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[00:00:15] <andypugh> Halscope would still be useful if you had encoder feedback back to LinuxCNC
[00:00:15] <just_pink> but the triver dont get ANY puls
[00:00:27] <just_pink> the cmputer is off
[00:00:36] <just_pink> no signals
[00:00:47] <just_pink> just the drives ON
[00:01:06] <andypugh> That doesn’t mean that the driver isn’t moving the motor up and down by tiny amounts at high speed and high current
[00:01:09] <just_pink> them the Z axis motor get hot
[00:01:26] <zeeshan> just_pink: servo drive?
[00:01:27] <zeeshan> or stepper?
[00:01:43] <just_pink> zeeshan: DC servo
[00:01:44] <andypugh> zeeshan: Looks like step/dir servo.
[00:01:55] <zeeshan> did you setup the current parameter correctly on the servo drive?
[00:01:57] <andypugh> So LinuxCNC thinks it’s a stepper
[00:02:19] <zeeshan> andypugh: sounds like mach sorcery
[00:03:31] <just_pink> one sec
[00:03:38] <just_pink> goint to check
[00:03:55] <andypugh> just_pink: You can see if it is the weight of the head by supprting the head on a sort-of seesaw so that it appears to weight less. Then see if the motor runs cooler.
[00:04:20] <just_pink> the loss the gib?
[00:04:26] <just_pink> to*
[00:04:26] <andypugh> I doubt that it is the current limit when the system is stationary.
[00:05:19] <andypugh> Loosening the gib would be an easier experiment than your proposal to lap the gib. (And I am not sure that lapping is ever the right answer, either)
[00:06:02] <just_pink> ok,
[00:06:04] <just_pink> the motor now is
[00:06:08] <zeeshan> it'd be pretty easy to find out how much current it is consuming
[00:06:15] <zeeshan> like someone else mentioned just hook up your multimeter in series
[00:06:19] <zeeshan> in the 10A section
[00:06:36] <just_pink> 33.6 C 92.5F
[00:07:17] <Tom_itx> maybe found the source of my 'noise'
[00:07:17] <just_pink> naybe to tune it without the machine?
[00:07:29] <just_pink> just on the table with no load?
[00:07:58] <andypugh> It is very hard to tune a “bare” motor. The load is very much part of the tuning.
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[00:08:50] <andypugh> If you disconnected the motor with the tuning you have now I pretty much guarantee that it would oscillate
[00:09:13] <PetefromTn_> does it get hot when the PC is in control and the millhead is NOT moving at all like it apparently does when the PC is NOT in control?
[00:09:17] <andypugh> You might even find that it would jump off the table and break stuff.
[00:10:04] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: I think that in this case (step-dir) the two situations are identical.
[00:10:41] <andypugh> It’s either getting no pulses because the PC is off, or getting no pulses because the PC isn’t sending any.
[00:11:00] <just_pink> andypugh: in the tunid the motor act as crazy, mone up and down, jump - so scarry, - THIS IS WHY I WANT TO CALL TO A TECHNICIAN
[00:11:15] <just_pink> PetefromTn_: the motor get hor only on ideling
[00:11:35] <andypugh> That’s interesting.
[00:11:41] <PetefromTn_> generally you want to PREtune the motor off the machine to at least a point where it is not going crazy and then move it to the machine and fine tune it...
[00:12:29] <Tom_itx> anybody know approximately how many differential inputs you can pull up with one resistor divider?
[00:12:31] <PetefromTn_> sounds like if it is ONLY getting hot when it is idle that it might be tuned too tight and it is oscillating at high freq maybe causing it to get hot?
[00:12:37] <Tom_itx> for single sided input use
[00:13:00] <andypugh> just_pink: You could try this: Make a note of where the pots are now. Then try half the P and the rest at 0. That should be a very soft tune, but still in control.
[00:13:33] <andypugh> That will answer the question about whether it is tuning.
[00:13:52] <andypugh> But it might just be normal. 60C is too hot to touch, but not hot enough to trouble a motor.
[00:14:11] <PetefromTn_> to be honest I had to play and futz with my Geckos and that motor for a long time before I got it to work right and it actually seemed to change occasionally. It was a real PIA honestly...
[00:14:46] <andypugh> just_pink: You probably already know more about your system than a technician. And you are more interested in the result.
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[00:16:15] <andypugh> (The situation that you are in, where you don’t know what the drives are actually doing) is why I prefer to put the control loop inside LinuxCNC. It might not give the same absolute performance sometimes, but you can at least see what is going on.
[00:16:32] <andypugh> And, unfortunately, I now need to sleep.
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[00:18:49] <just_pink> I trying to finig the job... step by step.. to not lose homing..
[00:18:55] <just_pink> :(
[00:19:05] <furrywolf> then finish it?
[00:22:57] <just_pink> then that the motor out from the machine to place with ociloscope..
[00:26:50] <just_pink> take*
[00:27:18] <just_pink> sorrry too much stress..
[00:28:24] <just_pink> my next project
[00:28:26] <just_pink> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z32BUEaoAgE
[00:37:14] <toastydeath> derp
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[00:45:12] <jdh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtq48VjrulE
[00:45:16] <jdh> some impressive chips
[00:48:59] <Tom_itx> meh, i could do that on my sherline :D
[00:49:22] <just_pink> FUUUCK
[00:49:46] <just_pink> Ok.. back to normal..
[00:50:07] <Tom_itx> ok why do they cut part of it dry and the rest with coolant?
[00:50:08] <just_pink> 1000mm/m 800RPM
[00:50:16] <jdh> just_pink: out of curiosity, why did you pick gecko servo drives?
[00:51:13] <just_pink> I get everithing from automationtechnologiesinc as a kit..
[00:51:44] <jdh> they have lots of kits
[00:53:14] <toastydeath> Tom_itx: depends on the insert material
[00:53:20] <jdh> they also sell mach, so....
[00:53:24] <just_pink> I've order the ball screw kit for the g0704 and the 4 axis servo kit
[00:53:25] <toastydeath> most high-heat inserts for hard milling cannot handle thermal shock
[00:54:13] <just_pink> everithnk work OK except og the over heating in the Z axis motor
[00:54:14] <jdh> which ball screw kit?
