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[00:57:25] <furrywolf> I went to the auction of a local hardware store going out of business today... I wish I had more space. I would have bought just about everything.
[00:57:44] <furrywolf> it went cheap. really, really, really cheap.
[00:57:45] <furrywolf> instead I got just a few little things
[00:57:57] <Tom_itx> maybe you should have asked if the building was for sale so you could store your stuff there
[00:58:17] <furrywolf> the entire hardware isle, everything from hinges to cable accessories to hooks to chains etc etc... $200.
[00:58:34] <furrywolf> the entire tool accessory section - drill bits, sawzall blades, hole saws, etc, etc, etc - $400
[00:58:46] <furrywolf> pallet racking $20/section
[00:59:14] <furrywolf> the fastener isle, all the bolts in pins, trays, etc, plus all the other little stuff you find in those bins, $1250
[00:59:23] <furrywolf> s/pins/bins
[00:59:35] <zeeshan> any co2 regulators? :D
[00:59:44] <furrywolf> I think they sold off the entire inventory for under $10k
[01:00:01] <furrywolf> zeeshan: dunno, but the entire welding and abrasives section sold for $200ish (don't remember the exact price)
[01:00:33] <furrywolf> I missed it, but I heard they sold their brand new 2015 diesel flatbed lumber delivery truck for $9k.
[01:00:52] <zeeshan> :O
[01:01:14] <furrywolf> the entire socket, wrench, and screwdriver section was $175
[01:01:55] <furrywolf> I bought two bins of assorted tools (dewalt power tools, misc hand tools) plus, the two things I really wanted, a brand new cable crimper and a brand new cable cutter for $50.
[01:02:03] <furrywolf> and 30 gallons of paint for $60.
[01:02:10] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: you have no land to put up stuff on temporarily?
[01:02:30] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: sounds like an awesome sale :)
[01:02:44] <furrywolf> I also bought their metal display... the one about 2ft square with all the 4ft lengths of allthread, unistrut, small angle iron, etc. $30.
[01:03:38] <SpeedEvil> nice
[01:03:47] <furrywolf> if I'd had the space, I would have bought it all. $400 for the entire aisle of power tool accessories! you can't even buy 40 name-brand sawzall blades for that price anymore.
[01:04:07] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: damn shame for the owner, but they may not care.
[01:04:08] <furrywolf> that included the entire display of oscillating multitool blades
[01:04:27] <furrywolf> I think the entire display of carbide router bits went for around $50.
[01:04:32] <furrywolf> owner was looking very, very glum.
[01:04:51] <SpeedEvil> At that point you say no, everyone out, and start listing stuff on ebay
[01:05:00] <furrywolf> heh
[01:06:09] <furrywolf> the entire automotive section went for $25, as did the entire propane and bbq section.
[01:06:50] <furrywolf> I missed the electrical and plumbing, but I heard it sold about the same. when I got there, they sold the entire fluorescent light section for $25, and the entire tv accessory section for $20.
[01:07:32] <furrywolf> someone bought all the doors at $25/each, including $1500 fancy doors with wrought iron work on the front...
[01:08:04] <furrywolf> the entire trim+molding section sold for $100. two aisles of it.
[01:08:24] <SpeedEvil> That must be getting damn near to not even a cent on the dollar for much of it
[01:08:32] <furrywolf> I missed most of the lumber, but I heard the entire wall of pine and redwood sold for $125.
[01:09:33] <SpeedEvil> :/
[01:09:42] <Wolf_> damn… lots of stuff for next to nothing $$
[01:10:51] <furrywolf> as I said, if I had place to put it, I'd have bought just about all of it... even if I only used 1 in 100 items, I'd still be beating retail prices.
[01:12:04] <furrywolf> figure the average item price in the power tool accessory section was $5-$10. there were probably 5000 items. that's $25,000-$50,000 of items for $400.
[01:12:46] <Wolf_> I gave up trying to put together a stepper/driver combo on ebay, going to order a longs motors kit and some sensors to get started… least i’m under $300 in the cart
[01:13:33] <furrywolf> sawzall blades, multitool blades/accessories, drill bits (wood, metal, masonry, etc), screwdriver bits, all the drill and screwdriver accessories (extensions, etc, etc), hole saws, circular saw blades, and everything else you'd find in that section of a hardware store. $400. all of it.
[01:13:44] <furrywolf> the whole aisle.
[01:14:05] <Wolf_> damn, a large hole saw kit is over $200 alone
[01:14:22] <furrywolf> they had them up to 6" I think.
[01:14:43] <furrywolf> all name brand. this store didn't sell much china tools. I think they were mostly milwaukee.
[01:14:44] <Wolf_> I think thats what my set goes up to
[01:15:07] * furrywolf is pissed off
[01:15:23] <furrywolf> if I had a proper house and shop, I could have saved/made whole lots of money. :(
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[01:16:11] <Wolf_> http://amzn.com/B0017WOBLE $173 3yrs ago
[01:16:30] <furrywolf> I would have bought all the tools, and a lot of the hardware.
[01:16:41] <furrywolf> the entire fastener aisle $1250!
[01:17:19] <Wolf_> hell few milwaukee cordless tools will get you over $1000
[01:17:48] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snap-On-Tools-Geared-Head-Torque-Multiplier-X4-Model-GA184A-/271943014333 earlier in the day, I'd picked up one of those for $50 at a yard sale, and was thinking what a good deal I got... the people at the auction got a lot more for their $50. heh.
[01:18:09] <furrywolf> there were no new power tools left. one of the staff made some private arrangement with the owner to get all of them. I suspect they'll be on ebay.
[01:18:19] <furrywolf> corded or cordless
[01:18:43] <Wolf_> man, you suck, where are you located, I need to start checking yard sales there :P
[01:18:58] <furrywolf> and the auctions!
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[01:19:55] <furrywolf> the torque multiplier appears to be new. no signs of use. I suspect he got it for one project, used it once, then it went in the toolbox.
[01:21:26] <Wolf_> I have a few odd things in my shop like that, not many tho
[01:21:58] <furrywolf> he was a retired mechanic, used to work at the local concrete company, selling his unneeded tools.
[01:22:53] <furrywolf> he had some other snapon there, but wanted way too much for it... if I wanted to spend $250 for a socket set I'd go on ebay. heh.
[01:23:45] <Wolf_> I like snapon ratchets but I won’t buy their sockets, too much $$$
[01:23:55] <furrywolf> I got some other assorted non-snapon stuff from him... two proto 1/2" drive torque wrenches and two other-US-brand 1/4" torque wrenches for $30, a Proto 3/4" drive ratchet for $15, etc.
[01:24:39] <furrywolf> I don't much like snapon ratchets. my favorites are S+K and Easco.
[01:24:56] <furrywolf> the Easco double-pawl ones are NICE.
[01:25:05] <furrywolf> far, far nicer than anything snapon's ever turned out.
[01:25:22] <Wolf_> hmm, I’ll have to check that out out
[01:25:34] <Wolf_> s/out/one
[01:26:05] <furrywolf> they're fine-tooth ratchets... except with two complete ratchet mechanisms offset by half a tooth. this gives them the strength of any other ratchet, but with tiny steps that'll ratchet even when you can barely move the handle.
[01:26:46] <Wolf_> with newer cars that can be a really handy thing
[01:27:29] <furrywolf> and S+K makes some nigh-indestructable fine-tooth ratchets.
[01:27:59] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/EASCO-73-1111-RATCHET-VINTAGE-USA-/141732797124 I think that's one of the nice easco ones.
[01:28:01] <Wolf_> I dunno about that, I have a S+K that I broke the head housing in half on
[01:28:29] <furrywolf> heh. note the easco had a nice thick head, and a tapered handle that's stronger as it gets towards the head.
[01:28:58] <Wolf_> funny part, SK the gears are fine it in lol
[01:29:24] <furrywolf> might have been a defect in the steel. I haven't managed to break one. they'll twist your extensions first. :)
[01:29:47] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-S-K-42470-1-2-DRIVE-RATCHET-IN-GOOD-WORKING-CONDITION-U-S-A-/171876804018 those are the s-k ones I like.
[01:30:05] <Wolf_> same one I broke
[01:30:20] <furrywolf> I have an Easco ratchet with my snapon sockets. it's better than my snapon ratchet. :P
[01:30:25] <furrywolf> I broke my snapon ratchet. lol
[01:30:35] <furrywolf> it's somewhere. I don't remember where. need to find it and track down the truck one of these days.
[01:31:02] <Tom_itx> i used to do that
[01:31:05] <Wolf_> I have stripped my snapon ratchet a few times, still need to get it rebuilt again
[01:31:07] <Tom_itx> got tired of chasing them around
[01:31:23] <furrywolf> it had stupidly annoyingly large steps, because of big teeth, and I still stripped them off.
[01:31:47] <furrywolf> now, craftsman ratchets... I think you can strip those by looking at them funny.
[01:32:10] <Wolf_> hmm, order all this stuff or not…
[01:32:39] <Wolf_> oddly I haven’t killed any of my craftsman ratchets in a long while
[01:32:52] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Craftsman-Ratchet-Set-1-4-3-8-1-2-Drive-sizes-New-Tools-/121727987057 the ones that look like that. garbage.
[01:33:18] <furrywolf> now, I do buy them... I have maybe ten of them. why? because when people want to borrow tools, I include one of them, because I don't care if it doesn't come back, which happens most of the time I loan people tools. heh.
[01:33:32] <Wolf_> lmao
[01:34:11] <furrywolf> I don't let people touch my s-k and easco ratchets. :P
[01:34:49] <furrywolf> overall I've been disappointed in snapon... not because they'd bad tools, but just because they're no better than most other brands, despite costing many times more.
[01:35:07] <furrywolf> except for my snapon mig welder. that IS a bad tool.
[01:35:47] <furrywolf> total utter shit. it's built like a budget battery charger. aluminum transformer, little button diodes with no heatsinking, and a windshield wiper motor for the wire drive.
[01:35:47] <Wolf_> lol, I wouldnt touch any welding gear with snapon/matco name on it
[01:36:02] <furrywolf> it's worse than harbor freight.
[01:36:32] <furrywolf> I never got it to weld right, stole the gun for a better-working welder, stuffed it under the house.
[01:36:35] <Wolf_> I have 2 miller welders and a hyperthem plasma
[01:37:14] <furrywolf> the snap-on looks like it'd built by Century... except they told century to skimp everywhere they could. my Century-branded welder is a much better tool. heavier transformer, proper diodes with heatsinks.
[01:37:21] <furrywolf> s/it'd/it's
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[01:37:46] <furrywolf> and the gun fit my century welder...
[01:38:10] <Wolf_> well, start of my cnc shit is ordered
[01:39:57] <furrywolf> I have a miller Dialarc 250, a miller S-... something. 32? don't remember. the voltage-sensing wire feeder than sits on top of miller stick supplies, a miller 225A welder-generator, and a lincoln 225A welder-generator. the miller works great but is AC only, and the lincoln has an electrical issue whereby it welds great 99% of the time... except that 1% of the time is every few seconds where the output dies for just long enough to break your arc an
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[01:42:16] <Wolf_> I have a miller dynasty 200dx that started acting up on me, output went to shit, someone I know messed with it and said he got it working again, but if not I have the full service manual from miller for it
[01:42:36] <furrywolf> I want a TIG welder... there's been a couple Syncrowave 180s on craigslist, but they've been expensive, and none of them have wanted to trade for one of my spare honda generators.
