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[00:01:39] <tiwake> its an MM4257-126E DC servo motor
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[00:02:07] <tiwake> but it does not exist on the EG&G torque systems website
[00:07:17] <tiwake> that 1 might be an l, donno
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[06:51:30] <Deejay> moin!
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[10:39:06] <Zedodia> hi
[10:39:11] <Zedodia> hi all
[10:39:25] <Zedodia> the linuxcnc iso doesnt work
[10:39:38] <Zedodia> i get an error when installing
[10:40:42] <Zedodia> says it cant download the metalink and therefore the iso
[10:43:46] <jthornton> which one is it, the iso won't install or you can't download the iso?
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[10:44:25] <Zedodia> well i downloaded the iso from the website
[10:44:44] <Zedodia> then used rufus to make a usb key
[10:44:45] <jthornton> from linuxcnc.org/download?
[10:44:53] <Zedodia> ive got a gigabyte brix
[10:44:58] <Zedodia> yeah
[10:45:19] <Zedodia> then opened the ubuntu .exe on the flash drive
[10:45:38] <Zedodia> went to instal within windsows
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[10:47:06] <jthornton> none of that sounds correct to me, don't know what rufus is, there is no ubuntu.exe, and you can't install in windoze
[10:48:11] <Zedodia> hmmm... um
[10:48:32] <jthornton> there is instructions on the download page about using a usb
[10:49:40] <Zedodia> wubi.exe
[10:49:55] <Zedodia> sorry
[10:50:21] <jthornton> what is wubi.exe?
[10:50:46] <Zedodia> its on the iso
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[10:51:05] <_methods> wubi is an ubunutu thing
[10:51:21] <_methods> lets people that don't know what they're doing setup dual boot systems
[10:51:46] <Zedodia> thats me
[10:51:47] <Zedodia> lol
[10:51:51] <Jymmmm> sounds like a furby
[10:51:56] <Zedodia> how do i get it to work
[10:52:10] <_methods> are you trying to do this dual boot?
[10:52:17] <_methods> or are you trying to do a full install
[10:52:19] <Zedodia> preferably yes
[10:52:25] <Zedodia> dual boot
[10:52:37] <Zedodia> im having drama booting to the usb key
[10:52:52] <Zedodia> i think the brix is the problem
[10:53:02] <_methods> well i recommend following the install directions where you burn the iso to the usb key
[10:53:03] <Zedodia> if done all the bios changes etc
[10:53:10] <Zedodia> i did
[10:53:10] <_methods> with either dd or that windows image writer
[10:53:20] <_methods> and it had wubi on it?
[10:53:32] <_methods> where did you get this image?
[10:53:32] <Zedodia> i believe so
[10:53:39] <Zedodia> linuxcnc.org
[10:53:51] <_methods> you downloaded the latest iso?
[10:54:01] <Zedodia> i no nothing of linux sorry
[10:54:06] <Zedodia> yeah last week
[10:54:07] <_methods> it's ok
[10:54:31] <Zedodia> i was an it tech 10 years ago
[10:54:48] <Zedodia> but i cant boot the damn brix to a usb key with linux lol
[10:54:59] <Zedodia> took me a while to get win7 going
[10:55:00] <_methods> you followed these instructions
[10:55:03] <_methods> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/52401
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[10:55:43] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Hybrid_Iso
[10:56:26] <Zedodia> yeah man did that
[10:56:26] <_methods> personally i prefer dd but if you're not familiar with linux you'll probably want to use the winderrs option
[10:57:01] <Zedodia> it just doesnt work.. its liek the usb key is not bootable
[10:57:24] <Zedodia> im trying rufus again and then pendrive (ie programs)
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[10:58:21] <Zedodia> when i seen wubi had install within windows option i though 'yes' lol
[10:58:42] <_methods> if you read the note in those instructions it says unetbootin and startup disk creator will not work with the hybrid iso
[10:58:48] <_methods> i'm assuming rufus will not either
[10:59:28] <_methods> that image is setup to be "burnt" to the usb drive not copied over by a "liveusb" creator
[10:59:54] <Zedodia> how od i do that
[10:59:55] <_methods> let me go check my last install usb to see if wubi is on there
[11:00:39] <Zedodia> so win32diskimager will 'burn' it?
