#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-07-24

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[00:01:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah things like that will work for a day trip or even a couple day cruise but for extended living aboard a ship forget it. They are not real good for you either
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[00:11:08] <furrywolf> I don't think she was consious enough to remember being there. heh.
[00:12:01] <PetefromTn_> woah that must have sucked LOL
[00:17:53] <SpeedEvil> Just get a cabin at the centre of mass of the ship
[00:17:58] <SpeedEvil> With a gimbal
[00:18:18] <furrywolf> it doesn't work that way. lol
[00:18:47] <PetefromTn_> hehe I should have asked for that I guess.... hard to work and do search and rescue and fisheries patrols that way tho
[00:27:49] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/saIv90N.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2l77JJv.jpg USCGC Steadfast....my home for 2.5 years LOL
[00:27:57] <zeeshan> has anyone here adjusted a maho / deckel / mikron for "knod"
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[00:29:03] <zeeshan> "tramming"
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[00:35:55] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did you drop it?
[00:36:02] <zeeshan> no
[00:36:06] <zeeshan> its out by 2 thou
[00:36:08] <zeeshan> need to readjust
[00:36:21] <zeeshan> i also got an oscilloscope from my school
[00:36:27] <PetefromTn_> this is with your vertical head installed right
[00:36:29] <zeeshan> going to hook it up the the encoder today and see whats up
[00:36:34] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: yes
[00:36:47] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you make a good point
[00:36:50] <zeeshan> i should remove the vertical head
[00:36:55] <zeeshan> and mount the dial indicator directly to the ram
[00:36:58] <zeeshan> and see if i have the same prob
[00:37:01] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: is this the one with the encoder/scale problems?
[00:37:02] <zeeshan> that way i can isolate the problem
[00:37:06] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: yes
[00:37:31] <PetefromTn_> not sure I understand how can you test the tram with a fixed point?
[00:37:34] <CaptHindsight> did you solve that? just wondering
[00:37:54] <zeeshan> no im gonna do that today
[00:38:30] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you mount the mag base on the face the vertical head mounts to
[00:38:33] <zeeshan> then move the ram in and out
[00:38:49] <zeeshan> that'll show if it's something to do with the mating surfaces of the vertical head and ram
[00:39:16] <PetefromTn_> thats right that is your Y axis correct?
[00:39:53] <zeeshan> my Y axis isn't parallel to the table
[00:39:55] <zeeshan> is the problem
[00:41:29] <PetefromTn_> and the table is your Z axis goes up and down.. Have you checked/adjusted the gibs on the knee if the knee is loose it will lean away from the column but I don't know much about your machine really
[00:41:51] <zeeshan> no i havent checked that
[00:42:01] <zeeshan> if it was the Z axis
[00:42:02] <zeeshan> er
[00:42:05] <zeeshan> z axis on the table
[00:42:14] <zeeshan> when i indicate along the y axis
[00:42:17] <zeeshan> wouldn't it change?
[00:42:52] <PetefromTn_> if your table is leaning away from the colum and you travel the Y away from the column it would change in Z height as it goes away I think..
[00:43:06] <zeeshan> yes
[00:43:10] <zeeshan> but you're saying the table droop
[00:43:12] <zeeshan> is a static thing?
[00:43:16] <zeeshan> so no matter what z height im at
[00:43:18] <zeeshan> it's leaning forward
[00:43:32] <zeeshan> (i didnt check which way it's leaning -- i should check)
[00:43:33] <PetefromTn_> I am not saying anything just thinking out loud...
[00:43:40] <zeeshan> yea :)
[00:43:41] <PetefromTn_> I don't know your machine very well at all
[00:43:42] <zeeshan> okay first problems first
[00:43:47] <zeeshan> i ened to fix the encoder issue
[00:44:07] <PetefromTn_> good luck
[00:44:10] <zeeshan> :D
[00:45:04] <furrywolf> only coast guard boats here are little aluminum rescue boats
[00:45:35] <PetefromTn_> not so little LOL... the 47 Motor lifeboats are up there in Cape Disappointment washington
[00:45:44] <furrywolf> and they end up doing most rescues by helicopter anyway!
[00:46:17] <furrywolf> there's so little actual marine rescues around here, they're always sending the choppers around to rescue hikers and the like just to keep everyone practiced.
[00:46:25] <PetefromTn_> actually the USCGC Steadfast is in Orgeon or washington now they refreshed the ship shortly after I got off and moved it to the NW
[00:46:25] <zeeshan> rofl PetefromTn_
[00:46:31] <zeeshan> someone mentioned something funny on the web
[00:46:37] <zeeshan> guess how they corrected for the "Droop"
[00:46:44] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf actually that is not true at all
[00:46:45] <zeeshan> they software compensatied
[00:46:46] <zeeshan> :D
[00:47:18] <PetefromTn_> I served at the USCGAS Sacramento on the C130 aircraft and we were constantly doing search and rescue operations off the coast
[00:47:20] <Valen> tram is making the spindle perpendicular to the XY axis of the machine
[00:47:55] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I'm 6 hours from sacramento, so unless USCGAS Sacramento isn't near sacramento...
[00:47:56] <Valen> not the same thing as getting the axies perpendicular and straight
[00:48:13] <PetefromTn_> they usually involved the C130 doing the searching, followed by the helis heading out to load the people and or a small boat leaving the coast out of several different stations to do closer in shore rescues etc.
[00:48:39] <Valen> boats are also going to be useful when you want to get 30 people off a cargo ship
[00:48:46] <PetefromTn_> 6 hours is nothing for a C130 or heli and there are small boat stations all along the coast
[00:48:54] <Valen> or if its balls weather and the heli's aren't going to fly
[00:49:02] <PetefromTn_> ^^
[00:49:59] <furrywolf> http://www.uscg.mil/d11/staHumboldtBay/ the small boat station here
[00:50:16] <PetefromTn_> the helis can only fly so far on thier fuel load actually and the larger cutters or navy vessels have to refuel them offshore to extend their range and if the ships are close enough they will go instead but nothing beats an aircraft intercept
[00:50:32] <PetefromTn_> YUP
[00:50:36] <PetefromTn_> the 47MLB
[00:50:40] <PetefromTn_> that is an amazing boat
[00:50:46] <CaptHindsight> Valen: how concerned are you of the Indonesians invading anytime soon?
[00:50:48] <Valen> heh I'm inaustralia and looked at buying one of those
[00:51:07] <PetefromTn_> and the rigid hull inflatable boats are really fast
[00:51:08] <Valen> indonesians not much at all, (well at least not as long as the F111's are still flying
[00:51:20] <Valen> china however, that is a real concern
[00:51:39] <PetefromTn_> they can take a pretty big wave too and of course are almost unsinkable due to their design
[00:51:41] <Valen> all the farmers here are going broke and the chinese govt is buying up the land
[00:52:04] <Valen> they then ship the food straight to china, there is no sale so no tax revenue
[00:52:37] <Valen> at some point somebody is going to try and "nationalise" those farms again, by which time china may well be dependant on them for food
[00:52:48] <Valen> that is probably going to be a bad day
[00:52:49] <furrywolf> and then we have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coast_Guard_Air_Station_Humboldt_Bay
[00:52:56] <CaptHindsight> interesting
[00:53:08] <furrywolf> "Air Station Humboldt Bay consists of 3 MH-65C helicopters" and, as I said, just helicopters. lol
[00:53:33] <Valen> oh bugger, we aren't flying the F111 any more
[00:53:42] <CaptHindsight> oops
[00:53:43] <Valen> ok, now i am a little bit worried about indonesia
[00:54:00] <PetefromTn_> yup there are quite a few CGAS along the west coast
[00:54:21] <Valen> we are still flying FA-18's, but they don't have the hitting power at the distance of the 111
[00:54:29] <furrywolf> they don't get much actual use doing marine rescue, so they're always sending them to rescue hikers and the like, doubling as a general search-and-rescue service... which seems like a good idea to me, since it keeps the crews trained, while not needing to have a dedicated inland SAR team.
[00:54:31] <PetefromTn_> only two have C130 longer range aircraft as I recall
[00:54:59] <PetefromTn_> Coast Guardsmen respond to ALL SORTS of emergencies
[00:55:08] <PetefromTn_> as well as natural disasters
[00:55:14] <PetefromTn_> drug interdiction operations
[00:55:23] <PetefromTn_> you name it
[00:55:35] <CaptHindsight> Valen: "The Australian Government intends to buy at least 72 F-35A Lightning II aircraft to re-equip the RAAF's air combat force between 2014 and 2021"
[00:55:38] <Valen> A former PM of Indonesia has said that some of his more right wing people were getting grumpy with Australia but shut up when he pointed out that Australia's F111s could put a bomb on their table in an hour
[00:55:40] <furrywolf> every time they do a rescue it gets published in one of the sections of the local paper, and it's "stranded hikers rescued" most of the time. :)
[00:55:50] <Valen> CaptHindsight: friggin STUPID thing to do again
[00:55:51] <PetefromTn_> most people really do not understand the varied missions of the Coast Guard
[00:56:02] <Valen> F35 does nothing at all for any role we would wish to fill
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[00:56:56] <Valen> as a multi role aircraft it sucks equally at everything
[00:57:03] <Valen> also it doesn't like flying in the heat
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[00:57:11] <furrywolf> there was one real marine rescue last month I think it was... sailboat with both engines failed and sails shredded in high seas.
[00:57:16] <Valen> seems like a great plane for *Australia* to get
[00:58:15] <PetefromTn_> to be honest marine rescues occurred almost daily when I was stationed in Sacto
[00:58:24] <PetefromTn_> even if we were not involved
[00:58:24] <furrywolf> most of the rescues they do seem to be human error... let's go out on the ocean without remembering to get fuel first! oh dear, we're stranded, let's call the coast guard to give us fuel!
[00:58:38] <PetefromTn_> we always listened in and had to be ready to assist
[00:58:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah there is a lot of that...
[00:59:01] <PetefromTn_> irresponsible boat owners
[00:59:11] <PetefromTn_> intoxicated boat owners that are irresponsbile
[00:59:16] <PetefromTn_> ible
[01:00:08] <PetefromTn_> remember too that we protect the area all the way to Hawaii and beyond so any maritime emergency anywhere out there would be responded to
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[01:01:03] <mozmck> Anyone in Conneticut?
[01:01:04] <furrywolf> I think the station here only handles local stuff, and with the demise of fishing, logging, and any imports or exports from our harbor, there's a lot less of it than there once was.
[01:01:14] <mozmck> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bfs/5126984768.html
[01:02:01] <PetefromTn_> connecticut?
[01:02:06] <furrywolf> mozmck: 3,596,677 according to wikipedia
[01:03:01] <furrywolf> also, you don't want to do business with anyone dishonest enough to spam craigslist.
[01:03:06] <mozmck> yeah, mis-spelled it
[01:03:11] <CaptHindsight> Valen: http://www.afr.com/news/politics/australian-fear-of-invasion-lowest-in-50-years-20150702-gi3ch7
[01:03:39] <CaptHindsight> Valen: just opinion?
[01:03:41] <mozmck> I see a number of machines from up north on dallas craigslist lately.
[01:04:11] <PetefromTn_> thats true people post machined from far distances on our local craigslist all the time.
[01:04:17] <Valen> I file it under the "people are stupid" factor
[01:04:31] <CaptHindsight> heh, just like here
[01:04:32] <Valen> I am also talking in 20-30 years
[01:04:57] <Valen> the terrorist attack thing is stupid
[01:05:08] <furrywolf> any post from out of the area on craigslist is from an asshole. usually because their price is stupidly high, and they're under the mistaken belief that the more people they spam it to, the more it will sell for.
[01:05:12] <CaptHindsight> yes, lost of problems ahead when the current generation of leaders have passed on
[01:05:37] <Valen> I mean I'm certain there will be, particularly given how much air time Big Tone is giving to the "death cult"
[01:05:47] <furrywolf> honest people follow the craigslist terms of use, and basic politeness, and don't spam.
[01:06:13] <Valen> but odds are it'll be a max of 100 people injured or killed (statically), 3x that many people die on the roads each year
[01:06:18] <PetefromTn_> ya know you say that but I can say that I am one of those nut jobs that will drive long distances for the right deal hehe
[01:06:50] <CaptHindsight> Valen: accidents, bacteria, stupidity etc
[01:06:55] <furrywolf> Valen: Won't someone PLEASE think of the children?!
[01:06:55] <Valen> correction 10x that number die on the roads each year
[01:07:00] <CaptHindsight> but those aren't as scary
[01:07:22] <Valen> TBH diabetus, cancer and road collision are my biggest fears
[01:08:04] <Valen> for the near term future anyway
[01:08:23] <PetefromTn_> looks like my ship is not located in Warrenton Orgeon just north of Portland hehe
[01:08:28] <CaptHindsight> yeah antibiotic resistant bacteria are more of threat than terrorists
[01:08:28] <PetefromTn_> now
[01:08:30] <Valen> invasion as a result of global economic collapse, that is something I see in the longer term future
[01:08:32] <furrywolf> don't live off crisps and soda, and the first one won't be a problem. :P
[01:08:44] <Valen> furrywolf: doesn't quite work like that ;-P
[01:09:38] <furrywolf> you sure? :P
[01:09:45] <furrywolf> that's what the news is always saying causes it...
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[01:10:04] <Valen> I am also of the belief that australia does actually have a plan in place to rapidly develop an A bomb. All the people and facilities are picked out and it gets updated from time to time
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[01:10:30] <Valen> though it'd be too slow to work like a damn these days
[01:10:56] <Valen> in the 60's-70's when it was developed you could have a few months warning that crap was going to go down
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[01:11:46] <furrywolf> Of course they have a plan... a strategic alliance with people who already have them.
[01:13:33] <Valen> which worked out so dang well for the ukraine
[01:13:57] <furrywolf> lol
[01:14:20] <Valen> (America took all the old USSR nukes from the ukraine so they wouldn't fall into "the wrong hands" with the assurance that the USA would protect them from Russian aggression in the future
[01:15:48] <CaptHindsight> Valen: I guess there no concern from Malaysia since they can't seem to keep flights in the air :)
[01:16:19] <CaptHindsight> oh I just kid the Malaysians
[01:16:40] <furrywolf> I'd rate israel as far more likely to start a nuclear war than the ukraine.
