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[00:00:42] <zeeshan|2> what do you guys think of degree min s
[00:00:44] <zeeshan|2> ec
[00:02:07] <Sync_> as long as it is not neugrad, everything is ok
[00:02:39] <zeeshan|2> :)
[00:02:50] <zeeshan|2> i have a hard time visually degree min s
[00:03:48] <zeeshan|2> like okay if someone says the tolerance is 10 minutes
[00:04:08] <zeeshan|2> thats the same thing is as .1667 degrees i think
[00:04:21] <Sync_> you gotta get a feel for it
[00:04:28] <zeeshan|2> any suggestions on how to train?
[00:04:37] <zeeshan|2> i see a lot of eng use the units
[00:04:58] <zeeshan|2> pick arbritary values and convert em to degrees to get a feel?
[00:06:17] <Sync_> nah, just convert until fluent
[00:06:31] <Sync_> I also have issues imagining .1blah degrees
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[00:07:23] <zeeshan|2> fore degrees to visualize i usually keep a protractor on the desk
[00:07:38] <zeeshan|2> minutes is where it gets a bit weird
[00:07:54] <zeeshan|2> cause you gotta divide between each degree tick mark by 60
[00:08:04] <andypugh> 1 minute == 1nm
[00:08:07] <zeeshan|2> and that area is so small
[00:08:14] <zeeshan|2> its hard to visualize 60 divisions..
[00:08:32] <zeeshan|2> and then you divide each one of those by another 60
[00:08:34] <zeeshan|2> to get seconds..
[00:08:38] <zeeshan|2> which is just beyond me
[00:09:03] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: damn that is small
[00:09:27] <andypugh> Depends what I meant :-)
[00:09:53] <andypugh> 1 minute at the surface of the earth is 1 nautical mile
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[01:10:45] <bobo_> andypugh: that Bergmaster is like the one i have. they are quite usefull not only for tapping but also for countersinking . + just fun to watch all the crap moving
[01:11:42] <zeeshan|2> bobo_: you must be arrogant for trying to tap with that machine!
[01:11:55] <zeeshan|2> when you can tap by hand ;p
[01:15:41] <bobo_> be nice to that Tenn-un , with all the globel warming he could move way north ,and bring along the cat hating dog
[01:16:19] <zeeshan|2> lol
[01:17:12] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Start using FFF units when someone comes in with degrees
[01:17:25] <zeeshan|2> fff?
[01:18:25] <malcom2073> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF_system
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[01:19:16] <just_pink> hi
[01:19:36] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[01:19:43] <just_pink> I'm just finish to machine the ends of the T-slot beams
[01:21:58] <mutley> flex3drive on that ol thing lol
[01:25:42] <mutley> Tom_itx: sshould have gone to specsavers
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[01:50:32] <PetefromTn_> just_pink what are you making with the extrusion?
[01:55:42] <just_pink> support for the din rails
[01:55:58] <PetefromTn_> oh in your electronics enclosure
[01:56:14] <just_pink> yes
[01:56:31] <PetefromTn_> nice
[01:57:00] <just_pink> so i be able to move them without re drilling
[01:57:17] <PetefromTn_> what extrusion is it?
[01:57:28] <just_pink> 80 20
[01:57:51] <just_pink> single side T slot
[01:57:52] <PetefromTn_> thats not a bad idea it can be structural and make the adjustments as you say
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[01:58:32] <just_pink> yes.. this is the whole idea
[01:58:33] <PetefromTn_> my Cincinatti is the first time I worked with Din rails and I am now a believer they sure make things easier and look more professional overall
[01:58:55] <PetefromTn_> I also like the wire chases my machine came with that have covers to keep all the wires in check.
[01:59:20] <just_pink> use wire duct
[01:59:50] <PetefromTn_> im not sure what they are called but the machine came with them all around the inside of the elctronics enclosure
[01:59:53] <PetefromTn_> they sure came in handy
[02:00:41] <just_pink> why do you want to change the panel?
[02:00:52] <PetefromTn_> I don't
[02:01:11] <just_pink> ho..
[02:01:12] <PetefromTn_> I am just saying that both the din rails and the wire chases are very nice and make things easier
[02:01:14] <just_pink> ok
[02:01:40] <just_pink> I'm really like them..
[02:02:09] <LatheBuilder> good evening
[02:02:19] <just_pink> hope to finish with th stack light soon
[02:02:24] <just_pink> and mount it..
[02:02:34] <just_pink> and start to work on the hmi
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[02:03:12] <PetefromTn_> hey lathebuilder
[02:03:23] <PetefromTn_> hmi?
[02:03:31] <just_pink> PetefromTn_: do you have a stack light on your machine?
[02:03:46] <LatheBuilder> Hi PetefromTn_
[02:04:00] <PetefromTn_> no not sure what a stack light is really LOL
[02:04:08] <just_pink> little screen theat show temps and monitor stuff
[02:04:27] <just_pink> the traffic light on the top of the machine..
[02:04:33] <LatheBuilder> anyone know if it is possible to add ramping to the jog functions? change them from step functions to smooth accels
[02:05:07] <PetefromTn_> oh no my machine does not have the traffic light but the HAAS machines I have run an awful lot have them and it is nice to be able to see the machine is faulted or finished from a distance
[02:05:50] <PetefromTn_> there is continuous jog and incremental jog
[02:05:50] <LatheBuilder> stack lights are nice for unattended run
[02:06:03] <just_pink> I'm always forgot it..
[02:07:00] <LatheBuilder> the continuous jog is what's getting me...trying out the incremental for tuning purposes. brb
[02:07:03] <PetefromTn_> I think if I ever get to a point where I have a lot of production parts of my own design or a customers I would probably look into doing something like that or at least add a simple speaker for audible alerts somehow
[02:07:45] <just_pink> I think it alsow look cool on the machine.
[02:07:59] <PetefromTn_> sure
[02:08:03] <just_pink> it has a buzzer and the controller support midi
[02:09:13] <LatheBuilder> could probably have lcnc send you an email. lot of phone carriers have email to txt no extra charge.
[02:09:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think I heard someone here actually does just that
[02:10:29] <just_pink> LatheBuilder: web based cnc control.. - huge security hole
[02:11:13] <just_pink> maybe scade
[02:12:50] <LatheBuilder> I am simply suggesting using functionality that is already baked in. I don't need it for mine, but I bet LCNC can run a shell script. Sending a simple email in linux via shell script is trivial...
[02:14:39] <just_pink> basiccly the stack light controller can send the signals to a GSM modem.
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[02:15:33] <LatheBuilder> jthornton JT-Shop I am using your tuning tutorial. Thanks for putting them up
[02:16:47] <LatheBuilder> jthornton JT-Shop what machine did your ferror plots come from? Something with large inertia?
[02:20:21] <PetefromTn_> just_pink I am curious as to your goals and ideas for what you intend to make with this machine when you finish it. It is obvious you have put a lot of thought and work into the design
[02:23:10] <just_pink> PetefromTn_: I consider the machine as a nice and sturdy platform.
[02:29:26] <PetefromTn_> I was just wondering what you plan to make with it I was not questioning the merits of the machine whatsoever.
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[02:30:40] <just_pink> just convert it to a cnc..
[02:30:58] <just_pink> but thr right way, not the junk way
[02:31:03] <just_pink> the*
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[02:32:08] <PetefromTn_> so you are saying the conversion is sort of a project in and of itself.... that is fine and I am sure a lot of folks feel that way. I just wondered if you had plans for parts you intend to make with it once it is completed
[02:33:02] <just_pink> hoo .. i see what you mean..
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[02:35:00] <just_pink> PetefromTn_: I don't have specific items or stuff to make, just want the ability to make stuff and keep me nails from hard work:)
[02:36:48] <PetefromTn_> LOL sounds good to me
[02:36:50] <zeeshan|2> man garbage import 123 blocks
[02:36:55] <zeeshan|2> just fucking garbage
[02:37:02] <zeeshan|2> first time im trying to bolt them together
[02:37:08] <zeeshan|2> the 3/8 bolt doesnt even go through the thru holes
[02:37:20] <zeeshan|2> i shoulda known better
[02:37:35] <zeeshan|2> they are rock hard so i cant even drill em
[02:39:06] <LatheBuilder> metric holes, inch outside dimensions?
[02:39:15] <zeeshan|2> no
[02:39:22] <zeeshan|2> it has 3/8 16 threaded holes
[02:39:25] <zeeshan|2> they work
[02:39:46] <zeeshan|2> but the thru holes arent clearanced for a 3/8 bolt
[02:40:16] <LatheBuilder> bummer
[02:40:37] <zeeshan|2> apparently all import123 blocks are like this
[02:40:40] <zeeshan|2> i just googled the issue
[02:40:40] <zeeshan|2> lol
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[02:48:23] <Tom_itx> zeeshan|2, the holes 6mm?
[02:48:33] <zeeshan|2> didnt meant tom
[02:48:37] <zeeshan|2> got annoyed and ccame upstairs
[02:48:38] <zeeshan|2> lol
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[03:04:08] <zeeshan|2> meant measure
[03:04:09] <zeeshan|2> whoops
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[03:30:29] <just_pink> fly cutter + PCB = dust
[03:30:54] <just_pink> but work pretty good
[03:31:26] <PetefromTn_> what kind of flycutter do you use?
