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[15:30:25] <Tom_itx> if it's direct drive, jamming a stop in the blade would also damage the motor
[15:31:35] <zeeshan> saw stop is a great in theory
[15:31:38] <zeeshan> -a
[15:31:42] <zeeshan> but not practical
[15:31:54] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx actually it is quite a bit more complex that it appears. Not only does the blade stop jam into the spinning blade but the whole mechanism drops out of the bottom removing the blade from sight
[15:32:08] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I could not disagree with that statement more I am sorry man
[15:32:28] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: ill tell you why i think the way i do
[15:32:31] <PetefromTn_> If I could afford one when I was building cabinets I would absolutely have one
[15:32:39] <zeeshan> i feel like it forces people to be careless
[15:32:45] <PetefromTn_> and to be honest it goes beyond the safety
[15:32:49] <zeeshan> so the people that woulda cut their finger off on the table saw
[15:32:52] <PetefromTn_> the saws are VERY well made
[15:33:02] <PetefromTn_> and have a lot of features that make them nicer saws to run than most
[15:33:05] <zeeshan> would cut their finger off on another device :P
[15:33:13] <PetefromTn_> probably
[15:33:26] <zeeshan> its like abs
[15:33:31] <PetefromTn_> but I think when you run saws all day every day for years
[15:33:32] <zeeshan> when abs came out, it was a great invention
[15:33:38] <PetefromTn_> you would probably feel differently
[15:33:54] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i've seen em work
[15:33:56] <zeeshan> but the stats of crashes went back up after a decade cause people felt safer
[15:33:58] <zeeshan> so they drove faster
[15:34:20] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: yes i value your opinion more than mine :P
[15:34:20] <PetefromTn_> the funny thing tho is that I have had accidents with table saws several times in the many years of making cabinets
[15:34:26] <zeeshan> i havent done any wood working really
[15:34:27] <PetefromTn_> and I never came into contact with the blade
[15:34:52] <Tom_itx> my plans are to die with all 10 digits
[15:34:53] <PetefromTn_> what hurt me every time was the workpiece either hitting me or cutting me not the blade
[15:35:02] <PetefromTn_> heh that's everyone PLAN
[15:35:13] <zeeshan> F that
[15:35:18] <PetefromTn_> I have several friends I worked with that are missing digits
[15:35:18] <zeeshan> my plan is to die in a full out race car crash
[15:35:23] <zeeshan> easiest way out
[15:35:32] <zeeshan> ill prolly be in pieces
[15:35:40] <Tom_itx> don't care to burn to death personally
[15:35:45] <zeeshan> :P
[15:36:44] <zeeshan> i think the #1 key to be safe
[15:36:48] <zeeshan> is just have fear
[15:36:54] <zeeshan> when im trying new setups
[15:36:57] <zeeshan> im really far away
[15:37:01] <PetefromTn_> to be honest the shaper is probably the most dangerous machine in the woodshop due to the way it is used and the large pieces you often cut. But the majority of operations we did with them used powerful three or four wheel power feed units
[15:37:01] <zeeshan> and im expecting something bad to happen
[15:37:09] <Tom_itx> not fear.. caution
[15:37:27] <PetefromTn_> the number one key is to UNDERSTAND where the dangers are and what can happen and why
[15:37:31] <zeeshan> omg i gotta share this with you guys
[15:37:36] <Wolf_Mill> heh, amazon is buggy...
[15:37:37] <zeeshan> and i bet youve prolly noticed it too
[15:37:46] <zeeshan> i had a customer over yesterday night and i was finishin gup his part
[15:37:49] <zeeshan> asap i turned on the milkl
[15:37:52] <zeeshan> the guy took 3 steps back
[15:38:00] <zeeshan> and my face was right near the machine cause i was touching off
[15:38:02] <malcom2073> Man, watching Matthias Wandel makes me wanna do wood working
[15:38:04] <malcom2073> I need to stop that
[15:38:06] <PetefromTn_> I think most accidents happen when you are in a hurry or not concentrating on what you are doing
[15:38:06] <zeeshan> have you guys noticed that? :D
[15:38:07] <zeeshan> hahaha
[15:38:29] <Tom_itx> yeah, especially when engineering types visit the shop floor
[15:38:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have had customers in the shop do the same thing
[15:38:44] <zeeshan> so that means we're already too comfortable! :P
[15:38:46] <malcom2073> Always stand one step behind the machinest, never in front :P
[15:38:48] <PetefromTn_> as soon as the spindle comes on the step back a couple feet LOL
[15:39:06] <PetefromTn_> probably a good practice ;)
[15:39:08] <SpeedEvil> meatshields are the best guards.
[15:39:09] <zeeshan> haha
[15:39:14] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: rofl
[15:39:30] <Tom_itx> wait till a 6" shell mill hits the workpiece and watch em scatter
[15:39:34] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n7PICO3vyo TM1
[15:40:03] <PetefromTn_> we had a 6" mill on the VF6 at the last place I worked .... That is some serious cutting power LOL
[15:40:10] <Wolf_Mill> 4mm to 1/4npt push fittings from amazon $5.32 for 2 :)
[15:41:03] <Tom_itx> we didn't use it alot because it took so many inserts
[15:41:17] <PetefromTn_> I know right...
[15:41:27] <PetefromTn_> takes awhile to swap those babies out
[15:41:35] <Tom_itx> cost wise a smaller one is just as effective i think
[15:41:54] <PetefromTn_> true but its nice to make ONE pass sometimes
[15:42:14] <Wolf_Mill> now I just need to knock a pickup tube/2nd outlet in to this housing and I'll be set to run misting by monday night
[15:42:17] <PetefromTn_> I need to buy a better chamfer tool
[15:42:34] <Tom_itx> i can't prove it but i think you get less warpage with multiple smaller passes
[15:42:49] <Tom_itx> it may stress the metal more internally
[15:42:51] <PetefromTn_> warpage? whats that ;)
[15:44:34] <zeeshan> that tm1 is eating aluminum
[15:45:08] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: Nice mill
[15:45:17] <PetefromTn_> oh its not mine
[15:45:26] <malcom2073> I know
[15:45:27] <PetefromTn_> I was just showing what the guys have at that shop local to me
[15:45:32] <zeeshan> how dare you dis pete like that
[15:45:32] <zeeshan> :P
[15:45:35] <malcom2073> HAha
[15:45:35] <PetefromTn_> its a decent machine I think
[15:45:49] <PetefromTn_> I would not trade my CInci for it tho ;)
[15:45:55] <zeeshan> pete's machine could mill a hm1
[15:45:56] <zeeshan> tm1
[15:46:08] <PetefromTn_> meh its good for me
[15:46:29] <PetefromTn_> I could run a lot faster than that machine is in the video tho...
