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[00:00:04] <_methods> yeah i need to do that to mine
[00:00:11] <_methods> i just did the vbelt for now
[00:00:21] <Tom_itx> i haven't really had a chance to test any of that yet
[00:00:23] <_methods> shouold be an easy transition from v to timing
[00:00:29] <Tom_itx> the timing belts are nice
[00:00:39] <_methods> yeah
[00:00:49] <Tom_itx> i can get a little more than 5k rpm with what i have
[00:00:53] <_methods> i need to get 4th axis on mine then i can just make my own pulleys
[00:01:11] <Tom_itx> i made one of the v pulleys
[00:01:12] <_methods> i supposed i could just get a rotab and do it manually
[00:01:36] <Tom_itx> they want too much for theirs
[00:01:55] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/old_pulley1.jpg
[00:02:02] <Tom_itx> that one was mine
[00:02:06] <Tom_itx> i'm not using it now
[00:02:24] <Tom_itx> but i calculated the ratio from those for the timing pulleys
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[00:03:43] <Tom_itx> then i modded the original speed control for rev and cnc control of the 'pot'
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[00:07:42] <_methods> i can't figure out how to post pics to imgur anymore from my phone
[00:07:44] <_methods> wtf
[00:07:57] <_methods> used to be real easy
[00:08:24] <_methods> i guess i'll try the new google photos that isn't linked to google+
[00:09:36] <_methods> ahh finally figured it out
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[00:10:38] <_methods> guess i'll check out the new google photos still though
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[00:16:18] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/tesb3Pe.jpg
[00:17:20] <Tom_itx> i wish i had ballscrews
[00:17:27] <Tom_itx> well if we're wishing...
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[00:18:27] <_methods> hehe
[00:20:15] <_methods> i think once i frame out the the back it will be pretty decent for the money
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[00:20:59] <_methods> it honestly has me just wanting to get an old cnc bridgeport
[00:21:10] <_methods> really sux having to be a baby around steel
[00:22:01] <_methods> http://i.imgur.com/W6mLnXX.jpg
[00:22:13] <_methods> i need to make my keyboard tray this wknd
[00:23:09] <Tom_itx> what mill is that?
[00:23:15] <_methods> x2
[00:23:24] <Tom_itx> not sherline for sure
[00:23:41] <_methods> it's the little harbor freight mill
[00:24:18] <XXCoder> is that kurt jaw?
[00:24:24] <XXCoder> looks bit different
[00:24:24] <Tom_itx> i looked at one at a local tool shop a while back but it had a round column
[00:24:29] <_methods> no it's a shars turd vise
[00:24:43] <_methods> oh that's the rongfu with the round column
[00:24:43] <XXCoder> yea guessed not
[00:24:48] <_methods> much bigger than mine
[00:25:44] <_methods> they're pretty big but that damn round column kinda screws you
[00:25:53] <_methods> i think pete did a conversion on one of those
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[00:30:05] <Tom_itx> i didn't know he had a mill
[00:30:32] <_methods> pete?
[00:30:39] <_methods> he has that arrow now
[00:30:55] <Tom_itx> oh tennessee pete
[00:30:59] <_methods> yeah
[00:31:03] <Tom_itx> i thought you meant pcw
[00:31:18] <_methods> yeah he's not in here so autocomplete didn't work
[00:31:25] <_methods> and i was too lazy to type petefromtn
[00:31:27] <_methods> lol
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[00:32:42] <_methods> i'm gonna have to replenish my random washer box on monday
[00:32:46] <_methods> i'm gettin low
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[00:53:14] <furrywolf> http://images.craigslist.org/00H0H_f1sM9fU6BZZ_600x450.jpg been sitting for a few years? lol
[00:53:36] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:53:43] <XXCoder> to an immortal 100 years is just few years
[00:55:10] <malcom2073> Craigslist be like: Protected from the elements underground
[00:55:28] <XXCoder> malcom2073: that would be true if oxygen free very low acid
[00:55:47] <XXCoder> they recently found tolet seat thats thousand+ years old
[00:55:50] <XXCoder> its wood.
[00:55:52] <XXCoder> in mud
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[01:12:36] <furrywolf> how is it that when you sit down with a carton of ice cream planning to have just a little bit, the carton always ends up empty?
[01:12:57] <XXCoder> no limitor thats why
[01:13:06] <XXCoder> if you scopped to bowl it acts as limitor
[01:13:12] <alex4nder> furrywolf: you need to stop when you hit the diabetes
[01:19:30] <furrywolf> only 21g of sugar per serving... and there's only 4 servings per carton... and it's organic dried cane syrup... :P
[01:19:54] <furrywolf> I also just got 64% of my daily fiber!
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[01:30:59] <XXCoder> thats not bad
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[01:38:48] <furrywolf> used my new digital torque gauge to check the torque wrench I used on the head bolts. With the torque wrench set for 17ftlbs, it clicks at 28.5ftlbs.
[01:38:50] <furrywolf> I hate china.
[01:39:01] <XXCoder> holy crap
[01:39:11] <XXCoder> thats 11 ft/lb over
[01:39:42] <furrywolf> not as bad as I expected, actually... but I think the first click was worse, and I just didn't capture it on the gauge.
[01:40:02] <furrywolf> also, that means honda torques their head bolts surprisingly close to their breaking strength.
[01:41:43] <furrywolf> http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-drive-digital-torque-adapter-68283.html I bought that, based on excellent reviews online. it came with a test certification sheet, showing only .7% to .11% error at various points.
[01:42:05] <furrywolf> unlike my clicky torque wrench, which is apparantly off by 70%...
[01:45:51] <XXCoder> yeah
[01:46:04] <XXCoder> I would expect shit ones to be 10% off or so
[01:46:08] <XXCoder> not 70%
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[01:51:14] <furrywolf> I think the problem is actually pretty stupid... it doesn't line up with the scale well. it's off by exactly one rotation of the handle. it looks like 17, but it's actually set to 27.
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[01:51:34] <alex4nder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mixkLB--_Q4 <- pretty good for a stepper-based taig
[01:51:45] <furrywolf> it's within 2ftlbs at different settings, if you remember to look at the line one above it, not the line you already got to.
[01:51:46] <alex4nder> 120 IPM
[01:51:51] <malcom2073> Lol
[01:51:58] <malcom2073> furrywolf: That's awesomely annoying
[01:52:09] <furrywolf> china. :P
[01:52:52] <malcom2073> I have a torque wrench like that, but that's because I dropped it, broke the handle, and jbweld fixed it
[01:53:04] <malcom2073> alex4nder: That's a hell of a whine that stepper is making haha, spinning like mad
[01:53:17] <alex4nder> yah, 20:1 reduction
[01:53:22] <furrywolf> oh well, found four more head bolts... one of them is even new! I'll put the new one in the hole I extracted the broken one from, as it lost the top thread with the bolt.
[01:54:02] <alex4nder> my old setup was 60 IPM max, with like 10x worse accel
[01:55:07] <furrywolf> I can do about 1.5in/sec (90ipm) on mine, with 1.8 in/sec if I set the acceleration down more. I need to up the voltage a bit. running 54V now, might try to get it to 70V.
[01:55:29] <furrywolf> but that involves another transformer...
[01:55:39] <alex4nder> what stepper drivers are you using?
