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[00:25:34] <tjtr33> arrgh, an hour to get an old cad program to run under DOSBOX ( CADD6 ) now WHAT was the litany that made it work?
[00:25:45] <tjtr33> old cad files are a problem
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[01:26:29] <furrywolf> well, my day has completely fucking sucked.
[01:26:46] * furrywolf just got out of the ER
[01:26:56] <furrywolf> and now I have one subaru instead of two.
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[01:27:43] <furrywolf> there was some homeless person wandering in the freeway, and traffic was slowing and stopping. so I slowed and was stopping... the bitch behind me didn't. I was going 5-10mph, she was going 65-70...
[01:27:57] <furrywolf> subaru is totalled, along with my back muscles.
[01:28:11] <Tom_itx> sounds like she owes you a new back and car
[01:28:34] <Pudlo> sounds like lawyer up
[01:28:43] <furrywolf> that's what the insurance company will decide, yes. she even admitted to the cops it was her fault, which makes my life much easier.
[01:29:12] <furrywolf> I really liked that car. I spent months working on it. :(
[01:29:47] <furrywolf> it'll still drive if I yank the body out of the back tire, but the back of the car is pushed in 8+ inches, and the whole car has about a 4" twist to it.
[01:31:25] <furrywolf> they don't build them like they used to... my car is pushed in but driving... her car was demolished. like 2ft shorter. the highway patrol had to ram it repeatedly with their truck to get it out of the traffic lanes because the engine was shoved up into the cab and it wouldn't even try to move.
[01:38:08] <furrywolf> There needs to be some way to sue the homeless person...
[01:38:17] <furrywolf> he got removed to the local mental health facility.
[01:38:49] <Tom_itx> i found during one that hidden things like radiator mounts, motor mounts etc show up later that the adjuster will miss
[01:39:18] <Tom_itx> transmission pan jarred and started leaking...
[01:39:23] <furrywolf> they're going to total it without even looking at things like that.
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[01:39:39] <Tom_itx> show all your recent receipts
[01:39:54] <furrywolf> it's an '83 subaru that I've carefully restored, with a new engine, and a bunch of other work... but the bluebook value is about $500.
[01:40:01] <furrywolf> they'll take one look at the damage and total it.
[01:40:19] <Tom_itx> replacement cost is what i'd be looking for
[01:40:29] <Tom_itx> that's why you buy insurance
[01:40:58] <furrywolf> I only have liability, and my experience with insurance companies is hers won't answer the phone and won't do anything at all until you mentioned lawyers, and then pay bluebook.
[01:41:15] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: ow.
[01:41:42] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: What's the state of the back? Just very sore, or actual consequences?
[01:42:20] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: I got x-rayed and prodded for 3 hours... the doctors' conclusion is I just have sprained muscles all up my back and neck, but nothing's broken, dislocated, slipped, or otherwise majorly injured.
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[01:42:57] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: yay!?
[01:47:35] <furrywolf> I'll need to figure out how to get their insurance to pay for lost time at work... because I sure can't work. doctors said I should not lift anything at all, and I agree... and my job is delivering heavy things.
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[01:49:40] <furrywolf> back really hurts...
[01:49:54] <furrywolf> I probably should have asked for pain killers just in case it gets worse.
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[01:51:26] <Jymmm> furrywolf: lawyer up, clearly not your fault, just try to find a half ethical one (HA!)
[01:52:20] <Jymmm> furrywolf: You can get paid for lost time/property, and the lawyer can even get you an advance on your settlement, bu dont expect anything fast.
[01:53:02] <furrywolf> I have no money at all, and now I only have my big van truck and bigger truck to drive... and the truck is not roadworthy without $500ish of parts.
[01:53:07] <Jymmm> furrywolf: It's the ladies insurance you'll claim for your medical
[01:53:11] <furrywolf> s/big van truck/big van
[01:53:14] <furrywolf> yes
[01:53:22] <Jymmm> furrywolf: But you NEED a lawyer
[01:53:39] <Jymmm> as soon as you sign up with a lawyer, you get medical
[01:53:40] <furrywolf> I need to fix my other subaru... as soon as I'm functional I'll work on it.
