#linuxcnc | Logs for 2015-06-16

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[00:00:02] <_methods> you need to make sure your retract heights and feed heights are set correctly in solidcam
[00:02:57] <Cromaglious> crash? NYCCNC did that last week... retract was 0.020 shy of clearing a bolt on the hold down
[00:06:43] <_methods> shit happens
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[00:20:13] <furrywolf> I need a shop. :(
[00:21:00] <malcom2073> Help me concrete mine and you can use it :-P
[00:21:09] <furrywolf> I just put down some more pallets in the grass to give me more space to stack generators.
[00:21:31] <malcom2073> lol
[00:25:29] <furrywolf> what else am I supposed to do? heh
[00:26:38] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: put some more pallets on top, a tarp, and sand on top of the tarp
[00:27:30] <furrywolf> ... so I can work in the sand?
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[00:29:13] <SpeedEvil> I mean as a roof
[00:30:15] <furrywolf> lol
[00:30:47] <furrywolf> I really hope to be able to afford my own property one of these days, and then I can have a shop...
[00:31:59] <SpeedEvil> you don't have permission to erect temporary structures?
[00:32:37] <furrywolf> oh, I could, but that takes time and money...
[00:32:48] <furrywolf> pallet shacks look like shit, by the way.
[00:33:02] <SpeedEvil> :)
[00:33:22] <SpeedEvil> yeah - I'm planning on making something that doesn't quite look like shit cheapish
[00:33:32] <SpeedEvil> using cast concrete and ...
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[00:33:38] <SpeedEvil> Timber framed
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[00:34:50] <furrywolf> nothing made with concrete is cheap.
[00:34:53] <furrywolf> concrete is expensive!
[00:35:07] <furrywolf> wood is much, much cheaper
[00:35:10] <SpeedEvil> Thin tiles, fibreglass reinforced
[00:35:22] <SpeedEvil> hung on timber
[00:35:29] <furrywolf> fiberglass is even more expensive
[00:35:42] <furrywolf> also, that sounds suspiciously like hardiboard, something you can already buy, cheaper than you can make it.
[00:35:43] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fibreglass-heavy-plastering-rendering-reinforcing-mesh-roll-1M-x-50M-165gsm-/380994770209?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item58b50ed521
[00:36:29] <SpeedEvil> In principle, pretensioning this, and then pouring concrete on top of it, and then adding decorative chips gives you a nice thin light strong weatherproof, decorative board.
[00:36:30] <furrywolf> that's a very open, thin mesh. you'll need lots of layers.
[00:36:42] <zeeshan|2> pee on the soil
[00:36:46] <zeeshan|2> get mushrooms
[00:36:51] <zeeshan|2> put stuff on mushrooms
[00:36:57] <furrywolf> in principle, going to your local hardware store and buying a stack of hardiboard is cheaper. :P
[00:37:14] <SpeedEvil> It's actually strongly bonded between each mesh. The idea is you apply ~1 ton/m on each axis
[00:37:47] <furrywolf> zeeshan|2: ?
[00:37:56] <furrywolf> zeeshan|2: how much weight have you put in the back of your car? :P
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[00:38:05] <zeeshan|2> battery
[00:38:06] <zeeshan|2> thats about it :P
[00:38:17] <zeeshan|2> didnt wanna mess with the balance
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[00:38:56] <furrywolf> the guy I got the generators from said he had a couple more 3000s about 50 miles up in the hills. I went there in my car, since it uses less gas than the van, and is a lot more nimble. he had a couple 3000s... and another 6500, a couple 2000s, and four and a half 1000s... I have about 1200 lbs in my subie right now.
[00:39:15] <zeeshan|2> you have too much fetish for generators
[00:39:20] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[00:39:30] <Tom_itx> JonOS, what sort of machine do you have?
[00:39:38] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: https://www.jameshardie.com/
[00:40:13] <furrywolf> people buy full-size trucks and use them to get groceries... I keep putting more weight in my subie than most people ever put in their trucks. heh.
[00:41:29] <furrywolf> unfortunately, just like the other two, the 6500 has, of course, another bad inverter.
[00:41:33] <furrywolf> I'm beginning to think honda undersized the inverters on them somehow.
[00:41:55] <furrywolf> it could also be that I only get ones with bad inverters, because it's the one part too expensive for most people to want to change. heh.
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[00:42:46] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: god that's a fucking awful website.
[00:42:56] * furrywolf tries to find a better one
[00:44:01] <furrywolf> if they weren't fucking potted...!
[00:44:45] <zeeshan|2> language !
[00:44:51] * zeeshan|2 is langauge patrol
[00:44:56] <zeeshan|2> fak fak fak!
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[00:45:16] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I'm aiming at ~$3/m^2 or so, tops
[00:45:24] * Tom_itx slaps zeeshan|2 with a wet noodle
[00:45:37] <zeeshan|2> Tom_itx: what do you call a scary bee?
[00:45:59] <furrywolf> for anything involving concrete? not happening
[00:46:01] <Tom_itx> i don't generally call them
[00:46:05] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: why?
[00:46:05] <furrywolf> unless concrete is a lot cheaper there than here
[00:46:12] <zeeshan|2> boo-bee
[00:46:13] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[00:46:22] <furrywolf> because concrete costs more than wood in any measurement other than weight? heh
[00:46:59] <zeeshan|2> nothing beats using a skid
[00:47:03] <zeeshan|2> as a cheap platform
[00:47:07] <zeeshan|2> they are free :P
[00:48:05] <SpeedEvil> Wood is not very cheap here.
[00:48:12] <zeeshan|2> you live in england
[00:48:15] <zeeshan|2> the land of nothing!
[00:48:17] <SpeedEvil> yes
[00:48:18] * zeeshan|2 hides
[00:48:25] <SpeedEvil> Scotland, technically
[00:48:34] <zeeshan|2> you see a lot of brick houses there for a reason
[00:48:49] <zeeshan|2> i like uk
[00:48:49] <furrywolf> a 4x8ft (very close to 3m2) sheet of 1/2" plywood is $14... cement, I don't remember the prices right now, is something like $20/80lb bag...
[00:49:04] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: limestone!
[00:49:07] <zeeshan|2> shit's cheap
[00:49:21] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: yes, but most of the weight is sand and aggregate, not cement
[00:49:33] <furrywolf> those cost money too
[00:49:41] <furrywolf> and plywood is under $5/m2...
[00:49:42] <SpeedEvil> Much less
[00:49:54] <zeeshan|2> how dare you use si units
[00:49:54] <SpeedEvil> 1600lb of sand is $80
[00:50:00] <zeeshan|2> especially when talking about plywood
[00:50:07] <furrywolf> zeeshan|2: because he's in si-land. :P
[00:50:10] <zeeshan|2> haha
[00:50:24] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: do you have a scottish accent
[00:50:26] <furrywolf> except for road signs, weights, volumes,... :P
[00:50:34] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan|2: somewhat.
[00:50:38] <zeeshan|2> cool :D
[00:50:56] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: does it sound like canadian and americans have accents to you?
[00:51:02] <zeeshan|2> (i always was curious to know that)
[00:51:22] <zeeshan|2> we think you have an accent, yet you think we have an accent :D
[00:51:23] <zeeshan|2> funny how that works
[00:51:38] * zeeshan|2 watches doubleboost on youtube and has become accustomed to the accident
[00:51:40] <zeeshan|2> *accent
[00:52:04] <furrywolf> the mesh you pasted is 50m2 for about $50 (more, but it makes the numbers round). that's $1/m2 per layer. you need a few layers...
[00:52:18] <zeeshan|2> cpresser: hi
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[00:52:38] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: It's not that sort of fibreglass.
[00:52:43] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: It's one layer
[00:52:52] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/0YJM0JX.jpg
[00:52:53] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/36EVtRC.jpg
[00:53:01] <zeeshan|2> there is the microprocessor.
[00:53:06] <furrywolf> one layer results in something that cracks instantly. you need layers with a space between them to create strength.
[00:53:08] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/pEFc3cr.jpg
[00:53:15] <zeeshan|2> here's pics for the boards
[00:53:16] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: hence the pretensioning
[00:53:40] <SpeedEvil> This is not how you're supposed to use it, but specs and limited tests indicate it works fine
[00:54:27] <furrywolf> I think you're going to end up with something weaker and more costly than wood. heh.
[00:54:36] <furrywolf> 1/2" plywood is very strong.
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[00:55:00] <furrywolf> you can get the 3/8" stuff for like $9 a sheet if you don't need strength... probably still stronger than cement and one layer of fiberglass mesh.
[00:55:14] <SpeedEvil> yes, I'd also like something that doesn't forever require painting, and the decent stuff that won't rot instantly is not that cheap.
[00:55:28] <furrywolf> the prices I'm giving are for exterior plywood.
[00:55:45] <SpeedEvil> quite.
[00:55:56] <SpeedEvil> And I would be delighted if I could get that price.
[00:56:25] <SpeedEvil> It's more like ~$13/sheet in 50s.
[00:56:34] <SpeedEvil> For the non-exterior grade
[00:56:51] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/JJ6CnSY.jpg
[00:56:55] <zeeshan|2> here's the future plasma cutter
[00:57:01] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/W2EU1CF.jpg
[00:57:19] <furrywolf> you don't usually see non-exterior plywood for sale here... it'd rot too quickly even inside.
[00:57:39] <furrywolf> only time I've seen non-exterior was stuff with fancy veneers on it.
[00:57:51] <SpeedEvil> This is real shite.
[00:58:01] <SpeedEvil> Some of the sheets have a ~20 degree bend in them
[00:58:19] <furrywolf> lol
[00:58:25] <furrywolf> that's from improper storage
[00:58:33] <furrywolf> go to a better lumber yard.
[00:58:56] <furrywolf> that's what happens when you drop it on racks with no support along the length
[00:59:18] <furrywolf> now, if you want OSB, that stuff is dirt cheap... because it sucks.
[00:59:27] <SpeedEvil> Oh - no.
[00:59:34] <SpeedEvil> It's not due to lack of support.
[00:59:50] <SpeedEvil> Some is nicely circularly warped.
[01:00:21] <furrywolf> osb is like $8/sheet for 1/2"...
[01:00:28] <SpeedEvil> if only
[01:01:53] <furrywolf> concrete, brick, etc are expensive here... wood is cheap.
[01:01:59] <furrywolf> 8ft 2x4s are around $2...
[01:02:07] <furrywolf> for nice ones!
[01:02:35] <furrywolf> you can get to around $1.50 for the slightly shorter ones in "stud grade" (bends and knots).
[01:03:43] <furrywolf> I bought some 16x16" pavers the other day... $8 each for crap ones.
[01:04:36] <SpeedEvil> yeah - that price for timber is about half what I can get
[01:04:42] <SpeedEvil> In moderate quantity
[01:04:55] <furrywolf> that's for single quantity, no account, no discount.
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[01:05:10] <furrywolf> it's cheaper if you buy in quantity or have an account...
[01:08:47] <SpeedEvil> Oddly the cheapest source of timber I've found has planed-all-round at moderately cheaper than rough-sawn
[01:09:00] <furrywolf> lol
[01:09:50] <SpeedEvil> From memory, $200 for 100m of 3*2
[01:10:45] <furrywolf> 3x2? that's a weird size. :P
[01:10:57] <furrywolf> everything here is 2x4.
[01:11:02] <SpeedEvil> 4*2 is volumetrically more expensive
[01:12:11] <furrywolf> I tried buying 2x3 once here... it's pretty much unavailable. if you want it, you rip a 2x6.
[01:12:30] <furrywolf> I tried four lumber yards and couldn't get it.
[01:13:50] <furrywolf> other than x1, odd sizes (as in, not even numbers of inches) do not exist.
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[01:25:21] <JonOS> Tom_itx: sorry took a break and just saw your post about what kind of machine I had ....
[01:26:50] <JonOS> I have a homebrew mill made out of scanner steppers and ways ... made with particle board and plywood .... works but not too sturdy ... only milling wax for the moment
[01:27:37] <JonOS> have a link to a picture online if you are interested ...
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[01:28:45] <JonOS> right now I am mostly working on learning the G-code language equivalents of loops and subroutines ... pretty new to LinuxCNC but it installed and running
[01:28:47] <Tom_itx> yup
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[01:29:13] <Tom_itx> gotta start somewhere
[01:29:38] <JonOS> http://imgur.com/EVJQekB
[01:30:46] <JonOS> I was making my own pcb's and writing my own assembly code .... ugh .... didn't have good stepper drivers (low current/power) ... now using Pololu ... up to 2Amp/coil ... :)
[01:31:52] <Tom_itx> i've got a bud doing the same thing
[01:31:52] <JonOS> that's a dremel tool ... very old .... ran off 7volt rechargibles!
[01:32:29] <JonOS> want to work up to an aluminum machine by using lost was method of casting .... from milled wax ... grass roots
[01:32:54] <JonOS> what is your setup like?
[01:34:14] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/sherline_files/sherline_index.php
[01:34:17] <Tom_itx> original setup
[01:34:29] <JonOS> funny I was going to guess sherline :)
[01:34:36] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/psu_index.php
[01:34:44] <Tom_itx> new supply
[01:35:00] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/timing_pulley_index.php
[01:35:03] <Tom_itx> new drive
[01:36:24] <JonOS> what kind of amps can you get from your transformer supplies?
