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[00:02:17] <furrywolf> I don't like movies.
[00:02:35] <furrywolf> I also don't like my music to sound like plastic woofers and plastic horns, which is what my klipschs make everything sound like.
[00:02:43] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhctfhyBO3U
[00:02:59] <FinboySlick> They're very efficient and clear. What model of klipsch do you have?
[00:03:12] <Loetmichel> these speakers were made for rock'n roll stage
[00:03:17] <Loetmichel> undestructible
[00:03:26] <furrywolf> I can't view video right now.
[00:04:03] <furrywolf> FinboySlick: don't remember. I think they have a 10 in the model number, but could be wrong. they're two plastic woofers and a horn, and sound like two plastic woofers and a horn. :)
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[00:04:23] <furrywolf> I suck.
[00:04:24] <furrywolf> KG4
[00:04:27] <furrywolf> no 10 at all.
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[00:04:54] <FinboySlick> furrywolf: Well, they went a bit bose for a while and started selling cheap crap with their name on it. I wouldn't buy anything that's not reference series.
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[00:05:25] <furrywolf> they are, by far, the worst-sounding "hifi" speakers I have ever heard. actually, maybe not that bad... I once owned a pair of BICs that fucking sucked.
[00:05:29] <Loetmichel> furrywolf:
http://www.proavrentals.net/products/turbosound-tms-3-full-range-speaker-rental
[00:06:18] <furrywolf> http://www.klipsch.com/kg-4/details
[00:06:40] <FinboySlick> They bought Energy now so their low-end is getting a fair bit better. I bought this set earlier this year and have been *very* satisfied:
http://www.energy-speakers.com/products/take-classic/?sku=TK-CLASSI-5-1
[00:07:22] <furrywolf> http://img.canuckaudiomart.com/uploads/large/113444-klipsch_kg4s.jpg
[00:08:03] <FinboySlick> Somehow that doesn't look like it would work very well. Ah the 90s, time of gimmicks.
[00:08:54] <FinboySlick> They're tiny little things but good, sturdy and thick material, Perfect for their size.
[00:09:01] <furrywolf> ... renting them for 28 days costs 18 times the daily rate, while renting them for 7 days 4 times costs 16 times the daily rate. lol
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[00:09:32] <furrywolf> I have no use for 5.1
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[00:10:16] <FinboySlick> Well yeah, as you said you don't do movies. I use 'em for gaming.
[00:12:38] <furrywolf> I also don't do games. lol
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[00:27:47] <malcom2073> Well aren't you boring? :P
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[01:15:32] <sector_0> what do you guys think about using wood for a CNC machine?
[01:16:19] <sector_0> I've heard a couple persons say that wood warps in response to changes in humidity
[01:16:43] <sector_0> does this cause a significant problem?
[01:17:18] <sector_0> and what type of wood do these machines use?
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[01:18:53] <roycroft> use mdf and you'll be fine
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[01:19:28] <roycroft> assuming you're building a router
[01:19:48] <roycroft> if you're building a milling machine or a lathe or something else that's semi-precision or precision then you should not use wood
[01:24:53] <sector_0> roycroft, ok thanks
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[01:54:25] <ffurrywol> these woofers might be a better match for my ess amt1s... but they take 10" not 12" and would need kludging.
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[03:23:08] <ffurrywol> meh. I just replaced the tinsels on one of my pioneer woofers, and got ugly grey cold solder joints. pisses me off, but it's hard to solder to something that's on a cone covered in glue.
[03:32:21] <cradek_> ffurrywol: you're not using some lead-free solder abomination are you?
[03:32:46] <cradek_> huh what's with my underscore
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[03:33:27] <pcw_home> lead free always makes ugly grey cold solder joints :-)
[03:33:47] <cradek> it's not just my bad luck?
[03:34:30] <pcw_home> machine assembled its fine but doing repairs with it is terrible
[03:34:50] <cradek> that's good to know
[03:35:04] <cradek> when they started coming out I tried about 3 lead-free concoctions and none of them ... worked at all
[03:35:16] <cradek> like they wouldn't melt and stick things together
[03:35:31] <cradek> so I tossed 'em and went back to my huge old spool and I haven't tried since
[03:35:37] <cradek> I figured it would be better by now
[03:36:07] <pcw_home> much tricker than lead based solder (at least the tin/silver stuff we use)
[03:37:19] <pcw_home> it is never very shiny and fussier about having lots of flux
[03:37:47] <ffurrywol> this is regular 60/40... just trying to solder to glue! heh
[03:38:09] <cradek> ah!
