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[00:00:13] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah theres people who want aluminium swarf for their crazy crystal stuff
[00:01:04] <andypugh> We could always give bits of dead robot away
[00:01:09] <furrywolf> XXCoder: no, no... you need to sell it as a priceless collectable, complete with a genuine certificate of authenticity saying it's actually from making some random part of a clock...
[00:01:13] <XXCoder> https://i1.ytimg.com/vi/AE5YBKmGjFY/hqdefault.jpg
[00:01:40] <XXCoder> more crazy stuff
http://www.soul-guidance.com/orgonite/orgonitepic/orgonitepieces.jpg
[00:02:01] <andypugh> When it got really wierd was when folk were asking me for my autograph “But I am just a wierdo with spare time and a workshop, why would you want my autograph"?
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[00:02:28] <XXCoder> the copper wire brings it home even more lol
http://thepromiserevealed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/OrgonePersonalPyramid.jpg
[00:02:52] <XXCoder> there really is no end
http://www.orgonotica.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Coiled-TBs-together-1024x576.jpg lol
[00:03:08] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah thats better plan than buying into that crazy syiff
[00:03:34] <furrywolf> hrmm, I need to pick up a dingleberry hone...
[00:03:34] <XXCoder> I do like the look of them things it looks nice but not buying into crazy crystal stuff lol
[00:03:53] <andypugh> That reminds me. Some friends just celebarated their Silver Wedding. No! I said, it’s your 25th anniversary, that’s Manganese, and sent them some.
[00:04:43] <furrywolf> I'm surprised harbor freight doesn't sell them.
[00:06:02] <zeeshan> lol
[00:06:16] <XXCoder> them crystals furrywolf ?
[00:06:22] <furrywolf> XXCoder: ?
[00:06:30] <furrywolf> oh, no, not crytals, dingleberry hones.
[00:06:34] <XXCoder> ahh
[00:08:01] <furrywolf> I don't want to use my 3-sided stone one, as I want to give it just a very light crosshatch, not take a lot of metal off...
[00:09:29] <andypugh> wrap the three-sided thing in emery paper?
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[00:10:28] <andypugh> Or build a CNC laser device to do the job properly :-)
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[00:11:07] <XXCoder> fur, I was really wondering about your region if you was surpised your local harbor freight didnt supply crystals LOL
[00:11:53] <furrywolf> there's plenty of other stores here selling hippie crystals.
[00:13:03] <XXCoder> yeah but I would really wonder if tools stores was expected to have em too lol
[00:19:31] <zeeshan> use a ball hone
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[00:19:41] <zeeshan> dont f around with a flat hone
[00:19:46] <zeeshan> =/
[00:20:00] <zeeshan> furrywolf: how many cylinder is this engine
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[00:24:07] <furrywolf> 1
[00:24:33] <zeeshan> cute
[00:24:33] <zeeshan> haha
[00:24:48] <zeeshan> you know how we were talking about service manuals andypugh
[00:24:49] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/AlMidJe.png
[00:24:55] <zeeshan> look at how childish gm's manual looks
[00:24:56] <zeeshan> lol
[00:25:13] <zeeshan> it looks SO boring
[00:25:24] <XXCoder> fancy
[00:25:27] <zeeshan> when you zoom in the image
[00:25:32] <furrywolf> eh, looks fairly normal to me.
[00:25:34] <XXCoder> it even includes vowels!
[00:25:35] <zeeshan> the text is not vector graphics
[00:25:37] <zeeshan> its chopped up
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[00:26:19] <furrywolf> so you're complaining about the pirated digital copy, not about GM's efforts designing the manual.
[00:26:31] <furrywolf> if you want vector diagrams, pay for ondemand/shopkey. :P
[00:26:43] <zeeshan> this is their official manual..
[00:27:03] * furrywolf notes ondemand has really shiny color svg wiring diagrams
[00:27:13] <zeeshan> gm manual?
[00:27:30] <furrywolf> dunno, and I'm not going to go fetch my laptop just to check for you. :P
[00:28:43] <zeeshan> this is what im complaning about
[00:28:51] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/RjF4bFX.png <- gm garbage
[00:28:58] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/o01dSeV.png <- subaru soothing to the eyes
[00:29:32] * zeeshan ends complaints
[00:30:17] <Tom_itx> boreing
[00:30:49] <zeeshan> im trying to make a standalone hardness for the engine
[00:30:53] <zeeshan> it is tedious work
[00:30:57] <zeeshan> and boring
[00:30:59] <zeeshan> :-)
[00:33:04] <furrywolf> sec, uploading the ondemand ones I used for my subaru
[00:33:17] <zeeshan> nice
[00:33:23] <furrywolf> when I was making my engine swap harness
[00:33:51] <furrywolf> I found them on the backup of my old laptop drive
[00:34:06] <furrywolf> it's around 2.5MB, so it'll be a while...
[00:35:09] <furrywolf> these are pngs I made for printing... I later figured out how to print the svgs directly, but these still show the style of the diagrams nicely.
[00:36:06] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/eng1-crop1.png http://fw.bushytails.net/eng1-crop2.png
[00:36:34] <zeeshan> very nice.
[00:36:36] <furrywolf> grr
[00:36:37] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/eng1-crop1.png http://fw.bushytails.net/eng2-crop1.png
[00:36:48] <andypugh> zeeshan: The Yamaha ones (from 10 years ago) are surprisingly good.
http://imagebin.ca/v/24TH9USAxXYK
[00:36:55] <XXCoder> very nicely styled
[00:37:01] <zeeshan> broken link and
[00:37:04] <andypugh> (you need to click the link and download, I think)
[00:37:21] <furrywolf> the color is very nice when you're holding a 2" bundle of wires and trying to figure out what to do next. :P
[00:37:38] <zeeshan> furrywolf: i always try to isolate each circuit
[00:37:42] <zeeshan> not cross wires like you've got
[00:37:48] <zeeshan> it takes more space , a lot more
[00:37:52] <zeeshan> but its easier to follow for me
[00:38:00] <furrywolf> I didn't make the diagrams. lol
[00:38:03] <zeeshan> oh
[00:38:03] <andypugh> zeeshan: ie, click the missing-link question mark
[00:38:07] <furrywolf> those are the ones ondemand/shopkey gives
[00:38:26] <zeeshan> andypugh it downloads a file with no extension
[00:38:27] <zeeshan> lol
[00:38:30] <furrywolf> they also have individual diagrams for subsystems that are a lot less congested... that's the engine management overview diagram.
[00:38:30] <zeeshan> what was the original extension
[00:38:36] <andypugh> pdf
[00:38:48] <zeeshan> wow dude
[00:38:50] <zeeshan> that is NICE
[00:39:12] <zeeshan> that is really impressive
[00:39:19] <zeeshan> they even color the connectors.
[00:39:43] <andypugh> It helps that there are not _that_ many wires in a bike.
[00:39:59] <zeeshan> instead of numbers
[00:40:03] <zeeshan> it';d be nice to have labels there for the loads
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[00:40:32] <furrywolf> alldata gives diagrams like the gm one you pasted, ondemand gives the shiny color svg ones...
[00:40:40] <furrywolf> having both is often helpful.
[00:40:48] <XXCoder> you has access to either now?
[00:40:54] <furrywolf> not in front of me
[00:40:58] <XXCoder> ok
[00:41:11] <zeeshan> lemme show you mitusbishi.
[00:41:21] <zeeshan> i think they are really top notch diagrams, minus the fact they dont have color like andy's
[00:41:27] <zeeshan> if they had that, they would be perfect.
[00:41:30] <furrywolf> bbl, I should be dicking around with the generator, not ircing...
[00:42:19] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/dksaVDc.png
[00:42:38] <zeeshan> cmon, you gotta be impressed by it
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[00:50:38] <zeeshan> dont do it!
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[00:58:35] <andypugh> zeeshan: It’s a decent diagram
[00:59:08] <andypugh> We got the development ones as ludicrously large TIFFs. Like, a 20MB image.
[00:59:47] <zeeshan> you guys design all of ford's electrical stuff?
[00:59:48] <andypugh> You need a special viewer to open them. I have no idea whay they can’t use something sensible.
[01:00:33] <andypugh> I don’t design any electrical stuff, but I think the wiring is all designed on-house, but made extrnally.
[01:02:50] <zeeshan> makes more sense to outsource it
[01:03:03] <zeeshan> theres companies that specifically make harnesses
[01:03:07] <andypugh> I think the looms are mainly made by Lear
[01:03:09] <zeeshan> we used anixter
[01:04:02] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ozwxnur.png
[01:04:03] <andypugh> Lear employ nearly as many people as Ford
[01:04:09] <zeeshan> im so rusty in reading diagrams
[01:04:18] <zeeshan> kinda lost as to what is going on with the ign s/w
[01:04:45] * zeeshan hasn't heard of lear before
[01:05:07] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lear_Corporation
[01:05:10] <zeeshan> looks like they do seats too
[01:05:31] <andypugh> That’s a terrible diagram of the ignition switch
[01:05:37] <zeeshan> i agree
[01:05:44] <zeeshan> im lost when the switch goes from off to "ACC"
[01:05:48] <zeeshan> what is exactly being powered
[01:06:04] <zeeshan> they dont have a line going to anything :p
[01:06:24] <zeeshan> i think when it's in "ig2" both ACCessory and the engine fuse 15A sees power
[01:06:35] <zeeshan> and when ig1 , the starter gets power.
[01:06:42] <andypugh> I guess that the arrow swings from off, to Acc, to IG2 to Sart
[01:07:00] <zeeshan> but why the "starter cut relay"
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[01:07:07] <zeeshan> its normally closed..
[01:07:34] <zeeshan> so when you're in start mode, as long as you got the clutch depressed, it powers the stater solenoid
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[01:07:42] <andypugh> Opened by the PCM to inhibit start maybe?