[01:43:53] <furrywolf> the guy at the yardsale I got the snapon from had a huge ancient miller TIG welder... looked about 50 years old, was about 6ft high... I passed on it. heh.
[01:44:12] <Wolf_> …love ordering stuff from china, eta Sept 2nd-Oct 9th
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[01:44:35] <furrywolf> I'm sick of china.
[01:44:45] <furrywolf> I now actively try to avoid buying anything chinese.
[01:45:48] <Wolf_> yeah, would be nice, too bad with some of this stuff there isn’t many ways to go on it
[01:46:38] <Wolf_> $2.50 inductive proximity sensors… could get from mouser/digikey for $50 each
[01:47:17] <furrywolf> speaking of auctions, what should I bid on a Mori-Seiki Turning Center SL-1? looks like http://images.craigslist.org/00n0n_ccILlPGj9ds_600x450.jpg
[01:48:28] <Wolf_> all I see is more knobs and buttons then I know what to do with
[01:48:53] <furrywolf> linuxcnc fixes that. :P
[01:49:24] <Wolf_> haha, I’m still somewhat lost playing with that too
[01:49:39] <Wolf_> granted I’ve only ran latency test on it so far lol
[01:56:22] <furrywolf> for a while, you kept getting more knobs and buttons. then it all got replaced with software. same with, say, aircraft... some planes had so many knobs and buttons they needed a flight engineer just to work them... now it's all a glass cockpit.
[01:56:37] <Wolf_> yup
[01:56:53] <Wolf_> heck cars as well
[02:00:15] <furrywolf> meh. I'm pissed I didn't buy everything at the auction.
[02:00:25] <Wolf_> lol
[02:00:44] <furrywolf> I could have started my own hardware store for under $10k, shelves and all.
[02:01:02] <Wolf_> I really want some pallet racking
[02:01:21] <furrywolf> pallet racking sold for $20 an 8ft wide, 16ft high section.
[02:01:47] <furrywolf> basically scrap value
[02:01:49] <furrywolf> with shelves and all
[02:02:24] <Wolf_> damn, I need about 3 sections for my shop and about 4 for the other shop
[02:02:33] <furrywolf> should have come to the auction! heh
[02:02:35] <malcom2073> Dude, there was an auction last week
[02:02:46] <malcom2073> Literally thousands of pallet racks went for well below scrap price
[02:03:28] <malcom2073> I wish I had a fork lift, could've made a killing just turning it into scrap
[02:03:44] <furrywolf> malcom2073: I think the forklift at the auction today, a nice big one, only sold for a couple thousand.
[02:04:03] <furrywolf> I wasn't there for it, but someone said it went cheap.
[02:04:04] <malcom2073> Yeah there were a couple forklifts too, they usually go for decent money
[02:04:31] <Wolf_> heh, I got 2 forklifts for free a few years ago
[02:04:46] <furrywolf> malcom2073: if you want sad, scroll up and read what some of the stuff today sold for.
[02:04:48] <malcom2073> I want one, but the only way it's really make sense was if it was an offroad one, which *never* go up for auction it seems
[02:04:56] <malcom2073> furrywolf: No. I refuse :(
[02:05:06] <furrywolf> heh
[02:05:15] <malcom2073> That's ok, I'm going to wind up selling this southbend 9C for pocket change
[02:05:21] <Wolf_> yeah, mine arent off road type
[02:05:34] <furrywolf> the entire power tool accessory aisle (sawzall blades, multitool blades, drill bits, masonry bits, hole saws, extensions, etc, etc, etc, etc) sold for $400.
[02:05:42] <malcom2073> Heh
[02:05:46] <Wolf_> so one is stuck in the garage, other is sunk up the frame in the yard...
[02:05:55] <malcom2073> Haha
[02:06:09] <malcom2073> A buddy of mine has an old 1970's crane
[02:06:13] <malcom2073> It's amazing
[02:06:36] <furrywolf> the entire hardware aisle, the one with hinges, brackets, cable, chains, hooks, door hardware, etc, etc, etc, etc, sold for $200.
[02:06:47] <malcom2073> Auctions are amazing, and sad, all at once
[02:07:13] <furrywolf> I'm pissed because I didn't bid on any of it, because I have nowhere to store it until I need it.
[02:07:27] <furrywolf> Most of sold for probably well under a cent on the dollar.
[02:07:43] <furrywolf> even if I only used 1 in 100 items, I'd still come out ahead... if I could store them somewhere.
[02:07:49] <malcom2073> heh
[02:07:51] <malcom2073> I have storage, but no money
[02:08:06] <furrywolf> you didn't need much money. you could have bought the entire store for about $10k.
[02:08:07] <roycroft> you could have rented a storage unit and put it there and still come out ahead
[02:08:22] <roycroft> sell $50 worth of the stuff every month to pay the storage unit bill
[02:08:28] <furrywolf> heh
[02:08:32] <furrywolf> too late now.
[02:08:32] <malcom2073> Me and my dad are thinking about actually starting to buy stuff at auctions and resell
[02:08:37] <malcom2073> I'm pretty sure that's how secondhand shops get started
[02:08:46] <malcom2073> secondhand hardware/machine shop anyone?
[02:09:00] <furrywolf> heh
[02:09:09] <furrywolf> sure, if it's somewhere around here. :P
[02:09:14] <malcom2073> Or a hoarders episode
[02:09:23] <malcom2073> I'm an east coaster, sorry :P
[02:09:24] <Wolf_> or part stuff out on eBay
[02:09:40] <furrywolf> I couldn't believe how cheaply stuff was selling for... the entire blade/bit/etc aisle for $400 is simply stupid...
[02:09:53] <furrywolf> any one category of items on the shelves was worth several times that.
[02:10:00] <Wolf_> damn east coasters… oh wait
[02:10:29] <furrywolf> the entire wrench, socket, and screwdriver section sold for $175. and they only carried US-made.
[02:10:35] <malcom2073> heh
[02:11:00] <furrywolf> all Allen brand, which isn't a premium brand, but it is US-made, and pretty expensive.
[02:11:27] <furrywolf> the giant, LOCKED display case of carbide router bits sold for $50. some of the individual bits in it cost that.
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[02:11:47] <furrywolf> 6ft high, 6ft wide, several of every bit...
[02:12:16] <Wolf_> hell the display case was probably worth 3x that
[02:12:38] <malcom2073> heh
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[02:12:49] <malcom2073> Yeah auctions are great.
[02:13:00] <malcom2073> My lathe I got at auction
[02:14:06] <furrywolf> I bought two tubs of used tools (the store-use ones, $50 - I mostly wanted the set of cable cutters and crimpers), some paint (30 gallons for $60), the display of assorted 4ft lengths of allthread, small angle, unistrut, etc ($30), the wire cutting and measuring cart (the foot counter and the reel that collapses so you can slide the roll off, $10).
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[02:14:51] <furrywolf> I mostly wanted the reel, but now I have a counter too. lol
[02:15:21] <furrywolf> the owner was there... he told me it took him half a day just to build the cart the wire stuff was on, never mind purchasing any of it.
[02:15:22] <malcom2073> Cool
[02:15:29] <malcom2073> Heh
[02:15:39] <furrywolf> now I can crimp ferrules on wire rope. :)
[02:16:09] <furrywolf> I didn't take a good look at the rest of the stuff in the tubs... was some dewalt 12v cordless tools and a bunch of hand tools. I just wanted the cable crimpers and cutters.
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[02:18:07] <furrywolf> I got 19 gallons of neutral base eggshell acrylic, 11 gallons of ultra white eggshell acrylic, and 3 gallons of ultra-hiding white acrylic.
[02:18:15] <furrywolf> $2/gallon... and $2/gallon for another local hardware store to tint the 19 untinted gallons. heh.
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[02:20:06] <fenn> lame
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[02:20:39] <fenn> you picked the most perishable item in the hardware store
[02:20:47] <PetefromTn_> evening folks
[02:21:18] <furrywolf> fenn: except one of my relatives will soon be painting the interior of a 3000ft2 house.
[02:21:26] <PetefromTn_> anyone good with household wiring?
[02:21:39] <furrywolf> the metal display I got is similar to https://lotnut-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/item-image-variations%2Fc6%2F79%2F5f%2F22%2Fae%2Fb8%2F44%2F49%2F81%2F1c%2F18%2F1b%2Ff8%2F66%2Fe4%2F7f%2Fc6795f22-aeb8-4449-811c-181bf866e47f%2F1-thumbnail.jpg?Expires=1439713246&AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAI527EG6KJ6SF5UNA&Signature=enC886jHdHx%2BFWQWIVlU28MTsqQ%3D
[02:21:44] <fenn> furrywolf you could have bought a house after selling all that stuff
[02:21:52] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: yes
[02:21:55] <Wolf_> I know some wiring
[02:22:01] <furrywolf> fenn: I know. I'm already pissed off. heh.
[02:22:05] <PetefromTn_> I got a probably real simple question
[02:22:18] <PetefromTn_> my wife and I are trying to renovate our home SLOWLY
[02:22:32] <furrywolf> it'll never be finished. :P
[02:22:43] <PetefromTn_> so today we finally got around to replacing all the light switches and outlets with the newer style
[02:22:53] <furrywolf> newer style? in what way?
[02:23:06] <Wolf_> decora?
[02:23:08] <PetefromTn_> ya know the wide paddle blade switches and the outlets you cannot stick things in if you are a kid/stupid
[02:23:23] <furrywolf> ah. I hate both of those.
[02:23:25] <PetefromTn_> anyways I have been replacing them all over the damn house
[02:23:37] <furrywolf> you're probably not surprised to learn this. :P
[02:23:42] <PetefromTn_> there is a three wide switch setup right next to the door to my garage
[02:23:47] <fenn> crotchetywolf
[02:23:53] <PetefromTn_> and two of the switches are wired one way
[02:24:06] <furrywolf> the sticky-outy switches are much easier to hit with a swipe of your hand, and those outlets are annoying when they work, and fucking annoying the other 99% of the time.
[02:24:07] <PetefromTn_> and the other one has a red/a white/ and a black
[02:24:18] <Wolf_> 3way switch wiring
[02:24:35] <fenn> aren't we supposed to be in a marvelous internet enabled future with no light switches
[02:24:42] <PetefromTn_> the switch itself just says 15 amp 120v like the rest of them
[02:24:45] <Wolf_> its just a dp/st
[02:25:14] <PetefromTn_> is it a diffferent type of switch which means I am screwed or is the red wire a ground?
[02:25:28] <furrywolf> you either have a multiwire branch circuit, or multiway switching, with two switches controlling one light.
[02:25:31] <furrywolf> red is never a ground. red is hot.
