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[00:18:29] <shogunx> so to sum up, and correct me if I am wrong, please... with a beaglebone black, machinekit in a prebuilt wheezy image, and a cape from xylotex, one can drive essentially any cnc mill which has a db-25 parallel interface?
[00:20:49] <PetefromTn_> not my machine hehe
[00:22:25] <shogunx> off the shelf mill w/ parallel then.
[00:30:18] <malcom2073> shogunx: That's what I do, except a 3d printer ia Gecko G540, and a PMDX cape
[00:31:01] <malcom2073> via
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[00:32:46] <malcom2073> But otherwise yeah, 4 axis step/directon control with BBB, machinekit, cape
[00:32:49] <malcom2073> via DB25 interface
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[01:08:43] <zeeshan> dun dun dun
[01:08:44] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/EOJan
[01:08:48] <zeeshan> final design
[01:08:53] <zeeshan> what a whole lot of work.
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[01:12:56] <Tom_itx> you gonna machine it?
[01:13:26] <SpeedEvil> powered from what?
[01:13:33] <SpeedEvil> Is that an 18650?
[01:14:31] * jdh ponders "drug paraphenelia manufacturing" on a resume
[01:14:53] <SpeedEvil> It's clearly for mint and lavender
[01:15:14] <jdh> uh huh
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[01:25:57] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yessir
[01:26:08] <zeeshan> hes got e-cig customers lined up already
[01:26:20] <zeeshan> i need to figure out total time to machine this
[01:26:23] <zeeshan> and give him a quote
[01:26:28] <Tom_itx> how you gonna fixture it?
[01:26:48] <zeeshan> i have some ideas
[01:27:01] <zeeshan> but it involves a coulpe of chips
[01:27:06] <zeeshan> if you look at the hidden line picture
[01:27:14] <zeeshan> assuming all the surfacing is done etc
[01:27:20] <zeeshan> now i gotta drill these crazy compound holes
[01:27:23] <zeeshan> for the wires to pass through
[01:27:30] <zeeshan> those will definitely need a jig, otherwise the setup time will be huge
[01:27:52] <zeeshan> im thinking of machining a negative split half die
[01:28:06] <zeeshan> to hold it when it is in a fully machined state on the exterior surface
[01:29:21] <zeeshan> jdh: this is wayyyy to expensive to be used for drugs :P
[01:29:40] <jdh> uh huh
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[01:47:08] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: you do have a relief valve for the battery compartment?
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[02:57:38] <shogunx> thanks malcom2073 . so theoretically, we could have the same machine running essentially the same control mechanism, but with interchageable heads to allow either printing or milling, depending on the tool inserted?
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[03:32:09] <petefromtn> Just had a big thunderstorm roll thru here and experience a huge boom as lightening struck somewhere very close to our house....now the internet is down..bummer!!
[03:33:19] <petefromtn> I shut down the cnc and turned off my tv's as I always try to do during a big thunderstorm..
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[03:41:08] <bobo_> So Pete, have any ball lightening there yet?
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[03:53:31] <petefromtn> Not that I saw anyway
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[04:18:21] <petefromtn> Sure Is dead in here tonight hehe
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[05:03:15] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: the cap has a vent
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[06:16:25] <fenn> zeeshan: this seems like the sort of thing where you make one as a prototype first to ensure that it's what the customer actually wants
[06:16:53] <fenn> it looks pretty lumpy and wrinkly to me, and it would suck to get 40 of them like that
[06:18:04] <fenn> also the really thin strip of wood along the bottom corner looks fragile, and that whole situation with the sharp corner on the bottom just looks weird
[06:18:39] <fenn> iirc the original had a rounded corner on the bottom
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[06:45:30] <Wolf_> damn still going on about that e-turd :P
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[06:53:00] <Deejay> moin
[07:04:07] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: Ruland :) It's look very nice,
[07:05:08] <Wolf_> so much to do before its cncing
[07:06:07] <Wolf_> much lathe work oddly lol
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[07:11:29] <pink_vampire> I remember the installation of my machine - nightmare - the motors very heavy, the cuplenig almost press fit,, and you need to make sure that everything is precise,
[07:11:46] <pink_vampire> I'm soo happy that I'm aftaer that..
[07:11:50] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: ^
[07:13:10] <Wolf_> fun part is doing setups on the lathe that I haven’t tried before
[07:13:28] <Wolf_> like boring the lead screw blocks
[07:14:53] <archivist> the lathe is an essential tool
[07:15:22] <Wolf_> yup
[07:15:36] <pink_vampire> maybe after the bandsaw project..
[07:15:56] <archivist> lathe is before bandsaw in importance
[07:16:12] <pink_vampire> why it's so heavy
[07:16:32] <archivist> it makes better hinges for your saw
[07:17:06] <Wolf_> I never thought I needed/wanted a lathe, then I got one
[07:17:28] <Wolf_> probably done more on the lathe then my mill
[07:17:34] <pink_vampire> I have pain in my hands and arms.
[07:17:37] <archivist> and now, all those hard jobs become easy
[07:18:05] <archivist> I use my lathes more often than the mill
[07:18:10] <Wolf_> now if the one lathe wasn’t a total piece of shit…
[07:19:06] <archivist> one? get more
[07:19:19] <Wolf_> I think my taig micro lathe is better quality then my 7x10
[07:20:01] <Wolf_> I was setting a taig lathe up for pool/billiards cue mobile repair work
[07:20:09] <pink_vampire> why the arm soo pain?
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[07:27:02] <zeeshan> fenn: yes, i am 3d printing a prototype before actually making one. so far he likes what he sees. it's pretty much his design. i just brought it in cad. the wrinky and lumpiness is part of his design, its supposed to feel good in the hand. there are metal inserts so that thin area of would shouldn't be too big of a deal -- we will see in the first real wood prototype
[07:27:50] <Wolf_> bet it looks better then the renders
[07:28:47] <zeeshan> thanks! :P
[07:29:07] <zeeshan> hopefully it looks good in stablized wood
[07:29:28] <Wolf_> computer can only interpret so much at the cad level
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[07:30:44] <Wolf_> so sore, need a different bench for my mill
[07:30:52] <zeeshan> hehe
[07:30:54] <zeeshan> build one!
[07:31:07] <Wolf_> got one sitting @ my moms house
[07:31:32] <Wolf_> just need to re-build the front half of my house first lol
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[07:35:57] <Wolf_> really need to get that stuff done, turning the front upstairs in to my office/lab, 15’x25’ room (use to be 2 bedrooms). Should have enough space for 3d printer(s) the X1 and one of the small lathes (7x10 or Taig) and a electronics bench
[07:36:26] <Wolf_> and my computer desk…
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[07:45:12] <archivist> I fully understand using a house as a workshop :)
[07:47:32] <Wolf_> for small stuff, RC hobby junk, rapid prototyping should work good, all the bigger stuff I do in the garage out back
[07:48:42] <archivist> I have some in the garage, some in a rear bedroom, and a bit in the kitchen, electronics is in the lounge, computer is dining room
[07:49:56] <Wolf_> right now my 2 machines are in my kitchen in the house, but there isn’t much else in there but tools and a mess, house is a total rehab job I’m living out of a large camper/caravan out back of the house lol
[07:51:41] <archivist> need any windows, my part time job
[07:52:01] <Wolf_> lol, have a stack of them already
[07:52:26] <archivist> I got to deliver two mis measures today
[07:53:18] <archivist> must build my leanto(conservatory) workshop
[07:53:23] <Wolf_> hmm, I overlooked one thing on this build, how to mount the x/y motors lol
[07:53:58] <pink_vampire> the bandsaw project done!
[07:54:04] <archivist> I make an adapter tube or if lazy, two plates and posts
[07:55:04] <Wolf_> I did have a brainstorm while making chips tonight, the mount bolts are the same thread as my hold downs :D
[07:55:19] <archivist> tube has to have a hole though to get at the coupling screws
[07:55:28] <Wolf_> intant temp mounting, then make the machine make better ones
[07:55:47] <Wolf_> instant even
[07:55:58] <archivist> temp usually lasts the first year or more
[07:56:08] <Wolf_> lol
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[07:59:36] <Wolf_> still trying to figure out how i’m going to set up the lead screw blocks on the lathe
[08:00:05] <archivist> 4 jaw
[08:01:05] <Wolf_> indicate off the bore… I think I can figure it out lol
[08:01:18] <archivist> measure centre height, place reference face above/below by required distance
[08:01:44] <Wolf_> eh
[08:02:14] <Wolf_> maybe I should be reading the southbend book that the guy gave me with the lathe lol
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[08:02:58] <archivist> you have southbend.../me steals it
[08:03:17] <Wolf_> no, just the How to run a lathe book by southbend
[08:04:21] <archivist> I have their How to run a metal working shaper
[08:06:39] <archivist> but never managed to get a cheap shaper to go with it
[08:07:53] <Wolf_> I don’t think anything in the lead screw block is super critical tolerance, right?
[08:09:02] <Wolf_> or I might need to pull the lathe apart before I do anything
[08:09:03] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: why lead screw?
