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[00:14:03] <jdh> how many miles is an 06/07 subaru outback good for?
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[00:31:31] <CaptHindsight> anyone have a tailstock for an Enco 12 x 36 lathe, similar to this?
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/HRMAAOSwLVZVv0x6/$_57.JPG
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[01:23:07] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: That looks identical to my central precision 12x37 tailstock
[01:23:25] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: have an extra?
[01:23:37] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Unfortunatly not, but if you want another part number to look for....
[01:23:42] <malcom2073> grizzly G9249
[01:23:52] <CaptHindsight> I think they all use the same castings
[01:25:49] <CaptHindsight> just looking for a used tailstock
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[01:43:40] <PetefromTn_> I need mine ;)
[01:44:00] <PetefromTn_> Tell you what tho...
[01:44:09] <CaptHindsight> yes, most still have the lathe attached :)
[01:44:32] <PetefromTn_> I am on a lathe related facebook page and there are always people selling pieces parts of lathes on there you could join and ask for one...
[01:44:58] <PetefromTn_> ya never know what people have laying around...
[01:45:16] <CaptHindsight> join Friendface?
[01:45:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah faceFindFriend yeah
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[01:45:53] <PetefromTn_> I know it's nauseating...
[01:46:09] <PetefromTn_> but hey it lets me talk to my peeps around the country easily
[01:46:22] <PetefromTn_> so I deal with it
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[01:49:30] <CaptHindsight> if you have the time, no biggie
[01:49:46] <PetefromTn_> I don't heh
[01:50:06] <CaptHindsight> don't bother then
[01:50:24] <PetefromTn_> I should be spending it getting my toolchanger working...LOL
[01:50:31] <PetefromTn_> Oh did you want me to post for you?
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[03:18:53] * furrywolf flops over exhausted
[03:19:51] <furrywolf> my back was finally feeling useful enough that I dealt with the trash that's been building up the last month and a half... got a dump run ready.
[03:24:35] <furrywolf> heh, checking the news again... we're out of housing for people displaced by the wildfires, with every hotel in the county being full, every shelter full, etc, and they're putting out a public call for people with spare rooms who could house people.
[03:24:58] <os1r1s> furrywolf: Where are you in CA?
[03:25:44] <furrywolf> far northern, eureka area
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[03:32:58] <furrywolf> I think we're heading towards 200,000 acres on fire within 2 hours from here
[03:35:00] <furrywolf> actually, doing some quick adding, only around 150K still. they got some contained a bit...
[03:40:28] <furrywolf> "Residents affected by evacuation orders now total 13,118 from more than 5,530 homes, the department said." and that's just for the one largest fire a couple hours south of here...
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[03:43:22] <furrywolf> "The dozens of lightning-sparked fires burning in Trinity County have tripled in size, charring more than 40,000 acres with no containment in sight." that's the one threatening my friend's place.
[03:43:58] <furrywolf> they say it's so bad that houses are burning and they can't even get firefighters near them to see how many.
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[03:46:43] <furrywolf> over 2% of the county is currently on fire. lol
[03:48:12] <furrywolf> actually, it's a lot worse than that. that's just one fire.
[03:48:26] <furrywolf> I thought they were talking about the total in the county, but that's just one of the three big fires.
[03:53:38] <furrywolf> my friend's out there today with his truck and trailer, seeing if they'll let him into the evacuation area to rescue his goats
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[04:15:07] <furrywolf> LOL! first they tell us lead ammo is evil because it kills fish, condors, etc. now they're saying "use lead ammunition only" to prevent fires.
[04:32:19] <furrywolf> bbl
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[06:17:06] <just_pink> http://www.instructables.com/id/TIG-Welded-Steel-Vase/?ALLSTEPS
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[06:25:26] <syyl> thats kinda beautiful
[06:26:01] <syyl> and she is kinda hot ;)
[06:26:21] <syyl> not so much her tig welding ;)
[06:27:03] <archivist> needs some more practice with the angle grinder on those flats
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[06:30:10] <just_pink> syyl: archivist - I'm just know how to solder, I wish I know how to weld.
[06:30:31] <syyl> tigwelding is like drawing
[06:30:35] <syyl> drawing welds
[06:30:36] <syyl> :D
[06:30:52] <archivist> I solder sheet metal for my little stuff
[06:32:02] <archivist> for welding send yourself to a class of some sort
[06:32:13] <syyl> [x] agreed
[06:32:22] <syyl> a one day course helps very much
[06:32:38] <archivist> I cheated and got a trainee welder job :)
[06:32:47] <just_pink> syyl: LOL.. I think I will give up.
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[06:33:17] <syyl> friend and me had a welding teacher from the local welding school come over to my shop
[06:33:34] <syyl> we could work with our own machines
[06:33:59] <syyl> we gave him both about 100bucks
[06:34:18] <syyl> and thats not much for 8hours of his time
[06:34:19] <archivist> we had a week or twos practice before we did any production
[06:34:32] <syyl> thats even better :D
[06:34:55] <archivist> started on stick then went to mig
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[06:35:04] <syyl> aww, cant stand mig welding
[06:35:08] <syyl> i have no hand for it
[06:35:10] <syyl> absolutely not
[06:35:21] <syyl> looks always like a small anymal pooped on my parts
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[06:35:26] <syyl> *animal
[06:35:28] <archivist> hehe
[06:35:42] <archivist> bird shit welding :)
[06:35:46] <syyl> ja :D
[06:35:49] <syyl> uhm
[06:35:50] <syyl> yes
[06:35:56] <syyl> wrong language :D
[06:36:21] <syyl> stig welding works pretty good
[06:36:28] <syyl> and with tig i am very confident
[06:37:21] <archivist> never done tig, was for the posh end stainless, we were working on truck bodies and containers
[06:37:41] <syyl> ok there tig makes little sense
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[06:39:16] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/k4W1V54.png
[06:39:25] <just_pink> DONE!
[06:40:20] <just_pink> syyl: archivist - my soldering skills ^
[06:40:38] <syyl> haha cool!
[06:40:43] <syyl> its green
[06:41:15] <just_pink> now I'm working on the yellow
[06:41:26] <archivist> more green and soldering
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=tinware
[06:43:46] <just_pink> archivist: the Watering Can soooo cute!!
[06:44:20] <archivist> I made a few of those, only one has the rose on it though
[06:45:34] <archivist> the metal is from biscuit(cookie) tins
[06:45:51] <just_pink> wow, cool!
[06:46:49] <just_pink> the spindle make 61 DB of noise, the servos, below 20DB
[06:47:50] <just_pink> there is way to make the spindle less noisy?
[06:47:51] <archivist> tools, scissors, ball bearing, scriber and a vice with very square jaws no serrations for grip, and a press for the watering can lid
[06:48:16] <archivist> switch the spindle off
[06:48:34] <just_pink> not funny..
[06:48:41] <archivist> run it slower, the cut will be noisy too
[06:48:55] <archivist> cover the machine
[06:49:44] <archivist> machining was never quiet
[06:50:26] <just_pink> 1000 RPM without any gear without cutting 61 DB
[06:51:10] <just_pink> it's a dc motor I think
[06:52:25] <archivist> is it a geared motor? many noise sources, brushes, air, fan, gears, bearings
[06:54:26] <archivist> g0704?
