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[01:56:10] <zeeshan> this is impossible to model
[01:56:10] <zeeshan> lol
[01:56:13] <zeeshan> FUCK!!
[01:56:23] <zeeshan> ive never been so stumped on a model before
[01:56:24] <zeeshan> lol
[01:56:33] <zeeshan> damn you free formed models!!
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[02:11:42] <tiwake> zeeshan: you didnt buy that thing did you?
[02:11:48] <zeeshan> i did
[02:11:52] <zeeshan> lol
[02:11:53] <zeeshan> jk
[02:11:56] <zeeshan> no i didnt
[02:12:02] <zeeshan> i emailed the guy saying to me its only worth 1500-1800
[02:12:05] <zeeshan> good luck with sale.
[02:12:12] <Tom_itx> tapping video coming up
[02:12:18] <zeeshan> he replied back "1500-1800" is scrap value
[02:12:22] <zeeshan> and to give him a better offer
[02:12:50] <tiwake> heh, well.. if you did buy it I wouldent care that much... its your (loss of) life
[02:12:57] <zeeshan> haha
[02:13:03] <zeeshan> tiwake: but its such a cool machine
[02:13:09] <malcom2073> What machine?
[02:13:27] <zeeshan> have any of you guys played with laser scanning
[02:13:30] <zeeshan> i have a line laser
[02:13:37] <zeeshan> im wondering if i can use it to somehow get more pictures
[02:13:43] <zeeshan> and get a rough idea of my shape in cad.
[02:13:57] <zeeshan> malcom2073:
http://imgur.com/a/fQEVW
[02:14:20] <malcom2073> My dad has had decent luck with laser scanning with a line laser and webcam
[02:14:34] <zeeshan> can i do it quickly?
[02:14:53] <malcom2073> Hah, that *looks* like scrap
[02:14:57] <malcom2073> Define quickly?
[02:15:01] <zeeshan> couple hours
[02:15:02] <malcom2073> It's a bit of a hassle to set up
[02:15:05] <zeeshan> to get a point cloud
[02:15:57] <malcom2073> I think this is what he used:
http://www.makerscanner.com/
[02:17:25] <rootB> LinuxCNC, i have a shapeoko 2. 1000mm Y axis and 500 mm X axis
[02:17:37] <rootB> right now I want to make it more percise, add auto home and calibrate it properly
[02:18:08] <rootB> are there an steps to follow or could you lend me a hand on what I need to buy. I'm also thinking on installing LinuxCNC since it looks far better than Mach3 or any CNC software available thru USB
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[02:24:16] <Tom_L> zeeshan,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsjde_pKUkk&feature=youtu.be
[02:24:25] <zeeshan> says private
[02:24:36] <Tom_L> damn..
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[02:25:15] <Tom_L> should show up
[02:25:43] <zeeshan> now it does
[02:26:08] <zeeshan> damn dude
[02:26:12] <zeeshan> your spindle stops fast
[02:26:43] <Tom_L> the delay doesn't seem to bother it
[02:26:57] <Tom_L> the noise is the z stepper following the spindle
[02:26:57] <malcom2073> Tap dat wood
[02:27:16] <Tom_L> the mill is sitting here in my office... it's all i had handy
[02:27:36] <malcom2073> Always facinating watching rigid tapping
[02:28:07] <Tom_L> had a 6/32 programmed but couldn't find a screw so i stuck an 8/32 in the collet cause i had one of those
[02:29:11] <malcom2073> I'm wondering if my mill will be able to do it, it's got a pretty massive spindle, probably won't stop on a dime
[02:29:25] <Tom_L> no reason not to
[02:29:28] <Tom_L> add a brake
[02:30:20] <Tom_L> i'd have shown the drill too but i had to use the same collet for both
[02:30:58] <rootB> So yeah LinuxCNC, what parts would you recommend me to add to my Shapeoko CNC router to finally have it permanently set up
[02:44:26] <PetefromTn_> woah that is some hunk O junk huh zeeshan....unfortunately
[02:44:38] <zeeshan> yep
[02:44:40] <zeeshan> i cant model it man
[02:44:47] <zeeshan> im asking a friend if he can 3d scan it
[02:44:50] <zeeshan> i hate asking others for favours :/
[02:45:15] <PetefromTn_> you should get a cheap probe and learn to probe the thing to a point cloud so you can teach me how to do it ;)
[02:45:19] <zeeshan> its kinda sad what i've gotten done in 4 hours
[02:45:19] <zeeshan> lol
[02:45:31] <Tom_itx> heh
[02:45:42] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i dont think a probe will help me here
[02:45:45] <PetefromTn_> I was just out there practicing and I started thinking about what you said about pulsing it...
[02:45:46] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ you see my tapping video?
[02:45:46] <zeeshan> it really needs to be a 3d scanner
[02:45:51] <zeeshan> or a 5 axis probe
[02:45:54] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx yeah man that is cool
[02:46:02] <zeeshan> howd it work out?
[02:46:04] <PetefromTn_> never seen a machine STOP during a tap cycle like that
[02:46:12] <zeeshan> lol i know man!
[02:46:14] <zeeshan> it stops FAST
[02:46:16] <PetefromTn_> honestly I think it helped a LOT
[02:46:17] <Tom_itx> heh
[02:46:24] <PetefromTn_> no I mean COMPLETELY stop
[02:46:39] <Tom_itx> worked good, nice fit with the screw
[02:46:41] <PetefromTn_> my machine stops pretty fast actually below about 400 RPM
[02:46:42] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: cute machine
[02:46:43] <zeeshan> :-)
[02:46:55] <Tom_itx> it's not gonna go anywhere... it follows the spindle
[02:46:57] <zeeshan> you big boys and your braking resistors
[02:46:59] <zeeshan> im just a little guy
[02:47:02] <zeeshan> :-I(
[02:47:06] <Tom_itx> i don't have a brake on it
[02:47:08] <PetefromTn_> mine's homemade...
[02:47:14] <Tom_itx> just not much mass
[02:47:30] <Tom_itx> the relays could be stopping it some i suppose
[02:47:43] <PetefromTn_> anyways I found that I had a bunch more control when the heat was not getting away with things that way
[02:47:56] <zeeshan> so you removed heat
[02:47:57] <zeeshan> and it helped
[02:47:58] <PetefromTn_> I could put the coins where I want them instead of where they want to go
[02:48:03] <zeeshan> and then you pressed full throttle
[02:48:07] <zeeshan> and did the next coin
[02:48:11] <PetefromTn_> no well just pulsing with the foot pedal
[02:48:11] <zeeshan> and repeated?
[02:48:31] <PetefromTn_> yeah press the pedal, heat a puddle, let off, dab, repeat
[02:48:36] <zeeshan> yes
[02:48:38] <zeeshan> sweet
[02:48:46] <PetefromTn_> looks a lot better
[02:48:49] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_ is going to start PeteToxicFab
[02:48:54] <PetefromTn_> honestly I know that is kind of cheating
[02:49:01] <zeeshan> why
[02:49:03] <zeeshan> its correct way to welding
[02:49:10] <zeeshan> youre only putting the heat it needs
[02:49:16] <PetefromTn_> well that is what all the pros say when you talk about pulsing like that.
[02:49:25] <zeeshan> lol
[02:49:32] <PetefromTn_> I dunno if they do that or not..
[02:49:37] <zeeshan> they are referring to the pulsing automatic control
[02:49:38] <zeeshan> that i use
[02:49:39] <PetefromTn_> honestly watching videos they don't
[02:49:46] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah
[02:49:51] <PetefromTn_> didn't know htat
[02:49:52] <zeeshan> press the throttle and go!
[02:49:52] <PetefromTn_> that
[02:49:53] <zeeshan> :P
[02:50:05] <PetefromTn_> I know you can buy pulsing systems
[02:50:26] <zeeshan> i think the manual pulsing is the best
[02:50:29] <zeeshan> because you have 100% control
[02:50:30] <PetefromTn_> my machine is old but it works so damn good and has tons of power so I am apprehensive to get something newer
[02:50:41] <zeeshan> which weld do you have?
[02:50:43] <zeeshan> *er
[02:51:01] <PetefromTn_> it's an L-tec commercial. Made by Esab before they became esab
[02:51:08] <PetefromTn_> it's pretty old
[02:51:14] <PetefromTn_> square wave machine
[02:51:25] <PetefromTn_> it does have pre and post flow adjustments
[02:51:32] <PetefromTn_> AC/DC/DC-
[02:51:35] <Tom_itx> miller are good i think
[02:51:48] <PetefromTn_> what kind do you have?
[02:51:58] <Tom_itx> who?
[02:52:03] <zeeshan> lincoln precision 225
[02:52:03] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan
[02:52:19] <zeeshan> its nothing fancy
[02:52:21] <zeeshan> high frequency start
[02:52:22] <zeeshan> pulsing
[02:52:26] <zeeshan> ac dc dc-
[02:52:35] <zeeshan> its not like the fancy ones you can buy now
[02:52:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah mine has HF start too
[02:52:47] <zeeshan> oh and ac balance
[02:52:50] <zeeshan> but i think that is standard in most
[02:52:54] <PetefromTn_> they make some kick ass inverters now
[02:53:07] <zeeshan> my problem with new inverters is
[02:53:11] <zeeshan> theyh're all fancy electronics
[02:53:13] <zeeshan> very expensive to fix
[02:53:17] <zeeshan> if you open up your welder
[02:53:20] <PetefromTn_> some are quite potent too
[02:53:22] <zeeshan> its big components you can replace
[02:53:35] <zeeshan> itll still be around in 100 year
[02:53:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah but it is getting older
[02:53:38] <zeeshan> while the inverter isnt :P
[02:53:43] <PetefromTn_> probably LOL
[02:53:45] <PetefromTn_> it's a beast
[02:53:52] <PetefromTn_> weighs a metric ton LOL
[02:53:55] <zeeshan> hahah
[02:54:06] <PetefromTn_> its nice that it has it's own wheels and bottle stand etc.
[02:54:12] <zeeshan> btw you were right about being able to weld 1/2" aluminum plate with this welder
[02:54:16] <zeeshan> you know what iwas doing wrong?
[02:54:19] <PetefromTn_> the top of the case is really big so I store all my junk on it
[02:54:22] <zeeshan> i was trying to weld flat plate
[02:54:24] <zeeshan> no v notch
[02:54:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah I was not lying I have never done it but my friend does it a lot... he has a similar machine to yours
[02:55:15] <PetefromTn_> that's like a $4k machine as I recall
[02:55:26] <zeeshan> i think i paid 3500 canadian
[02:55:29] <zeeshan> with all the acessory
[02:55:30] <zeeshan> except cart
[02:55:38] <zeeshan> long time ago though
[02:55:47] <zeeshan> it was my first real tool i bought!
[02:55:48] <PetefromTn_> oh wait Im wrong
[02:55:54] <PetefromTn_> its like $2500.00 now
[02:56:01] <zeeshan> yea for power supply
[02:56:02] <zeeshan> but the foot pedal
[02:56:05] <zeeshan> and all that crap
[02:56:10] <zeeshan> adds up to 3000 something
[02:56:11] <PetefromTn_> the one with the pulsing and more features/digital display is $4k
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[02:56:57] <zeeshan> http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-ca/Equipment/Pages/product.aspx?product=K2535-1(LincolnElectric)
[02:57:04] <zeeshan> 2900
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[02:57:14] <zeeshan> so youre right
[02:57:17] <zeeshan> 2500 from a dealer prolly
[02:57:19] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LINCOLN-PRECISION-TIG-275-TIG-WELDER-K2618-1-/360447692383
[02:57:31] <zeeshan> that is a beast
[02:57:42] <PetefromTn_> yes it is...
[02:57:48] <PetefromTn_> crazy expensive too
[02:58:11] <zeeshan> 340 amps
[02:58:11] <zeeshan> lol
[02:58:13] <PetefromTn_> what's funny is if you have the skills like some of these guys that thing would pay for itself in a month LOL
[02:58:23] <zeeshan> yea!
[02:58:26] <PetefromTn_> mine is like 350 amps I think....
[02:58:35] <zeeshan> mine took 6 months to pay off back 10 years ago
[02:58:37] <PetefromTn_> but I can't use all of it
[02:58:40] <zeeshan> but i was a baby then
[02:58:40] <zeeshan> :)
[02:58:46] <zeeshan> why not
[02:59:08] <PetefromTn_> well actually I have not tried to run it off the 60 amp circuit I put in for the machine.
[02:59:12] <PetefromTn_> might be able to now
[02:59:38] <PetefromTn_> I popped the 50 amp one awhile back screwing around
[02:59:42] <zeeshan> hehe
[02:59:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah it's a beast
[03:00:04] <zeeshan> you should tell the guys
[03:00:09] <zeeshan> what is this girly sch40 shit youre giving me
[03:00:11] <zeeshan> give me sch180
[03:00:16] <zeeshan> i only deal with real men
[03:00:27] <PetefromTn_> never worry about not having enough power with it but as I understand some of the kickass inverter machines can do that
[03:00:42] <PetefromTn_> I don't understand how they can but they can apparently
[03:00:51] <zeeshan> i used both a transformer and inverter @ magnus
[03:01:03] <PetefromTn_> Oh so you worked there?
[03:01:09] <zeeshan> yes for a summer
[03:01:12] <PetefromTn_> NICE
[03:01:23] <zeeshan> the main difference i noticed between the two was this:
[03:01:23] <PetefromTn_> I would love to work for a high end shop JUST to learn some more goodies
[03:01:31] <zeeshan> 1 is obvious.. inverter is lighter so we used it for roll cages
[03:01:47] <zeeshan> 2. the inverter with adjustable frequency control
[03:01:54] <zeeshan> you can make your aluminum bead super narrow
[03:02:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah the cleaning action is TIGHT
[03:02:42] <zeeshan> its literally half the size of my welds
[03:02:44] <PetefromTn_> well I am gonna go practice some more..