[01:54:10] <furrywolf> my insurance agent is pretty good. I'll let him try getting money from them before I deal with a lawyer.
[01:54:24] <Jymmm> Ins co work for Inso co, not you.
[01:54:46] <furrywolf> I give him enough money to pay all his bills every month. :P
[01:54:53] <Jymmm> I've been thru this before, lady said it was her fault too
[01:55:40] <furrywolf> I have $4m of liability... it's not cheap.
[01:55:54] <furrywolf> it's, in fact, my largest business expense.
[01:56:21] <Jymmm> but does your liability insu cover YOU?
[01:56:43] <furrywolf> no, but I give him so much money every month he acts like he's my best buddy. :P
[01:56:54] <Jymmm> Usually it covers everything but the holder.
[01:57:14] <furrywolf> so I'll let him try extracting money from the woman's insurance company before I try it myself with a lawyer.
[01:58:39] <furrywolf> my other subaru needs an exhaust system (it's too loud to use for another other than test drives right now) to get roadworthy, and new radiator fans and a bunch of little things to make into a daily driver.
[01:59:42] <furrywolf> this subaru is now only good for wrecking in the woods/beach/etc then stripping for parts...
[01:59:44] <Jymmm> furrywolf: The lawyer will get you into the GOOD DOCTORS that will say you have a severed skull
[02:00:07] <Jymmm> furrywolf: lost head pays big bucks
[02:00:10] <furrywolf> a severed skull? was I a french revolutionary?
[02:00:23] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Yes, yes you were.
[02:00:40] <Jymmm> furrywolf: and the lawyer will prove it beyond a resonable doubt
[02:00:53] * furrywolf is too nice to do that
[02:01:08] <Jymmm> furrywolf: You REALLY dont want to see crappy doctors as that goes against you
[02:01:49] <renesis> someone smashed your car?
[02:01:54] <furrywolf> the only doctors I've seen were the local hospital emergency room staff.
[02:01:55] <furrywolf> yes
[02:02:46] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Yes, to "stabalize you", not a full evaluation of your injuries
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[02:02:53] <furrywolf> I do not like doctors, and hopefully will not need to see any more of them.
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[02:04:09] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Why did you goto the ER?
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[02:04:23] <renesis> well, hope your back feels better soon, but if you got in an accident and your back is tweaked you should prob follow up with a dr
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[02:04:38] <furrywolf> Jymmm: because that's where you go in an emergency?
[02:04:46] <renesis> ER people are usually kind of in a rush =\
[02:04:46] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Optionally
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[02:04:55] <furrywolf> because anywhere else you make an appointment to be seen in a month?
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[02:05:03] <Jymmm> Urgent care
[02:05:13] <furrywolf> which is combined into the ER.
[02:05:16] <Jymmm> furrywolf: What was wrong with you that it was an EMERGENCY?
[02:05:21] <renesis> yeah same thing
[02:05:34] <Jymmm> No, there are individual urgent care non emergency places
[02:05:52] <renesis> you walk into ER and youre basically triaged into urguent care for almost everything
[02:06:00] <furrywolf> Jymmm: that I could barely move and the ambulance staff was saying it should be x-rayed promptly to rule out broken vertabre?
[02:06:08] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: There is enough probability of getting a moderately serious injury if you're rear-ended at 60MPH, ...
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[02:06:32] <furrywolf> there is one urgent care place that is not part of the hospital ER, and they explicitly say they will not handle any emergency type things, and you need to go to the ER.
[02:06:51] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Ok, just to let you know, YOU are liable for that abulance ride when the bill comes in, until you sign up with a lawyer
[02:07:07] <furrywolf> I didn't go in the ambulance. I had a friend drive me.
[02:07:14] <Jymmm> or ER visit
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[02:07:43] <furrywolf> the ER people said they'll deal with her insurance for the payment.
