32:28] <Wolf_Mill> lol, I must be lucky then
[03:32:33] <PetefromTn_> I sold my old kerosene forced air heater after I could not figure out how to fix it myself
[03:32:38] <furrywolf> Connor: I've replaced the caps on several motherboards.
[03:32:44] <PetefromTn_> guy gave me $20 for it LOL
[03:32:46] <Wolf_Mill> 3 roomba, all 3 needed ir sensors
[03:33:07] <PetefromTn_> then that evening he texted me letting me know it was the plug that was the problem....
[03:33:16] <PetefromTn_> I was like YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME
[03:33:23] <furrywolf> lol
[03:33:29] <Wolf_Mill> haha
[03:33:54] <furrywolf> I got a free 100W solar panel with that problem once... the cable had been damaged near the plug and was shorting it. :P
[03:33:55] <PetefromTn_> I told him I would give him back his $20 for it but he suprisingly declined ;)
[03:34:09] <Connor> I fixed a heck of allot of Roomba's when I owned theroombashop.com
[03:34:16] <PetefromTn_> there was probably $20 worth of kerosene in it
[03:34:32] <Connor> I told you that plug had issues....
[03:34:39] <furrywolf> hrmm. we need a law that if you start making a product in a different country, you're not allowed to sell it under the same brand/product name.
[03:34:41] <PetefromTn_> aren't those roombas kind of a toy? I mean they don't actually work well do they?
[03:35:01] <PetefromTn_> when?
[03:35:03] <Wolf_Mill> when they are cleaned out they work good
[03:35:20] <Connor> PetefromTn_: No, They work rather well.. the key is to clean them every few times... and be sure to empty the dust bins.
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[03:35:38] <Connor> PetefromTn_: I dunno.. last time I was over there it was acting a bit strange..
[03:35:44] <PetefromTn_> damn
[03:35:46] <Connor> I thought you had determined that it wasn't the issue..
[03:35:53] <PetefromTn_> so did I :D
[03:36:06] <Connor> Broken wires can be a PITA to track down.
[03:36:20] <PetefromTn_> Oh well now I can get a better one right hehe
[03:36:28] <Connor> Yup.
[03:36:43] <PetefromTn_> I sold it because I thought it was the main board
[03:36:51] <PetefromTn_> the replacement board is like $80
[03:37:07] <PetefromTn_> and I did not want to put that much into it as I had it for several years already
[03:37:11] <Connor> No Mobo for this server was going to be around $180.00 3rd party.. SuperMicro doesn't make it anymore.
[03:37:20] <Connor> err. New Mobo
[03:37:26] <PetefromTn_> now I get to put probably $200 into it because I am a shithead
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[03:37:55] <Connor> I once spent $50.00 to have a appliance repairman come out and change a FUSE in the fuse panel (before we upgraded to breakers).
[03:38:22] <Connor> I didn't realize that the light on the dryer was still lite because it was on the 2nd half of the 220 circuit..
[03:38:24] <Wolf_Mill> lol, I got to charge someone $40 to go flip a breaker for them
[03:38:27] <Connor> so, I never checked it.
[03:38:56] <PetefromTn_> nothing worse than costing yourself hard earned money because you're stupid huh.. LOL
[03:38:58] <Connor> It only blew half the circuit.. go figure.
[03:39:27] <Connor> Like blowing up one of my spindle motor controllers on the Mill...
[03:39:43] <PetefromTn_> Hey I did that once.....or was it twice
[03:39:59] <Connor> or ordering non-machined screws (when I couldn't machine them.. and a local shop would have charged me more that what I could order machined ones for)
[03:40:47] <Connor> I think the motor in my mini-lathe is going out.. it needs a "push" to get it going..
[03:41:03] <furrywolf> capacitor start?
[03:41:07] <Connor> No.
[03:41:10] <Connor> DC motor.
[03:41:16] <Connor> 7x10 mini lathe.
[03:41:19] <furrywolf> clean brushes?
[03:41:29] <furrywolf> (and commutator)
[03:41:31] <Connor> No.. I haven't.. I could try that..
[03:41:50] <PetefromTn_> that bites
[03:41:53] <Connor> true be known.. I want to get a bigger lathe.. and turn that unit into a 4th axis.. which will require a new motor anyway.
[03:43:20] <furrywolf> dc motors that don't like starting almost always need brushes and the commutator cleaned
[03:43:42] <furrywolf> they also tend to quickly degrade into not starting if you don't address those things. :)
[03:47:53] <Connor> PetefromTn_: You still have that chunk of Alumn and Cast iron I left? :)
[03:48:03] <Connor> You didn't turn it into something did you? :)
[03:49:11] <PetefromTn_> I turned it into a pinata!
[03:49:38] <PetefromTn_> then I tied it to my truck and dragged it behind me for a couple ten miles or so
[03:49:51] <Connor> Ahh.. :(
[03:50:04] <PetefromTn_> finally I welded it to the schools flagpole top I think it is still up there
[03:50:35] <PetefromTn_> you don't seriously think I would use YOUR metal for something for me do ya?
[03:50:59] <Connor> Not on purpose.. :)
[03:51:00] <PetefromTn_> I mean hey I know I am an azzhole.....it is one of my best qualitites
[03:51:18] <PetefromTn_> but I did not think I was THAT big of an azzhole ;)
[03:51:22] <Connor> Nah..
[03:51:33] <Connor> I was looking around for it the other day.. and forgot it was at your place.
[03:53:09] <PetefromTn_> you got a couple pieces here I think..
[03:53:23] <PetefromTn_> I am making picatinny rails right now ;)
[03:53:37] <PetefromTn_> midnight machining makes me merry
[03:53:46] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[03:53:56] <PetefromTn_> GN8
[03:58:51] * Wolf_Mill wants to make some picatinny rails...
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[04:04:36] <PetefromTn_> get er done man!
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[04:05:00] <Wolf_Mill> soon, need to find the specs first lol
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[04:16:29] <bobo> So Conner & Pete , what is the latest hold up on getting the Cinn vmc tool changer working ?
[04:16:58] <PetefromTn_> latest holdup......PURE LAZINESS!!
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[04:19:50] <bobo> don't make me come over there . it will be UGLY
[04:21:46] <bobo> i will bring the Ross P voodo stick with me
[04:27:30] <PetefromTn_> Hell it's ALWAYS ugly over here I ain't scared!
[04:28:11] <PetefromTn_> But right now I gotta get to bed. Talk tomorrow guys have a good night
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[05:20:54] * Jymmm hands bobo a plastic bag - You be ugly no mo, problem solved! ;)
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[05:26:11] <bobo> Hi Jymmm Thank's for the plastic bag . I have been passing out the ones with lettering on inside to local kids for their reading practice. keeps them quiet for days
[05:27:00] <Jymmm> only days? WTH, you just handing out the defective ones ?
[05:28:25] <bobo> Jymmm how's the garage rewiring doing ?
[05:29:32] <Jymmm> bobo: Has yet to begun. still trying to figure out the logistics and what the hell I'm doing =)
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[05:30:51] <renesis> just hang a bunch of romex from the cieling, use scissors and wirenuts to connect stuff to power
[05:31:13] <renesis> you can use a label maker so you know which is 120 and 240!
[05:31:22] <Jymmm> renesis: Not that, it's running the 220V 70ft
[05:31:42] <Jymmm> outdoors
[05:32:22] <Jymmm> why does one use metal vs pvc conduit?
[05:32:39] <bobo> logistics = no-rain for two days , empty garage and just flat over wire that sucker
[05:34:45] <bobo> outside pvc doesn't rust . but metal will take a blow and not break
[05:35:10] <Jymmm> And it's raining, the casters one the 800lb racks broke during the move still need to be repaired, and there is a 4x4 header the luckily extends on four walls at the top =)
[05:35:19] <renesis> my guess is its an earth/safety issue
[05:37:21] <Jymmm> I'm going to run conduit along the skirt for about 50ft, pvc seems perfect there, then CaptHindsight said that metal can be burried at 6" instead of 18" for a short 5ft section/walkway, but I dont a bender or a clue how to bend properly
[05:37:44] <bobo> dont count on metal conduit for being a ground conductor
[05:38:01] <archivist> use armoured cable, no conduit needed
[05:38:09] <Jymmm> I also need to use flex from the service pole to the skirt for 4 cable feet
[05:40:26] <Jymmm> archivist: armored is water tight?