[01:55:57] <furrywolf> centent cn0165, 80V max. I used 75V caps, so 70V would be a smart limit.
[01:56:01] <alex4nder> cool
[01:56:21] <alex4nder> I'm running this at like 45 volts, 3.5 amps/phase.
[01:56:24] <furrywolf> I could also get rid of the 2:1 belt drive... I think I have more than enough torque.
[01:56:27] <furrywolf> 9A/phase here
[01:56:31] <alex4nder> what size machine?
[01:56:51] <furrywolf> a shoptask... chinese mill/lathe combo.
[01:57:02] <alex4nder> oh yah, werd
[01:57:10] <alex4nder> what are your screws like?
[01:57:30] <furrywolf> I have it set to 1.3in/sec max, as around 1.5 it starts walking itself around the room. I'll need to take the handwheels off if I want to go there. heh.
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[01:57:45] <furrywolf> stock 10tpi acme with brass nuts
[01:59:13] <XXCoder> furrywolf: wonder if you can realign marks
[01:59:19] <XXCoder> so 17 is 17 not 27
[01:59:45] <XXCoder> check if it is constant - like 27 is 37, 10 is 20, so on
[02:01:20] <malcom2073> Hmm that's a good point, when I broke mine, the handlewould spin freely, so when I fixed itI misaligned it and that made mine off, bet you could realign yours
[02:01:20] <furrywolf> yes, it is. I already checked.
[02:01:46] <furrywolf> this would have been averted if I could find my good Mac one. :(
[02:02:26] <furrywolf> I have a Mac 3/8" drive torque wrench just for little, precise things like this. for even more precise, I have a snap-on inlb dial one. can't find either.
[02:02:38] <XXCoder> well could just tape "add 10 to displayed number"
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[02:03:26] <XXCoder> oh realign nice
[02:03:37] <XXCoder> weird theres bit lag on network
[02:03:48] <furrywolf> the snap-on one is likely WAY out of calibration, though. I got it cheap because someone had hugely over-torqued it, bending the torsion spring about 45 degrees and mangling part of the indicator mechanism. I bent it all back to shape, but a torsion spring that was deformed twice like that is more than a little suspect.
[02:04:51] <furrywolf> bbl, attempting to install the head again
[02:09:15] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: you managed to remove the bolt?
[02:12:12] <andypugh> Yay! Got the new lathe spinning. It’s a 440V 3-phase lathe and I have 240V 1-phase. So, I needed a transformer to get that up to 400V, then I connected only 2 inputs of a VFD to the 400V and it was happy enough (they don’t care how you charge the internal caps) and then that was enough to spin the spindle motor. The 1kVA transformer got a bit warm, as it’s a 3-phase motor. I then fed 240V straight to the motor armat
[02:12:13] <andypugh> control circuit inputs and 400V to the field circuit, and got the feed motor working too.
[02:12:42] <andypugh> (sorry, warm as it’s a 3hp motor)
[02:13:39] <SpeedEvil> :)
[02:14:27] <SpeedEvil> For testing, or final?
[02:14:47] <andypugh> Just to see what works still
[02:15:25] <andypugh> Lovely old control box, 1960s tech with huge selenium rectifiers:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/yu5GFkcA8Qd5Bd0j0eNRyX69jlxvlrTD6CexboMrrBE?feat=directlink
[02:16:03] <alex4nder> nice
[02:16:40] <andypugh> I can replace those rectifiers with 1N4004 and make room for a PC!
[02:16:47] <SpeedEvil> Looks nice
[02:17:36] <andypugh> it’s a properly nice lathe.
[02:18:28] <furrywolf> no broken bolts this time. yay.
[02:18:29] <andypugh> Look at the width and depth of the bed, it’s crazy-stiff:
http://www.lathes.co.uk/holbrook-minor/
[02:18:57] <XXCoder> fur nice
[02:19:13] <_methods> beautiful lathe
[02:19:17] <_methods> you just got one of those?
[02:19:22] <andypugh> Yes
[02:19:25] <_methods> nice
[02:19:33] <furrywolf> SpeedEvil: I used a steel bushing tapped into the top of the hole to center a drill bit the size of the bolt, to take off the jagged, convex top of the bolt, and leave a nice, centered dimple. I then drilled with a smaller bit and used an easy-out.
[02:19:39] <_methods> looks alot like a hardinge or the monarch 10ee
[02:19:48] <andypugh> I got sick of my rubber chinese lathe.
[02:20:07] <SpeedEvil> :_
[02:20:09] <SpeedEvil> :)
[02:20:20] <_methods> yeah crappy machines get frustrating
[02:20:27] <XXCoder> rubber lol
[02:20:36] <andypugh> The Holbrook is twice the width and more than twice the depth of bed, and fractionally shorter.
[02:20:41] <_methods> that tailstock is nuts
[02:20:58] <andypugh> The tailstock has an oil-sump and dipstick!
[02:21:09] <furrywolf> andypugh: some manufacturers say you have to derate to 2/3rds power when feeding single-phase into a 3-phase device, to prevent melting the input rectifiers. you might want to check if yours is one of these, or do a quick temperature check after running at full power.
[02:21:12] <_methods> power feed on the tailstock?
[02:21:58] <_methods> oh nm just for coolant/cutting oil
[02:22:06] <andypugh> furrywolf: It was a test, 1kVA transformer, 2.2kVA inverter. The inverter dropped out 3 time spinning up the motor as the transformer sagged.
[02:22:19] <furrywolf> lol
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[02:23:06] <furrywolf> I actually asked Lambda about this once, and one of their engineers stated all their power supplies will run perfectly off 1ph as long as you derate to 2/3rds. there's also an increase in output ripple by about 1/3rd.
[02:23:10] <andypugh> But I now know what works (not the high-speed gearbox clutch, for one thing). It has an electrically-operated 2-speed box and an infinitely variable drive
[02:24:32] <furrywolf> I have a battery charger with selenium stacks (stack is relative, as it's only one plate!), that only puts out half its rating... despite the lack of blown-selenium-rectifier smell, I suspect it needs a couple new silicon diodes.
[02:24:42] <andypugh> I have a 2.2kVA 240V inverter, but I need to make a thing to get the lathe out from the wall to get to the motor.
[02:24:51] <furrywolf> usually you can smell them from about a block away when they go
[02:25:53] <andypugh> I checked the motor could be re-wired for 240 before I moved it into the garage. Why I didn’t actually do it right then I have no idea.
[02:26:10] <_methods> new machine insanity
[02:26:13] <_methods> happens all the time
[02:26:22] <_methods> you get so excited and want to put it where it goes
[02:26:28] <furrywolf> I don't think I own anything else with selenium stacks anymore... they've all failed or been scrapped/sold.
[02:26:39] <_methods> then you realize you're an idiot and should have done a bunch of stuff before you shoved it in the whole
[02:26:42] <_methods> hole
[02:26:51] <andypugh> Getting it out of the van was over-exciting.
[02:27:21] <_methods> moving machines is always nutz
[02:27:22] <XXCoder> seleum stacks
[02:27:37] <_methods> i'm doing a big 290" lathe on tuesday
[02:27:44] <furrywolf> I wish I had a hole to put my stuff in. it's all in storage or under tarps...
