#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-07-17

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[00:00:14] <PetefromTn_> but I put Nema 34 servos 1100 oz in on my RF45 and THAT was overkill nevermind an 0704 that is a fraction of the size and weight
[00:01:28] <PetefromTn_> http://cabinetplanner.com/images/100_1395.JPG I think if you made one of these out of 6061 instead of MDF it would be a sweet little machine for desktop/hobby use.
[00:03:34] <just_pink> sector_0:I can make you the frame of the machine free, just pay for the materials.
[00:04:16] <fenn> those rod ways look really wimpy
[00:04:46] <just_pink> I want to add 3d printer extrude, servo based
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[00:05:01] <fenn> better to use a rail with full support that actually contacts the frame along its length
[00:05:55] <SpeedEvil> MDF is about 15 times stiffer than MDF. However, all this means is a 1*1 beam of Al is as stiff as a 2*2 beam of MDF.
[00:06:39] <just_pink> Use PVC trim board.
[00:06:45] <fenn> this router for example supports the rails along their length http://joescnc.com/themachines-06.php
[00:06:56] <just_pink> and you can also glue tham very strong.
[00:06:58] <fenn> well, at points along their length
[00:07:47] <PetefromTn_> it's just a tabletop router
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[00:08:14] <fenn> this is another type of supported rail http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/20mmLinearMotionSystems/Kit7429
[00:08:17] <PetefromTn_> apparently that microcarve machine can cut aluminum with light passes so it is apparently pretty decent..
[00:09:00] <just_pink> sector_0: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MINI-COMPUTER-CONTROLLED-CNC-3040T-3-AXIS-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-MACHINE-ENGRAVING-/171851263725?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2803222eed
[00:09:02] <PetefromTn_> I liked the fixed Z gantry moving table design over the traveling gantry which is often prone to problems
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[00:10:40] <just_pink> PetefromTn_: datron use moving Z bridge.
[00:11:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah but datron is built off a monster chunk of granite
[00:11:14] <PetefromTn_> and an overengineered gantry
[00:11:23] <PetefromTn_> I did not say a moving gantry does not work
[00:11:31] <PetefromTn_> there are plenty of them around that do
[00:11:54] <PetefromTn_> but a lot of times these smaller cheaper machines suffer from a wobbly, flexy moving gantry
[00:12:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.datron.com/cnc-machines/inline.php
[00:12:05] <PetefromTn_> just my outside observation
[00:12:16] <just_pink> soooooo cuteeeeeeeeeeeee
[00:12:59] <fenn> the main problem is the ways are not supported along their length
[00:13:43] <PetefromTn_> it would be relatively east to add that feature if you think it is a problem to that design
[00:13:46] <fenn> displacement is proportional to length CUBED
[00:15:01] <fenn> yeah you could cut the linear bearing and add support beam but it's a lot of work
[00:15:21] <PetefromTn_> also it may not be clear but the rod ways are stressed members in the design and used to solidify the entire structure
[00:15:47] <fenn> that doesn't matter
[00:15:54] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/Buk7mAK.png
[00:16:06] <CaptHindsight> a stress free environment produces better results :)
[00:16:12] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAhJapz-21c
[00:16:16] <fenn> preloading just slightly increases the stiffness of the material, but this is a geometric problem
[00:16:22] <PetefromTn_> that is the new larger version of the same machine
[00:16:59] <just_pink> what do you think aboout eh panel?
[00:17:02] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/Buk7mAK.png
[00:18:36] <fenn> it looks really big and expensive
[00:19:00] <just_pink> the panel?
[00:19:07] <fenn> what are all the colored items?
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[00:19:22] <PetefromTn_> looks like din rail components
[00:19:22] <just_pink> fenn: terminal blocks..
[00:19:42] <fenn> this is just to connect wires together?
[00:21:02] <PetefromTn_> where's your power supply going?
[00:21:48] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/28stOO7vbFQA i rebuilt some of those small gantry routers last yeah for materials deposition
[00:22:46] <CaptHindsight> the weak spots after rebuilding is the twisting of the vertical supports for the gantry
[00:22:53] <CaptHindsight> not the bearing rails
[00:23:17] <CaptHindsight> not a problem for non-contact applications
[00:23:19] <fenn> CaptHindsight: does it have fully supported rails or just floating rods?
[00:23:35] <CaptHindsight> there had supported rails
[00:23:47] <fenn> kinda hard to see in the picture
[00:24:06] <CaptHindsight> ~$700 for the metal parts from Keiling/automation technology
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[00:24:57] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/28suTpLosrDH
[00:25:44] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/jCbcQBx.png
[00:26:10] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/28suk3wSbJiF fenn you can see the support in this pic
[00:26:14] <just_pink> this is much more cleare..
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[00:27:04] <just_pink> you can see the description in the pic that i sent..
[00:27:06] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/jCbcQBx.png
[00:27:16] <PetefromTn_> just_pink I would probably put the motors and encoders strips up near the drives and put your contactors and power supply together down near where power will come in
[00:28:17] <PetefromTn_> also you need to think about whatever spindle drive you will be using. If it is a VFD you will want to try to isolate it from signal wires etc.
[00:29:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/kl3040-cnc
[00:29:34] <just_pink> but the wite come grom the cable gland on the side ango to the terminal blocks an than go to the terminal blocs of the drivers
[00:29:39] <PetefromTn_> the geckos wiring can get pretty tight especially when packed close together like that. it is a lot of wires going to one place
[00:30:05] <CaptHindsight> the new routers have lead screws vs ball screws
[00:30:41] <just_pink> the geckos has dedicated terminals.
[00:30:59] <CaptHindsight> not sure why they bothered since the ball screw versions did capture the ends properly anyway, they had >1mm of play
[00:31:13] <CaptHindsight> did/didn't
[00:31:27] <PetefromTn_> yes it does and quite frankly I don't think it is necessary to have all those terminal blocks for the connections.
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[00:33:29] <just_pink> I need to add the bus bars ( more than 10)
[00:33:40] <fenn> CaptHindsight: the ones you rebuilt are the same as the cheap ebay routers?
[00:33:50] <fenn> the cnc 3040-T
[00:34:16] <CaptHindsight> fenn: hard to say, there are several variants
[00:34:35] <CaptHindsight> mine had ball screws and fully supported round rails
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[00:35:03] <CaptHindsight> they were just assembled poorly and the ball screws did not have nuts to apply preload
[00:35:43] <PetefromTn_> just_pink You might talk to Connor on here he has built an 0704 and may have some suggestions about wiring things up. His is steppers but since you are using geckos and servos with loop closed back to the drive the system is basically the same
[00:35:58] <CaptHindsight> I ended up shimming the balls crews since they had no material left to add thread to
[00:36:42] <CaptHindsight> the bearing blocks were also crunchy when moved
[00:37:02] <CaptHindsight> it was just junk in the lube vs balls with flat spots
[00:37:18] <CaptHindsight> so they didn't even keep the parts clean before assembly
[00:37:26] <fenn> it's the chinese national toxic waste disposal program
[00:37:59] <fenn> the communist party thanks you for your contribution
[00:38:00] <CaptHindsight> the factory floor was probably dirt or sand
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[01:18:58] <zeeshan-lab> lalalala
[01:19:40] <zeeshan-lab> hey guys
[01:19:47] <zeeshan-lab> 3A 40V~ stepper driver
[01:19:48] <zeeshan-lab> DSP
[01:19:57] <zeeshan-lab> any recommendations on what leadshine drive to get?
[01:23:15] <cpresser> the cheapest :)
[01:23:30] <tiwake> with a slow feed rate and high RPM, is it easier to get a shiny surface finish with a smaller tool radius vs a larger one?
[01:23:41] <zeeshan-lab> this is for the plasma cutter @ makerspace
[01:24:10] <cpresser> zeeshan-lab: i use "m542"
[01:24:44] <zeeshan-lab> tiwake surface finish is a large function of cutting speed, and feed
[01:24:59] <zeeshan-lab> and tool + machine rgidity
[01:25:01] <_methods> cradek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoKS5pUxWZg
[01:25:38] <tiwake> zeeshan-lab: and tool nose radius has nothing to do with it?
[01:27:11] <zeeshan-lab> it does
[01:27:19] <zeeshan-lab> thats the scallops that the tool leaves behind
[01:27:31] <zeeshan-lab> i forget the formula
[01:28:19] <zeeshan-lab> http://www.kanabco.com/vms/eng_surface/eng_surface_04.html
[01:28:33] <zeeshan-lab> see that is the theoretical surface finish
[01:28:42] <zeeshan-lab> but say you''re feeding too slowly
[01:28:56] <zeeshan-lab> now youll get ploughing
[01:29:30] <zeeshan-lab> which will ruin surface finish (notice how that formula has nothing about minimum feed rate, it makes you think that the slower you feed, the better surface finish you get -- that is true only to a point)
[01:29:40] <tiwake> I cant feed too slowly cause they want a specific roughness
[01:29:54] <greg___> material?
[01:29:59] <tiwake> 1045
[01:30:06] <tiwake> which is pretty nice stuff to machine
[01:30:22] <greg___> inserts?
[01:30:42] <tiwake> sure
[01:30:48] <greg___> which exactly?
[01:30:51] <tiwake> oh
[01:31:19] <tiwake> WNMG 332 is what I'm using at the moment
[01:31:54] <tiwake> for part of the nose I'm using a topnotch cause they want a small radius in a corner of the nose
[01:31:56] <zeeshan-lab> tiwake: one cool test i learned about in class was the facing test
[01:32:03] <zeeshan-lab> you keep rpm @ say 1000RPM
[01:32:10] <zeeshan-lab> then take like a 3" diameter work piece and face it
[01:32:13] <zeeshan-lab> youll find 2 rings
[01:32:20] <greg___> it's more complicated than that, check the manufacturer for recommendations for the specific grade
[01:32:22] <zeeshan-lab> where you get shitty surface finish
[01:32:34] <tiwake> the other two parts I have done for them came out really nice
[01:32:41] <zeeshan-lab> using the formula rpm = 4*cuttingspeed / diameter
[01:32:49] <zeeshan-lab> you can figure out what your ideal surface speed should be
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[01:33:51] <greg___> Zee that's interesting
[01:34:13] <greg___> assuming you happen to be in the range that hits the speed
[01:34:18] <zeeshan-lab> that is true!
[01:34:24] <tiwake> greg___: oh good point... I think I have some other inserts that are a different grade, I could try those before rewriting part of the program
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[01:35:01] <greg___> so if you have a finish you're happy with you should just be able to use the formula to get the Ra they are asking for.
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[01:35:37] <greg___> I have some inserts that have to be run so fast on a manual machine I rarely get a nice finish in steel.
[01:36:43] <greg___> So i finish some parts with high rake inserts made for aluminum
[01:36:47] <tiwake> I think I can get a good finish with the topnotch I have, so I might just have the WNMG rough it out and skim it with the topnotch
[01:38:14] <tiwake> but first, I'm going to see about getting some food :3
[01:38:40] <greg___> http://www.dieselrc.com/projects/cncspindle/008.jpg
[01:38:56] <tiwake> yeah
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[01:40:07] <zeeshan-lab> i have had good luck with positive rake inserts
[01:40:12] <tiwake> part of the problem is this part is a smaller part than the others, and I only have a big burly CNC lathe
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[01:41:36] <tiwake> anyway, food
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[01:44:47] <PetefromTn_> is that the Emco Compact 6 or is that manual lathe CNC'd?
[01:45:42] <greg___> yes Compact 6P CNC, later called Turn 120
[01:46:47] <PetefromTn_> are you tiwake?
[01:47:37] * greg___ is not tiwake?
[01:47:40] <PetefromTn_> that is a serious question
[01:47:45] <greg___> no
[01:47:46] <PetefromTn_> not a smart ass crack
[01:47:52] <PetefromTn_> OK
[01:47:53] <greg___> i was making the crack
[01:48:43] <greg___> i'd be checking myself in if I was talking to myself, Not that i do that in the shop
[01:49:44] <zeeshan-lab> YAY last test of the night
[01:50:11] <greg___> i don't see any other greg but it won't let me change my name or is it because my browser crashes?
[01:50:26] <zeeshan-lab> greg are you new here?
[01:51:26] <greg___> I only check in occasionally. I don't hang out here much, not as much as i have in the last week or two
[01:51:45] <zeeshan-lab> so youre saying you're too good to hang out with us?
[01:51:52] <zeeshan-lab> :D
[01:52:39] <greg___> I've only cheked in when I couldn't make linuxCNC work, but you guys are alright
[01:52:57] <furrywolf> yay, at least someone likes me. :P
[01:53:50] <PetefromTn_> everone but zeeshan anyway ;)
[01:55:13] * furrywolf always tries to help whenever possible, but seems pretty universally hated anyway
[01:55:19] <zeeshan-lab> :)
[01:55:40] <zeeshan-lab> man there is a fatigue test going on the servohydraulic tensile frame
[01:55:42] <greg___> my emco retrfit has been dragging for far too long, but I think i have all the parts. the C6 didn't have central lube!
[01:55:45] <PetefromTn_> maybe if you stopped talking about jamming things up your butt?