[03:02:49] <zeeshan> haha its late dude!
[03:02:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[03:02:53] <zeeshan> youre hooked
[03:02:55] <PetefromTn_> Oh I am a night own
[03:02:57] <PetefromTn_> owl
[03:03:09] <PetefromTn_> I often work out there until like 2-3AM
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[03:03:23] <PetefromTn_> its easier when the kids are asleep and wife is gone to bed
[03:03:27] <zeeshan> take some more pics
[03:03:28] <PetefromTn_> nobody bothers me
[03:03:30] <zeeshan> when you get a chance
[03:03:32] <PetefromTn_> I will
[03:03:34] <zeeshan> youre pretty good!
[03:03:50] <PetefromTn_> actually that's why I want to go back out there to test out this pulsing some more it was looking real good
[03:03:55] <PetefromTn_> naah
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[03:04:17] <PetefromTn_> I am okay for a self taught bonehead working in a garage but that is about it..
[03:04:27] <zeeshan> :)
[03:04:40] <PetefromTn_> I'd sure like to get a lot better and hopefully working with these guys that will be possible
[03:05:02] <PetefromTn_> If you can lay it down pretty and tight you can make some nice coin
[03:05:03] <zeeshan> are you going to work there
[03:05:06] <zeeshan> or work from home
[03:05:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah both actually
[03:05:29] <PetefromTn_> at least I am if I can make these things look pretty
[03:05:56] <PetefromTn_> if I can't I doubt they will put up with my ass for too long. I will still be doing CNC machining for them either way
[03:06:13] <PetefromTn_> hopefully my new Carbide drills and Carbide Tipped reamers will arrive soon
[03:06:15] <zeeshan> good luck!!
[03:06:20] <PetefromTn_> I gotta machine that cast iron
[03:06:25] <PetefromTn_> thanks
[03:06:32] <PetefromTn_> appreciate your input on the Tig welding
[03:06:36] <zeeshan> npp
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[03:14:32] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan ...............
http://i.imgur.com/ySbuNtd.jpg
[03:14:56] <zeeshan> too fast still
[03:14:57] <zeeshan> =/
[03:15:00] <zeeshan> that grey
[03:15:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[03:15:10] <zeeshan> im gonna tig weld some!
[03:15:15] <zeeshan> youre forcing me to
[03:15:15] <zeeshan> haha
[03:15:24] <PetefromTn_> the grey only happens when I stop it seems
[03:15:34] <zeeshan> well there is a hint of grey
[03:15:36] <zeeshan> in your other weld too
[03:15:57] <PetefromTn_> I like that pulsing tho it is MUCH more controllable
[03:16:09] <PetefromTn_> I just need to determine how to get the grey out lOL
[03:16:15] <zeeshan> let me see what mine look like
[03:16:21] <zeeshan> honestly ive been doing a lot of aluminum and steel
[03:16:26] <zeeshan> i havent touched stainless in 5 months
[03:16:28] <PetefromTn_> do you have some schedule 40
[03:16:29] <zeeshan> i wanna trey
[03:16:30] <zeeshan> yes
[03:16:34] <PetefromTn_> awesome
[03:16:35] <zeeshan> i got some straight pipe
[03:16:37] <zeeshan> gonna cut it up
[03:16:57] <PetefromTn_> this is without back purge just screwing around
[03:17:10] <PetefromTn_> I wish I had some straight pipe to practice with actually
[03:17:18] <PetefromTn_> all they gave me is elbows :D
[03:18:16] <PetefromTn_> well actually there is a little bit of straight
[03:18:27] <PetefromTn_> but not more than about 6 inches
[03:19:21] <Jymmm> pipe? you smoking the ganja now PetefromTn_?
[03:19:32] <PetefromTn_> does it look like I was foot pulsing it to you?
[03:19:53] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm LOL no man... just trying to get some tig practice in so I can weld these turbo headers
[03:20:12] <Jymmm> oh, exhaust pipe, gotcha =)
[03:20:26] <Jymmm> I was thining black pipe actually
[03:20:42] <PetefromTn_> that guy toxicfab makes some amazing stuff that is NOT automotive related with his Tig welder....
[03:20:52] <PetefromTn_> no this is stainless
[03:21:19] <Jymmm> BTW, did you know that SCH80 direct nurrial high pressure propane pipe is about $25/foot
[03:21:40] <Jymmm> burrial*
[03:21:49] <Jymmm> bbl
[03:22:18] <PetefromTn_> no
[03:23:20] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/y068FpO.jpg amazing..
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[03:29:51] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/hgIvV4V.jpg Freaking PERFECT..... this looks like the same schedule40 stainless fittings I am using here so that is what is POSSIBLE LOL
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[03:31:07] <rootB> do you guys know where i can buy delrin wheels for a cheap price?
[03:31:50] <CaptHindsight> rootB: what dimensions?
[03:31:56] <rootB> enough for makerslide
[03:32:18] <rootB> I have a shapeoko CNC router I'm trying to fix, and some of the wheels it has are kinda worn out
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[03:33:08] <CaptHindsight> http://openbuildspartstore.com/delrin-v-wheel/ these?
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[03:33:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.robotshop.com/en/delrin-dual-v-wheel-kit.html
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[03:35:48] <rootB> 4 dollars? fuck
[03:35:59] <rootB> same price than on inventables
[03:36:31] <Tom_itx> get just the outer from the other link for 2 bux
[03:37:22] <rootB> >This includes the OpenBuilds V Wheel Only.
[03:38:07] <Tom_itx> is the wheel or the bearing worn out?
[03:38:12] <rootB> wheel
[03:38:17] <Tom_itx> press the old bearing in the new wheel
[03:39:08] <rootB> Alright, now another question. what are the tools that I need to buy to square my machine properly
[03:39:33] <rootB> and what switches do you recommend me for the homing, as well as GT2 belts should i buy those?
[03:47:54] <tiwake> is it a mill?
[03:48:07] <rootB> Yes
[03:48:07] <tiwake> ah yeah
[03:48:10] <tiwake> router
[03:48:44] <tiwake> just mill the bed of the mill
[03:48:57] <tiwake> that will make it square with the head, if you cant adjust the head/spindle its self
[03:49:02] <rootB> I already got the bed, it's wood
[03:49:29] <rootB> I'm more worried on calibration tools-techniques and what home sensors to use, contact-optic-magnetic
[03:49:48] <tiwake> for touching off tools?
[03:50:22] <rootB> yeah, spindle and such
[03:50:31] <rootB> I could take a picture of my mill so you have a better idea
[03:52:39] <rootB> http://a.uguu.se/qpmzpx_12065.jpeg
[03:53:37] <rootB> http://a.uguu.se/qsexqq_12066.jpeg
[03:54:56] <tiwake> oh its a sideways mounted thing
[03:55:04] <tiwake> enh, does not really change anything
[03:55:26] <tiwake> erm
[03:55:27] <tiwake> no
[03:55:53] <tiwake> w/e... I'm going home.. been a 12 hour work day today
[03:55:54] <tiwake> heh
[03:55:59] <rootB> oh well
[03:56:56] <tiwake> just get some of this
http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/00019034?orderedAs=MA5244520&pxno=33713278&refnum=33713278&rItem=00019034
[03:58:16] <tiwake> for touching off tools
[03:58:31] <tiwake> donno what kind of motor you want
[03:59:07] <tiwake> anyway, going home
[04:10:42] <zeeshan> pete there?
[04:10:57] <zeeshan> those are backpurged welds!!
[04:11:19] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/hPsxjJR.jpg
[04:11:19] <zeeshan> prep
[04:11:24] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/BiDAxMN.jpg
[04:11:27] <zeeshan> no back purging
[04:11:38] <zeeshan> mine still has gray
[04:11:42] <zeeshan> moving too fast
[04:11:46] <zeeshan> or too slow :/
[04:12:03] <zeeshan> thin wall i still can weld decent cause i do it a lot
[04:12:04] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/PvsGt6s.jpg
[04:12:17] <zeeshan> gets the job done :P
[04:14:44] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/kbYvwwd.jpg
[04:14:48] <zeeshan> aluminum is easier :P
[04:15:10] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/r1w0ved.jpg
[04:16:15] <PetefromTn_> Nice man..
[04:16:21] <PetefromTn_> just tried something new
[04:16:23] <PetefromTn_> hang on
[04:17:36] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/rgo3itH.jpg
[04:17:44] <zeeshan> you got it! :P
[04:17:49] <zeeshan> what settings?
[04:17:54] <zeeshan> looks like no backpurge
[04:18:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah no backpurge
[04:18:09] <PetefromTn_> just trying to get my bead technique down
[04:18:24] <PetefromTn_> that was 3/32 ER308L
[04:18:32] <PetefromTn_> machine set to about 125 amps
[04:18:56] <PetefromTn_> but this time I let into the pedal a bit harder and dabbed a touch more rod with each one
[04:18:56] <furrywolf> number_honda_eu2000i_generators--; number_very_heavy_knee_mills++;
[04:19:23] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5163013489.html is now mine
[04:19:24] <PetefromTn_> you think it looks okay then? Still a TOUCH grey
[04:19:38] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf No way you bought it man!
[04:19:39] <zeeshan> i really think its only grey
[04:19:40] <zeeshan> cause no backpurge
[04:19:49] <zeeshan> nice furrywolf!!
[04:19:54] <PetefromTn_> congrats man
[04:19:56] <PetefromTn_> good luck with it
[04:20:10] <furrywolf> it's bigger than it looks in those pictures! it's 6.5ft tall, and he had to lug the engine in the loader parked behind it to get it to move.
[04:20:27] <PetefromTn_> awesome... hows the ways look?
[04:20:31] <furrywolf> great
[04:20:54] <PetefromTn_> nice I think that will be some kinda sweet machine once you get it all cleaned up and sorted
[04:20:58] <furrywolf> gibs need a little adjusting, but nothing bad. y has annoyingly much backlash, but I assume that's adjustable too.
[04:21:12] <furrywolf> power feed does NOT work. he identified it as an open solenoid coil. it looks a little toasty too. will probably need to rewind it.
[04:21:15] <zeeshan> worse comes to worse
[04:21:15] <PetefromTn_> probably
[04:21:17] <zeeshan> you need a new bras nut
[04:21:23] <zeeshan> those arent expensive
[04:21:24] <zeeshan> and easy to replace
[04:21:45] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I think If I can make welds like that on the majority of the tubes I will be okay no?
[04:21:51] <zeeshan> hell yes
[04:21:55] <zeeshan> im telling you dude
[04:21:57] <zeeshan> ive done it before
[04:22:02] <zeeshan> even the hottest and slowest weld
[04:22:05] <zeeshan> with back purging is shiny
[04:22:06] <furrywolf> came with about ten toolholders with random tools in them, a cheapo chinese endmill set, and a box of chinese carbide lathe cutters. which is odd, because I didn't see a flycutter head with the tools. but they'll fit my shoptask nicely.
[04:22:23] <zeeshan> but your weld looks strong enough
[04:22:24] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf wow score...
[04:22:37] <furrywolf> he had it wired up and demonstrated it working. the spindle is SMOOTH. soooo smooth.
[04:22:46] <zeeshan> furrywolf: its at your place niw?
[04:22:47] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan I have not cut longitudinally but it is filleted pretty good and it wets down into there nice
[04:22:47] <zeeshan> now?
[04:23:28] <furrywolf> no, dropped it off at a relative's. he had a working truck, a trailer, heavy unloading equipment, and 5hp of electricity, none of which I have. heh.
[04:23:29] <PetefromTn_> is that a lathe chuck in the spindle? it looks pretty huge
[04:23:56] <furrywolf> yes, it's a large lathe chuck. he said he needed to do some turning and didn't have a lathe, so he got a chuck, stuck it on the spindle, stuck a toolholder on the bed.... lol
[04:23:57] <zeeshan> haha
[04:23:59] <zeeshan> wtf i just noticed that
[04:24:04] <furrywolf> duh, that explains why it came with a box of lathe cutters.
[04:24:06] <furrywolf> *kicks self*
[04:24:37] <PetefromTn_> score again... that lathe chuck is probably worth a couple bucks.. the fact that the spindle is smooth is a BIG deal
[04:24:46] <furrywolf> traded one of my eu2000i generators for it.
[04:24:48] <furrywolf> the chuck is chinese
[04:25:13] <PetefromTn_> Oh even better you probably just had a bit of work in it and not much cash I assume...
[04:25:21] <furrywolf> about $50 and 3 hours...
[04:25:32] <PetefromTn_> excellent
[04:25:45] <PetefromTn_> I thought that would be a good buy for you...
[04:25:55] <furrywolf> I had to buy my relative and his buddies $50 in sandwiches and gas for helping move it, but oh well. lol
[04:26:20] <furrywolf> I just glanced at the toolholders, looked like cat40 tapers, I think... never seen one in person before.
[04:26:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah but its either that or bust your own ass trying to move it yourself hehe
[04:26:46] <PetefromTn_> excellent Cat40 is nice and surprisingly reasonably priced
[04:27:12] <furrywolf> it's an impressively sturdy machine. I think the X and Y leadscrews are 1.5" diameter...
[04:27:15] <PetefromTn_> brb gotta practice some more
[04:27:24] <zeeshan> gimeeeeeeeeeeeee the cat40
[04:27:25] <furrywolf> everything is SOLID.
[04:27:25] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[04:27:26] <zeeshan> before you go
[04:27:30] <zeeshan> did you try backpurging yet
[04:27:53] <furrywolf> and it weighs two tons. literally. plus a bit more since it has more crap bolted to it...
[04:28:01] <zeeshan> furrywolf: welcome to big boy club
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[04:28:38] <furrywolf> http://www.neme-s.org/Shaper%20Books/Brown%20and%20Sharpe%20No%202%20Mill%20Manual/B&S%20No%202%20Mill%20Manual.pdf need to read that closely. heh.
[04:29:36] <furrywolf> the only major(ish) problem is the quill lock is irreperably broken. hopefully the quill is tight enough you don't really need to lock it.