[03:38:10] <ffurrywol> I soldered the new tinsel to the old solder joint, which was covered in glue. I attempted to scrape it off, but apparantly wasn't sufficiently successful.
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[03:39:06] <ffurrywol> pcw_home: I might be able to buy a 7i76e in a couple weeks... got any on hand? anything I need to buy to go with it? my rtfming suggests I just need to connect my 24v to it and it magically works.
[03:39:34] <pcw_home> I think we are down to about 0 :-(
[03:39:51] <ffurrywol> make more! :P
[03:40:01] <cradek> do you have the whole inventory in your head?
[03:40:08] <ffurrywol> yes, he does.
[03:40:11] <pcw_home> the first 50 sat around for about 2 years
[03:40:46] <pcw_home> Yes building a new batch now
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[03:41:26] <ffurrywol> also, someone in here requested you hurry up on a 7i77e for him. :P
[03:41:30] <pcw_home> also 7I96 which is cheap version
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[03:43:50] <pcw_home> Yeah in my voluminous spare time (probably could do it the same way as the
[03:43:51] <pcw_home> 7I76e, graft a 7I80 on a 7I77 so I can minimize re-layout)
[03:44:23] <ffurrywol> the 7i77e is listed as existing in a couple of places. heh.
[03:45:23] <pcw_home> I built some test firmware to check fittage of various configs
[03:45:53] <englishman> anyone can recommend the best mobo with parport at the moment
[03:46:01] <englishman> atom mini itx?
[03:46:24] <ffurrywol> no matter what mobos people suggest, someone finds they work great, and someone else finds they're completely unusable.
[03:47:00] <englishman> O.o
[03:47:10] <pcw_home> J1800s or J1900s are decent
[03:47:12] <pcw_home> the Atom MBs have good RTAI base thread latency but I find them terribly slow
[03:47:13] <cradek> take our live usb boot and a $20 to goodwill and pick whatever tests well
[03:47:54] <ffurrywol> pcw_home: when you said the 7i96 was the cheap version, did you mean 7i92?
[03:48:14] <ffurrywol> because I can't find a 7i96 existing. :)
[03:49:30] <pcw_home> 7I96 is 7I92 with built in 5 axis step/dir breakout +spindel encoder + 6x 2A floating outputs and 11x OPTO inputs
[03:50:00] <englishman> j1900 is a couple isn't it? does it come embedded?
[03:50:07] <englishman> err cpu
[03:50:08] <pcw_home> (and one 26 pin PP header)
[03:50:49] <pcw_home> the J1900 is a 2 GHz quad core intel CPU, replacement of the Atoms basically
[03:50:57] <ffurrywol> pcw_home: is this a new product? I can't find it...
[03:51:05] <pcw_home> (J1800 is 2/4 GHz dual)
[03:51:11] <pcw_home> Its new
[03:51:19] <ffurrywol> ah
[03:51:26] <englishman> cool stuff
[03:51:39] <ffurrywol> so what's different between a 7i76e and 7i96?
[03:51:42] <englishman> mini itx, must be replacing old atom
[03:51:53] <englishman> ya
[03:52:02] <englishman> :-) sorry on phone
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[03:52:28] <pcw_home> mainly less I/O, smaller FPGA, no analog spindle interface
[03:52:55] <ffurrywol> hrmm, so would probably work fine for my application, since I only have on/off spindle...
[03:53:32] <ffurrywol> stupid capacitor start motors. :)
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[03:54:23] <englishman> hmm will definitely get a j1900 then
[03:56:09] <pcw_home> When I get some free time, I'll try this on hm2_eth
[03:56:10] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856164024&cm_re=gigabyte_bxbt-_-56-164-024-_-Product
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[03:56:54] <ffurrywol> is the 7i96 going to be available in the near future, or should I go for the 7i76e?
[03:57:41] <pcw_home> next batch of 7I76es will be available first
[04:01:38] <pcw_home> I do have some test 7I76es around (theres one on my desk here running linuxcnc for the last 6 months or so, its rather dusty)
[04:02:20] <ffurrywol> heh, burn-in testing?
[04:03:31] <pcw_home> well hm2-eth is new so its being pounded on quite a bit
[04:04:45] <norias> anyone familiar with rolling ring drives?
