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[00:07:49] <tjb1> thats for help _methods
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[00:27:17] <_methods> sure
[00:27:23] <_methods> not sure how i helped though lol
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[00:43:14] <Computer_barf> im trying to run ifconfig to figure out my ip address, it seems to have changed
[00:43:33] <Computer_barf> as i recall its not ifconfig on debian but some other command
[00:44:16] <toastyde2th> it's ifconfig on debian
[00:44:34] <toastyde2th> only works as root/sudo
[00:45:29] <cthompson> in theory
[00:45:39] <cthompson> try "ip addr"
[00:45:56] <toastyde2th> show
[00:46:02] <cthompson> redhat 7 doesn't ship with ifconfig, which caught me by surprise
[00:46:08] <cthompson> you have to install it
[00:46:49] <cthompson> ip addr is there on my ubuntu 14.04 box
[00:47:14] <cthompson> and if there, ifconfig should not require root to display
[00:47:23] <cthompson> only to make changes
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[00:47:53] <toastyde2th> ifconfig is by default not in the path as non-root
[00:48:31] <cthompson> oh, heh
[00:48:46] <cthompson> /sbin/ifconfig will work though, it's not a perm issue
[00:48:47] <toastyde2th> and ifconfig is installed by default even on the most minimal debian installs
[00:49:26] <cthompson> I've carried my custom bashrc around for so long I forget that I have /sbin and /usr/sbin in my path
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[00:49:55] <cthompson> toastyde2th: that was why I was surprised, RHEL7 box, typed ifconfig, got "not found"
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[00:50:13] <toastyde2th> what's your install source
[00:50:25] <toastyde2th> b/c ifconfig is not on the rhel7 minimal/netinst
[00:50:35] <cthompson> might have been minimal
[00:50:37] <toastyde2th> but is included by default if you use the installation media
[00:50:56] <Computer_barf> toastyde2th: /sbin/ifconfig worked
[00:51:00] <cthompson> this was an iso fake mounted and installed into a vmware guest to try and build a template
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[00:51:16] <cthompson> all our stuff is still RHEL6 so it's not a huge issue
[00:51:41] <cthompson> we're still vendor locked on stuff, 7 is a ways off
[00:52:30] <cthompson> I'm not looking forward to it
[00:52:40] <cthompson> I'm an old dog, and systemd is decidedly a new trick
[00:53:05] <cthompson> I sat through all the talks at last year's redhat summit in San Fran and am still unconvinced
[00:54:14] <toastyde2th> i am trying to get the fuck out of system administration but i won't be able to for awhile
[00:54:41] <toastyde2th> and on top of that I'm predominantly windows, despite liking/working with linux better
[00:54:52] <toastyde2th> #firstworldproblems
[00:55:11] <cthompson> toastyde2th: I've been a linux/unix sysadmin for 20 years, at some point I realized I can't make the same money anywhere else
[00:55:17] <cthompson> so sysadmin it is
[00:55:35] <cthompson> I don't have the temperament to code
[00:55:36] <toastyde2th> i've got a few years to see
[00:55:49] <toastyde2th> I have a background in ultraprecision engineering and machining, so I am trying to go in that direction
[00:55:52] <toastyde2th> since I actually enjoy it
[00:56:24] <toastyde2th> NIST has a job up for 150k that's basically R&D manufacturing engineering for the scientists
[00:56:29] <cthompson> my child support payments are too large for me to take risks :)
[00:56:33] <toastyde2th> haha, understood
[00:56:52] <cthompson> though as they age it's less child support and more "kids in college"
[00:57:46] <toastyde2th> got a vasectomy 2 years ago at 27, so hopefully going to dodge that entire gauntlet
[00:58:33] <cthompson> I didn't get snipped until after there were three kids
[00:58:50] <cthompson> and that was because the third one nearly killed my ex wife more than anything
[00:59:00] <cthompson> kids, man
[01:01:15] <toastyde2th> ouch
[01:03:20] <cthompson> I wish there were a way to get stats out of youtube
[01:03:38] <toastyde2th> ?
[01:03:45] <cthompson> because I think I've now watched more hours of John Grimsmo building knives on his Tormach than anything else I've ever watched
[01:03:50] <toastyde2th> hahaha
[01:05:47] <cthompson> thing is, I'm not even a knife guy
[01:06:11] <cthompson> the only reason there's a knife in my backpack is because I found a Ken Onion Leek on the ground in a parking lot
[01:07:55] <toastyde2th> making shit is cool, i think that's justification enough eh?
[01:08:18] <cthompson> yep
[01:08:29] <cthompson> my friends and I refer to it as "process pornography"
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[01:14:52] <malcom2073> I've watched more hours of "how it's made" than I care to actually admit to
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[01:16:05] <cthompson> I think I've watched the hour long "Tour Adam Savage's Workshop" video four times
[01:17:39] <zeeshan|2> SpeedEvil: sweet!
[01:17:41] <zeeshan|2> thanks
[01:17:41] <zeeshan|2> !
[01:17:58] <zeeshan|2> http://ca.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Honeywell/MLH050PGP06A/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvhQj7WZhFIAKF%2fsywqpPN6BWl0sQzmSz0%3d
[01:18:03] <zeeshan|2> this sensor looks good on paper
[01:18:12] <zeeshan|2> beats the omega sensors by a mile
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[01:24:43] <Valen> cthompson: I like his rack of bolts
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[01:28:27] <cthompson> Valen: I covet his rack of bolts
[01:29:08] <cthompson> I lost my shop in the divorce. All my tools have been in a storage locker for six years
[01:29:23] <Valen> oooh sucky
[01:29:24] <cthompson> so I have to watch other people make things
[01:36:10] <furrywolf> yay! the eu2000i I just put the timing belt in runs great
[01:37:08] <furrywolf> going to do a few minor things while it's apart, like replace the pull cord (it's a little worn, might as well replace it while I already have the covers off) and wire brush the cooling fins, then button it back up.