[00:54:34] <Tom_itx> i'll be darn if i can find the source of the noise on these inputs
[00:55:34] <just_pink> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/g0704-kit/g0704-cnc-kit-set
[00:55:36] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/bitfiles/Screenshot-HAL%20Oscilloscope.png
[00:56:14] <Tom_itx> the noise is pretty much the same bit pattern on all channels
[00:57:21] <jdh> oh. I just made mine
[00:57:56] <just_pink> 12 holes from 40 - DONE
[00:58:16] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: disconnect your pendant and ground the input pin on the mesa board.
[00:58:35] <Tom_itx> the pendant is disconnected
[00:58:46] <Tom_itx> if i remove the wire on each input it goes away
[00:58:58] <Tom_itx> the selected channel seems to be silent as well
[00:59:16] <furrywolf> is there any way you're operating without pullup/pulldown resistors?
[00:59:19] <Tom_itx> i measure ~1.73v dc on the inputs
[00:59:26] <furrywolf> ok, so you are.
[00:59:40] <Tom_itx> it's differential inputs and i'm using a R divider on the / side
[01:00:07] <Tom_itx> i may have to add pullups to them i guess
[01:00:09] <furrywolf> with nothing connected, the inputs should be 3.3, 5, or 0, depending on what you pull them to...
[01:00:18] <Tom_itx> funny, it worked fine before
[01:00:39] <furrywolf> does the board have built-in pullups? could they have been disabled? or damaged?
[01:00:45] <Tom_itx> it's on a 7i47S no the 7i90
[01:00:51] <Tom_itx> not*
[01:01:02] <Tom_itx> they are new boards
[01:02:35] <furrywolf> yay typos on the first page of the manual. interfface. lol
[01:02:48] <furrywolf> which pins are you using?
[01:04:04] <furrywolf> it seems that board is intended for rs422, not general-purpose i/o.
[01:04:13] <furrywolf> could be it doesn't have pullups, and you have to add them.
[01:05:14] <furrywolf> it does seem to have termination resistors. you might enable them for the pins you're using, if you're using rs422 rx pins as general purpose inputs.
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[01:40:47] <just_pink> http://9gag.com/gag/axG9RdK
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[04:48:59] <XXCoder> nice
[04:49:05] <XXCoder> wired up my cnc router
[04:49:16] <furrywolf> does it make chips?
[04:49:25] <XXCoder> X axis motor still disconnected so I just guessed on distance
[04:49:37] <XXCoder> nah next weekend will connect X axis motor and router mill
[04:49:41] <XXCoder> then finally chips
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[05:17:27] <just_pink> XXCoder: good to hear that!
[05:17:33] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:17:45] <XXCoder> used pretty many zip ties lol
[05:17:48] <just_pink> you are almost there..
[05:17:49] <XXCoder> control wires
[05:18:18] <just_pink> come here... 4000feet of wire to connet...
[05:19:12] <XXCoder> sure plane ticket and $1000 a day
[05:19:21] <toastydeath> derp
[05:19:35] <XXCoder> bring your own wires and tools
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[05:20:11] <just_pink> XXCoder: whare are you?
[05:20:54] <XXCoder> tacoma, washington lol
[05:20:58] <MacGalempsy> hello
[05:21:08] <XXCoder> gonna go to work tomorrow though lol
[05:22:36] <furrywolf> several years ago, I ordered some parts for my old edison cap lamps from the only store I could find with them, a fur trapping supply store. now, several times a year, I receive a catalog, about 3/8" thick, full of ways to kill innocent furry animals. I really wish they'd stop that.
[05:22:57] <just_pink> about 500$ to NY
[05:23:12] <XXCoder> furrywolf: reminds me of one electrics store mouser
[05:23:27] <XXCoder> for couple years they sent me 4 inches thick catalog
[05:23:34] <XXCoder> I ordered few leds and battery holders
[05:23:41] <XXCoder> so they got into loss lol
[05:23:57] <XXCoder> 3 inches actually but still very nthick
[05:24:07] <furrywolf> apparantly ancient cap lamps are popular among trappers.
[05:25:51] <just_pink> my husband sleep - I can't do much with the machine :(
[05:26:25] <furrywolf> go to sleep too?
[05:26:42] <furrywolf> I'm about to head to bed too. it's that time of day.
[05:27:33] <just_pink> furrywolf: but the life so short to spend the time on sleep
[05:27:40] <furrywolf> lol
[05:27:54] <XXCoder> wish dont need sleep
[05:29:37] <just_pink> I'm eating guava popsicle
[05:31:27] <furrywolf> eww
[05:31:30] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[05:32:38] <just_pink> good night
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[05:33:38] <XXCoder> night
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[05:50:35] <just_pink> XXCoder: I sooo bored
[05:52:14] <zeeshan-mill> me too
[05:52:56] <just_pink> I need to to so much stuff but I have no idea what todo.
[05:53:03] <zeeshan-mill> i really dislike production work
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[05:53:27] <just_pink> zeeshan-mill: what do you mean?
[05:53:42] <zeeshan-mill> im making those hubs
[05:53:45] <zeeshan-mill> its taking a while
[05:53:54] <zeeshan-mill> watching the same program run over and over
[05:54:38] <XXCoder> zeeshan-mill: try it when you has 3,000 parts lol
[05:54:47] <XXCoder> in least pay isnt bad
[05:55:11] <zeeshan-mill> hehe
[05:55:12] <just_pink> zeeshan-mill: how many left?
[05:55:25] <zeeshan-mill> 2 more for step 1
[05:55:27] <zeeshan-mill> =/
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[05:55:47] <XXCoder> so few lol
[05:56:14] <zeeshan-mill> but i gotta repeat step 2
[05:56:21] <zeeshan-mill> for all 10 parts again :(
[05:56:27] <zeeshan-mill> id like to finish that step and call it a night
[05:56:39] <XXCoder> still very few
[05:57:25] <zeeshan-mill> at least its not stainless!