[02:08:19] <anarchos> i know capitalism is great and all, but it's kinda messed up that you have to pay for an ER visit :P
[02:08:24] <Jymmm> Uh.... I have NEVER EVER heard that before, that would be them accidenting liability prior to investigation.
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[02:09:03] <Jymmm> accepting*
[02:09:29] <renesis> i like accidenting better
[02:09:34] <furrywolf> they gave me a form to fill out with her insurance information and police report info.
[02:09:36] <Jymmm> =)
[02:10:01] <furrywolf> I'll call the CHP tomorrow and get the police report.
[02:10:32] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if any lawyer has changed their name to Troy Maclure - on the basis that 'I remember this name from somewhere, he must be good'
[02:11:01] <furrywolf> more like "I remember this name from somewhere, and he's utterly incompetent isn't he?"
[02:11:08] <Valen> shouldn't you use Mr Burns lawyer for that?
[02:11:47] <Jymmm> "Larry Parker Got Me $2.1 Million"
[02:11:56] <DaViruz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuZMMZ8vbNk
[02:11:58] <DaViruz> err
[02:12:09] <DaViruz> http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-doctors-are-just-the-same-as-lawyers-the-only-difference-is-that-lawyers-merely-rob-you-whereas-anton-chekhov-35546.jpg
[02:12:34] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMnVmT8bRSE
[02:12:59] <furrywolf> http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Blue-Haired_Lawyer that one would be better
[02:13:22] <furrywolf> http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Lawyers yay the internet. lol
[02:13:56] <Jymmm> They did get him $2.1M, but what they dont say is he lost his leg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hVbCpv1eCg
[02:14:13] <furrywolf> http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Lionel_Hutz not as good
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[02:22:28] <furrywolf> why is it that every single fucking time I ever think things are starting to go in any way acceptably, something happens to screw it up?
[02:25:58] <Tom_itx> life is funny that way
[02:26:06] <furrywolf> I was just fucking telling pcw that I'd probably have enough money to get a mesa system soon...
[02:26:11] <furrywolf> and now I have no car and can't work.
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[02:46:40] <SpeedEvil> :/
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[06:51:31] <Deejay> moin
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[09:32:01] <Loetmichel2> *meh* broke the last 1.2mm twoflute bit... but i have plenty of broken tungsten carbide shafts... so i ground myseldf a cylindircal engraving bit... works surprisingly well ;-) ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15847
[09:32:13] <XXCoder> yo
[09:48:31] <XXCoder> Loetmichel2: whats you making
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[09:53:16] <XXCoder> okay top secret I see heh later
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[10:36:03] <Loetmichel2> XXCoder: adapteers DVCI to 26 pin HD
[10:36:10] <Loetmichel2> DVI
[10:36:20] <Loetmichel2> Dsu-hd
[10:36:27] <Loetmichel2> dSub
[10:36:44] <Loetmichel2> not secret, working ;-)
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[10:53:36] <Loetmichel2> XXCoder:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15850
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[11:07:44] <Dimroy> bonjour a tous !
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[11:12:49] <MacGalempsy> first print in 1.5 yrs and it came out recognizable! woohoo
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[11:21:34] <MrSunshine> well so does a roadkill also .. in most cases
[11:21:35] <MrSunshine> :P
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[13:31:05] <furrywolf> Ugh... making a list of all the new parts I've installed on this subaru in case the insurance company doesn't believe I've restored it... a full page of 12pt single-spaced type and growing.
[13:32:22] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: :/
[13:32:31] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Do you have any pics?
[13:33:05] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if listing it on CL - or wherever, and seeing if you get any interest at a reasonable price would be relevant
[13:33:36] <SpeedEvil> Back I assume is getting stiffer?
[13:33:39] <furrywolf> No pics, and no one would want a ruined car. heh.