[01:36:46] <Tom_itx> ~18
[01:36:52] <Tom_itx> 48v
[01:37:39] <JonOS> I got a transformer from an old microwave I made a spot welder out of .... many amps (hundreds) at one volt .... but I rewired the secondary coil
[01:38:19] <JonOS> that is not continuous load though .... probably would heat up pretty good
[01:38:48] <JonOS> what do the sherline motors require in amps/power?
[01:39:26] <Tom_itx> i'm not driving mine very hard
[01:39:31] <Tom_itx> 2-3A for now
[01:39:53] <Tom_itx> could push them to 4 i think but i won't
[01:40:50] <JonOS> Is the pully system for a spindle or the x-y-z system too?
[01:41:34] <Tom_itx> spindle
[01:41:51] <Tom_itx> so i can get reverse and do things like rigid tapping and sync motion
[01:43:33] <Tom_itx> i use it mostly for playing with linuxcnc nowdays
[01:43:38] <JonOS> I noticed you built a cage around your mill ..... I have to have something similar since I work inside and was gets everywhere!
[01:44:05] <JonOS> *wax get everywhere
[01:46:01] <JonOS> I see some robots on your site ... is that your main focus? got any other projects in the works?
[01:46:59] <Tom_itx> not so much anymore
[01:47:43] <JonOS> I see also you have 68HC11 background .... I am working with those alot ... making pcbs .... I got about 50 of them surplus ...
[01:48:02] <Tom_itx> they're antiques now
[01:48:44] <JonOS> yeah ... but I have invested too much in learning how to use them ... and right now can't afford to change ...
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[01:48:57] <JonOS> collecting all the compilers etc
[01:48:59] <Tom_itx> avr are pretty nice
[01:49:02] <Tom_itx> cheap too
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[01:49:19] <Tom_itx> use avrgcc
[01:49:29] <JonOS> yeah ...
[01:54:05] <JonOS> I am curious about your toaster oven project .... what do you use it for? and is the control system for temperature?
[01:55:20] <Tom_itx> reflowing boards
[01:55:35] <JonOS> I tore apart several of these for the heating elements and made a small "kiln" for melting aluminum primarly ...
[01:56:09] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/reflow/cooking.JPG
[01:57:03] <JonOS> nice I would like to get into reflow ... and surface mount .... but I am still doing DIP TTL with transfer paper ... ugh .... eagle PCB software helps
[01:57:35] <JonOS> I still have one toaster oven left ... maybe reflow in the future
[01:59:40] <Tom_itx> i've used eagle for a long time
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[02:00:11] <Tom_itx> too lazy to do toner transfer anymore
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[02:00:57] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/tiny/tinyTPI1.jpg
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[02:01:15] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/tiny/tinyboard1.jpg
[02:01:22] <Tom_itx> those are SOT23 btw
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[02:11:17] <JonOS> nice clean traces! ...
[02:12:22] <JonOS> if you don't do toner transfer ... how are you getting you etch "mask"?
[02:12:52] <Tom_itx> china
[02:13:17] <JonOS> something you laser print on?
[02:13:37] <Tom_itx> i send em in to board houses nowdays
[02:13:42] <JonOS> oh
[02:13:51] <Tom_itx> haven't done many lately though
[02:14:26] <JonOS> yeah ... it's relatively cheap ... but have more time than money ... :)
[02:18:02] <JonOS> nice talking to you Tom_itx ... hopefully I'll be around here in the future as I get more aquainted with LinuxCNC ...
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[03:24:23] <furrywolf> just did a round of initial generator diagnosis... one of the eu1000is put out power running off starting fluid (but not gas), smokes a bit. one of the eu2000is sprays the starting fluid back out the intake. the other 2000 has no oil drain plug or oil. both of the other 1000s have completely oil-fouled spark plugs, one of which also has water on it.
[03:25:22] <furrywolf> one of the 3000s starts (it even came with a tank of gas and a fully charged battery!) and puts out power, but smokes heavily. the other 3000 has the carb monkeyed with and I couldn't get any sign of life, and the starter is marginal so I didn't try too hard.
[03:25:43] <furrywolf> the 6500 starts and runs perfectly... until it shuts down 5 seconds later with bad inverter codes.
[03:26:52] <furrywolf> there's a fourth 1000 completely (and I mean completely! they'd put a tweeker to shame!) dismantled in a box looks like it needs rings, both because they look worn, and there's a sealed ring kit next to the piston.
[03:28:49] <furrywolf> there seems to be enough parts to make all of them work, with purchasing sufficient new parts. unfortunately none of them seem to have problems fixed by pulling parts off another generator!
[03:29:28] <furrywolf> I think I have 7 generators that need rings and/or valves. :)
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[03:45:28] <zeeshan|2> dude
[03:45:30] <zeeshan|2> you have too many generators
[03:45:32] <zeeshan|2> gimme one
[03:46:12] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/6ztY0
[03:46:17] <zeeshan|2> tonights toolbox score
[03:46:25] <zeeshan|2> $175 for all
[03:46:35] <zeeshan|2> i actually went for the kennedy box for $60
[03:46:38] <zeeshan|2> and he had all these other boxes
[03:46:40] <zeeshan|2> full of tools
[03:47:03] <zeeshan|2> all quality brands like brown and sharpe, proto, starrett, mitutoyo
[03:47:08] <zeeshan|2> shit there's even a made in usa cat40 taper cleaner
[03:47:08] <zeeshan|2> haha
[03:47:10] <zeeshan|2> i needed one!
[03:47:37] <zeeshan|2> i really like the old school wood box
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[04:01:10] <furrywolf> sure, which broken one do you want? :P
[04:01:29] <zeeshan|2> lol
[04:01:35] <zeeshan|2> the least broken one!
[04:02:22] <furrywolf> all of the last batch are similiarly brokenn. except for the eu6500, they all need valves (or valve guides or a head), rings, or both. the 6500 needs an inverter, which is very expensive.
[04:02:33] <furrywolf> rings are cheap, it's just the labor...
[04:02:42] <zeeshan|2> youre kinda far :[
[04:02:49] <zeeshan|2> i'd take one off your hands
[04:03:00] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[04:03:02] <zeeshan|2> dude
[04:03:05] <zeeshan|2> theres so many tools in this
[04:03:10] <zeeshan|2> i dont even know where to begin
[04:03:10] <furrywolf> shipping to the land of ehs is very expensive.
[04:03:41] <furrywolf> yeah, looks like you got a quite good deal.
[04:03:50] <zeeshan|2> i think im gonna keep the kennedy box
[04:03:52] <zeeshan|2> and get rid of the rest
[04:04:00] <zeeshan|2> i cant decide if i should keep the kennedy
[04:04:01] <zeeshan|2> or the beach
[04:04:06] <zeeshan|2> i wanna keep one
[04:04:57] <furrywolf> I have a kennedy box... it's empty. instead all my machinist tools live mixed together in a plastic tub.
[04:05:14] <zeeshan|2> lol wtf!
[04:05:30] <zeeshan|2> i think practically
[04:05:35] <zeeshan|2> the beach box would be more useful
[04:05:40] <zeeshan|2> since i can store all my setup things in it
[04:05:45] <furrywolf> which one is that? I don't recognize the name.
[04:05:50] <zeeshan|2> the big red one
[04:05:59] <zeeshan|2> i think it's a canadian brand
[04:06:12] <zeeshan|2> dude you know whats funny
[04:06:23] <zeeshan|2> i pulled a stanley blade out
[04:06:29] <zeeshan|2> "MADE IN USA"
[04:06:36] <zeeshan|2> i have the same exact thing
[04:06:36] <furrywolf> the eu1000i that's in the box is cute... the crank is so small I think I could pass it through the cylinder on the eu3000is. :P
[04:06:40] <zeeshan|2> but it says made in china
[04:06:41] <zeeshan|2> =D
[04:07:06] <furrywolf> stanley used to make decent tools. they then got bought by black&decker and made crap, like everything else.
[04:07:17] <zeeshan|2> yea
[04:07:22] <zeeshan|2> another thing im happy about
[04:07:25] <zeeshan|2> is wood handle screw drivers
[04:07:28] <zeeshan|2> been wanting them for a while
[04:07:30] <zeeshan|2> got some now
[04:07:48] <zeeshan|2> this guy had some torx fetish..
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[04:08:02] <zeeshan|2> he has 6 sets of torx drivers
[04:08:14] <zeeshan|2> why would someone do that?
[04:09:27] <furrywolf> b&d owns stanley, dewalt, porter-cable, mac, proto, bostich, blackhawk, oldham, kwikset, price pfister, devilbiss, etc, etc, etc....
[04:09:36] <zeeshan|2> wow
[04:09:41] <zeeshan|2> i didnt know they owned that many companies
[04:09:54] <zeeshan|2> dewalt power tools are way better than milwaukee
[04:09:55] <furrywolf> if you have six sets, that means you can find one at least 50% of the time. that's my experience at least.
[04:09:59] <zeeshan|2> so i guess they're not crap
[04:10:05] <zeeshan|2> well dude
[04:10:09] <furrywolf> eh, modern dewalt is getting pretty crappy...
[04:10:09] <zeeshan|2> you just keep a drawer called "torx"
[04:10:10] <zeeshan|2> or allen
[04:10:29] <furrywolf> right, except what if you don't have drawers. you have piles of stuff. you also have a shop, a garage, a vehicle toolkit,...
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[04:10:47] <furrywolf> one by the milling stuff, one with the automotive stuff,...
[04:11:09] <furrywolf> and, of course, two is one and one is none. the size you need will be the one that broke last time and you forgot to replace...
[04:11:18] <zeeshan|2> lol
[04:11:23] <zeeshan|2> i have yet to break a torx
[04:11:30] <zeeshan|2> ive snapped a little allen key before
[04:11:35] <zeeshan|2> but never a torx
[04:11:38] <zeeshan|2> you strip the head before that happens :P
[04:11:44] <furrywolf> I've broken many.
[04:11:50] <zeeshan|2> wait
[04:11:53] <zeeshan|2> i did broke a torx 40.
[04:11:58] <zeeshan|2> when disassembling my transmission
[04:12:01] <zeeshan|2> but that was a socket
[04:12:03] <furrywolf> go to remove a rusted bolt, and something's going to give... if you're lucky, it's the rust. generally not. :P
[04:13:22] <zeeshan|2> damn rust :D
[04:13:59] <furrywolf> make sure they're all torx, and one of them isn't torx plus.
[04:14:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.valmet.com/en/infocenter/media.nsf/WebWID/WTB-140207-2257B-2293B/$File/Paper_machine_VALMET.jpg it's as big as a ship!
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[04:14:04] <furrywolf> I have one torx plus set. heh.
[04:14:30] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: what is that? a paper mill?
[04:14:36] <CaptHindsight> yes
[04:14:43] <furrywolf> what, they couldn't take a picture of something they actually built?
[04:14:55] <zeeshan|2> that is a pretty impressive cad model
[04:14:57] <zeeshan|2> to be honest
[04:15:31] <zeeshan|2> too bad the casters are molded
[04:15:32] <zeeshan|2> into the floor
[04:15:33] <zeeshan|2> lol
[04:15:34] <zeeshan|2> hahahah
[04:15:40] <furrywolf> also, why is everything sunken 6" into the floor? :P
[04:15:44] <zeeshan|2> LOL
[04:16:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.metsopower.com/News/Newsdocuments.nsf/Attachments/HokuetsuPM9/$File/PM092008_Hokuetsu%20Paper_PM9__high.jpg?OpenElement
[04:16:10] <zeeshan|2> also
[04:16:13] <zeeshan|2> there is a windows screen
[04:16:19] <zeeshan|2> next to the "optiformer text"
[04:16:20] <zeeshan|2> to the left of it
[04:16:22] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[04:16:40] <CaptHindsight> actual photo ^^
[04:16:41] <zeeshan|2> that is gorgeous CaptHindsight
[04:17:10] <zeeshan|2> what a clean facility
[04:17:12] <zeeshan|2> gorgeous
[04:17:17] <CaptHindsight> they want to 3D print the rollers
[04:17:22] <zeeshan|2> why??????
[04:18:16] <CaptHindsight> to form certain surface characteristics on the outside of the rollers
[04:18:35] <furrywolf> clean? you see all the paper dust built up on the floor around it, and the hydraulic leaks at the front? :P
[04:19:00] <CaptHindsight> watermarks, friction, water removal etc
[04:19:05] <furrywolf> or maybe that's absorbant for the liquid, not paper dust...
[04:19:23] <CaptHindsight> 7m wide
[04:19:39] * furrywolf bets that machine wasn't cheap
[04:20:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.intechopen.com/source/html/16069/media/image1.png
[04:22:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.knowpap.com/www_demo/english/paper_technology/paper_machine/1_lwc/lwc_paperikone_36013.gif look at how many rollers they have
[04:22:30] <furrywolf> if you want fun, look for a video of a large newspaper press in action. paper moves FAST. web breaks are fun.
[04:22:43] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: want some layout stuff?
[04:22:55] <roycroft> newspaper?
[04:23:02] <roycroft> do you mean like a paper website?
[04:23:10] <CaptHindsight> heh
[04:24:17] <furrywolf> nah, I suck at manual machining enough that layout isn't useful.
