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[01:14:02] <skunkworks> love seeing old machines come back to life
[01:14:04] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiSh-i8i7ks
[01:15:03] <Tom_itx> good heavy iron
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[01:20:38] <PetefromTn_> Heavy being the operative word here
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[01:27:25] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, parts coming out pretty uniform now?
[01:27:51] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx Honestly man I wish I could say yeah but I would be lying...
[01:28:37] <PetefromTn_> Starting to think I bit off more than I could chew here unfortunately.
[01:28:45] <Tom_itx> sheen or color difference?
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[01:28:54] <PetefromTn_> neither
[01:29:15] <PetefromTn_> I am getting some wierd spots on the parts randomly
[01:29:26] <PetefromTn_> they are black as the rest of the part
[01:29:48] <Tom_itx> contaminates?
[01:29:49] <PetefromTn_> but they appear like slightly different levels of sheen in areas
[01:29:57] <PetefromTn_> I don't know
[01:30:17] <PetefromTn_> I understand contaminates appear as voids or white specs etc.
[01:30:22] <PetefromTn_> this is none of that
[01:30:29] <Tom_itx> hmm
[01:30:30] <PetefromTn_> the part fully anodizes
[01:30:38] <PetefromTn_> and the whole part takes the black color
[01:31:03] <PetefromTn_> but it has these little spots of areas that look shinier or duller.
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[01:31:14] <PetefromTn_> Its beyond me
[01:31:21] <PetefromTn_> all of the baths are brand new
[01:31:32] <PetefromTn_> and I have been pretty careful cleaning between them
[01:32:07] <PetefromTn_> at this point I am kinda trying to decide if I can fix them by stripping and trying again
[01:32:09] <zeeshan> think about it microscopically
[01:32:20] <zeeshan> and think what would cause areas to be shiny vs duller
[01:32:33] <PetefromTn_> but I stripped one and you can clearly see the areas are darker now even in the bare aluminum forum
[01:33:09] <PetefromTn_> I don't know what is causing it because the parts sure don't show it before anodize
[01:33:23] <zeeshan> youve painted furniture before
[01:33:30] <zeeshan> it doesnt take much to change the angle of reflection
[01:33:33] <zeeshan> if the finish isn't smooth
[01:33:45] <zeeshan> like when i was painting my car
[01:33:48] <PetefromTn_> this has nothing to do with the original finish
[01:33:49] <zeeshan> (the first time)
[01:34:21] <zeeshan> i think your finish before is fine
[01:34:29] <zeeshan> im thinking its an uneven growth of the hex pods
[01:34:35] <PetefromTn_> its a completely random phenomena that does not go with any tool cuts directions or even with my brushed finish
[01:34:55] <zeeshan> do you have swirling action going?
[01:34:59] <zeeshan> like bubbling
[01:35:03] <zeeshan> during anodizing
[01:35:37] <PetefromTn_> I would try to post a picture of the problem but honestly right now I am pretty upset about it and just want to try to relax and decide what to do about it.
[01:36:15] <PetefromTn_> no I do not have swirling action going but I have been agitating the parts manually every few minutes
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[01:36:42] <zeeshan> could you maybe throw a pvc pipe in there
[01:36:47] <zeeshan> with like 1/8 holes in it
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[01:36:55] <zeeshan> and try to bubble it up as your next try?
[01:37:06] <PetefromTn_> not sure there is gonna be a next try
[01:37:14] <zeeshan> dont giv eup
[01:37:15] <zeeshan> youre so close
[01:37:28] <PetefromTn_> honestly man I am out of time
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[01:37:48] <PetefromTn_> and I never thought I would only be able to run two parts every two and a half hours.
[01:37:59] <PetefromTn_> that pace is taking WAY too long
[01:38:21] <zeeshan> =\
[01:38:22] <PetefromTn_> so I overestimated my luck and my ability to learn this quickly
[01:38:31] <zeeshan> that just means you need a bigger power supply
[01:38:33] <zeeshan> and you can fix that?
[01:38:56] <PetefromTn_> If I had unlimited funds I could do a lot of things
[01:39:02] <PetefromTn_> but right now I am pretty broke
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[01:40:06] <PetefromTn_> my Son just recently joined the Navy and will be graduating from basic soon and I have to scrape up the cash to drive up there and visit him for the ceremony and I can't afford to take any money from that or anything else right now.
[01:40:33] <PetefromTn_> so I am now having to decide what to do here.
[01:40:39] <zeeshan> i didnt know you had a son that old :D
[01:40:43] <PetefromTn_> I can either bumble thru it more
[01:40:58] <PetefromTn_> or cut my losses and try to take them to a pro and see if they can fix them
[01:41:11] <zeeshan> im not sure how it is in Tn
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[01:41:26] <zeeshan> but the local companies here charge minimum 75$-100$
[01:41:26] <PetefromTn_> which will probably negate any profit in the parts but will take care of my customer which is more important right now
[01:41:30] <zeeshan> irregardless of # of parts
[01:41:52] <PetefromTn_> honestly if they could fix it for sure I would gladly pay that right now just to take the stress off.
[01:42:12] <Tom_itx> yeah you kinda got yourself behind the 8 ball on this i think
[01:42:12] <PetefromTn_> If I did not have so many parts to do and such a slow process it would not be so bad
[01:42:36] <Tom_itx> maybe should have set the process up and tested before hand
[01:42:37] <PetefromTn_> but as it is I have blown thru the available time.
[01:42:46] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: that doesnt help him now
[01:42:51] <zeeshan> so why bring it up :P
[01:42:53] <PetefromTn_> there is lots of things I SHOULD have done
[01:43:23] <PetefromTn_> and honestly I DID set the process up and test beforehand
[01:43:26] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you should have not blown your 7i49!!!
[01:43:27] <zeeshan> :D
[01:43:28] <zeeshan> :D
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[01:43:36] <PetefromTn_> the initial parts were all test pieces
[01:43:51] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: do it the hack way
[01:43:53] <PetefromTn_> I have only actually been doing the paying parts for the last two days
[01:43:55] <zeeshan> spray them with clearcoat
[01:43:56] <zeeshan> :D
[01:44:00] <zeeshan> he wont notice!
[01:44:11] <Tom_itx> zeeshan yeah i know
[01:44:24] <PetefromTn_> I am not perfect man
[01:44:36] <Tom_itx> well none of us are
[01:44:36] <PetefromTn_> I just try to do the best I can and learn as quickly as possible
[01:44:38] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you've done a lot more than i've done with anodizing
[01:44:41] <zeeshan> im impressed
[01:44:47] <zeeshan> most people talk about it
[01:44:47] <Tom_itx> well so am i really
[01:44:49] <zeeshan> you actually did it
[01:44:53] <PetefromTn_> what really sucks is there are some parts that look awesome
[01:45:08] <Tom_itx> show them to the pro and ask
[01:45:14] <PetefromTn_> and then there are some with this problem
[01:45:18] <zeeshan> i feel like if you show a pro the blotchyness
[01:45:25] <PetefromTn_> my wife noticed it today when i was showing the parts to her
[01:45:25] <zeeshan> it'll go like this"
[01:45:28] <zeeshan> "give me xxxx money"
[01:45:33] <zeeshan> and that xxx money is wayy to much
[01:45:39] <PetefromTn_> I am sure
[01:45:40] <zeeshan> if you give them regular parts to anodize
[01:45:43] <zeeshan> itll be much less
[01:45:51] <PetefromTn_> but I have no choice at this point
[01:46:03] <PetefromTn_> I will try to contact them tomorrow
[01:46:25] <PetefromTn_> only problem is they were kind of hard to deal with the first time which is why I did this myself in the first place
[01:46:39] <zeeshan> i think thats the whole reason i have a mill
[01:46:41] <zeeshan> and lathe and welder
[01:46:47] <zeeshan> =/
[01:47:03] <zeeshan> i want one pipe welding to another
[01:47:05] <PetefromTn_> this process just eats time
[01:47:09] <zeeshan> "minimum charge $100"
[01:47:10] <zeeshan> ..
[01:47:11] <zeeshan> fak off!
[01:47:18] <PetefromTn_> 2.5 hours or so for each pair
[01:47:28] <PetefromTn_> is just way too much time consumed
[01:47:30] <zeeshan> yea but lets say you could do 20 parts at once
[01:47:32] <zeeshan> woul;dnt it be worth it?
[01:47:40] <Tom_itx> sux the pro won't be flexible
[01:47:49] <PetefromTn_> even if I could do four parts at once successfully it would be worth it
[01:47:50] <Tom_itx> the one my bud used around here was great
[01:48:32] <zeeshan> i have this one problem
[01:48:38] <zeeshan> i need to stress relief my exhaust manifolds
[01:48:41] <PetefromTn_> honestly a lot of the parts I make are low numbers and they are usually sold individually
[01:48:44] <spline> zeeshan: found the same locally w/anodizing
[01:48:46] <zeeshan> i can't find a single company that is willing to do it
[01:48:52] <spline> all 3 shops I "found" wanted 150+ minimum
[01:48:57] <zeeshan> yea spline
[01:48:58] <zeeshan> dude i even said
[01:48:58] <PetefromTn_> so if they are not all exactly the same and the same color it is not a big deal
[01:49:01] <zeeshan> "i dont care about color"
[01:49:04] <spline> and one of them, the cheapest
[01:49:08] <zeeshan> "make it whatever you're doing in the batch"
[01:49:11] <spline> (I was interested in anodizing titanium)
[01:49:14] <zeeshan> and it was still minimum charge
[01:49:16] <spline> "You can't anodize titanium"
[01:49:17] <spline> uhh, really?
[01:49:21] <zeeshan> lol
[01:49:28] <spline> sent them a link to dan @ mrtitanium's page, who prob is one of the experts in the field
[01:49:34] <spline> it's nothing new.. no response
[01:49:36] <spline> but just funny like
[01:49:45] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i think its worth getting your anodizing setup running well
[01:49:49] <zeeshan> for the long term.
[01:49:56] <spline> ok uhm do you not understand a metal that oxides has the properties to be anodized, and yeah I know the big diff between ai/ti anodizing
[01:50:00] <zeeshan> (since youre saying they're low numbers usually)
[01:50:00] <spline> here
[01:50:09] <PetefromTn_> for the long term and individual or low number parts it certainly is
[01:50:13] <spline> this company dan links to has a really nice anodizer for ti/ai for about $283
[01:50:15] <spline> lemme find it
[01:50:22] <Tom_itx> yeah pete, do what you need to for these but don't give up on the anodizing
[01:50:37] <spline> http://issuu.com/reactivemetalsstudio/docs/rmscatalog6-22-15sml?e=3878733/13720375
[01:50:39] <spline> go tp page 7
[01:50:56] <spline> $275 for their setup (and yeah I know you can build one for much cheaper
[01:51:08] <PetefromTn_> I have too much cash and stuff here to completely give up on it.
[01:51:18] <PetefromTn_> and you guys saw some of the parts look really nice no?
[01:51:27] <zeeshan> yea thats why im saying
[01:51:30] <zeeshan> youre so close!
[01:51:54] <Tom_itx> yeah what i saw looked good
[01:52:02] <PetefromTn_> I can't tell you how disappointing and troubling this is tho...seeing hours of time go by only to find the part is no good.
[01:52:18] <spline> the link to their catalog (they sell a ton of metal prep/jewelry stuff) http://www.reactivemetals.com/Home.html
[01:52:36] <spline> PetefromTn_: what are you anodizing?
[01:52:36] <PetefromTn_> I just finished a pair of parts and they looked really nice going in. now they will need to be stripped or something and try again somehow.
[01:52:51] <PetefromTn_> aluminum parts I machine and sell on ebay
[01:53:01] <zeeshan> http://www.finishing.com/4800-4999/4884.shtml
[01:53:18] <zeeshan> Caustic Soda, 50% mixture is a common anodizing stripper and etching solution that would not only remove previous anodize, it would etch and clean the surface and the surface would be ready for a new fresh coat of anodize.
