#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-08-15

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[00:00:24] <andypugh> Mine is basically the screw, the base and the handle (+ bearings etc)
[00:00:28] <zeeshan> ah darn
[00:00:28] <zeeshan> haha
[00:00:35] <zeeshan> i thought you meant the insertable jaws
[00:00:56] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/tuOqI3U.jpg
[00:00:56] <zeeshan> man
[00:00:57] <andypugh> The top jaws do just slot on, but they cost a fortune
[00:00:59] <zeeshan> this program is sweet
[00:01:03] <zeeshan> took 20 min to get that
[00:01:08] <zeeshan> and once scaled
[00:01:15] <zeeshan> its really +/- 1/8"
[00:01:16] <zeeshan> not bad
[00:01:20] <zeeshan> for just a bloody iphone
[00:01:22] * ffurrywol needs a non-fortune-costing vise
[00:01:44] <fenn> you need to put talc on shiny metal objects to get a good scan
[00:01:56] <zeeshan> fenn: yea i watched the video!
[00:02:01] <zeeshan> it says no shiny things
[00:02:02] <zeeshan> or glass
[00:02:21] <zeeshan> i did this to check how far the scale is off
[00:02:25] <zeeshan> its pretty off
[00:02:29] <zeeshan> but it's consitently off
[00:02:30] <fenn> yep
[00:02:38] <fenn> structured light scanning is way better
[00:02:51] <zeeshan> dude this is free
[00:02:55] <andypugh> I got the 90mm “Type 2” here and so far I like it. http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Workholding/Machine-Vices#Precision-Tool-Vices-Type-1
[00:02:56] <zeeshan> and ituses an iphone or andriod
[00:02:58] <fenn> just sell your soul
[00:03:06] <zeeshan> you literally click a buncha pictures
[00:03:07] <zeeshan> and you get this
[00:03:22] <zeeshan> if my rx7 was running
[00:03:30] <zeeshan> id move it outside, and take a pic
[00:03:37] <zeeshan> its dusty, so not too shiny :)
[00:03:49] <zeeshan> would love to get the engine bay scanned
[00:04:20] <zeeshan> andypugh: those are nice
[00:04:22] <andypugh> zeeshan: If you have Inventor there is no need, just model a chrome part and the reflection is of an Rx7.
[00:04:38] <zeeshan> hahaha
[00:04:50] <zeeshan> is it really a rx7?
[00:04:53] <zeeshan> i remember seeing a car
[00:04:56] <zeeshan> i dont recall it being a rx7
[00:05:01] <zeeshan> fd rx7?
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[00:05:04] <andypugh> It might be an MX5. It’s a little hard to tell.
[00:05:20] <zeeshan> is that some troll attempt by autodesk
[00:06:13] <fenn> so the vice/vise thing is a uk/us spelling difference? i thought people just didn't know how to spell
[00:07:14] * zeeshan slaps fenn with a dictionary
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[00:08:47] <fenn> i feel like i've built one of those "type 2" precision vises but i don't remember what happened to it
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[00:09:48] <andypugh> In the UK we spell both “vice” and “vice” as “vice”. In the US you differentiate between a workholding tool and a character flaw. Which means that you can’t do this cartoon. http://s491.photobucket.com/user/eagmeister/media/cj_009.gif.html
[00:10:40] <ffurrywol> why do slotted screws still exist? argh.
[00:11:38] <andypugh> My Rivett lathe is held together with slotted screws. They actually work perfectly.
[00:12:25] <andypugh> Big slots for big screwdrivers and good material. You can get just as much torque as any other head.
[00:12:34] <ffurrywol> and what happens when you try using a power driver on them? hell, the bits slip out even with a hand screwdriver. and they don't self-center so you have to start them with your fingers. etc, etc.
[00:13:14] <ffurrywol> and I'm willing to wager torx handles a lot more torque.
[00:13:37] <SpeedEvil> With any bit which can cam out, you only start turning it once you have massive axial preload
[00:13:38] <fenn> phillips heads are designed to cam-out, it's crazy that they are still used everywhere
[00:13:50] <andypugh> I think that every head out there can snap the screw.
[00:14:10] <ffurrywol> I like torx.
[00:14:25] <andypugh> fenn: I actually think that is not true
[00:14:59] <fenn> the legend is that in the early 1900s everything was assembled with air tools but nobody had quite figured out torque limiting chucks yet
[00:15:30] <ffurrywol> I've always figured that was urban legend too.
[00:15:32] <fenn> so to prevent screw heads from snapping off someone invented a torque limiting bit
[00:15:35] <andypugh> Though problems do arise with using the wrong cross-head driver in the wrong screw. For example Japanes motorcycles use JIS, not Phillips.
[00:16:35] <andypugh> Phillips was 1930s
[00:16:55] <andypugh> And Wikipedia says “Created by Henry F. Phillips, the Phillips screw drive was not purposely designed to cam out when the screw stalled.[7]”
[00:16:56] <ffurrywol> there's about ten different phillips heads, and often even the one that's supposed to match doesn't.
[00:17:25] <SpeedEvil> At least there is one torx.
[00:17:27] <SpeedEvil> Well - two.
[00:17:32] <SpeedEvil> Any advance on two?
[00:17:46] <SpeedEvil> Robertson is nice and simple
[00:17:47] <XXCoder> weird. I drove my van in rain for first time since it was fixed
[00:17:47] <ffurrywol> ?
[00:17:52] <XXCoder> it had bit rough idle
[00:17:57] <XXCoder> but second time it was smooth
[00:18:09] <ffurrywol> robertson works, not as well as torx.
[00:18:13] <XXCoder> was that case of computer adjusting?
[00:19:06] <ffurrywol> GRRRRRR. just rounded a fucking slotted screw. so far I've lost one and rounded another.
[00:19:26] <ffurrywol> lost it because it went sproing while ANY other head shape wouldn;t.
[00:19:40] <SpeedEvil> ffurrywol: heat the head to white hot and bang a torx into it
[00:20:58] <ffurrywol> slotted round-head screws especially should die. the most useful part of the screw for delivering torque, at the edge, is where the groove is too thin to hold a screwdriver, AND shaped like a ramp.
[00:21:28] <roycroft> slotted round head screws and phillips screws are attractive
[00:21:39] * fenn looks over at bit holder with 14 different torx bits in it
[00:21:49] <roycroft> they are useful in low-stress situations where appearance is important
[00:21:54] <roycroft> such as in fine woodworking
[00:22:06] <andypugh> roycroft: Good point
[00:22:13] <fenn> bah
[00:22:20] <roycroft> i would not build a beautiful cabinet out of exotic hardwood, use poilshed brass hinges, and then stick ugly torx head screws in the hinges
[00:22:25] <ffurrywol> I think socket head cap screws are more attractive. :P
[00:22:32] <fenn> use a pyramid head screw, individually hand-hammered by the village blacksmith
[00:22:37] <ffurrywol> fenn: I have both Torx and Torx Plus. :P
[00:22:52] <roycroft> i use a lot of socket head cap screws and button screws in metalwork
[00:22:59] <roycroft> i never use them with wood
[00:23:09] <ffurrywol> I use torx for wood. :)
[00:23:36] <ffurrywol> PowerPro brand usually
[00:23:36] <roycroft> if i were to nominate a type to retire it would not be slotted or phillips
[00:23:45] <roycroft> i would retire clutch screws first
[00:24:00] <ffurrywol> lol
[00:24:16] <ffurrywol> I have a battery charger that was assembled with clutch screws. I replaced them with phillips.
[00:24:28] <roycroft> they probably are retired by now
[00:24:29] <ffurrywol> I'd take clutch over slotted any day, however.
[00:24:38] <roycroft> gm were using them in transmissions
[00:24:52] <roycroft> i think that's the only widespread use of them in the last 30 years
[00:25:04] <ffurrywol> I have actual clutch bit screwdrivers somewhere. :)
[00:25:10] <roycroft> i do too
[00:25:20] <roycroft> my "set" is two screwdrivers
[00:25:22] <andypugh> roycroft: Pretty: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/sEu4T3QEiL3MK8ORgSNnh9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[00:25:27] <roycroft> i don't know how many sizes were ever made
[00:25:56] <roycroft> yes, i like that, andypugh
[00:26:16] <ffurrywol> I think I have three sizes.
[00:26:32] <roycroft> except whoever assembled that did not align the screw slots
[00:26:33] <XXCoder> ASL for slotted screws translates literally into "Negative screw"
[00:26:35] <roycroft> which is something i always do
[00:26:37] <XXCoder> makes sense? :P
[00:26:38] <andypugh> I maybe should try them in all combinations to see if the slots line up. When my grandad was an apprentice they would spend days lapping the undersides of heads to make all the slotted screw in the steam engine bed plates line up.
[00:26:52] <roycroft> well it's a screw with a minus sign in the head
[00:26:54] <ffurrywol> I saw a hand-made clutch bit at a yard sale a few weeks ago, of a larger size than mine.
[00:26:55] <roycroft> so sure
[00:27:13] <ffurrywol> someone ground it out of a snap-on 1/2" drive extension.
[00:27:56] <roycroft> i've never bothered aligning socket head screws
[00:28:04] <roycroft> but i align slotted and phillips often
[00:29:02] <roycroft> i'm a brains *and* beauty kind of guy
[00:29:15] <ffurrywol> I've never aligned screw heads.
[00:29:42] <ffurrywol> partially because I never use slotted screws voluntarily!
[00:30:12] <roycroft> i guarantee that every switch/receptacle plate in my house has the screwhead slots aligned perfectly horizontally
[00:30:44] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxddi8m_mzk magic. lol
[00:31:42] <andypugh> roycroft: How do you adjust them?
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[00:32:01] <roycroft> the plates are either nylon or thin stainless steel
[00:32:22] <andypugh> Ah, OK, so the actual torque is irrelevant?
[00:32:30] <roycroft> since there are no stesses to speak of, i just tighten them down until they are snug and then keep going until the slot is aligned
[00:32:30] <roycroft> yes
[00:32:47] <andypugh> Normally I perefer to have things at the right tension than aligned pretty.
