#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-09-13

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[00:01:14] <Sync> one of my old teachers has a 25cm scar on his forearm because he got pulled into a deckel fp1
[00:01:59] <ganzuul> enleth: I'm gonna buy a set.
[00:02:34] <ganzuul> They sell the tips separately.
[00:03:22] <enleth> Sync: pulled in by what?
[00:03:39] <enleth> Sync: I mean, loose clothing or something?
[00:04:12] <Sync> it wasn't really loose but it got snagged by a chip and it pulled him in
[00:06:29] <ganzuul> How did the chip not break?
[00:06:44] <Sync> it happens™
[00:07:01] <ganzuul> hm
[00:07:08] <Sync> he was close to the cutter as he was lubricating it
[00:07:08] <enleth> Sync: you mean a long drilling chip?
[00:07:16] <Sync> yep
[00:07:25] <enleth> The more you know.
[00:07:41] <Sync> shit happens
[00:08:07] <enleth> All the more reasons to check the effectiveness of the spindle brake on mine.
[00:08:08] <ganzuul> Found a reference to those carbide grades: https://goo.gl/STK3YF
[00:08:31] <Sync> well, you won't really have a chance to hit it
[00:08:51] <enleth> It's inoperable now becuse the whole pneumatic subsystem is shot, but as far as I understand, it is engaged immediately every time power is cut to the spindle motor.
[00:09:34] <enleth> So it is meant to stop the spindle often and it remains to be seen how fast it actually stops
[00:10:51] <XXCoder> geez
[00:11:01] <XXCoder> windows 7 and 8 now downloads windows 10 without asking
[00:11:02] <jdh> http://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/for/5198416266.html
[00:11:16] <XXCoder> but not installing, but that takes nearly 2 gb space. bad, expecially on tablets
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[00:23:08] <malcom2073> Hahaha nice
[00:23:40] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Only with windows updates set to automatic download yeah?
[00:23:50] <XXCoder> malcom2073: good question
[00:24:27] <XXCoder> it says whather opt in or not
[00:25:13] <XXCoder> it blew some people isp quotas
[00:25:27] <Sync> who still has isp quotas
[00:25:37] <XXCoder> lots
[00:25:42] <XXCoder> not me lukcly
[00:26:19] <XXCoder> canada specifically ban no limit isps
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[00:26:36] <XXCoder> though isps that dont support that law just set limit then look away when people cross it
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[00:27:17] <malcom2073> My ISP quota is set by my bandwidth. Can't download too much on a tiny pipe :)
[00:27:35] <PetefromTn_> BAM Wifeys Brakes are DONE!! ;)
[00:28:29] <PetefromTn_> It only took two hours more than it was supposed to because I am a MORON but hey it is done now so I am good
[00:28:51] <furrywolf> you can do mine next. P
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[00:28:52] <furrywolf> :P
[00:29:04] <PetefromTn_> heh I gotta do MINE next
[00:29:13] <XXCoder> then mine. because why not?
[00:29:27] <PetefromTn_> Oh and her damn headlight blew out on the low beam so I gotta fix that now too
[00:29:33] <malcom2073> Then mine!
[00:29:43] <PetefromTn_> then I gotta wax it and clean the interior and and and and
[00:29:47] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: then fix my van driver side window and rear window lol
[00:29:55] <XXCoder> those two suddenly developed problems lol
[00:30:17] <furrywolf> my new subaru seems to need rear brakes... or, at least, the pedal travel is way excessive, but not spongy, and it's not the front brakes. so the rear is badly out of adjustment.
[00:30:31] <PetefromTn_> thankfully my Astro seems to be running pretty good and no issues but I noticed the brakes squeaked a bit yesterday so prolly gonna have to do that now too
[00:31:00] <Wolf_Mill> my f550 ate a set of rotors...
[00:31:05] <Wolf_Mill> $$$ ouch
[00:31:06] <PetefromTn_> Gotta head to the parts store now to buy a new headlight and return for warrantee my old brake pads
[00:31:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah so did this truck.
[00:31:20] <PetefromTn_> just put new ones on there
[00:31:33] <furrywolf> I've never needed to replace rotors.
[00:31:34] <PetefromTn_> they were only $35 a piece tho
[00:31:34] <Wolf_Mill> bet they were less then $200 each
[00:31:41] <PetefromTn_> WOAH
[00:31:51] <PetefromTn_> GOtta go BBL
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[00:31:57] <furrywolf> I'm willing to live with a little bit of scoring or other minor issues. heh.
[00:32:00] <malcom2073> Heh, he forgot to refill the brakes
[00:32:16] <XXCoder> lol
[00:33:31] <malcom2073> I took apart my mill's electronics box, pulled out the servo drives and transformer
[00:33:44] <malcom2073> Looks like all the uglyness is from the intake fans not having filters on them, it's all dust and dirt
[00:33:50] <malcom2073> NOt really much, if any, corrosion that I can see
[00:34:20] <XXCoder> malcom2073: shops tend to use some fiberglass thingy as covers to keep dust and crud out
[00:34:36] <furrywolf> I'm hoping to make mine sealed. well, not sealed, but not containing any intentional openings.
[00:34:37] <XXCoder> huge ability for air to get in though so fans isnt even work harder
[00:35:05] <malcom2073> Yeah, this box has enough surface area, I'll bet I can just circulate air inside and be ok,
[00:35:05] <enleth> malcom2073: does it get so hot inside that air must be exchanged?
[00:35:07] <furrywolf> all parts that need heatsinking will be bolted to the 1/8" alu sides.
[00:35:08] <malcom2073> I'll try it
[00:35:14] <malcom2073> enleth: No clue, it hasn't run yet :)
[00:35:34] <enleth> malcom2073: ah, so definitely try just sealing it
[00:35:39] <XXCoder> malcom2073: yeah got IR camera? that would be handu
[00:35:48] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Buddy of mine does, good idea
[00:35:57] <Wolf_Mill> I have one
[00:36:05] <jdh> flir makes a phone IR cam
[00:36:11] <malcom2073> He got one of the E4's and turned it into an E8 with the firmware hack :)
[00:36:12] * furrywolf wants one
[00:36:17] <Wolf_Mill> I have a flir e4x2
[00:36:23] <XXCoder> it will be nice to place fins at hottest place and do external air blowing though it
[00:36:38] <XXCoder> air inside stays inside and air outside stays outside but heat gets pumped out
[00:36:45] <jdh> http://www.flir.com/flirone/content/?id=62910
[00:36:46] <malcom2073> The box is huge though, lots of surface area, it *may* be ok
[00:36:52] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:37:05] <Wolf_Mill> flir one = potato pics
[00:37:09] <XXCoder> wow nice
[00:37:29] <furrywolf> XXCoder: panasonic makes a waterproof, fan-cooled toughbook... they move the heat through the waterproof bulkheads with a heatsink on the outside, with a waterproof fan.
[00:37:37] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: Can you do the firmware hack on the E4X2 to give you double resolution?
[00:37:51] <Wolf_Mill> whats 4 x2 :P
[00:38:08] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/S3ap9WE.jpg
[00:38:10] <malcom2073> Oh, that's qty 2?
[00:38:10] <malcom2073> lol
[00:38:12] <XXCoder> other way would be surpising simple. water cooling system that pumps heat to outside
[00:38:13] <enleth> I just finished cleaning the control box on the bport and now I know why there would be a ton of chips, coolant and gunk on the bottom - there were two additional cable bundle holes with no cable bundles in them. Factory painted edges, not modified. All that crap got inside through there.
[00:38:26] <enleth> Maybe they were plugged once but the plugs fell out or something.
[00:38:28] <Wolf_Mill> its a hacked e4
[00:38:40] <malcom2073> Ahhhh nice
[00:38:44] <malcom2073> yeah that's what my buddy has :)
[00:38:45] <malcom2073> They're DAMN nice
[00:38:50] <XXCoder> jdh: expensive though lol
[00:38:54] <XXCoder> half value of my phone
[00:38:56] <furrywolf> enleth: time for new plugs. or duct tape.
[00:39:04] <enleth> furrywolf: I went for duct tape
[00:39:09] <XXCoder> weird though since case for iphone is just $150
[00:39:11] <malcom2073> I told my buddy if he ever gets bored withhis, he has to sell it to me for what he paid for the e4 hah
[00:39:18] <XXCoder> temped to just buy case and hack it
[00:39:20] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[00:39:28] <enleth> That was about 6 hours of cleaning, so I just taped the holes and called it a day.
[00:40:05] <Wolf_Mill> its a nice tool http://i.imgur.com/0BK6aGR.jpg
[00:40:08] <enleth> I'll have to revisit all that anyway when I install circular connectors on the cables, then I can plug the extra holes properly.
[00:40:13] <malcom2073> Yes it is
[00:40:13] <XXCoder> jdh: its also nice case for rooting - I enabled 270 degree view so I can hold my phone upside down
[00:40:52] * furrywolf wants an ir camera, but they're stupidly expensive. (
[00:40:54] <furrywolf> :(
[00:40:59] <furrywolf> also, my : seems to be sucking today.
[00:41:04] <malcom2073> furrywolf: $800 for an E4
[00:41:06] <XXCoder> lol
[00:41:19] <malcom2073> We have a flir at work, it's huge, and was something like $8k
[00:41:23] <furrywolf> yes. that's about $750 more than I can spend on such a device.
[00:41:24] <XXCoder> furrywolf: get a spot termal checker. not as good but allows you to check heat at places
[00:41:26] <XXCoder> $20
[00:41:35] <furrywolf> I have one of those already.
[00:41:47] <XXCoder> I love owning one.
[00:42:23] <Wolf_Mill> http://i.imgur.com/XRTwasV.jpg there is a learning curve to using a thermal cam
[00:42:33] <XXCoder> http://hackaday.com/2013/11/04/manufacturer-crippled-flir-e4-thermal-camera-hacked-to-perform-as-high-end-model/
[00:42:38] <malcom2073> Indeed, and remember, reflective surfaces reflect IR too :P
[00:43:02] <furrywolf> it is the learning curve that invariably involves pointing it at a cat? :)
[00:43:22] <malcom2073> cats are manditory
[00:43:34] <malcom2073> As is someone with a beard and sunglasses
[00:43:37] <Wolf_Mill> using it outside is odd, get -100 deg readings
[00:43:50] <malcom2073> Yeah the sky is thermally chilly
[00:44:17] <XXCoder> sky is infinite heat sink
[00:44:26] <XXCoder> to camera anyway
[00:44:45] <XXCoder> ir spot check reports weird numbers too
[00:47:10] <malcom2073> I wonder how to load down the servo drives, just dead-end the servos?
[00:47:25] <malcom2073> Or I guess hard back and forth motion
[00:47:42] <XXCoder> HM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VL7qzzxJSQ
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[00:48:11] <XXCoder> I once made IR googles. was fun lol
[00:48:23] <XXCoder> people grass and everything looked weird
[00:48:28] <XXCoder> sky was.. black.
[00:48:44] <XXCoder> no stars. stars dont emit enough ir
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[00:49:28] <XXCoder> it needs in least one sheet red and 3 sheets congo blue sheets
[00:50:48] <XXCoder> if you guys ever make one, do not look at sun
[00:51:36] <enleth> Sounds like one of those "been there, done that, don't do that" moments
[00:51:38] <roycroft> if you look at the sun it will put your eye out
[00:51:49] <XXCoder> roycroft: no. it can cause snow blindness
[00:52:07] <XXCoder> enleth: I took warnings seriously with my eyes.
[00:52:34] <furrywolf> "do not look into laser with remaining eye"
[00:52:38] <XXCoder> it is 1/3 of my total sensory package after all.
[00:52:39] <enleth> XXCoder: what about augumenting those goggles with some serious UV filters that don't block the relevant IR range?
[00:52:55] <XXCoder> enleth: ir IS the point
[00:53:03] <XXCoder> it gives you ability to see IR directly
[00:53:03] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Outside our laser lab at work, we have that sign :)
[00:53:08] <XXCoder> no enchancements
[00:53:12] <XXCoder> natural eyes
[00:53:22] <enleth> XXCoder: yeah, I know how it works
[00:53:26] <furrywolf> ... a very tiny bit of ir that overlaps with red. heh.
[00:53:35] <XXCoder> indeed
[00:53:50] <XXCoder> enleth: actually youre right misread what you said lol
[00:54:04] <enleth> XXCoder: I mean, would another UV filtering layer help reduce the risk of looking at the sun?
[00:54:06] <XXCoder> not sure if ir itself can cause problems if bright enough, aka direct from sun
[00:54:15] <XXCoder> uv is definitely bad
[00:54:29] <enleth> Snow blindness is mostly from UV, right?
[00:54:30] <XXCoder> I thought you meant block IR itself enleth lol
[00:54:51] <furrywolf> I don't like UV. I seem to be abnormally sensitive to it... I hate blacklights. no idea why anyone would ever put something so painful anywhere, ever...
[00:55:09] <furrywolf> they're painfully bright grey, if that makes any sense.
[00:55:10] <XXCoder> uvg isnt too bad for me, I hate flashing though
[00:55:35] <XXCoder> I literally can't see if I drive by police car in night
[00:55:40] <XXCoder> which is quite a nightmare
[00:56:08] <furrywolf> yeah, that's why I want to kill cyclists who think it's a good idea to set their 30W LED headlight to seizure mode.
[00:56:27] <XXCoder> furrywolf: the magic lays in 3 flashes per second
[00:56:39] <XXCoder> it gives me headaches but thankfully not seizure
[00:57:28] * furrywolf can't imagine ever being such an asshole as to go around blinding everyone else on the road... but then again, /me isn't a cyclist. being a cyclist apparantly damages your brain somehow...
[00:57:41] <XXCoder> Ib used to be cyclist
[00:57:49] <XXCoder> but yeah flashing is fine if not bright
[00:57:57] <XXCoder> 30w flashing is too much
[00:58:12] <XXCoder> I have overly amazing night vision so it literally blinds me
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[00:58:46] <enleth> XXCoder: yeah, an additional layer of good UV filters made of something that specifically doesn't block near IR would make it safe-ish to look at the sun in those goggles
[00:59:10] <XXCoder> yah though its safe as long as dont stare at sun for more than second
[00:59:14] <XXCoder> total
[00:59:26] <MacGalempsy> well, if all went right this afternoon, I may be able to start the spindle tonight
[00:59:54] <XXCoder> its probably safe longer a little but I am paraoid with my eyes thank you very much. (1/3 of sensory total)
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[01:02:24] <enleth> Oh, by the way, I ripped a very strange contraption out of the control cabinet of my Bridgeport. See, the Heidenhain-based Series 1 CNC models had this power outlet on the side of the cabinet. On mine, it was an european socket (a German "schuko"), but wired into the 110V secondary of the main transformer, which is also the main control voltage supply for the whole machine. I'm not sure what's that really
[01:02:30] <enleth> for, but that's how they made them at the factory. But it wasn't enough for the previous owner.
[01:03:19] <furrywolf> on my brown&sharpe, I suspect the wiring that might have done that was for the light.
[01:03:24] <furrywolf> the bendy-arm light
[01:04:00] <enleth> So, they installed a 24VDC modular power supply, a nice configurable relay set for a 6s off-delay, and a limit switch on a 2m long cable exiting the cabinet through an extra hole.
[01:04:40] <enleth> tl;dr when the limit switch closes, 24VDC is provided at the power outlet, with a 6s off delay
[01:04:41] <Wolf_Mill> well that was simple enough http://i.imgur.com/9HOn0vS.jpg
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[01:04:51] <malcom2073> That's..... weird
[01:05:01] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: Nice! Building your own eh?
[01:05:30] <Wolf_Mill> coolant tank yeah, noga will be here monday
[01:05:36] <malcom2073> Sweet
[01:05:40] <enleth> Whatever for? I didn't care, I just ripped all that out and hooked the socket up into the original 110V terminals. Luckily they didn't cut the cables shorter.
[01:05:57] <enleth> Now I have a nice 24VDC PSU and a configurable relay.
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[01:06:41] <enleth> And all the wiring in the cabinet is back to factory specs.
[01:06:54] <furrywolf> meh, another person using a pressure vessel for the coolant... I'm still planning on a pump. P
[01:06:55] <furrywolf> :P
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[01:07:31] <enleth> furrywolf: at least they aren't using the hollow base of the machine as a coolant reservoir
[01:07:45] <malcom2073> :/ The base of mine is full of rancid coolant
[01:08:01] <enleth> malcom2073: I removed a bucketfull of shit from mine
[01:08:23] <furrywolf> heh, my b&s is filled with some form of coolant/water/way oil glop...
[01:08:30] <enleth> All dried up, I had to use a trowel to scrape it off
[01:08:41] <malcom2073> This stuff is still half liquidy
[01:08:43] <enleth> With the base laying on the side
[01:08:50] <Wolf_Mill> I dont feel like dealing with flood cooling on a desktop mill
[01:09:09] <enleth> At least I could paint the underside with some rust preventive
[01:10:02] <enleth> The underside of the base turned out to be the only iron surface of the mill that attracted any kind of rust. Incidentally, it was the only surface of the mill that hasn't been flooded with coolant for 30 years.
[01:10:17] <XXCoder> not surpising
[01:10:26] <XXCoder> coolant usually includes some kind of oil
[01:11:10] <enleth> XXCoder: also, on this machine, excess oil ends up in the cooland resevoir and is pumped back as coolant
[01:11:26] <XXCoder> interesting
[01:11:41] <furrywolf> mine as well, except for the oil that randomly drips onto your floor.
[01:11:48] <enleth> As I said yesterday, this mill has lost the ability to rust in a pretty literal sense
[01:12:01] <XXCoder> at workj theres this weird tube that rotates constantly and oil sticks to outsides and it takes it off and it drips to bucket
[01:12:06] <XXCoder> its filtered and reused
[01:12:54] <enleth> That's also why I decided that it's not worth even trying to repaint it.
[01:12:56] <XXCoder> rubber or soft plastic tube thing
[01:13:12] <Sync> XXCoder: oil skimmer
[01:13:15] <Sync> very important
[01:13:36] <XXCoder> yeah machine I usually run at work had half paint gone and basically no rust. one guy once poured water on table (nbo idea why)
[01:13:38] <enleth> With so much coolant in the iron, I'd have to wash it all with some serious industrial cleaning fluids to get any kind of caulk or paint to stick
[01:13:51] <XXCoder> and other coworker told me to spray coolant all over where that guy poured water
[01:13:55] <XXCoder> so its not rusting
[01:15:20] <Sync> if you don't skim the oil off your coolant will turn bad very quickly
[01:15:39] <XXCoder> Sync: oil skimmer interesting. thanks
[01:16:05] <XXCoder> it looks very simple
[01:16:12] <Sync> it is
[01:16:32] <XXCoder> basically length of loop tube, motor to rotate it, and ring to skim off oil and drip into bucket
[01:16:34] <XXCoder> done
[01:17:38] <XXCoder> http://www.instructables.com/id/Infrared-IR-Webcam/?ALLSTEPS
[01:17:40] <enleth> Funny, I don't think there's any way to do that on the Bridgeport
[01:17:53] <XXCoder> I wonder how effective it would be for detecting heat spots.
[01:17:59] <XXCoder> enleth: its possible anywhere
[01:18:14] <Sync> yup, if you have a closed surface your coolant will not aerate anymore
[01:18:15] <XXCoder> its very simple all it need is a way for loop to touch coolant
[01:18:30] <Sync> which will make anerobic bacteria grow like fuck
[01:18:31] <XXCoder> preferable half of loop in coolant
[01:18:57] <enleth> XXCoder: but the machine is apparently supposed to work without this addition, and with oil entering the resevoir
[01:19:30] <Sync> it will
[01:19:45] <Sync> but if you have 1000l coolant reservoirs there is considerable money in there
[01:19:55] <Sync> and desinfecting a large cnc is superbly annoying
[01:19:59] <XXCoder> Sync: one lathe at work often has broken oil skimmer
[01:20:00] <Sync> a BP is only annoying
[01:20:04] <XXCoder> coolant always look so bad
[01:20:12] <XXCoder> its being constantly fixed
[01:20:12] <Sync> tell osha
[01:20:33] <Sync> if it has turned over it needs serious work to get it right again
[01:21:01] <XXCoder> its been mostly fine lately]
[01:21:05] <furrywolf> I doubt the capacity on mine is more than ten gallons
[01:21:59] <enleth> AFAIR the manual recommends using Mobil Vactra No. 2, which I'll be ordering next week to replace some random motor oil I found in the oil pump reservoir. Is that oil also that prone to spoilage?