[01:17:30] <Valen> Ukraine was actually rather more concerned with people stealing them and selling them just post the fall of the USSR
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[01:18:04] <furrywolf> speaking of which, anyone here in ukraine want to fedex me an abandonned RTG? I keep hearing they're just lying around for the taking. :P
[01:18:12] <Valen> in terms of starting one today, yeah Israel
[01:18:44] <furrywolf> preferably one with the shielding not yet sold for scrap metal
[01:20:15] <Valen> you just want to put it under your bed to keep you warm right?
[01:20:20] <furrywolf> lol
[01:20:32] <furrywolf> I was thinking more of in my shed to keep the batteries charged.
[01:21:41] <furrywolf> I have enough things under my bed already. :P
[01:23:31] <furrywolf> (some of which have batteries that need charging, but still not putting the rtg under there with them)
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[01:30:09] <zeeshan> man im failing at using an oscilloscope
[01:30:35] <furrywolf> lol
[01:30:52] <furrywolf> connect probes. select appropriate voltage and time divisions. select appropriate trigger settings.
[01:30:57] <zeeshan> dude
[01:31:00] <zeeshan> youre too far ahead
[01:31:03] <zeeshan> i cant even get the handle down
[01:31:04] <zeeshan> ROFL
[01:31:06] <zeeshan> in front of the screen
[01:31:25] <furrywolf> push pivot points of handle inwards
[01:31:36] <zeeshan> http://www.hamsterking.com/temp/pm3055-fullsize.jpg
[01:31:37] <zeeshan> this is the scope
[01:31:52] <zeeshan> i can see the pulses flash
[01:31:54] <zeeshan> when i move the encoder
[01:32:02] <zeeshan> but, they dissapear too fast
[01:32:38] <furrywolf> if you don't have a storage 'scope or a digital 'scope, that happens.
[01:33:03] <zeeshan> i saw the guy freeze it
[01:33:06] <zeeshan> at school
[01:33:10] <zeeshan> i'm not sure how he did it
[01:34:16] <cpresser> run/stop button
[01:34:30] <zeeshan> where do you see that
[01:35:03] <furrywolf> first of all, is that thing analog or digital? lol
[01:35:19] <zeeshan> analog i think
[01:35:24] <zeeshan> theres a crt!
[01:35:38] <furrywolf> yes, but older digital 'scopes had CRTs.
[01:35:51] <furrywolf> I'm downloading the manual now, but at 9MB, it'll be a while.
[01:36:29] <furrywolf> if it's what I suspect, an analog 'scope with digital controls tacked onto it, it might not have a way to store a waveform. if it's a digital scope, then it will.
[01:37:07] <furrywolf> the presence of the ALT/CHOP switch suggests analog and no way to save a waveform
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[01:37:50] <zeeshan> there is a "Single shot mode"
[01:38:20] <furrywolf> are you sure the person at school wasn't just showing a continuous signal source?
[01:38:26] <zeeshan> maybe he was
[01:38:33] <zeeshan> he had it hooked to the test port
[01:38:35] <zeeshan> of the scope
[01:38:55] <furrywolf> lol
[01:38:59] <zeeshan> :)
[01:38:59] <furrywolf> yes, that's a continuous signal.
[01:39:28] * cpresser found the manual...
[01:39:35] <zeeshan> i dont even know what im trying to look at
[01:39:36] <cpresser> 1. press menu and keep it pressed
[01:39:37] <furrywolf> first part of the manual sure sounds like a plain analog 'scope, with no storage function. so there's not going to be any way to freeze a waveform for you to study.
[01:39:44] <cpresser> 2. press 'auto set'
[01:39:58] <cpresser> 3. display should show "1 2 AS 3"
[01:40:12] <cpresser> 4. to enter AS mode, press reset
[01:40:31] <cpresser> single-shot: to enter single-shot press 'v' of channel up-down
[01:40:57] <furrywolf> single shot trigger != continuing to show the same thing on the display after it triggers...
[01:41:13] <zeeshan> what kind of pos is this
[01:41:15] <zeeshan> that c an't show the waveform
[01:41:19] <zeeshan> after it's triggered lol
[01:41:38] <cpresser> stop, is way easier...
[01:41:49] <zeeshan> "stop"?
[01:41:57] <cpresser> just press TB-Trig-Mode multiple times. one of the modes is single
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[01:42:25] <zeeshan> ok lemme try that
[01:42:26] <cpresser> and use 'reset' to re-arm the scope
[01:42:37] <zeeshan> i'm confused on what im trying to look for those
[01:42:40] <zeeshan> *though
[01:42:52] <zeeshan> these guys said inspect the input side of the interpolator (analot output of scale)
[01:43:02] <zeeshan> and inspect output of interpolator (digital output of scale)
[01:43:12] <zeeshan> i hooked it up to digital side and i can see square waves
[01:43:15] <zeeshan> nothing weird about em
[01:43:23] <zeeshan> at least on phase A
[01:43:29] <zeeshan> i haven't seen the analog side yet
[01:43:51] <furrywolf> cpresser: I think you're missing what he's asking. He wants to freeze a transient waveform on the display for analysis. being an analog non-storage 'scope, there's no way to do this.
[01:43:57] <cpresser> manual: http://radioman64.e-monsite.com/medias/files/philips-20pm3055-20operating-20manual.pdf
[01:44:29] <cpresser> furrywolf: it seems to have single-shot. what use is single-shot when the scope cant store it?
[01:44:47] <furrywolf> cpresser: so you don't get a whole bunch of overlapping traces
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[01:46:31] <cpresser> the basic function of a crt scope is to show overlapping traces. otherwise your eye would be to slow!?
[01:47:00] <furrywolf> no, the phosphors glow for a significant period of time
[01:47:45] <cpresser> afaik there are even 'static' screens which glow quite some time and require a wipe
[01:48:03] <furrywolf> yes, those are called storage 'scopes. that is not one.
[01:48:28] <cpresser> i cant recall how it was working with non digital scopes :)
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[01:51:37] <furrywolf> they use some crt phosphor trickery to hold the display for a short period of time (a few minutes tops) for analysis. it's something like firing a continuous beam of electrons over the whole display and that keeps the glowing bits glowing. it slowly fades.
[01:53:22] <furrywolf> I still have my analog 'scope, and still know how to use it. lol
[01:53:26] <furrywolf> but I use my digital one for virtually everything.
[01:55:21] <furrywolf> I have a tek 465b (analog), a tek tds-210 (digital), and a tek 214 (analog, storage), that's broken and currently sitting on top of one of my living room speakers in way too many pieces to hope it's going back together.
[01:56:30] <furrywolf> the digital 'scope can do things no analog 'scope can do, like a negative trigger delay. show me what the waveform looked like 1ms BEFORE triggering.
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[01:58:20] <zeeshan-mill> hi friends
[01:58:53] <furrywolf> make it work yet? :P
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[01:59:46] <furrywolf> my suggestion would be running the mill at a very very slow feedrate back and forth from one end to the other, so you have a continuous signal to look at.
[02:00:55] <furrywolf> the slowest feedrate you can that results in continuous, even servo rotation.
[02:01:53] <zeeshan-mill> yea dude
[02:01:56] <zeeshan-mill> wtf ?
[02:02:02] <zeeshan-mill> the y axis isnt losing position anymore
[02:02:07] <zeeshan-mill> nor is it hunting anymore
[02:02:09] <zeeshan-mill> WTF
[02:02:25] <furrywolf> ah! you fixed it by threatening to attach test equipment. this is a very common repair.
[02:03:06] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[02:03:06] <PetefromTn_> Oh man that sucks....nothing worse than an intermittent problem
[02:03:09] <zeeshan-mill> whats going on here?
[02:03:14] <zeeshan-mill> maybe the connector was a bit lose?
[02:03:16] <zeeshan-mill> *loose
[02:03:32] <zeeshan-mill> that is all that changed..
[02:03:38] <furrywolf> connector could be loose. if the 'scope is currently attached, the additional capacitance could be hiding an analog issue.
[02:03:58] <zeeshan-mill> yea its still attached
[02:04:01] <zeeshan-mill> ts making pretty sine waves
[02:04:09] <zeeshan-mill> and you were right you cant store
[02:04:16] <zeeshan-mill> but cpresser's guide helped me set it up
[02:04:35] <zeeshan-mill> like i see a typical sine wave on the scope
[02:04:37] <zeeshan-mill> with no noise in it
[02:04:56] <furrywolf> attaching a 'scope can significantly alter a weak analog signal
[02:05:20] <furrywolf> check that the amplitude and dc offset are correct for the signal you're expecting
[02:06:54] <furrywolf> I've never had a machine with servos, so I have no clue what it should look like. heh.
[02:07:53] <zeeshan-mill> well
[02:07:55] <zeeshan-mill> i remove the scope
[02:07:57] <zeeshan-mill> and its still fine
[02:07:59] <zeeshan-mill> wtf :p
[02:08:21] <furrywolf> loose plug? :P
[02:08:25] <furrywolf> and/or you scared it into working.
[02:08:51] <zeeshan-mill> well dude
[02:08:52] <furrywolf> check for corrosion or loose contacts (spread wide, etc) on any plugs you touched during this process.
[02:08:53] <zeeshan-mill> when i saw the thing
[02:08:57] <zeeshan-mill> it looked a bit loose.
[02:09:09] <zeeshan-mill> it had about 1/8 gap
[02:09:13] <zeeshan-mill> to bottoming out
[02:09:20] <furrywolf> lol
[02:09:47] <furrywolf> and is it now bottoming out?
[02:10:08] <zeeshan-mill> yes
[02:10:15] <furrywolf> so... user error?
[02:10:19] <zeeshan-mill> on a bright note
[02:10:25] <furrywolf> also, why is it a non-locking plug?
[02:10:33] <zeeshan-mill> the y servo sounds like it did when i first started the machine
[02:10:37] <zeeshan-mill> and everything was working correctly
[02:10:41] <zeeshan-mill> no idea
[02:10:44] <zeeshan-mill> ask heidenhain
[02:10:53] <zeeshan-mill> its that shitty molex connection
[02:10:56] <furrywolf> was it sounding different before?
[02:10:57] <zeeshan-mill> that relies on friction or something
[02:10:59] <furrywolf> ah
[02:11:04] <zeeshan-mill> yea originally it sounded quiet
[02:11:09] <zeeshan-mill> lately it was making weird noises
[02:11:15] <furrywolf> yeah, molex plugs suck. they are, however, dirt cheap and available in small quantities.
[02:11:23] <furrywolf> I have three molex plug designer kits...
[02:11:24] <zeeshan-mill> this experience has made me realize
[02:11:33] <zeeshan-mill> that it would be nice to have encoders on the servos.
[02:11:40] <zeeshan-mill> this way you can cross check
[02:11:42] <zeeshan-mill> and ferror out
[02:11:46] <zeeshan-mill> and enver have a tool crash
[02:11:55] <zeeshan-mill> yea molex is cheap
[02:12:09] <zeeshan-mill> brb gonna reboot and see if things change
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[02:12:21] <furrywolf> unplug it, and use a mini screwdriver to carefully squish the female pins (usually in the male housing) tighter. they're formed from stamped crap metal, and slowly spread with time.
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[02:19:37] <zeeshan-mill> moment of truth
[02:20:28] <zeeshan-mill> yay it sounds the same!
[02:20:50] <ffurrywol> unplug it and use a mini screwdriver to squish the female pins (usually, but not always, in the male housing) slightly tighter. they're made from stamped crappy metal and slowly spread with time/cycles.
[02:21:10] <zeeshan-mill> ts fixed.
[02:21:24] <zeeshan-mill> i zip tied the wire
[02:21:27] <zeeshan-mill> to a zip tie mount
[02:21:28] <ffurrywol> it's not fixed. it still has molex connectors. it's just working. :P
[02:21:30] <zeeshan-mill> its not gonna move now
[02:21:33] <CaptHindsight> cpresser: phosphors used for CRT screens are available in different amounts of persistance, TV tubes used relatively fast ones since you wanted 60hz refresh
[02:22:03] <ffurrywol> CaptHindsight: I had a b&w TV with phosphors so slow you could draw on it with a flashlight. :P
[02:22:11] <zeeshan-mill> ok now to see the tramming issue
[02:22:13] <CaptHindsight> for scopes they can choose phosphores that are persistant in the several seconds
[02:22:19] <ffurrywol> my hercules monitor was even worse.
[02:22:36] <CaptHindsight> phosphors/phosphores
[02:23:40] <ffurrywol> I once got bored and showed someone that you could draw a smileyface on the hercules monitor with a maglight and it'd still be there 30 seconds later.
[02:23:57] <ffurrywol> it had a nice picture... but fast updates were not its strong point.
[02:24:06] <zeeshan-mill> PetefromTn_, you were right
[02:24:09] <zeeshan-mill> i think the table is drooping
[02:24:16] <ffurrywol> it was a portrait paper-white monitor. a serious rarity. :)
[02:24:23] <zeeshan-mill> its tilted forward if you were to look at the machine from the side
[02:24:31] <zeeshan-mill> i have the indicator mounted right to the ram
[02:25:24] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: I think Monster Cable makes special pixie dust coated encoder cables :)
[02:25:31] <ffurrywol> lol
[02:25:51] <zeeshan-mill> rofl
[02:25:55] <zeeshan-mill> fak monster cable
[02:26:02] <zeeshan-mill> ricers run em!
[02:26:50] <ffurrywol> I have some monster cable 10AWG speaker cable... got it at a yardsale... I have it in a box, because it doesn't fit in either my speakers or my amps. lol
[02:27:06] <ffurrywol> while the #16 lamp cord fits great. :P
[02:27:19] <zeeshan-mill> nm
[02:27:23] <zeeshan-mill> the table is LIFTEd up
[02:27:25] <zeeshan-mill> from the front
[02:27:28] <zeeshan-mill> not drooping down
[02:27:33] * ffurrywol hands zee a big sledge
[02:27:39] ffurrywol is now known as furrywolf
[02:33:31] * zeeshan-mill tries to setup tools
[02:33:44] * furrywolf needs a better machine
[02:33:57] <zeeshan-mill> shuddap
[02:34:02] <zeeshan-mill> make use of what you got
[02:34:06] <zeeshan-mill> im stuck with a shitty lathe
[02:34:09] <zeeshan-mill> i use it still though!
[02:34:31] <zeeshan-mill> cradek are you there
[02:34:33] <furrywolf> your idea of "shitty" is far better than anything I own. heh.