[04:30:17] <furrywolf> someone twisted a shaft clean off. must have been a big person.
[04:30:36] <furrywolf> and it's deep enough burried inside the head that I have no intention of fixing it unless absolutely necessary.
[04:31:03] <furrywolf> it's been well maintained. someone carefully welded up every "whoops" in the table and had it ground smooth again at some point.
[04:31:32] <zeeshan> you really need a quill lockl
[04:31:36] <zeeshan> or itll pull down during milling
[04:31:37] <furrywolf> everything is well-oiled, and the two working sightglasses show oil reasonably near the proper levels. the third is clouded.
[04:31:47] <zeeshan> why is it irrepairable?
[04:32:26] <furrywolf> it's a custom shaft that's part of something that's burried deep in the head. I'd need to strip the entire head to get to the other end of it, then fabricate the missing lever and parts.
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[04:33:21] <furrywolf> on page 6 of the PDF file I pasted above, lever #6 is gone, and the shaft it's on twisted off.
[04:33:54] <zeeshan> drill into the shaft
[04:34:00] <zeeshan> and bolt on a new handle
[04:34:21] <zeeshan> and dont ever use it
[04:34:21] <zeeshan> :P
[04:36:33] <furrywolf> it's got of a bunch of little problems... one of the handwheel clutches has a broken spring or something and doesn't stay engaged, the master on/off switch handle is stripped (but isn't needed since the box for the phase converter has a nice switch), the cord to the worklight is damaged, etc... but the solenoid coil and the lock lever seem to be the only real issues.
[04:37:21] <furrywolf> I'm saying solenoid coil because that's what he identified as the problem - I haven't tested it myself.
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[04:37:43] <furrywolf> the spindle jog button is stuck, so you have to nudge the spindle by hand occasionally when shifting speeds.
[04:39:18] <zeeshan> :P
[04:39:20] <furrywolf> 50-1800 rpm is a decently wide range, in 18 steps.
[04:40:27] <furrywolf> I suspect it has quite a bit of torque at 50rpm. :)
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[04:42:15] <just_pink> hi
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[04:43:08] <furrywolf> just_pink: I just bought a 4000lb mill. want to cnc it for me? :P
[04:43:08] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i found a good article that was in my bookmark
[04:43:11] <zeeshan> i think its worth reading it
[04:43:42] <just_pink> I got a flat bar of steel from Lowes.
[04:44:25] <skau> hi all, new to linux cnc, is this channel a suitable place to ask questions about things like creating custom UI buttons, etc?
[04:44:34] <furrywolf> yes!
[04:44:45] <furrywolf> however, the people who can help you are likely asleep this time of day.
[04:44:59] <skau> as an Australian, I am used to that
[04:45:07] <just_pink> but I can't find any properties about is, what kind of steel is that? it just say "Weldable Steel"
[04:45:13] <just_pink> furrywolf: NICE!
[04:45:20] <just_pink> http://www.lowes.com/pd_69738-37672-11687_1z0xzpaZ1z13sim__?productId=3059235&pl=1
[04:45:44] <just_pink> I want to machine is with HSS tools.
[04:45:48] <just_pink> it*
[04:47:30] <skau> i want to add some buttons to perform/execute basic MDI commands, but instead of just defining the command in the INI file, I want to be able to enter parameters (using a text box or even a slider), e.g. instead of having a G0 X0 Y0 Z0 command, I want to have a G0 X[param] Y[param2] ... etc., so that I can have more usable buttons and not have to jog my machine around everywhere
[04:47:51] <furrywolf> the flood coolant system works great, lots of flow.
[04:47:53] <just_pink> archivist: ? XXCoder? zeeshan? PetefromTn_ ?
[04:48:07] <skau> is there a way that can be done with (relative) ease? i.e. through configuration
[04:48:47] <zeeshan> just_pink: are you a vampire
[04:48:51] <zeeshan> why are you always active at night
[04:49:07] <zeeshan> that is just mild steel
[04:49:11] <zeeshan> prolly 1018 hot roll
[04:49:29] <rootB> So linuxcnc, any site where i can buy CNC calibration tools?
[04:49:35] <zeeshan> use 75SFM for surface speed
[04:49:35] <rootB> machinist squares dial guage and such?
[04:49:38] <zeeshan> if using high speed steel
[04:49:50] <zeeshan> rootB: ebay.com
[04:50:47] <just_pink> zeeshan: yes, I'm a vampire :)
[04:51:11] <rootB> come on zeeshan, ebay has a lot of chinese shit
[04:51:27] <zeeshan> it also has a lot of good tools too :P
[04:51:28] <just_pink> I'm going too use 7/16 4 flute hss flat end mill
[04:51:38] <zeeshan> just_pink: i told you the formulas the other day
[04:51:40] <zeeshan> you tell us the rpm
[04:51:41] <zeeshan> and feedrate
[04:51:47] <zeeshan> otherwise youll never learn!!!!!!! :P
[04:52:01] <zeeshan> at our school student machine shop
[04:52:12] <PetefromTn_> back again ;)
[04:52:12] <zeeshan> you can get banned on your 3rd time caught not knowing the formula
[04:52:23] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: backpurge it!!
[04:52:25] <just_pink> hehe..
[04:52:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah I need to
[04:52:34] <rootB> alright zeeshan, do you know any good brands to buy
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[04:52:42] <zeeshan> just_pink: i will tell you 1 name
[04:52:49] <PetefromTn_> Like I said just screwing around with bead techniques
[04:52:50] <zeeshan> rootB: no, you will increase the prices on ebay
[04:52:53] <zeeshan> and remove stock for me
[04:52:54] <zeeshan> haha
[04:52:58] <zeeshan> name = time
[04:53:02] <rootB> ok
[04:53:07] <zeeshan> just_pink: RPM = 4*SFM/diameter
[04:53:24] <PetefromTn_> what article?
[04:53:28] <just_pink> the diameter it's in inch or mm?
[04:53:32] <zeeshan> feedrate (inches per minute) = # of teeth * RPM * inches/tooth
[04:53:34] <zeeshan> all in inches
[04:53:42] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
http://www.burnsstainless.com/weldingarticle5.aspx
[04:53:46] <zeeshan> they talk about for thinner tubing
[04:53:51] <zeeshan> fusion welding is the only way to go!
[04:54:00] <just_pink> but i can take 1mm and i can take 10mm cut..
[04:54:07] <zeeshan> burnstainless is a huge huge huge huge make of manifolds
[04:54:10] <zeeshan> they do a lot of f1 and nascar stuff
[04:54:16] <furrywolf> anyone have an old brown&sharpe vise they want to sell, so I can have the matching one for my new machine?
[04:54:30] <zeeshan> just_pink: these formulas have nothing to do with the depth of cut
[04:54:51] <just_pink> how I'm calculate the depth of cut?
[04:55:01] <zeeshan> thats harder
[04:55:05] <zeeshan> that depends on your machine rigidity
[04:55:15] <zeeshan> but if you assume your machine is rigid , you base it off how much the tool deflects
[04:55:28] <just_pink> rigidity?? no rigidity here... this is G0704..
[04:55:38] <zeeshan> just_pink: take it step by step
[04:55:40] <zeeshan> first find rpm.
[04:55:49] <zeeshan> if the rpm exceeds your machine's possible rpm
[04:55:59] <zeeshan> then you know your rpm has to be set to maximum of your machine's rpm.
[04:56:03] <zeeshan> then you calculate feed rate
[04:56:24] <zeeshan> after you know these 2 parameters, you can play around with depth of cut
[04:56:45] <just_pink> 4*75/0.4375
[04:56:46] <zeeshan> on your machine you probably do not want to exceed .1875" deep for aluminum
[04:56:53] <zeeshan> and 0.080 for steel
[04:57:12] <zeeshan> so 685 RPM
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[04:57:31] <zeeshan> rootB: i was just kidding you know
[04:57:40] <furrywolf> just_pink: if you want a machine with rigidity, get one like mine. I just bought
http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5163013489.html . it's 6.5ft tall, weighs 4000lbs, and does not flex at all in any direction. :)
[04:58:11] <zeeshan> starrett, mitutoyo, brown & sharpe are the common ones
[04:58:19] <just_pink> zeeshan: if I'm work with higher rpm it can make a problem?
[04:58:24] <furrywolf> tbe table is over 4ft wide. I could set my entire shoptask machine on it.
[04:58:29] <zeeshan> just_pink: yes, it will burn your hss tool faster
[04:58:44] <rootB> well linuxCNC
[04:58:50] <just_pink> zeeshan: I dont have coolant :(
[04:58:51] <rootB> i'll try rebuilding my machine and report back as i advance
[04:58:58] <just_pink> just cutting oil.
[04:58:59] <zeeshan> just_pink: thats why i said 75 sfm
[04:59:00] <PetefromTn_> We use a flow-rate of approximately 5 SCFH for the shield and 10 SCFH for the purge. ??
[04:59:04] <furrywolf> bad news though... the guy I got it from had a couple cnc machines... running mach3. :(
[04:59:06] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: yea!!!
[04:59:08] <zeeshan> isn't that CRAZY?
[04:59:14] <zeeshan> im using 3 times those values
[04:59:15] <zeeshan> lol
[04:59:18] <PetefromTn_> I know I have five times that much
[04:59:32] <zeeshan> the gas lense is really that efficient i guess
[05:00:17] <furrywolf> I tried extolling the virtues of linuxcnc to him, but he likes windows, likes mach3, and didn't see any reason to change.
[05:00:55] <just_pink> I need some saw
[05:01:04] <rootB> is it expensive to set up a linuxCNC machine?
[05:01:11] <zeeshan> about 2000$
[05:01:16] <rootB> fuck
[05:01:20] <zeeshan> im kidding
[05:01:23] <zeeshan> its free
[05:01:26] <zeeshan> if you can run mach 3
[05:01:28] <zeeshan> you can run linuxcnc
[05:01:33] <rootB> i mean hardware wise
[05:01:33] <zeeshan> without any additional changes to hardware
[05:01:35] <just_pink> I need to make 30 parts with the same shape
[05:01:52] <zeeshan> just_pink: i usually call superman
[05:01:55] <zeeshan> he cuts them with his eyes
[05:02:46] <just_pink> hehe lol
[05:03:13] <Wolf_> rootB: are you asking whats needed, like I have a milling machine, what else do I need?
[05:04:31] <PetefromTn_> I wonder how it would affect it if I cranked down the gas... sure would be nice to get more mileage out of the bottle.
[05:04:57] <PetefromTn_> surprised they said the shield is 5 and the backpurge is 10.... I thought it would be the other way around.
[05:05:06] <zeeshan> i usually use 18cfh
[05:05:09] <zeeshan> for 120 amp
[05:05:10] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan what do you use for your back purge
[05:05:16] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/9uPDHsn.png
[05:05:19] <zeeshan> 30 scfh to fil lthe pipe
[05:05:28] <just_pink> this is the part
[05:05:28] <zeeshan> then around 10 cfh after it's filled
[05:05:36] <PetefromTn_> no I mean what is your hardware
[05:05:39] <zeeshan> oh
[05:05:41] <zeeshan> i got a Y
[05:05:42] <zeeshan> and 2 regs
[05:05:46] <zeeshan> im cheap
[05:05:52] <PetefromTn_> pics?
[05:05:53] <zeeshan> the dual flow regulators are like 250
[05:05:54] <zeeshan> F that shit
[05:06:01] <zeeshan> sec brb
[05:06:36] <just_pink> what is the easyest way to make it?
[05:06:59] <PetefromTn_> just_pink what are the dimensions?
[05:07:19] <just_pink> BRB
[05:07:22] <just_pink> cut
[05:08:52] <furrywolf> actually, the broken clamp shaft apparantly has threads on the other end, and with a stud puller, could be removed and a new one fabricated.
[05:09:20] <furrywolf> it looked like one piece when I inspected it, but I guess there's hidden threads.
[05:10:00] <just_pink> back
[05:11:07] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/cIGXVYv.jpg
[05:11:14] <zeeshan> hopefully this pic makes sene
[05:11:26] <zeeshan> theres a T where one end goes to the tank
[05:11:31] <zeeshan> and the 2 ends go to each regulator
[05:11:56] <PetefromTn_> nice did you make that adapter?
[05:11:59] <zeeshan> no
[05:12:00] <zeeshan> bought it
[05:12:05] <zeeshan> i totallyt forgot where i got it
[05:12:09] <zeeshan> but it took a long ass time to find it locally
[05:12:33] <zeeshan> http://weldingdirect.com/ccoteecgfori.html
[05:12:35] <zeeshan> i think this is it
[05:12:38] <zeeshan> but you can get it cheaper
[05:12:51] <just_pink> PetefromTn_: 20mm hight, 10-32 tapped hole, 14mm width
[05:13:04] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[05:13:15] <zeeshan> http://www.brwtechnologies.com/Western_Enterprises_T_92_CGA_580_Tee_Coupler_p/c-2580.htm
[05:13:18] <zeeshan> here you go
[05:13:37] <PetefromTn_> Ooh thats a better price
[05:13:37] <zeeshan> http://www.usaweld.com/Dual-Flowmeter-with-Backpurge-p/dualflowmeter.htm
[05:13:38] <zeeshan> wow
[05:13:39] <zeeshan> wtf
[05:13:45] <zeeshan> dual flow meters are CHEAP
[05:13:58] <zeeshan> i could not find one back in the day for less than $250!!
