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[02:08:22] <Jymmm> I have one of these, but rusty. Whats a good way to clean it up enough to (protective) paint?
http://images.craigslist.org/00n0n_kAKPKYkMVQu_600x450.jpg
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[02:09:02] <Jymmm> And a way to paint it? lots of spray cans?
[02:09:07] <Jymmm> and with what?
[02:09:56] <CaptHindsight> outdoor coatings do not include epoxies
[02:10:04] <CaptHindsight> try a urethane
[02:10:30] <Jymmm> PU Paint?
[02:10:33] <CaptHindsight> for the rust clean, as much as you can and then use a conversion coating
[02:10:57] <Jymmm> conversion?
[02:11:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.theruststore.com/Rust-Converter-Quart-P41.aspx?gclid=CIGzg-u898UCFQioaQodNx0AFw or similar
[02:11:31] <furrywolf> those cost, what, $49.99? by the time you clean and paint it, you could buy a second, shiny one.
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[02:12:01] <Jymmm> furrywolf: Where? I got mine off craigslist
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[02:12:25] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_converter
[02:12:49] <Jymmm> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbranded-Tricam-Industries-3-cu-ft-Steel-Garden-Yard-Cart-SC100D2/202353039
[02:12:56] <Jymmm> Eh $90
[02:13:07] <furrywolf> I have found rust "conversion" products to be worthless. they don't convert the rust in any useful fashion, instead mostly just covering it... and as soon as it cracks, it starts rusting even worse than before.
[02:13:11] <CaptHindsight> https://www.menards.com/main/paint/solvents-cleaners-removers/strippers-removers/rustex-rust-converter-32oz/p-2203386.htm
[02:14:06] <Jymmm> It needs new tires ($12 from HF), Guess I can live with the rust =)
[02:14:15] <furrywolf> hrmm, looks like harbor freight doesn't carry them anymore.
[02:14:30] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: maybe the type you purchased
[02:14:40] <CaptHindsight> the chemistry works
[02:15:42] <Jymmm> A big vat and couple bottle of coca cola
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[02:15:51] <furrywolf> no, the chemistry does not. the products harden before being able to affect more than the very surface layer. and even if you had a non-drying liquid, it'd need to go on substantially thicker than the rust it's converting, to give sufficient active ingredients.
[02:15:56] <CaptHindsight> if you can, thats even better
[02:16:10] <furrywolf> I've tried several products, and NONE of them were useful on anything other than the lightest flash of surface rust.
[02:16:15] <CaptHindsight> furrywolf: now you're a chemist?!
[02:16:34] <furrywolf> no, I have actual real-world experience. it trumps advertising claims every time. :P
[02:16:38] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: you got it
[02:16:56] <CaptHindsight> it's chemistry and user error
[02:17:18] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I was kinda serious. I've heard it works, just never tried it myself... would be a cheap experiment
[02:17:48] <furrywolf> the "rustex" you pasted is a phosphoric acid product... they work, if you put them on in damp conditions, on very thin rust. the paint-like products do not work. note using the phosphoric acid ones is an annoying multi-step process.
[02:17:59] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4yYF8gSHdA or try this
[02:18:48] <furrywolf> ospho is the most common brand of such products here
[02:20:00] <furrywolf> naval jelly works on thicker rust than the liquid products, but is even less pleasant to use... and none of them will work on anything but thin rust.
[02:20:54] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: hasta
[02:21:12] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: hasta
[02:21:31] <furrywolf> the worst I've used, by far, was the duplicolor rust conversion paint... even when you got it to stay on the rust (instead of beading!), it really just coated it.
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[02:23:47] <furrywolf> por15 at least is honest, and states it encapsulates the rust, with no magic conversion claims.
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[02:25:11] <tjtr33> Jymmm, POR 15 the trial size goes a long way. its shiny black and works
[02:26:12] <furrywolf> here on the rainforst coast, EVERYTHING rusts... it's quite annoying. heh.
[02:26:16] <tjtr33> http://www.por15.com/
[02:26:35] <furrywolf> cars rust out from the top down, unlike areas with salted roads... you'll have a car with a perfect floorpan right until the roof falls off.
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[02:27:34] <Jymmm> tjtr33: can't find the trial size
[02:28:01] <furrywolf> electrolysis does work. evaporust does work, and works well, but is impractical for an object that large.
[02:28:10] <tjtr33> Jymmm,
http://www.por15.com/SUPER-STARTER-KIT--Black_p_11.html
[02:28:12] <furrywolf> if you can find an old fiberglass bathtub, you could try electrolysis.