[11:00:50] <Zedodia> maybe i have the wrong iso
[11:01:01] <XXCoder> always liked cdburnerxp
[11:01:15] <_methods> yes win32 will burn it
[11:01:18] <XXCoder> makes me think - whats good cd burner solution
[11:01:40] <SpeedEvil> XXCoder: thermite
[11:01:51] <XXCoder> *for linux
[11:02:16] <Zedodia> ok i got cdburnerxp
[11:02:25] <Zedodia> ill try this rufus one atm
[11:02:32] <Zedodia> then ill try yours
[11:03:01] <SpeedEvil> I used mkisofs/cdrecord
[11:03:04] <SpeedEvil> but it's been a while
[11:03:22] <XXCoder> atm my new pc has no dvd drive but was wondering
[11:04:03] <Zedodia> http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=91595.0
[11:04:11] <Zedodia> found this... wonder if it is the brix
[11:04:14] <Zedodia> not the iso
[11:04:20] <Zedodia> and my burning mothod
[11:04:22] <Zedodia> method
[11:04:37] <_methods> pls follow these instructions for win32
[11:04:39] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Hybrid_Iso
[11:04:56] <_methods> with win32 disk imager
[11:05:04] <Zedodia> yeah ive fully tried it that way
[11:05:32] <_methods> hmm well then i'm at a loss
[11:05:40] <Zedodia> yeah it so anoying
[11:05:49] <Zedodia> i cant use mach3 for what i want
[11:06:05] <_methods> well personally i'd load a live linux distro and use dd to write the image instead of using windwos
[11:06:19] <Zedodia> dd?
[11:06:55] <_methods> sorry gotta head to work
[11:07:14] <Zedodia> too easy
[11:07:15] <Zedodia> thanks
[11:07:29] <Zedodia> moment of truth
[11:07:34] <malcom2073> Zedodia: Win32diskimager said it was successful, but you're still unable to boot to the USB stick?
[11:07:51] <jthornton> burning the iso to a USB drive instructions are here
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Hybrid_Iso
[11:07:54] <malcom2073> There's nothing special about the brix as long as you've not enabled secure boot
[11:09:18] <Zedodia> yeah i turned secure boot off
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[11:10:59] <Zedodia> yeah ive got no idea
[11:11:09] <Zedodia> ill try it again
[11:12:06] <Zedodia> the md5 is greyed out
[11:12:12] <Zedodia> md5hash
[11:12:19] <Zedodia> on win32diskimager
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[11:13:23] <malcom2073> I think that's available after reading an image
[11:13:34] <Zedodia> ah ok
[11:13:42] <Zedodia> and it matches the on on the website
[11:13:52] <Zedodia> 67% :)
[11:14:27] <Zedodia> done
[11:15:02] <Zedodia> it doesnt even show in the bios now
[11:15:13] <Zedodia> after using win32diskimager
[11:15:23] <Zedodia> and i copunlt read it in windows
[11:15:26] <Zedodia> couldnt
[11:16:10] <Zedodia> im at a loss
[11:17:16] <malcom2073> Yeah me too
[11:17:30] <Zedodia> so win32diskimager didnt even work for me
[11:17:37] <Zedodia> thats balls
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[11:23:47] <Zedodia> hmm
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[11:25:55] <_methods> alright made it to work you get it worked out?
[11:27:04] <_methods> you won't be able to read the usb in windows it won't understand the file format
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[11:32:08] <Zedodia> yeah well it doesn even read in the bios
[11:32:39] <Zedodia> im trying linus live usb creater
[11:33:30] <_methods> i'm pretty sure if you read the instructions again it explicitly states a live usb creator won't work on the hybrid image
[11:38:57] <Zedodia> oh ok
[11:39:13] <Zedodia> ill try anyways
[11:39:23] <Zedodia> so annoying
[11:39:30] <Zedodia> once upon a time things just worked
[11:40:14] <Zedodia> i really dont want to get a usb optical drive
[11:40:26] <Zedodia> probably wont work anyways being usb lol
[11:40:40] <_methods> well if you have an old computer with a dvd drive you could pull it out and temporarily attach it to your brix
[11:40:48] <_methods> assuming it has extra sata ports
[11:40:56] <Zedodia> i do.... anthough it doesnt
[11:41:09] <Zedodia> ive got a usb hdd
[11:41:22] <Zedodia> mayeb i could plug the optical into that
[11:41:35] <Zedodia> like the caddy
[11:42:05] <Zedodia> alot of effort
[11:42:06] <Zedodia> lol
[11:42:37] <Zedodia> if i got wubi to work would linux cnc install onto that?