[01:22:14] <malcom2073> mmm vactra
[01:22:24] <Sync> how will a mineral oil spoil
[01:22:29] <malcom2073> oil doesn't spoil
[01:22:33] <MattyMatt> Oh terrific. I've been looking at old british lathes to see what my 1.25x7tpi nose thread is compatible with, and it's this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-1-4-BSW-x-7-tpi-Hex-Die-Nut-/131597257174 standard bloody whitworth again like the leadscrew
[01:22:34] <Sync> ^
[01:22:41] <enleth> That's the question, I wouldn't expect it to.
[01:22:45] <malcom2073> Water based coolants can
[01:22:46] <Sync> it won't
[01:22:51] <Sync> coolant will/can
[01:23:13] <enleth> Ah, that makes more sense.
[01:23:22] <XXCoder> enleth: car oil do age as its heated repeatively and abused. but cnc machine oil I dont think so?
[01:24:38] <MattyMatt> depends how hard you're cutting. if it burns and you recirculate it, it's bound to spoil eventually just like in an engine
[01:25:14] <furrywolf> in an engine it's also being exposed to combustion products
[01:25:20] <MattyMatt> there are bacteria that can live in the water based coolant tho
[01:25:32] <MattyMatt> that'd suck. mouldy mill
[01:25:42] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: I guess it can be reconditioned and cleaned?
[01:25:52] <MattyMatt> boiled I guess
[01:25:54] <enleth> TBH I'm not sure if I want to keep using the base casting as the reservoir
[01:26:04] <Sync> MattyMatt: you just get rid of it
[01:26:19] <malcom2073> enleth: I don't plan on it, I'm going to move the motor outboard
[01:26:28] <malcom2073> have the tank exterior and easy to get to/clean
[01:26:30] <Sync> in small quantities it is not worth it
[01:26:31] <enleth> I could just route the coolant removal hoses into a separate, dedicated tank.
[01:26:39] <Sync> that's a good idea
[01:26:43] <XXCoder> enleth: yeah would work
[01:26:45] <Sync> as the base is a bitch to clean
[01:27:00] <XXCoder> enleth: what will you do with base?
[01:27:00] <furrywolf> my plan is since the stock coolant system has worked fine for 70 years, I don't need to change anything. :P
[01:27:05] <enleth> Sync: that's an understatement
[01:27:22] <XXCoder> I guess you need some sorta mass on base for stability
[01:27:34] <enleth> XXCoder: it's relatively clean right now, so I'll just do nothing with it, let it be
[01:27:56] <enleth> XXCoder: or maybe fill it up with sand to add some extra weight?
[01:27:56] <XXCoder> oh yeah
[01:28:15] <XXCoder> I found this interesting android app, it generates gcode for engraving
[01:28:21] <Sync> pfft there is no need
[01:28:27] <XXCoder> though missing starting and ending stuff like m30
[01:28:46] <MattyMatt> cast iron doesn't rust through like steel does
[01:28:48] <XXCoder> Syncs the expert
[01:29:04] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: it does but it dont turn very cancerous rust
[01:29:20] <XXCoder> (doh thats what you said. nm lol)
[01:29:34] <enleth> XXCoder: I'm not sure of the mass of the coolant changes anything as far as machine stability goes
[01:30:03] <furrywolf> my machine weighs 4000lbs. 40lbs of coolant isn't going to significantly affect its stability. :)
[01:30:08] <malcom2073> Heh, yeah 60lbs of coolant vs a 3000lb base
[01:30:25] <XXCoder> I don't know, in age of 3d printers, why anyone exposes actual pictures of master keys. like TSA master keys
[01:30:39] <XXCoder> makes sense mal, fur.
[01:30:53] <furrywolf> XXCoder: because in the age before 3d printers, it was still trivial to make a key with a file.
[01:31:00] <furrywolf> and nothing has changed.
[01:31:04] <enleth> The whole base/column casting on mine is about 500kg, half of that is at the bottom
[01:31:05] <MattyMatt> you put your phone near your house keys
[01:31:08] <XXCoder> I suppose but its so much riciously easy now
[01:31:42] <enleth> XXCoder: I have 3D printers at hand and I'd still use a file
[01:31:49] <furrywolf> no, it's not ridiculously easy. 3d printers generally make useless crap with piss-poor tolerances and strength, and won't make useful keys. while many, many times as many people own files... :P
[01:31:59] <XXCoder> I want a 3d printer but not too sure on uses.
[01:32:01] <enleth> XXCoder: fun fact: bakelite makes for a great key material
[01:32:06] <XXCoder> did you find em useful enleth
[01:32:16] <enleth> Soft enough to file down quickly, hard enough to be a useful key.
[01:32:17] <furrywolf> fun fact: no one has a 3d bakelite printer. :P
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[01:32:38] <enleth> XXCoder: 3D printers? Yeah, for some things.
[01:32:49] <enleth> XXCoder: not for everything though
[01:32:50] <MattyMatt> you can have a paste extruder on a printer, with epoxy+woodflour
[01:32:51] <malcom2073> I like my 3d printer
[01:32:53] <furrywolf> I figure if I ever want to 3d print something, I'll just stick an extruder in the spindle of my mill and a hotbed on the table...
[01:33:04] <MattyMatt> hotbed is optional
[01:33:27] <enleth> furrywolf: that should work but may be a bit slow
[01:33:36] <MattyMatt> your mill is considerably flatter than most printers, so you can get the first layer to adhere on any flat stock
[01:33:52] <furrywolf> enleth: ... slower than something made with nema17 motors and hardware store allthread, like most people consider perfectly acceptable for a 3d printer? :P
[01:33:59] <furrywolf> I can do close to 2 inches/second...
[01:34:01] <XXCoder> my router wouldnt work unless want large inch to 2 inches thick prints
[01:34:08] <MattyMatt> nah printers are belt drive on X & Y
[01:34:15] <furrywolf> not the fastest machine in the world, but a lot faster than the crap that passes for a 3d printer.
[01:34:26] <MattyMatt> 12 inches a second, although the printhead can't keep up with that
[01:34:28] <enleth> The problem with 3D printers is inertia. Mills don't have this problem, they have to overcome the cutting forces - unless they aren't cutting.
[01:34:33] <furrywolf> ... do you want me to go google all the machines built with hardware store allthread? P
[01:34:35] <furrywolf> :P
[01:34:38] <malcom2073> My printer has ballscrews heh
[01:34:41] <furrywolf> grrr, something is very wrong with my :.
[01:34:53] <MattyMatt> 95% of printers are belt
[01:34:58] <XXCoder> my 3d printer is nonexistant. bit of a problem to overcome lol
[01:35:01] <malcom2073> True
[01:35:05] <enleth> furrywolf: how fast can you do a sharp corner?
[01:35:17] <furrywolf> enleth: dunno. :P
[01:35:25] <furrywolf> how sharp? :)
[01:35:40] <XXCoder> I got an idea
[01:35:47] <XXCoder> ice printer. bet thats pretty easy
[01:35:54] <XXCoder> though envorment part is bit hard
[01:35:54] <enleth> furrywolf: well, try it, aim for no noticeable roundoff
[01:35:57] <furrywolf> I have some pretty beefy nema34 steppers running at 8A/phase... I have a lot of low-speed torque for changing directions.
[01:36:04] <enleth> furrywolf: you'd need that for 3D printing
[01:36:17] <malcom2073> 1200mm/sec^2
[01:36:18] <MattyMatt> XXCoder already had it, last winter I think :)
[01:36:24] <malcom2073> is about the minimum I've found gets decent prints
[01:36:26] <XXCoder> lol ok
[01:36:28] <MattyMatt> the idea. I never made one
[01:36:34] <furrywolf> enleth: roundoff is defined by the linuxcnc trajectory planner, and configurable in your code. the machine will have a maximum of what you set it to.
[01:36:46] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: wanna do kickstarter together? lol
[01:37:04] <MattyMatt> syringe of hot water. drops should freeze
[01:37:34] <enleth> furrywolf: set a 0.3mm tool diameter, maximum roundoff of 0.3mm, full speed ahead with no tool, see how much it slows down to corner
[01:37:50] <MattyMatt> send wet envelopes as reward prints . "It was fine when I posted it"
[01:37:53] <furrywolf> that's not how linuxcnc's setting works. :)
[01:38:05] <furrywolf> it's how far from the specified path it's allowed to deviate to keep the speed up
[01:38:20] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: reward for $10 ones - container of water that was specifically used in tests lol
[01:38:25] <malcom2073> enleth: It'll slow down enough to take the corner within maximum deviation while staying below maximum acceleration
[01:38:34] <furrywolf> if you set it to 0, it'll come to full stop at the corner.
[01:39:14] <Sync> furrywolf: you can make good enough keys to open tsa locks
[01:39:26] <enleth> furrywolf: so it's a question of how much time your machine needs to waste stop one axis from full speed to 0 and the other from 0 to full
[01:39:29] <Sync> and dual litho 3d printers are pretty awesome
[01:39:34] <enleth> *to stop
[01:39:34] <furrywolf> I have the same keys the TSA has... a crowbar and a pair of bolt cutters.
[01:39:57] <XXCoder> there is always rubber hose key
[01:40:02] <enleth> furrywolf: 3D printers are optimized to do that all the time, fast
[01:40:06] <MattyMatt> the kind of printing that will appeal to metalworkers is that one with the poweder spray into a laser meltpool
[01:40:08] <furrywolf> with the tsa, it's more of a rubber glove key.
[01:40:14] <XXCoder> theres nice other tool - rubber hose decryption kjey
[01:40:24] <furrywolf> enleth: have you seen some of the utter shit that passes for 3d printers? lol
[01:40:34] <enleth> furrywolf: yeah, I have
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[01:40:55] <furrywolf> I wonder how fast zee's machine with his 5hp or whatever servos corners. :)
[01:41:14] <enleth> furrywolf: I have 3 boxes somewhere full of 3D printers so shitty that no one has bothered to try and fix them for the last 2 years
[01:41:28] <furrywolf> in any case, I don't plan on frequent 3d printing. so far I've done exactly no 3d printing. if I planned on doing a lot of it, I'd make a dedicated machine, not use my mill.
[01:41:47] <MattyMatt> deltas are the new fun in printers. they fast
[01:41:53] <enleth> They're actually headed for the garbage bin soon
[01:42:05] <furrywolf> fast, but poor accuracy.
[01:42:09] <XXCoder> enleth: whats problem with those printers
[01:42:32] <malcom2073> enleth: Don't trash 'em, sell the parts
[01:42:39] <MattyMatt> http://imgur.com/a/v5Aid me declares an interest in crappy printers
[01:42:41] <malcom2073> even a trash 3d printer has $100-$200 worth of pars in it
[01:42:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:42:46] <enleth> XXCoder: they are pure shit, unspoiled even by a slightest mark of good engineering
[01:42:58] <malcom2073> MattyMatt: I was hoping that was what I thought it was, and it was :)
[01:43:04] <enleth> XXCoder: google MakerBot Cupcake
[01:43:12] <XXCoder> enleth: ok googleing
[01:43:24] <furrywolf> lol
[01:43:44] <XXCoder> enleth: lol I did consider those
[01:44:00] <furrywolf> I figure either of my mills would make a perfectly adequate 3d printer for occasional use.
[01:44:11] <enleth> malcom2073: I would feel bad selling those parts to anyone, trying to claim that they're good for anything
[01:44:18] <XXCoder> enleth: http://makerbot-blog-old.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/coral-frag-setup-650x521.jpg
[01:44:19] <furrywolf> sherline for small parts, shoptask for big parts.
[01:44:23] <XXCoder> that isnt good
[01:45:15] <Wolf_Mill> I have this thing... http://i.imgur.com/TCquUn0.jpg
[01:45:19] <enleth> XXCoder: the problem with Cupcake is that it jams up, breaks, loses calibration or goes bonkers on every other print
[01:45:52] <XXCoder> high quality. http://www.ilsussidiario.net/img/WEB2/MakerBot_375.jpg
[01:46:15] <enleth> XXCoder: don't even get me started on leveling the printhead mounting plate
[01:46:16] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[01:46:18] <furrywolf> I want to make a multi-color extruder. I have a design in my head for a CMYKWA mechamism...
[01:46:44] <furrywolf> three colors, black, white, and transparent, so it can make any color on the fly...
[01:46:44] <XXCoder> furrywolf: how would you handle the delay?
[01:46:45] <MattyMatt> + flexible+silver
[01:46:50] <Wolf_Mill> mine does ok-ish http://i.imgur.com/rZeYTyK.jpg
[01:46:56] <MattyMatt> >:)
[01:46:56] <furrywolf> XXCoder: plan ahead. :P
[01:47:00] <malcom2073> XXCoder: Any machine in the hands of an idiot will make crap
[01:47:02] <malcom2073> look at mills :)
[01:47:08] <XXCoder> malcom2073: true
[01:47:16] <enleth> Wolf_Mill: looks nice
[01:47:19] <XXCoder> but my first picture was from themselves.
[01:47:29] <XXCoder> if thats best they can with their own...
[01:47:38] <enleth> malcom2073: no, really, Cupcake is just shit, end of story.
[01:47:41] <XXCoder> not bad Wolf_Mill
[01:47:43] <malcom2073> Heh
[01:47:49] <malcom2073> That being said, there is such thing as a shit machine :P
[01:48:17] <MattyMatt> nothing duct tape can't fix
[01:48:30] <XXCoder> Wolf_Mill: considered acetone vapor to smooth? (assuming abs and not pla)
[01:48:32] <furrywolf> I also designed a variable size nozzle at one point. so many projects, so little time. heh.
[01:48:35] <MattyMatt> or a bit of sandpaper and glue, in my case
[01:48:43] <XXCoder> furrywolf: not bad
[01:48:46] <enleth> MattyMatt: I duct taped the box closed so no one would try to waste time fixing that crap. Does it count?
[01:49:05] <Wolf_Mill> messed up part is you buy a 3d printer kit, then spend the first month of using it printing upgrade parts for it...
[01:49:12] <MattyMatt> any local hackerspace that would appreciate a gift?
[01:49:14] <XXCoder> I still have set of SBR stuff from my previous cnc router plan
[01:49:17] <enleth> Not that anyone would want to, but newbies come from time to time.
[01:49:34] <furrywolf> MattyMatt: its qualifications as a "gift" are questionable.
[01:50:07] <furrywolf> enleth: do they have non-garbage extruders? I'm guessing not.
[01:50:24] <malcom2073> Yank teh steppers, power supplies, and extruder/heatbed and ship them to me :P
[01:50:27] <MattyMatt> printrbot is the new baseline I guess. people were more grateful before the consumers arrived
[01:50:27] <enleth> furrywolf: nope. And they don't fit anything else anyway.
[01:50:47] <furrywolf> I have three milling machines. I can make things fit other things. but if they're garbage, no reason to waste the time. :P
[01:50:54] <enleth> furrywolf: to install one on any other printer, you'd need to strip it down and replace the body
[01:51:12] * furrywolf also has a wide variety of sledge hammers. :P
[01:51:30] <malcom2073> Ohhh and ifit has short smooth rods, they're useful too
[01:51:35] <enleth> Oh, and the nozzles have a weird thread size that isn't used on any other common printhead.
[01:51:57] <furrywolf> I'm not interested in 3d printing enough to want to build my own extruder, so I want a complete ready-to-plug-into-stepper-drive module.
[01:52:01] <MattyMatt> what I want to make on my mill, is a paste extruder that's basically a grount gun, for doing large coarse prints in cheap grout etc
[01:52:11] <malcom2073> furrywolf: There isn't any *real* decent one
[01:52:23] <malcom2073> There are cheapchinese ones
[01:52:26] <furrywolf> it has to be made entirely of metal, using gears milled or hobbed, and not contain any 3d printing components.
[01:52:39] <malcom2073> All-metal hotends are something to stray away from
[01:52:46] <enleth> furrywolf: take a look at lulzbot.com
[01:52:50] <XXCoder> enleth: wow they tried so hard to make it worthless for everyone
[01:53:01] <XXCoder> I mean, custom extruder size? why?
[01:53:01] <enleth> furrywolf: yeah, they do make 3D printers called lulzbot
[01:53:07] <enleth> XXCoder: no idea
[01:53:11] <Wolf_Mill> huh, I'm running a all metal hot end
[01:53:20] <enleth> furrywolf: I have one and it's really OK
[01:53:34] <enleth> furrywolf: they sell extruders separately
[01:53:45] <XXCoder> enleth: just saw a printer thats almost ALL printer printed stuff
[01:53:54] <furrywolf> that name might be reason enough to stay away.
[01:54:01] <XXCoder> only wires, ball screws, motors and rest of electrics arent.
[01:54:04] <MattyMatt> lulzbot are top end
[01:54:18] <MattyMatt> good printers, plenty aluminium mister
[01:54:20] <enleth> furrywolf: don't. Those are among the best printers on the market.
[01:54:34] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Build your own, it's several months of fun!: https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10453332_892119567469092_3066870051940688719_n.jpg?oh=42dff8e44bf1c84ed4a7c6c5b0e28d27&oe=5661CE8D
[01:54:49] <enleth> furrywolf: and the support is excellent, they actually dedicate a lot of time to a problem if you report one.
[01:54:52] <furrywolf> I don't want several months of fun. :P
[01:55:07] <XXCoder> $2,200 one look cheaper than $1,200 on. weird
[01:55:17] <XXCoder> ah volume space difference
[01:55:50] <MattyMatt> don't mess about with plastic. do this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9IdZ2pI5dA
[01:56:02] <malcom2073> I *really* want one of those
[01:56:06] <enleth> XXCoder: Mini is some lasercut/water cut sheet aluminum
[01:56:09] <XXCoder> saw that MattyMatt. still very impressed
[01:56:35] <zeeshan> MAn i usually love rain
[01:56:35] <enleth> XXCoder: TAZ is made of Bosch Rexroth extruded T-slotted bars
[01:56:37] <zeeshan> but tonight i hate it
[01:56:42] <zeeshan> cause of it, we couldnt move the lathe
[01:56:48] <zeeshan> got training him, and it started raining.
[01:56:49] <zeeshan> :(
[01:56:52] <zeeshan> *got done
[01:56:53] <XXCoder> enleth: nice
[01:57:00] <malcom2073> It's raining bad here, flooding everywhere
[01:57:05] <zeeshan> where are you malcom2073
[01:57:16] <Sync> oh this POS MattyMatt, I heard that they have not sold one
[01:57:20] <XXCoder> its being too rain-free here. not good for rain jungle biome area :(
[01:57:26] <malcom2073> zeeshan: South central PA
[01:57:36] <XXCoder> Sync: why POS
[01:57:43] <zeeshan> ah youre only like 600 miles from me :P
[01:57:48] <enleth> XXCoder: a friend made one himself (there are official schematics published for TAZ and you're free to use them and source your own parts) and I was able to stand on the frame. It didn't bend or sway. I weigh 115kg.
[01:57:55] <MattyMatt> Sync maybe, but 1m people are rubbing their hands and saying Where Can I get One Of Those Lasers?
[01:57:56] <zeeshan> gimme a town
[01:58:03] <zeeshan> so i can google map the distance
[01:58:07] <malcom2073> Shrewsbury, PA
[01:58:13] <XXCoder> enleth: interesting
[01:58:13] <Sync> you can just go to coherent and buy one MattyMatt
[01:58:20] <Wolf_Mill> great that means zee is like 680miles from me...
[01:58:21] <zeeshan> damn
[01:58:23] <enleth> XXCoder: that's just Rexroth
[01:58:23] <zeeshan> its only 600 km
[01:58:25] <malcom2073> Lol
[01:58:28] <malcom2073> Wolf_Mill: He's south
[01:58:33] <malcom2073> so 520
[01:58:33] <zeeshan> thats only 375 miles away guys
[01:58:42] <enleth> XXCoder: to be exact, we used german ITEM parts, they are compatible
[01:58:43] <zeeshan> https://www.google.ca/maps/dir/Mt+Hope,+Hamilton,+ON/Shrewsbury,+PA,+USA/@41.5043174,-79.4731846,8z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x882c902dd8c6946d:0x4694566cb6c75458!2m2!1d-79.9152937!2d43.1548177!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c86488db65384d:0x2a400790eb05a321!2m2!1d-76.679693!2d39.7687139
[01:58:57] <malcom2073> Oh you're north
[01:58:59] <malcom2073> I thought you were south
[01:59:00] <XXCoder> gonna run be back
[01:59:02] <furrywolf> being able to stand on something isn't that impressive. I bet I can stand on my sherline. :P
[01:59:03] <Wolf_Mill> lol
[01:59:06] <MattyMatt> Sync, I meant for less than $100 :)
[01:59:06] <malcom2073> I forgot you were canadian
[01:59:07] <malcom2073> :P
[01:59:22] <enleth> furrywolf: can you jump off it and then pick it up with one hand?