[05:14:19] <PetefromTn_> jeez thats cheap
[05:14:40] <Wolf_> oo *bookmarks that
[05:15:20] <zeeshan> the only thing is who the hell is HTP
[05:15:32] <zeeshan> are they chinese
[05:15:49] <zeeshan> nm american
[05:15:49] <zeeshan> good
[05:15:59] <PetefromTn_> I might need to buy that
[05:16:25] <zeeshan> technique looks perfect to me
[05:16:29] <zeeshan> just needs some argon love
[05:16:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah my ghetto backpurge has got to go... I need that thing
[05:17:05] <PetefromTn_> just spent a bunch of money today tho
[05:17:29] <PetefromTn_> paid another hundred bucks on my 12 gauge tactical shotgun layaway too
[05:17:35] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/aUTnlwt.png
[05:17:38] <PetefromTn_> and the bottle
[05:17:41] <PetefromTn_> and and and
[05:17:56] <zeeshan> just_pink: you cheapie, buy those things! :P
[05:18:05] <PetefromTn_> what is it?
[05:18:15] <zeeshan> looks like those aluminum extrusion
[05:18:18] <zeeshan> nut things
[05:18:47] <furrywolf> hrmmph! googling suggests that if you convert the machine to run off 220, the clutch solenoid randomly burns out. I guess when I rewind it, I'll need to make some adjustments to the gauge or number of turns.
[05:18:49] <zeeshan> i pretty much spent all day on the computer today
[05:18:51] <furrywolf> but first, bbl, sleep.
[05:18:54] <zeeshan> and i have no frigging model to show for it
[05:18:56] <zeeshan> sad.
[05:18:57] <zeeshan> :(
[05:19:19] <just_pink> zeeshan: I cant fine inserts like that that will fill the whole slot in the extrudrion, and i want it from steel not zinc.
[05:19:47] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HTP-Argon-CO2-Mig-Tig-Flow-meter-Regulator-Welding-Weld-/140514184508?hash=item20b74c4d3c
[05:20:21] <zeeshan> how much does it show for shipping for you?
[05:20:27] <zeeshan> i see $52..
[05:20:31] <PetefromTn_> free
[05:20:33] <zeeshan> haha
[05:20:35] <zeeshan> bastards :-
[05:20:47] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[05:20:57] <PetefromTn_> ya know that Toxicfab guru
[05:21:02] <furrywolf> CO2 regulators with flow meters are $5 here at yard sales, constantly.
[05:21:05] <PetefromTn_> he is up your way in Canukland
[05:21:13] <zeeshan> furrywolf: a 4000 psi tank
[05:21:16] <zeeshan> isn't a place to put a used regulator
[05:21:21] <zeeshan> but suit yourself!! :P
[05:21:29] <Wolf_> doing cnc tig?
[05:21:29] <furrywolf> they're like new, usually only a few seasons old.
[05:22:39] <PetefromTn_> so looks like as nice as that dual setup is I can get that single flowmeter and that adapter you showed for a cheap price
[05:22:55] <furrywolf> see, certain plants grow better if you increase the concentration of CO2 in their atmosphere... so you buy a CO2 regulator with a flow meter and a solenoid valve, wire it to your environmental controller to turn the solenoid on during the "night" when the lights are off (more efficient use of CO2), and use the flow meter to precisely set the rate...
[05:23:37] <zeeshan> are these certain plants called POT plants?
[05:23:38] <zeeshan> :-)
[05:23:59] <furrywolf> yes. yes they are. :P
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[05:24:34] <furrywolf> and about one in five yard sales has grow equipment, so you see CO2 equipment too. :P
[05:24:45] <zeeshan> lol
[05:25:17] <furrywolf> for larger grows, CO2 burners are more popular... just natural gas/propane burners designed to burn very cleanly, producing CO2. because propane is cheaper than CO2...
[05:25:41] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan that tee you got does it float so you can balance the two meters or does it just screw in until it stops and then you deal with where they land?
[05:25:57] <zeeshan> it floats
[05:26:01] <zeeshan> its on a what do you call it..
[05:26:05] <zeeshan> flare
[05:26:08] <zeeshan> tube flare
[05:26:16] <PetefromTn_> OK
[05:26:32] <SEL> hello
[05:26:33] <PetefromTn_> http://www.brwtechnologies.com/Western_Enterprises_T_92_CGA_580_Tee_Coupler_p/c-2580.htm you think this one does?
[05:26:40] <zeeshan> yea
[05:26:45] <zeeshan> thats definitely a floating fitting
[05:28:14] <furrywolf> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f39/104955d1397615980-need-help-troubleshooting-feed-brown-sharpe-no-2-universal-20140415_191109_resized.jpg that's what the inside of the power feed speed select box lools like, apparantly.
[05:28:18] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Argon-Bottle-Adaptor-connect-2-regulators-to-1-bottle-Western-T-92-C-2580-/191547352277
[05:28:22] <zeeshan> here it is on ebay
[05:28:31] <zeeshan> what is shipping on that
[05:28:37] <PetefromTn_> that flowmeter is from USAwelding
[05:28:50] <PetefromTn_> I was hoping they had a tee as well so I could combine shipping
[05:29:04] <PetefromTn_> free
[05:29:15] <zeeshan> yayu
[05:29:16] <zeeshan> lol
[05:29:25] <zeeshan> i see 23
[05:29:27] <zeeshan> damn you america
[05:29:50] <SEL> if i set the max_velocity too high, the motor locks
[05:30:33] <furrywolf> bbl
[05:31:16] <furrywolf> SEL: it doesn't lock, it loses steps. if you need a higher max velocity, you need better motors, better drives, and/or a higher drive voltage.
[05:31:52] <furrywolf> you can often get a higher maximum velocity if you lower the maximum acceleration.
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[05:34:29] <PetefromTn_> jeez man they have so much crap on their online store I can't even find a tee from them
[05:35:13] <tjtr33> a bridgeport has a 'ram' a slide that moves the spindle position in and out ( in Y ) anyone know of other machines with such adjustment?
[05:35:21] <SEL> well yes, the drive voltage is 24V
[05:35:38] <PetefromTn_> tjtr33 lots of knee mills have that
[05:35:52] <tjtr33> yeah, but besides Bport and clones
[05:35:57] <tjtr33> thx tho
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[05:36:39] <tjtr33> i got a need to move head out of way for mounting fixtures, wondering how it was done
[05:36:47] <SEL> the motors are fine, and cheap controller board
[05:36:51] <furrywolf> mine is 54V and I just got parts to upgrade it to 66V. you need more volts. :P
[05:37:01] <furrywolf> note more volts may require better controllers.
[05:37:19] <PetefromTn_> can't you just lower the knee?
[05:37:56] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_, the worktable is fixed, a tank rises surrounding it and fills with a bath
[05:38:59] <tjtr33> PetefromTn_, was wondering if some design used 2 big rails or rods and locked into fwd/rear positions
[05:39:22] <PetefromTn_> OK I have no idea what you are doing sorry
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[05:39:38] <tjtr33> the bport was a big dovetail
[05:39:54] <SEL> obviously i can't feed more volts to this controller
[05:40:11] <furrywolf> bbl!
[05:42:23] <SEL> with the default value of max_velocity from stepconf the motor loses steps, i had to lower it
[05:43:06] <furrywolf> sounds like your machine is worse than default.
[05:43:16] <furrywolf> lower the acceleration and/or improve your machine.
[05:43:16] <furrywolf> bbl
[05:44:11] <SEL> thanks i still have to build it
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[05:45:55] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: not enough Z headroom to just move it up?
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[05:49:14] <tjtr33> no the guy want cheap single axis and has really bigass fixtures.
[05:49:39] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan have you heard of these tig fingers from Weldmonger?
[05:49:42] <tjtr33> aerospace stuff . to set it up he needs access all way around to check casting are on the tooling balls and ref faces
[05:50:21] <tjtr33> hiya CaptHindsight
[05:53:00] <CaptHindsight> dunno, too tired :)
[05:53:03] <tjtr33> i checked googles picture base. seems dovetail and round rams are all thats been dreamed up so far.
[05:53:08] <tjtr33> np thx
[05:53:37] <CaptHindsight> I must be missing something
[05:54:13] <CaptHindsight> bbl
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[06:02:43] <PetefromTn_> okay man I just picked up that argon gas flowmeter and the Tee fitting so I can setup this shite properly... gonna get to bed now. MORE practicing tomorrow LOL
[06:05:06] <PetefromTn_> also grabbed a couple of those Tig finger heat insulators hopefully that will make this thick stainless and aluminum welding a bit more pleasurable
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[06:07:58] <PetefromTn_> well Gn8
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[06:10:09] <tjtr33> gnite
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[06:36:26] <tjtr33> gnite all
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[06:51:49] <Deejay> moin
[07:09:03] <just_pink> Job completed!
[07:09:07] <just_pink> hi Deejay
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[07:23:31] <archivist_herron> a good read
http://www.geomet-cmm-software.com/tn-002.htm
[07:25:43] <just_pink> hi archivist_herron
[07:26:13] <archivist_herron> alllo allo
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[08:59:37] <just_pink> ?
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[09:10:52] <archivist_herron> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Allo_%27Allo!
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[09:15:18] <just_pink> archivist_herron:I've finished my first mild steel part
[09:17:13] <archivist_herron> was it right first time :)
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[09:19:51] <just_pink> archivist_herron: yeh, It's fit perfectly! so nice, I'm going to make 29 more of it..
[09:24:25] <archivist_herron> make an extra for spares / sample
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[09:31:14] <XXCoder> hey just_pink
[09:31:16] <XXCoder> whats up
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[10:45:20] <archivist_herron> somewhat expensive
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MITSUBISHI-GD30-CNC-GEAR-HOBBING-MACHINE-/221815131786
[10:46:20] <XXCoder> defnitely experenced machine
[10:52:01] <archivist_herron> I cannot see why it is so costly considering it is 20 years old
[10:53:31] <XXCoder> wall of text
[10:53:35] <XXCoder> so dunno
[10:54:09] <XXCoder> franjkly I'd move on from it
[10:55:07] <XXCoder> hell you can buy a used hurco say, for much less
[10:56:03] <archivist_herron> dont think hurco makes hobbing machines :)
[10:56:15] <XXCoder> oh hobbing
[10:56:16] <XXCoder> whats it
[10:57:04] <XXCoder> hurco vm20 usually 25k or so. somewhat cheap
[10:57:12] <XXCoder> same time hurco is cheap machine company
[10:58:05] <archivist_herron> hobbing machines have geared rotary axes
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Liebherr-L252-Gear-Hobber-/121712705647
[10:58:37] <XXCoder> gear maker?
[10:58:50] <XXCoder> spockets etc
[10:59:19] <archivist_herron> yes
[10:59:32] <XXCoder> interesting
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[13:48:21] <SEL> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbBez-Ad5jg
[13:53:42] <archivist_herron> I see no reason linuxcnc could not do that
[13:55:30] <archivist_herron> effectively a sliding head plasma cutter with an extra axis or three
[13:59:19] <SEL> :-)
[14:00:24] <SEL> yes but the sliding head has also a rotative axis
[14:02:04] <SEL> plus another rotative at the torch so i think it is 4 axis
[14:02:44] <SEL> or 5 :-)
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[14:15:39] <archivist_herron> torch head has 2 axes of rotation and y the pusher is x and z for torch height and the other tube rotation makes 6
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[14:18:49] <fenn> who wants to go swimming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQR0If6miRY
[14:22:25] <archivist_herron> funny how they go one at a time and run
[14:23:17] <archivist_herron> not quite trusting it
[14:24:09] <fenn> a big wave could come along and exceed the travel of the stewart platform
[14:24:20] <fenn> easier to rescue 1 guy than 12
[14:24:31] <CaptHindsight> "The movie speeks for it self" and I didn't write that
[14:28:55] <CaptHindsight> http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/13/tianjin-explosion/tianjin-china-explosion13.w529.h352.2x.jpg does Renault use composites for the hoods?
[14:29:51] <CaptHindsight> where are the engines? were those cars just partially complete?
[14:30:13] <fenn> that laser only has 5 axes of motion, (what would 6 even mean?) the torch has 1 axis of rotation and is synchronized to the big rotary for angled cuts. and there is another sliding joint to move the chuck out of the way but i don't think that's used for positioning
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[14:34:17] <Roguish> those cars could have had aluminum hoods. al does burn.
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[14:37:18] <CaptHindsight> http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03407/tianjin-explosion-_3407606k.jpg rims survived
[14:37:32] <CaptHindsight> http://media.guim.co.uk/b66856b37dec594082580a77171618a1111f4cf5/0_125_4500_2699/1000.jpg
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[14:39:31] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if the ground is also covered with melted glass
[14:41:48] <archivist_herron> the local window repair guys must be going nuts trying to get round and quote for the work
[14:42:30] <fenn> i wouldn't be surprised if they called in the army to fix stuff
[14:42:45] <CaptHindsight> someones going to be in big trouble
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[15:21:32] <norias> wow, those cars got destoryed
[15:21:38] <norias> lol @ my typing
[15:21:56] <norias> is it not possible that those were kinda WIP cars?
[15:22:02] <norias> perhaps without hoods and engines?
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[15:26:15] <SpeedEvil> If they were all fueled, it's sort-of-possible that it melted enough of the small engine/mounts for it to fall out teh bottom
[15:26:36] <norias> i kind of doubt that
[15:26:49] <norias> it's possible, but i think the more likely answer
[15:26:52] <zeeshan> anyone here do at home diy laser scanning here?
[15:26:54] <norias> is that they were incomplete
[15:27:06] <SpeedEvil> norias: not impossible
[15:27:22] <norias> anyone here feel like helping me think through a business problem?
[15:27:39] <fenn> norias that place was totally wrecked, the cars were complete and waiting for shipment
[15:27:49] <SpeedEvil> norias: First, kill all the lawyers
[15:28:30] <SpeedEvil> https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.tgo.so%2Fpaper%2FshowNews.do%3Fdetailid%3D20150813100038175%26newsType%3D1%26apiVersion%3D3.0%26share%3D1
[15:28:46] <SpeedEvil> Tianjin Big Bang lead to new cars scrapped. 5 o'clock this morning, at a distance of less than 400 meters south of the scene of the explosion at about four or five on the football field-sized parking lot, parked cars thousands of new cars, almost all were burned remaining frames. These vehicles include the Volkswagen Beetle and other vehicle models. Most automotive interior combustible part, nearly all burned out, leaving only the dark body
[15:28:46] <SpeedEvil> frame, car window glass broken in one place.