[03:32:07] <just_pink> the cheap one from grizzly
[03:32:10] <just_pink> hss
[03:32:21] <PetefromTn_> OK
[03:32:34] <PetefromTn_> why do you need to flycut a pcb I have never machined one
[03:33:44] <just_pink> I took 0.3 mm fom it
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[03:34:10] <just_pink> one sec I will send a pic
[03:38:30] <just_pink> PetefromTn_:
http://i.imgur.com/foQX1pb.jpg
[03:38:55] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: measured it
[03:38:56] <just_pink> tons of oil...
[03:38:57] <zeeshan|2> .35"
[03:39:05] <zeeshan|2> ~ 9mm
[03:40:01] <PetefromTn_> nice...
[03:41:42] <just_pink> yes, it was on dubble sided tape.. so it's not the best in acuracy all the way..
[03:42:03] <zeeshan|2> just_pink: you always say you dont wanna do a junk c onversion
[03:42:06] <zeeshan|2> but you use junk tools!!!!!!!!
[03:42:10] <zeeshan|2> !!!!!!!
[03:42:13] <zeeshan|2> jk
[03:43:26] <PetefromTn_> just_pink I have done a lot of parts stuck down with double sided tape
[03:43:38] <PetefromTn_> it can be sometimes hit or miss in my experience
[03:43:39] <just_pink> but they work fine for me.. and I get them the same day with the machine.. so to replase all of them even if they almost new?
[03:44:59] <just_pink> I don't care much about it, It was an expirament.. you know hss + fiber glass...
[03:45:02] <PetefromTn_> did you skim cut the board before you stuck down the tape?
[03:45:55] <just_pink> no..
[03:46:54] <PetefromTn_> when I use the double sided tape I usually clamp down a piece of scrap MDF and then I skim cut the top of the board lightly ensuring I get a complete cut across the area I plan to put the tape and that usually works for most things
[03:46:55] <just_pink> bottom to top: vise - 123 blocks - wood - tape - pcp - cutter
[03:47:31] <just_pink> you mean to skim the wood!
[03:47:42] <just_pink> this is nice!
[03:47:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah just to ensure it is perfectly flat to the spindle
[03:47:54] <PetefromTn_> then stick down the tape
[03:48:18] <PetefromTn_> and then put down your workpiece and other than the varying thickness of the tape you should be pretty close
[03:48:31] <just_pink> i didn't do it.. but i have 29 more PCBs :)
[03:48:38] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[03:48:57] <just_pink> I'm go to clean the total mess
[03:49:34] <just_pink> oil everywhere
[03:49:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah skim cutting the MDF is messy too... I usually try to cover the table before I do that but it still goes everywhere
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[03:52:31] <zeeshan|2> just_pink: can you try something for me?
[03:52:38] <zeeshan|2> see if you can put a 3/8 bolt through your 123 block
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[03:55:52] <just_pink> 3/8 bolt?
[03:56:02] <LatheBuilder> zeeshan|2 just tested mine. Enco import 123 block, bolt threads all the way through
[03:56:13] <zeeshan|2> lathe not the threaded portion
[03:56:25] <zeeshan|2> http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s448/AlfaGTA105/FP3NC%20Rebuild/DSC00262-1.jpg
[03:56:28] <zeeshan|2> like that LatheBuilder
[03:56:39] <zeeshan|2> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6529546333_d7ab3dabe3.jpg
[03:56:41] <zeeshan|2> another pic
[03:56:50] <zeeshan|2> notice hoe the bolt goes through
[03:56:52] <just_pink> i have some holes with threads on the blocks, the the clamping kit wirk with them just fine.
[03:56:52] <zeeshan|2> *how
[03:57:02] <zeeshan|2> the threaded ones work fine
[03:57:07] <zeeshan|2> but the thru holes dont work
[03:57:09] <zeeshan|2> so you cant bolt them together
[03:57:13] <just_pink> but i have no i dea how to take the pcb out from the tape
[03:57:24] <zeeshan|2> just_pink: alcohol
[03:57:28] <zeeshan|2> it'll disolve the glue
[03:57:47] <zeeshan|2> lathebuilder can you do that?
[03:57:49] <LatheBuilder> same here. looks like the through holes are close to tap drill dia for 3/8-16
[03:57:55] <zeeshan|2> fak
[03:58:01] <just_pink> i thing i need to macin the whole wood from tthe other side..
[03:58:03] <zeeshan|2> i really wanna order a cheap set
[03:58:07] <zeeshan|2> that have the thru holes working
[03:58:34] <zeeshan|2> a good set is like 120$
[03:58:39] <zeeshan|2> thats too much for a block lol
[03:58:41] <LatheBuilder> 5/16 bolts won't do ya?
[03:58:50] <zeeshan|2> LatheBuilder: im trying to bolt them to my table
[03:58:59] <LatheBuilder> got it
[03:59:00] <just_pink> zeeshan|2: gve ne few moment i will clean them and try
[03:59:02] <zeeshan|2> t-nut -- stud through 123 block
[03:59:06] <zeeshan|2> and then through a flange
[03:59:08] <zeeshan|2> then nut
[03:59:19] <just_pink> now it's super oily
[03:59:24] <zeeshan|2> i dont have any 5/16 t-nuts
[03:59:50] <zeeshan|2> just_pink: thank you
[04:04:03] <furrywolf> so, I got a new subaru. the alternator was putting out 18V, so I put in a spare one. two days later... it's putting out 17V. I can not find anything wrong with the wiring. the sense terminal on the alternator is getting an accurate voltage. What would make two alternators fail in a row with shorted regulators?
[04:04:23] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: on the gm alternators
[04:04:34] <zeeshan|2> if you dont have a gauge light connected through the charging circuit
[04:04:40] <zeeshan|2> which adds 270 ohms or something like that
[04:04:45] <zeeshan|2> it'll cause the aalternator to overcharge
[04:05:50] <furrywolf> it's a subaru, and the gauge light circuit is tested and working. ground it, light comes on. the warning light is currently about 1/3rd brightness and a little flickery, just like when the last alternator failed.
[04:06:06] <zeeshan|2> car specs?
[04:06:24] <furrywolf> ?
[04:06:51] <zeeshan|2> subaru doesn't tell me what car it is
[04:07:29] <furrywolf> '84 GL wagon EA81 1.8L 4wd blue interior silver exterior. :P
[04:07:33] <just_pink> zeeshan|2:
[04:07:52] <just_pink> I'm here with 123 block ang 3/8 16 tap
[04:07:59] <just_pink> and*
[04:08:15] <zeeshan|2> anddd? :D
[04:08:22] <furrywolf> the alternator has a main battery stud, a sense input (which tees off the main battery wire in the harness near the fusible links), and the light circuit.
[04:08:41] <furrywolf> I can not find any wiring defects. about 200mv drop if I rev it up, which seems normal.
[04:08:43] <zeeshan|2> how many wires coming out of the alternator plug
[04:08:44] <just_pink> work
[04:08:45] <zeeshan|2> not the power side
[04:08:47] <zeeshan|2> the main connector
[04:08:49] <zeeshan|2> 3?
[04:09:01] <zeeshan|2> just_pink: pics??!!?
[04:09:04] <furrywolf> ... it has a main battery stud, a sense input, and a light circuit. :P
[04:09:06] <furrywolf> one stud, one 2-pin connector.
[04:09:24] <just_pink> one sec i will tac pic
[04:11:12] <furrywolf> I poked at the wiring taking various measurements for a half hour and couldn't find anything seriously wrong. the resistance between the fusible link block and the battery is a bit high, but that should just result in slow charging.
[04:12:08] <furrywolf> note that subaru alternators function just fine if the battery is removed from a running vehicle, so I really don't think that little bit of resistance is an issue. I'm not even sure it's more resistance than stock, as this is the first time I've measured it.
[04:14:27] <zeeshan|2> that is a pretty big generalization :P
[04:14:39] <furrywolf> which?
[04:15:05] <zeeshan|2> removing the battery from a running car
[04:15:08] <zeeshan|2> and alternator runs
[04:15:14] <zeeshan|2> that is a good way to blow it up
[04:15:21] <furrywolf> heh, some cars fail badly when you do that.
[04:15:32] <zeeshan|2> i think its fine for short periods
[04:15:33] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/QNnQmmB.png
[04:15:35] <zeeshan|2> to check if alternator is charging
[04:15:38] <just_pink> zeeshan|2: ^
[04:15:53] <zeeshan|2> just_pink: nooooooooooo
[04:15:56] <furrywolf> I measured 0.65V between the alternator stud and the battery positive when I revved up the engine. that's more than I'd like to see, but I don't think it's the cause of failing alternators.
[04:15:59] <zeeshan|2> you're supposed to put it through the non threaded holes
[04:16:18] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: i cant find a manual for this car
[04:16:27] <zeeshan|2> but internet says the white wire goes to the gauge cluster
[04:16:29] <zeeshan|2> bulb and resistor
[04:16:30] <furrywolf> zeeshan-lab: what do you want to know about it?
[04:16:39] <furrywolf> internet is wrong. :P
[04:17:05] <just_pink> zeeshan|2: It is not fit through the non threaded holes
[04:17:19] <furrywolf> there's two whites to the alternators, a fat one and a thin one. the fat one is the output, the thin one is the sense. they're spliced in the harness where it connects to the fusible link, to cancel out voltage drop in the wiring.