[00:32:48] <roycroft> with most woodworking projects torque is not critical either
[00:32:48] * ffurrywol doesn't. :P
[00:33:08] <XXCoder> google dream crack http://d11cbnttr0b724.cloudfront.net/img_dreamed/835747.jpg
[00:33:13] <roycroft> things that i make/repair that have critical tensions generally get socket head screws that i do not bother aligning
[00:33:20] <andypugh> The big ones on the Rivett, for example, probably need to be tight.
[00:33:23] <XXCoder> thats the house opposite my home. it has been ran in dream 10 times
[00:33:46] <ffurrywol> anyone else unable to get an answer from nickserv?
[00:34:01] <ffurrywol> ah, there we go... just took a good minute.
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[00:34:21] <andypugh> furrywolf: I don’t even understand the question.
[00:34:44] <roycroft> now when using bolts it's easy
[00:34:46] <fenn> internet seems generally out of order today
[00:35:00] <roycroft> you just snug up the nut, align the bolt slot the way you want, and then torque the nut down
[00:35:17] <furrywolf> not aligning anything is even easier. :P
[00:35:22] <roycroft> if you want to align both the bolt head and the nut that would get a little tricker
[00:35:25] <roycroft> trickier
[00:35:34] <roycroft> and i don't align everything
[00:35:35] <furrywolf> only time I align bolt heads is where the pointy bits would catch on some close-fitting moving part.
[00:35:42] <andypugh> roycroft: Ever had to split-pin big-end bolts?
[00:36:12] <roycroft> but if it's something that shows, and it's not torque-critical, why not align it so it looks prettier?
[00:36:16] <roycroft> no, i haven't, andypugh
[00:36:29] <andypugh> Passing out a washer and saying “I need one 15 degrees thinner at 12tpi”
[00:37:00] <furrywolf> because no one else thinks it's prettier because they won't even notice? :P
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[00:37:08] <andypugh> We need 120lb.ft _and_ the split pin hole to align
[00:37:24] <andypugh> furrywolf: Oh, you will notice.
[00:37:29] <LatheBuilder2> single use crush washer?
[00:37:42] <furrywolf> I've started using torx for all wood applications.
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[00:37:52] <roycroft> even if you don't consciously notice you notice
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[00:38:14] <roycroft> i should amend my previous statement
[00:38:18] <SpeedEvil> if you care about appearance, you can make aligned grain plugs too
[00:38:22] <andypugh> I ended up tapping the hinge screws on my lathe stand and using machine screws.
[00:38:22] <roycroft> i use torx fasteners in wood often
[00:38:36] <roycroft> when i'm screwing down decking or the like, or making jigs and fixtures
[00:38:58] <roycroft> andypugh: sounds like adjusting valves on an ohc fiat engine
[00:39:12] <roycroft> you get a very expensive set of spacers
[00:39:20] <andypugh> I got heartily sick of little brass scews snapping off in oak. (yes, I drilled a pilot)
[00:39:21] <roycroft> mic the valve gap
[00:39:26] <roycroft> pull the spacer, mic it
[00:39:37] <roycroft> exchange for one that has the correct adjustment
[00:40:01] <andypugh> roycroft: Yes, that’s how my bike works, I have a box of shims.
[00:40:19] <furrywolf> pete: you want to go to china and give them some lessons in anodizing? I bought a replacement lockback utility knife, Ace brand, on monday. today, friday, the black anodizing is already worn off. I've used it once.
[00:40:22] <roycroft> when i insert brass screws in hardwood i pilot drill, then insert an identical zps screw first, extract, then install the brass screw
[00:40:28] <andypugh> It’s a pain, but it’s also mechanically ideal.
[00:40:57] <roycroft> i don't believe in breaking screws in hardwood
[00:41:03] <roycroft> it's against my religion :)
[00:41:08] <furrywolf> all the engines I've adjusted valves on just used adjustment screws. loosen locknut, turn screw, tighten locknut. repeat until you figure out exactly how much it changes when you tighten the locknut. :)
[00:41:24] <furrywolf> I don't tend to use brass screws.
[00:41:34] <furrywolf> I use stainless when I need corrosion resistance.
[00:41:40] <roycroft> we've established that you have no aesthetic sense :)
[00:41:42] <andypugh> I found that a machine thread held really very well, so went that way. They come out again too.
[00:41:50] <furrywolf> stainless is sexy. :P
[00:41:52] <SpeedEvil> I am currently making a shed.
[00:42:02] <SpeedEvil> I'm undecided between 'nail it together'
[00:42:02] <roycroft> stainless is nicer than zps
[00:42:04] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: use torx screws to build it.
[00:42:10] <roycroft> it looks too blue to be "sexy" to me
[00:42:28] <furrywolf> my njoy pure wand is stainless and very sexy. :P
[00:42:29] <SpeedEvil> and 'run everything through the thicknesser, wax-finish
[00:42:30] <roycroft> yes, machine threads can hold well in some hardwoods
[00:43:02] <roycroft> don't forget to hand scrape it after you run it through the thickness planer
[00:43:09] <roycroft> those planer marks are butt-ugly
[00:43:22] <andypugh> My shed kit came with hex-drive screws Huge long ones. Hundreds of them. In fact I still have hundreds left, no idea where they were meant to go.
[00:43:43] <furrywolf> why the heck would you plane boards for a shed?
[00:44:21] <roycroft> when you make fasteners out of pot metal it's cheaper to just ship a bunch of extras than to count/weigh the correct amount
[00:44:29] <SpeedEvil> roycroft: of course
[00:44:33] <roycroft> also, end users tend to lose a lot of fasteners in those kits
[00:44:40] <roycroft> and it's expensive to ship them replacements
[00:44:44] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: shed/temporary living space I don't want to look shit
[00:44:48] <roycroft> even more expensive to argue with them over the phone
[00:44:49] <andypugh> No, these were good quality screws. German, i think.
[00:44:57] <roycroft> that's odd, then
[00:45:06] <roycroft> i should expect them to be carefully weighed out
[00:45:12] <roycroft> if they are quality fasteners
[00:45:19] <furrywolf> the screws that came with some of my shelving break oddly.
[00:45:30] <furrywolf> I'd find the picture but my internet connection is in suck mode.
[00:45:32] <roycroft> that's because you don't align the heads
[00:45:45] <roycroft> if the feng shui is not right the shelves will fail
[00:45:53] <furrywolf> lol
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[00:46:12] * XXCoder randomly rotates one of roycroft's screw heads somewhere
[00:46:33] * roycroft will notice it, even in the dark
[00:47:09] * XXCoder paints over all screws, leaving couple out of alignment
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[00:47:16] <fenn> what's a zps screw?
[00:47:39] <XXCoder> zero point screw screw ;)
[00:48:53] <fenn> it sounded like a material or surface finish
[00:49:14] <andypugh> This is my shed. It was 4x as expensive as some I found, and I think 4x better. The hinge and bolt hardware, for example, is rather serious. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/opP69aOCBnWCZl_VpnK5vdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[00:49:37] * SpeedEvil ponders going nuclear storage-wise.
[00:49:40] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-X-Bail-Arm-Bale-Plastic-Crates-Storage-Stacking-Supermarket-Warehouse-Boxes/221839577325?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29974%26meid%3D8345d5f4c2854f5aaf29cc2ebfda143a%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D221816269792
[00:49:48] <furrywolf> argh. Ace seems to stick their name on the worst crap these days. I just broke the blade. twice. STRIPPING WIRE. I managed to take a good chunk out of it... running it around insulation.
[00:49:57] <furrywolf> and broke the tip off attempting to slit the insulation.
[00:50:09] <SpeedEvil> wow
[00:50:12] <XXCoder> dang
[00:50:24] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Well - at least it diddn't stab you and break off
[00:50:25] * furrywolf replaces it with an irwin blue blade
[00:51:07] <furrywolf> it bends too. like it's made out of unhardened pot metal.
[00:51:12] <andypugh> furrywolf: Take it back. Not fit for purpose. Any purpose
[00:51:38] <XXCoder> andypugh: its good for bait for airplane inspections
[00:51:49] <Tom_itx> andypugh, next time dip your screws in wax or scrape them on bar soap
[00:51:57] <Tom_itx> for 'lubricant'
[00:52:03] <andypugh> True, and possibly as a fishing weight.
[00:52:39] <andypugh> Tom_itx: I tried all that. Just little (nasty, cheap) screws and very good wood.
[00:53:10] <andypugh> But they were also the best little brass screws I could find, too.
[00:53:30] <roycroft> i've made furniture quality stuff for which i'll buff out the slotted head brass screws to a mirror finish before installing them
[00:53:32] <XXCoder> very secure, screws outside. :)
[00:53:52] <andypugh> I am 100% happy with the machine screws, especially as they come out again too, if needed.
[00:53:52] <XXCoder> looks like some are bolts thats bolted inside
[00:53:54] <roycroft> and in that circumstance i would pre-install a cheap screw even if it were in softwood
[00:54:19] <fenn> threadforming tap. and moly. and loctite...
[00:54:31] <roycroft> i've also polished up ss fasteners for metal projects
[00:55:02] <XXCoder> andypugh: nice shed though. you built it?
[00:55:06] <roycroft> nickel plated fasteners would be nice for some projects
[00:55:10] <andypugh> No, I bought it as a kit
[00:55:19] <roycroft> nickel is a much nicer color than stainless steel
[00:55:20] <XXCoder> oh
[00:55:43] <andypugh> (the company were happy to build it for free, but the timing wasn’t right)
[00:55:43] <roycroft> almost as nice as silver
[00:56:33] <furrywolf> I like the color of stainless.
[00:57:01] <roycroft> i like that pitched roof with the slate tiles and brick fa�ade on your shed :P
[00:57:01] <SpeedEvil> Silver colour?
[00:57:05] <SpeedEvil> you mean sort-of-yellow?
[00:57:15] <andypugh> It came from this company, but I guess that isn’t much help if you are not in the UK. They say they have delivered sheds to every UK county but Shetland. http://www.valestables.com
[00:57:54] <fenn> does your horse like its stable?