[02:27:48] <_methods> that one is gonna be fun
[02:28:11] <andypugh> This crfane says “2 tons” on the side. I was in the 1-ton position. As I pulled the (hired) van forwards the crane gave up with the lathe half-in and half-out the van.
[02:28:25] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/XL4OqxaxNMEKRxir614Jfn69jlxvlrTD6CexboMrrBE?feat=directlink
[02:28:26] <_methods> ouch
[02:28:50] <_methods> yeah i've seen some nice videos of those things folding over
[02:29:09] <XXCoder> furrywolf: invent time lord "inside is bigger" tech then ;)
[02:29:14] <XXCoder> man I would love to have that.
[02:29:25] <andypugh> Luckily a neigbour could grab a trolley-jack fast enough to stabilise the situation to give me time to think.
[02:29:36] <_methods> heheh
[02:30:14] <furrywolf> those chinese hoists suck.
[02:31:09] <andypugh> I turned the legs over, went to the 2 ton position from the side, and got the lathe safely to the floor. Without trashing the (hired) van.
[02:31:16] <_methods> it's a 3 phase lathe you should have derated the hoist by 2/3 lol
[02:32:00] <furrywolf> I need to get my pickup crane working... it's a lot sturdier than one of those chinese hoists.
[02:32:45] <furrywolf> it's rated for 3200lbs, which is less than the 4000lbs the chinese hoists are rated for... except it's rated with a 4x safety factor, rather than an 0.8x one.
[02:32:58] <andypugh> I was disappointed. The lathe is 750kg. I bought the 2-ton crane to have a bit more allowance, and it stilll wasn’t enough.
[02:33:27] <andypugh> The wheels are no-way rated to even 100kg, compared to real ones.
[02:33:30] <_methods> you roll it in on bars or do you have machine skates?
[02:33:59] <andypugh> Once it was on the ground I rolled it in bars. Much less frigtening.
[02:34:05] <furrywolf> china rates equipment with breaking strength, while real brands rate after a substantial safety factor... and the chinese stuff usually breaks well before its rating anyway...
[02:34:23] <_methods> egyptian style hehe
[02:34:28] <furrywolf> 3:1 and 4:1 are standard for name-brand equipment. 1:1 to 0.5:1 is typical for china...
[02:35:18] <furrywolf> heh, I was at harbor freight today, and they had 20,000lb snatch blocks on sale... that were substantially crappier than my 6000lb non-harbor-freight ones.
[02:35:29] <andypugh> furrywolf: Well, in this case it failed at 75% rated load at the position selected, and 35% of the max load.
[02:36:12] <XXCoder> yuk, glad this was dealt with
https://www.eater.com/2015/5/29/8686323/restaurant-sonic-hamburger-hot-dog-bun-bathroom-storage
[02:36:13] <andypugh> I _thought_ I had made allowance for the fact that the crane was very cheap. Like £124
[02:36:47] <andypugh> Anyway, so now I have two nasty 2-ton cranes, one a bit bemt.
[02:37:14] <andypugh> (can’t fault KMS customer service, I had the offer of a replacement or a refund)
[02:37:27] <furrywolf> so get the replacement or refund?
[02:37:46] <andypugh> I am trying to work out what the extra material and hydraulic ram is good for.
[02:38:05] <furrywolf> for building other things you want to break and/or leak, obviously. :P
[02:38:52] <furrywolf> XXCoder: heh, the local cafe here just got a health inspection... with absolutely nothing wrong. the owner tacked it to the wall with PERFECT written across it in highlighter. :P
[02:39:26] <XXCoder> thats kinda odd lol
[02:39:31] <andypugh> Because the lathe has things at the back that need attention I am going to make a frame with wheels that can be assembled round it when I need to pull it out every year or so.
[02:39:41] <Valen> andypugh: got a pic of the lathe?
[02:40:30] <andypugh> Valen: Can you see :
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Holbrook?authkey=Gv1sRgCMvRgKyouM3f3wE
[02:40:45] <Valen> yes yes i can
[02:40:51] <furrywolf> I need to build a new cart for my shoptask... the one it's on blocks access to the belt cover, and will block access to the electronics enclosure when I finish it.
[02:41:08] <Valen> seems pretty compact for 750kg
[02:41:30] <andypugh> Yes. I think the motor weight more than the CCL (Cheap Chinese Lathe)
[02:41:46] <Valen> hah that is one huge ass motor on it
[02:42:04] <Valen> does it have a gearbox or something on the front of it?
[02:42:10] <Tom_itx> andypugh what's the big resistor for?
[02:42:26] <andypugh> D1-4 is pretty oversize for a 10x20 lathe too.
[02:42:26] <Tom_itx> brake?
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[02:42:45] <furrywolf> https://gokartmods.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/img_1732.jpg?w=614&h=822 lol surface finish
[02:42:47] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Something to do with the variable-speed motor that handles feeds
[02:43:17] <Valen> furrywolf: very hard to see surface finish in photos
[02:43:18] <andypugh> furrywolf: Good gasket grip isn’t a bad thing
[02:44:59] <furrywolf> that just looks rough to me... definitely not the nice clean finish it'd have back from an engine shop.
[02:45:34] <Valen> I presume they would grind and or lap it if they wanted it smooth?
[02:46:25] <furrywolf> dunno, it's some guy in his garage making is gokart rev to 8k instead of the 4k honda says never to exceed...
[02:47:01] <furrywolf> should I port and polish my generator? :P
[02:47:11] <furrywolf> bbl, actually putting generator together instead of sitting at computer...
[02:47:48] <_methods> that lathe is in good shape from what it looks like
[02:48:06] <_methods> no chuck?
[02:48:56] <andypugh> Tom_itx: There is a fixed 300V supply from the main transformer through a rectifier for the feed-motor field, then the armature is fed by a phase-neutral feed via a variable resistor, (or possilbly a variac, I can’t tell from the part or the drawing). The resistor seems to be permanently across the armature, so probably braking before switches were cheap.
[02:49:12] <andypugh> _methods: 3-jaw, 4-jaw and faceplate.
[02:49:18] <_methods> oh wow score
[02:49:54] <andypugh> furrywolf: 8k isn’t all that high. 4k is _very_ low
[02:50:25] <andypugh> My bike is 4 250cc engines in a row and they rev to 14k
[02:50:57] <_methods> andypugh: google+ is broke off from google photos now
[02:51:17] <_methods> so you can send links right from the new google photos with no google+ bs
[02:52:07] <andypugh> _methods: How?
[02:52:33] <andypugh> (or, did I do it right, or not?)
[02:53:16] <_methods> https://goo.gl/photos/dC84WSaTXSC4pH7o6
[02:53:24] <_methods> i went to google photos
[02:53:31] <_methods> that is an album test
[02:53:43] <_methods> people seemed to have problems with imgur albums
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[02:54:24] <_methods> then in google photos i just click that share symbol
[02:54:37] <_methods> the 3 points with lines connecting them
[02:54:58] <_methods> and then the direct link button
[02:57:10] <andypugh> When I used to do that then folk with G+ got redirected in an annoying way, so I got into the habit of going to the photo, editing the URL to add ?noredirect=1 then checkiong that worked and posting that link. But then that seemed to work even less well the last week or so.
[02:57:42] <_methods> yeah
[02:58:00] <_methods> probably cause google was googlin up the photo section
[02:58:28] <_methods> but at least now you can send people pics from google photos without g+ being involved
[02:58:32] <archivist> _methods, that link gives a white screen for me
[02:58:36] <_methods> people seemed to genuinely hate google+
[02:58:43] <_methods> really?