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[02:29:10] <tjtr33> really does work, comes with the prep and wash and gloves and dufus sponge brush. if you like shiny black, you're all done.
[02:29:48] <furrywolf> ultrasonic cleaning works for anything you can fit in an ultrasonic cleaner, just very slowly - takes lots of energy to remove rust.
[02:29:57] <tjtr33> i painted a 6"dia 92" tall cast iron pipe with the kit
[02:29:58] <Jymmm> tjtr33: lol, thanks.
[02:30:23] <furrywolf> a larger ultrasonic cleaner is high up on my list of "when I have spare money" items. so nice to just drop a carb or something in mine and it comes out looking like new.
[02:31:09] <Jymmm> plastic trashcan might worl
[02:31:14] <Jymmm> work*
[02:31:34] <furrywolf> if it fits
[02:31:48] <tjtr33> 1$ turkey pan is now soaking a 32 posn Tool chain on back porch
[02:31:57] <Jymmm> Break it down to it's smallest pieces
[02:32:02] <tjtr33> yep
[02:32:18] <Jymmm> Maybe two pallets strapped together a poly sheet for a liner
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[02:32:31] <furrywolf> note that electrolysis is a messy, unpleasant undertaking... and you'll need to wire brush before painting. but it takes much less wire brushing than if you were removing the rust.
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[02:33:40] <Jymmm> When you start getting to the point of replace cost....
[02:35:23] <furrywolf> electrolysis is very cheap.
[02:35:50] <Jymmm> whats the deal with SOLID 10" tires?
[02:36:01] <furrywolf> about $1 of washing soda...
[02:36:01] <furrywolf> find someone with a sand blaster? :)
[02:36:05] <Jymmm> "no flat"
[02:36:09] <furrywolf> solid tires are heavy and rough-riding, but don't go flat.
[02:36:40] <Jymmm> http://www.harborfreight.com/bigfoot-panel-wagon-69693.html
[02:37:04] <Jymmm> No sides
http://www.harborfreight.com/steel-mesh-deck-wagon-38137.html
[02:37:28] <furrywolf> yeah, they used to sell one identical to the one you pasted. I don't see it anymore.
[02:37:35] <Jymmm> bummer
[02:38:01] <Jymmm> $20 in tires - 20% + can of spray paint
[02:38:13] <furrywolf> does it need tires, or just air, or tubes?
[02:38:26] <Jymmm> rotted
[02:38:31] <Jymmm> cracked
[02:38:51] <furrywolf> badly enough a tube can't fix them? :P
[02:39:32] <Jymmm> where do you find 10" tubes? and cheaper than $5/ea?
[02:40:09] <furrywolf> http://www.harborfreight.com/10-in-inner-tube-with-curved-stem-69532.html
[02:40:42] <furrywolf> but, yeah, for an extra $2/wheel, you'd get shiny tires...
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[02:41:16] <Jymmm> bad reviews on the tubes too
[02:41:44] <Jymmm> Hmmm, I wonder if HF sells tire goo?
[02:42:32] <furrywolf> tire goo doesn't work all that well.
[02:42:39] <furrywolf> yes, they do sell it, but for the same price as other stores.
[02:43:03] <furrywolf> it's very hard to get tire goo to do anything to sidewalls
[02:44:54] <Jymmm> I think I need to hit wally world. They has some cheap paints
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[02:46:24] <furrywolf> the walmart $2 spraycans need about three times the coats to get the same coverage as the $6 cans...
[02:46:36] <furrywolf> it's all solvent, no paint. lol
[02:47:18] <Jymmm> Here we go... oil based enamel paint
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rust-Oleum-Stops-Rust-32-oz-Black-Gloss-Protective-Enamel-Paint-7779504/100160860
[02:47:35] <furrywolf> someone I know bought a bunch of cans... "duude, it's only $2 a can!!!". then we found they were useless...
[02:48:33] <Jymmm> OH NO DISCONTINUED (white)
[02:48:55] <furrywolf> ace rust-stop brand is similar and generally cheaper, if you have an ace hardware nearby.
[02:48:58] <Jymmm> Shit, I use that stuff
[02:49:04] <Jymmm> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rust-Oleum-Professional-Gloss-White-1-Gallon-Oil-Based-Enamel-DISCONTINUED-182770/202041175
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[02:53:33] <Jymmm> Ok, Lowes has it still
[02:55:09] <Jymmm> and amazon in colors, but no greens
[03:00:12] <furrywolf> ace will tint their rust-stop to any color you want. other hardware stores might do this as well.