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[00:59:31] <furrywolf> andypugh: apparantly Battlebots is airing on actual TV in the US this year. I had no idea.
[01:00:06] <andypugh> roycroft: The perspective in that photo is rather strange, is it not? The brick wall is actually the block of three garages out the back, and mine is the middle one. I had assumed that mine was the near one, and that I could extend it into my garden, when I looked at buying the place. I realised it wasnt before I committed, but decided to go for it anyway.
[01:01:34] <andypugh> Both my GasGas horse and my Ner-a-Car horse seem happy in their new stable :-)
[01:02:37] <andypugh> It has just occurred to me that it would be a struggle to find two other bikes with such disparate seat heights.
[01:03:05] <furrywolf> ok, in addition to using entirely slotted screws, this Leviton outlet is garbage.
[01:03:40] <furrywolf> it uses set screws to grab the wire. the screws are only about 2/3rd the diameter as the slot they press into is wide. even though I'm using very coarse wire, it just slides up the sides around the screw.
[01:04:31] <fenn> they're all like that
[01:05:40] <furrywolf> no, they're not. lol
[01:05:43] <andypugh> furrywolf: Did you see the horror I found behind my cooker, between the 40A breaker and the 10A cable feed? https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aVix6Ieq9A6_sN8cUQsO6NMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[01:06:39] <XXCoder> someone ate LSD http://d11cbnttr0b724.cloudfront.net/img_dreamed/839943.jpg
[01:07:24] <andypugh> Two are loosel at the side of the screw. The earth is clamped on to the insulation… I think there were other things wrong on the other side. I felt lucky to have a house rather than cinders when I found it.
[01:07:40] <furrywolf> fun
[01:07:47] <furrywolf> I try to avoid screwing up like that. :P
[01:08:01] <XXCoder> andypugh: ow. remind me of one time I replaced my room lighting
[01:08:10] <XXCoder> wires was taped with brown masking tape
[01:08:24] <XXCoder> and it had feckle from ceiling spray all over it
[01:08:29] <XXCoder> some was smoked.
[01:08:37] <XXCoder> its now very securely and properly protected
[01:08:42] <andypugh> I didn’t do it. I found it after I bought the house, when the oven stopped working. The _first_ thing i did was swap the 40A breaker..
[01:11:11] <furrywolf> andypugh: I sometimes end up fixing houses for people who rented to growers... there's some BAD wiring.
[01:11:30] <furrywolf> the first thing they do is stuff 50A breakers in every slot, so they can plug 40A of lights into each 15A outlet...
[01:11:53] <furrywolf> one had a 50A 240V breaker with a #14 extension cord running out the front of the panel...
[01:12:14] <andypugh> Well, if they check the wire sizing first, that might be OK….
[01:12:48] <andypugh> I don’t understand #14
[01:12:53] <XXCoder> 15A sockets still trouble
[01:13:29] <Tom_itx> 14ga
[01:13:46] <Tom_itx> roughly 15A
[01:14:10] <andypugh> Not on a ring main, I assume?
[01:14:20] <andypugh> (not that I approve of ring mains)
[01:14:31] <Tom_itx> haven't heard of that so.... no
[01:15:32] <furrywolf> there's no ring mains in the US.
[01:15:57] <Tom_itx> generally overhead lights can be wired with 14 ga, usually normal outlets are 12 ga
[01:16:29] <furrywolf> growers generally seem to have no concept of appropriate wire sizes, grounding, circuit protection, or anything else.
[01:16:47] <furrywolf> I suspect it's half ignorance and half not caring if they burn the house down, because they'll just skip town and rent another.
[01:17:43] <andypugh> Extra warmth makes the product grow better
[01:18:03] <andypugh> Anyway, sleep time.
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[01:18:26] <furrywolf> actually, air conditioning is more popular. the lights make the rooms very hot very quickly, and too much heat is bad for the plants.
[01:18:45] <XXCoder> ah pot
[01:19:00] <XXCoder> making as much THC as possible
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[01:25:00] <CaptHindsight> Torch Height Control?
[01:27:08] <roycroft> ring mains is a scary concept
[01:27:15] <roycroft> i'm very happy we have enough sense not to permit it here
[01:31:06] <fenn> does that magnetize the entire building?
[01:32:49] <SpeedEvil> fenn: no
[01:50:03] <PetefromTn_> well I think I have enough scrap steel tube to piece together a frame for that 2x72 bench grinder. Now just gotta decide if I want skateboard wheels or something more elaborate LOL...
[01:50:35] <XXCoder> gold plated skateboard wheels
[01:50:49] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: got a pic of what youre building?
[01:50:51] <PetefromTn_> meh why?
[01:50:57] <Tom_itx> for a bench grinder?
[01:51:10] <PetefromTn_> no I just happened across a video on youtube of one
[01:51:14] <PetefromTn_> its dead simple
[01:51:14] <Tom_itx> i used a rim with a pipe welded to the center
[01:51:21] <zeeshan> hm
[01:51:51] <zeeshan> youre talking about a flat belt grinder right?
[01:51:55] <zeeshan> like people use for sharpening knives
[01:52:18] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJW2d-EH6g
[01:52:45] <Tom_itx> fckin youtube ads
[01:53:04] <Tom_itx> oh one of those
[01:53:17] <zeeshan> man i want one of those!
[01:53:26] <zeeshan> its great for pipe polishing
[01:53:39] <Tom_itx> and cleaning the skin off your bones
[01:53:50] <XXCoder> rod polishing lol
[01:54:25] <PetefromTn_> I can't find the one I posted earlier
[01:54:33] <PetefromTn_> that is the one I want to try to build
[01:55:27] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ss_PZDWP0 that's the one. very simple design
[01:55:39] <furrywolf> I don't like sanding. If I had a sander, I might have to use it.
[01:55:55] <Tom_itx> furrywolf did you see my sherline tapping?
[01:56:02] <furrywolf> no
[01:56:22] <PetefromTn_> looks like that thing would make short work of a lot of stuff I do here everyday
[01:59:08] <zeeshan> lol
[01:59:12] <zeeshan> that guys interference fit
[01:59:14] <zeeshan> is a bit scaryt
[01:59:24] <zeeshan> the die grinder press fit
[01:59:25] <zeeshan> :D
[01:59:38] <PetefromTn_> I have seen a lot of these made with skateboard wheels instead
[02:00:45] <fenn> what's the 10" wheel used for? is that like "hollow ground" knife blades?
[02:01:10] <PetefromTn_> yup exactly
[02:01:19] <PetefromTn_> they made different sizes for different things
[02:02:08] <PetefromTn_> the only thing I think I would change would be to make the vertical table adjustable for angles to allow more comfortable access for larger parts
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[02:16:42] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: You got a video of the sherline tapping?
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[02:29:15] <fenn> os1r1s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsjde_pKUkk
[02:30:03] <os1r1s> fenn: Thx. Tom_itx That is awesome!
[02:35:23] <Tom_itx> i updated the title.. maybe it's easier to find
[02:39:06] <fenn> cute laser pointer trick for centering a mill: http://youtu.be/otSjut1iGGk?t=2m11s
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[02:43:03] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: You going to do a writeup and post it somewhere?
[02:46:22] <Tom_itx> wasn't planning to
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[03:04:00] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: It would be great if you did. I'd like to follow your path.
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[03:25:15] <Tom_itx> what would you like to know?
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[03:39:46] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: Well, your linuxcnc settings are up on your site so I shouldn't need those as I can dig through. But a circuit diagram would be great.
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[05:18:37] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: get youtube center
[05:18:43] <XXCoder> you'll love it
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[05:53:26] <deep_pink> hi
[05:53:41] <deep_pink> XXCoder: ?
[05:53:46] <XXCoder> yeah?
[05:54:27] <deep_pink> how are you and your machine?
[05:55:21] <XXCoder> watched football so didnt do much lol
[05:55:43] <deep_pink> XXCoder: http://i.imgur.com/LHxlSSW.jpg
[05:55:53] <XXCoder> tomorrow will be too busy but sunday I plan to test and also finally attach spindle
[05:56:06] <deep_pink> insert that I made.
[05:56:15] <XXCoder> cheaper than buying eh
[05:56:20] <deep_pink> no
[05:57:04] <deep_pink> I cant find insert that fill the whole slot like this one.
[05:57:37] <deep_pink> now I need to find a way to cut the stock material..
[05:57:58] <XXCoder> stronger I guess.
[05:59:10] <deep_pink> it's almost press fit.
[05:59:40] <deep_pink> i cant put a paper between the insert to the rail.
[05:59:47] <XXCoder> wow
[06:00:19] <deep_pink> I want to make 29 more..
[06:00:29] <deep_pink> but the hacksaw kill me.
[06:00:56] <deep_pink> it's 1/4" by 2" flat bar of steel.
[06:03:30] <XXCoder> why not machine it?
[06:03:37] <XXCoder> machine a long strip
[06:03:47] <XXCoder> then just hack off tabs (by machine even better)
[06:04:16] <XXCoder> hacksaw is for people without machines lol (joking)
[06:05:18] <deep_pink> with the machin i will need to remove 3/8 of maerial
[06:05:52] <deep_pink> or use small end mill that will damage very fast from cutting the steel..
[06:06:08] <XXCoder> its steel and not alum? wow strong allright
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[06:06:55] <deep_pink> yeh, it is steel, mild steel? 1080?
[06:07:32] <XXCoder> still havent learned how to interpet rating like 1080
[06:07:39] <XXCoder> any good site on that?
[06:08:52] <deep_pink> http://www.lowes.com/pd_44165-37672-11686_1z0vjcfZ1z0x0mlZ1z0xzpaZ1z13simZ2z8vj__?productId=3057605&pl=1
[06:08:59] <deep_pink> something like that.
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[06:13:06] <deep_pink_> XXCoder: you can retype, my firefox crash.
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[06:13:20] <XXCoder> lol ok. didnt say anything though, was busy coding
[06:13:40] <XXCoder> you has a good artcle explaining qht 1080 and other hardness rating means?