[13:33:40] <furrywolf> yes
[13:33:57] <SpeedEvil> I mean - not say it's ruined
[13:34:43] <furrywolf> The worst part is the condition the body was in... I looked for two years to find one in this good of condition. The only comparable car I could find is listed on ebay for $5k, and it's only a 2-wheel-drive!
[13:34:53] <furrywolf> I had to buy it from out of state and have it shipped here
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[13:35:09] <furrywolf> As far as I know, it was the best-condition '80s subaru in northern california...
[13:35:34] <SpeedEvil> Pictures of the common rust points might be useful, as might the ebay listing.
[13:36:24] <furrywolf> When I got it, it didn't run, and I knew that when I bought it... still paid quite a bit of money, plus transport and out-of-state registration, because of how clean the body was.
[13:37:48] <furrywolf> I've replaced, among other things, the distributor, starter motor, carburetor parts (rebuild), entire steering column, brake rotors, brake calipers, brake hoses, brake master cylinder, fan switch and wiring, clutch cable, etc, etc, etc...
[13:38:19] <SpeedEvil> Jeeze.
[13:40:12] <furrywolf> emergency brake cable, cruise control switch, stereo (fancy aftermarket one, new wiring to all four doors and to the battery, etc), hubcaps (some missing), sandblasted and painted rims, rekeyed ignition and had new key made up from key code, a window regulator, all four headlights, detailed inside, outside, and under hood,...
[13:40:43] <SpeedEvil> Question is - what would you have spent on one in that condition.
[13:41:40] <furrywolf> way way too much. lol
[13:41:58] <furrywolf> the one on ebay for $5k is in similar condition, but is only a 2-wheel-drive, which is far, far less desirable.
[13:44:24] <furrywolf> And it's ugly tan. I had to look hard to get a good cherry red one. :)
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[13:50:21] <malcom2073_> Gott love insurance companies. They just want to get you a set of wheels, they don't care if it's the same car or not. fortunatly, if you have time, the longer you refuse to accept their offer, the more desperate they get to close the claim.
[13:50:59] <malcom2073_> When I got rear ended, I made their insurance company keep sending me listings of cars until they finally sent me one with a price tag I liked heh
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[14:03:13] <CaptHindsight> you're just another claim, and insurance companies are generally not run by altruists
[14:04:02] <MrFluffy> last time I dealt with insurance, the agent repairing the car made me sign a statement saying I'd never return there with any car ever in the future because apparently I was so much of a pain in the ass
[14:04:29] <MrFluffy> being a vehicle inspector for vauxhall motors at one point probably might have been something to do with that...
[14:04:38] <malcom2073_> I didn't mean they wanted to get you a new set of wheels because it's the right thing to do, rather because they are legally bound to resolve a claim within a certain period of time
[14:04:46] <malcom2073_> Haha nice
[14:05:15] <CaptHindsight> http://whitetrashrepairs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/3805.jpg good as new!
[14:05:48] <malcom2073_> Nice
[14:06:01] <_methods> wtf is that
[14:06:11] <_methods> buffalo skinned minivan
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[14:25:17] <archivist_herron> thereIfixedit
[14:26:44] <archivist_herron> someone seems to have fixed this too
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SINE-BAR-LATHES-MILLING-ENGINEERING-TOOLS-ENGINEERING-MEASURMENT-/321787178446
[14:36:11] <furrywolf> eh? doesn't look too badly fixed, given as I can't spot any problems. (the sine bar, not the van)
[14:37:45] <MrFluffy> I was wondering where the rest of it was...
[14:41:46] <archivist_herron> normally the top is flat not at an angle
[14:43:15] <archivist_herron> parallel with the base contact like
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_03_29_measuring_tools/IMG_1750.JPG
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[14:45:16] <archivist_herron> and that one is not on
http://what-when-how.com/metrology/sine-principle-and-sine-bars-metrology/
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[15:38:06] <furrywolf> the top is flat. it's the bottom that's angled.