[08:09:16] <Wolf_> cause thats whats on it right now
[08:09:20] <archivist> you dont want it bending the leadscrew if the hole is not in the right place
[08:09:36] <Wolf_> well, I’m modding the stock block
[08:09:51] <Wolf_> seeing replacement part is a whole $9
[08:10:40] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: you need to make bronze lead nut with slot and place for set screw for adjustment
[08:11:12] <Wolf_> no I dont
[08:12:22] <pink_vampire> do you have a lead nut?
[08:13:02] <Wolf_> yeah, its in the machine right now…
[08:13:40] <pink_vampire> and you have any adjustment scew on it?
[08:13:58] <Wolf_> if I do the extended x/y stuff then I’ll convert to ball screw on those
[08:14:35] <Wolf_> yeah, it has the backlash adjustment on them
[08:15:40] <Wolf_> I’m tempted to try making a lead nut from a chunk of acetal
[08:15:48] <pink_vampire> be aware that lead screw require much more force than ball screw specialty if you tight the lead nut
[08:16:23] <Wolf_> I have enough torque to probably twist the ends off the lead screws lol
[08:17:18] <pink_vampire> but with stepper as long as the speed go up, the torque go down.
[08:17:48] <Wolf_> well, the x1 won’t handle speed, its not that rigid…
[08:19:26] <Wolf_> pink_vampire:
http://i.imgur.com/6NvwkBz.jpg 4” vice on the table lol
[08:19:31] <pink_vampire> I split a nail :((((((
[08:20:45] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: WHY IT's so messy??
[08:21:08] <Wolf_> small workspace, need a better bench
[08:21:17] <pink_vampire> stop everything and start to organize
[08:21:43] <Wolf_> archivist: stock block,
http://i.imgur.com/kEDpfS8.jpg and the mod idea
http://i.imgur.com/BgfqPsX.png?1
[08:22:53] <Wolf_> the table its on is only 16” deep, there is no room to do much of anything on it
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[08:28:30] <Wolf_> I should have added needle bearings to the block too.. doh, 12mm OD 8mm long
[08:35:37] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: why you need bearing on the block?
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[08:53:38] <Wolf_> huh, what do you mean why?
[08:54:49] <Wolf_> its the lead screw block that moves the axis, cheap design on the X1 lacks a bearing so I’m adding thrust bearings
http://i.imgur.com/SUkjjeu.png?1
[08:56:45] <pink_vampire> you type "I should have added needle bearings to the block too"
[08:56:59] <Wolf_> oh, for axial load
[08:57:54] <Wolf_> http://i.imgur.com/BgfqPsX.png?1 in that pic where the call out for the 9.75mm is on the block, I could have added a needle bearing for the shaft to ride in
[09:00:27] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: I can't understand how and why you want to add a needle bearing to the lead nut.
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[09:01:58] <pink_vampire> hooo you mean to the block that hold it on each end,,,
[09:02:23] <Wolf_> yeah
[09:03:25] <pink_vampire> this is very nice idea,, but I don't think that you gat any problem without it..
[09:04:30] <pink_vampire> I think the major problem is the junk dovetail and not enough rigidity
[09:05:08] <Wolf_> x/y isn’t that bad
[09:05:33] <Wolf_> its the column/head that flex bad
[09:05:54] <pink_vampire> same problem on my machine.
[09:06:29] <pink_vampire> but I'm pretty happy with it.
[09:06:44] <pink_vampire> (I wish it's was pink and not green)
[09:06:45] <Wolf_> I have a feeling that my next mill is going to be a 3000lbs hunk of old iron
[09:07:11] <pink_vampire> me too..
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[09:07:48] <Wolf_> but this little one will do what I need, anything I make on it I’m not in a hurry to get
[09:09:05] <Wolf_> I was thinking about a g0704 but that has changed :D
[09:09:26] <pink_vampire> I think I will start a new job on the machine.
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[09:19:01] <XXCoder> heys
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[09:43:28] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: hi
[09:43:36] <XXCoder> hows your projects so far
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[09:50:32] <pink_vampire> I've done with the band saw
[09:51:40] <XXCoder> nice
[10:01:49] <XXCoder> pink_vampire: whats up on lights project
[10:04:17] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: lights project??
[10:04:22] <pink_vampire> stack light?
[10:04:27] <XXCoder> yeah
[10:04:56] <pink_vampire> the hardware done, and it's maounted on the machine.
[10:05:11] <XXCoder> awesome :)
[10:05:53] <pink_vampire> now I need to make 30 inserts for the aluminum extrusions, and than start to mount stuff on thre panel.
[10:06:24] <pink_vampire> the band saw projuct come to help me tp cut the stock material for the inserts,
[10:09:04] <pink_vampire> XXCoder: ^
[10:09:16] <XXCoder> nice
[10:09:24] <XXCoder> have yet to get my bolts :(
[10:09:36] <XXCoder> still figuring how to mount the darned limit switches,.
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[10:22:26] <Wolf_> … I need to do that too
[10:22:26] <Wolf_> when they get here
[10:22:26] <Wolf_> next month I bet
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[10:24:19] <Wolf_> I might get some matching current and volt meters as well
[10:25:02] <Wolf_> make a information overload panel for the micro mill
[10:26:28] <XXCoder> interesting
[10:27:32] <Wolf_> be prepared, the sensors are spendy….
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161668550828
[10:30:03] <XXCoder> expensive.
[10:30:53] <archivist_herron> just take a computer fan apart
[10:31:26] <Wolf_> like the inductive proximity switches I got, $2.50, $2.70, $12...
[10:32:35] <XXCoder> archivist_herron: dead ones or it'd be more expensive that way
[10:32:56] <archivist_herron> depends how many per fan :)
[10:35:54] <Wolf_> here is the volt meter
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321568962892 not sure what amp meter I need yet, they come in 9.99A, 50A and 99.9A
[10:36:49] <pink_vampire> I'm going to make some chicken tenders
[10:37:21] <Wolf_> what feed speed for chicken?
[10:43:13] <MrSunshine> hmm, how does "V" carving with ballnose look ?
[10:43:27] <MrSunshine> cant find any pictures of it anywhere .. or im searching wrong :P
[10:46:48] <pink_vampire> someone can help me with hsm express?
[10:47:16] <pink_vampire> the end mill go the same speed in rapid and cutting
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[10:48:31] <pink_vampire> what is "ramp feedrate"
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[11:11:07] <pink_vampire> to see the machine move in rapid move!!
[11:11:11] <pink_vampire> soo fun!
[11:13:38] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: now i see that you go with the old ham and not with the spider coupling
[11:14:02] <Wolf_> yeah, less backlash, plus cost
[11:14:14] <Wolf_> zero backlash spiders are $$$
[11:15:09] <pink_vampire> but old ham has moving part - the spider it tight fit.
[11:15:14] <pink_vampire> is*
[11:23:53] <Wolf_> seems fine to me, specs say zero backlash, the disk is acetal
[11:25:57] <Wolf_> I need sleep… laters
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[11:55:52] <pink_vampire> Wolf_: good night :)
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[12:09:48] <Simonious> users of fusion 360 - how is this program for CAM?
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[12:17:48] <pink_vampire> Simonious: I'm using HSM express - work grate.
[12:17:54] * skunkworks has the same question..
[12:20:06] <pink_vampire> I think F360 is free for hobby,
[12:20:28] <Simonious> pink_vampire: HSM express can't handle 3D stuffs, can it?
[12:20:52] <Simonious> I was using CAMBAM and I like how it works, but it gets weak for 3D things in my limited experience.
[12:21:04] <pink_vampire> no. just 2.5D and taping
[12:21:23] <Simonious> I've started fooling around with F360 a bit and it *seems* like it's going to do 3D CAM nicely once I get over the learning curve.
[12:21:47] <pink_vampire> Simonious: what do you mean "gets weak"?
[12:22:17] <Simonious> Slow and the interface struggles, also options are limited.
[12:22:46] <Simonious> however, I'm willing to accept that the problem may lie with me. My experience is quite limited so far.
[12:23:04] <pink_vampire> I think there is free trial for hsm work
[12:23:20] <Simonious> perhaps, but F360 is just free, so..
[12:26:16] <pink_vampire> I try to work with it, but I cant understand how to install it.
[12:26:19] <Simonious> so.. I plan to explore it and I'm hoping it'll do 3D cam nicely.
[12:26:52] <pink_vampire> Simonious: what to you want to make in 3d?
[12:27:33] <Simonious> At this moment a name plaque on a curved surface, down the line I may cut some 3D printer parts, which I've previously printed.
[12:27:48] <Simonious> May build up another CNC mill too
[12:28:13] <Simonious> Interested in doing some asymmetric circular parts as well
[12:28:17] <pink_vampire> I think you can do it with hsm express.
[12:28:41] <pink_vampire> to trace a line in 3d space.
[12:28:54] <Simonious> Hmm, when I looked into HSM, it looked like I would need HSMWorks
[12:29:21] <Simonious> HSM Express appears to only support 2.5D per their info
[12:29:47] <pink_vampire> use the trace option
[12:29:55] <pink_vampire> ans select single line
[12:29:58] <pink_vampire> and*
[12:30:15] <Simonious> You seem very against F360, why? Note: I'm not an autocad fan either..
[12:31:03] <pink_vampire> Simonious: I'm not against but I try to install it without any succses.
[12:31:16] <pink_vampire> tried*
[12:32:23] * Simonious shrugs.
[12:32:45] <Simonious> No problem with that here, it appears more capable and more free than the other options, so I'm exploring it.