[06:16:33] <deep_pink_> 1080 it's pretty soft steel.
[06:17:01] <XXCoder> I want to learn how to understand those rating
[06:18:13] <deep_pink_> like hrc?
[06:19:10] <XXCoder> I dont know what hrc means?
[06:19:45] <deep_pink_> http://metalsupermarkets.com/blog/difference-between-hot-rolled-steel-and-cold-rolled-steel/
[06:20:20] <XXCoder> oh. no, for example if someone says 3040
[06:20:28] <XXCoder> I dont know if its stronger or weaker than 1080
[06:20:38] <XXCoder> I dont understand what that number means
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[06:22:02] <deep_pink_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_scale
[06:22:18] <XXCoder> nice! thanks
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[06:24:30] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:24:37] <XXCoder> so higher number means harder
[06:25:24] <deep_pink_> yes
[06:25:43] <XXCoder> such thing as 9999? lol
[06:25:53] <deep_pink_> Ii see that afthe the machinig the part become slightly more hard
[06:26:03] <deep_pink_> I think 100 is dimond..
[06:26:09] <XXCoder> yeah its called tooling hardening
[06:26:34] <XXCoder> I made lot of parts harder by very slowly working on edge. one part took 25 minutes
[06:26:46] <XXCoder> very slowly going around and adding slight chamfer
[06:26:52] <XXCoder> very slow so its much harder
[06:28:04] <deep_pink_> this is exactly what happened to me!!
[06:28:23] <deep_pink_> how i can solve it?
[06:28:23] <XXCoder> that job took me 2 weeks to complete. over thousand
[06:28:33] <deep_pink_> just to use coolant?
[06:28:39] <XXCoder> unfortunately I dont know enough
[06:28:52] <XXCoder> company tells me how basically lol
[06:29:01] <XXCoder> I do know heating causes hardness a bit
[06:30:36] <XXCoder> tool do add its own hardness a little but I dont know how to avoid or increase it
[06:31:03] <deep_pink_> http://i.imgur.com/E1Xn9ZQ.png
[06:31:11] <deep_pink_> this is the tool path
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[06:31:40] <deep_pink_> so how to machine it to eliminate the chamfering..
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[06:32:59] <XXCoder> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general-archive/how-avoid-work-hardening-304-while-machining-152729/
[06:33:03] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:33:51] <XXCoder> its for 304 though
[06:34:07] <Wolf_> deep_pink_: what size t-slot/extrusion is that for
[06:34:21] <deep_pink_> 1050
[06:34:29] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: ^
[06:34:35] <XXCoder> Wolf_: you know how to avoid tooling hardening and heat hardening while milling part? I dont know
[06:35:15] <Wolf_> so 80/20 brand 10 series?
[06:36:01] <deep_pink_> yes
[06:36:12] <Wolf_> XXCoder: no idea on the work hardening
[06:36:33] <Wolf_> deep_pink_: hmm, let me check something, what width is your part you are milling?
[06:36:35] <archivist> real name is work hardening
[06:36:57] <archivist> use a free machining metal to avoid it
[06:38:09] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: 14.71mm
[06:38:55] <XXCoder> ah work hardening
[06:40:36] <archivist> a black mild steel work hardens a lot so you get a poor finish
[06:41:05] <Wolf_> weird, my 1” x 2” measures 14.5mm in the slots
[06:41:06] <deep_pink_> archivist: what do you think about the tool path?
[06:41:33] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: the insert or the t-slot?
[06:42:31] <Wolf_> the slot
[06:42:37] <archivist> you have to get under the skin, both from the hot rolling and the work hardened from a cut
[06:43:23] <archivist> so a light cut ant be the most difficult to get a good finish on
[06:45:40] <archivist> that tool path looks like the slow way to make that shape
[06:46:46] <Wolf_> deep_pink_: http://i.imgur.com/xbAlW8S.jpg 10.94mm wide t-nut
[06:47:30] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: i see this insert in fastenal - and this is why I make my own.
[06:48:02] <Wolf_> this is raw stock from 80/20 on eBay, 9 years ago lol
[06:48:02] <archivist> little need for the curved corner
[06:48:53] <archivist> make a jig to cut along the length two passes, done
[06:50:25] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: I think you need to deburr the edges to get maximum with
[06:50:41] <deep_pink_> archivist: what do you mean by jig?
[06:50:48] <deep_pink_> what 2 passes?
[06:50:50] <Wolf_> I did where I measured
[06:51:04] <archivist> something to hold the metal at the back angle
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[06:52:19] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/8020-T-Slot-Standard-T-Nut-Profile-10-S-8901-x-12-N-/330289304143?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ce6c6d24f
[06:53:38] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: it will be 10.94
[06:54:23] <Wolf_> doubt that would effect it much
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[06:54:50] <archivist> some jig discussion http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/monarch-lathes/ozee-rebuild-264941/index20.html
[06:55:14] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: I know my way is not the easy way - but it it is the right way.
[06:55:30] <Deejay> moin
[06:55:55] <archivist> deep_pink_, actually the wrong way methinks
[06:56:14] <Wolf_> I see what archivist is saying, do the cuts in 3 setups, 1st for width, 2nd/3rd for the bevel
[06:56:42] <Wolf_> or something of that idea
[06:56:46] <archivist> yup
[06:56:57] <deep_pink_> but aand how i can make it round?
[06:57:02] <archivist> then slice off lengths
[06:57:18] <archivist> the round is a dont care
[06:58:12] <archivist> look at function when making a part, does that for perform any function you need
[06:58:37] <Wolf_> fun part is when you find out the inside tolerances of the extruded alum isn’t that tight and you are on the wide side of it
[06:58:58] <deep_pink_> but I want to fill the rail
[06:59:29] <deep_pink_> I can buy the originals if i want the gap
[06:59:36] <deep_pink_> but i need it full.
[07:00:10] <Wolf_> are all the t-extrusions you have 14.71mm wide?
[07:00:35] <archivist> extrusions vary you should never ever attempt to fill
[07:00:59] <archivist> must have a tolerance gap
[07:01:03] <deep_pink_> archivist: why?
[07:01:05] <deep_pink_> ??
[07:01:28] <archivist> it slumps as it comes out the extrusion die
[07:01:51] <archivist> normal manufacturing tolerances
[07:02:08] <deep_pink_> now i have 0.2mm
[07:02:25] <deep_pink_> on the original you get 3mm
[07:02:25] <Wolf_> then add anodizing to the mix
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[07:03:42] <archivist> going for too small a gap, your parts be jamming
[07:03:46] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: anodizing?? steel??
[07:03:58] <XXCoder> extrudes isnt steel
[07:04:05] <deep_pink_> archivist: it's flyyy in the rail
[07:04:50] <deep_pink_> XXCoder: why do i need to anodiz the extrudes??
[07:05:01] <deep_pink_> to make them pink?
[07:05:20] <XXCoder> dunno, wolf was one who bought anodize up
[07:05:32] <XXCoder> there IS black 8020 beams which is anozided though
[07:05:33] <archivist> the extrusion dimensions will vary due to the anodizing process
[07:06:14] <XXCoder> archivist: even no color extrusions are anodized?
[07:06:30] <archivist> some are, read the spec
[07:07:18] <archivist> you can tell by the colour
[07:08:03] <deep_pink_> archivist: they feel like after anodize,,
[07:08:46] <Wolf_> measured that cut end in the pic 14.78, 14.65, 14.77, 14.71 and yes I debured it
[07:10:00] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: it's fine..
[07:10:31] <Wolf_> anyways, it might work, I would still ditch the radius edges to cut down on machining time
[07:11:19] <XXCoder> just do stright chamfers there I guess
[07:11:46] <Wolf_> ^ knock about .5mm off each side probably
[07:11:47] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: I'm not cut the edges.. I like to so stuff the right way.
[07:11:53] <XXCoder> do long sides, cut large slopes, then finally smaller chamfers in back
[07:12:28] <Wolf_> what are the nuts holding down anyways?
[07:13:00] <deep_pink_> just din rail + terminal blocks, hmi.. etc..
[07:13:16] <archivist> putting on unseen radiuses will get you fired as parts cost more
[07:15:15] <deep_pink_> archivist: but you can see them at the installation time.
[07:15:46] <Wolf_> I can see making them for holding ball truck rails or other linear motion stuff, non-critical junk I just use the flat stamped crap lol
[07:17:10] <deep_pink_> so funny, google images ocd machinist
[07:17:29] <Wolf_> :D
[07:17:34] <XXCoder> just checked solvespace
[07:17:41] <XXCoder> updates is very slow :(
[07:19:23] <Wolf_> so, I checked my old shop computer, ran latency test on it, showing a max servo thread jitter of 224729 ns thats not too horrible right?
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[07:19:46] <archivist> ew
[07:19:49] <XXCoder> I need to run jitter test on my pc lol
[07:20:10] <XXCoder> I dont know bad - good scale for jitter so dunno lol
[07:20:13] <Wolf_> thats w/ onboard vid...
[07:20:19] <deep_pink_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ9eysoFjsk
[07:20:25] <archivist> Wolf_, for stepper or a servo system
[07:20:32] <Wolf_> stepper
[07:20:36] <deep_pink_> this is work on hot roled steel from lowes?
[07:20:42] <archivist> 22k is more sensible
[07:20:46] <XXCoder> Wolf_: suggest buy decent sub-$100 video card
[07:20:50] <XXCoder> onboard uses cpu
[07:20:56] <XXCoder> well more anyway
[07:21:05] <Wolf_> yeah I know, thats why I mentioned it lol
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[07:30:18] <archivist> actually it uses dma and shuts the cpu from memory
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[07:30:39] <XXCoder> what factors would affecyt jitter
[07:31:07] <archivist> any badly designed dma activity
[07:31:12] <Wolf_> so tossing a XFX AMD Radeon HD 5450 in that computer should help right?
