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[00:22:42] <zeeshan|2> where can one buy an assortment of different ball sizes
[00:22:50] <zeeshan|2> (other than online)
[00:24:01] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/g9Gyz
[00:24:59] <malcom2073> zeeshan|2: Ace hardware, or any other hardware store?
[00:25:14] <zeeshan|2> i dont think ive seen them at home depot before
[00:25:30] <malcom2073> No, not a home improvement store
[00:25:32] <malcom2073> a hardware store
[00:26:01] <zeeshan|2> fastshitall seems to list em by size
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[00:26:28] <malcom2073> Is that a euphemism for something?
[00:26:34] <zeeshan|2> fastenal
[00:26:34] <zeeshan|2> :D
[00:26:42] <malcom2073> They may, never been in one
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[00:29:42] <furrywolf> fastenal is rather worthless.
[00:30:32] <furrywolf> they won't have what you need in stock, so they'll order it, but you have to order 50 or 100 at a time, and they charge you for shipping, even though it comes on their freight truck with their regular order.
[00:31:19] <zeeshan|2> lol at least they order it for you
[00:31:26] <zeeshan|2> here they wont even talk to you unless you're a "registered business"
[00:31:35] <zeeshan|2> (was trying to order shit for school)
[00:31:44] <zeeshan|2> but from the sounds of it
[00:31:48] <zeeshan|2> there are some good locations
[00:31:49] <zeeshan|2> not all are shit
[00:31:53] <furrywolf> but despite the allusion to "all" in the name, they actually don't have any better selection than the hardware store can order.
[00:32:41] <furrywolf> in other news, I just got one of the eu6500ises running... needs a tuneup, as it surges badly at low low loads, but it ran a 5000W test load with no major issues.
[00:33:02] <furrywolf> also, it's now the THIRD generator I've found with a broken off gas can spout inside the tank. I hate california. hate.
[00:33:58] <furrywolf> see, in all the normal states, a spout is a piece of plastic or metal. it's simple, and it works. but not in california. nooooo. in california, spouts are required to be multi-part assemblies with valves and vapor recovery.
[00:34:15] <furrywolf> the end result being they spill all over, every time you use them, and then break and dump gas all over.
[00:34:24] <furrywolf> causing about a thousand times the pollution they're supposed to prevent.
[00:35:51] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:35:54] <zeeshan|2> cali spec emission
[00:35:55] <zeeshan|2> game over
[00:37:18] <furrywolf> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/07/1342736/-Has-anyone-purchased-a-new-gas-can-lately
[00:38:10] <furrywolf> "The new gas cans with CARB-compliant spouts require three hands (at a minimum) to operate, inevitably cause the user to spill far more gasoline with each refuel of a lawn mower than he managed to spill over the previous decade in total" my experience completely confirms this statement.
[00:40:11] <malcom2073> I wonder if anyone sells the old style solid plastic totally open spouts
[00:40:22] <furrywolf> not legally. :)
[00:40:34] <furrywolf> however, tractor supply has a shelf of them... "replacement water can spouts" :P
[00:40:38] <malcom2073> Lol
[00:40:39] <malcom2073> Nice
[00:40:51] <malcom2073> Sorta like "offroad use only" tags on car stuff
[00:40:52] <malcom2073> love it
[00:41:06] <furrywolf> you're supposed to screw them to the blue water cans. however, they have the same thread, are the same shape, made from the same plastic...
[00:41:34] <malcom2073> I'd like to think that's intentional, but who knows nowadays
[00:42:50] <os1r1s> _methods: You use radius mode on your lathe, right?
[00:43:58] <_methods> i have used radius and diameter
[00:44:20] <_methods> personally i prefer radius
[00:45:39] <os1r1s> _methods: I'm trying to gfigure out homing switches on the lathe. So you would set X as a min switch at X0, but Z at the max
[00:46:07] <furrywolf> where do you home a lathe to when you have a cutoff tool mounted on the backside of the table?
[00:46:09] <_methods> well i would set them at max dist away from spindle
[00:46:23] <_methods> max x+ and max z+
[00:46:26] <os1r1s> So on a 3.5x17 lathe, you would use X0 with a range of 0-1.75 and Z at Z17 with a range of 0-17
[00:46:44] <_methods> yeah
[00:46:53] <os1r1s> But you prefer X max?
[00:47:05] <_methods> i would have home to x max yeah
[00:47:11] <_methods> you don't want to home towards the spindle
[00:47:35] <os1r1s> Gotcha
[00:47:50] <os1r1s> But as long as the sequence is Z,X, I would think it would be ok
[00:48:05] <_methods> i normally do x then z
[00:48:11] <os1r1s> But its the total range cut in half that I was most curious about.
[00:48:17] <_methods> move away from the spindle then towards tailstock
[00:48:27] <os1r1s> I've not had homing on a lathe yet :)
[00:48:29] <furrywolf> I don't know if I'll even implement homing in lathe mode... too many unpredictable things to hit on my machine.
[00:49:40] <_methods> well i've had more crashes on lathes than mills ill tell you that
[00:49:47] <_methods> you can get in trouble real fast
[00:51:06] <_methods> i'm guessing you dont have a turret on that lathe though
[00:51:11] <_methods> so that makes things a little less crazy
[00:51:24] <furrywolf> heh
[00:51:37] <furrywolf> I have a lathe/mill combo machine... there's annoyingly many ways to hit things while homing.
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[00:52:14] <Rab> furrywolf, looooooool, thanks for the tip on the TSC "water can replacement spout".
[00:52:28] <furrywolf> Rab: :)
[00:52:29] <Rab> http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/ez-pour-water-can-replacement-spout-kit
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[00:53:59] <JT-MOBILE> What's up
[00:54:27] <Rab> Hmm, they also sell a version that's actually advertised for that purpose:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/ez-pour-universal-replacement-spout-kit
[00:55:23] <JT-MOBILE> I updated one of my cans with that
[00:55:37] <Rab> Both made from HDPE, I guess the only difference is white/black.
[00:55:59] <furrywolf> I think the only difference is the color.
[00:56:25] <furrywolf> they only had the water can one at the TSC here, probably because it's california. fit my plastic gas can perfectly.
[00:56:40] <furrywolf> they even come with a new vent, so you can drill a hole in your ventless can and push it in. :P
[00:58:13] <Rab> One must wonder when they'll start selling 100W edison-base space heaters.
[00:58:38] <JT-MOBILE> lol
[00:58:50] <furrywolf> that happen to have high-temperature tungsten heating elements in an evauated envelope?
[00:58:56] <furrywolf> evacuated
[00:59:20] <Rab> Indeed, with high-visibility activity indicator.
[00:59:39] <furrywolf> actually, modern LED lamps are getting pretty good. I don't have any incandescent lamps anymore.
[01:00:15] <furrywolf> CFLs are garbage, old LEDs are garbage, but the new LED lamps are perfectly usable, and quite cheap. Costco currently has 3-packs of 60W equivalent LED lamps for $10.something.
[01:00:21] <Rab> Neither do I. Seems like an insane way to use power.
[01:01:18] <Rab> A little more justifiable in the northern US states.
[01:01:34] <furrywolf> http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/no-spill-inc-2-1-2-gal-gas-can-carb-compliant?cm_vc=IOPDP1 I have one of those... it's the least-evil of the california gas cans.
[01:01:52] <furrywolf> brb
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[01:08:51] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/4ZPzaHx.jpg hehehehe
[01:09:33] <_methods> wow
[01:09:40] <_methods> minty
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[01:56:11] <PetefromTn_> man I need to come up with some new ideas for CNC machined products to sell!
[01:58:26] <PetefromTn_> Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations
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[02:11:38] <zeeshan|2> take a ball bearing
[02:11:40] <zeeshan|2> and mill a flit on it
[02:11:44] <zeeshan|2> and call it a chewy ball
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[02:23:51] <PetefromTn_> what's a flit?
[02:23:55] <zeeshan|2> flat sorry
[02:24:14] <zeeshan|2> sorry it was a dumb suggestion
[02:24:19] <zeeshan|2> i dunno if you follow the youtubers
[02:24:25] <PetefromTn_> what's a chewy ball?
[02:24:26] <zeeshan|2> but a guy lite4rally did that, and started selling them
[02:24:31] <zeeshan|2> its a ball with a flat on it
[02:24:47] <PetefromTn_> never heard of it.
[02:24:54] <zeeshan|2> its such a common thing to use in setup
[02:24:57] <zeeshan|2> even tom lipton was like
[02:25:04] <zeeshan|2> "hey chuck, you know we use these all the itme"
[02:25:06] <zeeshan|2> *time
[02:25:10] <zeeshan|2> but you know he was trying to be nice
[02:25:45] <PetefromTn_> Who is Tom Lipton?
[02:26:00] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGTapRUv_4I
[02:26:02] <zeeshan|2> go to 8:14
[02:26:09] <zeeshan|2> for some reason i cant copy the link with the time
[02:26:20] <zeeshan|2> https://youtu.be/rGTapRUv_4I?t=498
[02:26:21] <zeeshan|2> there we go
[02:26:43] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/rGTapRUv_4I?t=8m14s
[02:27:06] <PetefromTn_> I usually use a rod or tig wire
[02:27:15] <zeeshan|2> its not the same
[02:27:20] <zeeshan|2> watch the video
[02:33:19] <zeeshan|2> i think i can use that same idea with my manifold mounting
[02:34:42] * zeeshan|2 draws up something
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[02:37:23] <PetefromTn_> I must be missing something but I don't see how that is any different from my dowel pins I use for the same purpose
[02:38:25] <zeeshan|2> as it allows for misalignment in 2 planes
[02:38:27] <zeeshan|2> not just one
[02:39:42] <zeeshan|2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEboYPLrfHc
[02:39:45] <zeeshan|2> this video shows it
[02:39:49] <zeeshan|2> in detail
[02:39:52] <zeeshan|2> if you have the patience :)
[02:40:38] <zeeshan|2> https://youtu.be/XEboYPLrfHc?t=1016
[02:40:39] <zeeshan|2> there
[02:40:42] <zeeshan|2> only gotta watch for 5 min
[02:40:46] <zeeshan|2> not 27 min
[02:43:12] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/g9Gyz
[02:43:21] <zeeshan|2> i wonder if putting a flat on the ball is a better idea
[02:43:24] <zeeshan|2> than just leaving it spherical
[02:43:27] <zeeshan|2> for my application
[02:43:41] <zeeshan|2> my intuition says a flat is better cause you have more surface area of contwact
[02:43:42] <zeeshan|2> vs a point
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[03:39:45] <CaptHindsight> are there any tools out there for generating G-code where there is no machining involved? So not CAM, just programming motion, pauses etc
[03:40:44] <CaptHindsight> say you want to program a cartesion robot but you don't know G-code?
[03:41:40] <pcw_home> filter to convert what you have to gcode?
[03:43:39] <CaptHindsight> lets say you're just a lab tech without G-code experience
[03:43:58] <CaptHindsight> you have a Linuxcnc controlled Cartesian robot
[03:44:42] <CaptHindsight> you want to program it to pick and place or dispense something into various locations etc
[03:47:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.opentrons.com/ they aren't using Linuxcnc
[03:48:29] <CaptHindsight> but it looks like they will have a easier to use programming interface
[03:49:59] <CaptHindsight> no g-code for the lab tech
[03:57:47] <furrywolf> grrr. got this eu6500is all back together, but I can't seem to make it stop surging at low rpm.