[01:55:55] <zeeshan-lab> and ill tell you this much, that yes they are superior to screw driven testers
[01:55:58] <zeeshan-lab> but FUCK they are annoying
[01:56:03] <zeeshan-lab> its extremely loud
[01:56:22] <zeeshan-lab> PetefromTn ROFL
[01:56:44] <zeeshan-lab> greg___: are you using the stock servo drives?
[01:56:48] <PetefromTn_> what are the capacities of the compact 6?
[01:57:01] <greg___> no, servos and geckos
[01:57:09] <greg___> like 4x6"
[01:57:36] <PetefromTn_> can't close the loop back to linuxCNC with geckos can you?
[01:57:49] <greg___> maybe
[01:58:12] <greg___> I've read it's been done, But I might change the drives
[01:58:36] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: I've mentioned sex toys far less than, say, shape memory polymers, or anodizing, or many of the other off-topic things discussed here... also, I have more than just anal toys, you know...
[01:58:37] <PetefromTn_> I had them on my RF45 and they worked okay but closed loop linuxCNC is the shiznit
[01:58:39] <greg___> I run my frankenmill on geckos and it's fine unless i estop
[01:59:07] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf relax man I was just busting your chops
[01:59:35] <_methods> buwhahahahhahah
[01:59:59] <PetefromTn_> when you are not talking about strap ons or complaining about everything you actually have a lot to contribute it seems...therefore you are most welcome!
[02:00:33] <PetefromTn_> :D
[02:00:35] <greg___> yes your input on electrical was helpful, thanks
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[02:02:59] <PetefromTn_> I would not have gotten near as far as I did with the damn anodizing if it were not for your help with the POS chinese power supply hehe
[02:03:14] <furrywolf> heh, glad to help. :)
[02:03:29] <furrywolf> for some reason _methods hates me, though, and it's annoying... I can't remember ever being mean to him.
[02:04:17] <jdh> perhaps he's an analprobe-aphobe
[02:04:27] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[02:04:28] <greg___> I should look at the mesa servo drives
[02:04:30] <_methods> hahhaha
[02:04:30] <furrywolf> heh
[02:04:33] <_methods> mr hands
[02:04:45] <_methods> 10th anniversary today
[02:04:53] <_methods> he must be all upset because of htat
[02:05:19] <_methods> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumclaw_horse_sex_case
[02:05:43] <_methods> one of his relatives probably
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[02:07:03] <zeeshan-lab> man im so excited
[02:07:03] <PetefromTn_> WOW
[02:07:12] <zeeshan-lab> i just CAUGHT AN AWESOME FRACTURE on amera
[02:07:14] <zeeshan-lab> camera
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[02:07:42] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan-lab apparently it doesn't take much to get you excited hehe
[02:08:10] <zeeshan-lab> rofl
[02:09:23] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: what do you mean am I tiwake?
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[02:10:14] <PetefromTn_> nothing man greg answered a question I posed to you after you went to eat and I thought maybe you had two logins or something.
[02:10:59] <tiwake> I thought maybe you ran across a tiwake somewhere else on the internet... heh
[02:11:34] <tiwake> as far as I know, there is only one tiwake, except for maybe in japan
[02:11:53] <greg___> Oh, I thought you looked at my site and saw the Compact 6
[02:12:13] <PetefromTn_> no I looked at the link he posted
[02:12:18] <greg___> i posted it
[02:12:19] <PetefromTn_> he apparently has one too
[02:12:31] <PetefromTn_> Oh oops hell then nevermind!
[02:12:48] <PetefromTn_> with the diesel RC motors?
[02:13:00] <greg___> but that part is in my clausing 4900 not the emco, yes that's me
[02:13:11] <PetefromTn_> OK
[02:13:19] <PetefromTn_> sorry for the cornfusion
[02:13:58] <greg___> no worrries, time for some snack before bed
[02:14:23] <PetefromTn_> love snacks before bed.... lemme see what I got here
[02:15:40] <tiwake> vodka before bed
[02:15:48] <PetefromTn_> WOW
[02:15:49] <os1r1s> jfindley: Around?
[02:16:01] <PetefromTn_> that would absolutely KILL my stomach
[02:16:19] <PetefromTn_> are you of Soviet descent?
[02:16:27] <tiwake> vodka is a pretty good disinfectant... heh
[02:16:33] <furrywolf> hrmm, reading the news, someone just found a record-sized redwood tree around here... 29.2ft diameter at breast height. 116ft circumference at the ground, 860ft2 crosssection.
[02:16:43] <tiwake> neh, it just mixes well with pretty much anything
[02:16:59] <PetefromTn_> I can't even drink that stuff
[02:18:08] <tiwake> though infused vodka is pretty darn good
[02:18:33] <tiwake> with various different fruits or w/e
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[02:34:21] <roycroft> not S. sempervirens, i should think
[02:35:05] <roycroft> if it's that big it would be a sequoiadendron giganteum, and in the sierras, not on the coast
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[02:37:11] <roycroft> oh, that one is a sequoia sempervirens
[02:37:21] <roycroft> the largest one on record in diameter
[02:37:37] <roycroft> and also one of the tallest ones on record
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[02:41:01] <furrywolf> we have some big trees around here. :)
[02:41:06] <roycroft> yes
[02:41:14] <roycroft> but coast redwoods are the tallest trees in the world
[02:41:27] <roycroft> mountain redwoods are the largest in volume
[02:41:39] <roycroft> most of the really tall coast redwoods are 10-15 feet in diameter
[02:42:35] * roycroft has spent plenty of time in the redwoods - mainly jedediah smith state park, prarie creek redwoods state park, humboldt redwoods state park, and redwoods national park
[02:42:46] <roycroft> not so much in del norte redwoods state park for some reason
[02:43:18] <Tecan> been a long day
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[02:43:40] <furrywolf> I should hike to see some of the really big ones someday. would be fun.
[02:44:13] <roycroft> i avoid the drive-through ones
[02:44:18] <Tecan> roy its amazing how they used to cut those huge redwoods down back in the day
[02:44:57] <Tecan> and transporting
[02:45:17] <roycroft> the grove of titans in jedediah smith state park are huge and fairly accessable
[02:45:40] <roycroft> the avenue of the giants is fairly awesome, but pretty heavily traveled - it's a big tourist destination
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[02:47:55] <furrywolf> I hate hiking on paved or gravelled trails... I usually just find an old logging road and see where it goes.
[02:49:05] <furrywolf> grove of titans is an annoying drive from here, avenue of the giants is more pleasant.
[02:49:17] <furrywolf> usually I hike in second-growth forest, because that's what I live next to.
[02:51:10] <furrywolf> or third-growth if I'm on current logging land.
[02:51:19] <furrywolf> or worse for some of it. lol
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[03:05:52] <tiwake> alright, that topnotch is giving me a pretty good finish
[03:06:00] <tiwake> so thats what I'm using now :)
[03:06:47] <zeeshan-lab> nicve
[03:09:17] <tiwake> also, I stuffed my face senseless with burritos
[03:10:22] <furrywolf> tiwake: I did that the other day. except it was just one burrito. went to a place with some friends that had a "you can't eat this" sized burrito... it was about 16" long and 6" thick. I ate it. lol
[03:11:03] <furrywolf> maybe 5" thick, actually.
[03:11:33] <tiwake> ha
[03:12:01] <tiwake> well, this was a $5 burrito from a local mexican food stand
[03:12:13] <tiwake> pretty good size for $5
[03:12:25] <tiwake> ...I should have stopped at 1.5 of them
[03:12:56] <furrywolf> lol
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[03:17:48] <renesis> i had freebirds monster burrito
[03:18:00] <renesis> it is a reasonably large size
[03:18:45] <tiwake> Mr Toilet wont like me when I go to visit it
[03:18:49] <tiwake> ...very soon
[03:19:17] <renesis> roycroft: i drove through jedediah smith state park because friend said was awesome, it was
[03:19:39] <renesis> want to go there and hang out for at least a day
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[03:21:05] <renesis> the 101 going downhill through that area is a great drive, temps dropped like 30 degrees over a few miles, and the scenery was like the redwoods stages of every arcade freeway racing game ever
[03:21:27] <renesis> pac nw is so neat
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[03:51:20] <zeeshan> https://youtu.be/pjxlSSIGzAY
[03:51:26] <zeeshan> crack that i was talking about earlier
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[04:34:59] <trentster> Howdy all - I have had an issue on my CNC router when I increase the feedrate the Z axis is either dropping too far into the stock(cutting too deep) or not retracting high enough. Only happens at faster feed rates, if I keep things slow all works perfecto. My assumption is that the Z axis is too heavy for the stepper at fast speeds and loses holding torque. Have any of you seen this issue?
[04:35:08] <trentster> btw - my steppers are all https://oceancontrols.com.au/MOT-128.html
[04:35:30] <tiwake> alright, I'm done turning for today
[04:35:37] <zeeshan> pics
[04:35:48] <tiwake> 12 hours at the shop is long enough
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[04:39:39] <furrywolf> it's not holding torque you're thinking of, but yes, steppers lose a lot of torque at higher speeds.
[04:40:20] <furrywolf> you can try adding springs or counterbalances to your axis, use a fancier stepper motor, use a higher drive voltage, or run slower.
[04:41:04] <furrywolf> doubling the drive voltage will roughly double the torque at a given speed
[04:41:41] <furrywolf> doubling the money spent on the stepper motor will also roughly double the torque at a given speed and drive voltage. :)
[04:42:31] <furrywolf> if you look about 2/3rds of the way down on the page you pasted, they give a torque vs speed graph
[04:42:47] <furrywolf> you can also sometimes get more top speed by decreasing the maximum acceleration
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[04:50:47] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime.
[04:51:08] <trentster> furrywolf: thanks
[04:51:31] <furrywolf> glad to help. :)
[04:52:03] <trentster> I forgot to mention I am running all steppers in "parallel"
[04:52:09] <trentster> not sure if thats optimal or not
[04:52:26] <furrywolf> yes
[04:52:37] <furrywolf> series is much worse for high-speed torque
[04:52:49] <trentster> Now I understand why a lot of people always spec a much larger stepper for the Z axis, makes sense now
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[04:53:47] <just_pink_> hi
[04:53:59] <just_pink_> someone here at this time?
[04:54:32] <trentster> just_pink: its pretty quite at this time, most of the US folk are in the land of Dreams
[04:54:33] <furrywolf> torque at high speeds is limited by inductance. if your steps are short, there's not enough time for the current in the windings to rise much, due to the motor's inductance. wiring in parallel gives a lower inductance than wiring in series, so it works better. increasing the drive voltage forces current to flow quicker. spending money on a lower-inductance stepper also causes the current to rise quicker.
[04:54:52] <furrywolf> one trick I've seen people do is putting air shocks on their Z axis to support the weight.
[04:54:56] <just_pink_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-15-Inch-4Wire-Resistive-Touch-Screen-Panel-Kit-USB-Controller-H1222-YD-/181789085865?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a537950a9
[04:55:10] <just_pink_> how this kit work??
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[04:56:10] <trentster> furrywolf: thanks - you sure know your stuff. I wanted to ask you, for a DIY router using ballscrews on all axises, should I drop my microstepping to "8" or "4" instead of the current 16 I am using?
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[04:56:49] <trentster> I recall reading somewhere this will improve torque as well at the expense of possible noise, precision, and resonance?
[04:57:06] <furrywolf> only if your top speed is limited by how fast you can generate pulses. if you're using a parallel port breakout board, this might be the case. if you're using good hardware, it won't be.
[04:57:24] <trentster> I am using leadshine digital drivers, not sure if this counters noise at smaller stepping
[04:57:32] <furrywolf> most non-chinese drivers will generate a good waveform no matter what the microstepping is
[04:57:49] <furrywolf> most chinese drivers will suck no matter what it is. :)
[04:57:59] <trentster> furrywolf: leadshines are chinese, but pretty good imho
[04:58:09] <trentster> I have seen some folks prefer them to geckos
[04:58:37] <furrywolf> geckos detect high step rates and transition to an optimized-for-torque waveform...
[04:58:57] <just_pink_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnaMV3_6Cyk
[04:59:07] <just_pink_> it's look soo cool
[04:59:51] <furrywolf> now, bbl. bedtime!
[04:59:56] <trentster> just_pink: yeah it is cool
[05:00:05] <trentster> furrywolf: sleep well mate - and thanks for the info
[05:00:16] <just_pink_> but what driver it's use?
[05:01:05] <trentster> I think it just interprets finger tuck as mouse pointer location
[05:02:03] <just_pink_> but you need to calibrate it..
[05:03:22] <trentster> not sure, I have never used one
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[05:04:33] <just_pink_> i want to connect the screen with nice arm.
[05:07:37] <just_pink_> I have 2 A4 pages full of s
[05:07:54] <just_pink_> I have 2 A4 pages full of stuff that i want to add to the machine.
[05:09:13] <just_pink_> trentster: do you know where i can find nice and reliable voltmeter?
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[05:11:57] <trentster> just_pink: I use a Fluke
[05:12:08] <trentster> its nice and reliable - but not exactly cheap.