[05:40:36] <archivist> yes
[05:41:04] <archivist> designed for buried work (at the right depth)
[05:41:14] <bobo> Jymmm you are the one doing the job . me - I would use Sch 40 plastic outdoor and in the ground
[05:41:41] <Wolf_Mill> US BX cable (metal armored) isnt water tight
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[05:42:41] <Jymmm> Says "indoor use"
http://www.homedepot.com/p/AFC-Cable-Systems-50-ft-12-2-Solid-MC-Lite-Cable-2104S24-AFC/205015282
[05:43:51] <archivist> that is not the stuff I mean
[05:44:38] <Wolf_Mill> wont find liquid tight armored cable at home depot
[05:45:10] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: wallyworld? lol
[05:45:17] <archivist> http://www.diy.com/departments/electrical-security/home-wiring/home-wiring-cables/armoured-cables/DIY579383.cat
[05:45:56] <Wolf_Mill> nope Jymmm, need to drive to teh UK
[05:46:00] <archivist> https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Cable_Index/Armoured_SWA/index.html?source=adwords&kw=armoured%20cable&gclid=COz45Pbs-scCFQ46GwodnGIKbQ
[05:46:25] <Wolf_Mill> archivist: nothing like that here meets code
[05:46:28] <archivist> your local electrical distributor will have it
[05:46:53] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: Ok, will get the carboat ready fo rthe drive. I sure hope I get good good petro pricing when I full up along the way
[05:48:32] <Wolf_Mill> I did use direct bury for my garage, but I used #2 Alum
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[05:49:12] <Jymmm> I'm not going to dig a 70ft trench thru 100ft tall tree roots
[05:50:30] <Jymmm> I do need to run flex from the pole to the wall, then metal underground for the last 5ft
[05:51:05] <Wolf_Mill> 200 feet of wire, and the ground here is 50% rocks
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[05:54:08] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: yuck
[05:54:43] <Wolf_Mill> took 30mins
[05:55:10] <Jymmm> you have trencher?
[05:55:13] <Wolf_Mill> well, more like a hour
[05:55:20] <Wolf_Mill> mini excavator
[05:55:34] <Wolf_Mill> have a trencher here too now
[05:55:45] <Jymmm> ah, I only have the neighbot kid
[05:56:17] <Jymmm> but he busts his ass
[05:57:14] <Wolf_Mill> F diggin by hand
http://i.imgur.com/yERX7l3.jpg
[05:57:50] <Jymmm> NOW you know why I'm mounting the conduit on the skirt =)
[05:58:27] <Jymmm> is that a tilt bed?
[05:58:52] <Jymmm> slide and tilt?
[05:59:12] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/n05yPB7.jpg
[05:59:41] <Jymmm> whoa, wth?
[06:00:18] <Jymmm> the whole bed is a dumpster thing?
[06:00:45] <Jymmm> thats kinda cool
[06:00:51] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/UM3Rf8L.jpg Can be anything I want, mounted on a skid
[06:01:20] <Jymmm> nice, is that your truck?
[06:01:27] <Wolf_Mill> yeah
[06:01:45] <Jymmm> all custom I suspect?
[06:02:06] <Jymmm> you have extra skids too?
[06:02:54] <Jymmm> thats fucking cool! I like it
[06:02:56] <Wolf_Mill> ampliroll AL-90 hooklift
[06:03:29] <Wolf_Mill> make the A-frame skids in house, and dumpsters, and install the hook systems
[06:04:02] <Wolf_Mill> there is a lighter roll off type system called switch-n-go that we are a dealer for as well
[06:04:35] <Jymmm> nice
[06:05:02] <Wolf_Mill> they make a really small one that fits in pickup truck beds
[06:05:14] <Jymmm> lol
[06:05:36] <Wolf_Mill> lots of cycle shops use it
[06:06:01] <Jymmm> I like how it just retrofits a pickup truck
[06:06:14] <Wolf_Mill> sortof
[06:06:26] <Wolf_Mill> mine is a f550, 19,500gvw
[06:06:37] <Wolf_Mill> the hook will lift 13,000lbs
[06:06:51] <Jymmm> you had to weld to the frame?
[06:07:16] <Wolf_Mill> nope, all bolted on
[06:08:04] <Jymmm> and you could turn your truck back to factory with the original bed if you were to sell it?
[06:09:03] <MacGalempsy> Wolf_Mill: is that you messing with the trailer?
[06:09:21] <Wolf_Mill> no, my buddy tying it down
[06:10:29] <MacGalempsy> well, CNC school had the first offical lecture on G00 tonight.
[06:10:37] <MacGalempsy> lol, we are just about up and running
[06:11:50] <Wolf_Mill> Jymmm: from the factory
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n541/wolfmetalfab/f550%20Stuff/00CC4033-30C0-4F16-A6C2-547029E2F5A6-3320-00000235DF0409DF.jpg
[06:17:45] <bobo> bbl
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[06:43:17] <Deejay> moin
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[07:18:51] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: You have a frickin cockpit for a truck cab =)
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[07:19:17] <Jymmm> hi Deejay
[07:19:30] <Wolf_Mill> lol, must be looking at the pic with the laptop and all out
[07:19:39] <Jymmm> yep =)
[07:20:05] <Wolf_Mill> thats called being prepared for sitting and waiting to move for 3 hours
[07:20:26] <Jymmm> skid, plow, cockpit, anything else?
[07:20:45] <Jymmm> galley?
[07:21:00] <Jymmm> waiting for the snow?
[07:21:24] <Wolf_Mill> yup, or waiting for the trigger amount
[07:21:44] <Jymmm> How many gallons per mile?
[07:21:58] <Wolf_Mill> in the winter, 7-9mpg
[07:22:25] <Jymmm> and a 6gallong tank ;)
[07:22:42] <Wolf_Mill> 40gal
[07:23:01] <Wolf_Mill> fillups are painful
[07:23:02] <fenn> where is the fuel tank anyway?
[07:23:33] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: oh I bet, I have a 24gal tank
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[07:23:53] <Jymmm> fenn: there isn't ine, it accepts CC directly
[07:24:02] <Jymmm> one*
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[07:26:08] <fenn> looks like there are multiple possible locations
http://www.wallworktrucks.com/media/dealer_615/storage/images/Ford/Chassis_Cab_F-450_XLT/ccc15_models_detailflip_dieseltank.jpg
[07:26:27] <Wolf_Mill> mid or rear
[07:26:29] <Wolf_Mill> or both
[07:27:32] <fenn> so can you fit a milling machine on the back?
[07:27:50] <fenn> only reason i'd want a truck i think
[07:27:50] <Wolf_Mill> can haul up to umm
[07:28:09] <Wolf_Mill> 5-6000lbs
[07:28:14] <Wolf_Mill> in the bed
[07:31:10] <fenn> man if only we had like, trains that went cross country to carry cargo ~
[07:31:35] <Wolf_Mill> ... there is, I hear them 4-5 times a day
[07:32:00] <fenn> yeah but i have no idea how to actually ship something by train
[07:32:20] <Wolf_Mill> my truck got here by train :D
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[09:39:10] <Praesmeodymium> http://www.freightcenter.com/quickquote.aspx
[09:39:20] <Praesmeodymium> shipping by train
[09:39:39] <Praesmeodymium> wow 2 hours ago I should really double check timestamps lol
[09:39:45] <XXCoder> hey
[09:40:06] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: Wolf_Mill usually are here at this time
[09:40:10] <XXCoder> so should be fine
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[10:19:03] <XXCoder> or maybe not this time lol
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[12:06:08] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm:
https://www.mikeholt.com/instructor2/img/product/pdf/1259687476sample.pdf figure 300-8
[12:07:20] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I'm amazed by some of the bat shit crazy advice some people gave you for conduit and wiring
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[12:09:52] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: also Figure 300-7 for other types and situations
[12:10:02] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Well, I don't expect to be up to code EXACTLY. But I try to be close as possible =)
[12:10:30] <Tom_shop> you better be!
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[12:12:44] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Come inspect me baby!
[12:13:03] * Tom_itx grabs some rubber gloves
[12:14:05] <Tom_itx> did you wire in a disconnect for your gen too?
[12:14:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: pvc flex from pole to skirt; pvc along skort for 50ft, then RMC 6" underground for 5ft
[12:14:49] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: to backfeed?
[12:15:01] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[12:15:44] <CaptHindsight> I hear that wearing rubber boots is just as effective, no need for gloves :)
[12:17:05] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I was thinking I could use the 4 prong dryer cord I have - as I'll need to "feed" each pole from my 110V generator
[12:17:29] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I plan on having a padlock as part of the lockout process
[12:18:12] <Tom_itx> i used a built up welding / stove plug
[12:19:33] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Well, I don't plan on buying that new propane generator right now, and will just use my EU2000i, but it's only 110V, so I need to feed both halves of the panel
[12:19:57] <Tom_itx> oh
[12:20:10] <Tom_itx> are the phases right to do that?