[12:39:27] <archivist> some are cheating and using x or y to drive a rotary for curved engraving
[12:44:51] <Simonious> archivist: and that isn't wrong, but it isn't going to work with most software for an asymetrical design unless you can unroll a round model to flat in your CAD..
[12:45:38] <Jymmm> There is software to do that btw
[12:46:13] <Simonious> heh, well I guess I'm interested to see it.. I assume it corrects for the relative tool size as it approaches the axis of rotation?
[12:46:43] <archivist> it is the curved surface that matters not the asymetry of the design
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[12:47:12] <archivist> used normally for work on cylinders
[12:47:20] <Simonious> In my head if someone is writing CAM it doesn't seem like it would be impossibly difficult to define an axis of rotation and define Z as shortest distance from that axis and generate accordingly, but then.. I'm not the one writing it.
[12:48:27] <Simonious> archivist: Sure, but that's symmetrical - lets say I want to make a teapot or something even less symetrical
[12:49:25] <archivist> for that I expect you to use a 5 axis machine
[12:50:13] <archivist> and have fun engraving the spout
[12:50:42] <archivist> spindle to body clearance
[12:50:51] <Simonious> well.. 5 axis CAM is beyond my means, but I should be able to get the outline w XZ and a rotary Y IMO
[12:51:34] <archivist> with a teapot you need 5 axis else the tool is at the wrong angle to the surface
[12:52:30] <archivist> use a graver and do it by hand, more authentic :)
[12:55:56] <archivist> I should go on a course for that one day
[13:01:36] <Simonious> Yes, wrong angle to the surface, true.. But with careful tool selection one ought to be able to get a fair out line of the teapot w/ just 3 axes, wouldn't you agree?
[13:04:06] <archivist> depends on the pot and extent of engraving, I prefer to work on flat stuff
[13:04:51] <archivist> so far I have only done hand engraving
[13:06:47] <pink_vampire> the machine run for about 2 hours.
[13:06:53] <pink_vampire> sooo sloooow
[13:07:00] <pink_vampire> 60mm/M
[13:07:06] <pink_vampire> mild steel
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[13:15:19] <pink_vampire> pass 5 from 7
[13:29:26] <ganzuul> Duuuuuuuude!
[13:29:55] <ganzuul> Remember that Babylon 5 episode fromt he perspective of two maintenance workers?
[13:30:19] <ganzuul> Where they go around and point a device at stuff, and they don't know what it does?
[13:30:27] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasonic_impact_treatment
[13:30:46] <ganzuul> Apparently, invented in Russia in the 70s
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[13:40:18] <malcom2073> That's awesome
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[13:50:10] <pink_vampire> pass 6 from 7!!
[13:54:03] <pink_vampire> ganzuul: I think It's like needle gun?
[13:54:12] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW7yeVQDKvU
[13:57:27] <ganzuul> oooh
[13:58:09] <ganzuul> Also!
[13:58:10] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW7yeVQDKvU
[13:58:20] <ganzuul> derp
[13:58:25] <ganzuul> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasonic/sonic_driller/corer
[13:58:31] <ganzuul> Sonic screwdriver
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[14:05:13] <malcom2073> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7Mwk6rbzYs
[14:05:20] <malcom2073> That's odd
[14:05:25] <malcom2073> One axis is the peice actually coming out of the machine
[14:07:40] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: how the stock feeder works?
[14:08:07] <malcom2073> pink_vampire: It's using it as an actual axis though, I thought stock feeders just fed to a predetermined length, while not cutting
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[14:10:30] <pink_vampire> malcom2073: something like double chuck?
[14:11:30] <malcom2073> Like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmNTB7bFRt8
[14:11:34] <ganzuul> Guessing the camera is mounted on the saddle, and the aperture the material is coming through is just there for stability, so the unseen end is attached in a conventional chuck.
[14:11:56] <malcom2073> ganzuul: Ohhh, yeah that's possible
[14:12:41] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u63pntcr3gI
[14:12:56] <anomynous> swiss machine?
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[14:15:39] <pink_vampire> but how the bar feed work?
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[14:16:34] <anomynous> apparently well ;D
[14:17:01] <ssi> morn
[14:18:43] <ganzuul> I'd build a bar feed one of two ways; one where the chuck jaws are actuated by motors and there is a par of wheels like that of the Mythbusters A-team 2x4 launcher, or like I described previously, where the bar is fastened to a conventional chuck and the saddle moves on a long guideway with supports
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[14:19:22] <malcom2073> I like the saddle method, basicalyl have the sadle have a steadyrest that acts as the moving spindle
[14:19:23] <malcom2073> erm
[14:19:25] <malcom2073> the moving chuckl
[14:19:54] <ganzuul> Both ways take up a lot of space.
[14:19:56] <ssi> I've put thought into arrangements like that, because I want to build a tube profiler at some point
[14:20:05] <ssi> and it needs a movable back spindle to really work well
[14:20:09] <ganzuul> I'd say the machine in the saddle method is more versatile.
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[14:22:41] <ganzuul> ssi: You're probably right about where the difficult bit is...!
[14:24:39] <ganzuul> Also, doesn't seem like bar stock is particularly straight.
[14:25:18] <ganzuul> So when you get a few hundred kilos of stuff rotating at typical turning speeds, things might get scary
[14:26:08] <ganzuul> Would need a CNC bar straightener. Like a NC and blowtortch gizmo.
[14:26:50] <ganzuul> 'cause apparently flame straightening is the premiere way of straightening bar stock.
[14:27:04] <ganzuul> So says the internets, anyway.
[14:27:19] <anomynous> at work a guy did test an axle with used spindle speeds but due to things he made a whip out of it and borked the lathe. Some electrics guard was sent flying to a wall ;D
[14:27:43] <ganzuul> o.O
[14:28:42] <_methods> ssi you have server colo'd in atl?
[14:29:07] <ssi> yea
[14:29:11] <anomynous> he made a support inside the tube behind the spindle, but it got to move while machining
[14:29:13] <_methods> where is yours at?
[14:29:18] <_methods> and are you happy with them?
[14:29:23] <ssi> 56 marietta, in the telx facility
[14:29:25] <ssi> and yeah
[14:29:39] <_methods> company i need to talk to?
[14:29:46] <ssi> ugh what is their name
[14:29:48] <ssi> one sec
[14:29:50] <_methods> and how much rack space are you getting?
[14:30:00] <ssi> just 2U
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[14:30:43] <_methods> kk
[14:31:09] <_methods> how much is that /month $110?
[14:32:19] <ganzuul> anomynous: I was looking stuff up about that. Seems those supports normally get bolted to factory floor.
[14:33:31] <ssi> I'm paying about $165/mo, cause I have some extra crap
[14:33:43] <ssi> that gets me 2500GB/mo transfers, which is about equivalent to 7Mb 95%
[14:33:50] <ssi> and I have two netblocks, one of which is routable
[14:33:51] <anomynous> we dont have one ;) We do invidual pieces or just a few pieces an item, so its rare to have long bars going in from behind the spindle. This wasnt full length either. Just a stub with a plastic support inside the tube behind the spindle
[14:34:30] <_methods> 10gbe?
[14:35:06] <ssi> nah I think it's 1gbe locally
[14:35:13] <_methods> good enough for me
[14:35:28] <ssi> I'm not sure my machine even has gigabit now that you mention it
[14:36:24] <ganzuul> riight! Now I understand heat straightening! You heat the convex side so that when hot and soft material is plastically displaced, then when it cools it contracts but doesn't displace! \o/
[14:36:50] <_methods> i want to build a box with one of those grid gpu's and have a cloud 3d machine
[14:37:13] <_methods> be nice to have cad/cam anywhere i have internet connection
[14:37:50] <_methods> need to build the box first and do some initial testing on the home network i guess
[14:38:06] <ssi> lol
[14:38:25] <_methods> putting the cart before the horse
[14:41:05] <_methods> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/build-3d-streaming-applications-with-ec2s-new-g2-instance-type/
[14:41:08] <_methods> hmm
[14:41:11] <_methods> guess i can test on AWS
[14:41:18] <ssi> yeah aws will be cheaper in the short term
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[14:46:21] <PetefromTn_> Oh man I am so pissed off right now ;)
[14:46:58] <_methods> ok i'll bit
[14:47:00] <_methods> bite
[14:47:01] <_methods> lol
[14:47:07] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[14:47:11] <_methods> what happened
[14:47:29] <PetefromTn_> I got this downpipe from the race shop guys they need me to weld to a flange
[14:47:54] <PetefromTn_> it is stainless steel to mild steel tube but they are not really sure of the tube material as they did not make it
[14:48:27] <PetefromTn_> I ordered the new flow regulator for the back purge setup and some other consumables, my new tig fingers on the 13th evening
[14:48:47] <PetefromTn_> at the same time I ordered the TEE fitting I need to install all of the stuff on my argon bottle
[14:48:59] <PetefromTn_> everything BUT the tee fitting arrived in a day or two
[14:49:10] <PetefromTn_> STILL waiting on the frackin' tee fitting
[14:49:17] <PetefromTn_> so right now I can't back purge anything
[14:49:41] <_methods> ouch
[14:49:43] <PetefromTn_> I told the guy what was going on and they said to maybe try doing it without the back purge
[14:49:58] <PetefromTn_> last night I tried a couple short welds around the tube
[14:50:12] <PetefromTn_> it looks okay on the outside but looks like HOLY HELL on the inside
[14:50:15] <PetefromTn_> so I stopped
[14:50:43] <PetefromTn_> I have contacted those assholes that I bought the Tee fitting from and all they said is it shipped
[14:50:55] <PetefromTn_> USPS tracking says it never left their facility
[14:51:06] <PetefromTn_> so I have NO frackin' idea where the thing is
[14:51:23] <PetefromTn_> just got another text from the guys wanting to know how it's going with the downpipe
[14:51:27] <PetefromTn_> I
[14:51:30] <PetefromTn_> DONT
[14:51:32] <PetefromTn_> KNOW
[14:51:34] <PetefromTn_> !!!