[04:24:19] <furrywolf> CNC! :P
[04:24:26] <zeeshan|2> i still laytout
[04:24:29] <CaptHindsight> I recall going through the Chicago Tribune plant right after they switched to digital typesetting
[04:24:30] <zeeshan|2> btw i got that job i postyed earlier
[04:24:37] <zeeshan|2> a couple parts im just gonna layout by hand
[04:24:40] <zeeshan|2> its faster
[04:26:28] <furrywolf> I need a vise, a rotary table, a 4-jaw chuck, a collet set,...
[04:26:44] <zeeshan|2> i need a collet set too! :P
[04:27:19] <furrywolf> I'm thinking of getting a chinese er25 set with a mt3 er25 chuck.
[04:31:35] <furrywolf> but, all that stuff costs money.
[04:31:42] <furrywolf> hopefully I can sell generators and turn them into money.
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[04:39:02] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[04:42:13] <A_Nub> Hey, anyone know what a good amount of overcut is for thin sheets, namely carbon fiber?
[04:42:23] <A_Nub> I just ran a cut with .2mm overcut
[04:42:37] <A_Nub> but my bed is a tad shallow in the middle it seems or my gcode is bad
[04:42:48] <A_Nub> it didn't finish cutting the whole plate
[04:43:24] <A_Nub> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/yP8E5VUS/1434429801.JPG
[04:43:39] <A_Nub> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/TkDZ63Sy/1434429816.JPG
[04:47:09] <Valen> what do you mean by overcut?
[04:47:44] <Valen> you mean depth?
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[04:48:06] <Valen> well, deep enough to cut through your CF lol A_Nub
[04:49:03] <A_Nub> Valen: well was just wondering if there was like a standard percentage or what not
[04:49:09] <A_Nub> because I still want tabs etc
[04:49:22] <A_Nub> and it seems I have some uneven movement
[04:49:23] <A_Nub> :/
[04:49:24] <Valen> its nothing to do with carbon fibre
[04:49:30] <A_Nub> right I understand that
[04:49:47] <Valen> how are you holding it down and what to?
[04:50:33] <A_Nub> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/yYrzjwI2/1434430230.JPG
[04:50:40] <A_Nub> I use 4 of those
[04:50:45] <A_Nub> it's plenty tight
[04:50:55] <A_Nub> should I be doing it another way?
[04:56:20] <Valen> that could well be bowing it
[04:56:32] <Valen> how thick is the CF?
[04:56:59] <Valen> also do you have any screws or anything to hold the bit you are cutting out down?
[04:58:30] <A_Nub> 1mm
[04:58:39] <A_Nub> I've had the same issue with 2mm before
[04:58:44] <A_Nub> no screws
[04:58:59] <A_Nub> trying to use tabs
[04:59:09] <A_Nub> they mostly work
[04:59:19] <A_Nub> I think I'll just add more overcut for now
[04:59:32] <A_Nub> need to figure out better mounting
[04:59:33] <A_Nub> :/
[05:02:34] <Valen> for a large thin sheet like that vacuum can help
[05:02:53] <Valen> you also have to wonder if your sacrifical layer is accurate to .2 mm
[05:09:09] <A_Nub> yea highly doubt it is
[05:09:21] <A_Nub> ill just overcut .5mm
[05:09:22] <A_Nub> for now
[05:09:26] <A_Nub> that should get it done
[05:09:39] <A_Nub> wish I had more than a cheapo chinese 3040T, but gotta start somewhere ;)
[05:10:13] <A_Nub> while I got you here any cam reccomendations? Been using cambam
[05:10:27] <A_Nub> I don't like how I can't bring in multiple dxfs
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[05:22:12] <Valen> dunno really
[05:22:32] <Valen> I use rhinocam as part of rhino ;->
[05:22:41] <Valen> there are a few opensource ones you could perhaps try
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[07:17:32] <witnit> I have a servo amp im unable to find documentation for, any leads would be nice (44-10193-001 rev k) pmi motion technologies, division of kollmorgen. this is the only information i can find on this dc brush amp
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[12:10:08] <jthornton> just using Wheezy file manager and selecting a zip file and right click extract all here and only some of the files are extracted... how nice
[12:11:46] <Tom_itx> did you select the --random option?
[12:15:49] <jthornton> don't know how to add a command line option to a right mouse click
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[12:47:33] <lair82> skunkworks, you around/
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[12:57:33] <skunkworks> How is the tuning going?
[13:05:05] <lair82> A little discouraging, I get looking not too bad at a low feed rate, then on a high speed jog it sounds like crap
[13:06:06] <lair82> I haven't touched the drive itself, but the machine has been running for 20 some years, flawlessly
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[13:06:59] <lair82> So I would imagine the drive is ok, but assumptions are the mother of all F-ups, as they say.
[13:07:41] <lair82> In the INI, what should the OUTPUT_SCALE=, be set to?
[13:08:20] <lair82> I had 10, not sure why, changed it to 1, Look out, crazy shit happened.
[13:09:06] <lair82> I assume it scales the voltage out to the drive, but wouldn't I want 1:1 command?
[13:09:30] <Roguish> Hey all you Linux folks. What is a good way to get a 'remote desktop' in Debian, through another Debian system?
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[13:11:15] <_methods> x11 forwarding
[13:11:22] <_methods> vnc
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[13:11:34] <_methods> x2
[13:12:07] <Roguish> methods, thanks. can you be specific on the apps? is it all available via synaptic?
[13:12:20] <_methods> x2 and vnc should be
[13:12:49] <_methods> remmina
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[13:13:35] <_methods> remmina is pretty user friendly you might want to try thatfirst
[13:14:16] <_methods> rdesktop and vinagre will work also
[13:14:24] <_methods> so you have plenty of options
[13:14:44] <_methods> oh i mean 2x not x2
[13:14:47] <_methods> sorry about that
[13:14:50] <_methods> 2xclient
[13:14:54] <Roguish> ok, remmina is a client to use from the system that I am sitting at, right?
[13:15:04] <_methods> you are on a linux box right now?
[13:15:06] <_methods> then yes
[13:15:40] <Roguish> no, i'm on a win7 box. (I have PuTTY and Xming working to go from win7 to debian)
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[13:15:53] <Roguish> via xdmc
[13:16:23] <_methods> but you want to go from debian to debian right?
[13:16:49] <Roguish> yes. to go from my test system in the office to the mill system in the shop.
[13:17:17] <Roguish> What goes on the box I want to remote into?
[13:17:56] <_methods> you may need to set up vnc on the remote box
[13:18:01] <Roguish> in this case the mill box (the server i think is the term)
[13:18:13] <Roguish> terminolgy
[13:18:25] <_methods> i'd set up the same program on both boxes
[13:18:31] <_methods> that should cover all your bases
[13:19:22] <Roguish> so I should install 'remmina' on both boxes?
[13:19:58] <Roguish> ok., i'll give it a whirl.....thanks
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[13:21:09] <_methods> i would install it on both just to make things easy
[13:22:45] <Roguish> hopefully all the 'depends' will include both server and client.....
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[13:24:07] <_methods> yeah
[13:24:22] <_methods> that's why i'm saying i'd install on both just to make it easy
[13:24:54] <Roguish> cool. i'm reading on remmina now. and if it's on both, i can go either way if I need to.
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[13:42:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.e-ci.com/baam big cnc glue gun
[13:43:12] <lair82> PCW skunkworks, I just checked with an indicator, using the .100 incremental jog, I am getting exactly .100 moves on the indicator. So it narrows it down to soley a tuning issue, sound right?
[13:43:42] <skunkworks> that is 1/2 turn of the resovler?
[13:43:45] <CaptHindsight> "This research is sponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy, Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, Advanced Manufacturing Office, under contract DE-AC05-00OR22725 with UT-Battelle, LLC"
[13:46:02] <CaptHindsight> anyone going to Amerimold tomorrow or Thursday?
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[13:49:42] <skunkworks> lair82: just to be sure I would do .025...
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[14:04:12] <lair82> skunkworks, I put the .025 and .200 in my INI, restarted, for the .025 move, I am getting between .0235 and .025, for the .200 move I am getting between .199 and .200
[14:05:09] <lair82> skunkworks, and yes, 1 rev of the screw is .200 thou,
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[14:06:15] <skunkworks> so tuning.. ;)
[14:07:42] <lair82> Was I right about the output scale that it scales the voltage out to the drive, and that I want 1:1 command, so I should have a 1 in that entry?
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[14:34:42] <lair82> skunkworks, I have been going over Johns tutorial, and have it looking like this, how do I get rid of the balance of the error during the cruise, it seems that FF1 isn't doing much more than this to get rid of it.
[14:35:27] <lair82> http://postimg.org/image/da4x4jy6d/
[14:38:05] <cradek> ferror looks small, but it's very zoomed out
[14:38:14] <cradek> looks like you sure have some oscillation during cruise
[14:38:20] <cradek> what does it sound like?
[14:38:55] <cradek> sound/feel
[14:39:11] <cradek> do you feel the oscillation when you put your hand on it?
[14:40:17] <cradek> is it really 12 inch/sec?
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[14:44:55] <lair82_> I keep losing network connection at the m achine,
[14:45:59] <lair82_> It shows about 6-7 thou ferror, at the bottom of the halscope, it feels like crap, sounds like crap, it should be 60 IPM, that is what my jog is set at.
[14:47:00] <lair82_> Out of curiosity, how did you decipher 12 IPS from the scope?
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[14:51:36] <lair82_> cradek, The vibration is really magnified by the time it gets to the Control pendant, as well, so I can tell just by that, somethings not right,
[14:53:57] <lair82_> I set all tuning values to zero, and started incrementing P until it oscillated after a jog, which was at 18, I then went down 1 at a time till it stopped, it stopped and stabilized at 15. Then I started on the FF1, and it is best with a value of 0.0005, but I can't get it any better,
[14:55:37] <lair82_> I haven't seen or heard anything worthwhile in regards to the at_pid component, but would it even get me in the ballpark to just need fine tuning?
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[15:10:20] <cradek> lair82_: the green plot is about .6 div tall on average, .6 * 20 is 12
[15:10:48] <cradek> if it's actually moving 1 ips, that's pretty wrong
[15:11:16] <cradek> lair82_: FF1 won't fix the oscillation, but D probably will
[15:11:29] <cradek> but truly, check your scaling first
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[15:13:59] <pcw_home> lair82_: something is really broken in those plots
[15:14:00] <pcw_home> To check resolver issues you need to check steps closer than 100 mill ( 180 degree ) points
[15:14:02] <pcw_home> probably no larger than 25 mill steps ( 45 degrees )
[15:14:47] <cradek> pcw_home: oh you think the feedback is just completely wrong?
[15:14:57] <pcw_home> also if the analog output is scaled in machine units, FF1 should be close to 1
[15:16:02] <pcw_home> Ive seen similar if the 7I49 input is overloaded (so clips) your nice sine/cosine circle becomes a square
[15:16:06] <cradek> yes if you scale it right, a pid output of 1 gives you around 1 ips
[15:17:18] <pcw_home> Its easier to help with PID tuning if the scaling is right since inch and mm machines have similar PID values
[15:17:41] <cradek> ok so he should back up even one more step: make sure position feedback is working sanely
[15:17:45] <pcw_home> (and initial FF1 can be guessed as 1)
[15:18:48] <pcw_home> I would do that first (the 25 mill steps measure with a dial lindicator)
[15:19:08] <cradek> or, with amps off, plot resolver position, manually give a screw a turn, or if it's possible, give an axis a shove
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[15:19:46] <pcw_home> also moves at different speeds can discriminate between oscillations and periodic sensor errors
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[15:30:32] <cradek> lair82: jeez get a wire
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[15:43:01] <ssi> lol
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[15:50:28] <ssi> http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/6/8741143/robots-falling-down-during-darpa-robotics-challenge
[15:51:02] <lair82> The bad thing is, I'm at my desk, on a wire, and some BS adware just crashed my whole PC,
[15:52:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/IKEGAI-TNC-125S-CNC-LATHE-B31555-/361005810876 I only need one with 25ft center to center and hold 5ft dia. parts
[15:53:30] <ssi> yeah cause 8' swing is just a smidge overkill
[15:53:45] <ssi> that machine could swing my lathe
[15:53:50] <ssi> sideways
[15:53:50] <CaptHindsight> heh
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[15:54:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HWACHEON-MEGA-100X6000-CNC-LATHE-2008-236-CC-10-HOLE-31-1-2-Chk-HANDWHEELS-/231365315010
[15:54:48] <CaptHindsight> 5ft too short
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[15:55:00] <_methods> that's a beast
[15:55:46] <_methods> the tailstock is bigger than those vmc's in teh background
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[15:56:43] <lair82> pcw_home cradek, This morning I did just .025" commands, at 60 IPM and it was giving me a .0235-.025 move on my indicator
[15:56:47] <CaptHindsight> need 32 rpm
[15:56:52] <ssi> I wonder what that big green bastard weighs
[15:56:57] <ssi> the max WORKPIECE weight is 154klb
[15:57:30] <ssi> 443hp
[15:57:31] <zeeshan|2> non slant bed
[15:57:32] <zeeshan|2> no want
[15:57:34] <ssi> lol
[15:57:52] <zeeshan|2> thats a bit less than the rx7!