[01:41:12] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: :)
[01:42:20] <furrywolf> why hasn't science invented a rope that doesn't suck?
[01:43:04] <furrywolf> heh, one of the eu3000s someone had used paracord for the pullstart... which, as always, failed miserably. the outer jacket frays quickly, then the inner cores catch and shred.
[01:45:15] <furrywolf> don't use a jacket-and-fluffy-cores rope for your pullstart!
[01:46:25] <furrywolf> somehow I can't imagine the problem is that we can't make lifetime pullcords, but that we don't.
[01:47:12] <malcom2073> Like many things, it's more worth it to spend 5 cents on one that frays after a while, than 10 cents on one that lasts forever
[01:47:19] <furrywolf> we can make a v-belt last 200,000 miles on a hot engine with several horsepower going through it, but we can't make a rope last more than 100 pulls by hand?
[01:48:37] <furrywolf> especially for honda, who tries to make sure you take everything to one of their authorized dealers, where they get to charge an hour of shop time to replace the $1 rope.
[01:49:02] <malcom2073> Oh man I found a generator I think I love more than the eu2000's we use at work
[01:49:11] <furrywolf> oh?
[01:49:14] <malcom2073> http://media.wix.com/ugd/931200_e15cc0f7637843208c448e88ac8032b1.pdf
[01:49:23] <furrywolf> I've never had an eu2000 before... this is my first one.
[01:49:25] <malcom2073> We got one of them and I got to try it out today
[01:49:41] <malcom2073> Very similar size and shape to an eu2000, but quieter
[01:50:06] <furrywolf> it's diesel? cute
[01:50:22] <malcom2073> Multi-fuel. We run it on a diesel/gas 50/50 mix
[01:50:22] <furrywolf> oh, flex-fuel just means propane
[01:50:30] <malcom2073> Runs on almost any fuel
[01:50:47] <furrywolf> fun
[01:50:52] <malcom2073> I'm not entirely sure *how*
[01:50:55] <Jymmm> eu2000 needs kit for tri-furl
[01:51:14] <malcom2073> Ours doesn't have the kit for gaseous fuels, only liquid
[01:51:34] <Jymmm> It's like $250
[01:51:44] <malcom2073> I can't imagine it's that cheap for this thing
[01:51:48] <malcom2073> I should ask
[01:51:57] <furrywolf> if I ever get around to getting a m35, it'll be one of the ones with the white multifuel... I don't need to go over 50mph, but I'll be able to go that 50mph on diesel, kerosene, gasoline, paint thinner, motor oil, veggie oil, brake fluid (yes, I met someone who burned glycol brake fluid in one!),...
[01:52:22] <malcom2073> Yep furrywolf, that reads lke the fuel label on this thing. It's amazing
[01:52:33] <malcom2073> It feels like it's a yamaha EU2000
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[01:52:40] <furrywolf> it's probably just a pretty standard diesel engine design
[01:52:43] <malcom2073> But that's a pure gas motor... not sure what they had to do to convert it
[01:52:56] <Jymmm> HOLY FUCKING SHIT... $9,500
[01:52:59] <malcom2073> haha yeah
[01:53:16] <malcom2073> Government ftl
[01:54:36] <furrywolf> diesels are really good at burning random fuels... the tricks are adjustments (on the m35, it's a big lever on the side of the fuel pump), and injection pump lubrication. for example, to run gasoline on the m35, you're supposed to mix in a quart of motor oil for every 10 gallons of gas or something. I don't remember the exact ratio. otherwise you wear out the injection pump. moderns materials have eliminated this problem...
[01:55:13] <Jymmm> Honestly, I'd still do the EU2000 + tri-fuel kit. They are proven, easy to repair/mod, parts are easilt found.
[01:55:14] <furrywolf> heh, a guy about a mile from here was burning ROAD TAR in his multifuel.
[01:55:15] <malcom2073> Yeah, this is probably diesel engine based, they said to run on gasoline you should mix in at least some diesel heh
[01:55:33] <furrywolf> yeah, so they still have the same injection pump lubrication issue.
[01:56:04] <furrywolf> the diesel isn't to aid combustion, it's to provide some lubrication to the pump...
[01:56:13] <malcom2073> Makes sense
[01:56:27] <furrywolf> he melted the road tar (in a scary operation involving a 55 gallon drum over an open flame), mixed it with diesel until it resembled something that might be pumpable, then dumped it into his truck.
[01:56:32] <malcom2073> Hmm nope, if it's the MZ80 engine as the spec sheet says, that's a gasoline engine
[01:58:17] <furrywolf> hrmm, none of my generators are woodland camo... I have spare paint... but the camo paint I have dissolves the second you get gasoline on it. found this out on my truck. heh.
[01:58:47] <Jymmm> furrywolf: You JUSt got an EU2000?
[01:58:49] <malcom2073> I'm gonna see if they'll let me take the covers all off and see if I can figure out what they changed. If it's possible to run the MZ80 engine on diesel with minimal modifications (maybe they decked the head for higher compression?), it'd be worth figuring it out.
[01:59:11] <furrywolf> Jymmm: I got it a couple weeks ago, just fixed it last night, and started it today.
[01:59:39] <Jymmm> furrywolf: LOVE THIS THING
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-EU1000i-EU2000i-GENERATOR-NO-MESS-OIL-CHANGE-/230564791455
[02:00:09] <furrywolf> hrmm, yep, the 2000 hour supply kit includes 6 spark plugs.
[02:00:18] <Jymmm> furrywolf: and it snaps into a pocket just inside the cover, left side.