[04:17:24] <zeeshan|2> just_pink: okay im glad im not the only one!! :P
[04:17:49] <furrywolf> the light circuit is a tiny white with a red stripe, which goes through a 5A fuse and then to the cluster.
[04:18:28] <just_pink> but it's look like the correct size for tapping tham..
[04:18:31] <zeeshan|2> can you put a 400 ohm resistor
[04:18:38] <zeeshan|2> in series with that white w/ red stripe wire
[04:18:41] <zeeshan|2> just for fun?
[04:18:43] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[04:19:08] <zeeshan|2> just_pink: hehe
[04:19:15] <furrywolf> I popped out the fuse and, other than the warning lights going out, absolutely no change in operation.
[04:19:28] <zeeshan|2> im suprised we all dont have 123 blocks that aren't fully functional
[04:19:28] <zeeshan|2> :D
[04:19:34] <zeeshan|2> all being me you and lathebuilder
[04:19:36] <just_pink> zeeshan|2: or just drill it
[04:19:40] <furrywolf> the regulator seems to be fried. I'm trying to figure out WHY two of them fried.
[04:19:43] <zeeshan|2> just_pink you cant drill it
[04:19:45] <zeeshan|2> its rock hard!!
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[04:19:54] <just_pink> EDM it..
[04:19:55] * furrywolf has no 123 blocks
[04:20:03] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: cause you disconnected the battery
[04:20:04] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[04:20:17] <furrywolf> no, I didn't.
[04:20:24] <zeeshan|2> let me tell you my alternator escapades
[04:20:32] <just_pink> I'm working on my edm macine...
[04:20:39] <zeeshan|2> i went through 4 alternators in 2 days on my mitusbishi eclipse
[04:20:44] <zeeshan|2> 1 was factory
[04:20:53] <zeeshan|2> the other 3 was junkyard remans
[04:20:54] <zeeshan|2> er
[04:21:00] <zeeshan|2> 2 were junkyard ones
[04:21:03] <zeeshan|2> and 1 was reman
[04:21:05] <furrywolf> I put in this alternator two days (well, two days of working on the car... two weeks of clock time) ago, and it worked and regulated correctly then. yesterday, it's overcharging and the battery light is on again. just like the alternator I pulled out.
[04:21:17] <zeeshan|2> i looked and looked, couldnt find out what was wrong
[04:21:32] <zeeshan|2> all circuit was ok, only thing could be the charging wire from the ecu
[04:21:37] <zeeshan|2> said, f it, replaced ecu,
[04:21:38] <zeeshan|2> didnt help
[04:21:42] <just_pink> what kind of steel is that?
[04:21:51] <zeeshan|2> got a brand new alternator tried it
[04:21:52] <zeeshan|2> problem solved
[04:21:53] <furrywolf> no ecu in this car at all. :P
[04:22:08] <zeeshan|2> was a really frustrating time
[04:22:25] <zeeshan|2> just_pink: i think its just high carbon steel that has been hardened and grinded to make the 123 block
[04:22:29] <furrywolf> the alternator I put in was one I myself removed from a working car. I doubt its voltage regulator coincidentally decided to short at the same time it got put in another vehicle.
[04:22:35] <zeeshan|2> if you try to use a file on it
[04:22:37] <zeeshan|2> the file doesnt scratch it
[04:23:15] <zeeshan|2> furry did you monitor the voltage
[04:23:18] <zeeshan|2> on first startup?
[04:23:35] <furrywolf> yes. 14.2 on the dot, any engine rpm.
[04:23:49] <zeeshan|2> that is so weird
[04:23:52] <zeeshan|2> so it wasn't being strained
[04:24:06] <furrywolf> it might have been being strained, but that shouldn't damage it.
[04:24:15] <zeeshan|2> the voltage owuld be lower though
[04:24:16] <zeeshan|2> if it was
[04:24:19] <zeeshan|2> around 13.8
[04:24:31] <just_pink> the pcb it out of the woooood!!!!!!!!!!
[04:24:40] <zeeshan|2> howd you do it
[04:24:49] <just_pink> heat
[04:25:33] <furrywolf> I've strained subaru alternators quite a bit... in my other cars, I've done things like stuff an oil bottle on the gas pedal to hold the engine at 3k rpm, then use it to jump start diesel trucks with completely flat batteries, while they're cranking, dragging my battery down to 10V too... :P
[04:26:58] <furrywolf> this is an unusual failure. I've never seen a voltage regulator fail on a subaru alternator, and now I have two...
[04:27:23] <furrywolf> I've seen a bad diode once, and I've seen bad slip rings plenty of times...
[04:27:50] <furrywolf> if you let the alt sit in the rain, the brushes stick. :)
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[04:28:09] <just_pink> there is hobby cnc meeting?
[04:28:30] <furrywolf> of particular note, the wiring harness is suspect in this car. very suspect. but I can't find anything wrong with the alternator circuit.
[04:29:05] <furrywolf> it has been repaired, by someone who was some combination of lazy, drunk, and color-blind.
[04:30:17] <furrywolf> I fixed the radiator fan by figuring out they got blue and blue w/ red swapped, and had the fan circuit running to the electric choke, the electric choke running to the a/c fan, and the radiator fan going to an unused plug. :P
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[04:32:30] <furrywolf> zeeshan-lab: so... any ideas on what would fry an internal voltage regulator?
[04:34:10] <just_pink> i lost my googone
[04:39:20] <furrywolf> oh, forgot to mention, alt is Hitachi.
[04:45:07] <just_pink> find it
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[04:50:58] <furrywolf> well, you seem to have wandered off.
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[04:51:01] <furrywolf> bbl, sleep.
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[04:51:24] <just_pink> good night
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[05:06:54] <just_pink> done!
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[05:20:23] <just_pink> *--
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[05:23:17] <just_pink> t7iuyr78][poiurdf gh7854\]p[]\401
[05:23:18] <just_pink> \]
[05:23:22] <just_pink> \]
[05:23:30] <just_pink> oppps
[05:23:47] <just_pink> clean the keyboard
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[05:54:23] <just_pink> someone here?
[05:54:27] <just_pink> life?
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[10:33:19] <jthornton> LatheBuilder2, the plots are from my BP knee mill IIRC
[10:33:34] <XXCoder> yo
[10:34:01] <Deejay> o/
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[10:35:08] <XXCoder> just_pink: hey
[10:35:14] <XXCoder> figured how to do that part yet?
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[10:48:10] <spline> Is there a descent DXF program for Ubuntu? (2D)
[10:48:55] <spline> Just joined (finally) my local hackerspace, so I can finally get access to learning a mill+lathe+cnc. They've also got a 80mW laser, 4x4 plasma cnc :-D
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[10:50:31] <XXCoder> spline: nice!
[10:50:36] <XXCoder> whats fees like?
[10:51:37] <spline> $75 a month for "pro" membership which is 24/7
[10:51:39] <spline> small locker
[10:51:52] <spline> discounts on training. You can use anything except the obvious w/o getting certified or paying for training
[10:52:02] <spline> like CNC laser training is Sunday, which I signed up for
[10:52:16] <spline> free for "pro" (mine) and its like $40 if you're a reg member
[10:52:30] <spline> http://www.makeitlabs.com/about/equipment/
[10:52:38] <spline> that's the equipment there. 6k sqft and they're moving into a larger building
[10:52:52] <spline> awesome group there. smart people into everything known to man
[10:53:05] <spline> they were testing gps on quadcopers last night, which was cool
[10:53:31] <spline> and I know tig/mig so im gonna get the "test" (basically just making sure you know how to use) which is awesome
[10:53:42] <XXCoder> not too bad
[10:53:50] <XXCoder> I saw some with $300+ prices
[10:53:52] <spline> not at all. it's insane the stuff they have
[10:53:55] <spline> yeap
[10:54:07] <spline> around the boston area, there's a ton of hackerspaces, but those are usually just laptops+whiteboard
[10:54:10] <spline> this is definitely more makerspace
[10:54:53] <spline> and most stuff, you just bring the consumable
[10:55:09] <spline> like the plasma cnc training, it's $45 for me and then $35 for the shield cup, electrode and tip (no markup) and everyone maintains their own
[10:55:12] <spline> completely fair there
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[10:55:35] <spline> the 80mW laser is awesome. a guy was doing a wood carving for his wife last night on "raster?' mode but it took 45 minutes
[10:55:38] <spline> water cooled and everything
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[10:55:58] <spline> they have a cnc/mill class saturday hmmm
[10:56:04] <spline> http://www.eventbrite.com/e/milling-machine-tool-training-tickets-3880432478
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[10:56:22] <spline> I saw a sherline there, a cheaper 12" by 12" mill
[10:56:34] <spline> so its great to get exposed to this w/o having to pay for a college-course
[10:57:50] <spline> but they hacked the cnc plasma/cnc laser so you have to sign-in with your rfid badge, checking for the cert/training
[10:58:00] <spline> for obvious reasons but cool
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[10:58:29] <spline> replicator 2 (3d printer) next sat, too
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[10:58:35] <spline> ah damn
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[11:54:03] <XXCoder> pre-cnc interesting
http://makezine.com/2015/08/05/old-tech-drills-any-shaped-hole/
[12:00:44] <jthornton> 15.114285714 stone... getting closer yea! only 26.596346019 uncia to get to 15 stone
[12:01:40] <XXCoder> I dont know why country thats using metric still uses stones
[12:02:44] <jthornton> do they still use stones in the UK?