[02:25:41] <Wolf_> should be a 3way switch
[02:25:41] <furrywolf> ground is only green or bare.
[02:25:46] <PetefromTn_> I thought black or white was hot
[02:25:53] <furrywolf> black is hot
[02:25:55] <furrywolf> white is neutral
[02:26:01] <furrywolf> red is second hot, blue is third hot...
[02:26:18] <PetefromTn_> OK so I am screwed then
[02:26:23] <Wolf_> and the decora type 3 way have different screw position
[02:26:23] <PetefromTn_> I need another type of switch
[02:26:29] <furrywolf> is there a second switch that controlls the same light as the switch in question?
[02:27:07] <PetefromTn_> one switch controls the shop lights out in the garage shop, the second switch controls the ceiling fan/light above our kitchen table, the last switch controls the outlets in the room
[02:27:41] <furrywolf> you also sometimes see creative wiring where two switches are in the same romex run, using the second hot.
[02:27:42] <Wolf_> eh, which one has the 3 wires?
[02:27:55] <furrywolf> do the switches have 2 terminals or 3 terminals?
[02:28:00] <PetefromTn_> the black is kinda daisy chained thru all 3 switches
[02:28:12] <PetefromTn_> that last one has the three wires
[02:28:21] <PetefromTn_> black/white/red...
[02:28:29] <PetefromTn_> hang on I'll take a pic if it will help
[02:28:30] <furrywolf> ok, so it's a 3-way switch. which set of lights is it?
[02:28:33] <furrywolf> yes
[02:28:58] <furrywolf> and, again, is there a second switch that controls the same lights as the switch in question?
[02:29:10] <furrywolf> say, on the other side of the room, or by another door.
[02:29:51] <PetefromTn_> yes there is actually
[02:29:55] <Wolf_> ^ sounds like a 14/3 using one of the conductors as the traveler wire
[02:30:28] <furrywolf> ok, so you have a standard three-way-switch setup.
[02:30:39] <Wolf_> http://www.how-to-wire-it.com/images/3-way-power-at-light2.jpg
[02:30:39] <furrywolf> the other switch will also have three terminals and two hots going to it
[02:31:14] <furrywolf> this just means you need to spend $2.49 for your replacement switch instead of $0.49. (or, since you're using the ugly, harder-to-use decora switches, $6.49 instead of $2.49).
[02:31:30] <Wolf_> or http://www.blurtit.com/var/question/q/q4/q46/q461/q4617/q461762_284108_3_way_wiring_1.jpg
[02:32:00] <Wolf_> there is a 3rd way
[02:32:23] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/B1RWBiu.jpg
[02:32:39] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/GifluXn.jpg
[02:32:41] <furrywolf> the house I'm working on with someone has three switches for one light... one is a 4-terminal switch that swaps the wires. :)
[02:32:48] <PetefromTn_> forgive the wall paint we are redoing stuff
[02:33:29] <PetefromTn_> OK so we need a different switch is all...
[02:33:43] <furrywolf> yeah, what you have is a standard three-way switch setup, probably closer to the first image Wolf_ pasted.
[02:33:53] <Wolf_> wtf, where does the black from the wire go...
[02:33:57] <PetefromTn_> I guess I will just screw the new ones in, install the plate, and leave the old one there until I can get another one..
[02:34:04] <Wolf_> from teh 14/3
[02:34:12] <furrywolf> note that the white wire there is NOT NEUTRAL. it should have been wrapped with black electrical tape to mark it as a hot. bad electrician.
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[02:34:45] <zeeshan> don't cut the red wire
[02:34:48] <zeeshan> kaboom
[02:34:53] <PetefromTn_> :D
[02:34:58] <fenn> cut the red wire
[02:35:02] <fenn> but only after cutting the blue wire
[02:35:21] <furrywolf> zeeshan-lab: what should I bid on a Mori-Seiki Turning Center SL-1? looks like http://images.craigslist.org/00n0n_ccILlPGj9ds_600x450.jpg
[02:35:29] <PetefromTn_> OKay so like I said just gotta get a 3 way switch for these particular outlets
[02:35:40] <zeeshan> $1500
[02:35:44] <zeeshan> :P
[02:35:46] <PetefromTn_> woah that one looks clean
[02:35:56] <zeeshan> im telling you recession is here
[02:36:03] <zeeshan> even in your area where you have no machines
[02:36:12] <zeeshan> youre getting maching ads
[02:36:14] <zeeshan> machine
[02:36:28] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: yes, look for a 3-way switch in the style you like.
[02:36:36] <t12> the four horsemen of the metalocalypse
[02:36:46] <furrywolf> the other switch that controls the same light will also need a 3-way switch.
[02:37:09] <fenn> $4444.44
[02:37:14] <pcw_home> the Mori Seiki Looks old but almost unused
[02:37:16] <furrywolf> be warned you have some non-standard wiring layout there, if you go to do any actual additions to the wiring. also, while you're at it, tape that white wire in black tape.
[02:37:33] <furrywolf> pcw_home: it's from the local college. probably crashed about once every five minutes.
[02:37:39] <Wolf_> or meter it out
[02:38:09] <fenn> furrywolf: have you inspected it?
[02:38:24] <furrywolf> since they're using the white as a hot, but also running the black to other switches, they're doing something screwy.
[02:38:34] <furrywolf> fenn: no. inspection is at the same time as bidding, and you only get 3 hours.
[02:38:55] <fenn> zeeshan: it's a "jobless recovery" - welcome to the glorious and enduring robot revolution
[02:39:09] <zeeshan> skynet active
[02:40:00] <fenn> furrywolf: well make sure to bring measurement stuff and actually measure the straightness squareness etc
[02:40:04] <furrywolf> note that screwy doesn't mean broken nor unsafe, just that trying to figure out what the hell the electrician did might be fun.
[02:40:16] <furrywolf> I have no stuff that can do that.
[02:40:38] <fenn> you just passed up a pile of tools at the hardware store and you have no measuring equipment?
[02:40:50] <Wolf_> I bet the load wire for that 3way is in the back of that box… black on the switch is hot, red/white as travelers for the 3way, black is on the common pole on the other end
[02:41:09] <furrywolf> fenn: they don't sell measuring equipment like that at hardware stores. heh.
[02:41:37] <fenn> the goal here is to make sure the machine isn't totally screwed, not to fine tune it
[02:41:50] <furrywolf> Wolf_: except they're also running the black to other switches which leave in other cables, meaning they're stringing just the neutral between the other circuits? :)
[02:42:20] <Wolf_> naa, tie all the neutrals together in wire nut
[02:42:48] <furrywolf> for now, the best and easiest thing to do is just put in a new switch wired the exact same way as the old switch. :P
[02:42:57] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5138692718.html
[02:43:29] <zeeshan> lol
[02:43:30] <zeeshan> sealed bid
[02:43:33] <zeeshan> hate that nonsense
[02:43:36] <Wolf_> ^ note that them new fancy switches have the common screw in a different location, read the inside of the box
[02:43:40] <zeeshan> but it is the best way to get most money for your stuff
[02:43:40] <furrywolf> yes.
[02:43:50] <furrywolf> zeeshan: did you see above about the auction I went to today?
[02:43:55] <zeeshan> yes
[02:44:03] * furrywolf is annoyed
[02:45:46] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: have you confirmed you actually like the decora switches? I rather dislike them, as do most people. that's why they're a specialty item and cost several times more...
[02:46:24] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ what are you rewiring?
[02:46:30] <furrywolf> his house.
[02:46:38] <Tom_itx> the whole thing?
[02:46:39] <furrywolf> and he's just making the switches and outlets shinier.
[02:47:28] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i just loaded that demo... it is VERY cool
[02:47:33] <Wolf_> PetefromTn_: make a mental note of that 3way switch or swap out the other end at the same time so you don’t zap yourself later. This is what the wiring is but they have the source black and feed swapped http://www.easy-do-it-yourself-home-improvements.com/images/Large-3-way-switch-9.jpg
[02:47:58] <Wolf_> s/feed/load...
[02:48:02] <XXCoder> whee finally home
[02:48:49] <XXCoder> whew
[02:49:01] <XXCoder> helped my sis in law's sis pull up rugs and stuff
[02:50:37] <furrywolf> I'd like the turning center, the harrison lathe, the ct40 toolholders (I think they fit my brown&sharpe mill), maybe the injection molding machine if it's really really cheap... anything else there I should get? :P
[02:51:20] <XXCoder> get your very good friend Rolf an awesome 4'x8' cnc router lol
[02:51:34] <furrywolf> ?
[02:51:52] <XXCoder> heh kidding, Rolf is me :P
[02:52:19] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5138692718.html doesn't mention a router. heh.
[02:53:57] <XXCoder> ah didnt see it lol
[02:54:04] <XXCoder> just arrived and saw you say that lol
[02:55:22] <furrywolf> the guy I got my mill from a few days ago had a 4x8 router... said he got it from china for $7500.
[02:55:35] <furrywolf> vacuum table and everything.
[02:55:35] <XXCoder> yah saw some like that
[02:55:45] <XXCoder> wonder if its 4'x8' o 4'x8' work space.
[02:56:29] <furrywolf> actual work space looked nice and roomy, probably at least several inches spare on all sides.
[02:56:43] <PetefromTn_> LOL thanks guys yeah we are just trying to pretty up the place
[02:57:00] <PetefromTn_> I DO indeed like the big wide switches they look much more modern I think
[02:57:14] <XXCoder> not bad fur. inches for clamps.
[02:57:15] <PetefromTn_> basically every house we have been in besides this one has them now
[02:57:19] <Wolf_> They do look better IMO
[02:57:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah they sure do
[02:57:48] <furrywolf> I don't care about looking. I care about WORKING. :P
[02:57:52] <PetefromTn_> they also sell all the cool dimmers and LED ones now so switching will be easier if we want to get fancy
[02:58:02] <furrywolf> much easier to get the normal style with a swipe of your hand
[02:58:03] <PetefromTn_> never had any problems from them before
[02:58:18] <PetefromTn_> I kinda like these new outlets too
[02:58:23] <Wolf_> yeah, I’m a fan of lutron digital dimmers
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[02:58:39] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: wait until you try plugging in anything with a slightly tweaked plug.
[02:58:40] <PetefromTn_> they have some sorta clear plastic covering the hot holes so kids can't stick stuff in them
[02:58:53] <furrywolf> you know, anything that's been stepped on at any point in its life, or plugged in more than 50 times.
[02:59:25] <furrywolf> or, once you've plugged something into them 50 times, and the mechanism is worn.
[02:59:28] <Wolf_> yup, and the cheap Chinese 2 prong plugs bend trying to put the TR plates out of the way
[02:59:34] <furrywolf> since the mechanism is entirely unlubricated plastic on plastic.
[02:59:55] <Wolf_> put/push man I can’t type tonight
[03:00:24] <furrywolf> anyway, I thought your kids needed graphing calculators. why do you need tamper-resistant outlets? :P
[03:01:14] <PetefromTn_> apparenlty it is code now here
[03:01:38] <PetefromTn_> DAMN I just checked and just in the downstairs I will be needing like half a dozen of those 3 way switches jeez
[03:01:42] <furrywolf> the way they work is they only open with simultaneous pressure on both covers... if the plug isn't perfectly straight, you put it in slightly crooked, or the mechanism is slightly worn... no plugging.