[15:58:01] <zeeshan|2> boss status
[15:58:12] <ssi> about what my 2.0l VW made :P
[15:58:19] <CaptHindsight> Approximate Machine Weight 140 Ton
[15:58:30] <zeeshan|2> yea i wouldnt be approximating weight
[15:58:34] <zeeshan|2> at that level
[15:58:37] <pcw_home> assuming your tuning is close (sufficent P) a 1.5 mill static error is pretty large
[15:58:38] <zeeshan|2> you need some proper equipment to move that
[15:58:42] <CaptHindsight> http://shubmachinery.com/machine/ikegai-tnc-125s-cnc-4-way-bed-heavy-duty-lathe/
[15:58:56] <ssi> zeeshan|2: nah who needs a rigger
[15:59:01] <ssi> I'll rent a truck and a crane it'll be fine
[15:59:03] <ssi> what could go wrong
[15:59:05] <zeeshan|2> :D
[15:59:36] <pcw_home> lair82: was this problem always there or did it just start?
[15:59:55] <lair82> I have 15 in the P value, at 18 it started oscillating
[15:59:59] <archivist> last time I moved a big one it splits in two to make it easy,
[16:00:07] <CaptHindsight> how many helium balloons are required to lift it?
[16:00:40] <lair82> It looks like its always been there, based off of the finish in the bores on the test pieces we were running friday
[16:01:27] <archivist> CaptHindsight, we moved this on a normal 40 ton truck http://www.claymills.org.uk/tour/p1010345.jpg
[16:01:36] <CaptHindsight> I wonder what the accuracy is
[16:01:59] <archivist> to a chalk mark
[16:02:08] <CaptHindsight> archivist: yeah, not a problem if you know what you are doing
[16:02:34] <CaptHindsight> this will be the worlds biggest inkjet
[16:02:45] <archivist> I help turn a wooden pattern on it, entertaining
[16:04:19] <archivist> original image http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2001/2001_09_27_Claymills_Open_Day/P1010345.JPG
[16:06:52] <pcw_home> lair82: I would measure the sine/cosine AC voltages at the 7I49 inputs. my guess is its still overloaded
[16:06:53] <pcw_home> (or there's a mechnical or motor ( brush? ) issue of some kind
[16:07:08] <ssi> lair82: I take it you have no scope?
[16:09:48] <lair82> nope, just my fluke 179 meter
[16:11:06] <lair82> Been thinking about getting one, guess I need to think harder.
[16:11:59] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/Rigol-DS1102E-Oscilloscope-Channels-Sampling/dp/B001VKCJ0M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1434471108&sr=8-2&keywords=oscilloscope
[16:12:02] <ssi> overnight
[16:13:11] <pcw_home> The fluke will do though
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[16:29:57] <lair82> pcw_home, I tried to check the voltages yesterday, and I was getting around 2.1 volts across the resolver drive +/- pins, but could not get an accurate voltage on the sine/cosine inputs. While the resolver is rotating, regardless of speed, I should be getting the same voltage back in, correct?
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[16:34:45] <pcw_home> If you have 2.1V across the resolver rotor on channels 3,4 or 5 you must have the 7I49 jumpered for 2:1 resolvers rather than 1:1
[16:35:40] <pcw_home> (if you dont have a scope, you need to measure the sine/cosine voltages with the axis stopped)
[16:40:02] <ssi> god these rigol scopes are actually really nice
[16:40:07] <ssi> looking at the DS1054Z now, the newer one
[16:40:13] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/Rigol-DS1054Z/dp/B00N222I6C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1434471394&sr=8-1&keywords=rigol+DS1054Z
[16:41:12] <lair82> I just went out and looked, 2.1MV DC on the drive pins, W2 Jumper is down,
[16:42:03] <Connor> I just picked up a Tektronix 475 O-Scope for $50.00 yesterday.
[16:42:33] <lair82> pcw_home, I show .9-1.0 MV on the #0 and #1 resolver connector drive pins.
[16:42:48] <pcw_home> ACV is what we want
[16:42:59] <pcw_home> not DC
[16:43:05] <lair82> OOOOHHHHHHH, be right back
[16:43:24] <Rab> Connor, nice scope! Top end of a classic line.
[16:44:05] <Connor> Took a gamble.. it was at a thrift store. It powers up and shows shows a dot in the middle of the screen..
[16:44:14] <ssi> is it in X/Y mode?
[16:44:16] <Connor> Didn't have a source to hook up to it.
[16:44:30] <jdh> I sold my 465b and bought a cheap chinese one
[16:44:35] <Rab> Connor, there should be an internal probe calibration source.
[16:44:55] <Connor> Yea.. kinda hard to figure out in the thrift store.. I'll play with it later tonight.
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[16:45:18] <Rab> Yep, the little "handle" to the bottom right of the screen.
[16:45:36] <Connor> yea. I saw it.
[16:45:52] <jdh> a probe helps for that also
[16:46:06] <Connor> It had all the probes and stuff
[16:46:16] <Connor> In a pouch on top of the unit.
[16:46:46] <Connor> http://thestuffwebuild.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/DSC_0077.jpg
[16:46:49] <Connor> just like that.
[16:47:19] <lair82_> pcw-home, 1.02 VAC on the drive, 1.17VAC on cosine, and 500 MVAC on the sine
[16:47:21] <cradek> how are 465 and 475 different?
[16:47:44] <Rab> 100MHz vs 200MHz IIRC.
[16:47:47] <cradek> ahh
[16:48:24] <Connor> http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/usedequipment/tektronix/oscilloscopes/tek465seriesspecs.htm
[16:48:33] <cradek> I really like my 2232
[16:48:49] <lair82_> mispelled pcw_home, 1.02 VAC on the drive, 1.17VAC on cosine, and 500 MVAC on the sine
[16:49:03] <cradek> it has a bit of digital storage, but if you don't need storage mode it's a full normal analog scope with no digital stuff in the way
[16:49:17] <cradek> it's the best of every world
[16:51:23] <ssi> I have a similar scope
[16:51:27] <ssi> also a tds420 and tds340
[16:51:32] <ssi> and I'm ordering that rigol 1054z now
[16:52:18] <Connor> I have a Parallax USB Oscilloscope too
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[16:54:50] <pcw_home> lair82_ thats 1.27v RMS so overloads the 7I49 inputs slightly
[16:56:05] <lair82_> How did you get 1.27?
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[16:56:15] <pcw_home> so your resolvers have a greater than 1:1 ratio
[16:56:35] <lair82_> And I guess what is a possible solution?
[16:56:50] <lair82_> New Resolvers
[16:56:54] <pcw_home> sqrt (0.5^2 _ 1.17^2)
[16:57:15] <pcw_home> sqrt (0.5^2 + 1.17^2)
[16:57:37] <pcw_home> Either a 7I49HV or a couple resistors
[17:01:22] <lair82_> I have a bag of these, http://www.newark.com/nte-electronics/hw310/resistor-10kohm-500mw-2-axial/dp/33C4880?ost=hw310 will they work?
[17:02:07] <pcw_home> also fixable with new firmware if I had half a day free (which I dont)
[17:03:33] <pcw_home> No you would need say a 50 and a 100 ohm resistor to divide the resolver exitation voltage
[17:04:47] <pcw_home> you might be able to just use a series resisitor in the drive but thats likely in the 50 to 300 ohm range
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[17:08:37] <lair82_> So wire the resistor in, in series with the resolver drive positive wire?
[17:09:43] <lair82_> pcw_home, what is the limit then on the voltage?
[17:11:13] <pcw_home> maximum input voltage in sine and cosine is 1V RMS (2.8V P-P)
[17:11:23] <cradek> be aware you can rotate it so one output is zero, and then you only have one thing to measure as you adjust your resistors
[17:11:51] <pcw_home> Yes or use the magic math
[17:13:08] <pcw_home> I _should_ add startup AGC to the resolver firmware sigh...
[17:16:35] <lair82_> pcw_home what is the availability of the7i49HV?
[17:16:48] <lair82_> I don't see it on the website
[17:18:58] <pcw_home> I think we made them specifically for CHNCs ( some of which have 1:2 resolvers)
[17:19:12] <ssi> yeah I used one on my HNC
[17:20:08] <pcw_home> we have at least 10 or so in stock
[17:20:36] <ssi> pcw_home: I should have my 7i90 and 8i20 this week... I'll likely need some guidance coming up with a firmware for the 7i90 for commutation conversion
[17:21:04] <lair82_> I don't mind going with the resistors, just knowing how to put them in, and what resistance
[17:21:53] <CaptHindsight> https://www.surplusrecord.com/listphotos/874497.jpg 108" x 360" Putnam lathe
[17:22:27] <CaptHindsight> _methods: ever use a Hankook Lathe? http://www.hankookamerica.com/dynaturn-2026/
[17:22:36] <lair82_> pcw_home what power rating would suffice?
[17:23:16] <pcw_home> lair82_ I wouldget a 47 ohm, 100 ohm , 220 ohm and 330 ohm and try them in series with the resolver drive (makes no difference which side)
[17:23:24] <pcw_home> 1/4w is fine
[17:23:47] <pcw_home> a 1K pot could be used also
[17:24:53] <pcw_home> I really should fix the firmware so it at least works when the resolver is not right (not optimally but overloading is bad)
[17:26:31] <pcw_home> (as you have noticed)
[17:26:38] <lair82_> Its not an issue, the data off of the resolvers was marginal at best, we were shooting from the hip, we just never manage to hit the target, and now I know how to check them, to see if they are compatible
[17:27:29] <pcw_home> yeah the 7I49H woudl have just worked
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[17:35:16] <_methods> CaptHindsight: no i've never used them before
[17:35:49] <_methods> only really big cnc lathe i've ever used is a Fagor
[17:36:06] <_methods> you really in the market for a lathe that size?
[17:36:32] <_methods> poreba is kinda the game to beat in machines that size
[17:36:44] <_methods> they pretty much dominate the large market
[17:37:11] <_methods> they're like okuma in the regular sized machine world
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[17:43:28] <lair82_> pcw_home, just ordered a variety of resistors, be a day or so from Newark, see what kind of trouble I can get into when they come in.
[17:43:50] <lair82_> At least I know a starting point of whats wrong.
[17:44:30] <lair82_> Do you think I still need to re-tune the machine, or start with what I had originally?
[17:46:40] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I need it for the bed, carriage, head and tailstock
[17:47:06] <_methods> wtf you up to?
[17:47:20] <CaptHindsight> worlds largest hybrid inkjet 3D printer
[17:47:29] <pcw_home> The tuning process shoud be easier when you are not fighting periodic sensor errors
[17:48:09] <pcw_home> Chuck up that Toyota and have at it
[17:48:55] <_methods> you going to turn it into a VTL lol
[17:48:59] <_methods> VTL 3d printer
[17:49:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2015/03/02/forbes-billionaires-full-list-of-the-500-richest-people-in-the-world-2015/
[17:49:36] <SpeedEvil> 21. Georg Schaeffler
[17:49:36] <SpeedEvil> Net Worth: $26.9 B
[17:49:36] <SpeedEvil> Source of wealth: ball bearings
[17:50:30] <ssi> http://www.tampabay.com/resources/images/blogs/80s/53342.jpg
[17:50:33] <ssi> it's all ball bearings these days
[17:51:30] <CaptHindsight> _methods: it's horizontal
[17:54:53] <_methods> horizontal 3d printer?
[17:58:04] <CaptHindsight> _methods: prints cylindrical parts
[17:58:31] <CaptHindsight> 7.5m long by 1.5m dia , 6 tons
[18:04:09] <_methods> triple comma baby
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[18:28:38] * Loetmichel2 thinks the green on the balcony gets slightly out of hand... wife seems to have quite a "green thumb" ... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15835
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[18:47:08] <CaptHindsight> _methods: just spoke to the Poreba guys, they seemed the most apathetic
[18:49:21] <_methods> yeah usually the big guys are
[18:49:33] <_methods> try and get the okuma guys to come talk to you about 1 machine lol
[18:49:43] <_methods> if you want to buy 20 they'll be right orver
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[18:50:29] <CaptHindsight> I'm looking for one now with more to follow
[18:50:55] <Computer_barf> loetmichel2: any of those edible plants?
[18:51:00] <CaptHindsight> 8m x 1.5m, next 10 might be 2m x 1m
[18:51:16] <Computer_barf> i can only ever relate to growing things that produce something for me
[18:51:46] <CaptHindsight> what baffles everyone is how I don't want and can't use their Fanuc or Seimens controls
[18:51:49] <_methods> well the most aggressive sales guys are usually haas
[18:52:01] <_methods> they'll take you out for snow cones if you say the word haas
[18:52:04] <CaptHindsight> I didn't Haas going that large
[18:52:11] <_methods> they do but i'd never buy one
[18:52:12] <CaptHindsight> but I'm making the usual calls
[18:52:22] <_methods> we bought a haas horizontal that get sent back
[18:52:38] <_methods> i wouldn't buy a haas unless i was just machining plastic or something like that
[18:52:41] <_methods> fudge
[18:52:42] <CaptHindsight> but I do enjoy the "know it all" attitudes of some of the salespeople
[18:52:59] <_methods> doosan i thinkis the best bang for the buck
[18:53:03] <CaptHindsight> and then they become speechless when I tell them how we use it
[18:53:07] <_methods> they make great machines at great prices
[18:53:53] <CaptHindsight> the cutting tool is replaced by 25,000 nozzles with 8 bit resolution each firing up to 40,000 second
[18:54:06] <_methods> but money is no object is DMG/mori, Okuma
[18:54:13] <_methods> and poreba
[18:54:18] <_methods> for that large stuff
[18:54:18] <CaptHindsight> "oh yeah, I guess a Fanuc can't do that"
[18:54:30] <ssi> lol
[18:55:00] <_methods> well i don't think you'll find many large lathes that sized geared for that kind of super precision
[18:55:12] <CaptHindsight> Hankook
[18:55:17] <_methods> since you're really not using the machine in it's intended application
[18:55:47] <CaptHindsight> Toolmex
[18:55:56] <_methods> you'd probably be much better off desinging something specific to you
[18:56:15] <CaptHindsight> they hold 0.001" over 25ft
[18:56:44] <CaptHindsight> I found a dealer with one machine in stock
[18:56:46] <_methods> well the poreba should hold that all day
[18:57:07] <CaptHindsight> actually it's even bigger
[18:57:28] <_methods> toolmex makes machines?