[03:58:43] <furrywolf> carb looked spotless, blew through all passages with brake cleaner, all were nice and clear, no change. new air filter, new spark plug, no change. fuel supply is good. set valve lash, it was pretty loose, but no change. spark arrestor is clean.
[03:59:39] <furrywolf> oiled throttle linkage, no change
[04:00:40] <furrywolf> it supports a full load just fine... with three space heaters, a heat gun, and a halogen light, got 6550W on it (according to its little lcd display)... but it surges badly below about 1500W.
[04:06:17] <furrywolf> this is the first one I haven't been able to make stop surging... every other surging small engine I've worked on was fixed by one of the above. heh.
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[04:25:03] <furrywolf> googling only finds complaints and questions, no fixes.
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[04:26:45] <furrywolf> I'm tempted to take the torch cleaners to the main jet a little agressively.
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[05:01:09] <furrywolf> bbl
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[07:09:54] <JT-MOBILE> Morning
[07:10:14] <Deejay> hi jt
[07:11:01] <JT-MOBILE> Red eye tonight from Seattle yuck
[07:12:10] <JT-MOBILE> You in 0 or so Greenwich
[07:14:25] <Deejay> UTC+2
[07:15:40] <JT-MOBILE> Boarding now. Chat later
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[10:36:17] <_methods> CaptHindsight: that'sw how most weld robots work
[10:36:22] <_methods> its all point and teach
[10:36:51] <_methods> welders aren't smart enough to use anything more complicated than a playstation
[10:36:57] <_methods> lol
[10:39:02] * archivist slaps _methods
[10:39:40] <_methods> lol
[10:39:49] <_methods> its true
[10:39:59] <archivist> not!
[10:40:25] <_methods> i'm sure theres a smart welder out there, somewhere
[10:40:25] <archivist> I can programz cnc and weldz
[10:40:29] <_methods> i've just never seen one
[10:41:05] <_methods> i'm talking about a wel-durr
[10:41:17] <_methods> thats all they do
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[10:42:26] <archivist> I got a welder for my 21st all I could do was make bird shit welds, got a job as a trainee welder
[10:42:53] <_methods> but in all seriousness robot welders are all point to teach
[10:42:57] <_methods> very simple to program
[10:43:33] <archivist> then after a couple of years they fired me for being 10 minutes late more than once
[10:44:49] <_methods> wow
[10:44:52] <SpeedEvil> 'I was just 10 minutes late' (12 times in series on one day)
[10:45:06] <_methods> i've never seen a welder show up on time.....
[10:45:20] <_methods> i think you were doing what you were supposed to archivist lol
[10:45:49] <archivist> it was a clock on type place on piece work, not a nice place to work
[10:46:36] <_methods> yeah production work often makes for a nasty work place
[10:46:37] <archivist> making lorry trailers and containers
[10:46:55] <_methods> no one will clean up anything since they don't get paid for it
[10:47:05] <_methods> no one will help you since they lose out on work time
[10:47:44] <archivist> they skimp on maintenance people too
[10:48:08] <archivist> dont dimension drawings properly
[10:49:05] <archivist> need to be on the low IQ side to stand working there for a very long time
[10:49:28] <XXCoder> depends on where
[10:49:32] <XXCoder> and leaders
[10:49:55] <XXCoder> exact same place, same workers can be great or amazing awful based on one boss
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[10:51:36] <_methods> XXCoder: we're talkin about pay/part production places
[10:51:57] <XXCoder> pay per part?
[10:52:01] <_methods> yes
[10:52:03] <XXCoder> ow
[10:52:09] <XXCoder> sounds nightmarish
[10:52:11] <_methods> you get paid by the # of pieces you complete every day
[10:52:48] <jdh> no piece work in .us
[10:52:54] <_methods> it makes for a nasty work place because no one will do anything besides what they get paid for
[10:53:30] <_methods> jdh: there are around here still
[10:53:52] <archivist> often the parts are not priced to make a decent wage either
[10:54:11] <XXCoder> I watched one american jobs show about molding drain job
[10:54:25] <XXCoder> guy makes more than I do, but he is very fast
[10:54:34] <jdh> methods: you have to track time also and make sure total pay is at least min. wage
[10:54:35] <XXCoder> crazy hard
[10:54:37] <_methods> did you see the work environment
[10:55:05] <archivist> amazon packers are on targets, you get fired if you dont meet, more stick than carrot
[10:55:06] <_methods> jdh: i guess so
[10:55:17] <_methods> probably legally
[10:55:35] <_methods> but i've found most places that work that way arent usually too concerned with all that
[10:55:38] <_methods> until osha shows up
[10:57:06] <_methods> hell my boss now tries to do it
[10:57:14] <XXCoder> there is always companies that try
[10:57:26] <_methods> he took some stupid job sand blasting buffer tubes and picatinny rail parts
[10:57:27] <XXCoder> the ultimate conclusion of course, is pure slavery
[10:57:31] <_methods> for like $1/ea
[10:57:41] <_methods> and he was payin anyone he could find $.50/ea
[10:58:12] <_methods> nobody lasted more than a day
[10:59:14] <archivist> people turnover, bosses need to get that right :)
[10:59:33] <XXCoder> turnover
[10:59:38] <XXCoder> its poison for company
[10:59:42] <XXCoder> skills handover gets dropped
[10:59:49] <XXCoder> lost knowledge
[11:00:03] <archivist> they often dont care for low skills
[11:00:39] <_methods> until a pallet full of parts comes back bad lol
[11:01:08] <XXCoder> whats worse than scrap?
[11:01:14] <XXCoder> scrap returned from customer
[11:01:28] <XXCoder> .. and was overdue
[11:03:49] <_methods> whew i bet the israelis are pissed right now
[11:04:22] <archivist> new trick on the block for employers is 0 hour contracts, worker being self employed
[11:04:34] <XXCoder> jeez
[11:04:37] <XXCoder> just fucking pay
[11:05:04] <XXCoder> somewhat decent wage and full benefits = low turnover which is REAL drain on company
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[11:06:40] <archivist> for the waged over here the gov is upping the min wage to a "living" wage
[11:07:25] <XXCoder> income with certain percentage for rent, some percentage for bills
[11:07:46] <XXCoder> minium wage would be $19 or so adjusted for inflation. of course it isnt now.
[11:08:34] <_methods> all that will do is cause rampant inflation
[11:09:25] <XXCoder> well I certainly dont make minium wage but rather 1.6 times that or so
[11:09:33] <XXCoder> but I still cant live on my own
[11:09:52] <_methods> really?
[11:10:23] <XXCoder> washington state rent is ricious
[11:10:37] <_methods> where do you live in wa?
[11:10:46] <XXCoder> tacoma
[11:10:55] <_methods> well doesnt get any cheaper than that
[11:10:57] <_methods> lol
[11:11:14] <XXCoder> exactly my point
[11:11:32] <_methods> you should be able to find some shithole for $400/month in tacoma easy
[11:11:37] <_methods> you might have to carry a gun
[11:11:45] <XXCoder> person working full time SHOULD be able to live on own, pay bills, and still has enough to manage savings
[11:11:58] <XXCoder> sorry, not about to buy a gun anytime soon
[11:12:25] <_methods> http://www.apartments.com/14411-pacific-ave-s-tacoma-wa/zbqgr8x/
[11:12:42] <_methods> lol
[11:13:04] <_methods> http://www.apartments.com/pacific-crest-apartments-tacoma-wa/8qp9342/
[11:13:09] <_methods> there ya go
[11:13:12] <_methods> pacific crest
[11:13:18] <_methods> sounds beautiful
[11:13:32] <XXCoder> :P
[11:13:47] <archivist> 450 for tiny
[11:13:51] <_methods> right next to bob's java
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[11:14:11] <archivist> where do tou put the cnc
[11:14:13] <_methods> oh now it's too small for you
[11:14:24] <_methods> the first one was perfect for cnc lol
[11:14:28] <_methods> nice pole barn
[11:14:30] <XXCoder> archivist: I can literally put cnc in my room.
[11:14:40] <XXCoder> it has been there for a while even. its tiny
[11:14:44] <_methods> that's the problem with you people
[11:14:47] <XXCoder> its now at garage though
[11:14:49] <_methods> nothing is ever good enough for you
[11:14:55] <_methods> hahahha
[11:15:09] <XXCoder> "you people"
[11:15:12] <_methods> lol
[11:15:27] <_methods> you saw what i did there
[11:15:30] <archivist> this is what one needs
http://www.collection.archivist.info/Dads_Shed.JPG
[11:15:46] <XXCoder> what that tiny thing
[11:15:48] <_methods> yeah thats perfect
[11:15:58] <XXCoder> unless it has 10 basements im not renting it
[11:16:27] <XXCoder> oh and fully equipped shop
[11:16:55] <XXCoder> that house must have time lord "inside is bigger" tech too, or not renting
[11:17:15] <XXCoder> seriously that tech would be awesome.
[11:17:55] <archivist> win lottery, buy factory, add bedrooms to it
[11:18:05] <XXCoder> I'd go for barge actually
[11:18:08] <XXCoder> HUGE space
[11:18:10] <cthompson> I actually looked at doing that once
[11:18:36] <cthompson> found a few big warehouse type places with attached office areas that could be converted to living space
[11:18:45] <XXCoder> yachts is awesome but tiny compared to big international cargo ship
[11:18:47] <cthompson> it would have violated the hell out of local zoning laws
[11:18:57] <XXCoder> hell many factories is smaller in spoace than one
[11:19:36] <XXCoder> hella lot money though to buy one, then retrofit it into nice space to live
[11:19:57] <archivist> look for an older factory in a built up area with housing very near
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[11:24:24] <XXCoder> well laters
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[12:10:53] <_methods> CaptHindsight: this might be a "teach" mode script for linuxcnc
[12:10:55] <_methods> https://github.com/araisrobo/linuxcnc/blob/master/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/teach-in.py
[12:11:19] <_methods> guess that's for the robot they were using
[12:13:06] <_methods> but i'm guessing you could modify that to pick and place machine
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[12:41:36] <_methods> http://linuxgizmos.com/linux-friendly-ethercat-controller-expands-via-pcie/
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[12:46:04] <archivist> rofl "It’s unclear how much, if any, EtherCAT support is provided if you run Linux instead of Windows."
[12:51:34] <_methods> shit i didnt see that
[12:51:38] <_methods> lol
[12:56:49] <archivist> methinks the marketing droids wanted to add linux to the brochure ware
[12:58:13] <archivist> but it might be able to talk to PCW's new ethernet cards and therefore be usable
[12:58:47] <_methods> no idea i just saw linux and ethercat and 1us jitter
[12:58:54] <_methods> i got tricked
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[13:04:50] <Tom_itx> hah archivist, is bird shit welds a technical term?
[13:05:33] <archivist> well known in the UK
[13:05:47] <archivist> includes splatter :)
[13:07:10] <Tom_itx> i can picture it...
[13:07:47] <Tom_itx> that's why i chuckled
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[13:18:21] <membiblio> Hey guys - the docs say 'don't update linuxcnc' - does that mean that we do not run the update that shows on the desktop or don't update the kernel or something else? What CAN be updated?