[14:52:00] <PetefromTn_> I called around local and nobody seems to have one
[14:52:17] <PetefromTn_> and even if they did the price is 3x what I paid for the one I ordered plus tax
[14:52:23] <ganzuul> What about someone else's argon bottle?
[14:52:28] <PetefromTn_> they all said they could have one by friday
[14:52:47] <PetefromTn_> I don't know anyone else that has one
[14:53:10] <PetefromTn_> my supplier charges me $225 for 5 years to RENT one plus $95 to fill it
[14:53:19] <PetefromTn_> so I don't see them being any help
[14:53:46] <t12> i need to put a purge setup on my bottle
[14:53:49] <PetefromTn_> the only good thing is I told the guys I did not have the tee yet and they are aware of the situation
[14:54:09] <PetefromTn_> but they need to get this damn car back together
[14:54:20] <t12> are you just putting a tee after the regulator and another flow meter/regualtor?
[14:54:21] <PetefromTn_> I don't know what to tell em right now
[14:54:47] <PetefromTn_> just praying that when the mail man rolls thru here in an hour or so he has the damn package with him..
[14:54:47] <ganzuul> Didn't think argon welding was so specialized...
[14:54:56] <PetefromTn_> it's not
[14:55:05] <PetefromTn_> the tee goes on the tank
[14:55:20] <PetefromTn_> the flow regs both go on the female ends of the tee
[14:55:37] <t12> so tee on the high pressure side?
[14:55:59] <PetefromTn_> if I had the back purge setup here this would be a non issue
[14:56:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah as far as I understand it that is how it goes.
[14:56:31] <PetefromTn_> it is the same type of fitting that goes on the bottle
[14:58:02] <t12> hm
[14:58:03] <ssi> why don't you just make one
[14:58:12] <ganzuul> Whelp, if you want my completely unqualified advice
[14:58:43] <ganzuul> Think about wheter you might lose the customer is it's not done quick, and then maybe break into a competitor's weld shop.
[14:58:47] <PetefromTn_> just venting i guess
[14:58:50] <ssi> lol
[14:59:03] <ssi> you're venting when you should be back purging!
[14:59:13] <ganzuul> There's ya problem!
[14:59:15] <PetefromTn_> I know right
[14:59:19] <PetefromTn_> WTF
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[15:07:03] <ganzuul> hey hey hey
[15:07:20] <ganzuul> What about straightening spiraling square tubing?
[15:07:38] <SpeedEvil> how spirally?
[15:08:08] <SpeedEvil> Are we talking 10 degrees in 5m, or does it look like a spring.
[15:10:00] <ganzuul> Wee little. So you couldn't use it for rails.
[15:10:47] <ganzuul> I've been thinking about how to do machine design on the cheap.
[15:10:48] <PetefromTn_> just got off the phone with the guys and they understand the situation. I told them I was not comfortable welding it without the proper setup. they said if the fitting does not come today to bring it back to them and they will find someone else to weld this for them. THIS BITES!!
[15:11:30] <ganzuul> Find the other guy first. Rent some hours in their shop?
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[15:12:30] <PetefromTn_> the problem is there are several shops local that do this stuff... I don't think they are mad about it and I think they STILL want me to do their work in the future from what he said but this does not look good if you know what I mean...
[15:13:35] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: well.
[15:13:48] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: the obvious way is to simply ignore it and bolt it flat to something
[15:14:24] <ganzuul> I was thinking the tubing would be the flat thing that other stuff gets bolted to.
[15:14:26] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: other than that - if it's an even spiral - grab each end with plugs in the end and a big vice on one, and tweak it till it is straight
[15:14:50] <ganzuul> hmm
[15:16:19] <SpeedEvil> you can't do this much - or it will collaps
[15:16:19] <SpeedEvil> e
[15:16:33] <SpeedEvil> but - for a few degrees, you can just treat it as if it was a solid bar
[15:17:00] <ganzuul> SpeedEvil: I'd really want a lightweight alternative to that. Flame straightening round bar you can do with a pair of rollers, a dial gauge, and propane tortch
[15:18:05] <ganzuul> Mind you I'm not actively building something. Just looking for manufacturing techniques.
[15:18:07] <SpeedEvil> In principle you can flame-twist
[15:18:24] <SpeedEvil> In practice, you're trying to bend it assymetrically around the diagonals
[15:18:28] <ganzuul> Some call it lean manufacturing. I call it ghetto rigging.
[15:18:50] <SpeedEvil> A vice, a wrench and a cheater bar - doesn't get more lightweright
[15:18:56] <Jymmm> ghetto phabulous FTW!!!
[15:19:26] <Jymmm> ganzuul: (You should see my GhettoNAS =)
[15:19:27] <ganzuul> Jymmm: That's a much better term
[15:19:33] <ganzuul> lol
[15:20:30] <Jymmm> ganzuul: 8TB ZFS booting from a uSD card for over 7 years, running a 1U PS and a server mobo
[15:20:55] <Jymmm> ...in a mid tower case, cause 1U fans are louder than phuk!
[15:20:56] <ganzuul> Nice!
[15:21:03] <ganzuul> yeah
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[15:23:10] <Jymmm> It may not look pretty, but my ghetto shit runs forever =)
[15:23:53] <Jymmm> and no duct tape was harmed in the making there of.
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[15:26:58] <ganzuul> SpeedEvil: I remember someone recommending you fill the tube with sand before you start twisting it...
[15:27:11] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[15:27:13] <zeeshan> hi
[15:27:21] <PetefromTn_> hey man
[15:27:30] <zeeshan> how thick is the mild steel flange
[15:27:33] <zeeshan> and tube?
[15:27:37] <Jymmm> ganzuul: 1/2 steel tubing?
[15:27:52] <Jymmm> or wrought iron
[15:27:56] <PetefromTn_> its a stainless flange....apparently a mild steel tube
[15:28:28] <PetefromTn_> at least they don't really know what sort of tube it is.... it had a coating on it I had to sand away around the heat affected zone
[15:28:46] <Jymmm> oh nm, one shop made a twister out of transmission =)
[15:29:31] <zeeshan> got a pic?
[15:29:32] <PetefromTn_> there are a couple spots on the tube where the coating either rubbed or chipped off along its length that show some surface rust so that is why they think it is not stainless Id have to agree
[15:29:37] <zeeshan> of tube
[15:29:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah I can get one hang on
[15:30:01] <zeeshan> also of pic of weld
[15:30:05] <zeeshan> outside and inside plz
[15:30:10] <zeeshan> maybe we can do this in a bind
[15:30:11] <PetefromTn_> either way it really fuzzes up on the inside when I tried to weld it
[15:30:12] <zeeshan> with no purge
[15:30:30] <PetefromTn_> I don't want to even try man
[15:30:46] <PetefromTn_> if I can't do it right I would rather pass on the thing than fuck it up
[15:30:47] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: that's not relevant for small bends
[15:31:00] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, I assume you know that if you use sanding or grinding disks on steel then stainless the stainless will rust
[15:31:20] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: the tube will buckle perhaps once you get to one turn per 50 diameters
[15:31:26] <PetefromTn_> waiting to see if the damn mail man has the fitting
[15:31:32] <ganzuul> :o
[15:31:32] <SpeedEvil> ganzuul: you're way, way over that.
[15:31:34] <ganzuul> hmm
[15:31:46] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i almost never use backpurge
[15:31:48] <zeeshan> for flanges
[15:31:49] <Jymmm> use a bending spring thingy?
[15:31:49] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop the rust spots are not my doing they are from being under the car for awhile
[15:31:50] <zeeshan> i dont have this fuzz
[15:31:52] <zeeshan> thats why im curious
[15:32:45] <PetefromTn_> how the hell do you weld it without back purge from stainless to steel?
[15:33:41] <ganzuul> Braze?
[15:34:19] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: underwater
[15:34:40] * SpeedEvil wishes argon concentrators from the air were cheap
[15:34:56] <SpeedEvil> On a random point - what does shielding with nitrogen actually do
[15:35:24] <SpeedEvil> does it look like it works, or do you get coloration like with air, but just nitrides?
[15:36:07] <ganzuul> There is also a lot of moisture in air...
[15:37:35] <SpeedEvil> yes - I was assuming you use a complete shield of nitrogen, nothing else
[15:37:40] <t12> inhibits oxidation
[15:37:55] <t12> or do you mean nitrogen vs some other gas
[15:38:06] <SpeedEvil> Argon is typically used.
[15:38:10] <SpeedEvil> Nitrogen is way cheaper.