[15:28:51] <norias> https://www.reddit.com/r/pittsburgh/comments/3gzh4o/how_the_fuck_do_you_people_cut_the_lawn_here/
[15:29:24] <fenn> i'm surprised the wheels survived since the engines liquified
[15:29:34] <norias> sure, new cars, but it doesn't say that they were complete cars
[15:29:44] <norias> there could easily be a body factory in one place, say china
[15:29:54] <norias> and the engine / final assembly in mexico
[15:29:57] <fenn> who the hell lines up a thousand incomplete cars at a port
[15:30:16] <norias> people that need to do final assembly in another country
[15:30:23] <SpeedEvil> fenn: more importantly - cars of different brands
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[15:30:59] <SpeedEvil> 'The car yard is the brand distribution in North China where all the cars to exist here, and then sent to the country. "This is what we are disastrous, but I do not know the specifics, steward or boss."
[15:33:57] <malcom2073> norias: Prime territory for autonomous lawnmowers
[15:34:17] <norias> malcom2073: truly
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[15:34:56] <SpeedEvil> malcom2073: naah
[15:34:58] <SpeedEvil> quadcopter
[15:35:26] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: Buddy of mine regularly has to clean grass off his RC helicopter blades heh
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[15:37:15] <SpeedEvil> Also - to bring this back on topic.
[15:37:30] <SpeedEvil> Couple of servos, encoders, ropes, and on/off on the Z axis.
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[15:56:07] <CaptHindsight> http://blog.caranddriver.com/is-this-the-engine-of-the-future-in-depth-with-matti-holtzberg-and-his-composite-engine-block/
[15:57:22] <CaptHindsight> http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/009.jpg
[16:02:09] <t12> i wonder if this lathe will actually catch threads
[16:02:41] <t12> what indexes how the leadscrew couples to the apron
[16:03:12] <t12> is it just a gear engaging the leadscrew and theirnrelative pitches?
[16:03:58] <archivist> t12, er what lathe
[16:04:43] <t12> well, this weiss thing i got
[16:04:52] <t12> but in general ive never looked into it
[16:05:22] <archivist> I have no idea what lathe you have
[16:06:08] <t12> pm1128, dunno what the weiss model is
[16:06:12] <t12> cheap chinese thing
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[16:07:38] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: what is that second pic
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[16:13:39] <tjtr33> todays mail list talked about 2.7 able to convert Mach ini-line files. remided me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qw6Hon013E
[16:13:40] <tjtr33> I been SAVED!
[16:14:05] <tjtr33> a different kind of conversion ;)
[16:23:11] <archivist> t12 google lathe thread indicator
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[16:29:24] <jdh> are you keeping it manual?
[16:30:39] <jdh> I've mostly given up on my 9x conversion. 11x looks big enough for easy X ballscrew
[16:30:51] <archivist> I keep most lathes manual :)
[16:32:19] <jdh> yeah. I'd still like to have one
[16:35:37] <archivist> I am about to do a 6 tpi thread on the southbend, while the cnc starturn eats internal threads it chokes on large lumps of metal
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[16:51:55] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: polymer engine block
[16:53:08] <CaptHindsight> polymer composite
[16:55:21] <zeeshan> nice
[16:55:25] <zeeshan> im trying this 123dapp
[16:55:26] <zeeshan> it looks promising
[16:55:28] <zeeshan> simple to use
[16:55:35] <zeeshan> get roughly the shape you want
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[17:28:31] <zeeshan> holy shit
[17:28:35] <zeeshan> 123dapp really works!
[17:28:37] <zeeshan> super power
[17:28:38] <zeeshan> super easy
[17:28:49] <zeeshan> free. cheap no special things needed but a phone.
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[17:38:13] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/LASITZ2.jpg
[17:38:19] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/R68kBsl.jpg
[17:38:24] <zeeshan> boy im gonna scan my rx7 with this
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[17:46:25] <tjtr33> zeeshan, is that 123d Catch, the photo to model app?
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[18:01:25] <zeeshan> yea
[18:01:34] <zeeshan> works REALLY well!!
[18:11:52] <tjtr33> shift knob?
[18:12:33] <PetefromTn_> WOAH I have not seen that before. gonna have to try that...
[18:12:55] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: literally took 10 min
[18:12:57] <zeeshan> now im using splines
[18:13:00] <zeeshan> to get my actual model
[18:13:07] <zeeshan> there is software to convert it to solid
[18:13:12] <zeeshan> but that wont benefit me, cause i just need the form
[18:13:14] <zeeshan> since i will be changing it
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[18:16:03] <PetefromTn_> nice what software are you using?
[18:16:17] <PetefromTn_> what does the combined 3d model image output as?
[18:16:30] <PetefromTn_> have not looked into it yet eating lunch ;)
[18:16:35] <zeeshan> im using solidworks
[18:16:39] <zeeshan> the 123d catch outputs stl
[18:16:44] <PetefromTn_> awesome
[18:16:47] <zeeshan> so now its in the world of solidworks
[18:16:50] <zeeshan> so now i trace splines
[18:16:52] <PetefromTn_> awesome jawesome
[18:16:53] <zeeshan> after aligning the 3d object
[18:17:10] <zeeshan> sure as hell beats the image technique iwas using
[18:17:17] <zeeshan> that only really works well for simpler geometry
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[18:25:03] <jdh> you are modeling a prairie dog?
[18:25:10] <jdh> or was that a different pic?
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[18:31:38] <just_pink_> hi
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[18:33:55] <just_pink_> what is the common method to cut stock materials?
[18:34:24] <jdh> hammer and cold chisel?
[18:34:33] <jdh> xacto knife?
[18:34:40] <Wolf_> hacksaw?
[18:34:50] <jdh> laser?
[18:34:54] <just_pink_> I mean like bars of metal..
[18:35:16] <jdh> I have a bandsaw
[18:35:24] <Wolf_> horizontal autofeed bandsaw, is what I use
[18:35:46] <jdh> right. Much easier than chisel and hammer
[18:36:24] <just_pink_> now I'm using hacksaw - sooo slow
[18:36:39] <Wolf_> I also have handheld bandsaws and a 14” cold saw
[18:38:11] <just_pink_> I see that some peapole make "power hacksaw"
[18:39:17] <Wolf_> of all the things I have to do the job the horizontal bandsaw is the best for the job
[18:39:21] <Wolf_> least IMO
[18:40:13] <_methods> http://www.zoro.com/makita-chop-saw-12-in-blade-1-in-arbor-lc1230/i/G2287941/
[18:40:20] <_methods> taht thing is great for ferrous metals
[18:40:20] <just_pink_> what about something like that?
[18:40:23] <just_pink_> https://www.google.com/search?q=cold+saw&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAmoVChMIlp7w6JupxwIVBTo-Ch0E0QGB&biw=1280&bih=609#tbm=isch&q=diy+power+hacksaw
[18:41:20] <just_pink_> mhaberler: I need somthing quite (I'm living in second floor)
[18:41:42] <Wolf_> porta-band imo then
[18:41:56] <_methods> yeah
[18:42:10] <_methods> portaband or one of those harbor freight horizontal bandsaws
[18:42:17] <_methods> i think i paid $200 for mine
[18:42:45] <jdh> $160 for my HF one
[18:43:18] <_methods> yeah i think you can get them on sales for about that
[18:43:25] <_methods> i was impatient
[18:43:50] <_methods> it's actually not bad
[18:43:55] <_methods> i've cut quite a bit of stuff with it now
[18:44:10] <_methods> took some jiggery pokery to get it all tuned in at first
[18:44:27] <jdh> I've only cut Al with mine, but it has been fine out of the box
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[18:45:29] <_methods> i've cut all kinds of steel and some alum on mine
[18:45:50] <_methods> the whole spring tension thing took me a bit to get "right"
[18:45:51] <just_pink_> I need somthing that can fit up to 3 by 3 inches/
[18:45:54] <Wolf_> I picked up a milwaukee portable at a pawn shop for $100 years ago and got one of these a couple years ago
http://amzn.com/B002R6C4EA cut all sorts of everything with them
[18:45:58] <_methods> but now i can cut without poppin blades
[18:47:09] <just_pink_> http://grizzly.com/products/4-x-6-Metal-Cutting-Bandsaw/G0622
[18:47:27] <_methods> yeah that
[18:47:48] <jdh> http://www.harborfreight.com/horizontal-vertical-metal-cutting-bandsaw-93762.html
[18:47:49] <_methods> they're only $200 at harbor freight
[18:47:55] <jdh> cheaper with coupon
[18:48:15] <Wolf_> heh, my horizontal is about 2x that size
[18:48:49] <Wolf_> the compact porta-band I have will do a 3.25” cut
[18:49:29] <just_pink_> it is noisy?
[18:49:40] <Wolf_> very quiet
[18:49:59] <zeeshan> i use a chisel and hammer myself
[18:50:00] <zeeshan> !
[18:50:09] <just_pink_> what?
[18:50:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah horiz/vertical bandsaw is the ticket
[18:50:49] <_methods> yeah the nice thing about the harbor fright one is you can use it both vertical and horizontal
[18:50:56] <just_pink_> zeeshan: how you cut 2" flat bat with chisel and hammer??
[18:50:58] <PetefromTn_> I had the 4x6 for years and it works okay but the 7x12 is MUCH better if you can afford it. I bought mine used on craigslist for like $350.00
[18:51:15] <zeeshan> with a very big hammer
[18:51:25] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you got yours cheap dude
[18:51:30] <zeeshan> here the 7x12 is 1200 new
[18:51:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have to
[18:51:32] <zeeshan> i got mine for 500
[18:51:41] <zeeshan> i could never find it for cheaper than that
[18:51:45] <zeeshan> and like you know im a cheapie :P
[18:51:48] <PetefromTn_> I gotta get everything I buy cheap LOL ;)
[18:51:53] <just_pink_> what about the power hacksaw?
[18:51:55] <zeeshan> dude
[18:51:58] <zeeshan> after couple mins of messing around
[18:52:08] <Wolf_> for apartment living I would get something like that milwaukee compact I linked
[18:52:25] <PetefromTn_> just_pink a friend used to work in an old machine shop and they had one of those power hacksaws.. it worked real good but I think the bandsaw is better/faster
[18:52:29] <_methods> well if the power hacksaw was a good design don't you think you'd see them used all over?
[18:52:37] <just_pink_> Wolf_: I want somthing with stand.
[18:52:54] <PetefromTn_> the sheetmetal stand that comes with the 4x6 is a POS
[18:53:01] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/flAqtzY.jpg
[18:53:02] <Wolf_> get a deep cut portaband then and make a stand for it
[18:53:03] <PetefromTn_> I tig welded up a nice much taller stand for mine
[18:53:12] <zeeshan> ITS A PARAMETRIC MODEL!!
[18:53:14] <zeeshan> hooray!!
[18:53:17] <PetefromTn_> nice
[18:53:24] <_methods> the stand with mine isn't too bad
[18:53:24] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna have to try that.
[18:53:25] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i didnt get a table with mine
[18:53:33] <zeeshan> i made mine out of some 3/8" aluminum
[18:53:33] <_methods> i think so many people bitched about the stand they improved it
[18:53:35] <zeeshan> seems to be working fine
[18:53:40] <zeeshan> but i think the weak point is the 2 bolt attachment
[18:53:43] <zeeshan> causes it to be a pos sometimes
[18:53:46] <PetefromTn_> I got one but it is a cheap flimsy thing unfortunately...
[18:53:52] <just_pink_> PetefromTn_: I dont have a tig welder :(
[18:53:55] <Wolf_> like
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/tools-supplies/413417d1231359518-porta-band-stand-porta-band-stand-005.jpg
[18:54:06] <_methods> i wouldn't go putting a 20' stick of 6" round on it
[18:54:12] <zeeshan> just_pink: i think you underestimate what a really good hack saw can do
[18:54:13] <_methods> but works for what i'd do
[18:54:13] <PetefromTn_> just_pink you can buy any old steel or wood table and just bolt it down to it
[18:54:18] <zeeshan> let me show you a video of a guy i watch.
[18:54:29] <zeeshan> i wont have to make a video for you!
[18:54:43] <Wolf_> just_pink_:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1368&pictureid=24131
[18:55:19] <zeeshan> just_pink:
https://youtu.be/IKVRa8ahvAQ?t=654
[18:55:20] <zeeshan> watch this
[18:55:25] <zeeshan> and you tell me if this is too hard to do
[18:55:30] <zeeshan> a hack saw is like $15 w/ a proper blade
[18:55:47] <PetefromTn_> I have several hacksaws... they are all collecting dust LOL
[18:55:51] <zeeshan> its gotta be 30+ teeth if youre cutting it like he has
[18:55:58] <zeeshan> i use mine to cut tacks a lot
[18:56:03] <zeeshan> it sits next to my welder!!
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[18:56:11] <PetefromTn_> I use my air saw ;)
[18:56:16] <zeeshan> nice :(
[18:56:17] <zeeshan> i dont has
[18:56:20] <just_pink_> zeeshan: he say "I'm using my thumb to get it started"
[18:56:36] <zeeshan> just_pink: yea like a guide
[18:56:42] <Wolf_> I use a metal eraser (4.5” grinder)
[18:56:42] <zeeshan> but look at how quick it is
[18:56:54] <zeeshan> theres no composite powder flying around
[18:56:56] <zeeshan> its a nice clean cut
[18:56:59] <Wolf_> least for tacks
[18:58:00] <PetefromTn_> I need to get a mans belt sander machine
[18:58:12] <PetefromTn_> my little one even with my mods is sucking ass
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[18:59:26] <just_pink_> what about using sliting saw to cut the stock?
[18:59:38] <Wolf_> I need a belt sander machine as well… really need to build a plasma table
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[19:01:03] <Wolf_> on that note, any suggestions on what to get/build for a linuxcnc computer?