[05:12:53] <trentster> try and get something that is true rms - especially if you working with electronics
[05:13:10] <Crom> I want a fluke. But limp along with harbor freight multimeters
[05:13:13] <just_pink_> there it Fluke for panel??
[05:13:47] <trentster> http://en-us.fluke.com/products/digital-multimeters/fluke-177-digital-multimeter.html
[05:13:55] <just_pink_> I have few from HF
[05:13:56] <just_pink_> thay nice but I want something good for the panel..
[05:14:00] <trentster> oh you mean for panel of enclosure?
[05:14:23] <trentster> you can just use an ebay cheapie, should be fine, its what I use
[05:15:25] <just_pink_> thay junk..
[05:15:25] <just_pink_> I want some brand name.
[05:17:29] <trentster> not sure
[05:19:09] <just_pink_> what is better digital or analog?
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[05:20:49] <just_pink_> phantoxeD: hi
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[05:23:54] <just_pink_> someone know about good vold meter for panel?
[05:23:58] <just_pink_> volt*
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[05:24:31] <just_pink_> ?
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[05:28:03] <just_pink_> what is better digital or analog?
[05:28:04] <just_pink_> what is better digital or analog?
[05:31:36] <just_pink_> I think I wil go with analog
[05:36:31] <just_pink_> http://www.abb.com/productdetails/ABB2CSG113230R4001
[05:36:35] <just_pink_> soooo cute
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[05:39:33] <just_pink_> hi nofxx
[05:39:40] <archivist> rare to fit voltmeters on cnc panels
[05:40:49] <just_pink_> 72V 20A DC
[05:43:11] <just_pink_> but i want to know that the power supply is working good
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[05:48:26] <just_pink_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MK-Electronics-701-13-Analog-Panel-Mount-DC-Volt-Ohms-Meter-300-Volt-Gauge-/161526410667?hash=item259bb96dab&vxp=mtr
[05:48:32] <just_pink_> look soo cute
[05:50:27] <just_pink_> Fluke
[05:50:28] <just_pink_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fluke-0-500-Volts-Large-Square-Analog-Panel-Meter-FREE-Shipping-in-USA-/391056245649?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5b0cc4c391
[05:50:33] <just_pink_> for panel!!
[05:55:34] <just_pink_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BAM-48-100VD-Analog-Panel-Meter-0-100-DC-Voltmeter-48x48mm-/201074916252?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ed0ffbb9c
[05:55:46] <just_pink_> what is BAM?
[05:55:59] <just_pink_> this is good band name?
[05:56:09] <just_pink_> or junk?
[05:59:08] <archivist> never heard of BAM, looks american
[05:59:59] <archivist> as long as the LEDs are on on the stepper/servo drivers you know the powere is on
[06:00:18] <just_pink_> and i need re make the plate inside
[06:00:46] <just_pink_> the drivers inside the panel..
[06:01:23] <archivist> open the panel only if there is a problem :)
[06:01:42] <just_pink_> i can't see them from outside
[06:02:25] <archivist> what I am trying to say, is this a real need, or a luxury
[06:02:45] <just_pink_> real need
[06:02:55] <just_pink_> I want to be able to monitor it.
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[06:06:10] <trentster> archivist: howdy remember the other day we were discussing my gantry stiffness etc. Not related to the gantry I wanted to get your opinion on what microstepping you recommend for my setup with all axis being driven by ballscrew?
[06:06:47] <trentster> I read somewhere that 16 microsteps loses a lot of torque for cnc routers driven by ballscrew, do you think I should reduce to 8 or 4 microsteps?
[06:07:40] <just_pink_> trentster: you know that now servo and stepper cost the same?
[06:08:00] <trentster> just_pink: nope - not in my world they dont
[06:08:08] <archivist> microsteps mainly give you a smoother system with less resonance
[06:09:07] <just_pink_> trentster: G320x cost about 115$ stepper driver cost about 100
[06:09:37] <just_pink_> for 15$ you will get much much better system.
[06:09:44] <archivist> I tend to half step for the power/torque
[06:10:55] <archivist> but if going slowly through resonance I use 8
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[06:11:00] <trentster> just_pink: thats the driver, but it still needs a servo motor right?
[06:11:02] <just_pink_> half is the strongest way,
[06:11:23] <just_pink_> yes.. almost the same also..
[06:11:46] <just_pink_> sometime servo even cost less..
[06:11:58] <just_pink_> it's just DC motor..
[06:12:07] <trentster> archivist: yeah thats what I thought, I am using 16 at the moment and my machine is probably no way near that accurate anyway, I should probably drop to 4 or 8
[06:12:55] <trentster> just_pink: where is the url for servo motor at the same cost - this should be interesting
[06:13:43] <just_pink_> what is the size that you nnned?
[06:13:46] <just_pink_> need*
[06:14:08] <trentster> nema 23
[06:14:11] <just_pink_> half is te strongest way with steppet..
[06:14:29] <just_pink_> and torqe?
[06:14:45] <trentster> 470Oz should be fine
[06:14:58] <just_pink_> the 16, 8, 4 it's just to get it more acurate.
[06:15:18] <just_pink_> 470Oz cm? in? meter?
[06:17:10] <trentster> just_pink: something equivalent to this https://oceancontrols.com.au/MOT-128.html
[06:20:01] <archivist> just_pink, more microsteps is not always more accurate
[06:20:44] <just_pink_> you hope it will..
[06:21:01] <just_pink_> this is why it exsist
[06:21:15] <archivist> http://www.micromo.com/microstepping-myths-and-realities
[06:21:25] <archivist> read that :)
[06:21:26] <just_pink_> trentster: http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema23-m-dc-servo-motor/3-axis-nema23-350ozin-60v20a-psu-g230x-gecko-driver
[06:22:11] <just_pink_> just the motor http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema23-m-dc-servo-motor/skewed-rotor-design-nema23-dual-shaft
[06:22:39] <trentster> archivist: thanks I actually read that page yesterday ;-)
[06:23:13] <trentster> The only thing I was worried about was resonanace and stepper noise but I dont think the stepper noise will be an issue with digital drivers I am using
[06:23:14] <archivist> helps to know the myths too
[06:23:37] <trentster> yeah - thats a great page
[06:24:03] <archivist> I use a chinese driver leadshine or look alike
[06:24:29] <trentster> just_pink: thanks for the link - I had no idea servos had become so cost effective.
[06:24:46] <just_pink_> you see.
[06:24:51] <trentster> archivist: I use leadshine AM882 with stall detection - so far no complaints
[06:25:00] <archivist> but that driver makes you use stepdir which is sill a pain
[06:26:00] <just_pink_> trentster: why do you work with micro steps?
[06:26:12] <just_pink_> it's too fast?
[06:26:15] <trentster> but the driver knows where the servo is at all times right, its still closed loop?
[06:26:51] <trentster> just_pink: I use microsteps for smoothness and resolution I guess
[06:26:56] <just_pink_> trentster: what is the ball screw pitch?
[06:27:54] <just_pink_> to get smoothness you need to set the acceleration right
[06:28:00] <trentster> just_pink: 5
[06:28:07] <just_pink_> 5 mm?
[06:28:12] <trentster> yup
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[06:28:53] <just_pink_> without any micro stepping you will get 0.025 mm resulotion.
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[06:29:15] <archivist> and this is what you get half step http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/
[06:30:27] <trentster> wow! so why on earth would anyone actually need like 16 microsteps then?
[06:30:32] <just_pink_> trentster: with half step it will drop to 0.01 and then probably the backlash and temperature change will make much more difference
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[06:31:12] <trentster> just noise and longevity of mechanical components?
[06:31:31] <archivist> never dream about the errors, measure the errors
[06:31:59] <just_pink_> trentster: stay wirth full step, if your machin is router based you are not going to see any difference.
[06:32:36] <archivist> depends on quality not form
[06:33:06] <trentster> just_pink: thanks - that makes sense, will test it now - and if stepper noise does not bug me, I will use it
[06:33:45] <just_pink_> after the change in the Drivers from 1/16 to 1
[06:34:09] <just_pink_> you wil have to set the acceleration again in linux cnc.
[06:34:13] <trentster> I also need to take machine apart at some point and put it back together using locktite, I notice screws are coming loose because of vibration -(sigh) the joys!
[06:34:51] <just_pink_> trentster: what kind a machine is that??
[06:35:06] <just_pink_> dremel based?
[06:35:11] <archivist> shakeproof washers or lock nuts
[06:35:41] <trentster> just_pink: nah using a spindle
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[06:35:57] <just_pink_> but what machine is that?
[06:36:29] <trentster> just_pink: its a DIY build let me grab a pic for ya
[06:37:06] <just_pink_> fine.
[06:37:11] <trentster> http://monosnap.com/image/qPcJ1Dc51TkTfoBlOBS2ul3x50rt3N
[06:37:23] <trentster> thats while I was building it looks a bit different now
[06:37:32] <trentster> strengthened wider gantry etc.
[06:37:46] <trentster> * I must take an updated pic
[06:38:05] <just_pink_> hoo now I remember - you had the issue with the flaxebility..
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[06:38:32] <archivist> everybody has machine flex
[06:38:40] <archivist> the amount varies
[06:39:20] <just_pink_> yeh..
[06:40:00] <just_pink_> I want some day to make an epoxy granit to the back of the machine
[06:40:10] <archivist> narrow columns on mills a common cause
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[06:40:53] <Deejay> moin
[06:40:59] <just_pink_> moin?
[06:41:06] <just_pink_> morning?
[06:41:08] <Deejay> yep
[06:41:12] <just_pink_> hehe
[06:41:16] <Deejay> hi :)
[06:41:28] <just_pink_> hi.
[06:41:45] <just_pink_> I'm still working on papers..
[06:42:19] <just_pink_> and to the boring stuff of calculated and shape the panel.
[06:42:37] <just_pink_> I need to out sorce it..
[06:42:47] <just_pink_> I'm hate to do it.
[06:43:18] <just_pink_> soooo freakin boooring
[06:44:44] <just_pink_> someone want to do it for me?
[06:44:49] <just_pink_> I will pay you.
[06:46:06] <trentster> so the machine looks like this now: just took some new pics, still a mess tho :P
[06:46:08] <trentster> http://monosnap.com/image/YWAe7Fh9XOwitXkZniDJA0CnXOHg4u
[06:46:59] <trentster> http://monosnap.com/image/1qWHMHfoAxDF9Zmez9hZSxdtyE0Hw7
[06:47:28] <just_pink_> the spindle sooo small wow.
[06:47:32] <just_pink_> tiny.
[06:47:39] <trentster> http://monosnap.com/image/pYJr5AJCfkYlUoJArGZzHKQQ03HPdx
[06:48:05] <trentster> heh yeah its a 400W spindle - will upgrade when budget/pocket says go ahead :-)
[06:48:21] <just_pink_> you need to rotate the drivers 90 deg.
[06:48:46] <just_pink_> 400W is't ok..
[06:49:36] <archivist> trentster, when the machine is stopped, place a dti on the bed, with the plunger on the gantry side, push back and forward, how much does it move
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[06:50:22] <trentster> just_pink: if you want to send me a 2.2KW water cooled spindle + VFD, I would not be to proud to say yes ;-)
[06:50:28] <archivist> this will rotate around the ballscrew nut rotating the gantry twisting the two sides
[06:50:51] <just_pink_> trentster: but you make me the electrical panel.
[06:50:55] <archivist> may not be here for answer waiting to be picked up
[06:51:59] <trentster> archivist: will take me awhile to retest - but from what I recall it was about .25 of a mm
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[06:52:58] <just_pink_> trentster: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-2KW-WATER-COOLED-SPINDLE-MOTOR-2-2KW-VFD-INVERTER-MILLING-GRILLING-GRIND-/171047740473?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27d33d6439
[06:53:19] <archivist> something like I expected, as that force comes from your cutting forces adding to inaccuracy
[06:53:21] <just_pink_> for this price i will send you 2
[06:53:29] <just_pink_> but you make the panel..
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[06:53:55] <archivist> just_pink, you need the experience :)
[06:54:07] <trentster> just_pink: you also have to factor in spindle mount, and water pump
[06:54:54] <just_pink_> water pupm 50$..
[06:55:04] <archivist> having a spindle too powerful for the frame does not make sense
[06:55:13] <just_pink_> I will make you Stainless mount,
[06:55:46] <trentster> just_pink: you are a very generous dude!
[06:56:15] <just_pink_> but you are going to deal with 400-500 terminal blocks..
[06:56:29] <just_pink_> and do it by the book of the OCD.
[06:57:13] <trentster> archivist: yeah, there is definately some unwanted flex there for sure. If I had to make it again I would probably lose the supported rail as well and use NSk linear used kit for all axis. They seem to be available pretty cheap used for South Korea
[06:58:14] <archivist> use two ball screws either side to remove that twist
[06:58:20] <just_pink_> trentster: and please rotate the drivers 90 deg, this wat the heat build up in the heatsink without any way to go up, so it's almost useless.
[06:58:42] <just_pink_> two ball screws = 2 motors
[06:59:02] <archivist> or a belt between the two
[06:59:54] <trentster> just_pink: yeah I will move them, this is just a temporary setup on a piece of mdf, what I still need to do is put in another shelf for the computer, cut the front panel from acrylic and then cut holes in the back for fans etc.