[12:02:56] <XXCoder> no idea
[12:02:56] <SpeedEvil> Stones are arguably a better scale for adult weight than kilos
[12:03:09] <XXCoder> I use even more antique imperial system
[12:03:14] <XXCoder> usa sucks on that aspect
[12:03:46] <SpeedEvil> Stones are sometimes used, yes.
[12:03:53] <SpeedEvil> But kilos are - probably - now more common
[12:04:00] <jthornton> I just use it for fun
[12:04:22] <XXCoder> I will throw stones at next person who uses stones
[12:04:23] <XXCoder> kidding
[12:05:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif - short-term weight variation can mean that kilos are basically useless unless you're actually tracking daily
[12:06:05] <XXCoder> unit too small eh
[12:06:11] <XXCoder> or too large?
[12:06:41] <SpeedEvil> (and averaging)
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[12:12:52] <spline> XXCoder: australia
[12:12:57] <spline> iirc but I think tehy're on metric now
[12:13:18] <spline> my parents lived in sydney in the late 70s. I still use the scale they had there (stones at top; jg @ bottom)
[12:13:35] <spline> only reason I keep it is it goes to 300lbs (iirc 14.1 lbs to a stone)
[12:13:42] <spline> so I'll weigh projects on it
[12:15:09] <XXCoder> lol ok
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[12:16:07] <spline> 14lbs or 6.3kg per stone
[12:16:19] <spline> The stone continues in customary use in the United Kingdom and in Ireland for measuring body weight, but was prohibited for commercial use in the UK by the Weights and Measures Act of 1985.
[12:17:32] <spline> but im sure it's "not calibrated" even though you can set the base. still is great when I need to get an estimate of weight on something and don't need to be precise like for shipping a package
[12:19:29] <spline> fun pic: what an electric stove looks like to a digital infrared camera (720nm conversion)
http://i.imgur.com/0abYB2Y.jpg
[12:19:37] <spline> just snapped that
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[12:21:07] <JT-Shop> so much for riding this morning... I have a broken spoke
[12:21:24] <spline> road bike?
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[12:25:18] <JT-Shop> mountain bike
[12:25:46] <XXCoder> spline: geez thats bright
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[12:26:49] <spline> yeah
[12:26:52] <spline> you only see the rings
[12:26:56] <spline> that was on for about 20 seconds
[12:27:09] <spline> was reading that it gives off near infrared, 720 to I think 1500
[12:27:21] <spline> but the heat is coming from ones above that, where the lens on any camera, no matter the conversion will not "see"
[12:27:26] <spline> you'd need an actual thermal imaging camera
[12:27:28] <spline> (expensive)
[12:27:30] <XXCoder> cool
[12:27:32] <XXCoder> well
[12:27:39] <XXCoder> you can see infried yourseklf
[12:27:43] <XXCoder> some of it anyway
[12:27:47] <spline> I wanted to see if I could get a pic of welds as they're cooling down
[12:27:47] <spline> yeah
[12:27:55] <XXCoder> I made googles and saw world like that
[12:28:00] <spline> my canon dslr there has the 720nm conversion, so I cannot see below that
[12:28:07] <XXCoder> pretty amazing. I was tempted to go cycling with it but decided not to.
[12:28:19] <spline> and ill have to check the band but I recall virtually any normal camera just cannot see above 920-950-1000nm
[12:28:22] <XXCoder> spline: no no DIRECTLY.
[12:28:26] <XXCoder> no camera
[12:28:45] <spline> so you can see above 720nm? iirc that's when most visible light stops
[12:28:49] <spline> (for most people)
[12:29:03] <XXCoder> everyone can. range dont cut off and has edge
[12:29:08] <XXCoder> it drops down very fast
[12:29:17] <XXCoder> but there is TINY part of IR we can see
[12:29:17] <spline> yeah, like sound
[12:29:39] <XXCoder> you block off everything and what remains is IR and you can actually see world. you sure as heck cant see indoors though.
[12:29:48] <spline> oh that'd make sense then
[12:30:03] <XXCoder> lemme find some info
[12:30:06] <spline> www.maxmax.com does the conversions but has a lot of tech info
[12:30:17] <spline> them, kolarivision and lifepixel are the big d/IR guys
[12:30:27] <skunkworks> http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,30608.0.html
[12:30:42] <XXCoder> you need 3 sheets of congo blue filter discs, and one disc primary red gel filter
[12:30:46] <spline> http://www.maxmax.com/spectral_response.htm
[12:30:47] <SpeedEvil> 730nm is quite visible.
[12:31:25] <XXCoder> spline: then you make googles. I had to double mine so it has 6 congo blues and 2 primary red gel filters so I could see it properly
[12:31:26] <SpeedEvil> It looks like a very, very deep red - about a thousandth as bright as normal light of the same wattage
[12:31:39] <XXCoder> my eyes is VERY good on seeing unfortunately
[12:32:09] <spline> ah cool
[12:32:18] <SpeedEvil> For example a 1kW source of 730nm light will illuminate a room as well to your eyes as a typical 20W halogen light-bulb
[12:32:33] <XXCoder> spline: both is buyable from amazon. few bucks each, shipping is most expensive
[12:32:52] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, i thought they were shipping mach4?
[12:32:53] <SpeedEvil> 808nm is down at a millionth.
[12:33:19] <skunkworks> Tom_itx, it is still pretty beta... only a few motion controls work with it.
[12:33:53] <Tom_itx> We still recommend to use Mach3 if you don't want to wait and necessarily want to use Mach4 then use some other company motion controller
[12:33:58] <Tom_itx> aka go use linuxcnc!
[12:34:58] <skunkworks> good read
http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,30530.0.html
[12:35:40] <XXCoder> spline:
http://amasci.com/amateur/irgoggl.html
[12:35:42] <XXCoder> enjoy
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[12:39:13] <Tom_itx> i'd hate to be one of their lawyers
[12:41:31] <spline> oh cool
[12:41:32] <spline> reading now
[12:42:00] <XXCoder> btw that guy is weird lol
[12:42:34] <spline> part II on how do they work
[12:42:36] <spline> good description
[12:42:57] <XXCoder> I first read it before he discovered congo blue trick
[12:43:10] <XXCoder> I couldnt do it because orginial was too expensive
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[13:02:04] <zeeshan|2> hi
[13:02:11] <zeeshan|2> =D
[13:03:00] <XXCoder> hey zeeshan|2
[13:03:18] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: i think im swapping to mach3
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[13:08:57] <XXCoder> why?
[13:11:30] <zeeshan|2> cause i'm arrogant apparently
[13:11:35] <zeeshan|2> :D: :D:D
[13:11:48] <zeeshan|2> jk
[13:11:57] <XXCoder> :P
[13:12:01] <zeeshan|2> sorry the trolling starts early this morning
[13:12:15] <zeeshan|2> i got two big jobs and money coming in
[13:12:22] <zeeshan|2> a bit excited :)
[13:12:47] <XXCoder> 6 am here, normally asleep by now but cant sleep for spme reason now
[13:13:16] <zeeshan|2> doh
[13:13:31] <XXCoder> usually in bed by 4 am
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[13:20:32] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCADI0YSt8M
[13:20:33] <XXCoder> weird
[13:27:32] <Loetmichel> ahem... that seems to have heated up a bit after the bearing lost its balls (and races in shards) ... any idea how to fix THAT without a big enough lathe? ( the washer in front was steel btw. so we know at least where the aluminium from the bearing seat went ;-) ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15913&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[13:28:29] <zeeshan|2> that would be kinda annoying to put on a lathe
[13:28:33] <zeeshan|2> i'd do that using a boring head on a mill
[13:28:36] <XXCoder> cnc mill inside hole?
[13:28:40] <zeeshan|2> machine the bore out
[13:28:47] <zeeshan|2> and make a custom bushing to weld into place
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[13:29:15] <XXCoder> or replacement inside? mill hole wider, make insert that can then be welded in
[13:29:22] <XXCoder> same size as orginal diameter inside
[13:29:36] <Loetmichel> i dont know if i can weld cast aluminium well enough ;)
[13:29:47] <XXCoder> alum weld is hard enough
[13:29:49] <XXCoder> ]cast ouch
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[13:30:19] <XXCoder> anyway night
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[13:35:33] <zeeshan|2> nite
[13:36:33] <Loetmichel> btw: how to get the races shards out of there? small sharpened chisel and a hammer?
[13:39:26] <skunkworks> dremel a slot down it then peal it out?
[13:39:42] <skunkworks> wonder what the hub looks like...
[13:39:49] <skunkworks> peel
[13:39:51] <Loetmichel> slot? for what?
[13:40:08] <Loetmichel> there are only a few shards of the bearing race left...
[13:40:18] <Loetmichel> and the inner race has desintegrated completely
[13:40:27] <Loetmichel> that IS the hub
[13:40:34] <Loetmichel> or did you mean the shaft?
[13:41:56] <skunkworks> no - it looks like there is still a layer of outer race left there. I wonder how well it is attached to the wheel hub. it is hard to see from the picture but it almost looks like it is somewhat still a complete circle
[13:42:18] <Loetmichel> only lloks like it
[13:42:22] <skunkworks> ah
[13:42:28] <skunkworks> get a new hub?