[02:58:46] <archivist> yes
[02:58:47] <_methods> the album one?
[02:58:50] <archivist> yes
[02:59:01] <_methods> https://goo.gl/photos/XVYhakfUw6wNsQ9K8
[02:59:04] <_methods> that one?
[02:59:09] <_methods> that's individual pic
[02:59:38] <_methods> damn albums
[02:59:53] <andypugh> You didn’t want that to run away did you?
[02:59:59] <_methods> heheh no
[03:00:34] <_methods> after you get hit in the head by a flying part you develop a clamp style OCD
[03:00:37] <archivist> you can see I get redirected too
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/grabs/Screenshot-26.png
[03:00:49] <andypugh> I actually like G+ more than Facebook. I can’t actually work FB, nor do I want to.
[03:01:08] <_methods> yeah i like g+ myself
[03:01:23] <archivist> I self host, I get no problems, only the users download speed
[03:01:24] <_methods> well damn apparently they have some kinks to work out on photos
[03:01:48] <_methods> i have no facebook
[03:02:02] <archivist> pure html and directlinks to images with no funny business
[03:02:29] <_methods> well i've had people get all mad because i post links to self hosted files and images
[03:02:42] <_methods> one day i'll find something that works for everyone
[03:02:56] <_methods> imgur does pretty well so i'll probably stick to that
[03:03:27] <archivist> I can see direct links to imgure but not albums
[03:03:42] <archivist> that too has screwed js
[03:05:02] <_methods> yeah i just stick to single images anymore
[03:05:17] <andypugh> It appears to be dawn here, time to sleep.
[03:05:31] <andypugh> Night all…. Err morning folks.
[03:05:32] <_methods> lathe dreams
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[03:06:11] <archivist> it is 4 am here :)
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[03:09:04] <furrywolf> andy: 4k is high for a lawnmower engine that's normally governed at 3600...
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[03:10:46] <furrywolf> I just took a little bit of the fur off one of my paws... did you know you can use a cordless drill as a flamethrower? stupid california low-VOC brake cleaner. I cleaned the brushes earlier. apparantly it pooled somewhere and didn't evaporate, because it's california low-voc brake cleaner. guess what happens when you go to use it? heh
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[03:21:42] <MattyMatt> I made a rocket gun out of a soldering gun once. I had to ask the victim to hold still while it ignited properly
[03:25:54] <MattyMatt> I go for the caustic when I've got carbon deposits to remove, but that probably needs even more care to clean up
[03:26:04] <MattyMatt> or more water at least
[03:26:26] <MattyMatt> and then a full regrease
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[04:27:29] <furrywolf> enough generator assembley for tonight... finished putting the head on, installed rockers, set valve lash, installed heat shields, installed valve cover, found all the parts to put together an exhaust system (except for a spark arrestor - will need to buy one), installed exhaust studs, installed exhaust.
[04:27:59] <furrywolf> I found a muffler that looked like it still had a spark arrestor... pulled it out to find someone had carefully cut off the screen from the back of it.
[04:35:35] <furrywolf> tomorrow, if I have time, need to clean a carb (I have a half dozen in various states of uselessness), and figure out the right sequence of gaskets and spacers to get it on. I don't have the right airbox, so I'll need to just screw the carb down with some spacers for testing.
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[05:46:43] <zeeshan> furry whats the plan with the generator?
[05:46:49] <zeeshan> just wanna use it for portable power?
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[07:48:27] <robin_sz> so ... my drive enables will not invert ... I can see the gpio.013.output_invert true line in the conf, but it seems to have no effect .. hardware is a Mesa card, with 7i33
[07:54:15] <archivist> I think you just connect to the right pin (true or invert)
[07:56:51] <robin_sz> hmm ... i was using pncconf
[07:57:56] <robin_sz> I shall have a play next time I am in front of the machine
[07:58:20] <archivist> that is what pncconf should be doing for you, check the hal file it produces
[08:02:38] <robin_sz> yep. I did. It had the extra setp line when the box was ticked, but it had no effect on the hardware
[08:03:38] <robin_sz> I have to admit I dont understand the gpio.013 bit ... what does the 013 refer to?
[08:04:20] <archivist> the pin itself
[08:04:24] <robin_sz> pin?
[08:04:49] <robin_sz> i mean, is that the gpio pin on the mesa?
[08:04:51] <archivist> pin/bit of the io register
[08:04:55] <robin_sz> oh right
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[08:06:42] <robin_sz> its actually on (physical) pin 12 of the 7i33, which is gpio 10 of the anything io
[08:07:00] <robin_sz> so how does that map to 13?
[08:07:55] <archivist> does it map at all? are you looking at the right one?
[08:08:11] <robin_sz> I have the 7i33 manual here
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[08:08:50] <robin_sz> oh, hmm
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[08:10:10] <robin_sz> im going to need to look at the 5i20 manual as well I think
[08:10:40] <robin_sz> iirc the HAL file was using pins 12,13 and 16 for x,y,z enables
[08:11:21] <robin_sz> would those be the gpio channels on the 5i20?
[08:16:54] <robin_sz> a "standard" 7i33 has 4 servo interfaces, with the enables being on gpio 10,11,22 and 23 ... so I don't see where these 012,013,016 numbers come into it?
[08:18:03] <robin_sz> although, its obviously not completely wrong as I am getting an enable signal on the right pin ...
[08:24:03] <archivist> time for me to go
http://www.middleton-leawood.org.uk/leawood/whatson2015.html
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[08:31:28] <dutchfish> hi, what would be a good way to connect the bars in a rigid way without spending a fortune on cornerpieces and hq t-nuts? My rig atm
http://www.yellowsource.org/images/cnc/cnc_bootstrap_part4.jpg
[08:31:59] <dutchfish> (all hd item profiles)
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[08:34:03] <dutchfish> i was thinking about bolt-through and tapping M8, but i dont know if that is a good solution
[08:34:31] <dutchfish> (like i did at the bridge)
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[08:39:45] <robin_sz> which bars?
[08:40:08] <dutchfish> robin_sz, the alu profiles in the picture
[08:41:09] <dutchfish> robin_sz, the perpendicular ones
[08:41:15] <robin_sz> yes, I saw the picture
[08:41:23] <robin_sz> the ones in the base?
[08:41:27] <dutchfish> yes
[08:41:57] <robin_sz> you have the M6 inserts for the track?
[08:42:08] <dutchfish> yes
[08:42:19] <dutchfish> (t-nuts)
[08:42:25] <robin_sz> so, buy a piece of wood ... 30mm MDF
[08:42:44] <robin_sz> put M6 t nuts in the slots every 100mm
[08:43:04] <robin_sz> make holes in wood, bolt through with large washers
[08:43:10] <dutchfish> i tried that already like the piece on the left bottom corner, but it is not rigid enough
[08:43:18] <robin_sz> no
[08:43:21] <robin_sz> not like that
[08:43:25] <dutchfish> ok
[08:43:27] <robin_sz> take a BIG piece
[08:43:34] <robin_sz> 600mm x 600mm
[08:43:40] <robin_sz> make a base for the machine
[08:43:49] <dutchfish> at the bottom side?
