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[00:00:30] <DaViruz> i don't think i've ever had a problem with excessive work harderning of speaker cables
[00:01:33] <DaViruz> http://i.imgur.com/XFUHOEE.png
[00:01:50] <DaViruz> i've been machining a bunch of these bits the last days however, they seem to work harden a bit
[00:02:19] <DaViruz> (never mind the messy clamping)
[00:02:22] <CaptHindsight> where does one get the audio source from these days? CD's were proven inferior to vinyl by "audiophiles" in the 80's
[00:02:41] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.imgur.com/VgCZb0T.png
[00:02:44] <zeeshan-laptop> boy this looks bad ass
[00:02:44] <zeeshan-laptop> lol
[00:03:35] <CaptHindsight> looks pretty noisy
[00:03:45] <zeeshan-laptop> thus the filter!
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[00:04:08] <CaptHindsight> 1 second intervals?
[00:04:13] <zeeshan-laptop> no
[00:04:17] <zeeshan-laptop> .15
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[00:05:16] <CaptHindsight> is it picking up vibration from outside the chamber?
[00:05:39] <zeeshan-laptop> not sure :P
[00:05:51] <CaptHindsight> or what is the pressure differential across?
[00:06:01] <zeeshan-laptop> wat
[00:06:24] <CaptHindsight> how is it measuring pressure?
[00:07:37] <zeeshan-laptop> pressure transducer
[00:07:39] <zeeshan-laptop> i made a video!
[00:07:44] <zeeshan-laptop> hopeflly its not too boring
[00:07:55] <CaptHindsight> what type of transducer?
[00:08:19] <CaptHindsight> no problem I watched a 30 minute video earlier of paint drying
[00:08:33] <zeeshan-laptop> video still processing
[00:08:34] <zeeshan-laptop> ;/
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[00:18:37] <zeeshan-laptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN-1Rv3BBxY
[00:18:40] <zeeshan-laptop> go to like 3 min
[00:18:44] <zeeshan-laptop> to see the pressure setup
[00:23:28] <Valen> pressure should be controlled within .2 Celsius zeeshan-laptop?
[00:23:35] <zeeshan-laptop> yes
[00:23:37] <zeeshan-laptop> :-)
[00:23:41] <zeeshan-laptop> is that what i said
[00:23:42] <zeeshan-laptop> haha
[00:23:45] <Valen> yes
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[00:26:41] <zeeshan-laptop> i really feel like adding a restrictor on the inlet
[00:26:47] <zeeshan-laptop> would make things a bit more smoother
[00:26:50] <CaptHindsight> you're measuring pressure far from the inside of the chamber
[00:27:11] <Valen> why use solenoids when you are trying for an even pressure?
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[00:27:32] <zeeshan-laptop> valen what do you mean an even pressure
[00:27:33] <Valen> use needle valves
[00:27:44] <jdh> Proportion-Air BB2
[00:27:50] <Valen> you are upset about how your pressure is all over the place?
[00:28:07] <zeeshan-laptop> im happy as hell
[00:28:12] <zeeshan-laptop> not upset at all
[00:28:24] <zeeshan-laptop> .2 psi band is not all over the place
[00:28:25] <jdh> looked pretty good for banging a solenoid
[00:28:27] <zeeshan-laptop> at least not for me
[00:28:38] <zeeshan-laptop> and needle valves are $$$$$$$
[00:28:43] <zeeshan-laptop> i have a ton of these solenoids
[00:29:11] <Valen> fair enough, it sounded like you were unhappy with it
[00:29:21] <zeeshan-laptop> i think the needle valve is a good idea
[00:29:25] <zeeshan-laptop> for a resistrictor
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[00:29:43] <zeeshan-laptop> for some reason i had an orifice in mind
[00:29:45] <CaptHindsight> how many PSI to get the balloon to pop?
[00:29:56] <zeeshan-laptop> you want a video one one blowing up? :D
[00:30:05] <zeeshan-laptop> depends on the temp a lot
[00:30:07] <zeeshan-laptop> if its 20C
[00:30:11] <zeeshan-laptop> around 25 psi
[00:30:28] <zeeshan-laptop> if -10c , about 35
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[00:30:36] <zeeshan-laptop> at 60C about 5
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[00:30:59] <zeeshan-laptop> sounds really sweet when it blows up at 25psi
[00:31:06] <zeeshan-laptop> kaboom , echos through the lab
[00:31:56] <CaptHindsight> who was narrating the video?
[00:32:08] <zeeshan-laptop> me
[00:32:08] <zeeshan-laptop> !
[00:32:42] <CaptHindsight> so when do you get reviewed? late summer?
[00:33:07] <zeeshan-laptop> march or april 2016
[00:33:26] <zeeshan-laptop> trying to finish it this summer.. would be nice
[00:33:32] <zeeshan-laptop> cause then i can get a job and make money
[00:33:37] <zeeshan-laptop> tired of student salary!
[00:33:53] <CaptHindsight> heh, students here have to pay
[00:34:02] <CaptHindsight> you're gettin paid
[00:34:14] <zeeshan-laptop> woulda never done masters without getting pay
[00:34:18] <zeeshan-laptop> its completely unaffordable
[00:34:27] <zeeshan-laptop> if i didnt have my side business, i would be broke
[00:34:50] <zeeshan-laptop> thats why in usa, a lot of people who do graduate studies are either on scholarships
[00:34:53] <zeeshan-laptop> or rich parents
[00:35:16] <jdh> I finished paying off my student loans for mine a few months ago
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[00:35:18] <CaptHindsight> can you declare bankruptcy in Canada if you can't make your student loans?
[00:36:33] <zeeshan-laptop> ya CaptHindsight, but you get screwed for 6 years
[00:36:43] <zeeshan-laptop> jdh: how long ago did you finish school
[00:37:34] <jdh> 4 years?
[00:37:41] <zeeshan-laptop> thats not bad
[00:38:03] <jdh> it wasn't much of a degree
[00:38:03] <zeeshan-laptop> okay its home time!!!!!!
[00:38:08] <zeeshan-laptop> what was it
[00:38:11] <jdh> but, it looks good enough on paper.
[00:38:23] <jdh> MS, Industrial Technology
[00:38:27] <zeeshan-laptop> i know enough people that wont hire wihout masters
[00:38:33] <zeeshan-laptop> if you wanna work in in r&d
[00:38:41] <zeeshan-laptop> it wasnt like that back in the day =/
[00:38:42] <jdh> I want to not work
[00:38:59] <zeeshan-laptop> you just wanna dive!
[00:39:13] <zeeshan-laptop> bbl
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[00:39:16] <jdh> nah.... I'd like to bike when I wasn't diving.
[00:45:22] <ssi> I just did so many barrel rolls
[00:45:23] <ssi> lol
[00:46:08] <jdh> in a plane? or with google?
[00:46:12] <ssi> in a plane :P
[00:47:48] <furrywolf> Jymmm: becuase the maf sensor (and the rest of the engine) has been transplanted to a different vehicle with a different intake. forum solution just says to put the stock airbox back in and stop being a stupid ricer, but that's not helpful when the problem is it's not in the same car...
[00:48:04] <ssi> standalone
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[00:50:39] <furrywolf> I've never done a barrel roll, and not sure I care to. being wheelbarrowed, on the other hand....
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[01:01:19] <greg__> Measure resonator volume with water. duplicate joining tube cross section area and length and make your own resonator
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[01:02:40] <furrywolf> I'd have to put it by the throttle body before the MAF rather than at the air filter after the MAF... not sure that'd have the same effect.
[01:03:24] <furrywolf> I have plenty of room on top of the tranny, and none over at the fender.
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[01:04:47] <furrywolf> hrmm, which way is before and after when it comes to intake plumbing? lol
[01:07:02] <furrywolf> apparantly on some other years you can fix the problem in ecu mapping... I'm tempted to emulate that with a little uC stuck in the maf wiring.
[01:07:33] <furrywolf> apparantly the ecu that can fix it (for an 11 year newer model than mine) has a table with throttle position and engine rpm, giving maf scaling factor.
[01:07:54] <furrywolf> so if you know that a combination of throttle position and engine rpm causes the maf to suck, you can enter that...
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[01:08:54] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Well, tit you try the stock airbox at least?
[01:08:59] <Jymmm> did*
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[01:09:41] <furrywolf> so I'd just need to monitor the TPS (0-5V analog) and rpm (tach signal, who knows what it looks like, probably just run through a capacitor and filter for zero crossings), and then either output a signal to an analog multiplier to scale the maf signal, or read the maf (0-5V), scale in software, output with dac...
[01:09:49] <furrywolf> no. I do not have a stock airbox. never had one.
[01:10:16] <furrywolf> and the part in question is stuffed inside the fender, so you have to take the fender off the car to pull it, making it hard to get from a junkyard easily.
[01:10:48] <Jymmm> well then, stop being a stupid ricer =)
[01:11:20] <furrywolf> as it turns out, my choice if a different intake was due to their being no way to fit the stock one...