[02:34:48] <zeeshan-mill> we have a shoptask like yours
[02:34:51] <zeeshan-mill> at the makerspace
[02:34:55] <zeeshan-mill> ive made decent parts on it
[02:35:04] <zeeshan-mill> its not a great mill
[02:35:07] <zeeshan-mill> but its a very good lathe
[02:35:12] <zeeshan-mill> you like dildos
[02:35:14] <zeeshan-mill> make dildos.
[02:35:16] <zeeshan-mill> :-)
[02:35:18] <furrywolf> lol
[02:36:41] <furrywolf> I need to figure out cad/cam before I get a better machine. this machine is capable of most things I'm capable of writing by hand.
[02:37:10] <zeeshan-mill> what do you mean figure out
[02:37:16] <zeeshan-mill> like learn it?
[02:37:31] <furrywolf> find working, affordable software, then learn it
[02:37:38] <zeeshan-mill> waREZ
[02:37:42] <zeeshan-mill> student version
[02:37:44] <zeeshan-mill> :)
[02:37:49] <furrywolf> that runs on a usable operating system
[02:37:59] <zeeshan-mill> NX
[02:38:05] <furrywolf> ?
[02:38:08] <zeeshan-mill> siemens nx
[02:38:13] <zeeshan-mill> works in linux
[02:38:15] <zeeshan-mill> has cam and cad in it
[02:38:19] <zeeshan-mill> very high learning curve though
[02:38:24] <zeeshan-mill> but stupid powerful
[02:39:02] <furrywolf> I don't think there's cad software without a very high learning curve.
[02:39:07] <zeeshan-mill> there is
[02:39:11] <zeeshan-mill> solidworks
[02:39:15] <zeeshan-mill> and inventor
[02:39:24] <furrywolf> I mean, you're supposed to take two semesters to learn how to use a pencil and paper... :P
[02:39:28] <zeeshan-mill> i can give show you around the basics in about 2 hours
[02:39:36] <Praesmeodymium> autdesks fusion 360 is a free to hobbyiest version of inventor
[02:39:52] <zeeshan-mill> fusion 360 is also a pos
[02:40:03] <zeeshan-mill> :)
[02:40:16] <Praesmeodymium> not gonna disagree, for making simple stls for my3d printer it gets there
[02:40:30] <furrywolf> what about for a mill, not a glue gun? :)
[02:40:40] <zeeshan-mill> you can use it for a mill
[02:40:53] <zeeshan-mill> but its like they purposely made it so you'd commit suicide after 1 week of using it
[02:41:18] <furrywolf> lol
[02:41:31] <Praesmeodymium> yeah its not very smart, like you have to make and add joints in a very specific order to get them to move right
[02:41:51] <zeeshan-mill> Praesmeodymium, i dont understand why they made the mating so barbaric
[02:42:04] <zeeshan-mill> like almost all cad software have it working right
[02:42:10] <zeeshan-mill> these guys went through the hassle to make it harder to use
[02:42:34] <Praesmeodymium> I was trying to get a piston and rotor linkage modeled lol just say no in 360
[02:42:48] <furrywolf> according to their website, it's not free. also, their website fucking sucks. I haven't been able to find anything else about it yet, because it doesn't work.
[02:43:13] <zeeshan-mill> i usually don't endorse a software
[02:43:25] <Praesmeodymium> its free for a bunch of reasons, I just passed my first year and had to renew... still free
[02:43:31] <zeeshan-mill> but i really have used a couple cad software both professionally , for education and for hobby
[02:43:32] <furrywolf> do they simply not understand that not everyone has a gigabit internet connection?
[02:43:33] <CaptHindsight> NX totally rocks
[02:43:48] <CaptHindsight> even in the 90's
[02:43:50] <zeeshan-mill> nx, inventor, catia, solidworks, solidedge
[02:43:53] <furrywolf> I've been loading their website since someone first mentioned it, and it's STILL not loaded in any useful fashion.
[02:44:00] <zeeshan-mill> by far my favourite is solidworks
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[02:44:14] <zeeshan-mill> after using the other software, my head usually is hurting
[02:44:16] <Praesmeodymium> thats the one all my pro friends swear by
[02:44:20] <malcom2073> furrywolf: forget about cloud software with DSL :P
[02:44:26] <zeeshan-mill> but after solidworks, it feels like you didnt even do any work
[02:44:31] <zeeshan-mill> and im not exagerrating
[02:44:40] <furrywolf> fusion 360 appears to be $40 a month (fuck that!), "cloud based" (so utterly worthless), and doesn't run on usable operating systems.
[02:44:55] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: I rotate weekly bettween them. It keeps me freshly confused
[02:44:59] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Check out onshape :P
[02:45:03] <zeeshan-mill> CaptHindsight, haha
[02:45:05] <zeeshan-mill> between which?
[02:45:24] <furrywolf> their website also doesn't function on a 1024x768 screen. are they on drugs?
[02:45:35] <os1r1s> furrywolf: You can do the non-profit version of 360 for free for 3 year
[02:45:36] <os1r1s> s
[02:45:42] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Typically, if you're still running 1024x768, you don't have internet anyway
[02:45:43] <zeeshan-mill> can someone help me setup tools on a mill
[02:45:46] <zeeshan-mill> id greatly appreciate it
[02:45:54] <zeeshan-mill> step by step
[02:45:56] <zeeshan-mill> i learn better by doing
[02:46:02] <zeeshan-mill> i want to use the table + dowel method
[02:46:07] <zeeshan-mill> im in g53 right ow
[02:46:08] <CaptHindsight> SW has cut (add) and extrude (remove), NX has extrude to both add and remove
[02:46:22] <furrywolf> os1r1s: no, I can't do, because it's not for any operating systems I use, and apparantly is some worthless cloud garbage anyway, despite needing to download binaries.
[02:46:43] <os1r1s> furrywolf: It works ok. I've used the CAM side.
[02:47:00] <furrywolf> how can something both be cloud based AND need OS-specific binaries? isn't the entire point of cloud crap to NOT need local binaries?
[02:47:03] <os1r1s> furrywolf: Pretty sure it works on linux too
[02:47:24] <furrywolf> os1r1s: again, it's not going to work for me.
[02:47:25] <furrywolf> I'm not changing my operating system nor moving somewhere with broadband just to run a piece of software.
[02:47:43] <os1r1s> Ok
[02:48:59] <zeeshan-mill> .625
[02:49:21] <CaptHindsight> I get all my CAD software when in China for ~$2
[02:49:36] <furrywolf> if I try downloading it, I get "ur operating system is not supported. Fusion 360 is supported on 64-bit Windows 7 or newer and 64-bit Mac OS X 10.9 or new". yes, it's missing both the start and the end. because they're UTTERLY FUCKING INCOMPETENT and can't write a website that renders at 1024x768, nor CSS that lets text wrap instead of clipping.
[02:49:38] <malcom2073> Why buy pirate software? Just pirate it yourself for free?
[02:50:19] <furrywolf> I have a hard time imagining a company that can't master basic web design can write cloud software.
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[02:50:54] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: these are all from legit sites, Solidworkers, SeeMens, PTTTC etc :)
[02:51:20] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: Certainly doesn't sound entirely legit :P
[02:51:32] <CaptHindsight> AutoDesking
[02:52:18] <CaptHindsight> it's just the translation, after all Chinese doesn't use the same alphabet :)
[02:52:22] * furrywolf writes a cad program and names it HeadDesk
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[02:59:46] <furrywolf> NX doesn't seem to have anything on their website about either pricing or OS support. They do, however, have a working website, so I assume their product is far superior to Fusion 360. (really. first impressions matter. If your website fucking sucks, that's what everyone will think about you!)
[03:00:19] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: you'll have to ping cradek in the morning, I don't think he's ever on this late
[03:04:00] <zeeshan-mill> ah
[03:05:22] <furrywolf> I don't see how companies don't realize that their website forms a customer's first impression of them, and thus try to make them not suck.
[03:07:36] <furrywolf> I'm sure if these companies had a physical showroom, it'd be shiny, clean, and functional. It wouldn't have broken furniture, doors to nowhere, sparking wires, etc. And yet that's how they run their websites...
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[03:09:44] <furrywolf> NX is apparantly in the $30,000 price range, the linux version has fewer features than the windows version, and it requires hardware 3d acceleration. so.... no.
[03:12:29] <furrywolf> because obviously someone is going to spend the cost of a new sportscar for a piece of software.
[03:12:35] <furrywolf> or a new house.
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[03:49:58] <furrywolf> argh. I emailed someone on craigslist about a pickup shell, asking what vehicle it fits. I got back "It fit any standard size truck bed ". Really? didn't even mention short or long? lol
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[04:02:38] <spline> heh
[04:02:55] <spline> 'yeah I got tires for sale" "what size?" "I don't know. they fit on a car's wheel"
[04:03:30] <furrywolf> lol
[04:05:31] <furrywolf> I've had pretty much that exact conversation.
[04:05:48] <furrywolf> or you see things like "Set of tires. Fits Toyota."
[04:06:11] <furrywolf> Because, as we all know, toyota doesn't make an assortment of cars, trucks, etc, and only makes one thing with one size tire.
[04:19:16] <zeeshan-mill> yay all my tools defined
[04:19:22] <zeeshan-mill> ill find out this weekend if this tapping shit works
[04:19:27] <zeeshan-mill> along with tool offsets
[04:20:08] <zeeshan-mill> someoen correct me if im wrong, but after ive done defining all the tools at a single point with no g92 offsets as zero
[04:20:24] <zeeshan-mill> all i gotta do now is load a tool next time i turn on the machine using t2 m6 g43 for example
[04:20:31] <zeeshan-mill> and go do a g54
[04:20:36] <zeeshan-mill> and all the positions will be correct
[04:20:38] <furrywolf> dunno. send me a machine with a tool changer and I'll let you know.
[04:20:45] <zeeshan-mill> lol
[04:20:57] <zeeshan-mill> dude my buddy needs the plate with 216 10-24 holes
[04:21:16] <zeeshan-mill> i got so lucky, my floating tap holder has a collet for a 10-24 tap!
[04:21:18] <zeeshan-mill> dont have to buy one
[04:21:24] <furrywolf> 10-24 instead of 10-32? weirdo.
[04:21:31] <zeeshan-mill> yea they want coarse thread
[04:21:33] <zeeshan-mill> its for a table
[04:21:40] <zeeshan-mill> where the bolts will be taken out a lot
[04:21:43] <zeeshan-mill> so more so for service
[04:21:54] <zeeshan-mill> 10-32 has a higher chance to strip
[04:22:29] <furrywolf> I want to make tapping work on mine too, but it's going to take some kludging to work around my capacitor-start induction motors.
[04:22:37] <zeeshan-mill> im not sure if it works for mine
[04:22:48] <renesis> 10-24 are weird!
[04:23:07] <zeeshan-mill> whats weird about 10-24
[04:23:12] <renesis> 10-32 are rackmount, usually okay, sometimes stripped
[04:23:14] <zeeshan-mill> its a coarse version of #10
[04:23:22] <renesis> its not 10-32
[04:23:31] <zeeshan-mill> 10-24 is used all over electrical panels
[04:23:37] <renesis> i used 10-24 for a bunch of fixtures
[04:23:56] <furrywolf> the best part about 10-32 is you can put 8-32 screws in the holes - even if you're an aircraft mechanic!
[04:24:17] <renesis> but im around rack mount stuff a lot so 10-32 is normal
[04:33:34] <zeeshan-mill> ROFL furry
[04:36:19] <furrywolf> zeeshan: that happened on an airline flight... windshield blew out because the mechanic replaced it, installing new 8-32 screws in the 10-32 holes.
[04:36:31] <furrywolf> can't remember which one offhand, but I'm sure a google will find it.
[04:37:51] <roycroft> i use 12-24 screws in racks a lot more often than 10-32
[04:38:19] <furrywolf> I've never owned a rack. I have several pieces of rackmount equipment, but they just get stacked or used as benchtop equipment.
[04:38:58] <roycroft> i've been rack mounting equipment for decades
[04:39:15] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/benchsupply01.jpg or used like that. instant rack! :)
[04:39:18] <roycroft> and we're in an earthquake 4 zone
[04:39:24] <roycroft> i can't stack things in my fiber huts
[04:39:29] <roycroft> they have to be installed very securely
[04:39:30] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf, not even two racks
[04:39:31] <zeeshan-mill> ?
[04:39:50] <furrywolf> ?
[04:40:25] <zeeshan-mill> nm :P
[04:40:28] <zeeshan-mill> i noticed something
[04:40:33] <furrywolf> rack, as in, a place to install rackmount equipment.
[04:40:34] <zeeshan-mill> if i have the spindle speed at 500 rpm
[04:40:37] <zeeshan-mill> and i try to do g33.1
[04:40:49] <zeeshan-mill> it overshoots, and then reverse the spindle
[04:40:52] <zeeshan-mill> but it doesnt go back up
[04:40:54] <zeeshan-mill> interesting
[04:41:11] <zeeshan-mill> and after that, if i ever execute g33.1 , ill randomly got a joint 2 following error
[04:41:24] <zeeshan-mill> i have to restart linuxcnc, rehome the machine to get it to work
[04:41:24] <furrywolf> as in, it sits there spinning in one place breaking your tap if you weren't cutting air?
[04:41:31] <zeeshan-mill> furrywolf, exactly
[04:41:40] <zeeshan-mill> did i find a bu
[04:41:42] <zeeshan-mill> *bug
[04:41:43] <furrywolf> check that you're getting proper quadrature into hal
[04:41:46] <zeeshan-mill> i am
[04:41:57] <zeeshan-mill> i think :-)
[04:42:02] <zeeshan-mill> i mean the rpm display is correct
[04:42:09] <furrywolf> there's some hal variable that gives the spindle rotations... check that it starts going down.
[04:42:17] <furrywolf> right, but the rpm display doesn't need quadrature...
[04:42:34] <zeeshan-mill> im weirded out that it doesnt error out
[04:42:36] <zeeshan-mill> and stop the spindle
[04:43:38] <furrywolf> I've never actually set up a spindle encoder, so I'm just remembering what I've read, but if it had some problem with the quadrature setup (either hardware or hal), it might do something like that.
[04:44:11] <furrywolf> yeah, spindle turning the opposite way than it thinks it should be turning should be something that gives some kind of error...