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[03:11:52] <Valen> I don't like shiny tyres
[03:12:46] <furrywolf> yay, the neighbors down the road are having yet another loud domestic dispute that involves them wandering up and down the road shouting insults at each other at the top of their lungs.
[03:13:18] * furrywolf has no idea why such people stay together
[03:14:34] <Valen> it never even looks like the sex would be great
[03:14:37] <furrywolf> this is a roughly weekly occourance. sometimes it involves cops and ambulances.
[03:14:58] <Valen> If its in australia then housing and finance could well be a defining factor
[03:14:59] <furrywolf> it apparantly sucks, from some of the insults she's yelled at him in the past. :P
[03:15:21] <Valen> gotta go for a walk or something back later
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[03:35:54] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if it's a crime to give people weapons.
[03:36:03] <SpeedEvil> - legal ones
[03:37:52] <furrywolf> in what way?
[03:37:52] <furrywolf> I seem to recall a Radio Shack somewhere giving out free shotguns with purchases...
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[14:00:43] <dirty_d> i tore apart my broken welder
http://i.imgur.com/i66fiUp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/H8J8FJD.jpg
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[14:02:05] <_methods> did that one leg blow off?
[14:02:53] <dirty_d> no, there's no visible damage here
[14:02:54] <_methods> just need to replace that resistor or whatever that thing is
[14:03:00] <dirty_d> besides the diode i snapped off
[14:03:09] <dirty_d> this is just hte output stage
[14:03:17] * JT-Shop gets a pistol to walk down to the mail box
[14:03:18] <dirty_d> but still freaking confusing
[14:03:32] <_methods> well on that second pic
[14:03:40] <dirty_d> two transformers looks like each has two center tapped secondaries
[14:03:43] <dirty_d> right?
[14:03:44] <_methods> what's up with the splatter around that pad
[14:03:55] <_methods> lower left corner
[14:04:04] <dirty_d> i dunno, china
[14:04:15] <dirty_d> flux
[14:04:29] <_methods> did you desolder those pads?
[14:04:40] <dirty_d> nope
[14:04:54] <_methods> interesting
[14:04:56] <dirty_d> they were bolted to the output "cables"
[14:05:01] <_methods> k
[14:05:04] <dirty_d> copper sheet metal
[14:05:22] <_methods> china has secret explosive soldering technique lol
[14:05:25] <dirty_d> the transformers say ETD49 20:4
[14:05:34] <dirty_d> whats 20:4 mean if there are two secndaries though?
[14:05:42] <dirty_d> just two separate with 4 turns each
[14:06:28] <dirty_d> its a tig/stick/plasma
[14:06:42] <dirty_d> so i think those relays switch the secondaries from series to parallel etc
[14:07:01] <dirty_d> plasma needs high voltage, stick lower, tig lower still
[14:08:21] <dirty_d> magnets...
[14:09:03] <ssi> morn
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[14:20:21] <dirty_d> furrywolf knows about magnets and stuff
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[14:24:26] <ssi> how do they work?!
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[14:25:50] <dirty_d> you cant explain that
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[14:55:48] <_methods> magic
[15:01:11] <norias> magic?
[15:01:17] <norias> i like magic
[15:02:24] <ssi> don't we all
[15:02:52] <JT-Shop> yea my new roll of bubble wrap arrived
[15:03:02] <ssi> magic bubble wrap?!
[15:03:38] <JT-Shop> yes it would keep my wife entertained for hours
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[15:04:54] <ssi> :D
[15:05:25] <malcom2073> Is it that evil bubble wrap that doesn't pip?
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[15:05:26] <malcom2073> pop*
[15:13:05] <JT-Shop> lol
[15:13:49] <pcw_home> Product safety lawyers got to Bubble wrap?
[15:14:27] <malcom2073> dude... it's evil.
[15:18:01] <dirty_d> yea...
https://sketch.io/render/sketch5571bd9d08a61.png
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[15:50:29] <_methods> JT-Shop:
http://imgur.com/a/YylQc
[15:50:55] <_methods> some hilarious welding
[15:53:54] <zeeshan> It has been 2 weeks since my first e-mail. I don't understand why I haven't been given a concrete answer on why my Fund 55 has been delayed by almost a month?
[15:53:59] <zeeshan> ^ do i sound harsh?
[15:54:01] <zeeshan> and mean?
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[16:04:13] * zeeshan reworded the email
[16:04:27] <zeeshan> and cc'ed the persons boss too. :p
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[16:13:22] <cradek> _methods: ha! I've never seen welds like that. they're breathtaking.
[16:15:10] <Loetmichel> _methods: thats a WELD?