[06:54:29] <just_pink> yes, is has a gear, but there is a knob to for neutral - low - high
[06:54:32] <just_pink> yes
[06:54:37] <just_pink> G0704
[06:58:27] <archivist> ok a seller over here of sieg mills recommends a rebuild of the spindle when new, even supplies a manual showing the steps and what problems to look out for and rectify
[06:59:09] <just_pink> what do you mean??
[07:00:07] <archivist> I mean the chinese makers dont put them together that well, so they need adjustment
[07:00:55] <just_pink> the collets get hot
[07:01:11] <just_pink> i dont know why
[07:01:28] <archivist> the spindle bearings may not be adjusted properly, that is where the heat is from
[07:02:12] <archivist> some temperature rise is normal though
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[07:03:03] <Deejay> moin
[07:03:37] <archivist> took us a while to do it first time around, recently we had the spindle out and back in 3 times one evening iirc
[07:04:36] <just_pink> but how i can adjust it??
[07:06:07] <archivist> seems others hear it too
http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threads/grizzly-g0704-spindle-break-in.12547/
[07:08:14] <archivist> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/151609-g0704-strange-noise-coming-head.html
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[07:08:58] <archivist> and a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP-XvbV7Pc4
[07:10:07] <archivist> and the video is different to the model I have worked on
[07:15:49] <just_pink> I tink I will need to replace them.. :(
[07:18:35] <archivist> may just need adjustment and checking
[07:22:21] <just_pink> archivist: ceramic will be quieter than chrome steel?
[07:23:21] <archivist> ceramic is a different application range, no idea if quieter
[07:24:55] <just_pink> ceramic it's not better?
[07:25:59] <archivist> it is for very high speed, you want low speed in comparison
[07:28:12] <just_pink> but I'f I'm going to replace tham any ay. It's not better to go with the bast?
[07:29:35] <just_pink> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2KCs_lBKWU
[07:29:51] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Viy928RLsdU
[07:30:04] <just_pink> ceramic = less friction = less heat = less noise
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[07:31:08] <just_pink> ganzuul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ-l5PlDa-k
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[07:35:28] <ganzuul> In soviet russia, bed jumps you!
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[07:39:20] <ganzuul> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHfwyzlGeGo
[07:43:17] <archivist> you have to think of the application, your spindle does not run at speeds ceramic bearings work at
[07:44:19] <just_pink> ganzuul: the realy board...
[07:45:26] <just_pink> archivist:I want it the quietest possible.
[07:47:39] <archivist> you dont wear best clothes in the workshop, they cannot handle the rough treatment, I would not expect ceramic bearings to survive in that
[07:49:54] <just_pink> archivist: I did some work on the cnc with dress and heels..
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[07:58:06] <just_pink> archivist: there is none contact bearings?
[08:01:05] <just_pink> http://www.lightningmaps.org/realtime
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[08:37:45] <just_pink> Someone know how to replicate G-code to mass production? instead of single piece to make 10 or more..
[08:39:07] <archivist> depends on machine, part and material mounting/clamping
[08:40:02] <archivist> and with linuxcnc you can just move to offset and run a subroutine, rinse repeat
[08:45:32] <just_pink> archivist: there is a way to do it in hsm express?
[08:46:03] <archivist> no idea I dont use it or have it
[08:47:32] <archivist> on a bar fed machine it only has to work at one location because iy feeds the material between items
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[09:59:31] <just_pink> someone know about machin shop in NY / NJ ?
[09:59:49] <just_pink> or somone with lathe..
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[10:02:25] <XXCoder> you can always make your own lathe
[10:02:31] <XXCoder> you do have mill right?
[10:02:46] <bz> just_pink: i'm in nyc (:
[10:02:57] <bz> whatchu need
[10:03:37] * jthornton is getting ever so close to 15 stone
[10:04:27] <just_pink> to make a ping with a groove for retaining ring
[10:04:33] <just_pink> bz: ^
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[10:07:47] <just_pink> bz:
http://i.imgur.com/os2rshh.png
[10:08:24] <just_pink> I have the stock material..
[10:08:32] <archivist> use a slitting saw and mill a circle
[10:09:11] <XXCoder> just_pink: you do have large mill machine right?
[10:09:24] <XXCoder> I remember this trick of using spindle to hold and pin stock
[10:09:31] <XXCoder> then using table to hold tools
[10:09:38] <bz> how big is this thing, roughly
[10:10:03] <just_pink> it's 5 min on a lathe..
[10:10:19] <just_pink> about 1" long
[10:10:28] <archivist> I put stuff on a rotary table as the other method
[10:11:05] <just_pink> archivist: i dont have rotory table..
[10:11:21] <bz> then why not just use a mill, like xx suggested
[10:12:45] <just_pink> meybe I can make it from stainless nail or rivet
[10:13:58] <XXCoder> yeah
[10:14:03] <XXCoder> spin stock on spindle
[10:14:10] <XXCoder> its bit weird but apparently works
[10:15:14] <just_pink> but how I can hot it?
[10:15:18] <just_pink> hold*
[10:15:20] <archivist> it is how I made the slitting saw arbour register
[10:15:24] <just_pink> and cut it..
[10:15:43] <XXCoder> like i said, make a holder for your spindle to hold stock
[10:15:44] <archivist> tool mounted on table
[10:15:51] <XXCoder> and ... yeah like arch says
[10:16:31] <just_pink> I have 3/4 round bar
[10:17:43] <archivist> my spindle is an old lathe headstock so I can still mount chucks on mine
[10:18:07] <XXCoder> you can use 3/4 tool holder to hold stock
[10:18:25] <just_pink> I try to fit it inside the 3/4 r8 collet and it's look like there is some space
[10:18:40] <XXCoder> hmm try fit smaller tool holder?
[10:19:07] <just_pink> 11/16?
[10:19:25] <just_pink> too smal :(
[10:19:30] <XXCoder> dunno just find one that would hold properly
[10:19:40] <XXCoder> I don't know if shim would work at all
[10:19:41] <just_pink> I dont have
[10:20:06] <just_pink> I think it will destroy the collet
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[10:21:11] <XXCoder> dunno what option you have, besides making your own lathe with mill or going to someone else
[10:21:41] <jthornton> R8 collets have a very small clamping range of something on the order of +0 -0.003"
[10:24:41] <just_pink> XXCoder: I can order R8 to 3 jaw chuck and carabide tool and play with it.. but for such a simple job I think it will be much easy and safe to go to someone with a lathe..
[10:24:51] <XXCoder> it is yeah
[10:25:00] <XXCoder> and hardest option is to build your own lathe lol
[10:25:18] <XXCoder> could not find any milling plan for lathe though lol
[10:25:39] <just_pink> even someone with the harbor freight can make it..
[10:27:32] <just_pink> HF lathe after the 20% off - $440 R8 to 3jaw chuck - $127
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[10:42:11] <malcom2073> just_pink: Find a local machinests guild/group.
[10:42:54] <archivist> hackerspace
[10:43:20] <just_pink> EDM!
[10:43:32] <just_pink> I can EDM it!
[10:43:56] <fenn> slitting saw sounds ok to me
[10:44:24] <fenn> or boring bar with shaped fly cutter
[10:44:33] <fenn> for a one-off
[10:44:37] <just_pink> fenn: but you need to make the part first..
[10:44:49] <fenn> you said you had 3/4 bar stock
[10:44:56] <just_pink> fenn: how you can make it from 3/4 " bar?
[10:44:59] <just_pink> yes..
[10:45:42] <fenn> pic has no dimensions
[10:46:44] <just_pink> I know.. I dont have the dimantion yet.. just the concept.