[13:23:46] <CaptHindsight> membiblio: Linuxcnc runs a RT kernel, you don't want to update that unless you know what you are doing
[13:26:54] <membiblio> Capt - I understand. So back to my question - what CAN be updated? Also - on the desktop is a red icon saying "184 updates available" - do we let those run/ are those ok? Should that mechanism be disabled so people don't press it?
[13:28:15] <CaptHindsight> membiblio: how did you install Linuxcnc and what version?
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[13:29:42] <CaptHindsight> from a LiveCD? which one? manually? someone might know based on this info
[13:30:09] <membiblio> Capt - Was installed via the installation option of 2.6.4 Live DVD.
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[13:48:11] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: are other files disappearing as well?
[13:49:28] <cradek> yes you want those 184 updates
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[13:51:24] <lair82_> Good Morning Guys, I am having problems on my machine, last week we started noticing that when we would try to load a program, there would be nothing in the nc_files folder, when there are over 100 programs. I would shut Linuxcnc down, and there would be zero icons on the desktop, not my shortcut link start linuxcnc, none of the folders that would normally be there, nothing. I would manually shut the pc down, with the pushbutton on
[13:51:48] <lair82_> about 10 seconds, and it wouldn't boot linux, it would just go to the bios for the MB. I thought the HD took a poop, so I installed a fresh ubuntu build on a new HD, re built my build, and now today it is showing similar symptoms, any thoughts?
[13:52:55] <lair82_> CaptHindsight, everything was dis-appearing
[13:53:14] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: but maybe a bad MB, bad RAM, are you using PASSWORD for password and accessing facebook with it?
[13:53:33] <Tom_itx> reseat the ram etc
[13:53:52] <lair82_> I don't have a facebook acct
[13:54:03] <CaptHindsight> or similar
[13:54:09] <Tom_itx> hi five on that..
[13:54:11] <membiblio> lair82_ - do you have full internet access with this machine ?
[13:54:16] <CaptHindsight> is it a hardware problem or gremlins
[13:54:38] <lair82_> I do have full internet access on this, the password is milacron
[13:55:00] <fenn> please don't tell people your password
[13:55:01] <membiblio> lair82_ - don't share your pw - so this is a issue I have been thinking about too
[13:55:19] <lair82_> it is only used on this turning center,
[13:55:27] <lair82_> none of my personal machines
[13:55:28] <membiblio> lair82_ - Is your machine behind a regular router - one that does out but not in without opening ports?
[13:55:50] <lair82_> Now I am not sure what you mean
[13:56:00] <membiblio> lair82_ - So something is deleting files in your /home/x directory - right?
[13:56:30] <membiblio> lair82_ - when you start work again - copy your /home/x directory to something else - so at least you have a backup
[13:56:40] <membiblio> lair82_ - did you examine log files?
[13:57:18] <lair82_> Everything was missing, I could not open up any of the drop down boxes, it was like the I unhooked the HD and the desktop background was all that was left.
[13:57:50] <membiblio> lair82_ - 'everything' is not really a technical term - was the /etc directory missing?
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[13:58:18] <lair82_> I have three turning centers all connected to the same network, all with the same password.
[13:58:31] <furrywolf> my first thought would be a bad hard drive, corrupted filesystem, etc
[13:58:36] <lair82_> I could not access anything
[13:58:36] <membiblio> lair82_ - rebuild your machine, make it work, copy home directory for safety, disconnect the machine from the network first.
[13:59:05] <membiblio> lair82_ - That does sound like a bad drive - you could put in another machine and access SMART diagnostics - do you know about SMART?
[13:59:23] <lair82_> No I do not,
[14:00:16] <membiblio> lair82_ - most modern hd have SMART - linux has SMART tools - will show SMART diagnostics results and allow you to run SMART tests
[14:00:37] <membiblio> lari82_ - Let me google a moment to see packages needed - brb
[14:01:12] <membiblio> lair82_ so we cat /etc/issue - you know how to do that ?
[14:01:28] <membiblio> lair82_ and we see that we are on Debian 7 right?
[14:01:43] <membiblio> lair82_ so we google Debian 7 SMART tools
[14:02:13] <lair82_> Command line: cat /etc/issue ?
[14:02:17] <membiblio> lair82_ - yes
[14:02:38] <membiblio> lair82_ - it gets written created on boot to show people what OS they are using
[14:03:06] <furrywolf> I've yet to ever have smart actually detect a problem.
[14:03:13] <membiblio> lair82_ - the first result on google is faqforge - and is applicable - apt-get install smartmontools
[14:03:25] <furrywolf> drives with random read error, repeated retries, etc, etc... smart happy.
[14:03:33] <membiblio> furrywolf - I just had two drives go bad and they both set off SMART
[14:03:35] <lair82_> Let me go pull the drive, and bring it in the office, install it in my testpc, and troubleshoot from there
[14:03:54] <membiblio> lair82_ - run this in place on the machine it is connected to please
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[14:04:32] <membiblio> lair82_ you really need to exercise that machine, sata interface, memory, etc and gain confidence in it.
[14:05:02] <lair82_> That's ok, I will head out there now,
[14:05:17] <furrywolf> and/or exorcise it, if it's demons causing the problem. :)
[14:05:24] <membiblio> lair82_ - finally to play devils advocate - look at your /etc/passwd file and /etc/services file to see who and what is exposed to the network
[14:05:24] <fenn> i agree with furrywolf, better to look at /var/log/messages first
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[14:05:41] <fenn> or dmesg if that fails
[14:05:56] <membiblio> HD errors are not in /var/log/mess the would be in /var/log/kern... right?
[14:06:51] <fenn> wherever dmesg goes
[14:07:28] <fenn> he probably can't even boot the machine
[14:07:35] <ssi> morn
[14:08:05] <membiblio> But he can boot the machine - booting lands him on a blank desktop - to linux is up and xsomething is up
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[14:11:35] <furrywolf> yay, UPS is continuing their practice of losing or damaging every single package I ever get from them. "We left the package in our facility. This may cause a delay. We will deliver as quickly as possible. "
[14:13:44] <CaptHindsight> my favorite story about mysterious hardware problems was the one about a system that would randomly go down in the middle of the night
[14:14:26] <lair82_> "Errors were found while checking the disk for / " is what it does when trying to boot, I can press "I" to ignore, "S" to skip, or "F" to fix.
[14:14:48] <CaptHindsight> after a few day/weeks of debugging someone decided to stay at the office overnight, ends up the cleaning crew would unplug the power cord to plug in a vacuum
[14:15:00] <membiblio> lair82_ is that drive in the target or did you remove and put in another computer?
[14:15:37] <membiblio> lair82_ So you want to choose Fix
[14:16:51] <lair82_> Last week it would boot back up normally, everthing ( icons, shortcuts, etc ) was there, We would start linuxcnc up, load a program, make some chips, then try to load another program after say 15-20 mins, that is when we would notice that everything was gone.
[14:17:02] <furrywolf> I'd suggest simply getting a new hard drive, doing a completely fresh linuxcnc install onto it, then putting your old drive in as a second drive, and salvaging any files you can find on it.
[14:17:05] <lair82_> The HD is still in the problem machine.
[14:17:07] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: are you currently using the new drive or the first drive that gave you this problem?
[14:18:45] <membiblio> lair82_ Stay with the problem machine - Is this the original drive or a new drive in the problem machine?
[14:19:09] <lair82_> This is the new drive, I did a fresh build from a from a fresh download cd, I made a new cd off of the linuxcnc downoad page first off last week, and that is what I used. The only files I copied over where my config files, and the nc program files.
[14:19:42] <membiblio> lair82_ - Can you disconnect this machine from the network for a while?
[14:20:27] <lair82_> Sure, let me go back out there, and drag my laptop with me, so I don't need to keep coming back in here.
[14:20:30] <membiblio> lair82_ - do you know how to read log files in /var/log/*
[14:21:54] <membiblio> Well for my part I'm going to try updating linuxcnc and if it breaks I'll just put the machine image back - right?
[14:22:29] <CaptHindsight> membiblio: cradek said that you want those updates
[14:22:49] <CaptHindsight> since you used a LiveCD to install
[14:23:00] <membiblio> CaptHindsight: Yes but he did not say it with conviction... :)
[14:23:17] <CaptHindsight> guilty
[14:23:23] <membiblio> I'm socially liberal and technically conservative so...
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[14:24:05] <skunkworks> fenn, did you also see ethernet support?
[14:24:19] <skunkworks> it's like christmas..
[14:24:24] <fenn> context?
[14:24:45] <fenn> something about ethercat?
[14:25:08] <skunkworks> linuxcnc in 2.7+ supports ethernet connected devices.. (right now just mesa boards - but still - pretty cool)
[14:25:49] <skunkworks> using rt-preempt
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[14:26:14] <fenn> soon we'll be back to 1995 era multi-host capabilities
[14:26:35] <fenn> one computer running TASK another running MOTION
[14:26:37] <skunkworks> heh. well you have to restart somewhere...
[14:26:48] <lair82__> OK, I am out at the machine now. Try to hit fix from this boot screen?
[14:26:51] <skunkworks> Nooooo!!
[14:26:57] <membiblio> *Upgrading may require removal or install of new packages - safe-upgrade - which does not REMOVE packages? Which to choose?
[14:27:55] <skunkworks> fenn, this is still linuxcnc being motion and mesa being - well - mesa (high speed pwmgen, stepgen, encoder counting and i/o)
[14:28:41] <membiblio> lair82_ yes press Fix
[14:29:05] <fenn> skunkworks: so theoretically someone could make an ethernet-connected microcontroller that did all that good stuff too
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[14:30:04] <lair82__> Ok its up,
[14:30:30] <membiblio> lair82_ did you shut that machine down in a dirty fashion - power off?
[14:30:48] <pcw_home> Yeah something like a STM32F4xx would work for a lot of things
[14:31:02] <lair82__> cat /etc/issue gave me Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS \n \l
[14:32:00] <membiblio> lair82_ - tail -f /var/log/kernXXX or dmesgXXX
[14:32:09] <lair82__> No I pushed the pc power button, went back turned off the power supply, checked all the MB connections, turned the power suppy, and it went to that fault screen
[14:32:42] <membiblio> lair82_ - so YES - you shut the machine hardware down while OS still live and running - right?
[14:33:12] <lair82__> Yes, it was froze up originally
[14:33:21] <CaptHindsight> ah
[14:33:42] <membiblio> lair82_ ok that is what caused the checkdisk to run - always choose Fix and go forward so file system is sane
[14:33:57] <lair82__> ok, what is that command again?
[14:34:01] <membiblio> lair82_ - now - hardware fault - unlikely - hacking - more likely
[14:34:13] <membiblio> lair82_ - what are your thoughts about that?
[14:34:29] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: do you usually shutdown the machine by using the desktop icon or menu for shutting down?
[14:34:35] <lair82__> Who could have hacked,
[14:34:47] <CaptHindsight> if everything is working not, not frozen
[14:34:55] <lair82__> We don't shut these machines down
[14:35:11] <membiblio> lair82_ that is not the question - is it remotely possible or DO YOU think hardware more likely?
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[14:35:40] <membiblio> lair82_ - because you replaced the HD - unless you put in sketchy HD?
[14:35:46] <lair82__> Unless I am doing maintenance work on them.