[16:16:34] <cradek> "There seemed to be too much fire"
[16:16:59] <cradek> "I didn't have the #57 drill bit recommended by the author so I used a 1/16th"
[16:18:56] <zeeshan> lol
[16:19:30] <roycroft> perhaps i'm weird
[16:19:32] <roycroft> well, i know i am
[16:19:43] <roycroft> but in my storage drawers for taps and dies
[16:19:58] <roycroft> i keep the proper size tap drill in the compartment where i keep taps of a particular size
[16:20:25] <zeeshan> i used to do that for common taps
[16:20:32] <roycroft> i never have to look up the tap drill size or go somewhere else to get a drill bit
[16:20:34] <zeeshan> but its just easier to have a dedicated drill set next to em :)
[16:21:16] <roycroft> i just pull out the 6-32 drawer and i have drill bit, starter tap, standard tap, bottom tap, and dies all right there
[16:21:59] <roycroft> i use number bits more often for tap holes than anything else, so i buy the tap drills in packs of 5 or 10
[16:22:33] <roycroft> and my dedicated number bit set is usually complete - i'm not wearing out/breaking common tap drill bits that i have to replace in the complete set
[16:22:55] <cradek> yeah I have a cheap all-the-numbers set, plus very good drills of common sizes like #7
[16:23:31] <cradek> I want those weird whatever-sizes only rarely
[16:24:14] <roycroft> not having to go across the shop to look up a drill size is perhaps the biggest benefit to my system
[16:24:33] <roycroft> my cabinet full of taps etc. is in between my mill and my drill press
[16:24:43] <cradek> heh I can see the starrett chart from wherever I'm standing :-)
[16:24:46] <roycroft> but my big wall-mounted drill size chart is on the other side of the shop
[16:25:00] <roycroft> because wall real estate around the machinery is too precious
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[16:51:52] <_methods> "i'm really bad at welding"
[16:51:54] <_methods> you don't say
[16:53:22] <_methods> those plastic cases that end mills and drills come in make great containers for drill/tap sets
[16:53:58] <_methods> drill/plug/bottom tap fit in them perfect
[16:54:03] <ssi> lol welding
[16:54:06] <ssi> that's amazingc
[16:54:56] <roycroft> i just have one of those plastic cases with 48 or so little drawers that mounts on the wall
[16:55:14] <roycroft> the drawers are wide enough to hold dies as well as taps/drills
[16:55:25] <_methods> oh yeah that would be nice too
[16:55:33] <roycroft> but if i were just doing taps and drills end mill cases would be perfect
[16:55:37] <roycroft> and free
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[16:55:48] <_methods> yeah i need them because i have to carry them around the shop
[16:55:56] <_methods> set up on diff machines and stuff
[16:55:57] <CaptHindsight> it's called "ornamental welding"
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[16:56:13] <roycroft> i pull the drawer out and carry it with me :)
[16:56:22] <_methods> that works too hehe
[16:56:48] <roycroft> machining is like brewing beer in a way
[16:56:58] <roycroft> there are usually many correct ways to do the same thing
[16:57:12] <roycroft> but there are also a lot of people who think their way is the only correct way
[16:57:28] <_methods> heh indeed
[16:57:42] <_methods> techniques are like assholes, everyone has one, and they all stink
[16:57:49] <CaptHindsight> http://i.imgur.com/q0xeVku.jpg yikes
[16:58:27] <archivist> this one is good on welding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojFZ__4t7ck
[16:59:13] <roycroft> my techniques smell like beautiful flowers
[17:00:13] <CaptHindsight> http://photo.sf.co.ua/g/177/8.jpg still one of my favorite welding pics
[17:00:31] <_methods> looks like his weld got a case of anal warts
[17:04:09] <Rab> My friends and I used to use metal coat hangers as welding sticks, looked better than that.
[17:04:38] <zeeshan> is 6mA enough to trigger a SSR?
[17:08:19] <ssi> depends on the ssr
[17:08:21] <ssi> but probably
[17:08:28] <ssi> got a part number on the ssr?
[17:09:23] <zeeshan> no
[17:09:30] <zeeshan> i will buy SSR to meet multifunction daq specs
[17:10:39] <ssi> then there's no way to answer your question :P
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[17:11:38] <zeeshan> haha
[17:11:47] <zeeshan> fak dude ive been going nuts on this pressure control shit
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[17:12:05] <ssi> I know
[17:12:06] <ssi> it's annoying :P
[17:12:16] <zeeshan> well ive narrowed it down .