[10:47:04] <just_pink> It's going to be about 1" long
[10:48:22] <just_pink> the pin diameter it's going to be about 1/4" or less..
[10:49:35] <just_pink> fenn: ^
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[10:50:01] <fenn> well you could clamp the 3/4 stock in a vise and cnc machine the round stud with an endmill
[10:50:10] <fenn> it won't be perfectly round
[10:50:19] <fenn> but it might be good enough
[10:50:56] <fenn> the slitting saw or fly cutter is to machine the snap ring groove
[10:51:01] <XXCoder> fenn: use em to round it to near right size
[10:51:12] <XXCoder> lemme start again
[10:51:23] <just_pink> to you think I can do it with hss end mill?
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[10:51:26] <XXCoder> rough cut it so it will fit one of her tool collet
[10:51:35] <fenn> i gues you could machine it to some size you had a collet for, and then turn it with the machined workpiece in the spindle
[10:51:42] <XXCoder> indeed
[10:52:27] <malcom2073> Stick the stock in a drill, and take a dremel to it!
[10:53:03] <fenn> easier said than done
[10:53:11] <just_pink> +- 0.1 mm it's fine..
[10:53:43] <just_pink> malcom2073: what drill chuck do you have??
[10:53:50] <malcom2073> Haha
[10:54:06] <just_pink> 3/4 stock..
[10:54:10] <malcom2073> Probably not one that big :-P But I have a lathe so I don't need one. You should get a lathe, they're super cheap at auctions :P
[10:54:38] <fenn> you should get a rotary table instead of a lathe
[10:54:57] <just_pink> malcom2073: I'm in second floor
[10:55:07] <malcom2073> Hmm
[10:55:15] <malcom2073> Yeah rotary table is another good option
[10:55:35] <just_pink> I know..
[10:55:50] <just_pink> I want something about 5-6"
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[10:56:10] <just_pink> hope I can lift it..
[10:56:48] <malcom2073> A 12" rotary table that came with my lathe (for some reason) only weighs about 80lbs
[10:57:12] <just_pink> I'm 95 lbs..
[10:57:16] <just_pink> malcom2073: ^^^
[10:57:24] <malcom2073> just_pink: Find some strong friends :-P
[10:57:45] <fenn> bolt a swing-arm to the mill head, then you can crank the mill head up and down to lift the rotary table and swing it over to a shelf
[10:59:03] <just_pink> 6" it's the maximum that the table can fit,,
[10:59:23] <fenn> works for big vises too
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[10:59:59] <jthornton> just think of your mill as a vertical lathe with an easy way to adjust the tool height
[11:00:38] <just_pink> my vise is the 5" from grizzly.
[11:01:12] <fenn> example swing arm setup
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/brufsupbane/141-4142_IMG.jpg
[11:01:26] <just_pink> http://www.wttool.com/index/page/product/product_id/20850/product_name/WT+Rotary+Table?gclid=CLbD6KGjj8cCFYcWHwodW8oCVA
[11:02:20] <just_pink> fenn: look scaryyyy
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[11:09:00] <fenn> here's another one
http://www.homemadetools.net/vise-caddy
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[11:46:20] <fenn> i like this guy's machine building style, good info if you are considering building a router
http://oneoceankayaks.com/madvac/madvac_index.htm
[11:46:31] <fenn> or any type of machine really
[11:47:05] <fenn> les watts used to have similar info online but i seem to have misplaced my copy
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[11:54:30] <fenn> ah here it is, "creating long straight surfaces with hand tools"
http://web.archive.org/web/20100418065901/http://www.lmwatts.com/straightedge.html
[11:55:18] <SpeedEvil> Interesting
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[11:58:20] <fenn> i bet there is a way to get arbitrary flatness measurement using tubes with water in them and a laser pointer
[11:58:45] <fenn> instead of trying to find a "precision machinist's level" whatever that is
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[12:01:21] <SpeedEvil> hah
[12:01:35] <SpeedEvil> I was just about to come back and comment about mercury or InGa
[12:02:03] <SpeedEvil> A precision machinests level is like a normal carpenters one.
[12:02:11] <SpeedEvil> It's just that the 'tube' has much, much less taper
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[12:11:54] <archivist> taper/curve
[12:13:44] <archivist> a water level inherently gives you a curve of the earths surface
[12:14:46] <fenn> i'd be happy with that
[12:14:55] <fenn> but since it's known you can subtract it out
[12:15:15] <archivist> a collimator and mobile mirror can give you the error from an optical straight line
[12:15:30] <fenn> yeah same principle
[12:15:57] <archivist> actually different principle
[12:16:40] <fenn> i was thinking you'd have a laser pointer on a sled moving around the surface to be flattened, and it would point at a ruler attached to a tube with water in it
[12:19:12] <archivist> and with an optical square you can check Z too
[12:20:41] <archivist> I have the poor manse version, an angle dekkor, I used it to check dividing tables
[12:30:34] <fenn> ok you don't need the water level if you use a mirror
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[13:58:33] <lair82> membiblio, you around
[13:58:59] <membiblio> I am - good morning
[14:00:28] <membiblio> lair82 - you around?
[14:00:30] <membiblio> :)
[14:00:53] <lair82> Yep, good morning to you as well,
[14:01:19] <membiblio> lair82 - so how goes it?
[14:02:31] <lair82> I finally just installed ssh on my problem child, configered it per the ubuntu forum,( straightforward enough), but I cannot access the machine, from either my ubuntu testpc, nor my windows main pc,
[14:02:53] <membiblio> lair82 - ok so now basic network troubleshooting
[14:03:11] <lair82> All I get is access denied when I enter the password, which
[14:03:20] <membiblio> ok
[14:03:29] <membiblio> so the user name is not 'root' is it?
[14:03:32] <lair82> I pinged the machine and it see's it
[14:03:43] <ssi> morn
[14:03:49] <membiblio> morning ssi
[14:03:52] <lair82> No the user name is superior roll
[14:04:02] <membiblio> so add a new user that is simple
[14:04:06] <membiblio> something like lair82
[14:04:17] <lair82> Ok,
[14:04:18] <membiblio> open command window
[14:04:23] <membiblio> adduser lair82
[14:04:31] <membiblio> passwd lair82 (follow prompts)
[14:04:42] <membiblio> spaces confuse the issue
[14:05:01] <membiblio> and then be sure you can log in to the machine using the new user/pass
[14:05:12] <lair82> I tried to change the password, through the ubuntu interface utility, and it would not change the password for the main user
[14:05:23] <membiblio> ok wait
[14:05:54] <membiblio> ok so adduser lair82
[14:06:02] <membiblio> passwd yournewpasswd
[14:06:05] <membiblio> log out
[14:06:17] <lair82> I entered a new password, clicked enter, and it just sat there with the circular in process indicator for over 5 mins
[14:06:45] <membiblio> lair82 - open a command window
[14:07:25] <membiblio> Ok wait just a bit I will bring up same version you have and we can walk through it
[14:07:43] <fenn> malcom2073: looking at this image some more i realized the small loop of belt has to meet the stationary belt at an oblique angle, having the loop perfectly vertical won't work because there is no change in length of the belt as the pulley moves from side to side, your belt bearings need to be spaced farther apart to make a triangle.
http://mikesshop.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DriveSystem.png
[14:10:14] <lair82> membiblio, I just added the new user, now I need to shut down and restart?