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[14:37:03] <lair82__> The HD was on the shelf, no OS on it, it came out of a XP machine about a year ago, I ran DBAN on it when I took it out of the other PC
[14:38:05] <lair82__> I ordered, last week 2 new SSD and they are here now, junk this one, and start fresh?
[14:38:28] <membiblio> lair82_ ok so follow hardware route now - clean power down - start -> shutdown - then reseat memory, inspect hardware.
[14:38:55] <membiblio> lair82_ - and then YES start fresh and disconnect from local area network just for the heck of it.
[14:39:44] <membiblio> lair82_ - and copy your /home directory just for the heck of it too - when something 'disappears' does the copy go too?
[14:40:54] <membiblio> Going the SAFE update route did not clobber LinuxCNC fyi
[14:42:29] <membiblio> So I'm looking at linuxcnc download page - only 2.5 is there - how did I end up with 2.6 and Debian? When Ubuntu loads does it say Deb or Ubu?
[14:43:51] <membiblio> Nevermind - 2.6 and 2.7 are there in the sidebar
[14:44:22] <lair82__> I start with the cd, then build with git using source,
[14:44:51] <lair82__> And now the pc is back up, I will copy that to my thumb drive now.
[14:44:54] <membiblio> lair82_ Nice - I should do that too - what version do you end up with 2.6.7?
[14:45:04] <lair82__> 2.6.8
[14:45:52] <membiblio> lair82_ if you have time - and want to - you could walk me through your git/build?
[14:46:41] <lair82__> We get this machine fixed, I will help you with anything you need.
[14:46:46] <membiblio> lair82_ so also check your /etc/passwd file for extra entries as well as /etc/services
[14:47:06] <membiblio> lair82_ in hindsight - what do YOU think the issue was/is?
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[14:48:05] <lair82__> I have no idea,
[14:48:55] <CaptHindsight> run memtest for a while
[14:49:45] <lair82__> Will do as soon as it gets done copying
[14:50:44] <membiblio> Capt - it is unusual for memory issue to cause a missing directory - right?
[14:51:14] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: I know that you rarely shut the PC's down but when you do is it done via command line, a desktop menu for shutdown/turn off computer or do you just press the POWER button?
[14:51:14] <archivist> one node dropped and a directory could be gone
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[14:52:41] <CaptHindsight> he's just noticing one directory gone, we don't know about others dirs or files
[14:52:42] <lair82_> I would use the shutdown/turnoff route, unless the power goes off, which is more frequent than usual around here.
[14:53:30] <CaptHindsight> so lots of power outages lately
[14:53:43] <membiblio> Capt - again - memory causing LOTS of missing hd files?
[14:54:20] <CaptHindsight> might be yes
[14:54:22] <membiblio> So where is linuxcnc going - Debian or Ubuntu? (Yes I know Ubu is fork of Deb)
[14:54:36] <lair82_> I could only look in the nc files folder, because I was accessing it through the linuxcnc "load program" function. When I closed linuxcnc, there was nothing there to access, all buttons were gone, all icons gone.
[14:55:06] <membiblio> Capt - I have servers and desktops - just never seen that particular presentation.
[14:55:14] <CaptHindsight> I have
[14:55:24] <CaptHindsight> bad ram near the fringes
[14:55:54] <membiblio> I'm not even sure what that means but typically memory issues cause seg faults
[14:56:33] <CaptHindsight> flipping random bits can cause all sorts of things
[14:56:42] <membiblio> lair82_ which live cd are you starting with?
[14:57:42] <lair82_> The second one, 2.5
[14:58:08] <CaptHindsight> his system is getting hosed, he's not just losing a directory
[14:58:22] <CaptHindsight> you have to do some translation here
[14:58:27] <lair82_> The first one is the the Debian version, I have that running on a VMC I am almost finished on with the retrofit.
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[14:59:11] <lair82_> CaptHindsight, Exactly
[15:00:39] <membiblio> I don't see it - segfault followed by kernel panic is what I've seen when memory is bad - not bad behavior and running amok like the terminator
[15:02:06] <mozmck> I've seen a bad motherboard cause weird problems.
[15:03:08] <lair82_> I was wondering about the MB, I have 2 new spares here, that was next on the list, but I figured I would ask some questions, before I keep chasing my tail.
[15:03:15] <CaptHindsight> we had one with a bad PATA controller, it corrupted random files
[15:05:03] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: could be any one of those, swap it all or shotgun each part until the problem goes away
[15:05:20] <trentster> howdy all - any url recommendations for a good speed and feed online calculator?
[15:05:34] <fenn> shoot it with a shotgun until the problem goes away
[15:05:52] <ssi> or until a bigger problem masks the problem
[15:05:59] <trentster> fenn: ;-) Does the same solution work on x-wives?
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[15:06:09] <fenn> for a short while
[15:06:25] <CaptHindsight> the cathartic approach
[15:08:24] <lair82__> Works till they find ya, then they shoot you like the two crazy bastards that busted out up in new york.
[15:08:34] <trentster> So no feed and speeds resources - or is this all your secret sauce?
[15:09:08] <lair82__> What would the command be for the memtest?
[15:10:03] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: it's in the grub menu when you boot
[15:10:40] <lair82__> the grub menu doesn't come up when this machine boots
[15:10:51] <archivist> trentster, lots on the interwebs
[15:11:23] <CaptHindsight> good old quite mode in the kernel settings
[15:12:39] <lair82__> the /etc/passwd file has 35 entry lines on it, what should I look for?
[15:12:40] <trentster> archivist: yeah I know there is a ton - thats why I was asking what you guys use - to find a good resource.
[15:14:18] <archivist> trentster, I dont tend to use one I listen to the cut
[15:14:51] <lair82__> membiblio, what should I be looking for in those 2 files that would be out of place?
[15:15:45] <trentster> archivist: they call you the "Mill Whisperer" :P
[15:17:37] <archivist> trentster, you get used to the noises, you can hear a machine vibration, or the part squeal you know to change things up or down to sort it out
[15:18:05] <archivist> blunt cutters are noisy sharp are quiet
[15:19:41] <trentster> archivist: yeah - I do know what you mean, I am just looking for a good starting point - especially since I only have a 400W brushless spindle I need to be careful with feeds and speeds.
[15:20:24] <trentster> e.g I have been cutting aluminium at a very slow feed and speed and I figured out I could be going way faster. But I don't like ruining stock finding out the hard way
[15:20:33] <membiblio> lair82_ So you are looking for 'extra' users - that can login remotely in /etc/passwd and in /etc/services you are looking for shells or ftp or ssh attached to weird ports that you never set up
[15:20:36] <trentster> I am a cheapskate! ;-)
[15:21:10] <membiblio> lair82_ - after a clean install you can copy those files someplace safe and then just do a binary compare with the originals to give you some confidence that all is aok
[15:21:28] <lair82__> OK,
[15:21:53] <archivist> remember the online calculators often expect you to have a solid machine not a router style machine
[15:22:18] <trentster> archivist: yup - so I am SOL then
[15:22:35] <fenn> a lot of the literature is based on the absolute maximum the cutter can handle before asploding
[15:22:50] <archivist> try something slow down for success
[15:23:00] <PetefromTn_> I've see em espolde!
[15:23:13] <archivist> learn to duck
[15:23:18] <_methods> i used to keep all the blown up cutters on my shelf of fail
[15:23:21] <PetefromTn_> meh I got a full enclosure
[15:23:24] <ssi> lol this is awesome
[15:23:24] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=107&v=984tPA7k3yg
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[15:23:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah I saw that one
[15:23:43] <PetefromTn_> pretty cool
[15:23:57] <trentster> that reminds me - must cut some plexi side panels for an enclosure - dont like the idea of broken bits flying around the room
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[15:38:54] <lair82__> How do I go about getting memtest going, if the grub menu is not coming up?
[15:40:54] <MrFluffy> boot from a usb live key?
[15:42:05] <CaptHindsight> If you cannot see your grub menu options press "ESC' key after the BIOS screen
[15:43:28] <CaptHindsight> how Ubuntu and debian used to work if the kernel was set to quiet
[15:44:17] <mozmck> If using a fairly recent ubuntu, there's a HIDDEN_TIMEOUT in /etc/defaults/grub that you can set to something more than 0
[15:44:24] <lair82__> I hit escape, and nothing happens
[15:44:55] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: does F1 or something work?
[15:45:01] <mozmck> /etc/default/grub
[15:45:07] <CaptHindsight> figures
[15:45:13] <mozmck> CaptHindsight: I don't know, never tried.
[15:46:30] <mozmck> Actually, comment out the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 line with a #, and insert a line GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[15:46:44] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: try holding it down when it starts, early on
[15:46:46] <mozmck> That will give you 10 seconds of menu
[15:47:10] <MrFluffy> Ive messed grub up so bad that doesnt work, and then, usb stick with live distro saves all...
[15:47:21] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[15:47:27] <CaptHindsight> might be next
[15:47:27] <mozmck> That might work, because I assume you can get the menu somehow while the hidden timeout is going.
[15:48:01] <_methods> alt+f1
[15:48:05] <_methods> won't that drop you to tty
[15:48:35] <CaptHindsight> whats the quiet there for anyway, do some people suffer from seizures if the screen has a bunch of boot info before the desktop starts?
[15:48:52] <MrFluffy> keep the scary dmesg from frightening people...
[15:48:56] <_methods> lol
[15:48:59] <lair82__> Just did that, and nothing, Do i need to have the "Grub hidden timeout quiet=true" or should I make that false
[15:49:03] <_methods> ctrl+alt+f1
[15:49:07] <mozmck> probably!
[15:49:19] <mozmck> to the seizures
[15:49:37] <mozmck> lair82__: I leave that true
[15:50:41] <lair82__> Its going straight to Ubuntu
[15:51:15] <mozmck> oh, I forgot, you have to run sudo update-grub after you edit the file.
[15:51:41] <MrFluffy> can you not edit it hot within grub itself?
[15:51:48] <MrFluffy> for just one time mod...
[15:51:57] <mozmck> I don't know in grub 2
[15:52:09] <mozmck> Used to be able to in grub < 2
[15:52:42] <MrFluffy> # man grub2
[15:52:42] <lair82__> Its running now, just let it run for a while ?
[15:52:43] <MrFluffy> No manual entry for grub2
[15:52:50] <MrFluffy> I see we've gone all user friendly now...
[15:52:56] <CaptHindsight> yes lair82_
[15:53:14] <mozmck> MrFluffy: just wait until systemd takes over!
[15:53:16] <MrFluffy> its because its man grub2-install...
[15:53:45] <CaptHindsight> it abuses memory and logs any bad spots
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[15:53:56] * MrFluffy is a holdout with gentoo and openrc...
[15:54:05] <MrFluffy> except on my cnc mill...
[15:54:24] <mozmck> I found with a bad motherboard that memtest would give memory errors.
[15:55:45] <Roguish> lair82__: look for an app called 'Grub Customizer' use it carefully.
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[15:56:17] <CaptHindsight> MrFluffy: not Slack? :)
[15:56:42] <PetefromTn_> I hear grubs are chewy and nutty tasting....never tried one tho :D
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[16:00:11] <CaptHindsight> I don't know what is wrong with having ESC or F1 bring up the startup messages and why that had to be removed
[16:00:39] <mozmck> probably because it was old
[16:00:51] <CaptHindsight> the trend seems to be change things just to change things
[16:01:10] <MrFluffy> because... this is the year of the linux desktop isnt it?