[04:44:45] <zeeshan-mill> im sure someone has tried tapping at 500 rpm
[04:44:53] <zeeshan-mill> why you would want to i dont know :)
[04:45:05] <zeeshan-mill> even 260 rpm looks too fast
[04:45:16] <furrywolf> lots of cutting fluid.
[04:45:40] <zeeshan-mill> this is where an emulsion would be nice
[04:45:46] <zeeshan-mill> my next machine related purchase has to be a mister
[04:45:56] <furrywolf> 500rpm is still two seconds to tap each half inch deep hole.... :P
[04:47:16] <furrywolf> I do remember in one of the spindle encoder howtos that you're supposed to watch some variable and make sure it starts counting down when the spindle is reversed
[04:47:46] <zeeshan-mill> spindle-revs
[04:47:51] <zeeshan-mill> for me
[04:48:21] <zeeshan-mill> okay i think ive done enough testing today
[04:48:26] <zeeshan-mill> the yaxis is magically fixed
[04:48:31] <zeeshan-mill> musta been the connector
[04:48:40] <zeeshan-mill> gonna go upstairs :)
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[04:54:30] <furrywolf> gah, that picture of the power supply makes me sad. I uploaded it in 2013. the assortment of stuff dangling off the workbench hasn't changed since then.
[04:54:39] <furrywolf> because I haven't done anything. :(
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[04:55:15] <furrywolf> workbench is for useful projects, and instead all I do is work.
[04:55:17] <Just_pink> good night!
[04:56:25] <Just_pink> someone know about T slot sulotion?
[04:56:49] <furrywolf> T slot solution? Is that what you get when you dissolve t-slots in a suitable solvent?
[05:00:15] <zeeshan> thats a sexy power supply
[05:00:43] <zeeshan> i like your dangling resistor.
[05:00:43] <zeeshan> :)
[05:02:21] <Just_pink> furrywolf: almost..
[05:02:30] <furrywolf> heh. that resistor, and the multimeter, were for data logging some battery discharges. said meter, and batteries, are still sitting there...
[05:02:53] <Just_pink> I need to find the right T solt to dissolve
[05:04:16] <Just_pink> the 80 20 looks nice
[05:04:27] <Just_pink> but ineed just one T slot, not 4
[05:04:34] <Just_pink> I need *
[05:12:46] <furrywolf> I was testing some old NiFe cells.. had mixed luck. One set of 3, from the '40s, had two that tested at full capacity and one that sucked. Another set of 3 all tested at about 1/4 capacity. A set of 4 tested at about 1/10th capacity, but all I did was add water, even though they were bone dry...
[05:14:06] <furrywolf> they'd probably test a lot better if I added actual electrolyte, but they've been sitting on the workbench untouched for two years now apparantly. heh.
[05:17:14] <furrywolf> then I had several others, but they all leaked too badly to do any useful tests on.
[05:17:59] <furrywolf> I had another set of 4 with an internal connection issue, but needed to make a special tool to take them apart, which never got made.
[05:18:15] <renesis> i made salse verde for work party
[05:18:37] <furrywolf> was it nice and hot?
[05:18:38] <renesis> want to eat it all, cannot eat it
[05:18:46] <renesis> i did mild med and hot
[05:19:21] <renesis> mild had 80% of the peppers stripped of seeds, medium had 50% of the peppers with seeds stripped
[05:19:49] <furrywolf> what is your definition of hot? because hot when it comes to store-bought salsa is pretty much unnoticable...
[05:20:20] <renesis> one serrano pepper to one tamatillo is pretty hot
[05:20:29] <furrywolf> ah. so you made mild salsa.
[05:20:34] <renesis> as hot as anything youd get at a mex taco place
[05:20:44] <furrywolf> right. mild. :P
[05:20:53] <zeeshan> :p
[05:20:54] <renesis> right this is social salsa
[05:21:15] <furrywolf> a serrano is about, what, 10k shu? I have moruga scorpions at around 1m shu... :P
[05:21:32] <renesis> im not trying to kill everyone, 2 pepper to each tamatillo is nice but almost no one can deal with it
[05:21:51] <furrywolf> I wanted to get some carolina reapers this year, but the ebay seller took my money and ran.
[05:21:59] <furrywolf> because the planet is full of crooks.
[05:22:22] <renesis> i prefer it for tacos or eggs, but with chips to munch on for a couple hours, one to one is nice and most people still think its too spicy
[05:23:02] <furrywolf> I can't find hot salsa here. :(
[05:23:18] <renesis> it doesnt happen in markets
[05:23:32] <furrywolf> where I used to live, there were several local hot salsas... here none. there's one labeled "the hurt", which is hotter than the others available, but still not all that hot.
[05:23:55] <furrywolf> where I used to live, they had names like "hellfire" :)
[05:24:12] <furrywolf> which was a mixture of habaneros and carrots. quite good, actually.
[05:24:37] <furrywolf> one of the local burrito places has a "Death Paste", but it's just pureed habaneros, so only a medium.
[05:24:54] <renesis> i did a salsa naranja last summer with habaneros and these little orange cherry peppers
[05:25:03] <renesis> too sweet
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[05:25:25] <furrywolf> I don't like the habanero taste... I usually prefer salsas made with other peppers. the carrot one I used to buy added a nice flavor to it.
[05:25:30] <renesis> er orange cherry tomatos
[05:25:56] <furrywolf> I don't even know what's alive in the greenhouse this year... I've been bedridden the last month and a lot of my starts died.
[05:25:58] <renesis> for red stuff i like cayenne
[05:26:30] <furrywolf> I still have scorpions, thai hot, ghost, aji crystal, serrano, manazano, and a couple others at least.
[05:26:39] <renesis> serrano and cayenne just have pepper taste, habanero and jalapeno are too sweet, they kind of dominate anything you put them into
[05:26:45] <renesis> jalapenos are kinda useless
[05:27:06] <furrywolf> jalapenos are good when you just want to add some flavor, not a lot of heat.
[05:27:14] <furrywolf> they're nice if you chop a few into an omlette or such.
[05:28:50] <furrywolf> I've had bad luck growing them... they take too long compared to most other peppers. I have a very short growing season here.
[05:29:12] <renesis> i guess once they get rip theyre bad quick, why they ship them green
[05:29:21] <furrywolf> Manzanos are the only peppers that really do well here, and then only in greenhouses. they'll sometimes live a couple years outdoors, but only if well-sheltered.
[05:30:41] <furrywolf> I highly suggest planting manzanos if you want pepper plants. They're not incredibly hot, but they grow really well.
[05:30:52] <furrywolf> they're pretty rare. I don't know why.
[05:31:23] <renesis> i dont have anyplace to grow stuff
[05:31:50] <renesis> i have a small patch of rocks near my front door
[05:32:49] <furrywolf> you're not one of those weird apartment dewllers are you
[05:32:50] <furrywolf> ?
[05:33:17] <furrywolf> my typing is degrading, must be past bedtime.
[05:33:19] <renesis> ya
[05:33:30] <Just_pink> someone know about stack light controller for this cute baby http://imgur.com/hxdGkgm
[05:33:39] <renesis> is cheap, close to school, dont have to deal with roommates
[05:34:52] <furrywolf> ... stack light controller? you mean like a couple transistors, or relays, or the high-current pins on a mesa board, or ssrs, or...?
[05:35:03] <Just_pink> It has red, yellow, green, buzzer and it use 24V
[05:35:09] <furrywolf> that it's a stack light is irrelevant. you're just turning some light bulbs on and off.
[05:35:30] <furrywolf> also, that looks waaay too much like it needs to have a high-power motor in the base and be covered in lube...
[05:36:03] <Just_pink> furrywolf: I mean to a cnontroller that alow you to make flashing and several beppeng options.
[05:36:14] <Just_pink> IP based
[05:36:15] <furrywolf> why not just do that from linuxcnc?
[05:36:50] <Just_pink> I want to do it right, not easy.
[05:37:04] <zeeshan> lol
[05:37:07] <Just_pink> or modbus based controller
[05:37:16] <zeeshan> furrywolf: why are you wasting your mind
[05:37:40] <furrywolf> ?
[05:37:58] <zeeshan> don't question mark me
[05:38:02] <renesis> not clear if because dildo reference or helping just_pink
[05:38:49] <renesis> i get in n out
[05:40:25] <furrywolf> Just_pink: so it sounds like you already know what you want, then.
[05:40:44] <furrywolf> I have no idea why you'd want to do that with a dedicated controller, rather than hal or classic ladder...
[05:41:19] <renesis> just_pink: microcontroller and electronics skills, probably arduino and some shields, a PLC, a PC with some sort of scripted realtime system (like linuxcnc)
[05:41:43] <renesis> you got options, k foods
[05:42:01] <Just_pink> I want to make virtual modbus addresses and each one will be one scenario, and the controller will send the right output to the stack light, like flashing the grenn light and make beeps
[05:42:59] <Just_pink> but arduino is not industrial stuff..
[05:43:13] <renesis> okay get PLCs
[05:43:37] <renesis> tell zeeshan to give you links for cheap ones
[05:44:14] <Just_pink> zeeshan: give me a link to cheap one
[05:44:19] <zeeshan> no
[05:44:28] <Just_pink> :(
[05:44:45] <Just_pink> but I'm cute and nice..
[05:45:01] <renesis> tits or gtfo
[05:45:23] * furrywolf is cute, nice, and FLUFFY!
[05:45:25] <Just_pink> and after I will buy it I will send a pic of it with pink nails...
[05:46:07] <Just_pink> zeeshan: so what do you say..
[05:46:29] <furrywolf> ... that has to be the stupidest conversation I've seen in a long time.
[05:47:12] <Just_pink> http://new.abb.com/plc
[05:47:14] <zeeshan> www.ebay.com plc
[05:47:15] <Just_pink> cuuuuute!!!!
[05:47:27] <renesis> guys my wireless trackbar was defeated by some sort of bagel garlic crumb
[05:47:33] <renesis> trackball
[05:48:09] <renesis> was stuck to the case by the antenna
[05:48:10] <Just_pink> renesis: try 21 century
[05:48:18] <zeeshan> renesis: haha
[05:48:21] <zeeshan> do you seriously use a trackball
[05:48:31] <renesis> thumb ball
[05:48:32] <furrywolf> I wish I had a trackball.
[05:48:41] <furrywolf> I had a laptop with one a long time ago, it was so much nicer than touchpads...
[05:48:47] <zeeshan> Just_pink: how much do you want to spend on a plc
[05:49:00] <renesis> the bigs ones are fun to play with, but theyre uncomfortable to use
[05:49:30] <Just_pink> zeeshan: I have now idea, I want something nice.. not junk
[05:49:31] <renesis> furrywolf: some keyboard clits are okay
[05:50:10] <Just_pink> just the wire duct + driving today cost me more than 200$
[05:51:00] <Just_pink> and the wiring going to cost me more than 700$
[05:51:23] <zeeshan> sounds like a waste of money
[05:51:32] <zeeshan> since you want to waste mooney
[05:51:37] <zeeshan> you could get the ac500 series by abb
[05:51:47] <zeeshan> or if you want to do the same thing for 1/5 the price
[05:51:52] <Just_pink> but I need 12AWG in 9 colors
[05:52:00] <Just_pink> 200 ft each.
[05:52:03] <zeeshan> you could use a micrologix 1000 series by rockwell
[05:52:04] <zeeshan> er
[05:52:08] <renesis> are you getting PVC or teflon?
[05:52:42] <Just_pink> PCV oil resistant
[05:52:50] <furrywolf> ... why would you need 12awg?
[05:52:53] <zeeshan> if you want top of the line PLC
[05:52:57] <zeeshan> you can get the mitusbishi q series
[05:53:08] <renesis> because its sexy why not!?
[05:53:15] <Just_pink> ans for the motor part some very flexi cable.
[05:53:36] <zeeshan> renesis: i didn't realize a g0704 needed a sexy plc
[05:53:37] <zeeshan> :)
[05:53:59] <Just_pink> renesis: I need also HMI
[05:54:15] <renesis> no the thick wire in 12 colors
[05:54:25] <renesis> but yeah the insulation, not so sexy
[05:55:11] <Just_pink> I start to do make some HMI with arduino.. but I think the machine deserve something better
[05:55:39] <zeeshan> renesis: insulation is ugly man
[05:55:45] <zeeshan> should just run bare copper wires
[05:55:46] <zeeshan> that's sexy
[05:56:05] <renesis> bus wire ftw
[05:56:36] <Just_pink> I can take a pic of the wire duct and the stuff
[05:56:37] <zeeshan> what is bus wire
[05:56:41] <renesis> except when you grab it thinking its solder and get confused because solder not working
[05:56:46] <renesis> its just wire
[05:57:01] <renesis> usually its tinned copper
[05:57:06] <zeeshan> http://www.hoodenergiasolar.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/solar_cell_bus_wire.jpg
[05:57:07] <zeeshan> wow
[05:57:09] <zeeshan> ive never seen tha tbefore
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[05:57:28] <zeeshan> like ive seened the braided version of that
[05:57:32] <zeeshan> for ground strap
[05:57:33] <renesis> thats some ribbon stuff
[05:57:43] <zeeshan> but never llike ribbon
[05:58:10] <renesis> that looks thin, you can get tapes like that too
[05:59:04] <renesis> https://www.enasco.com/prod/images/products/77/AC098728l.jpg
[05:59:14] <renesis> awesome for power fixtures
[05:59:52] <Just_pink> Just wire ducts - http://i.imgur.com/920afmv.png
[06:00:03] <renesis> string a bunch of chassis mount power resistors together with it
[06:00:25] <renesis> guess that flat stuff is used for solar
[06:01:19] <Just_pink> I can almost buy 20X30 ebay cnc machine by the cost of just the wire duct..
[06:05:12] <Just_pink> ?
[06:05:37] <renesis> the bus wire images on google
[06:06:44] <Just_pink> renesis: what do you mean by "bus wire?"
[06:07:11] <renesis> zeeshan made a joke about insulation is stupid just use bare wire
[06:08:04] <renesis> i use bare wire at work for lots of prototype and fixture stuff, its usually silver tinned, called bus wire, comes in all the sizes
[06:08:44] <Just_pink> I have european standard bus bars that you cut to the length that you need and mount tham on special mount that go on the DIN rail
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[06:09:24] <Just_pink> 5 meters of bus bars.... :)
[06:09:28] <renesis> yeah bars are neat for permanent stuff
[06:09:58] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[06:10:07] <renesis> k nite
[06:10:19] <renesis> k burger fureal, bye
[06:10:36] <Just_pink> good night
[06:11:36] <Just_pink> how I'm programing the PLC?