[05:57:30] <XXCoder> seriously though
[05:57:30] <XXCoder> get a ebook reader
[05:57:38] <zeeshan-mill> wy
[05:57:39] <zeeshan-mill> why
[05:57:42] <zeeshan-mill> i can chat with you guys :D
[05:57:57] <XXCoder> read while its chugging along
[05:57:58] <zeeshan-mill> i need an atc
[05:58:06] <zeeshan-mill> then i can watch moves :D
[05:58:15] <just_pink> I have 26 holes tp do
[05:58:20] <XXCoder> lol had 300 stainless steel parts to run one time
[05:58:20] <XXCoder> it was nasty
[05:58:20] <XXCoder> tool change each say 15 parts
[05:58:20] <XXCoder> and very hard to check sizes and so on
[05:58:26] <XXCoder> it was a nightmare
[05:58:28] <zeeshan-mill> haha XXCoder
[05:58:32] <zeeshan-mill> what kind of tool
[05:58:34] <zeeshan-mill> end mills?
[05:58:39] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:58:39] <just_pink> but it's too late to machine wood with vaccume
[05:58:42] <zeeshan-mill> hehe
[05:58:56] <XXCoder> constantly changing that danged tool. and facemill (small one) too
[05:59:49] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[06:00:26] <XXCoder> if it never comes back it'll be too soon!
[06:02:02] <just_pink> XXCoder: If you have access to cnc machines why you make one?
[06:02:17] <XXCoder> I dont own those cnc machines
[06:02:32] <XXCoder> I techinically can do personal projects, managers allow that
[06:02:35] <XXCoder> but machines is always busy.
[06:03:49] <just_pink> what kind of education you need to work with them?
[06:04:12] <XXCoder> I had training and internship at other "training job" place
[06:04:22] <XXCoder> then got job at other place and worked since. 5 months now
[06:06:10] <just_pink> but how you start with it?
[06:06:27] <XXCoder> in my case it was by DVR
[06:06:51] <XXCoder> dept of voc. rehabilition, goverment dept that helps people get work
[06:06:52] <just_pink> DRV?
[06:07:00] <XXCoder> or help improve work so on
[06:07:00] <just_pink> hoo
[06:07:27] <just_pink> I'm in IT
[06:07:48] <XXCoder> information techology?
[06:07:56] <just_pink> yes..
[06:08:02] <XXCoder> cool
[06:08:10] <XXCoder> never could find a job in IT and CS majors
[06:10:37] <XXCoder> dont get me wrong, I like running cnc machines
[06:10:41] <just_pink> I want to learn something
[06:10:45] <XXCoder> but I rather be sitting on desk doing programming
[06:11:14] <just_pink> I like to work with the cam programs.
[06:11:47] <just_pink> I lnow what i want.. and make with the program..
[06:11:52] <just_pink> know*
[06:11:54] <XXCoder> awesome
[06:11:59] <XXCoder> is it hard to do cam?
[06:12:07] <just_pink> no
[06:12:08] <XXCoder> I want to evenually move to either inspections or cam
[06:12:17] <XXCoder> is jobs there hard to get?
[06:12:19] <just_pink> super easy!
[06:12:46] <XXCoder> interesting
[06:13:09] <just_pink> you do 3d or 2d jobs?
[06:13:16] <XXCoder> both
[06:13:20] <XXCoder> most common 3d
[06:13:46] <just_pink> hsm expess can do up to 2.5D
[06:13:56] <XXCoder> old training job I basically ran a machine on my own, and it was all 2d. I think I like 2d jobs a lot more.
[06:14:22] <just_pink> manual machine?
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[06:14:31] <XXCoder> no, cnc
[06:15:01] <XXCoder> hsmexpress is nice but must have solidworks
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[06:15:43] <just_pink> I know basic G-code, and know very good how to wor with solidworks, and hsm express, and also linux
[06:16:07] <XXCoder> I dont use windows anymore
[06:16:17] <just_pink> ok...
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[06:18:34] <zeeshan-mill> cant you use hsm in inventor
[06:18:35] <zeeshan-mill> also
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[06:19:04] <XXCoder> dunno
[06:19:17] <XXCoder> still figuring some stuff but I plan to just use linuxcnc image to path function
[06:19:20] <XXCoder> for now
[06:19:31] <zeeshan-mill> get your machine finished!
[06:19:40] <XXCoder> it is nearly complete
[06:19:52] <zeeshan-mill> whats left
[06:19:58] <XXCoder> basic functions anyway I still am not sure how to connect limit switches
[06:20:10] <zeeshan-mill> what breakout board are you using
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[06:20:26] <XXCoder> oh I has cable and stuff it should be easy
[06:20:34] <XXCoder> hard part is how to position em
[06:20:37] <XXCoder> and attach so on
[06:21:36] <zeeshan-mill> drill some holes :)
[06:22:03] <XXCoder> yea thinking about that,. gonna learn more about tapping too
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[06:24:29] <zeeshan-mill> yay last part for step 1
[06:25:29] <XXCoder> nice
[06:29:19] <XXCoder> zeeshan-mill: what should I use for holding limit switches?
[06:29:36] <XXCoder> it looks like has ~2 mm hole for it
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[06:34:19] <archivist> screws
[06:34:38] <XXCoder> well need bit more detail :)
[06:34:55] <XXCoder> I'm trying to figure what sizes so on so I can buy drill and tap stuff for it
[06:35:06] <XXCoder> but not really a priority since machine will work without it
[06:37:36] <archivist> 2mm sounds about right
[06:38:33] <XXCoder> cool
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[08:33:13] <XXCoder> yo
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[08:55:53] <Deejay> moin
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[10:40:10] * ganzuul applied for a job! \o/
[10:40:25] <XXCoder> good luck
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[11:02:16] <ganzuul> ty :)
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[11:20:59] <archivist> I wonder how much a shop would charge to grind up a test bar
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[12:18:36] * Tom_itx generously shares the weather with jthornton: http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?animate=true&location=USKS0523
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[12:30:31] <jthornton> pretty wet out there and I have to go work on some well pumping controls today
[12:34:02] <Tom_itx> better take your hip waders
[12:34:58] <Tom_itx> and maybe a canoe
[12:35:11] <_methods> hehe
[12:36:19] <_methods> just don't get in the canoe with annie lennox's daughter
[12:36:36] <_methods> oh nm that was a kayak
[12:44:43] <SpeedEvil> jthornton: keep your pump hand strong.
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[13:59:45] <membiblio> good morning (east coast usa) everyone - why is comp not found in the ubuntu 14.04 version of linux cnc? Where is comp located, physically, in ubuntu linux cnc?
[14:00:24] <skunkworks> it changed names at some point. halcompile I think
[14:00:41] <skunkworks> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/halcompile.1.html
[14:00:51] <skunkworks> otherwise do you have the dev stuff installed?