[13:42:41] <Loetmichel> it has some missing parts (2 o'clock)
[13:42:56] <skunkworks> oh - that is an intragle part of the rim isn't it.
[13:43:11] <Loetmichel> and the bearing was flush with the hub before ;)
[13:43:24] <skunkworks> yah - looks like it oozed
[13:43:29] <Loetmichel> no, thats parts of the old bnearing embedded in the hub
[13:43:58] <Loetmichel> the hub is made of 100% cast aluminium
[13:44:06] <Loetmichel> there are no steel parts in there ;)
[13:44:36] <Loetmichel> and the tube you can see in there was the spacer between the two bearings
[13:44:48] <Loetmichel> for reference where the bearing was before
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[13:47:02] <spline> C.H.I.P. – Raspberry Pi competitor
http://nextthing.co
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[13:49:53] <SpeedEvil> http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/07/25/nanopi-is-a-16-wifi-and-bluetooth-le-linux-development-board/
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[14:08:14] <Rab> CHIP = $9 + $15 S&H, NanoPi = $16 + $20 S&H
[14:08:58] <Rab> Two NanoPis in the cart, S&H for the second one is a mere $10. So I'm at $62 for two $16 computers.
[14:09:39] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/cgMjq7V.png
[14:09:44] <zeeshan|2> im almost tempted to do all these of these on the mill
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[14:09:56] <zeeshan|2> with circular interpolation
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[14:24:27] <cradek> would like to see how they're going to measure the .031+-.005 diameter of that chamfer
[14:26:52] <zeeshan|2> haha
[14:27:04] <zeeshan|2> i doubt he has a shadowgraph
[14:27:17] <zeeshan|2> i almost want an edm so i can troll people in real life
[14:27:38] <zeeshan|2> put a middle finger scaled to 0.0005"
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[15:43:21] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Would it fit in your lathe if you disassembled all the spokes?
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[16:01:30] <zeeshan|2> i find something funny on tap drill charts
[16:01:33] <zeeshan|2> m8x1.25
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[16:01:43] <zeeshan|2> general rule of thumb is 8-1.25 = 6.75mm drill
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[16:01:58] <zeeshan|2> so on most charts i've come across it says "H" drill size of 6.8mm drill
[16:02:12] <zeeshan|2> but if you look up H drill size its .266
[16:02:22] <zeeshan|2> yet a 17/64 more common drill is .2656
[16:02:30] <zeeshan|2> does the 4 tenths really make that much of a difference :-)
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[16:02:36] <zeeshan|2> someone needs to revise!
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[16:08:54] <Rab> I see 6.8mm as converting to .2677. So H is actually close to 2 thou under.
[16:11:23] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: it wont
[16:11:59] <Rab> I'm sure .0021 vs .0017 doesn't make a lot of difference. But consider that if you break any taps from here on out, you're going to have some serious egg on your face as regards PetefromTn_. So better to be safe than sorry.
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[16:26:58] <fenn> Loetmichel: bore the hub out and solder in an aluminum spacer with alumalloy (zinc-based aluminum solder), then bore the spacer accurately. setup will be a challenge
[16:27:19] <Loetmichel> fenn: would if i could
[16:27:27] <Loetmichel> no big mill/lathe here
[16:27:34] <fenn> oh, well nevermind
[16:28:50] <fenn> can't do it with hand tools because the new bearing bore must be aligned to the old bearing bore
[16:29:22] <fenn> maybe you could align the spacer while soldering it in place
[16:29:32] <PetefromTn_> huh that new Fastenal 2 flute carbide endmill left a pretty sweet finish go figure....not bad for a $12.00 endmill LOL
[16:31:04] <Rab> Not a bad price for Fastenal.
[16:31:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know right.. I happened to be in there a couple months ago and noticed they have a bunch of taps and endmills in there
[16:31:46] <furrywolf> what is linuxcnc's plan regarding debian versions? going to move to jessie? because I've installed it, and systemd is still utter shit.
[16:32:04] <PetefromTn_> I have bought quite a few of them and have not really had any issues with any of them. the taps are quite decent especially for the price.
[16:32:41] <furrywolf> I'm trying to fix my systemd-fucked-up other laptop now. I might give up, wipe it, and do a fresh non-debian install.
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[16:35:08] <furrywolf> given as one of its many properties is randomly crashing, systemd is never touching anything of mine with moving pointy bits.
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[16:35:35] <Rab> Never had anything but trouble with systemd on jessie.
[16:36:58] <furrywolf> I'm trying devuan now, but their "warning: early alpha!!!11!" seems to mean it doesn't actually work. :)
[16:38:51] <Rab> I tried every published solution I could find to disabled GDM without installing it. Nothing worked. Finally found out that systemd insists on starting GDM, and nobody knows why. It's a current bug in debian jessie.
[16:39:23] <furrywolf> lol
[16:39:56] <furrywolf> I'm trying to get rid of systemd and it won't uninstall. it's also managed to take over the initrd such that even though /sbin/init is sysvinit, systemd still gets started somehow.
[16:40:42] <Rab> Every time I boot into debian, the system /and/ hardware clock are set to some nonsense time in the future. I have to boot into Slackware and run ntpdate and hwclock to fix it.
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[16:41:18] <Rab> Apparently because systemd is in charge of network time.
[16:41:26] <furrywolf> wouldn't it be nice if things to do with the clock were separate utilities, rather than bundled into the same program as logins, networking, bootup, etc? :P
[16:42:46] <PetefromTn_> here's a question that is probably simple but I need to find a way to have the little dialog box for opening programs to open up fullscreen...
[16:43:17] <furrywolf> what the hell is a little dialog box for opening programs?
[16:43:23] <PetefromTn_> initially when Connor helped me setup the machine I thought it would be a good idea to have it open in a small format and also had him add it to open only machinable files..
[16:44:18] <PetefromTn_> now that I have LOTS of files stored in the machine it makes me have to drag the box edges around to make it full screen and also I have to click that option box.
[16:44:29] <PetefromTn_> How and where do you make these adjustments/
[16:44:59] <Rab> PetefromTn_, which distro and version are you running?
[16:45:10] <PetefromTn_> it is ubuntu
[16:45:22] <PetefromTn_> not sure which version
[16:47:35] <PetefromTn_> I am talking about when you are running the machine and go to file, open to load a CNC program
[16:47:59] <Rab> PetefromTn_, I don't use that software myself...but try Alt-[right click] on the run dialog panel and see if anything comes up for configuration.
[16:48:16] <Rab> Oh, so within LinuxCNC?
[16:49:58] <PetefromTn_> well yeah in linuxCNC axis at the top left hit file, drop down menu, open and that dialog box that opens..
[16:51:19] <Rab> PetefromTn_, this might or might not help:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_config.html#sub:FILTER-Section
[16:52:27] <PetefromTn_> Okay that might help with the masking of programs but what about the opening fullscreen thing, that is the most time consuming part of it.
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[17:43:27] <tjtr33> just_pink, what kind of edm generator are you building? google 'garden of edm' for the best open src so far.
[17:43:38] <tjtr33> real fets and real timing no rc crap
[17:45:06] <Connor> PetefromTn_: I made LinuxCNC fullscreen when you startup, and just added the mask to dialog for gcode files only.. I didn't do anything with the dialog size, or even know how to do that..
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[17:46:47] <FinboySlick> furrywolf: Give systemd a couple more months and they'll be talking of integrating linuxcnc into their codebase.
[17:46:52] <PetefromTn_> Connor Hey man good to hear from you.. Actually I LIKE the fact that the mask is for G code only and I would love to be able to remove all other file masks in the drop down box so it only shows Gcode files
[17:46:58] <furrywolf> lol
[17:46:59] <andypugh> I found a linuxCNC wire eroder today on Youtube. But my Polish isn’t good enough to work out much more than that it seems to work.
[17:47:15] <Connor> that's easy to do.
[17:47:21] <fenn> maybe something like .config/gtk-2.0/gtkfilechooser.ini:GeometryWidth=1440
[17:47:25] <PetefromTn_> For some reason when I click open the dialog box is small
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[17:47:39] <Connor> PetefromTn_: That, I don't know how to fix.
[17:47:40] <PetefromTn_> if I open it and make it bigger via dragging the edges
[17:47:47] <PetefromTn_> and then close it
[17:47:55] <PetefromTn_> and then reopen it it STAYS large
[17:48:09] <PetefromTn_> but when I shut down the entire machine/pC and restart it is back to small again
[17:48:14] <Connor> until next reboot
[17:48:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah
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[17:48:32] <PetefromTn_> its not a huge deal but it is kinda frustrating
[17:49:09] <PetefromTn_> its like that damn update thing that opens each time I reboot the machine which is every day I wish I did not have to close it each time...
[17:49:26] <PetefromTn_> Everything else you did on this machine has been Freakin' perfect man!!