[01:07:50] <zeeshan> but when you're in ig2 mode, it opens up
[01:07:59] <XXCoder> interesting.
http://hackaday.com/2015/06/07/diy-mdf-cnc-machine-is-small-and-solid/
[01:08:05] <XXCoder> be back
[01:08:10] <zeeshan> yes, but wouldn't switching from start to ig2 disable the starter by itself?
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[01:08:17] <zeeshan> or they being paranoid :p
[01:09:06] <andypugh> They want to be able to stop you cranking too long and melting the motor, amongst other things.
[01:10:01] <andypugh> You need to try quite hard to re-start after tripping the crash switch (you can, but the standard is to make you try a few times)
[01:10:50] <Tom_itx> preventing hit and runs?
[01:11:00] <andypugh> And driving off half-dead
[01:11:23] <andypugh> Or with fewer wheels than normal
[01:11:56] <andypugh> A lot of this stuff has accreted as standards and is law, or nearly law
[01:11:57] <Tom_itx> i suppose they wouldn't get far anyway
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[01:18:37] <andypugh> Right, time to stop this
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[01:36:34] <cradek> that's what she said
[01:39:17] <furrywolf> engine all apart, piston out... nothing majorly wrong... except the oil ring assembley seems to be the exact same diameter as the piston!
[01:39:34] <zeeshan> look at the gap
[01:39:42] <zeeshan> how are you measuring diameter
[01:39:46] <zeeshan> that thing is a flimsy pos
[01:39:46] <zeeshan> ;p
[01:40:11] <furrywolf> eye. it's not stuck - I can wiggle it side to side freely - but it doesn't extend past the sides of the groove at all when centered.
[01:40:22] <cradek> that ain't right
[01:40:44] <zeeshan> https://www.hastingsmfg.com/dev/images/Aftermarket_new/pic_oil_rings.jpg
[01:40:46] <zeeshan> does it look like this
[01:40:58] <zeeshan> http://www.handymanlyness.com/archives/auto/repair/engine_mech/rebuild_01/02/emcrrb14bro_engine_rebuild_99_Jimmy.jpg
[01:41:09] <furrywolf> yes
[01:41:55] <furrywolf> I don't need to measure the gap to know that a ring that doesn't stick out past the groove isn't doing its job. :)
[01:43:18] <furrywolf> the bore is glazed but no major damage. a few light scrapes and a few spots that looks like it rusted briefly, but nothing that won't vanish with the first pass of a ball hone.
[01:43:24] <humble_sea_bass> what kind of engine are you working over
[01:43:38] <furrywolf> humble_sea_bass: a honda eu3000is generator, with a gx200 engine.
[01:43:44] <zeeshan> heres a sample
[01:43:56] <zeeshan> piston ring end gap standard value 0.004 - 0.0015
[01:44:00] <zeeshan> service value 0.03
[01:44:03] <zeeshan> "
[01:44:11] <zeeshan> 0.015 not 0.0015
[01:44:20] <furrywolf> I think mine is closer to .1. :P
[01:44:24] <zeeshan> hahaha
[01:44:33] <furrywolf> for the oil ring. I didn't compress the compression rings to check them.
[01:44:34] <humble_sea_bass> those are fun little engines
[01:44:42] <Tom_itx> 2 rings offset with a spring spacer?
[01:44:44] <zeeshan> put the piston upside down and measure it
[01:44:48] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: yes
[01:44:59] <Tom_itx> parts available?
[01:45:00] <zeeshan> by upside down i mean shove the ring in the bore
[01:45:01] <humble_sea_bass> they remind me of the briggs & strattons we used to use in college for crappy racers
[01:45:04] <zeeshan> and use the piston to square it
[01:45:05] <zeeshan> and measure
[01:45:07] <furrywolf> Tom_itx: yes
[01:45:22] <Tom_itx> spin them so the gap is opposite and you may get a few more days from it
[01:45:52] <furrywolf> humble_sea_bass: imho, the hondas are a lot better built than a briggs. heh. briggs are nice in that you can abuse them and they keep working, but they really aren't built that well... and whomever designed the pulsajet carb needs to be clubbed.
[01:46:16] <furrywolf> briggs are really good at mostly working.
[01:46:24] <furrywolf> they're not very good at really working. :P
[01:46:38] <humble_sea_bass> agreed. The briggs are just SAE student car standard usually
[01:47:11] <humble_sea_bass> you can fiddle with them all you want, and trying to get proper injection working is something a lot of students waste a lot a time on
[01:47:26] <furrywolf> the big end has some slight scuffs, but nothing I'd feel bad about putting back together.
[01:47:56] <furrywolf> unfortunately, rings for this particular piston are expensive. I can buy a complete chinese piston, rings, rod, etc set for the same price. not sure which I should do.
[01:48:11] <furrywolf> $#@$@#ing california-only piston.
[01:48:27] <humble_sea_bass> wait cali has different pistons
[01:48:30] <furrywolf> hrmm, or is it the california one? sec, checking book.
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[01:49:03] <furrywolf> humble_sea_bass: yep. lower oil burning, less blowby to meet ca emissions requirements, at the expense of power, economy, and life expectancy...
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[01:49:52] <humble_sea_bass> i had no idea that the piston was the sacrificial lamb in the Cali emissions pire
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[01:50:36] <zeeshan> found out the reason for the starter cut relay.
[01:50:40] <zeeshan> it's for antitheft.
[01:51:42] <humble_sea_bass> If the bore is the same, what keeps a man from just ordering a non-cali piston and letting that engine live the rest of its life in peace
[01:51:56] <furrywolf> yes, it's the california piston. it has thinner rings. top .96mm instead of 1.46mm, second .95mm instead of 1.45mm, oil .405mm instead of .46mm.
[01:52:24] <furrywolf> an extra 1mm of space between the top ring and the top of the piston
[01:53:35] <furrywolf> the other big difference is the generator has a complete evap system, with a charcoal canister, sealed fuel cap, vent lines, purge lines, etc.
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[01:59:36] <furrywolf> what does thinner rings do, exactly? my best guess is the thinness makes them scrape the cylinder wall tighter, but then I figure the extra spring of the thicker ring would make it balance out...
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[02:08:56] <zeeshan> yea i'd think that too!
[02:09:02] <zeeshan> less surface area of contact of the ring
[02:09:05] <zeeshan> so more pressure
[02:09:07] <zeeshan> i dunno :P
[02:15:04] <furrywolf> I just know I hate california more the longer I live here. :P
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[02:49:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2011/02/how-piston-rings-affect-horsepower/
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[02:50:43] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if there are more difference in the cylinders and pistons that you haven't realized yet
[02:51:52] <CaptHindsight> my guess is that they are more paranoid/concerned about keeping oil out of the combustion and also combustion out of the oil
[02:54:30] <furrywolf> zeeshan: as I expected, with feelers in the end gap, it's not "which", but "how many"... top to bottom .025, .058, .045. service manual says .040 is the limit, but the oil rings are so bad they simply drop into the cylinder...
[02:55:08] <englishman> haha nice
[02:55:50] <furrywolf> As I said before, I didn't need to actually measure to know that any ring that doesn't stick out beyond the piston is seriously worn. :)
[02:56:07] <cradek> what can cause that? is it just wear?
[02:56:13] <furrywolf> yes
[02:56:44] <furrywolf> generators here are often used by pot growers, who run them 24/7 at as much power as they can without the overload tripping.
[02:57:12] <cradek> it's surprising it was run for very long in the "fogging the whole neighborhood" condition
[02:57:17] <furrywolf> one of the other ones I have in the pile has an hour counter... I don't remember the exact number, but around 9000 hours.
[02:57:24] <cradek> wow
[02:57:32] <furrywolf> cradek: the "neighborhood" is usually on the back side of a hill with no neighbors for miles.
[02:57:44] <cradek> I guess excessive power use is a way they find the growers
[02:57:57] <cradek> not excessive gasoline use (which is totally american)
[02:58:04] <furrywolf> the one with 9000 hours seems to have a bad inverter. I haven't done any testing of the engine yet.
[02:58:29] <furrywolf> the people with generators often don't have power available. too far in the woods. this is a very rural area.
[02:58:57] <furrywolf> specifically, the guy I got it from said the inverter was bad, and I stuck the inverter in another unit with a good engine and no power came out...
[02:59:19] <CaptHindsight> I'd think that someone would have spliced the genes responsible for THC production into garden plants by now
[02:59:37] <furrywolf> you think potheads can do complex things? :P
[02:59:55] <furrywolf> getting between the sofa and the fridge for more munchies is hard enough...
[03:00:51] <englishman> id think pot growers would just buy new stuff
[03:01:06] <furrywolf> and they do. which is why I have a pile of 8 broken generators. :P
[03:01:16] <englishman> aha
[03:01:26] <furrywolf> actually, 7 broken generators. I moved one of them to the "working" pile. so far it's the only one there.
[03:01:27] <englishman> :)
[03:03:51] <furrywolf> it needs a couple fine-tuning things - the valve cover gasket seeps slightly, and I got the mounting bushings for the starter assembley in backwards - but it's otherwise ready to go.
[03:04:27] <furrywolf> (the bushings go in either way, and it works perfectly this way, but I checked the diagram afterwards and it says they're backwards, so I figure I might as well flip them over...)
[03:06:09] <furrywolf> so... should I just buy rings, or should I get a complete chinese piston with rings?
[03:06:38] <furrywolf> the chinese new piston with new rings, new pin, new rod, and new gaskets, costs $2 less than new rings for this piston.
[03:06:45] <Tom_itx> how much wear is on the ring lands?
[03:06:56] <furrywolf> they look fine, but I didn't measure.