[18:57:36] <_methods> i just thought they sold cheap tools lol
[18:58:45] <CaptHindsight> it's a waste of motors but a linear servo and laser can track the surface and adjust the distance of the nozzles
[18:58:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.toolmex.com/cb-Machines/TV115.aspx
[18:58:59] <_methods> yeah i'm checkin them out now
[18:59:02] <CaptHindsight> TUR4MN European Built 4-Way Step-Bed Lathes Up to 78" swing over bed x 630" BC and 140 HP
[18:59:23] <_methods> yeah i'm pretty sure it's a rebadged fagor
[18:59:44] <CaptHindsight> I'll find out soon enough
[19:00:06] <CaptHindsight> the nice thing about Chicago is that most have a sales office here
[19:00:28] <_methods> ahh i think they are polamco
[19:01:45] <_methods> i guess they're pretty good lathes
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[19:01:59] <_methods> comparable to porebas
[19:03:14] <CaptHindsight> Okuma doesn't seem to go big enough
[19:03:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.okuma.com/multus-b750?ms=1&ms_query=s%3A97%3A%22category%3D4925%26m%3D0%26Chuck%2BSize%2B%28in%29%3D%26Turn%2BDiameter%2B%28in%29%3D%26Turning%2BLength%2B%28in%29%3D257%26Bar%2BDiameter%2B%28in%29%3D%22%3B
[19:03:49] <_methods> you'll probably have to call them on a machien that size
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[19:18:24] <CaptHindsight> _methods: they all have broken voicemail
[19:18:36] <CaptHindsight> 13 calls to find someone
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[19:26:38] <Computer_barf> making french onion soup
[19:27:11] <Computer_barf> drinking homebrewed hard cider
[19:27:28] <Computer_barf> cncing some hooks with my mill
[19:32:43] <_methods> ah good so you got it to post good enough to get up and running?
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[19:33:24] <Computer_barf> yeah
[19:33:46] <Computer_barf> it still raises up a bit before it starts, but then goes back to home
[19:33:52] <Computer_barf> but i can remove that manually if need be
[19:34:09] <Computer_barf> at least its no longer wanting to run past the top of z
[19:34:22] <Computer_barf> probably has something to do with settings in solidcam
[19:34:57] <_methods> yes it will probably be your "approach/safe" height
[19:35:00] <_methods> or something like that
[19:35:01] <Computer_barf> thanks for all the help btw
[19:35:04] <_methods> np
[19:35:18] <_methods> i don't have solidcam so i'm not sure where that setting will be
[19:37:54] <_methods> ahh tool start level
[19:38:15] <_methods> in the coordsys data toolbox
[19:39:11] <_methods> looks like that toolbox is in your part setup area
[19:39:17] <_methods> part definition
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[19:41:56] <furrywolf> I really need to find+learn cad+cam...
[19:42:06] <ssi> you and me both
[19:42:35] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:42:37] <furrywolf> ssi: I might be in a position to buy a 7i76e in a couple weeks... got some on hand?
[19:42:41] <XXCoder> me too
[19:43:07] <ssi> no I don't have any 7i76es
[19:43:11] <furrywolf> it annoys me much when zee thinks of something, then 2 minutes later has a completely rendered and FEAed model of it. :P
[19:43:41] <XXCoder> hes definitely expert on that part yeah
[19:43:42] <furrywolf> going to have some in stock soon?
[19:45:41] <furrywolf> is there anything I'll need to purchase to use it? from what I can gather rtfming, I just need to hook up my 24v supply, stepper drivers, and switches, and it magically works.
[19:45:46] <ssi> what do I look like, the mesa store? :P
[19:46:38] <XXCoder> what, you arent??
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[19:46:41] <furrywolf> hrmm, for some reason I thought you worked with them. I'll bug pcw. :P
[19:46:45] <ssi> :)
[19:46:53] <ssi> nope, I'm just an unapologetic fanboy
[19:47:03] * furrywolf has lost track of how many people here are employed there. :P
[19:47:11] <ssi> pcw is the only one I'm aware of
[19:48:34] <alex4nder> furrywolf: I just setup a 7i76e.. it was stupid-simple
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[19:49:24] <XXCoder> wow stupidest web design I ever seen
[19:49:31] <ffurrywol> I hate my connection.,
[19:49:32] <XXCoder> https://www.fairphone.com/phone/
[19:49:41] <alex4nder> ffurrywol: I just setup a 7i76e.. it was stupid-simple
[19:50:00] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: very similar to 7i77
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[19:50:07] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: nasa.gov
[19:50:08] <zeeshan|2> just read through the manual quickly
[19:50:13] <zeeshan|2> two ways to blow it up
[19:50:15] <zeeshan|2> having the jumpers wrong
[19:50:23] <zeeshan|2> and putting 24vdc where it's not supposed to go :P
[19:50:25] <ffurrywol> XXCoder: all I get is a box saying "Hmm… this seems to be taking too long" LOL
[19:50:25] <zeeshan|2> 3 ways
[19:50:29] <zeeshan|2> reverse polarity on the enable
[19:50:44] <PetefromTn_> hey folks
[19:50:48] <zeeshan|2> hi
[19:50:48] <ssi> hey pete
[19:50:53] <_methods> wow
[19:50:54] <XXCoder> ffurrywol: it takes 2 minutes to load on my site. website-wise speaking, insanely long
[19:50:55] <PetefromTn_> howzitgoin?
[19:50:56] <_methods> long time no see
[19:50:59] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: teach me to machine 304 SS
[19:51:06] <XXCoder> hey PetefromTn_
[19:51:16] <PetefromTn_> I will if you tell me what I should order to make some exhaust flanges!
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[19:51:27] <zeeshan|2> haha
[19:51:29] <PetefromTn_> I got a guy local here that wants a buncha them
[19:51:29] <zeeshan|2> for what?
[19:51:32] <ffurrywol> is it open enough to run a non-android linux distro?
[19:51:39] <PetefromTn_> just mild steel I guess?
[19:51:54] <ffurrywol> yes
[19:51:58] <ssi> ffurrywol: the 7i76e?
[19:52:09] <ffurrywol> no, the fairphone xxcoder pasted
[19:52:10] <ssi> it's just an fpga... you're not gonna run a linux distro on it
[19:52:12] <ssi> oh
[19:52:21] <zeeshan|2> i use mild steel flanges
[19:52:23] <PetefromTn_> I would think cold rolled would warp when tig welded pretty good
[19:52:24] <zeeshan|2> they won't warp in service
[19:52:27] <XXCoder> good question, fur.
[19:52:33] <ffurrywol> are you sure you can't run linux on it? you can get downloadable fpga arm cores... :P
[19:52:34] <zeeshan|2> use hot roll
[19:52:46] <PetefromTn_> is that what you did just machined hot roll?
[19:52:51] <zeeshan|2> yes
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[19:52:57] <PetefromTn_> sweet nice and cheap
[19:53:01] <ssi> might be tractable, but not practical
[19:53:05] <XXCoder> ffurrywol: techinically though its already linux, android runs on linux
[19:53:14] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: i tried to make them out of 304 stainless
[19:53:25] <zeeshan|2> but i broke 2 3/8" tialn carbide end mills
[19:53:26] <zeeshan|2> yg1
[19:53:27] <ffurrywol> XXCoder: yes, which is why I specified "non-android linux", rather than just "linux".
[19:53:27] <zeeshan|2> gave up
[19:53:35] <PetefromTn_> damn I like those
[19:53:35] <zeeshan|2> i was clearly doing something wrong
[19:53:49] <zeeshan|2> that is why i need to know the exact parameters to machine it at
[19:53:52] <PetefromTn_> looking at like 30 or so of them
[19:53:52] <XXCoder> oh yea you did say that
[19:53:54] <zeeshan|2> cause it's silly sensitive to failure
[19:54:00] <XXCoder> sorry woke up short time ago lol
[19:54:18] <ssi> PetefromTn_: the guy that makes exhausts for RVs uses 321 tubing and 304 flanges
[19:54:22] <PetefromTn_> didja just buy flat bar or plate and cut it?
[19:54:23] <ffurrywol> android generally has a heavy dependency of binary blobs, something I do not like in my linux.
[19:54:46] <ffurrywol> waterjet the stainless?
[19:54:53] <PetefromTn_> sweet man I suppose you don't want rust in your airplane exhaust LOL
[19:55:07] <ssi> plenty of them are mild, but the stainless ones are nice
[19:55:25] <PetefromTn_> this guy wants mild steel so hot rolled it is I guess...
[19:55:35] <PetefromTn_> working on the drawing now...
[19:55:40] <_methods> how thick?
[19:55:42] <zeeshan|2> what car?
[19:55:49] <PetefromTn_> 1/2 inch
[19:56:00] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan it's a secret ;)
[19:56:04] <_methods> od/id?
[19:56:09] <zeeshan|2> i migght have drawing for u already
[19:56:09] <ffurrywol> there's an airplane at the local field that looks like it should be pretty damn cheap... it's been sitting for at least 6 years, the tires are all flat, the tarp they had over it shredded years ago, and now it has a healthy layer of moss... one of these days I should ask who owns it, and ask if they want it gone. :P
[19:56:13] <zeeshan|2> i have like 90+ flange drawings
[19:56:17] <zeeshan|2> for diff engines
[19:56:18] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah
[19:56:19] <PetefromTn_> nice
[19:56:36] <ssi> ffurrywol: the reason planes like that stay derelict is because it'll cost more to get them airworthy than they're worth, by a large margin
[19:56:44] <PetefromTn_> this is gonna be for the 2 and 3 rotor RX7's
[19:56:48] <zeeshan|2> 4g69, 13b, 4g63/4g64, lq9, sbc,
[19:56:54] <zeeshan|2> i has for 13b!
[19:56:57] <zeeshan|2> no 3 rotor though
[19:57:01] <zeeshan|2> i can send, save you some time
[19:57:04] <PetefromTn_> sweet
[19:57:05] <_methods> you just going to saw blanks and face/bore?
[19:57:07] <PetefromTn_> thanks dude
[19:57:15] <PetefromTn_> probably
[19:57:31] <PetefromTn_> decked on both sides and drilled/ tapered bore
[19:57:39] <ffurrywol> ssi: I live in an area where vehicles are considered roadworthy if they use more gasoline than oil and have at least 3/4 of their tires.... planes are the same, right? :P
[19:57:39] * ffurrywol hides
[19:57:48] <PetefromTn_> they are also wanting them engraved
[19:57:49] ffurrywol is now known as fluffywolf
[19:57:50] fluffywolf is now known as furrywolf
[19:57:54] <_methods> ah fun
[19:57:57] <ssi> sure so long as you don't mind violating the FARs
[19:58:12] <PetefromTn_> relieved on back too
[19:58:26] <PetefromTn_> so definitely two sides and needing fixturing
[19:58:31] <_methods> your lathe up?
[19:58:37] <PetefromTn_> SHIT NO!
[19:58:40] <_methods> ugh
[19:58:47] <zeeshan|2> you need 6" flat bar
[19:58:49] <zeeshan|2> 9" long
[19:58:50] <PetefromTn_> working on it tho
[19:58:52] <zeeshan|2> for 2 rotor
[19:58:53] <PetefromTn_> yup
[19:59:05] <PetefromTn_> I got 5.893
[19:59:11] <zeeshan|2> yes
[19:59:24] <PetefromTn_> have you made any?
[19:59:32] <zeeshan|2> yes
[19:59:36] <zeeshan|2> thats pretty close pete
[19:59:37] <PetefromTn_> PICS!!
[19:59:40] <zeeshan|2> i have 5.860
[19:59:59] <PetefromTn_> actually I measured another flange they bought from someone else
[20:00:19] <PetefromTn_> so I need to compare to the exhaust manifold I have here to go from
[20:00:26] <furrywolf> I was thinking of making fancy headers for my truck, then I found someone with a stock exhaust manifold, and decided that was much, much easier.
[20:00:27] <zeeshan|2> whats your email
[20:00:56] <zeeshan|2> can you open stl
[20:01:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah
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[20:01:14] <furrywolf> I still haven't gotten around to putting it on, though... need to fill my torch tanks to get the nuts off.
[20:01:16] <PetefromTn_> a simple .dxf is fine tho
[20:01:16] <zeeshan|2> i think stp might be better
[20:01:20] <zeeshan|2> oh
[20:01:28] <PetefromTn_> dead simple part
[20:02:09] <PetefromTn_> listenin' to Norah Jones on the Onkyo wile the machine is running.... beautiful!!