[12:20:27] <Jymmm> I'm not sure
[12:20:47] <Tom_itx> if you have 220 circuits wired, they may interfere with your 2 110 feed split
[12:20:54] <Jymmm> I would kill all 220V breakers of course.
[12:21:04] <Tom_itx> you would have to
[12:22:12] <Jymmm> Not sure if there is anything I need to do there, just trying to simplify wiring and use of extension cords
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[14:12:19] <Wolf_> back feed is pointless IMO unless you have enough generator to run over half the house
[14:15:17] <Sync> 125kVA genset on hot standby
[14:19:07] <Wolf_> 3phase?
[14:19:11] <Wolf_> :D
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[14:27:04] <Sync> sure, no reason why not Wolf_
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[14:33:46] <malcom2073> Man, we're going to soon be scrapping some ford escape hybrids. I'm trying reall hard to grab up one of the motor/generator sets. 30kw DC output :-D
[14:34:20] <malcom2073> Actually, come to think of it, I'll bet it's a brushless motor, so the DC from the battery probably just feeds a giant motor controller, 3 phase 300VAC
[14:35:07] <Wolf_> ooo
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[14:36:33] <anomynous> in python how do i make all floats become decimals? I tried float = Decimal ;D
[14:36:52] <Wolf_> much NiMH batteries too
[14:36:52] <anomynous> in a module
[14:37:09] <malcom2073> Yeah, but those are probably toast
[14:37:14] <malcom2073> been sitting for 3-4 years, probably ran them flat
[14:37:25] <Wolf_> foo
[14:43:32] <FinboySlick> anomynous: You just want to change the way they're displayed?
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[14:43:49] <FinboySlick> (as in you want them to retain their precision)
[14:44:08] <Sync> yeah the only interesting thing are the motors
[14:45:02] <malcom2073> The gasoline motors attached to them are low mileage too, so could probably used as the generator motors, except there is no starter, it uses the 300VDC to start it
[14:46:39] <anomynous> FinboySlick, yes
[14:47:09] <anomynous> nm yes... sure. .format? :D
[14:47:13] <FinboySlick> anomynous: I don't know of a global way. You'll have to use format on your print.
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[14:48:04] <FinboySlick> I think there is shorthand syntax for format if you don't want to have .format() all over your code.
[14:48:32] <anomynous> format is fine ;D I didn't even think about it. I was thinking.... "x.123545 is not... blabla"
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[14:49:37] <FinboySlick> a = "i am a %s" % sub1
[14:49:43] <FinboySlick> (is the shorthand way)
[14:49:56] <anomynous> hey... i know. write a function that substitutes HI! in string to whatever and then exec it? That would print all i need
[14:50:04] <anomynous> does that syntax work in 3?
[14:50:59] <anomynous> works
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[14:55:51] <anomynous> haas wants 2k€ for high speed option that has cache for 80 lines.
[14:56:00] <anomynous> i wonder if they use raperry pi2
[14:57:17] <anomynous> thats how that feels like, anyway
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[15:17:41] <malcom2073> Alright I'm getting steppers.
[15:18:04] <Wolf_> quitter :P
[15:18:43] <malcom2073> Yeah :(
[15:18:52] <malcom2073> I'm saving the servo motors, selling the drivers
[15:18:55] <Wolf_> gave up on the drivers?
[15:18:58] <malcom2073> yeah
[15:19:15] <Wolf_> cause of the blown one?
[15:19:36] <malcom2073> That, and really it's gonna cost me $200+ per axis no matter what I do
[15:19:48] <malcom2073> Whereas steppers cost me $70 per axis
[15:20:36] <Wolf_> how so low
[15:21:00] <malcom2073> Nema 34 1600ozinch are only $70 each on ebay if you buy 4 at a time
[15:21:18] <malcom2073> 1600 is adequate for home milling, not powerful enough to do anything high speed of course
[15:21:19] <Wolf_> need driver for them too right?
[15:21:23] <malcom2073> I got one already
[15:21:33] <malcom2073> That's the kicker, I have parts heh
[15:21:49] <malcom2073> I have a 3 axis 10amp stepper driver + power supply box I picked up at auction a year ago
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[15:23:01] <malcom2073> So sell off the remaining good drivers, and save the motors to power my big router someday, and I'll have the mill running in no time
[15:23:32] <Wolf_> take pics of the broke and good driver
[15:23:51] <Wolf_> like detailed of the poofed area, might be fixable
[15:23:54] <malcom2073> Oh I know what broke, a tant capacitor blew on it, probably could fix it. May even try to fix it and sell
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[15:24:18] <malcom2073> I even know *why* it died, I was an idiot and didn't hook up ground until after it had 100V of floating DC in it
[15:24:30] <Wolf_> lol
[15:24:35] <Wolf_> oops
[15:24:41] <malcom2073> Yep, live and learn
[15:25:13] <Wolf_> wonder if these two guys are getting scammed in the FB used machine group
[15:25:18] <malcom2073> So on ebay, when they say "ship 3 day from USA warehouse", but the item location says china... I probably should not believe them eh?
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[15:25:31] <Wolf_> longs motor?
[15:25:36] <malcom2073> one of them
[15:25:40] <malcom2073> there are like, 50 longmotor accounts
[15:25:47] <Wolf_> which one
[15:25:55] <malcom2073> longs_motor
[15:26:07] <Wolf_> its its 99 they do ship from cal
[15:26:11] <_methods> if it has a date when it will arrive it will show up then
[15:26:14] <Wolf_> calf*
[15:26:15] <_methods> they're usually pretty good about that
[15:26:22] <malcom2073> Yeah, 99's cost more and say item location: usa
[15:26:22] <malcom2073> heh
[15:26:41] <_methods> the estimated delivery date is correct most of the time
[15:26:51] <_methods> i've rarely had them not show up by est date
[15:26:54] <Wolf_> lol, for the package I got, I didn’t have any other choice
[15:26:56] <malcom2073> _methods: I mean when they say otherwise in their description and/or title
[15:27:27] <_methods> i don't know i go by the date usually in the upper description by price
[15:27:49] <_methods> thats been fairly accurate in my past experience
[15:28:09] <malcom2073> Yeah, I think I'm going to avoid the sellers who say ship from usa, but the location says china heh
[15:28:20] <malcom2073> http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Free-Wantai-4PCS-Nema34-Stepper-Motor-Dual-Shaft-3-5A-1600oz-in-CNC-/321531561598?hash=item4adcc6467e <<- example
[15:28:30] <malcom2073> "The motors will be shippd from USA warehouse"
[15:28:56] <_methods> yeah sep 23- oct9
[15:29:11] <malcom2073> Right, but it lies in their post
[15:29:14] <malcom2073> That's gotta be against some rule
[15:29:19] <malcom2073> or is this one of those "ebay doens'tcare" thigns
[15:29:29] <malcom2073> "ebay doesn't care" things *
[15:29:31] <_methods> well i think most of these sellershave multiple options
[15:29:47] <_methods> some probably ship from china and some really are probably in us warehouse
[15:30:06] <malcom2073> Worrysome that you don't get to pick the option heh
[15:31:29] <_methods> but it is ebay so you never know
[15:31:33] <malcom2073> yeah
[15:31:47] <_methods> always a crap shoot
[15:31:58] <malcom2073> I think it's worth the extra $50 to buy from an actual USA shipping seller
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[15:38:05] <Wolf_> yay 196A1Z showed up :)
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[15:38:30] <lair82> Good morning guys, I have installed the new Asrock H97m board with the intel G3258 CPU, and see some pretty good results latency wise, less than 11,000 on the 1ms thread4, with 2 Glxgears running, and a youtube video that has been running for over an hour. Nice,,,
[15:38:50] <malcom2073> Wolf_: which two guys on the FB group?
[15:39:55] <Wolf_> Mitutoyo Mics and Calipers $150 post
[15:40:21] <_methods> wtf is fb??
[15:40:30] <malcom2073> _methods: Something the kids use nowadays, don't worry about it :P
[15:40:38] <malcom2073> Wolf_: I guess he's splitting it up between the two of them?
[15:41:03] <_methods> is that facebook?
[15:41:09] <malcom2073> Yes
[15:41:11] <_methods> lol
[15:41:14] <Wolf_> joined 13hrs ago, and the pics are from someone elses listing
[15:41:20] <malcom2073> Ooohhh
[15:41:20] <malcom2073> heh
[15:41:48] <malcom2073> indeed you are right
[15:42:25] <_methods> this decades myspace
[15:42:32] <Wolf_> I noticed it quick cause I was thinking of jumping on set from Josh
[15:42:46] <lair82> I have a question regarding using the 2.7.0 released package, I am putting my config back together, and wondered about remapping, I have a few remapped codes, and wondered about the python bit that is in the INI. Do I need to still perform the following,
http://pastebin.com/p7KGPd7c ?