[15:38:13] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ChxeYVe.jpg
[15:38:17] <t12> nitrogen is a little reactive
[15:38:17] <SpeedEvil> I was assuming it's not due to big argon
[15:38:19] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/rfKLnxh.jpg
[15:38:22] <SpeedEvil> I know
[15:38:30] <zeeshan> sorry about the carbon inside, it was a while ago
[15:38:39] <zeeshan> thats 0.0625 stainless tuber and 3/8 mild steel flange
[15:38:50] <zeeshan> no backpurge
[15:39:15] <zeeshan> weld specs: 100A
[15:39:23] <zeeshan> regular nozzle
[15:39:30] <ganzuul> I'ma need one of these:
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--yh6cWNTg--/18s4ixgiectejjpg.jpg
[15:40:02] <zeeshan> surface prep -> none (you dont need to vgroove anything)
[15:40:13] <zeeshan> just have a clean surface that you cleaned with acetone
[15:40:51] <t12> maybe if theres no gap and you're not actually having arc on the inside
[15:40:53] <t12> it works out better?
[15:41:03] <zeeshan> you want your torch focused on the flange more than the tube so you should be at a 15 degree angle from the tube
[15:41:17] <zeeshan> if you have a 45 degree angle between the two
[15:41:21] <zeeshan> you'll blow through the tube
[15:41:38] <zeeshan> and you want your tungsten at most .1875" away
[15:41:41] <zeeshan> to .125
[15:41:49] <zeeshan> so you're heating up a wider area
[15:42:05] <zeeshan> t12: nahh not when youre butt welding
[15:42:10] <zeeshan> you get a really raised up weld if you do that
[15:42:20] <zeeshan> and you gotta put more heat into the material to melt it
[15:45:58] <ssi> zeeshan: I need to import you for a week and you can help me tighten up my welding :P
[15:46:09] <ssi> and fix my damn machines
[15:46:12] <zeeshan> im noob
[15:46:18] <zeeshan> you need toxic fab
[15:46:19] <zeeshan> !
[15:46:23] <ssi> I need wat
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[15:46:43] <skunkworks> zeeshan: did you run your spindle with analog? (saw the video)
[15:46:50] <zeeshan> yes skunkworks!!!!!!
[15:46:55] <zeeshan> it works so much better!!!
[15:46:55] <skunkworks> work a lot better?
[15:46:59] <skunkworks> ah - great!
[15:47:01] <zeeshan> so much more responsive
[15:47:09] <skunkworks> realtime rules...
[15:47:12] <zeeshan> yessir
[15:47:20] <zeeshan> i read a lot about modbus
[15:47:31] <zeeshan> even if i spent time on trying to make a realtime component for it
[15:47:44] <zeeshan> the vfd will probably not respond fast enough because the protocol isn't realtime
[15:47:52] <zeeshan> so i think analog is the way to go
[15:48:11] <ssi> k store bbiab
[15:48:40] <zeeshan> im still using modbus for non critical things like coolant pump vfd and hydraulics vfd
[15:48:54] <skunkworks> sure - great for that.
[15:50:09] <ganzuul> USB has realtime provisions in the protocol.
[15:50:19] <ganzuul> Seldom gets used though.
[15:50:25] <anomynous> http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=73a8340 its a good thing the bar can be cut in half and both ends used, so no material is lost in the process.
[15:50:25] <pcw_home> Ha Ha Ha
[15:51:03] <pcw_home> USB is terrible for anything that needs reliable realtime transport
[15:51:22] <ganzuul> On Windows, yes.
[15:51:23] <anomynous> why
[15:51:46] <_methods> wow not good to have that much bar hanging out the end
[15:52:10] <pcw_home> on anything its shite from the ground up
[15:52:17] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan
http://i.imgur.com/DOER902.jpg
[15:52:32] <zeeshan> oh
[15:52:35] <zeeshan> thats ceramic coating pete
[15:52:37] <zeeshan> on the tube
[15:52:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I thought
[15:52:54] <zeeshan> no wonder youre having a hard time
[15:52:55] <ganzuul> pcw_home: But you really need a microcontroller to get more rt than what is possible with the USB protocol.
[15:52:57] <zeeshan> that shit is nasty
[15:53:08] <zeeshan> even a spec of it being there
[15:53:16] <zeeshan> will cause black crap in your weld puddle
[15:53:25] <PetefromTn_> I sanded/scotchbrited the HAA
[15:53:43] <PetefromTn_> I did not go crazy on the inside tho
[15:53:46] <zeeshan> did you acetone after?
[15:53:54] <zeeshan> youre gonna have to clean the carbon on the inside too if you can
[15:53:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah I ALWAYS wipe with acetone before I weld
[15:53:59] <zeeshan> cause if you penetrate too much
[15:54:07] <zeeshan> the carbon also owns the weld puddle
[15:54:20] <zeeshan> i always tell people this:
[15:54:22] <PetefromTn_> okay so clean the shit out of the inside
[15:54:22] <pcw_home> The problems with USB for real time are myriad, just not worth the effort
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[15:54:28] <ganzuul> pcw_home: The realtime mode of USB is BTW really poorly documented, so you don't see a lot of good implementations.
[15:54:29] <PetefromTn_> clean and bright
[15:54:29] <zeeshan> "if it used metal -- 50/50 change it'll look like butthole"
[15:54:37] <zeeshan> "but i can grind it clean and make it shiny!"
[15:54:45] <zeeshan> yes
[15:54:52] <zeeshan> the tube goes inside that v-band flange right?
[15:54:56] <ganzuul> pcw_home: On that point you are correct.
[15:54:59] <PetefromTn_> no its a butt weld
[15:55:10] <zeeshan> ah
[15:55:20] <PetefromTn_> it is NOT an ideal situation whatsoever
[15:55:21] <zeeshan> i was imagining a fillet weld all this time :(
[15:55:23] <ganzuul> pcw_home: But it could be solved in the kernel though...
[15:55:35] <PetefromTn_> if it was a fillet weld I would probably be done with it by now ;)
[15:55:41] <SpeedEvil> Butt welds should always look like butt.
[15:55:46] <zeeshan> lol
[15:56:03] <zeeshan> honestly i wouldnt put more than 70 amps into it
[15:56:15] <PetefromTn_> I have been trying to sand and scotchbrite the inside to help it
[15:56:19] <zeeshan> and i'd have 90% of the arc focused over the flange
[15:56:21] <zeeshan> cause it's thicker
[15:56:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am not using much
[15:56:33] <skunkworks> anomynous, whip it good!
[15:56:34] <PetefromTn_> yup
[15:56:35] <zeeshan> just weld it and polish it
[15:56:35] <zeeshan> lol
[15:56:42] <pcw_home> If you use a host with a normal system USB will be shared with non RT devices which will hang the hardware when you renumerate
[15:56:46] <zeeshan> and blame the carbon inside
[15:56:51] <zeeshan> be like it's impossible to clean it :-)
[15:56:53] <pcw_home> just shite for RT
[15:56:56] <PetefromTn_> I think I REALLY need the back purge for this just to help clean the other side
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[15:57:06] <zeeshan> you can grind the inside
[15:57:07] <zeeshan> after
[15:57:17] <ganzuul> pcw_home: You can appropriate the entire USB chip for your use.
[15:57:18] <zeeshan> itll take a few min with die grinder
[15:57:20] <PetefromTn_> it's not the appearance I am worried about
[15:57:23] <zeeshan> no one will care :P
[15:57:46] <PetefromTn_> if the weld is all contaminated it will probably fail due to the thin section of this tube
[15:57:51] <zeeshan> nahh
[15:58:04] <PetefromTn_> they actually told me to weld it without back purge because they did not want to wait
[15:58:17] <zeeshan> yea they prolly wanna send it out for ceramic coating again
[15:58:18] <PetefromTn_> but I don't like doing shit work here
[15:58:26] <PetefromTn_> nope apparently not
[15:58:34] <zeeshan> its not shit work pete
[15:58:35] <PetefromTn_> so I think it is mild steel tube
[15:58:47] <PetefromTn_> because they had it coated
[15:58:51] <zeeshan> you're gonmna get 10% more strength with back purge
[15:58:55] <zeeshan> its not worth the hassle and wait
[15:59:07] <ganzuul> pcw_home: However this just moves the bottleneck to DMA, so you need to real-time that too. I stopped researching when I got that far.
[15:59:08] <PetefromTn_> but it WILL help with contamination
[15:59:18] <zeeshan> youre getting contamination cause of carbon
[15:59:21] <zeeshan> not cause of back purging
[15:59:26] <zeeshan> yuou'd get it w/ back purging too
[15:59:51] <PetefromTn_> I am going to sand the interior of the tube some more and try a little weld again and see if that helps.
[16:00:02] <zeeshan> yes try
[16:00:10] <PetefromTn_> but I kinda doubt it
[16:00:10] <zeeshan> you got flappy round disc things
[16:00:12] <zeeshan> for your grinder?