[01:11:25] <furrywolf> there
[01:11:39] <Jymmm> That always bugs me; the crap they engineer into the fenderwells
[01:12:08] <Jymmm> hondas do half/most of the washer reservoir in the fender
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[01:13:10] <Jymmm> That reminds me, I need to find lens for my headlights
[01:13:12] <RyanS> archivist, do you know much about this style of voltmeter?
http://www.urbanremainschicago.com/products/old-electric-switchboard-components/hard-to-find-early-20th-century-american-antique-industrial-cast-iron-weston-voltmeter-with-original-swing-out-cast-iron-bracket.html or
http://ogtstore.com/architectural/special-finds/original-antique-voltmeter/
[01:14:41] <Jymmm> DC, so that would have been Edison, not Tesla
[01:15:23] <furrywolf> what do you want to know about it? that (the second link, I skipped the too-long-to-paste one) works just like a modern analog panel meter.
[01:16:13] <furrywolf> also, be warned many such items for sale online are stolen by dealers pretending to be urbexers and taking a lot more than photos.
[01:17:34] <Computer_barf> urbexers?
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[01:18:37] <furrywolf> urban explorers
[01:19:00] <furrywolf> people who expore abandonned structures for fun. standard code of conduct is to "take only photos" - that is, don't steal shit.
[01:19:10] <furrywolf> explore
[01:20:47] <RyanS> could they be used safely? or perhaps better to stick a servo and mini arduino inside
[01:20:59] <Computer_barf> ahh. I don't go full mutualist but it sounds alot like abandoned property.
[01:21:21] <furrywolf> common places to explore include old hospitals and mental institutions, factories, power plants, sewers, mines, etc.
[01:21:50] <Computer_barf> in detroit there was alot of that.
[01:22:27] <greg__> what kind of a car did you put the subie boxer in?
[01:22:34] <furrywolf> perhaps, but normally the police let them go if they get caught and they say they were just exploring. when others start stealing stuff, then the cops start assuming they're there to steal stuff, and everyone suffers.
[01:22:40] <furrywolf> greg__: '84 subaru wagon
[01:23:49] <greg__> I know somebody who has explored buildings in detroit sounds pretty scary with the type of people that tend to hang out at those places
[01:23:54] <furrywolf> the few people stealing stuff result in everyone having to deal with cops, barricaded entrances, etc. same with the people who get themselves hurt, and property owners and government busybodies then decide sites are lawsuit-bait and need to be demolished or barricaded...
[01:24:32] <RyanS> im designing a 'steampunk' lamp but something that actually has functioning mechanisms, not just slap plumbing fittings togther
[01:24:36] <Computer_barf> yeah im hearing alot of collectivist rhetoric
[01:25:26] <furrywolf> what type of lamp needs a meter? :P
[01:26:04] <furrywolf> machine a piece of steel to look like an old meter housing, age it with some acid then wire brush it, stick a modern panel meter behind the window in it.
[01:26:06] <Computer_barf> anyway opens up a wider debate than the wife arriving allows for
[01:26:59] <roycroft> a steampunk lamp has a mantle, not a meter
[01:27:31] <RyanS> well... typical plumbing fitting steampunk lamp have steam guages, but thats dumb
[01:27:43] <RyanS> mantle?
[01:27:58] <roycroft> as in coleman lantern
[01:28:00] <furrywolf> nernst glower! you can make them out of kitchen knives.
[01:28:06] <roycroft> to use a modern equivalent
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[01:28:50] <roycroft> a radioactive cone mesh
[01:28:52] <furrywolf> you can get large mantles from aladdin oil lamps, if you ever need one.
[01:29:02] * roycroft collects aladdin lamps
[01:29:09] * roycroft has heaps of mantles, mostly nos
[01:29:12] <furrywolf> aladdin lamps are pretty impressive, and will light up a room like a 40W bulb or so...
[01:29:27] <furrywolf> ohh! I got one that was molested. want to send me a flame spreader? :P
[01:29:28] <roycroft> yes, i actually use mine
[01:29:41] <RyanS> furrywolf i thought of scratch built, but it'd lack character perhaps
[01:29:54] <furrywolf> I had two, then I loaned the neighbor one that will probably never come back, then I just got another free at a yard sale a couple weeks ago... that's the molested one.
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[01:30:20] <furrywolf> it has no flame spreader, mantle, or some other bits (I didn't poke at it closely), and they were just burning it as a regular oil lamp.
[01:30:20] <roycroft> i picked one up at a garage sale recently
[01:30:38] <roycroft> it was a white lincoln drape lamp, and i got it for $20
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[01:30:51] <roycroft> it looked promising, so i rushed home and put it under a black light
[01:30:57] <greg2> they get torn down because of the people who are not interested in exploring
[01:30:58] <roycroft> indeed, it glowed
[01:31:15] <RyanS> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/261930496687 you cant replice this
[01:31:21] <roycroft> which told me it contained uranium oxide, and dated it to the early '40s or before
[01:31:25] <furrywolf> RyanS:
http://www.nernst.de/lamp/nernstlamp.htm genuinely steampunk lamps. :)
[01:31:26] <greg2> i got 2.7 installed on 10.04, but now anm trying to remember what I did on this box to get video to work
[01:31:39] <roycroft> worth about $300 in its condition, so i scored well on that
[01:31:58] <malcom2073> RyanS: junk fair near here has ALL sorts of old gauges like that from the 20-30's
[01:32:24] <malcom2073> Next year I'ma buy a bunch, didn't this past year unfortunatly
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[01:33:06] <furrywolf> RyanS: you could machine a piece that looked like that, and stick a $3 modern meter behind it
[01:33:49] <furrywolf> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hot-Sale-Black-AC-0-300V-Round-Analog-Dial-Panel-Meter-Voltmeter-Gauge-/221602298525 like one of those with the ears lopped off
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[01:34:39] <RyanS> i suppose, but i dont have cnc
[01:34:41] <furrywolf> sure, it won't be quite as shiny, but it'll be a whole lot cheaper...
[01:34:49] <furrywolf> cast alu? :)
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[01:36:54] <RyanS> ooooo, 3d print pattern, sand cast brass
[01:37:03] <furrywolf> yes, you could do that.
[01:37:20] <furrywolf> oooooor.... brass paint the 3d printed object. :P
[01:37:42] <RyanS> thats poxy
[01:37:47] <furrywolf> I mean, the entire point of steampunk seems to be being as utterly impractical as possible...
[01:38:18] <tiwake> not entirely
[01:38:48] <RyanS> yes but i detest hot glued plastic shit
[01:39:01] <furrywolf> ssi bought a $150 airplane gauge and found it was 3d printed, poorly at that. so 3d printing is entirely sufficient for a steampunk decorative gauge.
[01:39:56] <furrywolf> heh, this is actually a good use for 3d printing. there's not many of those.
[01:41:04] <tiwake> http://www.thinkcomputers.org/articles/casemodfriday/steampunkd-large.jpg
[01:41:28] <tiwake> steampunk look, but not useless
[01:41:55] <furrywolf> ah yes, the utterly useless "let's stick random gears to things" steampunking process...
[01:42:16] <furrywolf> and tubes!
[01:42:26] <furrywolf> (of the valve variety)
[01:42:36] <tiwake> enh, yeah, you could take those away and it would still have the steampunk look :P
[01:42:38] <furrywolf> hopefully they at least hooked the heaters up to the 5v bus. :P
[01:42:46] <RyanS> I think steampunk needs metal, *functional* gears, working mechanisms, not hot glue
[01:44:29] <tiwake> I bet you could take a car door with mechanical roll up windows, make the side of the door out of something like acrylic, and all the gears out of brass
[01:44:52] <tiwake> for a functional steampunk look
[01:45:15] <RyanS> look..... pvc ewww
http://steampunk.wonderhowto.com/inspiration/28-most-popular-steampunk-materials-your-local-hardware-store-0141461/
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[01:47:13] <furrywolf> I was at a yard sale that had some old tools for sale. one of them was a nice really old ridge reamer (for engine rebuilds). some girl was asking about it, and the seller was telling her about the parts with it, etc... she said "oh, I don't care about any of that, I just want it for my steampunk art". he then told her to get the fuck out of his sale and he was going to sell it to someone who'd actually use it. I laughed pretty hard. :)
[01:47:15] <tiwake> honestly, screw steampunk. modern minimalist is best look anyway
[01:47:59] <RyanS> furrywolf i like your scratchbuild gauge idea, but how to replace the modern needle
[01:48:24] <furrywolf> don't?
[01:48:38] <RyanS> minimalist is ok, but depends
[01:48:42] <furrywolf> it's balanced, so just adding to it would be hard, and you'd have to dismantle it...
[01:49:41] <RyanS> a red thin needle would look crap
[01:50:02] <PetefromTn_> thats pretty cool stuff kinda reminds me of one of my favorite movies ever 20000 leagues under the sea
[01:50:26] <furrywolf> RyanS: why all the fake guns? if you're going to go to that much work, at least put an air reservoir and a solenoid valve on it, and stuff a potato down the end...
[01:50:55] <tiwake> furrywolf: or a marble
[01:51:43] <tiwake> why is pulseaudio bad?
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[01:52:18] <RyanS> haha "fuck off steampunk hipster girl, this is mans tool"
[01:53:02] <furrywolf> tiwake: do you want a list, an essay, a series of anecdotes, or a mathematical proof?
[01:53:07] <RyanS> who cares as long as you sell
[01:53:12] <furrywolf> because it's bad in every possible way. :P
[01:53:49] <greg2> pet rock made somebody rich
[01:53:57] <PetefromTn_> i need to build some sort of auto feed for my 12 in bandsaw
[01:54:19] <greg2> vertical?