[16:01:20] <CaptHindsight> hehe
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[16:02:33] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: I think you are right. It seems to be a generational thing
[16:02:37] <MrFluffy> We need a registry next...
[16:03:44] <lair82__> Memtest is running now, I guess we see how things go from here.
[16:04:10] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: it might be fine
[16:04:25] <MrFluffy> its a interesting tool, it writes patterns of bits into the ram and compares them programatically for error spots when I looked at the code behind it...
[16:04:41] <MrFluffy> different patterns to stress it in different ways
[16:04:49] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: is problem is only happening on this one machine?
[16:05:43] <lair82__> Yes, so far, knock on wood, cross my fingers,
[16:05:44] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: is this a Cincinnati with the AMD APU and Asrock board?
[16:11:28] <lair82_> Yep,
[16:11:45] <lair82_> I switched all the machines to that combo
[16:11:59] <PetefromTn_> whats APU?
[16:12:18] <PetefromTn_> oh an Cincinatti FTW!!
[16:12:45] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: I recall you building it about a year ago
[16:13:14] <lair82_> Roughly yes, it's been about that long,
[16:14:04] <lair82_> We haven't had a single issue with these machines since we switched over to that combo for the MB and processor, up until now on this one machine.
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[16:14:37] <PetefromTn_> can you tell us exactly which board and CPU you are talking about?
[16:15:20] <lair82_> Pete, you should take a road trip some day up here, we have 15 or so cinci's running, daily here. All from 1978 up to about 1996 vintages.
[16:16:49] <PetefromTn_> I should I really REALLY should especially if you can show me how your toolchanger works hehehe
[16:17:05] <PetefromTn_> aren't you up in Michigan or something?
[16:17:29] <lair82_> They are the ASRock FM2A88M-HD+ FM2+ / FM2 motherboard and the AMD A4-4020 Richland Dual-Core 3.2GHz Socket FM2 65W AD4020OKHLBOX processor.
[16:17:40] <lair82_> Yep, 15 mins north of toledo
[16:19:12] <PetefromTn_> is that a mini ITX platform?
[16:20:03] <PetefromTn_> Really annoying that my icechat does not seem to allow me to copy and paste from the screen
[16:21:11] <PetefromTn_> seems like everyone is out of stock on that board
[16:21:20] <lair82_> Micro ATX
[16:22:21] <lair82_> ASRock FM2A88X-ITX+ FM2+ / FM2 AMD A88X (Bolton D4) 6 x SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Mini ITX AMD Motherboard, I put this one in our VMC
[16:22:40] <PetefromTn_> you using mesa boards with it?
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[16:25:23] <lair82_> 7i80HD-16
[16:28:18] <lair82_> Found out the hard way though that the onboard lan chip, Qualcomm Atheros AR8171 wasn't compatible with Debian, so I had to buy a TG-3468 adapter to drive the 7i80. The wireless is working so so, more of a signal problem in the shop, I need to get a repeater for our router out in the shop to boost the signal
[16:29:07] <PetefromTn_> I am on Ubuntu here but I need to get a new board for the CNC lathe project soon
[16:39:19] <mozmck> lair82_: I presume you must be using a preempt-rt kernel with that AMD system: what kind of worst case latency do you get?
[16:40:21] <lair82_> I have that amd running both ubuntu and debian
[16:40:55] <mozmck> I did some tests with an MSI board and an A6 CPU and the latency was not great.
[16:42:04] <lair82_> I believe it is the stock rtai on the ubuntu, and it is the preempt-rt on the debian machine. I would have to go look again to see what the numbers are, it was almost 6 months ago when I set ehm up.
[16:42:57] <mozmck> Ok, just curious. I wonder if the motherboard and chipset have somewhat to do with it. Not many options in the MSI bios for turning stuff off either.
[16:45:09] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: are you wondering about latency times on AMD with preempt_rt or those APU's or?
[16:47:07] <CaptHindsight> memleak got RTAI on the APU's under 10uS, he's actually done quite a lot of all the new RTAI development
[16:47:34] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: which A6?
[16:48:16] <mozmck> A6 7400K
[16:48:17] <CaptHindsight> Linuxcnc is still using RTAI from 2 years ago before all the fixes
[16:48:42] <mozmck> I'm using a 7i92 so it has to be preempt-rt for that.
[16:49:04] <pcw_home> With DPLL position sampling, even a few hundred usec of latency is OK
[16:49:57] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: how far into the msec range can you go now? :)
[16:49:58] <mozmck> I'd like to play with building a newer generic kernel with rtai for Ubuntu 14.04 sometime. Not much extra time right now (somewhere in the red actually)
[16:50:19] <mozmck> pcw_home: I'll have to check that board again then - it might work ok.
[16:50:34] <pcw_home> well at 250 Hz update maybe 1 ms or so
[16:50:49] <mozmck> I may try and ASRock board as people seem to be getting good results with them.
[16:51:36] <pcw_home> Best I have seen is the H97+G3258 (but fan of course)
[16:52:05] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: we were using Asrock since they have some with coreboot support
[16:53:20] <mozmck> pcw_home: I tried an H81+G3260 and it was not nearly as good as your results. It is a different MB chipset (MSI brand) and I guess a slightly older CPU.
[16:53:45] <pcw_home> if you get too slow on the servo thread (assuming stepgens so perfect velocity mode servo)
[16:53:47] <pcw_home> eventually you run into significant chord errors 250 Hz is probably OK if you don't need extreme
[16:53:48] <pcw_home> accuracy or acceleration
[16:54:32] <pcw_home> The H97 is the best I have seen by far (I have a H81 and its OK with the same CPU but not as good)
[16:54:43] <mozmck> interesting.
[16:55:01] <mozmck> I have an MSI H97 board too I plan to test.
[16:55:37] <mozmck> MSI have been solid boards for me, but looks like not a lot of options in the BIOS for disabling stuff. May not matter though.
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[16:56:21] <furrywolf> the MSI boards I've used most had a habit of being... finnicky. but this was in PIII days.
[16:56:56] <furrywolf> ram timings affecting which pci slots work, and all sorts of WTFness.
[16:58:04] <mozmck> I haven't had problems like that at all, and the UEFI works better with linux than Gigabyte boards.
[16:58:26] <mozmck> The MSI are inexpensive as well.
[16:58:28] <furrywolf> as I said, this was a while ago. :)
[16:59:04] <mozmck> Yes, the different brands trade places being the worse every so often.
[16:59:13] <mozmck> Like hard drive brands.
[16:59:38] <pcw_home> the one I have is a Asrock H97 Pro4
[17:00:38] <pcw_home> 2 PCI, 2 PCIE, LPT, Intel MAC
[17:08:14] <_methods> yeah i've always had good luck with asus
[17:09:05] <CaptHindsight> Biostar has given us the most problems
[17:09:37] <_methods> wow i bought a biostar back in the thunderbird days
[17:09:44] <_methods> haven't bought one since lol
[17:10:00] <skunkworks> pcchips? ;)
[17:10:05] <_methods> oh lawd lol
[17:10:15] <CaptHindsight> heh, we got one when a board died, gave us nothing but headaches with Linux
[17:10:25] <skunkworks> ^my worse brand
[17:10:40] <CaptHindsight> needed a custom kernel to boot reliably
[17:10:40] <skunkworks> are they even still in business?
[17:11:38] <CaptHindsight> website is still up
[17:11:46] <mozmck> I ran a biostar for a couple years - a couple years ago, and it worked great.
[17:12:38] <CaptHindsight> I've noticed USB ESD issues with Gigabyte
[17:13:48] <_methods> the biostar i bought worked but it always seemed like there was some issue
[17:13:55] <lair82_> Will I get a pass fail type indication from the memtest?
[17:13:57] <_methods> or something worked-sorta
[17:14:08] <CaptHindsight> have to touch the case first when the humidity is low when plugging in a USB drive or they reboot
[17:14:17] <PetefromTn_> well shit my POS chinese power supply won't seem to stay in CC mode and power up...SIGH
[17:14:25] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: it will list bad regions
[17:14:48] <skunkworks> how many passes has it done?
[17:14:49] <CaptHindsight> regions/ranges
[17:14:49] <mozmck> lair82_: it will give an error if something fails, and I think it will ask if you want to keep going.
[17:15:09] <_methods> well if you plan on doing this for real you're probably going to have to drop some dough on a good power supply
[17:15:25] <_methods> or scab one together out of server power supplies
[17:15:58] <_methods> i wonder if a rc battery charger can run constant current to a anodize setup
[17:16:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know
[17:16:27] <_methods> server power supply -> rc charger -> anodize tank
[17:16:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lambda-TDK-LFS-50-15-15-Volt-150-Amp-DC-Regulated-Power-Supply-Rectifier-Plating-/311387383887 150 amps, grunts
[17:16:42] <_methods> bewm
[17:17:15] <Tom_itx> is a car battery charger constant current or voltage?
[17:17:29] <_methods> cv
[17:17:32] <mozmck> voltage I bet
[17:17:36] <_methods> it is voltage
[17:17:38] <Tom_itx> so that wouldn't do so well?
[17:17:42] <_methods> it will work
[17:17:42] <ssi> I think they're CV, but they aren't a constant, constant voltage
[17:17:46] <_methods> just have to pay attention
[17:17:55] <ssi> I think they run lower voltage during the bulk charge, and higher voltage during the float charge
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[17:18:01] <_methods> plenty of people use car chargers to anodize
[17:18:01] <PetefromTn_> I am so screwed LOL
[17:18:14] <PetefromTn_> even my car charger is a POS heh
[17:18:18] <_methods> lol
[17:18:21] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I had a 5V 50A supply that came out of my HNC
[17:18:26] <ssi> but I think it's gone now :(
[17:18:27] <CaptHindsight> more constant than not voltage wise
[17:18:30] <Tom_itx> i ask because i got this free:
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/misc_stuff/12v_supply1.jpg
[17:18:40] <ssi> massive 70's transformer based TTL supply
[17:18:42] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/misc_stuff/12v_supply3.jpg
[17:19:12] <Tom_itx> from a largeish rv
[17:19:34] <lair82__> It says 0 for the passes, 59% on the first pass
[17:19:47] <lair82__> Test #8
[17:22:52] <PetefromTn_> Don't understand why it was working fine the other day and now it won't turn on. Wondering if I am doing something wrong again with it. I know its supposed to be simple heh
[17:23:17] <PetefromTn_> actually it TURNS ON but I can't seem to get it to provide current
[17:23:36] <_methods> http://www.instructables.com/id/Adjustable-constant-current-source-4mA-to-3A/
[17:23:42] <PetefromTn_> it clicks and clicks back somehow inside when I try to turn up the current from the bottom
[17:23:49] <_methods> that actually looks pretty simple constant current circuit
[17:23:58] <_methods> you just need an lm350 and a couple pots
[17:24:10] <_methods> and a power supply obviously
[17:24:12] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: return it before it's gets more difficult to do so
[17:24:20] <CaptHindsight> it's/it
[17:24:27] <PetefromTn_> I can't I have to finish these parts
[17:24:42] <PetefromTn_> I screwed myself here committing to getting them done for a customer
[17:24:55] <PetefromTn_> probably have to eat the cost of this one and just get a better one when I can afford it.