[01:59:29] <furrywolf> yes
[01:59:40] <furrywolf> it weighs something like 20lbs. :P
[01:59:55] <enleth> Is that a rebranded C0?
[02:00:11] <zeeshan> man
[02:00:11] <furrywolf> no. Sherline is a made-in-USA product.
[02:00:15] <zeeshan> usa has a lot of interstates
[02:00:17] <furrywolf> they make all their own parts.
[02:00:33] <malcom2073> Lol yes
[02:00:33] <MattyMatt> I've seen 4W fibre lasers for $400. they might be able to do a toy version with plastic powder
[02:00:34] <malcom2073> yes it does
[02:00:41] <zeeshan> we have like 1 higway that crosses canada
[02:00:43] <MattyMatt> 7W for $400 sorry
[02:00:48] <enleth> OK, enough for now, BBL
[02:00:52] <zeeshan> but obv much more in populated areas
[02:00:52] <malcom2073> zeeshan: You also have a population of california
[02:00:54] <zeeshan> but fuck you guys have like
[02:00:57] <zeeshan> 7 or 8
[02:01:01] <zeeshan> crossing from west to east coast
[02:01:05] <furrywolf> man. canada has a lot of snow.
[02:01:07] <malcom2073> You have less than 1/10th the number of people
[02:01:30] <zeeshan> hey at least we dont have 3/10 of the pop as illegals
[02:01:31] <zeeshan> :)
[02:01:47] <furrywolf> that's because you'd have to pay people to get them to move there. :P
[02:01:49] <malcom2073> Dems voting illegals damnit
[02:02:03] <Wolf_Mill> yup =/
[02:02:05] <PetefromTn_> man I am tired
[02:02:07] <zeeshan> yea right furry
[02:02:11] <zeeshan> when we come here 16 years ago
[02:02:14] <zeeshan> came
[02:02:17] <malcom2073> I've been tempted to move to canada
[02:02:26] <zeeshan> we had to pay show we had 250k of assets
[02:02:29] <malcom2073> I'm in the tech industry, which apparently improves my chances
[02:02:31] <PetefromTn_> good lord why?
[02:02:32] <zeeshan> and would setup a viable business in canada
[02:02:45] <malcom2073> They have fairly strict visa requirements
[02:02:47] <zeeshan> cause we got in through some business visa thingama jig
[02:02:50] <malcom2073> And even stricter citizenship
[02:02:59] <zeeshan> yep
[02:03:00] <malcom2073> You have to actually be a smart productive person
[02:03:18] <zeeshan> well usa is harder to get into
[02:03:18] <MattyMatt> you need a huge cash pile to get a visa to set up a business
[02:03:30] <zeeshan> it was a tough transition man
[02:03:35] <zeeshan> my dad lost that 250k in a year
[02:03:40] <zeeshan> we were poor as hell
[02:03:49] <zeeshan> then he got his license for dental practice
[02:03:52] <zeeshan> and we all went to school
[02:03:57] <zeeshan> and made it out of poverty
[02:04:00] <zeeshan> moving countries is so hard
[02:04:18] <MattyMatt> I slung a spare pair of boot round my neck when I did it
[02:05:06] <zeeshan> you know who gets in easy?
[02:05:09] <zeeshan> if youre a refugee
[02:05:23] <zeeshan> and you wanna know who commits the highest crimes?
[02:05:26] <zeeshan> in toronto area?
[02:05:28] <zeeshan> refugees..
[02:05:48] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, your lathe came with training????
[02:05:51] <Sync> ok, so ima emigrate to syria and then seek canadian citizenship?
[02:05:51] <PetefromTn_> Canadians?
[02:05:54] <Wolf_Mill> hey zeeshan http://i.imgur.com/9HOn0vS.jpg holding tank is done :P
[02:05:55] <XXCoder> malcom2073: cananda needs machinists?
[02:06:03] <malcom2073> XXCoder: I'm not a machinist
[02:06:09] <XXCoder> oh tech
[02:06:14] * furrywolf isn't an anything
[02:06:17] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yes i promised training
[02:06:18] <PetefromTn_> hey I got one of those
[02:06:22] <malcom2073> Yeah I'm a programmer
[02:06:26] <zeeshan> cause anyone who buys linuxcnc machine would be lost
[02:06:31] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, mine didn't come with training!
[02:06:32] <zeeshan> if theyre coming from a windows world
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[02:06:45] <Tom_itx> neither did my mill..
[02:06:46] <XXCoder> malcom2073: techinically I am one too. has degrees even
[02:06:46] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: i wanted it to go to a good home
[02:06:55] <Tom_itx> damn i got screwed
[02:07:13] <Tom_itx> friggin cheapass buttons...
[02:07:13] <zeeshan> its going to a good home
[02:07:16] <zeeshan> and ive made a friend..
[02:07:29] <Tom_itx> gettin errors and find out a bad pendant button
[02:07:40] <zeeshan> he owns a really big automotive place
[02:07:46] <zeeshan> does hot rod restoration
[02:07:50] <Tom_itx> good stuff
[02:07:59] <furrywolf> did you get your new turning center yet?
[02:08:11] <Tom_itx> are you gonna get the okuma?
[02:08:17] <zeeshan> no idea yet guys
[02:08:24] <zeeshan> im looking at 3 different lathes this week after work
[02:08:26] <Tom_itx> did he get back to you?
[02:08:28] <zeeshan> will keep you posted
[02:08:34] <zeeshan> the okuma is likely a no go
[02:08:41] <Tom_itx> :(
[02:08:41] <furrywolf> you sold your only lathe without having the new one lined up? :P
[02:08:50] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i need the space man
[02:08:51] <zeeshan> i cant keep both
[02:08:52] <Sync> buy all three zeeshan
[02:08:53] <Tom_itx> seems a trend in here
[02:08:55] <malcom2073> Let's all move into zeeshan's garage
[02:09:16] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: haha
[02:09:17] <XXCoder> zeeshan: invenbt time lord "bigger inside" tech
[02:09:32] <zeeshan> pete has a lathe!
[02:10:05] <zeeshan> i also have a mitusbishi eclispe thats rotting on my driveway
[02:10:10] <zeeshan> i can hook up my 3 jaw on it
[02:10:16] <zeeshan> and machine stuff if really needed!
[02:10:27] <zeeshan> ever seen hub based lathing?
[02:10:27] <zeeshan> :P
[02:10:28] * Jymmm hands zeeshan two gallons of gasoline and a torch
[02:10:30] <malcom2073> lol
[02:10:35] * Jymmm grabs the marshmellows!
[02:10:40] <PetefromTn_> I have a lathe
[02:10:47] <PetefromTn_> it's just
[02:10:49] <PetefromTn_> sorta
[02:10:53] <PetefromTn_> non
[02:10:56] <PetefromTn_> operational
[02:10:58] <Sync> zeeshan turbo eclipse incoming?
[02:10:59] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: that tank looks awesome
[02:11:00] <PetefromTn_> now
[02:11:03] <zeeshan> looks so much better than a soda bottle
[02:11:04] <Jymmm> physical? In your head
[02:11:08] <zeeshan> that i feel bad for even comparing the two
[02:11:18] <zeeshan> is that a plastic tube as the pick up tube
[02:11:21] <PetefromTn_> thats a water filter
[02:11:29] <PetefromTn_> without the filter
[02:11:37] <zeeshan> looks huge man
[02:11:38] <Wolf_Mill> steel tube
[02:11:39] <zeeshan> i like it
[02:11:50] <Wolf_Mill> its only 10
[02:11:50] <zeeshan> Sync: no, unfortunately 2003 mitusbishi eclispe
[02:11:54] <PetefromTn_> I have the same one but mine is opaque
[02:11:58] <Wolf_Mill> its only 10inch tall
[02:11:59] <zeeshan> i turboed it etc, but removed everything after
[02:12:03] <Sync> pfft
[02:12:04] <zeeshan> its got 400000 miles on it
[02:12:12] <zeeshan> but the engine has 50k
[02:12:13] <Sync> just drop another 4g63 in it
[02:12:32] <zeeshan> Wolf_Mill: did you get the mini cool?
[02:12:35] <zeeshan> like recieve it
[02:12:43] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, eta monday
[02:13:18] <PetefromTn_> I would like to see your whole setup once you get it sorted maybe I will add that to my VMC/Lathe
[02:13:29] <Sync> or ship me the motor
[02:13:31] <furrywolf> I got a $6 pump to use for mine. :P
[02:14:05] <malcom2073> +1 to that, I like the filter container setup, get lots of pics
[02:14:38] * furrywolf plans to store coolant unpressurized
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[02:15:00] <zeeshan> furrywolf: bad idea :P
[02:15:07] <Sync> I'm looking at getting a complete sadev driveline zeeshan
[02:15:10] <zeeshan> oh nm
[02:15:16] <zeeshan> ure gonna have pump between reservoir
[02:15:25] <zeeshan> and nozle
[02:15:31] <furrywolf> yes.
[02:15:42] <Wolf_Mill> really, its stupid simple, its a $16 filter housing from amazon, without a pressure relief button, drilled and tapped the top where the button would be for 1/4 npt http://i.imgur.com/au8jYKa.jpg
[02:15:49] <zeeshan> sync i dont know what that is
[02:15:53] <malcom2073> Oh zeeshan did you see, I took out my electronics and looked at them, they look in decent condition (the servo drives)
[02:16:01] <malcom2073> All the gunk on them is dust and dirt from the fans
[02:16:13] <zeeshan> malcom2073: you need to work on that neglected machine
[02:16:16] <zeeshan> youre a mean owner
[02:16:20] <zeeshan> shes begging for attention
[02:16:21] <malcom2073> zeeshan: I've been slowly working on it
[02:16:31] <zeeshan> give it a new home
[02:16:34] <malcom2073> Got most of the rust off it
[02:16:36] <zeeshan> and it will give you joy in return :P
[02:16:40] <malcom2073> Hah
[02:16:44] <malcom2073> You want it?
[02:16:49] <zeeshan> yes
[02:16:51] <zeeshan> no space though
[02:16:52] <zeeshan> :P
[02:16:57] <malcom2073> Why? It's a knee mill, it's not a VMC
[02:17:06] <zeeshan> ill say it once
[02:17:12] <zeeshan> it saddens me to even compare it
[02:17:17] <furrywolf> Wolf_Mill: the even stupider simpler design is just to put a compression fitting in the outlet port, with a long tube going back down into the housing. no drilling and tapping needed. :P
[02:17:18] <zeeshan> but its 10 notches above a tormach
[02:17:28] <zeeshan> =]
[02:17:31] <malcom2073> What kind of machine do you have?
[02:17:35] <malcom2073> I thought you had a decent knee mill?
[02:17:42] <zeeshan> i dont have a knee mill
[02:17:46] <zeeshan> its considered a tool room mill
[02:17:49] <malcom2073> Oh
[02:17:57] <malcom2073> It looked larger
[02:18:01] <Wolf_Mill> furrywolf: you need 2 ports on the outlet side, air and liquid
[02:18:11] <zeeshan> http://turbozee84.altervista.org/machines/cnc_mill/mikron_wf21c.jpg
[02:18:12] <zeeshan> old pic
[02:18:15] <zeeshan> its large!
[02:18:18] <zeeshan> around 6000lb
[02:18:19] <furrywolf> air on the output side is the same as air on the input side. :P
[02:18:21] <Sync> http://www.sadev-tm.com/en/gearboxes-and-differentials/4wdt zis zeeshan
[02:18:23] <malcom2073> Ah I guess it is kinda small
[02:18:33] <malcom2073> Well once I get it running on servos I'll sell it to ya :P
[02:18:39] <zeeshan> how dare you call it small
[02:18:42] <zeeshan> my e dick got hurt
[02:18:52] <malcom2073> Lol
[02:18:57] <Sync> ze french transmissiones and differentiales
[02:19:09] <zeeshan> sync what would you do with that
[02:19:12] <zeeshan> looks very expensive
[02:19:15] <zeeshan> and properly engineered
[02:19:25] <Sync> drop it in my colt
[02:19:34] <zeeshan> oh noessssssssss
[02:19:38] <zeeshan> we are mitus buddies!
[02:19:46] <zeeshan> do you have a 4g63 in there?
[02:20:00] <Sync> nope
[02:20:07] <Sync> currently a 4g93DOHC
[02:20:16] <zeeshan> whcih year
[02:20:19] <Sync> 92
[02:20:36] <Sync> but I have a 4g63 oxidizing away in the shop
[02:20:37] <zeeshan> coupe or hatch
[02:20:45] <PetefromTn_> my brother in laws son has a pretty badass mistu with a 4G63 in it
[02:20:51] <Sync> there was no 92 hatch
[02:20:54] <zeeshan> ah
[02:20:59] <Sync> or rathe the colt never came as hatch
[02:21:07] <zeeshan> hm i wonder what car im confusing it with.
[02:21:11] * zeeshan googles
[02:21:19] <PetefromTn_> it didn't?
[02:21:25] <Sync> there was the doge colt in the US
[02:21:36] <Sync> or maybe I'm confusing hatchback with coupe
[02:21:53] <zeeshan> no im wrong
[02:21:56] <PetefromTn_> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Dodge-Colt-hatchback.jpg
[02:21:57] <zeeshan> im confusing it with a mirage.
[02:22:16] <zeeshan> they look very similar :P
[02:22:22] <Sync> kinda
[02:22:25] <furrywolf> all vehicles I never want to own. :P
[02:22:34] <Sync> it is fun
[02:22:39] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you should sell your kidneys to subaru
[02:22:41] <zeeshan> you fan boi!!
[02:22:51] <Sync> got the evo 6 rs rack in
[02:22:52] <XXCoder> ELIO!
[02:22:58] <Sync> dem 2.2 turns ratio
[02:22:58] <PetefromTn_> http://carpron.com/multisite/d/65384-1/Turbo+Colt.jpg
[02:23:06] <XXCoder> too bad I wont have it till in least 2017 after all $1000 reservers
[02:23:08] <zeeshan> oo that looks cool
[02:23:29] <zeeshan> Sync: i like that about mitusbishis in general
[02:23:33] <zeeshan> its very easy to swap parts between cars
[02:23:38] <Sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwabyPcvACc you know that CJ colt zeeshan?
[02:23:41] <zeeshan> cause they tried to make everything modular
[02:23:55] <zeeshan> no
[02:24:08] <zeeshan> Sync: you might appreciate this
[02:24:15] <zeeshan> i had a 4g64 block with a 4g63t evo8 head
[02:24:18] <zeeshan> lemme see if i can find a pic
[02:24:24] <PetefromTn_> https://fbstatic-a.akamaihd.net/rsrc.php/v2/y4/r/-PAXP-deijE.gif that is his Talon
[02:24:56] <Sync> his colt is pretty insane
[02:25:06] <Sync> but it sure is fun to drive
[02:25:10] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/2qsute9.jpg
[02:25:16] <zeeshan> sorry for the photobucket link, very old album
[02:25:20] <zeeshan> this motor was a beasttttttt
[02:25:30] <zeeshan> i had a gt35r bolted to it
[02:25:37] <zeeshan> but as you know
[02:25:48] <zeeshan> mitsubishi transmissions are just a fuse ready to blow.
[02:25:59] <zeeshan> (which is why i see youre looking at a diff 4wd system))
[02:26:09] <Jymmm> furrywolf: http://www.fire.ca.gov/communications/communications_ifyouflywecant.php
[02:26:10] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/0fRRInB.jpg
[02:26:14] <Sync> actually the guy runs a stock trans in that thing
[02:26:22] <zeeshan> Sync: for how long :)
[02:26:27] <furrywolf> I wish google maps would show roads in some color scheme other than grey on tan.
[02:26:27] <Sync> although from 3rd up it is straight gears EDM'd
[02:27:06] <Sync> and he has issues with the indicators popping out at 300kmh+
[02:27:41] <zeeshan> they usually blow right offf the line
[02:27:48] <zeeshan> or in between a shift from 1-2 or 2-3
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[02:28:08] <Sync> that car is not made for standstill accel
[02:28:28] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: that is a monster turbo
[02:28:42] <zeeshan> yiou know your turbo is big
[02:28:46] <zeeshan> when you need additional support for it
[02:28:48] <zeeshan> other than the exhaust manifold
[02:29:47] <furrywolf> I've never wanted a turbo. maybe a supercharger, but not a turbo.
[02:29:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know right
[02:29:57] <furrywolf> something that only works at high rpm is pretty useless.
[02:29:58] <zeeshan> furrywolf: and thats why we never wanted you
[02:29:59] <zeeshan> :P
[02:30:04] <zeeshan> whats high rpm?
[02:30:10] <PetefromTn_> turbo FTW!
[02:30:11] <zeeshan> what kind of silly comment is that
[02:30:12] <zeeshan> coming out of you
[02:30:17] <zeeshan> ill let this one slide
[02:30:24] <Sync> but yeah the sadev setup is nice
[02:30:29] <zeeshan> Sync: how much?
[02:30:32] <zeeshan> looks like 10k+
[02:30:37] <Sync> 14k for the front box
[02:30:37] <furrywolf> I like low-end torque. :P
[02:30:39] <Sync> 7k for the diff
[02:30:39] <zeeshan> jesus
[02:30:42] <zeeshan> im way off
[02:30:49] <zeeshan> furrywolf: ever sat in a v8 with twin turbos?
[02:30:53] <Sync> + bellhousing
[02:30:58] <zeeshan> i can guaranteee 600ft-lb at 2000 rpm
[02:31:02] <zeeshan> all the way to redline
[02:31:11] <furrywolf> driving my new subaru the other day was so nice... crawling up a steep road at 1500rpm in 3rd gear... :P
[02:31:21] <zeeshan> Sync: too much $
[02:31:24] <zeeshan> you must be rich :P
[02:31:26] <zeeshan> i envy you
[02:31:35] <furrywolf> torque++
[02:31:55] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i could tow my subaru up a 60 degree incline
[02:32:10] <zeeshan> doing 0-60mph in 6 seconds
[02:32:13] <zeeshan> :P
[02:32:19] <Sync> zeeshan: gotta pay to play :/
[02:32:22] * zeeshan is just trolling now and talking out of his butt
[02:32:26] <furrywolf> new motors all seem to be about revs, with no low-end torque.
[02:32:35] <Sync> that is incorrect furrywolf
[02:32:40] <Wolf_Mill> my truck has the low end torque covered
[02:32:44] <Sync> all downsizing motors are about torque
[02:32:46] <Wolf_Mill> and has a turbo
[02:32:54] <zeeshan> furrywolf: youre thinking of gas efficient cars
[02:33:04] <zeeshan> most v8s make unnecessary torque
[02:33:14] <zeeshan> that ideally ican only be seeing used for towing
[02:33:18] <Sync> as the turbos are small enough to loose flow at high rpm
[02:33:22] <Wolf_Mill> hell, my car has torque plenty
[02:33:27] <furrywolf> my subaru ea81 has a torque curve that's flat all the way down to idle. peak torque is 1800rpm. it's so much nicer to drive. :)
[02:33:35] <roycroft> i drive a diesel car
[02:33:38] <roycroft> because
[02:33:38] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you cant say that
[02:33:41] <zeeshan> till youve driven a v8 tt
[02:33:42] <roycroft> well, you all know why
[02:33:45] <zeeshan> i drive both! :P
[02:33:45] <PetefromTn_> well I took back my waranteed brake pads and got some brand new headlights for the wife's SUV I gotta install now SIGH
[02:33:51] <roycroft> and it has a turbocharger
[02:33:57] <Sync> also the limiter is there to be used
[02:34:15] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: like the bulbs?
[02:34:17] <zeeshan> or the housing
[02:34:33] <furrywolf> my new-engined subaru's peak torque is 4500 or something stupid. it's not nearly as nice to drive. it has almost twice the horses... they're just in the wrong spot!
[02:34:56] <roycroft> i think my car's peak torque is like 900rpm or so
[02:35:03] <PetefromTn_> just the bulbs
[02:35:12] <furrywolf> roycroft: as soon as the subaru diesel is affordably available, I plan on getting one.
[02:35:24] <furrywolf> 280ftlbs. :)
[02:35:28] <PetefromTn_> SHIT my Astro van will smoke all of your asses ;)
[02:35:43] <Wolf_Mill> 236 lb-ft @ 1750 rpm on my car
[02:35:49] <furrywolf> I don't remember the specs for my truck, but redline is 4000. :)
[02:35:59] <Sync> although I'm not really after more power, 150hp from the 4g93 is plenty zeeshan
[02:36:06] <Sync> but I need AWD badly
[02:36:18] <PetefromTn_> TALON
[02:36:23] <furrywolf> I don't have AWD... I have 4WD. with low range.