[01:54:24] <furrywolf> http://hexonal.deviantart.com/art/Steampunk-wrist-gun-1-87998310 see, if I were to build something like that, it would WORK.
[01:54:29] <PetefromTn_> horiz
[01:54:53] <furrywolf> there's plenty of room there to make it a fully functional co2-powered BB gun.
[01:54:57] <tiwake> furrywolf: donno... its nice to be able to split the audio several different directions, but I havent had to do it where latency was an issue
[01:55:13] <greg2> for automated cutting
[01:55:14] <furrywolf> and then it'd have a good excuse for a bunch more tubes and a gauge. :P
[01:55:19] <PetefromTn_> sure
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[01:56:34] <furrywolf> even if you didn't want to deal with loading and it only fired 4 shots, at least it'd do something...
[01:56:54] <RyanS> hahaha
http://tinyurl.com/nz4jn25
[01:57:25] <RyanS> i even tinyurl'd it
[01:58:10] <furrywolf> lol
[01:58:31] <PetefromTn_> do you make those?
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[02:34:33] <furrywolf> quote of the day: "it's MUCH more likely that you're simply doing it wrong"
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[02:53:27] <furrywolf> grrrr, why do some stores make you sign up just to purchase one item?
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[03:11:40] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/bpo/5100485794.html can anyone make out the date codes on those? from the best squinting I can do, they look like they're 9.5 years old?
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[03:14:10] <furrywolf> if he's selling 10 year old batteries and claiming they're new, I'm going to offer him $8/each. :P
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[03:31:41] <Valen> furrywolf: so they ca spam you, duh
[03:32:37] <Valen> also which image has date code?
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[03:36:22] <furrywolf> second image shows date code on top of negative battery post (looks to me like L 5) and the melted-in line/date/etc code (very hard to read, mayve ends in B6?), third image shows sticker (clearly E6, but stickers aren't as useful as the stamped codes) and the peel-out bubbles for the warranty, which look like they start with a "0" not a "1".
[03:38:19] <cradek> I think I agree the bubbles are 04 05 06 07 08 09
[03:38:58] <furrywolf> really would be nice if craigslist didn't overcompress their images so badly...
[03:39:44] <Valen> I read it as P08 on the battery terminal
[03:39:55] <furrywolf> positive or negative?
[03:39:55] <Valen> above the terminal
[03:40:03] <Valen> oh duh
[03:40:06] <furrywolf> LOL
[03:40:06] <Valen> that was POS
[03:40:09] <furrywolf> that says POS. :P
[03:40:18] <furrywolf> stamped into the lead on the terminal. :)
[03:40:55] <Valen> nfi ;->
[03:41:38] <furrywolf> neg looks like L5 to me, which is the one that matters...
[03:42:34] <furrywolf> L5 would be 12/2015 or 12/2005. since they weren't made in 12/2015...
[03:44:01] <furrywolf> between the terminal date code, the sticker (E6 would be filled in may 2006), and the bubbles looking like they have 0s, I rather suspect they're ten years old. and yet he's selling them as new.
[03:46:06] <furrywolf> grids poured in 12/2005 and battery finished 5/2006 is a perfectly reasonable combination.
[03:46:42] <furrywolf> they make them in advance and don't fill them until they're being shipped out
[03:47:48] <furrywolf> s/poured/stamped
[03:49:20] <furrywolf> I rather could use some working batteries, but if they're ten years old, even if they hold a charge, I'm not paying over scrap value.
[03:56:12] <furrywolf> heh, close to nil googling for them... I suspect they might have been discontinued... most forum threads from 2005ish. lol
[03:56:55] <furrywolf> stupid fucking crooks on craigslist.
[03:57:42] <pcw_home> maybe more a mix of ignorance and high hopes
[03:58:36] <furrywolf> it's kinda hard to confuse "new" and "ten years old".
[03:58:52] <pcw_home> new as in not used...
[04:00:28] <furrywolf> except they have wires dangling off them... :P
[04:01:02] <pcw_home> well one hopes they kept them charged
[04:02:08] <PetefromTn_> hehe
[04:02:18] <PetefromTn_> amazes me some of the shit I see on Craigslist
[04:02:37] <PetefromTn_> especially what some jackholes think they can get for a beat up piece of shit rusted out jeep LOL
[04:02:39] <furrywolf> I sent him an email saying that the date codes are hard to read, but they look like they're ten years old, and is he sure they're new?...
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[06:11:18] <Cromalious> and the cobwebs
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[06:45:25] <Deejay> moin
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[06:51:34] <t12> anyone know a small bay area shop that will do some 1off surface grinding
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[07:05:26] <Crom> right next to mcbride hardware there was a great little machine shop in richmond.
[07:06:17] <Crom> san pablo and mcbride just behind the ampm
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[07:16:03] <t12> streetview seems to say
[07:16:06] <t12> a&k machine shop
[07:16:29] <t12> i'll give them a call thanks!
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[07:17:06] <t12> i was looking at warehouse space in richmond
[07:17:16] <t12> theres some neet spots and its pretty cheap for the area
[07:17:22] <t12> because people are scared of the iron triangle
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[08:31:16] <Crom> hehe north richmond, used to go in there between 7:30am and we always left before 11am before the druggies got up
[08:31:28] <Crom> cleaning sewer lines
[08:32:31] <Crom> my dad lives just up the hill from there..
[08:32:47] <Crom> the A&K machine
[08:33:14] <Crom> thaat ace is one of the BEST hardware stores around
[08:39:44] <Crom> oh man they torn down the warehouses on giant road and build aparments
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[08:43:16] <Crom> hmm brookside dr west of the tracks around where crown cork used to be... what kind of space you looking for? machine shop or storage?
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[08:46:29] <t12> was dreaming about a shop
[08:46:32] <t12> but not really realistic
[08:46:44] <t12> became easier to dream the shop into a mini version into my existing house
[08:46:46] <t12> and just make room
[08:46:52] <t12> was getting tired of the city but got over it
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[09:05:45] <Crom> Well I grew up in richmond heights (just outside the city limits on Ralston. I've lived in SF, Walnut Creek, Moraga, and Antioch.
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[09:14:05] <Crom> oh and Oakland just north of china town,
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[13:11:36] <MattyMatt> t12 a house is a machine for living in. The only machines you need for living are a bed, a cooker and a washing machine (assuming a machine shop already needs a kettle and shitter) so I'd be looking for a machine shop with a little bunkhouse on top. you know it makes sense :)
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[13:16:25] <sysdef> .o( ...and a machine to create fancy stuff )
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[13:19:35] <archivist> scale it right
http://www.collection.archivist.info/Dads_Shed.JPG
[13:20:43] <furrywolf> archivist: you'd never get planning approval for a shed like that these days.
[13:22:02] <archivist> I think buying the shed and sneaking a bed in is the easiest :)
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[13:25:02] <furrywolf> heh, got a reply from the "new" battery guy... "It seams they're a little older than I thought"
[13:28:45] <furrywolf> I'm offering him $8/each. :P
[13:28:56] <furrywolf> at scrap lead value, at least I can't lose money.
[13:29:39] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Pb?
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[13:41:55] <furrywolf> yes
[13:42:09] <furrywolf> http://humboldt.craigslist.org/bpo/5100485794.html
[13:42:19] <furrywolf> "New" batteries...
[13:47:07] <jthornton> look how faded the containers are
[13:52:46] <gonzo_> furrywolf, are you talking about UK planning permission?
[13:52:55] <gonzo_> if so:
http://planningjungle.com/wp-content/uploads/Part-1-of-the-GPDO-The-10-Worst-Permitted-Development-Loopholes.pdf
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[14:03:20] <SpeedEvil> She is in California
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[14:08:01] <furrywolf> yes, here in california we have permits. I think archivist is in the land of planning permission, however....
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[14:11:19] * furrywolf thinks both should be scrapped, and the right to do whatever the fuck you want on your own property, as long as it doesn't harm others, should be recognized.
[14:12:39] <furrywolf> that pdf claims everything shown is bad. I think that they're allowed is a good thing.
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[14:21:16] <cradek> I recently visited a city with NO zoning rules. It looked like a very strange and unpleasant place to live.
[14:21:50] <_methods> you mean bangkok lol
[14:22:34] <_methods> definitely a disaster but definitely my favorite city in the world
[14:22:52] <skunkworks> people complain about the rules but complain more when the neighbors house falls over on theirs. or starts on fire and burns their house down.. or...
[14:23:16] <cradek> or the neighbor is a pig farmer or a railroad
[14:23:41] <cradek> or a parking garage
[14:24:34] <skunkworks> oil refinery?
[14:25:16] <cradek> I really like the idea of zoning, where I can buy property for a residence and have some assurance it will continue to be surrounded by residences, not factories
[14:25:33] <cradek> I think that kind of planning and cooperation is important
[14:25:53] <furrywolf> skunkworks: maybe you missed the part about "as long as it doesn't harm others"? also, structural and fire issues are entirely to do with building codes, and absolutely nothing to do with permits / planning permission.