[14:01:01] <membiblio> halcompile is also not found
[14:01:27] <skunkworks> then you don't have the development stuff installed
[14:01:46] <membiblio> I changed over to ubuntu to be closer to the environment that another linuxcnc user uses - imho the deb version is superior for several reasons
[14:02:36] <skunkworks> sudo apt-get build-dep linuxcnc
[14:02:39] <skunkworks> I thinhk
[14:02:53] <membiblio> Are the devs developing for deb or ubu?
[14:04:28] <cradek> you need to install linuxcnc-dev if you want halcompile
[14:04:46] <cradek> I personally run debian wheezy, and that's what our latest install cd is
[14:05:09] <SEL> hello
[14:07:02] <membiblio> cradek - I believe that is what I started with - the gui seems less compelling than ubu but linuxcnc seems to be more 'fleshed out' in the deb version
[14:07:12] <pcw_home> Not a dev or linux expert but I have linuxcnc running on wheezy, Ubuntu 14.04 and Mint 17.1, dont recall and major issues
[14:07:28] <pcw_home> s/and/any/
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[14:17:38] <membiblio> sudo apt-get install linuxcnc-dev -> seems to have provided 'comp
[14:17:51] <membiblio> Thank you everyone
[14:18:02] <membiblio> cradek thank you
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[14:33:48] <skunkworks> that's it.. sorry
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[14:39:44] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0E0mafpTHA
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[15:06:42] <ssi> morn
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[15:13:40] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[15:17:00] <Deejay> o/
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[15:39:29] <ssi> PetefromTn_:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peunRyWJMDc
[15:42:28] <CaptHindsight> KDE 5 has ruined KDE
[15:42:35] <ssi> kde ruined kde
[15:43:03] <CaptHindsight> and Mate still isn't back up to Gnome 2 features
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[15:44:43] <CaptHindsight> taskbars that have more steps to configure than a VCR clock
[15:53:09] <PetefromTn_> ssi looks nice man good music choice too
[15:56:35] <_methods> kde lol
[15:56:53] <_methods> xfce FTW
[15:57:29] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I was screwing around in the clouds like that and listening to music, and that song played, and I actually landed to get my camera and went back up and did it again :P
[15:58:02] <PetefromTn_> kinda reminds me of what I do on a sportybike on lonely back roads only without the headphones LOL
[15:59:41] <ssi> the video makes it look gentle and lazy but it's actually pretty strenuous
[15:59:47] <ssi> some of those turns around the clouds are 4-5G
[16:00:00] <PetefromTn_> Kinda wish I had the Balls/cash to get a pilots license it looks like it would be a lot of fun but I have trouble keeping both my cars running good half the time let alone an airplane
[16:00:11] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I use different desktops for different systems, xfce is a pain with 3-4 monitors at different rez
[16:00:26] <PetefromTn_> Oh believe me I know JUST how strenous yanking and banking can be it will sure take it out of you after awhile...
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[16:14:02] <Loetmichel> soom made a little journey to cambridge and am now back in the Hotel in london. cn anyone suggest a nice place to get a nice afternoon tea here around the Grange tower bridge hotel? preferably cheap ;-)
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[16:38:39] <archivist> a bit late for a cheap afternoon tea
[16:39:09] <archivist> london prices are rarely cheap
[16:39:45] <PetefromTn_> most big city prices are a bit ridiculous let alone London UK hehe
[16:39:52] <archivist> you need a back street workers cafe for cheap but those will be shutting now
[16:40:26] <archivist> they are 7am to 3 ish
[16:40:31] <PetefromTn_> like a $38.00 pizza in Chicago LOL
[16:40:48] * zeeshan is still scratching his head trying to figure out why a part loosened up on him in a vise
[16:40:50] <zeeshan> and almost flew out
[16:41:18] * zeeshan sends mint leaves to archivist
[16:41:25] <zeeshan> mint plant is out of control
[16:41:29] <archivist> I hate tea :)
[16:41:36] <zeeshan> lies
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[16:42:19] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: Is it going mintal?
[16:42:30] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: ill snap some pics
[16:42:32] <archivist> I would say the bench centres are better than my "test" bar (a bit of ground shaft)
[16:42:33] <zeeshan> im just curious why it dfid it
[16:42:39] <zeeshan> im gonna make another jig thats more secure
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[16:55:04] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, on the 7i47 do i want the terminating resistors enabled or disabled if i'm using the pin as GPIO with a resistor divider on the / input?
[16:55:38] <Tom_itx> i'm getting ~1.73v on the pin with some digital noise i can't seem to locate
[16:55:43] <Tom_itx> yet.
[16:57:10] <Tom_itx> it's on the pendant axis select io pins however i get it even with the pendant unplugged
[16:58:26] <fenn> KAOS 2 axis parallel kinematic robot:
http://youtu.be/i5jGBE-Xcg4
[16:58:45] <fenn> so simple
[17:00:51] <zeeshan> http://ultraimg.com/images/FePoBJa.jpg
[17:01:03] <zeeshan> how i held the main parts when machining, they all machined fine and was very secure
[17:01:11] <zeeshan> http://ultraimg.com/images/vV733bA.jpg
[17:01:30] <zeeshan> make an alumiunum jig to hold the parts to do the other side , and held the aluminum jig in the same vise setup
[17:01:35] <zeeshan> and it got loose upon machining :/
[17:02:02] <zeeshan> displacing the part 0.75" higher makes that big off a diff?
[17:02:11] <ssi> zeeeeeee
[17:02:13] <zeeshan> hi
[17:02:47] <Tom_itx> maybe you should have cut a round pocket in softjaws
[17:03:01] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: but why was it woreking fine before
[17:03:05] <zeeshan> thats whats messing with me
[17:03:15] <Tom_itx> i ask the same question about my pendant
[17:03:20] <zeeshan> i was taking even deeper cuts!
[17:03:24] <Tom_itx> why was it working fine before???
[17:03:31] <zeeshan> haha
[17:03:47] <Tom_itx> the one last thing to fix
[17:03:58] <zeeshan> i think im gonna make a rectangular plate
[17:04:01] <zeeshan> and get more grip
[17:04:12] <fenn> different amounts of clamping force?