[03:01:44] <PetefromTn_> sucks the big patootie
[03:02:23] <PetefromTn_> Oh well I hear ya man but it makes the wifey happy so it's all good ;)
[03:02:23] <furrywolf> the idea being most kids with forks don't insert two forks at the same time
[03:02:47] <PetefromTn_> just dumped a bunch of cash at Home despot
[03:03:04] <PetefromTn_> trying to fix stuff up here and there gets expensive
[03:03:10] <PetefromTn_> even stupid little stuff
[03:03:27] <furrywolf> I dumped a small amount of cash today. I really, really should have spent more. I'm annoyed.
[03:03:46] <PetefromTn_> like our upstairs bathroom sink the little nuts that hold down the faucet to the sink base cracked and I had to get new plastic shitty ones to replace em LOL
[03:04:09] <XXCoder> mill a titanium ones
[03:04:14] <XXCoder> they'll last forever lol
[03:04:19] <furrywolf> http://www.amazon.com/Lutron-TG-600PH-WH-Toggler-Preset-Dimmer/dp/B00004WGXR/ref=sr_1_2?s=lamps-light&ie=UTF8&qid=1439694200&sr=1-2&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_browse-bin%3A6240343011 are reasonably un-annoying as dimmers go, but I don't have any dimmers at all, which is even less annoying.
[03:04:23] <PetefromTn_> Got some new curtain rods some new toilet seats etc. etc. etc...
[03:04:47] <PetefromTn_> titanium ones would cost more than the whole sink just in materials hehe
[03:05:03] <XXCoder> lol
[03:05:29] <XXCoder> seriously though maybe some scrap metal that dont rust
[03:05:42] <furrywolf> I got two tubs of used tools (including a pair of cable cutters and crimpers for wire rope), 33 gallons of paint, a display of 4ft lengths of allthread, angle, unistrut, etc, and a wire counter and reel that collapses so you can pull the roll off the reel.
[03:07:06] <PetefromTn_> I thought you were broke and couldn't work LOL
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[03:07:25] <furrywolf> I spent very little. :)
[03:07:35] <PetefromTn_> well that's always a plus
[03:07:36] <furrywolf> $50 for the tools, $66 for the paint, $30 for the entire display of metal, and $10 for the counter and reel.
[03:07:47] <PetefromTn_> gonna resell it?
[03:07:56] <furrywolf> no
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[03:08:12] <furrywolf> if I was going to resell it, I would have bought everything else. :(
[03:08:29] <furrywolf> they auctioned off the inventory of a local hardware store that closed. everything went dirt cheap.
[03:08:32] <PetefromTn_> I can't believe I didn't think of the other types of switches I would need. what a dolt
[03:08:52] <XXCoder> furrywolf: any local hardware store left?
[03:10:02] <furrywolf> the most annoying was the entire power tool accessory aisle (bits, blades, etc) went for $400, the entire hardware aisle (hinges, locks, brackets, cable, chain, hooks, pulleys, rollers, latches, etc) for $200, the entire trim and molding room for $100, the entire fastener aisle $1250,...
[03:10:08] <furrywolf> XXCoder: only one
[03:10:21] <furrywolf> everything else left is a chain
[03:10:55] <XXCoder> too bad
[03:11:23] <XXCoder> here so far I know its all chains
[03:11:25] <XXCoder> like lowes
[03:11:31] <furrywolf> I heard they sold the entire wall of pine and redwood for $125....
[03:12:03] <furrywolf> someone told me they sold the brand new 2015 isuzu diesel 16ft flatbed delivery truck for $9k.
[03:12:34] <furrywolf> the owner was looking really glum towards the end of it.
[03:12:35] <XXCoder> someone got lucky
[03:13:14] <furrywolf> I could have bought more paint, but how much paint did I need? most of the paint went unsold.
[03:14:12] <furrywolf> I only bought the eggshell acrylic in neutral base and white, because that's what we need for a house I'm working on... they had many hundreds of gallons of flat, satin, and semigloss that didn't sell. auctioneer couldn't get $1/gal and went on to the next section.
[03:14:58] <furrywolf> got 33 gallons at $2/gal.
[03:19:41] <XXCoder> man
[03:19:44] <XXCoder> wish i was there
[03:19:48] <XXCoder> I'd bought bunch wood
[03:20:05] <XXCoder> but same time auctions dont work for deaf, if most people is hearing
[03:20:38] <fenn> silent auction
[03:25:14] <XXCoder> deaf auction is anything but quiet
[03:25:21] <XXCoder> just much less words for hearing to hear
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[04:21:46] <furrywolf> grrr. I want to go to bed, but someone down the road is having a seriously loud party.
[04:22:02] <Tom_itx> join em
[04:22:09] <XXCoder> sleep with noise cancelling headgear
[04:22:16] <XXCoder> ?
[04:22:21] * furrywolf doesn't like parties
[04:22:27] <furrywolf> and sleeping on headphones sounds painful
[04:22:31] <XXCoder> I have this head warmer that covers ears, I wonder if it would help mute
[04:23:11] <furrywolf> if you don't want to join 'em, there's always beating 'em... this 3/4" drive proto ratchet I just bought would make a very nice skull crusher.
[04:23:20] <XXCoder> why?
[04:23:25] <XXCoder> just run one of your mills
[04:23:36] <XXCoder> cut using old tool on scrap and cut it badly
[04:23:38] <XXCoder> loud.
[04:24:01] <furrywolf> no mills here.
[04:24:06] <XXCoder> any cnc really
[04:24:18] <furrywolf> sherline and shoptask are at storage unit, brown and sharpe is at relative's.
[04:25:48] <furrywolf> no cnc here
[04:26:02] <Tom_itx> sad thing that is
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[04:26:25] <XXCoder> sad
[04:27:40] <furrywolf> the shoptask is ready to make chips in the storage unit. heh.
[04:29:58] <furrywolf> blah. I got two tools at a yard sale where googling the brands finds spam sites before actual sites. google really needs to work on filtering out spam sites.
[04:30:18] <XXCoder> spam is yummy
[04:30:31] <XXCoder> not really, I dont like it either
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[04:31:04] <Wolf_> spam sites are annoying as hell, kept hitting them looking for ball screw conversions
[04:31:28] <furrywolf> a jo-line tools torque wrench and a torque controls inc torque wrench, both 1/4" drive. was $10 for the pair. I plan to return my piece of crap harbor freight one for more than $10 and use these now. heh.
[04:31:28] <XXCoder> ball screw conversions?
[04:31:40] <XXCoder> nice
[04:31:49] <Wolf_> yeah, for my overkill X1 conversion lol
[04:32:41] <furrywolf> if you're bored, you can convert my brown&sharpe. :P
[04:32:54] <Wolf_> send it over :P
[04:33:04] <Wolf_> might not get it back for a while
[04:33:19] <XXCoder> like 10 years? seems reasonable short time to me
[04:33:51] <furrywolf> lol
[04:33:57] <furrywolf> it weighs 4000lbs. sending it is hard. :)
[04:34:08] <Wolf_> uship
[04:35:11] <Wolf_> I had a 3500lbs hook lift truck body shipped from ohio to maryland for $400
[04:37:10] <furrywolf> looks like both are from the '60s or '70s. both seem to work perfectly, although I haven't stuck them on my torque gauge yet.
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[04:37:30] <XXCoder> oldest machine I ever seen was 1902
[04:37:43] <XXCoder> guy said its been working constantly since it was new in that shop
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[04:38:20] <XXCoder> theres another vastly newer machine (2012) machine that was in its own room and needs to be fixed often
[04:38:20] <furrywolf> heh
[04:38:36] <Wolf_> lol typical
[04:38:41] <furrywolf> I think my brown&sharpe is around mid '40s to mid '50s from what I found googling.
[04:38:46] <XXCoder> I was there at 2013 so it already celibrated its 100th birthday
[04:40:37] <XXCoder> "problem often" may be 2 or 3 times a year, but hey if theres another at 100+ years mark with no problem, its very often comparing. lol
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[05:06:29] <furrywolf> grrrr. why is "turn down the fucking music when it's bedtime" so difficult for people?
[05:07:36] <furrywolf> I sometimes listen to loud music. When it gets dark out, I TURN IT OFF. this isn't hard.
[05:07:47] * zeeshan wishes i lived near furry
[05:07:53] * zeeshan would blast music right now
[05:08:27] <XXCoder> put lots rocks in bucket
[05:08:39] <XXCoder> use big drill in it for white noise? lol
[05:09:08] <furrywolf> zeeshan-lab: because you're an asshole who likes ruining other people's days?
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[05:19:43] <PetefromTn_> Okay so I got all the downstairs outlets and switches swapped out that we have ones for
[05:20:26] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna need a total of 8 three way switches to get all the switches in the house swapped over.
[05:21:18] <PetefromTn_> The good news is that I bought two contractor packs of the regular switches so I can take one back and probably get money back enough to pay for most of the 3 ways
[05:21:32] <PetefromTn_> dunno if they sell a contractor pack of those babies
[05:22:02] <PetefromTn_> but I am gonna need two more contractor packs of the new style outlets for the upstairs.
[05:22:46] <PetefromTn_> right now my hands are sore from all that screwdriver/pliers/hand bending thick wires so gonna take a chill pill and watch some TV until I fall asleep ;)
[05:23:11] <XXCoder> dont overdose on that
[05:23:12] <PetefromTn_> it sure does look nice and new everywhere you can see them tho
[05:23:14] <XXCoder> but cool :)
[05:26:23] <PetefromTn_> gotta setup to do some more anodizing tomorrow after we show the house to some potential customers
[05:27:16] <XXCoder> nice
[05:27:25] <XXCoder> making anaozing progress then?
[05:27:31] <XXCoder> last time you had to go to pro shop
[05:27:54] <PetefromTn_> well I went to the Pro shop because I just plain ran out of time
[05:28:11] <XXCoder> any pics of latest test?
[05:28:13] <deep_pink_> good night :)
[05:28:22] <PetefromTn_> I was getting better with each one but the consistency was not there and I started having some issues with spots
[05:28:34] <PetefromTn_> latest test of what?
[05:28:43] <PetefromTn_> deep_pink_ Goodnight
[05:29:16] <XXCoder> anodizing
[05:29:57] <PetefromTn_> have not done anything with it since then so no pics yet
[05:30:10] <PetefromTn_> once I get these parts done I will post some pics maybe
[05:30:10] <XXCoder> oh ok. have good relaxing time
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[05:32:54] <XXCoder> :)
[05:32:55] <PetefromTn_> I did start cutting materials for that sick cool 2x47" bench belt grinder today
[05:33:24] <PetefromTn_> I just happened to have a short piece of drop thick walled tube for the main frame
[05:34:02] <PetefromTn_> I also have enough steel tubing for the sliding bits and I think I have enough angle iron for the vertical platen setup
[05:34:21] <PetefromTn_> after I get all this other stuff done I will play with it some more.