[17:12:22] <zeeshan> i just need to match a system for it
[17:13:02] <zeeshan> I need 2x 4-20mA analog outs, 1x 4-20mA analog in, 2x 0-5V analog in, ability to control 3 relays
[17:13:12] <zeeshan> ssr or regular good old relays
[17:13:29] <zeeshan> im thinking of using a current shunt for the analog in
[17:13:35] <zeeshan> but for the 4-20mA analog out, a signal conditioner
[17:14:48] <zeeshan> http://www.mccdaq.com/PDFs/specs/USB-1208FS-LS-1408FS-Series-data.pdf
[17:15:14] <zeeshan> im thinking of picking up this: USB-1408FS-Plus
[17:15:24] <zeeshan> http://www.mccdaq.com/signal-conditioning/ISO-5B39-03.aspx
[17:15:25] <zeeshan> along with that
[17:15:28] <zeeshan> should do the job i think.
[17:16:01] <zeeshan> that labjack company is so unorganized with their data
[17:16:07] <zeeshan> i dont trust their equipment
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[17:30:25] * zeeshan wishes he knew someone who has used an electronic pressure regulator before
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[17:31:25] <ssi> I've used electronic pressure regulators before
[17:31:29] <ssi> but they were boost controllers :D
[17:31:33] <zeeshan> haha
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[17:31:39] <zeeshan> hey wtf
[17:31:45] <zeeshan> i should just use a boost controller.
[17:31:47] <ssi> duh
[17:32:26] <zeeshan> i cant decide on which way to attempt this
[17:32:33] <zeeshan> 2 solenoids or just one electronic regulator
[17:32:57] <zeeshan> i'll prolly keep on having to monitor the chamber pressure and update the regulator in a feedback
[17:33:07] <zeeshan> would be more slick than 2 solenoids.
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[18:35:39] <_methods> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/05/police-new-mexico-man-baked-potato-raked-leaves-during-break-in-home-startles/
[18:35:55] <_methods> raking leaves and bakin potatoes
[18:36:02] <_methods> he's hired
[18:37:56] <CaptHindsight> he sounds ill
[18:40:14] <CaptHindsight> and rather than get him medical assistance they will put him into the corporate prison system
[18:43:42] <SpeedEvil> Shoot him in the head several times. It's the only way they'll get better.
[18:44:39] <_methods> penal therapy
[18:45:02] <_methods> it's highly effective at creating mentally ill criminals
[18:47:33] <_methods> you get to share a room wiht a counselor 24/7
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[18:48:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/05/man-arrested-near-school-in-star-wars-stormtrooper-costume/
[18:48:38] <_methods> heh
[18:49:05] <_methods> yesterday it was kickstarter, today it's just random lunatics
[18:49:15] <CaptHindsight> the school principal has not been fired, thats the real crime
[18:50:13] <_methods> i can't believe the gun was a fak
[18:50:15] <_methods> fake
[18:50:20] <furrywolf> eh? what crime did he commit?
[18:50:27] <_methods> he was white
[18:50:29] <_methods> lol
[18:50:54] <_methods> the crime of cosplay near an elementary school
[18:51:04] <CaptHindsight> The man was then arrested and charged with disturbing a school and loitering.
[18:51:07] <_methods> you can never be too careful
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[18:51:41] * furrywolf has never heard of a law called "disturbing a school", and loitering is usually a civil matter...
[18:51:48] <CaptHindsight> disturbing a school must mean anything they feel like
[18:52:07] <CaptHindsight> similar to "inappropriate behavior"
[18:52:24] <furrywolf> one of those laws.
[18:53:55] <CaptHindsight> disorderly conduct
[18:54:13] <CaptHindsight> when nothing else fits
[18:54:41] <CaptHindsight> sounds like pushing in the bathroom line
[18:54:56] <_methods> it's amazing how fast they can find some lame charge to nail some poor joe with
[18:55:16] <_methods> but you crash the economy and fleece america and no one can figure out what to charge you with
[18:55:23] <_methods> or find a person to charge
[18:55:24] <furrywolf> hopefully he doesn't accept a plea bargin, forces them to go to a jury, and gets off free.
[18:55:35] <CaptHindsight> yeah, that's far too complicated
[18:56:03] <CaptHindsight> convenient isn't it
[18:56:09] <_methods> for some
[18:56:48] <_methods> apparently not for the empire though
[18:57:34] <_methods> i guess the only jedi mind trick the principal knows is 911
[18:57:46] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcjGRXTpHGI Toasting Knife
[18:57:55] <_methods> yeah saw that yesterday
[18:58:05] <_methods> it's not on kickstarter yet lol
[18:58:21] <furrywolf> or else the principal is a star trek fan.