[15:46:32] <malcom2073> I'm debating if I want to do the flood coolant setup on my machine
[15:46:34] <malcom2073> it has provisions for it
[15:46:40] <PetefromTn_> what machine?
[15:46:46] <malcom2073> Clausing FV-1
[15:47:34] <PetefromTn_> If I had one of those nice knee mill CNC machines I would certainly build a nice big sheetmetal table enclosure for it
[15:47:58] <malcom2073> Yeah I plan on doing an enclosure either way
[15:48:07] <malcom2073> the table has drains for flood coolant, and a pump/basin inside
[15:48:16] <PetefromTn_> I am jealous of that damn cordless renishaw tho :D
[15:48:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah most knee mills do
[15:48:26] <malcom2073> Haha that does look awesome
[15:49:24] <Tom_itx> our okumas had wireless renishaw on em
[15:49:38] <Tom_itx> pretty nice
[15:49:41] <PetefromTn_> everything nowadays has it seems like
[15:57:23] <malcom2073> I jsut want a normal wired probe heh
[15:58:13] <Wolf_Mill> hey zeeshan, I'll let ya know how the relay control works out
[15:59:02] <Wolf_Mill> ordered a cheap 4 channel relay board that uses 5v logic and low signal to activate
[15:59:27] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wago-788-304-DIN-Mount-Relay-24VDC-16-Amp-Tyco-RT314024-/360948169328?ssPageName=ADME%3AL%3AOU%3ACA%3A1120&nma=true&si=real5KfMHYToDfz0zbFgggDaxu8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
[15:59:30] <zeeshan> i bought these a while ago
[15:59:32] <zeeshan> i wish i bought more
[16:00:26] <jdh> but more
[16:00:51] <Wolf_Mill> I think I have some of those in my shop in a bag somewhere
[16:01:01] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, SP or DP?
[16:01:04] <zeeshan> do you ?
[16:01:05] <zeeshan> will yous ell?!
[16:01:21] <Wolf_Mill> might not be the same thing...
[16:01:22] <zeeshan> i really love the led on them
[16:01:35] <zeeshan> SP
[16:01:39] <zeeshan> http://assets.suredone.com/1742/media-photos/49784-wago-788-304-din-mount-relay-24vdc-16-amp-tyco-rt314024-9.jpg
[16:02:03] <Tom_itx> 5v or 24v?
[16:02:08] <zeeshan> 24
[16:02:08] <Tom_itx> those would be handy
[16:02:13] <Tom_itx> :(
[16:03:27] <Tom_itx> good for industrial but not so much hobby
[16:04:03] <zeeshan> http://canada.newark.com/wago/788-304/din-mount-relay/dp/28K2303
[16:04:04] <zeeshan> found it
[16:04:07] <zeeshan> damn they're expensive
[16:04:40] <t12> din mount shit is way too expensive
[16:04:49] <Tom_itx> i agree
[16:04:50] <zeeshan> makes life so much easier though
[16:04:52] <t12> now i just try and pick up like $2 rails of it at the scrapyard and stash it
[16:05:03] <t12> metal scrapyard is great for electronics, because they're free
[16:05:04] <Tom_itx> the rails are cheap
[16:05:07] <t12> effectively
[16:05:11] <t12> i mean loaded rails
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[16:05:18] <Tom_itx> yeah good idea
[16:05:29] <t12> metal recyclers dont wanna deal with it
[16:05:38] <t12> they're recycling the thing its mounted to they just rip it off and trash it
[16:06:55] <malcom2073> I need to find a friendly scrapyard
[16:07:01] <malcom2073> none of the ones around here allow picking, only dropping stuff off
[16:07:22] <t12> the one i go to is like a transfer
[16:07:30] <t12> they buy insulated wire, cut the insulation off, resell
[16:07:51] <t12> fix some of their busted equipment and they are happy!
[16:08:17] <malcom2073> Nice
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[16:21:47] <zeeshan> anyone whos done wood working
[16:21:51] <zeeshan> need an opinion
[16:22:08] <zeeshan> i pilot drill a 1/4" hole 3.25" deep
[16:22:21] <zeeshan> then i jump to a 13/16 drill bit and drill 3" deep
[16:22:37] <zeeshan> problem is i have a bit of chip out at the entry of the hole
[16:22:46] <zeeshan> im using metal cutting drill bits
[16:22:57] <Tom_itx> fostner bits
[16:23:17] <zeeshan> i was thinking of regrinding it to a 140 degree angle
[16:23:49] <zeeshan> er
[16:23:51] <zeeshan> i mean 90 degrees
[16:23:52] <zeeshan> not 140 deg
[16:24:43] <zeeshan> or im thinking since in the prior op
[16:24:46] <zeeshan> i use a 1/8" drill bit
[16:25:02] <zeeshan> i was thinking of just pocketing about 3/8 deep (13/16 diameter)
[16:25:07] <zeeshan> but that adds time.