[08:43:52] <robin_sz> yep
[08:44:06] <dutchfish> and then bolt it all together?
[08:44:09] <robin_sz> yep
[08:44:18] <dutchfish> or aluminium plate
[08:44:24] <robin_sz> if you like
[08:44:30] <robin_sz> but MDF is stable and cheap
[08:44:32] <dutchfish> 10mm is not that expensive
[08:44:40] <robin_sz> plus, it absorbs vibration
[08:44:52] <dutchfish> a 600 x 600 x 10mm is around 80 euro
[08:45:01] <dutchfish> ah ic
[08:45:24] <robin_sz> 600x600 x 40mm .. is 10
[08:45:32] <robin_sz> kitchen worktop ;)
[08:45:41] <dutchfish> i have some 19mm construction plywood left with that brown epoxy finish on each side
[08:45:53] <robin_sz> that could work
[08:46:11] <robin_sz> use big washers, 30mm dia on the back side
[08:46:13] <dutchfish> its watertight
[08:46:21] <dutchfish> oki
[08:46:23] <robin_sz> yep, phenolic resin
[08:46:41] <robin_sz> I built a machine on a slab of 50mm MDF once
[08:46:46] <dutchfish> it is used on concrete molding
[08:46:53] <robin_sz> was perfect, still in production 10 years later
[08:47:10] <robin_sz> actually, you can see it in picture on linuxcnc home page :)
[08:47:25] <dutchfish> i get it for free as in container diving every now and then
[08:47:33] <robin_sz> yep
[08:47:37] <dutchfish> (leftovers)
[08:48:08] <dutchfish> robin_sz, good idea, i will try your suggestion
[08:48:14] <dutchfish> thanks!
[08:48:19] <robin_sz> you are welcome
[08:49:07] <dutchfish> if anything fails i can always churn 200+ euros for the casted corner pieces, but thats quiet some
[08:50:36] <dutchfish> and your idea is still demountable without destroying anything
[08:51:03] <dutchfish> great
[08:52:04] <dutchfish> the t-nuts also have enough space to move, to exactly trim things out
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[09:35:27] <robin_sz> sigh ... I wish I could understand this HAL thing
[09:38:05] <XXCoder> hardware abstraction level
[09:38:06] <XXCoder> fun
[09:38:40] <robin_sz> so ... I have a Mesa 5i20 with a 7i33 adaptor card ok?
[09:38:56] <robin_sz> hung on i/o 0-23 of the Mesa
[09:39:11] <robin_sz> with me so far?
[09:39:15] <dutchfish> ok
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[09:39:31] <Deejay> layer
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[09:40:12] <robin_sz> and I have the _enable for the Y channel on Pin 25 of the adaptor card
[09:40:41] <dutchfish> robin_sz, is that active high or low?
[09:40:51] <robin_sz> and that is connected to IO channel 23 of the Mesa
[09:41:08] <robin_sz> sorry, IO channel 11
[09:41:56] <robin_sz> infact the 0,1,2 and 3 channel enables are IO channel 10,11, 22 and 23
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[09:42:06] <dutchfish> robin_sz, one more Q, is your quad driving a separate output amp that also need to be enabled?
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[09:42:46] <dutchfish> robin_sz, xyz enable is not the same as output enable for the end stage
[09:43:10] <dutchfish> (depending on your setup)
[09:43:16] <robin_sz> but the HAL file has the setp lines talking about gpio.012 , gpio.013 gpio.016
[09:43:54] <dutchfish> robin_sz, well, the anything i/o card can be setup to route anything to anything, is it been probably setup (firware)?
[09:44:11] <dutchfish> s/probably/properly
[09:44:20] <dutchfish> (sorry for my poor english)
[09:44:22] <robin_sz> my problem is I set the signal to be inverted (active low) and it doesnt work
[09:44:33] <robin_sz> the pncconf adds an extra line
[09:45:05] <robin_sz> something like "setp <something>.gpio.013.ouput_invert true"
[09:45:13] <robin_sz> but it makes no change
[09:45:21] <dutchfish> robin_sz, think of this start-?active low on anything i/o line -> 7i33 -> active high on output line
[09:45:34] <robin_sz> yes, i know
[09:45:59] <robin_sz> but adding that invert line should flip the sense of the signal?
[09:47:02] <dutchfish> robin_sz, depending on your end driver this might need different output to enable both the end stage and the drive direction, some have tri-state meaning, even if the enable is high, the direction in tri-state prohibits to enable the output stage.
[09:47:15] <robin_sz> nope
[09:47:20] <robin_sz> forget the driver
[09:47:24] <dutchfish> ok
[09:47:29] <robin_sz> the pin on the 7i33
[09:47:33] <dutchfish> (i walked into this myself)
[09:47:37] <robin_sz> it goes high when machine is on
[09:47:42] <dutchfish> ok
[09:47:42] <robin_sz> I wnat it to go low
[09:47:54] <dutchfish> then active low
[09:47:55] <robin_sz> I add the line (using pncconf) ..
[09:48:02] <robin_sz> and it still goes high
[09:48:19] <dutchfish> even if the reverse option is ticked?
[09:48:28] <robin_sz> I just ticked the "invert" option
[09:48:37] <robin_sz> it has no effect
[09:48:40] <dutchfish> sorry, yes, the invert option
[09:48:46] <robin_sz> I can see the change in the HAL file
[09:48:55] <robin_sz> but, the output stays the same
[09:48:59] <dutchfish> ok
[09:49:12] <micges> did you try 'setp <something>.gpio.013.ouput_invert 1' ?
[09:49:24] <micges> and True
[09:49:31] <robin_sz> i tried true
[09:49:38] <robin_sz> as thats what pncconf does
[09:49:43] <micges> ah ok
[09:50:01] <robin_sz> shodl I try 1?
[09:50:17] <micges> if pncconf uses true it should also work now
[09:51:05] <robin_sz> do you know where that number 013 coems from?
[09:51:37] <robin_sz> its not the Mesa IO channel number
[09:51:47] <dutchfish> robin_sz, the LUT number in the vhdl code of the fpga on that board
[09:52:12] <robin_sz> ok, i didnt study the vhdl
[09:52:23] <dutchfish> robin_sz, it is rewarding to do so ;)
[09:53:24] <micges> robin_sz: what firmware do you use?
[09:53:33] <robin_sz> umm ...
[09:53:35] <robin_sz> SV12?
[09:54:26] <robin_sz> the pin DOES toglle with machine enable, but just wont invert
[09:55:13] <dutchfish> robin_sz, do you have a scope?
[09:55:24] <robin_sz> many
[09:55:24] <dutchfish> robin_sz, or able to use HAL scope?
[09:55:40] <dutchfish> then you can check its outputs
[09:55:48] <robin_sz> ?
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[09:56:16] <robin_sz> I already said, it goes high when the machine is enabled
[09:56:23] <dutchfish> robin_sz, i have a hnch, like micges said, that there is another routing scheme, then we anticipate in the firmware
[09:56:24] <micges> robin_sz: according to pin file you should invert pins: 10,11,22, and 23
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[09:57:06] <robin_sz> micges, those are the anything io channel numbers
[09:57:56] <robin_sz> joints 0,1,2,3 enables are IO channels 11,10,23,22 on the 5i20
[09:58:53] <robin_sz> so why does pncconf assign the enables to .012, .013, .016 etc ?