[17:25:16] <fenn> or keep it for use as a battery charger
[17:25:25] <fenn> wild idea i know
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[17:26:18] <fenn> oh it's a power supply
[17:26:24] <_methods> PetefromTn_: i'll see if i have any lm350's layin around when i get to the house and try to build that for you
[17:26:35] <_methods> i have some power supplies layin around to use for it
[17:27:05] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: first check all your wire connections. if they're all good, then chances are whatever was causing the current to read wrong fully died...
[17:28:11] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: did you unplug and reseat the RAM yet?
[17:29:38] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: do the wiggle stuff and tap things to see if anything is loose?
[17:29:58] <_methods> PetefromTn_: will 3amps be enough for you?
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[17:31:52] <CaptHindsight> lair82_: if memtest gets past 100% then you can try swapping drives, SATA cables, power supply etc
[17:33:19] <lair82__> Ok, i already unhooked and reseated everything twice before I started memtest, next up is the MB
[17:33:47] <lair82__> I'm at 73% now on the first pass, no errors
[17:34:18] <fenn> PetefromTn_: if it's a constant voltage power supply, the "current" knob is the current limit, like a circuit breaker, not a current setting
[17:35:08] <fenn> you would want to have it at maximum, and the actual current limiting would be accomplished by resistance in the circuit (say, from the concentration of the electrolyte)
[17:36:32] <furrywolf> fenn: that's not how it works.
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[17:37:08] <archivist> fenn wrong there
[17:37:11] <PetefromTn_> just put it in CV mode and checked the voltage with the VM
[17:37:17] <PetefromTn_> it is accurate within .1 v
[17:37:59] <PetefromTn_> when i try to adjust the volt to the middle of the range and hookup to the cathodes and part it does not seem to want to give any current
[17:38:06] <PetefromTn_> there are no bubbles coming from the cathodes
[17:38:23] <PetefromTn_> when I try to dial in the current it clicks to CV mode
[17:38:42] <PetefromTn_> REALLY SICK OF THIS THING>>>>
[17:38:55] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: check all your wiring... supply to wires, wires to cathodes, any current shunt connections, wires to your rack, rack to ti wire, etc.
[17:39:00] <archivist> if the current is below the cc setting the cv setting rules
[17:39:00] <furrywolf> ti wire to part
[17:39:19] <PetefromTn_> hang on
[17:39:21] <_methods> i think i have some lm338's at the house that should be good for up to 5A
[17:39:42] <_methods> i'll hook 2 power supplies together to give you 24v-5a
[17:39:55] <furrywolf> also, use your voltmeter to check the voltage at the output terminals of the supply while your wiring is connected. if it's very low, the problem is the power supply, if it's high, the problem is your connections.
[17:40:07] <_methods> power supplies that can actually handle it
[17:40:40] <_methods> looks like you'll probably only be able to do 3 parts at a time though with that setup from your calculations
[17:43:16] <CaptHindsight> he needs to stay under 15V
[17:43:36] <_methods> oh well hell i'll just use 1 then
[17:43:46] <_methods> i thought he need 30v for some reason
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[17:44:50] <CaptHindsight> I think that supply just supposedly goes that high
[17:44:56] <_methods> ahhh
[17:45:11] <CaptHindsight> chinese volts and maps I remind you :)
[17:45:16] <CaptHindsight> maps/amps
[17:45:20] * furrywolf tries to think how to redneck a constant current source from the assorted stuff pete has
[17:45:30] <_methods> yeah well the power supplies i got are some tanky old server power supplies
[17:45:37] <_methods> 12v 20a type
[17:45:50] <fenn> a wash bucket and some salt water...
[17:47:04] <fenn> you're just trying to drown out the variation in resistance created by bubbles forming on the part and ions forming a charged layer around the part
[17:47:54] <fenn> if R_washbucket = 100 ohms and R_part = 0 to 10 ohms then your overall resistance only varies by 10%
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[17:48:32] <fenn> yes it's dumb and wasteful and imprecise
[17:48:45] <PetefromTn_> I'm sorry guys....
[17:48:58] <PetefromTn_> I apologize
[17:49:04] <PetefromTn_> I'm an idiot ;)
[17:49:20] <PetefromTn_> it helps to generate current to have a PART IN THE BATH
[17:49:26] <archivist> rofl
[17:49:34] <PetefromTn_> heheheheheheheheheh
[17:49:35] <_methods> lol
[17:49:40] <PetefromTn_> what a jackhole!!
[17:49:53] <archivist> thanks for the entertainment :)
[17:49:53] <PetefromTn_> I guess I am so down on the power supply I WILLED it to be bad
[17:50:00] <_methods> all wwas all ready to ups you some power supplies lol
[17:50:05] <furrywolf> yes, that is known to help. :)
[17:50:25] <PetefromTn_> _methods Don't be bashful man I STILL need a better one hehehe
[17:50:26] <ssi> CC supplies really aren't that expensive
[17:50:47] <_methods> yeah man old server power supplies are like $15 on ebay
[17:50:48] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: make these parts, get paid, buy a used american supply off ebay.
[17:50:52] <PetefromTn_> ssi no CHINESE cc supplies aren't that expensive
[17:50:56] <_methods> and they pack more punch that that thing you have now for sure
[17:50:56] <PetefromTn_> they just suck ass
[17:51:08] <ssi> there's plenty of decent chinese equipment
[17:51:11] <ssi> how much current do you need
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[17:51:20] <PetefromTn_> AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE
[17:51:24] <ssi> lol
[17:51:25] <_methods> i'll make that little 5A circuit to test out
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[17:51:29] <furrywolf> he needs 0-20A at 15V for now
[17:51:36] <_methods> guess i'm gonna do some anodizing lol
[17:51:37] <PetefromTn_> I can't even get above 2 amps with this thing barely
[17:51:43] <_methods> this is all your fault PetefromTn_
[17:51:49] <PetefromTn_> SORRY!!
[17:51:53] <ssi> I have a 13.8V 20A CV linear supply
[17:52:01] <_methods> there ya go
[17:52:03] <furrywolf> he needs CC
[17:52:04] <ssi> and I have a bench supply that'll do 5A CC up to 30V
[17:52:05] <furrywolf> adjustable
[17:52:09] <ssi> on two channels
[17:52:11] <ssi> parallelizable
[17:52:16] <ssi> and I think it was like $150 on amazon
[17:52:28] <PetefromTn_> probably chinese like mine..
[17:52:32] <furrywolf> unfortunately, I only have two CC supplies, and neither is space.
[17:52:32] <furrywolf> spare
[17:53:09] <ssi> everything's chinese :P
[17:53:16] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/Mastech-HY3005F-3Triple-Linear-Power-Supply/dp/B004ISD7T6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1436896382&sr=8-3&keywords=mastech+power+supply
[17:53:20] <ssi> I have that one
[17:53:23] <ssi> or very similar anyway
[17:53:38] <furrywolf> I heartily recommend older Lambda EMI and EMS supplies... I've used a couple, and they're bulletproof, and will put out every watt they're rated for 24/7.
[17:53:39] <archivist> I have a couple of chineseum supplies
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/JS/IMG_1731.JPG
[17:53:58] <PetefromTn_> SHIT thats the one I wanted to get
[17:54:22] <archivist> furrywolf, I have a Lambda for my 5 axis on the steppers :)
[17:54:26] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151108921126 like that
[17:54:32] <PetefromTn_> oops sorry no that is not the one
[17:55:02] <PetefromTn_> the one Captainhindsight recommended to me was 30v 20A
[17:55:06] <archivist> that is a sensible one to get
[17:55:09] <PetefromTn_> lemme ask you guys another stupid question
[17:55:24] <FinboySlick> archivist: I love your stepper mount in that picture.
[17:55:25] <PetefromTn_> I have not been able to get more than 2 amps or so from this unit
[17:55:42] <PetefromTn_> is it possible that it is because I don't have enough parts in the bath at one time?
[17:55:45] <furrywolf> that's about ten chinese amps, so it's doing great.
[17:55:52] <archivist> FinboySlick, was testing the hobbing gearing setup
[17:55:56] <furrywolf> is it switching to CV mode?
[17:55:57] <ssi> it's probably because it won't make enough voltage to overcome the resistance
[17:56:08] <ssi> CC supplies are only CC if the resistance is low enough for its voltage range
[17:56:30] <PetefromTn_> so does that mean I should try maybe three parts in the bath?
[17:56:42] <archivist> FinboySlick, was getting "some" vibration of the bench that a supply exploded
[17:56:44] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: I was just going to say 4
[17:56:59] <furrywolf> if it's switching to CV mode, then yes, it could be not enough parts. If it's staying in CC mode and just sucking, then... well, it sucks.
[17:57:08] <PetefromTn_> I don't know if I can do 4 because don't you run into shadowing to the cathodes?
[17:57:16] <furrywolf> Also, with the overheating shutdown issues, I think you're working it about as hard as it likes to be worked already.
[17:57:28] <CaptHindsight> i wish you had some flat samples all the same and known size
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[17:57:46] <furrywolf> Also, go fix a current meter and make sure your readings are correct. :)
[17:57:47] <PetefromTn_> well actually we kinda proved that it is outputting 5.2 amps in that first scenario remember
[17:57:59] <bjmorel_work> Does anyone have a link to a getting started guide for a Mesa 7i92 / 7i76 setup ?
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[17:58:06] <archivist> model in solidworks so you know the surface area
[17:58:12] <PetefromTn_> LOL I think I blew my damn fuse I am not getting any reading from my meter now even tho it seems to be working
[17:58:18] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: was that before the supply started acting up?
[17:58:29] <PetefromTn_> I did model this part and get a solidworks Surface area
[17:59:10] <archivist> so you should know your parameters then
[17:59:10] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight apparenlty the power supplies meters are wrong because we measured 5.2 amps with a setting of 2
[17:59:32] <furrywolf> bjmorel_work: did you already purchase them? if not, a 7i76e combines both those into one board.
[17:59:41] <PetefromTn_> so I am wondering if my bonehead attempts to understand this thing have masked the real issues
[18:00:04] <PetefromTn_> Like I have only done two parts at a time and I was hoping to be able to do at least four
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[18:00:23] <furrywolf> again, you really need to get another current meter... even if you go give harbor freight the $5.99 for one of the cheapo red ones...
[18:00:24] <PetefromTn_> but I don't have a decent ammeter here and not I have NO ammeter LOL
[18:00:38] <bjmorel_work> furrywolf: That was the original plan, but they were out of the 7i76e, so I went this route. Should be here tomorrow, so I figured I'd give it a head start tonight.
[18:00:42] <PetefromTn_> HF is pretty far from me
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[18:01:04] <_methods> this was PetefromTn_ when he realized he didn't have the part in the bath
[18:01:06] <_methods> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PXPzXtdGMfo/VaRFmzFx8SI/AAAAAAAAAnw/TMnDkZdck5U/s1600/kick.gif
[18:01:10] <Loetmichel2> *oO* just noticed: ecig juice is empty... and i have no local seller, have to order in the net.. that will be "interesting" tomorrow ;-)
[18:01:12] <PetefromTn_> http://www.amazon.com/MASTECH-HY3020E-VARIABLE-REGULATED-SUPPLY/dp/B000E0GRMG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436896855&sr=8-1&keywords=mastech+power+supply&pebp=1436896854728&perid=1YAEFEBEAT9YAAWS4ADK
[18:01:19] <PetefromTn_> that is probably what I should have bought
[18:01:26] <furrywolf> Loetmichel2: better idea: time to call it cold turkey.