[07:00:14] <trentster> Hopefully my cnc will handle cutting through that steel of the enclosure at very slow feed rates
[07:00:50] <just_pink_> you sont have to cut the steel with the cnc.
[07:01:27] <just_pink_> just make large hole and make brash aluminom plate
[07:01:31] <just_pink_> don't*
[07:02:25] <trentster> archivist: yeah was thinking of adding an additional ballscrew for y axis, but the place I got the current one from does not seem to carry it anymore. I do have a spare stepper but the costs add up will mean additional gantry mount and BK blocks
[07:03:26] <trentster> just_pink: yeah that would be my second option, cut a hole with a dremel and use aluminium, but first option is to cut directly, neater and nicer that way.
[07:04:31] <just_pink_> the plate it better,
[07:04:36] <trentster> I need to go to CNC boot camp and get some engineering help with this :P either that or join a maker community space somewhere to get access to big machinery
[07:06:08] <just_pink_> the plate give you the ability to make changes
[07:06:29] <trentster> just_pink: yeah - you are right now that I think about it, plate makes more sense
[07:06:29] <just_pink_> where are you from?
[07:06:51] <trentster> Australia, Melbourne - you?
[07:06:57] <just_pink_> NY
[07:07:09] <trentster> nice
[07:07:26] <just_pink_> I think I'm te only one here from NY
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[07:08:21] <trentster> except for the NYC CNC guy :-)
[07:08:41] <trentster> but he is not a linuxcnc user it seems
[07:08:47] <just_pink_> cold as hell all the times but 3 mount hot as hell
[07:09:09] <just_pink_> nyc cnc is here??
[07:09:27] <trentster> nah - I am just kidding
[07:09:49] <just_pink_> he is so handsome
[07:10:14] <just_pink_> I like him and his videos.
[07:10:24] <trentster> I am more attracted to his Tormachs
[07:11:06] <just_pink_> at the begining I want to buy a tormach or used cnc machine.
[07:11:48] <just_pink_> but I'm living in second floor
[07:12:10] <trentster> your neighbours must love you!
[07:12:29] <just_pink_> so.. I had to go with something that I can move with muscle force.
[07:12:33] <just_pink_> why?
[07:12:38] <trentster> noise
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[07:12:49] <just_pink_> no noise
[07:12:58] <just_pink_> super quite
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[07:13:03] <archivist> not making much then :)
[07:13:22] <trentster> your machine in a sound proof enclosure?
[07:13:39] <just_pink_> I make the stack lighet becase all the time I'm forgat it working.
[07:13:43] <just_pink_> no
[07:14:27] <just_pink_> and it use very big servos. (1125 Oz/in)
[07:14:59] <archivist> it is the cutting that is noisy not the motors
[07:15:15] <trentster> archivist: he I was just about to say that
[07:15:38] <just_pink_> less then 50 DB
[07:15:44] <just_pink_> spindle workin.
[07:15:47] <trentster> the motors can be 100% silent the bit cutting material will make mega noise
[07:15:50] <archivist> although my steppers vibrate the floors a bit
[07:16:12] <just_pink_> I want to make servo spindle conversion Direct drive.
[07:16:35] <trentster> just_pink: you got a photo of your machine?
[07:16:40] <just_pink_> and then I will be total heaven
[07:16:46] <just_pink_> G0704
[07:17:13] <just_pink_> very common machine..
[07:17:51] <just_pink_> green :(
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[07:18:31] <just_pink_> http://www.sogi-tools.com/product_info.php?cPath=92&products_id=499
[07:18:49] <just_pink_> OMG!!! it is soooo cuuuuteeeeee machhheeein!!! soo cute!!
[07:18:53] <just_pink_> I want it!!
[07:19:03] <just_pink_> TOTAL PINK CNC!
[07:19:32] <trentster> just_pink: out of curiosity, are you male or female?
[07:19:34] <archivist> get a tub of paint!
[07:20:57] <just_pink_> trentster: it's not clear?
[07:21:16] <trentster> just_pink: tough? question?
[07:21:30] <trentster> lol - well there are various possible answers
[07:21:41] <archivist> I know the difference when I see dainty little hands :)
[07:21:55] <just_pink_> I'm female.
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[07:23:27] <trentster> just_pink: :-) no offence intended, its just that I don't know many woman who are into CNC milling etc. Its a pleasant suprise
[07:23:40] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/xf8Qnq8.png
[07:24:01] <just_pink> trentster: ^
[07:24:18] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/1TqJubR.png
[07:24:47] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/jCbcQBx.png
[07:25:05] <just_pink> trentster: ?
[07:25:38] <trentster> just_pink: yup?
[07:25:51] <just_pink> you see the pics?
[07:26:18] <trentster> I did indeed - saw some hands with long nails and nail polish ;-)
[07:26:19] <archivist> someone was supposed to pick me up an hour ago...
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[07:26:50] <trentster> archivist: hope you not waiting out on the street
[07:27:35] <just_pink> trentster: I'm in to CNC becuse I like to make stuff but dont like to work hard..
[07:27:44] <archivist> nope sitting at home
[07:27:46] <trentster> just_pink: me too
[07:28:09] <trentster> just_pink: what kind of stuff do you make?
[07:28:16] <just_pink> I'm thinking about make a 3d printer options..
[07:28:26] <just_pink> part for the machine.. :)
[07:28:32] <just_pink> not much..
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[07:29:29] <just_pink> http://www.ebay.com/itm/All-Metal-J-head-Hotend-for-1-75mm-Filament-Bowden-Extruder-Reprap-3D-Printer-/381131169456?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item58bd301eb0
[07:29:35] <just_pink> 11$
[07:30:00] <trentster> yeah I have a ton of spare 80/20 extrusion here, I was thinking of making a laser cutter or 3d printer with it
[07:30:47] <just_pink> laser i don't like. leave it to the pro..
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[07:30:52] <trentster> You seen this? http://www.ted.com/talks/joe_desimone_what_if_3d_printing_was_25x_faster
[07:30:56] <trentster> amazing
[07:31:48] <just_pink> my machine can go up to 10M /M
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[07:32:00] <just_pink> wayyy to fast
[07:38:07] <just_pink> I have Nema 23 stepper motor..
[07:38:26] <just_pink> maybe I can use it for the extruder.
[07:39:42] <trentster> just_pink: your enclosure pic you sent there, is that the cabinet you want to build?
[07:40:06] <trentster> its an odd shape for a enclosure - I assume its a cabinet?
[07:40:12] <just_pink> yes..
[07:40:27] <trentster> why 36 holes?
[07:40:43] <just_pink> I think I need more..
[07:42:30] <just_pink> 7 temp sensor, 5 motors 5 encoders, 1 main line, 1 main spindle, 1 stack light, 1 spindle light, any more...
[07:42:59] <just_pink> and many more*
[07:43:15] <just_pink> 5 limits
[07:43:23] <just_pink> probe
[07:43:36] <archivist> multiway connectors
[07:43:42] <just_pink> no!
[07:44:11] <just_pink> terminal blocks.
[07:46:09] <just_pink> archivist: there is no flexability in connectors..
[07:46:39] <archivist> sure there is, for instance I can swap axis motors over
[07:47:16] <just_pink> whay do i need to do it??
[07:48:03] <archivist> diagnosis when an axis fails
[07:48:36] <just_pink> I will take 4 wire out..
[07:48:49] <archivist> off to work...
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[08:36:27] <just_pink> those are the leftovers http://i.imgur.com/HLnypDh.jpg
[08:36:29] <just_pink> any idea?
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[09:21:39] <just_pink> micro
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[09:30:13] <XXCoder> lasers all way down
[09:31:30] <XXCoder> just_pink: leftovers after using stuff to build your machine?
[09:32:54] <just_pink> no..
[09:33:06] <just_pink> just junk that i've collect ovet the years..
[09:33:17] <XXCoder> oh
[09:33:18] <XXCoder> well
[09:33:26] <XXCoder> I see enough to make a basic cnc machine
[09:33:32] <XXCoder> maybe not enoygh controllers
[09:34:03] <just_pink> 3 steppers
[09:34:13] <just_pink> Nema 23
[09:34:28] <XXCoder> and what appears to be tiny and big spindle
[09:34:28] <just_pink> 1 big servo 1125 oz /in
[09:35:06] <just_pink> 1 sloooow dc motor 1:300 gear (the one that i'm holdeing)
[09:35:13] <just_pink> 1:3000*
[09:35:20] <XXCoder> dang
[09:35:20] <just_pink> and 1 G320x
[09:35:39] <XXCoder> yeah besides that very solow one, you can maqke basic cnc router
[09:35:42] <XXCoder> mill maybe
[09:35:57] <XXCoder> if you already has nice mill cnc you can even just make parts for it lol
[09:36:05] <just_pink> but i have nice milling machine..
[09:36:18] <XXCoder> router is good for 2d stuff
[09:36:23] <XXCoder> larger area
[09:36:48] <XXCoder> dont think it can pull off full 4'x8' work space one though lol
[09:36:49] <just_pink> I want to make 3d extruder for R8 tool holder.
[09:37:12] <XXCoder> cool. dont know much about printer :)
[09:37:19] <just_pink> me also..
[09:37:22] <just_pink> but!
[09:37:31] <just_pink> you just need few stuff
[09:37:43] <XXCoder> you has HUGE advange
[09:37:48] <XXCoder> you got mill to make stuff
[09:38:30] <XXCoder> if you got lathe thats added help, to make supported rods
[09:38:30] <just_pink> PID controller, extruder and heated bad
[09:38:36] <XXCoder> maybe not supporred
[09:39:30] <just_pink> so.. abour 100$ you can convert your cnc to 3d printer also..
[09:39:41] <XXCoder> dont think 3dprinter needs hefy supported rods lol
[09:39:57] <XXCoder> I got sbr20, 16, 12 kit I can evenually make into 3d printer
[09:40:07] <XXCoder> I rather have lasers but I dont wanna risk eyesight
[09:40:52] <just_pink> don't mess with lasers
[09:41:16] <just_pink> class D lasers can blind you also from reflections.
[09:41:39] <just_pink> small end mill.. and you rock
[09:41:42] <XXCoder> If I ever get laser it'll be small machine with proper covers
[09:42:07] <just_pink> I work with laser cutter
[09:42:17] <just_pink> dont like it at all
[09:42:35] <XXCoder> yeah?
[09:42:48] <just_pink> the burns edges and the smoke..
[09:43:20] <just_pink> and you have to supply compressed air
[09:43:38] <XXCoder> fun
[09:43:44] <just_pink> sometimes Argon or CO2
[09:43:50] <just_pink> not much..
[09:43:56] <XXCoder> I wonder if theres way to "live supply" pressured air
[09:44:04] <XXCoder> for work part blowing for example
[09:44:10] <XXCoder> so I dont need compressor tank
[09:45:33] <just_pink> screw or eccentric compressor or turbine
[09:45:48] <just_pink> the screw based is soo quite.
[09:46:04] <just_pink> the othes noisy
[09:46:09] <XXCoder> not bad, while I cant hear anything, neighbors can lol
[09:47:07] <just_pink> go with fridge compresorr that will work all the time with heat controller and pressure switch
[09:47:24] <just_pink> and very larg tank..
[09:47:57] <XXCoder> ok
[09:48:04] <just_pink> this way it will work ait will work nise for short times..
[09:48:12] <XXCoder> I will work with mainly wood
[09:48:18] <XXCoder> so most times it wont be needed
[09:48:30] <just_pink> hate it..
[09:48:33] <XXCoder> I do plan to build vacuum attachment though to clean it
[09:48:51] <just_pink> water jet much more nice.
[09:49:23] <XXCoder> yea heard many good stuff with it, and I was running big cnc router near one
[09:49:29] <XXCoder> so I checked it sometimes. nice.
[09:49:34] <XXCoder> so dirty though.
[09:49:54] <just_pink> or EDM
[09:50:09] <XXCoder> it was so dirty I almost can belive that if you pull it to parts, sandblasted, repainted it, and all is nice and shiny
[09:50:20] <just_pink> EDM is freaking awesome stuff
[09:50:25] <XXCoder> once last part is bolted on (but not water refilled) its dirty already lol
[09:50:45] <XXCoder> new one to me, edm
[09:51:13] <XXCoder> is it one that uses wire and electricity to cut?
[09:51:41] <just_pink> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_discharge_machining
[09:51:43] <just_pink> yes
[09:51:47] <just_pink> soo nice
[09:51:53] <just_pink> so acurate
[09:51:58] <XXCoder> my friend used one at college
[09:52:04] <XXCoder> pretty impressive
[09:52:13] <just_pink> and you can cut any metal even super aloys
[09:53:03] <just_pink> but you need a cnc with high speed spindle to make the electrodes from graphite
[09:53:34] <just_pink> sink EDM it's basiclly 1 axis machine..
[09:53:44] <just_pink> work like punch
[09:54:01] <XXCoder> 2d only I think? with offsets its closer to 2.5d like mill and router
[09:54:06] <XXCoder> though in different way
[09:54:29] <just_pink> yeh.. you dont have to fo all the way..