[02:36:31] <Sync> not sold here PetefromTn_
[02:36:37] <PetefromTn_> gasp
[02:36:37] <furrywolf> I was thinking the other day on how to fit a crawler box to a subaru trans, and I figured out how.
[02:36:42] <furrywolf> I'll need to do that someday.
[02:37:43] <furrywolf> yes, without moving the engine or cv stubs. :)
[02:37:43] <PetefromTn_> I was thinking I might enjoy a Miata with a 13b big single setup
[02:37:53] <furrywolf> I can't do it until I have the capability of machining splined shaft adapters and properly heat treating them. I lack both the tools and skills for this.
[02:38:55] <Tom_itx> what generally causes following errors?
[02:39:44] <furrywolf> poor tuning, exceeding machine's capabilities, sticky ways/bearings/etc, marginal encoders, marginal cabling,...
[02:40:52] <furrywolf> I had to think hard on how to fit a crawler box to a subaru trans without moving the engine forwards or moving the trans back...
[02:41:37] <furrywolf> since the front shafts connect to the trans directly, you can't move it backwards, and the back output is only for the rear axle.
[02:43:17] <Tom_itx> maybe my rapids are too fast with the new TP settings?
[02:43:30] <Tom_itx> dunno if that affects that or not
[02:44:00] <Sync> zeeshan: do you know if 4g3x engine gearboxes will fit 4g9x stuff?
[02:45:32] <Wolf_Mill> crawler box in a sub? dont they move slow enough as it is?
[02:47:27] <furrywolf> Wolf_Mill: low range is 1.7:1, and there's not many differential gear options. 3.9 is standard, 3.7 is worse, and 4.1 is hard to get and not much better. they do have a nice low 1st gear, but the crawl ratio is still not great.
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[02:50:02] <furrywolf> it's better than any other modern stock vehicle, but it's worse than a built crawler. :)
[02:50:16] <furrywolf> (excepting unimogs, but they don't really count as road vehicles)
[02:50:48] <Wolf_Mill> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/wolf.solutions/Pics/X-Swap/atlas/Atlas2.jpg crawler box IMO
[02:51:10] <furrywolf> yes
[02:51:19] <furrywolf> now try fitting one to a subaru. it's hard!
[02:51:29] * furrywolf has figured out how
[02:51:51] <furrywolf> and, no, I don't mean the nissan/sammy t-case trick. that requires too much lift.
[02:51:52] <Wolf_Mill> thats the atlas 3.8:1 box thats in my rock rig
[02:51:53] <XXCoder> I have seen ricious stuff
[02:52:00] <XXCoder> like fitting v6 in vw beetle
[02:52:06] <XXCoder> and still keeping orginial stock engine
[02:54:24] <furrywolf> if I do an engine swap on my truck, I'll go with dual t-cases.
[02:55:16] <Sync> hmm, it seems to fit although I don't know about the subframe :/
[02:55:43] <furrywolf> also, you can afford an atlas? those are stupidly expensive.
[02:56:09] <Wolf_Mill> that was in '05
[02:57:04] <furrywolf> s/can/could
[02:57:08] <XXCoder> whoa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2my4RMJZWM
[02:57:58] <Wolf_Mill> check that, was in 2002, total cost shipped was $2345
[02:59:06] <furrywolf> as I said, stupidly expensive.
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[02:59:48] <Wolf_Mill> depends on what you are comparing the cost to...
[03:00:02] <furrywolf> more than the purchase cost of any of my vehicles? :P
[03:00:16] <Wolf_Mill> yeah then its a lot lol
[03:00:31] <XXCoder> worse would be all at once lol
[03:01:26] <Wolf_Mill> total I think I put $5k in to the total driveline swap on that truck, counting the motor/trans/tcase
[03:02:03] <Wolf_Mill> might have been $6k
[03:02:32] <furrywolf> yeah, that's a lot more money than I've spent on projects or hobbies, total, ever...
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[03:03:16] <Wolf_Mill> dont want to see the price tag on my work truck then...
[03:05:45] * furrywolf concludes wolf is very wealthy
[03:05:54] <Wolf_Mill> I still have the truck w/ the v8 + atlas II in it sitting behind my shop, I'll probably pull the drive line next summer and drop it all in to my '69 bronco rust bucket project
[03:05:59] <Sync> depends on your definition of wealthy
[03:06:57] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, wouldnt say wealthy lol, just have some really big montly bills lol
[03:08:41] <Wolf_Mill> helps that the truck made $30k in one winter
[03:08:58] * furrywolf would call being able to spend 6k on a vehicle toy to be wealthy
[03:09:21] <furrywolf> 6k is more than a third of my annual income. disposable is much, much less....
[03:09:22] <Wolf_Mill> help more if the fucking county would ever pay the $20k thats still outstanding
[03:10:46] <Wolf_Mill> when I did that motor/trans/tcase swap, that truck was still my daily driver...
[03:13:18] <Tom_itx> would following errors have more to do with max_velocity settings or max_acceleration?
[03:13:38] <furrywolf> either
[03:13:58] <Tom_itx> that's not the answer i was looking for :)
[03:21:28] <XXCoder> furrywolf: it apparently made Wolf_Mill 30k in winter. not a toy apparently
[03:21:45] <XXCoder> but yeah many truck owners dont use trucks for... truck stuff like hauling
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[03:24:53] <Wolf_Mill> the atlas and other stuff that was around $5-6k went in to a '93 explorer that was my daily driver for almost 10 years
[03:26:24] <Wolf_Mill> my work truck is a 2012 F550, first car that I have ever bought new
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[03:27:12] <XXCoder> curious of CMM can be used with my cnc router
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[03:28:33] <XXCoder> example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcVv1So1n_8
[03:28:45] <Sync> why not
[03:28:56] <Sync> accuracy is going to suck tho
[03:30:31] <XXCoder> jeez freecad crashed when I tried to delete one item
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[03:33:42] <XXCoder> woot
[03:33:49] <XXCoder> freecad has boolean ops
[03:33:51] <XXCoder> missed that
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[03:34:59] <furrywolf> I couldn't make freecad work.
[03:35:19] <XXCoder> freecad sucked worse on windows but on linux it seems ... well okay-ish
[03:35:41] <furrywolf> every time I got a part to a non-trivial stage it'd fail in some fashion. either outright crashing, or various menus not working, or rendering would break, etc.
[03:36:15] <XXCoder> just made pretty cool object by cube and sphere lol
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[03:39:26] <XXCoder> do you know how to move center point of object?
[03:39:38] <XXCoder> for example I want cube to rotate from exact center not corner
[03:39:53] <furrywolf> no
[03:40:01] <furrywolf> I poked at it a while ago, and I have a bad memory. heh.
[03:48:05] <XXCoder> ok
[03:50:33] <Tom_itx> circumscribe a circle
[03:50:48] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5216022869.html extra 0 much? lol
[03:51:17] <XXCoder> furrywolf: extra zero makes man go stiff. good for wife? lol
[03:51:32] <furrywolf> ?
[03:52:39] <XXCoder> bad joke
[03:53:23] <zeeshan> sync i think they do
[03:53:33] <zeeshan> but i only have experience with 4g6x motors..
[03:53:57] <zeeshan> ive only done a turbo kit for a 4g69
[04:00:06] <Wolf_Mill> dammit I hate single point threadinbg
[04:00:48] <XXCoder> furrywolf: honestly no matter how rare it is, if its expensive for what i want to do, I'm not buying
[04:00:54] * XXCoder is not a tool collector.
[04:00:57] <zeeshan> why wolf
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[04:01:27] <rootB> hey linuxCNC
[04:01:38] <XXCoder> hey root
[04:01:38] <rootB> anyone here operates or owns a laser cutter?
[04:01:42] <rootB> Im interested in them recently
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[04:02:58] <Praesmeodymium> I have a china blue box
[04:03:06] <Praesmeodymium> not recommended
[04:03:12] <rootB> Yeah, a lot of people dont recommend it.
[04:03:22] <rootB> I"ve been told to build a buildlog or lasersaur laser cutter
[04:03:45] <XXCoder> rootB: if you own a cnc router you could use laser head on it
[04:04:04] <rootB> im mostly interested in having a dedicated one
[04:04:07] <XXCoder> though there is large safety issues and you need to put something under par to take burns so surface dont get burnt
[04:04:11] <rootB> like the chinese blue box, just less chinese..
[04:04:20] <rootB> yeah that also.
[04:05:04] <Wolf_Mill> ok, maybe its not the threading but this POS lathe
[04:05:28] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[04:06:03] <rootB> So i guess im out of luck unless i buld mine right?
[04:06:07] <Praesmeodymium> I used to know a guy whose job it is to get the 3040 or 6040 lasers from china and replace a few parts tyo make it a decent machine and then they resell em. the controller and psu for sure, a new set of mirrors and a lens, and possibly the motors get replaced
[04:06:29] <furrywolf> not much left, then.
[04:06:41] <Praesmeodymium> a frame and a tube your gonna replace
[04:06:57] <XXCoder> yeah, basically frame box and vacuum system if any
[04:07:04] <XXCoder> box rather
[04:07:47] <rootB> so he kept the Praesmeodymium frame and that's it?
[04:08:08] <Praesmeodymium> frame, the mounts, the motion
[04:08:10] <Wolf_Mill> and I just fucked up the ball screw I was trying to thread... *(#*(U#$u8934
[04:08:28] <rootB> they use an epilog one in my workplace
[04:11:53] <rootB> making a laser cutter looks quite complex IMO
[04:12:19] <XXCoder> basically all you need is x, y, and small z to focus
[04:12:34] <XXCoder> unfortunately lot of risks related to laser itself
[04:12:35] <t12> so much tooling to buy
[04:12:41] <rootB> that's what i mean...
[04:12:44] <rootB> the risks related to the laser.
[04:13:14] <Praesmeodymium> high voltage, instant blindness, burns
[04:13:27] <XXCoder> laser googles
[04:13:39] <rootB> im mostly worried about the high voltage
[04:13:45] <XXCoder> for burns better to surround device
[04:14:06] <XXCoder> rootB: company?
[04:14:16] <XXCoder> if so, better go bit higher level than chinese boxes
[04:14:20] <XXCoder> and pay for it
[04:14:33] <rootB> what if..
[04:14:38] <rootB> I get one of these
[04:14:38] <XXCoder> whats you wanna do with lasers anyway
[04:14:39] <rootB> http://fslaser.com/Products/View/0
[04:14:48] <rootB> A lot of kids from college want to get laser shit cut.
[04:14:58] <rootB> and I've made several PCb's with laser too
[04:15:07] <XXCoder> pcbs can be milled
[04:15:30] <XXCoder> 3.5k
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[04:15:48] <rootB> Im also thinking on making a fablab on a small garage my parents own
[04:17:27] <XXCoder> well chinese box may be fine if youre willing to fix some problems that WILL appear
[04:17:46] <rootB> I've heard that the chinese box you gotta replace all the electronics inside.
[04:17:58] <XXCoder> hvent bought one so dunno
[04:18:13] <rootB> Praesmeodymium would know
[04:18:20] <XXCoder> http://www.synthfool.com/laser/
[04:18:51] <Praesmeodymium> well mine its really a good idea if you want to use it... the controller card is closed source enough you only gt to use 1 or 2 programs
[04:19:03] <Praesmeodymium> I mean the laser has a usb security dongle
[04:19:17] <Praesmeodymium> plug it into the computer to make the laser run....
[04:21:07] <rootB> oh fuck
[04:21:44] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: that site menions it
[04:21:46] <XXCoder> crazy
[04:22:11] <Praesmeodymium> oh yeah and the card is limiting the motors to 12mms so its hard to not cut with it lol
[04:22:29] <Praesmeodymium> opposite of his problem after the new electronics
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[04:23:34] <rootB> jesus
[04:23:36] <rootB> christ
[04:23:41] <rootB> this things a fucking fire hazard
[04:23:47] <Wolf_Mill> crap, I think this ball screw is still hardened even after grinding 2mm off the radius
[04:24:01] <XXCoder> rootB: laser = hazard
[04:24:07] <XXCoder> rootB: you have to manage it and all
[04:24:12] <rootB> no i mean
[04:24:18] <rootB> the wires and untight screws
[04:24:25] <XXCoder> oh yeah like I saif
[04:24:34] <XXCoder> you have to rebuild it basically
[04:24:39] <XXCoder> assuming tube is intact
[04:24:51] <XXCoder> probably replace its sucky controller board
[04:24:55] <Praesmeodymium> and those have no saefty features you should have in a sane machine
[04:25:04] <Praesmeodymium> lid interlock, water flow meter etc
[04:25:32] <rootB> fuck those 3000 dollars for the ful spectrum dont look bad at all now..
[04:26:05] <XXCoder> rootB: though theres cheap ones at aliexpress
[04:26:14] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/500mW-Desktop-DIY-Violet-Laser-Engraving-Machine-Picture-CNC-Printer/32362123797.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.11.FijJRM&ws_ab_test=201407_5,201444_6,201409_5
[04:26:23] <XXCoder> 247 bucks, but quite small
[04:26:34] <XXCoder> you have to build laser enclosure
[04:26:35] <rootB> they seem weaker than the
[04:26:38] <rootB> CO2 tubeo ne
[04:26:53] <XXCoder> well better for students I'd think
[04:27:20] <rootB> there's this guy I know
[04:27:28] <rootB> That built one on the US
[04:27:36] <rootB> thought the shipping will prob be like 200 dollars..
[04:27:39] <rootB> I'd prob need to talk to him
[04:28:07] <XXCoder> whats size you need
[04:28:14] <rootB> wouldn't it be USB limit me to certain programs since i wont be able to use a parallel port
[04:28:31] <rootB> http://fslaser.com/Products/View/0
[04:28:33] <rootB> this one's perfect
[04:29:17] <XXCoder> though its easy to just replace board with cheap one
[04:29:22] <XXCoder> that would be serial
[04:29:28] * Wolf_Mill thinks about throwing a lathe across the room
[04:29:31] <rootB> in thism achine?
[04:29:42] <XXCoder> building one is best for cheapness vs what you want
[04:29:56] <XXCoder> just build enclosure with windows that block laser
[04:30:05] <rootB> True
[04:30:23] <XXCoder> luckly laser do NOT need powerful motors
[04:30:28] <XXCoder> its not like milling
[04:30:54] <XXCoder> not even $200 lol http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-500mw-Large-Area-Mini-DIY-Laser-Engraving-Engraver/32456643169.html?s=p
[04:31:00] <XXCoder> TINY work space though
[04:31:18] <rootB> i'd talk to my friend
[04:31:24] <XXCoder> 210mm * 170mm
[04:31:27] <rootB> see how much he'll charge me and if he can
[04:31:58] <Praesmeodymium> acrylic even clear is great at blocking co2 frequency lasers. the spot when its burning wood still needs a proper welding shield to stare at
[04:32:17] <rootB> I'm a EE, but building it myself and owrking with HV spooks me
[04:32:58] <Wolf_Mill> just dont touch the HV when its powered
[04:33:13] <XXCoder> even better? build enclosure
[04:33:24] <XXCoder> rootB: I assunme you has cnc mill or router?
[04:33:51] <rootB> Yes
[04:33:55] <rootB> A router
[04:34:01] <rootB> Modified shapeoko 2
[04:34:04] <XXCoder> making enclosure is easy then
[04:35:39] <rootB> I'm all ok with working with mills and so but lasers.. they scare me.
[04:36:19] <XXCoder> the laser http://www.aliexpress.com/item/laser-pointers-for-guns-for-laser-engraving-machine-for-red-pointer-5v/2002549364.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.26.CNdc7x&ws_ab_test=201407_5,201444_6,201409_5
[04:36:32] <rootB> haha come on
[04:36:37] <XXCoder> it says its co2 type. bullsjhit
[04:37:05] <Praesmeodymium> thats the spot laser for seeing where its gonna start burning
[04:37:27] <Praesmeodymium> or thats what they use red lasers in co2 machines for
[04:37:56] <Praesmeodymium> oh missed the first link nvm
[04:38:18] <rootB> im gonna think about ita
[04:38:20] <rootB> and consult people
[04:38:28] <rootB> but thanks linuxcnc i wont burn down my house buying a blue box
[04:39:05] <XXCoder> lol http://www.aliexpress.com/item/250-mw-high-power-laser-laser-engraving-cigarette-point-matches-special-offer-to-send-special-red/32327836890.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.219.mHZ6gK&ws_ab_test=201407_5,201444_6,201409_5
[04:39:13] <XXCoder> gonna love chinenglish
[04:40:04] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: 250mw enough to do anything? I dont think so I guess lol
[04:40:44] <Praesmeodymium> cut foam
[04:40:56] <Praesmeodymium> also very much depends on material and frequency
[04:40:56] <XXCoder> 500?
[04:41:53] <XXCoder> rootB: yeah need research before doing anything
[04:42:25] <XXCoder> found 1000mw
[04:43:23] <Praesmeodymium> XXCoder: like what are you thinking for cutting? I mean 500 should cut paper and other super thin wood products, at nearly any frequency, but like near uv might be able to etch metal red never would at that power, partial because of spot size, and partially reflectivity of frequencies
[04:43:50] <XXCoder> not really planning anything just mainly curious
[04:44:01] <XXCoder> just found strange oibe
[04:44:03] <XXCoder> *one
[04:44:09] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/110V-220V-20W-1064nm-Fiber-Small-Size-for-Metal-Cutting-Engraving-Marking-Machine/32362721514.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.237.L9RlB9&ws_ab_test=201407_5,201444_6,201409_5
[04:44:19] <Praesmeodymium> and the focusing lenses eat a bit of power
[04:44:44] <Praesmeodymium> ah yeah fiber markers get use for a lot of stuff
[04:44:59] <XXCoder> how do it do it?>
[04:45:11] <XXCoder> I dont see muchn axles besides z
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[04:46:16] <Praesmeodymium> ftheta lens in the head means its gonno have a galvo system or something right in front
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[04:49:31] <Praesmeodymium> that lense is probably a significant protion of the cost thinking about it a visible spectrum f-theta is like 600$ one for that frequency that isnt going to break down under use has to be a cost
[04:49:54] <XXCoder> LOL http://www.synthfool.com/laser/expect_me_to_talk.mp4
[04:50:18] <Praesmeodymium> no mr bond I expect you ti die
[04:50:25] <XXCoder> indeed
[04:51:09] <XXCoder> oh that site author? he died in 2014. too bad
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[05:56:38] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/tb995kwvxi1arwl/AAA2m5uXROUtSgk9VZ8ulfFca
[05:56:44] <t12> def think feedrod is bent :(
[06:02:02] <XXCoder> ow
[06:02:11] <XXCoder> so it moves in and out as it cuts?
[06:06:45] <t12> yeah
[06:06:55] <t12> i think it lifts the carriage slightly (or something)
[06:07:10] <t12> i guess i can just pull the feedrod off and measure/straighten/replace
[06:07:24] <t12> the dips are maybe .0005"
[06:09:10] <XXCoder> not too bad but still huge compared to normal lathe specs.
[06:09:24] <XXCoder> I notice lathe tend to be more precise on milling
[06:09:28] <XXCoder> *than
[06:10:04] <t12> ya
[06:10:10] <t12> i think this is rougly what i epxected from cheapo lathe
[06:10:13] <t12> but want to see how good i can get it
[06:10:20] <t12> masochism
[06:10:33] <t12> builds character! or something
[06:12:25] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:12:37] <XXCoder> get to atomic precision or you suck!!!
[06:12:39] <XXCoder> lol
[06:14:01] <t12> cut to 40 page practicalmachinst thread
[06:14:05] <t12> of metrology dick waving
[06:14:15] <t12> they're pretty good threads tho
[06:15:16] <XXCoder> cool
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[06:17:40] <t12> even though its a bit rough my nights mission of some fit parts as worry beads is complete
[06:18:03] <XXCoder> cool
[06:18:12] <XXCoder> I need to get my machine working bleh
[06:20:45] <t12> leaded steel sure is pleasant to machine
[06:21:05] <XXCoder> leaded steel?