[09:59:59] <robin_sz> ok, I'll go back to workshop and try it, it could be that Pncconf is just wrong i guess
[10:00:00] <dutchfish> robin_sz, looks like the par port schematic, iow 14 and 15 unused
[10:00:17] <robin_sz> weird
[10:00:19] <dutchfish> yes
[10:00:48] <robin_sz> but then I dont understand how I am seeign an enable signal on 10 and 11 ....
[10:01:00] <robin_sz> anyway ... I will go and try it7
[10:02:29] <dutchfish> robin_sz, one more thingy, if in the past a par port setup has been used with the wizzard, it tries to be clever (not) and remember those for the par port, start with a clean setup.
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[10:03:24] <robin_sz> its never been set up with par port
[10:03:29] <dutchfish> ok
[10:07:38] <micges> robin_sz: can't tell, I never used pncconf
[10:07:56] <micges> docs says 10,11,22,23
[10:07:57] <micges> try it
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[10:16:16] <robin_sz> yep, same as I have in the Mesa manaul, will try and report back
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[11:58:44] <robinsz> http://pastebin.ca/3019320
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[12:27:13] <robinsz> how do you create an account for the forum?
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[12:33:25] <robinsz> pesky software :) .. oh well, perhaps someone will be able to figure it out
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[14:59:54] <zeeshan> another beautiful day
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[15:07:47] <Jymmm> Those are pretty good....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAg5vIibQ4A
[15:09:19] <furrywolf> Jymmm: see what I said last night? HF has your wheels on sale for $4 this weekend.
[15:09:46] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Yes, thanks. you wee offline when I saw the messae.
[15:10:02] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Did you see the ammo boxes for $5?
[15:10:28] <furrywolf> no
[15:10:53] <zeeshan> furry wolf you didnt answer me
[15:10:55] <zeeshan> furry whats the plan with the generator?
[15:10:58] <zeeshan> just wanna use it for portable power?
[15:11:01] <Jymmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/ammo-box-61451.html
[15:12:31] <furrywolf> zeeshan: I have an eu3000is I use as a backup for my solar system. I had a second one, but it got stolen. now I have two again. The one I'm currently working on will probably be premaloaned to a relative. The one I fix after that, a smaller eu2000i, will be used for portable power. If I can fix the eu6500is, it'll probably become the new backup for my solar system, and I'll permaloan one of the two 3000s...
[15:13:08] <furrywolf> s/premaloaned/permaloaned
[15:14:11] <furrywolf> eh, the ammo boxes I have are heavy-gauge steel with gaskets, not plastic...
[15:17:29] <Jymmm> same, but it has a gasket and pad for lock
[15:17:57] <furrywolf> somehow I doubt chinese plastic to be nearly as sturdy as surplus steel ones. heh.
[15:18:18] <Jymmm> Vehicle transport in a LOCKED container
[15:19:56] <furrywolf> long gun on a gun rack? :P
[15:21:04] <Jymmm> get you pulled over as soon as you hit the highway =)
[15:21:11] <Jymmm> Damn Kommifornia
[15:21:55] <furrywolf> no, long guns are legal, as long as they're in plain sight.
[15:26:10] <furrywolf> a friend of mine got arrested for having his hunting rifle under his seat... that's illegal. but having it on a gun rack, waiting for a tweeker to smash the window, grab it, then go kill someone, is perfectly legal.
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[15:33:14] <Jymmm> how did he get busted? Didn't offer the cop a beer of his/her own?
[15:34:10] <furrywolf> they stopped him for speeding, if I remember right, then conducted an illegal search of his vehicle. did you know that if an officer asks you if they can search your vehicle, and you answer "no", that counts as probable cause and they can search your vehicle anyway? 4th ammendment, what's that?
[15:34:47] <Jymmm> You never say "no", you ask what for?
[15:35:46] <Jymmm> Exit vehicle, lock and shut door, keys inside.
[15:37:40] <furrywolf> like that doesn't give them probable cause. lol
[15:37:50] <Jymmm> "Dont Talk to Police" (49m)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
[15:38:06] <Tecan> i have the right to remain silent :)
[15:38:26] <Jymmm> Tecan: But do you have the ability to do so?
[15:39:06] <Tecan> 50 never bother me
[15:39:17] <Tecan> im just a designer
[15:39:35] <furrywolf> I need to pick up a good locking gun rack... one that actually takes more than half a second to break.
[15:40:23] <Jymmm> Tecan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=neUaSTSKFZc#t=138
[15:44:56] <furrywolf> I wonder what the law says about using the factory rifle holder on my truck? I'd need to pick up a correct M1 to go with it...
[15:46:20] <furrywolf> it's behind the seats, but high enough it wouldn't be concealed
[15:47:36] <furrywolf> bbl, time to head off for yard sales
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[16:00:33] <Jymmm> http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Transporting
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[16:19:14] <alex4nder> good ol' calguns
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[17:11:21] <Gurwinder_> alex4nder: Want to know about help page of linuxcnc
[17:11:35] <alex4nder> Gurwinder_: what distribution / kernel are you building this on?
[17:12:51] <Gurwinder_> 3.13.0-32-generic
[17:13:19] <alex4nder> on Ubuntu?
[17:13:30] <Gurwinder_> ubuntu 14.04
[17:13:45] <alex4nder> what are you going to do with LinuxCNC?
[17:14:00] <alex4nder> because for someone new, it's easier to just install a prebuilt LinuxCNC image
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[17:14:28] <alex4nder> building your own is not hard, but to do real work, you're going to want some type of realtime kernel
[17:16:02] <Gurwinder_> I want to do a task for linuxcnc for GSoC 2015
[17:16:11] <alex4nder> ah
[17:16:15] <alex4nder> a realtime task?
[17:16:27] <alex4nder> meaning, running an actual machine
[17:16:36] <Gurwinder_> Yes
[17:16:53] <Gurwinder_> But I am not familiar with linuxcnc.
[17:17:03] <Gurwinder_> Harder for me to understand it
[17:17:32] <Gurwinder_> But trying my best to choose a project which will be completed in one and half month in this GSoC
[17:17:38] <alex4nder> well, if you're going to develop on it, you'll want a real environment to use it in
[17:17:59] <alex4nder> so that means a realtime kernel, and installing all of the development bits
[17:19:23] <Gurwinder_> Hmm, Is its possible to do development without knowing well about cnc machines?
[17:19:36] <alex4nder> yah
[17:19:42] <alex4nder> you just have to learn as you go
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[17:20:42] <Gurwinder_> Ok, I think developing help pages is a good starting point for me
[17:20:52] <Gurwinder_> Is it?
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[17:21:42] <alex4nder> Gurwinder_: sure, read everything you can
[17:22:07] <alex4nder> Gurwinder_: I build my own LinuxCNC installs on top of Debian, with my own kernel.. so if you have questions about doing that from scratch, let me know
[17:22:22] <alex4nder> it's really easy these days
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[17:26:08] <Gurwinder_> Ok, I think I will do it now. If any question regarding it I will ask :) By the way thanks to you :)
[17:27:32] <Gurwinder_> Till now I am installing dependencies after that I will be able to ask something.