[07:31:49] <Wolf_> like a whole $30 for one lol
[07:32:51] <archivist> often the driver of nvidia based cards is guilty too
[07:33:26] <archivist> see what cards you have lying around, try them
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[07:34:12] <archivist> use the generic driver rather than any proprietary driver
[07:34:20] <Wolf_> not sure what I was thinking when I build that computer, was for my mom home office and I put it in a half height case
[07:34:52] <Wolf_> sorta figured it wouldnt ever need a video card lol
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[07:39:16] <XXCoder> avoid nvidia ok
[07:43:00] <XXCoder> archivist: http://imagebin.ca/v/2CCYGaSqXI8X
[07:43:09] <XXCoder> im sure you remember the orginial image lol
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[08:01:01] <Wolf_> cpu speed won’t change the latency issue right? what about ram speed/amount?
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[08:19:03] <XXCoder> well
[08:19:08] <XXCoder> more swapping more cpu overhead
[08:19:21] <XXCoder> so more ram is better. dunno if speed of ram matters
[08:21:19] <Wolf_> well, it has 1gb ddr2 667, I have a set of 4gb 800 somewhere
[08:22:37] <XXCoder> 1 gb? yes get more
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[08:36:14] <Wolf_> heh, I was wrong, it has 2gb in it
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[09:06:08] <Wolf_> so next stupid question, I now just need my steppers/drivers, limit switches, e-stop and a break out board like http://www.ebay.com/itm/310702269807 right?
[09:06:42] <XXCoder> wow usb version
[09:07:01] <Wolf_> yeah, its just for power lol
[09:07:10] <XXCoder> try to find matching kit
[09:07:14] <XXCoder> its usually cheaper
[09:07:32] <XXCoder> for example http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema23-Stepping-Motor-110N-cm-3-0A-4wire-board-TB6560-Power-for-CMC-mill-/281188392513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4178225e41
[09:07:45] <XXCoder> I got this, but there is probably cheaper options.
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[10:19:18] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: go with the C10
[10:19:37] <deep_pink_> I have the board that you show on ebay - JUNK!
[10:19:57] <Wolf_> yeah? I was looking at the c10 as well
[10:20:30] <zeeshan> whatcha building
[10:20:32] <deep_pink_> the c10 also come with normak components so if somthing go wrong you can easy replace them,
[10:20:52] <deep_pink_> about drivers - PLEASE DO NOT BUY JUNK!
[10:21:54] <deep_pink_> the all in one board are pure junk - if one of them make problem - you cant do much.
[10:21:55] <Wolf_> zeeshan: harbor junk seig x1 conversion to get over my noob-ness
[10:22:14] <Wolf_> yeah I won’t touch a all in one anything
[10:22:27] <zeeshan> its a good learning experience
[10:22:50] <deep_pink_> go with individuals drivers like the toshibe,
[10:22:51] <Wolf_> then use the x1 to make the small parts for a cnc plasma table
[10:23:03] <zeeshan> ah
[10:23:07] <zeeshan> you wanna get a mesa kit then
[10:23:09] <zeeshan> dont use a c10
[10:23:31] <zeeshan> for a plasma table you need high speeds to ensure quality of cut
[10:23:38] <Wolf_> well, I’ll build a 2nd system for the plasma
[10:23:43] <zeeshan> john throton is expert
[10:25:22] <Wolf_> trying to keep the x1 on low budget :D
[10:25:39] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: about motors - DONT buy a motor before testing the required torque especially with stepper - and then take a safety margin of at least 50%
[10:26:18] <Wolf_> looking at 425oz.in for the Z, and around 200 for the x/y
[10:27:16] <deep_pink_> you can use 425 if the measure show 200
[10:27:44] <Wolf_> if I can get the cnc working I’ll probably get the extended x/y kit and convert them to ball screw
[10:27:56] <deep_pink_> it is soo simple to measure torque
[10:28:38] <deep_pink_> just clamp a vise-grip to the axis and press the and of it with a kitchen scale.
[10:29:21] <deep_pink_> now you know the lengt of the arm, and the force that apply
[10:29:48] <Wolf_> eh, clamp it to the leadscrew?
[10:29:57] <deep_pink_> from than is is very easy to calculate the torque in OZ/in
[10:30:33] <deep_pink_> do you want me to take a pic for you?
[10:32:58] <Wolf_> I have a idea of what you mean, would it make more sense to just use a in/lb torque wrench on it?
[10:33:24] <zeeshan> deep_pink_: im assuming youd be cutting metal
[10:33:26] <zeeshan> while doing this? :)
[10:34:05] <zeeshan> you dont really need to manually do that
[10:34:24] <zeeshan> design your machine for 300lb cutting force
[10:34:34] <zeeshan> you know your leadscrew diameter
[10:34:38] <zeeshan> you can calculate torque
[10:34:44] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: http://i.imgur.com/Yjm7OrI.png
[10:35:29] <deep_pink_> zeeshan: but you have friction and some time the cupling take some..
[10:35:34] <Wolf_> its a small mill, and I’m not reinventing the wheel or anything http://www.embeddedtronics.com/micromill.html < same thing
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[10:35:57] <zeeshan> you can use .3 for coeffcient of friction for acme screw
[10:36:38] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: I think is the worst conversion that I ever see.
[10:36:56] <Wolf_> scroll down some lol
[10:37:24] <Wolf_> he rigged the motors up then used it to cut its own replacement motor mounts
[10:37:27] <deep_pink_> zeeshan: It's take 5 sec to test the torqe
[10:37:53] <zeeshan> deep_pink_: but youre not testing for worst case scenario
[10:37:55] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: http://www.calculatoredge.com/new/torque.htm
[10:38:11] <zeeshan> you need to be cutting the heaviest possible cut in some really hard to machine material like stainless
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[10:38:18] <zeeshan> to get a good value out of that method youre describing
[10:38:34] <deep_pink_> acording to the calcolation my machine need 300 oz/in
[10:39:08] <deep_pink_> acording to the testing - it need almost 600oz in
[10:39:17] <deep_pink_> I have 1025oz/in
[10:39:39] <deep_pink_> and the machine go smooth
[10:41:07] <deep_pink_> zeeshan: I want to do somting one time right .
[10:42:03] <zeeshan> :)
[10:42:06] <zeeshan> sleep time!!
[10:42:27] <jdh> bike time
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[10:42:57] <deep_pink_> the calculation are good if you work with precision parts, the machines and the part that we are talking about are made in china in poor finish, that ma
[10:44:20] <deep_pink_> I get my ball screw with dents - when the ball but hit a dent te torque jump - the calculation dont give you that,
[10:44:37] <deep_pink_> the*
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[10:48:54] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: ?
[10:49:04] <Wolf_> yeah?
[10:51:48] <deep_pink_> I'm hope you didn't feel bad about me, I'm just trying to avoid you from buying junk and usless stuff.
[10:56:50] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: ^
[10:57:35] <Wolf_> I don’t mind, but the x1 conversion isn’t really new, in fact the only ones I can find online are over 6years old mostly lol
[11:04:08] <deep_pink_> you have to know that converstion is bassicly set of modification that you do to the milling machine, and if you want to do it cheap it is much better to get simple engraver than try co convert X1 milling machine, in tight budget - becaus you are going to get a cnc with problems that make your parts not acurate
[11:06:25] <deep_pink_> the 2 majer problems with the X! is small table, and slow RPM
[11:06:33] <deep_pink_> x1*
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[11:07:57] <Wolf_> slow spindle? planning on converting that to belt drive and I can always steal the 1/2hp motor off my taig lathe that I don’t use
[11:09:05] <deep_pink_> but the travel on the Y axis going to be tiny.
[11:10:11] <deep_pink_> 4 in.
[11:10:18] <Wolf_> there is a fix for that http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=2297
[11:11:09] <deep_pink_> you have the x1
[11:11:12] <deep_pink_> ?
[11:11:20] <Wolf_> yeah
[11:11:37] <deep_pink_> you can bring it back to the store?
[11:12:32] <Wolf_> got it about 4yrs ago used along with a 7x10 lathe for $650, came with about $800 in tooling and misc stuff
[11:13:51] <deep_pink_> in this case try to get the maximum out of it..
[11:14:27] <Wolf_> yup, convert it, learn on it, then get something bigger to convert
[11:14:50] <deep_pink_> I have the G0704 and I have about 6" in the Y axis and i wish I had more.
[11:15:31] <Wolf_> I was thinking about a G0704
[11:15:54] <deep_pink_> my convertion pass the 5K..
[11:18:16] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: the problem with the g0704 is the narrow collom
[11:18:27] <trentster> whats the correct terminology for acrylic sides to enclose cnc machine to keep chips in etc?
[11:21:06] <deep_pink_> trentster: polycarbonate sheet
[11:21:48] <trentster> deep_pink_: not the name of the material the name of what you call the side plates once they are made?
[11:21:57] <trentster> e.g. are they called cnc splash plates?
[11:22:12] <malcom2073> trentster: You want polycarbonate, not acrylic
[11:22:13] <Wolf_> machine enclosure ?
[11:22:38] <trentster> Wolf_: I thought a machine enclosure was a full enclosure
[11:23:36] <malcom2073> Also, table enclosure?
[11:23:49] <malcom2073> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/T00LMAN/2013-02-09112444_zps22e4f6b3.jpg
[11:24:11] <deep_pink_> II think the best thing is bullet resistant polycarbonate
[11:24:44] <deep_pink_> malcom2073: it is your machine?
[11:24:45] <trentster> malcom2073: I have made them already out of plexiglass found near dumpster. Just not sure what they are officially called. https://monosnap.com/file/Nv5SYKw5pbuBTgK0d3JqKhCsuPdsuJ
[11:24:49] <malcom2073> deep_pink_: no
[11:26:10] <malcom2073> trentster: Just don't use any coolant when cutting heh
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[11:27:25] <trentster> for any folks who are interested new gantry design plates are in and are really really solid - they have place for structural ribs - but have not needed to add them yet. https://monosnap.com/file/oIkrPeaCYOxos2FCQ7oRGwsEIOmgKj
[11:27:38] <trentster> its really a new machine with these net gantry sides
[11:27:57] <trentster> malcom2073: does coolant eat plexiglass?