[01:53:32] <PetefromTn_> I am using the lye solution
[01:53:37] <PetefromTn_> it removed the anodizing
[01:53:42] <zeeshan> ah
[01:53:54] <PetefromTn_> but the parts with the marks seem to STILL have the marks afterwards
[01:54:01] <PetefromTn_> they get sort of a darker grey
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[01:54:14] <PetefromTn_> and the marks are an even darker grey than the rest of the part
[01:54:15] <zeeshan> can you scotch brite it off?
[01:54:23] <PetefromTn_> not sure what the marks are really
[01:54:25] <zeeshan> or too much work
[01:54:27] <PetefromTn_> probably
[01:54:48] <PetefromTn_> but without knowing what the hell is causing it I would be just revisiting the misery most likely
[01:55:05] <zeeshan> i really think its uneven anodizing
[01:55:10] <zeeshan> but im not an expert :(
[01:55:12] <greg___> pete did you read about burning?
[01:55:15] <zeeshan> just trying to use logic from the paper i read
[01:55:41] <PetefromTn_> I have tried to read all I could find about it but honestly there are TONS of papers on this all over the net
[01:55:53] <PetefromTn_> perhaps I am burning them I dunno
[01:56:10] <greg___> yeah i know. are you ramping the current of just full on?
[01:56:13] <PetefromTn_> I sure went thru the steps of figuring the surface area etc.
[01:56:16] <greg___> or
[01:56:52] <PetefromTn_> and I am using a power supply where I am kinda guessing at the current output with the shunt metering but it should be at least close
[01:57:24] <PetefromTn_> I made sure that the parts do not block one another to the cathodes
[01:58:13] <greg___> burning sounds like it comes from putting full current to the bath right away. It seems that for TypeII you should ramp the current in 30 seconds or so.
[01:58:37] <PetefromTn_> I tried ramping the current like you suggested with starting with a lower setting for 20 minutes and then bringing it up after that.
[01:58:38] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, i dunno if this will help: http://www.pfonline.com/zones/browse/troubleshooting-quality-control/23
[02:00:38] <greg___> 20 minutes is too long
[02:01:04] <greg___> but it seems there is no fixed value http://www.pfonline.com/articles/anodizing-fundamentals
[02:02:07] <greg___> what you're describing sounds like burning to me, but I've never done it.
[02:02:37] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/LS24JRD.jpg This is a really washed out picture from the flash but you can see the problem on the left side of the part. It does not appear this bad in reality but you can certainly see it.
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[02:04:08] <PetefromTn_> its like there are splotches of shinier areas and the rest is even
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[02:07:59] <PetefromTn_> well thanks for the suggestions guys. Gonna hit the sack early gnite
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[02:12:19] <os1r1s> Who uses the XHC pendant? Are the sample files in 2.6 newer or is v6 from the website better?
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[02:39:19] <sector_0> anyone here ever used epoxy in cnc construction?
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[04:06:38] <CaptHindsight> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anodizing#Anodized_titanium it's an interference process to get colors
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[04:28:42] <furrywolf> yeargh. my back hurts way, way, way too much. 12 hours in the car...
[04:28:55] <furrywolf> and the subaru I bought is, despite what she insisted over the phone, a piece of crap.
[04:29:52] <furrywolf> "rust free" means "only holes are on the underside where you can't see them". "runs great" means "overheats in two minutes". "good body" means "someone parked it over a fire and melted the front bumper off and mangled the wiring harness". etc.
[04:30:05] <furrywolf> I decided to get it anyway, but it's not going to be a good daily driver any time soon.
[04:30:49] <furrywolf> alternator promptly pushes the (toasted) battery to 18 volts. probably a short in the wiring harness to it, due to fire meltage.
[04:32:27] <furrywolf> "key needs jiggling in the ignition" actually means "I lost the original key, found some key from something that's not even a subaru, and doesn't work the doors, but if you jiggle it enough in the ignition you can eventually knock the pins into the right spots".
[04:37:58] <furrywolf> Based on her description, I was planning on getting a nice, clean, rust-free, functional daily driver... instead it's just going to be a beater.
[04:42:06] <furrywolf> oh, and "might need cats" means "not present".
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[04:49:11] <just_pink> hi
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[04:50:43] <just_pink> hi A_Nub
[04:50:51] <A_Nub> hi?
[04:54:22] <just_pink> I'm relatively new here (about a week) just curious to know more people with the same hobby.
[04:54:41] <renesis> furrywolf: how much
[04:54:56] <furrywolf> $600
[04:54:57] <renesis> if you paid more than $1500 im dissapointed, and $1500 is too much
[04:55:00] <renesis> good
[04:55:48] <renesis> furrywolf: coolant clean?
[04:55:55] <just_pink> someone know about good 12V power supplly?
[04:55:59] <renesis> well, prob not but is it at least free of oil?
[04:56:07] <just_pink> I need it for the motors.
[04:56:08] <renesis> just_pink: be more specific
[04:56:09] <furrywolf> yep, nice clean crystal clear water.
[04:56:18] <renesis> mean well supplies are a good value
[04:56:27] <renesis> clear water, nice
[04:56:39] <furrywolf> now, I generally prefer my coolant to have at least a hint of green...
[04:56:46] <just_pink> 12V 10A
[04:56:50] <renesis> ha @ hint
[04:56:52] <just_pink> dc
[04:56:59] <furrywolf> because, you know, ANTIFREEZE IS USEFUL. but it overheats quickly, so they probably just fill it with water.
[04:57:03] <renesis> get a mean well supply
[04:57:20] <just_pink> thay work with inductive load?
[04:57:42] <furrywolf> they work, period?
[04:57:59] <renesis> dont see why not, its not a variably supply
[04:58:10] <just_pink> mean well make PS for leds
[04:59:08] <renesis> if you cut off current to the inductive low, and the cutoff device fails, and you get massive neg voltage spike on its, maybe it puts it into protection, but thats not really the supplies fault
[04:59:11] <furrywolf> radiator is new (original one presumably destroyed in the fire that melted the front bumper), so either the thermostat is stuck closed, or the water pump has no vanes left.
[04:59:27] <just_pink> switching powersupply don't work well with inductive load they make cut off.
[04:59:31] <renesis> just_pink: thats a new thing, mostly people buy their open PSU
[05:00:02] <renesis> okay well buy a toroid and a diode bridge and some big caps and call it a day
[05:00:16] <furrywolf> oh, and the air conditioning has been stripped. condensor probably damaged in the fire. and the headlights aim inwards. and the heater blower has something jammed in it. and about a thousand other small things suggesting it was not well maintained at all.
[05:00:43] <just_pink> the starting current peak is 40A the constant current it's about 2-3 amps
[05:00:45] <renesis> http://www.parts-express.com/cat/toroidal-power-transformers/1479
[05:01:01] <renesis> their prices on avel toroids arte decent last time i was shopping
[05:01:38] <just_pink> I need it for DIN rail.
[05:01:41] <renesis> just_pink: thats not about being an inductive load, thats about how an inductive load is being drivent by the drivers
[05:02:35] <renesis> thats looks more like an capacitive load to the psu, and you prob want something that can push that peak current for a large percentage of duty cycle
[05:02:48] <just_pink> There is no driver it's go direct to the motors with DPDS switch
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[05:04:38] <just_pink> I dont want to work with drivers
[05:04:46] <renesis> if its not moving it looks closer to a DC resistance until the coild start switching
[05:05:47] <just_pink> If I connct the motor to lead acid 12V battary it's work fine.
[05:06:36] <just_pink> but with lambda 12V 10A PS It's cut off the power every few sec
[05:07:09] <renesis> so if you dont want to buy a protected switching psu that can handle the peak current before protecting itself, just get a linear PSU, make sure the transformer can handle the average power at startup with a bit of headroom, in terms of watts over second or two, and make sure you bridge diodes and capacitors can handle the initial current peaks
[05:07:23] <just_pink> so i've ask tham and they say that it's becaus the high starting currnt.
[05:07:32] <renesis> right its going into protection
[05:07:52] <renesis> so you need psu with a larger protection threshold, which means more current sourcing ability
[05:08:31] <just_pink> this is why I'm here..
[05:08:33] <renesis> or you just go with an unregulated, linear supply, with enough transformer to handle average power during startup, and a diode rectifier that can handle the peak current
[05:09:08] <renesis> so i would prob go with a PSU that can handle like 20A continuous, and diodes that can handle like 50A
[05:09:13] <just_pink> do you know about something like that?
[05:10:12] <just_pink> but 2 9V (18v) battray work fine..
[05:10:43] <just_pink> to go with that 20A it's over kill
[05:11:55] <just_pink> without load it's can take 100mA
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[06:25:47] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/8vg1nJc.jpg
[06:25:48] <zeeshan> done!
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[09:39:03] <XXCoder> jeez internet stopped working when I was using it, and stayed down till I went to work. Dunno how it was fixed
[09:39:07] <XXCoder> probably bill lol
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[10:46:14] <_methods> poor pete
[10:48:54] <XXCoder> _methods: did I miss something
[10:48:58] <XXCoder> while internet was down
[10:49:03] <XXCoder> my access that is]
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[10:53:12] <euridium> quick question: New to linuxCNC, migrating from mach3. I want to run linuxcnc on a VM while i learn the interface. Is it possible to create a dummy config so that i can launch linuxcnc?
[10:53:36] <euridium> when i do it at present, with a replica config, the VM does not have a parallel port, so linuxcnc crashes and will not start.
[10:53:59] <euridium> i am unable to add a parallel port to the VM as it's not a compiled in option. (centos 7)
[10:54:20] <XXCoder> you dont have some old laptop or something?
[10:54:35] <XXCoder> I used my laptop and yes it has parallel port (old laptop lol)
[10:54:51] <XXCoder> and I used it to test stuff. since its just testing latancy isnt a worry.
[10:54:56] <euridium> yes i do, but a vm is more convienient, as i can access it from multiple locations. (at home / work / on the road, etc)
[10:55:12] <XXCoder> yea but I dont know if theres a way
[10:55:25] <XXCoder> how about setup remote desktop
[10:55:31] <XXCoder> linux its pretty easy.
[10:55:47] <XXCoder> harder part is configuring router and that isnt too hard
[10:55:53] <euridium> yeh, was trying to avoid leaving my controller PC on all the time in my workshop. but i guess i can do that.
[10:56:58] <euridium> you wouldn't think it would be hard to do a fake parallel port!
[10:57:00] <euridium> but it is...
[10:57:10] <XXCoder> indeed. bit strange that
[10:57:19] <_methods> yeh you can run it in simulation mode
[10:57:23] <XXCoder> wonder if theres software driver that fakes it
[10:57:31] <XXCoder> simulation mode thats new to me
[10:57:40] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Pure_Simulator
[10:58:15] <_methods> i don't think the wiki has been updated for the new version though
[10:58:57] <_methods> trying to find some better instructions
[10:59:34] <euridium> thanks for the point in the right direction. i've spent 2 days googling and reading to work out a way....
[10:59:54] <_methods> yeah sorry ive never installed it that way so im not much help
[11:00:05] <_methods> but there are tons of people on here that use just the sim version
[11:00:10] <_methods> to check gcode or do testing
[11:00:58] <_methods> if you check back here as more people get on someone will be able to help you more on this
[11:01:13] <_methods> it can be kinda slow in here until a bit later
[11:01:35] <euridium> ok thanks.
[11:01:55] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC
[11:02:01] <_methods> that wiki might have more
[11:02:20] <_methods> i know for sure build instructions are on that one
[11:02:38] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Building_LinuxCNC_simulator
[11:03:47] <_methods> isn't there an option on the livecd to install it in simulation mode?