[02:00:28] <malcom2073> Ah I needed that link Jymmm haha, I'm gonna convince work to buy a set of them
[02:00:59] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I have oil pre-measured out in soda bottles.
[02:01:24] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Use a 2L bottle for waste oil
[02:01:44] <Jymmm> malcom2073: fastest oil change ever!
[02:01:45] <furrywolf> how many oil changes do you do to need pre-measured oil?
[02:01:52] <malcom2073> Jymmm: We have like, 6-7 generators, so easier to just pour it out of the bottle heh
[02:02:06] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Every 8 hours of continous use.
[02:02:10] <malcom2073> Heh wow
[02:02:11] <malcom2073> hardcore
[02:02:21] <Jymmm> damn right..
[02:02:25] <furrywolf> ... you're missing a zero or two.
[02:02:36] <Jymmm> it's the one thing that'll kill an engine.
[02:02:56] <Jymmm> oil is cheap
[02:03:07] <Jymmm> 2.5 changes per quart
[02:03:24] <furrywolf> the eu2000i manual says 100 hours.
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[02:03:31] <malcom2073> lol
[02:03:47] <furrywolf> eh? I dumped it well over half a quart to bring it up to the level of the plug.
[02:04:36] <Jymmm> It's been a while
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[02:05:16] <furrywolf> mine could have been abnormally low, since I had the block apart and degreased... no little pockets of oil left.
[02:05:48] <malcom2073> This reminds me that I need to do a full service on my generator
[02:06:01] <furrywolf> malcom2073: ever done a timing belt on an eu2000i?
[02:06:08] <furrywolf> first step: remove EVERYTHING.
[02:06:12] <malcom2073> furrywolf: I've not, ours don't have *that* many hours on them haha
[02:06:28] <malcom2073> We typically destroy them before they get that old
[02:06:34] <Jymmm> Oil capacity: 0.42 US qt (0.40 )
[02:06:49] <furrywolf> all the outer panels, all the internals, all the cowling, the motor mounts,...
[02:06:58] <malcom2073> Ew heh
[02:07:15] <furrywolf> the block splits along a 45 degree diagonal. it doesn't have separate end plates like many other honda motors.
[02:09:29] <furrywolf> the actual belt process isn't that hard... split the block, remove the oil slinger etc, remove the cam pin, remove the cam, stuff the belt in, put cam pulley in belt, put belt around crank (squishing cam into rockers for extra belt length), install cam pin, put block back together...
[02:09:52] <furrywolf> it's removing and reinstalling every single other part of the generator to get to the block that sucks
[02:10:48] <furrywolf> they're built like those 3d wooden puzzles with all the little bits of wood with notches that only go together in one order...
[02:11:41] <furrywolf> http://kubiyagames.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/3/d/3d_square_cube_iq118_1.jpg that's how an eu2000 goes together.
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[02:20:49] <furrywolf> I wonder if they're doing the old hit-and-miss practice of vaporizing the fuel with hot exhaust or such...
[02:28:05] <furrywolf> yep! heh. that was used to make old engines run off kerosene... but it always had constant problems with buildup on the vaporizer tubes and such requiring constant maintenance, non-existant cold start performance, etc.
[02:29:28] <furrywolf> so either it's unreliable, or they're perfected a method of vaporizing the fuel without any buildup issues.
[02:33:11] <FinboySlick> furrywolf: Got basic plans for one of those wooden puzzles? I'd kind of like to build one of those, just for practice's sake.
[02:33:35] <furrywolf> bbl, enough researching flex-fuel generator, back to working on the eu2000i.
[02:33:39] <furrywolf> FinboySlick: nope
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[02:34:08] <furrywolf> make yours out of aluminum. :P
[02:34:17] <FinboySlick> That was the plan.
[02:34:19] <FinboySlick> Or steel.
[02:34:30] <FinboySlick> It'd be a great little desk toy.
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[02:36:24] <furrywolf> hrmm... interesting! apparantly a diesel fuel vaporizer is now an off-the-shelf commodity part, used for regenerating diesel particulate filters.
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[03:32:42] <tjtr33> anyone have linux based IPT ( inventor) file viewer?
[03:32:50] <tjtr33> No WebGl on firefox or chromium with Ubuntu 10.04.
[03:32:52] <tjtr33> I ended up using a chromebook that allowed WebGl then used Autodesk's online viewer.
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[04:50:45] <furrywolf> free eu2000i advice: make sure you set the throttle to full open before putting it back together, or you'll tire yourself out attempting to make it start.
[04:51:04] <furrywolf> took me a good few pulls to realize it was acting like the throttle was completely closed. :)
[04:51:44] <furrywolf> seems it sets the throttle to full open on shutdown, and only starts in that position. pull-starting doesn't get the voltage high enough for the electronics to open the throttle for you.
[04:52:43] <furrywolf> malcom2073:
http://www.google.ca/patents/US5555853
[04:55:38] <furrywolf> works like I said... they vaporize the fuel using engine heat, with a fuel-fired preheater to make it start.
[04:55:54] <furrywolf> I see no provision to avoid buildup of crap on the components
[04:56:51] <furrywolf> and unlike a proper diesel, it really only burns the lighter fuels... you're not burning bunker fuel in it.
[04:59:17] * furrywolf decides malcom2073 is off to bed, and sends a memo instead
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[05:10:51] <furrywolf> bbl
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[05:15:33] <furrywolf> http://www.google.ca/patents/US20150034025
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[05:19:04] <furrywolf> bbl, sleep
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[09:01:26] <HelloShitty> Morning
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[14:00:15] <ssi> morn
[14:02:08] <malcom2073> morning
[14:02:13] <malcom2073> furrywolf: That's awesome btw
[14:05:33] <malcom2073> Holy hell the tin foil hat people have jumped all over the term "fuel vaporizor"
[14:05:45] <ssi> eh?