[11:28:06] <malcom2073> trentster: iirc it crazes it
[11:28:10] <malcom2073> at least some do
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[11:28:55] <trentster> interesting - I will test - I recall these getting wd40 on them and having no effect
[11:29:15] <malcom2073> I think oil is ok
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[11:35:45] <trentster> malcom2073: thanks I will keep an eye on it
[11:37:58] <Wolf_> hmm http://www.ebay.com/itm/261995690001 looks like overkill for my x1
[11:38:22] <Wolf_> grr didn’t notice the shipping catch lol
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[11:54:34] <Wolf_> http://www.ebay.com/itm//301610212262 good/bad/runaway?
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[11:59:57] <fenn> agreed looks like overkill
[12:00:49] <fenn> but then you can put it on the bigger mill you get when you realize the x1 isn't enough
[12:01:28] <Wolf_> wonder what size steppers would be good for a plasma table...
[12:01:51] <fenn> i think servos would be a better match for plasma because you do a lot more high speed moves
[12:02:04] <Wolf_> true
[12:10:48] <fenn> lol @ just_pink "teaching" xxcoder about AISI alloy designations and rockwell hardness
[12:11:33] <fenn> 1080p the p stands for precision
[12:15:28] <SpeedEvil> fenn: well - it does if you're using a LCD shutter 3d printer :)
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[12:32:17] <jthornton> Tom_itx, in about 1h 15m check the html docs, I think I have fixed everything
[12:32:53] <jthornton> fenn I applied your changes to the html
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[12:44:39] <Wolf_> hmm… $204 for a 270oz.in kit, or $247 for 425oz.in, same DM542A drivers and 36v/9.7A PSU…
[12:45:29] <archivist> jthornton, which html docs ?
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[12:51:57] <fenn> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/ looks the same as before
[12:52:30] * fenn reads the text and waits 1 hour
[12:53:29] <archivist> fenn, your page had a div mismatch error
[12:56:04] <fenn> yeah i know. jthornton could i bug you to add a </div> after </UL> on line 156 (sec5)
[12:57:25] <fenn> firefox doesn't like the missing </div>
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[13:20:51] <Jymmm> Here we go, THIS is what LinuxCNC needs... http://search.ebay.com/121281557635
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[13:47:23] <Tom_itx> jthornton, looks good here
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[13:49:53] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: not sure what you mean since I didn't see any claims that it can control your CNC from your iphone while at the beach :)
[13:51:57] * furrywolf bets vnc could do that
[13:52:40] <furrywolf> (assuming there's an iphone vnc client, and apple hasn't banned it for being incompatible with the apple philosophy of not letting you access any non-apple-approved services)
[13:53:04] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: twitch. CNC is totally a game
[13:53:34] <furrywolf> ?
[13:54:27] <SpeedEvil> nvm
[13:54:41] <SpeedEvil> Twitch is a game streaming service
[13:54:53] <furrywolf> ah
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[13:57:15] * furrywolf knows very little about games
[14:01:25] <SpeedEvil> I use it when I want to watch a girl, dressed as an elf, kill zombies with a frying pan.
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[14:02:42] <SpeedEvil> To be clear - not dressed as an elf in-game.
[14:02:47] <furrywolf> lol
[14:03:04] <fenn> now it all makes sense
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[14:42:54] <MrSunshine> how to remove burnt glue from particleboard? :/
[14:42:59] <MrSunshine> that is on the router bits
[14:44:33] <PetefromTn_> i have taken a propane torch to them carefully and the glue just drools off
[14:44:55] <PetefromTn_> probably making them less strong in the process tho LOL
[14:45:06] <PetefromTn_> might try some acetone too
[14:45:52] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, have you seen this? http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/carousel.9.html
[14:46:01] <Tom_itx> looking over the new 2.7 docs a bit
[14:46:09] <PetefromTn_> nope
[14:46:22] <PetefromTn_> I have been buried in Tig practice ;)
[14:46:38] <Tom_itx> burns to prove it?
[14:46:42] <furrywolf> soak in gasoline
[14:47:00] <PetefromTn_> LOL actually yes
[14:47:22] <furrywolf> I need a TIG welder, but so far no one on craigslist will take a honda generator in trade.
[14:47:33] <furrywolf> that's my new plan... assembling an entire shop by trading honda generators. :P
[14:48:01] <furrywolf> already got a mill, now need a lathe, tig welder,... :P
[14:48:08] <PetefromTn_> heh no crazier than trying to build a shop making money from a single CNC machine LOL
[14:48:26] <furrywolf> I traded an eu2000i for my mill...
[14:50:02] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx http://i.imgur.com/jDMwrya.jpg this is what happens when you reposition yourself quickly with a hot end of a tig wire not carefully enough.. Just the slightest instant and BAM
[14:51:44] <Tom_itx> you're supposed to cauterize wounds with hot wire, not make new ones
[14:52:08] <PetefromTn_> LOL I know right...where were you when I needed ya?
[14:52:49] <PetefromTn_> sounds like Andy built a special carousel component JUST for me huh....
[14:53:06] <Tom_itx> he had you in mind when writing it
[14:54:22] <PetefromTn_> I should give him a big kiss for that hehehe I just gotta get the analog control wired up but I am worried about what I am going to be losing with the modbus and what it will disable IE the index mask etc.
[14:54:38] <PetefromTn_> I need to pick a weekend to ONLY work on the toolchanger or something
[14:59:28] <Tom_itx> there's also an example for raising the spindle for picking up the tool
[14:59:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah mine does that to pickup and release
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[15:20:57] <MrSunshine> gasoline seem to have no effect on this glue
[15:21:06] <MrSunshine> nor does dish soap or ordenary soap
[15:21:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20150801-engineering-student-develops-large-concrete-3d-printer-in-his-garage.html maybe it's jjst me but this would have been much more impressive if he did it in his bathroom of his 4th floor walkup
[15:29:43] <CaptHindsight> MrSunshine: burned particle board adhesive?
[15:33:40] <MrSunshine> CaptHindsight: yes
[15:34:01] <MrSunshine> found that cmt has some cleaner for their bits etc .. might be worth a try
[15:36:47] <MrSunshine> sucks that i need to order alot more to get the free shipping tho :P
[15:36:53] <MrSunshine> and i dont know what more to buy right now :P
[15:37:13] <DaViruz> MrSunshine: acetone?
[15:37:31] <MrSunshine> tried before .. acetone .. wd40 etc nothing seems to get it :/
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[15:38:35] <fenn> methylene chloride!
[15:42:17] <furrywolf> MEK is often good
[15:42:43] <fenn> i was mostly joking, don't try methylene chloride. better to just stop using particle board, that stuff is terrible in every way
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[15:43:23] <fenn> random web page recommends oven cleaner (alkaline)
[15:44:27] <fenn> or "simple green" degreaser if you know what that is
[15:45:15] <MrSunshine> fenn: its cheap to use and nice to build jigs and stuff from =)
[15:45:20] <cradek> did you try rubbing alcohol?
[15:45:36] <MrSunshine> what is rubbing alcohol ?
[15:45:49] <fenn> isopropanol or ethanol
[15:46:11] <MrSunshine> nop .. and do not have any :/ tho i know a friend has some .. =)
[15:46:29] <MrSunshine> but i think i will order a gallon of cmts cleaner later .. got some mighty dirty router bits to clean :P
[15:47:50] <zeeshan> anyone here good with surface modelling?
[15:49:32] <furrywolf> you're the cad expert here. :P
[15:49:47] <fenn> zeeshan: you want to use a nurbs modeler for that part, not spline lofting
[15:49:59] <zeeshan> fenn: ive done nurbs modelling
[15:50:13] <zeeshan> its just as hard!! :(
[15:50:20] <fenn> heh ok
[15:50:27] <PetefromTn_> why are you buring and coating the endmills in the first place?
[15:52:00] <fenn> birch plywood is not that expensive if you're just using it for little jigs and things (not making a bookshelf)
[15:52:03] <zeeshan> why do shapes need to look organic :-(
[15:52:49] <zeeshan> fenn: this is what i had to do using nurbs
[15:52:50] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/4x7DtfH.png
[15:53:04] <zeeshan> that shit took forever dude
[15:53:23] * furrywolf still has no clue what zeeshan is making
[15:53:39] <zeeshan> i told ya
[15:53:42] <zeeshan> its a case for an e-cig
[15:53:46] <zeeshan> for a customer
[15:53:55] <fenn> zeeshan that reminds me of using a tandy computer to design cars in elementary school
[15:54:13] <furrywolf> tell your customer is looks like shit, both figuratively and literally. :P
[15:54:17] <zeeshan> lol
[15:54:17] <furrywolf> s/is/it
[15:54:52] <fenn> zeeshan just design it like a normal part with lots of large radius chamfers
[15:55:02] <zeeshan> i tried that
[15:55:04] <zeeshan> doesnt work
[15:55:13] <zeeshan> its a really damn complex shape
[15:55:15] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/9dxQION.jpg
[15:55:18] <zeeshan> im getting close
[15:55:25] <zeeshan> but i still have a shit load of bumps in the surface
[15:55:27] <zeeshan> that im trying to get rid of
[15:55:34] <zeeshan> even though i have met tangency
[15:55:56] <CaptHindsight> the ID folks always tend to prefer Creo/ProE for dis stuff
[15:56:08] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i was told alias was the leader
[15:56:12] <zeeshan> and that software is complete shit
[15:56:23] <zeeshan> we take history tree for granted in cad.
[15:56:31] <CaptHindsight> for looks, like rhino
[15:56:38] <furrywolf> who here knows something about tapers? I'm trying to figure out what my new mill has. what's the difference between CT40, BT40, Cat40, NMTB40, ISO40, and #40? argh.
[15:56:47] <fenn> i was going to suggest rhino even though i've never used it
[15:56:47] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you didnt pay attention
[15:56:50] <zeeshan> to me before did you!