[06:23:17] <archivist> free machining
[06:25:21] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:26:49] <archivist> much easier to use than normal cheap mild steel
[06:28:51] <XXCoder> doubt I will ever mill steel of any kind
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[07:00:33] <Deejay> moin
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[07:11:03] <XXCoder> lol
[07:11:07] <XXCoder> found 4000 farad cao
[07:11:09] <XXCoder> cap
[07:11:19] <XXCoder> wonder how long it could run flashlight
[07:12:13] <Deejay> hi XXCoder
[07:12:25] <XXCoder> hey
[07:12:40] <Deejay> must be a bigger cap
[07:13:21] <XXCoder> 150 farad is around 35 minutes
[07:13:30] <XXCoder> I dont know if it scales up linearly
[07:13:47] <Deejay> it should
[07:13:58] <XXCoder> 15.6 hours approx
[07:14:03] <Deejay> hrhr
[07:14:09] <XXCoder> that is long time.
[07:14:31] <Deejay> whats the weight of this cap?
[07:15:15] <XXCoder> http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Capacitors/_/N-5g7r?P=1yuenk0Z1yuep2bZ1yuep2yZ1yuendyZ1yuep2xZ1yuep2nZ1yueravZ1yueofyZ1yuep2vZ1yueiftZ1yuep2iZ1yxcbkm&Ns=Capacitance|1
[07:15:18] <XXCoder> not sure yet
[07:15:45] <Deejay> hmm, only 2.5 volts
[07:16:02] <XXCoder> yeah 2.5v led. not very bright
[07:16:20] <Deejay> in the datasheet, there is also 6000 farads
[07:16:31] <Deejay> 4000: 800g
[07:16:35] <Deejay> 6000: 1300g
[07:16:44] <XXCoder> largest in terms of vdc is 25v
[07:16:51] <Praesmeodymium> amazing I woulda thought that was near car battery sizes
[07:17:01] <XXCoder> it says 1.05 pF though lol
[07:17:21] <Deejay> yeah, need to put some of them in series to reach higher voltages
[07:17:32] <XXCoder> 2.7v is most common apparently
[07:18:11] <XXCoder> 80-S301RV308R2R7W is interesting
[07:18:15] <XXCoder> tolence is -0%
[07:18:21] <XXCoder> meaning it has 3000F as minium
[07:18:32] <XXCoder> $85 lol
[07:18:41] <Deejay> Praesmeodymium, i think car batteries are bigger because they are built to deliver high currents
[07:18:57] <Praesmeodymium> totally differnt storage system
[07:18:58] <XXCoder> Deejay: someone made capactor battery for car
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[07:18:59] <XXCoder> works fine
[07:19:06] <Deejay> hehe yeah
[07:19:16] <XXCoder> it was much smaller and lighter
[07:19:21] <Deejay> nice idea for starting help
[07:19:25] <Deejay> if your car battery is low
[07:19:34] <Deejay> quick charge at mains, carry to car, start...
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[07:20:20] <XXCoder> that 3000f cap is 60.7mm diameter length of 144
[07:20:22] <XXCoder> mm
[07:20:39] <Deejay> perhaps the self discharge is too high for car battery?
[07:20:42] <XXCoder> thats 5.7 inches roughly
[07:20:55] <XXCoder> Deejay: guy who did it says it goes flat in month
[07:21:00] <Deejay> if you can't start after the car was not used for some days, its not nice
[07:21:05] <XXCoder> which is quite short for car battery but if everyday its fine
[07:21:12] <Deejay> oh, a month is okay
[07:21:24] <XXCoder> cold its quite a lot shorter if I recall. a week?
[07:21:33] <Deejay> hm okay
[07:21:51] <Deejay> a week would be to less for me
[07:21:54] <XXCoder> 2.36 inch diameter lol
[07:22:28] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3x_kYq3mHM
[07:23:03] <Deejay> oh, 350 farads each
[07:23:21] <XXCoder> yeah and we have monster farad now
[07:23:24] <Deejay> :D
[07:23:51] <XXCoder> it would be expensive
[07:23:59] <XXCoder> 6x 3000 farads
[07:24:03] <XXCoder> but ya know
[07:24:07] <XXCoder> battery wear out
[07:24:27] <Deejay> yeah, battery is done after a few years
[07:24:32] <XXCoder> and this cap battery you could will it to your childreb
[07:24:34] <Deejay> caps shouldn't be
[07:24:39] <XXCoder> and your children down
[07:24:45] <Deejay> :)
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[07:27:03] <XXCoder> honestly I would build waterproof case of it
[07:27:09] <XXCoder> call them caps going off.. lol
[07:31:36] <XXCoder> the small version lasted few days of chanking and starting
[07:31:41] <XXCoder> and no alt feeding it at all
[07:36:01] <XXCoder> yeah it does seem to charge off solar
[07:36:27] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUXM1XuLUIs
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[07:38:29] <XXCoder> ebay has bunch of cap batteries Deejay
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[07:52:17] <XXCoder> "As I've just learned, capacitors don't behave the same way as batteries when placed in series. 6x 3000F capacitors in series has only 500F capacity at ~14V."
[07:52:19] <XXCoder> interesting
[07:52:39] <XXCoder> too bad theres no specifically 14v capactor
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[08:24:48] <archivist> 16v is the standard
[08:25:06] <XXCoder> whats largest cap for 16v
[08:25:26] <archivist> too lazy too google
[08:25:44] <XXCoder> use yahoo then ;) if google is too.. google. lol
[08:25:46] <XXCoder> jk
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[08:28:12] <XXCoder> 50F so far
[08:28:27] <XXCoder> 58f
[08:30:28] <Loetmichel> ic*meh* i think i need a new HDD for this machine... "uiiiit.click.uiiiit.click.uiiiit.click.uiiiit.click.uiiiit.click." *BSOD 00007a* and thats not the first time. but SMART says the disk is fine? 0 realloated sectors, no read errors, no pending, nothing... ?!?
[08:31:17] <XXCoder> weird
[08:32:33] <XXCoder> my pc hard drive is failing already
[08:32:36] <XXCoder> seek error
[08:33:53] * Loetmichel thinks its the HDDs power connector. had one break a few years ago... some are very thin metal. a few times plugged in an they break.
[08:35:18] <XXCoder> sucks
[08:35:57] <Loetmichel> because reaching intothe PC and juggling the HDDs power connector usually "cures" that clicking for a while
[08:36:28] <XXCoder> try this
[08:36:40] <XXCoder> filmly tap the spindle center of hard drive
[08:37:48] <XXCoder> then feel it
[08:37:54] <XXCoder> do it feel like rocks is in it?
[08:38:22] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: modern (2tb) HDDs dont have ball bearings
[08:38:45] <XXCoder> whats it use?
[08:38:45] <Loetmichel> besides: you cant get to the spindle shaft without destroying the HDD these days
[08:39:01] <Loetmichel> fluid bearings
[08:39:16] <Loetmichel> "hydrodynamic bearings"
[08:39:23] <XXCoder> interesting
[08:39:42] <XXCoder> made me think though. hard driver basically has motors with encoder
[08:39:50] <XXCoder> wonder if it can be used for light duty cnc lol
[08:39:54] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[08:39:59] <Loetmichel> it has no encoder
[08:40:10] <Loetmichel> just the hall sensors needed for commutating
[08:40:14] <XXCoder> it should as it need to know position
[08:40:26] <enleth> XXCoder: nope. Those are BLDCs engineered for specific speed ranges
[08:40:33] <XXCoder> interesting
[08:40:38] <Loetmichel> it reads the data on the disk foir positon
[08:40:46] <Loetmichel> ("embedded servo track"
[08:41:01] <enleth> XXCoder: the motor controller itself doesn't know shit about position
[08:41:24] <enleth> XXCoder: it just keeps the RPMs constant
[08:41:31] <XXCoder> ok
[08:41:42] <Loetmichel> the motor controller just gives a signal to the rest of the electtronics "reached stable rpm"
[08:41:55] <Loetmichel> then the heads dive in
[08:42:33] <enleth> The only thing they could be good for is maybe light engraving at 5400, 7200, 10000 or 15000 rpm
[08:43:10] <XXCoder> yeah pretty much useless
[08:43:30] <XXCoder> theres people who made nice clock with hd though
[08:43:41] <enleth> Much more useful is the arm bearing
[08:43:52] <Loetmichel> the HDD drive motrs are nice compact brushless motors tho
[08:44:03] <enleth> A friend used a bunch of those to make a gyro
[08:44:05] <Loetmichel> make for "not bad at all" PC plane drives ;)
[08:44:17] <XXCoder> nice
[08:44:21] <Loetmichel> RC
[08:45:03] <enleth> Loetmichel: isn't the torque rather limited?
[08:47:08] <XXCoder> enleth: apparently capactors farads add in parallel wire setup. so I guess can create 6 parallel setup in series in order to make large capactity 12v
[08:47:36] <XXCoder> 6x of 3000F 12v is 500F overall at 12v
[08:48:10] <XXCoder> if it has enough in parallel to get oit to 3000f in 12v it probbly would work
[08:48:34] <XXCoder> thats if I recall basic electics wiring correctly lol
[08:49:02] <Loetmichel> enleth: surprisingly not
[08:49:18] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: effecient motor on power usage?
[08:49:19] <Loetmichel> but you have to machine the rotor to get some air into the theing
[08:49:30] <Loetmichel> because it will overheat if tortured in a model plane
[08:49:37] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: yes
[08:50:20] <Loetmichel> thats the problem with a 20W motor that is made to put out nearly 800W ;)
[08:50:37] <XXCoder> lol
[08:50:39] <renesis> wait what are you doing with caps?
[08:51:07] <XXCoder> renesis: just conceptal discussion since we saw that supercaps as car battery
[08:51:23] <XXCoder> 6x 350F 2.7v seem to last few days no charge but few startups
[08:51:31] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: you mean in series, not parallel
[08:51:36] <XXCoder> 6x3000F 2.7v lasts bit longer
[08:51:45] <Loetmichel> the supercaps are 2,5V iirc
[08:51:49] <renesis> it should last like 10x longer
[08:51:58] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: I had idea of usine parallel to pump of farad size, then series to push v to 12
[08:52:07] <Loetmichel> ah
[08:52:10] <Loetmichel> i see
[08:52:14] <XXCoder> it would massive take a hit on F but thats why parallel
[08:52:19] <renesis> you have to make sure they split the voltage evenly
[08:52:21] <Loetmichel> that will be a space problem then
[08:52:36] <XXCoder> yeah yet lighter than lead battery
[08:52:37] <renesis> sometimes parallel resistors are used
[08:52:41] <Loetmichel> renesis: the supercaps have relatively high leak currents
[08:52:45] <XXCoder> and basically immortal.
[08:52:49] <Loetmichel> so they tend to balance themselves
[08:53:02] <renesis> this assumes similar esr no?
[08:53:15] <renesis> esr is prob diff through leakage path, shrug
[08:53:55] <Loetmichel> esr IS high compared to the capacity
[08:54:08] <Loetmichel> but absolute values are very low
[08:54:25] <Loetmichel> because of the insane capacity ;)
[08:54:46] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: though I wonder about voltage booster
[08:54:56] <XXCoder> so just massively parallel caps with it?
[08:55:00] <Loetmichel> i used a 4s 2300mAh A123 pack with good results to jumpstart my car a lot of times
[08:55:02] <XXCoder> not too sure how booster works.
[08:55:18] <renesis> if this is for driving a motor, it makes most sense to just wond the motor coil for 2.7V
[08:55:24] <renesis> conversion is lossy
[08:55:33] <renesis> *wind
[08:55:51] <XXCoder> renesis: nah as swap in car battery so have to be 12v (assuming reular car)
[08:55:58] <Loetmichel> (if you fly model helicoppters a lot and tend to be the last one on the model airfield you run into "battery empty" situations a lot ;)
[08:56:45] <XXCoder> heh I like planes more than helicopers
[08:56:49] <Loetmichel> i was surprised that the small packs can actually start a 2.5 liters 6cylinder turbocharged diesel with ease ;)
[08:56:51] <XXCoder> but planes need more space.
[08:57:24] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11184 <- these packs
[08:57:30] <XXCoder> renesis: you know much about volt booster? lol
[08:58:05] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: i wouldnt bother with supercaps for car
[08:58:14] <renesis> what do you mean volt booster
[08:58:20] <renesis> like a switching dc converter?
[08:58:25] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: yeah for now. capactor tech still slowly improving
[08:58:31] <Loetmichel> if i wanted to have a longlife battery i would get one of the 20Ah lifepo4 car batterys
[08:58:32] <XXCoder> renesis: any way to get 2.7v to 12v
[08:58:36] <XXCoder> without series
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[08:58:48] <Loetmichel> they are direct replacement for the lead ones and live nearly forever
[08:58:53] <Loetmichel> they are expensive tho
[08:59:12] <renesis> you have to chop it up and either put it through a coil and diode, or transformer
[08:59:32] <renesis> then you filter, or rectify and filter
[09:00:12] <XXCoder> more volt in ecchange for less amp?
[09:00:17] <renesis> so their loss in the FET, loss in the coils and diodes, theres like a dozen ways for it to go wrong easy
[09:00:28] <renesis> yeah basically
[09:00:47] <XXCoder> interesting. so best way is simply have capactor at or above v rating for car engine
[09:00:51] <XXCoder> 12v or 16v
[09:01:15] <XXCoder> but so far I dont see massive F on those, 16v highest farad is 58F.
[09:01:16] <renesis> with low Rds_on fets and schottky diodes and expensive coils, and low speed switch (which makes the magnetics big and expensive), you can get over 90% efficient
[09:01:23] <XXCoder> parallel em would cost so much lol
[09:01:38] <renesis> realistically, its usually like 80% on high power stuff with cost effective magnetics
[09:02:02] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: interesting
[09:02:07] <renesis> well you dont get extra capacity, paralell vs series, so it should cost the same
[09:02:09] <XXCoder> seem to cost around twice regular?
[09:02:27] <XXCoder> what Ah do car need?
[09:03:37] <XXCoder> anyway
[09:03:39] <renesis> they prob have 12v cap packs for car stuff now with all the hybrids
[09:03:49] <XXCoder> possibly
[09:04:27] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWOxk0a8M6M
[09:04:36] <XXCoder> guy is nuts
[09:05:36] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoWMF3VkI6U afrotechmods fun
[09:05:44] <renesis> uhohz
[09:06:02] <Loetmichel> renesis: a SMPS that can start an engine at several 100A would be grossly oversized
[09:06:22] <renesis> ya
[09:06:31] <Loetmichel> so i would think that you would need to rewind the starter to 2.7V
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[09:06:48] <renesis> or just build the cap for 12V and change
[09:06:49] <Loetmichel> problem with that is that the cables are already as thick as one can manage
[09:06:56] <renesis> yeah
[09:06:57] <Loetmichel> and at 2.7V they would be gross
[09:07:06] <XXCoder> just do solid plates
[09:07:11] <renesis> they prob wouldnt be cables anymore
[09:07:14] <renesis> bus bars
[09:07:15] <XXCoder> yeah
[09:07:17] <Loetmichel> i had a tatra semi with a 17.5liters V12 diesel once
[09:07:28] <renesis> cap would probably be part of a starter assembly
[09:07:32] <Loetmichel> it had 2(!) starters rated 24V 1000A...
[09:07:38] <renesis> nice
[09:07:50] <XXCoder> renesis: yeah 2.7v 4000F (largest I see so far)
[09:07:55] <XXCoder> thats just massive F
[09:08:08] <XXCoder> and no series to sap capactity fast
[09:08:11] <Loetmichel> and 1" thick cables running from the batteries to the starter motors ;)
[09:08:29] <XXCoder> I wouldnt do cables that way, just solid rods
[09:08:43] <XXCoder> maybe very short cable from rod to cap
[09:08:58] <Loetmichel> imagine cables rated for 10kA there... (1/10 the voltage, 10 times the current for same power)
[09:09:30] <XXCoder> how easy is it to rewind starter? lol
[09:09:39] <Loetmichel> not easy at all
[09:09:50] <XXCoder> alternator'd have to be done too
[09:10:03] <XXCoder> then rest of electrics hm
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[09:18:16] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xONZcBJh5A&feature=iv&src_vid=EoWMF3VkI6U
[09:18:18] <XXCoder> fun video
[09:19:12] <XXCoder> one thing about afrotechmods videos
[09:19:17] <XXCoder> good percent is captioned.
[09:32:55] <Loetmichel> hihi
[09:33:13] <Loetmichel> "someone who is not very bright" and a pic of bush junior ;)
[09:33:19] <XXCoder> indeed
[09:35:21] <Praesmeodymium> i had always wondered what my capacitance was
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[09:35:37] <Loetmichel> a few (double digit) pico farads
[09:35:40] <XXCoder> well now you know
[09:35:46] <XXCoder> next! ;)
[09:36:08] <Loetmichel> on the other hand the video is sinmplified
[09:36:31] <Loetmichel> one CAN touch the HV of a CRT... usually they are current limited to 8mA
[09:36:42] <Loetmichel> which means: panful bit not at all deadly
[09:37:03] <Praesmeodymium> I have in fact been knocked on my ass by the capacitor that is an uplugged crt
[09:37:17] <Loetmichel> yeah, it hurts
[09:37:33] <Loetmichel> but i did it on pourpose more than one time
[09:37:40] <Loetmichel> and still live to tell the tale ;)
[09:37:41] <Praesmeodymium> ahh HS electronics and a teacher who didnt tell me what I should know when opening a tv lol
[09:38:04] <Loetmichel> you can draw nice sparks from a running CRT that way
[09:38:27] <Loetmichel> scares away ANY customer that is tooo close for comfort when repairing old CRT tvs ;)
[09:38:52] <Loetmichel> when they see a half foot spark impact your finger ;)
[09:39:15] <Loetmichel> "kids dont try that at home" ;)
[09:41:21] <XXCoder> heh remember this stupid trick with static electricity
[09:41:35] <XXCoder> metal stores charge well, so just hold dumbells while shuffing
[09:41:37] <XXCoder> boom
[09:41:43] <XXCoder> well not literally
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[09:45:30] <MattyMatt> I put my finger in a 240V edison screw disco light, to feel what modulated 240V felt like
[09:46:40] <MattyMatt> Across the shop, into the 276-xxxx pegboards, if you're wondering how far I flew
[09:47:01] <XXCoder> crazy
[09:47:38] <XXCoder> one time while rewiring friend of my got stuck holding wires
[09:47:45] <MattyMatt> crazy would be twice
[09:48:00] <XXCoder> I made double fist to hit his hands off but he managed to let go right before i him him
[09:48:11] <MattyMatt> once was merely stupid
[09:48:12] <XXCoder> it was pretty closem he was off for months after
[09:48:51] <MattyMatt> I thought AC didn't make you grab the wire
[09:48:58] <XXCoder> funny because he let go right before I hit, so I ended up almost falling forward into wires
[09:49:27] <MattyMatt> I'm probably just spouting propoganda from the westinghouse-edison war
[09:49:31] <Praesmeodymium> 50hz doesnt 60hz does
[09:49:44] <XXCoder> wonder why
[09:50:15] <Praesmeodymium> 60hz cause the muscle to fire 50hz disrupts the firing or something from the back of my head
[09:51:11] <MattyMatt> I thought the nervous system ran at 7hz
[09:52:30] <MattyMatt> meh, it runs on mush
[09:52:55] <XXCoder> it would be funny if there was upgrade to transfer info faster than nerves
[09:53:09] <XXCoder> fiber optics for one, which is vastly faster
[09:53:13] <MattyMatt> kill all fleshies
[09:53:19] <XXCoder> no
[09:53:20] <MattyMatt> oops wrong channel >:)
[09:53:26] <XXCoder> upgrade! upgrade!
[09:53:34] <XXCoder> cybermen lol
[09:54:28] <MattyMatt> mine was CallMeKenneth from the robot war in 2000AD
[09:54:41] <XXCoder> lol ok
[09:54:57] <MattyMatt> carpentry robot. hmm. and now I'm making carpentry machines. big hmmmm
[09:55:29] <MattyMatt> he had a saw for a right hand
[09:55:29] <Praesmeodymium> a little quick research makes me wonder if that isnt just old wives tale nationlism crap,,, it seems there is a let go current for ac
[09:56:04] <MattyMatt> 1000A and you let go explosively? :)
[09:57:11] <Praesmeodymium> like with 60 hz you percieve it at 1ma you can let go of it between 6-9ma and after 25 you are locked on
[09:57:26] <Praesmeodymium> https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/scenario/labman4/safety.htm
[09:57:47] <MattyMatt> hang on. carpentry robot in the mega city?? where were the trees coming from? outside the city was a nuclear wasteland
[09:58:10] <XXCoder> MattyMatt: probably retired carpentry robot
[09:58:33] <XXCoder> or maybe tree farms. I had tree farms when I was playing minecraft lol
[09:58:35] <XXCoder> smart move
[09:58:37] <MattyMatt> probably plastiwood. that's how they dealt with awkward questions like that
[09:58:45] <malcom2073> [05:36:31] <Loetmichel> one CAN touch the HV of a CRT... usually they are current limited to 8mA
[09:58:47] <malcom2073> I've done that
[09:58:48] <malcom2073> it sucks. bad
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[10:03:59] <Loetmichel> aaand a bsod again. it seems its not the HDD. its the PSU... if i load the 12V (spinup of the DVD) the HDD will start clicking... strange...