[15:42:47] <malcom2073> I'd mention it heh
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[15:48:08] <cradek> lair82: I don't know
[15:48:54] <cradek> lair82: I kind of doubt you still need to make ~/python but I don't know
[15:48:55] <lair82> I guess it won't hurt to just go ahead with it?
[15:49:09] <cradek> lair82: I don't know where you found this - is it from the manual matching your version?
[15:50:19] <lair82> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/remap/remap.html#_upgrading_an_existing_configuration_for_remapping
[15:50:58] <cradek> well I'll be
[15:52:08] <Wolf_> such shiny
http://i.imgur.com/Tl8PO4F.jpg
[15:52:24] <cradek> configs/sim/axis/remap/getting-started has the python directory inside the config directory
[15:52:36] <cradek> I'd strongly prefer that, personally
[15:52:42] <FinboySlick> Wolf_: I have one of those.
[15:53:31] <FinboySlick> It doesn't look that new though :P
[15:54:27] <Wolf_> thats a $105 ebay purchase, looks like I did ok-ish
[15:54:33] <lair82> That's how the rest of my machines are setup though?
[15:54:56] <lair82> with the python directory in the linuxcnc directory
[15:55:20] <malcom2073> Nice, I have a couple crappy dial indicators, sometime Ineed to buy a nice one
[15:55:43] <Wolf_> this is my first non-junk DI
[15:55:51] <lair82> if i move it all i need to do is modify the " [PYTHON] TOPLEVEL=/home/user/xxx/python/toplevel.py PATH_APPEND=/home/user/xxx/python ' lines to reflect it correct?
[15:56:57] <Wolf_> yesterday I was learning to read a mic using a near 100yr old brown and sharps no21 lol
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[15:59:06] <pcw_home> lair82: yeah the H97 Pro4 is a really good Preemt-RT target (as are the earlier H81 Intel boards)
[16:00:01] <lair82> that thing is flying pcw_home, I know what we will be using from now on!!!!!!! ;)
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[16:00:25] <pcw_home> Its also fast for general use
[16:01:16] <lair82> That is what I was wondering, I want to build a pc for my personal use and can't figure out which MB to use
[16:03:16] <pcw_home> I have at least a few months 24/7 of hm2_eth uptime on the MB at 4 KHz thread rate
[16:03:17] <pcw_home> and a couple weeks with 4 Ethernet cards at once (7I80HD, 7I80DB, 7I80DB,7I76E )at 2 KHz
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[16:07:56] <pcw_home> The G3258 is sort of in the current I3 region performance wise (but cheaper)
[16:19:22] <ssi> dang
[16:19:45] <ssi> pcw_home: does that imply that it'd do two cards at 4khz?
[16:24:07] <pcw_home> probably not but 2 at 3 KHz is possible
[16:25:31] <pcw_home> ( 4 work at 3 KHz but I/O points are limited )
[16:27:05] <ssi> gotcha
[16:36:17] <pcw_home> pretty rare to need more than one FPGA card for CNC apps
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[16:36:19] <pcw_home> (though might be good for wiring simplification)
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[16:57:26] <malcom2073> Wolf_: The bigger badder brother of my mill is up for sale in Ligonier, IN :)
[16:58:12] <Wolf_> yeah that thing looks like a beast
[16:58:31] <malcom2073> It is. iirc it has box ways too
[16:59:09] <malcom2073> Wonder what he wants for it
[17:01:33] <Wolf_> blah, I really need to go to the Motor Vehicle Administration to get some tag/title work done, really don’t wanna
[17:01:43] <malcom2073> Bwahaha, Maryland sucks :P
[17:02:59] <Wolf_> I could just go to a tag/title shop and eat the fees
[17:03:28] <malcom2073> That's what I used to do when I lived there
[17:03:41] <malcom2073> Think about how much money you could make in the 2 hours you sit and wait at the MVA
[17:03:56] <malcom2073> Not how much you *actually* would make for the time saved, but *could* make ;)
[17:04:57] <SpeedEvil> malcom2073: That is not quite valid. Some people might consider waiting at the MVA a scenic journey.
[17:05:07] <SpeedEvil> It's its own reward!
[17:05:10] <malcom2073> The people watching you can do there is rivaled only by walmart
[17:05:37] <Wolf_> the one in frederick is kinda boring
[17:05:43] <malcom2073> Wolf_: Yard sale next weekend
[17:05:57] <Wolf_> nice, I’m totally broke lol
[17:06:01] <malcom2073> lol
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[17:07:53] <malcom2073> Being as I live in amish country, I find this relevant :
http://imgur.com/gallery/3ua3o
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[17:08:13] <ssi> :D
[17:08:47] <Wolf_> lol
[17:09:04] <malcom2073> Totally believe it too, those guys are witty, and oftentimes quite smart.
[17:09:07] <lair82_> pcw_home, having problems with the static ip I asked you about yesterday, if I run a "/sbin/ifconfig -a" command, there is no eth0, eth1,,,,, port listed, any thoughts?
[17:11:08] <Wolf_> is neat that they added current wait times to the web site
http://www.mva.maryland.gov/locations/location.htm?id=frederick
[17:13:57] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: They have time to think.
[17:14:07] <malcom2073> Heh
[17:14:30] <FinboySlick> I think that's one of the tragedies of our time. People don't take time to consider and ponder anymore.
[17:14:39] <Wolf_> probably less cluttered by useless info as well
[17:14:42] <FinboySlick> There's always a facebook post to keep you from it.
[17:16:05] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: What's the bigger, badder brother of your mill, btw?
[17:16:23] <malcom2073> FinboySlick: I have a Clausing Kondia FV-1, the bigger badder brother is a FV-300
[17:16:36] <malcom2073> it's about 800lbs heavier, and has box ways instead of dovetail
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[17:19:13] <Wolf_> I could try to get ahold of this thing
http://i.imgur.com/BawBeW5.jpg lol
[17:19:24] <pcw_home> lair82_ are you saying the Ethernet was not found?
[17:19:55] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: It's like a very beefy bridgeport?
[17:20:05] <malcom2073> Yeah
[17:20:37] <FinboySlick> Wolf_: That mill looks soo sad. It's turned into a hobo with a hoodie.
[17:20:43] <FinboySlick> Wolf_: Give it a home.
[17:21:23] <Wolf_> my buddy has been trying to get ahold of the guy who owns it
[17:21:58] <Wolf_> this is sitting next to it in a 30yrd dumpster
http://i.imgur.com/UfN8dNh.jpg
[17:22:26] <FinboySlick> That's so sad.
[17:22:50] <FinboySlick> Look at that beautiful vise.
[17:23:13] <Wolf_> I even know part of the back story on those machines
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[17:25:06] <lair82_> pcw_home, if I run lspci, I see this, 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation Device 8cba 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Device 15a1 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation Device 8cad
[17:25:22] <lair82_> But I don't see anything regarding the eth port.
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[17:26:31] <lair82_> I don't remember disabling/turning off anything regarding networking in the bios
[17:26:35] <FinboySlick> For hand-scraping flat material, you use a surface plate. Is there an equivalent cylindrical method?
[17:26:42] <pcw_home> does it show up in dmesg?
[17:27:18] <FinboySlick> lair82_: Um... ethernet controller?
[17:27:21] <malcom2073> FinboySlick: There are a near infinite cylinder diameters, but I'm sure you can get calibrated cylinders somewhere...
[17:27:27] <pcw_home> I ddn't have any issue with the Ethernet on wheezy
[17:27:34] <pcw_home> didn't
[17:28:49] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: OK, but you'd need a calibrated cylinder. I was thinking along the lines of sliding a marker on a rotating part.
[17:29:10] <pcw_home> what does uname -a print? (if this is still using the 3.2.60 kernel than might be an issue since thats a newer Intel MAC )
[17:29:30] <malcom2073> FinboySlick: What are you trying to do? Make a curve perfect?
[17:29:56] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: Just pondering the method (I might be part-amish?).
[17:30:02] <Wolf_> calibrated cylinder squares
[17:30:53] <malcom2073> You could tape a marker to a rod, and mount that rod rigidly, and rotate it allowing th emarket to swipe down. If the rod is infinitly stiff, and the marker is infinitly accurate, it would mark in a perfect circle
[17:31:00] <malcom2073> That sorta thing?
[17:31:25] <Praesmeodymium> isnt that a lathe?
[17:31:26] <malcom2073> Ohh, you mean spinning the part, and moving a marker along a surface plate down the side?