[17:49:37] <fenn> PetefromTn_: is there a file /home/pete/.config/gtk-2.0/gtkfilechooser.ini
[17:49:39] <PetefromTn_> I appreciate all of it
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[17:51:42] <PetefromTn_> fenn not sure man
[17:52:06] <tjtr33> andypugh, lemme know if you want the wedm looked at
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[18:01:28] <fenn> oh it's tkinter not gtk
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[18:28:16] <fenn> i can't figure out how to do it; there may be some way to edit axis.py line 1934 (search for "tk_getOpenFile") and add something like .minsize(800,600) but the way it's called you don't have access to the actual window object, so...
[18:28:55] <fenn> looks like other people have this problem too:
http://computer-programming-forum.com/57-tcl/a5b05e972d4a92d8.htm
[18:29:10] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda wondering if it is indeed a linuxCNC setting or an ubuntu setting...
[18:31:17] <PetefromTn_> like I said ideally it would open either full screen or ALMOST full screen as in Windows not sure what you call that really.
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[18:40:56] <just_pink> tjtr33: thanks - look very useful
[18:43:05] <tjtr33> good luck building yours. have fun. sanook di!
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[18:46:26] <just_pink> how can I open .ps file?
[18:47:04] <Rab> To view, or to edit?
[18:48:14] <just_pink> https://online2pdf.com/convert-ps-to-pdf
[18:48:14] <andypugh> Inkscape
[18:48:37] <Loetmichel> *HA* $me gets himself another "gunslinger medal"... i get better with shooting these annoying big flies out of the air... with a windex pump spray ;) that was about number 10 today... wonder what they like about my desk at all :-(
[18:49:35] <Rab> Hmm, Inkscape just failed to open a PostScript file it created. Apparently it uses ps2pdf for PS import and ps2pdf crapped out.
[18:51:04] <Rab> gv was able to open it though.
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[18:54:34] <just_pink> there is a way to block user in the irc?
[18:54:45] <just_pink> there is a way to block user in the irc?
[18:55:00] <Rab> /ignore <user>
[18:55:37] <just_pink> someone send me all the time private massages
[18:59:04] <skunkworks> sorry/
[18:59:14] <skunkworks> ;)
[18:59:35] <FinboySlick> just_pink has stalkers?
[19:01:03] <just_pink> I can do anything
[19:01:05] <just_pink> IGNORE Unknown command
[19:01:19] <just_pink> MUTE Unknown command
[19:02:04] <Rab> Which IRC client are you using?
[19:03:04] <just_pink> Rab: I'm using the web based
[19:03:15] <just_pink> Rab:
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=
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[19:06:16] <Rab> Hmm, that uses qwebirc which apparently doesn't have any kind of ignore command.
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[19:09:37] <just_pink> I'm wondering is just solid and blinking stack light is enough or I should add fade as well
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[19:19:05] <Roguish> just_pink: try CHATZILLA for Firefox
[19:20:29] <furrywolf> or install an irc client.
[19:22:25] <just_pink_> Roguish: & furrywolf I have irc client but It's much more nice to get it integrated in the browser
[19:23:24] <just_pink_> for now the annoying user stop to send me spam..
[19:23:26] <furrywolf> nice for you maybe. I can't imagine ever wanting that.
[19:26:11] <just_pink_> furrywolf: if it is part from firefox, and i need to open or send a like - I'm already in the right place,
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[19:27:00] <furrywolf> because switching workspaces is hard?
[19:30:36] <just_pink_> furrywolf: to do Alt-Tab all the time it's not a nail friendly task
[19:31:58] <furrywolf> nail clippers will fix that.
[19:32:10] <andypugh> I don’t find it too hard on the nails.
[19:35:29] <andypugh> (Not a totally random on my part, I do have freakishly long nails for a chap, I have had comments about it on my Youtube Chanel)
[19:37:00] <just_pink_> andypugh: continuous motion and hitting the same spot on small piece of keratin will cause it to break
[19:38:06] <andypugh> Naybe, I also have freakishily strong nails, I originally let then grow as a kid to use as screwdrivers for Meccano.
[19:39:35] <just_pink_> andypugh: OMG screwdriver
[19:40:06] <just_pink_> just to think about it make me feel bad
[19:40:18] <andypugh> Meccano screws are very small :-)
[19:42:10] <just_pink_> andypugh: on my vision nails It's basically permanent jewelries
[19:43:35] <andypugh> Yeah, but then you are a girl. I see nails and hair as things that grow out of my body and get shorthened when in the way. :-)
[19:46:22] <just_pink_> hehe..
[19:48:18] <just_pink_> I'm going to vaqqume the machine
[19:49:15] <andypugh> See! That proves it. I clean the machine with a shovel when I can’t find the T-nuts.
[19:50:01] <just_pink_> andypugh: what??
[19:50:49] <just_pink_> I can see her body full of junk.
[19:50:52] <andypugh> It proves that you are a girl. Cleaning a machine that you can still find under the pile of swarf
[19:50:54] <just_pink_> cant*
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[19:52:27] * furrywolf sends just_pink_ some books on feminism
[19:52:40] <furrywolf> you don't need to do stupid things just because society considers them attractive.
[19:53:04] <just_pink_> furrywolf: but I like it..
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[19:54:36] <just_pink_> BRB
[19:54:47] <just_pink_> going to clean
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[20:04:48] <Rab> furrywolf, time to upgrade your library to third-wave feminism.
[20:06:40] <andypugh> Not related really, but I can’t help wondering what future archaeologists will think when digging up skeletons with two silicone jellyfish on top.
[20:07:11] <furrywolf> lol
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[20:27:02] <just_pink_> the table is clean :)
[20:27:07] <just_pink_> now the Z
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[20:37:21] <just_pink_> DONE
[20:37:44] <just_pink_> now nice coat of oil
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[20:50:01] <just_pink_> there is a rule or standard about the height of the mounting height of the stack light?
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[20:58:06] <PetefromTn_> managed to get some rails machined today...
[20:59:12] <just_pink_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7Q56eIpGOI
[20:59:36] <just_pink_> PetefromTn_: why do you need rails?
[21:00:12] <PetefromTn_> I don't need rails my customers do hehe
[21:01:44] <just_pink_> I dont have a cnc.. you have customers..
[21:02:09] <PetefromTn_> I got several cut today both sides... just have to cut the weaver rail top program on them now and then I can brush finish and Anodize them..
[21:02:53] <PetefromTn_> Well this is not a hobby for me here I am TRYING to get my shop equipped to make products I design and sell and make customers products as well.
[21:03:14] <just_pink_> just_pink_: become green
[21:04:18] <PetefromTn_> meh I can't even grow a cactus ;)
[21:04:23] <Deejay> gn8
[21:04:35] <PetefromTn_> GN8 DEEJAY!!
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[21:05:47] <just_pink_> PetefromTn_: green from jealousy
[21:06:28] <PetefromTn_> Oh believe me there is nothing to be jealous of LOL It's been a rather huge struggle here for a good long time and I still have a ways to go
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[21:07:00] <PetefromTn_> I'm just pleased the VMC is working well and makes me accurate smooth parts can't wait to get my CNC lathe working.
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[21:14:03] <just_pink_> ccurate smooth parts - :(
[21:15:09] <just_pink_> the machin is nice and oily...
[21:15:25] <just_pink_> now I don't want to power it up.
[21:15:40] <just_pink_> she look soo nice,
[21:22:31] <LatheBuilder_2> andypugh that was a nice find you sent to the mailing list. I've been stewing over a wire ECM for a while. Not an EDM, but same motion
[21:23:10] <just_pink_> http://www.ultracarver.com/
[21:23:20] <just_pink_> 120K RPM
[21:23:32] <just_pink_> use the vaqqume
[21:30:17] <Sync_> I think I'd be annoyed that the vacuum would have to run all the time
[21:31:41] <just_pink_> Sync_: yeh.. I think to make some dremel mount and mount it to the machine.
[21:32:56] <Sync_> also dat türbo action
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[21:34:50] <just_pink_> 3/4" pvc is good enough for dremel mount? or to use aluminum or stainless?
[21:36:22] <Sync_> well, the drehmel has no meaningful bearings, so eh
[21:36:59] <just_pink_> Sync_: what do you mean?
[21:40:17] <Sync_> it only has two unmotivated grooved ball bearings sitting there
[21:40:56] <Tom_itx> you'd be just as well off using a die grinder
[21:42:15] <Sync_> a die grinder at least has partially motivated bearings
[21:42:47] <just_pink_> I ding to make mount style
http://www.bluumaxcnc.com/BluumaxCNC/4K_Mount-1.JPG
[21:44:04] <just_pink_> I want it just for PCBs..
[21:45:22] <just_pink_> Tom_itx: Sync_ PetefromTn_ - so you think that 3/4 pvc will hold it good enough?
[21:45:47] <Tom_itx> as good as it will perform probably
[21:45:51] <Sync_> expect it to die within a year even just for pcbs
[21:47:32] <LatheBuilder_2> just_pink_ might consider a v-block type cradle mount and holding your dremel in with hose clamps. Might get you where you need to go without so much fabrication
[21:49:36] <just_pink_> LatheBuilder_2: but I need to hold it some how on the Z axis
[21:53:28] <JT-Shop> new word askhole : someone who repeatedly asks for your advice, yet always does the opposite of what you told them
[21:54:06] <DaViruz> that's a pretty good word
[21:54:56] <Tom_itx> knowing that, you could still manipulate them
[21:55:02] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: nice
[21:55:38] <LatheBuilder_2> just_pink_ something like this:
https://woodgears.ca/slot_mortiser/router_mount_done.jpg
[21:57:44] <LatheBuilder_2> wouldn't have to be that elaborate. piece of wood with hose clamps.