[10:04:22] <XXCoder> insuffecent power can cause strange stuff
[10:04:30] <XXCoder> try disconnect currently useless stuff
[10:04:36] <XXCoder> like say your cd drive
[10:04:47] <XXCoder> if two video cards remove one
[10:05:09] <Loetmichel> i'll just get a new atx PSU from the pile and try again ;)
[10:05:16] <XXCoder> if you have say 8 gb, and 2 sticks remove one
[10:05:21] <MattyMatt> invest €14.99 in a new high quality psu
[10:05:40] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: lol ok
[10:05:46] * MattyMatt only cares about the quality "is it working today"
[10:05:50] <XXCoder> if you had to wait order for example those helps
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[10:11:25] <jthornton> morning
[10:11:32] <XXCoder> hey
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[10:45:24] <ganzuul> harro
[10:54:12] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsCFze4zkzk
[10:54:48] <XXCoder> giant metal lathe?
[10:55:13] <XXCoder> that dont look like cutting. weird
[10:57:31] <ganzuul> It'd plastically deformed.
[10:57:34] <ganzuul> ~s
[10:57:40] <XXCoder> yeah
[10:57:49] <XXCoder> not too sure why they arent using press or something
[10:59:06] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK_7tXGki1M
[10:59:53] <archivist> tooling for spinning can be a lot cheaper than for pressing
[11:00:02] <XXCoder> I guess so
[11:00:11] <XXCoder> that hot end bending is interesting
[11:03:16] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJGlgSZe4k4
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[11:27:36] <ganzuul> Way cool. Hot metal centrifuge.
[11:27:57] <XXCoder> indeed
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[12:32:32] * jthornton is having fun with c++ and make :)
[12:34:29] <ganzuul> whacha doin?
[12:36:14] <jthornton> reading dxf files
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[12:36:59] <ganzuul> cool
[12:37:31] <ganzuul> yanno the RAW format doesn't actually represent pixels.
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[12:37:58] <ganzuul> Rather single points of light in a grid with lots of separation
[12:40:20] <jthornton> damn gtk has really screwed up gedit
[12:40:36] <jthornton> need to find a new text editor
[12:41:11] * ganzuul bit the bullet and learned Vim.
[12:41:38] <archivist> I still assume vi :)
[12:42:12] * MattyMatt prefers wordstar, with the stickers on the keys
[12:42:21] <jthornton> does vim use gtk?
[12:42:45] <ganzuul> You can use Vim in the terminal.
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[12:43:39] <MattyMatt> gnome 3 is dreadful, so something must have happened to gtk underneath
[12:44:12] <jthornton> yea the gtk programmers at stupid
[12:44:37] <jthornton> the file chooser is the most horrible pos I've ever seen
[12:44:45] <ganzuul> There is a special font, plugins (airline), and terminal settings which gives you pretty colors and a lot of GUI-like features.
[12:45:13] <ganzuul> Qt is much better technology...
[12:45:36] <MattyMatt> I'm still running debian 6, because I haven't found a newer one with a decent gui
[12:47:07] <ganzuul> Honesly, I would not want to touch a C++ project which isn't in Qt...
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[12:47:44] <ganzuul> So many stupid ways to reinvent the basic tools, like concurrency.
[12:47:57] <MattyMatt> I avoided Qt just because it was C++. I believed C++ caused every program to bloat
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[12:48:19] <ganzuul> Qt is what makes C++ tractable.
[12:48:24] <MattyMatt> I had OOP down pat in plain C. typedef struct ftw
[12:48:26] <archivist> any language with objects means bloat
[12:50:08] <ganzuul> This new thing, Rust, is making waves.
[12:50:24] <MattyMatt> I like to be close to the actual data the cpu crunches. I'd still be doing asm if it didn't age so quickly
[12:50:56] <MattyMatt> C is as real as you can get and still be portable
[12:51:51] <ganzuul> I love C on the Parallax Propeller. You got 8 cores, so concurrency isn't time-sharing.
[12:53:46] <ganzuul> Haven't done much with it yet. Will do more when I start CNC stuff.
[12:54:38] <MattyMatt> I need to get further with cuda/vhdl/verilog and now openCL too
[12:54:53] <jthornton> hmm jedit looks promising
[12:55:14] <MattyMatt> I guess that's 2 seperate families, and I gotta choose one for fpga, and another for gpu
[12:55:37] <ganzuul> Seems like 2 different to me too
[12:55:57] <ganzuul> There's this Vulkan API coming up for GPUs.
[12:56:15] <MattyMatt> waah, not another one
[12:56:34] <ganzuul> Well it's supposed to get rid of a lot of bloat in the drivers.
[12:56:51] <ganzuul> Let you have closer access to the metal.
[12:56:55] <MattyMatt> oh yeah GLSL, I haven't quite got my head around whether OpenCL totally obsoletes that or not
[12:57:20] <ganzuul> There is OpenCL/OpenGL interop.
[12:57:48] <ganzuul> Just re-cast a vector as an image.
[12:58:09] <MattyMatt> yep, so afaics, GLSL has no more use
[12:58:33] <MattyMatt> I should buy the orange book anyway
[12:59:00] <MattyMatt> and a new copy of the red book. I think my 3rd edition is a bit lame now
[12:59:07] <archivist> assember hardly ages!
[12:59:15] * ganzuul doesn't know those
[13:00:20] <archivist> I only derust with a scraper or angle grinder
[13:00:25] <ganzuul> archivist: I'd say hand-written assembler doesn't age. The drivel optimizing compilers spit out is another thing.
[13:00:42] <archivist> true
[13:00:43] <MattyMatt> hand optimised MMX code ages :)
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[13:01:00] <MattyMatt> at least, the optimisations do
[13:01:37] <ganzuul> Really amazing what sort of paranoid nonsense GCC can get up to.
[13:02:41] <MattyMatt> to prove a point, I got a 586 making better 8 bit data code than gcc 2.95 could, but it could match me when the data was 32 bit
[13:02:46] <ganzuul> Fortunately, LLVM is an option for us open source folks.
[13:03:32] <MattyMatt> the point was that pipeline stalls would make 8 bit asm slower than 32 bit
[13:03:44] <MattyMatt> disproven
[13:03:54] <MattyMatt> dunno about newer chips tho
[13:04:15] <ganzuul> There's multiprecision in the works for GPUs.
[13:04:42] <jthornton> too bad the text rendering in jedit is terrible
[13:04:54] <ganzuul> ?
[13:05:05] <ganzuul> Try a font like Inconsolata.
[13:05:09] <jthornton> the letters are not sharp and clear
[13:05:40] <jthornton> that doesn't seem to be a choice
[13:05:52] <ganzuul> ...enable Clear Type?
[13:07:35] <jthornton> ahh enable fractional font metrics makes it better
[13:09:13] <jthornton> DejaVu Sans Mono 14 Plain looks good
[13:10:07] <archivist> aliased fonts look terrible often
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[15:17:15] <zeeshan> morning everyone
[15:17:55] <Sync> good afternoon
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[15:23:26] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/EiC9FGU.png
[15:23:52] <zeeshan> MORN
[15:24:08] <archivist> mourn
[15:24:10] <PetefromTn_> :D
[15:24:38] <Wolf_> meh
[15:30:26] <ganzuul> o/
[15:31:21] <Tom_itx> http://ericakieferbooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/048039-grumpy-toddler.jpg
[15:33:51] <renesis> ^ nightmare
[15:34:17] <renesis> if it looks like that in the morning might as well kill yourself
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[15:37:39] <renesis> guys when they spec bike lock cable thickness, do you think its the cable OD, or the plastic cover OD?
[15:38:13] <Tom_itx> i don't think it matters really because they're gonna use bolt cutters anyway
[15:38:18] <renesis> http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-78DPF-Looped-6-Foot/dp/B00004Y8CX/
[15:38:32] <Tom_itx> it's only a slight deterent
[15:38:53] <PetefromTn_> dunno but I lost a nice Cannondale hard tail to one of those rubber coated bar locks years ago
[15:38:53] <renesis> i have a u lock with 1/2" thick shank
[15:39:02] <renesis> i need something for like, trees and light poles
[15:39:16] <renesis> and itd be nice to have it to sling the lock over my shoulder
[15:39:21] <renesis> no place for it on the bike
[15:39:35] <renesis> in backpack is just gonna break shitr
[15:39:55] <Wolf_> really big lock, still takes 10sec or less to drill the tumblers out
[15:40:07] <renesis> so i should just lean it against the wall
[15:40:12] <renesis> what is your advice exactly
[15:40:14] <Tom_itx> unless it's too thick for bolt cutters then it's not gonna protect much
[15:40:27] <renesis> okay so what should i do
[15:40:32] <Tom_itx> get a short piece of log chain
[15:40:38] <Tom_itx> and one of those circular locks
[15:40:44] <renesis> they can cut the lock
[15:40:56] <Tom_itx> those thick heavy duty ones?
[15:40:56] <Wolf_> I use those type cables, mostly for odd stuff thats sitting in my work truck
[15:40:57] <renesis> i dont think you can do big chain and circular locks
[15:41:01] <renesis> i think it doesnt fit
[15:41:06] <Tom_itx> probably not
[15:41:21] <renesis> so anyway
[15:41:34] <renesis> do you think its specing cable OD or covering OD? i think its covering
[15:41:35] <Tom_itx> i weave the chain thru both wheels too or you may end up with a unicycle
[15:41:46] <PetefromTn_> honestly the reality is that if they want to steal it....they will find a freakin way unfortunately
[15:42:03] <renesis> right thats why i didnt ask for advice on if i should get a lock
[15:42:05] <Tom_itx> bike theft around here is getting out of hand
[15:42:12] <renesis> because obviously it can get stolen
[15:42:19] <renesis> has bike stolen from this school already
[15:42:26] <renesis> i should give up and not use bike ever?
[15:42:28] <PetefromTn_> and honestly I WISH I had a good anwer for you
[15:42:34] <JT-Shop> put a side car on the bike and take your favorite mean dog with you
[15:42:38] <renesis> obviously im going to lock the bike up
[15:42:46] <PetefromTn_> hire a hit man?
[15:42:53] <renesis> thing is its a light bike anbd huge locks kind of defeat the purpose
[15:43:03] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[15:43:07] <Tom_itx> around here the cops place bikes in random places waiting for someone to come along and take em
[15:43:21] <PetefromTn_> super lightweight awesome bike with BIGASS heavy U lock mounted to the frame LOL
[15:43:23] <renesis> why i just had cable lock for last bike, that gor stole when i was at a lab until midnight
[15:43:33] <renesis> there sno place to mount on the frame
[15:43:35] <Tom_itx> or just ride a shit bike nobody would want
[15:43:37] <JT-Shop> get a folding bike
[15:43:40] <t12> get a reasonable u-lock
[15:43:42] <renesis> 24" bmx with low profile frame
[15:43:44] <Wolf_> camouflage it, make it look not so nice, light lock should work then
[15:43:45] <t12> dont leave your bike in high theft areas
[15:43:50] <PetefromTn_> I just went to a matinee movie and bolted the bike to a steel light pole.
[15:43:50] <renesis> ha folding bike might as well walk
[15:43:51] <t12> get some pitlocks for the wheels
[15:44:01] <renesis> whats pitlocks
[15:44:01] <PetefromTn_> came back and the lock was sitting there broken on the floor and the bike was gone
[15:44:07] <t12> https://www.pitlock.de/en
[15:44:19] <renesis> petefromtn_: i came back there were two bikes on the rack, neither mine
[15:44:30] <renesis> there were like 40 bikes on the rack when i locked it up
[15:44:41] <renesis> prob came by with a truck and bolt cutters
[15:44:52] <t12> vs pro bike theives
[15:44:56] <t12> just dont have a bike they want to steel
[15:44:57] <t12> steal
[15:45:17] <renesis> yeah thats kind of the real solution, expendable bikes
[15:45:26] <Sync> yeah I have a 100€ shitbox for them to steal
[15:45:30] <renesis> but on commodity beach cruiser i feel like a sitting duck
[15:45:38] <PetefromTn_> the good news for me is I switched to a home built tig welded Short wheelbase recumbent bike....nobody will steal that because I doubt they could even ride it LOL
[15:45:50] <renesis> no crank length, low gearing, heavy, high COG
[15:45:54] <Wolf_> move to toyko, bike lock there is a flimsy little bar that blocks the spokes from turning
[15:45:57] <renesis> bearing creaking
[15:46:06] <renesis> brakes are shit
[15:46:26] <t12> best thing is dont leave bike in public really
[15:46:34] <t12> i bring indoors at workplaces
[15:46:38] <renesis> yeah but cant bring bike into every class
[15:46:41] <t12> if locked up on street i'm usually right there
[15:46:47] <t12> bike room on campus?
[15:46:49] <PetefromTn_> get a scooter?
[15:46:50] <renesis> school is okay until night
[15:46:53] <t12> friendly lab/basement/somewhere
[15:47:03] <renesis> actually a grom would be cool
[15:47:12] <renesis> but im like 6 blocks from school
[15:47:15] <renesis> not worth it
[15:47:36] <renesis> downtown is maybe 10x10 blocks, im on the edge, bike is perfect
[15:47:38] <Tom_itx> http://www.citizenbike.com/default.asp?gclid=CJ3B-OOt9McCFQIcaQodgPQLTw
[15:47:47] <JT-Shop> talk to the school about secure bike parking
[15:47:52] <renesis> they have it
[15:47:55] <PetefromTn_> get a ruckus
[15:47:56] <renesis> and i have to reg my bike
[15:48:04] <renesis> ruckus is lame since the grom
[15:48:10] <PetefromTn_> NO
[15:48:12] <renesis> yes!
[15:48:15] <PetefromTn_> NOOOOO
[15:48:18] <renesis> big ruckus is even lamer!
[15:48:20] <PetefromTn_> I love the ruckus
[15:48:23] <PetefromTn_> agreed
[15:48:28] <renesis> the little ones are pretty cool actually
[15:48:29] <PetefromTn_> I don't like the big ruckus
[15:48:31] <t12> fleamarket time
[15:48:33] <renesis> but grom is straight sex
[15:48:33] <t12> may i find sweet tooling
[15:48:38] <renesis> baby super moto, so want
[15:48:39] <PetefromTn_> they make a chinese clone too
[15:49:28] <PetefromTn_> https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--2ZSzBDj5--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_north,h_358,q_80,w_636/w7a0979jkduabxs0grhg.jpg This is a funny picture
[15:49:34] <renesis> so anyway, thanks for advice i know itll get stolen thats why i bought for $450 instead of built for $900, but yeah really i just wanted to know about thick cables to use with u-lock
[15:49:55] <renesis> petefromtn_: is that a clone?
[15:50:03] <PetefromTn_> dunno
[15:50:13] <PetefromTn_> just found it in a google search for grom
[15:50:15] <renesis> oh, prob not that looks nice, has honda badge
[15:50:19] <Wolf_> Ick, u-lock bad
[15:50:33] <renesis> why u lock bad
[15:50:45] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/mcy/5209977972.html here ya go..
[15:51:21] <renesis> petefromtn_: that with street tires and stiffer suspension, do want
[15:51:29] <PetefromTn_> yup
[15:51:34] <PetefromTn_> would be a sweet local ride
[15:51:38] <PetefromTn_> bigass thumper
[15:51:43] <Sync> I got a drz for that
[15:51:53] <PetefromTn_> drz is nice too
[15:52:09] <PetefromTn_> I used to like those TW200's
[15:52:11] <renesis> i would just want to do canyon roads i already <3, dont want to do dirt id prob just kill myself
[15:52:27] <PetefromTn_> OH man dirt is the best part!!
[15:52:29] <renesis> yeah drz would be neat but those things hold value, fuuuuuu $$$$
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[15:52:57] <renesis> well, something under 400 lbs with mad grip and decent power to weight is best part
[15:54:18] <renesis> is crazy how much street bikes have changed and dirt bikes have not changed
[15:55:18] <PetefromTn_> http://image.superstreetonline.com/f/52113108+w+h+q80+re0+cr1/2003-honda-ruckus-tucked-front-frame ;)
[15:56:13] <PetefromTn_> ya know I have had about a dozen different sportbikes over the years and I must admit that some of the most fun I ever had on two wheels was riding scooters with friends in high scool
[15:56:45] <PetefromTn_> damn near 100 MPG and mine was big enough for the freeway
[15:56:59] <renesis> ha thats prob like $8k in ruckus =\
[15:57:08] <PetefromTn_> yup
[15:57:22] <PetefromTn_> but hey you are a CNC guy you can make all that shit yourself!!
[15:57:35] <renesis> i have tiny parts cnc
[15:57:48] <PetefromTn_> its a tiny bike!
[15:57:57] <renesis> biggest lesson with a taig: envelope is really important because multiple setups are annoying
[15:58:01] <renesis> haha true
[15:58:10] <PetefromTn_> http://www.airsociety.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/honda-ruckus-bagriders-airsociety-stance-bagged-air-ride-suspension-006.jpg
[15:58:29] <renesis> haha wtf stanced scooter
[15:58:38] <PetefromTn_> yup I agree which is why I always try to steer people clear of the real small mills
[15:58:38] <renesis> that looks cool tho
[15:58:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah I agree there are some really cool looking ones out there. some real creativity
[15:59:06] <renesis> well i did a shitload of PCB on it which was great for me
[15:59:20] <renesis> and it dont have a garage and move a lot to little places
[15:59:31] <renesis> and sometimes take it to work to live in car trunk
[15:59:50] <PetefromTn_> http://www.airsociety.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/honda-ruckus-bagged-air-ride-stance-scooter-011.jpg air ride!
[16:00:03] <renesis> but sometimes i think like a 2x4 router would be more useful for everything else
[16:00:25] <renesis> i dont like that one as much
[16:00:53] <renesis> that ones rideable tho, the other one would drag its exhaust pipe
[16:03:43] <PetefromTn_> it has air ride
[16:04:08] <renesis> well thats good
[16:04:22] <renesis> well, other than adding more weight =(
[16:05:00] <renesis> they have tiny compressors or they fill a bottle before?
[16:06:00] <PetefromTn_> I have seen it both ways
[16:06:42] <Wolf_> not like they need much air, probably can get away with a really small compressor
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[16:11:15] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_, that last ruckus needs to be flat black, and the exhaust made to look like shotgun wrapped in burnt asbestos
[16:14:28] <PetefromTn_> Naah
[16:14:42] <PetefromTn_> I am not into the flat black except on rat rods etc.
[16:15:10] <tjtr33> ++rat bikes
[16:16:11] <PetefromTn_> I have been REALLY trying to find a good deal on an older bike to turn into a nice cafe racer
[16:16:20] <PetefromTn_> but I can't decide WHICH one to get LOL
[16:16:33] <PetefromTn_> there are so many good bikes that people turn into cafe racers
[16:19:09] <Sync> xbr500 PetefromTn_
[16:19:54] <PetefromTn_> nice but did they even import those to USA?
[16:19:59] <Sync> yes
[16:20:46] <tjtr33> ? i looked at those for retiring in thailand, didnt see here, big there
[16:20:51] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE a Ducati Sport 1000 but since I can't really afford one I will have to build something like it...
[16:21:04] <PetefromTn_> speaking of can't get in USA
[16:21:11] <PetefromTn_> ya know what I would REALLY LOVE
[16:21:16] <PetefromTn_> that you can't get here...
[16:21:29] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately thanks to our stupid regulations
[16:21:42] <t12> ive been cluelessly working on someones rebel 250
[16:21:52] <t12> not too bad to work on really
[16:21:58] <t12> automotive electrical sucks
[16:22:11] <PetefromTn_> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/suzuki/280554d1167932146-long-wheel-base-samurai-project-left-front-640-480.jpg a Long wheelbase Suzuki Samurai!!