[18:01:36] <PetefromTn_> ROFL
[18:01:39] <PetefromTn_> pretty much
[18:01:40] <_methods> hahah
[18:01:56] <PetefromTn_> I need a good kick in the head for agreeing to do this on the first job
[18:02:02] <PetefromTn_> what an azzhole
[18:02:05] <PetefromTn_> ;)
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[18:02:38] <PetefromTn_> I am going to try two of the larger parts I made here and see if I can get more current to flow without overheating the PPS
[18:03:15] <furrywolf> I don't trust my shunt nearly as much as you seem to... there's got to be some local store with an inexpensive multimeter. lol
[18:03:39] <archivist> I would be doing one at a time to keep inside the power supplies abilities
[18:03:46] <PetefromTn_> sure but I don't want to buy another POS I have to wonder if it is working or not
[18:04:08] <PetefromTn_> Be back in a bit
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[18:04:49] <furrywolf> "We left the package in our facility. This may cause a delay. We will deliver as quickly as possible. " at least their wording admits it's entirely 100% their fault, rather than trying to weasel-word it.
[18:04:52] * furrywolf hates UPS
[18:05:20] <furrywolf> of course, it DOESN'T say that it probably really means it got lost...
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[18:19:36] <lair82_> Pass 1, no errors, so I fired it up, I guess we will see what happens.
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[18:24:12] <lair82_> I just noticed something else, now that the machine is back up, the operator said he thought there was a delay in the feedhold/program pause since I updated to 2.6.8, so now that I was able to look at the config thru halshow, I notice something strange, when I press my feedhold button, which is directly connected to the halui.program-pause input, sometimes I notice a few millisecond delay on the halui.program-is-paused output.
[18:25:05] <lair82_> Shouldn't that output instantaneously turn on when it see's the feedhold input?
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[18:31:44] <PetefromTn_> Okay Parts are cookin!!
[18:32:15] <furrywolf> good, that gives you three hours to drive to town and find a multimeter. :P
[18:33:48] <PetefromTn_> just opened the meter I have here
[18:34:01] <PetefromTn_> the two fuses are different of course
[18:34:17] <PetefromTn_> the one is labeled 250ma/250v
[18:34:35] <PetefromTn_> the other is not labeled and appears to require desoldering etc.
[18:35:01] <furrywolf> the 250ma one is going to be every scale but 10A...
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[18:35:07] <furrywolf> I've never seen a soldered 10A fuse. that's odd.
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[18:36:04] <membiblio> What is the trick to using a pyvcp.button? Have panel.xml loaded from [DISPLAY] section of x.ini and in custom.hal have net my-net1 <= pyvcb.button
[18:37:19] <membiblio> and in linuxcnc the button pyvcp.button exists in HAL under Machine -> Show HAL -> pins -> pyvcp
[18:37:21] <PetefromTn_> I took the fuse out and tried to check it with the meter and the fuse appears to be good
[18:37:40] <furrywolf> the 250ma one?
[18:37:45] <furrywolf> or the unlabeled one?
[18:38:05] <PetefromTn_> the 250ma one the other one I would have to desolder something to remove
[18:38:29] <furrywolf> and you only have this one meter that works?
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[18:38:55] <PetefromTn_> you say that like it is a bad thing ;)
[18:39:29] <furrywolf> well, get unsoldering, then. :P
[18:39:45] <furrywolf> or short the fuse with a piece of wire and see if it then measures current
[18:40:02] <jdh> if it works, why do you havr to solder on it
[18:40:22] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/THWFmrt.jpg
[18:40:27] <furrywolf> jdh: it works in every scale except 10A. (unless pete used it wrong)
[18:41:29] <membiblio> nevermind - must be in custom_postgui.hal not custom.hal
[18:41:30] <membiblio> :)
[18:42:29] <furrywolf> twist a scrap of thin wire (such as a few strands from some stranded wire) around the leads on both ends of the fuse
[18:42:45] <furrywolf> put it back together enough to test, test.
[18:42:50] <membiblio> furry.... bad boy
[18:43:19] <PetefromTn_> as you can see from the picture the other fuse is sorta permenent
[18:43:35] <archivist> scrunched up tinfoil ftw :)
[18:44:08] <furrywolf> yes. on the soldered-in fuse, twist a few strands from some stranded wire on the leads on either end of the fuse.
[18:44:21] <furrywolf> they'll make an acceptable fuse for testing.
[18:44:40] <PetefromTn_> wierd
[18:44:49] <_methods> only for people without soldering irons lol
[18:44:59] <PetefromTn_> when I put it in continuity mode and touch the leads together I don't get zero
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[18:45:21] <jdh> I have probably seen more peolle fail to measure current than anything
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[18:45:49] <PetefromTn_> I get like 909
[18:45:51] <PetefromTn_> 9.9
[18:45:52] <PetefromTn_> sorry
[18:45:59] <archivist> proper shunts needed :)
[18:46:05] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: leads have resistance, banana jacks have resistance, the contact between the two probes has resistance, and offset errors are hard to get rid of. :)
[18:46:28] <PetefromTn_> even in 2M mode I get .009
[18:46:40] <furrywolf> for example, yesterday I measured 13mV between two lugs bolted together tightly with a 5/16 stainless bolt...
[18:46:44] <furrywolf> could also be your meter sucks. lol
[18:46:46] <PetefromTn_> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-Manual-Ranging-Multimeter-MM100/202565780?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal1_rr-_-202353293-_-202565780-_-N
[18:46:58] <PetefromTn_> does that look like a POS?
[18:47:27] <furrywolf> Klein is usually expensive. as to what it looks like, I'll know when it loads, eventually.
[18:48:05] <jdh> I have a nice fluke and 10 HF freebies. Cant remember the last time I used the fluke
[18:48:25] <PetefromTn_> I had a HF clamp on for awhile and lent it out....OOPS
[18:48:40] <furrywolf> homedespot's website has quite a lot of bloat, javascript loaded from other domains, etc.
[18:48:42] * furrywolf keeps waiting
[18:48:56] <jdh> its a $22 klein
[18:49:05] <furrywolf> for $22 that sounds acceptable.
[18:49:47] <furrywolf> it's probably not much better than a harbor freight mid-range one, but it probably has better QC...
[18:49:53] <PetefromTn_> well I have two parts simmering in the bath here
[18:50:01] <PetefromTn_> I have the PPS set to 1.2 amps
[18:50:20] <PetefromTn_> which is PROBABLY somewhere in the 3.5 amp range in reality if anything we tested previously is correct
[18:50:23] <jdh> I think a HF probe wire would be a fine fuse.
[18:50:43] <PetefromTn_> and the bubbling and offgassing on the parts APPEARS to be going well
[18:50:51] <PetefromTn_> the power supply is not getting too hot
[18:51:15] <PetefromTn_> so I am going to let it shake and bake here for another hour and 51 minutes
[18:51:26] <PetefromTn_> and then I will dye and seal them and see what happens
[18:51:53] <PetefromTn_> the good part about this whole process is that screwups are apparently easily fixed with some lye solution ;)
[18:52:09] <furrywolf> at least for parts with no critical tolerances.
[18:52:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah these are not critical at all really
[18:53:03] <PetefromTn_> just a simple clamp that holds the remote resorvoir.
[18:53:31] <furrywolf> I've never used remote reservoir shocks... always stuck me as more of a "look at the money I spent on my truck!" thing than actually improving ride quality.
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[18:54:30] <furrywolf> I got air shocks for my subaru, just so I can push the 900lb weight rating in the back up a bit more. :)
[18:54:32] <PetefromTn_> Oh they are actually very good at improving the ride quality and if you are building a serious offroader or baja vehicle it is almost a necessity
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[18:55:06] <PetefromTn_> plus the excess fluid helps to dissipate heat apparently
[18:55:40] <furrywolf> well, my serious offroad truck will ride like a heavy truck no matter what I do, and my subarus ride nice and smooth stock, so... lol
[18:55:51] <furrywolf> I have leaf springs on all four corners, about 6" thick. :)
[18:57:05] <furrywolf> I need to tweak my lift brackets a bit on the subaru... my camber is off my 1.2 degrees.
[18:57:39] <furrywolf> s/off my/off by
[18:58:27] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmh-ew1swD4 here ya go
[19:00:43] * furrywolf starts thinking about breakfast
[19:06:52] <furrywolf> monster energy? the manager of a local auto parts store had a heart attack two weeks ago. he's about 35. the doctors blamed it on drinking monsters all day...
[19:08:14] <furrywolf> is there any point to that video? so far two minutes of it have loaded, and it's just vehicles driving.
[19:08:23] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, got the supply working again then ehh?
[19:08:49] <Tom_itx> why wouldn't it start up?
[19:08:49] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: supply never stopped working. :)
[19:09:14] <Tom_itx> i thought he said it wouldn't start up in current mode
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[19:10:26] <_methods> part needs to be in the tank first lol
[19:10:41] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx it wouldn't start in current mode because I am a DUMBASS!!
[19:10:43] <furrywolf> There was an issue with his tank wiring.
[19:10:48] <Tom_itx> hah!
[19:11:15] <Tom_itx> not a complete circuit?
[19:11:17] <PetefromTn_> I am so glad that I can be this constant source of amusement for all of you guys here ;)
[19:11:25] <_methods> heheh
[19:11:29] <Tom_itx> me too :)
[19:12:00] <Tom_itx> i need something amuseing atm... been on my back for a week now
[19:12:06] <_methods> ugh
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[19:12:25] <_methods> nothing worse than being sick/hurt
[19:12:40] <Tom_itx> pinched nerve takes a long time to heal
[19:12:52] <Tom_itx> no left arm feeling
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[19:13:02] <Tom_itx> anyway.. off to the Doc
[19:13:05] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: fun... I've been useless for three weeks now. my back is mostly functioning, but my neck is still sore, and my left leg a little numb.
[19:13:38] <PetefromTn_> it's interesting. The successful parts I did recently I did one at a time
[19:13:53] <PetefromTn_> and I adjusted the current to be 2.1 amps using the shunt
[19:14:06] <PetefromTn_> and on the display it showed .9 amps typically
[19:14:13] * jthornton just finished burying a good friend and companion... rest in peace Cocoa
[19:14:14] <PetefromTn_> now I have two parts in the bath
[19:14:22] <furrywolf> jthornton: :(
[19:14:41] <PetefromTn_> and the current is set to the same .9 and the bubbling and offgassing appear the same
[19:14:47] <PetefromTn_> possibly more
[19:14:51] <jthornton> yea it sucked big time
[19:15:01] <PetefromTn_> jthornton sorry to hear that man
[19:15:25] <PetefromTn_> I have had to bury pets before and it is not easy to deal with
[19:15:38] <PetefromTn_> altho my current dog I have almost shot a few times ;)
[19:15:47] <_methods> ugh man i don't know what i'm gonna do when i lose my homie
[19:16:16] <_methods> gonna be rough he's starting to get grey and cloudy eyes
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[19:16:43] <furrywolf> my cat is going on 15...