[14:06:25] <malcom2073> We were talkin yesterday about generators, and now multi-fuel generators work that run on both diesel and gasoline
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[14:10:02] <malcom2073> yeah I don't think I'm going to find any real information on that heh
[14:10:49] <ssi> I see
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[14:17:29] <malcom2073> furrywolf: Ohhhh that patent, that makes perfect sense. The generator we have has a can of ether on it, they say if the engine temp is below 150, you have to hit it with ether to start it, which matches what the patent says
[14:17:30] <malcom2073> awesome
[14:18:09] <malcom2073> So, it sounds like if you manage cylinder temperature to keep it in the 150-180c range, and start the engine with ether/starting fluid, it can run on heavier fuels
[14:18:49] <malcom2073> Oh duh, same company haha
[14:21:15] <malcom2073> I want to try this
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[14:35:59] <ssi> gotta be careful starting diesels with ether
[14:36:01] <ssi> it's hard on em
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[14:38:46] <tiwake> yeah
[14:39:00] <tiwake> although sometimes its the only way to start them
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[14:44:54] <malcom2073> This is a gasoline engine
[14:45:00] <malcom2073> not diesel, it just runs on diesel... veriy odd.
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[14:45:03] <malcom2073> very*
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[14:55:55] <Pudlo> What was that ebay seller for endmills everybody loves?
[15:10:12] <Tecan> enco ?
[15:10:19] <Tecan> ebay
[15:10:36] <Tecan> mcmastercarr
[15:11:05] <Tecan> alibaba
[15:11:19] <ReadError> drillman1 is nice
[15:11:30] <ReadError> i use him almost exclusively
[15:12:39] <Pudlo> drillman1! That's what I was looking for.
[15:12:40] <Pudlo> thx
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[15:15:08] <SpeedEvil> ^and preheat the fuel to 120C IIRC
[15:15:42] <malcom2073> SpeedEvil: not sure if the engine actually does that, I can look at the fuel line routing and see
[15:15:54] <SpeedEvil> I was referring to the earlier patent
[15:16:07] <malcom2073> That patent is for the engine we've got
[15:16:09] <SpeedEvil> However, I must admit, I skimmed it, and favour just shooting the applicant in the head.
[15:16:32] <malcom2073> Why, because patent?
[15:17:14] <Rab> drillman1 is about 20 minutes north of me. Nice guy, free local pickup. ^_^
[15:17:28] <SpeedEvil> All patents where the concept is not truly novel and important, and not obvious once you ask the question the patent implies should be shot in the head.
[15:17:50] <SpeedEvil> ^the applicant should
[15:17:52] <archivist> malcom2073, but but a glasgow company made dual fuel engines in the 1920s
[15:18:00] <SpeedEvil> And the patent examiner
[15:18:05] <malcom2073> archivist: That weigh less than 40lbs?
[15:18:08] <SpeedEvil> And their manager.
[15:18:32] <malcom2073> Afaik, all the dual fuel (military deuce and a half and the sort) are all gigantic diesel engines
[15:18:35] <malcom2073> not small gasoline engines
[15:18:48] <SpeedEvil> This is - as I read it just 'on a computer' - with manual application of starting fluid and control of the engine that used to be done by humans trying to start tractors et al
[15:19:18] <SpeedEvil> The fact that it's applied to small engines does not make it novel or unobvious to anyone that shouldn't be shot in the head anyway.
[15:19:48] <malcom2073> I think it's cool, and the generator is fairly nice, starts really quick, and does indeed run on any fuel we've thrown at it so far
[15:20:11] <malcom2073> And seems to be based on a $600 yamaha generator, so totally diyable
[15:21:09] <SpeedEvil> There is nothing in the patent as I read it that is not immediately apparantthat you would discover if you were given a nice machine shop, a few generators to play with, and a couple of months.
[15:21:32] <archivist> malcom2073, also the 1975 ruston
http://www.enginemuseum.org/alp.html
[15:21:51] <archivist> iant nuffink new
[15:22:01] <SpeedEvil> You should never ever be able to get a patent for less effort than it would take every single person combined in the future in the area to do a patent search to find if their new invention is covered by yours.
[15:22:16] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise, your discovery is not of public benefit.
[15:22:30] <malcom2073> Since when has the patent system been about public benefit? :P
[15:22:47] <SpeedEvil> It's the reason it was allegedly introduced.
[15:23:06] <malcom2073> And you believe everything politicians tell you?
[15:23:27] <malcom2073> Agreed that the patent system is stupid and abused, but that aside, It's a damn nice generator and I'ma try to convert my own
[15:23:32] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[15:23:54] <SpeedEvil> I wish the guy making 1/4 scale F1 would sell injectors
[15:24:07] <malcom2073> I read about that, hell of a thing making injectors that tiny
[15:24:25] <SpeedEvil> they'd be ideal for small generators
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[15:25:42] <malcom2073> Ah yeah true
[15:27:04] <malcom2073> They make fuel injection systems for 50cc motors
[15:31:45] <SpeedEvil> ^I was meaning inexpensively
[15:34:00] <malcom2073> Ah I'd not priced them out, I guess they're uncommon enough tobe expensive?
[15:35:53] <SpeedEvil> They're uncommon enough to be much, much more expensive than a carb
[15:36:05] <SpeedEvil> alone - without any fuel handling stuff
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[15:38:23] <zeeshan|2> fak tornado warning
[15:38:47] <malcom2073> Tie yourself to the mill
[15:38:51] <zeeshan|2> lol
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[15:42:04] <DaViruz> http://www.ecotrons.com/products/small_engine_fuel_injection_kit/
[15:42:18] <DaViruz> their miniature fuel injection systems are quite reasonably priced
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[15:50:57] <archivist> ew 399 sounds expensive
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[15:55:41] <DaViruz> when it includes throtte body, injectors, fuel pump, pressure regulator etc?