[16:22:50] <CaptHindsight> t12: sucks would be an improvement :p
[16:23:17] <PetefromTn_> http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt269/jtbentzen/LWBathome7-21-04008_2.jpg
[16:24:12] <t12> too much jamming wire harness ends into boxes
[16:24:39] <t12> insane wiring diagrams
[16:24:44] <t12> weirdo connectors
[16:27:03] <Sync> it's not worse than industrial wiring
[16:27:16] <CaptHindsight> uh huh it is
[16:27:48] <Sync> with industrial wiring you get cabinets jammed full of shit, no diagram whatsoever
[16:27:56] <Sync> wrong cable colors used for everything
[16:28:04] <PetefromTn_> I have actually considered buying two samurai carcasses and cutting and splicing them together hrmm
[16:28:05] <Sync> bare copper because lazyness
[16:28:11] <Wolf_> VW wiring is fun
[16:28:25] <Wolf_> 30 wires running to the back of the car, all white
[16:29:01] <Sync> it is the same with aircraft wiring
[16:29:31] <Wolf_> least I managed to find the connector type for the vw stuff
[16:29:34] <PetefromTn_> http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/codestah/DSCN0325.jpg :D
[16:30:21] <Wolf_> that long wheel base zuki, how much other then the tin is stock lol
[16:30:42] <PetefromTn_> they are completely stock they came that way
[16:31:15] <PetefromTn_> they are very popular in other countries but you can't get them here
[16:31:24] <PetefromTn_> apparently they imported some to Canada
[16:31:33] <Sync> get 18 of them and do the crashtesting
[16:31:44] <Wolf_> if they are old enough you can import them
[16:31:56] <PetefromTn_> there are many in eastern countries
[16:31:59] <PetefromTn_> in fact
[16:32:07] <PetefromTn_> there is now a company in India
[16:32:20] <PetefromTn_> I think it is called Mahindra or something like that
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[16:33:47] <Tom_itx> Mahindra makes tractors
[16:33:56] <Tom_itx> and atvs
[16:34:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah apparently
[16:34:43] <Tom_itx> they sell em around here
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[16:35:08] <PetefromTn_> Maruti Gypsy is the name sorry
[16:35:43] <PetefromTn_> just a bit of trivia
[16:35:59] <Tom_itx> suzuki
[16:36:11] <Tom_itx> http://www.marutisuzuki.com/gypsy.aspx
[16:36:28] <PetefromTn_> Can you guess what the record is for the highest altitude ever acheived by a four wheel drive vehicle short of the lunar rover?
[16:36:46] <Tom_itx> must be higher than pikes peak
[16:36:54] <PetefromTn_> OH yeah
[16:37:39] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIxM2d5yB24
[16:37:47] <Tom_itx> 6646 meters
[16:38:16] <PetefromTn_> Gonzalo BRavo took a modified Suzuki Samurai on a shoestring budget to the highest altitude ever acheived
[16:38:29] <Tom_itx> http://www.autoblog.com/2007/04/27/chileans-top-jeep-altitude-record-with-modded-suzuki-samurai/
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[16:39:23] <PetefromTn_> yup that is it...
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[16:40:49] <PetefromTn_> I swear I have owned and four wheeled/beat the crap out of six of these little trucks and they are so cool. that long wheelbase Maruti would be so fun to have.
[16:49:04] <CaptHindsight> I wish truckers here would deck out their trucks like they do in India or at least Japan
[16:49:25] <CaptHindsight> the US is getting too boring
[16:49:51] <PetefromTn_> agreed
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[16:57:13] <archivist> normal truckers need a better load to truck weight ratio
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[17:00:39] <Wolf_Mill> this damn ball screw...
[17:01:09] <Wolf_Mill> took it from 14mm down to 10mm and it seems that its still hardened
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[17:05:11] <archivist> good stuff will be through hardened
[17:05:19] <Wolf_Mill> thk..
[17:05:38] <archivist> thk is a better make :)
[17:05:45] <Wolf_Mill> guess I need to get a torch out then
[17:05:55] <archivist> nooo
[17:06:13] <archivist> get the right insert
[17:06:28] <archivist> or grind
[17:06:43] <Wolf_Mill> trying to thread it
[17:07:43] <Jymmm> really thin grinder =)
[17:08:09] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: This thin --> |
[17:08:23] <Jymmm> or would that be This thin --> /
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[17:12:28] <Wolf_Mill> I thought about the roto tool but would need to make a holder for it
[17:12:41] <furrywolf> decisions, decisions... should I figure out what's up with my new subaru's fuel pressure, a useful project, or work on the electronics box for my mill, a hobby-only project?
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[17:14:57] <Wolf_Mill> still temped to just anneal the damn thing
[17:15:42] <Jymmm> furrywolf: what year?
[17:15:56] <furrywolf> the subaru? '84
[17:16:17] <Jymmm> Oh, pre ODB2 (thught you could see any injectors pressure)
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[17:17:24] <furrywolf> it starves for fuel going up hills. either bad fuel pump, clogged filters, clogged pickup, or bad lines. filters look reasonably new. need to get out the pressure gauge and see where it has and doesn't have pressure.
[17:17:59] <Jymmm> crap in the the bottom of the tank?
[17:18:38] <furrywolf> that would fall under "clogged pickup".
[17:19:05] <Jymmm> I thought it fall more under... dropping the damn tank =)
[17:19:35] <furrywolf> bad fuel pump is the most likely answer.
[17:19:41] <furrywolf> since the filters look newish
[17:19:51] <furrywolf> however, someone could have added some bad gas and clogged the newish filters.
[17:20:04] <furrywolf> it's not complex to diagnose, it's just an annoying project.
[17:20:12] <Jymmm> carb?
[17:20:19] <furrywolf> stick fuel pressure gauge at various points, see what it reads.
[17:20:19] <furrywolf> yes.
[17:20:27] <Jymmm> sticky float?
[17:20:37] <furrywolf> no
[17:20:39] <Jymmm> k
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[17:21:34] <furrywolf> it's way too constant to be a sticky float. plus, I rebuilt the carb a couple weeks ago, and it didn't change. :)
[17:21:48] <Jymmm> If it's only up hill, would make me think it's something that moves
[17:22:02] <Jymmm> ...being the cause.
[17:22:26] <furrywolf> or you use more gas going up hills, and the fuel pump has to work against more head. :P
[17:22:39] <Jymmm> Nah
[17:22:53] <Jymmm> mech or electric pump?
[17:23:09] <furrywolf> you can't really run full throttle on level ground for very long without reaching dangerous speeds, but it's quite easy on a steep hill.
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[17:23:14] <furrywolf> electric
[17:24:16] <furrywolf> I'd go work on it now except my neighbor has decided to idle his loud-as-fuck growmobile in the driveway and it's unpleasant to be around.
[17:24:19] <Jymmm> can you add a "T" into the fuel line and easure the pressure whiel driving uphill?
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[17:24:35] <Jymmm> measure*
[17:25:03] <PetefromTn_> when I had a weber carb on my Suzuki samurai it would die on steep hills. the fix was to turn it around backwards and put a fuel pressure regulator inline with the carb. Problem solved
[17:25:04] <furrywolf> yes. I hope it won't come to that, however. driving around with a pressure gauge stuck under your windshield wiper always draws looks. :P
[17:25:09] <Wolf_Mill> bad fuel gauge?
[17:25:17] <Jymmm> lol
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[17:26:04] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: this is a simple fuel starvation issue. it'll crawl up hills ok, but beyond about half throttle it runs out of fuel and dies. you can make it do it on level ground too, you just need a long straight stretch and to shift quickly...
[17:26:17] <Jymmm> furrywolf: vapor lock?
[17:26:41] <furrywolf> you know, my question was which project I should work on, not asking for suggestions. :P
[17:26:49] <PetefromTn_> I KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS!!
[17:26:57] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Clip a wooden clothes pin on the fuel line =)
[17:26:57] <furrywolf> you don't get vapor lock with electric fuel pumps at the tank
[17:27:07] <furrywolf> Wolf_Mill: no, it's not out of gas. lol
[17:27:09] <PetefromTn_> your car is tired of hearing you bitch and whine about everything so it has started a silent protest!!
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[17:28:03] <PetefromTn_> so I swapped out the wifeys brakes and rotors yesterday....
[17:28:07] <Jymmm> furrywolf: then go work on the millbox
[17:28:13] <PetefromTn_> now I have the old rotors sitting here
[17:28:20] <PetefromTn_> trying to decide what I can do with them ;)
[17:28:31] <furrywolf> unfortunately, said neighbor is now idling his truck blocking the driveway, so I can't go get the box.
[17:28:57] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: use them of electoetching anodes
[17:29:01] <Jymmm> for*
[17:29:10] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: anodes for electrolytic rust removal.
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[17:29:17] <PetefromTn_> huh
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[17:29:24] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: practice negative DC wleding using two car batteries
[17:29:24] <PetefromTn_> never done that before...is it cool?
[17:29:43] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: create garden art
[17:29:54] <PetefromTn_> I had one idea
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[17:30:10] <furrywolf> how big are they? if the wifey drives a big truck, you can use them as bases for grinder stands and the like. :P
[17:30:18] <PetefromTn_> I thought about making some stout stands that will hold up my stock off the floor in my horizontal bandsaw
[17:30:35] <PetefromTn_> like little heavy jackstands
[17:30:40] <Jymmm> floor lamp base
[17:30:57] <furrywolf> weld a piece of pipe in the middle and take up weight lifting.
[17:31:02] <Jymmm> use them for hats that won't blow away
[17:31:12] <PetefromTn_> :D
[17:31:22] <Jymmm> bolt them together and have an industrial wire/cable spool
[17:31:24] <furrywolf> practice discus throwing
[17:31:36] <PetefromTn_> I could make the worlds heaviest yoyo
[17:31:45] <Jymmm> musical symbals
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[17:32:17] <Jymmm> railroad wheel
[17:32:18] <PetefromTn_> I could make my own version of the ODD JOB Hat
[17:32:50] <Jymmm> gocart brakes
[17:33:07] <furrywolf> I don't know if cast iron holds a keen enough edge for that.
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[17:33:24] <PetefromTn_> Oh come on now that is just ridiculous....why the hell would you need brakes on a go kart?
[17:34:19] <furrywolf> I once had 4 jeep cherokee disc brakes on a pedal-powered machine... :P
[17:34:58] <PetefromTn_> they would work great for a big weighted eccentric wheel setup
[17:35:01] <PetefromTn_> flywheel
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[17:41:21] <furrywolf> we're going to rebuild that machine to use two subaru brakes instead. a lot lighter.
[17:44:45] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: I guess you've never seen a gocart with a 350 on it =)
[17:45:24] <PetefromTn_> I would rather have a Go Kart with a shifter Kart 250 or 500CC dirtbike motor on it ;)
[17:45:35] <PetefromTn_> never really thought too much of the damn 350 LOL
[17:45:40] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: That's INCHES, not CC
[17:46:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah big heavy slow chevy inches ;)
[17:46:23] <furrywolf> zee would probably build a 13b kart. :P
[17:46:35] <Wolf_Mill> if you listen hard you can hear the chevy rusting
[17:46:45] <PetefromTn_> and leaking
[17:47:05] <furrywolf> karts might be one application where a rotary isn't obviously a bad idea.
[17:47:54] <PetefromTn_> I was watching youtube videos yesterday of Mazda MIata's with built single turbo rotaries.... same difference ;)
[17:48:05] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Did you see the CalFire drone link?
[17:48:29] <furrywolf> I saw something possibly the same a while ago, so didn't bother clicking it.
[17:48:37] <Jymmm> furrywolf: k
[17:48:52] <furrywolf> it made the news here a lot. heh.
[17:49:19] <Wolf_Mill> wasnt one of the drones a gov one?
[17:49:27] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Ah, I had never heard that before. Another reason to bitchslap those drone bastards
[17:50:01] <furrywolf> the suggestion here is to equip firefighters with shotguns and have them practice skeet shooting. :P
[17:50:19] <Jymmm> I say fishing net guns
[17:50:40] <Wolf_Mill> lot of the drone noise in the news is just total bullshit
[17:50:59] <Jymmm> I think net guns are legal per FAA to fire from aircraft
[17:51:19] <furrywolf> fucking harbor freight. I bought a new fuel pressure/vacuum gauge because mine seemed to have wandered off. the photos show brass fittings. it has plastic fittings.
[17:51:27] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: CalFire will ground all aircraft if drones are being flown in the fire zone.
[17:52:34] <Wolf_Mill> yeah, the first event they were reporting about needing to ground the fire fighting efforts was a mil or gov drone, not some hobby drone
[17:52:55] <Jymmm> Wolf_Mill: http://www.fire.ca.gov/communications/communications_ifyouflywecant.php
[17:53:00] <furrywolf> I thought they decided it was a news drone?
[17:53:30] <Wolf_Mill> no idea
[17:53:51] <PetefromTn_> better get used to it...RC drones are becoming more and more capable every day
[17:54:09] <furrywolf> grrrrrrrr. fucking harbor freight! and the gauge reads 9inhg vacuum with nothing connected to it.
[17:54:11] <furrywolf> I hate china.
[17:54:13] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: So are RF Jammers =)
[17:55:01] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Ace hardward has liquid filled pressure gauges for $5.99
[17:55:19] <Wolf_Mill> I know nothing about drones... http://i.imgur.com/jDR3LwU.jpg
[17:55:20] <Jymmm> or at least mine does.
[17:55:21] <furrywolf> do they have 10PSI gauges?
[17:55:34] <Jymmm> furrywolf: 16 was the lowest iirc
[17:55:56] <Jymmm> or at least my Ace has them.
[17:56:20] <furrywolf> I haven't seen anything other than 100psi and 160psi gauges at ace here.
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[17:56:40] <Jymmm> They had 16 to 200psi
[17:56:49] <furrywolf> I should just stop ever buying chinese products. Why does it seem at least half of them are defective, and the other half fail the first time you use them?
[17:56:51] <Jymmm> Even had a 60PSI with 1psi increments
[17:57:07] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Well, that's HF mostly
[17:57:14] <furrywolf> I'm going to go return this to harbor freight, then buy a US-made gauge elsewhere.
[17:57:28] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Good luck FINDING a USA made one.
[17:57:28] <furrywolf> no, it's all chinese products from any source. I don't shop at HF that often.
[17:57:58] <archivist> open gauge remove pointer(pull) move pointer to 0, push back on
[17:58:46] <furrywolf> archivist: it's not my job to repair defective products. it should have been assembled correctly at the factory. if it moved, it's likely there's something damaged/defective internally.
[17:59:20] <archivist> quicker to fix that get a new one :)
[17:59:54] <furrywolf> I'm so fucking sick of chinese products.
[17:59:57] <Wolf_Mill> thought thats expected when buying HF tools, fix before using
[18:00:48] <furrywolf> hrmm. NAPA does indeed have a US-made fuel pressure+vacuum gauge. it's $300.
[18:01:00] <furrywolf> http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx/Fuel-Pressure-Gauge/_/R-OTC6754_0476948922
[18:01:16] <Wolf_Mill> probably need to order it also...
[18:02:34] <furrywolf> that's just offensive. you want US-made, so we're going to charge a 1000% markup.
[18:03:12] <archivist> it actually gets a calibration!
[18:05:10] <Jymmm> furrywolf: http://www.homedepot.com/p/DANCO-0-15-psi-1-10-Increment-Gas-Test-Gauge-94352/100180536
[18:07:10] <furrywolf> and I should care what homedepot has why? lol
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[18:07:46] <furrywolf> this gauge doesn't seem easily disassemblable. also, looking at it, I'm wondering if it isn't defective by design, and if I ask them for a replacement, I'll open it up to find the same problem.
[18:09:25] <furrywolf> on the face, zero is at around the 10:00 position. but the needle zeroes around the 7:00 position, where a normal gauge has zero. what do you figure the odds are that someone stuck the wrong faces on the wrong gauges, and simply didn't give a fuck and shipped them out anyway?
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[18:13:52] <furrywolf> "I returned two of those before deciding to just get my money back
[18:13:53] <furrywolf> there is no adjustment to set the needle to zero, they were both off by about 7psi at 0
[18:13:53] <furrywolf> too frustrating to deal with"
[18:15:31] <furrywolf> I guess I'll have to go yell at my neighbor, because he's STILL parked blocking my driveway.
[18:16:02] <t12> dang pretty good at the fleamarket today
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[18:18:44] <furrywolf> neighbor doesn't seem to be around. I might just have to back up pickup into the side of his growmobile.
[18:19:09] <furrywolf> let's leave a vehicle blocking someone's driveway and wander off!
[18:19:32] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/ujvefwu82lw1vvw/AACy9TaoacCJeQ_nn3JVQkqHa
[18:19:43] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Just strip it and leave it on the rims =)
[18:20:23] <redlegion> furrywolf: doooo eeeeeet
[18:20:32] <redlegion> do all of the above
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[18:30:24] <Jymmm> I'm thinking of getting one of these http://www.amazon.com/DuroMax-XP4400EH-Portable-Generator-4400-Watt/dp/B009RBKGZC
[18:32:58] <furrywolf> chinese garbage.
[18:34:04] <Jymmm> Company that's selling it is out of SoCal, and I read they have great customer service.
[18:34:14] <furrywolf> buy a honda or a yamaha.
[18:34:29] <Jymmm> propane ?
[18:34:38] <furrywolf> they're selling a generator that's illegal to sell in california from california? :P
[18:34:51] <Wolf_> yeah, why spend $550 when you can get better for $1500
[18:35:04] <Jymmm> Yep, so you buy it off ebay instead =)
[18:35:18] <furrywolf> Wolf_: because those chinese units last about as long as one oil change does on a honda.
[18:35:21] <Jymmm> (same price)
[18:35:46] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I have yet to see a factory honda with propane
[18:35:56] <furrywolf> (disclaimer: I own 19 honda generators)
[18:36:00] <Wolf_> funny thing, have a 5kw yamaha, won’t start, have a 6kw china propane thing, runs fine
[18:36:17] <Jymmm> Wolf_: which one?
[18:36:47] <furrywolf> generator repair is one of the many hats I wear... and I'd never buy anything but a honda now. :P
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[18:37:05] <Wolf_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004BKI0ZM
[18:37:09] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Only cause you bought a coule pallets of broken ones.
[18:37:21] <furrywolf> Jymmm: no, I owned three honda generators before that. :P
[18:37:50] <furrywolf> I gave away all my non-hondas as not worth owning.
[18:37:51] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I have my EU2000i, but its gas only and the tru-fuel kit of $200
[18:38:02] <Jymmm> tri-fuel*
[18:38:16] <Jymmm> and only 120
[18:39:05] <Jymmm> Wolf_: how loud?
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[18:39:33] <Wolf_> loud as a 13hp motor
[18:39:45] <furrywolf> my EU6500ises (both of them) are almost silent.
[18:40:12] <furrywolf> I'll sell one of them if you have $2000 spare. :)
[18:40:12] <Jymmm> furrywolf: are they propane?
[18:40:19] <furrywolf> propane kit is around $300
[18:41:11] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Show me it running on propane and I'll give you $1500
[18:41:37] <furrywolf> nope. it's worth a lot more than that.
[18:41:38] <renesis> for the generator? or for showing it to you?
[18:41:38] <furrywolf> 2k is a good price.
[18:43:28] <furrywolf> lol
[18:44:00] <furrywolf> I'll convert one of my EU3000ises to propane and sell it to you for $1500. :P
[18:44:17] <Jymmm> I still have to figure out out to connect it up. I havne't even had a chance to go thru the panel yet and makr out all the circuits
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[18:44:47] <Jymmm> All these twist lock connectors confuse me
[18:45:24] <Tom_itx> you push in and twist
[18:46:14] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Ah, thanks! So if the four prong doens't fit in a 3 prog, get a igger hammer?
[18:46:22] <Jymmm> bigger*
[18:46:26] <Tom_itx> exactly
[18:46:43] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I tried that, still didn't work
[18:46:44] <Tom_itx> that probably has to do with amperage or such on the plug
[18:46:54] <Wolf_> just snip the extra prong off
[18:46:55] <Tom_itx> mine has twistlock connectors
[18:47:27] <Tom_itx> i made a plug so i just plug it in an outlet and back feed after i disconnect the mains
[18:47:42] <Tom_itx> nice heavy welder outlet
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[18:48:54] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: like this one http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/7182N7LKF6L._SL1500_.jpg
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[18:49:04] <Tom_itx> longest outtage i've had here was around 10-14 days
[18:49:25] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: how big is your generator?
[18:49:33] <Tom_itx> umm
[18:49:36] <Tom_itx> 5600?
[18:49:39] <Tom_itx> 8k surge
[18:49:42] <Tom_itx> i think
[18:49:59] <Tom_itx> i don't try to run everything
[18:50:10] <brianmorel99> Anyone have a recommendation for a 3D probe? Don't mind paying for quality, but not up in the Renishaw range.