[03:06:58] <englishman> china piston every time
[03:06:58] <Tom_itx> the piston is probably ok
[03:07:11] <Tom_itx> skirt worn?
[03:07:16] <englishman> better if you can get jug with it
[03:07:24] <furrywolf> normally I figure oem lasts longer, but this is the stupid california piston with extra-thin rings...
[03:08:00] <englishman> after 9000 hours the cylinder is probably egg shaped
[03:08:15] <furrywolf> skirt has a bit of polishing, enough that the lathe-turned texture on the non-loaded sides is not visible.
[03:08:31] <furrywolf> this isn't the one with 9000 hours. it doesn't have an hour counter.
[03:11:14] <furrywolf> it has enough hours I was able to stick two .010s, a .011, a .012, and a .013 in the .020 end gap... or maybe it was a .015 or something. I don't remember. lol
[03:12:24] * furrywolf already could see by eye that the gap was way too large, so wasn't paying too much attention measuring
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[03:23:01] <tjtr33> an interesting analog i/o dev card using fpga redpitaya.com ( red pitaya is the 'dragon fruit' weird red skinned white polka dotted flesh fruit )
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[03:23:21] <tjtr33> 500$ or so, but very flexible
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[04:03:48] <chopper79> Hello, I was wondering if anybody could help me out real quick. I have a 5i25 with a 7i76 plug and play combo. I can not get pncconf to show the smart serial tab in the setup. I have applied field power to the 7i76 but it does not activate the smart serial tab in pncconf. Any ideas?
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[04:04:58] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVrJUbeuG44&feature=youtu.be
[04:05:01] <XXCoder> lazer power
[04:07:59] <pcw_home> chopper79: I dont think pncconf looks at anything live related to sserial
[04:08:08] <furrywolf> it needs an auto-focus system
[04:08:52] <englishman> anyone got any serious opinions or experience with cnc6040 stuff
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[04:10:06] <chopper79> pcw_home: when I choose the 5i25 and then the 7i76x2 daughter board I get the two i/o connector tabs but that is it. I have selected 1 encoder and that encoder does not show up on the i/o tabs. I figured it would have a smart serial tab like my 5i25-7i77 setup
[04:11:41] <pcw_home> did you select
[04:11:43] <pcw_home> Board name: 5i25 internal data
[04:11:44] <pcw_home> Firmware: 7i76x2 With One 7i76
[04:11:46] <pcw_home> and then accept selections
[04:12:45] <pcw_home> If I do that I get 3 tabs, con 2, con 3 and 7i76 I/O SS#0
[04:13:04] <chopper79> pcw_home: Yes to all, but no ss tab
[04:13:28] <chopper79> I have con 2 con 3 and that is all
[04:13:41] <pcw_home> must be a pncconf bug (it works on the latest)
[04:13:57] <pcw_home> (I'm running master)
[04:14:57] <chopper79> im on 10.04 (2.5) still. My 5i25/7i77 setup configures fine on 10.04 (2.5) so I figured this setup would also.
[04:15:06] <chopper79> different pc though
[04:15:27] <chopper79> maybe the pc is not seeing the 5i25?
[04:15:38] <pcw_home> Yeah pncconf bug probably should update pncconf
[04:15:49] <chopper79> lspci -v does not list a mesa card by name anyway
[04:15:56] <furrywolf> I should get a hot tub.
[04:16:14] <pcw_home> (not hardware related I can run PNCCONF here and get the ss tab without a 5i25 at all)
[04:16:17] <chopper79> I have no lights on the 5i25 either. Only on initial fire up on pc then the leds go out.
[04:16:24] <chopper79> oh..ok
[04:16:27] <pcw_home> thats correct
[04:17:24] <chopper79> the 7i76 has both yellow led . w2 is getting power from 5i25 and the field is powered with 12v.
[04:18:01] <chopper79> I guess i need to upgrade to the new version maybe. worked fine on other pc, just no this one i guess
[04:18:07] <pcw_home> lspci -v shoud show the PCI/DevID
[04:18:17] <chopper79> one sec i will check
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[04:18:39] <pcw_home> Theoretically you could just update pncconf
[04:19:25] <pcw_home> lspci -vn | grep 2718:5125
[04:19:58] <chopper79> the only thing that seems like it would be the 5i25 is the following: dpio module: device 2718:5125
[04:20:10] <chopper79> yup i guess it sees it
[04:20:15] <pcw_home> Yep thats it
[04:20:24] <chopper79> Well I will upgrade pncconf then
[04:20:40] <chopper79> just upgrade through terminal?
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[04:20:46] <furrywolf> I need to upgrade my mesa board to "existant".
[04:21:06] <pcw_home> Like I said pncconf should run to that point even without the card at all
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[04:21:10] <rootB> is anyone here LinuxCNC?
[04:21:12] <chopper79> sudo apt-get upgrade pncconf ?
[04:21:19] <pcw_home> maybe
[04:21:20] <rootB> I own a Shapeoko 2 myself, a small CNC DIY machine
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[04:21:31] <XXCoder> furrywolf: yeah green dead tree and wool minerials is required as reagents to summon one
[04:21:34] <XXCoder> heh
[04:21:39] <rootB> But I've notice that calibrating it and adjusting it is a pain in the ass and since I've use it for projects there's a lot of busted things in it
[04:21:49] <rootB> Would you guys suggest me to fix it up or buy another one?
[04:22:26] <chopper79> well i typed that and its doing something... I will report back in a couple minutes.
[04:24:50] <rootB> Or would you guys need pictures to help me out?
[04:27:02] <chopper79> rootB: I say if the frame is good, buy some new electronics and fix it up. I did a conversion for a buddy on a shapeoko to linuxcnc and he has not looked back since
[04:27:45] <chopper79> pcw_home: it may be a bit, looks like a lot of upgrades going on
[04:27:49] <rootB> The rails are good and so, I'd need to replace the delrin wheels and the screws since they're not precision screws
[04:28:13] <rootB> get a new board and NEMA 23 motors
[04:29:04] <chopper79> yup, fix up what you have if you can. the buddy I did the conversion for is wicked happy running linuxcnc on his.
[04:29:44] <rootB> Alright
[04:29:49] <rootB> does he mill metal on his machine?
[04:30:24] <chopper79> He has tried but the machine is to flimsy for that (personally)
[04:30:39] <rootB> I see
[04:30:47] <rootB> I've seen some people cutting aluminium with it and so
[04:31:44] <chopper79> yeah , people have and do. they also wear out their machines fast. To cut metal and have a good finish you need mass to absorb the cut forces involved when cutting metals.
[04:32:07] <rootB> I see
[04:32:27] <rootB> So the most effective way to mill metal is with a plasma cutter then?
[04:32:32] <chopper79> I have multiple machines and I sometimes cut aluminum but it still does not cut as good as a small bench top mill
[04:32:40] <chopper79> depends on your needs
[04:33:34] <rootB> Alright, well Im gonna try to upgrade my machine when I got the money
[04:33:46] <chopper79> plasma is nice, but i see plasma as weld ready parts and will not have a machine type finish
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[04:43:58] <XXCoder> furrywolf: I know, im talking about typical mill
[04:51:56] <toastyde2th> 2.5d refers to a very specific type of servo drive on milling machines that most machines do not have
[04:52:46] <toastyde2th> (not that it super-matters here but just for general knowledge)
[04:54:32] <norias> what's the difference?
[04:55:13] <toastyde2th> 2.5d controls have 2 servo drive cards and a matrix switch
[04:55:26] <toastyde2th> so they have 3 axes but only 2 drivers
[04:55:51] <toastyde2th> and a line of g-code may contain only two axes of control
[04:56:16] <norias> huh.
[04:56:28] <norias> so, the machine itself is really 2.5d, then
[04:56:30] <XXCoder> interesting. I was reffering to fact that mills can do "top part" of sphere
[04:56:31] <toastyde2th> yup
[04:56:55] <norias> i've heard of machines that were only 2.5d, but i never knew why
[04:56:59] <toastyde2th> you'll also see it written 2+1 sometimes, but the "+" notation usually refers to a non-cutting axis
[04:57:08] <toastyde2th> rather than a non-contouring axis
[04:57:33] <norias> i've seen more 3+1
[04:57:37] <toastyde2th> it's way more common in multiaxis machines, you'll often see cheaper 5 axis mills as 3+2
[04:57:42] <norias> or even 3+2
[04:57:49] <norias> yeah
[04:57:51] <toastyde2th> where there are a full 5 servo control cards
[04:58:07] <norias> so, it's to save on cards?
[04:58:08] <toastyde2th> but the axis can only rapid move
[04:58:21] <toastyde2th> the 2.5d is for cost, yes
[04:58:23] <norias> i've been told on some machines
[04:58:32] <norias> it's the motors are not continuous duty rated
[04:58:38] <toastyde2th> 3+1 or 3+2 is for either cost savings, or for high accuracy
[04:58:51] <norias> hmm. ok
[04:58:53] <toastyde2th> an indexing table is farrrr more accurate than a contouring table
[04:58:55] <chopper79> pcw_home: Upgrade worked now it shows the smart serial tab. thank you sir
[04:59:03] <furrywolf> speaking of multi-axis... for cncing a rotary table, I always see ones with manual locking clamps... I assume these have too much slop unlocked to be cnced usefully?
[04:59:05] <norias> i can see the logic there
[04:59:14] <toastyde2th> furrywolf, generally yesw
[04:59:39] <toastyde2th> you CAN cnc with them as long as you don't change direction; you basically have to treat it like you would any non-backlash-nut leadscrew axis
[04:59:52] <toastyde2th> also avoid climb milling and so on
[04:59:59] <furrywolf> so where do I get an affordable good-for-cnc 6" table? heh
[05:00:18] <toastyde2th> good luck, unfortuantely
[05:00:45] <XXCoder> furrywolf: jst a table
[05:00:46] <XXCoder> ?