[16:25:31] <zeeshan> ill look into a fostener bit
[16:26:15] <zeeshan> hmmm
[16:26:18] <zeeshan> if i use a fostner bit
[16:26:24] <zeeshan> i won';t have to do one more tool change
[16:26:33] <zeeshan> cause i do drilling with 13/16 drill bitr (118 degree
[16:26:41] <zeeshan> and then tool change and use a flat bottom drill
[16:26:59] <Tom_itx> http://www.ptreeusa.com/forstner_bit_sets.htm
[16:27:02] <Tom_itx> 6 bux
[16:27:14] <Tom_itx> http://www.rockler.com/forstner-bit-extender
[16:27:21] <Tom_itx> another 6 if you need it
[16:27:33] <zeeshan> not worried about the cost to be honest
[16:27:36] <zeeshan> just trying to make life easier
[16:27:53] <zeeshan> and damn it it's forstener
[16:27:55] <zeeshan> not fostener :P
[16:27:59] <Tom_itx> those cut a nice edge on the hole
[16:28:02] <zeeshan> forstner
[16:28:09] <zeeshan> yes but what about chip out
[16:28:31] <Tom_itx> you gotta pre drill the hole?
[16:28:35] <SpeedEvil> cut drom both sides
[16:29:20] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: get a countersink
[16:29:34] <SpeedEvil> oh
[16:29:38] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/QS3HXem.png
[16:29:42] <zeeshan> the big bore
[16:29:44] <SpeedEvil> maybe not from 1/4 all the way to that
[16:29:47] <Tom_itx> drill it with an EM
[16:29:52] <zeeshan> no
[16:29:59] <Tom_itx> 4 flute
[16:30:03] <zeeshan> my current ops go:
[16:30:33] <zeeshan> facing 1-1/2 end mill, center drill, 1/4 drill, 13/16 drill, 13/16 flat bottom, 1/8 end mill
[16:30:44] <zeeshan> i wanna eliminate center drill
[16:30:51] <zeeshan> and replace 13/16 with 1 tool
[16:30:54] <Tom_itx> this has turned into zeeshan's weekend woodworking project now :)
[16:31:12] <zeeshan> nahh
[16:31:13] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: basically make a lip-spur bit.
[16:31:15] <zeeshan> just optimizing my tool paths
[16:32:17] <Tom_itx> you could eliminate 3 of those with a forstner bit
[16:32:24] <zeeshan> no
[16:32:27] <zeeshan> i need to do 1/4
[16:32:30] <zeeshan> see the geometry..
[16:32:35] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: no, you don't
[16:32:45] <SpeedEvil> If you make the forstner bit have a 1/4" nose
[16:32:46] <zeeshan> the 1/4 breaks through
[16:32:55] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: find me a tool like that
[16:32:56] <zeeshan> lol
[16:32:59] <zeeshan> im not building a tool
[16:33:14] <Tom_itx> they make bits like that for recessed cap screws
[16:33:16] <Tom_itx> silly
[16:33:34] <Tom_itx> find one of those the right size
[16:33:59] <zeeshan> they dont go deep enough
[16:34:30] <zeeshan> guy for my lathei s here
[16:34:31] <zeeshan> brb
[16:34:33] <zeeshan> bbl
[16:34:34] <Tom_itx> the one i have was ground from a drill bit
[16:35:35] <Tom_itx> any bets he'll need his lathe this afternoon?
[16:36:00] <SpeedEvil> :)
[16:42:45] <PetefromTn_> you really do not need to predrill with a good forstner bit
[16:43:14] <PetefromTn_> but 3 1/4 inch deep you may not find a bit that deep
[16:43:50] <Tom_itx> that's why i linked the extension
[16:43:58] <PetefromTn_> oh sorry did not see it
[16:44:00] <SpeedEvil> bar, hole, loctite
[16:44:12] <Tom_itx> or make your own extension
[16:44:19] <Tom_itx> i do quite frequently
[16:44:24] <Wolf_Mill> easy to do on the lathe
[16:44:28] <Wolf_Mill> :D
[16:44:32] <Tom_itx> hah!
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[16:51:24] <roycroft> i've drilled holes at pretty steep angles with forstner bits, and no pre-drilling or piloting is ever needed
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[17:06:46] <Jymmm> roycroft: Into what, silly putty? If it wasn't at 90 degree, lots of deflection =)
[17:08:19] <Tom_itx> nonsense
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[17:12:33] <Jymmm> What is a "jet" pump? I see mention of "shallow well" pumps, then of jet. Is that the same as water pressure pump?
[17:13:21] <enleth> geez, I hate the imperial threads in the bridgeport
[17:14:42] <Deejay> I hate imperial threads whereever they are ;)
[17:14:45] <enleth> I lost two threaded rods that attached the control box to the column and I have jack shit for a replacement, they're 5/16 or something and can't really be rethreaded for anything metric
[17:14:56] <enleth> I mean, the holes in the column
[17:15:24] <Jymmm> Well, get a metric mill then. Problem solved =)
[17:15:24] <enleth> too big for M8, too small for proper M10 and I don't want to drill it
[17:16:14] <archivist> UNF or UNC threads
[17:16:40] <enleth> I'm actually contemplating putting polymer wall anchros in there, with double-ended rods
[17:16:43] <archivist> which are the same as most of the american thread series
[17:17:01] <enleth> the ones where one side is a wood screw and the other has a machine thread
[17:17:39] <archivist> I would do it properly with the right thread, easy to get in the uk
[17:17:52] <enleth> archivist: the thing is, I want this done today and even on a proper weekday in the morning it's quite hard to get anything imperial where I live
[17:17:54] <Jymmm> What I hate of pipe/plumbing threads. There has to be at least 20 different type of threads, it's pathetic!
[17:17:56] <archivist> easy enough for me to make too :)
[17:18:19] <archivist> cnc lathe make any thread
[17:18:40] <archivist> never rush a job
[17:19:01] <enleth> archivist: it wasn't trivial to buy imperial allen keys, let alone taps or dies
[17:20:21] <SpeedEvil> enleth:
http://imgur.com/gallery/nnY8fv2
[17:20:26] <archivist> you can use single point 60 degree tooling to make the threads
[17:21:56] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Lasers in space... AWESOME!!!