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[19:03:34] <Rab> zeeshan, that guy's technique sucks and he takes forever to get through 1/8" plate!
[19:04:22] <zeeshan> ?|?
[19:04:54] <Tom_itx> zeeshan
[19:05:11] <zeeshan> hi
[19:05:13] <Rab> Or maybe I'm just a hacksaw masta.
[19:05:15] <Tom_itx> it's friday!
[19:05:20] <zeeshan> TGIF!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:05:32] <PetefromTn_> Woohoo new tooling is IN DA HOUSE!!
[19:05:41] <zeeshan> carbide??!
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[19:05:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah baby
[19:05:49] <zeeshan> nice
[19:05:51] <PetefromTn_> hang on pic time
[19:06:26] <Tom_itx> pff on pics.... we want video
[19:06:44] <Tom_itx> zeeshan that looks like a brown turd
[19:06:47] <Rab> just_pink_, bandsaw will be the most quiet option. Potentially quieter than a hacksaw, even.
[19:06:48] <Tom_itx> wtf is it?
[19:06:53] <zeeshan> lol
[19:06:55] <zeeshan> hahahah
[19:06:58] <zeeshan> you'll see when im done with it
[19:07:04] <zeeshan> itll be a polished turd
[19:07:10] <Tom_itx> a handle for something i heard
[19:07:37] <Tom_itx> sure alot of silly modeling for a handle
[19:08:16] <zeeshan> i love getting paid for stuff like this
[19:08:32] <Tom_itx> what? polishing turds?
[19:08:36] <zeeshan> yes
[19:09:25] <PetefromTn_> http://imgur.com/a/TNmr9
[19:10:15] <Tom_itx> yabp
[19:11:06] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, what are you doing with that low helix drill?
[19:11:38] <zeeshan> secksi
[19:11:43] <zeeshan> oxtoolco in the back!
[19:11:51] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[19:13:55] <PetefromTn_> ya know it's funny I have seen and used those power hacksaws and they are really nice, quiet and cool mechanically. But any half decent bandsaw would kick it's ass so I don't see why there are so many youtube videos of people making them...
[19:14:20] <Wolf_> probably just to make it more then use it?
[19:14:21] <PetefromTn_> what's the advantage?
[19:14:26] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: none
[19:14:30] <zeeshan> its a silly design
[19:14:36] <Tom_itx> we had a bandsaw in the shop
[19:14:36] <zeeshan> thats why it is obsolete
[19:14:37] <Wolf_> blades might be easier to come by
[19:14:44] <PetefromTn_> the only thing that I can think of is that you would not have to worry about blade tracking
[19:14:57] <zeeshan> "lets use the same portion of the blade to cut our piece"
[19:15:00] <zeeshan> loll
[19:15:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah and hardly any chip evacuation in comparison
[19:15:50] <PetefromTn_> there must be 5000 youtube videos showing someone's homemade power hacksaw
[19:16:26] <zeeshan> Wolf made one too
[19:16:31] * zeeshan hides
[19:16:40] <PetefromTn_> I could see building a bigass vertical bandsaw that would be really useful and a fun project
[19:17:00] <zeeshan> how about a vertical powder hacksaw?
[19:17:03] <zeeshan> could that be useful?
[19:17:07] <PetefromTn_> and the big metal cutting ones are very expensive
[19:17:37] <Tom_itx> Wolf_,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157497&cm_re=asrock_q1900b-_-13-157-497-_-Product
[19:19:27] <Wolf_> that looks good
[19:19:58] <Tom_itx> i've got that and a q1900m pro3
[19:20:10] <Tom_itx> i can't find it on newegg now
[19:25:19] <PetefromTn_> hopefully these carbide drills will do the job on that cast iron job. hopefully more rigid/less wandering etc.
[19:26:36] <chris_99> i'm just wondering is it possible to install the tools from LinuxCNC, without having to install the full distro?
[19:27:06] <just_pink> what do you think?
[19:27:08] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/LHxlSSW.jpg
[19:27:17] <Wolf_> hmm, I think I have a couple of AMD athlon 64X2 builds laying around, wonder if they would work
[19:27:36] <Tom_itx> do a latency test and find out
[19:27:41] <cradek> chris_99: the cd image we distribute is just for convenience because people usually want full installs. you don't need to use it.
[19:28:18] <chris_99> is there a guide for installing on an existing linux distro?
[19:28:24] <cradek> what distro?
[19:28:51] <chris_99> just ubuntu
[19:28:56] <cradek> which ubuntu?
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[19:29:18] <chris_99> 15.04
[19:29:38] <cradek> we don't make packages for that, so you will need to build from source
[19:31:22] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYG6miioY6I Now that's what I call a bandsaw ;)
[19:32:10] <Rab> chris_99, are you wanting to use the installation for simulation or other offline work, or for actual machine control?
[19:33:02] <chris_99> i was looking into it for controlling a microscope, using some DIY hardware i am going to make
[19:33:13] <chris_99> one other thing i'm curious about reading the wiki, USB isn't suitable for realtime control? is ethernet any better?
[19:36:29] <pcw_home> yes
[19:37:18] <chris_99> what's that actually due to out of interest, why is usb not suitable, just the way the controller chips function?
[19:39:15] <CaptHindsight> chris_99: it is the USB standard
[19:39:44] <CaptHindsight> and how slowly the bus can respond to events
[19:39:50] <cradek> chris_99: thanks for asking questions BEFORE choosing/buying/building hardware. people who get that wrong cause us no end of frustration.
[19:40:00] <chris_99> heh
[19:40:42] <cradek> no really :-)
[19:41:41] <Wolf_> part of the same reason I came in here, to ask about the system hardware before I start anything, had a feeling it would save me some headaches
[19:41:55] <chris_99> so say i built something that interacts with linuxcnc via ethernet, is there a specification i can follow
[19:42:08] <chris_99> to ensure my hardwrae worked with linuxcnc
[19:45:11] <CaptHindsight> chris_99: I know that you have an engineering background, you'll just need to get up to speed on Linuxcnc by looking over what currently works
[19:45:33] <CaptHindsight> there's lots of documentation but not on every aspect
[19:45:51] <chris_99> okey dokey cool, i just pulled the main repo, i'll have a dig around
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[19:49:37] <CaptHindsight> chris_99: there is a fork of Linuxcnc where I think they used USB but it's not supported here. Arais Robot
[19:50:53] <chris_99> interesting thanks
[19:54:22] <Rab> chris_99, this guy offers a proprietary USB controller which interfaces with a patched LinuxCNC:
http://www.ecklersoft.com/
[19:56:14] <Rab> 99% sure it works by LinuxCNC issuing an ideal timestamp along with each motion command, and the dongle scheduling the commands in hard real time.
[19:56:15] <CaptHindsight> chris_99: you don't need realtime for moving an XY microscope stage unless you need to coordinate the motion with something
[19:56:49] <CaptHindsight> laser, FIB, spindle, cheese dispenser etc
[19:58:17] <chris_99> heh, yeah i'm curious for other CNC stuff too, although first i'd like to make a XY controller
[19:58:22] <chris_99> cheers Rab i'll check that out
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[20:02:41] <LatheBuilder2> howdy
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[20:08:45] <Wolf_> ok, so after getting a computer together and latency test done, next step is a parallel breakout right?
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[20:09:30] <LatheBuilder2> Wolf_: have your stepper drivers lined up already?
[20:09:36] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: yes, if you're going to use steppers on LPT
[20:09:56] <cradek> chris_99: you probably want to make your device compatible with hm2_eth
[20:10:24] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: are you shopping for LPT break out boards?
[20:10:25] <Wolf_> no, starting from scratch… I have some older servo motors but they are 3phase nema34 with not much info on the windings
[20:10:30] <cradek> (but I can't imagine building something like that for one microscope project, when I could just buy it)
[20:10:58] <Wolf_> CaptHindsight: I think so, LPT seems like the simplest way right?
[20:11:11] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: for steppers
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[20:11:51] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKsqyPbo0Lg pretty cool... Petefromtn Eyeballs the wife's treadmill now hehe
[20:11:59] <chris_99> cradek, thanks i'll have a look, is that using raw ethernet frames or IP
[20:12:06] <CaptHindsight> Wolf_: servos are closed loop, and there are a few off the shelf options for IO
[20:12:12] <Wolf_> yeah, steppers, planning on doing a seig x1 conversion to start
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[20:13:18] <cradek> > I am willing to sell you preprogrammed pic chips for your application. Based on my sublicense agreement with Microchip this arrangement works best because each pic chip must be programmed with unique USB descriptors (ie: pid/vid, serial number, product ID).
[20:13:30] <cradek> that rt-stepper thing is not remotely open source
[20:13:51] <cradek> I'm not sure it's related to linuxcnc at all
[20:14:31] <Tom_itx> fits right in here then
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[21:09:07] <Wolf_> CaptHindsight: Yeah, I understand the servo thing (mostly), was going to go with eBay steppers/driver set probably for the X1 conversion and save the servos for when I have a clue of WTF I’m doing. I have a general idea of how this all works, I have a 3d printer but that thing is a toy vs doing a cnc mill it seems
[21:21:09] <Rab> cradek, this is the guy's glue:
https://code.google.com/p/rtstepperemc/
[21:21:41] <Rab> He seems really insistent on using "EMC2".
[21:21:42] <tjb1> JT-Shop, how is your printer?
[21:22:05] <JT-Shop> which one lol
[21:22:12] <tjb1> You have more than one now?
[21:22:25] <tjb1> Any pictures?
[21:22:42] <JT-Shop> 3-d got pushed back to the stack of to-do's
[21:23:04] <tjb1> Booo
[21:23:09] <JT-Shop> dang customers and other things have been keeping me busy
[21:23:17] <tjb1> Pssh customers, what good are they
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[21:23:43] <JT-Shop> building a vertical stand for my 7x12 bandsaw to gain floor space lol
[21:23:45] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/7x12-bandsaw/7%20x%2012%20Bandsaw%2002.jpg
[21:26:17] <tjb1> Very nice
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[21:29:21] <furrywolf> Rab: I find names with "linux" in them to be generally tacky, and changing your name just because another company is a bully didn't sit right with a lot of people.
[21:30:07] <andypugh> It didn’t sit right with us, but what were we to do?
[21:30:36] <furrywolf> well, apparantly one option is to be really insistent on using EMC2. :)
[21:30:56] <andypugh> I think “LinuxCNC” was chosen because that was already the website domain.
[21:31:40] <andypugh> And would you have volunteered to be the guy making all the court appearances and recieving the writs?
[21:31:56] <furrywolf> I'm just answering what Rab said.
[21:32:10] <furrywolf> as to why this person might be using the old name.
[21:32:32] <andypugh> Ah, well, I just joined and didn’t see that
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[21:36:03] <Deejay> gn8
[21:36:19] * furrywolf tries to figure out what to have for breakfast
[21:36:28] <furrywolf> I should use up my salad, but I'm really not in the salad mood.
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[21:37:20] <andypugh> melted cheese on a bed of salas
[21:37:23] <andypugh> (sald)
[21:37:33] <andypugh> no, “salad” is the word.
[21:37:49] <furrywolf> melted cheese on salsa ON CHIPS would be good. :P
[21:38:47] <andypugh> Jymmm: Those castors I showed on eBay just moved the 750kg lathe.
[21:39:29] <andypugh> This is the lathe that did this to my engine hoist:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/XL4OqxaxNMEKRxir614JftMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[21:39:42] <furrywolf> I need to move a 4000+lb milling machine. what casters did you get, and how? :)
[21:40:29] <andypugh> For that, I would get a man with a big HIAB truck
[21:41:32] <furrywolf> we dropped it off at a relative's garage, as he had, among other things, a working truck, a trailer, a garage, a reliable supply of 230V @ 5hp, and a neighbor with a big forklift who'd move it just for getting to use it to make a new part for his saw.... but the forklift was too tall for the big rollup door, so we pushed it about 3ft in, and that's where it sits...
[21:41:42] <furrywolf> I wish I had all those things. heh.
[21:42:03] <Wolf_> having a forklift is handy :D
[21:42:14] <furrywolf> I was planning on bringing it here, but he convinced me that having it inside rather than in my driveway under a tarp, and running off mains instead of my inverter, was better...
[21:42:27] <andypugh> Fot the lathe (which needs to move away from the wall for servicing) I have made a sectional frame with jacking mounts for the castors. So, I build up the frame round the lathe, jack it a few mm off the ground, then move it. Then lower it again.
[21:43:50] <furrywolf> it weighs 3750lbs without the optional accessories, but it has a 3-phase converter and a second power panel stuck to the back of it, plus a full tank of coolant, etc, bring it up to around 4000lbs...
[21:44:02] <furrywolf> 1815kg or so
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[21:45:47] <just_pink> hi
[21:46:21] <just_pink> where i can get 82 deg 1/4" counter sink?
[21:46:28] <zeeshan> god i hate surface modeling
[21:46:29] <zeeshan> piece of shit
[21:46:41] <zeeshan> maybe my approach is WRONG
[21:46:53] <furrywolf> today's project is to replace the power cord on it... it came with about 50ft of 6/3, but it's in pretty sad shape, and my relative has stated it is not to have power applied to it on his premesis. heh.
[21:46:58] <zeeshan> furrywolf: just use pipe
[21:47:18] <zeeshan> furrywolf: your relative sounds like a dick
[21:47:18] <zeeshan> :P
[21:47:29] <furrywolf> I'm worried about cracking the base, since it's hollow and also the coolant tank...
[21:47:35] <andypugh> just_pink: How many are you doing? You could just grind a drill
[21:47:39] <furrywolf> he said he didn't want his shop burning down. heh.
[21:48:08] <just_pink> andypugh: I dont have a grinder :(
[21:48:32] <andypugh> Well, that’s something you need to fix _right_ away :-)
[21:48:48] <furrywolf> I went over the repair manual last night, and I think I can just lock the burnt out solenoid on for now. it just actuates a clutch that disengages the table drive motor if the machine's power is shut down during operation. it's always on whenever the machine is on, and exists only to make sure the table stops moving before the spindle stops turning if power is killed.