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[09:54:51] <just_pink> If you want to cut complex shape you need wire EDM..
[09:55:56] <XXCoder> fun
[09:56:17] <XXCoder> I'm still waiting for my spindle and power source for it :(
[09:56:26] <XXCoder> wish theres instant transportion lol
[09:57:21] <just_pink> I want to sleep
[09:57:31] <just_pink> soo borig to do the panel
[09:58:41] <just_pink> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRPmSgfIJqY
[10:01:50] <just_pink> It is just a coil!!
[10:01:53] <just_pink> WhaT
[10:02:01] <just_pink> I want to make it.
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[10:04:38] <XXCoder> looking
[10:05:09] <XXCoder> just_pink: dang
[10:05:25] <XXCoder> now thats dangerous lol wwrong touch and it grounds out
[10:05:41] <just_pink> it is sooo simple to make
[10:05:45] <just_pink> 12V 10A
[10:05:50] <just_pink> coil
[10:05:55] <just_pink> sring
[10:06:01] <XXCoder> kinda reminds me of discovery of how to make cheap aluminium
[10:06:11] <just_pink> how??
[10:06:16] <XXCoder> white powder + LOTS electricity = alum
[10:06:22] <just_pink> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxtg2nAIYw4
[10:06:36] <just_pink> white powder??????
[10:06:37] <XXCoder> did you know usa spire is capped with aluminium? it was valuable then
[10:06:49] <XXCoder> alum oxide oxide :) AlO2
[10:07:09] <just_pink> and what do you get it?
[10:07:46] <XXCoder> http://www.rocksandminerals.com/aluminum/process.htm
[10:08:32] <just_pink> the edm that thay show work with magnetic based, like the magnetic base dial indicator
[10:08:39] <XXCoder> 100,000A to 150000A
[10:08:43] <XXCoder> insane.
[10:08:54] <just_pink> yeh..
[10:09:14] <XXCoder> still cheaper than just trying to mine alum. most was in useless not metallic form
[10:09:38] <just_pink> but edm drill press can make fine hex hole and alot of nice stuff
[10:10:10] <just_pink> XXCoder: I have 4X3 foot plat 1/8" 2024-t3
[10:10:14] <just_pink> do you want some?
[10:10:34] <XXCoder> nah, thanks thoughg
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[10:12:12] <XXCoder> wow
[10:12:30] <XXCoder> if interrupted for 4 hours, it solidifies and need expensive repairs
[10:12:49] <XXCoder> I bet you they got in least 2 backup systems
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[11:12:54] <just_pink> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-R8-arbor-NBH2084-Boring-head-system-with-8pcs-20mm-indexable-holder-CNC-Milling-tool/32331705416.html
[11:13:55] <just_pink> someone know where i can get the arbor that show at the third pic?
[11:13:58] <just_pink> XXCoder: ?
[11:14:07] <XXCoder> looking
[11:14:22] <XXCoder> it displays model number
[11:14:27] <XXCoder> maybe a way to find it
[11:15:33] <just_pink> http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1U_uWIXXXXXbkXpXXq6xXFXXXA/New-R8-arbor-NBH2084-Boring-head-system-with-8pcs-20mm-indexable-holder-CNC-Milling-tool.jpg
[11:15:50] <just_pink> this ^
[11:16:38] <XXCoder> R8 NB2084
[11:17:04] <XXCoder> hmmnot good result
[11:17:28] <just_pink> yeh :(
[11:17:45] <XXCoder> maybe http://www.cart100.com/category/50021234/Boring_tool/?&p=23
[11:18:26] <XXCoder> that things dang expensive
[11:18:31] <just_pink> It's give me a-lot of stuff
[11:18:46] <just_pink> it suld be about 20-30$
[11:22:43] <just_pink> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/R8-boring-shank-for-F1-12-F1-18-F1-25-boring-head-Thread-of-draw-bar/32230054223.html
[11:22:46] <just_pink> 13$!
[11:23:01] <XXCoder> way to go on discovery
[11:23:18] <just_pink> 24.54 + shipping :(
[11:25:20] <XXCoder> cheaper than $500 shipped
[11:25:39] <just_pink> but I dont know hat it the thread on he G0704
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[11:27:07] <XXCoder> dunno too
[11:30:53] <just_pink> Drawbar Thread Size 7/16-20
[11:32:58] <herron_> often it is a case of making up extra drawbars for different threads
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[11:37:04] <just_pink> http://www.shars.com/r8-shank-1-1-2-18-threads-for-boring-head
[11:38:16] <just_pink> this is perfect but if it was with slightly larger faces it will best to mount stuff
[11:50:57] <XXCoder> night :) hopefully my stuff arrives tomorrow but not likely :P
[11:53:56] <just_pink> hope for you..
[11:53:58] <just_pink> https://www.grizzly.com/products/Spindle-Brake-Basic-for-G0704/T26361
[11:54:02] <just_pink> 89$ for scrap metal..
[11:56:44] <just_pink> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mini-Mill-Limit-Switch-Kit-for-G0704/T25442
[11:57:04] <just_pink> this is pure junk! for more than 300$
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[11:59:17] <greg___> pink don't you sleep?
[12:00:33] <just_pink> nuclear fusion...
[12:00:55] <just_pink> greg___: http://www.grizzly.com/products/Control-Pendant/T24257
[12:00:59] <just_pink> 300$ usb num pad
[12:01:48] <just_pink> http://www.grizzly.com/products/20A-Spindle-Relay-Box-with-10-Power-Cable/T24256
[12:02:04] <just_pink> $476.00 for contactor??
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[12:02:32] <just_pink> my ABB digital coil cost about 100$
[12:02:50] <just_pink> hi skunkworks
[12:02:56] <just_pink> look
[12:03:04] <just_pink> http://www.grizzly.com/products/20A-Spindle-Relay-Box-with-10-Power-Cable/T24256
[12:03:15] <just_pink> $476.00 for contactor
[12:03:42] <skunkworks> Good morning
[12:03:42] <greg___> wow, those prices are out of line
[12:04:42] <just_pink> good morning.
[12:05:10] <just_pink> someone is really smoke somthing in grizzly...
[12:06:31] <just_pink> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Mini-Mill-Retrofit-Kit-Pro-Series-Servo-for-G0704/T25440
[12:06:34] <just_pink> WOOOW
[12:06:44] <just_pink> $5,500.00
[12:06:54] <just_pink> and this is "SALE"
[12:07:01] <just_pink> WTF!
[12:07:42] <greg___> for people who want plug and play.
[12:07:58] <just_pink> you dont even get the ballscrew..
[12:08:02] <archivist_herron> play/pray
[12:08:20] <just_pink> so I can sell my machine for 20K easy..
[12:08:24] <greg___> sure plug and pray
[12:08:49] <just_pink> I will buy hass :)
[12:09:53] <greg___> I haven't looked at their site for years.
[12:09:56] <just_pink> look, 3 axis stepper motors+drivers and psu!
[12:09:57] <just_pink> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Benchtop-Retrofit-Kit-with-Stepper-Controls-and-Hardware/T24252
[12:10:01] <just_pink> 3K
[12:10:22] <just_pink> what is wrooong with them?
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[12:10:49] <greg___> flashcut isn't cheap, I think
[12:11:22] <just_pink> but all the other stuff very cheap.. (like tools, end mill, etc..)
[12:11:54] <greg___> chinese probably
[12:12:05] <just_pink> but with the conversion it will cost more than the tormach
[12:12:31] <greg___> yeah, but if the iron is already in your shop, some will choose this route
[12:12:57] <greg___> kids are up, BBL
[12:13:40] <just_pink> OK
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[12:34:24] <malcom2073> Heh, tabletop stuff is *expensive* because everyone has room for it
[12:37:27] <just_pink> I make my own conversion..
[12:37:36] <malcom2073> That's the way to do it, WAY cheaper
[12:37:56] <just_pink> and better...
[12:38:38] <just_pink> whan I plug the panel to the main line, I want an indicator
[12:38:46] <_methods> smoke?
[12:38:56] <_methods> usually a good indicator
[12:39:01] <malcom2073> heh
[12:39:11] <just_pink> panel indicator light..,,
[12:39:19] <_methods> oh that sounds safer
[12:39:21] <just_pink> but what it'smore correct?
[12:39:33] <just_pink> red or green?
[12:39:35] <_methods> which is more fun?
[12:40:04] <_methods> purple
[12:40:12] <just_pink> I think It should be red
[12:40:21] <_methods> blue
[12:40:40] <malcom2073> My lathe has an orange one for hot spindle control
[12:41:12] <just_pink> and after I'm thern on the main swich the red go off and green should be on.
[12:41:56] <_methods> http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/cannabis-may-help-treat-bone-fractures-study-115071700646_1.html
[12:41:59] <_methods> heheh
[12:42:05] <_methods> grandmas all over gonna be smokin weed now
[12:42:13] <just_pink> blue = mandatory
[12:42:18] <just_pink> red = stop
[12:42:34] <just_pink> green = good/work
[12:42:47] <_methods> magenta = lunch
[12:43:01] <just_pink> yellow/amber/orange = fail
[12:43:13] <malcom2073> What is a gap bed lathe for? Like, why would you remove the gap, just to get more throw for shallow pieces?
[12:43:21] <_methods> extra swing
[12:43:28] <_methods> yeah
[12:44:05] <malcom2073> My lathe I just picked up is a gap bed, just wondering
[12:44:18] <_methods> yeah it will buy you a few more inches usually
[12:44:22] <_methods> what'd you pick up?
[12:44:31] <_methods> now your dad can give me his 10ee
[12:44:32] <_methods> lol
[12:44:56] <malcom2073> He was actually going to replace his 10EE with this thing and sell the 10ee, but decided to sell it to me instead. Lemme find and upload pics, brb
[12:48:00] <archivist_herron> large faceplate in the gap too
[12:48:17] <_methods> that's what she said
[12:48:44] <archivist_herron> what the actress said to the bishop
[12:48:49] <_methods> heheh
[12:50:05] <malcom2073> heh
[12:50:31] <just_pink> I need a push button swich that not go deep
[12:50:46] <just_pink> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Safe-1pc-Red-Emergency-Stop-Switch-Flat-Momentar-Push-Button-22MM-1-NO-1NC-/171706194984?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27fa7c9c28
[12:50:50] <malcom2073> _methods: http://mikesshop.net/lathe/grizzly/
[12:50:55] <malcom2073> it's a rebranded G9242
[12:51:06] <_methods> ahh
[12:51:17] <_methods> that won't replace a 10ee lol
[12:51:30] <malcom2073> It will easily replace the stuff my dad does on his 10ee haha
[12:52:09] <archivist_herron> poor engine crane
[12:52:22] <just_pink> someone know where to fine or what is the name of it?
[12:52:32] <malcom2073> That engine crane is fine, we're a couple pounds shy of capacity
[12:52:35] <malcom2073> :P
[12:52:54] <malcom2073> just_pink: You want a button that doesn't sink in like that? Or doesn't sink in as far
[12:52:55] <malcom2073> ?
[12:52:57] <_methods> oooh corn
[12:53:06] <just_pink> to button that not sink into a cylinder..
[12:53:53] <malcom2073> Lol yes, I live in a cornfield
[12:53:53] <archivist_herron> I see the web was inside one end but outside the screw the other
[12:54:00] <just_pink> malcom2073: It's can break the nails
[12:54:11] <_methods> taht southbend is in good shape
[12:54:22] <malcom2073> _methods: it's for sale!
[12:54:24] <_methods> i'm perv'n your other albums
[12:54:38] <malcom2073> Lol np
[12:54:39] <_methods> i already got that atlas
[12:54:41] <malcom2073> also look at /mill
[12:54:53] <_methods> yeah i've seen that
[12:54:58] <_methods> you got the kondia right?
[12:55:09] <malcom2073> just_pink: Yeah you can get that style button that doesn't sink in, trying to remember how to search for it haha
[12:55:10] <malcom2073> _methods: yeah
[12:55:48] <just_pink> mmm I'm try also..
[12:56:44] <malcom2073> I know I always see buttons at machine yard sales and the like, no clue what they're actually called haha
[12:57:07] * archivist_herron explores the southbend too
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[12:57:51] <archivist_herron> I would keep it for the manual work
[12:58:02] <malcom2073> The g9242 is a manual lathe
[12:58:22] <malcom2073> And near new, I swear it's almost never been used. The southbend is well used heh
[12:59:09] <malcom2073> We were thinking of tearing out the leadscrew and putting in a ballscrew to cnc, but it's in such good condition, I'ma keep it manual and use it to learn machining, I'm fairly new
[12:59:39] <archivist_herron> my southebend is well worn too circa 1940s but can still do a reasonable job
[13:01:03] <just_pink> http://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/t/taiyo-yuden/lithium-ion-capacitors
[13:02:51] <just_pink> I've never know about that
[13:02:55] <just_pink> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/switches/programmable-display-switches/1115370?k=push%20button
[13:02:58] <just_pink> soo kool
[13:03:01] <just_pink> cool*
[13:03:12] <malcom2073> Haha fancy
[13:04:50] <just_pink> http://www.digikey.com/videos/en/vp/1646398617001?WT.pn_sku=360-2329-ND&WT.z_part_id=1948850&WT.z_video_source=Part_Detail
[13:06:10] <malcom2073> There was a PC keyboard made out of those
[13:06:13] <malcom2073> it was like $1200
[13:08:29] <just_pink> ask for sample :)
[13:08:40] <malcom2073> heh
[13:10:31] <just_pink> malcom2073 form Reynholm Industries..