[17:22:07] <enleth> SpeedEvil: yeah yeah I know, Soviets and Nazis used metric
[17:22:32] <enleth> archivist: no thread-making lathe over here, I'd do that if I could
[17:22:53] <archivist> must be one nearby
[17:23:09] <enleth> Not on a saturday evening
[17:23:11] <roycroft> move on to another project for the weekend and wait until you can get the correct part
[17:24:05] <enleth> OK, those rods are not really carrying any weight on their own, they just keep the distance between the bottom of the control box and the column fixed, so I can omit them for now
[17:26:33] <enleth> roycroft: it's a quite literal blocker for another project in the queue
[17:26:58] <malcom2073> Woot, have a PC in my garage with internet!
[17:27:05] <enleth> roycroft: like, a 1.5 ton blocker that needs to move to make more room, but I can't push it back towards the wall before mounting the control box
[17:28:48] <Jymmm> Nice read re: "Jet Pumps"...
http://www.flotecpump.com/residentialpage_resource_faq_jetpump.aspx
[17:36:23] * Loetmichel2 just paid for the third used laptop i got at ebay this week... that starts to have signs of an addiction ;-)
[17:40:04] <PetefromTn_> Oh so your Bridgeport has the PROPER threads you mean ;)
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[17:52:21] <roycroft> that's unfortunate, enleth, but it is still prudent to do things correctly
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[17:54:50] <roycroft> and i have been in the same situation many times
[17:55:06] <roycroft> i would still wait to do it right
[17:55:08] <Wolf_Mill> other way around here..
[17:55:40] <Wolf_Mill> machine is all metric, have mostly imperial stuff laying around
[17:55:41] <roycroft> i might suggest moving it back to the wall and then moving it back out when you get the correct part
[17:56:01] <roycroft> knowing that the moving may be difficult
[17:56:17] <roycroft> that's still better than a butcher job/kludge imo
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[18:03:59] <PetefromTn_> I like a good butcher/kludge whenever I can ')
[18:04:03] <PetefromTn_> :D
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[18:13:55] <PetefromTn_> jeez gotta put rotors and pads on my wife's SUV now SIGH
[18:14:21] <Tom_itx> rotors shot?
[18:14:24] <Tom_itx> turn em
[18:14:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think so.... they were just $35 each so just swappin em
[18:14:55] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Tell her not to press both petals at the time time ;)
[18:15:06] <Jymmm> pedals*
[18:15:11] <PetefromTn_> is that what the problem is ?
[18:15:12] <Tom_itx> same
[18:15:16] <Jymmm> poodles
[18:15:33] * Tom_itx gives Jymmm an irc speel cheker
[18:15:36] <PetefromTn_> I knew it had to be something like that
[18:15:45] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I speak typo =)
[18:15:56] <Tom_itx> you type tyo
[18:16:37] <Jymmm> that too
[18:16:58] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, it could be worse... it could be a fried clutch from riding it
[18:17:07] <PetefromTn_> no clutch man
[18:17:35] <Tom_itx> yeah we mericans are spoiled that way
[18:17:50] <PetefromTn_> its A-mericans man
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[18:22:02] <Tom_itx> i should do that to my 08
[18:22:17] <PetefromTn_> what?
[18:22:25] <Tom_itx> glazed them over goin thru the mountains and they've never been the same
[18:22:35] <Tom_itx> change the pads etc
[18:23:04] <Tom_itx> doesn't bother me but she doesn't like it
[18:23:27] <PetefromTn_> well my son came over hes home from the Navy this last two weeks and we did his G35 now we are gonna do the wife's and maybe my Astro
[18:25:04] <PetefromTn_> after I eat my ground beef and black bean/mexican cheese and sour cream dip ;)
[18:25:20] <Jymmm> what, no salsa?
[18:25:36] <PetefromTn_> naah I am not a big salsa guy
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[18:25:50] <PetefromTn_> I hate pico de gallo too
[18:25:57] <Jymmm> hot sauce?
[18:26:02] <PetefromTn_> yep
[18:26:07] <PetefromTn_> got some of that
[18:26:09] <Jymmm> Ok
[18:26:13] <PetefromTn_> whew
[18:26:29] <Jymmm> Yeah, I dont care for raw tomaties, too acidic
[18:26:38] <PetefromTn_> my wife makes this really delicious soup
[18:27:02] <PetefromTn_> she buys the SEASONED Bush's black bean cans
[18:27:07] <PetefromTn_> and there is a recipe on them
[18:27:15] <PetefromTn_> you need two cans
[18:27:20] <Jymmm> I like the whiskey one
[18:27:21] <PetefromTn_> and some ground beef
[18:27:32] <PetefromTn_> no it just says seasoned black beans
[18:27:51] <Jymmm> I dont care for black beans, too "earthy"
[18:27:58] <PetefromTn_> but she puts one can in the blender and the other is just out of the can and some ground beef and whatever else they call for
[18:28:04] <Jymmm> ah
[18:28:08] <PetefromTn_> and then you mix it all up
[18:28:14] <PetefromTn_> it is REALLY good
[18:28:19] <Jymmm> =)
[18:28:30] <PetefromTn_> we eat it an awful lot around here and it is a quick easy dinner
[18:28:46] <PetefromTn_> but if you make it thicker
[18:28:58] <PetefromTn_> it is like a perfect dip with some cheese and sour cream
[18:29:06] <Jymmm> ah
[18:29:07] <PetefromTn_> and ground beef of course
[18:29:36] <Jymmm> You should try "creama fresca".. Mexican table cream
[18:29:56] <PetefromTn_> is that like queso cheese?
[18:30:13] <Jymmm> No, but same section of the grocery store.
[18:30:40] <PetefromTn_> my wife is saying it's just sour cream?
[18:30:48] <Jymmm> http://images.mexgrocer.com/42743-12316.jpg
[18:31:00] <Jymmm> Well, sorta, but it's much thinner
[18:31:23] <Jymmm> Not necessarily watery, but a pourable consistancy
[18:31:29] <PetefromTn_> huh never had it
[18:31:35] <PetefromTn_> might give it a shot
[18:31:44] <PetefromTn_> is it just for pouring over stuff like this?