[04:06:54] <ffurrywol> I have a similar drive with sets of ball bearings with their outside edge running on the shaft at an angle...
[04:07:40] <ffurrywol> rather than their inside edges
[04:07:48] <pcw_home> I know in Andy pughs mill retrofit he spins the ball nut, and the ball screw is stationary
[04:08:33] <ffurrywol> I imagine the operating properties are similar, but I've never used a rolling ring one.
[04:08:55] <norias> i've seen folks attempt what you are discussing
[04:09:00] <norias> but the mounts were 3d printed
[04:09:12] <norias> and it didn't fair well from a repeatability standpoint
[04:09:35] <norias> i'm thinking of testing out this rolling ring system
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[04:09:37] <ffurrywol> http://fw.bushytails.net/slider02.jpg that's the one I have.
[04:09:39] <norias> it sounds interesting
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[04:09:56] <norias> right, yeah, i've seen stuff similar
[04:10:00] <ffurrywol> no 3d printing. heavy aluminum. :)
[04:10:03] <norias> have you tested it under load at all?
[04:10:15] <norias> it seems a common solution in some areas
[04:10:28] <ffurrywol> yes. it grips until a certain force, then it slips. tightening the block increases this force.
[04:10:45] <norias> sounds about right
[04:10:46] <pcw_home> Many many years ago I designed a boat loader that used those
[04:11:06] <ffurrywol> it's not suitable for anything requiring open-loop positioning. for a cnc machine, you'd need glass scales and closing the loop that way.
[04:11:10] <norias> I think I'll make something like what you've got there, furrywolf
[04:11:13] <norias> and try it
[04:11:27] <norias> i'll test it side by side with the other system
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[04:11:50] <ffurrywol> I don't think it's repeatable - that is, you drive it back and forth the same number of rotations, I don't think you end up in the same spot with any reliability.
[04:11:57] <norias> ok
[04:12:08] <pcw_home> (for diffusion furnaces, it had potentiometer feedback)
[04:12:11] <norias> have you tried it?
[04:12:35] <ffurrywol> http://fw.bushytails.net/slider01.jpg the unit I got uses a 10-turn precision pot and a timing belt for position feedback, but that wouldn't be accurate enough for a cnc machine.
[04:13:05] <ffurrywol> I bet no one here can guess what I pulled that out of and what it did. :P
[04:13:21] <norias> some kind of packaging equipment,
[04:13:24] <norias> or material handling?
[04:13:31] <ffurrywol> nope
[04:13:36] <norias> well, i tried
[04:13:46] <ffurrywol> lol
[04:14:24] <ffurrywol> http://fw.bushytails.net/slider03.jpg http://fw.bushytails.net/slider04.jpg more views of the angled bearings
[04:15:16] <ffurrywol> I kid you not, that device was a precision boob squisher.
[04:15:44] <ffurrywol> from an x-ray mammogram machine scrapped at the local scrapyard
[04:17:11] <norias> i wonder
[04:17:21] <norias> what would happen if you did two side by side
[04:17:31] <norias> geared the shafts together
[04:19:24] <ffurrywol> and?
[04:22:52] <ffurrywol> I mean, the obvious answer is they both move... what do you want to test? heh
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[04:28:08] <norias> that didn't go well for me
[04:28:51] <ffurrywol> what didn't?
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[04:30:34] <norias> internet connection went bad for a moment
[04:30:57] <ffurrywol> ah
[04:31:15] <ffurrywol> I was figuring your roller experiment managed to knock out the local powerplant or something. :P
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[04:31:57] <norias> experiments
[04:32:00] <norias> maybe next month
[04:32:11] <norias> if revenue / sales keep up
[04:34:55] <ffurrywol> I still have that actuator (the automatic boob squisher), but I had it in a damp storage unit, and it got annoyingly rusty... the shaft needs a good sandpapering before I find a project for it.
[04:35:59] <norias> right on
[04:37:57] <ffurrywol> I still haven't found a project where I need a couple feet of low-precision actuation
[04:44:25] <ffurrywol> it fills an odd niche... it's not precise, it's not powerful, it's not fast,...
[04:45:12] <ffurrywol> applications where smooth movement with a controllable mechanical force limit that don't need precision or high speed aren't all that common.
[04:46:26] <ffurrywol> bbl, wolfy bedtime
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