[11:04:01] <_methods> been a few months since ive done a full install
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[13:26:21] <_methods> oh yeah you don't need anything special for sim mode
[13:26:35] <_methods> just select it when you're setting up the machine
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[13:35:17] <_methods> euridium: http://imgur.com/ZXCRAGZ
[13:35:38] <_methods> just install normally and when you configure a machine set it up for sim
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[14:07:42] <_methods> zlog
[14:07:42] <zlog> _methods: Log stored at http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2015-07-16.html
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[14:26:51] <mozmck> I saw someone mention Glacern vices here, and saw these just now: http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/tls/5117004664.html
[14:28:46] <archivist> loads of money includes a war wound!
[14:30:05] <DaViruz> http://www.blocket.se/blekinge/CNC_Svarv_61566791.htm?ca=9&w=3
[14:30:08] <DaViruz> that's a tiny one..
[14:30:59] <mozmck> Neat looking - about the size I need.
[14:31:01] <archivist> but its bigger than my
[14:31:07] <archivist> Starturn
[14:31:56] <DaViruz> i wonder if that's a motorized tool turret on it
[14:32:11] <DaViruz> kind of looks like it
[14:32:40] <archivist> does look powered tool rotation
[14:34:06] <archivist> with lube or pneumatics to the tools too
[14:34:20] <DaViruz> http://www.mattsb.com/Images/cortini_05.JPG
[14:35:38] <DaViruz> too bad i don't really need it, the price seems agreeable
[14:36:02] <archivist> get it and find a job for it :)
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[14:36:29] <Tom_L> http://www.sandvik.coromant.com/en-us/mww/pages/im_gurutzpe.aspx?utm_source=apsis&utm_medium=email&utm_content=unspecified&utm_campaign=MonthlyNewsletter2015-07-16_US
[14:37:31] <Tom_L> not for your watchmaker lathe archivist1
[14:37:33] <Tom_L> !
[14:38:02] <archivist> I am still waiting for page to load
[14:39:11] <Tom_L> it was a little slow here too
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[14:43:38] <_methods> i thought irc was broken
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[14:47:03] <ssi_> morn
[14:47:08] ssi_ is now known as ssi
[14:48:04] <ssi> mozmck: I'd probably buy both those vises if they were local to me
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[14:52:44] <mozmck> I probably would too if I had a machine to use them on.
[14:53:01] <ssi> eh they're only $575 new
[14:53:06] <ssi> not a horrible deal, but not great either
[14:53:12] <_methods> yeah not too big a savings
[14:53:16] <_methods> and shipping..........
[14:53:19] <_methods> would eat that up
[14:53:24] <furrywolf> I need a 4 or 5" milling vise...
[14:53:25] <ssi> yeah which is why I said if it were local to me
[14:54:34] <_methods> yeah
[14:54:45] <_methods> hard to find good deals on vises after shipping
[14:54:52] <_methods> i always try to find them local
[14:55:50] <furrywolf> I've been trying to find a vise locally for a while now with no success
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[15:46:50] <_methods> never have much luck though vises seem to sell fast
[15:47:06] <ssi> yeah
[15:48:14] <archivist> over here we dont have the vice of spelling vice incorrectly
[15:48:35] <ssi> vice isn't an incorrect spelling unless you're talking about workholding :)
[15:49:10] <archivist> vise is an american speeeeeling
[15:49:20] <ssi> Americans and Canadians retain the very old distinction between vise (the tool) and vice (the sin, and also the Latin prefix meaning a "deputy"), both of which are vice in the UK and Australia.[179] Thus, Americans have Vice-Admiral, Vice-President, and Vice-Principal, but never Vise- for any one of these.
[15:51:11] <archivist> two countries separated by a common language
[15:51:19] <ssi> :D
[15:51:50] <ssi> if we spoke the language identically, what on earth would we judge each other for?!
[15:52:25] <_methods> i can't believe you guys have been spelling stuff in your own language wrong all this time
[15:52:32] <ssi> seriously
[15:52:52] <CaptHindsight> I refuse to visit a country without elevators and escalators :)
[15:52:57] <_methods> hahah
[15:53:24] <furrywolf> got a harbor freight power adapter... it says 13.2vdc 500ma. open-circuit voltage is 23.8v. isn't that a little high even for open-circuit vs loaded? heh
[15:53:25] <archivist> you should read a dictionary preface, it follows use, does not prescribe use
[15:53:56] <ssi> must have a very high output impedance
[15:54:39] <_methods> the dictionary?
[15:54:41] <archivist> or no cap at all
[15:55:10] <ssi> if the transformer is 24V unloaded, a cap isn't going to change that
[15:55:44] <mozmck> _methods: that's bascially what archivist said: "follows use, does not prescribe use" - high impedance output.
[15:55:50] <furrywolf> I got it to replace a fried one that says 14V 500ma, but I don't think this high of open-circuit voltage is going to work... for a battery charger!
[15:55:51] <_methods> heheh
[15:56:12] <_methods> i put some /ignores on so that's all i saw
[15:56:20] <ssi> lol
[15:56:49] <ssi> this place gets way too confusing with ignores on
[15:57:01] <mozmck> even without them!
[15:57:02] * ssi looks at zeeshan
[15:57:07] <zeeshan> hi
[15:57:09] <ssi> lol
[15:57:09] <furrywolf> ssi: for some reason _methods hates me. I'm not entirely sure why.
[15:57:17] <archivist> aw
[15:57:23] <zeeshan> i'm on ignore?
[15:57:25] <_methods> the stupidity levels are way lower though
[15:57:26] <ssi> ha no
[15:57:43] <_methods> and my blood pressure has dropped dramatically
[15:57:47] <zeeshan> furrywolf: if methods has you on ignore, that is a good thing
[15:57:50] <ssi> furrywolf: it's your gentle nature
[15:59:04] <CaptHindsight> confusing IRC with Twitter also takes its toll on some people
[15:59:31] <archivist> I am a twitter free zone
[16:00:27] <zeeshan> wait
[16:00:31] <zeeshan> this isn't twitter?
[16:00:37] <zeeshan> ???????????????????????????????????
[16:01:23] <furrywolf> zeeshan: no. for example, you can type long lines. :P
[16:01:27] <zeeshan> rofl my gf is funny
[16:01:33] <zeeshan> she's like "only you would set an alarm for 12:01 pm"
[16:01:44] <ssi> to remove ambiguity?!
[16:01:58] <zeeshan> i can't type long lines, if i want to do that i'd be writing a paper for research
[16:02:09] <zeeshan> irc is for hanging out, talking about common interests
[16:02:10] <zeeshan> and trolling
[16:02:18] <ssi> I honestly have no idea how to twitter effectively
[16:02:27] <ssi> I use twitter cause it's the fastest way to put a picture on the internet from my phone
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[16:03:27] <zeeshan> here's a twitter post for CaptHindsight
[16:03:28] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/UL15tWQ.jpg
[16:04:06] <archivist> lotsa fringe pattern
[16:04:22] <CaptHindsight> I'm not sure if people under 30 notice it much but there is also a lack of civility
[16:04:36] <zeeshan> that's what happens when you take a pic of a lcd screen :[
[16:04:58] <ssi> it's easy to be uncivil when you have the anonymity of the internet to hide behind
[16:05:07] <zeeshan> look up zeeshan
[16:05:12] <zeeshan> i have nothing to hide
[16:05:18] <ssi> oh i know exactly who you are :)
[16:05:29] <ssi> I have nothing to hide either, I'm dead easy to find
[16:05:33] <zeeshan> haha
[16:05:38] <ssi> and thanks to the FAA, you can find EVERYTHING about me
[16:05:41] <zeeshan> people that pose to be something they arent annoy me
[16:05:44] <ssi> my address, my medical history
[16:05:48] <zeeshan> they are an expert on EVERYTHING!!
[16:05:55] * zeeshan looks at furrywolf
[16:05:58] <ssi> lawl
[16:06:08] <zeeshan> that was a joke furry :[
[16:06:27] <zeeshan> ssi i need to track you when youre flying
[16:06:28] <ssi> lol if you google zeeshan
[16:06:28] <ssi> Zeeshan
[16:06:29] <ssi> The name of an amazing person who is truly loyal and great to everyone he knows. He is typically the life of the party and makes any situation better. His smile can brighten up any room any day. If you know a Zeeshan, consider yourself lucky!!
[16:06:31] <zeeshan> air stalking
[16:06:33] <ssi> ahahaha
[16:06:36] <ssi> urbandictionary
[16:06:43] <zeeshan> LOL
[16:06:49] <zeeshan> that is certainly not me!
[16:06:59] <ssi> airstalking me will be a little tough
[16:07:01] <ssi> I rarely file
[16:07:02] <ssi> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N500KC
[16:07:05] <ssi> that's the last trip I filed
[16:07:26] <zeeshan> i thought if you flew you had to have a plane?
[16:07:29] <zeeshan> *plan
[16:07:37] <ssi> hell no
[16:07:48] <zeeshan> o
[16:07:56] <zeeshan> in that case, i'd be chasing tornados if i was a pilot
[16:08:06] <ssi> why? :P
[16:08:13] <zeeshan> i wanna be like those noaa guys
[16:08:23] <zeeshan> they fly through hurricanes
[16:08:26] <ssi> good way to get yoself kilt
[16:08:26] <zeeshan> they are bad ass
[16:08:52] <zeeshan> i love it when they go from this crazy zone and into the eyes
[16:08:58] <zeeshan> *eye, and they circle around, it's so calm
[16:09:59] <ssi> hehe
[16:10:43] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/8vg1nJc.jpg
[16:10:45] <zeeshan> im about to test this
[16:10:51] <furrywolf> meh. I try to help everyone I can, and get crap back.
[16:10:54] <zeeshan> see if it blows up in my face
[16:10:59] <zeeshan> furrywolf: you are VERY helpful
[16:11:17] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: the polymer setup works more better now?
[16:11:37] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: im getting failure closer to the pole
[16:11:45] <zeeshan> i think w/ the expander it'll be right at the pole now
[16:12:05] <furrywolf> failures increasingly close to the pole was a major chapter in this planet's exploration. :P
[16:13:44] <zeeshan> honestly i had to review membrance theory again
[16:13:51] <zeeshan> to get an idea about wtf was going on
[16:15:24] <Connor> zeeshan What is that ?
[16:15:46] <zeeshan> for my bulge tester thing
[16:15:55] <zeeshan> ive only been working on the same thing for 1year you know :P
[16:16:22] <Connor> *shrug* Can't keep track of what your doing.. I barley can keep track what I'm doing..
[16:16:56] <ssi> you've been working on a lot of other things too :P
[16:17:18] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/f7AbZa8.png
[16:17:20] <zeeshan> i posted this a while back
[16:17:38] <zeeshan> but say you have a rectangular thin plate
[16:17:47] <zeeshan> and you pressureize it causing some displacement
[16:17:55] <zeeshan> thats what the stress distribution _should_ look like
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[16:21:22] <zeeshan> https://youtu.be/CGM42bgrEjE?t=80
[16:21:24] <zeeshan> connor ^
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[16:37:10] <ssi> look it's anodizeman
[16:37:22] <PetefromTn_> heh
[16:37:36] <PetefromTn_> Look it's can get shit done right!!
[16:37:38] <zeeshan> Baws
[16:38:02] <PetefromTn_> just got back from Knoxvegas
[16:38:07] <archivist> zeeshan, Category Comedy for that video :)
[16:38:16] <PetefromTn_> dropped the parts off with the pro's
[16:38:24] <zeeshan> archivist: lol
[16:38:27] <zeeshan> it is comedy!
[16:38:32] <ssi> PetefromTn_: pro anodizing shop?
[16:38:36] <PetefromTn_> yup
[16:38:38] <ssi> :/
[16:38:42] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: how much?