[15:56:53] <zeeshan> when i was trying to figure mine out :P
[15:57:06] <CaptHindsight> but when they need dimensions it's Creo/ProE
[15:57:13] <furrywolf> would be nice if the manual told me! heh
[15:57:15] <zeeshan> bt40 and cat40 are literally the same
[15:57:33] <zeeshan> except the end of it is threaded for either 5/8-11 for cat40
[15:57:40] <zeeshan> or m16 or something like that for bt40
[15:57:58] <PetefromTn_> if you squint you eyes really hard and turn your head sideways it KINDA looks like part of the venus demilo...;)
[15:58:16] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_!~IceChat9@75-136-59-160.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com: ROPFL
[15:58:17] <zeeshan> hahahhaha
[15:58:19] <zeeshan> thank you for making my day
[15:58:29] <PetefromTn_> np
[15:58:31] <furrywolf> I'm willing to bet it's not metric. :)
[15:58:37] <zeeshan> gahahah
[15:58:41] <PetefromTn_> don't even say metric
[15:59:02] <zeeshan> nmtb 40 from what i remember
[15:59:09] <zeeshan> has a different flange
[15:59:16] <zeeshan> http://www.techniksusa.com/images2008/end_mill_holders/CAT40EMH_stubby_l.jpg <- cat40
[15:59:26] <furrywolf> given as it's american from the '40s. :P
[15:59:41] <zeeshan> http://d1bwdd6xglc35q.cloudfront.net/media/catalog/product/cache/41/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/0/106808_hpt_fs_1.jphttp://d1bwdd6xglc35q.cloudfront.net/media/catalog/product/cache/41/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/0/106808_hpt_fs_1.jpg
[15:59:42] <zeeshan> iso40
[15:59:48] <furrywolf> I found one page that placed it between 1946 and mid 1950s based on various features
[15:59:49] <zeeshan> the first thing you need to determine is taper.
[15:59:58] <zeeshan> just measure the bottom diameter of the taper that'll tell you what you got
[16:00:14] <furrywolf> it looks like 40 to me from what I've seen before, and found a page saying that. I'll double-check tomorrow, however.
[16:00:25] <zeeshan> well that is a bit odd
[16:00:36] <zeeshan> you usually cat40 on bigger machines
[16:00:51] <zeeshan> you sure its #40?
[16:00:54] <furrywolf> link above is blank
[16:01:01] <zeeshan> it should be #40
[16:01:03] <zeeshan> http://d1bwdd6xglc35q.cloudfront.net/media/catalog/product/cache/41/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/0/106808_hpt_fs_1.jpg
[16:01:10] <furrywolf> it's a 6.5ft tall machine with a >4ft wide table... it's not THAT small...
[16:01:42] <zeeshan> it is a normal sized manual mill
[16:01:43] <PetefromTn_> lots of early horiz and vert machined had cat40 style toolholders
[16:01:49] <furrywolf> that's the right overall shape all right, complete with the two cuts in the side of the flange.
[16:01:56] <zeeshan> thats true, but is his horizontal?
[16:02:05] <furrywolf> mine vertical
[16:02:16] <furrywolf> it was available in a horizontal and a universal version, however
[16:02:21] <zeeshan> notice the extra cylinder for iso40
[16:02:26] <zeeshan> its quite different of a tool holder
[16:02:54] <zeeshan> http://www.aptint.com/machines/7222/7222_1_m.jpg
[16:03:01] <zeeshan> that is a "bigger" mill
[16:03:03] <furrywolf> There's "Lot of 24 Haas CT-40 Tool Holders, various models, new condition" coming up at a local auction monday, wondering if I should be bidding on them. :)
[16:04:02] * furrywolf also wants the "Mori-Seiki Turning Center SL-1" and other stuff at the auction
[16:05:05] <furrywolf> bbl, someone here
[16:07:03] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5g4c1cI8lg
[16:07:15] <furrywolf> back
[16:07:17] <zeeshan> most of the youtube creators for machining are here :P
[16:07:39] <zeeshan> abom789!!
[16:10:39] <fenn> zeeshan: i can't download that video, what is it?
[16:10:45] <zeeshan> its not a download
[16:10:45] <zeeshan> lol
[16:10:49] <zeeshan> its all the youtube guys together
[16:10:53] <zeeshan> from the machining community
[16:11:02] <zeeshan> wish i coulda gone
[16:11:13] <PetefromTn_> how come I wasn't invited :(
[16:11:24] <zeeshan> everyone was
[16:11:27] <zeeshan> you dont follow some of these guys?
[16:11:32] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: none of us were either. :P
[16:11:36] <zeeshan> i learn so much from em just by watching em work
[16:11:36] <PetefromTn_> musta missed the invite
[16:12:01] * furrywolf doesn't "follow" anything to do with youtube
[16:12:07] <PetefromTn_> we need to have ANOTHER East Tennessee CNC fest over here LOL
[16:12:14] <zeeshan> john nyccnc
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[16:12:15] <zeeshan> is also there
[16:12:19] <fenn> oh it's a live stream
[16:12:26] <PetefromTn_> can't stand that guy really
[16:12:38] <zeeshan> oxtoolco, abom79, nyccnc, randy richard in the shop, keith rucker
[16:12:45] <zeeshan> the only person famous and missing is keith fenner
[16:12:53] <fenn> terrible audio compression
[16:12:58] <zeeshan> i think even tactical keychain is there
[16:13:01] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: me either lol
[16:13:06] <zeeshan> i force myself to watch his videos
[16:13:37] <PetefromTn_> oxtoolco, keith fenner, abom, MrPete are all I occasionally watch
[16:13:43] <zeeshan> no mrpete there :(
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[16:13:49] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you gotta watch abom79
[16:13:51] <zeeshan> hes really good
[16:14:00] <furrywolf> how about a far northern california non-youtube meet? :P
[16:14:02] <PetefromTn_> ^^
[16:14:11] <zeeshan> a couple weeks after i subscribed to his channel
[16:14:12] <zeeshan> his dad died :(
[16:14:17] <PetefromTn_> NO man I already told you an EAST TENNESSEE MEET
[16:14:24] <furrywolf> video doesn't work here either, at all
[16:14:33] <zeeshan> furrywolf: this is in your neck of the woods
[16:14:37] <zeeshan> well socal not north cal
[16:14:39] <furrywolf> looks like youtube is broken.
[16:14:40] <archivist> UK meet!!!!!
[16:14:41] <zeeshan> but you're closer than i am
[16:14:52] <fenn> furrywolf: it's just some dudes standing around talking
[16:14:55] <PetefromTn_> Socal is a LONG way from Norcal LOL
[16:15:06] <zeeshan> he at least its in the same state!!
[16:15:12] <renesis> i just did the drive, can confirm
[16:15:13] <zeeshan> im in a bloody igloo here
[16:15:22] <furrywolf> youtube is complaining my html5 video doesn't work, however my html5 video works perfectly, and firefox says it's never even being given a video to play.
[16:15:26] <archivist> sunny day here
[16:15:49] <furrywolf> zeeshan: the distance between farnorcal and socal is larger than crossing most of the states in US.
[16:15:50] <PetefromTn_> archivist I would come to a UK meet if you pay for the tickets ;)
[16:16:01] <archivist> wot!
[16:16:08] <zeeshan> archivist: dont worry i am coming
[16:16:10] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[16:16:14] <zeeshan> but you might be missing a lot of things after
[16:16:16] <furrywolf> bbl
[16:16:25] <renesis> los angeles to furry is prob 700 miles
[16:16:34] <zeeshan> thats nothing
[16:16:37] * archivist buys a large safe
[16:16:40] <zeeshan> you're calling that long?!
[16:16:40] <zeeshan> :P
[16:16:54] <renesis> thats pretty long, i just did like 600
[16:17:18] <PetefromTn_> better than Tennessee to Chicago heh
[16:17:30] <renesis> right around the length where a nap midway makes things way easier
[16:18:43] <renesis> the scenery is probably nicer, los angeles to humbolt vs chicago to tennessee
[16:19:04] <PetefromTn_> scenery? what's that?
[16:19:35] <renesis> like, trees, hills, ocean, seacliffs
[16:19:47] <renesis> happy cows, unhappy cows
[16:20:12] <PetefromTn_> I know I have driven from SD to Sacto several times.... except for the smell somewhere in the middle it was not terrible ;)
[16:20:36] <renesis> i dont drive the smelly parts of the 5
[16:20:45] <PetefromTn_> how do you avoid em?
[16:21:03] <renesis> i drive up the 101 to almost monterey, cut across to the 5 past the cow oceans
[16:21:08] <PetefromTn_> what is that a pig farm or chicken farm?
[16:21:22] <renesis> that way you avoid the toll ways and bridges in the bay area
[16:21:31] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man you start smelling it about an hour before you get there and you get to enjoy it for about an hour past it...
[16:22:05] <PetefromTn_> bakersfield?
[16:22:07] <renesis> i hit the 5 right little below stockton, no smells
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[16:23:23] <renesis> and yeah bakersfield sounds right for smelly zone
[16:23:33] <renesis> its also dry and dusty, its also boring
[16:23:35] <PetefromTn_> OMG it STINKS
[16:23:52] <renesis> dude its an ocean of cows how can it not stink
[16:23:55] <PetefromTn_> and you can't avoid it no matter what you do
[16:24:02] <renesis> you drive the coast
[16:24:09] <renesis> and cut over
[16:24:16] <PetefromTn_> drove the PCH a couple times..