[15:56:37] <archivist> a complete engine on a mower can be has for 145 pounds over here
[15:56:43] <archivist> had
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[15:57:16] <DaViruz> i can get a loaf of bread for about 2 pounds here
[15:57:23] <malcom2073> That's a heavy loaf
[15:58:27] <archivist> thick slice white bread currently .75 pounds was 1.3 pounds before the recent price war
[16:00:47] <DaViruz> if you can find cheaper small engine fuel injection components i'm very interested
[16:00:50] <zeeshan|2> http://cdn.grindtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/6-04-15-Supercell-Tornados-Simla-Colorado-3k.jpg
[16:01:21] <archivist> that be windy
[16:02:06] <archivist> hide in the cellar under the mill
[16:02:13] <zeeshan|2> =]
[16:02:31] <zeeshan|2> cnc mill. a life saving device!
[16:02:56] <archivist> holds the floor down
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[16:42:04] <archivist> rofl
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mitutoyo-Caliper-Measuring-Device-USED-/311319751209
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[16:45:27] <pcw_home> seems high for a beat up caliper with a bent screw
[16:48:20] <archivist> new they are 50 ish
[16:49:14] <archivist> erm less
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MITUTOYO-530-104-VERNIER-CALIPER-150MM-/271226737230
[16:52:29] <SpeedEvil> pcw_home: easy enough to hammer it flat
[16:53:32] <_methods> yes every metrology lab has the hammer flattener device lol
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[18:04:22] <Roguish> hey all. a little linux/debian help please. what is the simplest way to share the debian user home directory to a win7 workgroup?
[18:05:36] <_methods> samba
[18:05:42] <anarchos123> sambs
[18:05:51] <anarchos123> err, what he said
[18:08:11] <Roguish> that's what i've been trying to setup. would someone share the absolute bare minimum smb.conf file???? please, please, please.
[18:09:13] <_methods> https://wiki.debian.org/SambaServerSimple
[18:09:31] <_methods> doesn't get much simpler than that
[18:09:56] <Roguish> thanks. i'll give it a go.
[18:10:34] <_methods> and you will want to look at this probably if you want to use the share with no password
[18:10:39] <_methods> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1709425
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[18:12:10] <Roguish> passwords are ok. i keep my net very simple. same ID's and pw on everything (except the modem and router.)
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[18:13:54] <_methods> k
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[18:28:45] <ssi> https://www.readthetpp.com
[18:29:35] <_methods> oh wow
[18:29:51] <_methods> they doing some damage control eh
[18:29:57] <_methods> hahahahhahah
[18:29:59] <_methods> you got me
[18:30:05] <_methods> damn button kept movin all over
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[18:45:02] <furrywolf> malcom2073: pull your generator apart yet? :P
[18:45:16] <malcom2073> Nope, won't be back in there until next week
[18:46:13] <furrywolf> I question its actual real-world durability and performance.
[18:47:08] <furrywolf> the technology is nothing new - it's been around a hundred years or so... but it always had problems. vaporizing the fuel, unless it's very, very clean fuel with no heavy components, tends to leave behind deposits that build up until it stops working...
[18:47:52] <furrywolf> and unlike a real diesel, you have to put in very light diesel-like fuels only. if you try putting in, say, motor oil, it'll just sit there and carbonize...
[18:48:37] <malcom2073> It's not using a heated vaporizor though per-se, it's using the heat of the cylinder. They have a very large, albiet strict list of what fuels it can use
[18:49:00] <furrywolf> and they had to retard the timing substantially to deal with random fuels, which means poor economy on some of them.
[18:49:04] <malcom2073> Yeah
[18:49:05] <ssi> _methods: :)
[18:50:07] <furrywolf> "the heat of the cylinder" has to be transferred to the liquid fuel... this means the surface of the intake manifold, or possibly a special heat exchanger section in the intake.
[18:50:56] <malcom2073> Maybe the carb gets hot enough to do it in the venturi?
[18:51:09] <ssi> venturis go the other way
[18:51:11] <ssi> gets colder
[18:51:22] <malcom2073> I didn't say *because* of the venturi :P
[18:51:33] <furrywolf> I saw a design googling that eliminated the buildup problem and the ether requirement... a 200W electric heater that heated the fuel while still liquid, then sprayed it out a nozzle under high pressure, like a diesel injector... then the actual vaporizing process occours in the moving air, rather than on a solid surface.
[18:51:48] <ssi> yeah but if it's hot enough to vaporize in the venturi then it'll vaporize outside the venturi sooner :P
[18:52:04] <furrywolf> you don't want your float bowl to be hot enough to vaporize fuel. heh.
[18:52:04] <malcom2073> ssi: That's inside the jet/fuel lines
[18:52:33] <furrywolf> I don't think you'd get accurate metering trying to vaporize the fuel in the carb. it needs to be vaporized entirely before it or entirely after it...
[18:52:39] <malcom2073> I don't know, it'll be interesting to see how long it lasts to be sure, they say it only has a life of 2000 hours heh
[18:52:43] <ssi> agreed
[18:53:07] <furrywolf> yeah, 2000 is pretty low. I have a honda out front with 9000 hours on it... and an electrical failure, not a mechanical one.
[18:53:42] <malcom2073> coudl be how they get around the buildup: Call it end-of-life before it becomes an issue heh
[18:54:24] <furrywolf> could also be there's wear or other issues with the random fuels... they're using the lightest engine they could find to start with, so it's already marginally built.
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[18:55:34] <furrywolf> If I were building it, I'd use the electric heater and high pressure injector method, and make it fuel injected with a little lipo pack inside it somewhere. 200W for the heater is well within the range of a small lipo pack, even with electric start too.