[06:12:48] <Just_pink> renesis: zeeshan ?
[06:14:20] <Just_pink> what about this PLC?
[06:14:20] <Just_pink> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6ED1052-1FB00-0BA6-Siemens-LOGO-230RC-PLC-MODULE-115V-230V-RELAY-8-DI-4-DO/170986773754?_trksid=p2045573.c100034.m2102&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003150253%26meid%3Dff3afac8a8664dd19233d8058415c496%26pid%3D100034%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D8%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D221619422828
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[06:15:13] <Just_pink> hi syyl
[06:15:25] <syyl> hoi
[06:16:37] <Just_pink> syyl: you know a bit about PLCs and MODBUS?
[06:16:43] <syyl> nope :)
[06:17:03] <Just_pink> syyl: so.. what bring you here?
[06:17:19] <syyl> just idling around ;)
[06:17:29] <Just_pink> mmm I see..
[06:17:42] <syyl> this is one of the few machinng related irc channels
[06:18:15] <Just_pink> I really need to finish with the control box (really big electrical panel)
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[06:19:21] <Just_pink> Today I've also get a narrow wire duct for it.. and I'm also need a small T slot for the panel
[06:19:41] <Just_pink> syyl: Just wire ducts - http://i.imgur.com/920afmv.png
[06:20:57] <Just_pink> syyl: do you have a machine?
[06:21:14] <syyl> i had a cnc running on linuxcnc
[06:21:19] <syyl> *machine
[06:21:38] <syyl> http://gtwr.de/web/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/masch_deckel_g2nc.jpg
[06:21:39] <Just_pink> what kind?
[06:22:02] <Just_pink> WOW look really nice!
[06:22:06] <Just_pink> servo?
[06:22:13] <syyl> steppers and glas scales
[06:23:07] <Just_pink> I have just G0704
[06:23:22] <syyl> i sold the cnc :)
[06:23:29] <syyl> i replaced it with a manual machine
[06:23:41] <Just_pink> but I'm working on 4 by 3 foot electrical panel for it.
[06:23:49] <syyl> ah
[06:23:51] <Just_pink> syyl: why?!
[06:23:55] <syyl> the g0704 is supercommon here
[06:24:00] <syyl> its sold as "bf20"
[06:24:08] <syyl> i dont need cnc for my parts
[06:24:24] <syyl> and i already sit the whole day in front of a cnc machine at work
[06:24:34] <Just_pink> syyl: but I make the conversion really carzy..
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[06:24:47] <syyl> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24396704/IMG_8063.JPG
[06:25:05] <syyl> to get some cnc free time i bought on of those rf45 clones
[06:25:07] <Just_pink> HMI, MODBUS, a-looots of sensors, very big servos,,
[06:25:40] <Just_pink> the spindle motor look very big.
[06:25:55] <syyl> 3phase, 1.5kW
[06:26:48] <Just_pink> I live on the second floor
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[06:27:15] <Just_pink> so.. I'm limited to 110V AC normal outlet,
[06:27:31] <syyl> your electric system is so messed up :D
[06:27:33] <syyl> 110V
[06:27:34] <Just_pink> and each of the servos is
[06:27:35] <syyl> man :D
[06:27:54] <syyl> here every house gets 3 phase/400V per default
[06:28:25] <Just_pink> the panel is build by the german standart.
[06:28:28] <Just_pink> 400V!
[06:28:31] <Just_pink> cool
[06:28:37] <syyl> between phases
[06:28:42] <syyl> 230 against ground
[06:29:09] <Just_pink> mm so it just 380..
[06:29:15] <Just_pink> you know AC..
[06:29:47] <Loetmichel> Just_pink: its 400V in europe now
[06:29:54] <syyl> 230*sqrt(3)
[06:30:14] <Just_pink> no 230 AC + 230 AC = 380V
[06:30:20] <syyl> no.
[06:30:23] <Loetmichel> they lowered the GB standard, and upped the .de and .fr standard to meet european harmonisation at 230/400V ;)
[06:30:28] <Just_pink> go to the panel with multimeter.
[06:31:13] <Loetmichel> no need to
[06:31:22] <Loetmichel> i measured that often enough
[06:31:38] <syyl> same here ;)
[06:31:42] <Just_pink> there is 120 offset between each phase.
[06:31:44] <Loetmichel> 230V single phase equals 400V between phases
[06:31:59] <Loetmichel> if three phase
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[06:33:34] <Just_pink> I dont know why I remember 380..
[06:33:42] <Just_pink> maybe I'm wrong.
[06:35:42] <Just_pink> I know why
[06:36:26] <Just_pink> 380V Is the standart after 230V
[06:37:16] <Just_pink> and If you have 220V you wiil get 380V not 400
[06:38:45] <Just_pink> but I'm stuck with 110V :(
[06:40:17] <Just_pink> syyl: Loetmichel: what is the best option for HMI?
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[06:41:35] <Just_pink> something that will be easy to program and show the temperature and send signals if the temperature go up in one of the sensors
[06:43:24] <Just_pink> all gone..
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[06:48:40] <Just_pink> Akex_: hi
[06:49:07] <Akex_> Hi
[06:49:55] <Just_pink> you know about HMIs?
[06:51:12] <Akex_> Human machine interface ?
[06:51:40] <Just_pink> yes
[06:51:55] <Just_pink> I want something easy to program
[06:53:03] <Just_pink> to dispay the about 20-30 sensors output. and send error signal to the computer if something go wrong with the sensors.
[06:54:24] <Akex_> Yes ok and ? What do you want help ?
[06:57:07] <Just_pink> Do you know about a way to do it? or any recomended HMI?
[06:57:38] <Just_pink> Akex_: ?
[06:57:51] <Akex_> Yes i see
[06:58:08] <Akex_> I am not a pro, with linuxcnc
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[06:58:44] <Akex_> Me i use a arduino for talk with linuxcnc, with serial usb
[06:59:03] <Just_pink> Akex_: there is no linuxcnc involved here pure hardware.
[06:59:09] <Akex_> I made a circuit prototype for tool change with arduino
[06:59:13] <Akex_> Haaa
[06:59:19] <Just_pink> Akex_: you use modbus?
[06:59:22] <Akex_> Ok sorry
[06:59:37] <Akex_> No mod bus just serial
[06:59:50] <Akex_> With ascii words
[07:00:13] <Just_pink> intresting.
[07:00:27] <Just_pink> What machine you have?
[07:01:14] <Just_pink> what type?
[07:01:47] <Akex_> A alexcnc
[07:01:52] <Akex_> XD
[07:02:21] <Akex_> 2 min i give you my you tube chanel , there are all my make
[07:02:43] <Just_pink> alexplace2001?
[07:02:56] <Akex_> Nop
[07:02:59] <Akex_> https://www.youtube.com/user/Schointss
[07:03:20] <Akex_> There are tool changer circuit and cnc and printer and allllll
[07:03:22] <Akex_> ;)
[07:03:38] <Just_pink> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anBsTg7qQ-Y
[07:03:42] <Just_pink> LOVE IT!
[07:04:01] <Just_pink> I need the same thing!!
[07:05:02] <Akex_> Is a hmi for octoprint printer
[07:05:18] <Akex_> Apache server php api
[07:05:42] <Just_pink> and how you make the 5" LCD?
[07:05:50] <Just_pink> what drive it?
[07:09:29] <Akex_> A for raspberry
[07:09:40] <Akex_> Is by gpio for this
[07:10:00] <Akex_> Is fbtft driver by notro
[07:10:19] <Just_pink> I have a RPI here
[07:10:24] <Just_pink> with rasbian
[07:10:40] <Just_pink> but I've vever work with the GPIO
[07:11:54] <Akex_> There a bigining of all Just_pink
[07:13:02] <Just_pink> I don't like the RPI It's not a reliable computer,
[07:13:14] <Akex_> Why ?
[07:13:19] <Akex_> You can
[07:13:23] <Akex_> With usb
[07:14:08] <Just_pink> show me one industrial machine that use usb to monitor critical sensors
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[07:15:08] <Deejay> moin
[07:15:23] <Just_pink> morning
[07:16:06] <Just_pink> Deejay: what are you up to?
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[07:18:08] <Deejay> ?
[07:19:45] <Just_pink> just try to make a starter for conversation with you...
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[07:21:54] <Deejay> oh, sorry. how are you? going well?
[07:22:39] <Just_pink> yes.. slooow.. expensive.. but I have more cool parts at home..
[07:23:08] <Deejay> yeah
[07:23:19] <Just_pink> Today I've drive looog way to get narrow size wire duct as well.
[07:23:50] <Just_pink> and I get real satck light LED based, green yellow red + buzzer
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[07:25:51] <Just_pink> now I need controler for the stack ligt, and find good place for wireing.
[07:27:01] <Just_pink> nobody want to speak with me :(
[07:27:33] <Akex_> Ro Just_pink
[07:27:52] <Just_pink> Ro?
[07:29:00] <Akex_> Ro don t worry be happy
[07:30:10] <Just_pink> I'm happy.. but I have parts for the machine all over the place,
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[07:30:57] <Just_pink> this thing block the btroom door for example http://i.imgur.com/920afmv.png
[07:31:32] <Just_pink> bathroom *
[07:32:43] <Akex_> Loool
[07:32:58] <Akex_> And in your bedroom Just_pink ?
[07:33:32] <Just_pink> no.
[07:33:47] <Just_pink> I'm close to the machine..
[07:37:08] <Deejay> :)
[07:39:56] <Just_pink> BRB ice cream
[07:40:59] * Deejay also wants some ice cream
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[07:47:04] <Just_pink> back
[07:47:15] <Just_pink> with some thing better
[07:49:10] <Just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/L0Wp2xQ.png
[07:49:50] <Just_pink> Deejay: ^
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[07:50:16] <Just_pink> hi andypugh
[07:50:16] <Deejay> uuh
[07:50:42] <Just_pink> frozen Ice tea
[07:50:54] <Just_pink> I have 3 more..
[07:51:53] <Deejay> nice
[07:54:38] <Just_pink> I need to machine 2 more heat sinks..
[07:54:54] <Just_pink> but the controller is in parts...
[07:55:35] <Just_pink> and without the heat sinks I cant power it up :(
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[08:13:24] <gonzo_> chicken and egg
[08:15:09] <Deejay> :)
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[09:09:27] <Just_pink> everybody sleep...
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[09:25:59] <vapula> Just_pink: depends where you are on the world, midday here
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[09:32:11] <Just_pink> I'm in NY
[09:33:14] <XXCoder> new york
[09:33:20] <XXCoder> cool
[09:33:28] <XXCoder> 2:33 am here heh
[09:36:38] <Just_pink> XXCoder: where are you?
[09:36:56] <XXCoder> washington state
[09:36:58] <Deejay> 11:36 here
[09:37:02] <Deejay> am
[09:37:29] <vapula> ditto
[09:38:19] <Just_pink> here 5:38AM
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[09:38:37] <XXCoder> cool
[09:38:38] <Just_pink> I need to go today to fastenal.
[09:38:41] <Deejay> Just_pink, why are you not asleep then?
[09:39:26] <Just_pink> I need to find a way to display 20-30 sensors
[09:39:49] <Just_pink> on reliable hardware
[09:39:51] <Deejay> ah, sleepless because of that problem? ;)
[09:41:45] <Just_pink> Deejay: you have to understand something. I have alllll over my home parts on parts for the CNC machine. now the problem is that I want everithing perfect, and this is why I'm stuck.
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[09:42:29] <XXCoder> perfection is overrated
[09:42:44] <XXCoder> make a working cnc machine and you can make parts for it
[09:42:54] <Deejay> ah, i know these problems. i'm also perfectionist sometimes :)
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[10:50:48] <CaptHindsight> Just_pink> I need to find a way to display 20-30 sensors
[10:51:07] <CaptHindsight> what types of sensors on what display?
[11:08:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.comedi.org/index.html has drivers and some libs to get data from data acquisition boards and sensors, but there are no easy to use GUI maker tools
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[11:16:09] <CaptHindsight> http://openscada.org/
[11:20:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.opendax.org/ anyone ever use this?
[11:21:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.enscada.com/a7khg9/IndigoSCADA.html
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[12:15:48] <archivist_herron> someone did use openscada and linuxcnc at the same time iirc
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[12:52:43] <CaptHindsight> I looked at it last year for laboratory automation
[12:54:17] <CaptHindsight> g-code is not ideal for controlling robots and synchronizing them with sensors and manipulators
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[15:38:32] <zeeshan> quiet in here :P
[15:39:17] <CaptHindsight> _methods: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/rocketbook-cloud-integrated-microwavable-notebook#/story microwave safe, in case you leave it or work in a microwave!
[15:42:12] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did you get your head straightened out? :)
[15:42:18] <zeeshan> haha
[15:42:19] <zeeshan> :D
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[15:42:42] <zeeshan> ive isolated it to the gibs on the Y axis
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[15:46:15] <CaptHindsight> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ergo-world-s-first-smart-standing-desk-that-talks#/story sounds like a sit-com, but it's not
[15:46:34] <_methods> wow so indie-gogo is like another kickstarter
[15:46:55] <CaptHindsight> a talking desk, I didn't know that i needed that
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[15:47:08] <_methods> why do you need a microwaveable notebook?
[15:47:28] <CaptHindsight> after forcing myself to read through it...
[15:47:36] <malcom2073> _methods: Except the people running the projects get to keep the money, even if they don't make their goals
[15:47:43] <CaptHindsight> the ink disappears when heated
[15:47:56] <_methods> oooh magic buttons
[15:48:32] <_methods> oh the stretch goal is the ability to take pictures
[15:48:38] <_methods> i sure hope they can pull that off
[15:48:59] <_methods> pictures would be awesome
[15:49:10] <_methods> i'm so tired of painting things
[15:49:13] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a sketchy book to me
[15:49:19] <_methods> buwhahahaha
[15:49:24] <_methods> i see what you did there
[15:49:34] <malcom2073> _methods: Was it you that wanted info on the $90 touch probe?