[20:02:34] <PetefromTn_> the voice of an angel literally..
[20:03:26] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 Hey man I told them about your bored TB
[20:03:54] <PetefromTn_> Thanks man!!
[20:04:05] <zeeshan|2> np
[20:04:12] <zeeshan|2> the port is made for 2" schedule 40 pipe
[20:04:19] <PetefromTn_> gotcha
[20:04:24] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: make them give you tb's to port
[20:04:25] <PetefromTn_> I will check with them on the diameter
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[20:04:46] <PetefromTn_> They actually wanted to know if I could design and machine a big bore TB custom from scratch
[20:04:55] <PetefromTn_> never made one before
[20:04:59] <zeeshan|2> ooo
[20:05:01] <furrywolf> I need a catback for my subie, but that needs bending, not machining.
[20:05:02] <zeeshan|2> that'd be a sweet project
[20:05:08] <PetefromTn_> yeah it would..
[20:05:18] <zeeshan|2> those go for about 400-500bux
[20:05:18] <PetefromTn_> I need to get a decent boring head
[20:05:20] <zeeshan|2> usd
[20:06:06] <PetefromTn_> was gonna beg borrow and steal that sick sweet antique one from someone on here ;)
[20:06:38] <PetefromTn_> I have been working on some cool stuff with those guys lately...
[20:06:51] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/turbo1-1.jpg
[20:06:56] <zeeshan|2> that was the stainless one i did for my car
[20:06:59] <zeeshan|2> (will never do it again)
[20:07:00] <PetefromTn_> they are working on a hopefully 1k HP three rotor build right now... It's a sickass monster....
[20:07:25] <zeeshan|2> nice
[20:07:49] <PetefromTn_> I gotta say that the big HP rotary motors sound frackin' sick and give me a woodie LOL
[20:08:11] <zeeshan|2> i really wanna own a plasma cutter for flanges
[20:08:20] <ssi> zeeshan|2: come use mine
[20:08:21] <zeeshan|2> it took me too long to make these
[20:08:25] <PetefromTn_> they had a customers three rotor in there the other day and doing some dyno tuning...
[20:08:30] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/tiN7adw.jpg
[20:08:33] <zeeshan|2> estimate the time that took
[20:08:41] <zeeshan|2> using 3/8 4flute
[20:09:06] <PetefromTn_> sounds like a formula one car or something on full boost....
[20:09:07] <zeeshan|2> ssi we're building one right now :P
[20:09:23] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: these guys must be really good
[20:09:25] <zeeshan|2> if they're building 3 rotors
[20:09:29] <zeeshan|2> those arent cheap
[20:09:32] <PetefromTn_> they are not messing around...
[20:09:40] <furrywolf> good and rich aren't always related.
[20:09:53] <furrywolf> I've seen total idiots throw lots of money at car parts.
[20:10:02] <furrywolf> we call them "growers" :P
[20:10:03] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: 3 rotors arent cheap
[20:10:08] <PetefromTn_> that one had a MILD tune and only made 770hp which is what the customer wanted
[20:10:09] <zeeshan|2> and they are sweet
[20:10:13] <zeeshan|2> they can easily make 650 hp
[20:10:23] <zeeshan|2> at like 14psi with a gt42r
[20:10:36] <zeeshan|2> and last about 20,000 miles
[20:10:37] <zeeshan|2> :)
[20:10:40] <PetefromTn_> the one they are custom building now is a shop car and they want a 1k pump gas car...we'll see..
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[20:12:43] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: have you milled 304
[20:12:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[20:12:51] <zeeshan|2> like made something completely out ofit
[20:13:02] <zeeshan|2> say from a block of 2"x4"x4" billet
[20:13:04] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean
[20:13:16] <zeeshan|2> okay lemme talk about that flange
[20:13:21] <zeeshan|2> so i was machining that exact flange out of stainless
[20:13:29] <PetefromTn_> well I have machined some flanges and some plate stock and also made my little flycutter LOL
[20:13:31] <zeeshan|2> doing .125" doc, .375 width of cut
[20:13:45] <zeeshan|2> 0.0015 ipt , 300sfm
[20:14:03] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/Jr6ZNXS.jpg
[20:14:07] <zeeshan|2> and i broke the end mill when circular interpolating to make the bores
[20:14:10] <zeeshan|2> then i broke one doing a contour
[20:14:16] <JT-Shop> if you were computer challenged and had only windoze what IRC software would you use
[20:14:23] <zeeshan|2> mirc
[20:14:24] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: hexchat
[20:14:41] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: wtf
[20:14:44] <zeeshan|2> is that a custom machined rotor?
[20:14:44] <zeeshan|2> is that a custom machined rotor?
[20:14:44] <zeeshan|2> is that a custom machined rotor?
[20:14:48] <XXCoder> easy to port to linux too since hexchat exists in there too
[20:14:55] <PetefromTn_> I'm TOTALLY computer challenged and using andchat
[20:15:01] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 YUP!
[20:15:03] <_methods> JT-Shop: kiwiirc
[20:15:04] <zeeshan|2> WOW
[20:15:04] <zeeshan|2> nice
[20:15:07] <zeeshan|2> that must be $$$$$
[20:15:11] <PetefromTn_> very
[20:15:16] <ssi> are tehy heat treating after machining?
[20:15:17] <zeeshan|2> you did that?
[20:15:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah
[20:15:27] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: wankel?
[20:15:27] <zeeshan|2> nice dude
[20:15:34] <PetefromTn_> no heat treating necessary apparently
[20:15:48] <PetefromTn_> but they are getting them balanced as an assembly to 40krpm
[20:15:54] <zeeshan|2> no need for heat treating on the rotor
[20:15:55] <zeeshan|2> except gear
[20:15:58] <zeeshan|2> but that shit bolts on
[20:16:02] <JT-Shop> thanks
[20:16:06] <ssi> hm
[20:16:14] <ssi> what's the rotor made of?
[20:16:14] <zeeshan|2> youre thinking of the rotor housing ssi
[20:16:15] <PetefromTn_> they seem pretty tickled with them so far
[20:16:20] <zeeshan|2> aluminum
[20:16:23] <ssi> crazy
[20:16:27] <zeeshan|2> i think :P
[20:16:29] <PetefromTn_> these are cast
[20:16:31] <zeeshan|2> it's heavyu though
[20:16:59] <PetefromTn_> they have to be within 50 grams before they will balance them
[20:17:09] <PetefromTn_> so I try to get them what they need.
[20:17:15] <PetefromTn_> Doing a 3 rotor setup now....
[20:17:26] <PetefromTn_> ya like the little engraving?
[20:17:29] <zeeshan|2> yes
[20:17:30] <zeeshan|2> thats nice man
[20:17:35] <zeeshan|2> i also like the tool path marks
[20:17:37] <zeeshan|2> very nicely done
[20:17:42] <PetefromTn_> they are also clearanced
[20:17:43] <CaptHindsight> _methods: Toolmex Lathes are Haco FAT Lathes
[20:17:57] <PetefromTn_> thanks man it was a bitch to get it sorted
[20:18:08] <furrywolf> you made those rotors? you have substantially superior machining skills. :)
[20:18:12] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: you can share rotary stuff with me
[20:18:19] <zeeshan|2> i'll never touch a rotary again
[20:18:19] <zeeshan|2> haha
[20:18:25] <zeeshan|2> =]
[20:18:30] <PetefromTn_> screwed up two of them the first we went too deep and the next time I got the curvature wrong
[20:18:41] <PetefromTn_> no I did not make them
[20:18:50] <PetefromTn_> I just machined and lightened them and engraved them
[20:19:04] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: the stock rotor is flat there
[20:19:06] <PetefromTn_> they are stock rx7 Rotary motor rotors
[20:19:18] <furrywolf> ah
[20:19:23] <zeeshan|2> it looks nothing as good as pete's does
[20:19:24] <zeeshan|2> :D
[20:19:30] <PetefromTn_> we are removing something like 200 grams
[20:19:31] <furrywolf> in that case you only have somewhat superior machining skills. :P
[20:19:39] * furrywolf hides
[20:19:43] <CaptHindsight> _methods: http://imagebin.ca/v/25TBe3wUK6pC
[20:19:45] <PetefromTn_> shit I'm a hack with good friends
[20:20:04] <PetefromTn_> HOLY SMOKES!
[20:20:09] <PetefromTn_> that is a bigass CNC lathe
[20:20:25] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 I know you are over the rotary motors
[20:20:40] <PetefromTn_> but ya gotta admit DAMN they sound awesome when they are working right....
[20:20:40] <furrywolf> I really need to finish my machine... but everything is so expensive!
[20:20:45] <zeeshan|2> yes
[20:21:06] <XXCoder> PetefromTn_: is those for engine type called wankel or is there different name
[20:21:08] <furrywolf> dunno, I prefer the sound of the flat subaru motors.
[20:21:18] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: lol
[20:21:25] <furrywolf> XXCoder: yes, wankel
[20:21:30] <XXCoder> ok
[20:21:38] <zeeshan|2> honestly i love v8, flat and rotary anyday
[20:21:39] <zeeshan|2> noise wise
[20:21:40] <zeeshan|2> equally
[20:21:41] <PetefromTn_> It was funny I pulled out of their shop the other day and they pulled alongside me in their shop car and put the hammer down... FUUUUUCCCCKKKK does that thing sound amazing when it is leaving you nothing but taillights.
[20:21:48] <zeeshan|2> anything beats a 4 banger fart can
[20:21:49] <ssi> boost ----> ∆ ------> apex seals
[20:21:55] <zeeshan|2> inline
[20:21:58] <zeeshan|2> haha
[20:22:09] <CaptHindsight> _methods: http://imagebin.ca/v/25TCKDCv7u9O H FAT
[20:22:13] <_methods> yeah
[20:22:38] <furrywolf> zeeshan|2: you're a car person... how do I get more low-end torque out of my subaru ej22? I'm willing to sacrafice top-end for low-end.
[20:22:39] <_methods> big boy
[20:22:53] <PetefromTn_> There is a guy apparently nearby here that has a rotary big single turbo VW bug that is supposed to be stupid fast.
[20:23:08] <furrywolf> I miss my old engine with peak torque at 1800 rpm, that'll lug itself up a hill at idle...
[20:23:21] <PetefromTn_> I am still carless here LOL
[20:23:23] <furrywolf> the ej22 is way too revvy instead of torquey.
[20:23:34] <roycroft> furrywolf: put a diesel engine in it
[20:23:40] <Computer_barf> furrywolf: pm me
[20:23:56] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: easy
[20:23:59] <zeeshan|2> BOOOSTTTTTTTTTTTt
[20:24:05] <ssi> boost makes everything better
[20:24:09] <furrywolf> I found a place that regrinds cams, but the reviews of the actual improvement weren't great...
[20:24:16] <PetefromTn_> it sure can lol
[20:24:20] <roycroft> or go ev
[20:24:25] <ssi> zeeshan|2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh2nSy33unU
[20:24:32] <zeeshan|2> but kidding aside, you need more displacement
[20:24:37] <zeeshan|2> if you're really meaning low end
[20:24:38] <roycroft> then you'll have stupid high low rpm torque
[20:24:47] <zeeshan|2> low end is like 2000 rpm to me
[20:24:50] <zeeshan|2> rofl SSI
[20:24:54] <furrywolf> turbos suck at low rpm, and superchargers are a lot of work....
[20:24:58] <CaptHindsight> what does Siemens use for the input to their 50Hp SIMOTCS servo drives? 10V analog or some proprietary digital input?
[20:25:06] <ssi> my low end is like 1200rpm
[20:25:46] <zeeshan|2> something a rotary wont have
[20:25:55] <zeeshan|2> 500ft-lb at 1800 rpm
[20:25:59] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[20:26:02] <furrywolf> the old subaru motors were built for torque. they feel like an old v8. peak torque was 1800 rpm, and it was flat on both sides of that... new one peak torque is 4500ish. heh.
[20:27:51] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: is that due to the ECU programming or small vales ports and long narrow intake paths?
[20:29:12] <furrywolf> dunno
[20:29:23] <furrywolf> it's got close to twice the horses, it just don't have them where I want them.
[20:29:36] <zeeshan|2> nawz
[20:29:49] <furrywolf> it goes those skinny fast racing horses, while I want the heavy ones with big legs that pull farm implements. :P
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[20:30:03] <furrywolf> it has
[20:31:05] <ssi> that's why I drive diesel :P
[20:31:54] <CaptHindsight> Seimens Drive-CLIQ interface (eye roll)
[20:32:56] <CaptHindsight> https://www.industry.usa.siemens.com/drives/us/en/electric-drives/ac-drives/high-performance-and-servo-drives/drive-cliq-motor-drive-integration-system/Documents/DRV-Drive_CLiQ_Brochure.pdf
[20:33:03] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/9i3iE7h.jpg WANT!!
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[20:33:40] <furrywolf> http://sports-web.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Horse-Racing-663x320.jpg bad. http://www.moodogpress.com/wp-content/uploads/Terry-Joseph-and-team.jpg good. :P
[20:33:41] <zeeshan|2> furrywolf: did you use evapo-rust
[20:34:03] <furrywolf> I have used it in the past, yes.
[20:34:15] <furrywolf> ssi: unfortunately the subaru diesel is still ungodly expensive.