[14:26:09] <cradek> yeah, I'm talking about zoning, not permits
[14:26:47] <cradek> but to me, the libertarian ideal of "do whatever you want with your own property" implies the lack of both kinds of protection
[14:26:53] <archivist> we have building regulations, planning and zoning (which the planners take into account when granting/denying)
[14:27:20] <cradek> fwiw, "doesn't harm others" is the idea and rationale behind both systems
[14:27:26] <furrywolf> cradek: "as long as it doesn't harm others". opening a polluting, smelly, loud factory next to someone's house probably harms them.
[14:27:27] <cradek> it's a way to codify that
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[14:27:42] <archivist> and for extra, historic buildings are "listed" and need more hoops to jump though
[14:27:49] <cradek> furrywolf: sure but you have to codify it. "I feel harmed" doesn't mean anything.
[14:28:14] <furrywolf> the current system claims you're harmed because you don't like the neighbor's paint color, or because they want to tinker in their shed, or because they had an extra kid and need more room, or...
[14:28:39] <Roguish> hey all. a little help/info please. I was using gmocappy last evening. all good. but...the screen started getting 'jerky'. essentially not updating very smoothly. after an hour or so it pretty much got to where it was refreshing every 20 or 30 seconds, sometimes longer. the motion never stopped, just the screen refreshes. waz up with that?
[14:29:18] <Roguish> i've never experienced the problem before using Axis.
[14:29:30] <furrywolf> archivist: there's bullshit about historic buildings here too. in a great example, a local theater had to close its doors. why? the disability laws required them to widen the bathrooms. the historic building laws required them not to make any major changes to the structure, and the bathrooms were in the middle of the building with historic stairwells on either side. solution: close the doors.
[14:29:32] <cradek> Roguish: perhaps gmocapy has a memory leak. watch it in top.
[14:29:58] <Roguish> that's what I was thinking. now gotta gire out how to
[14:30:02] <Roguish> watch it'
[14:30:24] <archivist> is the box short on memory anyway
[14:30:37] <Roguish> no.
[14:31:05] <MrSunshine> hmm im trying to make a casting pattern in the cnc .. its 10cm thick so i need to slice it to 19mm thick sections .. now the problem .. i to cut it from one side is just fine, thing is that its hollow on the other side in a pattern and i need to route that out also with draft angles etc .. how the heck would i do that =) i guess i could figure out the slices, flip them upside down and cut out the hollow parts in
[14:31:05] <MrSunshine> slices also somehow =)
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[14:32:22] <shaun413> hello
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[14:32:34] <shaun413> I need a dust shoe for a cnc router
[14:32:36] <shaun413> any good designs?
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[14:33:33] <furrywolf> didn't you ask that before?
[14:33:33] <Rab> shaun413, what are you using for a spindle? Someone may have already designed something compatible.
[14:33:37] <archivist> how can we possibly know
[14:33:40] <furrywolf> and get that answer before?
[14:33:43] <shaun413> its a chinese 6040 router
[14:33:59] <furrywolf> and get a link to a site with models for a bunch of designs?
[14:34:35] <archivist> I remember that reply too
[14:34:38] <greg> cradek, I ended up installing the old 2.5.x iso on my 933MHz box and upgrading to 2.7. I really need to document things better as I'd forgotten everything. I have a small problem. 2.7 doesn't like the line "loadrt pwmgen output_type=0" loadrt not recognized
[14:35:09] <Rab> That's weird-looking:
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:536097
[14:35:39] <Rab> Better for airflow than most designs, probably.
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[14:43:58] <_methods> MrSunshine: do you have a model of what you're trying to make
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[14:45:45] <cradek> greg: pastebin the whole error?
[14:45:58] <greg> has hal language changed much since 2.5? specifically pwmgen? my spindle pwm code is no good.
[14:46:20] <greg> I fond an extra loadrt, but now it's somethign else
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[15:02:35] <_methods> alright oregon is legalizing weed now heheh
[15:02:43] <_methods> 8 oz in your house and 4 plants
[15:03:15] <PetefromTn_> when are ya movin'?
[15:03:21] <_methods> hahah never
[15:03:26] <_methods> all my family lives there
[15:03:36] <PetefromTn_> visit win!
[15:03:44] <_methods> or the majority of them live in and around portland
[15:04:00] <PetefromTn_> I have always wanted to visit there after watching the Goonies movie.
[15:04:05] <_methods> hahah
[15:04:08] <_methods> yeah
[15:04:22] <_methods> i think that was filmed around newport beach maybe
[15:04:32] <PetefromTn_> ca?
[15:04:38] <_methods> newport oregon
[15:04:41] <PetefromTn_> ah
[15:05:05] <PetefromTn_> was gonna say I used to surf in Newport beach years ago and I don't recall it looking like this
[15:05:23] <_methods> haha no they have sand down there
[15:05:32] <_methods> all you get in oregon and washington is rocks
[15:05:48] <PetefromTn_> https://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/5061285050.html LOL Steampunk welder?
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[15:06:45] <_methods> $1200 for a vacuum cleaner/welder
[15:07:06] <PetefromTn_> Looks really cool but I would be scared shitless to plug the damn thing in heh
[15:07:11] <_methods> good idea to combine a shopvac with your welder though
[15:07:18] <_methods> yeah it looks liek a baby dalek
[15:07:29] <_methods> exterminate
[15:08:06] <PetefromTn_> Looks like a steampunk R2D2
[15:08:11] <_methods> heheh
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[15:12:17] <roycroft> if you're talking about the goonies, it was filmed in astoria and the seaside-canon beach area
[15:12:31] <PetefromTn_> sweet
[15:13:08] <PetefromTn_> I loved how the homes looked on the mountainsides and the oceanfront looks really cool/different to what I am used to.
[15:13:30] <roycroft> yes
[15:13:36] <roycroft> i've been all over tennessee
[15:13:43] <roycroft> i know for your part of the world
[15:14:00] <roycroft> and while quite beautiful in its own right, it's quite different from our coastal geography
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[15:15:10] <roycroft> back in the '80s my now ex and i were vacationing with her kids in astoria, and we found the neighborhood where the goonies kids lived
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[15:15:39] <roycroft> things have changed there now such that when i was last in astoria i could not find that area any more
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[15:16:12] <roycroft> not that it's beel bulldozed or anything, but the usual additions/remodeling/repainting over the years has made it difficult to find the houses used in the film
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[15:28:57] <PetefromTn_> I think that would be fun to try to find them. Never been there and don't have any family or reason to go really. It would also be nice to visit cape disappointment and the USCG Motor lifeboat station
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[15:29:30] <PetefromTn_> I am sure there are other things to see like the space needle and stuff too.
[15:31:10] <ssi> morn
[15:31:45] <furrywolf> no answer yet after I offered the guy $8. methinks I may never get one. :)
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[15:32:03] <PetefromTn_> http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Morn?file=Morn.jpg LOL I love morn...
[15:32:30] <ssi> lol
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[15:46:21] <skunkworks> and backlash doesn't come up once...
http://www.openbuilds.com/threads/just-built-ox-cnc-but-it-is-doing-something-strange.2159/
[15:47:31] <_methods> either that or some bad cutter comp lol
[15:49:12] <_methods> the one guy actually says it could be mechanical
[15:49:21] <_methods> he doesn't say backlash specifically
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[15:53:48] <cradek> I built a machine out of drinking straws and jello and seven dremel tools, and I blame the software
[15:54:18] <cradek> (note: I don't know what his machine is)
[15:54:25] <_methods> it's a shapeoko
[15:54:27] <_methods> lol
[15:54:45] <cradek> it's a gollywaddle
[15:54:55] <_methods> yeah
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[15:56:12] <_methods> hah jon stewart is inviting all his conservative enemies to his final show
[15:56:38] <cradek> well without them he'd have no funny source material
[15:56:46] <archivist> I wonder too if the flexible machine is bending
[15:56:55] <roycroft> there are plenty on the left who provide good material
[15:57:03] <_methods> yeah he basically owes donald trump his job
[15:57:04] <_methods> lol
[15:57:08] <cradek> heh
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[15:57:39] <roycroft> well he is ending his show in the middle of silly season
[15:57:56] <roycroft> so yes, he's very thankful that the donald will provide him material to fill his last few weeks
[15:57:57] <cradek> yeah just as the clown car is getting full
[15:58:14] <roycroft> and he has thanked him profusely on his show on multiple occasions
[15:58:23] <_methods> hahah
[15:58:27] <_methods> i'll miss the daily show
[15:58:33] <roycroft> it's not ending
[15:58:37] <_methods> whatever
[15:58:38] <_methods> lol
[15:58:39] <roycroft> but you'll miss jon stewart
[15:58:47] <roycroft> there was a daily show before him
[15:58:48] <_methods> just won't be the same
[15:58:57] <_methods> yeah craig was alirhgit
[15:59:10] <roycroft> i miss the colbert report
[15:59:32] <roycroft> but i'm warming up to larry wilmore on the nightly show
[15:59:53] <roycroft> i did not like him at first, but i think that's just because he's not stephen colbert
[16:00:19] <_methods> i like larry but i don't like the table shows like that
[16:00:28] <_methods> never been able to get into that format
[16:00:36] <roycroft> bill maher does a good job of it
[16:00:45] <roycroft> but most folks don't do those panel shows very well
[16:01:10] <roycroft> maher succeeds because he always has a wingnut on his show
[16:01:36] <_methods> i just can't get into panel shows
[16:01:45] <_methods> not sure what it is
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[16:04:42] <CaptHindsight> whatever happened to Craig Kilborn?