[15:38:46] <furrywolf> the distance between the top and the pins is the same on both ends
[15:39:42] <archivist> the spacing is odd too, they are normally 5" or 10" as that makes for nice numbers
[15:39:46] <furrywolf> http://lh4.ggpht.com/_X6JnoL0U4BY/S01YQukAX-I/AAAAAAAAEh8/5vSDlziI-ic/tmp433_thumb_thumb.png?imgmax=800 like that one on the page you pasted
[15:41:01] <furrywolf> 5.5" is 140mm?
[15:41:05] <archivist> note, the two bars are milled on the same plane on all the others, that is one oddball
[15:41:27] <furrywolf> it doesn't look odd or wrong to me...
[15:42:16] <furrywolf> note the thickness of the metal between the top and the round bars is the same. it's only the underside that has a slope to it, and doesn't affect the use.
[15:42:17] <archivist> the are made a specific way usually to make sure they are accurate
[15:43:05] <furrywolf> the parts that rest on the bars could well have been milled at the same time.
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[15:43:53] <shaun413> hello, I have a chinese CNC router, running mach3 atm, you think linuxcnc would be better?
[15:44:21] <furrywolf> one of similar shape is shown in figure 8.18 of the page you pasted
[15:44:23] <ssi> that's a silly question
[15:44:33] <shaun413> why
[15:44:36] <archivist> ask the same question in the mach3 channel !
[15:45:10] <furrywolf> lol
[15:46:08] <shaun413> lol
[15:46:20] <shaun413> im using the free vz of mach3
[15:49:50] <malcom2073_> shaun413: You bought a router? Awesome, which one?
[15:49:59] <shaun413> its my jobs
[15:50:07] <malcom2073_> You got a job? Awesome, which one?
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[15:50:17] <shaun413> lol pm malcom2073_
[15:50:33] * furrywolf should be at job right now, but can't move
[15:54:55] <furrywolf> right now I'm waiting for someone to pick me up and drive me to my other car so we can try getting it to an exhaust shop today...
[15:55:05] <norias> blah
[15:55:17] <norias> what's wrong with the car?
[15:55:39] <furrywolf> I got rear-ended yesterday. my subie is toast.
[15:56:03] <furrywolf> going to get my off-road project car on the road so I have a car to drive
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[15:56:34] <norias> bummer
[15:56:42] <norias> what's wrong with exhuast on it?
[15:56:50] <furrywolf> doesn't have one.
[15:57:00] <norias> not even headers?
[15:57:38] <furrywolf> I put on the Y-pipe and cats by lots of cutting and welding of bends from the stock pipes, but from the cats back it needs to be bent, and I don't have a tube bender. I also don't have a muffler that fits it.
[15:58:46] <norias> no fun club
[16:00:11] <_methods> http://i2.wp.com/laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Loved_Him__34768.1430515135.1280.1280.jpg?fit=750%2C750
[16:00:27] <furrywolf> I can't do anything right now... can hardly walk.
[16:02:11] <furrywolf> "I loved him in star trek when he fought Will Robinson!"
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[16:27:58] <JT-Shop> you can use my bender
[16:29:34] * JT-Shop feels like he just got back from a Gilligans Island adventure
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[16:33:46] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: what did i miss
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[16:35:57] <JT-Shop> I see why my bike pump don't work... damn oring is too small to seal
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[16:59:44] <ssi> wat
[17:04:12] <tjtr33> furrywolf,
http://teecraze.tumblr.com/post/81690835616/the-dalek-lama-t-shirt
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[17:16:16] <DaPeace> hellloooo :-)
[17:16:57] <DaPeace> anyone here that has connected an quadrature encoder to the parallelport to set feed overwrite or spindle overwrite? need a little help with that
[17:17:58] <archivist> there is a limit to the speed you can use the parallel port, I have done it though
[17:19:12] <DaPeace> ive already connected the poti to the lpt and is see a change in halmeter when i turn him but i think im wrong with my configuration cause the count-value is not changing
[17:19:31] <DaPeace> i took this example ->
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Spindleoverride
[17:20:52] <archivist> use halscope to see if both signals are ok
[17:21:23] <DaPeace> i see that its turning true/false when i rotate them
[17:21:27] <DaPeace> that seems to work
[17:23:51] <archivist> then check for typos in your files
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[17:26:43] <DaPeace> http://pastebin.com/RJDYZyUv
[17:26:47] <DaPeace> dont see any typos..