[18:31:53] <Jymmm> Good flavor, easy to just pour or spoon on food
[18:32:04] <PetefromTn_> what is the flavor?
[18:32:08] <Jymmm> It goes REALLY well with hot sauce =)
[18:32:32] <PetefromTn_> ok nice
[18:32:37] <PetefromTn_> will give it a shot
[18:32:41] <Jymmm> Think like a "fresh sour cream" flavor, not necessairly rich
[18:32:41] <PetefromTn_> next time we shop
[18:33:12] <Jymmm> sour cream is pretty rich, this is more of a fresh flavor if you will
[18:33:30] <PetefromTn_> I like sour cream
[18:33:34] <PetefromTn_> so might like it too
[18:33:36] <Jymmm> I do too
[18:33:54] <Jymmm> You can use it in place of sour cream as well
[18:34:36] <roycroft> crème fraîche is kind of like sour cream but there's no way to mistake the two either in form or flavor
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[18:36:50] * roycroft wishes square knockout punches weren't so bloody expensive
[18:37:18] <roycroft> and i'm not saying they're overpriced
[18:38:30] <Sync> gaaaah, why are brake pressure sensors so expensive
[18:40:21] <renesis> because automotive sensor
[18:44:01] <renesis> oh this isnt #cars, maybe you mean something else thats even more expensive
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[18:48:13] <Jymmm> roycroft: make a square punch instead?
[18:51:28] <roycroft> it would cost more to do that than to purchase one
[18:51:36] <Jymmm> ah
[18:51:52] <roycroft> i need to make some 1/16 din knockouts for control panels
[18:52:32] <roycroft> by the time i designed, machined, hardened, and ground the parts of a punch it would cost way more than to just buy one
[18:52:45] <roycroft> especially since i don't have a surface grinder
[18:53:02] <roycroft> that adds several thousand dollars to the cost of the punch right there :)
[18:53:23] <roycroft> and the punches are <$300
[18:53:58] <Jymmm> Hmm, the power pole is 24" from the wall on/in a concrete pad, but I want to run pvc conduit along the face of the wall to the garage 70 cable ft away. Do I NEED/HAVE to use flex conduit from the pole to the wall?
[18:54:02] <roycroft> for now i'll probably mill the openings and hand file the corners square
[18:54:53] <Jymmm> roycroft: Or it's justification to get a surface grinder =)
[18:55:03] <roycroft> which i would like, actually
[18:55:10] <roycroft> but then i would need to build an extension for my shop
[18:55:11] <Jymmm> See, there ya go =)
[18:55:17] <roycroft> as there is less than no room for another piece of machinery
[18:55:25] <roycroft> so add another $10k or so
[18:55:33] <Jymmm> roycroft: See, justification for the expantion as well =)
[18:56:17] * roycroft is feeling better about milling the openings and grumbling a bit than the other options
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[18:58:14] <Jymmm> lol
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[19:03:13] <Sync> haha, it is cheaper to buy full brake master cylinders with sensors than to buy them individually
[19:06:56] <roycroft> or there is the other option
[19:07:25] <roycroft> buy an enclosure with a pre-punched 1/16 din opening in the front panel
[19:11:00] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: you can run wire outside of conduit if it's overhead and with the proper wire
[19:11:33] <CaptHindsight> there is a minimum height requirement and min distance to doors and windows
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[19:15:57] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm:
http://www.makyleelectric.com/safety/123112.pdf
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[19:17:38] <CaptHindsight> http://ecmweb.com/code-basics/article-225-outside-branch-circuits
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[19:30:38] <CaptHindsight> https://www.mikeholt.com/instructor2/img/product/pdf/1259687476sample.pdf good guide for general power wiring
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[19:50:15] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I'll post some photos later of what I'm talking about. Bascially I don't want to dig a 70 foot, 18" deep trench
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[19:52:17] <Sync> pfft
[19:52:30] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: you can also run it 6" under the surface in metal conduit
[19:53:27] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I have the roots of 100ft trees to deal with, I'd rather not dig at all if I can get away with it.
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[19:53:38] <pcw_home> Didnt know this was being worked on:
[19:53:39] <pcw_home> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyhfctYqjc8
[19:53:42] <CaptHindsight> oh fun
[19:56:01] <CaptHindsight> KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine) was chosen well after KVM was a well known abbreviation for "keyboard, video and mouse"
[19:56:36] <CaptHindsight> at least they didn't call it PCI
[19:56:44] <CaptHindsight> or USB
[20:05:52] <roycroft> with the advent of the kvm, the kvm is obsolete
[20:07:30] <pcw_home> 100 usec now, not bad
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[20:21:55] <renesis> kvm wasnt really a thing, kvm switch was, so its not really completely stolen
[20:22:43] <renesis> like if you had a pc but no peripherals, and said YO I NEED TO GET KVM FOR THIS people would be confused
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[20:40:30] <ganzuul> Is making your own taps allowed?
[20:40:44] <ganzuul> It doesn't seem too difficult.
[20:48:08] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J_Xrkrs1Xc
[20:54:17] <SpeedEvil> the thread-form would be a bit fucked up
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[21:02:51] <ganzuul> I figure take some HSS rod, thread it, cut grooves, and tap by hand
[21:03:28] <Sync> have fun threading HSS
[21:03:48] <ganzuul> :o
[21:04:10] <PetefromTn_> GOD I AM AN IDIOT!!!!
[21:04:45] <tiwake> I KNOW
[21:04:49] <tiwake> I mean...
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[21:04:53] <ganzuul> What's wrong with threading HSS?
[21:04:55] <tiwake> hi :3
[21:05:09] <Sync> try machining HSS, you'll see
[21:05:59] <PetefromTn_> I just tore apart my wifes SUV brakes and since it is 4x4 you get to repack the bearings along the way
[21:06:24] <tiwake> bearings in the brakes?
[21:06:26] <PetefromTn_> so I got brand new rotors, pads, etc. etc. and I got it all tore down, cleaned up, repacked, whatever
[21:06:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah bearings in the hubs
[21:06:57] <tiwake> why would you need to take that off to get to the brakes?