[16:08:47] <CaptHindsight> John Oliver has a great new show but it's on HBO
[16:10:14] <roycroft> you can watch it on youtube the day after
[16:10:20] <roycroft> and yes, it's a great show
[16:10:37] <greg> cradek, I found the problem. an invisible character in the hal file. only found it by backspacing at the beggining of the line.
[16:11:20] <greg> oh and parport was 1 in the old install now it's 0
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[16:20:06] <_methods> craig thought he was famous and tried to do some stuff on his own
[16:20:30] <_methods> i think now he usually plays some sad extra part in bad movies
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[16:26:07] <furrywolf> argh... I am getting really fucking sick of being useless.
[16:27:14] <MrSunshine> _methods: yeah but not on this computer, its a rectangle with a pocket on the front side and webbing on the other side =)
[16:27:42] <MrSunshine> i can post it later if i remember . .gonna go and cad on the gantrysupport later today =)
[16:28:34] <SpeedEvil> 'The Bugle' is more john oliver - and recommended - but has somewhat stalled since his HBO show
[16:28:38] <SpeedEvil> - a podcast
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[16:30:03] <SpeedEvil> https://soundcloud.com/the-bugle/bugle-289-turbo-russia - was a good oe
[16:30:04] <SpeedEvil> one
[16:30:27] <furrywolf> I have too many things I need to be doing, but it hurts too much to move.
[16:30:40] <furrywolf> I should be at work right now, too. I have no money and every day I lose more not working.
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[16:32:27] <SpeedEvil> :/
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[16:56:37] <zeeshan> wow
[16:56:44] <zeeshan> sleeping in felt good. happy canada day!
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[16:59:15] <furrywolf> meh
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[17:00:28] * furrywolf is not happy
[17:01:12] <zeeshan> be happy
[17:03:27] <furrywolf> I'm useless. this makes me unhappy.
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[17:07:03] <zeeshan> im useless too today
[17:07:05] <zeeshan> everything is closed
[17:07:08] <zeeshan> i need a needle valve :(
[17:08:05] <robinsz> PetefromTn_, one thing I forgot to mentio you need for your anodizing setup
[17:08:34] <robinsz> get a copy of Cannings Handbook
[17:08:35] <PetefromTn_> skills?
[17:08:44] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[17:08:54] <robinsz> its the bible on electro metal finishing
[17:09:16] <PetefromTn_> OK
[17:09:40] <robinsz> its like ... well ... you knowhow all electronics engineers have a copy of Horowitz and Hill ... well, platers and anodizers have Cannings Handbook
[17:09:50] <robinsz> it gives you all the secret sauce
[17:10:31] <robinsz> I have my copy here on the shelf above the bench :)
[17:10:44] <PetefromTn_> send it to me :D
[17:10:55] <robinsz> if you were in Cali ...
[17:11:17] <PetefromTn_> I used to be..
[17:11:26] <robinsz> we have a place in Ventura
[17:11:42] <PetefromTn_> Love that song
[17:11:48] <zeeshan> guys this is 2015
[17:11:59] <robinsz> it is?
[17:12:05] <robinsz> you *sure*?
[17:12:12] <PetefromTn_> and
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[17:16:54] <ssi> wat
[17:17:34] <SpeedEvil> I'm holding out for it still being 1985
[17:18:22] <furrywolf> ... huh?
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[17:21:23] <zeeshan> sorry back
[17:21:26] <zeeshan> its 2015
[17:21:31] <zeeshan> you follow ASM international!
[17:21:36] <zeeshan> and books are in pdf :P
[17:22:54] <furrywolf> I've had very bad luck finding books in pdf form. they're either impossible to find, or they're crap scans or otherwise useless.
[17:23:02] <zeeshan> i has ALL!!!
[17:23:14] <zeeshan> i learned this from my mentor
[17:23:22] <furrywolf> I believe the problem has more to do with publishers not updating their lawyers on the 21st century than anything to do with technology.
[17:24:32] <zeeshan> "a good mechanical engineer has the right resources"
[17:24:32] <zeeshan> lol
[17:24:32] <zeeshan> (he consults for crane companies)
[17:24:32] <zeeshan> thought that was a cool job
[17:24:32] <spline> yeah its funny when there's no mobi/epub/pdf now
[17:24:32] <spline> sucks also
[17:24:32] <ssi> gud
[17:24:38] <ssi> aoeu
[17:25:09] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Quite. I'd actually like to pay for some books in epub form
[17:25:28] <ssi> I can't make this damn servo drive enable for nothin
[17:25:38] <zeeshan> ssi
[17:25:41] <zeeshan> you ground it !
[17:25:48] <furrywolf> I won't use any format with drm... can't remember which ones that is now though. somehow every time I've found a book it's been a pdf.
[17:25:51] <zeeshan> are you working with the fanuc?
[17:26:12] <ssi> yes
[17:26:20] <ssi> not fanuc drives
[17:26:22] <ssi> amc drives
[17:26:24] <zeeshan> oh
[17:26:27] <zeeshan> which one ?
[17:26:28] <ssi> and I'm not talking about the actual enable signal
[17:26:35] <ssi> BE25A20AC
[17:26:43] <zeeshan> what are you talkin about then
[17:26:46] <zeeshan> if not the enable signal
[17:26:53] <ssi> they won't enable if the hallstates aren't valid
[17:27:01] <zeeshan> ownt
[17:27:15] <zeeshan> did you enable em by disabling hall states
[17:27:17] <zeeshan> to make sur ethe drive works?
[17:27:20] <ssi> yes
[17:27:38] <ssi> if I put it in 60 degree mode, it'll enable and lock up the motor but I couldn't make it spin
[17:27:55] <zeeshan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cgoigmx4r6cccdo/ASM%20Metals%20HandBook%20Volume%205%20-%20Surface%20Engineering.pdf?dl=0
[17:28:11] <furrywolf> if you want amc drives, my neighbor has two eagles on the front lawn. :P
[17:28:30] <ssi> I'd prefer a gremlin
[17:28:39] <_methods> lol
[17:28:51] <_methods> chevette
[17:29:07] <furrywolf> 4x4!
[17:30:59] <zeeshan> whoops just realized there was a copyright on this
[17:31:01] <zeeshan> delete delete delete
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[17:35:22] <furrywolf> ... you post a pdf then delete it before anyone can get it?
[17:35:49] <ssi> dick move bruh
[17:36:28] <robinsz> zeeshan, you don't get the same depth of secret suace that Cannings Handbook will give you
[17:37:32] <zeeshan> robinsz: have you read it
[17:37:58] <robinsz> I have seen it sometime in the past
[17:38:50] <robinsz> I'm sure it is very good
[17:39:05] <robinsz> It's like .. I am sure there are many good oscilloscopes out there
[17:39:12] <robinsz> but I have a tektronix
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[17:39:46] * furrywolf has three teks
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[17:43:35] <archivist> I have tek and a canning book or few
[17:43:46] <zeeshan> ofcourse you do!
[17:43:48] <zeeshan> youre the archivist
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[17:46:58] <furrywolf> argh! I'm starting to get really pissed off here.
[17:47:31] <zeeshan> take a deep breath
[17:48:51] <furrywolf> that hurts.
[17:51:06] <Jymmm> dont breath
[17:51:45] <furrywolf> that has other complications.
[17:57:50] <PetefromTn_> I had a redneck neighbor that built a Gremlin drag car. It was completely black and honestly after seeing it I almost wanted one LOL. It was pretty badass!!
[17:58:25] <_methods> a polished turd is still a turd
[17:58:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah but it was a REALLY SHINY FAST ASS turd
[17:58:44] <Jymmm> _methods: makes great fertilizer
[17:58:49] <_methods> hahah
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[17:59:55] <PetefromTn_> He took a lot of pride in it and built the motor from the AMC's largest small block available at the time. Car ran low nines...
[18:00:16] <furrywolf> gremlins are only 2wd. eagles are 4wd.
[18:00:30] <PetefromTn_> so?
[18:01:11] <furrywolf> so... if you want an old amc car, get the better one? :P
[18:02:52] <PetefromTn_> better is debatable here... besides the eagle was an ugly little tuss.
[18:03:12] <furrywolf> heh. I think the gremlin is one of the ugliest vehicles ever made.
[18:04:18] <Jymmm> I think you forgot about the Ford Granada
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[18:05:01] <Jymmm> nm, it wasn't THAT ugly
[18:05:38] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ctamo.com/CAMO-Cars/Martin/Gremlin3.JPG Honestly it is not THAT bad... His had a big motor sticking out the hood like a matchbox car LOL
[18:06:41] <PetefromTn_> http://www.dragtimes.com/images/17843-1972-AMC-Gremlin.jpg Can't do that in an eagle methinks..
[18:07:45] <Jymmm> I've seen a 452 in a pinto stationwagon with slicks on the rear end. Also 4x 50lb bags of concrete too
[18:08:08] <Jymmm> it was damn quick too
[18:08:08] <PetefromTn_> you mean the Pinto that explodes in a rear end collision?
[18:08:21] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: no, that was hatchback,
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[18:09:09] <PetefromTn_> I thought the pinto WAS a hatchback?
[18:09:11] <Jymmm> brain fart.... what do you call the light next to your front door?