[19:02:33] <CaptHindsight> I'm working on the t-shirts that tell you when they are dirty and the beer cups that tell you when they are empty
[19:03:13] <furrywolf> ... is that like a device that tells you water is wet or the pope is catholic?
[19:03:38] <_methods> oh wow 2 more great kickstarter ideas
[19:03:54] <CaptHindsight> it's for people that forget to drink and need/like to be told what to do
[19:04:51] <furrywolf> you might have better luck with a beer cup that radioed the barwrench to let he know to refill it
[19:05:06] <furrywolf> s/her/her
[19:05:07] <furrywolf> grr
[19:05:18] * furrywolf is too busy eating to type
[19:06:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.businessinsider.com/hidrateme-kickstarter-water-bottle-2015-6
[19:07:55] <furrywolf> ... how about drinking when you're thirsty?
[19:08:10] <CaptHindsight> thats for old farts
[19:08:40] * furrywolf must be an old fart
[19:08:48] <CaptHindsight> what do they know? look what they have done to the planet
[19:09:40] <CaptHindsight> do you really want to risk dying because you didn't drink?
[19:09:52] <CaptHindsight> this is for everyones safety
[19:10:17] * furrywolf supports natural selection
[19:11:02] <furrywolf> I also think the "WARNING: CONTAINS FISH" in big bold letters on the package of mahi mahi I got should be removed.
[19:16:54] <zeeshan> whatrs a "flying lead"
[19:16:55] <zeeshan> ?
[19:17:37] <SpeedEvil> A lead that is free to move
[19:17:43] <zeeshan> hm
[19:17:51] <SpeedEvil> Or something you should avoid in battles - depending
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[19:20:07] <furrywolf> now, if there was a device that could decide if I was hungry enough for a third bowl of salad or not...
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[19:35:35] <CaptHindsight> http://appcrawlr.com/android-apps/best-apps-remind-me-to-eat
[19:36:01] <furrywolf> lol
[19:36:22] <CaptHindsight> and 12 apps that
http://appcrawlr.com/app/search?go=go&q=remind+me+to+drink&device=android
[19:36:45] <CaptHindsight> must be a common problem :)
[19:37:37] <furrywolf> except it's not remembering to eat, it's deciding if I'm hungry enough to eat a third bowl. two might leave me a little hungry, three might make me overly full...
[19:38:05] <CaptHindsight> there is no such thing, you just explode
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[19:38:40] <_methods> you do have several internal relief valves that will prevent the explosion thing
[19:38:43] <furrywolf> heh. I'm good at eating large quantities of food (despite being relatively thin), but if I eat too much, then I don't feel too well.
[19:38:47] <_methods> to an extent
[19:39:00] <CaptHindsight> built in fail safe
[19:39:54] <CaptHindsight> when your built in failsafe just isn't failsafe enough
[19:40:14] <zeeshan> Yes!! GOT MY BUDGET approved
[19:40:56] <zeeshan> wow that water bottle idea
[19:40:59] <zeeshan> is actually really SWEET.
[19:41:19] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: what are you going to do with all those degrees?
[19:41:32] <zeeshan> toilet paper
[19:41:45] <CaptHindsight> "am I done yet?"
[19:42:26] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: believe it or not, but my boss at my coop told me
[19:42:37] <zeeshan> w/ masters, they'd pay me 85k
[19:42:46] <zeeshan> without masters id be at 62
[19:42:52] <zeeshan> it's crazy how that works
[19:42:59] <CaptHindsight> will you teach?
[19:42:59] <XXCoder> only 62 a year eh heh
[19:43:14] <zeeshan> yes id like to in the future
[19:43:23] <zeeshan> id like at least 15 years of industry experience before teaching
[19:43:27] <zeeshan> dont wanna be a clueless prof
[19:43:35] <zeeshan> i'd also like to teach at college level
[19:43:40] <zeeshan> where its more hands on
[19:43:43] <CaptHindsight> do they want you to have 2+ years in industry?
[19:43:54] <zeeshan> i dont know
[19:44:05] <zeeshan> i doubt it, a lot of profs get hired right after successful research
[19:44:43] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape-memory_alloy
[19:45:11] <CaptHindsight> memory materials scientist
[19:45:21] <zeeshan> i'd like to get far away from that stuff as possible
[19:45:21] <zeeshan> lol
[19:45:23] <zeeshan> it's not my thing
[19:45:48] <zeeshan> i really like solid mechanics and some fluid
[19:45:51] <CaptHindsight> memory fluids would be interesting
[19:45:55] <zeeshan> (they are pretty related)
[19:46:31] <zeeshan> when i first learned the defnition of a fluid in fluid mechanics
[19:46:35] <CaptHindsight> Course #301: Garage CNC
[19:46:36] <zeeshan> i really didn't "visualize it"
[19:46:47] <zeeshan> "a fluid is something that continuously deforms"
[19:47:00] <zeeshan> under shear stress..