[14:10:38] <membiblio> lair82 - no this is linux it just works instantly and reliably
[14:11:04] <fenn> malcom2073: the pulley doesn't need to be so high up either, the large timing pulley (not shown) can hang off the side without interfering with anything. this will reduce the length of belt under load and should improve stiffness significantly
[14:11:34] <membiblio> lair82 - you already installed ssh-server?
[14:11:49] <lair82> yes
[14:12:18] <membiblio> ok so now open a shell window
[14:12:33] <membiblio> and sudo vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[14:12:43] <lair82> on that machine, or here at my desktop?
[14:14:01] <lair82> on that machine I take it, going to have to go out there,
[14:14:12] <membiblio> you are working on the machine - the target - the one that you want to ssh into - the one running linuxcnc
[14:14:30] <fenn> maybe vi isn't the best editor to use
[14:14:31] <membiblio> can you take a laptop with you to access irc or can you add hexchat to that machine?
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[14:15:05] <membiblio> Vi is a good editor and is available on most machines - he needs to learn it if he does not - it is not magic
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[14:15:20] <lair82> grabbed my laptop, be back in a few
[14:15:23] <mozmck> hah! I never use vi
[14:15:24] <membiblio> ok
[14:15:33] <membiblio> I never use notepad
[14:15:37] <mozmck> nano works fine
[14:15:46] <membiblio> nano is fine yes
[14:15:59] <archivist> vi rulez since the year dot
[14:16:13] <mozmck> Me neither, but I have no reason to use vi and try and remember all the commands.
[14:16:34] <membiblio> there we go - I wholeheartedly agree with archivist - without reservations - :)
[14:17:04] <fenn> i'm a vim user myself but nano is easier for someone to just start using right away without any training
[14:17:22] <membiblio> But this is the issue - you use what you learn
[14:17:26] <mozmck> Yes, and for anyone who will not use it often.
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[14:18:04] <lair82_> I'm back, and ran the vi command
[14:18:05] <membiblio> And people are smart - they should just learn vi so their whole skillset is viable - ok I'm grasping here but please work with me :)
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[14:18:08] <mozmck> But if it takes longer to learn that you need to use it, it's a waste of time.
[14:18:23] <mozmck> than.
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[14:18:41] <lair82_> whats next membiblio
[14:18:51] <membiblio> Ok so in that file look for PermitRootLogin and AllowUsers by searching with forward slash /PermitRoot and pressing 'n' key to go to the next location until you find or wrap
[14:18:55] <CaptHindsight> I love this conversation ^^. It explains why Howtos written by experienced Linux users skip over steps and leave out info that someone trying to learn will need
[14:19:10] <archivist> :)
[14:19:20] <archivist> minor details
[14:19:59] <membiblio> CaptHingsight - that is another issue - one of assumptions - and a great person would not assume if writing a tutorial - but would assume if writing to colleagues - so yes you are right and we all can learn and be better
[14:20:24] <membiblio> that being said - how many of us just assume when we 'just need to get the details documented' ?
[14:20:32] <mozmck> CaptHindsight: I experienced that when first learning linux around 1997.
[14:20:50] <membiblio> I do it myself - even when writing for myself - and regret it later - it is too bad we only live for 80 years :)
[14:20:57] <lair82_> found permit root login, it says yes
[14:21:43] <membiblio> Ok so that is setup for key usage - change it to no - you can use 'x' to delete and then 'i' to insert the new stuff and then press 'ESC' to get out of edit
[14:22:08] <mozmck> membiblio: I write a lot more comments in my code than I used to. Got tired of trying to figure out what in the world I was doing all over again when I had to look at the code later.
[14:22:50] <membiblio> mozmck - that is good policy for everyone - in documentation too!
[14:23:44] <archivist> the kidz in the other channels have no idea why I moan about their lack of comments
[14:24:01] <membiblio> lair82_ - your compile document was very very good - susinct but complete - you should share with everyone if you have time to publish on web
[14:24:04] <mozmck> True! Code comments are probably easier to keep up-to-date, but that still takes work.
[14:24:16] <lair82_> I don't see allow users, and I have to get off of the machine, they need it
[14:24:24] <archivist> the excuse, I know what id does, does not wash when they are trying to find a bug!
[14:25:32] <membiblio> lair82_ you could let them start and then change over to CTL-ALT-F1 but there is a possibility, however small, that something could go wrong
[14:26:03] <membiblio> lair82_ so for now use ':w' and then ':q' to write that file and then exit
[14:26:45] <membiblio> lair82_ - I am installing ubuntu 10.04 on my testbox at home and can provide you with step by step directions later today
[14:26:53] <Rab> Power user protip: ':wq' does both!
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[14:27:34] <lair82_> something did go wrong, I tried to change it to no, and it gave a fault, I will post the screenshot from my desktop
[14:27:39] <mozmck> archivist: yeah, I work on so many different projects that after a couple of months I hardly remember I even wrote that code! So comments are essential.
[14:28:13] <membiblio> lair82_ just close the terminal window - it will leave a swap file but the original will be there too
[14:28:31] <archivist> more power use ZZ
[14:28:36] <lair82_> Thats what it said, was something about a swap file
[14:28:44] <membiblio> lair82_ - all is well - what you are doing is not required for the machine to run
[14:29:08] <membiblio> lair82_ - try to use ZZ to exit as archivist said - but you are fine - let them run
[14:29:15] <lair82_> I did not find Allowuser though
[14:29:29] <membiblio> lair82_ - that is ok - it is not there - we will add it later
[14:32:08] <membiblio> lair82_ - I will be around all day, have some errands, but you can text me to bring me back. Also these guys can help too :)
[14:32:27] <fenn> what's the end goal?
[14:32:32] <membiblio> There is like 500 people here
[14:33:01] <membiblio> fenn - let him ssh into one of his linuxcnc boxes so he can tail kern.log and dmesg.log from his office
[14:33:33] <membiblio> fenn - also please just use regular ssh at first - key is too complex to do off the cuff - and he is on local area only
[14:34:33] <membiblio> fenn - he is on ubuntu 10.04 - I am also installing locally to give him step by step
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[14:36:49] <fenn> i am going to bed now, sorry
[14:37:44] <membiblio> fenn - it is ok - have a great sleep - night night :)
[14:37:51] <mozmck> I've not had a problem just installing the openssh server.
[14:38:13] <membiblio> mozmck - then you had to config to allow normal ssh - yes?
[14:38:14] <cradek> yeah I've always just done that, and then can ssh in - that easy
[14:38:18] <mozmck> Then ssh in with username@ipaddress
[14:38:26] <cradek> membiblio: no, it just works
[14:38:29] <mozmck> no, no config changes at all.
[14:38:42] <membiblio> ok - his normal user has a space in user name...
[14:38:44] <mozmck> what cradek typed.
[14:38:58] <membiblio> he has added a new user lair82 and set passwd
[14:39:18] <cradek> usernames with spaces are unusual but should work fine
[14:39:21] <mozmck> haven't done that. it should still work with / shouldn't it?
[14:39:31] <ssi> ew be careful with that in linux
[14:39:36] <ssi> it works but the escaping gets crazy
[14:39:37] <mozmck> lair/ 82@whatever
[14:39:38] <membiblio> he has a no space user name now - yes ew...
[14:39:49] <cradek> \
[14:39:51] <ssi> it'd be \
[14:39:55] <mozmck> oh, yeah
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[14:40:06] <mozmck> I don't use spaces if I can help it.