[17:28:27] <alex4nder> ok cool
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[18:01:43] <wollw|srv> Hi, I'm trying to set up a tripod like machine and I'm having trouble figuring out what I'm doing wrong. Do I need to write my own kinematics module, or will tripodkins work? I've tried basing my settings off of the tripod sample provided with linuxcnc, but when I change the joint distances to new ones, home in joint mode, and switch to world mode, i get errors and strange Z values like -2400. I assu
[18:01:49] <wollw|srv> me I'm missing some INI config or HAL setup, but I must be overlooking it in the manual...
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[18:09:54] <Jymmm> furrywolf: The ammo box was "cute"
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[18:28:26] <wollw|srv> And why does the joint position change when I change from from joint to world and then back to joint?
[18:29:36] <norias> i've heard people have that problem
[18:29:48] <norias> you have to decide to either always smoke joints
[18:29:53] <norias> or never smoke joints
[18:30:33] <wollw|srv> heh
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[18:40:35] <wollw|srv> ...figures, i spend all night banging my head against the wall only to swallow my pride to ask on irc... and i figure it out myself in like half an hour after asking >_>
[18:41:07] <wollw|srv> this always happens lol
[18:42:41] <cpresser> wollw|srv: so, what was the issue?
[18:43:59] <wollw|srv> my home values were bad
[18:44:08] * cpresser might run into similar problems with scarakins
[18:45:37] <wollw|srv> i guess i misunderstood something during my initial setup because it seems my axis home values were putting my Z coordinate quite far outside my limits
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[18:47:52] <skunkworks> always such half baked ideas on here
[18:48:36] <Loetmichel2> sooo, finished installing win7 on the elitebook 2540p... now i have to foramt and reinstall the dell precision M4400... and then drive to my sister tomorrow so she can have mobile comoputing again with both ;-) (one for her, one for her man, because both of the old one she had are dying)
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[19:41:49] <dirty_d> it works and im still alive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4ulbshPJcU
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[20:51:30] <varesa> I have a feeling my steppers are missing steps... The X-axis zero shifted by half of my workpiece during the test milling :)
[20:51:53] <malcom2073> Crank down the speed or crank up the amps :-D
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[20:52:36] <varesa> for now it'll have to be the speed. I'm going to get better drives in the future
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[20:54:18] <varesa> No idea how to change the current on this:
http://cloud.finbit.dy.fi/index.php/s/pxOaiLhBpxxIz4P (with the jumpers as they are the trimpots on the right are disconnected)
[20:55:56] <Deejay> gn8
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[20:57:45] <varesa> now my wooden block is ruined, need to saw a new one tomorrow (still re-homed and restarted it, but the result won't be of much use)
[20:57:59] <varesa> ;)
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[21:30:54] <luiscr> Hello, I am having trouble with my config files (I assume), I was hoping I could get some help. What is the preferred way of sharing the files?
[21:32:00] <pcw_home> pastebin or similar (or the forum)
[21:32:04] <Tom_itx> paste.debian.net
[21:32:05] <Tom_itx> etc
[21:33:40] <luiscr> ok, thanks
[21:34:19] <Tom_itx> pcw_home near as i can tell all 3 buffer chips took a hit, one only has one bad io i think but i'd like to confirm before i desolder them when you get time
[21:34:24] <pcw_home> Tom_itx: your email?
[21:34:50] <Tom_itx> pm
[21:35:47] <pcw_home> sent
[21:35:51] <pcw_home> bbl
[21:35:52] <Tom_itx> thanks
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[21:45:57] <varesa> yeah those drives (I think it's the drives) are more trouble than it's worth
[21:47:12] <varesa> I set the speed to 50% and it still lost position. I've had to lower homing speeds a few times because the motors couldn't move that fast (was slow-ish to begin with)
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[21:53:08] <luiscr1> http://p.pomf.se/7805
[21:53:35] <luiscr1> those are the config files and a brief explanation of my problem
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[22:01:12] <luiscr1> nevermid, solved it
[22:01:18] <luiscr1> *nevermind
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[22:31:04] <luiscr1> huh, my configuration is hanging upon startup, is there anyway to get some meaningful data as to why it is doing that? I cant even switch to another tty
[22:31:28] <Roguish> luiscrl: dmesg
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[22:31:55] <andypugh> My Cheap Chinese lathe and my new not-chinese lathe have, on paper about the the same spec. CCl is 9x30, Holbrrok is 10x20. Just for fun I tried the CCL taitlstock on the Holbrook. It does actually drop into the gap between the ways.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/C8QoT1ukSXen-trEZFUs-H69jlxvlrTD6CexboMrrBE?feat=directlink
[22:32:02] <Roguish> try to run from a console window.
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[22:32:38] <luiscr1> yeah, because i am having to reisub in order to be able to do anything
[22:32:41] <luiscr1> i will try that
[22:33:00] <andypugh> Indeed, open a terninal and type “linuxcnc”, you might well see a meaningful error message
[22:33:23] <andypugh> If not, then type “dmesg” and put the last 100 lines or so at www.pastebin.ca
[22:33:38] <Roguish> add a DEBUG line in the .ini
[22:33:50] <andypugh> No need for that yet, I suspect
[22:34:04] <Roguish> and set it high to get lots of info (sometimes too much!)
[22:34:32] <andypugh> luiscr1: Did it work before? What’s the hardware? PC + Parport or some sort of PCI card?
[22:34:37] <luiscr1> the terminal just outputs "twopass: invoked with <> options" before freezing
[22:34:46] <Roguish> start with a 'sudo dmesg -c' to clear the messages.
[22:35:08] <andypugh> luiscr1: Has anything changed since it last worked?
[22:35:23] <andypugh> Or has it never worked?
[22:35:32] <luiscr1> it has never worked
[22:35:39] <luiscr1> for different reasons
[22:35:59] <andypugh> Did you deliberately ser up twopass processing?
[22:36:02] <luiscr1> i am using a universal stepper controller
[22:36:08] <andypugh> Pico, OK
[22:36:12] <luiscr1> yes, but i will disable it and see what happens
[22:36:42] <andypugh> Twopass needs components to use names= I think
[22:36:51] <andypugh> (I have not used it myself)
[22:36:55] <Jymmm> I'm looking for the 1" version of these
http://www.homedepot.com/p/National-Hardware-1-5-8-in-Zinc-Plated-Gate-Pipe-Clamp-300BC-1-5-8IN-PIPE-CLAMP/203359505
[22:38:09] <andypugh> luiscr1: Actually, keep twopass on, but give it some options as described here:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/starting-emc.html#_twopass
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[22:38:24] <luiscr1> oh god... i am an idiot
[22:38:43] <Tom_itx> never admit that
[22:38:59] <andypugh> TWOPASS = on or off is needed, I think
[22:39:12] <luiscr1> yeah, i had it set to off
[22:39:15] <luiscr1> that is odd
[22:39:35] <andypugh> It might well not actually understand “off”
[22:39:45] <luiscr1> it is actually uppercased
[22:39:52] <luiscr1> "OFF"
[22:39:54] <andypugh> Becaue you would probably just not bother if you didn’t want ti
[22:40:39] <andypugh> I don’t think “on” would ever cause any problems.