[18:50:10] <Tom_itx> freezers etc and a few lights
[18:50:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Are you running anythign 220V off it during an outage?
[18:50:17] <Tom_itx> no
[18:50:27] <Jymmm> range electric or gas?
[18:50:28] <Tom_itx> no reason to
[18:50:31] <Tom_itx> i could
[18:50:40] <Tom_itx> but those are 110 on the burners
[18:50:49] <Jymmm> REALLY?!
[18:50:52] <furrywolf> backfeeding an outlet is bad. use a proper inlet and transfer switch.
[18:50:53] <Tom_itx> measure it
[18:51:01] <Jymmm> I've never seen 110V burners
[18:51:01] <Tom_itx> they split them across the buss
[18:51:03] <Tom_itx> i think
[18:51:15] <Tom_itx> maybe not..
[18:51:31] <Tom_itx> i never really touched the leads to find out
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[18:51:36] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I would , if the cost was reasonable
[18:52:00] <Tom_itx> furrywolf, for the few times i need it, it's fine
[18:52:17] <Tom_itx> i'm not gonna spend the cash for a transfer switch
[18:52:32] <furrywolf> until you electrocute some poor lineman.
[18:52:41] <Tom_itx> you didn't read what i posted
[18:52:43] <archivist> brianmorel99, if you try hard and watch ebay a lot you can get sensible price renishaw
[18:52:44] <furrywolf> whoops, forgot to switch the breaker off.
[18:52:45] <Jymmm> I'd happily add in a lockout plate if I could find one for these service pole(S)
[18:52:46] <Tom_itx> i disconnect the mains
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[18:52:57] <Tom_itx> never gonna happen
[18:53:01] <furrywolf> yes. hence why I said forgot.
[18:53:01] <Wolf_> squareD makes a transfer switch lockout plate for back feeding
[18:53:04] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: define "disconnect" ?
[18:53:18] <Jymmm> flip the main breaker, or ???
[18:53:26] <Tom_itx> that's what i do
[18:53:31] <archivist> brianmorel99, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221854999870 :)
[18:54:07] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: There is a lockout plate and it's legal to use, but has to be provided by the panel mfg
[18:54:09] <furrywolf> forgetting happens, relatives/wives/husbands/kids/etc happens, etc. then your generator makes 12kv.
[18:54:11] <Jymmm> mrf
[18:54:12] <archivist> brianmorel99, and this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271934477389
[18:55:05] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Yes, I honestly do realize that. But it's cost prohibative for it's temp usage
[18:55:17] <furrywolf> lol, on the last generator someone pasted...
[18:55:17] <furrywolf> Q:
[18:55:17] <furrywolf> Why can't this unit be sold in California?
[18:55:17] <furrywolf> A:
[18:55:18] <furrywolf> Nutty fruitcake Californians and their emission control crap
[18:55:22] <Jymmm> furrywolf: I'm happy to add a lockout plate if I coould find one though.
[18:55:33] <brianmorel99> archivist: It's just going to be used on my X2 mini mill. Wouldn't mind it though. Seems I need to search harder, or move to the UK :)
[18:55:34] <Jymmm> furrywolf: CARB bullshit
[18:55:42] <archivist> not the "calibrated" was a lie it was last done in 2003
[18:56:17] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, that's just a silly plate that slides over the breakers
[18:56:19] <archivist> brianmorel99, just takes time, been watching for ages
[18:56:48] <brianmorel99> archivist, ya, I see probes alone that are more than those you posted.
[18:57:00] <furrywolf> the box for my outback inverters came with a silly plate... it seems to do its job. not having mains, I don't need it, but it's there. heh.
[18:57:00] <archivist> brianmorel99, might as well make your own for a machine like that
[18:57:26] <archivist> those two I won :)
[18:58:06] <brianmorel99> archivist, Ya, I could make my one, but if a decent one can be had for $150 or less, I'd probably just buy one.
[18:58:20] <archivist> brianmorel99, pretty sure the second (earlier) is not actually a renishaw
[18:58:58] <brianmorel99> archivist, Focused on getting the power supply and servo drive for the servo I just got of eBay last week. To replace the spindle motor.
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[19:06:41] <dgmurdockiii> what do i need on a cnc nechine to be able to cut aluminum
[19:07:29] <archivist> sufficiently rigid frame
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[19:07:48] <archivist> sharp tools
[19:08:51] <dgmurdockiii> k
[19:08:52] <archivist> some lubricant helps especially with a pure aluminium (it sticks to the endmill)
[19:09:18] <Tom_itx> that's the simplified version
[19:09:27] <archivist> :)
[19:09:38] <dgmurdockiii> what cnc router bits?
[19:10:01] <archivist> 0 backlash in your screws if you want to climb mill (best finish)
[19:10:22] <dgmurdockiii> 'O' Flute
[19:10:48] <archivist> use endmills not wood router bits
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[19:14:09] * ganzuul wants an endless supply of precision ground blanks.
[19:18:13] <Wolf_> inserts… gonna wish, do it bigger
[19:20:04] <ganzuul> https://youtu.be/5OcQddOEMnM?t=9m6s
[19:20:39] * furrywolf wants an endless supply of money too
[19:20:51] <ganzuul> Does this mean the dovetail gib only wedges the surfaces together, and should not actually counter any lateral force?
[19:21:12] * Wolf_ has a endless supply of bills....
[19:21:30] <ganzuul> So you'd essentially best lock it with a cam to increase the pressure between the sliding surfaces?
[19:22:11] <archivist> not the real tubalcain he dead
[19:22:23] <ganzuul> =O
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[19:22:37] <ganzuul> archivist is old. Older tan dirt.
[19:22:44] <ganzuul> All they had were rocks.
[19:23:10] <archivist> was a UK writer in Model Engineer
[19:24:59] <ganzuul> Wikipedia says he's character from the Hebrew bible.
[19:25:14] <ganzuul> ~a
[19:26:07] <archivist> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Walshaw
[19:32:02] <ganzuul> Found a torrent for that magazine... Dunno how you guys feel about piracy/digital archiving.
[19:33:47] <ganzuul> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:24BA420310466E73CD425B1008DE280C31DC6C12&dn=JWE+Model+Engineer+Scans&tr=http%3A%2F%2Finferno.demonoid.me%3A3416%2Fannounce
[19:35:51] <ganzuul> Not that expensive for a subscription.
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[19:44:58] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byu_X4Gcmcc
[19:45:08] <ganzuul> Like the bog iron of the sea
[19:47:42] <ganzuul> This idea has been around for decades though.
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[19:50:50] <t12> lol nice job with the pin
[19:50:51] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/jmquipj6rjai1s1/AAA0HoCzF7tTalE7x13mKD4La
[19:52:44] <ganzuul> Hammer time, every time.
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[20:10:19] <t12> to be fair i think the mated hole was drilled in place with it
[20:10:21] <t12> cause it fits
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[20:10:39] <t12> maybe the end support for feedrod + leadscrew is just too high/low/whatever
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[20:28:31] <gromits> I want to have an indication of some type (LED or other) in my Glade panel that tells me whether I am in G8 or G7 (radius or diameter mode). Is there a Hal widget show the active status of a G code?
[20:29:46] <rootB> So LinuxCNC
[20:29:53] <rootB> i've read upon the complicated scammy word of laser cutters
[20:29:55] <rootB> and boy
[20:30:24] <rootB> everything outside of epilog is either bad customer service or well made cons
[20:31:32] <ganzuul> Explain?
[20:32:31] <rootB> bad references for FSL, K40 blue chinese box being laser killing machines
[20:33:43] <rootB> Epilog machines replacement tubes being 4500 dollars
[20:33:51] <enleth> Mission accomplished: the control cabinet is back on the Bridgeport.
[20:34:07] <XXCoder> enleth: way to gio
[20:34:15] <enleth> That was the last thing to do.
[20:34:56] <enleth> Now I just have to reconnect everything, but I already did that once with the cabinet still on the pallet.
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[20:38:53] <enleth> The only heavy lifting left would be taking the table off once again to reinstall lube lines in the saddle.
[20:39:18] <enleth> But that's easy.
[20:40:13] <ganzuul> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coherent-40W-808nm-Laser-Diode-Bar-19-Emitter-DPSS-Pump-High-Power-Warranty/391246999921?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33203%26meid%3D6509f6d748e74757a742b0681d33f589%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D171887826106
[20:40:54] <ganzuul> No good for aluminium though.
[20:41:28] <SpeedEvil> yeah - well...
[20:41:35] <SpeedEvil> that's not as useful as you might think.
[20:41:53] <SpeedEvil> That is 19 emitters ~10*200um spaced at 500um or so.
[20:42:01] <ganzuul> ooh
[20:42:12] <SpeedEvil> you need a fibre bundle coupler and microlenses to properly couple it to a fibre bundle
[20:43:00] <enleth> Then I have to figure out what the hell is Spindle Interlock as understood by TNC 131.
[20:43:17] <Praesmeodymium> rootB: if your paying 45000 for a tube it better belarger than 110w the construction (see reci tubes) of the larger wattages extends the life significantly, under 80w they tend to have lifesapns in the 2000 hour and under range, over 110 they tend to have 10k+ hour ratings
[20:46:06] <enleth> When I tested the machine at the seller's place, I was able to switch the operating mode to automatic and get it to execute commands. Now any attempt to use a mode different than manual (with the TNC as a DRO) ends up in a critical fault, "spindle interlock defective". But this machine doesn't have anything I'd call a spindle interlock.
[20:46:17] <t12> its not that hard to couple them
[20:46:26] <t12> just dont mess up!
[20:46:40] <rootB> Praesmeodymium, im going ot check it out when the time comes
[20:47:08] <rootB> I read the reddit and various sites about lasercutting, they seem to recommend an specific chinese brand or a seller who refurbishes them into useful machines
[20:47:18] <rootB> or cutters form a company called BOSS
[20:47:20] <enleth> I suspect that it may be configuration-dependent, I messed a lot with machine parameters to get it running.
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[20:49:59] <rootB> enleth, is there any site to find used machinery?
[20:50:17] <rootB> I mean, for me it's a 2 step logistic operation, buy it and bring it to Mexico safe and sound.
[20:51:25] <enleth> rootB: well, I'm in Central Europe, so any experience I have may not be of any particular use to you
[20:51:47] <rootB> oh crap
[20:51:48] <Praesmeodymium> craigslist seems to be popular in here
[20:52:03] <rootB> Praesmeodymium, the closest area for me is san diego
[20:52:13] <Praesmeodymium> but these guys know what they are looking at and what its worth waaay better than I do
[20:52:51] <enleth> Which incidentally means that I was extremely lucky to buy a used CNC Bridgeport over here.
[20:53:08] <enleth> A UK nade one, sure, but still.
[20:53:13] <rootB> oh well
[20:54:02] <enleth> All I usually got when lookong for a mill was some old soviet shit.
[20:54:48] <enleth> Any Bridgeport older than 1990s must have been imported already second-hand in the 90s or later.
[20:55:07] <rootB> my school had these weird ass chinese mills
[20:55:15] <rootB> and craftman mindustrial drill presses
[20:56:12] <rootB> https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/tls/5215192939.html
[20:56:13] <rootB> actually
[20:56:15] <rootB> they had this
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[21:01:18] <gromits> Another config question... Can one display the current feed rate in the DRO section of Axis?
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[21:06:21] <JT-Shop> no, but you can in PyVCP
[21:07:53] <JT-Shop> motion.requested-vel
[21:08:26] <gromits> Ok, thanks JT
[21:09:01] <rootB> I always thought you were a really closed community, linuxCNC
[21:09:07] <rootB> I never had a nice experience here.
[21:09:48] <JT-Shop> ???
[21:10:44] <gromits> JT-Shop: do you know if there is a way to display Active Gcodes in pyvcp (actually Glade but...)? I want to display which is active on my lathe: G7 or G8?
[21:11:26] <JT-Shop> hmm, the only way I know of is to use the python interface
[21:11:40] <JT-Shop> if your using GladeVCP then that should be easy
[21:11:51] <XXCoder> rootB: hardly!
[21:11:55] <gromits> Yes, using GladeVCP
[21:11:59] <XXCoder> just that channel gets quiet at times
[21:12:26] <gromits> Hmm, will look at python interface info. thanks.
[21:12:33] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/python-interface.html#_linuxcnc_stat_attributes
[21:12:56] <JT-Shop> gcodes
[21:12:57] <JT-Shop> (returns tuple of 16 integers) - currently active G-codes.
[21:14:02] <XXCoder> check this out https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/nasa_graphics_manual_nhb_1430-2_jan_1976.pdf
[21:14:13] <XXCoder> NASA logo standards. suprising interesting
[21:14:22] <gromits> Thx
[21:14:22] <XXCoder> 60s or 70s not too sure
[21:14:38] <XXCoder> ah 1976
[21:14:52] <XXCoder> jan 2nd 1976. its published 18 days before I was born lol
[21:15:24] <Praesmeodymium> its a room full of techinical experts and they are always closed seeming to non experts, we ask questions that make no sense and are hard to answer which is both irritating and frustrating, same goes for #reprap
[21:16:00] <Wolf_> heh, least I know that someone in here is older then I am :P
[21:18:31] <XXCoder> Wolf_: its VERY hard to be THE oldest
[21:18:36] <XXCoder> same for youngest
[21:18:45] <Wolf_> :D
[21:19:00] <XXCoder> everyone has been youngest for milliseconds
[21:19:11] <XXCoder> but oldest yeah 99.99% never reach there
[21:19:29] <XXCoder> (made up numbers but pretty true)
[21:19:39] <renesis> moar nines
[21:19:46] <Wolf_> well ya have me beat by 8 months
[21:25:16] <XXCoder> Wolf_: https://2f5553c27b4a1eaa4c181720e143fb92b5c72544.googledrive.com/host/0B2GQktu-wcTiZlAyTTFEaFVuOUk/
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[21:29:24] <XXCoder> rootB: check this out http://hackaday.com/2015/09/13/building-a-3d-printed-laser-tube/
[21:30:09] <rootB> nice
[21:30:28] <enleth> rootB: how would you define a nice experience?
[21:30:45] <malcom2073> zeeshan: ping
[21:30:54] <Praesmeodymium> heh I know that guy and that wont work btw at least not in that incarbnation
[21:31:11] <Praesmeodymium> it will arc for a second then poison itself
[21:32:07] <Praesmeodymium> thenn need to replace the gas so he need to add some kind of vacuum pocess to both rarify and exchange the atmosphere in the tube
[21:32:11] <enleth> rootB: I'm completely new here and I think it's far from closed or unwelcoming.
[21:32:40] <XXCoder> rootB: in least here dont assume person is a troll unlike some channels
[21:32:43] <XXCoder> like ##java
[21:32:51] <rootB> oh well
[21:32:55] <XXCoder> to those mods new == troll
[21:33:27] * Wolf_ doesn’t troll… much
[21:33:30] <enleth> rootB: although my view could be influenced by the fact that I'm an active member of a hackerspace, and hackerspaces are known for a rather "abrasive" atmosphere. I'm used to that.
[21:33:40] <malcom2073> Also a lot of it is your attitude. I had a terrible experience here until I changed my attitude around, people are much nicer now heh
[21:34:00] <Praesmeodymium> oh heh he totlly took my suggestions lol
[21:34:19] <XXCoder> Praesmeodymium: the pulse laser guy?
[21:34:25] <Praesmeodymium> yeaj kreature
[21:34:47] <Praesmeodymium> we were talking about it in repap and I told him to hook up an actual pump etc
[21:36:12] <Praesmeodymium> I hadnt seen the update he's doing all kinds of neat shit though, like a tiny tiny little 3dprinter hotend, and a mixing hotend, and some rostock system he designed getting kitted up by a company
[21:42:56] <XXCoder> interesting
[21:44:05] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:57:06] <XXCoder> sigh I have feeling drones will be banned evenually
[21:57:13] <XXCoder> due to all retards not being careful with em
[21:57:26] <XXCoder> one guy crashed one into football stdium
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[22:11:45] <JT-Shop> troll?
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[22:12:56] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: are you meaning the tennis one, or something else?
[22:12:57] <JT-Shop> malcom2073, yea starting out with negative vibes doesn't make them want to help
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[22:21:37] <malcom2073> JT-Shop: It's not just that, starting out with a confident vibe doesn't help either. You have to start out saying you're an idiot, and stroke the community ego to get anywhere :P
[22:23:08] <JT-Shop> well if you mean a know it all attitude yea who wants to help a know it all... he knows it already :)
[22:23:54] <malcom2073> Nope, not what I meant at all
[22:24:15] <JT-Shop> oh, then I misread
[22:24:40] <malcom2073> The difference between confidence, and know-it-all, is being correct :P
[22:25:06] <JT-Shop> lol yep
[22:25:44] * JT-Shop goes to fire up the barbie
[22:25:58] <malcom2073> Wow, I've been doing machine stuff too long. I totally read that as lathe
[22:27:08] <JT-Shop> too many chips in your hair
[22:27:22] <malcom2073> I wish! I haven't actually been making chips for a couple weeks
[22:27:40] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[22:29:12] <Tom_itx> but but..
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[22:54:29] <Loetmichel> back at home. maaan, 200km++ (125 miles) in POURING rain at night is no fun. You dont see shit and the car begins to waterski if you go faster than 140kmh (85mph)
[22:54:56] <Tom_itx> been there
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[23:09:19] <PetefromTn_> Woohoo my wife made us a big batch of Snickerdoodles! Gonna have a few while the machine makes some more Steyr Rails ;)
[23:11:01] <Tom_itx> i'm partial to rice crispie treats
[23:11:39] <PetefromTn_> Ooh I like those too. She makes those occasionally but its kind of a sticky mess with the kids LOL
[23:11:56] <Praesmeodymium> I like oatmeal raisin best recipe is the one uder the lid of the quaker oats box
[23:12:06] <Tom_itx> yeah those are good
[23:12:25] <Tom_itx> finally think i got the mill back in one piece
[23:12:40] <Tom_itx> ran a couple test programs with no problems so far
[23:12:49] <PetefromTn_> did not know you took it apart
[23:12:51] <Tom_itx> pendant is doing what it's supposed to
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[23:12:58] <Tom_itx> i rebuilt the whole control
[23:13:13] <Tom_itx> added rev to the spindle & encoder etc
[23:13:19] <Tom_itx> updated some pendant code
[23:14:46] <PetefromTn_> you got it wired now huh
[23:14:48] <Tom_itx> got sync motion working / rigid tapping
[23:15:12] <Tom_itx> i need to find some better buttons for the pendant
[23:15:16] <SpeedEvil> http://imgur.com/gallery/KoHmHx7 move over segway
[23:17:27] <Praesmeodymium> thos walker legs omg
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[23:19:15] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSKyHmjyrkA
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[23:43:28] <malcom2073> Tom_itx: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9336
[23:43:33] <malcom2073> :P
[23:43:47] * furrywolf is a kinetic sculptor of a different variety. ( http://kineticgrandchampionship.com/ )
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[23:46:19] <Tom_itx> gonna try to find something smaller
[23:48:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Anti-Vandal-Momentary-Stainless-Steel-Metal-Push-Button-Car-Switch-Flat-Top-16mm-/381133647700?hash=item58bd55ef54
[23:49:48] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://search.ebay.com/anti+vandal+button
[23:50:07] <furrywolf> "ul verified" uh-huh.
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[23:50:12] <PetefromTn_> OOh I like that stainless one
[23:50:30] <PetefromTn_> the red lighted one I mean.
[23:50:37] <Tom_itx> looks flush though
[23:50:45] <Tom_itx> and still a bit bigger than i'd like
[23:52:08] <PetefromTn_> I was talking about for ME LOL
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[23:53:43] <furrywolf> I don't know if any of those leg designs could be made with strength/weight/cost ratios suitable for the kinetic sculptures here.
[23:53:53] <furrywolf> anything fragile WILL break. so will many non-fragile things.
[23:54:31] <furrywolf> I've seen 1.5" shaft twisted off, motorcycle gearboxes stripped, 80 chain broken, etc. :)
[23:54:43] <malcom2073> furrywolf: I blew up one ofmy servo drives today
[23:54:54] <furrywolf> did you figure out how yet?
[23:55:06] <furrywolf> don't do that again. :)
[23:55:14] <malcom2073> Nope. Checked voltages and connections before I plugged it in, everything was well within spec
[23:55:33] <malcom2073> None of the components look burned, but there was a huge spark, smoke, and something flew off the board
[23:56:19] <furrywolf> heh
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