[05:34:45] <PetefromTn_> Can't wait to be able to use one and see just how badly it kicks my little chinese belt/disk sander's butt...
[05:35:03] <Wolf_> I need to make one of them too
[05:35:07] <PetefromTn_> 2x72" actually
[05:35:24] <PetefromTn_> it is such a simple good design I don't see why not right!
[05:35:55] <XXCoder> making bench belt grinder?
[05:35:59] <PetefromTn_> even if all I ever used it for was champfering and deburring tubing and steel bar/plate I cut here it would be worth the trouble of building it
[05:36:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[05:36:12] <XXCoder> ok
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[05:36:38] <Wolf_> I might not make one quite so big tho
[05:36:54] <PetefromTn_> big?
[05:37:00] <PetefromTn_> it's a benchtop machine
[05:37:19] <PetefromTn_> does not appear to be all that much bigger than the chinese POS I am using now
[05:38:44] <PetefromTn_> I have this nice stand I made that holds up my bench grinder/buffer and the chinese POS..
[05:39:09] <PetefromTn_> If I want to add this new belt grinder to it I will probably have to modify it a little bit for more stability/weight
[05:39:15] <PetefromTn_> but it should be nice to have there
[05:39:53] <PetefromTn_> I watched another video today of a guy using a leather strop belt and some special compound to quickly sharpen a blade. Seemed to work awesome
[05:39:57] <Wolf_> I have a bunch stuff I need to make, stands for grinder, bolt my tubing bender down, make a stand for my hydraulic crimper
[05:41:17] <PetefromTn_> it never ends does it hehe
[05:41:44] <Wolf_> never does lol
[05:41:50] <XXCoder> never indeed
[05:41:53] <PetefromTn_> brb
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[06:24:45] <deep_pink_> I've been today at harbor freight, and i saw the bandsaw with the stand but It's to big for my apartment
[06:25:12] <deep_pink_> I mran to this saw http://www.harborfreight.com/horizontal-vertical-metal-cutting-bandsaw-93762.html
[06:25:17] <Wolf_> they take up a lot of room
[06:26:20] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:26:38] <deep_pink_> I see now the small grizzly one
[06:26:49] <deep_pink_> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Portable-Bandsaw-with-Stand/G8692
[06:28:06] <XXCoder> time to take a place to live that is... less apt-like?
[06:28:43] <deep_pink_> XXCoder: it will take time..
[06:29:06] <Wolf_> thats sorta what I suggested when I heard apartment, port band, build tables for it
[06:29:53] <Wolf_> I have some 900lbs wilton bandsaw in my shop
[06:30:35] <deep_pink_> WOW
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[06:31:51] <trentster> any suggestions for ball nose bits for detailed work 2mm to 6mm for general use
[06:32:18] <Wolf_> really not too big, 101” x 3/4” blade
[06:34:01] <trentster> opinions on HSS vs Tian coated vs solid carbide
[06:34:47] <trentster> I would rather get more bits for my buck vs 1 x Onstrud exceptional quality
[06:35:18] <archivist> trentster, depends on what you are cutting, your machine and likely hood to break them
[06:35:59] <trentster> archivist: I have never used ball nose bits before and want to start getting some experience with them, material will probably be hard woods to start
[06:36:15] <trentster> Likelyhood of breakage may be high during learning phase
[06:36:34] <Wolf_> HSS then, why spend extra?
[06:37:06] <archivist> 2mm is a bit small for wood
[06:37:21] <trentster> Wolf_: yeah I was kinda following the same thinking - so HSS Chinese cheapies to start vs HSS big brand?
[06:37:51] <trentster> archivist: wanted to get a couple different sizes probably 4mm and 6mm will be the right size
[06:42:19] <Wolf_> so bored… think I’ll go make the gas strut counter balance for my x1
[06:43:49] <XXCoder> cool
[06:43:55] <XXCoder> or build my cnc router lol
[06:44:24] <Wolf_> sorry can’t, don’t have enough 80/20 for a 4x8 :P
[06:44:34] <XXCoder> lol
[06:45:14] <Wolf_> I have 4x 33” the ball truck rails and 1”x2” extrude for a small one tho
[06:45:25] <Wolf_> s/the/THK
[06:45:45] <XXCoder> nice. I has now useless sbr20, sbr16 and sbr 12
[06:45:46] <archivist> I finally made the nut for a milling machine jack I have had for 10-20 years :)
[06:45:50] <XXCoder> dunno what to do with em
[06:46:58] <Wolf_> why are they useless?
[06:47:17] <trentster> I am also looking to buy a new spindle + VFD are the Chinese water cooled stuff with the german bearings ok'ish or would you guys avoid them?
[06:47:17] <XXCoder> wel I planned to build wood frame cnc router
[06:47:29] <XXCoder> but I got job so I just bought cnc router frame
[06:47:40] <Wolf_> ahh
[06:48:27] <Wolf_> if you have a frame why do you need someone to build one? :P
[06:48:38] <XXCoder> oh its much smaller one lol
[06:49:17] <Wolf_> lol, that will do it, I was going to do a one 2x4’
[06:49:21] <XXCoder> the sbr rails is for smaller one
[06:50:23] <Wolf_> time to go look and see what alum stock I have laying around in the shop lol
[06:51:08] <XXCoder> though it could be useful for making laser cnc
[06:51:41] <XXCoder> its way overkill but its so strong all I need to do is make sure sbrs is parallel and rigid enough to not to sway lol
[06:52:55] <XXCoder> designed a laser cnc?>
[06:53:31] <trentster> XXCoder: what did you settle with for the laser - you going the C02 route?
[06:53:45] <XXCoder> oh its just vague plan for future
[06:53:54] <XXCoder> my cnc router need to work first
[06:53:56] <trentster> ah ok
[06:54:12] <XXCoder> even then it may be still useless if I can attach laser to that cnc router frame
[06:54:32] <trentster> what frame did you buy?
[06:54:58] <XXCoder> a sec
[06:55:27] <trentster> I am thinking of making a laser cutter I have a ton of series 10 extrusion in the garage - and don't have anything to do with it. should be just fine for a lser cutter even tho its only series 10
[06:56:10] <XXCoder> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wood-Lathe-3040-Cnc-Router-Milling-Machine-with-43mm-bracket-Mechanical-Kit-Aluminium-Alloy-Frame/32279070195.html
[06:56:12] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:56:20] <XXCoder> all it needs to do is NOT sway while moving
[06:56:26] <XXCoder> boom rigid enough
[06:57:04] <trentster> XXCoder: nice - it looks solid
[06:57:12] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:57:20] <XXCoder> too bad it can only hold 43 mm
[06:57:33] <XXCoder> unless I make holder for say 53 mm for actual spindle
[06:57:37] <trentster> yeah got a small footprint but hey its a great/decent start
[06:58:19] <trentster> and you can use it for small cnc router if you pop a 400w spindle in there
[06:58:37] <XXCoder> cant
[06:58:47] <trentster> why not?
[06:58:50] <XXCoder> 43 mm diameter limit for spindle which is nonexistant
[06:59:00] <XXCoder> I got router that do fit it though
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[07:03:37] <trentster> XXCoder: why not something like this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CNC-400W-Brushless-Spindle-Motor-ER11-Mach3-PWM-controller-Mount-engraving-/121581247413
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[07:04:18] <XXCoder> that is nice one. and still wont fit my machine heh
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[07:04:43] <trentster> and make your spindle mount slightly bigger or attach the mount this comes with this one.
[07:04:55] <XXCoder> yeah 55 mm
[07:05:00] <XXCoder> but I dont have any tools
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[07:05:39] <XXCoder> evenually will make new one with router though
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[07:05:48] <XXCoder> once I figure how it works and so on
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[07:06:09] <trentster> XXCoder: dont you have a maker space near you you could go to and someone could help you modify it - its should not be a big job to do
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[07:06:27] <XXCoder> all maker spaces near me is way too expensive
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[07:07:33] <trentster> XXCoder: sometimes they have open evenings and you can visit and people will help you out etc.
[07:07:40] <XXCoder> I suppose
[07:07:53] <trentster> XXCoder: what the spacing between the mount holes on your current mount there?
[07:08:13] <XXCoder> roughly 55 mm
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[07:09:15] <trentster> yeah thats a tough size - hmm
[07:09:23] <XXCoder> yeah
[07:09:32] <trentster> ok I gotta run to dinner I will give it a think
[07:09:33] <XXCoder> im thinking it would "grow"
[07:09:47] <XXCoder> so it can hold spindle near its size
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[07:16:28] <XXCoder> trent whats bit odd is that it has 3 sets of mount screws but only use one
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[07:54:48] <Wolf_> well, that mount idea was almost good, except that I forgot about the Z handwheel
[07:56:30] <XXCoder> what issue was it?
[07:57:34] <Wolf_> on the x1 the Z axis screw and hand wheel is on the back of the column, totally forgot about it when I dreaming up my mount
[07:58:51] <XXCoder> can be modified to account for that?
[07:58:52] <Wolf_> doing the air springs extending down in the column with a steel cable and pulley on it
[07:59:55] <Wolf_> well I’m going to cnc the thing so re-designing the plate that goes on the column to hold the air springs and also serve as the stepper mount plate
[08:00:24] <XXCoder> cool
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[08:53:44] <Wolf_> hmm, think a 1405 ball screw is enough for a x1 Z axis?
[09:00:21] <XXCoder> dunno
[09:00:34] <XXCoder> though don't give any werewolf full moons. http://www.optipess.com/comics/2013-03-22-438_Moon-Revenge.png
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[10:34:31] <trentster> XXCoder: yeah it is very odd - I have that spindle currently and hate the way it works with 3 sets but only one is used.
[10:35:08] <trentster> I did make a custom mounting plate for it on current machine - so I can interchange quickly once I get a higher power spindle.
[10:35:48] <trentster> Still waiting for anyone here to give some spindle advice
[10:36:58] <jthornton> no one is awake here
[10:47:41] <archivist> all asleep or down the pub
[10:48:28] <archivist> or even making stuff
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[10:59:02] <trentster> archivist: all 3 of those are good places to be
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[11:19:14] <jthornton> fenn, you around?
[11:19:43] <jthornton> I get a validation error Line 68, Column 13: there is no attribute "VALUE" <BODY value="Expand Documents" onload="return expanddoc(this)">
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[12:41:07] <archivist> jthornton, try without that see what it does
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[12:41:54] <jthornton> I did and did not see any difference
[12:42:22] <jthornton> I did notice that all the generated html docs are xhtml but the index is not
[12:43:40] <archivist> I have a version on my box too , removing that reduces it to 43 errors
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[13:13:16] <archivist> jthornton, thats better!