[22:42:08] <luiscr1> i commented it out, now the terminal just outputs an unrecognized line skipped but no other description
[22:42:36] <luiscr1> i think I should just post the conf files, it is probably a super obvious problem i am not seeing
[22:43:06] <andypugh> I doubt that this is the issue, but rather than commenting it out, use TWOPASS = on
[22:43:19] <luiscr1> ok
[22:43:31] <andypugh> What’s the line number of the unrecognised line?
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[22:46:02] <norias> 25
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[22:49:43] <andypugh> <confused>
[22:49:51] <furrywolf> not too much at yard sales today... a new kitchen cooktop, a bug zapper, a fall harness, a jbl l166 missing woofer, some assorted craftsman sockets, a 5gal bucket of nail gun nails, and some little things.
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[22:50:46] <luiscr> so, yeah, i set "TWOPASS = ON" and now the unrecognized line is that one
[22:50:56] <andypugh> I don’t see how ou could build a hanglider from that.
[22:51:23] <andypugh> luiscr: lower case
[22:51:36] <luiscr> yeah, i tried that too
[22:52:21] <andypugh> But, where is this line? You don’t get that message for INI file entries, as they are “pulled” not “pushed” so my guess is that you have it in the HAL?
[22:53:45] <luiscr> i have twopass set on my ini file
[22:55:27] <andypugh> Which LinuxCNC version?
[22:55:59] <luiscr> i should note, I am basically using a modified version of the usc sample configurations, which seem to be quite old
[22:56:06] <luiscr> i am using version 2.6.7
[22:56:14] <andypugh> (Maybe I am wrong about how the [HAL] section is parsed?
[22:56:44] <andypugh> Has your INI file ever passed through a windows machine?
[22:57:01] <andypugh> Maybe the line-endings are messed up?
[22:57:36] <andypugh> TWOPASS should work on 2.5+
[22:57:36] <luiscr> i am pretty sure it is using unix line endings but i will double check
[22:58:05] <andypugh> Is TWOPASS in the [HAL] section, and what happens uf you just delete it?
[22:58:44] <andypugh> robinsz: Did you sort out your 5i20?
[22:59:22] <robinsz> well, as per post, I understand where I screwed up now :)
[22:59:57] <robinsz> I just bolted the enables to ground for now, so I can play with the servos
[23:00:37] <andypugh> Do you think there is a pncconf bug on pin numbers? Or was it a problem of your own making?
[23:00:47] <robinsz> problem of my own making
[23:01:26] <robinsz> I am only using 3 encoders on the 7133
[23:01:31] <andypugh> I have been playing around with the Mesa drivers for so long I forget that it isn’t obvious
[23:01:43] <robinsz> I assigned enable to the spare GPIOs
[23:01:56] <robinsz> which is of course nonsense
[23:02:07] <robinsz> the enables are the third pin of the PWM
[23:02:27] <robinsz> anyway .. jogging question
[23:03:21] <andypugh> The “spare” enables might actually be available as a common enable pin, if you only have 3 PWMs and don’t care about the spare one being disabled.
[23:03:55] <robinsz> I have 4 pwms
[23:04:07] <robinsz> x y z and spindle
[23:04:27] <robinsz> anyway .. jogging
[23:04:44] <robinsz> why isnt continuous jog, errr .. continuous
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[23:05:22] <andypugh> It is, normally.
[23:05:38] <robinsz> it seems to stop after some small distance
[23:05:56] <andypugh> what imput method?
[23:06:14] <robinsz> the clicky button on the gui
[23:06:19] <andypugh> (keyboard, joypad, jogwheel…)
[23:06:32] <andypugh> Which GUI?
[23:06:45] <robinsz> the new 3d one :)
[23:06:53] <robinsz> Axis
[23:07:06] <andypugh> For certainl values of “new” :-)
[23:07:21] <robinsz> hey it was TkEMC when I last used emc
[23:07:44] <malcom2073> Tkemc is still around, I use it
[23:07:59] <robinsz> I re-wrote a lot of it, never got to release it though
[23:08:25] <andypugh> I just jogged continuously from +300 to -300 in axis.
[23:08:39] <robinsz> I set some new sensible jog increments, like 250mm, 100mm, 10mm, 2mm, .5mm
[23:08:55] <andypugh> So I don’t really know what is happening in your case
[23:09:05] <robinsz> it seems not willing to do the ones bigger than 2mm
[23:09:40] <andypugh> Is that an extra issue over and above continuous not working?
[23:10:10] <robinsz> i suspect hey are linked
[23:11:29] <luiscr> i tried just removing twopass, it still just freezes (or hangs), is there anyway to enable and log verbose debug information so i can go through it? Since the machine just freezes, I can't switch to a TTY nevermind opening a terminal and doing dmesg
[23:12:02] <robinsz> its a 2.5x1.25m router, it needs big jogs
[23:12:24] <andypugh> Just hanging might be an opngl issue, change the gui to tkemc as a test
[23:12:34] <robinsz> good point
[23:12:55] <robinsz> I'll call in at the unit tomorrow and play
[23:13:16] <andypugh> robinsz: I meant that for luiscr actually
[23:13:24] <robinsz> ohm ha
[23:13:26] <micges> also you should check if you don't have base/servo period too small
[23:15:31] <luiscr> micges: IIRC i set it to 50k and 100k
[23:15:51] <luiscr> not sure if that is too little, it is the same as the sample config that works
[23:16:02] <andypugh> 50k is pretty big
[23:16:18] <micges> yeah that's not it
[23:16:23] <andypugh> robinsz: I just set my VM to jog 100mm, no problems.
[23:16:37] <micges> luiscr: you're on ubuntu?
[23:17:14] <robinsz> hmm
[23:17:29] <robinsz> oh well, I shall look into it again
[23:17:45] <luiscr> micges: I used the livecd installer to create a persistent installation, i believe it is debian based? not sure if it is ubuntu or not
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[23:18:19] <andypugh> robinsz: I used INCREMENTS=0.1mm,1mm,10mm,100mm Perhaps the units are important?
[23:18:37] <andypugh> luiscr: That will be Debian Wheezy
[23:19:01] <robinsz> andypugh, i put the units in
[23:19:19] <andypugh> Did you use parsecs by mistake?
[23:19:28] <micges> luiscr: did you check any traces of error in /var/log ?
[23:20:08] <micges> look in kernel log
[23:20:19] <andypugh> good point, dmesg clears on restart, but not the file in /var/log/kernel.log
[23:20:45] <luiscr> micges: kern.log?
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[23:21:14] <micges> yes
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[23:33:16] <luiscr> damn, that is a large file, and since I am not sure what I am looking for i cant just grep it
[23:33:44] <luiscr> i tried grepping for RTAI logs but there was no particularly useful stuff there
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[23:45:50] <andypugh> luiscr: You just need the lines before the most recent boot.
[23:47:54] <luiscr> i am not sure about this but, according to me this : "Jun 6 18:15:18 cnctest kernel: imklog 5.8.11, log source = /proc/kmsg started." marks the most recent boot
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[23:49:05] <luiscr> and the lines before that are just about eth0 not having a link
[23:49:28] <andypugh> Excellent:
http://mathsgear.co.uk/products/torus-balloons
[23:50:26] <andypugh> That’s probably not the problem.
[23:55:26] <luiscr> i think i found something more useful, but not actually useful
[23:55:48] <luiscr> http://pastebin.com/Z9qZXwmw
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[23:59:00] <andypugh> I think that might be OK, it found one, and only one, PPMC board