[19:47:09] <zeeshan> took a while to visualize that
[19:47:56] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i'd love to design gravity based structures
[19:47:59] <zeeshan> like this:
[19:48:13] <zeeshan> http://www.paroscientific.com/Newsletters/October2001/images/maureen.jpg
[19:48:17] <CaptHindsight> lol that story on the Bombing of the ISIS HQ is all over the news
[19:48:18] <zeeshan> they are so cool
[19:48:54] <XXCoder> base held by 2 dicks
[19:49:01] <zeeshan> hahaa CaptHindsight
[19:49:02] <zeeshan> NICE
[19:49:03] <XXCoder> er 3
[19:49:05] <zeeshan> what an idiot
[19:49:40] <_methods> isis hq?
[19:50:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/tech/2015/06/04/air-force-isis-social-media-target/28473723/
[19:50:22] <_methods> oh the selfie thing
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[19:53:15] <SpeedEvil> http://www.iondesign.net/clients/webnoodle/pics/SummerIsComing_500px.jpg
[19:54:28] <_methods> you know nothing
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[20:26:04] <JT-Shop> now you have to peel a sticker off your watch battery that says to not feed them to your children...
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[20:29:51] <XXCoder> JT-Shop: mother eas arrested when she let kids play on deadend and she was sitting there
[20:30:10] <XXCoder> some neighbor said they was alone and cpa belived em
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[21:14:06] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:31:29] <JT-Shop> XXCoder, that sounds about right
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[22:09:59] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgt6FPWU2Lc - how to route an exhaust pipe _very_ wrongly
[22:11:53] <CaptHindsight> what else are you to do you when all you have a are 90's to work with?
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[22:37:05] <SpeedEvil> That thing has a hell of a lot of axes
[22:37:19] <SpeedEvil> Impressive - though tragically slow
[22:37:56] <furrywolf> $@#%$@@%!!!!!
[22:37:58] <furrywolf> I just broke off a head bolt.
[22:38:14] <furrywolf> tightening it, WITH A TORQUE WRENCH, to the torque specified in the service manual.
[22:38:36] <furrywolf> it's broken off below the top of the block, of course.
[22:38:41] <SpeedEvil> at the right units?
[22:38:48] <furrywolf> yes
[22:38:58] <SpeedEvil> greased?
[22:39:05] <furrywolf> yes, as per the manual.
[22:39:11] <SpeedEvil> Wierd
[22:39:22] <SpeedEvil> new, or reused?
[22:39:25] <furrywolf> used
[22:39:41] <SpeedEvil> Or does the manual say you can reuse
[22:39:59] <furrywolf> manual doesn't say anything.
[22:40:54] <furrywolf> I think the torque wrench is faulty. I was noticing it felt a little tight just as it snapped.
[22:41:05] <SpeedEvil> :/
[22:41:06] <furrywolf> it was past where I would have stopped if I were arm-torquing it, but I was trusting the torque wrench to be more accurate than my arm...
[22:41:43] <SpeedEvil> First thing to do: Swear profusely.
[22:41:51] <furrywolf> <furrywolf> $@#%$@@%!!!!!
[22:42:09] <furrywolf> next thing to do, drill and easy-out...
[22:43:38] <furrywolf> why is harbor freight's 1/2" drive torque wrench on sale for $9.99, but the 3/8" drive one $21.99?
[22:44:28] <furrywolf> I wish I knew where my Mac torque wrench disappeared to. :(
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[22:55:01] <robin_sz> so ... did I miss something obvious ... where do I set the jog speeds used in the GUI?
[22:55:13] <robin_sz> 15mm/minute is a bit slow
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[23:04:32] <Tom_itx> robinsz, in the ini
[23:04:45] <Tom_itx> [DISPLAY]
[23:05:06] <Tom_itx> MAX_FEED_OVERRIDE MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY
[23:05:08] <Tom_itx> probably
[23:05:27] <Tom_itx> along with any max setting in each [AXIS_X] section
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[23:07:01] <Tom_itx> oh and DEFAULT_LINEAR_VELOCITY in [DISPLAY] possibly
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[23:08:23] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini_config.html#sub:DISPLAY-section
[23:08:34] <robin_sz> right, OK, I think I just set stuff with pncconf so far
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[23:09:10] <robin_sz> I was just pleased to get the servo drives and encoders working and everyting locked up
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[23:14:10] <furrywolf> yay! probably due to excessive experience, I'm now back to where I started today, within a few threads at least.