[16:38:57] <PetefromTn_> they said somewhere between $75.00 and $100.00
[16:39:03] <ssi> for how many parts?
[16:39:03] <zeeshan> that's not bad!!
[16:39:07] <PetefromTn_> 40
[16:39:11] <ssi> yea really not terrible
[16:39:13] <zeeshan> thats really good
[16:39:30] <zeeshan> now if you get blotchiness
[16:39:33] <zeeshan> you can blame them :-)
[16:39:35] <ssi> heheh
[16:39:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah but they said that because they have to REDO the ones that were already done they could not guarantee evenness across the whole batch but they said they would do the best they could
[16:40:08] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: you could put a chunk of aluminum
[16:40:10] <zeeshan> and try to get it working
[16:40:10] <ssi> how many did you do?
[16:40:13] <zeeshan> you already got the equipment
[16:40:18] <PetefromTn_> about half
[16:40:19] <zeeshan> i bbl
[16:40:21] <ssi> gotcha
[16:40:31] <PetefromTn_> some were really good too
[16:40:43] <_methods> what is that about $2.50/ea
[16:40:45] <_methods> not too bad
[16:40:50] <PetefromTn_> even the pro guy commented on how nice some of them looked and that the black was very deep
[16:41:15] <PetefromTn_> if it were not for the blemishes in them I would have been content to finish them myself
[16:41:29] <_methods> what did he say was causing that?
[16:41:32] <PetefromTn_> but I could not figure out what was causing them so I threw in the towel
[16:41:38] <PetefromTn_> he said he had no idea
[16:41:42] <_methods> hmm
[16:42:02] <PetefromTn_> he told me that generally contamination will leave blank spots
[16:42:08] <PetefromTn_> these were not blank spots
[16:42:28] <PetefromTn_> they were thoroughly anodized but just some spots were shinier than the rest of the part
[16:42:56] <PetefromTn_> I am just praying that they can fix it and make them all look even and decent so I can ship them ASAP
[16:43:22] <PetefromTn_> honestly at this point I have come to the conclusion that my anodizing setup works great for one or two parts at a time
[16:43:33] <ssi> is it just a power supply limitation?
[16:43:41] <_methods> well now you can keep messin with it and iron out all the kinks
[16:43:42] <PetefromTn_> the problems come in when you have a long run and the parts all need to match
[16:43:49] <_methods> without a deadline
[16:44:05] <PetefromTn_> _methods honestly it is the deadline that really killed me here
[16:44:09] <_methods> you got a local laser place nearby?
[16:44:15] <PetefromTn_> I KNEW when I took the job I was taking a chance
[16:44:18] <ssi> lol just my house
[16:44:20] <ssi> :P
[16:44:25] <_methods> they might let you dig out all their aluminum slugs
[16:44:30] <_methods> to use as test pieces
[16:44:42] <_methods> ssi: hahah
[16:44:43] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, how long did they say it would take to do them?
[16:44:43] <PetefromTn_> I mean I never did anodizing EVER before
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[16:45:03] <PetefromTn_> they said they are gonna try to get them into a batch they are doing this afternoon
[16:45:10] <PetefromTn_> but they could not guarantee it
[16:45:20] <Tom_itx> so they're using many more amps than you did
[16:45:23] <PetefromTn_> worst case is they will be done by monday
[16:45:26] <Tom_itx> with a shorter soak time
[16:45:39] <PetefromTn_> Oh hell those guys are doing THOUSANDS of parts over there
[16:45:48] <PetefromTn_> they have truckloads of parts
[16:45:51] <Tom_itx> i know... we have finish companies here
[16:46:00] <PetefromTn_> he showed me some of the other customers parts
[16:46:02] <Tom_itx> vats the size of a room
[16:46:12] <PetefromTn_> they apparently have a customer that makes AR15 handguards
[16:46:28] <PetefromTn_> and they had a warehouse full of boxes of them
[16:46:54] <Tom_itx> if you get in good with them, maybe they'll give you a better deal in a pinch
[16:47:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah they had hydraulic lifts that they use to lower the parts into the huge vats
[16:47:27] <PetefromTn_> well I think they will probably do that but my biggest order pales in comparison to most of their customers
[16:47:42] <spline> damn nice
[16:47:45] <spline> for aluminum?
[16:47:50] <PetefromTn_> I honestly think they took pity on me over there today seeing the problems and deadlines I was up against so they were trying to help
[16:47:53] <Tom_itx> that's when you get the color they're running and do a batch of that color...
[16:48:14] <Tom_itx> at least they weren't ass's
[16:48:16] <spline> I was trying to find an anodizer I could do ai + ti with (one needs volts, other needs more amps)
[16:48:19] <_methods> yeah that's what i do hey just use whatever color
[16:48:27] <PetefromTn_> hopefully I get a call here this evening that they are done and look good and I can pick them up or in the morning and get it shipped out.
[16:48:31] <_methods> or slide this in with something else i don't care how long it takes
[16:48:42] <Tom_itx> my bud would tell them just to hold his parts until that color came up
[16:48:52] <Tom_itx> he managed to get them done free
[16:49:01] <Tom_itx> he was a real wheeler dealer though
[16:49:01] <PetefromTn_> that is precisely why I wanted to do it mysefl
[16:49:13] <spline> wow
[16:49:14] <PetefromTn_> I make short run parts and a lot of onesie twosies
[16:49:26] <spline> Tom_itx: I asked about the same thing. the local places, who were setup to do large/big orders, wouldn't go
[16:49:36] <PetefromTn_> so waiting on them to get a batch would be not a possibility
[16:49:37] <spline> but a local machinist I knew said to recontact one of them in town in person
[16:49:49] <spline> it was the standard "we dont want to service small orders" stuff, which I completely understand
[16:49:49] <_methods> beer and pizza help your position lol
[16:49:52] <spline> haha
[16:49:52] <PetefromTn_> I just hope they do a good job
[16:49:56] <spline> seriously _methods always works
[16:50:05] <spline> show up with a 30 rack of bud
[16:50:10] <spline> hey man I need a few parts coated
[16:50:12] <PetefromTn_> Honestly you guys saw the pictures of my parts...
[16:50:13] <_methods> yep
[16:50:23] <spline> cash also works, too, which I always tell them that I have no problem with
[16:50:24] <PetefromTn_> I thought they came out pretty nice when I did not have the splotches
[16:50:29] <spline> (as in declare on your taxes or not.. not my bag)
[16:50:38] <spline> PetefromTn_: got a link?
[16:50:46] <PetefromTn_> a link to what?
[16:50:52] <spline> the pictures
[16:50:54] <spline> I didn't see it
[16:50:56] <PetefromTn_> oh hang on
[16:51:11] <spline> I love anodizing. first saw it in my car, later bike days and when I got into titanium
[16:51:35] <spline> and the artisan I've used for Ti stuff is an amazing resource for anodizing Ti
[16:51:43] <ssi> anodized ti is coooool
[16:51:51] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/1Rjhp8u.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7TMNNsC.jpg
[16:51:54] <spline> I was looking @ the SMT Micro from Rio Grande. It's setup for more Ti than aluminum. I'm trying to see if I can find a unit that will do both
[16:52:09] <spline> oh cool. that's like a gray/blue?
[16:52:17] <spline> almost looks like a "bleuing(sp)" for guns
[16:52:20] <PetefromTn_> no its actually quite black
[16:52:29] <PetefromTn_> the photos do not show well
[16:52:46] <PetefromTn_> as I said even the pro guy was impressed with how black they were.
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[16:53:10] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/jrXId66.jpg
[16:53:16] <spline> oh there it is
[16:53:17] <spline> yeah
[16:53:35] <spline> maybe put it next ot one of those color chart things they use when printing something out? sometimes works best
[16:53:47] <spline> not sure on the color theory side of things.. if its black, put it on a white paper for best contrast
[16:53:49] <spline> or something white
[16:54:27] <Tom_itx> use daylight bulbs for photots too
[16:54:30] <Tom_itx> come out better
[16:54:41] <PetefromTn_> like I said were it not for the splotches of shine I would have been really doing well..
[16:54:57] <PetefromTn_> I only took those photos with my cellphone quickly to show you guys...
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[16:55:25] <PetefromTn_> If I wanted to show a real good picture I usually setup my better camera with tripod and take photos more carefully.
[16:56:03] <spline> that's aluminum I assume
[16:56:14] <spline> iirc, you can't get black on ti/nimb
[16:56:22] <PetefromTn_> 6061
[16:56:42] <spline> PetefromTn_: yeah heh im the same way. I had this garbage 5mp camera I got off amazon open-box for like $10 I used till I got a s4 a year ago
[16:56:58] <spline> and its camera is 4x that. even on my 15 yearold dslr I have converted to ir, its still shit
[16:56:59] <ssi> I don't think you use dye on ti
[16:57:05] <ssi> I think the voltage determines the color, or something like that
[16:57:07] <PetefromTn_> I think I need to concentrate on designing and machining the parts and let the Pros worry about the anodizing at least if there is more than a couple
[16:57:12] <spline> (but it's kinda >720nm only so not exactly something I take pics with for showing stuff)
[16:57:22] <spline> ssi: correct
[16:57:40] <spline> ssi: one of the best pages on it: http://mrtitanium.com/anodizing.html
[16:57:45] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, just figure the finish in the part quote.
[16:57:52] <PetefromTn_> I do
[16:57:53] <spline> and Ai = amps. Ti = voltage
[16:57:59] <Tom_itx> then if you can do it all the better
[16:57:59] <spline> on where it varies. plus ai = dye
[16:58:30] <PetefromTn_> I will just stick to doing the anodizing on small numbers that way I don't have to worry about supreme consistency
[16:58:54] <spline> I wanted to find some smaller setup just to have fun on it. If I can get a cheap anodizing setup for <$500, I'd do it
[16:58:55] <PetefromTn_> the pro guys told me that is why they have huge racks so all of the parts get done at the same time so they can ensure consistency
[16:59:07] <Tom_itx> yup
[16:59:25] <Tom_itx> just like buying carpet or anything else
[16:59:45] <PetefromTn_> my small setup doing two at a time works fine but it is very limiting both in time as well as consistency just due to that
[17:01:13] <Tom_itx> we've got at least 4-6 metal finish shops around here
[17:01:19] <Tom_itx> so they're all competetive
[17:01:22] <PetefromTn_> I think had I bought a better power supply in the beginning I would have been able to do four parts at a time and been at least a little bit more consistent
[17:01:30] <Tom_itx> yeah
[17:02:14] <PetefromTn_> I am not sorry I tried it tho and I don't regret doing it, just that THIS particular job was not the best one to start on.
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[17:02:29] <ssi> it's always hard to learn on a paying job with a deadline
[17:02:41] <PetefromTn_> you bet your ass it is ;)
[17:03:04] <Tom_itx> i'm not sorry you did either... and all the crap i gave you was in jest. i hope you realize that. i'd help you any way i could
[17:03:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah man I know if I thought you guys were malicious in your cracks I would have been gone long ago....
[17:04:05] <PetefromTn_> I don't have room for that in my life :D
[17:04:21] <PetefromTn_> I learn a great deal from this place
[17:04:32] <PetefromTn_> and I like to think I give you guys some comic relief hehe
[17:04:40] <Tom_itx> we gave ssi crap for burning down his house but if you're not doing something like that, you're not testing the boundaries
[17:05:07] <ssi> I'm pretty good at testing boundaries :P
[17:05:21] <PetefromTn_> this is true!
[17:06:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/GATAN-PRECISION-ION-MILLING-MACHINE-WITH-CHAMBER-/271212366622 $1K
[17:06:14] <Tom_itx> hell i blew out all my brand new mesa cards...