[20:34:25] <zeeshan|2> i wonder if i can neutralize the rust
[20:34:28] <zeeshan|2> on some of these tools
[20:34:30] <zeeshan|2> specifically pipe wrenches etc
[20:34:34] <zeeshan|2> they are really nice ones
[20:34:36] <zeeshan|2> worth saving
[20:34:54] <XXCoder> zeeshan|2: the answer is always yes, "is it still functional after?" is the question
[20:34:57] <furrywolf> if you strip the rust off a tool, you need to paint or oil it, or it'll ruin itself in days.
[20:35:04] <PCW> If it doesn't Cliq you're up the crick?
[20:35:06] <zeeshan|2> i use bosheild t9
[20:35:20] <PetefromTn_> boeshield
[20:35:24] <zeeshan|2> BOOOOOOOOOOO
[20:35:30] <SpeedEvil> neat phosphoric acid is nice
[20:35:30] <furrywolf> PetefromTn_: eh, I'm not too into lifted vehicles... my truck has 38.5" swampers with no lift. :)
[20:35:50] <PetefromTn_> love a good crawler
[20:36:11] <ssi> I have lots of lifted vehicles
[20:36:14] <furrywolf> the only thing that crawls is the mall parking lot. :P
[20:36:33] <ssi> but it's variable lift, from 0" to thousands of inches
[20:36:52] <ssi> tens of thousands of inches
[20:37:03] <furrywolf> my next set of tires will probably be 40"... that's the biggest my truck fits without lift or trimming.
[20:37:19] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUznH1w19o8
[20:37:41] <furrywolf> I've heard you can stick 44s under if you get wheel spacers so you don't hit the springs when turning.
[20:38:35] <furrywolf> 40 is about as large as I'd go on the stock axles, though... with my 5.88 axle gears you can get a lot of torque on those shafts. :)
[20:38:58] <furrywolf> (d70 rear, d60 front)
[20:39:55] <furrywolf> I hope to get my lockers installed this summer... bought an ARB from the front and a Detroit for the rear. open diffs and 1.5ton springs are a bad combo. way too easy to sit there with a diagonal pair of wheels in the air.
[20:39:58] <furrywolf> s/from/for
[20:40:53] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O76Mb0IACsk
[20:41:03] <furrywolf> zeeshan|2: evaporust works quite well, but it is slow, and does not like any grease or oil on the parts. if it's used tools, soak them overnight in gasoline or other solvent before using the evaporust.
[20:41:16] <furrywolf> evaporust also likes being warm, 60F is a minimum.
[20:41:44] <zeeshan|2> they arent oily
[20:42:04] <furrywolf> yes, they are. you've touched them. :P
[20:42:13] <furrywolf> evaporust is very picky about oils, even skin oils.
[20:42:16] <JT-Shop> archivist, you around?
[20:42:17] <XXCoder> heh
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[20:42:42] <furrywolf> I wouldn't mind a trip to moab. the rubicon is much closer to me, however.
[20:43:07] <furrywolf> my truck would probably do the rubicon pretty easily after the lockers are installed.
[20:43:15] <furrywolf> taking all the detours, of course.
[20:43:31] <furrywolf> it's way too long/wide/heavy for the boulder courses
[20:43:49] <PetefromTn_> I've wheeled the rubicon in my samurai but never moab. Also did Tellico and Royal blue/windrock
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[20:44:41] <furrywolf> I've never installed an ARB before... will be my first time with one of them. I bought one for my cherokee, but it got totalled before I got it in.
[20:45:57] <furrywolf> I don't have the suspension for the boulder courses... a conservatively-rated 1.5ton truck with leaf springs all around... it's nice being able to load a jeep in the back and barely sag, but it's not good for crawling. :)
[20:46:31] <furrywolf> I have very, very little flex.
[20:47:00] <furrywolf> the 5.88 gears are great for getting two wheels in the air sooner. :)
[20:48:22] <PetefromTn_> I have built and wheeled about a half dozen suzuki samurai's as well as a jeep wrangler or two
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[20:48:41] <PetefromTn_> been looking for another truck since I sold my bronco
[20:48:58] <PetefromTn_> and went to a used car lot to see what they had
[20:49:00] <furrywolf> I have a full-size truck... very different wheeling experience than my jeep.
[20:49:05] <PetefromTn_> drove a little xterra
[20:49:15] <PetefromTn_> really liked it.
[20:49:24] <PetefromTn_> I have wheeled my fullsize broncos before
[20:49:36] <PetefromTn_> just not that white one I just sold it was too pretty for that LOL
[20:49:52] <PetefromTn_> Calmini makes a bolt on SAS kit for the Xterra
[20:49:58] <furrywolf> a couple people I know have wheeled pathfinders, and were very happy with them.
[20:50:08] <PetefromTn_> drop in a dana 44 and some arb's and you got a fun little rig
[20:50:10] <furrywolf> a relative has a bronco on 44s with a 1-ton drivetrain... ford 460 engine, 4-speed manual tranny, sterling 10.5" rear, dana 60 front on a 3-link suspension.
[20:50:32] <PetefromTn_> the bronco is really too big for around here the trails are tight here.
[20:50:42] <furrywolf> detroits front and rear
[20:50:57] <PetefromTn_> if I can find a nice clean Xterra 4x4 with a 5 speed here soon I will probably grab it.
[20:50:58] <furrywolf> dana 44s are leeetle. a 60 is the smallest that should be in anything. :)
[20:51:10] <PetefromTn_> naah
[20:51:28] <PetefromTn_> even yota axles can hold up if you build/reinforce them right..
[20:51:30] <furrywolf> we broke the bronco last time we wheeled it... twisted off the front pinion. the dana 60 is the weakest link.
[20:51:41] <PetefromTn_> bronco is a heavy bastard
[20:51:58] <XXCoder> you are the weakest linke. goodbye!
[20:52:02] <furrywolf> and it was a nice $400 gear set too, not a cheapo.
[20:52:05] <furrywolf> it's even heavier when you stuff a 460 under the hood. :)
[20:52:08] <furrywolf> big blocks++
[20:52:20] <PetefromTn_> I think the X will be a good daily driver/ weekend wheeler/camping vehicle
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[20:52:54] <PetefromTn_> its either that or another samurai or a wrangler and I have already done several of each of those.
[20:53:05] <furrywolf> with 5.13 gears, granny low on the manual transmission, t-case in low, and the low-end torque of the 460, it has an amazingly good idle crawl speed... you can just let it idle and it'll try climbing anything.
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[20:53:50] <CaptHindsight> PCW: Siemens uses the RESOLUTE encoder interface as well
[20:53:52] <furrywolf> with the stock tires on my truck, on dirt, you could drive it into a tree, slowly let the clutch out at idle, and it'd just sit there slowly spinning the wheels... not once I put the swampers on it. :)
[20:54:01] * furrywolf loves >5 gears
[20:54:05] <PetefromTn_> my zuks had 5.30 gears, a 6.5-1 tcase and in low on 35's you can get out and walk alongside it SLOWLY...
[20:54:26] <CaptHindsight> http://w3.siemens.com/mcms/mc-solutions/en/converters/low-voltage-converters/sinamics-s/motion-control-drives/Pages/sinamics-s120-system-architecture.aspx?tabcardname=sinamics%20drive-cliq
[20:54:49] <furrywolf> I have 5.88, but stock t-case gears. can't remember what it is right now. my tranny has a granny low first that you don't normally use when driving, which helps a lot for crawling.
[20:55:45] <furrywolf> it's 1.7:1 or something in the t-case
[20:56:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am familiar with ford granny gears..
[20:56:09] <furrywolf> I don't have a ford. :)
[20:56:23] <PetefromTn_> oh sorry I thought you said it was a ford
[20:56:25] <furrywolf> only ford I have right now is my van, and it's 2wd automatic.
[20:56:37] <furrywolf> no, a relative has a bronco... I have a jeep m715.
[20:58:47] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GlgU0oRoU8 I'm likin' these...
[20:59:40] <furrywolf> if the xterra is like a pathfinder, they wheel surprisingly well
[21:00:05] <PetefromTn_> read one build where a guy used the james duff bronco arms on a D44 in the front and built everything else. seemed to work well.
[21:00:06] <furrywolf> the person I knew who wheeled one fit a snorkel on it, and we once got water a couple inches up the windshield by accident. we were very glad we'd built the snorkel then!
[21:00:34] <furrywolf> we made a wrong turn on a logging road, and one of the puddles was just a weeee bit deeper than the others.
[21:00:38] <PetefromTn_> pathy's are decent with an SAS just like the Xterra
[21:00:56] <furrywolf> I really wouldn't put a d44 in anything heavier than a wrangler...
[21:01:22] <PetefromTn_> hell my Dodge ram came with a D44 front LOL
[21:01:38] <furrywolf> and guess what the weakest link of that truck is? :P
[21:01:41] <furrywolf> (other than the engine)
[21:01:52] <PetefromTn_> the engine was awesome..
[21:02:16] <furrywolf> as I said, we just exploded a 60, and we were on SAND, not even thrashing it... just twisted the pinion shaft off.
[21:02:25] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MxtRAseehM
[21:02:40] <PetefromTn_> but I thought the 60 was supposed to be bulletproof ;)
[21:03:08] <furrywolf> went through a water hole with a hill on the other side, gave it a little more gas to go up the hill... crunch. flop flop bang bang. back down, back out through the water, see what we broke... heh
[21:03:18] <Deejay> gn8
[21:03:37] <furrywolf> no, the 60 is not bulletproof. nothing is bulletproof. :P
[21:03:46] <furrywolf> my truck only has a dana 60 front, and it's the weak link on it too.
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[21:03:57] <PetefromTn_> there are LOTS of aftermarket parts for the D44 and there are tons of rigs running them including the new rubicon's
[21:03:58] <furrywolf> usually snapping the axle shafts near the u-joints
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[21:04:28] <PetefromTn_> probably have too much tire on it
[21:04:46] <furrywolf> I haven't broken anything expensive yet. :)
[21:04:46] <PetefromTn_> or a heavy damn foot!
[21:05:20] <furrywolf> heh, heavy foot won't do much... it only has 120hp... or, rather, had 120hp in 1968, back when you didn't have to add a couple quarts of oil to the engine every time you added gas to the tank...
[21:05:20] <PetefromTn_> those X's don't do too bad for a grocery getter LOL
[21:05:38] <furrywolf> I'd be amazed if it's over 100hp now.
[21:05:52] <PetefromTn_> 4 doors 5 seats, decent storage room
[21:06:10] <PetefromTn_> pretty good wheelbase too considering the length
[21:06:33] <furrywolf> on the other side of the scale, little subarus offroad amazingly well for anything that's within their ground clearance. subie will go on any sand/dirt/etc a lifted truck does.
[21:06:43] <furrywolf> they don't like boulders though.
[21:07:03] <furrywolf> a friend wheeled a subaru hard, and the floorpan developed a pretty good arch shape in the middle from all the rocks he dropped it on.
[21:07:06] <PetefromTn_> http://i34.tinypic.com/2ajwdg3.jpg
[21:07:36] <furrywolf> I have no lift on my truck, but 2" lift on one of my subarus. lol
[21:07:39] <furrywolf> I need to swap it to 3".
[21:08:09] <PetefromTn_> https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3764/13116208164_9a1d533dbf_c.jpg Like this one...
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[21:08:54] <furrywolf> I don't know about xterras, but we fit some pretty beefy tires with only trimming on the pathfinder.
[21:09:18] <PetefromTn_> you can run 33's on an X with simple mods and trimming
[21:09:30] <furrywolf> yeah, 33s were the biggest we got on the pathfinder.
[21:09:31] <PetefromTn_> I want to go SAS tho eventually
[21:09:39] <furrywolf> swapped to manual hubs on the front, got a couple extra mpg.
[21:09:43] <PetefromTn_> 35's on it is plenty IMHO
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[21:10:16] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/pathfindersnow.jpg there's it with little tires.
[21:10:44] <furrywolf> the guy in the last video you pasted needs lockers, badly. :)
[21:11:22] <furrywolf> if you do a SAS, make sure the A has an locker. :)
[21:11:57] <PetefromTn_> of course...
[21:12:02] <PetefromTn_> at least a front locker
[21:12:07] <furrywolf> the pathfinder kept getting stuck, so we kept pulling it out with my m715.
[21:12:35] <PetefromTn_> I was amazed at how my SPOA samurai went with just a front locker in it.
[21:12:40] <furrywolf> we only got the m715 stuck once... I don't know how deep the snow was. we buried the 38.5" swampers 6" below the surface, and weren't hitting anything yet.
[21:12:40] <PetefromTn_> point and shoot
[21:12:54] <furrywolf> could have dug it out, but the winch was easier.
[21:13:02] <PetefromTn_> kaiser power
[21:13:15] <PetefromTn_> PTO?
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[21:13:48] <furrywolf> no, sadly.
[21:13:50] <furrywolf> warn 8274
[21:13:56] <PetefromTn_> just as good
[21:13:57] <furrywolf> (upright style)
[21:14:17] <PetefromTn_> http://i37.tinypic.com/18bw2o.jpg
[21:14:18] <furrywolf> possibly better, because it still works even after you tilt the carb too much. lol
[21:14:57] <furrywolf> I like the 8274. much nicer than the new worm gear winches. it freespools so perfectly easily, and is so much faster pulling up slack...