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[17:32:19] <archivist> did you notice that page states it is in the postgui.hal
[17:32:57] <DaPeace> okay. so i will move it there and maybe it works then
[17:33:02] <archivist> so 3 files to be edited
[17:33:09] <DaPeace> 3 files?
[17:33:59] <archivist> the encoder line loadrt encoder num_chan=2 is in the main hal
[17:34:10] <DaPeace> ok.. i will put that there
[17:34:23] <archivist> and he put a bit in the ini
[17:42:04] <DaPeace> hmm.. strange.. if i use halshow i could watch all parameter of the encoder and only the two channels are changing when i rotate him
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[17:59:28] <archivist> did you forget to set something sensible to encoder.N.position-scale
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[18:20:34] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qHdPhkSSNQ
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[18:28:55] <JT-Shop> I need to start selling my free software
[18:29:27] <malcom2073_> +1
[18:31:33] <shaun413> +1
[18:31:41] <shaun413> give it to me first though
[18:32:44] <malcom2073_> shaun413: I'll sell you my free software
[18:32:54] <shaun413> Ok malcom2073_
[18:32:57] <shaun413> 50 dollars?
[18:33:06] <JT-Shop> you see the lathe software on the mailing list for $35.95
[18:33:47] <malcom2073_> JT-Shop: I'm not on the mailing list
[18:34:28] <malcom2073_> Is it linuxcnc repackaged?
[18:34:43] <JT-Shop> no just a G code generator
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[18:40:44] <zeeshan-laptop> hi
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[18:54:48] <JT-Shop> had a flat this morning out in the woods and the stupid pump would not work... took 2hrs to walk out and get a pump and walk back then fix the tire
[18:55:29] <JT-Shop> I tried mental telepathy to get a pump air lifted to my location but failed
[18:55:56] <malcom2073_> Doh, that sucks
[18:56:00] <JT-Shop> even more fun after I walked out I realized I had left my keys in the bike bag and was out of water!
[18:56:44] <JT-Shop> thanks to a timely rescue by my neighbor I got in before the real heat came
[18:56:55] <PCW> you were supposed to fix it with twigs and stones MacGyver style
[18:57:57] <JT-Shop> I'm going to get some twigs that have CO2 cartridges in them and a new pump
[18:58:43] <JT-Shop> you can't even walk the bike out with a flat the tires just fall off lol
[18:59:43] <JT-Shop> I carry a spare tube and a patch kit... but if the pump won't work your screwed
[19:00:46] <JT-Shop> this is where I ride
http://a123.g.akamai.net/7/123/11558/abc123/forestservic.download.akamai.com/11558/www/nepa/71062_FSPLT2_023858.pdf
[19:00:56] <PCW> I'll bet there was some bad language when you found the pump didn't work
[19:01:15] <JT-Shop> lucky there is a forest service road kinda through the middle
[19:01:36] <JT-Shop> na, it's just a thing
[19:01:47] <JT-Shop> forget about it and start walking
[19:02:48] <JT-Shop> I was about a mile west of the center green square...
[19:02:54] <PCW> Dont think I've even had a bicycle pump fail
[19:03:47] <PCW> sometimes needed to expand the leather washer
[19:03:57] <JT-Shop> this is not a cheapo pump so I was a bit disappointed to say the least
[19:04:06] <JT-Shop> all 0-rings in this one
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[19:10:30] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16g-Threaded-CO2-CARTRIDGES-cylinder-C02-gas-bottle-cycle-canister-FREE-PP-/131232500112?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=430495153956&hash=item1e8e110990
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[19:27:01] <XXCoder> hey furrywolf sad that your car is totaled :(
[19:29:26] <XXCoder> Sometimes insurance will allow you keep your totaled car and pay you a little less. You could use parts or part out sell if payout sucks if they keep car.