[05:01:00] <toastyde2th> if you can find an older rotary table *with* backlash adjustment, it will work
[05:01:01] <XXCoder> can do curb hunting find some old kitchen table or something lol
[05:01:17] <toastyde2th> there are also older rotabs with drive nuts on them
[05:01:21] <furrywolf> XXCoder: please read more than just a few words out of a line. :P
[05:01:21] <toastyde2th> that were actually built to be driven
[05:01:31] <XXCoder> I did
[05:01:45] <XXCoder> wasnt sure what you meant "good for cnc 6" table"
[05:01:50] <toastyde2th> if you plan on keeping it light, even a shitty rotab will cnc
[05:02:06] <furrywolf> so what part of "for cncing a rotary table" turned into "some old kitchen table or something"? lol
[05:02:07] <toastyde2th> just don't reverse direction, don't climb mill, and give light thumb pressure on the brake
[05:02:43] <chopper79> When configuring the pncconf. I have 1 encoder enabled, and I want to use that for the THCAD300 signal in. what should I select out of the available options?
[05:02:59] <XXCoder> ahh
[05:03:41] <furrywolf> I'm guessing any kind of direct belt drive without a worm reduction would be too sloppy and chatter?
[05:04:04] <XXCoder> what about those umm toothed belt type?
[05:04:09] <toastyde2th> furrywolf, far too sloppy
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[05:04:49] <furrywolf> I have some worm boxes, but none have adjustable backlash
[05:05:06] <furrywolf> only thing I have with adjustable backlash is subaru windshield wiper motors. :)
[05:05:14] <toastyde2th> most decent older worm-driven rotabs have backlash adjusters
[05:05:16] <furrywolf> (because subaru liked overengineering everything)
[05:05:18] <toastyde2th> they're also heavy as fuck
[05:05:25] <XXCoder> wiper motor cnc ;)
[05:06:10] <zeeshan> spin it one way
[05:06:10] <zeeshan> :p
[05:06:40] <furrywolf> zeeshan: did you see the ring end gap measurements?
[05:06:45] <zeeshan> yes massive
[05:06:48] <XXCoder> oh yeah!
[05:06:57] <XXCoder> zeeshan: I checked oil cap thing
[05:07:10] <zeeshan> what did you find out
[05:07:10] <XXCoder> vacuum thats constant
[05:07:20] <zeeshan> can you feel strong pulses?
[05:07:23] <XXCoder> nope
[05:07:28] <zeeshan> hm
[05:07:46] <zeeshan> if youre feeling vacuum
[05:07:51] <zeeshan> that means your pcv is working too
[05:07:52] <zeeshan> lol
[05:08:11] <XXCoder> oxy sensors?
[05:08:23] <zeeshan> well you said its blue smoke
[05:08:29] <zeeshan> oxy sensors will give you black smoke
[05:08:32] <zeeshan> from running too rich
[05:08:37] <XXCoder> no, only light gray and small amount
[05:08:42] <zeeshan> bad o2 sensors
[05:08:44] <XXCoder> not very often either
[05:08:48] <zeeshan> well its a 96+
[05:08:58] <zeeshan> youd get an engine light if sensor failed
[05:09:21] <XXCoder> only lights I get is p0400 flow problem with egr
[05:09:32] <zeeshan> b/s code :p
[05:09:37] <toastyde2th> lol
[05:09:42] <toastyde2th> any p04xx
[05:09:49] <toastyde2th> "welp, could be literally anything"
[05:09:53] <XXCoder> I wish it said 401 or 402
[05:09:56] <furrywolf> egr stuck open can cause rich condition, but you'd usually end up with a fuel trim code.
[05:09:57] <toastyde2th> "turns out my tire wasn't bolted on properly"
[05:10:05] <XXCoder> not 400 which means either underflow or too much
[05:10:16] <zeeshan> fak egr and nox reduction!
[05:10:19] <XXCoder> furrywolf: it passed test so not sure whats going on
[05:10:29] <zeeshan> i'd drive it and monitor your oil level
[05:10:31] <XXCoder> it stalled with vacuum too early
[05:10:34] <zeeshan> after you put 500 miles on it
[05:10:45] <zeeshan> if your oil level hasn;'t gone done by a lot, i wouldnt worry about it :P
[05:10:58] <XXCoder> im not sure if its major problem
[05:11:08] <furrywolf> worn valve guides will cause oil burning with no blowby issues
[05:11:12] <zeeshan> yea
[05:11:19] <zeeshan> i personally think its a valve steam seal
[05:11:26] <zeeshan> those nissans destroy them all the time
[05:11:29] <XXCoder> it is 190k mile van after all so probably
[05:11:30] <furrywolf> if you're bored, pull your spark plugs and see if they're oil fouled or not.
[05:11:39] <XXCoder> furrywolf: hmm old ones was
[05:11:40] <zeeshan> fak im stupid
[05:11:42] <zeeshan> thats a GOOD one
[05:11:49] <furrywolf> the best option, however, is just to drive it until it becomes an actual problem. :P
[05:12:03] <zeeshan> were they soaked in oil on the electrode?
[05:12:05] <zeeshan> or the threads
[05:12:11] <furrywolf> the best way of prioritizing problems is to wait and see which ones get worse. :P
[05:12:36] <XXCoder> electrode, one thing is cyl #4 sparkplug is in "danger zone" for stripping
[05:12:43] <XXCoder> it was so hard getting it out and in
[05:12:59] <XXCoder> so less remove/reinsert the better
[05:13:01] <zeeshan> check all the others
[05:13:01] <zeeshan> lol
[05:13:04] <furrywolf> so someone crossthreaded it
[05:13:05] <zeeshan> except that one :P
[05:13:18] <XXCoder> fur likely. its not quite all way in
[05:13:21] <furrywolf> they just spin freely except for the last/first half turn
[05:13:25] <XXCoder> I'd guess few mm short
[05:13:36] <furrywolf> if they don't, they're dirty or crossthreaded.
[05:13:46] <zeeshan> http://www.dragstuff.com/images/plugs/110505-909-n3.jpg
[05:13:48] <zeeshan> did it look like this
[05:13:57] <XXCoder> dirtier
[05:14:04] <zeeshan> wetter?
[05:14:12] <XXCoder> not sure its been a bit
[05:14:15] <XXCoder> but darker yes
[05:14:20] <XXCoder> cyl 4 was so bad
[05:14:23] <furrywolf> speaking of oil fouling plugs, the generator managed to completely black glop the spark plug in the 15 mins I ran it.
[05:14:42] <zeeshan> http://www.carbasics.co.uk/spark_plug_inspection_1.jpg
[05:14:48] <zeeshan> this is what a normal running plug should look like
[05:15:00] <furrywolf> so you have an old engine that burns some oil. as long as you can see out your back window, and don't need to refill it every time you get gas, keep driving it. :P
[05:15:07] <XXCoder> 3 was like that just little bit blacker
[05:15:15] <furrywolf> a quart of Lucas can also work wonders
[05:15:17] <XXCoder> LOT more miles I guess
[05:15:20] <XXCoder> LUCAS?
[05:15:44] <XXCoder> zeeshan: #4 had some goop, could rub bit off
[05:15:51] <XXCoder> other 2 has thin coating of it
[05:16:05] <XXCoder> remaining 3 just bit more black than your good one
[05:16:12] <furrywolf> http://lucasoil.com/products/engine-oil-additives/lucas-heavy-duty-oil-stabilizer
[05:16:44] <zeeshan> XXCoder: if its a valve steam seal
[05:16:51] <zeeshan> you'll eventually start mis firing
[05:16:51] <zeeshan> ;p
[05:17:14] <furrywolf> it won't misfire until it completely fouls the plug.
[05:17:21] <zeeshan> oh trust meeeeee
[05:17:26] <zeeshan> when that shit drowns in oil
[05:17:29] <zeeshan> it'll complain
[05:17:31] <zeeshan> :D
[05:17:43] <XXCoder> I wonder if "pissed idle" is slight misfires
[05:17:53] <zeeshan> youll get a code
[05:18:05] <zeeshan> i think you need like 4 misfires in a certain crank rotation to throw a code
[05:18:05] <furrywolf> I've driven vehicles with severe oil consumption issues, including valve guides. it won't misfire until the plug isn't sparking.
[05:18:10] <XXCoder> pissed off idle is one thing I want to stop, I hate it
[05:18:28] <zeeshan> XXCoder: when do you notice the smoke
[05:18:40] <XXCoder> not sure its hard to catch
[05:18:51] <XXCoder> its so thin if vans moving it dont shpw up
[05:18:59] <XXCoder> and when its parjked after drive it dont show up
[05:19:02] <zeeshan> if its valve steam seals
[05:19:11] <zeeshan> youll notice it right away @ cold start
[05:19:41] <furrywolf> consider a 2-stroke will happily burn a 10:1 fuel:oil mix... the equivalent of burning over a gallon of oil with every tank of gas... it takes a lot of oil burning before it directly causes misses.
[05:19:50] <XXCoder> probably not then since its pissed off idle only when warmed up
[05:20:02] <zeeshan> furrywolf: im referring to fouled plugs
[05:20:05] <zeeshan> causing misfire
[05:20:12] <zeeshan> not direction oil mixture causing misifire
[05:20:15] <zeeshan> direction = direct
[05:20:23] <furrywolf> if it's intake valve stem seals, you'll notice a puff when you first accelerate after coasting down a long hill using engine braking. if it's rings, it'll smoke worst at full throttle, continually.