[17:32:25] <lair82_> greenmill@greenmill:~$ uname -a Linux greenmill 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.4.55-4linuxcnc i686 GNU/Linux
[17:32:32] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: Well. For planar scraping, you put dye on the plate and you look for your high spots that way. With a cylinder, I was wondering if there was some sort of equivalent.
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[17:33:17] <malcom2073> Why would you want to?
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[17:34:04] <FinboySlick> You could roll the cylinder on the plate and find axial irregularities, but you wouldn't know if the cross-section is still a circle.
[17:34:07] <malcom2073> It's a lot harder to get a perfectly flat surface (for linear guides for instance), than it is to get a perfectly round rod (surface grinder + rotation attachment)
[17:34:40] <malcom2073> I don't know if there is a method, butI'm curious what the end use of such an object would be?
[17:34:42] <pcw_home> lair82_ umm rtai?
[17:34:54] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: Air-bearing, etc.
[17:35:46] <malcom2073> I thought surface grinders were plenty accurate enough for that
[17:35:53] <malcom2073> Or a grinding attachment on a lathe
[17:36:51] <Wolf_> http://www.subtool.com/st/cs_steel_cylinder_squares.html has to be a way to make them lol
[17:37:46] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: I imagine they are too. I was just curious if such a method exists.
[17:37:49] <lair82_> I modified the repositories section in synaptic, then ran "sudo apt-get install linuxcnc-uspace", how do I change to uspace?
[17:38:02] <malcom2073> Interesting thought experiment
[17:38:33] <CaptHindsight> a circlemometer?
[17:38:46] <CaptHindsight> for measuring circles
[17:39:02] <malcom2073> for measuring cyliners
[17:39:05] <malcom2073> cylinders*
[17:40:42] <archivist> and a conimeter for cones.... real I have one
[17:41:05] <archivist> patent 587175
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[17:44:24] <lair82_> cradek, how do I remove the linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae package ?
[17:47:16] <pcw_home> I think its more a matter of installing the uspace package
[17:48:00] <cradek> removing the rtai kernel, if you want rid of it, is a separate step afterward
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[17:48:10] <cradek> you just remove it like you remove any package
[17:49:48] <pcw_home> you will have to reboot to use the new kernel (after installing uspace)
[17:49:50] <pcw_home> (assuming the package install does the right grubbation )
[17:49:57] <cradek> yes and yes
[17:50:11] <cradek> don't remove the kernel you've booted, of course
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[17:53:46] <lair82> greenmill@greenmill:~$ uname -a Linux greenmill 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u3 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:54:11] <lair82> Removed my head from my arse, and removed the rtai kernel
[17:54:45] <lair82> And now I see eth1,,
[17:54:46] <cradek> yay
[17:55:11] <cradek> now that you've figured it out, please write a wiki article about how to remove your head from your arse
[17:56:58] <lair82> You got me,,,
[17:58:01] <Jymmm> cradek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rfUJcmXE-A
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[18:01:44] <lair82> pcw_home, I shouldn't need to touch my 7i80 should I, I set the ip as 10.10.10.1, and cannot see my 7i80
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[18:02:29] <lair82> That is what I have on the interfaces file
[18:04:02] <lair82> Could this be because of the iptables file not being modified, that I cannot find any way
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[18:08:53] <pcw_home> can you ping 10.10.10.10?
[18:08:54] <pcw_home> I aways try that first
[18:09:20] <lair82> I just did, after I just re-booted, and it says destination host unreachable
[18:09:42] <pcw_home> ok so thats a host network setup issue
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[18:10:28] <lair82> how do you stop it from pinging, close the window?
[18:10:39] <pcw_home> control C
[18:10:55] <lair82> Thank you
[18:16:11] <lair82> I installed iptables-persistant, and modified accordingly, but that didn't help
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[18:30:17] <lair82_> pcw_home, would that be a problem with one of three files that would normally be modified to setup the coms to the 7i80?
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[18:41:41] <PCW> AFAIK the iptables stuff is all set up automatically now
[18:42:29] <PCW> if you cannot ping the card you have a host network setup issue of some kind
[18:43:24] <PCW> what does ifconfig -a show?
[18:45:10] <lair82_> greenmill@greenmill:~$ ifconfig -a bash: ifconfig: command not found
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[18:48:04] <lair82_> PCW, so I don't need to set the IP or anything?
[18:48:36] <PCW> you do, you need to set a static IP address for the host
[18:49:04] <PCW> on debian ifconfig is in /libexec
[18:49:19] <lair82_> in the /etc/network/interfaces file correct?
[18:50:04] <lair82_> If I run /sbin/ifconfig -a it says this, eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr d0:50:99:60:fb:db inet6 addr: fe80::d250:99ff:fe60:fbdb/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:24 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:6796 (6.6
[18:50:54] <PCW> not setup right
[18:51:12] <PCW> no static ipV4 address
[18:53:18] <lair82_> Its working now, I cleared out the mods to the rules.v4 and sysctl.conf files, that needed to be done previously, and double checked the static ip in the interfaces file, and now it works
[18:53:39] <lair82_> after I retstarted networking
[18:54:36] <PCW> yeah some changes need networking restarted
[18:55:20] <lair82_> I had the sysctl.conf file modified the whole time, just because it needed to be before.
[18:55:37] <lair82_> Modify my notes, again
[18:55:56] <lair82_> My cnc config starts up, Hooray!!!
[18:58:39] <lair82_> Definitely getting easier to put these together, just a rough go of it finding out what it doesn't need anymore to make it happen.
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[19:01:17] <PCW> if the 7I80 is not on when the computer is powered up you may need a "ifup eth0" in the linuxcnc startup script
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[19:02:59] <lair82_> it has 5v power all the time, regardless of PC state
[19:03:09] <PCW> OK
[19:03:18] <lair82_> I like seeing the 4 green leds on the 7i80
[19:03:40] <PCW> I should fix them so they are blinky
[19:03:59] <lair82_> alternating
[19:04:13] <PCW> cyclon eye
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[19:05:34] <PCW> they are helpful to count packets when debugging but above about 100 packets per second the should get blinky
[19:06:04] <PCW> not that I have a lot of time for such sillyness
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[19:12:38] <lair82_> Time to hit it, Thanks guys,
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[19:18:40] <Tom_itx> learned a bit about CATIA last night
[19:18:45] <Tom_itx> quite a bit like SW
[19:18:57] <Tom_itx> the constraints are more visible
[19:19:03] <PetefromTn_> anyone got a good design for a nice shop built tubing notcher?
[19:19:22] <Tom_itx> roundbar?
[19:19:35] <PetefromTn_> tube
[19:19:46] <Tom_itx> roundtube squaretube?
[19:19:55] <Tom_itx> roundtube use a holesaw in a jig
[19:19:57] <PetefromTn_> round generally
[19:20:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am wanting to see if there is a nice simple jig design somewhere that works
[19:20:23] <Tom_itx> the local race shop used a bridgeport and cut them
[19:20:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah they don't have one down there LOL
[19:20:46] <Tom_itx> if you stamp it, it would crush the tube
[19:20:52] <PetefromTn_> there are several manufacturers that make them
[19:20:59] <Tom_itx> unless you used an insert
[19:21:04] <PetefromTn_> but they are pretty expensive for a decent one
[19:21:09] <Tom_itx> but you'd have to know where the insert was
[19:21:33] <Tom_itx> most of that stuff is gonna be 4130 isn't it?
[19:21:41] <PetefromTn_> http://www.trick-tools.com/common/images/products/large/101300.jpg
[19:21:49] <PetefromTn_> that is one of the better ones apparently
[19:22:18] <Tom_itx> looks easy to change the angles
[19:22:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[19:22:35] <PetefromTn_> I am considering machining something like it
[19:22:43] <Tom_itx> just tilt the table on a drillpress
[19:22:53] <Tom_itx> and make a tubing clamp for it
[19:22:57] <PetefromTn_> that one is like $500
[19:23:17] <PetefromTn_> in my experience drill presses make less than stellar tube notchers
[19:23:37] <PetefromTn_> and the drill press they have there is kind of an old tabletop rockwell that is a bit worn
[19:24:19] <PetefromTn_> http://www.trick-tools.com/JD2_Beast_Hole_Saw_Tube_Notcher_101300_3867#.VfnBhBFViko
[19:24:54] <malcom2073> I think I'm going to go downstairs, and see if I can drop a 800lb ram on myself
[19:25:11] <_methods> just buy one of these PetefromTn_
[19:25:13] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeGVbtrrHjE
[19:25:16] <SpeedEvil> malcom2073: break a leg.