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[14:18:52] <trentster> any fusion360 users here?
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[14:23:40] <norias> yes
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[14:27:40] <trentster> norias: just noticed when doing a round 2d contour e.g 10mm wide with a 6mm endmill on the second pass it changes direction. Do you know why it does this and how to change it?
[14:27:50] <archivist> I should get the bot to parse any xxx users here and get it to replay ask the real question
[14:28:08] <norias> trentster: so this is really a CAM question?
[14:28:28] <norias> I'd have to see the model to really answer this
[14:28:36] <norias> screenshot it
[14:29:07] <trentster> http://monosnap.com/image/aYcidJNq4hgTpddsppKNukB6xjcJfs
[14:29:43] <trentster> norias: yes a cam question
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[14:30:07] <trentster> archivist: was that comment for directed at me?
[14:30:09] <greg___> it's just cutting in the same direction
[14:30:22] <greg___> one is ouside the path the other inside
[14:30:47] <norias> that's the most reasonable thing I can see
[14:31:11] <greg___> so if you've chosen to climb on all passes it has to reverse direction to do that on the other side
[14:31:15] <trentster> greg___: so is that normal? the only comparison I have is to cambam which does not do that it steps over and then continues in the same direction
[14:31:24] <archivist> it is conventional milling in both cases
[14:31:33] <norias> did you ask it for multiple passes?
[14:31:41] <greg___> if you told it to do so yes, normal
[14:32:17] <archivist> conventional/clime will be an option in some cam programs
[14:32:17] <trentster> No, I had to select both bottom contour lines to get it to cut the correct width
[14:32:23] <trentster> screenshot coming
[14:32:25] <archivist> climb
[14:33:35] <greg___> you probably have a choice, climb, conventional or both. the software is just smart enough to know which side the material is on, it's working correctly
[14:33:37] <norias> you selected both lines, so it followed both
[14:33:43] <trentster> http://monosnap.com/image/Wu6HGmKMKGF9SoW1nCIk49qH8DerGd
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[14:33:55] <norias> it looks to me like it's climbing
[14:34:05] <trentster> yes its climbing
[14:34:05] <norias> yeah, see, two chains
[14:34:12] <norias> it's doing what you told it to do
[14:34:30] <trentster> So how would I get it to cut the full width with only 1 chain selected?
[14:34:46] <norias> you're doing "contour"
[14:34:49] <norias> which means, a line
[14:34:59] <norias> it doesn't think in widths in countour mode
[14:35:10] <norias> you'd have to do pocket, but that doesn't make sense for this
[14:35:19] <norias> how wide is that groove
[14:35:21] <greg___> that's the way I do it
[14:35:25] <trentster> norias: heh - yes I am sure its doing what I told it to do, I am sure in this instance the operator is the defective one ;-) who is trying to learn
[14:35:27] <norias> and how wide is the tool
[14:35:32] <trentster> 6mm
[14:35:37] <trentster> width is 10mm
[14:35:40] <greg___> why do you wan to change it?
[14:35:50] <norias> so, it'll overlap
[14:35:58] <archivist> it should change direction for best finish
[14:35:58] <norias> other than the entry / exit part here
[14:36:03] <norias> it looks fine to me
[14:36:14] <trentster> I don't specifically want to change it, just noticed the behaviour is different to cambam, which is what I have been using.
[14:36:24] <norias> well, cambam is probably terrible
[14:36:26] <norias> so
[14:36:29] <norias> :)
[14:36:39] <norias> this is reasonable behavior for CAM
[14:36:41] <greg___> videos of cambam baths look terrible to me
[14:36:44] <trentster> heh - yeah
[14:36:55] <greg___> not just reasonable but proper
[14:37:34] <norias> so, i feel i've learned
[14:37:39] <norias> that the real trick about CAM is
[14:37:45] <norias> knowing how to do it right by hand
[14:37:54] <norias> but being too lazy to write all those lines of g-code
[14:37:59] <greg___> what you saw with cambam results in climb milling on one side and conventional on the other
[14:38:00] <archivist> I have spoken to the cambam author, seems a nice person, but his machine did throw a cutter around his machine because he bit off more than he could
[14:38:22] <trentster> this is cambam in comparison
[14:38:23] <trentster> http://monosnap.com/image/bsOBU8tiF4DNCs12zfKEWUMPpgcQDb
[14:38:54] <trentster> I actually only have 1 polyline in cambam and just select it and tell it how wide to cut.
[14:39:00] <greg___> cambam is great, I'm sure, for the price.
[14:39:00] <trentster> different logic I guess
[14:39:07] <norias> you...
[14:39:15] <norias> you could get the same result here
[14:39:20] <norias> just select the inner profile
[14:39:29] <norias> and do it in two steps
[14:39:41] <norias> some of this depends on material, too
[14:39:54] <norias> no matter what that first cut is going to be a slotting operations
[14:40:04] <trentster> archivist: I really like fusion360 thats why I am putting in the time to learn it - cambam is ok to test out stuff but have not used it beyond the trial period
[14:40:10] <norias> so, it may make sense to go down the middle
[14:40:18] <norias> and clean up both sides of the slot
[14:40:25] <norias> material / tool etc
[14:40:28] <Tom_itx> yeah if you want it real accurate do the middle and clean up both sides
[14:40:32] <greg___> right, slot then finissh the sides
[14:40:42] <norias> but if it's plastic and not critical
[14:40:45] <norias> etc...
[14:40:50] <trentster> ok, let me figure out how to do that
[14:40:54] <greg___> do ti anyway
[14:41:04] <norias> time
[14:41:15] <norias> eh.
[14:41:16] <trentster> in this case its wood, but I mainly am machining aluminium. This is just a lid for cyclone extractor I made
[14:41:20] <greg___> what time?
[14:42:21] <trentster> norias: can you show me a screenshot of how to specify down the middle then do the sides?
[14:42:34] <greg___> saving time comes after you know what to expect from your CAM. then you can avoid cutting air.
[14:43:45] <norias> fair
[14:43:58] <Tom_itx> you would cut 2mm per side, not air
[14:44:08] <greg___> I'd pick one edge and leave enough stock to put the cutter near the middle
[14:44:29] <greg___> then profile each edge
[14:45:07] <greg___> OK, so you save one pass if finish truly doesn't matter
[14:45:33] <norias> i mean, it's going down the rabbit hole, i recognize
[14:45:42] <norias> but, yeah, save a pass
[14:45:48] <norias> put it in the bank
[14:45:50] <norias> invest it
[14:45:52] <norias> might pay off
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[14:46:06] <norias> also, work hardening materials
[14:46:07] <trentster> ok - thanks for all the suggestions - time to crack knuckles and get testing.
[14:46:09] <norias> but not this case
[14:46:15] <Tom_itx> if you're worried about time use a 10mm bit
[14:46:28] <norias> amen
[14:46:56] <trentster> I aint worried about time, plus I dont own a 10mm bit, my spindle is er11 - max 1/4 inch
[14:47:50] <greg___> for wood I'd just run a sinlge pass one each edge. I think metal 99% of the time
[14:48:41] <norias> dang
[14:48:45] <norias> i'm odd, i know this
[14:48:53] <norias> but i get disappointed when musicians i enjoy
[14:48:59] <norias> cuss in their lyrics
[14:49:07] <trentster> greg___: thanks for the tip, it makes sense to do the pass down the middle and then finish off each side, I suppose there is less chance of bit deflection that way.
[14:49:30] <trentster> when machining metal I mean
[14:49:39] <norias> pros and cons
[14:49:50] <norias> if you don't leave enough stock to clean up
[14:49:52] <greg___> well it gives you the same width of cut for subsequent passes, all depends on what your machine can actually handle.
[14:49:56] <norias> some tooling doesn't like it
[14:50:28] <norias> i've had tooling that cut like crap at .005" width of cut
[14:50:42] <norias> but was dead on with .200"
[14:50:59] <Tom_itx> even at different feed / speed?
[14:51:12] <Tom_itx> you may have found it's harmonic
[14:51:18] <norias> good point, but, yeah... largely
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[14:51:46] <norias> no, some tooling really seems to have a min. doc
[14:51:53] <norias> er, woc
[14:52:01] <norias> whatever term you want to use
[14:52:04] <Tom_itx> cheap shit does
[14:52:10] <greg___> insert mills?
[14:52:10] <norias> lol
[14:52:24] <norias> think about the edge dressing on some inserts
[14:52:38] <norias> that's going to effectively dictate a min. depth of cut
[14:52:54] <norias> it'd be basically... off the top of my head
[14:52:56] <greg___> right, more edge radius means you needs more depth
[14:53:10] <norias> the edge and angle of attack
[14:53:37] <greg___> right, but that's why the supplier has specs
[14:53:43] <norias> deforms but doesn't fail the material
[14:55:43] <_methods> you always need to take at least the radius of the insert in cut depth and width
[14:55:56] <archivist> dont forget machine flex and endmill bending due to cutting force, reasons why you dont take it all out in one
[14:56:28] <norias> archivist: i disagree. you can, just gotta know what you're doing
[14:56:41] <norias> but i see the common error in the learning phases
[14:56:51] <norias> of assuming there isn't a minimum cut width
[14:57:23] <norias> and assuming that if the tool cuts on at a roughing cut
[14:57:31] <archivist> you cannot get the highest accuracy full width
[14:57:34] <norias> that the finish cut is going to be right on
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[15:00:02] <greg___> _methods which radius
[15:00:14] <Tom_itx> for sake of argument i agree with archivist however we're looking at a wood lid here
[15:01:34] <archivist> worst problem is clogging the tool with wood
[15:01:36] <Tom_itx> and if you put it on a cmm chances are good you would see a change in the 4 quadrants
[15:04:30] <greg___> making good parts means knowing how to meet the tolerances specified.
[15:06:38] <archivist> those +-0 tolerances are "interesting"
[15:07:03] <archivist> used to tell a certain person off for that habit
[15:07:24] <greg___> trentster are you putting a dust deputy on that?
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[15:16:12] <FinboySlick> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXQo7nURs0 <--- blown away.
[15:16:27] <FinboySlick> It's so simple and beautiful.
[15:17:07] * archivist reboots firefox to watch that
[15:17:37] <FinboySlick> archivist: It's nothing quite new.
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[15:23:16] <archivist> FinboySlick, been searching ebay last couple of days for ikea shelves, run out of space error
[15:26:53] <greg___> I'd like to move for the same reason
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[15:38:53] <Loetmichel> archivist: thats what woodworking macheines are for ;)
[15:39:19] <archivist> !....effort
[15:39:42] <Loetmichel> but fit to riom ;)
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[15:39:55] <archivist> just need a hammer with ikea
[15:40:37] <tjtr33> fenn hello this is Tom Powderly from the Mazak retrofit way back. good to hear from you
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[15:42:30] <archivist> Loetmichel, I have some walls with homebrew shelves but they tend to be less useful than the free standing bookcases
[15:43:06] <archivist> Loetmichel, a map for a room http://www.collection.archivist.info/shelfview.php?src=artitle&locid=595
[15:45:06] <tjtr33> justpink heres a bigass edm, just left Canada doing this http://imagebin.ca/v/28xO3hwHNTm4 http://imagebin.ca/v/28xNkyUJF9M0
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[15:45:30] <tjtr33> 300 amps 2.5meters in X travel all automotive molds
[15:47:12] <archivist> those large blocks look useful
[15:48:01] <tjtr33> 2-4-6s someplaces have 1-2-3s that are 1ft 2ft 3ft :)
[15:48:15] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: when you traveled to Canada did you bring tools or use theirs?
[15:48:34] <tjtr33> oh yeah well talk about that in public ;)
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[15:48:48] <CaptHindsight> heh
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[15:51:39] <tjtr33> off to do laundry, bye
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[15:55:25] <CaptHindsight> http://blog.upverter.com/post/109594392482 "This morning, our community has publicly shared over 32,000 open source hardware designs with the world."
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[15:58:47] <CaptHindsight> reminds me of the Electronics Book Club in the 70's that featured titles such as "1001 Schematics" some useful
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[16:06:48] <archivist> looks like you have to join something to actually get anything
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[16:22:27] <CaptHindsight> https://upverter.com/awkimballjr/2a1b57e3dddacb91/GetDibs/ I click on one of the first designs and all the files seem to be there
[16:22:53] <Loetmichel> meh, DHL again. bought a used laptop from a big leasing-reseller. today the tracking said "delivered"... no yellow truck at the company all day. Called them: Oh, thas an error from the delivery guy. i can se he sent it back because of "insufficient packaging"...
[16:23:30] <pcw_home> sounds like they tenderized it...
[16:23:44] <Loetmichel> nice one... thats a big company. they send the latops in big triple wave corruigated boxes with loads of bubblewrap inside... how did they manage to damage THAT?