[21:49:39] <furrywolf> I think some baling wire and a note saying "don't turn the power off while using the power feed" is sufficient for now.
[21:49:50] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/oiARRav.jpg
[21:49:51] <zeeshan> scanned data
[21:49:57] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/IyhcpqP.jpg
[21:50:02] <zeeshan> curve generated from profile
[21:50:06] <andypugh> just_pink: If you can wait:
http://www.amazon.com/Drill-America-High-Speed-Chatterless-Countersink/dp/B00FXBQG1I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439588974&sr=8-1&keywords=countersink+82
[21:50:07] <zeeshan> am i doing this correct
[21:50:10] <zeeshan> cause this is brutal
[21:50:45] <furrywolf> and that is...? lol
[21:50:58] <zeeshan> A LOG OF SHIT
[21:51:00] <zeeshan> is what it is!!!
[21:51:12] <furrywolf> that's about what it looks like.
[21:51:15] <just_pink> BRB
[21:51:16] <andypugh> zeeshan: You might find an intepolation spline is easier than a control-point spline
[21:54:05] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5163013489.html is hard to move!
[21:55:12] <just_pink> furrywolf:
http://www.airfloat.com/moving-heavy-electrical-equipment-on-air-bearings/
[21:55:47] <just_pink> you just neet to lift it few inches..
[21:57:21] <furrywolf> heh, I could build something like that... try to get it into some steel plate with weatherstripping around the edges and a couple air hoses...
[21:57:25] <furrywolf> s/into/onto
[21:58:13] <just_pink> or - use 4 bottle jack with frame that you will attached to the bottom of the machine, than put a dolly and lower the jacks.
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[21:59:07] <andypugh> Bear with me…
[21:59:09] <furrywolf> his concrete floor is pretty crappy in places, would need rubber gaskets.
[22:00:13] <just_pink> furrywolf: you need to make like frame with 4 hydraulic legs and than just bolt it to the bottom cast iron part..
[22:00:40] <furrywolf> justanotheruser: that's a lot of work. tacking a couple air fittings to a piece of scrap plate is not. :P
[22:00:50] <justanotheruser> furrywolf: what
[22:00:53] <furrywolf> or just going to the scrapyard and picking up some scrap 1" water pipe.
[22:01:39] <furrywolf> justanotheruser: you or just_pink needs to change nicks. :P
[22:01:39] <just_pink> furrywolf: you can weld/
[22:01:52] <justanotheruser> I vote just_pink
[22:01:58] <furrywolf> justanotheruser: that was meant for just_pink, sorry.
[22:02:33] <furrywolf> it'd also help if bitchx had some simple logic to complete nicks to whomever spoke last, rather than randomly picking a match.
[22:02:39] <just_pink> I can't find nice nick :(
[22:02:54] <justanotheruser> jist_pink
[22:03:04] <just_pink> no!
[22:03:19] <just_pink> jistanotheruser
[22:03:51] <furrywolf> the only pink things I have are silicone. lol
[22:04:14] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ss_PZDWP0 Oh I am so gonna built this....
[22:04:25] <andypugh> furrywolf: Hmm, the chap behind Splorch is called “Wolf” too. More than coincidence?
[22:05:48] * furrywolf has no idea what splorch is
[22:06:12] <Wolf_> eh
[22:06:13] <andypugh> Most people don’t want to. I didn’t.
[22:06:20] <CaptHindsight> http://phys.org/news/2015-08-ohm-drop-in-car-battery.html The batteries are LiFePO4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_iron_phosphate_battery
[22:06:42] <CaptHindsight> 6-pound drop-in replacement
[22:06:59] <SpeedEvil> 6 pound is considerably more than most need.
[22:07:27] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop how high will it sit?
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[22:07:37] <SpeedEvil> - in that smaller batteries will be able to start cars
[22:07:42] <PetefromTn_> gonna want pics when you are done ;)
[22:07:48] <andypugh> No need for hydraulics to make jacking castor legs:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/oJlPdB7G2BhcBXXzSgiGytMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[22:08:07] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/vHgoSscmDmMq1LRbaEAy7NMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[22:08:30] <furrywolf> "Lasts more than twice than lead-acid batteries, which go for three years. Here, you are looking at a 7-year average lifetime." ... wtf? a car battery is 5-10 years depending on treatment.
[22:08:38] <andypugh> (The strap was an experiment, I will make metal hooks.)
[22:09:01] <PetefromTn_> andypugh nice man... MOBILE base
[22:09:17] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: that depends on climate
[22:09:24] <andypugh> The idea is that it can be configured to move the mill too.
[22:09:25] <furrywolf> and if that 6lbs includes both the lifepo4 batteries AND ultracapacitors, it'll have virtually no reserve capacity.
[22:09:51] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, the bandsaw?
[22:09:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah man
[22:10:14] <JT-Shop> the cutting surface will be 40" off the floor
[22:10:23] <JT-Shop> more or less
[22:10:33] <PetefromTn_> nice... I hate bending over mine all the time
[22:10:45] <furrywolf> maybe it will start the car, if the car starts on the first try, and you never want to turn on the lights or stereo without the car running...
[22:11:04] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, tested my rigid tapping last night
[22:11:06] <JT-Shop> my horz is pretty low, but I'm converting the 7x12 to vertical only
[22:11:10] <JT-Shop> and?
[22:11:12] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: why would it have ultracaps?
[22:11:20] <Tom_itx> have video but you won't wanna click... too much bandwidth
[22:11:21] <just_pink> furrywolf:
http://i.imgur.com/AVNBhjD.png
[22:11:26] <PetefromTn_> OH that is a great idea...
[22:11:57] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: 1) because the web page says it does, 2) because a lifepo4 battery that size can't supply 500A very well.
[22:12:03] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, picture a tap going into a hunk of wood as expected
[22:12:05] <JT-Shop> yea, the 7x12 is so crappy it won't cut straight so might as well use it as a vertial
[22:12:09] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsjde_pKUkk&feature=youtu.be
[22:12:11] <JT-Shop> Nice!
[22:12:52] <PetefromTn_> really? mine cuts perfectly straight even with the messed up blade on it
[22:13:12] <Tom_itx> few minor hitches with the pendant but that's a result of adding reverse
[22:13:19] <JT-Shop> the guides won't stay adjusted
[22:13:25] <Tom_itx> not sure what's going on with that yet
[22:13:40] <JT-Shop> you sneeze and it cuts crooked
[22:13:56] <JT-Shop> anyway I have a good horz so I don't need two
[22:14:03] <furrywolf> my bandsaw is useless due to cutting crooked.
[22:14:11] <furrywolf> I'll sell it if I have a yard sale.
[22:14:20] <PetefromTn_> nice I look forward to seeing your progress with it.
[22:14:38] <furrywolf> it's an older dayton, but worn out.
[22:15:10] <just_pink> furrywolf: what do you think abput my idea about lifting the machine?
[22:15:40] <furrywolf> just_pink: attaching to the sides won't work. and I already know I could build a giant dolly for it. I'm going got quick, cheap, temporary.
[22:15:41] <andypugh> just_pink: Seems vaguely similar to what I just made
[22:15:47] <JT-Shop> the frame is done, I'm just putting some brackets for the bottom shelf to hold my lead collection
[22:15:52] <furrywolf> s/got/for
[22:16:01] <furrywolf> I could use pipe if I got it onto a piece of steel plate.
[22:16:09] <zeeshan> JT-Shop: i had the same problem with it cutting crooked
[22:16:17] <zeeshan> i fixed it..
[22:16:27] <JT-Shop> I fixed mine too
[22:16:36] <zeeshan> i adjusted the guides, and decreased feed pressure and changed the blade
[22:16:43] <zeeshan> cuts within 20 thou now
[22:16:53] <zeeshan> before it was almost out by 1/8
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[22:17:34] <furrywolf> mine cuts so crooked it binds the band about a half inch down in a block of wood.
[22:18:13] <JT-Shop> I fixed mine by getting a Wilton 9x16 with 1" blade
[22:18:26] <zeeshan> haha nice
[22:18:33] <zeeshan> beastly
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[22:18:52] <JT-Shop> I do a lot of square tube fabrication and had to have a good bandsaw
[22:19:14] <zeeshan> im happy with it now
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[22:19:16] <JT-Shop> the crappy one got the money for the good one
[22:19:23] <zeeshan> i actually recently adjusted it (for that hub job i just did)
[22:19:34] <JT-Shop> I could have fixed the 7x12 but needed a bigger saw
[22:19:44] <zeeshan> yea it is kinda small
[22:19:47] <Tom_itx> looks like the first drill press i owned;
http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mUlabwzBtMoSbClN6smz27g.jpg
[22:19:49] <zeeshan> when youre dealing with plates
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[22:20:06] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: that looks like death
[22:20:10] <JT-Shop> the first machine I built
http://gnipsel.com/shop/bench-grinder.xhtml
[22:20:17] <zeeshan> rofl
[22:20:21] <JT-Shop> it still works!
[22:20:21] <zeeshan> nice!
[22:20:23] <furrywolf> "DUI Driver Runs Red Light, Smashes Into Police Car" yay. that's one drunk driver that'll learn a lesson the hard way...
[22:20:33] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i got one of those!
[22:20:35] <JT-Shop> built that when I was 14 or so
[22:20:39] <zeeshan> is that a dayton motor?
[22:20:42] <Tom_itx> switch was an option...
[22:20:45] <zeeshan> cause i swear to god it looks like one
[22:20:50] <zeeshan> and i have that thing on my bead roller
[22:20:56] <JT-Shop> I think it was out of a air handler
[22:21:27] <JT-Shop> and I still have the dang thing
[22:21:28] <deep_pink> furrywolf: the machine is so rusty, how do you know it's not junk?
[22:21:45] <furrywolf> deep_pink: it runs great. he had it powered up when I got it.
[22:22:05] <andypugh> Tom_itx: That drill is the baby brother of the one that Keith Fenner uses.
[22:22:06] <furrywolf> "Parolee Sustains Electrical Burns While Goofing Around in the PG&E Substation at Three A.M." you'd think tweekers would have learned to not steal live wiring one of these years...
[22:22:18] <deep_pink> there is a way to remove the rust?
[22:22:48] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i got it along with my 1/2" plate steel work table from my neighbor that was a retired welder
[22:22:58] <furrywolf> there's lots of ways to remove rust. the easiest way is not. :P
[22:22:59] <Tom_itx> in my early teens
[22:25:02] <andypugh> Tom_itx:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD2Hpiy-lL0 It’s a lovely old drill. Whirling belts all over.
[22:25:12] <Tom_itx> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/dP0AAOSwLa9UVq7w/$_35.JPG
[22:25:16] <Tom_itx> must be a newer model
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[22:27:23] <andypugh> Tom_itx: What’s the auction number? It’s lovely :-)
[22:28:42] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-VINTAGE-FLAT-BELT-DRIVEN-BUFFALO-FORGE-NY-NY-10-11251-DRILL-PRESS-/331578542447?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d339f096f
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[22:29:58] <andypugh> It’s not $150 of lovely with a broken tooth.
[22:30:16] <Tom_itx> no
[22:30:17] <andypugh> (and he won’t ship to the UK)
[22:30:51] <andypugh> “Country/Region of Manufacture: Taiwan” ?
[22:31:11] <Tom_itx> i seriously doubt it
[22:31:23] <Tom_itx> probably buffalo NY
[22:32:02] <andypugh> Yes, that would have been my guess too. :-)
[22:32:38] <Tom_itx> back in the steel boom days when everything was overbuilt
[22:32:59] <andypugh> Somebody put a Rivett 608 steady-rest on eBay a few days ago. $40 BIN. It went in minutes.
[22:33:32] <Tom_itx> couldn't get your fingers on the kbd quick enough?
[22:34:09] <andypugh> Wouldn’t ship to the UK
[22:34:49] <andypugh> And I don’t actually _use_ the Rivett.
[22:35:56] <zeeshan> die splines
[22:35:57] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Vintage-Iron-Canedy-Otto-Bench-top-Drill-Press-No-24-Made-in-USA-Nice-/310879123441?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4861d6f7f1
[22:35:59] <Tom_itx> holy crap
[22:36:42] <andypugh> This is the Rivett steady. Typical Rivett, cast then form-milled and polished all over:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Small-Lathe-Steady-Rest-/171892431392?hash=item2805965a20&nma=true&si=Fs99ZkUhbpJ2dEh6c6YSD8tuMfU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
[22:36:51] <andypugh> (OK, that one needs work)
[22:37:24] <andypugh> That’s mad
[22:37:31] <andypugh> You note nobody has bought it
[22:37:46] <Tom_itx> lotsa watchers
[22:38:24] <andypugh> I paid £120 for my Rivett 608.
[22:38:46] <LatheBuilder2> did it look as nice when you bought it?
[22:39:07] <Tom_itx> the shaft across the top probably originally had flat belt drive to the celing
[22:39:27] <andypugh> I think i got a bargain considering..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivett-608-Lathe-Threading-Dial-Indicator-/291533211897?hash=item43e0bbc8f9&nma=true&si=Fs99ZkUhbpJ2dEh6c6YSD8tuMfU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
[22:42:22] <andypugh> LatheBuilder2: It looked pretty much as nice. It had a few screws and small parts missing, and it had no stand.
[22:43:42] <andypugh> I reckon the stand has doubled the value. Well, I hope so, as the wood for the stand cost more than the lathe. :-)
[22:44:55] <andypugh> Hmm, I can see why he is selling this, he has another int he background :-)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivett-Precision-8-Very-Early-Rivett-cast-iron-stand-608-Lots-of-tooling/291536785861?_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33097%26meid%3D06ca00c3b3f04eb1b11bad6ab3c1f084%26pid%3D100012%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D291533211897
[22:44:57] <LatheBuilder2> looks good with the stand...thought it was a museum shot until I saw what looked like living room stuff in the corner of the pic.