[14:40:08] <membiblio> see why this is a really bad idea for someone who has never ssh'd...
[14:40:35] <mozmck> after he learn vi he'll have no problem with something this trivial ;)
[14:40:55] <membiblio> yes we will have to be all very afraid of his next questions... :)
[14:41:24] <mozmck> 5 years from now :-D
[14:41:26] <membiblio> Why is the factory running without any shop people there?
[14:41:27] <ssi> lol
[14:41:39] <membiblio> Since when did we start making androids?
[14:41:53] <membiblio> Why are their eyes red?
[14:42:08] <fenn> they are in edit mode
[14:42:39] <membiblio> Aw poor hitch bot - we all need to apologize for Philly
[14:43:39] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[14:43:44] <PetefromTn_> lots his head did he
[14:44:49] <ssi> lol
[14:44:52] <ssi> monsters
[14:45:18] <membiblio> He did - they showed a video - made it all over the world and lost his little cpu in Philly - the city of brotherly love
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[14:45:48] <membiblio> What do you do to the guy that did it? Nothing?
[14:46:01] <PetefromTn_> LOL have you been to philly?
[14:46:04] <ssi> a head for a head?
[14:47:15] <membiblio> Yes - I worked at Horsham for a contractor - Philly was rough downtown but not unviable - I never felt afraid but I did look around and think - they COULD clean up a little
[14:48:37] <PetefromTn_> wow when was that last time I was there....which was awhile ago.... lets just say I rolled up my windows and locked the doors while driving thru hehe
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[14:49:41] <ssi> eh philly's not any worse than atlanta
[14:50:05] <ssi> I walked around south philly some about 3 years ago
[14:53:09] <mozmck> yeah, but everyone *else* was locking their doors while you were doing that!
[14:53:28] <ssi> as well they should!
[14:54:10] <PetefromTn_> you gotta be kidding me... I have been all around Atlanta and it is much cleaner and safer from what I saw...maybe I drove thru the REALLY REALL bad part of philly?
[14:54:17] <ssi> I rode a harley through the ghettoest of ghettos in atlanta a few weeks ago... that was exciting :P
[14:55:29] <PetefromTn_> must have been pretty scary....riding a harley I mean ;)
[14:55:38] <ssi> yep
[14:55:45] <ssi> kept burning my calf on the pipes :)
[14:56:08] <PetefromTn_> did your body continue vibrating when you got off?
[14:56:11] <ssi> lol yeah
[14:56:33] <ssi> harleys are kinda fun because they're like a slice of a radial engine :D
[14:56:52] <PetefromTn_> I must sound damn UnAmerican...don't like Philly and Don't care for Harley's LOL....
[14:57:04] <PetefromTn_> Didn't even like Chicago LOL
[14:57:31] <ssi> I don't like chicago either
[14:57:44] <ssi> I don't really LIKE philly
[14:57:50] <ssi> I just didn't think it was all that scary :)
[14:58:11] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/Mpvnscc.jpg Dear God why?
[14:58:22] <ssi> lolol
[14:59:21] <SpeedEvil> You have to give the owner points for just going 'fuck it - restraint?'
[14:59:29] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I see your truck and raise you a truck with a sign
[14:59:29] <ssi> http://i.imgur.com/Bobhn2U.jpg
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[15:01:06] <PetefromTn_> LOL there is a guy up in the mountains here that has a sign like that on the way to the National Park... hooked on phonics?
[15:01:40] <lair82> Destroyed that perfectly good superduty,
[15:01:44] <PetefromTn_> Whats really laughable is I got that picture from someones facebook post and reading all the posts on it everyone thought it was AWESOME!!
[15:01:58] <_methods> heheh
[15:02:08] <PetefromTn_> at least it is a wrap so you CAN take it off
[15:02:08] <_methods> saw that on imgur the other day
[15:02:13] <_methods> zookeenee
[15:02:29] <lair82> Nice truck till he painted it, the guy that did the paint work needs his ass kicked too!!
[15:02:49] <lair82> I hope it's just a wrap,
[15:03:14] <PetefromTn_> I'm sure it is probably a wrap...thank god... ahem
[15:03:26] <_methods> fish wrap
[15:03:29] <_methods> lol
[15:03:38] <_methods> sushi roll for your truck
[15:04:38] <PetefromTn_> Speaking of Sushi I have not been to our local Japanese sushi bar for awhile...Need me some New York roll and Superman Roll again. DAMN that is some yummy stuff.
[15:05:01] <PetefromTn_> wait that didn't come out right...
[15:05:04] <PetefromTn_> ;)
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[15:12:30] <lair82> I prefer my fish deep fried
[15:12:45] <PetefromTn_> that's good too!
[15:13:01] <lair82> Best i ever had was in Charleston SC, dam they know how to cook down there
[15:13:07] <PetefromTn_> or grilled/blackened
[15:13:36] <PetefromTn_> ssi DAMN man that landing was INSANE LOL
[15:14:12] <PetefromTn_> thank god for glideslope beacons and IFR instruments LOL
[15:17:27] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_ you dont like that fish painted truck?!?
[15:17:40] <zeeshan|2> that person must be an avid fisher!
[15:17:42] <PetefromTn_> shit no I don't LOL
[15:17:44] <zeeshan|2> looks bad ass!!
[15:17:47] <zeeshan|2> haha
[15:17:56] <PetefromTn_> well good go get your SUbaru turned into a fish
[15:17:59] <zeeshan|2> you could drive that thing in the water and all the fish would start humping it
[15:18:09] <zeeshan|2> thats a good idea
[15:18:18] <zeeshan|2> make the SUBaru a SUBarumarine
[15:18:51] <PetefromTn_> I need to pickup a decent boring head here
[15:19:07] <PetefromTn_> and a boring bar rigid enough to go 4" deep in a half inch hole LOL
[15:19:28] <zeeshan|2> the cheapo china one seems to work okay
[15:19:38] <PetefromTn_> yeesh
[15:19:49] <PetefromTn_> actually to be quite honest with you
[15:19:49] <zeeshan|2> i finally got mine apart from the r8 arbor
[15:19:55] <zeeshan|2> had to grind the welds down and really yank it
[15:20:02] <zeeshan|2> then lap the mating surface to make it true again
[15:20:10] <zeeshan|2> hopefully i didnt f up anything -- will need to wait for a new arbor
[15:20:10] <PetefromTn_> I got to use a $5k boring head at the last shop I worked in..
[15:20:17] <zeeshan|2> which one
[15:20:43] <PetefromTn_> don't remember the brand but it was REALLY REALLY NICE and came as a kit with lots of indexable boring bars etc.
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[15:21:02] <zeeshan|2> cool
[15:21:21] <PetefromTn_> and to be hones while it was really great I don't think it really did anything too much differently than the chinese one I used to have other than a more precise control I guess
[15:21:37] <zeeshan|2> well those fancy ones you can adjust
[15:21:38] <zeeshan|2> while theyre alive
[15:21:43] <zeeshan|2> that is nice to have
[15:21:54] <PetefromTn_> and once you get used to the adjustment process on the chinese ones they work fine
[15:22:01] <zeeshan|2> yea i totally agree!!