[18:09:25] <PetefromTn_> a light?
[18:09:26] <Jymmm> porch light?
[18:09:41] <PetefromTn_> entryway light?
[18:09:50] <Jymmm> outdoor lighting
[18:09:58] <Jymmm> (trying to find on hd.com
[18:10:22] <Jymmm> Ah "Wall Lighting"
[18:11:02] <PetefromTn_> http://www.hayabusa.org/forum/attachments/general-bike-related-topics/219796d1305079732-check-out-link-gotta-love-japanese-customization-grimlin.jpg
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[18:14:17] <JT-Shop> yea my Co2 inflater showed up
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[18:19:35] <_methods> oooh sexy time
[18:20:41] <jdh> bike?
[18:20:54] <zeeshan> -lol what is that thing PetefromTn_
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[18:33:14] <PetefromTn_> It's a Tremblin' Gremlin!
[18:34:03] <zeeshan> lol cool
[18:34:04] <zeeshan> :D
[18:36:27] <archivist> ew a fugly rot box
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[18:41:16] <PetefromTn_> musta used eight rolls of masking tape on this damn lathe so far LOL
[18:41:48] <jthornton> what are you taping up Pete?
[18:42:02] <PetefromTn_> the lathe carcass so I can repaint it
[18:42:20] <jthornton> with duct tape?
[18:42:48] <PetefromTn_> why hell no masking tape man
[18:43:11] <jthornton> where did I get that from
[18:43:37] <Jymmm> duct tape isn't what it used to be. I still havne't found one today that sticks wirth a shit
[18:44:06] * jthornton goes out to check the pc oven
[18:44:33] * Jymmm heads to the big orange borg
[18:46:39] <PetefromTn_> running these parts right now
[18:51:50] <furrywolf> Jymmm: I have some that's nashua or something like that, seems to stick well. and gorilla tape works too.
[18:53:50] <furrywolf> bbl
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[18:56:37] <greg> There's the new stuff from 3M damn near sticks to anyhting.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-Scotch-1-88-in-x-35-yds-Tough-Extreme-Hold-Duct-Tape-2835-A/202023065
[18:57:12] <PetefromTn_> I thought that was the point of the original duct tape?
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[19:21:59] <_methods> you gotta get the mil-spec duct tape
[19:22:14] <_methods> it's like the old school stuff you used to be able to buy in the stores
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[19:24:49] <_methods> i think polyken makes it iirc
[19:26:48] <_methods> http://www.zoro.com/polyken-duct-tape-48mm-x-55m-12-mil-olive-drab-231/i/G4345521/
[19:27:57] <Jymmm> Ok, anything that lists specs as: Adhesion Strength 80 oz./in., has gotta be good =)
[19:32:01] <PetefromTn_> need to order some deburring wheels for my bench grinder.
[19:32:20] <PetefromTn_> anyone got any recommendations for mostly aluminum and mild steel parts?
[19:32:43] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-64900-SCOTCH-BRITE-6x1x1-DEBURRING-WHEEL-9S-FINE-NEW-/181790415894?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a538d9c16
[19:32:47] <PetefromTn_> was looking at that one
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[19:35:56] * _methods tries to avoid manual labor like deburring
[19:36:07] <_methods> so the less i know about it the better
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[19:36:52] <PetefromTn_> sure I do too but they sure make things easier when you can't
[19:41:32] <JT-Shop> I use a 2 x 48 with a conditioning belt
[19:41:32] <_methods> oh definitely
[19:42:37] <_methods> i just hate deburring
[19:42:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah not looking for belt sander stuff. They use these scotch brite wheels in all the local shops here. they really are nice to buff out that last little bit of tool chatter on parts
[19:42:43] <JT-Shop> http://www.trick-tools.com/Multitool_2_x_48_inch_Belt_Grinder_Attachment_MT482_307#.VZRCqm1OlaU
[19:43:32] <PetefromTn_> I just don't remember what the coarseness they used was.
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[19:44:15] <JT-Shop> I need one of those on the other side of the belt grinder
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[19:50:46] <SpeedEvil> Flash deburring is cool
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[19:51:53] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3M-DEBURRING-WHEEL-GENERAL-PURPOSE-WHEEL-6x1x1-9S-FIN-64900-CLEANING-FINISHING/201039607479?_trksid=p2047675.c100013.m1986&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D31192%26meid%3D294eeedf388a438291119242d1e3e8a9%26pid%3D100013%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D28%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D181790415894
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[19:52:07] <PetefromTn_> just bought one of thoe I will let you guys know how it works if you want.
[19:52:47] <PetefromTn_> Gotta go pickup some more material BBL
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[19:53:19] <_methods> i've heard soemthing about that flash deburring
[19:53:36] <_methods> was that high heat deburring or something
[19:54:21] <_methods> ah cryogenic
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[20:03:59] <SpeedEvil> _methods: I was thinking of the 'fill robust chamber with propane, oxygen, and parts, light' one
[20:04:11] <SpeedEvil> The little bits burn off
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[20:07:56] <XXCoder> pete left, but work has those and it works well
[20:08:08] <XXCoder> its somewhat soft
[20:08:22] <XXCoder> feels little bit furry :P
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[20:09:24] <XXCoder> you could dent it slightly with finger but very little
[20:10:03] <Jymmm> scotchbright pads
[20:10:42] <Jymmm> toss on a die grinder and holy crap!
[20:11:01] <Jymmm> dk brown is agressive as hell
[20:11:25] <_methods> arent' the grey ones pretty aggressive too?
[20:11:33] <XXCoder> interesting. work only has dark red brites
[20:12:06] <_methods> oh nm grey is ultra fine
[20:12:10] <Jymmm> _methods: No idea, I just know they are color coded. DK BRn and Dk GRN are what I've used
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[20:13:00] * JT-Shop found a rusty metal object in the yard just now... looks had forged
[20:13:24] <Rab> Tape, Duct, Nuclear Grade, Cloth
[20:13:27] <Rab> _methods, I'm sold.
[20:13:37] <Jymmm> _methods: But I will say this... there are a few missile casings out there with extra notches in them that are not on the blueprints =)
[20:13:59] <_methods> heheh
[20:14:25] <XXCoder> lol
[20:14:29] <Jymmm> _methods: It's okey though, they are on the indie, so nobody will ever know ;)
[20:14:30] <_methods> yeah mil-spec is pretty specific on that stuff so it's still made to original specs
[20:14:33] <Jymmm> inside*
[20:14:39] <XXCoder> Jymmm: as long as withinj tol
[20:14:49] <_methods> not this garbage you buy at home depot
[20:15:03] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Oh yeah, all passed inspection
[20:15:59] <XXCoder> nice
[20:16:30] <Jymmm> XXCoder: They never let me near the fun toys
[20:16:41] <XXCoder> lol
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[20:17:36] <Jymmm> Ok, I take that back. They did let me near one toy, but never told be exactly what I was playing with.
[20:18:26] <Jymmm> I found out years later. Fuck me, had I known then what I know now, i would have been extra careful. lol
[20:19:44] <Jymmm> Does anyone have/used bear spray by chance?
[20:19:47] <XXCoder> heh hindsight is always 20/20
[20:20:19] <XXCoder> for people with some intellegce anyway
[20:20:35] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Funny that you phrased it that way ;)
[20:21:04] <XXCoder> there IS people who try again and again expecting different result
[20:21:16] <_methods> bear spray...........
[20:21:20] <_methods> lead spray
[20:21:36] <_methods> the higher the caliber the more effective
[20:21:39] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Even 20/10 wouldn't have helped...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/ALQ-144
[20:22:07] <_methods> apply lead bear spray liberally to the bear
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[20:23:47] <Jymmm> _methods: GO TO JAIL, DIRECTLY TO JAIL, DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT $200
[20:23:49] <XXCoder> Jymmm: interesting
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[20:24:37] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Let's just put it this way... They would ground AF1 if those were not working.
[20:26:18] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Basically it just tells heat seeking missiles "I'm over here, no I'm over here, no I'm over here..."
[20:26:29] <XXCoder> yeh figured that
[20:26:44] <Jymmm> marc polo of sorts
[20:29:16] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: gonna do fuck all if it's got an imager
[20:29:59] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: It's "old tech" now, they have better toys these days =)
[20:30:12] <XXCoder> tech marches on
[20:31:12] <SpeedEvil> yeah - decoy presidents.
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[20:52:56] <Chopper79> Howdy everyone!
[20:52:57] <Chopper79> Need some assistance on a little issue im having with my setup. I started out buy using the 5i20 plasma config that comes with LCNC. I am using a 5i25, 7i76, and THC-300 from Mesa. My setup is working well excluding the THC section. I have not made any changes to the THC section other then changing the board name and the offset scale in the HAL config. The problem I am having is when I ignite the plasma torch the voltage reads out on the screen but I
[20:56:19] <alex4nde1> Chopper79: your question got truncated at 'on the screen but I...'
[20:56:45] <Chopper79> but I do not get up or down movement when out of my voltage set range. It seems as iff the voltage tolerance, set voltage, and the Up/Down functions ar enot working correctly. Does anybody have any advise on this?