[18:55:53] <furrywolf> no carb, and electronic spark control...
[18:57:12] <furrywolf> note that honda currently sells fuel-injected generators, so it's not an abnormal tech requirement.
[18:58:04] <furrywolf> of course, by the time you go for high-pressure injection into the intake, you might as well bore another hole in the head and go for direct injection... and then you might as well just build a diesel... :P
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[18:59:20] <furrywolf> I was thinking the other day of bolting some of my spare eu3000is parts to my yanmar diesel generator... make a diesel inverter generator.
[19:01:41] <furrywolf> I have a mil surplus 24V 100A DC generator... I think I could easily fit the eu3000 parts into it without removing the 24v alternator, making it put out both 120 and 24...
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[19:04:54] <malcom2073> Nice
[19:06:04] <furrywolf> my biggest complaint about that generator is it's a fucking pain in the ass to start. pull start diesel = BAD IDEA.
[19:06:36] <furrywolf> and I don't think the eu3000 starter is going to crank over a diesel. that thing takes about ten times the torque...
[19:08:02] <SpeedEvil> Well, 24V battery, ...
[19:08:48] <furrywolf> the starter motor in the eu3000 is about 3" long and 1.5" around. it's not going to live long off double voltage trying to start a diesel. :P
[19:09:30] <SpeedEvil> I was meaning the generator
[19:09:45] <furrywolf> it has no easy provision for adding electric start
[19:10:13] <furrywolf> the engine came in two versions, pull start or electric start, and the blocks are different...
[19:10:29] <furrywolf> so anything I add will be entirely external, custom fab work.
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[19:20:46] <Rab> Hand crank!
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[19:23:10] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/Yanmar%20Starting%20Instructions.png http://fw.bushytails.net/Yanmar%20Starting%20Instructions%202.png the very japanese starting instructions
[19:25:31] <furrywolf> the drawing in the exact middle of the first one is probably my favorite part of it. :P
[19:26:22] <furrywolf> along with "use two hands".
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[19:28:20] <furrywolf> also, their comparrison of the energy needed to a rocket achieving escape velocity is suiting...
[19:43:28] <XXCoder> lol
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[20:06:05] <aventtini> hello friends
[20:11:26] <Poma> Greetings
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[20:15:42] <aventtini> by any chance anyone have a Indramat TRK6 manual?
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[20:24:59] <Computer_barf> http://pastebin.com/FdDsf01G
[20:25:27] <Computer_barf> hmmm getting unknown command on 0 word pretty much everywhere i start it running
[20:25:45] <Computer_barf> perhaps im not saving it correctly in solidcam?
[20:25:52] <cradek> well line 2 is wrong
[20:25:59] <cradek> that's not a valid O word
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[20:26:34] <aventtini> by any chance anyone have a Indramat TRK6 manual?
[20:26:49] <Computer_barf> this is as solidworks is generating it..
[20:27:04] <cradek> welp, it's still wrong
[20:27:29] <cradek> it looks plausible except for line 2
[20:28:42] <Computer_barf> ill try removing that line and running
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[20:35:16] <Computer_barf> ok it runs now, but first thing it does it appears to try to run beyond maximum to the right on the x axis. I assume it must be trying to home via endstops that don't currently exist
[20:35:38] <Roguish> methods: thanks. I think I have samba working. at least for now........
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[20:57:09] <_methods> heheh well glad you got it running hope it stays running
[20:57:13] <Deejay> gn8
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[20:58:30] <_methods> why are you making a rape hook
[20:58:40] <_methods> that's just disturbing
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[21:06:05] <Computer_barf> _methods: rape hook? lol Drape hook!
[21:06:10] <Computer_barf> hook for your drapes
[21:06:43] <Computer_barf> isn't it more disturbing you confused a drape hook for a rape hook
[21:08:58] <Computer_barf> you got me thats my very specifically manufactured rape hook (TM)
[21:09:09] <Computer_barf> for all your raping needs
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[21:11:08] <Computer_barf> but it would be awsome if someone who wouldn't need to look up each gcode could spot where it trying to home
[21:13:45] <_methods> hahah
[21:14:45] <_methods> not sure what you mean trying to home
[21:14:47] <_methods> you home it
[21:15:31] <_methods> does it ask you about changing a tool or anything?
[21:16:03] <_methods> looks like you are doing a tool change then moving to start cutting
[21:17:18] <_methods> i'm assuming that you are using g54 for your workoffset and tool 1 with tool length offset 1
[21:18:09] <_methods> since that is what's in your gcode
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[21:32:00] <Computer_barf> well i don't have a tool changer
[21:32:43] <_methods> N108 M06 T1 (roughing endmill)
[21:32:57] <_methods> that's a tool change command
[21:33:34] <_methods> N114 G43 H1 Z120.
[21:33:49] <Computer_barf> solidcam basically has me create a tool , define all of its traits , so i guess its automatically generating tool changes
[21:33:53] <_methods> that's setting your tool length offset to H1 register
[21:34:19] <_methods> and moving to z120
[21:35:34] <_methods> did you home your machine?
[21:35:59] <Computer_barf> yes
[21:36:32] <_methods> and you touched off on your workpiece?
[21:36:42] <Computer_barf> no
[21:36:53] <Computer_barf> that might be it , but i plan on touching off on air for now
[21:37:16] <Computer_barf> i just want to run the contour of the rape hook in the air first
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[21:38:11] <Computer_barf> perhaps i need to further configure my machine in solidcam
[21:38:14] <_methods> how and where did you home your machine?
[21:39:16] <Computer_barf> i just raised it a good amount off the bed, and put it over theoretically close to where I believe my zero is, back left on the bed
[21:39:36] <Computer_barf> i started the program, and it proceeded to start moving all the way over to the right
[21:39:39] <_methods> ok so nowhere near your workpiece?