[21:57:45] <just_pink_> LatheBuilder_2: I dont know how to mount it to the machine..
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[21:59:25] <LatheBuilder_2> you have the grizzly 704, right?
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[22:02:07] <just_pink_> LatheBuilder_2: yes
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[22:03:15] <JT-Shop> found two thorns stuck in the back tire... flat again and a broken spoke
[22:04:58] <PetefromTn_> just_pink_ You have a milling machine I see no reason to not make it from aluminum
[22:05:22] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, things are looking grim for your morning ride
[22:05:23] <LatheBuilder_2> a dremel takes up most of your spindle to table distance. imagine if you will the dremel up and to the left of your z. block made from whatever you want carved out to match it. back side of the block clamps the block on the left side of your column
[22:05:44] <XXCoder> that made me wonder
[22:05:52] <XXCoder> how do you guys decide how to place spindle
[22:06:06] <XXCoder> I'm guessing so tip of spindle holder itself just touches table
[22:06:19] <XXCoder> tool would impact long before spindle itself hits
[22:07:27] <LatheBuilder_2> if getting the contour is too much prior to finishing your retrofit, cut a big pocket, coat your dremel in a release agent and "bed" it in place with JB-Weld epoxy.
[22:08:00] <Tom_itx> just don't ever try to repair it
[22:08:36] <LatheBuilder_2> hose clamps over top to keep it in the nest will not be super strong but work fine for routing isolation traces
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[22:13:58] <andypugh> just_pink_: That’s a pretty rubbish makeup robot.
[22:15:56] <just_pink_> I think I will make somthing that go in to the R8
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[22:16:18] <just_pink_> I dont want to drill it
[22:16:32] <LatheBuilder_2> that would be cleaner
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[22:17:29] <just_pink_> but I need for that very shot spindle..
[22:17:34] <just_pink_> short*
[22:17:50] <andypugh> just_pink_: R8 Collet?
[22:18:06] <just_pink_> yes..
[22:18:16] <andypugh> The R8 spindle was originally intended to be a collet nose, not a tool holder (or so I believe)
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[22:20:07] <just_pink_> andypugh: but commercials high speed turbines go there..
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[22:20:34] <andypugh> I think we might be failing to communicate.
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[22:21:33] <LatheBuilder_2> perhaps something like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vulcan-Vulcanaire-Pneumatic-Air-Jig-Grinding-Head-Precision-Offset-Head-1-5-Sha-/181811515568?
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[22:22:35] <just_pink_> LatheBuilder_2: yes. somthing like that but smalller and electrical based,
[22:22:37] <LatheBuilder_2> shaft mounted pneumatic grinding tool. swap the shank out with something small enough to fit in an R8 collet and you are off to the races
[22:23:00] <andypugh> I had a design for a speeder for my (slow) mill using a cheap ER11 collet holder from eBay, some ball bearings and friction drive.
[22:23:25] <andypugh> That would be only about as long as the bearings are wide.
[22:23:34] <andypugh> (plus a bit)
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[22:23:57] <just_pink_> I don't like noise
[22:24:22] <LatheBuilder_2> but you are asking for a dremel mount? Not much is louder
[22:24:41] <andypugh> The spindle drives a plate with the three ball bearing shafts. A peg hols a springy outer ring stationary, on the middle the three bearings twirl the ER11 shaft.
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[22:25:05] <andypugh> No gears, so should be fairly quiet
[22:25:35] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, don't look to bad from this end for the morning
[22:26:24] <Tom_itx> you'd better find some wheels to put under you
[22:26:41] <just_pink_> LatheBuilder_2: buy turbine use compressor..
[22:27:18] <JT-Shop> got the spoke replaced today and just put a new tube in... the old one looked like those cartoons from the 50's
[22:28:29] <LatheBuilder_2> I hear you there just_pink_ ...mine lives in the shop. If you have a place you can remote mount it, air tools are very compact. Low cost too compared to electrical versions
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[22:32:53] <Sync_> but high running cost
[22:33:24] <just_pink_> LatheBuilder_2: the machine is inside the house second floor
[22:33:28] <Sync_> compressed air can easily be the most expensive utility one has
[22:33:42] <Sync_> well, just run a pipe outside, it's not too hard
[22:33:47] <Sync_> or use a quiet compressor
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[22:36:34] <just_pink_> Sync_: and quiet turbine..
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[22:38:44] <Sync_> well, they are not too bad
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[22:41:10] <Sync_> and I think that you'd want to wear hearing protection anyways
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[22:52:01] <LatheBuilder_2> just_pink_ there are some bits of inspiration for you here:
http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCHighSpeedSpindleAddOn.htm
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[22:55:12] <just_pink_> LatheBuilder_2:
[22:55:14] <just_pink_> http://www.macrotechnologies.com/high_speed_air_spindles.htm
[22:55:23] <just_pink_> this is cute!!
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[22:58:39] <SpeedEvil> I wish that 500KRPM tooling project had released info
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[23:02:59] <andypugh> just_pink_: They look inexpensive too :-)
[23:03:02] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: how big were the tools?
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[23:03:49] <andypugh> I can barely hear my compressor, but the flow rate is too low for an air tool.
[23:04:09] <andypugh> It is just used for the drawbar, tyres and blowing-off.
[23:04:20] <Sync_> screw compressors are great, but not for low volumes :/
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[23:05:40] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: It was for stupido-tiny milling
[23:05:50] <SpeedEvil> ~0.5mm and below IIRC
[23:06:08] <SpeedEvil> ^spindle project
[23:06:21] <just_pink_> andypugh: also dimond ring..and shoes
[23:06:27] <andypugh> Mine is the ancestor of this. Practically silent, but very expensive new.
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[23:18:41] <LatheBuilder_2> ya, looks like the mini-mac would do what you need
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[23:22:01] <LatheBuilder_2> for what it is worth, a high pressure nitrogen bottle +regulator would be quiet... expensive though.
[23:22:12] <Sync_> co2
[23:22:15] <CaptHindsight> whats the recommended feed rate for milling paraffin wax with a 1mm 2 flute mill?
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[23:22:34] <Sync_> I run a co2 bottle in the shop
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[23:22:49] <Sync_> because it is liquid it runs forever
[23:23:52] <LatheBuilder_2> co2 cheaper for sure (i use it). but indoors with high volume use...asphyxiation hazard
[23:24:18] <furrywolf> co2 does not present an asphyxiation hazard. nitrogen, argon, etc do, but not co2.
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[23:24:40] <furrywolf> co2 is immediately detectable by your body, and you'll know if it's in the air.
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[23:25:58] <LatheBuilder_2> didn't know that.
[23:26:40] <XXCoder> you're also constantly making co2
[23:26:51] <Sync_> obviously you gotta calculate the volume and the volume of your ventilation
[23:26:55] <andypugh> Lack of CO2 is more of an asphyxiation hazard. With no CO2 in the air your baroreceptors go all screwy, yo forget to breathe, and you die.
[23:27:28] <furrywolf> while it can be a hazard, to quote osha: "Gaseous carbon dioxide is an asphyxiant. Concentrations of 10% (100,000 ppm) or more can produce unconsciousness or death. Lower concentrations may cause headache, sweating, rapid breathing, increased heartbeat, shortness of breath, dizziness, mental depression, visual disturbances or shaking."
[23:28:07] <furrywolf> it's hard to create a 10% atmosphere, and it's very hard not to notice something is wrong before then, unless you suddenly enter an area with a very concentrated atmosphere of it...
[23:28:41] <andypugh> Normally it is something like 1%? You get physiological reactions to higher levels (hyperventilation) more than it actually poisons you
[23:28:49] <furrywolf> yep
[23:29:07] <CaptHindsight> maybe a CO2 nozzle to cool as well as clear the wax chips away
[23:29:10] <furrywolf> co2 is what makes your body decide it needs to breathe harder
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[23:29:27] <furrywolf> not lack of oxygen
[23:29:51] <furrywolf> this is why nitrogen and argon are so dangerous... your body doesn't actually respond to a lack of oxygen nearly as much as an excess of co2.
[23:29:55] <andypugh> Which is why 100% N2 is a quiet way to die that you wouldn’t even notice happening.
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[23:31:26] <LatheBuilder_2> yikes. good to know
[23:33:07] <furrywolf> mrs renfro's ghost pepper salsa: hot or not?
[23:33:36] * furrywolf grabs chips
[23:33:48] <andypugh> Book recommendation:
http://www.amazon.com/Billion-Dollar-Heist-Ben-Lovejoy-ebook/dp/B00ZPMNTYC
[23:33:50] <furrywolf> not.
[23:34:18] <andypugh> Written by a friend, so the fact that there is a villain named “Pugh” is not 100% coincidence.
[23:34:27] <furrywolf> BAH! it's not even a fucking medium.
[23:34:52] <furrywolf> says HOT in big letters on the bottle, CAUTION: SCARY HOT, etc, etc... it's a medium. maybe.
[23:35:27] <HSD> :(
[23:35:29] <furrywolf> HOT!!! with three exclamation marks, even.