[21:07:02] <PetefromTn_> then I put it all together nice and shiny
[21:07:07] <tiwake> that sounds awful
[21:07:08] <PetefromTn_> you almost always have to
[21:07:21] <PetefromTn_> I have owned lots of 4x4s and it is typical
[21:07:32] <tiwake> oh right, not a car
[21:07:33] <ganzuul> Sync: I plan on making lathe tool bits by putting HSS sock in my milling attachement and a TiAlN carbide end mill in the lathe spindle.
[21:07:54] <PetefromTn_> then I go to take the rear apart and that goes a bit easier since you don't have to do the bearings on that end
[21:08:09] <PetefromTn_> then I got it all put back together nice and shiny like and popped the wheels on
[21:08:17] <PetefromTn_> dropped it off the jack stands
[21:08:33] <PetefromTn_> and we are cleaning everything up ready to take a nice shower
[21:08:39] <PetefromTn_> then I grab the old rotors
[21:08:50] <PetefromTn_> and flip one over to pop it in the box
[21:08:55] <PetefromTn_> to get rid of it
[21:09:30] <PetefromTn_> when I notice that I FORGOT TO PUT THE DAMN ABS BRAKE SENSOR WHEEL ON THE NEW ROTORS IT IS STILL SCREWED TO THE OLD ROTORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:09:54] <tiwake> s/!//
[21:10:00] <PetefromTn_> SO NOW I Get to take the whole damn front end of the truck all back apart and do it all again!!!!
[21:10:03] <ganzuul> Classic mistake.
[21:10:04] <PetefromTn_> What an aZZHole
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[21:10:30] <ganzuul> And not just operator error. Should be designed differently.
[21:10:40] <PetefromTn_> I am so pissed off at myself for not noticing that I am gonna have to sit down and have a soda before I go back and do it all again...
[21:10:53] <PetefromTn_> no its pretty much operator error here.
[21:11:09] <PetefromTn_> just a dumbass that is not being careful with what he is doing.....
[21:11:14] <Sync> wut
[21:11:24] <PetefromTn_> so because he is an AZZHOLE he gets to do it ALL over again
[21:11:40] <tiwake> have a couple shots of vodka before you do XD
[21:11:46] <Sync> I have never seen the triggerwheel on the brake disc
[21:11:48] <PetefromTn_> Oh thats a grand idea
[21:11:51] <fenn> ganzuul taps don't need to run red hot so HSS is kinda pointless...
[21:12:12] <ganzuul> O-1 then?
[21:12:14] <PetefromTn_> well its on the back of the brake disk on this truck
[21:12:14] <fenn> i'd use O1 or A1 drill rod
[21:12:24] <ganzuul> mmh
[21:12:32] <ganzuul> O-1 it is! \o/
[21:13:09] <ganzuul> Just need to find a decent supplier... Onlinemetals.com doesn't deliver to Finland.
[21:13:22] <fenn> good luck
[21:13:50] <fenn> also why are you making taps?
[21:14:28] <ganzuul> Cheapskate. Also, want to learn everything. Also, want to know how to make custom/better tools than commercial ones.
[21:16:48] <ganzuul> I have not actually found even a single local supllier who has half-way reasonable pricing.
[21:17:03] <Deejay> gn8
[21:17:04] <fenn> there is a lot of black magic that goes into a high end commercial tap, but maybe you can make them cheaper than available locally
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[21:17:58] <fenn> i've done it for ACME threads, if you can call grinding a taper and grooves into a piece of threaded rod a tap...
[21:19:06] <ganzuul> I'd make the threads first, then turn the end to a taper...
[21:19:31] <SpeedEvil> Well - for large holes, and if you can interpolate your way round the edge - it's not hard to get _way_ cheaper.
[21:19:52] <SpeedEvil> At least as long as you don't want many holes.
[21:20:08] <Sync> or you just buy a thread mill
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[21:20:32] <ganzuul> I was thinking I'll eventually need a threaded-hole CNC subroutine.
[21:21:08] <fenn> metric threads tend to have more reasonable pitches than inch bolts
[21:21:22] <fenn> like 0.5 1.0 1.25
[21:21:38] <fenn> not 13, 16, 18,
[21:21:57] <fenn> point being you can get away with a limited number of metric threadmills
[21:23:16] <ganzuul> I figure I'd have small, medium and big.
[21:23:30] <XXCoder> imperial units sucks all over
[21:24:23] <ganzuul> 8mm is maybe medium for a 7x16 lathe...
[21:25:39] <Wolf_Mill> TPI isnt equal to pitch...
[21:26:18] <Wolf_Mill> 16 tpi is 1.588mm pitch
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[21:31:16] <Wolf_Mill> reading fail... lol what I get for jumping on and not really reading back
[21:36:47] <Wolf_Mill> either metric or imperial threads are goign to need a handfull of mills to get the job done...
[21:37:48] <ganzuul> O wait those prices are for sets of 3, not individual taps.
[21:38:01] <ganzuul> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Cutting-Tools/Taps/Serial-Taps---Metric-BSW-BSF
[21:38:28] <ganzuul> That kinda changes the equation.
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[21:39:40] <Wolf_Mill> you should see the price tag on the two tap/die sets sitting behind me
[21:39:50] <Wolf_Mill> I think it was over $400
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[21:41:47] <Wolf_Mill> ... now this is a cheap ass indicator holder, bottom of it looks like it was finished free hand with a belt sander
[21:43:30] <Sync> even if it was for one the price would be reasonable ganzuul
[21:43:49] * ganzuul wonders if overpricing doesn't imply poor craftmanship
[21:44:01] <Wolf_Mill> oh, might make some diffrence, my tap/die set is 6mm-24mm fine/corse
[21:44:40] <ganzuul> Sync: Those prices are, yes. None of the local suppliers come even close.