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[13:14:31] <archivist> and the manpage section expands cleanly now too
[13:17:27] <jthornton> yes, I got rid of the .ext for the man pages thanks to a tip from jepler
[13:18:06] <archivist> I use the validator to find my bugs :)
[13:18:27] <jthornton> that's what I'm doing now to get it to validate as xhtml
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[13:30:29] <jthornton> now it starts out expanded :(
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[13:50:01] <archivist> jthornton, when you think about onload="return expanddoc(this) that seems what you are asking for
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[13:51:48] <jthornton> yes, but I think I just need to add display='none' to each one
[13:52:46] <furrywolf> what're you working on?
[13:53:00] <archivist> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/
[13:53:31] <furrywolf> ohh, documentation good!
[13:53:41] <furrywolf> thank you for actually writing some. :)
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[13:55:14] <Tom_itx> jthornton, but you had it workig so good...
[13:58:10] <archivist> jthornton, Ifixtit http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/linuxcnc/docs/2.7/index.html
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[13:58:33] <archivist> <BODY onload="return expanddoc('Expand Documents')">
[13:58:51] <archivist> which is actually the inverse :(
[13:59:21] <Tom_itx> you can see it close it if you look carefully
[14:00:31] <Tom_itx> not after it's buffered
[14:00:35] * furrywolf doesn't quite see the point of expanding/collapsing it
[14:00:49] <Tom_itx> it allows you to see the whole list
[14:00:52] <Tom_itx> if you want
[14:01:24] <Tom_itx> i couldn't remember where some of the topics were hidden
[14:01:46] <jthornton> archivist, thanks
[14:02:08] <fenn> it might be easier to just use a table of contents with links to each section
[14:02:20] <furrywolf> yes, mean, I don't see the point of ever collapsing it.
[14:02:35] <fenn> the <body value="blah blah"> stuff was just an experiment, i don't think it had any effect and can be removed
[14:02:39] <furrywolf> it's two screenfulls, not exactly hard to skim the sections. :)
[14:02:41] <Tom_itx> to hide it for those that don't want it expanded
[14:03:45] * jthornton goes off to stack landscaping blocks... what fun
[14:03:53] <furrywolf> probably one screenfull if I ever get my other laptop usable. heh.
[14:03:55] <fenn> jthornton: don't add "display=none" to each, the whole point of the patch was to remove that! it makes the entire page hidden if you have javascript disabled
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[14:06:10] <furrywolf> on a completely unrelated note, apparantly when they say 7A max on the outlet on the back of your wobblelight, it means you shouldn't plug your 12" chopsaw into it. had to resolder one of the terminals on the PCB. just in case anyone else tries it. :)
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[14:08:15] <archivist> a 3A fuse was not happy with my vacuum cleaner :)
[14:08:45] <furrywolf> heh
[14:09:04] <furrywolf> I suspect it was a defective pcb... looked like cold solder joints, and had RoHS marked on it.
[14:09:14] <furrywolf> I fixed it with 60/40, and it looked much nicer.
[14:09:45] <archivist> this safety lark is making stuff unsafe
[14:10:13] <furrywolf> it's also increasing pollution by causing goods to fail early, resulting in more landfill waste and more pollution replacing them.
[14:11:34] <Tom_itx> my first washing machine lasted me 25-30 yrs
[14:11:42] <archivist> been soldering with the real stuff since the 1960's, not killed me yet or sent me to the funny farm
[14:11:45] <Tom_itx> replaced it with a new one that lasted maybe 5
[14:12:03] <Tom_itx> replaced that with a new one and after 1.5 yrs the bearings are going
[14:12:08] <furrywolf> that's only because the men in white coats haven't caught you yet. :)
[14:12:13] <fenn> i for one am glad there aren't huge quantities of lead and cadmium being tossed about willy nilly in every consumer product
[14:12:46] <archivist> people dont eat consumer products
[14:12:46] <fenn> nobody's coming for the hobbyist's soldering iron
[14:13:10] <fenn> consumer products end up in all sorts of places they shouldn't, simply due to there being a lot of them
[14:14:03] <fenn> they get run over by cars and eaten by animals and submerged in vats of goo that dissolves the lead
[14:15:08] <fenn> i have seen so many cellphones smashed to dust on the pavement
[14:15:25] <fenn> and then that dust goes into your home and turns your children into criminals
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[14:15:48] <fenn> so deal with it
[14:16:36] <furrywolf> lol
[14:17:01] <furrywolf> sure it's not the chemtrails causing your children to get autism? :P
[14:17:46] <malcom2073> Nah chemtrails are controlling their minds, vaccines are causing autism, remember?
[14:17:47] <malcom2073> :P
[14:18:18] <fenn> go snort some lead dust then, it's perfectly safe
[14:18:46] <Tom_itx> i had a jar of mercury i played with as a kid
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[14:19:01] <furrywolf> and look how you turned out! :P
[14:19:24] <malcom2073> heh
[14:19:41] <Tom_itx> live in a house with lead paint and asbestos walls :D
[14:19:43] <Tom_itx> jk
[14:20:37] <Tom_itx> wiht radon oozing from the basement cracks
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[14:23:53] <furrywolf> I wish I had a basement.
[14:23:58] <furrywolf> if I did, it'd be a hardware store now. heh.
[14:24:11] <Tom_itx> i did too so i dug one
[14:24:44] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/1.jpg
[14:25:47] <furrywolf> here that's how you get a well. :P
[14:29:35] <archivist> ex boss did that to the clockworks, was a small church
[14:30:01] <archivist> he thinks he took out many tons
[14:30:30] <furrywolf> anyone in the US here ever have something printed and bound at kinko's/fedex office? any idea of prices? their website doesn't have any, and they're not open yet so I can't call.
[14:31:38] <furrywolf> found a scan of the maintenance manual for my b&s mill online, thinking of having it printed and velobound so I can leave it with the mill.
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[14:36:15] <archivist> using your own laser printer might be a lot cheaper
[14:37:07] <furrywolf> yes, by the time I did one out of storage, make it work (may need toner), move it here, use it, lug it back to storage (all with my tweeked back), etc, it'll be two hours of time to save a few bucks. heh.
[14:39:13] <furrywolf> s/did/dig
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[15:33:52] <fenn> furrywolf: you could try out my friend's publishing service (it's a front-end to lulu.com to make it easier to print just 1 book) https://publishing.za3k.com/faq
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[15:41:14] <deep_pink_> hi
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[15:45:54] <Deejay> hi
[15:47:26] <deep_pink_> hi Deejay
[15:47:39] <Deejay> hi pink :)
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[15:50:17] <deep_pink_> i need to decide which band saw to buy
[15:50:32] <deep_pink_> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Portable-Bandsaw-with-Stand/G8692
[15:50:34] <deep_pink_> or
[15:50:57] <deep_pink_> http://www.harborfreight.com/portable-variable-speed-bandsaw-47840.html
[15:52:31] <fenn> the grizzly one looks more heavily built
[15:52:45] <fenn> you might find it difficult to accurately cut with a 40 pound tool
[15:53:05] <fenn> i would get a horizontal bandsaw instead
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[15:54:07] <deep_pink_> the grizzly id indentical to the HF one
[15:54:12] <deep_pink_> just with stand
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[15:54:53] <fenn> they aren't identical, look at the handle
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[15:55:16] <fenn> anyway you should get this instead: http://www.harborfreight.com/horizontal-vertical-metal-cutting-bandsaw-93762.html
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[15:56:06] <deep_pink_> fenn: I'm also want it, but I dont have room for it,
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[15:59:41] <JT-Shop> now I'm in the dog house... kennel lady texted my wife saying she found a dog for us and I said I don't want another dog right now
[16:00:32] <malcom2073> fenn: Does harbor freight still undersize their motor ratings?
[16:00:49] <fenn> i haven't ordered anything from HF for a long time
[16:00:54] <malcom2073> My dad got one of those 5-6 years ago, wound up having to replace the motor since it kept overheating and couldn't keep up
[16:00:58] <malcom2073> once he replaced the motor it ran great thoguh
[16:01:28] <fenn> yeah that's something to keep in mind, you can't really replace a motor in one of those "portable" bandsaws
[16:01:47] <fenn> they are loud because they have a fan
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[16:09:02] <fenn> the grizzly G8692 portable bandsaw looks better than the harbor freight 47840 portable bandsaw because it comes with a stand and it's not made by harbor freight
[16:09:26] <fenn> but they are pretty similar in operation
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[16:11:57] <fenn> you aren't cutting fence posts or steam pipes so you will almost always be using the stand
[16:13:13] <deep_pink_> I'm thinking to take the HF and make a stand for it. with drill press vise.
[16:13:27] <fenn> why?
[16:14:22] <deep_pink_> the grizzly stand buld very cheap, and with the 20% cupon I can get the HF for $80
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[16:14:57] <deep_pink_> the grizzly cost more than 2 times
[16:15:31] <Rab> deep_pink_, why not just get a vertical bandsaw?
[16:16:06] <deep_pink_> Rab: I want somthing that cut stock materials.
[16:16:35] <fenn> most vertical bandsaws are built for cutting wood and go too fast
[16:17:24] <fenn> they usually don't have ball bearing blade guides
[16:18:40] <Rab> Something about the guard on this saw makes my fingers flinch: http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/for/5091627581.html
[16:18:54] <fenn> also takes up as much floor space as a horizontal bandsaw
[16:18:56] <Rab> Cool old machine, though.
[16:19:14] <fenn> not heavy duty enough :P
[16:20:55] <fenn> actually the casting that holds the blade guides is pretty thick
[16:20:59] <malcom2073> Go to auctions, you can pick up large bandsaws for cheap sometimes
[16:21:49] <zeeshan|2> lim really thinking i wanna add a 4th axis to my machine
[16:21:55] <zeeshan|2> this job would be quicker with one
[16:22:03] <zeeshan|2> i cant find a cheap rotary table though
[16:22:04] <zeeshan|2> :(
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[16:23:41] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: My dad jus sold one :/;
[16:23:46] <malcom2073> Manual though
[16:23:56] <zeeshan|2> howq much
[16:24:00] <malcom2073> $150, 8"
[16:24:04] <zeeshan|2> jeez
[16:24:06] <zeeshan|2> i woulda bought that
[16:24:11] <zeeshan|2> i just need to bolt a servo to it
[16:24:24] <zeeshan|2> i wired my control for 5 axis
[16:24:29] <zeeshan|2> so all the wiring work is done
[16:24:39] <malcom2073> How quick do you need one? I think my dad is building a second 4th axis out of a harmonic drive soon
[16:24:47] <zeeshan|2> like wednesday
[16:24:50] <zeeshan|2> of next week
[16:24:58] <malcom2073> HAH NO
[16:25:00] <malcom2073> Oops
[16:25:01] <malcom2073> capslock
[16:25:02] <zeeshan|2> :P
[16:25:07] <malcom2073> https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/l/t31.0-8/10959138_835518176512489_8769699971561166735_o.jpg
[16:25:27] <zeeshan|2> what is going on there
[16:25:31] <zeeshan|2> oh harmonic drive
[16:25:33] <malcom2073> yeah
[16:25:37] <malcom2073> Ebay find
[16:25:56] <fenn> gearbox abuse
[16:26:19] <malcom2073> Meh, it has cross roller bearings, it'll be fine :P
[16:26:26] <fenn> 6 inches overhang on a 1 inch shaft
[16:27:29] <malcom2073> It's all low speed stuff anyway, works great. I want a trunion table made out of it though
[16:27:53] <fenn> zeeshan|2 make one out of a pupu platter and stepper motor from an inkjet printer
[16:28:04] <zeeshan|2> fenn: no
[16:28:12] <fenn> you can use hot glue for alignment
[16:28:12] <zeeshan|2> i want it to hand serious cutting loads
[16:28:18] <zeeshan|2> dont troll me!!!!!!!1
[16:28:21] <zeeshan|2> IM THE TROLLER!