[22:45:19] <andypugh> Yes, it’s next to my TV.
[22:45:41] <andypugh> Partly why it doesn’t get used much. Ruins the carpet, you know.
[22:46:26] <LatheBuilder2> Nice. I used to keep a lathe in my bedroom...moved to a house, now my wife is happy to let me use the whole garage
[22:46:28] <LatheBuilder2> =)
[22:47:04] <LatheBuilder2> Ya, nothing quite like chips stuck in your socks
[22:47:41] <JT-Shop> frame is done... time to spend with the wife now
[22:48:08] <andypugh> You get a lot more done without wives you know :-)
[22:48:46] <JT-Shop> yes, but I save a lot of time cooking and washing to make up for it
[22:49:01] <JT-Shop> I do a lot of the cooking cause I like to
[22:49:35] <andypugh> I don’t need to do washing. I am able to live in squalor :-)
[22:49:52] <JT-Shop> oh andypugh when I was taking about all the crap I did at the bank the other day, I've reduced my gravitational attraction in the last few years
[22:50:17] <JT-Shop> and built up strength riding the mountain bike
[22:50:44] <andypugh> I am trying to do the same.
[22:52:16] <JT-Shop> I find the older I get the more I think about my health and general shape... I no longer want to be round
[22:52:27] <andypugh> I just sent €25 to the guy who wrote Photorec. It’s free, but it has got me out of such a hole.
[22:52:28] <furrywolf> as soon as I find a wife, I'll start worrying about things like that.
[22:52:53] <andypugh> I think I could handle one on timeshare.
[22:53:02] <furrywolf> lol
[22:53:14] <JT-Shop> that the software that recovered your disk?
[22:53:21] * furrywolf has a smaller portion of women than andy to pick from
[22:53:31] <andypugh> (I am not entirely kidding, a good friend has two boyfriends, and that has worked well for them fo 20 years)
[22:53:32] <Tom_itx> andypugh, the free i saw was limited size recovery
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[22:53:59] <JT-Shop> I'm 15 stone and looking for 14 I think
[22:53:59] <furrywolf> polygamy has worked well for thousands of years. :P
[22:54:17] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Interesting, was that the Linux command line version?
[22:54:24] <Tom_itx> no
[22:54:32] <Tom_itx> windows iirc
[22:54:45] <andypugh> I need the Linux version, it’s running on the actual NAS
[22:55:31] <Tom_itx> http://www.wondershare.net/ad/data-recovery/?gclid=Cj0KEQjwo7auBRCOtoqn_s-G7aMBEiQAxArNrDFR5G7cXVRiH7ZFmXmazJS5e3m3jWxa5Yp64lSXzekaAvq48P8HAQ
[22:55:33] <andypugh> ssh root@backup.local / apt-get install testdisk
[22:55:36] <Tom_itx> unless that's something else
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[22:56:06] <andypugh> It is something else, you want:
http://www.cgsecurity.org
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[22:59:21] <Tom_itx> thanks. i'm sure some day i'll need it
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[23:00:37] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I get worried when I get close to 14 stone, but I am pretty short.
[23:03:41] <zeeshan> are you guys seriously talking in stones
[23:03:43] <zeeshan> you cavemen!
[23:03:44] <zeeshan> :P
[23:04:11] <andypugh> It’s all I understand for measurong people.
[23:04:27] <zeeshan> let me throw 10 stones at your head to correct that
[23:04:31] <zeeshan> :-)
[23:04:48] <zeeshan> its an interesting unit
[23:04:56] <andypugh> Which is very odd, because imperial measurments for anything else mean nothing to me. Like the 4000lb mill, I had no idea if that was heavy until I converted to kg
[23:05:35] <zeeshan> i just compare it to a car
[23:05:37] <zeeshan> to get a feel
[23:05:43] <zeeshan> but my gf is the same way, she understands kilos
[23:05:46] <zeeshan> not lb
[23:06:02] <andypugh> Yes, and I know a car is 1500-2500 kg. No idea what that is in lb
[23:06:08] <andypugh> Or, in fact, stones.
[23:06:11] <zeeshan> multiply by 2
[23:06:12] <zeeshan> :P
[23:06:21] <zeeshan> approx
[23:06:26] <furrywolf> if you mention kilos here, people think you're talking about heroin or meth.
[23:06:55] <andypugh> zeeshan: Yes, I know how to convert, but I have to, to get the sense.
[23:07:09] <zeeshan> im opposite
[23:07:11] <zeeshan> i gotta divide by 2
[23:07:15] <zeeshan> :-(
[23:07:18] <andypugh> I know that 1000kg is a lot to move by hand, and 100kg is a lot to lift by hand
[23:07:24] <zeeshan> weakling
[23:07:42] <zeeshan> andypugh: this spline shit
[23:07:46] <zeeshan> sigh :(
[23:07:59] <andypugh> But, I also know that 16 stone is “quite fat” and 6’ is “quite tall” and the meteric equivalents don’t mean the same to me.
[23:08:44] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/igYJlfo.jpg
[23:08:46] <zeeshan> slowly coming together
[23:08:57] <spline> zeeshan: :-P
[23:09:03] <zeeshan> spline hahaha
[23:09:05] <spline> hehe
[23:09:11] <furrywolf> andypugh: once me and three other people were loading a toyota V6 with transmission and transfer case into a truck. we were a ways away from the truck. we'd each grab a corner, walk a few feet, drop it back down, and rest. a friend of the guy we were getting it from walked over, and simply said "let me show you how it's done". we stood back, and he proceeded to squat, grab the engine+tranny+tcase, pick it up, carry it over to our truck, and set it in
[23:09:21] <andypugh> When my robot was 100kg i could handle it. When it went up to 120kg it was really quite hard to carry it up the stairs. In fact I am not sure I could, now.
[23:09:36] <zeeshan> andypugh: he's growing?
[23:09:50] <andypugh> No, I am aging.
[23:10:09] <andypugh> And mullered a knee in the interim.
[23:10:30] <andypugh> Or you mean the 100kg to 120kg? That was a rules change
[23:11:38] <furrywolf> what variety of robot?
[23:11:42] <andypugh> ( I am not talking about an actual robot, I am talking about a heavy radio control car with spikes)
[23:12:40] <furrywolf> so combat robot, then. :P
[23:13:00] <andypugh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKrdvYILb6w
[23:13:16] <andypugh> (Mine was SMIDSY)
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[23:14:12] <furrywolf> is craig charles actually a slob like lister? :P
[23:15:05] <andypugh> No, he’s a nice chap
[23:15:39] * furrywolf doesn't recognize the anouncer's voice, must have been after his time there
[23:15:59] <furrywolf> or is that before
[23:16:08] <andypugh> UK robotwars?
[23:16:46] <andypugh> We were in seris 3-7
[23:17:13] <furrywolf> I always figured if I did something like that, I'd build a shw walker. like all walkers, it might suck, but it'd be fun. :P
[23:17:38] <andypugh> Yeah, I think I might go crazy + rubbbish if it came back
[23:18:42] <furrywolf> I think the current rules here allow for double weight for walkers... a shw walker is friggin' huge.
[23:19:14] <andypugh> Philippa would wander up at interview time, the chap with the clipboard would give her 3 names and a fact. She would have a conversation, get all the names right, work in the fact, and move on. One take, right every time. Very impressive.
[23:20:02] <furrywolf> lol
[23:20:47] <andypugh> It’s the skill-set she was being paid for.
[23:20:59] <furrywolf> double weight, and explicit prohibitions against shuffling of any variety.
[23:21:04] <andypugh> Being super-cute was a bonus.
[23:21:52] * furrywolf doesn't care much about what people look like. BRAAAAINS.
[23:21:58] <andypugh> When we did an international challenge there was a “walker” from the US.
[23:23:07] <andypugh> It had a pair of 3-lobe eccentrics and three aluminium bars on each side. It worked pretty well, and the drive system was pretty tough. It “walked” at 1000 steps per minute
[23:23:42] <furrywolf> yeah, that's called shuffling now. it pissed a lot of people off.
[23:23:51] <furrywolf> it's banned. :)
[23:23:58] <andypugh> It was very loud and very funny :-)
[23:23:58] <furrywolf> or, at least, puts you in the non-walking weight limit.
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[23:25:27] <andypugh> I think they should bring it back. The world has changed. The folk who did it last time now have garages full of CNC, and instead of mystery black boxes that fail and can’t be replaced we have Arduinos that they sell in Maplin.
[23:26:30] <andypugh> Back then it was, basically, rubbish. Now it might be quite good.
[23:26:39] <furrywolf> I don't know about in the uk, but in the US there's non-telivised robot combat leagues.
[23:27:25] <andypugh> Yes, that exists in the UK too. But it doesn’t attract anyone even slightly normal.
[23:27:34] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40dd7FwK8YI one of the guys who did one of those is on irc somewhere around here... can't remember which machine or person though. lol
[23:28:47] <furrywolf> you think anyone in here is normal instead? :P
[23:29:36] <andypugh> One person on here is normal. The rest of you are freaks.
[23:29:56] * furrywolf must be that person
[23:29:58] <zeeshan> if youre ugly
[23:30:00] <zeeshan> dont talk to me
[23:30:00] <zeeshan> thx
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[23:30:37] <zeeshan> THAT MEANS YOU FURRY!!
[23:30:38] <zeeshan> jk
[23:30:39] * furrywolf signs zee up for that dating website only for non-ugly people
[23:30:51] <zeeshan> im SEXY where it counts
[23:31:21] <zeeshan> I cnc them slutty aluminum pieces at 2000 sfm!
[23:31:45] <Tom_itx> go polish your turd
[23:31:50] <zeeshan> LOL
[23:31:50] <zeeshan> nice
[23:34:23] <andypugh> furrywolf: That was some great driving there
[23:35:34] <zeeshan> ive got a playlist on youtube going
[23:35:43] <zeeshan> somehow it ended up to french rap
[23:35:44] <zeeshan> hmm
[23:35:46] <furrywolf> andypugh: driving is just as important as robot design when it comes to winning. you can give the a champion robot to an idiot and it'll lose halfway through the match...
[23:36:20] <andypugh> Our main strength was our driver (and, eventually, a very reliable robot)
[23:36:32] <furrywolf> sewer snake has a generally very good driver
[23:38:23] <andypugh> In my time the only properly destructive robot was Hypnodisc. Folk needed bin-bags to take their robot home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w04BgclPmY8
[23:38:55] <furrywolf> yes, I remember hypnodisc.
[23:38:59] <fenn> andypugh: what is the stand for your holbrook made out of? is it concrete?
[23:39:21] <furrywolf> there's a lot of really devestating kinetic energy weapons out there now
[23:39:40] <andypugh> fenn: No, it’s all cast iron
[23:40:20] <andypugh> But the drive train is huge and heavy:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bXi9y-7WGDJSi8r0Rhr6XNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[23:40:48] <andypugh> Big motor, bigger variator, 2-speed box
[23:42:00] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpjwvsIhH4 lol @ giving your opponent your spare parts. that's sportsmanship. :)
[23:42:58] <andypugh> Yes, one of our battles we could only fight because the opponent gave us some parts.
[23:43:10] <andypugh> They won, which seemed fair
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[23:46:47] <furrywolf> one of the videos is uploaded by user "Google Can Suck My Dick". I'm surprised they don't ban you for usernames like that.
[23:47:40] <zeeshan> rofl
[23:47:40] <zeeshan> rofl
[23:49:24] <furrywolf> that was one thing noticably different between scrapheap challenge and junkyard wars... the uk teams would always help each other out. the us teams far less commonly.
[23:50:19] <zeeshan> http://www.123dapp.com/catch/vise/4294559
[23:50:22] <zeeshan> can anyone open this link
[23:50:23] <zeeshan> or does it say
[23:50:28] <zeeshan> "Whoops, looks like something went wrong."
[23:51:19] <fenn> "Sign in to download"
[23:51:24] <zeeshan> wtf
[23:51:26] <zeeshan> is wrong with my browser
[23:51:35] <andypugh> My favourite robot of all when I was playing was Razer. It just so looked the part.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJxPLqO3EBE
[23:51:50] <zeeshan> ok had to restart browser
[23:51:52] <andypugh> zeeshan: I can see it. It looks nothing like
[23:52:07] <zeeshan> lol
[23:52:08] <zeeshan> i see it!!
[23:52:11] <zeeshan> its my milling vise!!
[23:52:14] <zeeshan> hahaha i love this app
[23:52:42] <andypugh> Ah, I thought it was the stool you are modelling
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[23:55:23] <ffurrywol> speaking of vises, I'm in the market for an old brown&sharpe vise to match my machine, if anyone has one getting rusty...
[23:56:13] <andypugh> I have a twin Kurt with no jaws free to a good home.
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[23:56:23] <deep_pink> HF stop with the 20% coupon?
[23:56:30] <zeeshan> ILL TAKE!
[23:56:31] <zeeshan> :P
[23:56:42] <andypugh> You pay postage?
[23:56:47] <zeeshan> ofcourse
[23:56:52] <zeeshan> why wouldnt you sell it?
[23:57:09] <andypugh> When I say “no jaws” I mean, only the funny wedgy things
[23:57:28] <andypugh> And it’s an 8”. far too big for my mill
[23:57:37] <zeeshan> damn i could use a twin jaw
[23:57:43] <zeeshan> er twin vise
[23:57:51] <zeeshan> i have a 7" single
[23:58:11] <ffurrywol> an might be a little large for my machine, might not...
[23:58:16] <ffurrywol> an 8"
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[23:58:34] <ffurrywol> my table's a bit over 4ft wide I think. heh.
[23:58:59] <andypugh> Like this, but more rusty, and with nothing above the base casting.
[23:59:01] <andypugh> http://www.directindustry.com/prod/kurt-manufacturing-industrial-products-division/product-100411-1168823.html
[23:59:26] <andypugh> I should probably sell the handle.