[23:15:17] <furrywolf> used a steel bushing pressed into the top of the hole to center a screw-sized drill to turn the rough, convex top into a nice dimple for centering the smaller drill, drilled it, then extracted. had to use a random chuck and a couple extensions to get down inside the cowling without pulling the motor.
[23:16:40] <furrywolf> bbl, cleaning up then heading off to locate a new torque wrench.
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[23:37:38] <Tom_itx> torque != impact wrench??
[23:37:56] <XXCoder> its not same
[23:38:08] <XXCoder> troque wrench clicks at specific troque
[23:38:10] <Tom_itx> yes i know
[23:38:21] <Tom_itx> was a funny
[23:38:24] <XXCoder> oh
[23:38:31] <XXCoder> sorry not in best today
[23:38:44] <Tom_itx> well get it together man!
[23:39:01] <_methods> swoosh
[23:39:22] <Tom_itx> figures all 3 chips got hit
[23:39:47] <XXCoder> furrywolf: extracted broken bolt? nice
[23:39:49] <Tom_itx> of the 13 bad io, 4 on one chip 1 on the next and the rest on the last one
[23:40:16] <Tom_itx> i'll confirm that once i get the schematic
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[23:41:30] <Tom_itx> the one io one kinda bites
[23:48:12] <_methods> what'd you smoke?
[23:49:42] <Tom_itx> 7i90
[23:50:17] <Tom_itx> a chinese psu gave up putting 20v where it shouldn't be
[23:50:44] <_methods> oh damn
[23:50:57] <Tom_itx> all it got i think is the buss switch chips
[23:50:58] <_methods> the hidden costs of ownership lol
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[23:51:25] <Tom_itx> i'll fix it probably
[23:51:30] <_methods> ancient chinese proverb
[23:51:30] <Tom_itx> but i'm gettin another anyway
[23:51:55] <_methods> always good to have the backup once you get it fixed
[23:52:13] <Tom_itx> this was all after user error ate the 7i43
[23:52:34] <_methods> man double whammy
[23:52:51] <_methods> some days you're the dog, some days you're the hydrant
[23:52:58] <Tom_itx> that's my luck
[23:53:35] <_methods> yeah if i didn't have bad luck i wouldn't have any luck at all
[23:54:22] <Tom_itx> it's just takin a little longer to get the mill back up
[23:54:32] <Tom_itx> i was hoping to have rigid tapping goin by now
[23:54:55] <Tom_itx> got the spindle fwd/rev working as well as PID on it
[23:55:09] <Tom_itx> now just waiting
[23:55:18] <_methods> are you tryin to rigid tap on that sherline?
[23:55:24] <Tom_itx> yep
[23:55:26] <_methods> wow
[23:55:28] <Tom_itx> nothing big
[23:55:37] <_methods> i don't think mine could do it without modifying the z colum
[23:55:43] <_methods> it's just too flimsy
[23:55:51] <Tom_itx> it's more an exercise than anything
[23:56:03] <Tom_itx> naw it would work i bet
[23:56:10] <_methods> well people have done it for sure
[23:56:18] <_methods> but i think they've all modified the z colum
[23:56:27] <Tom_itx> in what way?
[23:56:39] <_methods> they've added braces to the back
[23:56:47] <Tom_itx> i haven't checked the slop in it
[23:56:54] <_methods> or bolted c channel to the back
[23:56:56] <Tom_itx> i did once when i set up backlash comp
[23:57:02] <Tom_itx> i considered that on mine
[23:57:02] <_methods> i think your z is designed diff isn't it
[23:57:16] <Tom_itx> running a triangle brace to the back support
[23:57:19] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:57:30] <Tom_itx> it's more flimsy than the regular one
[23:57:35] <_methods> cutting steel on the x2 is not fun
[23:57:47] <_methods> you can do it but i can tell it's not helping the machine any
[23:58:33] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Boxes/milling1.jpg
[23:59:00] <Tom_itx> it looks alot different now
[23:59:18] <_methods> yah you're z looks like it could use some assistance also lol
[23:59:43] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/new_pulleys/timing_pulley_index.php
[23:59:47] <Tom_itx> added better pulleys
[23:59:54] <Tom_itx> and spindle encoder