[17:04:16] <Tom_itx> rectangular plate doesn't match well with a round part
[17:04:25] <zeeshan> you aint getting me
[17:04:38] <Tom_itx> bolt it to the plate?
[17:04:39] <zeeshan> the rect plate will have a round protrusion on it
[17:04:42] <zeeshan> to locate part
[17:04:46] <zeeshan> and thru holes to allow me to bolt
[17:04:50] <zeeshan> i hate blind holes so much
[17:04:58] <zeeshan> they really limit your mounting options
[17:05:07] <Tom_itx> dowel pin the non threaded ones
[17:05:15] <zeeshan> its not an accurate hole
[17:05:16] <zeeshan> just 1/4"
[17:05:32] <zeeshan> the 1.125" bore is is accurate
[17:05:33] <Tom_itx> better than nothing
[17:05:40] <Tom_itx> ok
[17:06:09] <Tom_itx> what are the extra thinner parts?
[17:06:33] <zeeshan> gotta machine em still
[17:06:35] <zeeshan> thats the otehr side
[17:06:41] <Tom_itx> those weren't on the original blueprint
[17:06:55] <zeeshan> what you are seeing is work in progress :)
[17:07:35] <Tom_itx> hope it blends ok
[17:07:50] <Tom_itx> make sure your plate is flat in the vise
[17:08:00] <fenn> why are you even using that round aluminum jig?
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[17:08:25] <Tom_itx> i'd use softjaws personally
[17:08:33] <zeeshan> fenn why not? :P
[17:08:51] <fenn> the part can be lower in the vise and have less leverage to squirm free
[17:09:02] <fenn> without it
[17:09:06] <zeeshan> i cant put it lower inthe vise
[17:09:13] <zeeshan> the bolts wont go in / come out then
[17:09:31] <fenn> you didnt need any bolts to machine the other side
[17:09:53] <Tom_itx> the 2nd op is just to finish the OD and do the taper
[17:09:56] <Tom_itx> i'd use softjaws
[17:10:16] <zeeshan> what fenn?
[17:10:37] <zeeshan> the 2nd op isn't that..
[17:10:48] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/6BGiPSi.png
[17:10:58] <fenn> the first setup FePoBJa.jpg worked fine, yes? why not just do that again for the other side?
[17:10:58] <zeeshan> the second op machines that step on the other side
[17:11:04] <zeeshan> and finishes the part to size
[17:11:08] <zeeshan> and drills a .5 hole in the center
[17:11:26] <zeeshan> fenn: because i dont want to dial each part in every time
[17:11:42] <zeeshan> cause everytime i open the vise and put a new part in
[17:11:44] <zeeshan> it loses position
[17:11:58] <zeeshan> cause it seems like that soft jaw is doing what it's supposed to..
[17:12:00] <zeeshan> crushing!
[17:12:04] <zeeshan> so the part shifts a bit
[17:12:16] <zeeshan> which means i have to go in and realign the spindle to the part
[17:12:20] <fenn> won't the jig do that too?
[17:12:20] <zeeshan> if i have a jig, i dont need to do that
[17:12:23] <zeeshan> no
[17:12:28] <zeeshan> cause the jig is held in the entire time
[17:12:29] <fenn> it's made of the same material
[17:12:31] <zeeshan> only the part is removed
[17:13:03] <zeeshan> basiucally i needed a way to bolt the parts
[17:13:06] <zeeshan> without moving the jig
[17:13:07] <fenn> oh i see, that's why the bolts are hard to get out
[17:13:09] <zeeshan> since the jig is dialed in
[17:13:22] <zeeshan> yea!! :(
[17:13:24] <zeeshan> damn blind holes
[17:13:39] <fenn> then you need a rectangular plate so your jig doesn't get crushed
[17:13:54] <zeeshan> yea i think ill machine a rect plate
[17:13:58] <fenn> a rectangular jig
[17:13:59] <zeeshan> and then bolt the parts on to that
[17:14:09] <zeeshan> and i hope to hell the rect jig doesnt fly out!! :P
[17:19:13] <Tom_itx> i'm telling you if you'd have made a softjaw to fit the OD you wouldn't be having this problem
[17:19:31] <zeeshan> the locating problem?
[17:19:38] <Tom_itx> yes
[17:19:58] <zeeshan> im almost tempted to try your theory out
[17:20:01] <zeeshan> cause its the quickest to do
[17:20:07] <zeeshan> all i gotta do is machine the jaw in place right now
[17:20:08] <zeeshan> and try it
[17:20:40] <zeeshan> but what if youre wrong?
[17:20:51] <zeeshan> do i get to send you rotten tomatos?
[17:20:54] <Tom_itx> your cad cam will have to know where your 2nd op is located off of
[17:21:07] <zeeshan> i have a bastard rabbit in the garden
[17:21:18] <zeeshan> who likes to eat one bit of my tomatos and leave the rest.
[17:21:29] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: that is fine
[17:21:34] <zeeshan> as long as i can jst load the part and press go
[17:21:38] <zeeshan> after setting it up once
[17:21:48] <Tom_itx> mill a chunk of wood for a setup part
[17:21:59] <zeeshan> i dont think the round soft jaw will work
[17:22:00] <fenn> zeeshan you know what a kinematic mount is?
[17:22:02] <zeeshan> you know why?
[17:22:18] <Tom_itx> try it. we always did that on 2nd ops for holding profiled parts unless they needed to be indexed for a reason
[17:22:26] <zeeshan> because the aluminum jaw will crush
[17:22:30] <zeeshan> moving the center position of the part
[17:22:41] <Tom_itx> it will have more surface contact
[17:22:48] <zeeshan> fenn: are you talking aboput a spherical mount?