[17:06:23] <Tom_itx> fixed the boards and off we go again
[17:06:30] <CaptHindsight> off your customers 1nm precision
[17:06:33] <PetefromTn_> hell I blew one out myself
[17:06:42] <ssi> I've blown a couple
[17:06:44] <ssi> and fixed them
[17:07:01] <PetefromTn_> well I didn't fix it but PETE did thankfully
[17:07:11] <Tom_itx> once i'm back on my feet i hope to get the mill goin again
[17:07:12] <ssi> as long as it was fixed by a pete :D
[17:07:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah that works for me too
[17:08:12] <PetefromTn_> I will say it hurts a lot more when you fail or blow stuff up and this is not a hobby
[17:08:33] <ssi> PetefromTn_: you know I had a contract for $25k worth of parts when I burned the house? :(
[17:08:37] <_methods> i hope my mesa stuff shows up soon
[17:08:52] <PetefromTn_> ssi yeah I know you did that must have hurt pretty bad
[17:08:53] <Tom_itx> it hurts bad enough when it's a hobby.... i don't get that much hobby cash
[17:09:38] <Tom_itx> i did sell a handfull of programmers today though
[17:09:42] <Tom_itx> that was encouraging
[17:09:46] <PetefromTn_> any failure or loss hurts hobby or otherwise
[17:11:13] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: the anodizing house was being smart, why would you do business with a place that criticized you for the problems you had with the parts?
[17:11:29] <Tom_itx> true
[17:11:38] <PetefromTn_> they never criticized me
[17:11:43] <CaptHindsight> shame you into being a return customer?
[17:12:00] <PetefromTn_> they were actually quite nice and helpful
[17:12:06] <CaptHindsight> tes i know
[17:12:11] <CaptHindsight> yes even
[17:13:08] <PetefromTn_> I would not have done business with them if they were like that. I would just cancel the whole damn job and eat the costs and chalk it up to expereince ;)
[17:13:45] <CaptHindsight> but I've been to places where they would get all bent out of shape for bring in parts that were originally dome elsewhere
[17:14:20] <CaptHindsight> bbl after fingers are working
[17:14:37] <PetefromTn_> naah they seemed honestly surprised that the parts were NOT done by another professional shop and when I told him it was more of a hobby sized system he seemed even more surprised.
[17:15:06] <archivist> can be fun correcting the other guys work, done a few
[17:15:32] <CaptHindsight> maybe once you get a decent power supply you'll start getting their failures or difficult jobs :)
[17:16:00] <PetefromTn_> I wish I could pin the problem to the power supply but I honestly don't know
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[17:18:11] <CaptHindsight> as Jesus my gardener would say: tis easier to buy the right tool the first time than buy the wrong tool twice
[17:18:23] <PetefromTn_> always
[17:18:24] <_methods> hehe
[17:18:30] <PetefromTn_> that works great when you can afford it
[17:18:50] <ssi> it's very hard to learn a new skill on poor equipment
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[17:19:00] <ssi> cause then you don't know whether to blame your equipment or your technique
[17:19:02] <archivist> I think this is like most precess industries, a steep learning curve till the process is learnt
[17:19:08] <archivist> process
[17:20:00] <PetefromTn_> well I could have told you all that it was all a smashing success and lied to you. But I figure maybe others might learn from this somehow.
[17:20:03] <CaptHindsight> like working with cheap or dull mills or drill bits
[17:20:10] <archivist> same as semiconductors http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33549916
[17:20:29] <CaptHindsight> you think it's you doing something wrong other than using the wrong cutting tools
[17:20:59] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, that's why i always say "pics or it never happened" on irc
[17:21:13] <archivist> when I make a special gear I go through a rinse repeat stage until I get a good one
[17:21:13] <CaptHindsight> so I've leaned to always blame the tools when something isn't going right :)
[17:21:26] <PetefromTn_> LOL well I posted pics just did not have to post the BAD pics hehe
[17:21:37] <Tom_itx> true.
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[17:22:13] <PetefromTn_> Let's face it for every website showing anodizing there must have been a BUNCH of failures that you never hear about before they took the GOOD pics hehe
[17:22:22] <ssi> oh hell yeah
[17:22:26] <ssi> I had tons of failures
[17:22:32] <ssi> and only a couple moderately good successes
[17:22:51] <ssi> like I told you when you jumped into it... it's not as easy as the websites make it sound :)
[17:23:04] <archivist> that tine contrate gear I made had one before that was a fail because I wire brushed the burs off (and rounded the teeth)
[17:23:07] <PetefromTn_> there are a bunch of youtube guys I watch and some ONLY show perfect successful parts and others are more realistic and show the entire process and failures/successes.
[17:23:08] <archivist> tiny
[17:23:40] <PetefromTn_> it is refreshing to see someone who is not afraid to show it all.
[17:24:03] <PetefromTn_> somehow it makes the successes seem that much more impressive
[17:25:43] <CaptHindsight> we used to setup small lab systems like Pete's to learn how to fix mistakes
[17:26:06] <PetefromTn_> gee thanks
[17:26:17] <CaptHindsight> and tweak chemistry
[17:26:26] <CaptHindsight> I was referring to the small tanks
[17:26:57] <CaptHindsight> easy to make lots of parts differently
[17:28:27] <archivist> did the water have something nasty in it, did the tanks come used or with release agent from the moulding still there
[17:28:46] <PetefromTn_> everything was brand new
[17:28:51] <PetefromTn_> water was bottled
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[17:29:31] <archivist> distilled?
[17:29:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[17:30:15] <PetefromTn_> still have several gallons in case I get thirsty :)
[17:30:32] <CaptHindsight> molding release agent would likely be a monomer/oligomer or silane, that could muck things up if in the baths
[17:30:39] <archivist> funny stuff is distilled water, it dissolves glass
[17:31:16] <ssi> eh?
[17:31:19] <Tom_itx> really?
[17:31:40] <archivist> yes test your water silicon level rises
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[17:36:08] <CaptHindsight> that is why they sell it in plastic jugs vs glass bottles :)
[17:36:28] <ssi> lol
[17:37:51] <CaptHindsight> reminds me of the frogs with no legs go deaf, http://www.itchyflight.com/deaf_frog_syndrome.html
[17:37:59] <archivist> from wp The highest grades of ultrapure water should not be stored in glass or plastic containers because these container materials leach (release) contaminants at very low concentrations.
[17:38:38] <ssi> what kind of containers should it be stored in?
[17:38:51] <archivist> that article claims tin
[17:38:54] <archivist> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purified_water
[17:39:15] <PetefromTn_> I thought they sold it in plastic bottles instead of glass jugs because it was cheap hehe
[17:39:28] <CaptHindsight> yeah
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[17:50:10] <spline> http://i.imgur.com/wJLi39D.jpg
[17:50:42] <PetefromTn_> har har he har
[17:50:47] <spline> hehe
[17:50:55] * spline dies from dihydrogen monoxide poisioning
[17:51:44] <PetefromTn_> drownin'?
[17:55:50] <greg___> I think I have to run a hole new line to get 240V in the garage. The conduit that runs out there already has 10 conductors in the basement, 8 current carrying. so would drop ampacity to 50% for all conductors if adding 2 more current carrying. Which means they all need to be the next size larger and then they don't fit.
[17:57:37] <greg___> romex is illegal, so that means new conduit, which I don't want to deal with
[17:58:59] <SpeedEvil> MICC
[17:59:02] <SpeedEvil> ?
[17:59:55] <furrywolf> bx or flex conduit?
[18:00:50] <furrywolf> what gauge do you need?
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[18:04:18] <greg___> 12awg for 20A.
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[18:04:37] <furrywolf> oh, that's easy then. just buy some 12/3 or 12/4 bx.
[18:05:35] <furrywolf> http://www.homedepot.com/p/AFC-Cable-Systems-250-ft-12-4-BX-AC-90-Solid-Cable-1406N42-AFC/205071013 like that.
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[18:07:09] <furrywolf> doesn't need to be in conduit, looks sexy. :P
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[18:11:15] <greg___> I didn't want to have to deal with drywall, but it's probably the only way at this point.
[18:18:28] <_methods> why is romex illegal?
[18:18:44] <spline> yeah why is romex illegal?
[18:18:56] <spline> unless its a commercial establishment, where everything has to be inside a metal conduit
[18:19:03] <greg___> just is, the entire chicago area has local code prohibiting
[18:19:10] <spline> oh, ouch
[18:19:24] <CaptHindsight> you have to keep the unions happy
[18:19:26] <spline> sounds like they "prohibit"
[18:19:27] <spline> yeah
[18:19:32] <spline> that's exactly it
[18:19:52] <spline> uhm pretty much providing you're running the proper gauge per amp rating, any type of "sheathing" is fine for NEC code
[18:20:01] <spline> romex, etc. or loose-stranded inside some type of conduit
[18:20:04] <CaptHindsight> they still sell it at Home Depot and similar
[18:20:07] <spline> yup
[18:20:22] <spline> you can buy rolls of 12/2 (did that for my 20a circuit on the air compressor), 12/3
[18:20:24] <spline> or buy by the foot
[18:20:32] <spline> or hit up whatever your local electrical supply warehouse is
[18:21:07] <CaptHindsight> it's also very difficult to get an electrical contractors license in Chicago
[18:21:13] <greg___> I thougt I was far enough away but our city alos prohibits
[18:21:18] <spline> CaptHindsight: any area like chicago, really.
[18:21:28] <spline> family member had to deal with that in nyc. worse there
[18:21:54] <_methods> and this is coming from teh guys that burnt their whole city down
[18:21:59] <_methods> i guess it makes sense
[18:22:13] <_methods> they're still a wee bit scared of that fire stuff lol
[18:22:24] <greg___> lol
[18:22:40] <CaptHindsight> unincorporated country land is about the only place you can use it within 60 miles of the city
[18:22:47] <spline> _methods: it's one thing to follow code and be safe; it's another when you're regulations basically prohibit you, even as a homeowner in a privately-owned dwelling from doing "anything" w/o a "contractor" (union)
[18:23:24] <CaptHindsight> Elgin, IL might still require all connections to be soldered
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[18:23:49] <_methods> yeah if they saw my garage wiring they'd have a fit
[18:23:50] <_methods> lol
[18:23:55] <spline> heh
[18:24:15] <greg___> there are two outlets in the garage, one is GFI, the other isn't on the same line, built in 1992.
[18:24:40] <spline> orig homeowner on my house, built in 1972, was an electrician. as I've fixed som ethings and redone others.. thankfully I still can
[18:24:59] <spline> basically everything till where the demarc is, if I "accept" risk, I can "legally" do it myself (and w/o permit)
[18:25:14] <spline> but once it's "not me" I'm "required" to hire a "licensed" contractor
[18:26:01] <greg___> Maybe back then laundry outlets didn't need GFI, neither the upstairs nor basement laundry receptable have it.
[18:26:16] <spline> nec code, when I last read, is 18" (some are 12"
[18:26:22] <greg___> wow receptacle
[18:26:23] <spline> for ground-fault if there's water
[18:26:36] <spline> I think nec is now 12", even though most were 12"
[18:26:54] <spline> kinda like: many new dwellings built literally "require" afci on every circuit
[18:27:25] <spline> electrician (neighbor) told me much of that has to do with the manufs lobbying.. all of us have survived fine on non-gfci or non-afci circuits for decades. .why now?
[18:27:36] <PetefromTn_> someone just attacked a marine Corps/navy/army recruiting station at a shopping mall in Chattanooga. Four US Marines are dead.
[18:27:40] <spline> not that it's a bad thing but the diff between a std single pole 15a breaker ($4 at depot) vs an afci one (440)
[18:27:41] <spline> huge
[18:27:58] <spline> but that "push" has to do with lobbying.. and you wind up paying the cost
[18:28:11] <spline> hate to digress on that topic and all
[18:28:23] <ssi> PetefromTn_: :/
[18:28:47] <PetefromTn_> I think they killed the shooter
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[18:32:41] <PetefromTn_> ssi thats not exactly far from you is it.