[16:00:22] <zeeshan> just trust me pete :-(
[16:00:24] <PetefromTn_> PRAYING the damn mail man has a package for me today
[16:00:37] <zeeshan> clean a small area inside
[16:00:38] <PetefromTn_> I have all sorts of sanding and grinding bits here
[16:00:42] <zeeshan> and do like a 0.5 " long weld
[16:00:50] <zeeshan> 60-70A
[16:00:55] <zeeshan> youll see a difference right away
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[16:01:28] <PetefromTn_> I DID clean the inside and sanded it a bit before I tried the first time but I did not go crazy with it... I will now go nutz cleaning the inside
[16:01:38] <zeeshan> can have no black
[16:01:41] <PetefromTn_> and then try a bit
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[16:01:56] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I have welded used exhaust tubing before
[16:02:02] <PetefromTn_> it is a bitch
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[16:02:15] <PetefromTn_> thanks for the suggestions man.
[16:02:26] <zeeshan> np!
[16:03:49] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMTZ1ccrIJc
[16:04:07] <pink_vampire> DR Dan comment
[16:05:48] <ganzuul> pink_vampire: Use metric
[16:06:28] <ganzuul> Pipe fittings are imperial here...
[16:13:31] <pink_vampire> I like metric also, but use imperial the most..
[16:20:27] <ganzuul> I think you can flame straighten a spiraling square tube... If you always heat two spots in a diagonal instead of just one
[16:20:40] <ganzuul> ...4 spots
[16:21:01] <ganzuul> On each side, so you don't bend it.
[16:21:53] <ganzuul> Some of the geometry still vexes me though.
[16:23:00] <ganzuul> eg. should you heat the corners, or the flats?
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[16:24:41] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4J06RLdiPs
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[16:50:06] <zeeshan> what is a typical engraving depth
[16:50:14] <zeeshan> for ss
[16:50:24] <zeeshan> im looking at a past thing i did
[16:50:25] <archivist> sufficient
[16:50:27] <zeeshan> i have 0.015
[16:50:30] <zeeshan> seems deep
[16:50:59] <archivist> I bet most of that was clearance
[16:51:08] <zeeshan> nahh
[16:51:13] <zeeshan> its a mastercam file
[16:53:08] <archivist> still needed clearance regardless of how the file was made
[16:54:10] <zeeshan> what do you mean
[16:54:21] <zeeshan> im not looking at the g-code
[16:54:27] <zeeshan> im looking at the mastercam file
[16:54:34] <zeeshan> depth is set to 0.015
[16:54:52] <zeeshan> feed plane is 0.2
[16:55:02] <archivist> and clearamce when not engraving is?
[16:55:15] <jdh> .2
[16:56:30] <zeeshan> archivist: 0.2 is the clearance
[16:56:40] <zeeshan> 0 is where the engraving tip would just make contact
[16:56:44] <zeeshan> -0.015 is depth
[16:56:51] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/YiM1851.jpg
[16:56:53] <zeeshan> it looks fine to me
[16:56:57] <zeeshan> but hopefully i dont snap the tip
[16:57:03] <zeeshan> frigging stainless.
[16:57:21] <jdh> v bit?
[16:57:26] <zeeshan> yessir
[16:57:35] <zeeshan> 0.3mm rad , 25 degree angle
[16:58:18] <archivist> there is a hole in the flower stems!
[16:58:31] <zeeshan> haha
[16:58:33] <zeeshan> hahahahhahaa
[16:59:08] <zeeshan> i got to make a 100 of these
[16:59:23] <zeeshan> wanna order enough engraving bits
[16:59:26] <archivist> should be shot for that artistic phail
[16:59:35] <zeeshan> there is a dsisplay there archivist
[16:59:37] <zeeshan> thats why the cutout |:D
[16:59:45] <jdh> that's a lot of wax
[16:59:59] <zeeshan> im gonna make a fixture of 20 of them
[17:00:15] <zeeshan> do 20 in 1 setup
[17:01:05] <archivist> I am used to looking at leaded windows and clock engraving hence I noticed that
[17:01:22] <zeeshan> you dont like the engraving? :(
[17:01:54] <archivist> top right flower/leaf is wrong angle to stem
[17:02:17] <zeeshan> it is an odd leaf
[17:02:20] <zeeshan> he had a bad day
[17:02:38] <zeeshan> i just design to what he wants!
[17:02:43] <zeeshan> if this was my thing
[17:02:53] <archivist> lower right stem has no leaf
[17:02:54] <zeeshan> i wouldnt even have a border
[17:02:58] <zeeshan> i'd have a chamfer on the outside
[17:03:10] <zeeshan> and none of the vines cutting through the cut out
[17:03:16] <zeeshan> yes
[17:03:18] <zeeshan> that bothers me!
[17:03:21] <zeeshan> i originally had one there
[17:04:31] <archivist> they sent me to trace this the other day
http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=9544&subject=28375
[17:06:42] <pink_vampire> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1egmm_4Y3Rk
[17:06:48] <spline> http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/20/with-100m-in-funding-carbon3d-will-make-3d-manufacturing-a-reality/
[17:09:15] <PetefromTn_> that's funny I thought 3d manufacturing was already a reality....hehe
[17:09:57] <zeeshan> wow
[17:10:01] <zeeshan> thats a serious investment
[17:10:02] <zeeshan> for that thing
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[17:10:33] <zeeshan> its at 7x speed in that video
[17:10:35] <zeeshan> and its slow as shit
[17:10:44] <zeeshan> i dont know how they're claiming 100x faster than regular 3d printing
[17:10:45] <zeeshan> lol
[17:11:31] <archivist> compared to a glue gun
[17:13:29] <archivist> and "photochemical process" is not new
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[17:18:54] <zeeshan> i need some opinion
[17:18:59] <zeeshan> to see if this guy is being picky
[17:19:03] <zeeshan> or im being not understanding
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[17:22:41] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/iJTKhrz.png
[17:22:58] <zeeshan> is the cylinder placed too far to the left
[17:22:59] <zeeshan> from the body?
[17:24:03] <Rab> To far for what?
[17:24:35] <pink_vampire> zeeshan: perfume?
[17:25:01] <Rab> Looks like it'll break out if it's supposed to go all the way to the bottom.
[17:28:52] <PetefromTn_> it does appear a bit close to the outside edge
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[17:44:34] <zeeshan> hes not worried about strength
[17:44:47] <pink_vampire> my band saw stend die
[17:44:48] <zeeshan> lemme highlight
[17:46:06] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/4VDASPi.png
[17:46:16] <zeeshan> he basically wants that
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[17:47:26] <zeeshan> i cant believe my week off is almost coming to a close
[17:47:27] <zeeshan> :{
[17:48:33] <Loetmichel2> hmmm... after my wifes wheeelchair was ruined by the london cobblestones... (
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15919 <- both front wheels bent sideways to the point they thouch the swivel fork) i bought a set of these:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/271957318322 ... and will add 4 4mm thick milled aluminium plates to the sides by 20 screws or so), so "bbs rims" look ;)
[17:48:59] <zeeshan> haha
[17:49:07] <zeeshan> youre adding some style to the wheelchair :P
[17:49:30] <archivist> that is a frame fail not a wheel fail
[17:49:40] <Loetmichel2> hmm?
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[17:50:13] <Loetmichel2> why is the frame at fail?
[17:50:40] <archivist> its bent
[17:51:43] <Loetmichel2> it isnt
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[17:51:49] <archivist> the tube going into the wheel should be vertical
[17:51:53] <Loetmichel2> it is produced that way
[17:51:57] <Loetmichel2> it is
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[17:52:28] <Loetmichel2> the lower part where the wheel is threaded in anyway
[17:52:36] <Loetmichel2> thats just bad perspective
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[18:38:11] <Tom_itx> zeeshan you're making those from SS?
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[18:40:51] <zeeshan> the plates with engraving?
[18:41:49] <Tom_itx> oh you're adding plates to the side?
[18:41:56] <Tom_itx> i thought it was all one piece
[18:41:58] <zeeshan> no
[18:42:01] <zeeshan> its a multicomponent piece
[18:42:08] <zeeshan> piece = assembly i mean
[18:42:12] <Tom_itx> hope you're getting paid good for it
[18:42:21] <zeeshan> im still figuring out the cost
[18:42:34] <zeeshan> its a pretty involved project
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[18:42:41] <Tom_itx> you got about 500 in dev time already at least
[18:42:49] <zeeshan> way more than that
[18:42:54] <zeeshan> hes paid me for all my devel
[18:43:00] <Tom_itx> oh well good
[18:43:01] <zeeshan> ive put 50 hours into it
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[18:43:20] <zeeshan> the engraving plates don't look too bad though
[18:43:28] <zeeshan> as long as i can fixture 20 of them at a time
[18:43:28] <Tom_itx> he must have high hopes for this thing
[18:43:35] <zeeshan> i can knock all the stainless plates out in a day
[18:43:49] <zeeshan> but the wood form -- just the surfacing time is 6 hours!
[18:43:53] <zeeshan> im trying to figure out how to reduce that
[18:43:59] <Tom_itx> oh the main part is wood?
[18:44:03] <zeeshan> yes
[18:44:06] <zeeshan> stablized wood
[18:44:07] <Tom_itx> no wonder you wanted wood feeds
[18:44:13] <zeeshan> so its a polymer infused wood
[18:44:16] <zeeshan> so not exactly 100% wood
[18:44:28] <Tom_itx> hope the polymer doesn't dull the bits
[18:44:39] <Tom_itx> or gum up on them
[18:44:46] <zeeshan> especially if im moving FAST
[18:44:52] <zeeshan> i need to be machining these at 100 ipm
[18:44:58] <zeeshan> to reduce the time significantly
[18:45:02] <zeeshan> or increase step over
[18:45:13] <Tom_itx> fast crap parts or quality good parts
[18:45:27] <zeeshan> well he's handing finishing them
[18:45:34] <Tom_itx> what's your stepover on the ball mill?