[15:49:40] <_methods> no
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[15:49:58] <malcom2073> Hmm, I'll read back through my logs then
[15:50:19] <_methods> i have paper
[15:50:25] <_methods> wtf i need a touch probe for
[15:50:32] <_methods> only n00bs need that crap
[15:50:54] <_methods> ermahgerd work offsets are sooooo complicated
[15:51:07] <_methods> i must need a probe to do it
[15:51:47] <_methods> edgefinder and paper
[15:52:01] <_methods> all i need
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[15:52:15] <malcom2073> Yes... technology bad
[15:52:25] <_methods> technology is great
[15:52:25] <archivist> try that on 5 axes in space
[15:52:34] <zeeshan> touch probes are awesome
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[15:53:00] <zeeshan> i guess methods never wants to trace a contour and store the point cloud
[15:53:04] <zeeshan> his loss :)
[15:53:16] <zeeshan> malcom2073: i'll take the link!
[15:53:17] <CaptHindsight> darn my slow fingers, I was trying to save you from being labeled a "probe hater"
[15:53:19] <_methods> it would be one thing if it was a real production machine all these probe people were working on
[15:53:22] <_methods> but they are not
[15:53:44] <archivist> why some kids need probes http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bevel
[15:53:57] <_methods> i think some people just like to be probed
[15:54:01] <CaptHindsight> embrace the probe!
[15:54:17] <PetefromTn_> what'd I miss?
[15:54:34] <_methods> malcom2073 asked if i wanted some probe info
[15:54:36] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: have you done g33.1 yet
[15:54:37] <_methods> and i said hell no
[15:54:43] <_methods> probes are bad mmmmk
[15:54:44] <archivist> my strain gauge arrived from china now I have to make my probe
[15:54:47] <PetefromTn_> rigid tap yeah why?
[15:54:51] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: microwaveable sketchbook and probes
[15:54:53] <zeeshan> what what rpm
[15:54:59] <zeeshan> was fastest tapping youve done
[15:55:03] <zeeshan> *at
[15:55:07] <_methods> it's gettin friday cray cray up in here
[15:55:10] <PetefromTn_> I usually tap at like 3-400 RPM
[15:55:18] <Sync> what the hell
[15:55:26] <malcom2073> Ahh well can't find who wanted it
[15:55:31] <Sync> my rotary axis has the hirth coupling welded to the bellows coupler
[15:55:33] <malcom2073> zeeshan: http://www.wildhorse-innovations.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=80
[15:55:39] <Sync> what a pain
[15:55:44] <_methods> maybe you'll have to do some more probing to get to the bottom of it
[15:55:45] <PetefromTn_> LOL MMmmmmk
[15:55:45] <_methods> lol
[15:56:03] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: can you try doing M3 S600 ; G33.1 Z-xxxxxx K0.041666
[15:56:07] <zeeshan> when you get a chance
[15:56:10] <zeeshan> and see what your machine done?
[15:56:11] <zeeshan> *does
[15:56:14] <PetefromTn_> I hear those wild horse probes are okay but not terribly precise
[15:56:36] <PetefromTn_> why?
[15:56:41] <malcom2073> PetefromTn_: Thus far it's been as precise if not more so than the paper method
[15:56:51] <PetefromTn_> hehehe
[15:56:57] <zeeshan> mine reaches rotates to the target Z , reverses spindle
[15:56:58] <malcom2073> Which for $90, well worth the time saved :-D
[15:56:59] <zeeshan> and just sits there
[15:57:06] <zeeshan> with the spindle on lol
[15:57:12] <zeeshan> but upto 400 rpm im fine
[15:57:25] <zeeshan> just was worried why it's not faulting out
[15:57:30] <zeeshan> rather than just spinning there
[15:57:42] <zeeshan> i don't see anything weird in motion.spindle-revs
[15:57:43] <PetefromTn_> malcom2073 honestly I think for the price/accuracy it is a decnet probe
[15:57:55] <malcom2073> For sure it likely can't beat a $800 dealio heh
[15:57:59] <zeeshan> malcom2073: you own one?
[15:58:05] <malcom2073> zeeshan: My dad does
[15:58:10] <malcom2073> I'm gonna buy one once my mill gets up
[15:58:10] <PetefromTn_> well thats faster than I usually tap but I could try it I guess
[15:58:15] <zeeshan> have you done repeatability testing on it?
[15:58:21] <zeeshan> thats the only thing stopping me
[15:58:23] <Sync> just buy a crashed renishaw
[15:58:26] <zeeshan> apparently they're only good to 0.0005
[15:58:28] <Sync> they are mechanically robust
[15:58:29] <PetefromTn_> ^^
[15:58:38] <zeeshan> Sync: hard to find =/
[15:58:39] <malcom2073> Likely, but his machine is a knee mill, so no way to test it to that extreme
[15:58:51] <zeeshan> you can test it
[15:58:55] <zeeshan> by using an indicator
[15:58:59] <zeeshan> a tenths
[15:59:03] <zeeshan> attached to the axis
[15:59:24] <Sync> huh?
[15:59:27] <zeeshan> when the probe lights up, you should see zero on the indicator
[15:59:28] <Sync> they are everywhere
[15:59:34] <zeeshan> Sync: link
[15:59:35] <Sync> because they come out of crashed DMUs
[15:59:51] <Sync> look in your local machine scrap yard
[16:00:10] <malcom2073> Sync: not everyone lives within a couple hundred miles of one of those :-P
[16:00:28] <malcom2073> Or rather, one that allows picking
[16:00:30] <zeeshan> my machine scrap yard wants the same prices as new ones :)
[16:01:02] <PetefromTn_> I would love to get my hands on one for the VMC
[16:01:05] <Sync> got one of those for 30€ http://www.heidenhain.de/typo3temp/pics/TT140_K_l_de_web_dd55d0d3d9.jpg
[16:01:35] <Sync> but all the spindle probes were too large for my liking
[16:01:48] <zeeshan> cheapest one i see on ebay is 300$
[16:02:31] <PetefromTn_> I'll give you 35 LOL
[16:03:10] <PetefromTn_> thats the strain gauge type that will allow you to do diameter probing too it looks like SCORE!!
[16:03:23] <Sync> it is not a strain gauge
[16:03:30] <Sync> it is a classic 6 baller
[16:03:32] <PetefromTn_> oh no it looks like one
[16:03:40] <Sync> but it repeats within 2µm
[16:03:45] <PetefromTn_> SICK
[16:03:55] <Sync> they are doing some capacitive feedback to increase repeatability
[16:04:01] <PetefromTn_> if you happen across anymore lemme know ;)
[16:04:35] <zeeshan> me too!
[16:04:36] <zeeshan> :[
[16:04:44] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/z/7FAAAOSwpDdVeFJD/$_27.JPG
[16:04:53] <zeeshan> what tool holders do you guys see here
[16:04:58] <Sync> at first I gotta figure out the lehmann
[16:05:00] <zeeshan> i see an integrated face milkl
[16:05:08] <zeeshan> a couple of end mill holders
[16:05:12] <zeeshan> im not sure what the top 2 are
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[16:06:33] <PetefromTn_> one looks like a stub length endmill holder I think
[16:06:47] <PetefromTn_> the other may be a shrink fit or something
[16:06:57] <zeeshan> ah
[16:06:57] <Sync> the horizontzal one might be hydraulic
[16:07:19] <PetefromTn_> buy em and let me have the facemill I need one LOL
[16:07:32] <zeeshan> i mainly need the pull studs
[16:07:40] <zeeshan> this style pull stud are hard to find :(
[16:07:41] <PetefromTn_> even better
[16:08:05] <Sync> can't you just turn your own?
[16:08:11] <zeeshan> i can
[16:08:14] <zeeshan> but you gotta heat treat em
[16:08:18] <zeeshan> and do all this bs to em
[16:08:25] <Sync> you can just use them as they are
[16:08:28] <PetefromTn_> I would not bother turning them
[16:08:35] <zeeshan> i have them modelled
[16:08:39] <jdh> print them
[16:08:42] <Sync> use prehard toolsteel
[16:08:44] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[16:08:47] <zeeshan> haha
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[16:08:54] <Sync> 30HRC and they will last acceptably long
[16:08:59] <jdh> it's the future
[16:08:59] <zeeshan> maritool sells em
[16:09:03] <zeeshan> they are 50 HRc
[16:09:07] <zeeshan> but also 20bux each
[16:09:34] <Sync> for 20/each I'd just buy them
[16:09:41] <Sync> not worth my time dicking around
[16:09:43] <PetefromTn_> thats reasonable
[16:09:55] <zeeshan> well it gets really expensive when you need 20
[16:09:56] <zeeshan> :)
[16:09:59] <PetefromTn_> I lucked out
[16:09:59] <Sync> but if you are a cheapskate use toolsteel and turn them
[16:10:05] <PetefromTn_> my machine came with a box full of them
[16:10:09] <Sync> your time is also expensive
[16:10:14] <zeeshan> i bought some on ebay a while back
[16:10:25] <zeeshan> got like 20 for $40 + shipping
[16:10:25] <PetefromTn_> machine something for your buddies for sale and just buy em
[16:10:41] <zeeshan> i don't need them urgently though!
[16:10:44] <PetefromTn_> or offer to machine something for them IF they buy them for you....
[16:11:01] <PetefromTn_> done stuff like that before everybody wins...
[16:11:08] <zeeshan> barter :D
[16:11:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah man like the cavemen of old
[16:11:50] <PetefromTn_> I would not have half the stuff I do without bartering it seems LOL
[16:11:52] <Sync> or convert the machine to some easier to get pullstud
[16:12:00] <Sync> that thing seems to be awfully involved
[16:14:26] <PetefromTn_> well more rolling to do today on the CNC lathe LOL
[16:15:06] <PetefromTn_> what I did yesterday came out pretty good I was surprised but I will need more of those tiny rollers for the tight areas.
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[16:19:25] <CaptHindsight> "your time is also expensive" I think many on IRC would disagree with this :)
[16:20:12] <t12> lol
[16:20:28] <PetefromTn_> I used to think meh I got time to do it myself. Nowadays I realize that I needed to spend that time drumming up work or making parts not screwing with machines...
[16:20:52] <t12> i have mixed feelings about time optimization
[16:21:05] <t12> at some point it just becomes a weird sort of greed
[16:21:10] <PetefromTn_> but honestly if I did not do it myself and retrofit these machines I have I would not have them
[16:21:10] <t12> but not enough and life disappears too quick
[16:21:30] <PetefromTn_> so it is a two edges sword
[16:22:27] <jdh> sleep less!
[16:23:05] <PetefromTn_> I do love to sleep ;)
[16:23:23] <CaptHindsight> t12: how goes the DNA fab sale?
[16:23:27] <PetefromTn_> I am a night person tho and often when most people are sleeping I am out in the shop working...
[16:23:35] <Sync> CaptHindsight: well, for me there is a tradeoff between saving money and wasting time not finisning a project
[16:24:06] <Sync> lets say if I can spend a k to get something done instantly instead of dicking around for weeks, I'll most likely do it
[16:24:28] <t12> eh
[16:24:36] <t12> not much luck at finding a whole buyer
[16:24:47] <t12> liquidation value came in suprisingly low, but they could just be estimating it badly
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[16:25:14] <t12> still trying to figure out how to take control of the thing instead of burning it down
[16:28:04] <CaptHindsight> i was looking over way to do it faster and less expensively but it looks like another patent minefield
[16:28:54] <Sync> don't look at patents then
[16:30:48] <CaptHindsight> another tech where China will take over unless the Trans Pacific Partnership is being tailored to cripple things like that
[16:31:44] <CaptHindsight> low cost meds from Thailand and Philippines, China ignoring western patents etc
[16:32:15] <PetefromTn_> they basically ignore everything
[16:32:53] <CaptHindsight> good thing or Walmart wouldn't be in business
[16:33:29] <PetefromTn_> that's a good thing?
[16:34:06] <jdh> largest employer in .us
[16:34:40] <PetefromTn_> you wanna work there?
[16:35:09] <jdh> nope. the people that work there do
[16:35:49] <PetefromTn_> https://www.facebook.com/u2/videos/10154088474306686/ This is awesome...
[16:35:51] <CaptHindsight> where else are the elderly, disabled and newly out of college supposed to work?
[16:36:15] <PetefromTn_> probably in any of the mom and pop businesses that would still be here were it NOT for WalMart
[16:37:14] <CaptHindsight> oh, you thought I was serious
[16:38:07] <PetefromTn_> well reading back thru perhaps I was pretty dense for not seeing it as you were laying it on pretty thick ;)
[16:38:44] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, when you get a chance could you try M3 2000; G33.1 Z-xxxxxx K0.041666? mine doesn't seem to want to stop quick enough
[16:39:35] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[16:39:40] <Tom_itx> :D
[16:40:54] <Tom_itx> i think you can get away with alot more with those reversing tapping heads...
[16:45:27] <PetefromTn_> snap snap snappin' da taps!!
[16:51:33] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: wut
[16:51:46] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: well thats what i noticed
[16:51:48] <zeeshan> it overshoots
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[16:52:00] <zeeshan> so youre saying its something to do w/ how long it takes the motor to decelerate?
[16:52:12] <zeeshan> is there a variable to adjust the deceleration time in linuxcnc
[16:52:18] <zeeshan> to give it an idea how long it takes the spindle to reverse
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[16:52:56] <cradek> no, you have to use slower spindle speed or reduce the commanded tapping depth
[16:52:57] <Tom_itx> add a brake
[16:53:08] <furrywolf> argh. how can the health care system be so entirely fucking broken? I can't see a doctor.
[16:53:12] <Tom_itx> and use slower S words
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[16:53:21] <furrywolf> everywhere I go says the waiting list for new patients is measured in months.
[16:53:23] <zeeshan> cradek see i dont care about tapping at high speeds
[16:53:24] <cradek> yes consider adding a braking resistor to your vfd and adjusting the vfd accordingly
[16:53:32] <zeeshan> for me im just worried why the machine didn't ferror out
[16:53:45] <zeeshan> it literally went down to the Z height in g33.1 , overshot
[16:53:47] <furrywolf> and half of them want payment up front, which means I can't bill it to the stupid bitch's car insurance.
[16:53:48] <zeeshan> reversed spindle
[16:53:51] <zeeshan> and it just stayed there..
[16:53:52] <furrywolf> apparantly there's also only one working MRI machine and one doctor who knows how to use it, and the wait for that is over a month too, after you wait the month+ to even be seen by a doctor to be referred for an MRI.