[05:20:47] <furrywolf> zeeshan: and like the 2-stroke that runs happily, it takes a while to foul a plug. :P
[05:20:55] <zeeshan> furrywolf: what do you think is the reason that you get a shit load of oil burning
[05:20:58] <zeeshan> when you're off throttle
[05:21:00] <XXCoder> definitely not rings, it never snokes at trottle as well as passing case vacuum test
[05:21:01] <zeeshan> coasting
[05:21:15] <zeeshan> im almost positive my burning oil stuff was the turbos
[05:21:26] <zeeshan> cause if i drove around nromally not hitting boost
[05:21:31] <zeeshan> there would be no oil burning.
[05:21:34] <furrywolf> zeeshan: continual high vacuum sucks the most oil down the intake valve guides.
[05:21:44] <zeeshan> but asap i hit boost, there would be oil burning after 4500 rpm
[05:21:53] <furrywolf> coasting causes the highest vacuum
[05:21:55] <zeeshan> and then asap i let go of throttle, it'd leave a nice trail
[05:22:04] <zeeshan> thats why i never thought it was valve seals for me
[05:22:20] <furrywolf> closing the throttle at high rpms also creates a really high vacuum. :)
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[05:22:35] <zeeshan> yes, but if i revved to 6000 without boost
[05:22:36] <furrywolf> and the valves are stroking quickly, so moving more oil down with them
[05:22:38] <zeeshan> i had no burning
[05:22:54] <furrywolf> dunno. I've never owned a boosted vehicle.
[05:23:00] <zeeshan> isnt your subie boosted
[05:23:07] <furrywolf> no
[05:23:10] <zeeshan> why
[05:23:14] <zeeshan> !~
[05:23:18] <furrywolf> I just put in a newer, larger engine.
[05:23:40] <furrywolf> what I really want more of is low-end grunt, which a turbo wouldn't even help with. lol
[05:23:54] <XXCoder> im considering seafoaming my van, then do oil change after 50 miles then add lucas
[05:23:55] <furrywolf> I miss the torque curve of my old engine, peaking at 1800. new engine is 4500 or something.
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[05:24:08] <furrywolf> seafoam is an excellent way to make hidden problems into not-hidden problems.
[05:24:21] <XXCoder> yeah that is my concern
[05:24:31] <furrywolf> just drive it. lol
[05:24:40] <furrywolf> how many miles does it take to use a quart of oil?
[05:24:53] <XXCoder> unknown, checked and its "bit low"
[05:24:59] <XXCoder> but then havent oil changed for a bit
[05:25:23] <furrywolf> anything over 1000 is considered acceptable. most car manufacturers won't consider a warranty claim for oil consumption unless it's worse than that.
[05:26:07] <furrywolf> the lucas product I pasted works quite well for vehicles with leaky valve guides.
[05:26:29] <furrywolf> ignore all the marketing claims... what it really does is make the oil stringy and tacky, so it doesn't get sucked down the guides.
[05:27:14] <XXCoder> ok
[05:27:42] <zeeshan> wtf 1:30am
[05:27:58] <furrywolf> you can get similar products with names like "nosmoke" and "motor honey", but the lucas seems to work somewhat better.
[05:28:07] <furrywolf> yeah, I'm getting ready for bed.
[05:28:31] <XXCoder> thanks for advice guys
[05:28:45] <XXCoder> looks like oil change then lucas in my van future
[05:28:51] <XXCoder> it need to last 2 more years
[05:29:05] <XXCoder> till I get elio
[05:29:14] <furrywolf> lucas is also good for transmissions and transfer cases... I run my truck's transfer case off a 50/50 mix of it and gear oil. the stringy, tacky oil leaks through the bad seals (of which the transfer case has entirely) slower.
[05:29:34] <norias> hmm
[05:29:51] <norias> i wonder what bob the oil guy
[05:29:55] <norias> thinks of lucas
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[05:31:08] <XXCoder> wonder what george lucas think of lucas
[05:32:11] <norias> heh
[05:32:23] <furrywolf> lucas has a lot of marketing hype about making engines last longer, etc, etc... I don't know about any of that. I suspect a lot of it is marketing. it does, however, work excellently at reducing oil consumption, by thickening the oil and making it stringy.
[05:34:12] <furrywolf> even pouring it, it's like hot pizza cheese... you go to pull the bottle away from the oil filter, and it stays connected by long strings... if there's wind, they'll blow out several feet before they break...
[05:35:08] <furrywolf> s/filter/filler
[05:35:20] <XXCoder> heh thanks for warning
[05:35:58] <norias> rumor is
[05:36:03] <norias> it's just 50w oil
[05:37:27] <furrywolf> norias: no, it's not. it's much, much thicker.
[05:37:35] <furrywolf> if it's cold, you can't even get it out of the bottle.
[05:37:50] <furrywolf> I had to warm a gallon jug of it in a gas station sink once. :)
[05:38:53] <furrywolf> I don't know about its use in a properly functioning engine, but it definitely makes the oil leak slower.
[05:39:30] <norias> yeah, by raising the viscosity at operating temp
[05:39:37] <norias> not necessarily a good thing
[05:39:57] <norias> changes the parameters of properly engineered oil in the car
[05:40:10] <norias> and dilutes the ppm of any good additives in a good oil
[05:42:56] <furrywolf> and makes it not go down valve guides. :P
[05:43:05] <furrywolf> or leak out bad seals
[05:43:10] <norias> i think that making your oil heavier
[05:43:19] <norias> will give you trouble at startup
[05:43:29] <norias> plus, if it's really an unmodified natural oil
[05:43:31] <furrywolf> let's put it this way... I only add it to vehicles with oil consumption issues.
[05:43:47] <norias> it won't have the correct viscosity / temp curve
[05:43:49] <XXCoder> mine dont seem that bad
[05:44:12] <furrywolf> no, yours you should just drive, like we've all already told you.
[05:44:45] <XXCoder> yeah
[05:44:59] <XXCoder> oil changes in future though its been a while since last change.
[05:44:59] <furrywolf> norias: I suspect it's more complicated than that. it really behaves stringy and almost stretchy. not like just thick oil.
[05:45:15] <norias> on a positive note
[05:45:22] <norias> i found out lowes and home depot
[05:45:28] <norias> have a veterans discount
[05:45:37] <furrywolf> are both going out of business? yay!
[05:45:41] <furrywolf> ... oh. they're not.
[05:45:41] <furrywolf> bleh
[05:45:51] <furrywolf> you said it was positive!
[05:46:10] * furrywolf doesn't like either one, especially not home depot
[05:46:24] <XXCoder> lowes isnt bad
[05:46:29] <XXCoder> better than walmart thats for sure
[05:46:43] <norias> i have... a few choices
[05:46:45] <furrywolf> bbl, wolfy bedtime
[05:46:55] <norias> lowes, home depot, busy beaver and true value
[05:47:03] <norias> lowes and home depot seem better stocked
[05:47:04] <furrywolf> find a local independent store?
[05:47:21] <norias> i just listed my options
[05:47:33] <furrywolf> heh. I have no idea what a busy beaver is...
[05:47:42] <norias> yeah...
[05:47:49] <norias> well
[05:47:55] <norias> oh,and 84 lumber
[05:48:02] <norias> which is sort of a local place
[05:48:10] <norias> or irwin builders supply
[05:48:29] <norias> another really local chain that really targets companies
[05:48:54] <furrywolf> you probably have no other choices because home depot intentionally eliminates them. when they open a new store, they set their prices well below all the local stores, even if it's below their cost. they're big enough they don't mind losing money, and can afford to do so for quite a long time. once all this dumping causes the local places to lose customers and go out of business, then they jack prices back up to normal.
[05:49:25] <norias> eh
[05:49:39] <norias> i don't know if that's totally true
[05:49:57] <norias> i think there's a world with a good eco system for big box stores (that have advantages)
[05:50:01] <norias> and smaller local stuff
[05:50:30] <norias> the local stores just need to be able to provide what the big boxes can't
[05:50:41] <norias> niche items, better technical advise
[05:50:53] <norias> like, say plastering tools
[05:51:03] <furrywolf> the local stores can't provide running a store at a loss for an indefinite period until the competition goes away. only big chains can do that.
[05:51:03] <norias> i'll never buy plastering tools at lowes or home depot
[05:51:12] <norias> because the ones they stock are terrible
[05:51:27] <furrywolf> everything they stock is terrible. :P
[05:51:32] <norias> not true
[05:51:42] <norias> the plastering supplies
[05:51:49] <norias> are the exact stuff i grew up with
[05:52:02] <norias> now, the really oddball plastering supplies aren't there
[05:52:10] <norias> but, basic stuff is
[05:52:17] <norias> and it's reasonably priced
[05:52:53] <furrywolf> ... didn't you just say it was terrible?
[05:53:05] <furrywolf> also, I typed that as tribble the first time. I need to get to bed.
[05:53:07] <XXCoder> specific items was terrible, he said
[05:53:29] <norias> i said the tools were terrible
[05:53:36] <norias> the supplies are good (materials)
[05:55:05] <furrywolf> ah
[05:56:09] <furrywolf> bbl
[05:57:36] <norias> lates
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[06:11:54] <chopper79> quick question.... does anybody know what program will open he .KO modules? i need to modify one for a configuration I am working on.