[18:45:54] <zeeshan> i did the calc a couple days ago, lemme recall
[18:45:54] <Tom_itx> cusp height or less than that?
[18:46:08] <Tom_itx> what size mill?
[18:46:12] <zeeshan> i think the 15 thou was the 6 hour surfacing time
[18:46:15] <zeeshan> 1/4
[18:46:33] <Tom_itx> you should be able to go more than that
[18:46:53] <Tom_itx> try .025 or .030
[18:47:20] <Tom_itx> run a test one at .030 and see how it turns out
[18:47:23] <zeeshan> will do
[18:47:32] <zeeshan> he gave me some wood to play with
[18:47:38] <zeeshan> i call it wood, but you know what i mean
[18:47:39] <zeeshan> S WOOD!
[18:47:45] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[18:47:55] <Tom_itx> you could even try more than that
[18:47:56] <zeeshan> my plan was to machine 4 different sides of it with different stepovers
[18:47:58] <Tom_itx> .050 maybe
[18:48:08] <zeeshan> and take a 250 grit
[18:48:11] <zeeshan> and see how quick it was to remove
[18:48:39] <Tom_itx> you're probably not gonna notice it as much in wood
[18:48:44] <pink_vampire> someone know where i can set the rapid move speed in hsm express?
[18:49:55] <JT-Shop> "rapid" is as fast as the machine can go...
[18:50:04] <zeeshan> a simple piece like this
[18:50:07] <zeeshan> is not so simple
[18:50:16] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: she means for simulation times
[18:50:20] <zeeshan> if you dont have it set right
[18:50:24] <zeeshan> you get some deviation
[18:51:14] <zeeshan> (though its not that big of a deal) :P
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[18:55:07] <JT-Shop> oh
[18:55:25] <JT-Shop> I deleted hms it slowed my computer down too much
[18:55:33] <zeeshan> what do you use
[18:55:53] * JT-Shop wonders why she just dosen't use a LinuxCNC sim to test code
[18:55:56] <JT-Shop> OneCNC
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[19:33:49] <pink_vampire> https://youtu.be/M50wnj5Se4g
[19:34:18] <pink_vampire> lathe ^
[19:35:12] <XXCoder> human lathe
[19:37:18] <zeeshan> lol
[19:37:39] <XXCoder> im sure few people would put that to different use :P
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[19:49:19] <zeeshan> tom alive? :P
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[19:54:54] <jdh> itym: HIGH hopes
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[20:04:30] <fenn> Loetmichel2: interesting, is that fiberglass?
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=335
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[20:21:19] * furrywolf notes the replacement cost of those cutting inserts is rather high
[20:22:05] <XXCoder> still cheaper than single giant drill or em or facemill so on heh
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[20:31:39] <Simonious> getting up to speed on Fusion 360 and I'm starting to get it to work. It seems somewhat superior to CAMBAM - what have other people's experiences been?
[20:32:58] <ffurrywol> isn't that the stupid "cloud based" software where you have to have a high-speed internet connection, windows, and a fat wallet to send them money every month?
[20:33:14] <Simonious> Yes, no, yes, no
[20:33:34] <Simonious> I'm on super crappy internet and it works well
[20:33:41] <Simonious> and.. it's free for enthusiasts
[20:33:53] <Simonious> and more mature and capable than CAMBAM - at least that is what my limited experience is showing.
[20:34:14] <Simonious> ffurrywol: what do you use?
[20:34:30] <Simonious> CAMBAM has been very slow and cumbersome for me
[20:34:38] <Simonious> and it seems to extra struggle with 3D cuts
[20:34:43] <ffurrywol> pawcam. it's where you use your paws to type in g-code. :)
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[20:34:51] * Simonious nods
[20:35:01] * ffurrywol hasn't found working cad/cam yet
[20:35:02] <Simonious> CAMBAM works well enough for 2.5D stuff
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[20:35:26] <Simonious> ffurrywol: well I don't have enough experience to recommend anything, but I've tried 5 things and so far F360 is winning
[20:35:53] <Simonious> running EMC2 on the target machine.
[20:36:30] <furrywolf> except that I have no internet connection where my mill is, no windows (eww), no desire to ever use anything "cloud based", and no plans to ever rent software.
[20:37:15] <XXCoder> furrywolf: how far away is your mill from your internet connection
[20:37:26] <Simonious> I also have no internet on the mill, I use sneakernet
[20:37:29] <XXCoder> could set local network and you could create shares
[20:37:38] <XXCoder> *shared drive
[20:37:45] <furrywolf> one mile
[20:37:45] <furrywolf> and, no, it's not line-of-sight.
[20:37:50] <Simonious> :D
[20:37:58] <Simonious> Mine is 50 feet from the net
[20:38:00] <XXCoder> too bad, cannenta would help
[20:38:13] <XXCoder> cant spell that, use pringo can to make long range wifi
[20:38:18] <furrywolf> I have 24dbi parabolic dishes if I wanted to do that. cantennas are a worthless hack.
[20:38:37] <XXCoder> it works and not expensive lol
[20:38:46] <furrywolf> however, this is why I pointed out that there is no line of sight, just to stop suggestions like that.
[20:38:51] <XXCoder> what is between though? hill?
[20:38:55] <furrywolf> yes
[20:39:02] <XXCoder> relay
[20:39:09] <XXCoder> solar powered relay
[20:39:11] <furrywolf> private property.
[20:39:18] <XXCoder> oh not yours?
[20:39:31] <furrywolf> no, I don't happen to own an entire hill, as much as I'd like to.
[20:39:36] <XXCoder> lol
[20:39:38] <XXCoder> well darn
[20:39:38] * furrywolf owns an entire nothing
[20:39:53] <XXCoder> you own 99.9% of universe then
[20:40:03] <XXCoder> :)
[20:40:23] <furrywolf> dunno, if that emdrive works, then it might be there is no nothing. :P
[20:40:40] <XXCoder> nah theres empty nothing everywhere
[20:41:01] <XXCoder> human body is largely nothing. atom is BIG percent empty space
[20:41:06] <XXCoder> weird eh
[20:41:25] <XXCoder> well time for me to go later
[20:41:25] <SpeedEvil> Some are more nothing than others.
[20:42:01] <furrywolf> and according to hollywood, if you remove that nothing, you also have no mass! just look at honey I shrunk the kids, etc. :P
[20:42:33] <XXCoder> lol
[20:42:45] <XXCoder> yeah 5 adults walking on tab;e
[20:42:50] <XXCoder> it should have broke tabl;e
[20:43:11] <XXCoder> unless they found a way to compact and remove uneeded atoms
[20:44:49] <XXCoder> furrywolf: it would be interesting if science found a way to compact space between electrons and center, it would mean much more compact (and dense) matter. should be field effect though
[20:44:57] <XXCoder> so atoms getting out reverts to normal size
[20:46:07] <XXCoder> heh thought of abuse of that. 100 clowns out of car, no tricks
[20:46:40] <XXCoder> anyway later
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[21:06:11] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:18:18] <Tom_itx> hah
[22:18:24] <Tom_itx> apparently i can get CATIA free
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[22:22:18] <jdh> free is good
[22:23:35] <Tom_itx> not sure i have a 64bit os set up though
[22:24:09] <Tom_itx> access to solidworks 2015 too
[22:24:39] <Tom_itx> err 2014
[22:27:57] <PCW> micges_: the USB pic programmer we have is MELABS U2
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[22:28:47] <micges> PCW: thanks
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[22:36:01] <Tom_itx> is solidworks put out by Dassault Systems?
[22:36:52] <[cube]> yes
[22:37:35] <Tom_itx> hmm, they also own CATIA apparently
[22:39:33] <jdh> and lots of other stuff
[22:42:42] <Tom_itx> wonder if it will run on a tablet
[22:42:57] <Tom_itx> only thing i have running 64 bit atm
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[22:56:03] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: sweet man
[22:56:05] <zeeshan> get both!
[23:05:15] <Tom_itx> well solidworks works remotely from their server
[23:05:30] <zeeshan> catia is extremely hard to use :P
[23:05:32] <zeeshan> but super powerful
[23:05:43] <Tom_itx> i have the book :)
[23:06:05] <zeeshan> the only reason i can see for hobby/small/medium use that catia is beneficial
[23:06:08] <zeeshan> is cause it's already got cam in it
[23:06:17] <Tom_itx> no it doesn't
[23:06:21] <zeeshan> what!
[23:06:30] <zeeshan> it doesnt?!?