[16:24:19] <renesis> the smell doesnt get over the mountains
[16:24:29] <PetefromTn_> went from Frisco north and Frisco south
[16:24:39] <PetefromTn_> Monterrey
[16:24:43] <PetefromTn_> Beautiful
[16:24:57] <renesis> monterey to SLO is a nice stretch of pch
[16:25:25] <zeeshan> lol
[16:25:30] <zeeshan> these guys are talking machining
[16:25:34] <renesis> but its crowded, and not so twisty, also it goes past the 101 where i cut across on the 156/152, so almost never do it
[16:25:35] <zeeshan> and making machining jokes
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[16:26:24] <renesis> petefromtn_: that area, and the 101 close to oregon border is prob most beautiful drives in ca
[16:26:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah agree
[16:27:58] <renesis> so ill drive the extra 90mi to take the 101 past the 5 in the lower central valley
[16:28:52] <renesis> some of the sexiest scenery in north america versus concentration camps for cows, easy decision for me
[16:28:53] <PetefromTn_> great motorcycle ride
[16:29:12] <renesis> probably
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[16:29:53] <renesis> the 1 between slo and monterey is tons of motorcycles and cops, nice slow cruise, pedestrians at turnsouts everywhere
[16:30:32] <renesis> less crowded up where furry lives
[16:30:54] <PetefromTn_> just more crackheads hehe according to him
[16:31:54] <renesis> its not as much of a pothead mecca since legalization, so prob typical rural level of tweakers
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[16:32:57] * PetefromTn_ whenever I think of the word tweakers I musingly replace it with zombies hehe
[16:33:09] <renesis> furrywolf thinks potheads are junkies tho so im guessing theres a bit of bias, heh
[16:33:36] <renesis> petefromtn_: haha ya, gas station attendant zombies are the weirdest
[16:33:52] <renesis> like, stuck in a loop sweeping the same aisle for 20 minutes wtf
[16:34:13] <PetefromTn_> and those are the smart ones ;)
[16:35:18] <renesis> ya they have jobs
[16:35:25] <renesis> funtional tweakers, kinda
[16:35:36] <renesis> ^c
[16:37:15] <jthornton> archivist what tool do you use to find the div mismatch?
[16:39:10] <jthornton> geeze that was a tough ride this morning
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[16:57:35] <archivist> jthornton, https://validator.w3.org
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[18:37:48] <Wolf_> Still haven’t made up my mind on this seig x1 steppers, part of me it saying just buy cheap shit like $20 227 oz.in 23s and dirt cheap TB6560 drivers
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[18:38:22] <Wolf_> sieg*
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[18:47:15] <jthornton> you get what you pay for usually
[18:47:56] <zeeshan> jthornton: that explains the STD i got from the hooker!
[18:47:57] <zeeshan> jk
[18:48:00] <zeeshan> inappropriate
[18:48:06] <zeeshan> im going crazy with this surface modelling stuff
[18:48:15] <Wolf_> yeah, I know that, but more so wondering if sieg x1 really needs more then 227oz.in on the x/y…
[18:48:37] <zeeshan> why would you buy garbage drivers
[18:48:46] <zeeshan> that blow a cap in a couple uses
[18:48:46] <jthornton> 227oz is how hard the stepper will stay still...
[18:49:14] <zeeshan> http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6790816639.html?orderId=68267414693163
[18:49:17] <zeeshan> when you can just buy this!
[18:49:48] <zeeshan> it even says its the most powerful
[18:50:30] <Wolf_> lol, so many m542 on eBay… all with added letters from china
[18:51:29] <jthornton> look at the torque chart for steppers http://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/surestepmotors.pdf
[18:51:33] <Wolf_> so what aspect of the steppers should I be looking at, current rating?
[18:52:24] <zeeshan> Wolf_: just buy the cheap shit
[18:52:27] <zeeshan> so you can learn the hard way
[18:52:36] <zeeshan> trust me, i was the same in the beginning :P
[18:52:41] <zeeshan> you won't learn otherwise
[18:52:48] <Jymmm> Here we go, THIS is what LinuxCNC needs... http://search.ebay.com/121281557635 (CaptHindsight nope, no iPhone, Android only ;)
[18:53:25] <Jymmm> zeeshan++
[18:53:58] <Wolf_> well, the steppers are oddly Sanyo nema 23
[18:55:01] <jthornton> did you look at the torque charts?
[18:57:01] <Wolf_> yeah, faster=less torque, and higher current rating has flatter curve
[18:57:16] <jthornton> higher voltage
[18:58:19] <Jymmm> Wolf_: I would HIGHLY recommend that you read ALL of this, actually a few times as there is a LOT of informaiton in it that will help in the long run... http://www.geckodrive.com/media/wysiwyg/Step%20Motor%20Basics%20Guide.pdf
[18:58:47] <Wolf_> ebay sanyo listing says nema 23 3.35A 36v 227oz.in holding 6wire
[18:58:55] <jthornton> so the lesson is if you use a 24v power supply on a 227oz stepper when you start moving your at 180oz at 500 RPM your half that etc
[18:59:20] <jthornton> how much?
[18:59:51] <Wolf_> $20 +$7sh +$2 of each added
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[19:20:32] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: now servo drivers become cheaper, they cost almost the same as stepper drivers, why do you want to work with stepper?
[19:23:16] <fenn> deep_pink_: what's a good and inexpensive servo driver?
[19:23:37] <fenn> everything i see is like $150
[19:24:05] <Wolf_> yeah, let me know, I have nema 34 servo motors sitting here that I picked up like 7-8 years ago
[19:24:38] <Wolf_> granted that they are 3phase dc…
[19:24:44] <deep_pink_> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/dc-servo-motor-driver/geckodrive-servo-motor-driver-g320x
[19:24:59] <deep_pink_> $114.95
[19:25:12] <fenn> that's the price he would pay for a 3 axis kit including stepper motors and driver board
[19:26:22] <deep_pink_> but you cant comper junk to made in usa
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[19:26:37] <Wolf_> yeah, right now i’m looking at $70 steppers+ $25 drivers (I don’t mind reworking boards lol) + $34 psu and a c10 bob
[19:26:47] <fenn> sure, but i don't even need the fancy things the g320 does
[19:27:12] <fenn> i'd rather have a dumb h-bridge and let linuxcnc do all the thinking
[19:30:14] <fenn> Wolf_: 3 phase servo driver $20 ea http://www.ebay.com/itm/BLDC-Power-3-Phase-Servo-Motor-Driver-Hall-Effect-MC33033-MC33039-PIC16F873A-/271582181158
[19:30:45] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: even the guy that you show yesterday at the end use servo..
[19:31:15] <deep_pink_> Wolf_: but he cange the motors 3 times to understand it..
[19:32:48] <Wolf_> fenn: damn thats cheap
[19:33:16] <fenn> you'd need a mesa card too ($80 i think)
[19:35:25] <Wolf_> that and a computer without crappy latency
[19:35:53] <JT-Shop> if you use a mesa card latency is not as important
[19:36:13] <Wolf_> oh, thats good to know
[19:38:00] <fenn> man i need a spreadsheet of mesa's products
[19:38:30] <t12> http://www.mesanet.com/prices.pdf ?
[19:38:44] <fenn> yes it's great that they actually give you prices
[19:38:44] <PetefromTn_> ya know that is NOT a bad idea... something simple with just application specifics
[19:39:13] <fenn> there's a lot of stuff i don't imagine anyone using linuxcnc would ever need, like the pc104 and smart servo drivers etc
[19:39:16] <PetefromTn_> I know they make a bunch of different quality boards but I'll be damned if I know what most of them do LOL
[19:40:05] <fenn> the part numbers are inscrutable
[19:41:02] <PetefromTn_> ooh good word!
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[19:41:29] <fenn> you have to roll the r when you say it
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[19:46:52] <fenn> huh apparently the "smart serial" servo drives are supported by linuxcnc http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Mesa_Cards http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/sserial.9.html
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[20:03:14] <Wolf_> shit, picking this stuff out is so much fun
[20:03:23] * Wolf_ bangs head on desk
[20:07:50] <fenn> to talk to those 3 phase servo drives you would also need a 7i33 ($69) and 5i25LP ($89) and maybe some cables and a free PCI slot
[20:09:00] <fenn> or you might be able to wire the 5i25 PWM outputs directly to the drives since they are 0-5V
[20:09:01] <Tom_itx> .
[20:09:07] <Wolf_> going stepper route for my intro to messing with this stuff
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[20:12:52] <Wolf_> TB6600 drivers, 36v 350w psu and the sanyo steppers have me at $159.2 in my cart toss a c10 bob and I think I’m set to start (well plus mounting the things…)
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[21:02:04] <Wolf_> hmm, scratch the b6600 drivers, from what I’m reading online the eBay ones are total crap
[21:02:13] <Wolf_> *tb6600
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[21:07:59] <Deejay> gnite
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[21:42:35] <Wolf_> zeeshan: was that suggestion serious on the M542H driver?
[21:42:50] <zeeshan> yes
[21:42:50] <JT-Shop> can you guys see this https://www.google.com/maps/@36.80011,-90.493925,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!6m1!1szgvL6SexnLkM.kBVXz8EQg6lw
[21:42:54] <zeeshan> but im glad you acknowledge i troll
[21:42:55] <zeeshan> sometimes
[21:43:30] <Wolf_> I seem to be going in circles looking at steppers…
[21:43:38] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: yes
[21:44:11] <JT-Shop> the red lines are where I ride my mountain bike and I just fingered out how to add them to google maps lol
[21:46:12] <JT-Shop> Wolf_, if I was picking out a stepper system for <50v I'd use Gecko 251's, with an Antec power supply and steppers of your choice
[21:47:14] <JT-Shop> but I assume your mill is a manual with acme lead screws so it will only be as good as the lead screws
[21:47:49] <Wolf_> ouch $229 each… its a Seig x1/harbor freight micro mill i’m messing with
[21:48:30] <JT-Shop> $89 each
[21:49:00] <Wolf_> oops looking at the wrong one
[21:49:13] <JT-Shop> anything would be better than the blue board
[21:50:33] <Wolf_> I keep ending up looking at the longs motor kits on eBay… m542H drivers + nema 23 steppers
[21:50:44] <JT-Shop> the drive zeeshan linked to looked ok as a step down
[21:50:58] <JT-Shop> time to take the wife to dinner see you guys later
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[23:37:26] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vHrXBNwW60
[23:38:45] <PetefromTn_> Nice Moby...
[23:41:33] <zeeshan> yea hes good!
[23:50:45] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, if you update to 2.7, the sample code for the changer is in: usr/share/doc/linuxcnc/examples/sample-configs/sim/axis/vismach/VMC-toolchange
[23:50:55] <Tom_itx> there is a sim there you can run
[23:51:11] <PetefromTn_> OK
[23:51:15] <Tom_itx> afk to fix a sway bar now
[23:51:19] <PetefromTn_> I will try to do that
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