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[19:55:16] <Tom_itx> may have damaged the 7i47s as well :( guess i'll find out tonight
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[20:29:35] <zeeshan-laptop> can someone help me quickly verify if something is outputting 4-20mA
[20:29:49] <zeeshan-laptop> there are 2 pins. pin 21 and pin 22.
[20:29:58] <zeeshan-laptop> the load is supposed to go across these pins
[20:30:13] <zeeshan-laptop> so i just put a resistor in series (600 ohm is max load impedance)
[20:30:23] <zeeshan-laptop> and i should be able to read it with a multimeter?
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[20:36:31] <balestrino> how should i set 8i20 to run without a brake resistor?
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[20:40:59] <Deejay> gn8
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[20:59:37] <PCW> balestrino: You can get away without a brake resistor if
[20:59:39] <PCW> 1. you are not running close to the voltage limits (say you are testing at 150V)
[20:59:40] <PCW> 2. you have a large power supply output capacitor
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[21:32:37] <zeeshan-laptop> http://i.imgur.com/NrRkVkW.png
[21:32:50] <zeeshan-laptop> i know one of you guys know this
[21:32:57] <zeeshan-laptop> if i put an ammeter where L is
[21:33:07] <zeeshan-laptop> would i measure 4-20mA ?
[21:33:25] <Rab> Sounds likely.
[21:33:30] <Rab> This might help:
http://www.dataq.com/blog/faqs/4-20-ma-current-loop-measurements/
[21:33:31] <zeeshan-laptop> or would i need to put at least a 600 ohm resistor
[21:33:42] <zeeshan-laptop> before itll show something
[21:34:01] <Rab> An ammeter just has the resistor (shunt) built in.
[21:34:16] <zeeshan-laptop> yes but how to know how many ohms it is? :P
[21:34:49] <Rab> That doesn't matter for an ammeter.
[21:35:26] <Rab> If you're using a voltmeter, you would want to know the resistance of the shunt so you can calculate current from the voltage drop.
[21:35:35] <zeeshan-laptop> im getting 0mA
[21:35:37] <zeeshan-laptop> :{
[21:35:41] <zeeshan-laptop> o well
[21:35:44] <Rab> With the ammeter?
[21:35:46] <zeeshan-laptop> yes
[21:35:53] <zeeshan-laptop> i dont think i have the module for this controller
[21:35:59] <zeeshan-laptop> that outputs a 4-20mA signal
[21:36:04] <zeeshan-laptop> ill need to parallel the thermocouple
[21:36:05] <Rab> Have you tried 600R resistor + voltmeter?
[21:36:07] <zeeshan-laptop> and use an external amplifier
[21:36:10] <zeeshan-laptop> no
[21:36:15] <zeeshan-laptop> i dont have a 600 ohm resistor in the lab
[21:36:35] <Rab> It doesn't have to be 600R exactly.
[21:36:53] <zeeshan-laptop> ill have to bring some from home
[21:36:57] <zeeshan-laptop> will do that tomorrow
[21:37:11] <Rab> 470R, whatever. If you see a voltage across the resistor, there's current passing through it.
[21:37:42] <zeeshan-laptop> so i ground pin 22
[21:37:54] <zeeshan-laptop> and then put a resistor between 21 and ground
[21:37:58] <JT-Shop> http://www.dataq.com/blog/faqs/4-20-ma-current-loop-measurements/
[21:38:12] <zeeshan-laptop> and then measure voltage across resistor
[21:38:17] <JT-Shop> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC4QtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dey_fCuV4xt8&ei=FyOLVailKMrnoATEubegDw&usg=AFQjCNFZaz4AnzjvtAhHdTm2GUC1FXg8iQ&bvm=bv.96782255,d.cGU
[21:38:45] <Rab> zeeshan-laptop, why do you have to ground pin 22?