[17:23:01] <zeeshan> it will have more contact , wont fly out
[17:23:06] <zeeshan> but itll still not be located accurately
[17:23:24] <Tom_itx> there are multiple ways you can hold it
[17:23:32] <Tom_itx> i'm suggesting one that also works
[17:23:55] <Tom_itx> your plug will work as well as long as the rectangle is flat in the vise and doesn't move
[17:24:12] <Tom_itx> it'll make it harder to change parts by unbolting them from the bottom
[17:24:15] <zeeshan> yea, i think im gonna use that method
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[17:24:24] <Tom_itx> suit yourself
[17:24:42] <Tom_itx> either of those ways would work fine. mine is easier to clamp
[17:24:48] <zeeshan> yours is definitely easier to clamp
[17:24:49] <zeeshan> and work with
[17:24:52] <zeeshan> but i think the center line will move
[17:24:57] <zeeshan> cause the aluminum will crush
[17:24:58] <Tom_itx> i don't
[17:25:05] <zeeshan> because that is what is doing with the v jaw
[17:25:14] <Tom_itx> you will have more surface contact
[17:25:18] <zeeshan> you can see a visible dent
[17:25:31] <fenn> the fact that you're using a mill instead of a lathe means this part isn't that accurate on the radius anyway
[17:25:39] <zeeshan> fenn: i already measured it
[17:25:43] <zeeshan> its well within 5 tenths
[17:25:52] <zeeshan> mill is good!
[17:26:28] <zeeshan> why do people frown up circular interpolation
[17:26:34] <zeeshan> you're not the only one whos said this
[17:26:42] <zeeshan> no faith in circular interp
[17:27:08] <Rab> zeeshan, what's the resolution of your mill?
[17:27:19] <fenn> well anyway if you want your plate/jig to end up in exactly the same place after removing and replacing you need to have the minimum number of contact points between the plate and whatever is holding the plate
[17:27:38] <fenn> otherwise you get random error due to overconstraint in the bolted joint
[17:27:39] <zeeshan> rab it seems to hold 2 tenths on actual parts
[17:27:56] <zeeshan> like for example all those od are within 2 tenths of each other
[17:28:04] <zeeshan> runout of the part is 5 tenths
[17:28:12] <just_pink_> hi
[17:29:25] <zeeshan> fenn: i really like the solid jig and tom's method
[17:29:33] <zeeshan> i just wish there was something more convinient than both
[17:29:49] <Tom_itx> you will need some fat softjaws
[17:29:51] <zeeshan> cause i know ill encounter this problem later on in my future day time job
[17:29:57] <Tom_itx> the more you grip the better it will do
[17:30:02] <zeeshan> and i wanna know the simple solution
[17:30:11] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: the jaw isn't deflecting though
[17:30:15] <zeeshan> its indentnding
[17:30:22] <Tom_itx> we generally put a sacrificial piece between them and mill the profile then remove it
[17:30:22] <zeeshan> so imagine a half circle like you're thinking
[17:30:25] <zeeshan> when you go clamp it down
[17:30:36] <Tom_itx> 2 half circles
[17:30:37] <zeeshan> the square end of the round bar bites into the jaw
[17:30:41] <zeeshan> and shifts it's position
[17:30:43] <Tom_itx> 2 half circles
[17:30:45] <Tom_itx> 2 half circles
[17:30:49] <zeeshan> OH
[17:30:53] <zeeshan> you want 2 soft jaws
[17:30:55] <Tom_itx> both sides
[17:30:56] <zeeshan> with 2 circles
[17:30:58] <zeeshan> okay that'll work
[17:31:05] <Tom_itx> i know it will
[17:31:15] <Tom_itx> just separate them a bit when you mill the hole
[17:31:30] <Tom_itx> with a 1/4" piece of aluminum
[17:32:22] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/P2.jpg
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[17:32:31] <Tom_itx> i clamped that profile the same way
[17:32:37] <Tom_itx> for P2
[17:32:50] <zeeshan> fak
[17:33:06] <zeeshan> i shoulda ordered those monster jaws :(
[17:33:27] <Tom_itx> we did that all the time to hold P2 parts
[17:33:39] <fenn> what is P2?
[17:33:44] <Tom_itx> position 2
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[17:34:24] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/P3.jpg
[17:34:36] <Tom_itx> P3 cut the center slot and drilled 2 holes
[17:35:03] <fenn> is P2 like saying "second op"?
[17:35:08] <Tom_itx> yes
[17:35:16] <Tom_itx> less typing :D
[17:35:35] <Tom_itx> we'd make a setup sheet showing P1 P2 P...
[17:35:41] <Tom_itx> for the ops
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[17:37:27] <Tom_itx> out to cut tree branches after the storm...
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[17:39:22] <just_pink_> Tom_itx: this is a cam software?
[17:40:23] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: your smart cam
[17:40:24] <zeeshan> jeez
[17:40:24] <zeeshan> :-)
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[17:42:28] <just_pink_> it's look like windows 95?
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[18:04:06] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv0ZGQE3ehw
[18:05:00] <cradek> wow, 3 screen updates a second
[18:05:16] <cradek> nice smooth motion, though
[18:11:48] <fenn> i think it's safe to say the electronics are not the limiting factor on this one
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[18:14:37] <fenn> the beagleboard should easily be able to render AXIS if the GPU were functioning
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[18:16:51] <fenn> i need to find a place like this around here
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/local_stock/stock_index.php
[18:23:55] <Tom_itx> zeeshan ??
[18:24:01] <zeeshan> hi
[18:24:08] <zeeshan> sorry i was poking fun
[18:24:09] <zeeshan> :P
[18:24:11] <Tom_itx> what about my smart cam?
[18:24:24] <Tom_itx> did it work?
[18:24:29] <zeeshan> did what work
[18:24:50] <Tom_itx> well how are you gonna hold P2?
[18:25:45] <zeeshan> rect jig
[18:25:51] <zeeshan> looked in my material pile
[18:25:54] <Tom_itx> pfft
[18:25:55] <zeeshan> i dont have any flat bar left in 6061
[18:26:07] <zeeshan> which upsets me!
[18:26:13] <Tom_itx> make it outta SS
[18:26:30] <Tom_itx> or Ti
[18:26:50] <Tom_itx> better yet Tungsten
[18:27:33] <zeeshan> hah
[18:27:53] <skunkworks> I would suspend it magnicically in a super conducting jig
[18:28:01] <fenn> ferrofluid
[18:29:27] <fenn> next project: aluminum fountain, blend your desired alloy from an assortment of concentrated metal solutions
[18:30:59] <zeeshan> this is what happens when too many smart people hang out together
[18:31:07] <zeeshan> some out of the world ideas :-)
[18:31:39] <skunkworks> na.. I know just enough to be quite dangerous
[18:31:47] <fenn> but it's so inconvenient waiting for the metal to melt, wouldn't it be better to just keep it on tap
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[18:35:26] <SpeedEvil> fenn: Fun fact.