[18:33:40] <greg___> I'm sure cars were safe before seatbelts too, as long as you didn't crash or fall out. While tracing the wiring i found a cut in the wiring that was taped up. the copper was completely broken being held together by insulation. No doubt installed this way.
[18:36:03] <spline> heh
[18:36:20] <greg___> cars like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYMcNNDbQFo
[18:36:24] <spline> sounds like when I had a light in my basement (unfinished but part of a finished room) replaced. someone drilled a screw through it
[18:36:30] <spline> im lucky it was not arcing and didn't start a fire
[18:36:35] <roycroft> 15a afci breakers are more like $30, not $440
[18:36:44] <spline> damnit my bad
[18:36:53] <roycroft> and well worth the extra expense imo
[18:36:57] <spline> I was trying to post $40 but good to see they dropped
[18:37:04] <spline> oh, im not denying that
[18:37:23] <spline> and yeah ordered in bulk, and not from a boxstore, cheaper
[18:37:37] <spline> my point on it was.. if you want to pay for it, awesome. it's a good safety thing
[18:37:47] <spline> but what if the house/wiring was done right in the first place?
[18:38:09] <roycroft> at the very least i would make a belt and suspenders argument there
[18:38:47] <roycroft> when it comes to your child's potentially dying in a fire caused by an arc in a bedroom wall i think belt and suspenders is valid
[18:38:50] <greg___> It might still save you from bad appliances. I had a Foreman grill short the coils on.
[18:39:08] <greg___> poor assembly
[18:39:21] <roycroft> iirc, nec currently requires afci in bedroom circuits, but not for all house wiring
[18:39:27] <spline> the reason why lobbying goes on to require afci isn't safety. it's purely done on a "hey spend more money and buy out products" spirit
[18:39:27] <SpeedEvil> Or just don't use wire-nuts
[18:39:28] <spline> that's my issue
[18:39:34] <spline> and I hope an issue with others
[18:40:10] <spline> roycroft: don't recall seeing that in the last (2011) brief I read but maybe it changed
[18:40:10] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/gff9lU0.jpg Hmmmm
[18:40:13] <roycroft> i would agree in general with the problem of industry lobbies
[18:40:21] <greg___> I read that the standard for gfi outlets also changed
[18:40:24] <spline> PetefromTn_: ha
[18:40:26] <_methods> hahahah
[18:40:29] <_methods> brilliant
[18:40:33] <furrywolf> I've never seen an AFCI breaker, either installed or for sale.
[18:40:39] <furrywolf> I think we must be somewhat slow adopting them here.
[18:41:05] <spline> some of the "new developments" in my city do it
[18:41:06] <PetefromTn_> not a bad idea heh
[18:41:12] <roycroft> and suggest that we try to find another mechanism for educating legislators on important issues
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[18:41:31] <JT-Shop> dang took an hour to reboot my windblows 7 computer
[18:41:37] <roycroft> perhaps the use of non-industry, non-partisan professional organizations
[18:41:39] <_methods> jeeze
[18:41:40] <spline> when they're already using licensed electricians, who should be doing things properly
[18:41:40] <greg___> i have to see how much owrk getting from the basement to the garage will be
[18:41:42] <_methods> an hour?
[18:41:49] <roycroft> but then the money would be taken out of politics
[18:41:55] <greg___> uhoh I have 26 updates waiting when i reboot
[18:41:58] <roycroft> and our politicians would never go for that
[18:42:03] <JT-Shop> updating some crap
[18:42:17] <furrywolf> JT-Shop: that's pretty normal. I've seen it take several hours.
[18:42:31] <roycroft> i would argue, though, that effective and appropriate legislation is sometimes enacted in spite of lobbyists
[18:42:41] <spline> greg___: similar issue. my house was a cape. orig owner expanded the garage+connected via the family room
[18:42:52] <spline> I literally have no physical way to run even rg6 or cat5 to the basement w/o going outside
[18:42:58] <spline> looking to change that. trust me
[18:44:08] <JT-Shop> hammer drill
[18:45:01] <greg___> i was hoping to just pull two more wires, oh well coffee time and go poke around the walls.
[18:45:03] <PetefromTn_> you mean a cape cod?
[18:46:08] <furrywolf> greg___: if you have a crawlspace, basement, or attic, you can usually fish wires without drywall work.
[18:46:46] <furrywolf> even if you need to go sideways, as long as it's only several feet, you can buy special flexible drillbits. I have 48" ones in 1/2 and 3/4"...
[18:48:02] <furrywolf> I have also done L fishes, but they start getting really annoying...
[18:49:09] <PetefromTn_> http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2015/07/15/greg-jackson-has-passed-away/?utm_source=CNCCookbook+Blog+Posts&utm_campaign=dc1e072e8e-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_df8004b230-dc1e072e8e-29524681&mc_cid=dc1e072e8e&mc_eid=2378b87a42
[18:49:13] <PetefromTn_> Sad
[18:49:16] <greg___> basement butts up to garage onthe same wall I want the outlet, so it might not be bad, just not somethign I've done before.
[18:51:44] <furrywolf> just remember that you can only fish from a hole to a large opening, not the other way around, or between two holes, and plan how to do it. :)
[18:52:02] <_methods> holy crap i just had to do one of those type the letters you see in the box are you a human things
[18:52:07] <_methods> and it took me 15 tries
[18:52:42] <PetefromTn_> I know how you feel those things SUCK
[18:52:51] <_methods> that was brutal
[18:53:04] <_methods> the worst thing is that some are case sensitive and some are not
[18:53:18] <_methods> and none of them ever say hey this is case sensitive
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[18:55:46] <furrywolf> _methods: I often refuse to use sites that require those.
[18:56:25] <furrywolf> When I do get stuck using one, I assume they're all case sensitive.
[19:00:31] <furrywolf> you know, sometimes I like unions, sometimes I don't... and after reading about chicago's electrical code, I'm going to add that to the "don't" list.
[19:02:41] <furrywolf> after replacing the charger, I'm floating a gel-cell at 13.15V. think that's too low, and going to cause sulfation, or should I rule it good enough?
[19:03:06] <furrywolf> it's a chinese gel-cell with no specs available
[19:04:05] <SpeedEvil> That does sound too low
[19:04:12] <SpeedEvil> has current hit ~0?
[19:04:32] <furrywolf> yes
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[19:06:33] <furrywolf> it's within the range some random websites give, but outside of others...
[19:07:37] <SpeedEvil> I'd canvas some gel-cell sheets, I guess
[19:08:06] <furrywolf> I'm not even sure what chemistry it is exactly... generic chinese batteries often aren't labeled or aren't what they say. it just says "sealed". heh.
[19:08:48] <furrywolf> I bought an "AGM" battery a few weeks ago that spilled enough electrolyte in shipping to eat a hole clean through the packaging. obviously not actually an AGM, as there was liquid electrolyte not absorbed into a mat, and plenty of it.
[19:09:33] <SpeedEvil> Did you resolve thaT?
[19:09:39] <furrywolf> I'll probably just call it good enough. it's one of those portable jumpstart boxes. stock charger died, and my replacement is a slightly different voltage.
[19:09:53] <furrywolf> yeah, the seller claimed it was normal, and refused to offer a refund or replacement.
[19:10:00] <furrywolf> ... NORMAL.
[19:10:08] <furrywolf> to eat a hole through the packaging and into other people's mail.
[19:10:12] <SpeedEvil> ebay?
[19:10:17] <furrywolf> yep
[19:10:32] <SpeedEvil> Did you try the dispute resolution process?
[19:10:40] <furrywolf> not available to people who pay as a guest
[19:10:46] <SpeedEvil> ah
[19:11:36] <furrywolf> the jumpstart box uses a standard, off-the-self wallwart clamped to the inside of the case, with the prongs poking out the back, as the charger.
[19:11:46] <furrywolf> it died. I replaced it with a different one, but the voltage isn't quite the same.
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[19:41:55] <greg___> is this a real thing? http://www.ehydroponics.com/?action=product&id=883&cid=537
[19:42:27] <furrywolf> yes
[19:43:02] <furrywolf> and the CPSC already doesn't like them. :)
[19:43:41] <furrywolf> they're used so you can use the same control box off for either 120 or 240 grow rooms without replacing the plugs or outlets.
[19:44:13] <furrywolf> but, it also creates the possibility of mismatching the voltage of the device and the source, since it doesn't do any conversion, just relies on the user to only plug the appropriate devices in.
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[19:45:08] <furrywolf> looks like they're even selling that as a feature, so you can plug your 120V ballast cords into 240V if you have a switchable ballast...
[19:45:33] <furrywolf> the solution, of course, is to have absolutely nothing to do with growing pot.
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[19:57:09] <roycroft> growing pot is legal now, so no big deal even if it were
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[21:42:05] <membiblio> Does the Preview window, which shows the tool path, always match the operators view of the actual machine?
[21:42:32] <_methods> if you have it configured correctly it should
[21:43:03] <membiblio> Hey _methods - So the fact that mine is reversed - means that I've reversed some fundamental setting, right?
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[21:44:18] <_methods> yeah
[21:44:36] <_methods> just invert the axes that are backwards
[21:44:37] <JT-Shop> it should match the movement of the tool usually
[21:44:48] <membiblio> Ok thank you
[21:45:08] <JT-Shop> so right arrow moves the tool to the right etc
[21:46:37] <membiblio> Mine does that but I'm beginning to think that I need to watch the tool over the work piece - I think that aspect needs to be reversed. When I jog right my machine head moves right over the workpiece - wait that is right...
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[21:48:23] <JT-Shop> for example a normal mill the table moves left but the tool moves right in relation to the material when you jog right
[21:50:36] <membiblio> Yes - My tool moves left right, the table moves forward reverse
[21:51:31] <membiblio> My home switch is where it is - so my 0,0 coordinate is with the head moved all the way right and the tables moved all the way out forward
[21:52:38] <membiblio> I guess what I want to do is reverse that so my 0,0 is gantry moved all the way left and the tables pulled completely in - this is opposite configuration from home
[21:53:10] <membiblio> But this is a gantry - so you load it with the tables all the way pushed forward of the machine - right?
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[21:53:39] <membiblio> So basically my preview is ALWAYS going to be reversed
[21:54:04] <JT-Shop> home only sets the soft limits and is irrelevant for milling
[21:54:34] <membiblio> JT - can the machine 'hard' home and then 'soft' home?
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[22:01:07] <just_pink> hi
[22:04:07] <just_pink> what make the VMC different than milling machine that convert to a cnc
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[22:06:49] <tiwake> is a VMC a type of milling machine?
[22:06:55] <tiwake> terminology is weird
[22:07:26] <fenn> yes
[22:08:31] <fenn> vmc is typically enclosed and has tool changer, is less accessible to the operator than a bridgeport
[22:08:52] <tiwake> typically
[22:09:16] <tiwake> but when a VMC is not typically?
[22:09:16] <fenn> there are always exceptions...
[22:09:21] <just_pink> but if you say, I have converted milling machine you will get "nice" but if you will say I have VMC you will get WOW that it crazy!!
[22:09:43] <PetefromTn_> why is it crazy?
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[22:10:31] <greg___> a couple thousand$$ vs a couple ten thousand$$
[22:10:50] <PetefromTn_> greg___ it depends ;)
[22:10:58] <greg___> as always
[22:11:10] <greg___> but tha't what most people think
[22:11:37] <just_pink> so what i need to do to make my G0704 VMC
[22:11:44] <just_pink> ATC?
[22:11:59] <PetefromTn_> got a shrink ray you can set in reverse?