[19:25:22] <Wolf_> try to do it softly malcom2073
[19:25:31] <Wolf_> don’t want to mess up the ram
[19:25:36] <malcom2073> Heh
[19:25:40] <malcom2073> I'm soft
[19:26:08] <ssi> _methods: I want that :(
[19:26:14] <_methods> haha me too
[19:26:48] <PetefromTn_> damn that is kickass
[19:27:03] <_methods> keep tryin to talk the boss into getting the attachment for our laser
[19:27:08] <PetefromTn_> makes a jig with a holesaw look positively cave man
[19:27:09] <Wolf_> I have
http://www.trick-tools.com/Pro_Tools_Industrial_Hole_Saw_Tube_Notcher_HSN_501i_4667#.VfnCdbRr-UQ
[19:27:43] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah
[19:27:47] <PetefromTn_> how do you like it?
[19:28:01] <Wolf_> it works
[19:28:24] <ssi> _methods: I have been thinking about a machine for a long time
[19:28:26] <PetefromTn_> one of the big problems is I need a notcher that will be able to cut the stainless 1.5 inch schedule 40 tubing and elbows
[19:28:45] <ssi> _methods: that can profile both ends of a tube in one operation, with the right length and orientation of the joint profiles
[19:28:57] <_methods> well that will do it lol
[19:29:06] <ssi> yeah I can't afford that one :P
[19:29:10] <_methods> and label it lol
[19:29:21] <ssi> yep that would be the "nice to have"
[19:29:40] <PetefromTn_> you could make some money with a machine like that
[19:29:46] <ssi> no shit :P
[19:31:00] <_methods> bybye bandsaw hello laser lol
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[19:31:25] <PetefromTn_> yup
[19:31:26] <Wolf_> other option PetefromTn_ is make a jig that will sit on a lathe cross slide
[19:31:51] <PetefromTn_> Wolf_ That would be AWESOME if my lathe were operational :(
[19:32:06] <_methods> you still latheless?
[19:32:29] <PetefromTn_> define latheless?
[19:32:31] <_methods> why don't you just do it on your mill?
[19:32:37] <_methods> without functional lathe lol
[19:32:46] <PetefromTn_> okay then YES I am
[19:32:49] <_methods> hahah
[19:33:05] <_methods> i'm not laughing at you
[19:33:15] <_methods> just at your response lol
[19:33:22] <PetefromTn_> I would not mind doing it on my mill but the mill is not at the shop where I am trying to make these turbo manifolds
[19:33:32] <_methods> ohhhh
[19:33:34] <PetefromTn_> good because that was the response I was looking for
[19:33:56] <Wolf_> looking at them its really not that hard to make one
[19:34:03] <Wolf_> notching jig that is
[19:34:13] <Sync> hmm neat
[19:34:33] <Sync> Ates brake master cylinders found in e46 bmws are DLC coated
[19:34:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah that BEAST one is interesting
[19:34:45] <Wolf_> yeah, that is pretty slick
[19:34:52] <PetefromTn_> the hole patters is for bolting down odd shaped tube
[19:35:13] <_methods> you have a mag drill?
[19:35:22] <PetefromTn_> only problem I see with it is that cutting elbows which is mostly what I will be cutting at anything other than flat is impossible
[19:35:32] <_methods> i think they make mag drill notching attachments
[19:35:32] <PetefromTn_> _methods no
[19:35:37] <_methods> damn
[19:35:42] <PetefromTn_> wish I did those are cool
[19:36:13] <PetefromTn_> even tho I have been acquiring tools and machines for decades you guys always seem to make me feel like I just got started ;)
[19:36:50] <Sync> gotta aquire them faster
[19:37:05] <PetefromTn_> I'm trying man but the shit is SPENSIVE
[19:37:21] <Wolf_> I want the new milwaukee tools 2787 drill
[19:37:47] <PetefromTn_> I want that damn laser tube notcher :D
[19:38:06] <fenn> can probably do just as well with plasma, for welding prep
[19:38:12] <Wolf_> not very portable
[19:38:18] <Sync> the fuck
[19:38:22] <Wolf_> the laser that is
[19:38:26] <PetefromTn_> I don't need portable
[19:38:30] <Sync> battery powered mag drill
[19:39:14] <Sync> also I'm not sure if I want a TTI tool
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[19:41:13] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_dPgYjMdmE
[19:41:14] <Wolf_> their new brushless stuff isn’t bad
[19:41:53] <_methods> i thought you had to do this on site?
[19:44:34] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc-xrAUQpiw
[19:44:40] <_methods> that is a cooler one
[19:44:56] <_methods> used a little robot arm hehe
[19:45:02] <Sync> still is tti Wolf_ :/
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[19:48:53] <Wolf_> I’ll still take them over the yellow tools
[19:49:33] <Sync> I've been happy with my makita stuff
[19:51:39] <Wolf_> so what if TTI owns Milwaukee tools…
[19:54:45] <renesis> dewalts are mostly okay
[19:55:44] <renesis> there was one model of drill/bit driver at job i had like 5 years ago where the trigger and speed control assembly would fuckup because of a bad solder joint on the FET
[19:56:09] <renesis> multiple units, same death, could be fixed but was drama because the pcb traces would break
[19:56:21] <Wolf_> just yellow black and decker junk imo ;P
[19:56:33] <renesis> the new ones dont seem to be a problem, never had issues with makita or milwaukee bit drivers
[19:56:53] <renesis> i got a makita one, the little white one with the smaller battery
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[19:57:17] <renesis> black and decker is decent for the money but in general kind of shitty =\
[19:57:37] <Wolf_> we murdered one of the 1/2” m12 milwaukee drills in my shop
[19:57:41] <renesis> sometimes too big on quantity of features vs overall quality
[19:57:49] <renesis> or just so bare bones its almost useless
[19:58:09] <renesis> they 1/2" ones are the ones with the handle?
[19:58:31] <fenn> can i get a cordless plasma cutter yet
[19:58:38] <renesis> if yes, honestly those seemed too cheap for what they were, and i dont remember their being a big increase in specs
[19:58:47] <renesis> like, you were mostly paying for the handle
[19:59:35] <Wolf_> oh sorry, 3/8”
[19:59:38] <Jymmm> fenn: Yes, yes you can. It's cordless, just not wireless ;)
[20:00:13] <renesis> oh M12 is like, smaller battery packs?
[20:00:21] <Wolf_> https://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/cordless/2407-22 this thing, killed it by drilling 1/2” holes in truck frames for 3 days straight
[20:00:41] <renesis> yeah that looks consumer
[20:00:48] <renesis> like, not for constant duty
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[20:01:24] <renesis> the reason i got the consumer milwaukee is they seem to be the same but only compatible with the smaller battery packs, which use the same charger as the big battery pack
[20:01:40] <renesis> also because cheap and small
[20:02:38] <renesis> but the chuck, switches, mechanicals, body casting, all seemed comparable to the pro stuff
[20:02:50] <Wolf_> yeah, since ’08 they standardized their packs, m12 = “12v” , m18 18v and 28v
[20:03:37] <Wolf_> and now they have different MAH rated packs
[20:04:15] <renesis> yeah little white makita same voltage as big blue makita, just lower capacity
[20:04:41] <renesis> like, the exposed part of the batter about half the height
[20:05:11] <Wolf_> but the brushless stuff is impressive, I have the 5” 18v grinder and 12v hammer drill
[20:05:12] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9au7P7_Ni3I this looks impressive
[20:05:24] <renesis> they come with a belt clip and not bit holder, and the bit holder accessory does not seem to exist retail, only thing i dont like about it
[20:06:03] <Sync> fenn: doesn't seem like it
[20:06:05] <_methods> yeah baileigh makes good jig stuff
[20:06:20] <_methods> you could make that yourself though
[20:06:32] <PetefromTn_> that looks like it would be perfect for what I need to do over there.
[20:06:37] <PetefromTn_> you think so?
[20:06:45] <_methods> yeah
[20:06:47] <PetefromTn_> that eccentric looks complex
[20:06:49] <_methods> a bearing block and a clamp
[20:06:50] <Wolf_> watching...
[20:06:51] <_methods> lol
[20:07:30] <_methods> the made a spiffy self centering clamp
[20:07:41] <PetefromTn_> that is the best part of the thing
[20:07:47] <PetefromTn_> the hole saw bit is simple as shit
[20:08:17] <Wolf_> clamping and alignment looks well thought out
[20:09:11] <_methods> all you need is a plasma, a printer and some tape lol
[20:09:12] <PetefromTn_> that one costs like $600
[20:09:25] <Wolf_> make one
[20:09:39] <PetefromTn_> well that is exactly what I am thinking of doing
[20:09:51] <PetefromTn_> but I want to find one that I can build without too much drama
[20:10:06] <Sync> yeah it is simple enough but the clamp is fairly annoying to make
[20:10:08] <_methods> seems like i saw some plans before
[20:10:12] <Wolf_> … you haz cnc, what drama?