[19:16:54] <furrywolf> she's down to 6lbs
[19:18:09] <jthornton> she was the last pet we had, 3 cats in the last 4 years and now her
[19:20:01] <furrywolf> I might end up with a dog... my neighbor's wife has been getting increasingly crazy and, among all the things she yells at and hates, she wants their dog gone... I told him I'd take her if they do try giving her away.
[19:21:04] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/XYQlTs7.png
[19:21:06] <_methods> heheh
[19:21:08] <_methods> he's a nut
[19:21:27] <_methods> scrab bin score
[19:21:29] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/IFaYrd0.jpg
[19:22:03] <PetefromTn_> OOh I could make some stuff out of those hehe
[19:22:24] <furrywolf> where do you find bins with scraps like that? lol
[19:22:30] <PetefromTn_> 1"?
[19:23:02] <_methods> yeah lol
[19:23:05] <_methods> weeee
[19:23:36] <_methods> drops off some job we were doing for google
[19:24:03] <furrywolf> ah, so it's your own scrap bin. that's not nearly as much fun as good ol' dumpster diving.
[19:27:13] <PetefromTn_> google???? DAMN
[19:27:58] <_methods> yeah nothing exciting
[19:28:42] <PetefromTn_> I need to visit and beg for your "jobs you can't or don't want to get to " stuff hehe
[19:29:03] <_methods> hahah well right now we'll take anything it's starting to get a little slow
[19:31:07] <_methods> but i think we just got a dream job, bunch of parts got pulled from another shop and now they want us to do them lol
[19:31:22] <_methods> instant price hike lol
[19:31:27] <CaptHindsight> Google owns lots of co's now in robotics, vehicles, consumer electronics etc
[19:31:47] <_methods> well i can't say what we were doing but it wasn't any of that lol
[19:31:58] <_methods> it was really pretty boring
[19:32:38] <CaptHindsight> conduit stretchers, left handed pipe wrenches sort of thing?
[19:32:45] <_methods> not even that exciting
[19:33:03] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: he's probably working on the spy cameras google will be installing in everyone's houses
[19:34:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.motioncontroltips.com/2015/07/01/arduinos-and-cheap-controllers-meet-high-performance-motion/
[19:36:03] <CaptHindsight> the article is also an ad for these
http://www.teknic.com/products/clearpath-brushless-dc-servo-motors/
[19:36:23] <CaptHindsight> that I was just looking at the other day
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[19:42:02] <CaptHindsight> $280 for motor with integrated driver
https://www.teknic.com/model-info/CPM-SDSK-2311S-RLN/
[19:42:25] <membiblio> I've drawn a 12" square in librecad and exported using dxf2gcode - then open with linuxcnc - it seems to have a 3" height - any idea why?
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[19:44:02] <_methods> it's probably your clearance height setting
[19:44:26] <membiblio> _methods - clearance height in dxf2gcode?
[19:44:34] <_methods> i'm guessing
[19:44:44] <_methods> linuxcnc only shows what your gcode says
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[19:45:34] <_methods> i've never used dxf2gcode but i'm looking at this
[19:45:38] <_methods> http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/File:Sampled2g.png
[19:45:56] <_methods> and the z safety margin and z retraction
[19:46:11] <_methods> you might want to check those
[19:46:20] <_methods> and your mill depth
[19:47:37] <membiblio> _methods - thank you - bet that you are right :)
[19:47:54] <_methods> np i've never used dxf2gcode so beware
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[19:51:19] <MrFluffy> has anyone here made a solder paste extruder for their cnc mill?
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[19:52:12] <MrFluffy> I have done some cnc pcb milling, but it seems quite attractive if I change tools into a qc30 paste extruder and do the solder pads too after its milled...
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[19:54:06] <CaptHindsight> MrFluffy: I've put all sorts of things on small mills, syringe pumps, printheads, micronozzles, lasers, rubber chickens etc
[19:54:27] <MrFluffy> Just watching this with interest...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdqVt0jCBHk
[19:54:40] <CaptHindsight> sort serve dispenser would be a nice one
[19:54:42] <MrFluffy> I was thinking of using my bridgeport interact to be honest :)
[19:55:36] <_methods> rubber chickens lol
[19:59:13] <XXCoder> whoa. what bastards.
http://img.brainjet.com/slides/2/2/4/7/4/4/2247442809/cf4e9beb21b58f2b8ebb0a19f2d21bf471ada9f9.png
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[20:06:55] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: thats a good one
[20:07:10] <XXCoder> yea but very hard to clean up
[20:07:12] <CaptHindsight> you have to pour each one out
[20:07:25] <XXCoder> would need cart to transport to restroom or something
[20:07:53] <_methods> shopvac
[20:08:11] <MrFluffy> Id be using my coworkers face to mop it up personally :)
[20:08:17] <_methods> lol
[20:10:27] <MrFluffy> so... solder paste applicator = syringe body, small peristaltic pump, and a stepper controlled as axis maybe...
[20:11:29] <MrFluffy> I shall go contemplate it in the jacuzzi :)
[20:11:44] <_methods> fartin in the bathtub
[20:12:20] <MrFluffy> I had beans on toast for supper if that counts
[20:14:17] <_methods> hehe
[20:14:21] <_methods> jacuzzi away
[20:16:36] <XXCoder> time machine tub
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[20:26:37] <XXCoder> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Tub_Time_Machine
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[20:33:47] * furrywolf looks for the time machine from AROG
[20:34:51] <FinboySlick> Bah, just find a bucket.
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[20:36:50] <furrywolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d8mRInRCv4 doesn't work without subtitles. oh well.
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[20:44:56] <Tom_itx> wb jthornton
[20:46:24] <Tom_itx> sorry for your loss...
[20:48:17] <skunkworks> zlog
[20:48:17] <zlog> skunkworks: Log stored at
http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2015-07-14.html
[20:51:49] <Deejay> gn8
[20:52:31] <PetefromTn_> well the first two parts are anodized and the next pair one is anodized but the other seems to have lost the contact to the TI wire so I am having to cook it some more here
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[20:55:33] <jthornton> thanks Tom_itx
[20:55:48] <PetefromTn_> DAMN we are getting some serious thunder and lightening over here
[20:56:08] <furrywolf> how did they come out?
[20:56:47] <PetefromTn_> pretty good!
[20:56:54] <furrywolf> good!
[20:57:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah man.. got a bunch more to go...watch we loose power thanks to these storms now hehe
[20:58:29] <Tom_itx> harness the power!
[20:58:52] <PetefromTn_> If I could do that I would not need any of this equipment LOL
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[21:00:04] <furrywolf> unfortunately, none of my vehicles need shiny shock reservoir brackets.
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[21:33:18] <SpeedEvil> Is there a term for a device that you feed a (say) 4.8*10cm*5cm beam, and out pops a beam with mortice/tenon joints in the right places?
[21:34:09] <_methods> well a tenoner will
[21:34:37] <_methods> but you'll still need to hit a morticer for that
[21:34:51] <_methods> i don't think theres a machine that does both at the same time
[21:35:43] <_methods> nm lol
[21:35:47] <_methods> http://www.cmsindustries.us/Products/tenoners_mortisers_and_profilers/omnia
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[21:37:32] <MrFluffy> time to crash... l8r
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[21:41:07] <SpeedEvil> _methods: neat
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[22:35:03] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/VF7Kn88.jpg WOW!! This is the best one yet!!!
[22:36:00] <JT-Shop> looking good
[22:36:26] <PetefromTn_> thanks man. I am doing two at a time now..
[22:36:35] <Nutter> wow very nice!
[22:36:37] <PetefromTn_> monitoring current with the shunt setup to .21
[22:36:42] <Nutter> what is it?
[22:36:43] <PetefromTn_> Nutter Thanks man!!
[22:37:00] <PetefromTn_> It's part of a clamp that I machine and sell on fleabay
[22:38:00] <_methods> ahh yeah sexy
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[22:40:20] <tiwake> one of these days I'll get around to anodizing stuff
[22:40:46] <JT-Shop> are you racking them or just hanging them?
[22:40:59] <_methods> yay harbor freight pipe threader
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[22:42:17] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/BH2AGlv.jpg
[22:42:22] <furrywolf> that's looking like it came from an anodizing shop.
[22:42:46] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/KvWeVpy.jpg
[22:42:58] <_methods> you get what you pay for i guess lol
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[22:44:02] <furrywolf> _methods: pick up a used rigid off craigslist
[22:44:05] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: <furrywolf> that's looking like it came from an anodizing shop.
[22:44:48] <furrywolf> I'm about to go pick up a new welder... a Miller with a 2-cylinder Onan engine. guy with it says it doesn't have spark, and he can't figure out why.
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[22:44:55] <PetefromTn_> furrywolf thanks man I appreciate it. They really are looking pretty nice I think. Hopefully I can continue the success thru the entire run.
[22:45:10] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: keep a log of exactly what you did, and how it came out.
[22:45:22] <PetefromTn_> well here is a little tidbit
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[22:45:45] <furrywolf> I figure there's NOTHING that can cause a lack of spark (ok, maybe a broken crankshaft) that takes more than 10 minutes to fix.
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[22:46:23] <furrywolf> I haven't seen it yet, but it's pretty much free, so even if it's a piece of crap...
[22:46:24] <furrywolf> bbl
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[22:55:20] <PetefromTn_> WTF is going on here with my damn internet hehe
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[23:08:04] <PetefromTn_> Next batch of cookies is in the oven ;)
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[23:19:58] <skunkworks> and when you mean cookes - you mean aluminum and when you mean oven you mean anadizing tank..
[23:20:15] <PetefromTn_> precisely
[23:22:13] <PetefromTn_> :)
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[23:24:52] <tiwake> one of these days I'll get around to making my own car that runs off of linuxCNC
[23:29:10] <PetefromTn_> that would be interesting
[23:29:30] <tiwake> with a turbine engine in it :)
[23:29:57] <malcom2073> Heh, GUI hiccup, *boom* goes the engine
[23:29:57] <malcom2073> :P
[23:33:59] <tiwake> naw
[23:34:21] <tiwake> plug in an unsupported USB drive and the OS does not know what to do with it, and then things splode
[23:35:01] <tiwake> ...or something
[23:36:03] <tiwake> neh, linux is pretty stable if set up correctly
[23:36:07] <CaptHindsight> _methods: is that a crack in the casting?
[23:36:28] <CaptHindsight> overtorque safety feature?
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[23:48:52] <_methods> yeah lol
[23:49:06] <_methods> great safety feature
[23:49:19] <_methods> i could have threaded a pipe or something on accident
[23:52:03] <malcom2073> Damn kids nowadays, always running around threading things
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[23:52:54] <malcom2073> tiwake: Stable sure, reliable? eehhhhhhh
[23:52:55] <malcom2073> :P
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[23:53:05] <_methods> i bought it because i read somewhere that you could use good rigid dies in it once the harbor freight ones blew up
[23:53:21] <_methods> but it looks like the dies in the harbor freight one are different
[23:53:30] <_methods> so that kinda turned into a fail
[23:55:28] <_methods> oh well $50 to the bottom of the harbor freight
[23:56:45] <malcom2073> _methods: Just return it for another
[23:58:20] <_methods> nah i'll just do what i should have done in the first place and buy a rigid
[23:58:23] <_methods> i thought i could get over
[23:58:41] <malcom2073> heh