[15:22:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is true
[15:22:04] <zeeshan|2> mine was so crappy out of the box
[15:22:10] <zeeshan|2> dud ethey had metal chips
[15:22:12] <PetefromTn_> but I really never used that feature on it
[15:22:29] <zeeshan|2> in between the slit which flexs to lock the gibs
[15:22:30] <zeeshan|2> hehe
[15:22:39] <PetefromTn_> shars sells a Cat40 2 or 3" boring head for like a hundred bucks
[15:22:41] <zeeshan|2> no wonder it was loose!
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[15:23:17] <PetefromTn_> I was thinking of getting one and a NICE insert bar for it..
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[15:23:38] <PetefromTn_> I have a bunch of brazed carbide bars here still I can use in it
[15:23:40] <zeeshan|2> i use these ones"::
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[15:24:40] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6pc-5-8-INDEXABLE-BORING-BAR-SET-TCMT-CARBIDE-INSERTS-A830-/400700301792?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d4b9961e0
[15:24:59] <zeeshan|2> not the greatest tool geometry
[15:25:09] <PetefromTn_> not really
[15:25:10] <zeeshan|2> because the flat end bottoms out in a cnc tool post that is square
[15:25:15] <zeeshan|2> but they work fine
[15:25:20] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-315-3-8-1-2-5-8-3-4-SCLCR-Indexable-Boring-Bar-Set-NEW-/300756622801?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46067dddd1
[15:25:22] <zeeshan|2> i want this style
[15:25:48] <PetefromTn_> LOL I just need that second one from the bottom hehe
[15:27:06] <zeeshan|2> for that amount
[15:27:09] <zeeshan|2> id build my damn own!
[15:27:12] <zeeshan|2> 184 jeez
[15:27:42] <PetefromTn_> not for an indexable pain in the ass to set all the angles... I'd just buy em if I really need em.
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[15:29:33] <membiblio> lair82_ - You still around? I just installed linuxcnc ub10.04 then installed openssh-server and yes - ssh'd in right away - I think your new user will do the same for you - users with spaces in name are not easy to use off the cuff
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[15:30:52] <membiblio> lair82_ - and you can just use tail -f /var/log/kern/log - use one window per tail you want to do - i/e one ssh window for each file kern.log and dmesg
[15:31:33] <membiblio> lair82_ - and those tails should show your machine having aneurysm and failing - hopefully but also pretty sure :)
[15:32:00] <membiblio> I love linux (unix/freebsd/*nix)
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[15:34:38] <lair82> membiblio, it looks to be a while till I can get back in and work on it, probably tomorrow the way it looks, they would rather run it, with problems, than let me on it for an hour or so to get this setup, and try to figure out what is wrong
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[15:34:57] <lair82> When there are 3 other turning centers sitting there not running
[15:35:32] <membiblio> lair82_ you should be able to ssh in now
[15:35:33] <zeeshan|2> sounds like a production environment :)
[15:35:37] <membiblio> what is your new user name?
[15:36:12] <membiblio> lair82 is the new name? what is the ip of that machine?
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[15:36:50] <lair82> 192.168.1.150
[15:37:19] <membiblio> ok so from your desktop linux box do ssh lair82@192.168.1.150 and you should be prompted for pw
[15:37:44] <lair82> I'm in :)
[15:37:46] <membiblio> I noticed the install script for openssh started the service when it finished - again love it
[15:38:07] <membiblio> ok so now tail -f /var/log/kern (press tab to get list of files matching)
[15:38:20] <mozmck> membiblio: don't you want the free upgrade to win10?
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[15:38:40] <lair82> can I just copy/paste that command?
[15:38:53] <lair82> Do i need to sudo?
[15:38:53] <membiblio> mozmck - that is what made me switch to Linux Mint Mate (Cinnamon on laptop)
[15:38:58] <membiblio> No no sude
[15:39:05] <lair82> ok
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[15:39:41] <membiblio> just type tail -f /var/log/kern (and then press tab) then complete after it shows you files available - probably kern.log
[15:40:24] <membiblio> Is it working? I'm moist with antici
[15:40:27] <membiblio> pation
[15:40:34] <lair82> tail: cannot open '/var/log/kern' for reading: no such file or directory
[15:40:46] <membiblio> tail -f /var/log/kern.log
[15:40:59] <mozmck> membiblio: haha! I would have to go buy windows to get the free upgrade - oh wait, I might have win7 oem that came with a computer somewhere.
[15:41:13] <lair82> do I need to ctrl/alt/f1 first?
[15:41:20] <mozmck> It didn't even get opened...
[15:41:32] <membiblio> lair82_ is your desktop linux or windows?
[15:41:39] <lair82> windows
[15:41:56] <membiblio> Open dos box or install putty
[15:42:02] <lair82> i'm on putty
[15:42:02] <membiblio> I think ssh is available in dos box
[15:42:19] <membiblio> oh then create a new connection to ip and use user name as normal
[15:42:21] <membiblio> wait sorry
[15:42:26] <membiblio> you are already in
[15:42:31] <membiblio> in putty window
[15:42:34] <lair82> I did, I'm logged in,
[15:42:53] <membiblio> type - tail -f /var/log/kern.log and press return just like you would type ls for a file list
[15:42:59] <membiblio> sorry m excited for you
[15:43:32] <lair82> with the leading " - " included?
[15:43:36] <membiblio> no please
[15:43:38] <membiblio> just
[15:43:44] <membiblio> tail -f /var/log/kern.log
[15:43:50] <membiblio> then press return key
[15:43:55] <membiblio> should spit out something
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[15:44:31] <lair82> tail: cannot open '/var/log/kern' for reading: Permission denied
[15:45:05] <lair82> Correction tail: cannot open '/var/log/kern.log' for reading: Permission denied
[15:45:24] <membiblio> um... you may need to be added to that group let me check
[15:47:07] <membiblio> it does not look like the default linuxcnc user is added to any group that makes a difference here but lets work around
[15:47:08] <membiblio> type
[15:47:19] <membiblio> sudo tail -f /var/log/kern.log
[15:47:23] <membiblio> press return
[15:47:38] <membiblio> then enter your lair82 password that you used on that machine
[15:48:57] <membiblio> again moist here
[15:49:12] <lair82> lair82 is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. That is what it gave me.
[15:49:47] <membiblio> ok you need to add yourself to the /etc/sudoers file when you can get back on that machine
[15:50:02] <membiblio> for now lets do this - what is the normal login name for that machine?
[15:50:14] <lair82> cicni10cc
[15:50:18] <membiblio> oh...
[15:50:21] <membiblio> then use that
[15:50:30] <membiblio> I thought you said it had a space...
[15:50:43] <lair82> Start a new putty session?
[15:50:45] <membiblio> exit putty and use that name instead
[15:50:47] <membiblio> yes please
[15:51:08] <membiblio> no wonder the UN does not work - we are typing and still cant effectively communicate :)
[15:51:44] <lair82> Access Denied
[15:52:01] <membiblio> try again and check your spelling and pw please
[15:52:17] <lair82> I have double and triple checked,
[15:52:39] <membiblio> just a sec let me try bad login and then good
[15:52:49] <lair82> Password is correct, I used a half hour ago to install open-ssh
[15:53:07] <lair82> Using synaptic
[15:54:36] <membiblio> I do not understand - I just adduser linuxcnc to ub14.04 and then ssh and it worked immediately
[15:54:50] <membiblio> Did you adduser on the linuxcnc box using sudo ?
[15:55:18] <lair82> Yes, it would not let me just adduser
[15:55:20] <membiblio> Are you SURE you are hitting the correct machine?