[06:12:08] <chopper79> *he - the
[06:12:14] <chopper79> =
[06:13:06] <chopper79> I need to make a gantry comp file for homing to square the gantry
[06:20:34] <archivist> hal comps are compiled you go back to the source
[06:22:37] <archivist> but check first you may just need to edit your homing sequence in the ini for the gantry
[06:27:59] <chopper79> already did that, but using mesa electronics and need to intercept the signals
[06:30:45] <chopper79> # ----- Tandem Homing
[06:30:46] <chopper79> # y-axis gantry
[06:30:46] <chopper79> ###net x1pos-cmd gantry.0.joint.00.pos-cmd => hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.01.position-cmd
[06:30:46] <chopper79> ###net x1pos-fb gantry.0.joint.00.pos-fb <= hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.01.position-fb
[06:30:46] <chopper79> ###net x2pos-cmd gantry.0.joint.01.pos-cmd => hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.02.position-cmd
[06:30:46] <chopper79> ###net x2pos-fb gantry.0.joint.01.pos-fb <= hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.02.position-fb
[06:30:47] <chopper79> ###net xpos-cmd gantry.0.position-cmd <= axis.0.motor-pos-cmd
[06:30:47] <chopper79> ###net xpos-fb gantry.0.position-fb => axis.0.motor-pos-fb
[06:30:48] <chopper79> ###net xenable axis.0.amp-enable-out => hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.01.enable hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.02.enable
[06:30:48] <chopper79> ###setp gantry.0.search-vel [AXIS_0]HOME_SEARCH_VEL
[06:30:49] <chopper79> # ---setup home / limit switch signals---
[06:30:49] <chopper79> # debounce the y-axis switches and connect them to signals
[06:30:50] <chopper79> ##net switches-x1 <= limit in (Pin)
[06:30:50] <chopper79> ##net switches-x2 <= limit in (Pin)
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[06:31:45] <chopper79> did not expect that much text..sorry. But I need to do something like this but needs to go through a comp file.
[06:52:16] <archivist> then connect the nets to the pins of the comp
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[06:58:02] <Deejay> moin
[06:58:49] <XXCoder> yesno
[06:59:33] <Jymmm> maybe
[07:00:10] <Deejay> does not matter
[07:01:00] <Jymmm> We are ALL matter, and flesh, and bone, and guts, and stuff!
[07:01:27] <Deejay> but matter is just energy
[07:02:00] <Deejay> E=mc²
[07:02:01] <Jymmm> and what is energy?
[07:02:13] <Deejay> hmm, not sure about that
[07:02:20] <XXCoder> e=mc2
[07:02:37] <Deejay> now we are back on topic :)
[07:02:56] <Jymmm> e=mcHammer
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[12:53:15] <cthompson> sent an email to one of our developers that, paraphrased, was "Do you want A, B or C?"
[12:53:18] <cthompson> I swear to god, he replied "Yes."
[12:53:43] <furrywolf> That happens.
[12:54:26] <furrywolf> You need to either pick one, in which case it'll be the wrong one and be all your fault, or do all three, in which case it'll cost three times too much and take three times too long, and be all four fault.
[12:54:37] <furrywolf> s/four/your
[12:54:49] <cthompson> he's getting A
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[13:23:21] <dirty_d> how should i fix a small gouge in a crankshaft sealing surface made by a grinder cutting wheel?
[13:23:35] <dirty_d> just weld and file down then sand and polish?
[13:24:27] <SpeedEvil> http://www.yotatech.com/f188/using-jbweld-front-crank-sealing-surface-246059/ seems legit
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[13:25:52] <dirty_d> i dont think i'd trust jbweld
[13:26:04] <dirty_d> i could tig braze silicon bronze rod i guess
[13:26:27] <dirty_d> that would reduce heat at least
[13:26:31] <SpeedEvil> Weld and then machine is probably the best option
[13:26:51] <SpeedEvil> Avoiding the hot-spotting issue by going all the way round
[13:27:27] <SpeedEvil> Of course - you have checked if the nick actually is on the bit used by the seal, and not just next to it?
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[13:28:12] <dirty_d> yea
[13:28:34] <dirty_d> its a small gouge, like 1/16" wide and 1/4" long
[13:28:40] <dirty_d> but it would tear up a rubber seal
[13:28:57] <dirty_d> i think it would be easy enough to fix it by hand
[13:29:03] <dirty_d> i dont have the tools to machine it anyway
[13:29:15] <dirty_d> just needs to be smooth enough for the seal
[13:29:25] <dirty_d> nothing needs to fit that part perfectly
[13:30:14] <dirty_d> never tig brazed, but it looks very pleasant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2_hXQ4ABrg
[13:31:00] <SpeedEvil> Do you have tig?
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[13:31:22] <furrywolf> weld, file to slightly larger, then shape with emery cloth pulled from the other side so it becomes nice and smooth
[13:31:40] <SpeedEvil> Silver solder even I guess too
[13:32:14] <SpeedEvil> As a stupid comment - lead.
[13:32:18] <furrywolf> I'd worry about the wear properties of anything other than more steel. consider the oil seal wears a groove in the nice hard steel... it'll go right through softer metal.
[13:32:23] <SpeedEvil> I'm not sure thaat wouldn';t work
[13:32:27] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: I guess
[13:32:48] <SpeedEvil> I was thinking for a moment it was a clean oil film, but it's not quite
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[13:34:10] <furrywolf> steel is harder than braze which is harder than solder which is harder than lead which is harder than jbweld :P
[13:35:31] <dirty_d> yea ill just weld it
[13:35:40] <dirty_d> ER70S will do?
[13:35:46] <dirty_d> not sure what the crank is made of
[13:36:02] <furrywolf> dunno. for that small of a ding, probably doesn't matter.
[13:36:19] <dirty_d> yea i wouldnt think so
[13:36:33] <dirty_d> maybe ill get to try out my hf arc starter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4ulbshPJcU
[13:36:34] <ssi> morn
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[13:37:40] <furrywolf> I need a TIG setup... need to weld a bunch of alu one of these days.
[13:38:20] <dirty_d> yea me too
[13:38:28] <dirty_d> i had a DC tig, but it broke
[13:38:35] <dirty_d> ive just been connecting it to my arc welder
[13:38:59] <dirty_d> hopefully my AC inverter will be done by this weekend though
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[13:39:41] <dirty_d> grab some of these and throw one together
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Hitachi-MBM200GR6-N-Chan-Dual-Pack-IGBT-200A-600V-Power-Module-Transistors-/351418136775?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51d22738c7
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[13:40:44] <furrywolf> I have some 600V 400A darlingtons... need a project for them one of these days. :)
[13:41:00] * furrywolf has been tempted to build an overly large audio amp
[13:41:10] <dirty_d> how do those compare to IGBTs?
[13:41:17] <dirty_d> same just current driven?
[13:41:31] <furrywolf> yes
[13:41:45] <dirty_d> what kinda base current are we talking for 400A?
[13:42:01] <SpeedEvil> depends - probably an amp for power darlingtons
[13:42:09] <SpeedEvil> Hfe for small signal ones hits >10K
[13:42:12] <furrywolf> 3A if I remember right. they're three-stage darlingtons.
[13:42:22] <SpeedEvil> But big high voltage ones are terrible
[13:42:40] <dirty_d> not so bad
[13:42:42] <furrywolf> http://fw.bushytails.net/transistor.jpg I have 12 of those...
[13:43:13] <dirty_d> high side supply might be a pain
[13:44:06] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: not really.
[13:44:22] <dirty_d> whats the easiest way?
[13:44:28] <dirty_d> besides a battery
[13:44:28] <SpeedEvil> If you don't much care about compactness, a conventional linear transformer supply is easy
[13:44:44] <dirty_d> yea
[13:44:56] <SpeedEvil> Then an opto, and a suitable gate driver chip or transistors
[13:45:20] <SpeedEvil> Especially if you already have a pile of suitable transformers
[13:45:52] <furrywolf> if I built an audio amp out of four of them, I'd be very tempted to skip the big transformer... just rectify and filter the incoming mains.
[13:46:10] <dirty_d> i also like to live dangerously
[13:46:13] <furrywolf> the incoming 240V mains, of course. :P
[13:46:13] <ssi> lol
[13:46:29] <SpeedEvil> I have a partially built direct-off-line amp
[13:46:32] <dirty_d> i tested my HF arc starter on myself
[13:46:34] <dirty_d> i lived
[13:46:40] <SpeedEvil> it was intended to be class D
[13:46:55] <dirty_d> it successfully just burns the surface of my skin
[13:47:23] <furrywolf> these transistors are actually intended for switching applications... they have an impressively fast switching time. in the sub-10us range. I don't remember what it is off the top of my head though.
[13:47:26] <dirty_d> if i put my finger in the arc it just follows the contour of my finger
[13:48:09] <furrywolf> I could build a very, very large class D amp, instead of just a very large class AB amp...
[13:48:33] <ssi> those transistors are probably more suited to D
[13:48:38] <ssi> they're probably nonlinear as shit
[13:48:48] <dirty_d> the 200A IGBTs i got are sub 1us
[13:49:19] <dirty_d> doesnt matter though since its only switching 200Hz max
[13:49:36] <furrywolf> ssi: that's what feedback is for. :)
[13:49:48] <dirty_d> i think im just gonna set it to 150Hz 75% duty cycle and that will probably just do
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[14:02:25] <SpeedEvil> dirty_d: IGBTs don't do sub 1us
[14:02:30] <SpeedEvil> I thin you're reading it wrong
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[14:02:40] <SpeedEvil> Or I'm confused again.
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[14:03:58] <ssi> got the RV back together and flew it last night
[14:03:59] <ssi> https://scontent-atl1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11406462_10100699332080412_9077317612844909026_n.jpg?oh=21eef63b0a30999f98f1964247b02940&oe=55F473DA
[14:04:03] <ssi> hooray
[14:04:44] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, sure they do
[14:05:47] <dirty_d> typical rise and fall times of these are 200ns
[14:06:37] <dirty_d> delay times are 600ns
[14:06:48] <dirty_d> dont really care about the delay though
[14:07:07] <dirty_d> smaller IGBTs are a lot faster
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[14:08:21] <SpeedEvil> I guess I was thinking of speed in comparison to MOSFETs
[14:08:42] <SpeedEvil> and that some large ones are slow enough that ~20khz or so means you have too high inear dissipation
[14:12:03] <dirty_d> yea
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[14:27:10] <JT-Shop> I have 4 bottles of 242 on the shelf, I should toss one out I think
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[14:30:02] <FinboySlick> dirty_d: I opened the 600V 200A transistor you linked and was thinking: Hmm, you could make a very very inefficient calculator with a few hundred of these.