[16:53:54] <cradek> it's normal to go past the commanded point when tapping
[16:53:56] <zeeshan> while the spindle was running
[16:54:00] <cradek> wait
[16:54:07] <zeeshan> which means if i was actually tapping something, i woulda snapped the tap
[16:54:24] <zeeshan> at low speeds it works fine, but i want it to error out if this same situation occurs
[16:54:42] <furrywolf> cradek: his spindle sat there, running at full speed, without the synchronized motion that should have occoured. my first guess was his quadrature encoder has something off, and linuxcnc didn't know which way it was turning.
[16:54:44] <Tom_itx> tap at slower speeds
[16:54:58] <cradek> yeah it seems like something is misconfigured
[16:55:04] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: that doesn't fix the problem i experienced
[16:55:47] <zeeshan> i don't see anything odd in motion.spindle-revs either
[16:55:49] <cradek> I think if the spindle doesn't reverse in some huge number of turns (ten??) motion will stop
[16:56:10] <furrywolf> however, even if that is the case, the spindle turning the opposite way than commanded should generate an error.
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[16:56:16] <cradek> if so, you need to get it to reverse sooner than that
[16:56:22] <zeeshan> yes but why doesnt it error out
[16:56:24] <zeeshan> and turn off everything
[16:56:27] <zeeshan> why does it continue spinning?
[16:56:37] <cradek> that might be a bug
[16:56:45] <cradek> either way it will break the tap off
[16:56:48] <zeeshan> haha
[16:56:59] <cradek> there's no way NOT to break the tap off, if the spindle doesn't reverse when you tell it to
[16:57:07] <furrywolf> have you checked your encoder output to make sure that your encoder is still generating proper signals while the spindle is reversed?
[16:57:15] <zeeshan> furrywolf: yes its fine
[16:57:21] <zeeshan> im pretty sure cradek is on the money
[16:57:26] <CaptHindsight> unless tapping butter or cheese
[16:57:28] <zeeshan> that it's to do with the the spindle not reversing fast enough
[16:57:31] <cradek> tc.target = line_xyz.tmag + 10. * tp->uu_per_rev;
[16:57:37] <cradek> // allow 10 turns of the spindle to stop - we don't want to just go on forever
[16:57:44] <cradek> yeah, it's 10 turns
[16:58:05] <furrywolf> then after ten turns it should generate an error and stop...
[16:58:34] <Tom_itx> does the index signal get reset during those 10 turns?
[16:58:43] <cradek> yes it'd be nice to say "your spindle didn't reverse within 10 turns; sorry about your tap"
[16:58:44] <Tom_itx> or does it error out
[16:58:59] <zeeshan> cradek: the tap wouldn't break though
[16:59:01] <zeeshan> if it was a blind hold yes
[16:59:04] <cradek> oh yes it would
[16:59:15] <zeeshan> but thru hole, it'd be slowing down
[16:59:19] <zeeshan> while Z is still feeding
[16:59:39] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: nothing should be reset, as the backing out needs to be on the same path or you break the tap or re-cut the threads.
[16:59:41] <cradek> and then you have a tap rigidly attached to a vmc's spindle and embedded deep in the part
[16:59:52] <cradek> it'll break soon if it hasn't already :-)
[17:00:22] <zeeshan> i really think it should kill the spindle
[17:00:24] <cradek> if the spindle doesn't reverse when commanded it also might not stop when commanded
[17:00:24] <zeeshan> asap that error detects
[17:00:25] <Tom_itx> furrywolf, the index pin is a bidirectional signal
[17:00:26] <zeeshan> even if the tap breaks
[17:00:45] <cradek> stopping the forward motion is the important part
[17:00:48] <Tom_itx> reset by hm2 every turn
[17:01:11] <furrywolf> agreed. any detection of a failure like that should result in everything stopping, not leaving the machine running...
[17:01:13] <cradek> I'd happily review a patch that generates a better error in this situation
[17:01:25] <zeeshan> im not complaining cradek
[17:01:26] <zeeshan> just worried :)
[17:01:50] <furrywolf> cradek: here's a spindle reversing question for you: can linuxcnc be made to pause and let me manually reverse the spindle in the middle of a tap operation?
[17:01:51] <cradek> to make it foolproof you should configure your spindle to not go so fast it can't reverse in 10 turns maybe?
[17:02:05] <zeeshan> cradek yes that is the goal for me now
[17:02:06] <cradek> furrywolf: nope
[17:02:16] <Tom_itx> 10 turns on a tap is quite a bit of error margin
[17:02:22] <cradek> Tom_itx: yeah
[17:02:23] <zeeshan> i was just worried it'd randomly happen at 200 rpm too
[17:02:27] <zeeshan> but you've explained it wont
[17:02:32] <cradek> add vfd braking!
[17:02:34] <zeeshan> since it's to do w/ spindle slow slowing
[17:02:43] <zeeshan> and one thing to notice is it'd slow down even faster when actually tapping
[17:02:45] <zeeshan> and not flying in the air
[17:02:48] <zeeshan> cause there is more resistance
[17:03:59] <furrywolf> I don't plan on doing enough tapping to want to replace my two perfectly good manual spindle reverse switches with electrical controls, but it'd need to turn off the spindle, pause, then I'd flip the switch and un-pause, then turn the spindle back on and back out of the hole, turn off spindle, pause, I'd flip it back to forwards, hit unpause, it'd turn the spindle back on...
[17:04:30] <PetefromTn_> kinda surprised your spindle takes that long to reverse isn't it a slower max speed and gear driven?
[17:04:53] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: im in 1:1 gear
[17:04:54] <PetefromTn_> oh and I laughed out loud to some of Cradek's comments
[17:05:40] <zeeshan> http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7480/16082519967_8e2e4ad967_h.jpg
[17:05:46] * zeeshan doesn't see room for a braking resistor :(
[17:06:06] <Tom_itx> alot of controls put them on top
[17:06:13] <Tom_itx> in a cage
[17:06:14] <zeeshan> outside the enclosure?
[17:06:16] <PetefromTn_> my braking resistor is OUTSIDE the electronics cabinet
[17:06:33] <PetefromTn_> you don't want it in there anyways generating tons of heat for you trons
[17:06:43] <Tom_itx> why would you want all that heat inside your enclosure?
[17:06:54] <zeeshan> to keep it cozy?
[17:06:55] <zeeshan> why else
[17:07:11] <zeeshan> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcToRoLhXldN6aOhtr_KkmZa8sZ4OulAG4TpwSmCLNJccLeK69X1
[17:07:13] <Tom_itx> mount it to your chair to keep your butt warm in the winter
[17:07:18] <zeeshan> this is what the braking resistors almost look like
[17:07:21] <zeeshan> as an option for my vfd
[17:07:29] <PetefromTn_> I tucked mine between the column and the enclosure where there is like a four inch gap to keep people from reaching in there and grabbing hold of the hot damn thing.
[17:07:33] <zeeshan> so i guess they need an enclosure
[17:08:00] <Tom_itx> stove elements work too
[17:08:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I am using...
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[17:09:46] <furrywolf> hrmm. can I brake a single-phase induction motor? I've never tried. lol
[17:10:04] <PetefromTn_> sure I have broken plenty ;)
[17:10:05] <pcw_home> apply DC
[17:10:55] <furrywolf> I really don't want to invest much effort into controls for my motors... single-phase capacitor-start motors are always going to suck.
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[17:11:43] <PetefromTn_> get a 3 phase and VFD and be done with it... or get a bigass DC motor and controller like I did.
[17:12:10] <furrywolf> but it's a shoptask. it's not worth buying expensive parts for.
[17:12:15] <furrywolf> and I'd need two motors.
[17:12:21] <furrywolf> and it'll still suck! heh
[17:12:34] <PetefromTn_> that was ON my shoptask
[17:13:08] <PetefromTn_> I used the motor and controller board from a big treadmill
[17:14:04] <furrywolf> lol
[17:14:30] <PetefromTn_> laugh if you want but it worked really good...
[17:14:32] <furrywolf> I just don't feel the machine is worth putting that much money (or, in the case of trying to recycle treadmill parts, time) into.
[17:14:37] <PetefromTn_> plus infinitely variable speed
[17:15:03] <PetefromTn_> if it is not worth that then WTF are you doing talking about CNC retrofitting it?
[17:15:11] <zeeshan> relax
[17:15:13] <zeeshan> both of you
[17:15:18] <zeeshan> go to your corners
[17:15:20] <zeeshan> :-)
[17:15:34] <pcw_home> Fight! Fight! Fight!
[17:15:41] <PetefromTn_> BIG GRIN
[17:16:10] <furrywolf> hrmm, looking on ebay, there's no 120V 3-phase motors, so I'd need to boost it to 230 before driving the VFD, needing a big transformer too...
[17:16:46] <zeeshan> no
[17:16:53] <Tom_itx> treadmill controls don't have reverse do they
[17:16:57] <PetefromTn_> that is why a DC motor and controller would work
[17:17:05] <zeeshan> if its a 1hp motor or less
[17:17:05] <PetefromTn_> sure they do
[17:17:11] <zeeshan> there exists 110V input
[17:17:14] <zeeshan> and 230V 3 phase output drives.
[17:17:18] <zeeshan> for like $150
[17:17:45] <zeeshan> http://www.factorymation.com/Products/FM50_115V/FM50-101-C.html
[17:17:46] <zeeshan> nm
[17:17:47] <zeeshan> 130
[17:17:47] <furrywolf> in any case, the mill project is mostly cancelled... I just figured it was a good time to ask about the spindle reverse since people were already thinking about spindle reverse.
[17:17:59] <furrywolf> I spent the morning trying to find a doctor, and failed.
[17:17:59] <PetefromTn_> one nice thing about the treadmill motor is they spin really fast and with some pullies/gearing you can get some good power from them
[17:19:48] <furrywolf> right now I can't even move the mill out to work on it, much less work on it, or use it.
[17:20:39] <JT-Shop> potassium pickle time
[17:20:58] <PetefromTn_> ?
[17:22:54] <furrywolf> I'm not sure what to do... even if I see a doctor, I don't know if they'd be able to do anything... if it's a problem that doesn't need surgery, I'm stuck with it, and if it does need surgery, I can't afford it, and it would take a year to heal anyway... I can't work... playing with CNC is not happening any time soon it seems.
[17:24:05] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Come to the UK, marry me, free NHS. (not really)
[17:24:25] <SpeedEvil> Actually - I don't know the rules in that situation.
[17:24:31] <furrywolf> but, I couldn't find a doctor that would see me in the next month anyway. the supposedly open-door place said THREE MONTHS.
[17:24:31] <pcw_home> Dam gopher got our best a squash plant :-(
[17:24:34] * furrywolf doesn't like men...
[17:24:36] <SpeedEvil> I am damn glad I don't have to pay for it.
[17:24:44] <malcom2073> Wasn't that an adam sandler movie?
[17:25:13] <malcom2073> furrywolf: one of the joys of everyone suddenly being forced to have insurance: doctors offices are overwhelmed
[17:25:14] <SpeedEvil> furry - yes - hence the (not really) - otherwise I'd have been totally serious.
[17:25:43] <SpeedEvil> It would be nice if MRI machines were a little easier to make
[17:25:43] <furrywolf> malcom2073: and I don't have insurance. too expensive.
[17:25:49] <SpeedEvil> CT machines are damn easy
[17:25:54] <SpeedEvil> But - carcinogenic
[17:26:50] * SpeedEvil quacks.
[17:27:16] <JT-Shop> banana
[17:28:11] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: there's no simple DIY MRI kit anywhere?
[17:28:11] <PetefromTn_> aah
[17:28:20] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: Well - there is.
[17:28:30] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: the problem is it's several pixel level.
[17:28:30] <PetefromTn_> we need a linuxCNC MRI machine build
[17:28:32] <PetefromTn_> !!
[17:28:55] <PetefromTn_> point cloud of your internal organs/
[17:28:55] <SpeedEvil> And to the point where you can if you put your hand in the MRI machine, you can tell if it's a left or a right hand in about an hour
[17:29:32] <SpeedEvil> To get clinically actually useful MRI, you do not quite absolutely have to have superconductors.
[17:29:34] <PetefromTn_> take it into solidworks and be able to create surfaces
[17:29:52] <PetefromTn_> :D
[17:29:56] <SpeedEvil> The problem is basically that MRI has no signal unless you have voxels made of one thing.
[17:30:07] <SpeedEvil> So a mixed flesh/bone voxel drops out
[17:30:34] <SpeedEvil> Which means you need quite high resolution to be able to pick up even centimeter sized bits of tissue
[17:31:05] <archivist> and lots of software
[17:31:24] <SpeedEvil> Software is tractable
[17:31:44] <SpeedEvil> Your signal basically pops out as n fourier transforms
[17:31:58] <SpeedEvil> which you make into one picture of a slice
[17:32:19] <SpeedEvil> (n='x' pixels. 'y' ones pop out in frequency/phase space)
[17:33:17] <SpeedEvil> It's mathetically beautiful
[17:33:43] <JT-Shop> crap, just broke the screw on my 1/4" round insert holder
[17:33:55] <SpeedEvil> :/
[17:34:29] <archivist> diamond burr, dremel and a microscope
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[17:35:04] <furrywolf> bbl
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[17:35:20] <archivist> or wander to the nearest owner of an edm to get it blasted out
[17:35:27] <JT-Shop> I have all but one of those items
[17:36:09] <archivist> I dont have the edm but there is a local shop :)
[17:36:27] <archivist> cost me a tenner last time
[17:37:15] <PetefromTn_> I got the diamond burr, High speed pencil grinder, AND a microscope...no EDM tho sadly
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[17:41:11] <archivist> a cheeeeeep one http://mikesworkshop.weebly.com/a-spark-erosion-apparatus.html?sa=X&ved=0CDYQ9QEwEGoVChMI0Yvc4qf0xgIVRZ3bCh1cOQF3
[17:41:50] <archivist> better ones use a small micro and a stepper
[17:43:50] <PetefromTn_> surely there is some way to convert a Tig welder to do that...
[17:43:53] <JT-Shop> I might get lucky the screw hole goes all the way through
[17:44:43] <archivist> tig probably has far too much current for erosion work
[17:45:24] <PetefromTn_> I typically just machine them out with a carbide endmill going SLOW
[17:50:17] <JT-Shop> not having a 1/16" carbide end mill on hand that's not an option on this one
[17:52:57] <JT-Shop> and I had to cut it down to 1/2 sq from 3/4 sq shank
[17:56:17] <PetefromTn_> damn
[17:57:05] <PetefromTn_> there are a couple local shop with sinkers that could fix that here but I have never done it.