[21:45:47] <Sync> thats what you get for not being a business
[21:46:03] <Sync> subtract 30-70% from that
[21:46:46] <ganzuul> :(
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[21:47:44] <Wolf_Mill> dammit
[21:48:19] <Wolf_Mill> went to hardware store, got everything else except the pressure reg that I went there to get
[21:48:27] <ganzuul> lol
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[22:09:13] <furrywolf> moderately successful yard sale day... went shopping for someone else too. got him a fridge, microwave, camp stove, and a wok. got me a brand new 24ft werner extension ladder, a wagner airless sprayer (the kind you sit next to a 5gal bucket), a pile of misc car audio stuff, and some hand tools.
[22:09:29] <XXCoder> nice
[22:09:34] <XXCoder> sometimes yard sales rock
[22:11:24] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[22:21:48] <furrywolf> there's signs all over town for some kind of "pride festival" today... I'm afraid I really don't see the point. lol
[22:22:12] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I want a sloth festival
[22:22:39] <furrywolf> what would one even do at a "pride festival"? lol
[22:23:38] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I'm guessing much like a sloth festival - lot of lion around.
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[22:24:40] <furrywolf> ...
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[22:25:41] <furrywolf> unless it's all an excuse to meet like-minded women... lol
[22:29:42] * furrywolf probably should go for that reason, but otherwise the event seems pretty pointless, so doesn't go
[22:30:13] <XXCoder> https://vimeo.com/138790270 interesting
[22:39:19] <fenn> found a turbomolecular pump at a yard sale today
[22:40:19] <fenn> seiko seiki STP-301H
[22:40:22] <XXCoder> whats touromoleclar
[22:40:32] <XXCoder> geez nice typing job there, self
[22:40:39] <XXCoder> turbomolecular
[22:40:41] <fenn> a super duper expensive bit of kit for science experiments
[22:41:19] <Tom_itx> i figured if i didn't know, i didn't need
[22:41:36] <XXCoder> you know dihyrogen-monoxide?
[22:41:49] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[22:41:54] <XXCoder> good. lol
[22:42:26] <fenn> 50,000 rpm and 6 inches in diameter
[22:42:56] <Tom_itx> that should stir something up good
[22:43:44] <pcw_home> bangs those molecules around pretty well
[22:43:51] <XXCoder> "A turbomolecular pump is a type of vacuum pump, superficially similar to a turbopump, used to obtain and maintain high vacuum.[1][2] These pumps work on the principle that gas molecules can be given momentum in a desired direction by repeated collision with a moving solid surface."
[22:44:24] <furrywolf> PCW: how's 7i76es coming along?
[22:44:38] <furrywolf> web page still says out of stock. :(
[22:49:45] <pcw_home> being built now but our assy house is a bit overloaded
[22:50:07] <pcw_home> damn Daisy got another power cord
[22:50:18] <furrywolf> ?
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[22:50:26] <Tom_itx> goat?
[22:50:32] <pcw_home> bun
[22:51:26] <Tom_itx> one day one will get her
[22:52:06] <furrywolf> ... huh?
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[22:52:43] <pcw_home> Weve had a minor explosion a few times but no harm other than temporary black teeth
[22:53:08] <XXCoder> I'd go for tungesin.
http://makezine.com/2015/09/11/carbon-fiber-filament-ruins-nozzles/
[22:53:23] <XXCoder> it'd be hard to make though. so hard.
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[22:54:17] <XXCoder> yet another bb-8 project
http://makezine.com/2015/09/10/yet-another-cool-bb-8-droid-project/
[22:55:11] * furrywolf has no idea what bb8 is or why people care
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[22:57:41] <furrywolf> it's apparantly some robot from some not-yet-released star wars movie. and people are obsessing over it.
[22:57:57] <XXCoder> its due to unusual design. some engineers felt challenged
[22:57:59] <furrywolf> star wars fans are weird.
[22:58:07] <XXCoder> no shit
[22:59:25] <furrywolf> doesn't look very challening to me. lol
[22:59:48] <XXCoder> I dont do engineering so I wouldnt know.
[23:00:12] * furrywolf does a little bit of everything
[23:00:23] <furrywolf> specialization is for insects. :)
[23:00:41] <furrywolf> (and, apparantly, those who want to be profitably employed)
[23:00:45] <XXCoder> jack of all trades, master of none. rhats what I heard lol
[23:01:38] <furrywolf> bbl, going to go drop the paint sprayer off with someone who needs it.
[23:02:49] <Tom_itx> get a deposit on it
[23:03:06] <XXCoder> yeah people always want money back
[23:11:12] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/QP1A9Rq.jpg
[23:11:16] <zeeshan> he just sent me the final pic
[23:11:18] <zeeshan> with it working
[23:11:18] <zeeshan> haha
[23:11:21] <zeeshan> looks sweeeeeeeeeeeet
[23:11:27] <zeeshan> i didnt get time to engrave the plate though
[23:11:39] <Wolf_Mill> cool
[23:12:05] <zeeshan> i wonder if i can outsource engraving
[23:12:13] <zeeshan> i remember when i was a kid
[23:12:24] <zeeshan> i got my name engraved in glass
[23:12:27] <zeeshan> for like $8
[23:15:41] <XXCoder> thats one of my plans with router
[23:15:44] <XXCoder> engrave glass
[23:15:52] <zeeshan> nice
[23:15:55] <zeeshan> what speed is your spindle
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[23:16:09] <XXCoder> 27000 rpm
[23:16:14] <XXCoder> no more no less
[23:16:17] <zeeshan> nice
[23:16:26] <zeeshan> perfect for engraving
[23:16:33] <XXCoder> indeed
[23:16:38] <Sync> get a deckel g1
[23:16:46] <XXCoder> I cant get my off my ass though :(
[23:17:09] <zeeshan> shuddap
[23:17:12] <zeeshan> less irc
[23:17:13] <zeeshan> more work
[23:17:16] <Sync> ^
[23:17:59] <XXCoder> zeeshan: something wrong with me unfortunately
[23:18:00] <Tom_itx> gonna finish up on my pendant code tonight and maybe get the mill back in it's enclosure
[23:18:11] <XXCoder> been having that issue on and off across most my life
[23:24:42] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, what's the window for?