[20:10:15] <Wolf_> :P
[20:10:25] <_methods> the chopper handbook one
[20:10:32] <_methods> http://www.chopperhandbook.com/notcher.htm
[20:10:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but even WITH CNC some things get pretty complicated even stuff that appears simple LOL
[20:11:32] <Wolf_> not that complex, really its a few plates with some holes and some tapping
[20:12:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah but I would need to figure out that eccentric clamp setup
[20:13:01] <PetefromTn_> honestly I would machine that thing tho it is cool as shit
[20:13:14] <Wolf_> 3 concentric slots, 3 angled slots
[20:13:59] <PetefromTn_> http://www.baileigh.com/tube-notcher-tn-250
[20:14:59] <Wolf_> the arm for the drill shaft is overkill
[20:15:08] <Wolf_> thickness wise
[20:15:32] <PetefromTn_> honestly I think it is just right that is where all the stress happens LOL
[20:15:56] <PetefromTn_> that thing also has quite a bit of travel
[20:15:57] <Wolf_> not really, maybe if you have a noob running the drill
[20:16:08] <PetefromTn_> I am quite the noob
[20:16:19] <PetefromTn_> and something of a hamfist
[20:16:30] <PetefromTn_> or so I have been told by myself ;)
[20:16:50] <Wolf_> my protools notcher is only 1/2 alum plate I think
[20:17:14] <renesis> my brain translated that into radiofist before i realised you mean clumsy
[20:17:30] <Wolf_> using good hole saw bits takes almost no force to cut
[20:17:54] <Wolf_> now if you spin it at max speed, and lean on it…
[20:18:16] <PetefromTn_> LOL I tried to use my Cheap 6" chinese vise and their drill press today with a hole saw arbor to notch some tube
[20:18:25] <PetefromTn_> IT_DID_NOT_GO_WELL
[20:18:49] <Wolf_> what type of hole saw arbor?
[20:19:10] <Wolf_> thin pos hole saw?
[20:20:35] <_methods> heheh best possible conditions
[20:20:39] <PetefromTn_> meh it is what they had no idea of brand
[20:20:50] <PetefromTn_> its a white one :D
[20:21:01] <PetefromTn_> the arbor was indeed a POS
[20:21:05] <Wolf_> really, if you need to do the same size tube often, get a plumbers chain vice, cheap x/y table and a annular cutter w/ a 3/4 weldon shank, chuck it up in the drill press
[20:21:10] <PetefromTn_> it did not even have the lugs on it
[20:21:31] <Wolf_> top of the hole saw go concave while trying to cut?
[20:21:58] <PetefromTn_> there was nothing really that wrong with the hollesaw or arbor
[20:22:22] <DaViruz> Thank you for considering McMaster-Carr for your purchase, but we have cancelled your order for the chrome-plated steel shaft.
[20:22:25] <DaViruz> Due to the cost of complying with extensive US export regulations, McMaster-Carr accepts international purchases only from our established overseas customers.
[20:22:36] <ssi> hooray ITAR
[20:22:40] <DaViruz> i'm sure the export regulations are very heavy on a frikken steel shaft
[20:22:50] <ssi> you'd be surprised :P
[20:22:58] <PetefromTn_> it is just the drill press is a 50 year old rockwell that is pretty worn out and I C clamped my chinko vise to the table and when I tried to cut with it the head swiveled and damn near broke the hole saw
[20:23:09] <DaViruz> ssi: and i was
[20:23:13] <Wolf_> lol
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[20:23:21] <DaViruz> what a load of crap
[20:23:36] <PetefromTn_> maybe they did not want to send the shaft to someone who refers to themselves as DAVIRUZ LOL
[20:23:39] <_methods> mcmaster don't need your business
[20:23:40] <_methods> lol
[20:23:41] <DaViruz> the darndest thing is i cant find a 5/8" ground shaft in sweden
[20:23:45] <_methods> they too busy rapin people here
[20:23:57] <_methods> they don't have time for euro rape
[20:24:26] <DaViruz> i'll just order it using freight forwarding, so they'll get the chance to rape me
[20:24:28] <PetefromTn_> ANyone want one of these notchers? I might make two or three to offset my costs LOL
[20:24:47] <Wolf_> that tn 250?
[20:25:00] <PetefromTn_> hell I dunno whatever one...
[20:25:00] <DaViruz> PetefromTn_: possibly :)
[20:25:02] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: I have a ~50yo Rockwell drill press as well. Does yours have a few pulleys to change speeds?
[20:25:03] <PetefromTn_> I need one
[20:25:04] <DaViruz> re: my name
[20:25:19] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah
[20:25:41] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight thiers is pretty beat man
[20:25:45] <PetefromTn_> theirs
[20:25:58] <Wolf_> slow speeds for bimetal hole saw
[20:26:04] <PetefromTn_> and it is sitting on a metal stand with a wood top that is not even bolted down right
[20:26:05] <CaptHindsight> mine still has the red lamp holder and scissor arm
[20:26:20] <Wolf_> but pretty sure pete knows that…
[20:26:23] <PetefromTn_> I am not saying Rockwell is not a good one quite the contrary
[20:26:40] <PetefromTn_> I would like to have a full size one
[20:26:49] <PetefromTn_> but this one has had a rough life it seems ;)
[20:27:13] <PetefromTn_> any ideas on that eccentric layout?
[20:27:25] <PetefromTn_> all I need is a drawing :D
[20:27:31] <CaptHindsight> I found this one for a few $$. I just changed it to a keyless chuck and fixed the wiring
[20:27:32] <Wolf_> 3 concentric slots, 3 angled slots
[20:27:46] <PetefromTn_> I know you keep saying that
[20:28:36] <Wolf_> if I have time later I can try drawing it up in SW but i’m half clueless about assemblies
[20:29:09] <PetefromTn_> kinda reminds me of a door on a spaceship LOL
[20:29:21] <PetefromTn_> you don't have to draw it man
[20:29:35] <PetefromTn_> I was just hoping for something similar online I can work from
[20:29:41] <PetefromTn_> Not sure what I will make yet tho
[20:29:50] <Wolf_> simple apature type device
[20:29:57] <CaptHindsight> DaViruz: is that because you use Metric vs Imperial?
[20:29:58] <PetefromTn_> I like that beast one too but it would require quite a chunk of material to make it like that
[20:30:10] <malcom2073> oh man my buddy pulled this out of the garbage for me for my mill:
http://www.amazon.com/MEDIGENIC-COMPLIANCE-INFECTION-WASHABLE-KEYBOARD/dp/B005RCUWI6
[20:30:34] <Wolf_> nice
[20:30:39] <DaViruz> CaptHindsight: yeah, stuff with imperial sizes is rarely seen here
[20:30:57] <DaViruz> you can be pretty hard pressed on finding a simple UNC/F screw
[20:30:59] <malcom2073> It's thus far a little bit obnoxiouis to type on, as I am someone who types by feel of the keys, not of home row heh
[20:31:07] <malcom2073> But for CNC who cares
[20:31:23] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: are you sure it wasn't in a toxic waste bag marked "Ebola Test Station #3"
[20:31:54] <malcom2073> :P Nah it got thrown out cause the cable got slammed in a door, looks mangled, but the wires inside are fine... just the shielding got hit
[20:32:06] <Wolf_> hah, I understand that, my cnc box has some odd sized wireless keyboard, I’m always hitting enter and end when I don’t mean to
[20:34:51] <malcom2073> I decided to clean the garage instead of trying to pick up the ram. I apparently left all my straps at my dads house
[20:35:00] <Wolf_> lol
[20:35:17] <Wolf_> most of mine are in my truck, I think
[20:35:36] <malcom2073> I normally keep them in my trailer box, but I helped him life/move a lathe the other weekend
[20:36:19] <malcom2073> Oh, I know what I can do! I'll get practice on my lathe, and try to turn down aluminum bushings for my pulleys
[20:36:37] <Wolf_> there ya go...
[20:36:57] <Wolf_> I still need to anneal that ball screw end and thread it
[20:37:46] <FinboySlick> malcom2073: Maybe that keyboard was used during the ebola scare.
[20:38:26] <Wolf_> PetefromTn_: if you REALLY need a notcher I have
http://www.pro-tools.com/products/hsn-501i-aspx sitting around right now, might be able to work something out :D
[20:38:29] <FinboySlick> Hehe, I should have read further down, CaptHindsight beat me to it.