[23:35:30] <HSD> hate it when that happens
[23:35:41] <HSD> ...MAYBE for my mother-in-law
[23:35:43] <HSD> :)
[23:36:16] <LatheBuilder_2> andypugh i'll bite. been looking for a reason to start a kindle unlimited trial. Good?
[23:36:17] <HSD> You'd think with ghost peppers it'd at least be a little hot
[23:36:38] <andypugh> All the reviews are 5*
[23:37:19] <Sync_> andypugh: rooms with lower PPO2 for fire issues are intersting
[23:37:24] <Sync_> ~interesting
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[23:38:02] <furrywolf> ingredients: tomatoes, water, jalapeno peppers, onions, green chile (with an e) peppers, distilled vinegar, corn starch, salt, ghost peppers, garlic, spices, cilantro.
[23:38:11] <furrywolf> I'm guessing that means it contains more salt than ghost peppers.
[23:38:20] <HSD> AH!
[23:38:31] <HSD> yeah, I can imagine it wouldn't be hot
[23:38:48] <HSD> most stuff is like that.
[23:38:55] <HSD> HOT!!! = meh
[23:38:56] <andypugh> They put children in it?
[23:39:02] <Sync_> it has to be compatible with most people
[23:39:08] <andypugh> Alien children, even?
[23:39:45] <furrywolf> I should have a nice harvest of trinidad scorpions this year... will need to make some salsa.
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[23:40:10] <andypugh> I have a theory that fok who like their chillies very hot have a different reaction to it than normal folk.
[23:40:18] <Sync_> I think one of the rooms we have has a PPO2 of 6 or 8%
[23:40:31] <Sync_> it feels strangely wrong in there
[23:40:33] <furrywolf> fire prevention?
[23:40:35] <Sync_> yes
[23:40:56] <furrywolf> you'll feel strangely dead if you work too hard...
[23:41:02] <Sync_> not really
[23:41:12] <Sync_> you will pass out but survive
[23:41:16] <andypugh> Does it feel the same as high altitude, or is it different?
[23:41:28] <Sync_> it feels very different
[23:41:38] <Sync_> as the PP stays about the same at altitude
[23:41:42] <Sync_> you sense something is wrong
[23:41:44] <Sync_> but not what
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[23:41:57] <andypugh> Interesting
[23:42:28] <furrywolf> probably because there's no decrease in co2 removal efficiency or something
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[23:42:59] <Sync_> I should investigate what the o2 is backfilled
[23:43:03] <Sync_> if it is co2 or n2
[23:43:09] <andypugh> We have some big rooms at work where they can reduce the pressure to simulate 4000m altitude, and -30C to +40C and supply a 100mph wind, all while a car in the middle sits on rollers at full power…
[23:43:10] <Sync_> I suppose n2 because we have that on tap
[23:43:21] <furrywolf> probably handy for bring your kids to work day. :P
[23:44:17] <Sync_> haha I remember seeing the S1 in the altitude test chamber
[23:44:26] <Sync_> apparently they had issues keeping the chamber at temperature
[23:44:27] <Tom_itx> andypugh, did you condition there before your boat trip??
[23:45:25] <andypugh> Actually, it is +55C that they can do:
http://www.ford.co.uk/experience-ford/AboutFord/News/VehicleNews/2011/ChillyFocus
[23:45:48] <andypugh> And they do 140mph wind…
[23:46:59] <furrywolf> a coworker just bought a new dodge charger... apparantly it has a tiny little v6 under the hood and gets 30mpg. wtf. why would you get a charger with an economy motor?
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[23:47:14] <LatheBuilder_2> if just_pink_ is still here, check this:
http://www.rollmeover.com/bronco_fab/bridgeport/HighSpeedSpindle.jpg
[23:47:17] <Tom_itx> furrywolf, looks
[23:47:42] <andypugh> More to the point, why would you make an “economy” V6?
[23:48:05] <Sync_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0yaL5NLC3U
[23:48:11] <furrywolf> because you order the V8 if you don't want economy?
[23:48:13] <andypugh> (Also, do you really consider 30mpg “economy”?
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[23:48:32] <furrywolf> for something as large as a charger? yes, I do.
[23:48:51] <Tom_itx> they'll tack the word 'economy' on anything here in the US to get a sale
[23:49:41] <just_pink_> LatheBuilder_2: the pulley supposed to be opposite
[23:49:48] <XXCoder> andypugh: compared to my van 20 mpg? yes.
[23:49:50] <andypugh> Sync_: That’s a tiny little blower
[23:49:52] * furrywolf still wants a 65mpg subaru diesel
[23:49:52] <just_pink_> big that drive small
[23:50:19] * XXCoder am still waiting for 84 mpg elio
[23:50:21] <furrywolf> if subaru sold their diesel here, we'd finally get rid of hybrids.
[23:50:31] <furrywolf> and smart cars
[23:50:46] <andypugh> Sync_: In our lab there is a big hole in the wall, and a tunnel nearly as big as the room up over the room and back in the other side
[23:51:11] <Sync_> it is not made for aero testing
[23:51:17] <Sync_> they have another one that is similar to yours
[23:51:19] <furrywolf> why would you ever get an expensive, unreliable hybrid or a tiny, slow, useless smart car, when you could get a full-size AWD crossover SUV with even better economy? :P
[23:51:30] <Sync_> that one is just for performance calibration of awd vehicles
[23:51:44] <Sync_> because crossover
[23:51:47] <andypugh> Sync_: Yes, I got the feeling that was the Audi Sport lab, not their main environmental facility
[23:51:49] <Sync_> I'd rather drive the smart
[23:52:04] <furrywolf> Sync_: you could get it in a station wagon too.
[23:52:29] <Sync_> it's not limited to audi sport, but it is one of the few places that have an actual good awd dyno there
[23:52:34] <furrywolf> it's not even that slow... 155hp, 280ftlbs stock, more if you reflash the ecu.
[23:52:49] <andypugh> I am not sure I would. I want to like the Smart, it’s high on the list of cars that I would buy if I bought a car, but it’s strangely uninvolving to drive. It has nothing like the feel of the original Mini
[23:53:19] <andypugh> furrywolf: I wouldn’t risk reflashing the ECU on a modern diesel
[23:53:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/A-Axis-B-Axis-H-Style-CNC-Engraving-Machine-Rotary-Table-For-3040-4th-5th-Axis-Y-/171875000644 anyone ever use or see these up close?
[23:53:30] <Sync_> well, most crossovers are also very uninvolved
[23:53:35] <furrywolf> andypugh: clearly you know nothing about the car tuning community.
[23:53:40] <furrywolf> they'll reflash anything. :P
[23:53:52] <CaptHindsight> or this version
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-engraving-machine-Rotary-Axis-A-Axis-B-Axis-4th-5th-Axis-CNC-Rotary-Table-/201403007979
[23:54:23] <furrywolf> a lot (well, relatively) of people who use the subaru diesel for engine swaps run an aftermarket bosch ecu on them.
[23:54:33] <andypugh> I am sure they will. And I am sure that they are sure that all the limits are about “emissions”. And to an extent they are correct. Our hard limit at the moment is generally molten piston emissions.
[23:54:35] <CaptHindsight> wondering if they are even good enough to machine wax
[23:54:38] <XXCoder> I wish I can reflash ecu on ford contour. it has one parameter wrongly set (it was a recall) but they wont fix it now
[23:55:34] <Sync_> andypugh: I like how mahle is pushing steel cylinders for small diesels
[23:55:40] <Sync_> or rather pistons
[23:55:48] <furrywolf> I wanted to get one to drop in my subaru, but the complete cost of a swap is still pushing $10k to do it in this country, which is way out of my budget.
[23:55:53] <furrywolf> I got a rolled imprezza for $200.
[23:55:55] <andypugh> Yes, not just small ones either. A work of art they are, too.
[23:56:09] <LatheBuilder_2> what are your thoughts just_pink_? I am not trying to hunt down a drop in fix for you, just inspire you to make cool stuf yourself. =)
[23:56:47] <Sync_> well diesel everything is expensive in the us for whatever reason
[23:56:48] <furrywolf> most of that cost is getting someone on the other side of the pond to pull an engine, harness, ecu, fuel system, tranny, etc, etc, etc, crate it, and ship it here...
[23:57:13] <furrywolf> Sync_: it was never sold in the US, and might never be. subaru believes americans don't want fuel-efficient vehicles.
[23:57:23] <Sync_> the real reason is emissions
[23:57:27] <furrywolf> and the government emissions requirements declare it to be evil
[23:57:34] <Sync_> and diesel purity in the last decade
[23:57:37] <furrywolf> because they measure emissions as tailpipe percentage, not per mile.
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[23:58:40] <furrywolf> when subaru thought of reselling them here, they had to detune the motor to significantly less power, significantly worse economy, AND add a DEF system.
[23:58:47] <furrywolf> s/reselling/selling
[23:58:51] <Sync_> well a diesel frontcut can't be that expensive
[23:58:54] <andypugh> Yes, for a Diesel to be efficient NOx tends to be high, it’s a high temperature combustion process. So we make the engine very efficeint, then burn a lot of extra fuel to control the chemistry lab in the exhaust.
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[23:59:08] <Sync_> I'd not bother with the rear fuel system, that's cheap enough
[23:59:27] <furrywolf> Sync_: you also need most of the dashboard, from what people who've done swaps have found.
[23:59:51] <Sync_> wat