[16:28:24] <malcom2073> Hah
[16:29:35] <zeeshan|2> maybe i dont need 4th axis for this job
[16:29:38] <zeeshan|2> i got an idea.
[16:30:24] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/4VqNPTe.jpg
[16:30:37] <zeeshan|2> so these come to a certain size wood block
[16:30:43] <zeeshan|2> rectangular.
[16:30:54] <zeeshan|2> so if i extend the block so i have a square at the very end
[16:31:07] <zeeshan|2> i can literally hold this part sideways in the vise
[16:31:11] <zeeshan|2> and index it using the block
[16:31:15] <zeeshan|2> to get all four sides
[16:31:25] <malcom2073> It's wood, so should be accurate enough
[16:31:29] <zeeshan|2> yes
[16:31:53] <malcom2073> Would be much cooler to have a 4th axis though :-D
[16:32:09] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/OTAo12b.jpg
[16:32:11] <zeeshan|2> i still gotta fix this
[16:32:17] <zeeshan|2> but simulation shows it can be done
[16:32:32] <zeeshan|2> he's finish sanding by hand anyway
[16:32:39] <zeeshan|2> so if there is a small jagged edge to to indexing error
[16:32:41] <zeeshan|2> it should be ok
[16:32:55] <zeeshan|2> or i might just get a rotary table
[16:33:00] <zeeshan|2> and index it 90 degrees manually
[16:34:46] <fenn> if you flip and rotate 90 degrees it should have the same contact points and align correctly
[16:34:57] <zeeshan|2> thats the thing
[16:35:02] <zeeshan|2> i got 40 of em to do
[16:35:05] <zeeshan|2> with maybe another 40
[16:35:23] <zeeshan|2> actually nm
[16:35:26] <zeeshan|2> youre right
[16:35:43] <fenn> this issue comes up all the time with circuit boards
[16:35:45] <zeeshan|2> but i will need a stop to butt it up against after the 90 degree flip
[16:35:54] <fenn> yes
[16:35:57] <zeeshan|2> and also recenter one axis
[16:36:04] <fenn> a wide stop, not some dinky pin
[16:36:07] <zeeshan|2> but maybe i can use a transform command in cam
[16:36:32] <zeeshan|2> 180 degrees, the Y axis for example will be the same width
[16:36:36] <zeeshan|2> but 90 degrees out itll be skinnier
[16:36:40] <zeeshan|2> so i need to compensate
[16:36:43] <zeeshan|2> but hmm
[16:36:46] <zeeshan|2> if i use symmetry
[16:36:47] <zeeshan|2> it wont matter
[16:38:37] <Rab> zeeshan|2, handgrip?
[16:39:14] <zeeshan|2> yes
[16:39:18] <deep_pink_> zeeshan|2: what is that 3d model?
[16:39:20] <Rab> zeeshan|2, for a firearm?
[16:39:37] <zeeshan|2> sex touy
[16:39:41] <zeeshan|2> if you guys want one
[16:39:45] <zeeshan|2> let me know
[16:39:50] <Rab> furiously adding to cart
[16:39:58] <malcom2073> Lol
[16:40:00] <malcom2073> Furiously
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[16:54:09] <deep_pink_> zeeshan|2: are you serious about that
[16:54:16] <zeeshan|2> yes, you want one?
[16:55:26] <deep_pink_> zeeshan|2: what is the benefits of it compare to the competitors?
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[16:55:37] <zeeshan|2> most pl easurable
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[16:57:33] <deep_pink_> zeeshan|2: I can't understand how
[16:58:31] <JT-Shop> how frustrating it is to try and help some people http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/29509-connection-g-gmoccapy-to-thc?limitstart=0
[17:02:34] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:02:41] <zeeshan|2> deep_pink_: its a handle i was kidding
[17:02:52] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/A4Mj4Kn.jpg
[17:02:56] <zeeshan|2> damn cucumber plant flowers are HUGE
[17:03:15] <zeeshan|2> like 4" diameter
[17:04:26] <Deejay> nice
[17:05:00] <Jymmm> If anyone knows... When do you use metal vs plastic conduit?
[17:05:50] <JT-Shop> where the plastic might get crushed and I assume you mean EMT conduit not rigid conduit
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[17:07:16] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I don't know the difference between EMT and "rigid" conduit; I know the grey plastic "non conductive" stuff in the electric aisle and then the 1/2" galvanized stuff.
[17:08:09] <JT-Shop> if it threaded it might be rigid or I forget the intermediate name wait it is IMT
[17:08:23] <JT-Shop> if it is not threaded it is EMT
[17:08:39] <Jymmm> Ah, not threaded (never seen threaded except for liek black pipe)
[17:09:02] <Jymmm> Need direct burial
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[17:09:37] <JT-Shop> rigid is used for explosion proof and tasks that need extra protection
[17:09:57] <Jymmm> Gonna hire the neighbotr kid to dig the trench =)
[17:10:05] <JT-Shop> grey plastic is ok for direct bury
[17:10:27] <JT-Shop> is there some reason you using conduit for direct bury like rocky ground?
[17:10:40] <Jymmm> As opposed to ???
[17:11:16] <Jymmm> Aren't you suppose to use conduit for direct burial?
[17:11:18] <JT-Shop> direct bury wire the grey stuff that is flat with no paper inside
[17:11:19] <Simonious> I don't think I like CAMBAM. I really want to like it, but it's a PITA
[17:12:10] <JT-Shop> http://www.southwire.com/products/type-uf-b-direct-burial-water-well.htm
[17:12:40] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Oh, well there are a LOT of ground nesting bugs, not to mention critters, so I thought it be a lil more protected in conduit
[17:13:07] <Simonious> CAMBAM has been okay for outlines, but for 3d cuts it's annoying me.. I don't have a better option though..
[17:13:20] <JT-Shop> use thhn wire in conduit
[17:14:12] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: If THHN wire is typical redidential stuff, I have a few spools already.
[17:14:18] <Jymmm> residental*
[17:15:10] <JT-Shop> I don't know what typical residential stuff is... thhn is a single strand of wire and not a romex which has 3 or more wires in it
[17:15:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I wnat to run some low-voltage cabling too, so I thought I could run two conduits at the same time.
[17:15:36] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Yeah, ok. I wasn't even thinking romex
[17:15:43] <JT-Shop> yea, you not supposed to mix voltages in conduit
[17:16:04] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: That's abotu the ONLY "code" (hi/lo voltage) thing I'm aware of =)
[17:16:08] <zeeshan|2> Simonious: http://i.imgur.com/4VqNPTe.jpg
[17:16:15] <zeeshan|2> 10 min in mastercam!
[17:16:22] <Simonious> ha!
[17:16:31] <zeeshan|2> hsm does the same thing
[17:16:48] <fenn> Jymmm: don't bury metal conduit, it will rust
[17:16:49] <Simonious> what is hsm? I'm planning on trying fusion 360 next
[17:17:15] <zeeshan|2> hsmexpress
[17:17:17] <zeeshan|2> look her up
[17:17:18] <zeeshan|2> its free
[17:17:22] <Jymmm> fenn: ...and I don't think it's waterproof (fittings) either =)
[17:17:25] <Simonious> will do
[17:17:28] <zeeshan|2> addon for solidworks
[17:17:37] <zeeshan|2> i dont know if it will do 3d
[17:17:40] <zeeshan|2> but it can easily do 2.5D
[17:17:41] <zeeshan|2> :P
[17:17:44] <Simonious> eh.. I really prefer my cam packages to be standalone
[17:17:52] <zeeshan|2> you dont want that
[17:17:52] <JT-Shop> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Southwire-500-ft-12-1-Stranded-THHN-Wire-WHITE-22965858/203401697
[17:17:53] <zeeshan|2> trust me
[17:17:56] <zeeshan|2> you want it to be parametric
[17:18:01] <Simonious> CAMBAM works okay for 2.4D
[17:18:09] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: stranded???
[17:18:12] <Simonious> zeeshan|2: the model is parametric, that's enough
[17:18:15] <JT-Shop> rigid and IMT are waterproof
[17:18:17] <JT-Shop> yea
[17:18:19] <zeeshan|2> Simonious: you want your cam to update
[17:18:21] <zeeshan|2> parametrically
[17:18:23] <zeeshan|2> why wouldnt you?!
[17:18:34] <JT-Shop> you won't like pulling solid
[17:18:35] <Simonious> zeeshan|2: I want to be able to run CAM stuff on STLs and DXFs I get from other places
[17:18:52] <zeeshan|2> you can import it into cad
[17:18:54] <zeeshan|2> and do the same
[17:18:57] <zeeshan|2> i do that a ll the time!
[17:19:07] <Simonious> Hmm
[17:19:14] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I was considering running 220V, I've never heard of using anything but solid
[17:19:48] <Simonious> hsmxpress > fusion360?
[17:19:57] <JT-Shop> solid wire it usually found in romex house wire
[17:20:02] <Jymmm> stranded inside a chassis, sure.
[17:20:38] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Right, which is also what I have broken spools of right now (14ga iirc)
[17:20:48] <JT-Shop> there is a billion miles of stranded in conduit and the only time you find solid is when the "electrician" is not really an electrican
[17:21:15] <zeeshan|2> Simonious: by dxf you m,ean 2d dxf
[17:21:15] <zeeshan|2> right?
[17:21:40] <Simonious> zeeshan|2: I actually don't know.. I *thinks* so - are there 3d dxfs? I messed around with that last week and I wasn't sure.
[17:21:40] <zeeshan|2> like i do dxf -> convert to 2d sketch with 1 click
[17:21:45] <zeeshan|2> and then you can generate tool path using that
[17:21:50] <JT-Shop> here is a tip from Uncle JT, never have more than 360 degrees of bends without a pull box
[17:22:12] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ah, so add a junction/breaker box to terminate the stranded?
[17:22:18] <zeeshan|2> 3d dwg+dxf
[17:22:21] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: lol
[17:23:36] <JT-Shop> nap time
[17:23:39] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Thanks for the info, next time I get down the hill I'll pick up grey conduit and fittngs =)
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[17:38:48] <Simonious> it's very fishy that HSMXpress integrates with solidworks and is made by autdesk
[17:39:41] <zeeshan|2> lol
[17:40:36] <Simonious> wait.. is this because DS released free CAD? Now autodesk is releases free CAM? Just trying to cost each other money/business?