[16:24:08] <CaptHindsight> so DHL has poor service even Germany? they used to be so good
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[16:24:36] <pcw_home> Weve had stuff from Fedex that looks like it was dropped 6 feet onto concrete
[16:25:05] <pcw_home> Isnt DHL a Fedex subsidiary now?
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[16:26:26] <pcw_home> They are taking package damage classes from Fedex
[16:27:18] <tjtr33> hah the dhl delivery in CA took a week to 'clear customs' . well my mind makes up reasons when i dont really know what happened.
[16:27:57] <roycroft> it seems there is a significant amount of discussion on this channel about carriers damaging parcels
[16:27:57] <CaptHindsight> international customs is like a magic-8 ball
[16:28:06] <pcw_home> Why are there so many customs problems between CA and US? its always a problem
[16:28:12] <roycroft> i receive quite a few parcels personally, and we receive several per day at the office
[16:28:26] <roycroft> and i cannot recall the last time i or the office received anything that was damaged by the carrier
[16:28:46] <pcw_home> I sure can
[16:28:50] <roycroft> we use usps, dhl, ups, fedex, and freight companies
[16:28:50] <CaptHindsight> I've sent 2 identical packages to two different cities and see completely different behaviors
[16:29:18] <CaptHindsight> one gets taxed and delayed 3 weeks, the other shows up no tax in 6 days
[16:29:19] <tjtr33> i arrived on time and worked on other crap while waiting. it was supoosed to be Mon mornn, but it was Fri nite 5pm delivered. THEN i got to start
[16:29:38] <roycroft> i've seen delays more often than i would like, but damage is extremely rare
[16:30:23] <pcw_home> Not rare enough, we see significant damage about once a month
[16:30:30] <tjtr33> well I built the crate, they'd really have to be obviously mean to damage my goods
[16:30:46] <CaptHindsight> I've had parcles damaged so bad they didn't even return them, just immediately notified me that it was covered by insurance and my claim was already processed
[16:30:53] <Loetmichel> the company i work for once sent 2 24 pin rugged printers (30+g shockproof) to a customer via UPS
[16:31:35] <Loetmichel> the managed ot damage BOTH printers, 2mm thick aluminium enclosure toirsioned beyond repair... and inside the printer chassis broken in severy places
[16:31:57] <pcw_home> so much so the we dont ship kits or assembled board lots by Fedex or UPS anymore,
[16:31:59] <pcw_home> just too likely to have 50 out of 500 boards ruined by being dropped from high altitude
[16:32:08] <skunkworks> we have pretty good luck with shipments too.. (and we buy a lot of monitors and such)
[16:32:13] <Loetmichel> the very well bubblewrapped printers were a total writeoff... and the packing boxed hadnt as much as a scratch
[16:32:22] <roycroft> it would be intersting to embed ruggidized "body cams" with long battery life, lots of memory, and motion-activation in parcels and document their handling
[16:32:36] <Loetmichel> the must have fallen out of the loading door of a 747 or something, exactly parallel on one side of the package
[16:32:47] <CaptHindsight> roycroft: there are some youtube vids of that
[16:33:02] <roycroft> i should have assumed so, capthindsight
[16:33:14] <roycroft> there are youtube videos of almost everything, including things that do not exist
[16:33:15] <pcw_home> Thats the kind of thing we have seen (or fallen off a high conveyor belt)
[16:33:18] <archivist> I remember watching the youtube loader vid that did the rounds
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[16:37:21] <furrywolf> I got an air compressor shipped UPS that had been driven over. complete with a truck tire tread marks.
[16:37:40] <furrywolf> the compressor itself survived, but all accessories (motor capacitor, popoff valve, etc) smashed flat.
[16:38:24] <furrywolf> I've watched UPS unload their plane by simply pushing stuff out the cargo door. I've also watched them unload a truck the same way. seems to be standard practice.
[16:38:43] <archivist> furrywolf, have you had the training to damage stuff :)
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[16:39:19] <furrywolf> no. I work for a responsible company. We deliver things NOT broken.
[16:39:46] <archivist> delivery I did this morning, the customer wanted us to put it over a wall!
[16:39:53] <Loetmichel> furrywolf: that still exists?
[16:40:16] <archivist> we escaped leaving it undamaged and this side of the wall
[16:40:20] <Loetmichel> i thought there were only "got you money, dont care about your stuff" companys out there
[16:44:22] <furrywolf> UPS seems to be trying hard to lose something I ordered last week... so far it was "We left the package in our facility. This may cause a delay. We will deliver as quickly as possible. " for a while, now it's in transit but hasn't updated for three days...
[16:44:41] <CaptHindsight> odd : Anyone can fork open source designs to experiment on their own with a free community edition account, or join our 14-day trial for commercial use.
[16:45:10] <tjtr33> ? that upverter thing?
[16:45:24] <CaptHindsight> yeah, commercial use of what? the open design files?
[16:45:45] <_methods> fork that
[16:45:57] <CaptHindsight> https://upverter.com/pricing/
[16:46:16] <CaptHindsight> they have a crappy web editor that you can pay to use
[16:46:32] <furrywolf> I really should stick to my policy of never ordering from anywhere that ships UPS. but it's hard, because like this place, they often just say "Standard shipping" or such crap, without specifying they're going to ship it UPS.
[16:47:49] <_methods> i think i'll just stick to kicad or eagle
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[16:50:08] <tjtr33> Orcad on DosBox :)
[16:50:13] <furrywolf> To quote the shipping policy of the place I ordered from... "Your item may ship UPS Ground, Smartpost, FedEx or USPS regardless of the method displayed during your checkout. "
[16:50:38] <roycroft> ups delivers to me on time and without incident almost every time
[16:50:47] <roycroft> i must live in a different world than some folks here
[16:50:53] <furrywolf> how the hell can you avoid UPS when places will ship UPS even after they tell you they're shipping USPS?!
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[16:51:21] <tjtr33> haha there was a diner up in Michigan. The Little Red Lunchbox. motto was ' Order what you like, eat what you get"
[16:51:40] <tjtr33> they only had 1 thing on menu any day
[16:52:31] <archivist> the leftovers from the day before!
[16:53:17] <furrywolf> there used to be an indian restaurant here where the owner/chef liked experimenting... since he knew I liked a variety of foods, sometimes I'd walk in, and rather than getting a menu, he'd walk out with a plate and go "Today you try this!".
[16:55:08] <tjtr33> like dave lister from red dwarf, anything vindaloo
[16:55:36] <furrywolf> suicide hot, fire extinguisher on standby?
[16:56:05] <furrywolf> the best of the unexpected dishes was goat leg curry, on the leg...
[16:56:18] <furrywolf> the owner was pakistani, so he'd also make beef dishes, which I like.
[16:57:21] <furrywolf> not on the menu, but he'd make them randomly, and for himself.
[17:00:06] <furrywolf> I miss that place. :(
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[17:01:19] <furrywolf> the owner had to go back to pakistan to marry off his kids, and said he'd probably stay there... sold his restaurant and I haven't seen him since. the new owners sucked, the food was crap, then they sold it again, to owners that sucked, and made crap food, then they sold it again, and thew new food is mediocre at best...
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[17:28:19] <CaptHindsight> driver was told to keep an eye on this box https://youtu.be/lM3SRG7D21Y?t=1m37s
[17:32:07] <_methods> lol
[17:32:17] <_methods> now that's how you make a delivery
[17:34:02] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8nDz3jRKSo
[17:34:08] <_methods> that guy had a special package
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[17:36:36] <archivist> stuff from hong kong and china arrive in better condition
[17:37:21] <_methods> indeed
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[17:37:32] <archivist> still waiting on a part from china......
[17:37:43] <_methods> patience is a virtue lol
[17:38:20] <_methods> you never know when you'll be surprised by a delivery from china
[17:38:23] <archivist> grrrrrr Estimated delivery Tue, 21 Jul - Thu, 06 Aug
[17:38:25] <_methods> makes it exciting to come home lol
[17:38:27] <archivist> :)
[17:38:49] <_methods> i order stuff and totally forget i ordered it
[17:38:56] <_methods> then boom xmas in june
[17:39:38] <archivist> all the other bits for this dream have arrived....
[17:40:30] <archivist> so what over travel should I design into a probe
[17:40:46] <archivist> and contact pressure
[17:41:34] <archivist> sensing will not be contacts but http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191363861738
[17:42:58] <_methods> http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/07/16/18/29/firefighters-battling-massive-blaze-following-chinese-petrochemical-plant-explosion
[17:43:07] <_methods> that looks like fun
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[17:49:33] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1123481999/remix-mini-the-worlds-first-true-android-pc?ref=category
[17:49:41] <_methods> oh lord
[17:49:44] <CaptHindsight> another allwinner ARM PC
[17:50:14] <_methods> first true android pc lol
[17:51:07] <CaptHindsight> someone pointed it out to me yesterday, the resizeable windows in Android might be the only new thing about it
[17:51:21] <CaptHindsight> but then someone said that feature is in v5
[17:51:28] <_methods> looks like any other a53
[17:51:35] <_methods> just in a black case lol
[17:52:25] <CaptHindsight> and weren't there USB dongle sized ARM PC a couple of years ago for ~$30
[17:52:33] <_methods> yeah there still are
[17:52:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dealsmachine.com/best_105947.html?currency=USD&gclid=CLXeq8-U4cYCFZU2aQodaDUA2g
[17:52:59] <_methods> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Henscoqi-2015-New-I68-TV-Box-RK3368-Octa-Core-64Bit-Cortex-A53-Android-5-1-1GB/32402154387.html
[17:53:32] <_methods> with a tv recvr lol
[17:54:03] <CaptHindsight> ok so the one on Kickstarter is just lower cost or the accessories are extra
[17:54:16] <_methods> yeah
[17:54:37] <CaptHindsight> like the $9 arm module that cost $35 if you want it to do anything
[17:57:09] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ilumi/the-new-ilumi-a-better-smartbulb?ref=category_recommended bluetooth led bulb
[17:57:47] <_methods> smart bags
[17:57:52] <CaptHindsight> bike helmet with brake and turn signals... wow
[17:58:27] <CaptHindsight> I can't look anymore
[17:58:38] <_methods> yeah
[17:58:45] <_methods> i can only handle so much kickstarter
[17:58:56] <_methods> especially with donald trump at #1 for gop right now
[17:59:04] <_methods> my brain can only handle so much
[17:59:20] <archivist> all the crackpot ideas now have a funding avenue
[17:59:27] <_methods> i keep waiting for the water guys to show up and replace all our coolers with brawndo
[18:00:23] <CaptHindsight> but it's got electrolytes
[18:00:29] <_methods> heheh
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[18:17:30] <greg___> lols i've not heard of brawndo before ahd to look it up
[18:22:30] <CaptHindsight> you have to watch the movie
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[18:32:46] <Tom_itx> elmer fudd for pres
[18:37:41] <_methods> brawndo it's got what plants crave lol
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[19:33:40] <os1r1s> _methods: +1
[19:40:51] <_methods> hehe
[19:41:01] <_methods> love that movie
[19:42:24] <os1r1s> _methods: I just watched that again about 3 weeks back
[19:42:31] <os1r1s> _methods: Its great amusement
[19:42:58] <_methods> until they show up at your work to install the brawndo machines lol
[19:43:25] <os1r1s> But it has electrolytes.
[19:43:31] <_methods> hehe
[19:43:34] <CaptHindsight> _methods: http://www.themarysue.com/brawndo-drinking-fountain-idiocracy/
[19:43:36] <os1r1s> Its what plants crave
[19:43:41] <_methods> yeah i saw that fountain
[19:43:47] <_methods> i need to make one of those
[19:43:58] <os1r1s> CaptHindsight: That's funny
[19:44:08] <CaptHindsight> Brawndo ____ Toilet Water
[19:44:29] <_methods> you mean like water out of a toilet?
[19:52:41] <XXCoder> tiolet water
[19:52:43] <XXCoder> heh
[19:52:51] <XXCoder> that movie was funny
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[19:55:35] <CaptHindsight> I'd really like to see the first or a directors cut of that since the studio killed the film
[19:56:24] <CaptHindsight> I read that they also cut lots of scenes and heavily edited it to tone it down
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[19:59:43] <XXCoder> interesting
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[20:07:06] <_methods> isn't there an uncut version?
[20:07:39] <XXCoder> longer, bigger and uncut
[20:07:47] <XXCoder> maybe? heh
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[20:09:21] <_methods> i'm not usually into prophecy movies but i love idiocracy lol
[20:10:51] <XXCoder> "South Park: All Hell Breaks Loose." was orginial title for South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut. Sadly censors didnt approve of former and didnt realize latter is worse LOL
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[21:02:51] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:19:47] <PetefromTn_> I must say that the GOOD anodized parts I was able to do looked really good.....the finish they got at the pro anodizing shop was freaking amazing!! LOL
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[21:20:48] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: making progress eh :)
[21:20:55] <PetefromTn_> Nope
[21:21:04] <PetefromTn_> parts are done and shipped!!
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[21:21:13] <XXCoder> way to go!
[21:21:28] <XXCoder> im STILL waiting for my spindle lol
[21:21:29] <PetefromTn_> and I was amazed at how PRO they looked when I picked them up from the anodizers shop
[21:21:51] <PetefromTn_> it sure was nice to see my own parts looking awesome and clean and smooth and BLACK.