[15:55:25] <lair82> yes
[15:56:03] <membiblio> Can you go out to that machine, open a terminal window while he is working and type ifconfig and look at eth0 address please - I am assuming you are using wired ethernet?
[15:56:22] <membiblio> Then you can just minimise that window to the task bar
[15:57:02] <membiblio> Also in that window type su (username) and then password just to be sure you have them correct
[15:57:30] <lair82> I tried to change the password at the machine in the Users and Groups drop down under System admin, it would not change the password, it just sat there with the "in progress" cursor revolving after I entered a new password and pressed enter
[15:58:09] <lair82> I went to another linux machine, and it changes the password immediately
[15:58:29] <membiblio> ok so we are off the road here - let's get back on
[15:58:46] <membiblio> so find the ip address of one of the machines not in use
[15:58:51] <membiblio> try to ssh into it please
[15:59:16] <membiblio> let's get you confidence that you are on the right track and let you deal with the machine in production - ok?
[15:59:39] <membiblio> lair82_ - you have a test linuxcnc box in your office?
[16:00:12] <lair82> Just did, logged into my test pc sitting behind me, using putty, with no issues
[16:01:03] <lair82> Lunch time, be back in a few, brain is boiling
[16:01:04] <membiblio> ok then you know what to do - also try with another machine on the shop floor please - one that is not in use
[16:01:12] <membiblio> ok tty soon lair82
[16:01:19] <membiblio> eat something healthy
[16:02:55] <PetefromTn_> I didn't...sorry
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[16:05:34] <__rob> Anyone familiar with the Tormach PCNC 1100 ?
[16:05:56] <cradek> hi rob, go ahead and ask your real question
[16:06:10] <__rob> wanted an opinion on it before buying one
[16:06:27] <t12> what kind of opinion
[16:06:28] <__rob> googling about it seems pretty decent
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[16:06:44] <t12> theyre a giant mess with coolant
[16:06:45] <__rob> either, wanted to ask someone who has used it what they think
[16:06:53] <t12> they work
[16:07:00] <__rob> if they wish they had bought soemthing else
[16:07:07] <__rob> or are happy
[16:07:26] <t12> i didnt buy one, just worjed with one already in a shop
[16:07:28] <t12> worked
[16:07:49] <t12> what are the other options in the price range
[16:08:24] <t12> the one i had blew some electronics occassionally
[16:08:42] <t12> motor driver stuff but nit hard to replace
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[16:10:05] <__rob> yea, not really much other option as I see it
[16:10:34] <__rob> still, its about £12,000 all in
[16:10:42] <__rob> so not crazy cheap
[16:11:03] <t12> really dependa on what youre doing or expect to do
[16:11:05] <PetefromTn_> there is the Novakon machines..
[16:11:19] <PetefromTn_> Torus Pro I think it is called...
[16:11:34] <__rob> 3rd url that comes up is "Novakon sucks"
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[16:12:39] <PetefromTn_> there is also the IH machine now called Charter Oak Automation
[16:12:49] <__rob> its mainly for prototypes, small bits of mechanical parts, nothing crazy
[16:13:00] <__rob> 99% aluminium
[16:13:32] <PetefromTn_> for awhile there was that Mikinimech machine
[16:14:08] <PetefromTn_> honestly I bypassed all of those chinese made CNC bedmills and bought a used Cincinatti Arrow 500 VMC and retrofitted it myself...
[16:14:20] <PetefromTn_> but that is a completely different animal
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[16:14:31] <t12> fine for that
[16:14:35] <__rob> well I want minimal time to get it up and running
[16:14:48] <t12> is there a tormach high speed spindle?
[16:14:59] <__rob> I dont want to mess around making a mill to make stuff.. which is why i am looking at ready to go machines
[16:15:01] <cradek> the tormach line really seems like the best of the import bed mills
[16:15:12] <cradek> I noticed recently they have a 10krpm smaller version
[16:15:55] <cradek> I've seen their product line in person and it seems well thought-out and they seem to have quality control
[16:16:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah I just could not see spending 15k on a chinese CNC that is way too close to a good used VMC for me to settle for
[16:16:10] <cradek> the duality thing was really poor but everything else seemed good
[16:16:45] <pcw_home> I think where Tormach excels is support
[16:16:52] <cradek> note I haven't made a single chip on a tormach
[16:17:38] <t12> the next up nice thing is what a used vmc
[16:17:43] <t12> haas mini or something
[16:18:05] <furrywolf> cradek: good thing having experience or knowledge isn't required to have an opinion... just ask the internet! :)
[16:18:47] <PetefromTn_> there are probably thousands of decent used VMC's for around that price range that work but you need to have the room/need for one to make it but most any of them will run circles around any tormach or other chinese bedmills...
[16:19:38] <t12> youd have tto put careful inspectiom work into it tho
[16:19:45] <t12> inspection
[16:19:56] <t12> to expect buy,deliver,work
[16:20:17] <pcw_home> The trade off with a used VMC is all support is expensive or up to you
[16:20:39] <pcw_home> just depends on what you want
[16:20:44] <PetefromTn_> I used to think so but honestly my expereince has shown that even a clapped out worn down commercial VMC is basically ten times the machine a tormach is really...
[16:21:29] <t12> but if its just small alum oneoffs
[16:21:37] <t12> doesnt matter so much really
[16:21:47] <PetefromTn_> Tormach machines are in thier own words basically good for just about .001" accuracy... Most VMC's are good well into the tenths nevermind the massive differences in Horsepower and speed
[16:21:54] <archivist> use the right tool for the job
[16:22:10] <PetefromTn_> Not saying Tormach sucks whatsoever here..
[16:22:10] <t12> plan your work and work your plan
[16:22:28] <PetefromTn_> just that I think people think they are just a small VMC
[16:22:36] <furrywolf> I'd much rather have a used VMC than a tormach, just because I've decided used quality goods are much better than new chinese goods...
[16:22:39] <PetefromTn_> and in reality they are nowhere near a vmc
[16:22:56] <archivist> you can use a loose machine, but do unidirectional gcode and get tenths
[16:23:05] <PetefromTn_> not that you can't make cool parts on one at all... there are many guys who have proven that is doable...
[16:23:25] <t12> then again to do thenths and need ti
[16:23:27] <t12> to
[16:23:45] <t12> youre the whole cost of a tormach in inspection gear anyway
[16:24:22] <PetefromTn_> they are stepper based machines built on Chinese castings that have been inspected a bit better than most and are setup to work reliably within their motors and drives capacities
[16:25:06] <PetefromTn_> they are not fast whatsoever nor do they have a lot of power but they can make a part for sure...
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[16:25:45] <PetefromTn_> and most accounts of owners I have read ( and I have followed them for a very long time now) has been positive. I even considered one myself for awhile....
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[16:28:16] <furrywolf> I'd take one over my shoptask any day. :P
[16:28:31] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[16:28:44] <PetefromTn_> but then you would not have a lathe?
[16:29:00] <archivist> fight shoptask 0 tormach 10
[16:29:14] <furrywolf> I could get another lathe. heh.
[16:29:19] <furrywolf> I still have my sherline!
[16:29:28] <PetefromTn_> well there ya go...
[16:30:36] <PetefromTn_> I hope I don't come across as a Tormach basher here... that is not my intention. I just want people to understand the difference between a Tormach and a commercial VMC
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[16:43:47] <CaptHindsight> all this "hater" nonsense has people walking on egg shells
[16:44:28] <PetefromTn_> ?