[21:39:54] <Computer_barf> i emergency stopped it before it got all the way over
[21:40:00] <_methods> or you homed it over your workpiece?
[21:40:12] <Computer_barf> well , workpiece does not currently exist
[21:40:28] <Computer_barf> im just trying to do some air cutting
[21:40:49] <Computer_barf> im anticipating that the machine is unlikely to do what I want right now
[21:40:54] <_methods> ok so when you load the program in axis it should show a tool where is it in relation to the tool paths
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[21:42:59] <_methods> probably like a cone shape
[21:43:02] <Computer_barf> humm what i see is the standard "linuxcnc" default program, and a yellow line that heads off to the right
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[21:43:18] <_methods> ok so you haven't even loaded your program then
[21:43:45] <Computer_barf> if there is an error on line 89, would that prevent it from loading?
[21:43:52] <_methods> alright so put the machine where you wanted your "home" to be
[21:43:56] <_methods> yeah
[21:45:12] <Computer_barf> "cannot use two gcodes that both use axis values " on line 89
[21:46:03] <_methods> what line is that? the g28g91 lines?
[21:46:13] <_methods> i'd just delete both of those for now
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[21:47:14] <_methods> i'd delete that tool change at the end too
[21:48:53] <Computer_barf> N264 G00 G28 G91 X-15.0 Y0.
[21:49:11] <_methods> yeah just delete that and the one above it
[21:50:10] <Computer_barf> sorry about my speed here, im multitasking a bunch
[21:50:19] <_methods> np doing the same
[21:50:20] <Computer_barf> but yeah removed those codes, reloaded, it shows the profile
[21:50:28] <Computer_barf> so it loads now
[21:50:43] <_methods> k
[21:51:03] <_methods> can you take a screenshot of the axis screen
[21:51:11] <_methods> with the toolpath and tool in it
[21:51:42] <Computer_barf> but im thinking i need to figure out how to get solidcam to not always be making codes that give me errors, at some point at least
[21:51:57] <Computer_barf> sure yes
[21:52:03] <_methods> you can change all that in your post
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[21:55:07] <Computer_barf> the outline looks like my rape hook has been eating alot
[21:55:12] <Computer_barf> http://imgur.com/NyiiYSQ
[21:55:38] <_methods> ah good so it's over your path
[21:55:51] <_methods> that should run for ya just be careful
[21:57:01] <_methods> keep your rapids low and be ready to hit estop till you get used to your machine
[21:57:40] <_methods> when you're proving a program it's best to override feed and rapids until you know it's good
[21:57:57] <Computer_barf> yes it still seems to want to run all the way to the right on the x axis.. it even warns it doesn't fit the machines size
[21:58:37] <Computer_barf> wait
[21:58:51] <Computer_barf> maybe its that my machine is set to inches and the program mm
[21:58:52] <Valen> Computer_barf: inches vs mm?
[21:58:55] <Valen> heh
[21:58:56] <Valen> snap
[21:59:10] <_methods> heh
[21:59:12] <_methods> you in inches
[21:59:27] <_methods> go into mdi and put in g21
[21:59:28] <Computer_barf> yes i find that frustrating , that choice
[22:00:03] <_methods> N1 G90 G17 G40 G80 G00
[22:00:08] <_methods> add g21 to that line
[22:00:18] <_methods> N1 G90 G17 G40 G80 G00 G21
[22:00:39] <Computer_barf> do most of you guys do mm?
[22:00:39] <_methods> then reload the program
[22:00:51] <_methods> i prefer mm
[22:00:54] <Valen> the setup line should always explicitly set the units
[22:00:58] <_methods> but i have to switch all the time
[22:00:59] <Computer_barf> _methods is that to switch to mm or something else?
[22:01:10] <_methods> yes g20 is inches and g21 is mm
[22:01:15] <Valen> nice desktop image btw ;->
[22:01:47] <_methods> i think that default linuxcnc program loads in inches
[22:01:51] <Computer_barf> lol i grabbed that from the g0704 manuel and just inverted the image
[22:01:56] <_methods> so your program didn't specifically change to mm
[22:02:04] <_methods> so it stayed in g20
[22:02:14] <_methods> g20/g21 are modal commands like g0/g1
[22:02:26] <_methods> once set they stay set until changed
[22:03:25] <Computer_barf> is the yellow line where ive been?
[22:03:42] <Computer_barf> like a record of movement
[22:03:46] <_methods> yes
[22:05:10] <Computer_barf> ok now it appears to have moved to a reasonable location , but then the z axis goes up until i tell it it shouldnt go more
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[22:06:19] <Valen> this stuff shouldn't be a mystery ;->
[22:06:34] <Valen> read each line and see what it says
[22:06:57] <Valen> if the first line is g0 z 100 and that isn't right thats the issue ;->
[22:07:04] <_methods> yeah it's that z120 move
[22:07:09] <Computer_barf> i wonder if there is a editor that i can hold the mouse over the diffrent gcode's with a reference
[22:07:46] <_methods> N114 G43 H1 Z120.
[22:07:50] <_methods> delete that line
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[22:07:58] <_methods> you don't need it since you only have 1 tool
[22:08:07] <_methods> and you're not using your tool length offset tables
[22:08:07] <Computer_barf> im anticipating looking up alot of gcodes in the future
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[22:08:15] <Valen> Computer_barf: heh that happens
[22:08:22] <_methods> it's not a 3d printer
[22:08:31] <_methods> you actgually need to know what this stuff means
[22:08:33] <_methods> for cnc
[22:08:33] <Valen> Computer_barf: what post processor did you use?