[14:30:18] <dirty_d> lol
[14:31:22] <ssi> reminds me of this
[14:31:22] <ssi> http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/26/all-tube-digital-clock-seven-years-in-the-making/
[14:31:31] <CaptHindsight> add a few hundred vacuum tubes and contactors for storage
[14:38:59] <SpeedEvil> FinboySlick:
http://www.sparkbangbuzz.com/flame-amp/flameamp.htm
[14:39:13] <englishman> hay ssi
[14:39:16] <englishman> i passed my checkride
[14:39:18] <englishman> <-- ppm
[14:39:21] <englishman> ppl*
[14:39:22] <englishman> :)
[14:39:39] <englishman> im happy.
[14:39:41] <SpeedEvil> Is a ppm a millionth of a pilot?
[14:40:34] <englishman> the RV looks super slick
[14:43:25] <JT-Shop> ssi, do they still use imron paint for planes? I painted my Dad's 170 with that
[14:44:31] <JT-Shop> being in the ATC he had pull and got N170ET as his numbers, his initials was ET
[14:48:37] <ssi> JT-Shop: yeah imron is very common
[14:48:38] <ssi> it's expensive
[14:49:08] <ssi> I don't like my initials for tail numbers sadly
[14:49:14] <JT-Shop> all paint is expensive now a days
[14:49:52] <JT-Shop> he sold the 170 to a lady and she ground looped it an bent the gear box
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[14:50:05] <ssi> daw
[14:52:21] <dirty_d> SpeedEvil, theres no way ill get any low frequency HV into my welder with this right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4ulbshPJcU
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[14:52:28] <dirty_d> theres a schematic in the description
[14:52:56] <SpeedEvil> No
[14:57:06] <dirty_d> unless the capacitor broke down right?
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[17:32:01] <Pudlo> Dumb question: Cheap spindles like these (
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1PCS-DIY-engraving-machine-300W-ER11-air-cooled-spindle-motor-power-supply-speed-controller-kit-GD006C/2048852156.html) say they can run from 12-48V. Should I be using a 48V supply for best performance, or does it not matter as long as I've got enough amperage?
[17:32:55] <Rab> Pudlo, you would want a 48V supply (or as close as you can get).
[17:34:06] <Rab> In a DC motor like that, voltage correlates to speed. So e.g. 36V will only get you so far up in the motor's speed range, regardless of how much current is available.
[17:34:27] <Pudlo> Gotcha. Cheap 48V supply it is.
[17:36:28] <Rab> The motor controllor works by PWM of the supply voltage. I theorize that 48V PWM would also give you greater efficiency and torque across the whole speed range than a lower voltage, but I don't know that for sure.
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[18:07:19] <zeeshan> damn thats cheap
[18:07:27] <zeeshan> i bet that'd fit inside a cat40 tool holder
[18:19:49] <ssi> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/AC-220V-2-2kw-Water-Cooled-CNC-Spindle-Motor-2-2kw-CNC-Engraving-Milling-with-ER20/2046098295.html
[18:19:53] <ssi> I wonder if that's worth a shit
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[18:29:30] <_methods> big forklift and tiny forklift
[18:29:32] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/S41cMCn.jpg
[18:32:13] <FinboySlick> ssi: I seriously doubt it'll spin under a thousand RPM. I have a similar one and it only starts around 5000.
[18:33:42] <ssi> probably would be ok for a wood router
[18:34:00] <ssi> big forklift is big
[18:34:04] <ssi> 12,5k? or bigger?
[18:34:07] <_methods> 30k
[18:34:16] <ssi> dang
[18:34:17] <_methods> moving the big lathe in tomorrow
[18:34:21] <ssi> big forklif is very big
[18:34:28] <_methods> 36" swing 290" long
[18:34:41] <ssi> :o
[18:34:46] <_methods> heheh
[18:34:48] <_methods> big toys
[18:34:51] <FinboySlick> big lathe looks big too.
[18:35:08] <_methods> the big one isn't here yet
[18:35:08] <ssi> _methods: I got the rv in the air yesterday finally
[18:35:12] <_methods> going to get it tomorrow
[18:35:15] <_methods> ah nice
[18:35:18] <_methods> how'd it fly?
[18:35:23] <FinboySlick> So that's your 'little' lathe?
[18:35:23] <ssi> mostly good
[18:35:27] <ssi> it's running hot
[18:35:30] <ssi> need to look at the baffling
[18:35:32] <_methods> yeah that's one of our little lathes lol
[18:35:43] <ssi> plus it's got a bit of a stumble, need to check all the fuel screens and do an open ended flow test
[18:36:04] <_methods> that sounds like something yo don't want in the air lol
[18:36:15] <_methods> i don't like to stumble on the ground
[18:36:16] <ssi> that's why we test fly :P
[18:36:34] <ssi> the engine stumble, I don't really know what it is yet
[18:36:42] <ssi> it's not very significant... not even enough to make the tach needle bounce
[18:36:48] <ssi> but it's audible and you can feel it
[18:36:52] <ssi> so it may be an indication of an issue
[18:37:04] <ssi> maybe a fuel restriction, maybe carb jetting or mixture settings
[18:37:06] <ssi> dunno yet
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[18:37:45] <_methods> mysteries in the air are probably not the best for your long term health
[18:38:22] <ssi> lol
[18:38:39] <ssi> it's not as bad as that
[18:38:44] <_methods> just watched the new episode of game of thrones now i want a dragon
[18:38:49] <_methods> screw an airplane
[18:38:53] <skunkworks> dad is thinking about getting one of those spindle+vfd combos for doing small cutter stuff on the k&t
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[18:39:10] <_methods> skunkworks: make sure you get pics of that
[18:39:19] <ssi> I wouldn't mind getting a small ER11 spindle and trying to add live tooling to the HNC
[18:39:21] <_methods> hehe k&t with teeny tiny attached lol
[18:39:22] <ssi> that'd be awesome
[18:39:52] <_methods> does it have a turret?
[18:39:56] <_methods> or gang tooling?
[18:39:56] <ssi> yeah
[18:40:05] <_methods> the wiring might be fun
[18:40:09] <ssi> yeah heh
[18:40:17] <_methods> run it through the turret i guess
[18:40:24] <ssi> not really practical
[18:40:37] <ssi> and the turret only turns one way
[18:40:50] <_methods> oh no unwind lol
[18:40:53] <ssi> hahaha
[18:40:59] <_methods> encoder ring
[18:41:05] <_methods> whatever they call that
[18:41:08] <ssi> slip ring
[18:41:12] <_methods> yeah
[18:41:20] <_methods> slip ring it i guess at teh turret somewhere
[18:41:25] <_methods> be a nightmare with coolant
[18:41:31] <ssi> yeah it's not really practical
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[18:43:25] <_methods> you could do the coolant live tooling
[18:43:47] <_methods> the turret stations do have coolant right?
[18:43:50] <ssi> no
[18:43:53] <_methods> oh
[18:43:55] <_methods> damn
[18:44:02] <_methods> well no live tooling for you lol
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[18:45:25] <ssi> lol
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[18:50:00] <JT-Shop> ssi, is the HNC an air hog like the CHNC?
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[18:59:38] <Roguish> hey all. question about Gladevcp. I am trying to create a simple panel to display the axes following error. Which one of the hal python widgets is best? needs to display a float.
[19:00:08] <Roguish> the 'label' only links to a U32.
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[19:17:20] <aventtini> hello
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[19:40:15] <_methods> alloo
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[19:42:01] <R2E4> Hi all.
[19:44:04] <R2E4> Is there anyway you can connect two 7i77 to a 5i25?
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[19:51:14] <ssi> JT-Shop: yeah it is
[19:51:44] <ssi> R2E4: yes, you can use the internal 26 pin header with a parport breakout and run two 7i77
[19:54:57] <R2E4> ssi: so use the cable to a breakout board then hardwire into the two 7i77 with the connectors?
[19:56:22] <_methods> http://gizmodo.com/a-floating-observation-dome-gives-fish-a-glimpse-of-the-1709547254
[19:56:29] <_methods> helloooo kickstarter
[19:56:51] <R2E4> ssi: I see the internal 26 pin header on the 5i25.
[19:57:30] <ssi> not a breakout board
[19:57:32] <ssi> just a cable adapter
[19:58:02] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/C2G-10338-Parallel-Adapter-Bracket/dp/B0002J1TGS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1433793474&sr=8-4&keywords=parallel+port+adapter
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[20:02:07] <Deejay> gn8
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[20:03:50] <Guest86948> can anyone explain me why in etch-servo hal file there are 3 pwm pins for itch axis
[20:06:33] <Guest86948> hello
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[20:15:24] <Roguish> where can I find the log of this channel?
[20:15:39] <Roguish> and the -devel channel?
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[20:25:15] <Roguish> found the logs.
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[20:29:42] <FinboySlick> Roguish: Please ignore all the nonsense Jymmm and I usually say.
[20:30:52] <_Roguish> well, just locked up again.
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[20:32:21] <_Roguish> oh heck I don't care about all the jibber jabber.
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[20:42:40] <skunksleep> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/cincinnati-cnc/272508-cnc.html
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[20:47:33] <Tom_itx> _Roguish, zlog
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[20:57:12] <tswartz> does it matter what encoder i use for spindle speed so long as it is an absolute encoder?