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[18:17:37] <renesis> simonious: thats what i assumed
[18:18:51] <renesis> dassault did draftsight as a fuck you to autodesk, so they did hsm express as a fuck you back
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[18:19:36] <renesis> draftsight is crashy
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[19:17:05] <jthornton> wow went from 760 errors to 16 just by closing my li tags
[19:21:00] <fenn> jthornton: you added some style="display:none" back in for some reason, shouldn't do that
[19:21:21] <jthornton> I took that back out but have not pushed it yet
[19:21:33] <jthornton> still working on the layout a bit and getting it to validate
[19:22:07] <fenn> ok
[19:23:13] <Tom_itx> jthornton is andy's comp gonna make it into the docs too?
[19:23:26] <jthornton> which on is that?
[19:23:33] <Tom_itx> carousel
[19:23:54] <Tom_itx> it was included in 2.7 pre
[19:24:33] <jthornton> the man page is there
[19:25:26] <Tom_itx> ahh so it is!
[19:25:38] <Tom_itx> must have missed it the first time
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[19:27:27] <jthornton> looks like the man page is part of the component
[19:28:22] <Tom_itx> his demo for that is rather cool
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[19:44:09] <jthornton> down to one error!
[19:45:04] <XXCoder> wow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l6CQRHIGyg&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs
[19:45:30] <Deejay> go for it!
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[19:48:24] <XXCoder> that video is weirdly broken
[19:48:36] <XXCoder> I can't pause or change time when its playing
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[19:53:57] <jthornton> Woopee This document was successfully checked as XHTML 1.1!
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[19:54:42] <Deejay> woopee? :-)
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[20:00:54] <Tom_itx> jthornton, is that committed yet?
[20:01:28] <Tom_itx> if so, it starts expanded and says 'Expand Documents' on the button
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[20:01:56] <Tom_itx> pushing it the first time does nothing
[20:02:19] <Tom_itx> then it says 'Collapse Documents' which does that
[20:02:22] <Tom_itx> then it's normal
[20:03:10] <Tom_itx> man pages seem ok
[20:03:51] <fenn> still has display:none in sec13 sec14 and man pages
[20:04:19] <Tom_itx> it was working better before the fix
[20:04:23] <Tom_itx> here
[20:05:02] <Tom_itx> was this to fix the java disabled brousers?
[20:06:28] <fenn> yes. and then some things to pacify the w3c validator and work better with firefox
[20:07:51] <fenn> i don't really understand why it started out collapsed before. anyway you can add a <script> at the end of the page that closes everything, or i can try to mess around with onclick="something" for each section
[20:08:03] <fenn> er, onload="something"
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[20:11:54] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, I just committed the latest one, the last one had issues
[20:12:12] <Tom_itx> i saw the commit in -devel
[20:12:16] <Tom_itx> that's why i asked
[20:12:59] <JT-Shop> build eta 45 minutes
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[20:13:36] <Tom_itx> oh i thought once it showed there it was done
[20:14:09] <JT-Shop> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/waterfall
[20:16:04] <Tom_itx> nap time then
[20:17:40] <Tom_itx> been a stressful day... i can relate to your dog dilemma. one of ours came in from outside and went into seizures
[20:17:53] <Tom_itx> better now but quite a scare for a while
[20:19:50] <JT-Shop> I guess I need to make master HTML5 lol
[20:21:23] <fenn> html4 please
[20:21:36] <XXCoder> html15 please
[20:21:53] <fenn> manuals don't need streaming video kthx
[20:22:59] <JT-Shop> what's wrong with 5
[20:27:13] <fenn> what's wrong with 4
[20:28:12] <fenn> html5 didn't exist when many of the distributions we're using were made
[20:28:13] <JT-Shop> doesn't have all the features of 5 and 5 is simpler to write
[20:29:21] <JT-Shop> 5 didn't exist for any of the OS that we currently support but I assume browser updates support it
[20:33:15] <JT-Shop> HTML5 is designed so that old browsers can safely ignore new HTML5 constructs.[6] In contrast to HTML 4.01, the HTML5 specification gives detailed rules for lexing and parsing, with the intent that different compliant browsers will produce the same result in the case of incorrect syntax.
[20:36:55] <XXCoder> geeez
[20:37:03] <XXCoder> one site implemented its own smooth scroll
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[20:37:30] <XXCoder> there IS a reason I disabled smooth scroll on firefox!!!
[20:39:11] <JT-Shop> what is smooth scroll?
[20:39:51] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: it blends scroll down so its constantly moving
[20:40:41] <JT-Shop> that must make you dizzy watching that
[20:41:14] <JT-Shop> kinda like pressing the middle mouse button by accident and when you move the mouse the screen scrolls?
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[20:49:37] <fenn> i couldn't get the onload="stuff" thing to work, but if you add this to the end of the document sections it will close all of them when the page loads: <script>expanddoc('actually i collapse documents')</script>
[20:50:52] <fenn> the way that function is written is kinda screwy anyway
[20:52:16] <JT-Shop> the latest one is building in <1 minute
[20:54:15] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:07:09] <JT-Shop> ok fenn docs are built
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[21:07:34] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: it does make me dizzy when it is smoothed
[21:07:47] <XXCoder> which is why I turned it off on firefox
[21:10:17] <fenn> JT-Shop: cool everything is visible now except sec13 and sec14 which i don't care about :P
[21:11:08] <JT-Shop> oh I still have a couple of display='none'
[21:11:15] <JT-Shop> I'll get them in a bit
[21:11:49] <fenn> yeah i don't understand why the man page sections are visible because they have display:none in them too
[21:12:33] <JT-Shop> <div id="man_1" style="-moz-column-width: 25ex; -moz-column-gap: 4ex; -webkit-column-width: 25ex; -webkit-column-gap: 4ex;">
[21:12:39] <JT-Shop> I don't see it in the man pages
[21:13:46] <fenn> oops i had to reload the view-source:
[21:14:46] <JT-Shop> yea, I've been building and reloading all day
[21:15:20] <fenn> thanks for fixing this
[21:15:43] <JT-Shop> your welcome, thanks for showing me how
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[21:50:35] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, looks good
[21:56:07] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, thanks, I've learned a lot about html, javascript and bash in the last few days
[21:56:18] <JT-Shop> getting xhtml to validate was a nightmare
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[22:06:08] <JT-Shop> another satisfying project brought to you by JT's Machine Shop http://gnipsel.com/images/7x12-bandsaw/7%20x%2012%20Bandsaw%2006.jpg
[22:06:47] <XXCoder> nice
[22:06:52] <XXCoder> so it worked well?
[22:07:17] <JT-Shop> lol, I've not plugged it in yet still cleaning up around it
[22:07:40] <XXCoder> I also see dust devil dust seperator. interesting
[22:16:17] <JT-Shop> works well afaik
[22:17:38] <XXCoder> woodgears made a wood version and it seems to work well
[22:21:29] <JT-Shop> everything works as expected
[22:22:24] <SpeedEvil> Brother made a nice 'coopered' wooden barrel with a conic end for a cyclone
[22:22:26] <SpeedEvil> worked well
[22:33:21] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, you still here?
[22:37:29] <XXCoder> you guys know this almost pear-like shape hard green fruit from tree
[22:37:31] <XXCoder> small tree
[22:37:38] <XXCoder> usually makes garscha something dip
[22:38:07] <XXCoder> hard green skin, soft green "flesh"
[22:39:01] <JT-Shop> avocados?
[22:39:30] <XXCoder> yes lol just discovered it as you was saying it. thanks
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[22:41:53] <JT-Shop> I need an efficient way to strip insulation of all this wire scrap I have piled up
[22:42:36] <CaptHindsight> whats an Enco 12" x 40" used manual gap bed geared lathe go for on average in decent shape?
[22:43:05] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: most people burn it off in an old can
[22:43:20] <JT-Shop> that is a nasty mess
[22:43:29] <CaptHindsight> not friendly to the environment, but that's the usual
[22:43:31] <JT-Shop> and you don't get top dollar for hat
[22:43:46] <JT-Shop> most people around here don't burn it
[22:44:14] <JT-Shop> I
[22:44:29] <JT-Shop> I'd give $1500 or so depending on what is included
[22:45:08] <renesis> hot wire stripper, take it off in sections
[22:45:12] <renesis> itll take a long time
[22:45:34] <renesis> the longer the sections, the more of a bitch to pull the insulation off
[22:45:49] <CaptHindsight> i just logged back in, whats the range of wire sizes?
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[22:46:31] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: for $1500 you could get someone from India to do it all for you by hand
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[22:49:50] <t12> how big is the wire
[22:50:00] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: maybe try design a "wire kiln"
[22:50:02] <JT-Shop> most is 12 gauge
[22:50:07] <XXCoder> melt wires without burning em
[22:50:30] <XXCoder> enough for some mechinical mechism to strip most of wire coating off
[22:50:43] <XXCoder> then finally burn rest much less pollution but still bit dirty
[22:50:58] <t12> theres wire stripping machines
[22:53:35] <JT-Shop> I've searched for photos of something better than a knife and a hole strippers but have not found anything
[22:54:28] <JT-Shop> time to wander inside see you guys later
[22:54:42] <XXCoder> I got design concept of wire puller that heats wire then scrapes one side by metal plate
[22:54:55] <XXCoder> wonder if it can be soft enough that rest of wire plastic falls off
[22:55:26] <t12> theres rotating blade systems
[22:55:35] <t12> i repaired/made some blades for them
[22:55:44] <t12> they're kinda expensive, intended for scrap shops
[22:55:51] <CaptHindsight> something like the shape of a hob
[22:56:33] <t12> they're pretty quick if your wire is spooled
[22:56:50] <t12> that shop does alot of just stripping wire and then selling the copper at the increased price
[22:56:59] <t12> runs big 1" electrical through it all day
[22:57:43] <XXCoder> heh thats a way I guess
[22:57:47] <XXCoder> run too much current
[22:57:54] <XXCoder> let plastic or rubber fall off
[23:02:24] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: http://iscrapapp.com/blog/how-to-strip-your-copper-wire-for-scrap/
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[23:48:34] <PetefromTn_> jeez man I never realized how many damn switches and outlets I have in my house LOL
[23:48:47] <XXCoder> just few thousand eh
[23:49:11] <PetefromTn_> my hands are tired of crimping and cutting wires and twisting screwdrivers etc.
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[23:50:11] <PetefromTn_> I still lack a coupld behind the big TV stand and my master bedroom completely hehe
[23:51:29] <Wolf_> heh, when I bought my house it had 6 outlets it
[23:52:27] <PetefromTn_> I think my kids room has more than that LOL
[23:52:56] <PetefromTn_> Ooh I also got a couple neat switches that glow in the dark when the lights are off for the stairwell...that was kind of cool
[23:53:17] <Wolf_> it also still had the paperwork in the outside room for the westinghouse dry cell farm power system too…
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[23:53:40] <PetefromTn_> you off the grid or something?
[23:54:10] <Wolf_> nope, I’m 30mins from baltimore and DC, just the house was built in 1820’s
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[23:54:17] <PetefromTn_> Showed my house again today.. people were here for over an hour ....ya just never know ;)