[22:08:51] <Computer_barf> well im using solidworks + solidcam
[22:08:54] <Valen> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode.html is super helpful ;->
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[22:09:22] <Valen> yeah, normally you have a post-processor to wrap all the g-code in a format your machine can understand
[22:09:32] <Valen> should be part of solidcam
[22:09:33] <Computer_barf> im surprised there isn't a gcode editor with command references
[22:09:38] <_methods> it looks like he used a standard fanuc post
[22:09:53] <_methods> there are hundreds of gcode editors
[22:09:59] <Valen> perhaps have a look at
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/31-cad-cam/1307-solidcam-to-emc2-post-processor
[22:10:26] <Computer_barf> yeah im wondering if there is one specific to my g0704?
[22:10:41] <Valen> doesn't need to be for your machine
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[22:10:48] <Valen> it needs to be specific to linuxcnc
[22:10:56] <Computer_barf> ok cool
[22:11:10] <Valen> linuxcnc needs to be set up for your machine, solidcam needs to be set up for linuxcnc
[22:11:12] <Computer_barf> wait
[22:11:21] <Computer_barf> perhaps the tool offset is still in inches
[22:11:27] <Computer_barf> and that's why its moving up so much
[22:11:34] <_methods> you're telling it to move up
[22:11:50] <_methods> did you remove that g43 line?
[22:12:38] <Computer_barf> not yet , but will , im mostly interested in addressing things that will help me in the long run in having code that works , rather than editing stuff out each time
[22:13:51] <Valen> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/31-cad-cam/1307-solidcam-to-emc2-post-processor?start=20#50615 looks like the place to go
[22:13:58] <Computer_barf> i think i need to digest what has been said a bit.. im slow
[22:14:17] <Valen> just think, its called a "tool *chain*" for a reason ;->
[22:14:28] <_methods> well i highly recommend taking your time
[22:14:57] <_methods> your machine will break things
[22:15:01] <Valen> http://xkcd.com/1536/ so this seems like something I might need to watch
[22:15:37] <_methods> heheh
[22:15:43] <_methods> love xkcd
[22:20:18] <Valen> its the best ad for a movie I have ever seen ;->
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[22:25:08] <Computer_barf> the apollo mission scene.. I was always just kind of shocked they wouldn't have a backup co2 scrubber
[22:25:16] <Computer_barf> i mean if they had the space for all that junk...
[22:26:47] <Computer_barf> idk elysium was pretty bad
[22:28:12] <Computer_barf> the idea that LA will be a craphole in the future BECAUSE rich white people! didn't sit very well with me.
[22:28:41] <_methods> all the rich white people left
[22:29:08] <_methods> it's a shithole because of a rich white person deficiency
[22:29:27] <cradek> I understand LA's already a craphole because of dependency on cars
[22:29:28] <Computer_barf> yeah but i don't find it plausible that their neighborhoods got that shitty because of them.
[22:31:05] <cradek> oh wait, that's the whole US I'm describing, my mistake
[22:31:12] <_methods> heheh
[22:31:36] <_methods> if youjust add more rich white people to the area it will get nice
[22:32:07] <cradek> I think instead of nice you mean expensive
[22:32:32] <cradek> and by adding white people you mean removing black people, right?
[22:33:13] <cradek> we usually carefully euphemize that: "gentrification"
[22:34:02] * cradek likes his diverse neighborhood
[22:34:08] <_methods> like sanfrancisco lol
[22:35:50] <_methods> i always hear them crying about gentrification
[22:36:20] <_methods> and buses
[22:36:54] <_methods> they really hate those google buses lol
[22:37:29] <Computer_barf> what is the google busses
[22:37:47] <_methods> i guess google has private buses for people in san fran
[22:37:59] <_methods> and the people that ride normal buses are upset
[22:38:09] <Computer_barf> oh fuck that
[22:39:14] <Computer_barf> its not a pie to be divided up. make another pie and leave theirs alone.
[22:39:33] <_methods> it doesn't matter what you do anymore someone will cry about it
[22:40:29] <Rab> For example:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/10/tesla_vegan_shareholders_demand_no_more_leather/
[22:40:38] <_methods> there ya have it lol
[22:42:38] <Computer_barf> they could have not choosen to purchase the shares
[22:45:40] <_methods> i'm glad i don't have to deal with that crap
[22:45:51] <_methods> i feel sorry for people that work in office jobs
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[23:07:41] <sliptonic> I'm setting up a scara robot in Machinekit. I've found what looks like a serious bug that I can duplicate in the scara sim config. Could someone try it in linuxcnc and tell me if the behaviour is the same?
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[23:10:10] <CaptHindsight> sliptonic: try pastebin for the config and the mail list, maybe when someone has time or interest they can copy the config and try it
[23:10:53] <sliptonic> CaptHindsight, It's the scara sim config that ships with linuxcnc but I can do it through the mailing list.
[23:11:48] <CaptHindsight> sliptonic: let everyone which config it is. Is there more than one SCARA sim config?
[23:11:59] <CaptHindsight> is it obvious?
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[23:12:30] <sliptonic> sim/axis/vismach/scara/
[23:12:43] <CaptHindsight> great!
[23:13:56] <CaptHindsight> sliptonic: asking on the ML will also increase your odds of someone trying it
[23:14:18] <sliptonic> kk Will do.
[23:15:32] <CaptHindsight> IRC, ML and forums, 3 groups of people that tend to not cross over into the other domains
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[23:21:31] <sliptonic> I jump back and forth but prefer IRC for immediacy.
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[23:27:25] <CaptHindsight> sliptonic: but it's summer for most of us now and we are playing at the beach vs hunkered down in the shop next to a cnc :)
[23:28:24] <sliptonic> And yet here we are :-)
[23:28:40] <CaptHindsight> I just got back from the beach :)
[23:29:23] <CaptHindsight> and by beach I mean 5 hours of driving around the Chicago area in traffic
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