[17:58:27] <JT-Shop> it's such a tiny screw
[17:58:43] <PetefromTn_> oh I thought it was a broken tap?
[17:58:57] <JT-Shop> 1/4" round insert screw
[17:59:19] <PetefromTn_> in a toolholder?
[17:59:31] <JT-Shop> I might be able to take a 1/8" carbide EM and mill a bit from the back
[17:59:32] <JT-Shop> yea
[17:59:58] <PetefromTn_> those are hard little bastards...
[18:00:52] <JT-Shop> if I can just get it to start coming out I'm golden
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[18:02:12] <archivist> punch, hammer inwards avoiding the holder at all costs, this would indent the hss bit a little and loosen the screw a little
[18:03:56] <archivist> I got a lot better with a hammer and punches during my period of living off scrap metal separation
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[18:07:01] * FinboySlick pictured archivist actually 'charging' himself by placing himself between different pieces of scrap metal and consuming galvanic currents.
[18:08:41] <archivist> separating the steel from bronze, aluminium and whatever, hard on your hands though
[18:11:18] <FinboySlick> Well, yeah. But the steampunk android imagery was a bit more badass.
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[18:16:03] <FinboySlick> I was reading about that DIY sinker spark erosion setup. Kerosene as a dielectric sounds dangerous to me.
[18:16:32] <Sync> why?
[18:16:40] <Sync> use diesel
[18:16:49] <Sync> it is not going to burn
[18:17:10] <FinboySlick> I know it's hard to ignite but it does burn.
[18:17:24] <archivist> the sparks are under the surface no possibility of flame
[18:18:24] <malcom2073> It's like welding a diesel tank: You have to fill it up and weld under liquid heh
[18:18:27] <archivist> unless you silly and run the vat/enclosure dry
[18:20:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah don't be silly ;)
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[18:42:06] <JT-Shop> got it out!
[18:52:24] <PetefromTn_> SWEET!
[18:53:36] <archivist> with or without finger damage :)
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[19:04:00] <jthornton> only one minor cut :)
[19:04:39] <archivist> I managed 5 tiny cuts today messing with glass
[19:06:28] <skunkworks> we went to the county fair. no cuts.
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[19:18:07] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, never doubted a bit
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[19:46:49] <andypugh> archivist: What were you doing with glass?
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[20:00:59] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: just wondering if you ever got around to working with the UDOO and your impression of it
[20:01:57] <andypugh> I never got an RTAI kernel running, and LinuxCNC abandoned Xenomai, so I rather lost interest.
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[20:04:51] <CaptHindsight> we sorted out all the magic from the tool chains for ARM so I was going to look at imx6 again when I have time
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[20:09:58] <CaptHindsight> any news from Tormach after the founded passed away?
[20:11:17] <CaptHindsight> https://www.tormach.com/blog/greg-jackson-1952-2015/comment-page-1/
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[20:15:13] <cradek> CaptHindsight: a little. it sounds like they will be ok.
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[20:25:00] <zeeshan-laptop> another late night in the lab
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[20:38:31] <XXCoder> zeeshan-laptop: so, trying to take over world as usual eh heh
[20:38:36] <XXCoder> loved that show
[20:38:46] <zeeshan-laptop> mad scientist
[20:38:55] <XXCoder> no
[20:38:55] <zeeshan-laptop> unfortuantely im doing some really boring tests
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[20:41:39] <zeeshan-laptop> i didnt get your reference :{
[20:42:53] <skunksleep> Pinkey and the brain..
[20:42:55] <PetefromTn_> same thing we do everyday Pinky.....TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!!
[20:44:48] <XXCoder> yeah pinky and brain
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[21:00:46] <Deejay> gn8
[21:00:48] <Aero-Tec> anyone building a cnc plasma table?
[21:00:54] <Aero-Tec> need a good THC
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[21:01:41] <Aero-Tec> non contact one would be great
[21:02:11] <zeeshan-laptop> whos pinky and brain
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[21:02:25] <Aero-Tec> it a cartoon
[21:02:30] <zeeshan-laptop> i never watched cartoons growing up :{
[21:02:57] <zeeshan-laptop> i grew up watching CARS!!
[21:02:57] <XXCoder> too bad, why though. never too late though lol
[21:03:11] <zeeshan-laptop> i watched dumb crap as a kid
[21:03:13] <zeeshan-laptop> like wwf
[21:03:13] <zeeshan-laptop> haha
[21:03:22] <XXCoder> that is totally real lol
[21:03:25] <Aero-Tec> not sure how old you are but you would have to be young to have watched it growing up
[21:03:39] <zeeshan-laptop> 30
[21:04:14] <Aero-Tec> I would guess it was not running yet
[21:04:22] <Aero-Tec> not sure how old it is
[21:04:47] <Aero-Tec> anyway
[21:04:54] <Aero-Tec> THC for plasma
[21:05:12] <PetefromTn_> I watched it and I am 45
[21:05:18] <Aero-Tec> looking for a good but not to expensive one
[21:05:37] <Aero-Tec> you watched it when you were a kid?
[21:06:09] <PetefromTn_> I watched it when It came out...don't remember when
[21:06:10] <Aero-Tec> thought it was not that old
[21:06:24] <PetefromTn_> it was actually pretty funny
[21:06:34] <zeeshan-laptop> mesa thc
[21:06:36] <PetefromTn_> don't think it lasted very long tho
[21:06:43] <Aero-Tec> the few times I did see it it was ok
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[21:10:14] <Aero-Tec> looked on the mesa site
[21:10:20] <Aero-Tec> could not find THC
[21:10:36] <Aero-Tec> they should have a search option
[21:11:42] <zeeshan-laptop> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=128
[21:11:44] <Aero-Tec> phoning them
[21:16:32] <Aero-Tec> need to email them
[21:17:15] <Aero-Tec> nice gal but she did not know anything other then to email support
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[21:17:37] <Aero-Tec> I clicked the link
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[21:27:55] <zeeshan-laptop> speak to pcw :)
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[22:37:51] <Loetmichel2> *huiiii* here is a bit of a "storm" going on... just saw our monoblock PVC garden char fly across the balcony.. and the lightning frequency is about 5 per minute ;)
[22:38:57] <zeeshan-laptop> high altitude lightning
[22:39:01] <zeeshan-laptop> or actually touching the ground
[22:39:07] <zeeshan-laptop> i love the high altitude lightning show
[22:39:10] <XXCoder> Loetmichel2: build a way to use those power
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[22:40:01] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/tls/5138692718.html if only I had money. :(
[22:40:59] <XXCoder> one of most comment sentences start with "if only..."
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[22:54:22] <furrywolf> how much do you figure that turning center is worth?
[22:57:11] <PCW> ~500 scrap
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[22:58:05] <furrywolf> aww. not worth trying to get, then?
[22:59:26] <malcom2073> sealed bid auctions are lame
[22:59:30] <PCW> Might be, wonder what vintage it is
[23:00:34] <Tom_itx> Mori are pretty rugged unless they drove it into the dirt
[23:01:27] <Tom_itx> being a College, it probably had light work but many crashes
[23:04:57] <andypugh> Bid a silly number that you don’t mind losing. You might be the only one. It looks pretty clean, so perhaps bid scrap + what you don’t mind losing :-)
[23:05:30] <Tom_itx> it would cost the scrap value to have it moved
[23:05:34] <Tom_itx> at least
[23:05:44] <andypugh> If someone bids more, there is some confort in the thought that is is going to someone who wants it
[23:05:59] <XXCoder> sometimes I use Mori machine at work but newer version definitely. its OS/2 os keeps crashing lately though.
[23:06:12] <andypugh> Depends where it is and what it weighs.
[23:06:54] <andypugh> Under 2 tons you can move things on a pallet truck, and those are cheap.
[23:07:11] <furrywolf> the owner of the local scrapyard shows up and bids at every auction. nothing ever sells for less than scrap. in a normal auction, she normally won't bid against me unless my bid is way under scrap, but in a sealed auction she'd have no way of knowing.
[23:07:15] <XXCoder> or do it yourself using jury rig system
[23:07:18] <andypugh> Much more than that and you start looking at paying professional movers.
[23:07:40] <andypugh> Anyway, sleep beckons.
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[23:08:30] <furrywolf> it's only a couple gallons of gas from here, and I know someone with a car trailer... if they have heavy equipment to load it (which I believe they do), it's only unloading it that'll be annoying.
[23:08:40] <furrywolf> there's a guy up the road with a forklift who'd help me unload
[23:09:00] <furrywolf> the problem is a) paying for it, and b) putting it somewhere. it'd have to join the equipment under tarps in the driveway...
[23:09:29] <XXCoder> you has land? if so why not knock up a cheap shed
[23:09:51] <furrywolf> no has land. tiny lot.
[23:10:46] <furrywolf> XXCoder: if it can run os/2, it can probably run linuxcnc... :P
[23:10:58] <XXCoder> furrywolf: tell that to boss
[23:12:33] <furrywolf> right now I have my 15x6 planer, dust collector, an a/c unit, a stack of paint cans, a stack of battery cables, and 17 honda generators, under tarps in the yard...
[23:12:40] <furrywolf> oh, and the wood chipper
[23:12:52] <XXCoder> its pretty badly written, if it tries to load program using serial that dont exist, it will freeze for around 10 minutes then crash
[23:13:06] <XXCoder> be damn sure file exists on server lol
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[23:13:45] <Tom_itx> so don't get it then. it'll just sit around and rust
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[23:14:05] <XXCoder> unless like magic, nobody else bid and you win it for $10
[23:15:18] <furrywolf> yeah, my planer is looking pretty rusty...
[23:15:51] <furrywolf> it's just a grizzly, at least.
[23:16:55] <furrywolf> I don't remember the exact model number, but it's very similar to https://auctionimages.s3.amazonaws.com/63985/27043/18417918.jpg
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[23:21:16] <furrywolf> I'll probably go there, make a small bid on everything, and head home and wait for the phone call that won't come. heh.
[23:21:29] <XXCoder> lol
[23:21:46] <XXCoder> make sure you can afford winning it too
[23:21:50] <XXCoder> haul cost and such lol
[23:21:58] <furrywolf> that's what credit cards are for! :P
[23:23:50] <XXCoder> :)
[23:24:02] <furrywolf> I don't much need an injection molding machine, but I have seen that machine (I got a quick tour of there once), and it is NEW. like, they've never actually injection molded anything.
[23:24:21] <furrywolf> I was giving a ride to someone who went there, and he showed me around.
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[23:24:37] <SpeedEvil> Lies.
[23:24:46] <SpeedEvil> Everybody needs an injection molding machine
[23:24:53] <XXCoder> injection molding not bad. if you can create molds using cnc machine
[23:24:58] <furrywolf> too bad they're not auctioning off the new 5-axis machining center and the other really shiny bits. :P
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[23:25:04] <XXCoder> great way to make lots cheap stuff I guess
[23:25:22] <XXCoder> new machines is all busy trying to pay for themselves
[23:25:22] <SpeedEvil> Pity GFRP is a bit tough to mold
[23:25:47] <furrywolf> the guy I picked up made some motorcycle triple-trees on the 5-axis machine...
[23:26:11] <Valen> SpeedEvil: tough to mould?
[23:26:35] <SpeedEvil> Valen: It wears the tooling with all the glass and is hard to pump IIRC
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[23:26:57] <furrywolf> yeah, I can imagine that eating expensive bits pretty quickly.
[23:27:15] <Valen> I'm lacking context for the conversation, but my dad was in fibreglass for 30 years
[23:27:53] <Valen> moulding it when its wet is pretty easy
[23:28:03] <Valen> cutting it after its cured isn't that bad
[23:28:04] <SpeedEvil> Valen: not that sort
[23:28:04] <furrywolf> Valen: there's an injection molding machine coming up at a local auction
[23:28:15] <Valen> ahh, he made a few of those
[23:28:26] <SpeedEvil> Valen: you take tiny chopped strand fibreglass, and mix it into plastic, then injection mold that
[23:28:33] <SpeedEvil> rather than set it with a resin
[23:28:39] <XXCoder> Valen: we turn fiberglass blocks to parts at my work
[23:28:46] <XXCoder> man it makes HUGE mess
[23:28:50] <Valen> I believe that's dough moulding
[23:28:54] <XXCoder> and it dulls tools so fast
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[23:29:14] <Valen> you need a different grind on the tools (at least for drills)
[23:29:24] <Valen> I have no idea what it is though lol
[23:30:36] <XXCoder> oh its not too bad, most tools use those replacable teeth
[23:30:52] <XXCoder> only big 1 inch em has to be replaced once a while
[23:31:08] <XXCoder> after say 25 parts or so
[23:31:18] <XXCoder> its fiberglass powder thats nasty
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[23:31:27] <Valen> when they were trimming stuff they had diamond tools made
[23:31:30] <XXCoder> its like shoveling sand out of coolant bins
[23:31:30] <Valen> they lasted forever
[23:31:59] <XXCoder> very fine sand, that turns into nice and handy itchy powder on skin if splashed
[23:33:45] <furrywolf> I hate working with fiberglass.
[23:34:44] <Valen> if you are doing a lot of it I'd take a look at getting some diamond grinding tools
[23:34:59] <Valen> you can rip through it, it'll give you a good edge as a rule too
[23:35:03] <XXCoder> its actually uncommon
[23:35:17] <XXCoder> each few months we make 35 parts of 3 variants
[23:35:32] <XXCoder> coworker says it used to be say 3 times a year
[23:35:45] <XXCoder> 2 actually but nowdays seems 4 times
[23:36:12] <XXCoder> I worked there 5 months now and so far 2 times
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[23:41:23] <XXCoder> anyway
[23:41:52] <XXCoder> I plan to bring my router to work and use work er8 see if it works
[23:41:54] <XXCoder> if it does woot
[23:42:05] <XXCoder> highly doubtful even though seller said it would
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[23:47:02] <XXCoder> wow
[23:47:04] <XXCoder> http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/dhtn4oywmy6hvbfmpjut.jpg
[23:47:07] <XXCoder> pluto halo
[23:47:18] <XXCoder> haze
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