[22:12:09] <fenn> put a sticker that says "VMC" on it
[22:12:33] <_methods> a vmc is a vertical machining center
[22:12:34] <greg___> to me it's ATC and enclosure, size doesn't define it.
[22:12:43] <_methods> hmc is a horizontal machining center
[22:12:46] <just_pink> I know..
[22:12:52] <PetefromTn_> Vertical Machining Centers come in lots of shapes and sizes some of which are quite small
[22:13:06] <just_pink> what make the machin to > "machining center"
[22:13:31] <PetefromTn_> generally a VMC is considered a toolchanger equipped vertical mill with a full or partial enclosure
[22:13:33] <just_pink> machine* (sorry long nails)
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[22:13:34] <_methods> salesmen?
[22:13:59] <_methods> they can turn anything into something else
[22:14:00] <_methods> lol
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[22:14:05] <_methods> it's what they get paid to do
[22:14:11] <PetefromTn_> they can sell ice to an eskimo
[22:14:12] <just_pink> he he
[22:15:11] <fenn> if haas could trademark VMC they would have
[22:15:35] <PetefromTn_> Personally I think it is REALLY cool that a girl with long pink fingernails is interested at all in a CNC conversion hehe
[22:15:49] <zeeshan-lab> flirters
[22:15:55] <PetefromTn_> most are busy facebookin'
[22:16:40] <zeeshan-lab> im glad my gf isn't into cnc's
[22:16:47] <zeeshan-lab> that'd annoy me!
[22:16:57] <zeeshan-lab> cars i don't mind though :D
[22:17:26] <zeeshan-lab> PetefromTn_: did you do more anodizing
[22:17:51] <just_pink> my husband dont know how to drill 2 strat holes or how to hang a picture on the wall without splitting the wall.
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[22:18:25] <just_pink> but he wash the dishes and clean the house
[22:18:43] <PetefromTn_> I can't even get my wife to hardly walk out in the shop most of the time he
[22:18:45] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[22:18:54] <zeeshan-lab> i gotta force mine in
[22:19:01] <zeeshan-lab> she actually helped me move the mikron
[22:19:02] <zeeshan-lab> !!
[22:19:03] <just_pink> strate *
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[22:19:30] <PetefromTn_> my wife helped me move the VMC into the shop and we were both half scared shitless of dropping it on us
[22:19:43] <zeeshan-lab> hahahaha!
[22:19:46] <zeeshan-lab> same here
[22:19:54] <zeeshan-lab> it was a bonding moment for me and her
[22:19:59] <PetefromTn_> Damn thing is REALLY heavy
[22:20:06] <zeeshan-lab> did you use skates
[22:20:09] <zeeshan-lab> or pipes
[22:20:19] <PetefromTn_> and it's not like you can just throw your weight into it and move it
[22:20:52] <PetefromTn_> every other machine I had in here including a bigass manual lathe I could at least budge around but not this thing..forget about it.
[22:21:13] <PetefromTn_> we used rented skates and cribbage along with a porta power ram
[22:21:14] <zeeshan-lab> yep
[22:21:15] <just_pink> my machine it's 200Kg~ with the motors
[22:21:16] <fenn> compressed air and an upside down air hockey table
[22:21:22] <just_pink> and i can move it.
[22:21:26] <zeeshan-lab> fenn too much work
[22:21:28] <just_pink> can"T
[22:21:35] <just_pink> not move at all.
[22:21:36] <zeeshan-lab> you need a prettylevel floor to do that
[22:21:44] <zeeshan-lab> a big pry bar and skates works decent
[22:21:51] <PetefromTn_> I have seen those air pads and people move VERY heavy things with them.
[22:22:07] <greg___> yeah GE moves locomotives like that
[22:22:09] <PetefromTn_> but as you said the floor must be smooth and flat
[22:22:22] <just_pink> I'me make a 4" wood base for it.
[22:22:42] <greg___> furrywolf, I'm thinking of running new bx or conduit parallel to the existing to the last box where I don't have the number of conductors problem. i don't know if that's acceptable two conduits through boxes. after that just use existing conduit.
[22:22:46] <zeeshan-lab> PetefromTn_: i bet those skates would move you!
[22:22:47] <zeeshan-lab> fatty
[22:22:52] <zeeshan-lab> :-) jk
[22:23:01] <fenn> what about putting down a smooth layer of sheet plastic to act as an air bearing surface
[22:23:10] <zeeshan-lab> greg that is perfectly fine.
[22:23:28] <zeeshan-lab> junction boxes have multiple conduits coming to them all the time
[22:23:29] <fenn> the air pads swivel around to adjust to imperfections in the floor
[22:23:37] <greg___> great
[22:23:59] <greg___> that's the best solution for me
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[22:24:16] <zeeshan-lab> yea you wont have to fish the old wire out
[22:24:24] <zeeshan-lab> youre running 12 awg?
[22:24:27] <just_pink> what it the impurtant I/O in the control panel?
[22:24:31] <greg___> yes
[22:24:38] <zeeshan-lab> thats easy :P
[22:24:40] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan what gave you the idea I am fat?
[22:24:45] <just_pink> I have motors, temp sensors
[22:24:47] <zeeshan-lab> PetefromTn_: you are far from fat
[22:24:51] <just_pink> main power
[22:24:59] <zeeshan-lab> i was just trolling
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[22:25:18] <fenn> PetefromTn_: it's the "fromTn" that gave it away
[22:25:20] <just_pink> limit swiches.
[22:25:23] <zeeshan-lab> LOL
[22:25:26] <just_pink> stack light
[22:25:34] <PetefromTn_> heh I am not SKINNY tho
[22:25:34] <zeeshan-lab> LOL
[22:25:42] <zeeshan-lab> you habe a stack light for your 0704
[22:25:42] <zeeshan-lab> LOL
[22:25:51] <PetefromTn_> the "from TN" is just a temporary thing BELIEVE me
[22:25:53] <just_pink> I make the list now..
[22:25:59] <zeeshan-lab> PetefromTn_: you look like a normal build
[22:26:02] <zeeshan-lab> from the last pic i saw of you
[22:26:31] <just_pink> zeeshan-lab: (it's going to be 1K+ panel...)
[22:26:59] <just_pink> zeeshan-lab: it's baby stack light
[22:27:26] <fenn> just_pink: a jog wheel (digital input knob) is a nice thing to have
[22:27:51] <just_pink> I have wireless
[22:28:03] <just_pink> It's go in to the computer.
[22:28:05] <greg___> yeah I need a pendant for my mill
[22:28:27] <just_pink> " have something that it's not for cnc
[22:28:31] <zeeshan-lab> man no matter how many times i blow up these films
[22:28:33] <just_pink> I wan on the media center
[22:28:36] <zeeshan-lab> they still scare the crap out of me
[22:28:55] <just_pink> It's the lenovo remote keyboard
[22:32:00] <just_pink> I take a pic of it
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[22:32:28] <greg___> zeeshan-lab you just need to experience a few magazines though a .45
[22:32:42] <PetefromTn_> http://boingboing.net/2015/06/23/motorcycle-helmets-that-look-l.html Dafuk?
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[22:33:13] <greg___> sheet
[22:33:16] <tiwake> greg___: or a .454 casull :3
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[22:33:46] <PetefromTn_> never really cared for big caliber pistolas not a huge fan of recoil
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[22:34:24] <tiwake> PetefromTn_: with all the mass most of them have, it generally makes shooting them a lot of fun
[22:34:39] <PetefromTn_> dunno man I have shot most of them
[22:34:58] <just_pink> cool
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[22:35:04] <PetefromTn_> even shot a .50 BMG bolt action once...that was kinda miserable
[22:35:11] <_methods> i think beards kill people
[22:35:12] <_methods> not guns
[22:35:17] <PetefromTn_> paid for three shots...only took two
[22:35:43] <tiwake> there are some pretty light weight .50BMG rifles around
[22:36:08] <tiwake> you want one that weighs maybe 30lbs
[22:36:09] <PetefromTn_> this one had a HUGE recoil pad on it and a really good brake but it STILL was some kinda hit and I am not a little guy...
[22:36:14] <zeeshan-lab> greg
[22:36:18] <tiwake> the AW50 is something like 45lbs
[22:36:21] <zeeshan-lab> its the anticipation
[22:36:23] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/xf8Qnq8.png
[22:36:27] <zeeshan-lab> that makes me jump
[22:36:29] <just_pink> this is the remote
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[22:36:49] <PetefromTn_> is that your keyboard?
[22:36:57] <_methods> pew pew
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[22:37:05] <zeeshan-lab> your nails creep my out
[22:37:06] <zeeshan-lab> :(
[22:37:26] <just_pink> for the cnc
[22:37:26] <PetefromTn_> I kinda like em' :D
[22:37:42] <fenn> is there a knob? it looks like a click button in the middle
[22:37:48] <PetefromTn_> I mean her name IS just pink after all
[22:37:54] <just_pink> yed
[22:38:17] <just_pink> I love pink on anything
[22:38:30] <just_pink> but the machine it green (hate it)
[22:38:38] <PetefromTn_> that can be fixed
[22:38:40] <tiwake> lol
[22:38:41] <greg___> but don't paint it pink
[22:38:46] <PetefromTn_> my RF45 was green
[22:38:47] <tiwake> you could put a pinkie pie sticker on it
[22:38:56] <PetefromTn_> when i sold it it was an off white.
[22:38:57] <greg___> my lathe is cream and maroon
[22:39:20] <greg___> the highschool it came from painted it school colors
[22:39:54] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ha-3hzgFiQ sorry for the crappy video
[22:40:01] <just_pink> but the cool about the small keyboard is the ability to insert code from it, and not just move the machine.
[22:40:02] <greg___> My Emco project lathe is yellow
[22:40:42] <just_pink> PetefromTn_: mach3....
[22:40:59] <PetefromTn_> yep sorry it was before I knew better ;)
[22:41:24] <just_pink> I need to finish the panel..
[22:41:27] <just_pink> hate it...
[22:41:38] <just_pink> soo slooow
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[22:44:21] <just_pink> the ABB E-stop it's soo cute
[22:45:13] <just_pink> I want to make a drawer handle from it
[22:45:37] <fenn> http://www.iec.ch/etech/2013/etech_0413/pic_tc/tc-2_emergency_stop_switch_.jpg
[22:45:49] <just_pink> fenn: junk
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[22:48:21] <fenn> http://www.neweysonline.co.uk/neweys/images/site/products/large/044_1008_MO00_FAK-R-KC11-I_large._1.4.p1_.jpg
[22:48:41] <just_pink> my main switch its 3 connectors how many to connect?
[22:48:42] <tiwake> I love big red buttons
[22:49:12] <PetefromTn_> gotta have a functioning big red button fer sure
[22:49:14] <fenn> probably one is normally open and one is normally closed
[22:49:39] <SpeedEvil> I like big buttons and I cannot lie.
[22:49:42] <tiwake> just need a big rocket connected to the big red button
[22:49:46] <greg___> this one? http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productview.aspx?SKU=70094229
[22:50:52] <fenn> oh apparently that button is "fine art" http://www.moma.org/interactives/exhibitions/2011/talktome/objects/145464/
[22:52:58] <PetefromTn_> I would not want that last one on my machine...I would be worried it would start talking to me
[22:53:32] <PetefromTn_> http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/HAL-9000-Screensaver1.jpg
[22:53:43] <just_pink> greg___: yes that the one I have
[22:56:04] <just_pink> http://i.imgur.com/1TqJubR.png
[22:56:29] <just_pink> those are the E stop(s) and the main switch
[22:56:39] <just_pink> you see the 3 connectors
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[22:57:03] <just_pink> 3 on the top and 3 on the bottom
[22:57:35] <just_pink> PetefromTn_: tiwake fenn greg___ ?