[20:58:51] <Chopper79> This is while cutting a part. I do not get any THC movement when out of my set voltage range. (ex: set for 145v with a 1v tolerance and torch is at 150v) The Z axis is not intercepted and adjustments are not applied to raise or lower torch head to get voltage within range
[21:00:31] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:03:02] <Chopper79> started with the orginal 5i20 config. Made changes to everything I needed to for my machine. Only changed the following as far as THC settings go
[21:03:04] <Chopper79> # Set up the Encoder for the THC
[21:03:05] <Chopper79> setp hm2_5i25.0.encoder.00.counter-mode 1
[21:03:05] <Chopper79> setp hm2_5i25.0.encoder.00.filter 0
[21:03:05] <Chopper79> net thc-vel-in hm2_5i25.0.encoder.00.velocity => thc.encoder-vel
[21:03:05] <Chopper79> setp thc.scale-offset -125000
[21:03:05] <Chopper79> setp thc.vel-scale -0.00037866834
[21:03:26] <Chopper79> Changed board name and scale-offset
[21:05:31] <PCW> you may have to trace things out by putting halmeters on the various signals involved
[21:05:32] <PCW> ( you also need to set the encoder scale to 1 AFAICR )
[21:06:37] <Chopper79> is the counter mode the same thing? If so then I set it to 1 already (setp hm2_5i25.0.encoder.00.counter-mode 1)
[21:07:00] <PCW> no, its not the same
[21:07:29] <Chopper79> oh... Where is the ecoder scale at then?
[21:09:09] <PCW> start linuxcnc
[21:09:10] <PCW> then in a terminal window type
[21:09:12] <PCW> halcmd show all > halstuff
[21:09:14] <PCW> then open halstuff in an editor
[21:09:47] <PCW> all pins,params,signal and functions are there
[21:17:12] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-PACK-6-x-2-x-1-Top-Bottom-Reversible-6-Vise-Jaws-Aluminum-6RJV621A-/300712721944?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4603dffe18
[21:18:26] <PetefromTn_> Just ordered a 12 foot bar of 1x2 6061 aluminum and it was like $110.00 plus tax. ten pairs of 6" jaws is 120" or 12 feet plus the cuts so I don't know how they make any money selling these LOL
[21:20:52] <PetefromTn_> maybe I am just getting raped for materials heh
[21:24:32] <roycroft> i don't know where you ordered the 6061, but a lot of metal yards mark up retail sales as much as 150% over their jobber price
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[21:25:29] <roycroft> i'm fortunate to have found the one yard here in eugene that charges roughly the same for everyone
[21:25:56] <roycroft> but the "big" one that everyone knows charges around 100% more for retail
[21:26:00] <roycroft> and the online shops are even worse
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[21:29:02] <Chopper79> PCW: I checked out the halstuff and ecoder value is set to 1 already
[21:29:32] <PetefromTn_> meh I have ordered online quite a few times and my local supplier usually beats them by a good bit when you take in the shipping cost.
[21:29:40] <PetefromTn_> you still pay tax of course
[21:30:05] <roycroft> you do, but i don't :)
[21:30:13] <roycroft> we don't believe in sales tax here
[21:31:20] <PetefromTn_> no they get you some other way
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[21:32:11] <roycroft> yes, we have high income tax and high proprety tax
[21:32:20] <roycroft> but neither of those are regressive taxes like sales tax is
[21:32:36] <roycroft> and it makes for easier math when you're at the store
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[21:32:42] <PetefromTn_> actually they have told me if I can order more at a time they can give me better discounts
[21:32:43] <roycroft> $1.99 adds up to $1.99 at the checkout
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[21:33:08] <PetefromTn_> my volume is not that high so I am usually just grabbing a bar or two at a time.
[21:33:21] <roycroft> that's my situation
[21:33:36] <roycroft> which is why i'm so happy i found the metal yard that doesn't charge more for small orders
[21:33:41] <PetefromTn_> Hopefully once I can get this anodizing going it will attract more sales and I can change that.
[21:34:13] <roycroft> welding gas outfits do that price gouging too, btw
[21:34:25] <roycroft> but i found one that charges everyone the same price
[21:34:54] <roycroft> what used to be a $28 fill of a 10# co2 tank (plus about $9 in extra "fees") now costs me $13
[21:35:11] <roycroft> which is what large volume customers pay at the $28 outfit
[21:35:29] <Jymmm> I've been paying $17 for Nitrogen 40, Called around places want a $9 hazmat fee on top - bastards
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[21:35:44] <roycroft> i forget what all the fees are that the first outfit charge
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[21:36:01] <Jymmm> $17 is out the door price
[21:36:15] <roycroft> there's a filling fee, bottle inspection fee, "state hazmat fee" (which the other place doesn't charge), and i think something else
[21:36:34] <Jymmm> Fuck that BS
[21:36:46] <roycroft> yes
[21:36:52] <roycroft> the place i go to now doesn't charge any of that
[21:37:20] <roycroft> now the downside is that the place i go to now is run by a bunch of grumpy old men, while the old place is full of attractive, nice women
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[21:37:37] <roycroft> but i'll tolerate grumpy old men once in a while to save a significant amount of money
[21:37:56] <Jymmm> roycroft: Spend the money you save on fees at the strip club
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[21:38:17] <roycroft> i mean, i can still hang out on this channel when furrywolf is around, so obviously i can tolerate grumpy old men
[21:38:54] * roycroft admits that he can be the "get off my lawn" guy once in a while himself
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[21:41:22] <PetefromTn_> huh never pegged furry as a grumpy old man... grumpy definitely but an old man. missed that
[21:41:28] <spline> when I first got my mig, I called 4 places about the std 75/25 mix
[21:42:02] <spline> asked each owning/renting a 20/40/60 - long story short: own it and a 60. once you go from a 60->80, you jump up a ton, even though fill = only a little more
[21:42:11] <Computer_barf> anyone have any imaginings of how one might attach an inkjet head to a cnc machine and get it working? it would be so nice to cut something out and then print on it
[21:42:21] <spline> so I wound up @ airgas here (southern nh) for 143 for a 60cf 75/25 (free first fill) and each fill (core swap with them) is $43
[21:42:46] <spline> not sure if its the same everywhere.. but they were $40 cheaper than maine oxy (local chain here in nh/mass) and a really local place that was $60 more
[21:43:24] <spline> most inert gasses are about the same, when I checked getting an oxy/propane setup (for the o2)
[21:43:33] <Jymmm> spline: Nitrogen 40 exchange $17. Nitrogen 125 exchange $26
[21:44:00] <Jymmm> It's the labor to get the gas in the bottle you're paying for =)
[21:44:02] <spline> yeah, same on the 80s for a 75/25
[21:44:12] <spline> the 60 was 143 for own; 220 for an 80
[21:44:21] <spline> but the fill on the 60 is 43 and 53 on an 80
[21:44:27] <spline> so if you use a ton, is the 80 worth it? sure
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[21:44:43] <spline> iirc, the 120cf was 320 or 350. I forget (own the bottle)
[21:44:52] <spline> and airgas = free first fill
[21:45:03] <Jymmm> I can get a 125cf for $180 + fill
[21:45:05] <greg> I saw a video of a 3d terrain map maker that had a printer, looked like a one off
[21:45:07] <spline> i'd rather go local but when they're so much more.. only nice thing is I can swap @ airgas or maine oxy here
[21:45:07] <Computer_barf> so ive been watching this show called humans, and the swedish show, real humans
[21:45:10] <spline> Jymmm: wow
[21:45:11] <spline> christ
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[21:45:12] <spline> that's nice
[21:45:31] <spline> (not sure if its more to do a 75/25) but he said most inert gasses = about the same
[21:45:38] <Computer_barf> anyone else? I'm ready to employ a full time hubot
[21:45:45] <spline> only time you'd pay more is if you're getting something .. rarer like helium for stainless
[21:45:48] <Jymmm> spline: oxy aint inert =)
[21:45:56] <spline> o
[21:45:57] <spline> hm
[21:46:01] <Chopper79> PCW: Could it have naything to do with the naming convention used here?
[21:46:01] <Chopper79> # position command and feedback
[21:46:01] <Chopper79> # hijack position command and feed through thc
[21:46:01] <Chopper79> net emcmot.03.pos-cmd thc.z-pos-in <= axis.2.motor-pos-cmd
[21:46:01] <Chopper79> net thc-pos-cmd thc.z-pos-out => hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.03.position-cmd
[21:46:02] <Chopper79> net motor.02.pos-fb axis.2.motor-pos-fb <= thc.z-fb-out
[21:46:02] <Chopper79> Since it does not have anything about the 5i25 or hm2 information. Was thinking maybe the naming is messing it up.