[21:38:55] <zeeshan-laptop> what do i do with it? :P
[21:39:00] <zeeshan-laptop> leave it empty?
[21:39:17] <Rab> Attach the resistor between pin 21 and 22.
[21:39:38] <zeeshan-laptop> okay
[21:40:03] <Rab> Do you have the manual for the controller? Or the model?
[21:40:49] <zeeshan-laptop> http://downloads.omron.eu/IAB/Products/Control%20Components/Temperature%20Controllers/Advanced%20Controllers/E5_K,%20E5_K-T/H085/H085-E1-03+E5EK+UsersManual.pdf
[21:40:52] <Rab> This guy in the video has a great voice.
[21:41:00] <zeeshan-laptop> e5ek-aa2b
[21:43:16] <zeeshan-laptop> http://www.amazon.com/Omron-E53-AKF-Digital-Controller-T23309/dp/B005T8HVRI
[21:43:18] <zeeshan-laptop> i think i need this
[21:43:28] <zeeshan-laptop> to be able to get transfer output..
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[21:44:16] <zeeshan-laptop> blah
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[21:50:59] <JT-Shop> I knew the new squirrel guard would require some blood letting
[21:52:51] <zeeshan-laptop> lol
[21:59:21] <Computer_barf> are we still talking about squirrels?
[22:00:38] <JT-Shop> I don't know if we are...
[22:00:49] <Computer_barf> weight sensor + arduino + electric fence
[22:01:27] <JT-Shop> I'm just trying to keep them from pulling corn out of the deer feeder
[22:02:02] <Computer_barf> i also saw another solution where someone attached a weight sensor and an electric motor to the feeder so it would start spinning if they got on it
[22:02:43] <Computer_barf> it was funny to watch them try to hold on as it accellerated
[22:03:39] <JT-Shop> that would be funny
[22:06:02] <Computer_barf> when is high speed , small scale, satellite internet going to become ubiquitous
[22:07:15] <theorbtwo> Computer_barf: There's a pretty sharp limit to how low-latency you can make sat internet.
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[22:07:48] <theorbtwo> At some point, things traveling at the speed of light need to get up to the sat and back down to earth, and that takes longer then you might expect.
[22:07:49] <Computer_barf> ok how about quantum entanglement internet
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[22:13:46] * JT-Shop wishes they would do something with the thousands of miles of fiber optic buried alongside most of the roads in Missouri
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[22:17:58] <Computer_barf> so with all this trans-sexual and trans-race buzz going on lately,
[22:18:18] <Computer_barf> im thinking about becoming trans-mexican, like self identify as mexican
[22:19:00] <Computer_barf> if I ever get arrested for a violent crime or murder or something, being mexican would really help out my odds of getting released
[22:19:48] <alex4nder> I'm not sure the stats would be in your favor.
[22:20:15] <Computer_barf> they would be relatively to otherwise
[22:21:48] <Computer_barf> although i might have to move to LA to statistically benefit
[22:23:45] <Computer_barf> ok new plan
[22:24:11] <Computer_barf> show up to a dhs relocation center along the boarder
[22:24:32] <Computer_barf> self identify as mexican and say you need transport into the interior
[22:24:47] <Computer_barf> if they say .. hey arn't you american?
[22:24:55] <Computer_barf> accuse them of racism
[22:25:36] <Computer_barf> instead of ditching on the followup court dealings, show up, create new identity
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[22:25:48] <MrSunshine> damn fusion 360 seem to require quite the machine to do even simple stuff
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[22:28:58] <Computer_barf> PM mrshunshine
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[22:57:22] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/images/deer-feeder/
[22:59:47] * JT-Shop goes to fill up the feeder...
[23:01:57] <_methods> beware the squirrels
[23:02:50] <_methods> they're watching you
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[23:12:00] <JT-Shop> lol
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[23:30:30] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQhHyHkCeBo
[23:31:31] <PetefromTn_> LOL musclehead
[23:31:42] <_methods> all natural
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