[22:58:21] <PetefromTn_> just_pink not sure what you are asking me
[22:58:35] <fenn> get a multimeter and measure the resistance between them
[22:58:36] <greg___> I just rewired a machine that was setup for 4 wires to two. You just use as many as you need.
[22:58:43] <greg___> they should be labeled.
[22:58:46] <tiwake> what?
[22:59:07] <just_pink> IT has 6 terminals 3 and 3
[22:59:19] <greg___> 123 and 456
[22:59:35] <just_pink> I have just one phase.
[23:00:01] <just_pink> so to use just one pair?
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[23:00:52] <greg___> sorry they should be marked 135 on input and 246 on out connect to 1,3 on input and 2,4 on out.
[23:00:54] <PetefromTn_> what are you trying to do?
[23:01:00] <just_pink> or to connect also the neutral and the ground?
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[23:01:52] <just_pink> PetefromTn_: this is going to be the main swiche og the panel.
[23:02:07] <PetefromTn_> the estop?
[23:02:41] <just_pink> no..
[23:03:02] <just_pink> the big yellow/red one
[23:03:07] <greg___> 120 or 240?
[23:03:19] <just_pink> 110V
[23:03:21] <PetefromTn_> oh main contactor or something
[23:03:56] <just_pink> main switch disconnect anything > the e-stop connect to the contactor
[23:04:29] <PetefromTn_> it would probably help if you told people how you intend to wire up the machine and what your system is stepper or servo, does it have drives with onboard power or seperate power supplies etc.
[23:04:36] <just_pink> but the main switch have 3 pairs of connectors,
[23:05:02] <just_pink> servo based
[23:05:14] <just_pink> with G320x
[23:05:23] <just_pink> 72V 20A
[23:06:38] <greg___> So you have one hot and one neutral. the manual disconnect should disconnect all lines, except ground.
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[23:07:57] <just_pink> greg___: so to use just 2 pairs of connectors,?
[23:08:13] <just_pink> greg___: ^
[23:10:37] <greg___> right, you don't have anything else to connect, I suppose using the two outer sets of contacts is safer
[23:11:27] <just_pink> it's rated for 680V 40A
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[23:11:38] <greg___> plenty
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[23:12:04] <just_pink> ans it has a plase for 3 contractor locks
[23:12:43] <just_pink> שמג*
[23:12:46] <just_pink> and*
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[23:14:06] <greg___> I just plug my machine in, maybe in the next ten years I'll do it right.
[23:14:33] <fenn> light switch
[23:14:49] <just_pink> WHAT?
[23:14:54] <just_pink> light switch??
[23:15:21] <just_pink> it is how it will get appoved?
[23:15:22] <Roguish> just_pink: it's highly recommended that you start a simple drawing schematic of all the wiring, stating with what you know and adding to it as you learn. Keeping track of all the wires will really help you, and anyone helping you. start with good old fashioned pencil and paper. and use the power of 'google' or 'bing' or whatever search think you like.
[23:15:36] <fenn> hey it's not a vertical machining center
[23:16:14] <just_pink> Roguish: I did it.
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[23:16:24] <just_pink> vor the motors part
[23:16:42] <just_pink> now I need to do it for the limit swiches
[23:16:49] <just_pink> and the HMI
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[23:17:42] <just_pink> Linux cnc support modbus?
[23:19:11] <cpresser> yes
[23:19:34] <fenn> not sure why you would want to use modbus unless you had to
[23:19:48] * cpresser uses modbus for the spindle vfd
[23:20:53] <just_pink> what make it better than LPT?
[23:21:42] <tiwake> I should get back to machining and stuff
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[23:21:52] <Roguish> cool. start a little project web site like a Weebly or something. It may sound corny, but again it will really help you talk about it and get assistance.
[23:21:52] <Roguish> get familiar with Pastebin and Imagebin
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[23:22:56] <just_pink> what make the I/O for the modbus?
[23:23:42] <fenn> "In Linuxcnc I used the mb2hal module to poll the VFD for some temperature, load, status statistics. I then display these in a PyVCP panel.
[23:23:49] <fenn> from http://linuxcnc-g0704.blogspot.com/2014/08/vfd-control-in-linuxcnc.html
[23:24:36] <just_pink> the Mesa 7i76 is modbus to pci?
[23:25:31] <fenn> i don't think so
[23:26:18] <just_pink> so.. what take my inputs and make them mudbus?
[23:27:39] <fenn> why do you want to use modbus?
[23:28:01] <just_pink> tons of I/O
[23:28:45] <PetefromTn_> modbus is just thru a serial port on my VMC
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[23:29:06] <PetefromTn_> I use it to control the spindle and feedback load metering and spindle speed etc.
[23:29:25] <just_pink> feedback load metering?
[23:29:27] <PetefromTn_> I will probably be switching back to analog spindle control here soon because I cannot use the orient with it
[23:29:29] <fenn> apparently this will work (USB to RS-485 adapter) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009SIDMNM/
[23:30:00] <PetefromTn_> it just shows how much the spindle is working hard on an simulated LED on the axis display
[23:30:29] <PetefromTn_> do you have mesanet cards/
[23:30:45] <just_pink> no, just 2 C10
[23:31:14] <PetefromTn_> OK I had the C11G board on my Rf45 build
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[23:31:32] <PetefromTn_> it had onboard spindle 0-10v output
[23:33:04] <PetefromTn_> I did setup modbus spindle control eventually on that machine as well to control the Teco VFD I used
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[23:34:03] <just_pink> so I will stay ith my 2 C10..
[23:34:12] <sector_0> anyone here ever used epoxy on their CNC machines?
[23:34:34] <just_pink> now I need to deside what to do with the left overs..
[23:34:50] <just_pink> one G320X and one servo motor..
[23:35:07] <just_pink> sector_0: what do you mean use?
[23:36:02] <sector_0> just_pink, basically I want to know if it can be used in place of welding
[23:36:26] <sector_0> since I don't have welding equipment nor the expertise
[23:36:34] <just_pink> hoo you mean to level it?
[23:36:52] <just_pink> ot instad of walding?
[23:37:10] <just_pink> like JB-weld
[23:37:37] <just_pink> sector_0: ?
[23:37:39] <sector_0> just_pink, yes
[23:38:00] <sector_0> i want to use jb weld to construct the frame in stead of welding
[23:38:04] <sector_0> *instead
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[23:38:43] <just_pink> JB-weld work nice but it's fragile
[23:39:35] <just_pink> If hit it with hammer it will break off
[23:40:05] <fenn> usually epoxy is used to ensure a good stable and flat mounting of bolted joints
[23:40:35] <sector_0> ohh
[23:40:44] <fenn> it's not really a substitute for welding. you need a lot of surface area
[23:40:45] <sector_0> bummer that's not the answer I was hoping to receive
[23:41:03] <PetefromTn_> sector_0 there are many ways to build a CNC machine without welding in fact most do not require welding at all.
[23:41:29] <fenn> welding introduces distortion and can change shape over time
[23:41:33] <PetefromTn_> many people make CNC machines from 8020 aluminum extrusions and even MDF
[23:42:05] <_methods> even hot glue guns
[23:42:13] <fenn> concrete
[23:42:19] <PetefromTn_> some make them from aluminum plate bolted and screwed together
[23:42:22] <cpresser> extusion-profiles make nice machines. but dont expect to do heavy cuts with them :)
[23:42:22] <_methods> broken cd drives
[23:42:26] <sector_0> _methods, so hot glue holds up better than epoxy?
[23:42:42] <_methods> um......
[23:42:49] <archivist> no
[23:42:53] <sector_0> and also are the above properties true for just JB weld or all epoxy?
[23:43:05] <just_pink> sector_0: where are you from?
[23:43:16] <just_pink> NY?
[23:43:16] <sector_0> just_pink, Caribbean
[23:43:28] <fenn> most (all?) epoxies are below 10ksi
[23:44:26] <cpresser> the website of 3M has a selector which helps to do some calculations and estimates for different expoxy systems
[23:44:56] <just_pink> sector_0: what kind a machin do you want to make?
[23:45:52] * cpresser used epoxy to glue the broken arm of my robot: https://imgur.com/a/hMXxF
[23:46:50] <SpeedEvil> Speaking very generally - you don't ever want to closely approach yield strength of any material in a CNC platform (other than at the tool edge) as that will cause large deflections
[23:46:53] <sector_0> just_pink, a router
[23:47:04] <sector_0> don't intend to route anything harder than wood
[23:47:09] <SpeedEvil> So glue can be quite unimportant
[23:47:16] <_methods> that's what everyone says
[23:47:25] <_methods> then you make one that can only cut wood
[23:47:32] <_methods> and 5 min later you want one that cuts alum
[23:47:35] <_methods> then you want steel
[23:47:39] <_methods> then inconel
[23:47:44] <_methods> then adamantium
[23:48:01] <PetefromTn_> I want to mill me some adamantium ;)
[23:48:11] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B2a6l6wM2k
[23:48:12] <just_pink> sector_0: what size?
[23:48:33] <PetefromTn_> I will make me some wolverine claws only with a PetefromTn Flair...!!
[23:48:49] <PetefromTn_> maybe some highly champfered lightening holes
[23:49:02] <just_pink> sector_0 like A4 size? 20 X30 cm?
[23:49:03] <PetefromTn_> and some subtle elegant curves
[23:49:11] <sector_0> just_pink, yeah about that size
[23:49:17] <sector_0> just for hobby purposes
[23:49:40] <just_pink> just for hobby purposes I spent about 5K...
[23:50:13] <PetefromTn_> still can't believe that heh
[23:50:48] <cpresser> sector_0: you can get mills with steppers of that size for <1k from ebay/aliexpress/...
[23:51:16] <sector_0> cpresser, just_pink O_O
[23:51:20] <sector_0> wow
[23:51:31] * SpeedEvil imagines an A4 sized stepper
[23:51:59] <cpresser> :P
[23:52:00] <cpresser> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MINI-COMPUTER-CONTROLLED-CNC-3040T-3-AXIS-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-MACHINE-ENGRAVING-/171851263725?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2803222eed
[23:52:16] <PetefromTn_> http://www.microcarve.com/mcMV1.html Always thought this was a tidy design and could be built pretty cheap
[23:53:00] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[23:53:35] <just_pink> PetefromTn_: motors = 1500 conversion kit 900 control panel 1K and growing every day, the G0704 1100+ tools and new electrical panel wiring.. brakeout board ( I have more than 10)
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[23:53:45] <just_pink> way above 5K..
[23:54:09] <PetefromTn_> Ok
[23:54:10] <sector_0> cpresser, that one's actually not that bad thanks
[23:54:15] <sector_0> think I might look into it
[23:54:16] <just_pink> I didn't count the gas,,
[23:54:29] <PetefromTn_> sounds like you paid way too much for your components
[23:54:45] <cpresser> sector_0: be aware that those are 'chinese crap'. but still, its worth the money :)
[23:55:01] <cpresser> sector_0: those machines do work and are usable.
[23:55:39] <just_pink> the motors it the NEMA34 from automation tecnologies
[23:55:55] <just_pink> the biggest set..
[23:56:09] <just_pink> the machine fly with tham.
[23:56:24] <just_pink> 10M /M
[23:56:45] <just_pink> I had to slow tam down..
[23:57:18] <sector_0> cpresser, thanks for the heads up
[23:57:35] <PetefromTn_> just_pink I am not trying to put your machine down or your components
[23:57:41] <just_pink> sector_0: you can make from PVC
[23:58:14] <PetefromTn_> its just that most people who build an 0704 use steppers and usually nema 23 and that is typically more than sufficient for a machine of that size
[23:58:55] <just_pink> PetefromTn_: I have astepper motor as a door stopper..
[23:59:21] <PetefromTn_> trust me I am a servo junkie too you are preaching to the choir
[23:59:41] <_methods> lol i've seen eztrak's go at auction for $2k
[23:59:47] <_methods> working eztraks