[21:46:06] <spline> ok well.. I think they put them in the same class Jymmm
[21:46:14] <Chopper79> Well maybe not since the z axis does move just fine
[21:46:15] <spline> Jymmm: I priced out an oxy/propane setup (for brazing/heating)
[21:46:16] <Jymmm> spline: No, I can exchange my nitrogen tank for a helium tank,
[21:46:29] <spline> 143 for a 60cf of o2( same as a 75/25)
[21:46:35] <spline> propane is obv diff
[21:46:51] <Jymmm> spline: I have 5x 20lb propanes =)
[21:46:51] <spline> but he said that most of the gasses like that.. nitrogen, co2, o2, etc, are gonna be about the same
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[21:47:06] <spline> I have one 20lb tank on my grill
[21:47:12] <spline> but I'd like to get an o2/propane rig to heat/braze
[21:47:22] <spline> (looking @ some harris torches now)
[21:47:29] <spline> since I have a plasma cutter, so 0 use for cutting
[21:47:32] <Chopper79> Its just not getting itnercepted for THC adjustments
[21:47:41] <Jymmm> spline:
http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Heater-F232000-Indoor-Safe-Portable/dp/B002G51BZU
[21:47:56] <Jymmm> spline: anda SPECIAL hose
[21:48:08] <spline> yeah I am finishing my garage
[21:48:13] <spline> looking @ it or kerosene
[21:48:22] <spline> (or am about to finally finish it after 4 months of part-time work)
[21:48:26] <Jymmm> spline: INDOOR SAFE
[21:48:26] <spline> so I can heat it
[21:48:30] <spline> nice
[21:48:42] <spline> my garage is.. odd shape but prob about 18' by 24'
[21:48:56] <spline> even if I can get it to 40, that means I don't have to wear gloves
[21:48:58] <Jymmm> spline: sounds like mine
[21:49:04] <spline> when I was trying to weld at 30f, can't w/o gloves
[21:49:06] <roycroft> i wish i could get helium for the price of nitrogen or co2
[21:49:07] <spline> and it'd drive me nuts
[21:49:15] <spline> so I said fuck it and finally insulated + insulated (plywood)
[21:49:18] <Jymmm> spline: That's WHY I have a heater; my hands would hurt
[21:49:22] <spline> hehe
[21:49:22] <spline> yup
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[21:49:29] <spline> well I live in NH. IM not sure where you are
[21:49:31] <spline> we have 4 seasons
[21:49:33] <Jymmm> Calif
[21:49:35] <spline> we'll get 0F, -05F
[21:49:36] <spline> oh
[21:49:39] <spline> so not as extreme
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[21:49:52] <Jymmm> We get 36F
[21:49:52] <spline> well my neighbor's son, who lives a mile away and finished his
[21:49:58] <spline> he's all up in kerosene
[21:50:08] <spline> and a local station about 3 miles from here sells it (not sure price per gal)
[21:50:19] <spline> wow so with that
[21:50:20] <Jymmm> spline: You can store propane indefinantly
[21:50:25] <spline> I don't have to leave the door open?
[21:50:29] <spline> yeah my home owners insurance
[21:50:37] <spline> acety is on the list of "store this and cya"
[21:50:38] <spline> I can get why
[21:51:03] <Jymmm> spline: a garage is leaky enough
[21:51:04] <spline> im just trying to get more into fab (also longtime linux person)
[21:51:06] <spline> yeap
[21:51:14] <spline> and my door isn't anything non-std
[21:51:17] <Jymmm> spline: In the house, you crack a door/window
[21:51:18] <spline> but im sure you can empathize
[21:51:30] <spline> ill give you an example of when I was welding last feb
[21:51:38] <spline> it was 30f one day and 5f the next day
[21:51:47] <spline> close the door.. and it's 29f in the garage
[21:51:49] <spline> I can't weld :[
[21:52:01] <spline> not w/o gloves and then I lose my precision
[21:52:13] <spline> so even if just the insulation (did all rockwool)
[21:52:21] <spline> ill take it. add a propane heater? awesome
[21:52:27] <spline> im thinking of getting a 60lb from airgas
[21:52:40] <spline> (why im here is to also learn much more about cnc/milling as I'd love to get into it)
[21:52:56] <PCW> is the arc-ok pin true?
[21:53:12] <spline> I wasn't able to find any #welding/#fab type chans anywhere, sadly :\
[21:53:14] <Jymmm> spline: 18K BTU
http://www.mrheater.com/big-buddy-portable-heater.html
[21:53:30] <Jymmm> That's the BIG buddy, I have the PORTABLE buddy
[21:53:30] <spline> hm
[21:53:36] <spline> how big is your garage?
[21:53:43] <Jymmm> likeyours
[21:53:51] <spline> I don't need to get the thing up to 75F, you know?
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[21:54:02] <spline> I actually love the cold.. 40f I can wear shorts and be fine
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[21:54:09] <spline> but 30f and trying to weld/fab? can't
[21:54:21] <spline> 400sq/ft damn
[21:54:22] <Jymmm> spline: The the portable buddy is fine. I left it on low 4000btu
[21:54:25] <Chopper79> PCW: When the arc has not made contact with plate it is false, then once arc has transfered it becomes true.
[21:54:59] <Jymmm> spline: wallyworld
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Mr.-Heater-Portable-Buddy-Radiant-Heater/16622306
[21:55:05] <spline> Jymmm: how long does it last on a 20lb tank?
[21:55:20] <spline> $80 at wally but 86 (and I have prime)
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[21:55:26] <PCW> what about thc.enable
[21:55:46] <Jymmm> spline: on low, about 80 hours
[21:55:58] <Jymmm> maybe 100
[21:56:02] <Jymmm> give or take
[21:56:17] <Jymmm> spline: BUT, you HAVE to use a SPECIAL hose
[21:56:33] <spline> grade T, right?
[21:56:37] <spline> vs R?
[21:56:42] <Chopper79> yes... That functions also. When disabled the functions such as the velocity LED does not work and when enabled the velocity LED works fine. This tells me the enable is functioning I would think
[21:56:46] <spline> (like swapping oxy/acet vs oxy/alt fuel)
[21:57:06] <PCW> what about thc.volts?
[21:57:36] <Chopper79> thc volts reads the voltage and also updates the meter on the axis panel.
[21:57:40] <roycroft> my jewler's torch is acetylene/air
[21:57:48] <roycroft> it does brazing of smallish parts really nicely
[21:57:53] <roycroft> jeweler's
[21:58:09] <spline> roycroft: yeah, I looked at something like that.
[21:58:13] <Chopper79> sorry
[21:58:18] <Chopper79> wrong thing
[21:58:25] <spline> I have small hands, so I'd prefer something like it, but if you're trying to bend, say, a 1" bar
[21:58:27] <spline> not enough heat
[21:58:33] <roycroft> no
[21:58:38] <Chopper79> The volt pin does show change
[21:58:40] <roycroft> the nice thing about it is that there's only one hose
[21:58:43] <roycroft> and it's a small diameter hose
[21:58:48] <spline> o
[21:58:56] <roycroft> but the drawback is that you can only use it for small parts
[21:58:58] <spline> well normal acetylene hoses are grade R
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[21:59:15] <spline> when you go to "alt fuel" (propane/mapp/propylene) you have to use a T hose
[21:59:51] <PCW> So I would just go through all the THC components one by one and make sure they look right
[21:59:52] <roycroft> i have a victor oxy/acetylene setup for brazing bigger stuff, and for welding and cutting
[21:59:52] <PCW> (voltage is correct etc)
[22:00:47] <Jymmm> spline: Mr Heater part number F273704 (not any other hose)
http://www.mrheater.com/10ft-buddy-series-hose-assembly.html
[22:01:23] <Jymmm> spline: No filter is needed if you use that EXACT hose
[22:02:33] <Chopper79> This is a stock config from LCNC which I am under the impression that JT-Shop made and uses. The small changes I made were to adapt to my machine and hardware. The THC.comp file, and all of the thc functions besides offset scale and board name have the same as stock. I would think that if it works for him and nothing crucial has been changed then it should work here also.
[22:03:10] <Jymmm> spline: There are plasticizer in other hoses that will leech out and gum up your heater.
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[22:03:37] <Chopper79> I will check over the pins and functions of them. The bad part is the machine is 20min away with no internet. So I have to ask questions when I get home and have enough information to go on for 8hrs the next day.
[22:05:15] <Jymmm> spline: This one is shown green, but you'll get a black colored one now.
http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Heater-Buddy-Series-Assembly/dp/B001CFWF5U
[22:06:15] <Chopper79> I do have the config with me if you wanted to check it out and see if anything stands out as wrong. Not sure if that will help at all but I figured at least I have it incase somebody needs it to help this problem along.
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[22:07:43] <Jymmm> spline: I have my hose covered with split loom tubing to prevent it from being scruffed up
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[22:09:19] <Jymmm> 1/2" split loom tubing about $6
[22:09:37] <Chopper79> I am also under the impression that the THC.comp file that come with LCNC is not hardware specific(5i25, etc) so chnaging the board name should have no chnage to the function of the comp file. I am router to the encoder A and this appears to function since I am getting a voltage readout on the meter in axis. It seesm the signal stops at the meter and goes no further.
[22:09:38] <Jymmm> and a couple of cable ties
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[22:14:20] <Chopper79> When I follow the function tree in the comp file its seems fairly straight forward. Take input voltage and see if it is within range of target voltage based on the voltage tolrance set. If not make adjustments to z height to bring the voltage within range of target voltage within the threshold of voltage tolrance.
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[22:31:30] <PCW> It should work the same, but I do thinh you need to halmeter all the pins
[22:31:48] <PCW> think
[22:32:18] <Chopper79> Well tomorrow I will get on that and see if everything checks out. If all does then I am not sure what is missing or wrong.
[22:33:14] <Chopper79> im almost positive that everything will check out as nothing was changed for thc in the file. I will let you know what I find.
[22:33:17] <Chopper79> Thank you
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[22:55:30] <JT-Shop> Chopper79, the thc component takes a frequency in and converts that to voltage via scale and offset
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