[21:15:06] <furrywolf> new planetary gear winches
[21:15:36] <furrywolf> and holds more cable
[21:15:59] <furrywolf> I have a nice heavy duty snatch block behind the seats, but haven't had to use it yet.
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[21:19:13] <PetefromTn_> I dunno some of the new winches are amazingly strong and FAST too
[21:19:25] <furrywolf> I need to spend a week doing truck projects this summer... I've got to install the front ARB, the rear Detroit, change the exhaust manifold, replace a leaking wheel seal (will do while doing the lockers), install the air system for the ARB, replace the spark plugs (it oil fouls them every 5k miles or so), and get a new top.
[21:20:24] <furrywolf> I haven't been happy with any of the newer winches I've used... they've always seemed to be slow and struggling, even when powering out.
[21:20:41] <furrywolf> I have a warn 6k planetary I need to put on my subaru.
[21:22:46] <PetefromTn_> my friend had an 8274 on a samurai. damn thing was heavier than the truck but could probably lift the whole truck off the ground easily...
[21:23:09] <furrywolf> the new exhaust manifold will be really, really, really nice... my stock one is broken badly. it's three separate pieces with about a 3/32" gap between them. loud as fuck.
[21:23:58] <furrywolf> I had to wrap my spark plug wires in fiberglass+foil heat wrap after the leaking exhaust gasses lit them on fire...
[21:24:12] <furrywolf> I finally managed to find one, but haven't gotten around to putting it on.
[21:24:20] <PetefromTn_> http://i.imgur.com/Jv5sRXu.jpg interesting picture of an Xterra on 35's next to a wranger on similar
[21:24:49] <furrywolf> anything under 40" looks small on my truck, since it came with 35" tires stock. :)
[21:25:24] <furrywolf> it has huge fender arches... you can fit 44s under it with no lift.
[21:25:45] <furrywolf> though usually people to a shackle flip so they fit better
[21:25:51] <furrywolf> s/to/do
[21:26:38] <furrywolf> my neighbor had a blazer with 44s and about 2ft of lift... it broke every time he drove it.
[21:26:57] <furrywolf> the last straw was when he exploded both the front axle and the transfer case in one trip
[21:27:38] <furrywolf> he exploded a hub, axle stub shaft, and bearing, all at once... and then twisted the transfer case off the transmission.
[21:28:01] <PetefromTn_> jeez
[21:28:37] <PetefromTn_> well I got a call from a guy down south of here that has a 5 speed Xterra for sale. He had someone coming to look at it today that no showed. so maybe I can get it from him here.
[21:28:37] <furrywolf> he has a bit of a lead foot, and it had a bit of a built motor...
[21:28:58] <furrywolf> it was out of a camaro or something, pre-smog.
[21:29:06] <PetefromTn_> never could understand the need for a built motor on a crawler.. I always want a good reliable stock motor
[21:29:22] <PetefromTn_> wheeled for YEARS on a stock samurai motor with 75 hp
[21:29:33] <PetefromTn_> six different samurai's
[21:29:41] <furrywolf> which meant he was never able to actually register the blazer, because it was new enough it needed a smog test, and you can't pass one with a 20-year-older non-smog engine stuffed under the hood with all the stock wiring cut. heh.
[21:29:42] <PetefromTn_> went places no vehicle should be able to go
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[21:30:01] <PetefromTn_> well gotta go pickup my wife.
[21:30:18] <furrywolf> yeah, my truck's stock engine is fine for crawling... the 60mph top speed sucks though. :)
[21:30:38] <PetefromTn_> BBL
[21:30:40] <furrywolf> cyas
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[21:43:10] <JT-Shop> damn amazon return is a revolving door that just brings you back to the start lol
[21:45:21] <robinsz> so a question ...
[21:45:48] <robinsz> what do you do to start a machine where the axis has run off into the limit switch?
[21:47:18] <robinsz> I got bored of reaching inside to move the Z axis belts
[21:48:10] <robinsz> or shuld I just configure it as home switches only, as there is just 1 switch per axis
[21:49:55] <furrywolf> can you jog it?
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[22:03:55] <JT-Shop> anyone have a link to archivist web site?
[22:05:05] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: http://www.wench.archivist.info
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[22:05:40] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: tell him sent you for 10% all info :)
[22:06:02] <JT-Shop> thanks
[22:09:07] <JT-Shop> doesn't he have a catalog of various subjects like gear cutting?
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[22:30:05] <andypugh> PCW: I am having problems with my 5i23. It seems to need the PC to power right down before LinuxCNC will restart, (no /DONE) and after a few minutes of running the system shuts down with a variety of problems, such as watchdog bites, smart-serial comms errors. re-seating the PCI slot seems to help, but not for long enough to make anything. I am using a right-angle riser and the MB is ye olde D510MO. I am wondering about
[22:30:06] <andypugh> trying a different riser, or maybe even a new MB.
[22:30:39] <andypugh> But is there a chance that the issue is with the 5i23? (It seems unlikely, the errors all point at PCI comms)
[22:31:56] <furrywolf> hrmm, I think I have to declare this eu2000i as a parts unit. it's reallllly clean, but seems to have burnt valves, and the inverter that's with it is obviously out of another unit and also bad, and I don't have another inverter that'll fit.
[22:32:24] <furrywolf> valve lash is good, but it blows exhaust out the intake just as much as the other end...
[22:32:44] <furrywolf> not worth both sourcing an inverter AND rebuilding the engine.
[22:33:29] <furrywolf> I think pcw mentioned risers being a perennial source of problems at one point.
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[22:34:07] <Cromaglious> argh!*#&^@(*&^$*&$ Just fried a DMX LED light... Hopefully it's just the voltage regualtor
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[22:36:35] <furrywolf> how'd you fry it?
[22:38:27] <SpeedEvil> I guess misuse of x-ray vision.
[22:39:29] <furrywolf> anyone want an eu2000i really cheap? :P
[22:40:06] <SpeedEvil> Shipping may be an issue :)
[22:40:43] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: also - valveless pulsejets work fine with the exhaust blowing out the intake
[22:40:51] <Cromaglious> shorted pin 1 Vin to pin 2 Vout
[22:41:13] <Cromaglious> furrywolf: what's amatta wid it
[22:41:28] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight Hey man ya out there?
[22:41:36] <furrywolf> it came with no front panel and inverter, then I found a front panel in the pile of parts, obviously off a different unit (mismatched dirt color)... looks like the inverter is bad, but it's different than all the others.
[22:41:53] <furrywolf> Crom: burnt valves, bad inverter, and several parts missing.
[22:41:58] <Cromaglious> really really cheap then
[22:42:13] <Cromaglious> parts thens
[22:42:21] <furrywolf> yep
[22:42:32] <furrywolf> looks like it was already used for parts after someone found the burnt valves
[22:43:09] <furrywolf> it _does_ run if you spray carb cleaner directly into the side of the head faster than it can blow it back out... but doesn't put out any power, probably due to the random front panel being a pull from a bad unit.
[22:43:58] <furrywolf> this is what happens when the manual says to adjust the lash every 300 hours and you run it a few thousand not doing so.
[22:46:43] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: Or the manual doesn't say that.
[22:46:58] <SpeedEvil> The manual says you need to get it serviced every 300 hours and doesn't say why or what to do
[22:47:01] <SpeedEvil> :/
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[22:47:28] <furrywolf> sure it does. it says "take it to your honda dealer" :P
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[22:51:32] <Tom_itx> andypugh i wonder if the riser is introducing noise?
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[22:58:38] <PCW> Sounds like PCI connection troubles. I would try without the riser if you can temporarily arrange things that way
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[23:11:59] <andypugh> I tried no riser. I can’t close the enclsure, and things are no better.
[23:14:12] <andypugh> A 5i24 would fit, and allow the case to close. But won’t help if the problem is the the MB PCI slot.
[23:14:38] <andypugh> Maybe I should try plowing everything off with an airline.
[23:15:08] <Jymmm> United Airlines?
[23:15:15] <andypugh> And I am not going to get a new 5i23 or 5i24 by tomorrow, when I want the mill working
[23:16:18] <Jymmm> andypugh: no need sleep
[23:16:39] <andypugh> No, not really
[23:17:06] <Jymmm> andypugh: Just put on your elf shoesand work throught the night =)
[23:17:23] <andypugh> How does that help when the machine isn’t working?
[23:17:46] <Jymmm> you make it work by putting parts and stuff on it?
[23:17:56] <andypugh> I can’t get the parts
[23:18:13] <Jymmm> cant make em either?
[23:19:03] <Jymmm> like temperary till the real parts arrive?
[23:19:06] <andypugh> No, because even if I could mill a 5i23 and motherboard from solid, the machine isn’t working.
[23:19:46] <Jymmm> I meant the machine, the parts cnan be over night if you HAD to have them ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$)
[23:20:15] <Jymmm> or is it a want, and not a need?
[23:21:03] <Jymmm> If you had a job due in 4 days for $250K, overnight from US to UK isn't bad.
[23:22:38] <Jymmm> Though I am curious as to how much. I do know that FedEx has SAME DAY service too.
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[23:24:56] <Jymmm> Shit... the even say "customs-cleared" to your door in 2 days by morning. http://www.fedex.com/gb/shipping-services/international/import/usa/intl-first.html
[23:25:02] <andypugh> I would also need to set up a system to re-build my custom bitfile. I don’t know how long that would take either.
[23:25:45] <andypugh> But that isn’t even necessarily the problem.
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[23:26:34] <Jymmm> andypugh: Ah, I miss you saying "want" and not "need" - I'm dreadly fully tired, it's 5pm, and I still have another 11 hours or so togo
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[23:27:24] <Jymmm> At least it's starting to cool off now, only 86F
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[23:28:02] <andypugh> I never _need_ my machines working, but I do have something of a requirement to make some new exhaust clamps for the bike before friday.
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[23:28:49] <Jymmm> andypugh: machining isn't your bread and butter?
[23:28:58] <andypugh> it’s a simple machining job though. I might be able to use a miling cutter in the lathe chuck and a spigot held in the tailstock.
[23:29:35] <andypugh> No, machining is purely a hobby. I develop engine control software for money.
[23:29:42] <Jymmm> gotcha
[23:30:04] <Jymmm> oh thats right, worked for ford at some point
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[23:30:11] <andypugh> Still do.
[23:30:13] <Jymmm> k
[23:30:28] <Jymmm> wait, you design the ECU?
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[23:32:51] <Jymmm> andypugh: Find whoever engineered the fuel pump is the tank without a hatch to get to it and bitch slap em for me!
[23:33:46] <andypugh> Delphi design the ECU. We just program it.
[23:34:12] <Jymmm> ISn't delphi Chevy? Or is that AC Delco?
[23:34:30] <andypugh> Delphi was Lucas.
[23:34:45] <Jymmm> Lucas aRts, as in the studio?
[23:35:45] <Jymmm> andypugh: any easter eggs? secret diag modes?
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[23:36:46] <andypugh> Nothing interesting.
[23:37:06] <Jymmm> like brake, brake, open door, left blinker, right blinker, close door, brake, brake, brake, FIGHT!
[23:38:08] <Jymmm> define "interesting"?
[23:40:54] <andypugh> I know how to open the thermostat to enable coolant fill.
[23:41:07] <andypugh> I don’t call that interesting.
[23:41:07] <Roguish> Lucas as in "why do British drink warm beer? because they have Lucas refrigerators."
[23:41:28] <andypugh> I have decided I can machine my parts on the lathe.
[23:41:51] <andypugh> Then think about fixing the mill in a couple of weeks when I am back from holiday.
[23:43:36] <andypugh> But I seem to have ordered another motherboard just in case.
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[23:54:03] <CaptHindsight> Roguish: besides that good beer tastes better warm?
[23:54:54] <furrywolf> two more generators tested... the other eu2000i I got yesterday runs! it smokes a little, but not enough I'd consider it unacceptable if used at a jobsite with a >25ft extension cord.
[23:55:15] <furrywolf> carb is a little dirty and the pull start cord is only 1.5ft long, but those are easy fixes.
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[23:55:45] <furrywolf> once I got the water out of the carb, it supports an 1800W load with minimal smoke after warming up.
[23:55:55] <CaptHindsight> how many men in hamster wheels does on generator engine replace?
[23:56:01] <CaptHindsight> on/one
[23:56:50] <furrywolf> also tested one of the eu1000is... had no drain plug or oil. found drain plug off parts unit, added oil... seems to have internal damage. makes bad clunks approaching TDC.
[23:57:13] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: people are generally less than 1/3rd hp, and are very inefficient.
[23:57:33] <furrywolf> suspect this 1000 is going to become a parts unit
[23:57:50] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: why are you against people working?
[23:57:57] <Cromaglious> LM2576S-5.0 ouch $20 for 5
[23:58:30] <furrywolf> CaptHindsight: fun fact: it takes more gasoline to produce, transport, refrigerate, etc, the food you consume for you to power any kind of people-powered device, than you'd need to burn in a generator to make the same amount of power.
[23:58:44] <furrywolf> useful thing to know every time someone comes up with a great way to use people power to do something
[23:59:05] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: why do you make excuses for people not working?
[23:59:26] * furrywolf decides CaptHindsight is either a hippie or trolling
[23:59:51] <CaptHindsight> what is the purpose of these generators?