[18:35:33] <SpeedEvil> Mixing metals releases lots of heat
[18:37:07] <Tom_itx> zeeshan well you rejected my first solution so i figured i'd elaborate a bit
[18:37:34] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: at least you don't call me arrogant
[18:37:40] <zeeshan> :-)
[18:37:46] <Tom_itx> you arrogant ass
[18:37:52] <zeeshan> theres 293082309283 ways to do something
[18:37:57] <zeeshan> some people find a certain way easier
[18:38:14] <Tom_itx> you should seriously get used to making jigs like that
[18:38:32] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Name 293082309282 of them
[18:38:37] <Tom_itx> we always kept all thicknesses of softjaws on the shelf
[18:38:40] <zeeshan> i woulda attempted to do the jaws if i had the material
[18:38:54] <zeeshan> yea it seems like i need to order a bunc hof 3/4" 6061 flat bar
[18:39:00] <zeeshan> prolly 2" diameter
[18:39:04] <zeeshan> unless i can get it in 1 7/8
[18:39:05] <Tom_itx> from .500 clear up to 1.5" or so
[18:39:32] <Tom_itx> you don't need it that thick, just space the jaws further apart before machining it
[18:39:40] <Tom_itx> less surface grip but it would still hold
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[18:53:28] <Loetmichel> *sweat* *pant* soo, after a walk to the tower and back we got a nice fish and chips each and a shot run to tscos e now have enough fluids for me to refill the sweat i lost today pushing my wifes wheelcair :-)
[19:00:15] <Deejay> with vinnegar?
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[19:08:12] <Loetmichel> vinnegar?
[19:08:15] <Loetmichel> where?
[19:09:03] <Loetmichel> GB "chips" are "pommes", Deejay
[19:09:22] <Loetmichel> not "crisps" = german chips
[19:09:28] <SpeedEvil> Loetmichel: yes, that wasn't his point
[19:09:43] <SpeedEvil> It was the only liquid potentially in that list
[19:10:56] <Loetmichel> teh run at tescos yielded some orage juie, cherry pepsi, a lot of sparkling water and a few liters milk. no vinnegar
[19:11:29] <Loetmichel> just becuse the minibarprices here are simply insane
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[19:45:28] <ganzuul> Trying to overcome my fear and suspicion of LinkedIn...
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[19:47:44] <PetefromTn_> I've been on there for awhile never really had any problems with it but I cannot say it has helped at all either perhaps I am not in the RIGHT circles LOL
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[19:48:35] <Connor> I don't care much for LinkedIN
[19:48:42] <ganzuul> Apparently having a picture of yourself looking business-like is really important.
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[19:51:35] <ganzuul> I'm a typical NERD in some cases, so I have been trying to avoid people for a long time. Trying to change that...
[19:51:45] <ganzuul> ~senses
[19:54:31] <CaptHindsight> rent a costume and pose as King Lear or a pantomime Queen Elizabeth
[19:54:55] <ganzuul> :p
[19:55:10] <PetefromTn_> that must be the problem because my profile is just my ugly mug at dinner with my wife LOL
[19:55:47] <ganzuul> Not that sense. Specifically. I just think most people are too stoopid to be tolerated. I'm sure there are people out there who are S.M.R.T. like me.
[19:57:13] <ganzuul> Actually I have met a lot of people who are both smart and nice, but when you have that combo, usually they don't know anything.
[19:57:20] <PetefromTn_> Oh you are Homer simpson smart then hehe
[19:57:30] <ganzuul> Maybe it's knowledge itself that makes people cynical and grumpy...
[19:58:13] <CaptHindsight> ignorance is a bliss
[19:58:31] <Rab> I think fear and suspicion of LinkedIn is completely warranted. LinkedIn tries to access your business email contacts so it can spam them to join with messages "sent" by you. I think it can easily provide more harm to your professional image than benefit.
[19:58:54] <_methods> just sign up using mailinator
[19:59:21] <Rab> If you have to provide fake info, it's failed as a trustworthy networking tool.
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[19:59:31] <ganzuul> Like trying to convince people in 1995 that Menwith Hill is probably there for a reason. But noo, I'm just paranoid. Then Snowden comes along, and suddenly us cryptophreaks were vindicated... But it was too late then.
[19:59:35] <PetefromTn_> meh other than personal friends and their businesses the only contacts I have received requests from were headhunters for companies
[19:59:36] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I get "do you know this person? mails from them from 10 years ago
[19:59:51] <CaptHindsight> and it's just some sales rep I asked pricing from
[20:00:15] <PetefromTn_> that is I think because they base it on your email contacts LOL
[20:01:17] <_methods> oh people use linkedin for networking lol
[20:01:26] <PetefromTn_> some actually do
[20:01:28] <ganzuul> I use a gmail address. The way they deal with spam seems to be very good.
[20:01:28] <_methods> i thought it was facebook for boring people
[20:01:44] <_methods> and sales douchebags
[20:01:56] <Rab> _methods, perhaps you are thinking of Google+.
[20:02:15] <_methods> no google+ is only used by google employees
[20:02:18] <_methods> lol
[20:02:22] <_methods> facebook for google
[20:02:34] <_methods> facegoogle
[20:02:34] <ssi> lol
[20:02:36] <CaptHindsight> now Linkedin sells you a Pro plan where you can see everyone that looked at your profile
[20:02:39] <ssi> goobook
[20:02:40] <Rab> touche
[20:02:48] <_methods> hahah
[20:02:53] <CaptHindsight> and you can poke more deeply into people outside your network
[20:03:15] <_methods> foogle
[20:03:19] <CaptHindsight> LinkFace
[20:03:24] <PetefromTn_> I used Google plus for about two days before I realized it hijacked my youtube account...then it was done for LOL
[20:03:25] <_methods> hahah
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[20:03:58] <ganzuul> LinkMyFace++
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[20:04:14] <_methods> google+ was a pretty good flop
[20:04:22] <_methods> up there with new coke
[20:04:36] <ganzuul> Some videos let you comment without a g+ account.
[20:05:01] <PetefromTn_> it would probably have been fine if they did not try to TIE it into everything google and basically try to force it down your throat...