[16:44:56] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: you're just pointing out the facts
[16:45:44] <PetefromTn_> am I wrong? I was trying to be honest about what I have learned along the way here
[16:46:19] <CaptHindsight> I don't see how you are wrong for pointing out the obvious facts
[16:47:54] <jdh> I would take one over a commercial vmc
[16:48:06] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: what method worked on those holes in cast iron?
[16:48:23] <jdh> due to power and space constraints
[16:48:45] <PetefromTn_> haven't done it yet but leaning towards a rigid drill slightly undersize and following with a boring head/carbide insert boring bar
[16:49:30] <PetefromTn_> jdh agreed...they sell lots of them for that reason alone. they FIT where a lot of commercial VMC's will not and do not require three phase power.
[16:49:56] <jdh> hybrid 5 phase steppers?
[16:50:55] <pcw_home> 3 phase steppers
[16:51:13] <Simonious> In CAMBAM, I'm doing a profile - yesterday it generated a toolpath inside or outside of the line as specified, today it is following the line exactly - I'm new to CAMBAM, so I'm sure I'm missing something, what is it?
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[16:54:03] <PetefromTn_> Do you have your cutter chosen or have you changed the region fill style setting?
[16:54:56] <Simonious> I have the bit selected. I haven't done anything with fill style. Today's part has more lines, but the same basic shape is there and I'm only selecting the lines I care about..
[16:55:13] <PetefromTn_> which op did you select?
[16:55:17] <PetefromTn_> MOP
[16:55:20] <Simonious> PROFILE
[16:56:25] <PetefromTn_> you should be able to select inside/outside at the top in advanced menu]
[16:57:08] <Simonious> yes, I can - both generate ON the line instead of inside/outside like they did yesterday (my fault I'm sure) - changing from one to the other does reverse the direction the tool travels as you would expect.
[16:57:57] <PetefromTn_> I THINK if you have some sorta unrealistic or funny lead in it can do crazy things might play with those settings
[16:58:14] <Simonious> hmm, I'm not using any lead in..
[16:58:28] <Simonious> I'm just cutting plastic... HPDE I think..
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[16:59:24] <PetefromTn_> just go down thru the menu and change things one at a time is the best I can tell you... If you can't figure it out you can post on their forum and ask there and they are pretty good about answering your questions. You will have to post your .CBM file I think
[16:59:33] <PetefromTn_> does not matter what you are cutting really
[16:59:33] <Simonious> thanks
[17:00:17] <PetefromTn_> also try also try reselecting the drawing elements
[17:00:23] * Simonious nods
[17:00:25] <PetefromTn_> right click on the MOP
[17:00:44] <PetefromTn_> and select drawing elements
[17:01:09] <PetefromTn_> then right click again and generate toolpath
[17:01:18] <PetefromTn_> see if anything changes.
[17:01:30] <PetefromTn_> also play with the start point placement
[17:01:48] <PetefromTn_> not seeing your whole setup it is hard to guess what you are doing wrong
[17:02:03] <Simonious> alright, I'll fiddle with it, I'm getting the same thing, will get back to this in a bit.
[17:02:18] <PetefromTn_> sorry I could not help more
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[18:13:29] <tjtr33> avago whitepaper on new encoder , claims 0.05 degree for steppers ( i didnt look at it, just passing it along )
http://goo.gl/XrZ7qD
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[18:27:34] <furrywolf> grrrrr. ebay has made their search WORSE. again. Now the thumbnails on "small" are so large that only three search results fit on a 1024x768 screen.
[18:27:53] <furrywolf> I guess it's time to stylish ebay search results.
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[18:34:53] <furrywolf> ebay seems to be assuming their users are both blind and illiterate, since they keep increasing the size of images, but not the text...
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[18:53:09] <Sync_> why would they need to do so?
[18:53:17] <Sync_> when you can just virtually zoom in?
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[18:58:01] <furrywolf> firefox has an option to zoom only the text... what I want is an option to zoom only the images. out.
[19:07:16] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLW_Z4sVXL0 "aww, we're gonna get painted, guys." lol
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[19:31:36] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcQMNY2QD88 $700K for the bigger one, ROMI C1600H cnc lathe
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[19:33:41] <CaptHindsight> actually made in Brazil
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[19:36:30] <PetefromTn_> puny
[19:43:48] <PetefromTn_> that must be their Mini-lathe version ;)
[19:44:02] <Simonious> http://avagoresponsecenter.com/1016/Copied/9a9bb358-d58c-4a03-92ad-9be6df1834a5/ELDID/c5fd9c03-f80b-443d-9ccb-9c27270f8f08 anybody got any pricing on these yet?
[19:44:48] <PetefromTn_> nope but I have an avago encoder on my spindle :D
[19:45:28] <Tom_itx> is avago HP?
[19:45:42] <CaptHindsight> was HP
[19:45:53] <PetefromTn_> dunno but it IS US robotics apparently
[19:45:56] <Tom_itx> thought so
[19:46:06] <PCW> 240 RPM is rather a issue
[19:46:38] <CaptHindsight> Avago just bought Broadcom
[19:47:05] <PCW> good for robot joints etc
[19:47:16] <PCW> not servo motors
[19:48:40] <CaptHindsight> slow servos
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[19:53:14] <skunksleep> Rotory axis
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[21:10:11] <Loetmichel> *shit* now the fan of my main PC (gtx 650ti) GPU starts to snare... bearings kaput :-(
[21:11:09] <Deejay> automatische kaput! ;)
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[21:24:58] <Loetmichel> Deejay: "kaput" is known well in english speaking countries
[21:25:08] <Loetmichel> something we germans exported ;)
[21:25:18] <Deejay> hrhr
[21:26:48] <Deejay> like gesundheit
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[21:32:10] <kengu> what is a stepper driver that would be like one step up from the reprap hardware
[21:33:28] <furrywolf> a step up from reprap? anything. :P
[21:36:35] <Rab> kengu, you mean the little Pololu-style Allegro boards?
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[21:38:28] <Rab> kengu, search eBay for TB6560 and TB6600. I don't know how reliable those are, but they're certainly cheap.
[21:39:05] <andypugh> I believe that 6600 is better than 6560
[21:39:26] <kengu> i have had my eyes on those tb6560 and 6600 but as I have no experience on those
[21:39:45] <furrywolf> those boards seem to have a reputation for being crap, with lists of suggested modifications you can find googling to make them not instantly fail, not put out way under their rated current, not miss steps, etc.
[21:39:50] <Rab> The 6600 drivers usually seem to come with an enclosure.
[21:40:15] <JT-Shop> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x30duok_wolf-creek-8-4-15_lifestyle
[21:40:38] <furrywolf> bbl, dump run
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[21:42:12] <Rab> kengu, you can also try L298 based boards. Easier to heatsink than the Pololu drivers. But you need to generate the stepper phases yourself, using a microcontroller or a dedicated chip like the L297.
[21:42:33] <Rab> Dirt cheap though.
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[21:43:55] <Deejay> gn8
[21:44:16] <malcom2073> I have a set of 6600's, works pretty good. Uknown reliability though. I do hear the 6560's are crap though
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[21:47:30] <Rab> kengu, when you say one step up from reprap, you should quantify exactly what you need. E.g., want bigger steppers? Their parameters will determine the drivers you need.
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[21:51:00] <kengu> true
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[22:37:00] <Rickta59> TI has a bunch of drv8xxx stepper drivers that seem to scale up
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