[20:59:15] <Tom_itx> probably not
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[21:04:00] <SpeedEvil> Surely relative encoders are fine too
[21:04:25] <SpeedEvil> the important thing is the resolution, jitter
[21:04:53] <SpeedEvil> If the resolution is too high, it may limit top speed, too low, it may add instability
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[21:10:38] <tswartz> SpeedEvil, i won't have to worry about high speeds on this thing lol
[21:10:58] <tswartz> i think my max is ~ 2400rpm
[21:12:04] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dx.com/p/speed-measuring-module-encoding-disk-set-for-smart-car-chassis-black-319982#.VXYFHfFVGRs
[21:12:16] <SpeedEvil> - not very serious
[21:12:17] <tswartz> SpeedEvil, if relative encoders are also ok, what kind of resolution is workable with linuxcnc?
[21:12:27] <SpeedEvil> Depends what you want to do with it
[21:12:45] <tswartz> threading and css
[21:12:47] <SpeedEvil> rigid tapping, for example, really would like to be able to control to a small fraction of a rev
[21:13:05] <tswartz> i don't have anything awesome enough for rigid tapping
[21:13:11] <SpeedEvil> Absolute encoders mean you don't need to go one whole rev
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[21:13:35] <tswartz> and yeah, i've seen those tiny encoders, i have no idea how i would get that working with my spindle
[21:13:39] <SpeedEvil> Is rigid tapping the right word - I'm not properly awake - sorry
[21:14:22] <SpeedEvil> tswartz: Well, in principle, you can attach an encoder to any rotating bit - or use a non-contact gear sensor if you have a gear at an appropriate point
[21:15:12] <tswartz> this whole thing is homebrew from a g0602. i'm sure a lot of people in here will turn their noses up at me :P
[21:15:31] <guilherme3333> hello all I'm new to emc and trying to build mas own cnc from electronic garbage . based on some tutorial i saw , i'm trying to change the hal file on the etch-servo configuration but i notice that the pwm pin out dose not match the LMD18201T h-bridge that i have can some one help me or give me some clues
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[21:15:45] <tswartz> i tested out mach3 on it and ran with an optical encoder and a CD that i cut out to fit the spindle, with 1 index mark in it
[21:16:04] <tswartz> 1 point per rev is some pretty shady resolution
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[21:17:57] <tswartz> SpeedEvil, so for relative position you say a gear position say may do the trick eh?
[21:18:46] <SpeedEvil> There isn't a reason you couldn't add - say - 100 marks per rev, and get much better position
[21:18:53] <SpeedEvil> tswartz: yes
[21:19:10] <SpeedEvil> To be able to repeatably thread, you need some index of course
[21:20:12] <tswartz> i've been trying to wrap my head around a way to finish up with the CD method, but 100 marks all done by hand just doesn't seem reasonable to me
[21:20:25] <tswartz> maybe one day i'll gather up the patience for it
[21:20:52] <tswartz> and the sensor kit i have is a 2 channel so i'll cut a deeper index for that one
[21:21:44] <SpeedEvil> tswartz: Do you need an excuse to buy a dividing head?
[21:22:04] <tswartz> i started looking at them again yesterday ;)
[21:22:09] <guilherme3333> hello any one has servo experience by direct parallel port connection??????????????????
[21:22:27] <SpeedEvil> guilherme3333: not here
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[21:25:06] <guilherme3333> thanks speedevil do you hv any idea of some one that can possible help me
[21:25:46] <JT-Shop> guilherme3333, do you just need to change what pin your using?
[21:29:22] <guilherme3333> JT-shop is not a question of pins as i'm using a bread board but i only need one pwm pin and another one 1\0 to tell diction to the h-bridge
[21:30:02] <guilherme3333> direction i mean
[21:31:29] <guilherme3333> for what i understand it has 2 alternetive pin for it and they are as pwm pins
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[21:33:10] <skunksleep> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/man/man9/pwmgen.9.html
[21:33:11] <JT-Shop> can you be a bit more specific, is this some piece of hardware your talking about or your LinuxCNC configuration files?
[21:33:36] <JT-Shop> skunksleep, is on it now :)
[21:33:52] <skunksleep> You configure the pwmgen to output pwm+dir
[21:35:46] <guilherme3333> so thats means tipe 1????'
[21:36:15] <chopper79> Howdy.....Ran into a road block on my config..... When I insert th following ----net spindle-on hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.output-02--- I get an error when launching LCNC. Even if I use pncconf to generate the config the error still happens. am I forgetting to assign the 7i76 board somewhere?
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[21:40:26] <chopper79> I should have posted the error..... hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.output-02 does not exist
[21:42:19] <guilherme3333> ok thanks guys i gona try it . but i'll be back
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[21:55:11] <chopper79> Ok ... did some checking and no matter what output I assign to spindle on I get the same error when launching LCNC. the error says the pin does not exist. hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.output-00 does not exist
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[21:57:18] <archivist> chopper79, run halshow to check what pins exist
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/halshow.html
[21:57:56] <chopper79> If I use the following ---hm2_5i25.0.gpio.022.out--- then LCNC will launch. Just not when using the 7i76 ouputs
[21:58:02] <chopper79> I will try that real quick
[21:59:38] <chopper79> Well.... I get no command for halshow
[21:59:56] <chopper79> which is weird as I have used that before (differnt install)
[22:00:14] <chopper79> I installed show
[22:00:18] <chopper79> and still no command
[22:00:22] <chopper79> hal
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[22:03:45] <chopper79> when I get LCNC to launch I go to show hal configuration and I see the 5i25 GPIO but the 7i76 does not show up. Is it not being found?
[22:04:12] <chopper79> LCNC to launch by commenting out the line for spindle on
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[22:07:21] <archivist> you need to ask PCW about the card not being seen
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[22:08:22] <chopper79> Ok...thanks
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[22:11:20] <chopper79> PCW: My configuration does not seem to see the 7i76 board. anytime I assign an input or output to the 7i76 I get an error when launching LCNC. ------hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.output-02 does not exist ------ I can not seem to find the 7i76 in the show hal configuration either. Did I break something or is my system not recognizing the 7i76 smart serial port?
[22:13:01] <chopper79> if I use the following ---hm2_5i25.0.gpio.022.out--- then LCNC will launch. Just not when using the 7i76 ouputs
[22:13:12] <chopper79> or inputs
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[22:18:12] <CaptHindsight> _methods: I want one that I can use to take my pet fish Erik out for a walk or a bike ride
[22:22:56] <CaptHindsight> http://upload.ecvv.com/upload/Product/20125/China_Portable_Spherical_Fish_Tank_Bowl2012515242311.jpg
[22:23:10] <CaptHindsight> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/cd/f1/82/cdf1828fd67bed1583bab21c72ff7662.jpg
[22:23:15] <chopper79> Should the Sserial port have a number assigned? loadrt hm2_pci config=" num_encoders=1 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=4 sserial_port_0=0xxxxxxx "
[22:27:44] <_methods> heheh
[22:28:03] <_methods> was that from a movie
[22:28:35] <_methods> omg fishbowl backpack
[22:28:49] <_methods> that just made my day
[22:30:07] <CaptHindsight> https://youtu.be/pnq96W9jtuw?t=1m5s Fish License
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[22:35:04] <_methods> thought i remembered that
[22:37:23] <CaptHindsight> _methods: we joke about this and often someone has already proposed it
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[23:03:33] <PCW> chopper79: sounds like the 7I76 output side is not powered (or the 5i25/7i76 cable power jumpers dont match)
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[23:08:44] <chopper79> PCW: I have field power going to the 7i76, W1 in left position, W2 in left position. W2 in left position should be getting 5v from 5i25 if I am not mistaken. On the 5i25 I have all jumpers up as it came default besides W2 which came down as default. should they be something different?
[23:09:40] <chopper79> I thought I did it right based on what looked at in the manual. I did not however change jumper W1 on 5i25 as it was up from default.
[23:10:55] <chopper79> 7I76 has both LED on CR1 and CR2. If I remove power from Field (orange plug pin 1 vin and pin 8 gnd) CR2 LED turns off. If I remove DB25 cable then CR1 turns off
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[23:28:37] <chopper79> PCW: It is fixed now and LCNC will open. I had the THAD300 FO+ and FO- coming form the THCAD300 to TB3 on the 7i76 pins 7,8 for the encoder input. I take it that the FO outputs from the THCAD300 do not go to an encoder input. Where should they go as I need to bring the frequency into the cards somehow. I assumed (I know bad of me) that it would go here as the THC.comp file references Encoder A I do believe.
[23:29:51] <SpeedEvil> tswartz:
http://www.dx.com/p/motor-speed-photoelectric-encoders-for-model-car-robot-brownish-yellow-black-10-pcs-389817#.VXYk9fFVGRs :)
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[23:31:43] <chopper79> THC.comp refrences : THC Frequency Signal => Encoder #0, pin A (Input)
[23:32:03] <chopper79> I guess its not literally encoder A?
[23:32:36] <chopper79> Encoder 0 pin A sorry
[23:37:45] <PCW> Yes the THCAD frequency output goes to a encoder 'A' pin
[23:38:57] <chopper79> FO+ is the only one. do not use FO- ?
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[23:39:37] <PCW> use both (and jumper the encoder input for differential)
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[23:41:13] <chopper79> Ok.. so I should take FO+ and FO- and connect them to TB3 pins 7, 8 ? 7 being ENC+ and 8 being ENC-
[23:41:52] <chopper79> A+, A- i shoul dhave stated
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[23:44:12] <PCW> yes, you can use a 4 wire cable to the THCAD from 6,7,8,9
[23:44:14] <PCW> so you have both 5V power and differential frequency signal
[23:44:15] <PCW> FO+ and FO- should be twisted
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[23:51:37] <chopper79> PCW: That did it, I can launch LCNC and everything is plugged in a LED are on. I thank you all for the help. Now its time to see if I have some action
[23:53:27] <chopper79> I was pulling the 5v to power the THCAD300 from pins 22, 23 on TB3. Once I changed them from there to pins 6,9 on TB3 everything played nice together. I guess that using pins 22,23 were shorting it out?