[23:25:10] <zeeshan> screen
[23:25:13] <zeeshan> theres some vfd there
[23:25:16] <XXCoder> I plan to buy a pendant but not too sure which lol
[23:25:16] <zeeshan> er sorry
[23:25:17] <Tom_itx> lcd?
[23:25:17] <zeeshan> oled screen
[23:25:20] <Tom_itx> ahh
[23:25:23] <Tom_itx> wondered..
[23:25:25] <zeeshan> it tells you like amps
[23:25:27] <zeeshan> and stuff liket hat
[23:25:28] <XXCoder> because keyboard interface sucks hard
[23:25:29] <zeeshan> i dont know anything
[23:25:38] * XXCoder is spoiled by big machines at work.
[23:25:39] <Tom_itx> mmm those are tricky to get working
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[23:26:54] <XXCoder> the pendant?
[23:27:50] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant/pendant2.jpg
[23:27:53] <Tom_itx> yes the pendant
[23:28:30] <XXCoder> whats line below .0001 for?
[23:28:36] <XXCoder> "off"?
[23:28:58] <Tom_itx> it's xtra :)
[23:29:10] <XXCoder> ahh lol
[23:29:11] <Tom_itx> we could call it off
[23:29:22] <Tom_itx> but it defaults to .0001
[23:30:04] <XXCoder> .0001 tyically is suffecent
[23:30:10] <XXCoder> its almost not moving anyway
[23:30:58] <Tom_itx> good for jogging tools
[23:31:02] <Tom_itx> to 'close'
[23:31:14] <XXCoder> thogh do anyone even need .00001?
[23:31:29] <XXCoder> heard lego uses 10^-7 resolution for molds
[23:31:34] <Tom_itx> not me
[23:32:55] <moorbo> lhc stuff is made to unfathomable tolerances
[23:33:16] <XXCoder> example? dunno what lhc is
[23:33:17] <moorbo> but do yo mean 0.00001 inches?
[23:33:24] <moorbo> large hadron collider
[23:33:28] <XXCoder> ahh
[23:33:37] <XXCoder> inch yeah sorry
[23:33:43] <XXCoder> usually use units but forgot
[23:34:15] <enleth> Tom_itx: is it comfortable to use with that rotary axis selector?
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[23:34:53] <Tom_itx> i think it's fine
[23:35:13] <Tom_itx> it's what i could come up with on the cheap
[23:35:30] <Tom_itx> digikey rotary switches
[23:36:08] <enleth> Tom_itx: the estop button could be a bit bigger though...
[23:36:16] <Tom_itx> yeah i know
[23:36:25] <Tom_itx> i had another design but didn't like it
[23:36:38] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant7.jpg
[23:37:06] <XXCoder> I dont think I will make one, just buy one
[23:37:10] <Tom_itx> it's on a sherline and i'm sitting right by it when it's running
[23:37:13] <XXCoder> I know it means more money
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[23:37:38] <enleth> Tom_itx: take a look at pendants used with industrial 6R robots
[23:39:06] <enleth> Tom_itx: they are made to be used by an operator who is within the working area of the robot and 6R robots have a huge working area and such a great fredom of movement that a misbehaving one is extremely hard to predict
[23:39:52] <Tom_itx> a large swinging arm is a bit different than a sherline in a box
[23:40:42] <Wolf_Mill> bet the sherline could do some damage (if you throw it at someone)
[23:40:51] <enleth> Tom_itx: the e-stop is a strip under the hand strap that needs to be pressed in just so all the time
[23:41:22] <Tom_itx> that would be uber annoying to a machinist
[23:41:25] <Wolf_Mill> sounds more like a dead man switch
[23:41:29] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:41:38] <Tom_itx> i can see that on a robot
[23:42:00] <Tom_itx> hands free switches are used on all sorts of industrial equipment
[23:42:03] <XXCoder> enleth: makes sense for being inside workspace of machine
[23:42:20] <enleth> Too little pressure - the operator could be hit and lose consciousness. Too much - the operator could be hit and clenching his fists in pain.
[23:43:23] <Sync> yeah they are fucking annoying
[23:44:45] <enleth> Sync: I'd say better annoyed than mauled or wrapped around the workpiecie
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[23:47:56] <enleth> If I had one of those big ass lathes that can pull the operator in and twist him into a pretzel, I'd be sure as hell to include that for manual or MDI operation
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[23:49:10] <enleth> With a good spindle brake, too.
[23:49:49] <Sync> nah
[23:50:00] <Sync> he is dead before the spindle can stop in all cases
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[23:50:27] <XXCoder> or she
[23:50:47] <Sync> but you are also usually not working in close distance with a roboter unless you are teaching in so that's fine
[23:51:03] <Sync> and think about the spindle brake you'd need
[23:51:15] <Sync> it would rip off the headstock very cleanly
[23:51:32] <Wolf_Mill> relying too much on safty systems makes people careless IMO
[23:52:14] <enleth> Sync: that's exactly why I'm keeping my distance from big ass lathes
[23:53:01] <XXCoder> interesting
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014VD8W38/?tag=thedigrea-20&linkId=7Y5VP7VFUJDDPLBT
[23:53:21] <XXCoder> good for shops I guess but I prefer my kindle in waterproof case
[23:53:26] <enleth> A big ass mill, sure, but that won't pull me in. The mass in motion is small at any given time.
[23:54:08] <enleth> And spindle brakes are posdible and effective
[23:56:11] <Sync> oh a mill will for sure pull you in enough that it will hurt you
[23:56:55] <enleth> But it's harder to do something stupid enough to provoke that.
[23:57:12] <enleth> And the chances of surviving with minor injuries are higher.
[23:57:13] <ganzuul> Looks legit. :)
http://www.pmkaubamaja.ee/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_images.tpl&product_id=3162&category_id=707&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=20&lang=fi
[23:59:55] <enleth> ganzuul: that must be a local Estonian delicacy - a carbide cutter a cat vomit topping