[23:06:31] <zeeshan> since when
[23:06:32] <Tom_itx> not that i'm aware of
[23:06:39] <zeeshan> it does
[23:06:40] <Tom_itx> if it does, it's new
[23:06:42] <zeeshan> no
[23:06:45] <zeeshan> its been around for a long time
[23:06:51] <Tom_itx> back when.. my bud had to get a 3rd party add on
[23:06:56] <Tom_itx> i know
[23:07:23] <ganzuul> Solid Edge is the design part of NX... \o/
[23:08:07] <zeeshan> at the end of the day ive used so many software
[23:08:13] <zeeshan> for work etc
[23:08:20] <zeeshan> but my fav has to be solidworks w/ mastercam
[23:08:24] <zeeshan> it pretty much does everything ineed
[23:08:36] <zeeshan> but i can't tell you why
[23:08:38] <Tom_itx> smartcam works for me
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[23:10:21] * Wolf_ knows nothing of these things…
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[23:10:54] <zeeshan> so Tom_itx i think i am close to figuring out how to machine this thing
[23:11:32] <Tom_itx> hold the tool in the x axis and put the part in the spindle :)
[23:11:49] <Wolf_> add a 5th axis?
[23:11:50] <Jymmm> have a beaver do it for you
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[23:18:23] <zeeshan> lol
[23:18:38] <zeeshan> im actually working on the cam for it right now
[23:18:42] <zeeshan> so ill have a decent time
[23:23:42] <Jymmm> Beaver Cam?
[23:24:14] <Jymmm> All you need now is a midget hooker and THAT's A PARTY!!!
[23:26:17] <renesis> dont forget the jello
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[23:29:06] <zeeshan> the minds in this room
[23:29:07] <zeeshan> :-)
[23:30:36] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you posted a pdf yesterday with wood feeds and speeds
[23:30:59] <zeeshan> http://www.onsrud.com/files/pdf/2012%20LMT%20Onsrud%20Production%20Cutting%20Tools%20Hard%20Wood.pdf
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[23:31:09] <zeeshan> whats the series on the left? :P
[23:31:19] <Wolf_> starting to wonder if I should CNC my mini lathe too :/
[23:31:31] <malcom2073> Do it Wolf!
[23:31:32] <zeeshan> Wolf_: one thing at a time
[23:31:32] <zeeshan> :)
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[23:42:25] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, probably onsrud cutter series
[23:42:43] * zeeshan doesnt not know where to buy ball nose cutters for wood
[23:42:45] <zeeshan> CHEAP!
[23:42:53] <Tom_itx> 2 flute
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[23:47:24] <Jymmm> zeeshan: why ballnose?
[23:47:26] <jdh> sometimes,it is too expensive to buy cheap crap
[23:47:34] <zeeshan> cheap is 30 bux
[23:47:35] <zeeshan> for a 1/4"
[23:47:36] <jdh> 3d surface milling
[23:47:37] <zeeshan> cant find that
[23:47:55] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Why not V-Groove?
[23:48:17] <zeeshan> ball nose removes more material
[23:48:39] <Jymmm> I din't know what you are doing, but I'll take your word for it.
[23:48:43] <Jymmm> don't*
[23:48:49] <jdh> he's making weed vapes
[23:48:51] <zeeshan> ive only been doing it for 10 days now
[23:49:15] <Jymmm> jdh: Gawd, I hope not, no wood is used in vaping =)
[23:49:29] <Jymmm> mosfets yes, but not wood =)
[23:49:35] <jdh> the wood is decorative
[23:49:55] <Jymmm> and toxic to inhale depending on species =)
[23:49:58] <Tom_itx> http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/14carbideballendmill2flute.aspx
[23:50:09] <zeeshan> thats for metal :P
[23:50:09] <jdh> I am under the impression that he seriously belives they are for cig types.
[23:50:18] <Tom_itx> it will cut wood
[23:50:20] <zeeshan> jdh pot smokers
[23:50:22] <jdh> upcut carbide
[23:50:27] <zeeshan> wont be able to afford this
[23:50:28] <zeeshan> lol
[23:50:32] <zeeshan> so i know it's for e-cigs
[23:50:54] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: remember im trying to go as fast as possible
[23:50:56] <jdh> because suave, sophisticated nic addicts will
[23:50:57] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Are you REALLY making does for vaping?
[23:51:05] <zeeshan> i feel like a a higher positive rake tool
[23:51:06] <Jymmm> stuff*
[23:51:07] <zeeshan> will work better
[23:51:18] <zeeshan> even a ball nose made for aluminum for example
[23:51:24] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Are you REALLY making stuff for vaping out of wood?
[23:51:27] <andypugh> http://www.trenddirectuk.com/router-bits/radius-cutters/radius-and-coves.html
[23:51:45] <zeeshan> thats exactly what i need andy
[23:51:53] <renesis> vap bros are prob the best non feedback whip vap, theyre built into wood boxes
[23:51:54] <zeeshan> motherengland
[23:52:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.onsrud.com/product/Item/m/itemDetail.html?itemId=52-280B
[23:52:51] <andypugh> Maybe “cove” is what you need?
[23:53:10] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Are you REALLY making stuff for vaping out of wood?
[23:53:19] <PetefromTn_> hey folks
[23:53:30] <zeeshan> andypugh: i think you nailed it
[23:53:37] <zeeshan> i think they're called cove bits
[23:53:39] <zeeshan> and thanks tom
[23:53:50] <renesis> zeeshan is anti recreational chemical use
[23:53:59] <zeeshan> only retards need to smoke drugs
[23:54:08] <zeeshan> so yes i am very anti-recreational drug use
[23:54:12] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I use and highly recommend CMT router bits for wood...
http://www.cmtutensili.com/show_items.asp?pars=RB~~2
[23:54:18] <renesis> heh remember the arcade games in the 80s?
[23:54:27] <zeeshan> Jymmm: nice site
[23:54:45] <Tom_itx> https://www.vortextool.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=23
[23:54:58] <renesis> zeeshan:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Winners_Dont_Use_Drugs.png !
[23:55:09] <PetefromTn_> I don't think a cove bit would be ideal I would definitely look at a 2 flute ball endmill for the 3d contouring
[23:55:16] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[23:55:17] <zeeshan> http://www.woodline.com/p-1529-plunging-ball-bits.aspx
[23:55:22] <zeeshan> see this is a decent price
[23:55:24] <zeeshan> nice Jymmm
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[23:55:26] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I primarly use 1/4" spiral upcut or downcut depending on the specifis of what I'm doing. If it's a nice finis on top you are looking for, then downcut but can get clogged with sawdust
[23:55:35] <zeeshan> i dont need a good finish
[23:55:39] <zeeshan> need need quick material removal
[23:55:43] <zeeshan> like REALLY quick!!
[23:55:46] <zeeshan> 100 ipm quick
[23:55:57] <zeeshan> shit if i can rapid through the whole thing
[23:56:01] <zeeshan> at 200 ipm i will take that as well
[23:56:02] <PetefromTn_> are you gonna build the router mount?
[23:56:05] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I've asked you 4 times what you are doing, and you still haven't said
[23:56:05] <zeeshan> yes pete
[23:56:31] <PetefromTn_> those do look good but I doubt they would perform any better than a 2 flute ball endmill really
[23:56:33] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, he's milling polimer filled woodish material
[23:56:34] <zeeshan> Jymmm: i am making a bunch of components for the vaporizer
[23:56:35] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/EOJan
[23:56:39] <zeeshan> this is what it looks like
[23:56:51] <zeeshan> the only that im iffy about is the wood handle
[23:56:55] <zeeshan> its very involvedf
[23:56:57] <zeeshan> everything else is easy
[23:57:16] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: im thinking the high positive rake will help a lot
[23:57:19] <PetefromTn_> typical cove bits have less of a shear angle to the cut and
[23:57:21] <zeeshan> in abolishing the wood
[23:57:39] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: stablized wood?
[23:57:40] <Rab> zeeshan, what sort of wood? The part's gonna get pretty worked over by the time it's finished.
[23:57:48] <PetefromTn_> I have milled with router bits before quite a few times
[23:58:26] <PetefromTn_> when Inlet the stocks out of these laminate blanks I use HSS endmills and it cuts really nice and clean...surprisingly clean actually.
[23:58:29] <Rab> And man, there are some realy thin walls in the cross section.
[23:58:40] <zeeshan> Rab:
http://www.knifeforums.com/uploads/1267771659-DSC04510.JPG
[23:58:41] <Rab> Hope it's rosewood or lignum vitae or similar.
[23:58:47] <zeeshan> rab this isn't plywood
[23:58:48] <zeeshan> that's gonna chip
[23:58:49] <zeeshan> lol
[23:58:53] <renesis> its an RBA i think
[23:58:55] <zeeshan> ive already played around with it
[23:58:59] <Jymmm> zeeshan: If you think you are going to get 100IPM on polymer imprediated wood, you need a reality check.
[23:59:01] <Tom_itx> These bits have been geometrically designed to cut cleaner than ballnose endmills and have point geometry specifically designed to cut wood or plastics. Used for 3D modeling and carving, fluting, or for routing slots with rounded bottoms or rounded inside corners.
[23:59:04] <Tom_itx> https://www.vortextool.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=23
[23:59:16] <zeeshan> Jymmm: that reeality check will happen tonight
[23:59:20] <zeeshan> when i go machine some scraps
[23:59:31] <zeeshan> i don't see any reasy why with some air blowing and vacuum
[23:59:33] <zeeshan> it can't be done
[23:59:44] <zeeshan> wood is girly stuff relative to steel
[23:59:47] <Jymmm> zeeshan: WEll, I think you need to start working on plan D, E, and F
[23:59:50] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx those look good
[23:59:51] <Tom_itx> blow oxy maybe you can start a fire
[23:59:58] <PetefromTn_> wood specific endmills basically