[20:38:36] <malcom2073> FinboySlick: The timing is about right, but the hospital my buddy works at is more than careful about biowaste. He says they've had to throw away multi-thousand dollar machines after they've been contaminated with blood
[20:38:44] <malcom2073> Haha yeah
[20:38:53] <malcom2073> I'll lick it just to be sure, and sneeze on ya'll
[20:39:04] <SpeedEvil> 'kills 99.9% of germs' doesn't cut it sometimes.
[20:39:25] <SpeedEvil> It is essentially impossible to sterilise machines that are not explicitly designed for it to clinical levels
[20:39:48] <CaptHindsight> kills 0.1% of virus
[20:39:55] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: This keyboard *is* designed for it, they put them in... what are they called, autoclaves?
[20:39:59] <PetefromTn_> Wolf_ I honestly DO need one right now. The only issue is that I need to be able to hold onto this 1.5 inch sch40 elbows while notching at about any angle
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[20:40:30] <CaptHindsight> maybe not an autoclave
[20:41:00] <MacGalempsy> good afternoon
[20:41:01] <PetefromTn_> Wolf_ PM me with your best shipped price.... I may be interested
[20:41:07] <PetefromTn_> Hey Mac
[20:41:57] <MacGalempsy> Hows it going PetefromTn_?
[20:42:13] <PetefromTn_> Okay man hows you?
[20:42:14] <SpeedEvil> malcom2073: yes 'not designed for'
[20:43:16] <MacGalempsy> well, just got up about 20 minutes ago, was a long night
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[20:43:39] <MacGalempsy> didnt get to bed until 10am, thats about 4hr past bedtime
[20:44:25] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn_: Are you being poor again?
[20:44:31] <MacGalempsy> anyone have any experience with Renishaw strain probes?
[20:44:39] <PetefromTn_> shit man I live there....
[20:47:15] <MacGalempsy> I bought a box with 2 in there, but is looks like I will need a probe interface to make give an output
[20:47:30] <MacGalempsy> wondering if anyone has used the PI 4-2
[20:48:35] <malcom2073> Eh :P
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[20:58:12] <XXCoder> man whats up with that site. it implemented its own smooth scrolling
[20:58:19] <XXCoder> and it sucks. it took a whole minute
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[21:31:32] <malcom2073> Whups, missed my mark. Hit 0.623 instread of 0.625
[21:37:42] <DaViruz> bring out the bondo
[21:37:59] <malcom2073> https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12003891_1135313036483076_8126222718388923645_n.jpg?oh=1c775ceebd88217601ff349fb12d9e78&oe=56997E48
[21:39:58] <PetefromTn_> GASP Aluminum shaft?
[21:40:49] <malcom2073> Eh, I'll probably do it out of steel, but I'm playing around atm.
[21:41:00] <malcom2073> This is my first *intentional* lathe project where I'm trying to make something instead of just dicking around
[21:41:05] <PetefromTn_> Just kiddin around man
[21:41:23] <malcom2073> Oddly enough, I have significantly more aluminum than steel :P
[21:41:27] <malcom2073> And my tooling is shit anyway
[21:43:06] <PetefromTn_> Shit tooling is better than NO tooling.....I think
[21:43:11] <malcom2073> Probably yeah heh
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[21:44:17] <Wolf_> could be worse, could have a shit lathe too
[21:44:34] <malcom2073> Look closely, there's a ratrod southbend in the background :P
[21:44:41] <PetefromTn_> or one that does not work :D
[21:45:04] <malcom2073> Or one you don't have space for *cough* zeeshan *cough*
[21:45:21] <Wolf_> trade a notcher for a non-working lathe? :P
[21:45:25] <DaViruz> i have a vmc i no longer have space for :/
[21:45:35] <DaViruz> don't really want to get rid of it, but i have to now
[21:45:39] <PetefromTn_> that notcher is sweet huh
[21:45:50] <malcom2073> I should probably get a notcher sometime
[21:45:56] <malcom2073> along with a brake. My dad is selling his, but I have no room for it
[21:46:03] <malcom2073> I want to do sheetmetal enclosures
[21:46:08] <Wolf_> what sorta brake?
[21:46:24] <SpeedEvil> malcom2073: make a large sheetmetal shed.
[21:46:33] <malcom2073> heh
[21:46:58] <malcom2073> Wolf_:
http://carpenterswoodworking.com/?page_id=547
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[22:05:52] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:39:05] <Wolf_> PetefromTn_: you start that belt sander from hell project yet?
[22:39:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah I did actually
[22:40:08] <Wolf_> https://www.machineryhouse.com.au/L099#
[22:40:15] <PetefromTn_> got most of the base welded up and got the vertical spar fitted
[22:40:57] <PetefromTn_> damn that is spensive
[22:41:23] <PetefromTn_> that notcher is pretty interesting. I am seriously thinking of making it
[22:41:24] <Wolf_> I had to look at the pics 3 times to figure out what the machine can do
[22:41:52] <Wolf_> I hope you make that notcher, cause I can’t :P need moar mill
[22:43:05] <PetefromTn_> honestly I have made several machines before where I made one extra in exchange for materials and a bit of labor ;
[22:43:33] <PetefromTn_> I once made a very rigid carving duplicator machine that way
[22:43:55] <PetefromTn_> the guy I made the other one still uses his but I wound up selling mine when i got the CNC working
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[22:49:09] <Wolf_> yeah, why make 1 when you can make 2, makes better use of setups
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[22:51:35] <andypugh> If you meake 2, you can choose the good one.
[22:52:48] * JT-Shop figured out how to make the bootable USB stick... the manual is a tiny bit terse in that section
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[23:01:38] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what OS?
[23:02:48] <JT-Shop> the Debian Wheezy iso
[23:03:45] <Tom_itx> not with unetbootin?
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[23:05:14] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_write_the_image_to_a_bootable_devicehttp://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/getting-started/getting-linuxcnc.html#_write_the_image_to_a_bootable_device
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[23:09:14] <PetefromTn_> andypugh There is that ;)
[23:14:20] <JT-Shop> dang jitter is < 2500
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[23:37:18] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/wan/5225268017.html I just offered him a honda generator for one of them. will see what he says. :)
[23:37:51] <malcom2073> Nice
[23:39:41] <furrywolf> I don't want to spend that kind of cash on a lathe right now, but I'd definitely trade my freshly rebuilt eu3000is for one.
[23:40:15] <PetefromTn_> damn that is nice....good luck man
[23:40:49] <furrywolf> I'm not too familiar with clausing lathes... I've heard of them, but not much else. Good units I take it?
[23:41:52] <PetefromTn_> I ran a larger manual at one of the shops I worked in. Seemed very nice and accurate to me..
[23:41:59] <furrywolf> I know one would look very nice next to my B&S mill. :)
[23:42:28] <Wolf_> I would say ooo shiny but those arent :D
[23:43:30] <malcom2073> Patina
[23:43:35] <malcom2073> that's what you call it when they're rusty, but you like it
[23:44:03] <furrywolf> lol
[23:44:11] <Wolf_> lmao, I was thinking that cleaning my mic last night
[23:44:14] <furrywolf> they don't look that rusty to me.
[23:44:29] <Wolf_> then again, for almost 100yrs old, its not in bad shape lol
[23:46:38] <Wolf_> wonder if I should attempt to tram the x1 mill head
[23:46:47] <Wolf_> or column...
[23:47:51] <furrywolf> wondering if it's worth trying to make a cheap chinese machine precise? heh
[23:48:29] <Wolf_> yeah… I’m somewhat afraid the endeavor will end with the mill in the driveway in pieces
[23:49:09] <malcom2073> I've seen people who buy things like chinese cross slides, then scrape the ways
[23:50:09] <Wolf_> thats crossed my mind, but I don’t know how to scrape, plus I’m lacking a few things to do that
[23:53:57] <malcom2073> C'mon, you know you need another hobby
[23:54:39] <Wolf_> yeah, love when things start growing sub hobbies
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[23:56:02] <malcom2073> Heh, need a towel to wipe up that sarcasm?
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[23:57:24] <Wolf_> oh malcom2073, that listing that I thought was a scam, guy said it was his fiancée resisting the stuff to attempt to get more hits on it
[23:57:52] <Wolf_> guess I’ll find out if its legit in a while
[23:58:42] <malcom2073> Nice heh
[23:58:47] <malcom2073> relisting it, at significantly lower prices
[23:58:49] <malcom2073> heh
[23:59:00] <Wolf_> was same price
[23:59:20] <malcom2073> was it? I misread then
[23:59:56] <Wolf_> $300 for all, $150 for caliper + mic, $150 for the Interapid 312B-3