[21:21:54] <XXCoder> bit confused
[21:22:03] <PetefromTn_> Hopefully the customer feels the same way.
[21:22:13] <XXCoder> isnt you anodize em? or was it a failure so you dropped it off there?
[21:22:15] <CaptHindsight> how many spots were touched up with a magic marker?
[21:22:25] <PetefromTn_> heh
[21:22:31] <PetefromTn_> they looked REALLY good man
[21:22:32] <XXCoder> lol
[21:22:42] <XXCoder> with magic marker? ;)
[21:22:47] <PetefromTn_> I must say those guys are good
[21:23:00] <PetefromTn_> If I had more time I am sure I could have gotten them all done myself
[21:23:08] <PetefromTn_> but I just simply ran out of time
[21:23:13] <CaptHindsight> yes, they touch up small marks in black anodize with a black marker
[21:23:35] <PetefromTn_> and with the little issues I was having I did not have time to mess with it
[21:23:50] <XXCoder> I guess can learn with scrap
[21:23:52] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I am quite pleased I did get them done professionally because now I have a resource
[21:24:12] <XXCoder> so next time can do yourself and cheaper
[21:24:21] <PetefromTn_> their price was not too terrible even considering they had to FIX my bad ones
[21:25:00] <PetefromTn_> they even packed them up nicely individually and boxed them up for me so I just had to check them out and put the hardware in the package and tape it up.
[21:25:03] <XXCoder> in end its better to deliver in time than be late and perfect by yourself
[21:25:12] <PetefromTn_> exactly
[21:25:39] <PetefromTn_> as I said I wil STILL be messing with the anodizing and now I have a way to do that which I did not before
[21:25:55] <PetefromTn_> and for small number jobs or custom stuff I will play with it here.
[21:26:09] <PetefromTn_> anything more than say 30 parts and it is going to knoxvegas for sure.
[21:26:27] <PetefromTn_> they saved my bacon!
[21:26:43] <XXCoder> dammit!
[21:26:52] <XXCoder> aliexpress login is broken
[21:27:22] <XXCoder> they dont know concept of testing with different browsers.
[21:27:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/c399/ Tactical Canned Bacon
[21:27:30] <XXCoder> and apparently test server
[21:27:59] <XXCoder> yay my power supply is arriving tomorrow
[21:27:59] <PetefromTn_> NEED MORE BACON!!
[21:28:12] <XXCoder> dunno on spindle because site no worky!
[21:28:42] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: https://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT
[21:29:15] <XXCoder> ?
[21:32:03] <XXCoder> oh wtf
[21:32:08] <XXCoder> complant has working login!
[21:34:14] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH3jWBnBmZo Rotary Broaches are really cool
[21:35:03] <XXCoder> used complant login to find out whats up. been shipped but no info since 14th
[21:35:17] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: heard its nice way to make complex shape
[21:35:24] <XXCoder> with inside sharp corners even
[21:35:35] <XXCoder> I guess its REALLY loud
[21:35:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah they had some at the shop I used to work in...
[21:35:44] <PetefromTn_> meh not really
[21:36:12] <PetefromTn_> there is a nice one for sale on a local machinist forum but it is 580 bucks and I am broke LOL
[21:36:37] <XXCoder> saw support block shift at end
[21:36:41] <XXCoder> I guess it hit it lol
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[21:36:51] <_methods> yeah i'm always lookin at auctions for rotary broach sets
[21:36:58] <_methods> a lot of people don't know what they are
[21:37:38] <_methods> keep hopin i'll find one crammed in a box of junk overlooked
[21:38:33] <XXCoder> https://youtu.be/L5AzbDJ7KYI not bad intro but scales is bit weird lol
[21:38:46] <_methods> well time to go get some margaritas
[21:38:57] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n1r5XfVkyk no special equipment
[21:39:30] <PetefromTn_> Mmmmm Margaritas
[21:39:36] <_methods> hell yeah
[21:39:43] <_methods> carnitas and margaritas
[21:40:03] <PetefromTn_> you're making me hungry man.....and thirsty!
[21:40:09] <_methods> hahah
[21:40:15] <XXCoder> bah already hungry
[21:40:18] <XXCoder> ya making it worse lol
[21:40:49] <PetefromTn_> I wish I had time to take those parts home and do a nice photo shoot but they were already late.
[21:40:57] <PetefromTn_> they sure looked cool tho ;)
[21:43:04] <XXCoder> whaa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnGBdEZA6wA
[21:43:08] <XXCoder> what the heck
[21:43:18] <XXCoder> its captioned
[21:46:26] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/pzgptOJ.jpg
[21:46:30] <zeeshan> i wonder if the setup will hold
[21:46:30] <zeeshan> :D
[21:46:36] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/pzgptOJ.jpg
[21:46:44] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/eywgHM3.jpg
[21:46:47] <XXCoder> what need to be done?
[21:47:09] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/JZh7QHl.jpg
[21:47:10] <zeeshan> that
[21:47:29] <XXCoder> oh dunno. I see it's still in vertical mode
[21:49:59] <XXCoder> any of you guys use press to make holes?
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[21:50:13] <zeeshan> all the time!
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[21:50:41] <XXCoder> lol ok. just saw video tjat uses 100 ton press
[21:50:47] <XXCoder> he made it for just $100
[21:51:08] <zeeshan> i wouldn't watch that idiot
[21:51:16] <zeeshan> aka arduinovsevil
[21:51:20] <XXCoder> not as insane as that 1,000 ton press lol
[21:51:43] <XXCoder> that ones for sale for few million if you want one LOL
[21:51:54] <XXCoder> Ave yeah
[21:52:01] <XXCoder> he uses gloves with lathe
[21:52:07] <XXCoder> and long sleeves
[21:52:09] <XXCoder> crazy
[21:52:53] <zeeshan> :D
[21:53:08] <XXCoder> I rather lose a finger than arm or life
[21:54:25] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uIF_NIJN5g I wanted to do this
[21:55:46] <XXCoder> LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIRTcmR6sSk
[22:00:32] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQN7EqGMTuo much nicer... and captioned
[22:01:59] <zeeshan> i really like that flower pot furnace
[22:04:53] <XXCoder> yeah
[22:05:04] <XXCoder> I like other one more - one made by thefordboy
[22:05:16] <XXCoder> well gonna go out do stuff
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[22:14:02] <justpink> hi
[22:15:51] <justpink> someone here have some experience with graphite machining ?
[22:18:51] <Tom_itx> graphite is a lubricant
[22:19:19] <justpink> I know..
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[22:20:47] <justpink> what the rpm and the feed rate for it?
[22:21:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.semcocarbon.com/semco-carbon-blog/five-keys-to-success-when-machining-graphite
[22:23:12] <Tom_itx> Machining graphite on a CNC machine that has not been specifically modified to handle the graphite dust can lead to expensive damage and potentially void a warranty.
[22:30:32] <justpink> I'm using graphite dust on the rails
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[23:03:56] <JT-Shop> dang installing this servo drive was made so painful by lack of communication it ain't funny
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[23:13:47] <JT-Shop> they converted the old drive program to the new drive but used the old motor parameters... an 8 pole motor don't like being treated like a 6 pole motor
[23:18:13] <justpink> hi
[23:18:47] <justpink> someone know how about let housing that fit on a panel?
[23:19:21] <justpink> LED*
[23:19:56] <justpink> I want somting that I can put my own LED and it has a way to keep the legs from bending
[23:21:31] <XXCoder> justpink: wild guess some high rpm
[23:21:51] <justpink> 40-60K..
[23:22:14] <justpink> you know abot the LED thing?
[23:22:41] <XXCoder> I know theres few stuff that secures led in housing that can then be bolted on
[23:23:14] <XXCoder> is that what you mean?
[23:23:30] <XXCoder> http://assmann.us/images/A-LED8-1AAAS-MR7-1-R.jpg
[23:24:14] <justpink> XXCoder: yes, this is what I mean.. but i want some securty for the pins.
[23:24:31] <XXCoder> wouldnt pins be inside?
[23:24:37] <XXCoder> not sure what you mean by security
[23:25:57] <justpink> just to make it more resistant to bending..
[23:26:27] <XXCoder> I guess you can always use strain relief before that thing
[23:28:11] <justpink> I cant use the LEDs that alraty come with the housing because i need it to 5, 12, 24, 72, 110 volts
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[23:28:32] <justpink> and they come only for 12V
[23:28:49] <justpink> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-22mm-AC-DC-12V-Mixed-5-Color-Red-Green-Blue-Yellow-White-LED-Indicator-Light/130869736819?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D32297%26meid%3D729df237d59d49549620f53dc7424a25%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D271854780243
[23:28:51] <XXCoder> I suppose you can build em?
[23:29:45] <justpink> em?
[23:30:08] <XXCoder> lazy way to say them
[23:30:22] <JT-Shop> lol
[23:32:04] <justpink> nice..
[23:33:54] <justpink> I need the oled buttones
[23:34:12] <XXCoder> display type or?
[23:34:25] <XXCoder> because I remember that keyboard that has displays each button lol
[23:34:36] <XXCoder> and later version that has eink screens each keyboard
[23:34:39] <XXCoder> button
[23:35:09] <justpink> http://www.digikey.com/videos/en/vp/1646398617001?WT.pn_sku=360-2329-ND&WT.z_part_id=1948850&WT.z_video_source=Part_Detail
[23:36:07] <XXCoder> drat
[23:36:14] <justpink> I will need just 19 of them..
[23:36:16] <XXCoder> flash is disabled, I dont plan to enable it
[23:36:30] <justpink> why>
[23:36:32] <justpink> ??
[23:36:42] <XXCoder> exploits keeps chopping up
[23:36:46] <XXCoder> flash is so hackable
[23:37:13] <XXCoder> thankfully youtube has html5 support
[23:37:26] <justpink> It's digikey...
[23:38:05] <justpink> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/optoelectronics/display-modules-lcd-oled-graphic/524918?k=oled%20|%20smartdisplay&vendor=360
[23:38:11] <justpink> just photos..
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[23:39:08] <XXCoder> small displays interesting
[23:39:21] <XXCoder> do you configure linuxcnc to use em or?
[23:39:37] <XXCoder> dang so expensive
[23:39:40] <justpink> I don't know..
[23:40:11] <justpink> just 834 for the high res one..
[23:40:17] <justpink> 83$*
[23:40:28] <XXCoder> its cheaper to buy nook replacement screen and hak it to show all 9 info
[23:41:24] <XXCoder> http://essentialscrap.com/eink/
[23:42:30] <justpink> very nice!!
[23:42:47] <XXCoder> wont work if speed is important though
[23:43:27] <justpink> it is.important..
[23:43:40] <XXCoder> what fps do you think you need?
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[23:43:45] <justpink> and I'm really need red and green indicators..
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[23:45:42] <XXCoder> regular lcd screen is still cheaper
[23:45:53] <XXCoder> because dang 9 * $86
[23:46:02] <XXCoder> thats over 700
[23:46:27] <XXCoder> or close to total I spent on my cnc router, including stuff that turned out to be useless
[23:47:25] <justpink> I need just 19..
[23:47:37] <XXCoder> 19 * $86?
[23:47:42] <justpink> 83
[23:47:54] <XXCoder> yeah still very big number :)
[23:48:01] <justpink> 1577
[23:48:40] <XXCoder> honestly best way is just one standard lcd montior
[23:48:42] <justpink> I can buy one more G0704 +
[23:48:53] <XXCoder> and leds for that important indictors
[23:49:11] <justpink> or to go with the oled for the arduino..
[23:49:30] <justpink> they cost about 5$
[23:50:13] <XXCoder> yeah seems to be better option
[23:50:40] <XXCoder> theres software to use old nook simple touch as montior for arduino lol
[23:50:42] <justpink> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-0-96-IIC-I2C-Serial-128x64-OLED-LCD-LED-Display-Module-Fr-Arduino-STM32-51-/141418458253?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20ed326c8d
[23:51:06] <XXCoder> wow nice
[23:51:17] <XXCoder> lots fun possibilities there
[23:51:28] <XXCoder> too bad im not very good with soldering and hardware
[23:51:34] <justpink> thist thing with nano + Push button + = less than 10$
[23:51:53] <justpink> it's very easy..
[23:52:11] <justpink> I'm with very long nails can do it very easy..
[23:52:26] <justpink> I'm shure you can do it...
[23:52:46] <XXCoder> guess so just need real use before buy :)
[23:52:49] <justpink> I have the radio shack gas power soldering iron.
[23:53:07] <justpink> and It's work just fine,,
[23:54:23] <XXCoder> yeah I has butine gas solder
[23:54:27] <XXCoder> pretty nice
[23:54:31] <XXCoder> if bit hard to start lo
[23:54:58] <justpink> just practice..
[23:56:22] <XXCoder> yea I rather run cnc machines than solder lol
[23:58:07] <justpink> you have the parts?
[23:58:34] <XXCoder> well I have complete machine
[23:58:36] <XXCoder> mostly
[23:58:45] <XXCoder> still waiting on spindle and its power source