[20:05:01] <_methods> they broke g+ away from youtube now
[20:05:09] <_methods> you don't need to have an acct anymore
[20:05:14] <_methods> google finally admitted defeat
[20:05:23] <_methods> and photos
[20:05:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah after thousands of people bitched about it
[20:05:26] <CaptHindsight> eh New Coke was just a diversion to change the formula from sugar to corn syrup
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[20:05:56] <ganzuul> In case someone missed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTq8TrA3hb4
[20:06:06] <ganzuul> NSFW lyrics
[20:06:06] <CaptHindsight> they might be killing Google Voice next
[20:06:15] <ganzuul> Catchy though
[20:06:52] <CaptHindsight> make you use Hangouts or similar to make calls
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[20:09:28] <_methods> i thought they already did kill voice
[20:10:13] <CaptHindsight> maybe it was Google Talk that they killed
[20:10:24] <CaptHindsight> Voice still lives
[20:11:10] <_methods> ahhh
[20:11:12] <_methods> yeah talk
[20:13:01] <_methods> google isn't scared to kill some stuff off
[20:13:23] <CaptHindsight> yeah, privacy, do no evil etc etc
[20:13:27] <XXCoder> googles trying to transit to nonfree software
[20:13:33] <_methods> i'm still rather bitter about them killing off google reader
[20:13:54] <CaptHindsight> the first one is free...
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[20:20:54] <CaptHindsight> well the applications really aren't free, you trade your privacy for them and they sell what info they harvest from you as well as target ads to you
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[20:23:52] <ssi> if the app is free, then you are the product
[20:24:04] <ssi> they sell you to their advertising partners
[20:26:08] <CaptHindsight> most don't seem to mind
[20:26:23] <CaptHindsight> even when it's clearly explained to them
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[20:29:28] <XXCoder> Moooo
[20:30:26] <Rab> zeeshan, you around?
[20:35:16] <CaptHindsight> _methods: do you use XFCE for your Linuxcnc desktop?
[20:36:57] <fenn> if you're considering xfce, take a look at lxde too
[20:37:21] <fenn> lightweight xfce :)
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[20:55:57] <ganzuul> The tech behind KDE is pretty solid... A bit bloaty implementation though.
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[20:56:16] <ganzuul> Qt. Only way to do C++.
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[21:09:30] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:48:48] <norias> wtf
[21:58:44] <_methods> CaptHindsight: yes
[21:58:55] <_methods> and for my laptop desktop
[21:59:12] <_methods> laptop
[21:59:13] <CaptHindsight> ganzuul: just tried KDE 5 in FC22, broken broken broken
[21:59:19] <_methods> not desktop lol
[21:59:32] <CaptHindsight> should have left it alone like Gnome
[22:00:06] <_methods> i've found all the "lightweight" desktops to be much better than gnome or kde
[22:00:17] <CaptHindsight> been using LXDE or Mate more for Linuxcnc installs
[22:00:19] <_methods> they just put too much garbage in them anymore
[22:00:47] <CaptHindsight> i certainly don't need or want the effects
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[22:01:10] <_methods> thats why i've stuck with xfce
[22:01:24] <_methods> nothing fancy it just works
[22:01:26] <CaptHindsight> I just like having multiple screens with multiple apps open at the same time with icons to launch common apps on the taskbar
[22:01:40] <CaptHindsight> on my desktop machine
[22:01:44] <_methods> yeah multimon is a problem with xfce i guess
[22:01:52] <_methods> i've never tried to do multimon on it
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[22:06:04] <CaptHindsight> all except for maybe Gnome3 work well for a single monitor
[22:07:19] <CaptHindsight> it's 2+ monitors and having audio out from multiple sources (analog, HDMI) where it gets tricky
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[22:10:19] <CaptHindsight> but I guess having applications close or open by having them shake, turn to snowflakes, then arrange themselves into animated characters or a corporate logo then fall to the bottom taskbar while an animated vacuum cleaner sucks them up is a bit overboard for me :)
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[22:17:40] <andypugh> Last night I made 12 little spacers for a job. It was a bit dull.
[22:17:53] <andypugh> This evening I re-counted the holes. I needed 24 of them.
[22:19:37] <SpeedEvil> doh
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[22:32:10] <jdh> now we know how many holes it takes
[22:51:04] <Jymmm> andypugh: holes doubled overnight... PROFIT!!!
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[22:55:43] <zeeshan> rab now i am
[22:56:50] <malcom2073> lol
[22:57:09] <malcom2073> 1: Make Spacers, 2: Sleep, 3 ???? 4: Profit. Apparently 3 is allow spacers to fornicate
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[23:08:21] <Rab> zeeshan, I want to ship an electronic device worth $1400 via FedEx to Ontario...any advice re: customs?
[23:08:38] <zeeshan> the person is screwe d:P
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[23:08:42] <zeeshan> anything more than 20$
[23:08:49] <zeeshan> gets charged brokerage
[23:09:03] <zeeshan> the amount varies with the value of the item
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[23:09:17] <Rab> hmmm
[23:09:44] <Rab> It's a business sale, so I don't think I can pull any "gift" dodge...brokerage is prob just the cost of doing business.
[23:09:45] <zeeshan> if you ship it fedex 2nd day
[23:09:49] <zeeshan> there is no brokerage fees on that
[23:09:54] <zeeshan> but it also costs $100+ to ship
[23:10:20] <Rab> Why no brokerage, because it's air freight?
[23:10:32] <zeeshan> its just a policy they have
[23:10:38] <zeeshan> brokerage is included in it
[23:10:44] <Rab> ahh
[23:11:22] <Rab> Any idea how electronics are usually classified? Like if you had to ship a servo drive?
[23:12:03] <Rab> Trying to make sense of the codes...I see electrical equipment, but that seems different from electronics.
[23:12:15] <zeeshan> i just use their guide
[23:12:18] <zeeshan> just pick one :P
[23:12:18] <zeeshan> lol
[23:12:28] <zeeshan> close enough
[23:12:44] <zeeshan> from my understanding, that stuff is more to ensure it doesnt include dangerous goods
[23:12:47] <zeeshan> and they tax you right
[23:13:29] <Rab> ahh
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[23:36:36] <CaptHindsight> spacers have a hole on each side so 12 x 2 = 24
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[23:39:09] <SpeedEvil> Rab: your're outside the USA?
[23:39:15] <SpeedEvil> err
[23:39:19] <SpeedEvil> nvm - IU'm not awake
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[23:55:18] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_,