[11:42:51] <_methods> i honestly have no idea
[11:43:00] <_methods> i just use dd
[11:43:19] <_methods> i try not to use windows
[11:44:16] <Zedodia> i mean will linuxcnc work with ubuntu 14.04.2?
[11:44:53] <_methods> oh umm i think linuxcnc will be in the repos
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[11:45:16] <_methods> its a tad more complicated doing it that way possibly
[11:45:29] <_methods> you'll need to make sure you're using the RTAI stuff
[11:46:02] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC
[11:46:20] <Zedodia> i get a boot screen now
[11:46:30] <Zedodia> like a command promt
[11:46:34] <_methods> off the usb you just created?
[11:46:38] <Zedodia> yeah
[11:46:48] <Zedodia> shell>
[11:47:06] <_methods> hmm
[11:48:10] <Zedodia> yeah im lost hey
[11:48:27] <Zedodia> that was a fisrt though
[11:49:50] <_methods> so you modified the bios to boot from usb right?
[11:50:10] <Zedodia> yeah
[11:50:14] <_methods> kk
[11:50:17] <Zedodia> and turned off the hdd
[11:50:20] <Zedodia> in bios
[11:50:27] <Zedodia> so it would have to go to usb
[11:50:36] <_methods> yeah good
[11:51:16] <Zedodia> but that time i used linux live usb creater
[11:51:20] <Zedodia> so maybe thats why
[11:51:50] <Zedodia> i read a thing that maybe it depends on the usb stick
[11:51:57] <Zedodia> maybe i need to buy a newy
[11:53:03] <Zedodia> this is so annoying
[11:53:07] <Zedodia> mach3 is useless
[11:56:59] <Jymmmm> the razor?
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[11:58:06] <Zedodia> x61500gt
[11:58:14] <Zedodia> its mad so far :)
[11:58:29] <Zedodia> but my style of programing requires while end
[11:58:34] <Zedodia> conditional looping
[11:58:45] <Zedodia> for geometric patterns
[11:58:52] <Rab> 100% agree, Sensor Excel was the last good one they made...I buy the cartridges on eBay.
[11:59:27] <_methods> that was a good razor
[11:59:57] <Zedodia> anyways, im gonna go yell and scream some more.
[11:59:58] <Zedodia> lol
[12:00:03] <Zedodia> peace
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[12:00:25] <_methods> well the instructions will be there if you ever decide to use them
[12:00:36] <jthornton> lol
[12:00:59] <_methods> hehe
[12:02:52] <Tom_itx> yelling will fix it for sure
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[12:05:33] <_methods> mach3 needs to keep their users to themselves
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[12:10:42] <Tom_itx> they make good linuxcnc testers. they try everything else to make sure it doesn't work first
[12:12:38] <_methods> hahaha
[12:12:55] <_methods> well if you can't make a bootable usb you might want to reconsider your path
[12:13:03] <_methods> the instructions are pretty clear
[12:15:15] <jthornton> Tom_itx, that's a good one
[12:15:29] <_methods> wow this new firefox reader view is nice
[12:15:47] <_methods> gets rid of all the pics and bs
[12:15:52] <jthornton> does it work on wheezy?
[12:16:09] <_methods> no idea just got a firefox update
[12:16:12] <_methods> firefox38
[12:16:22] <Tom_itx> yeah they keep tellin me to update
[12:16:57] <jthornton> I saw it up in the shop on win7
[12:17:14] <jthornton> but don't see it here or on win xt
[12:17:54] <_methods> http://www.servethehome.com/supermicro-a1srm-ln7f-2758-review-awesome/
[12:18:39] <_methods> that will be my new router
[12:18:55] <Rab> I just installed 38.0.1 as prompted and it immediately started nagging me about 38.0.5. Now I go to the site and it says, Congrats! You're using the latest version of Firefox.
[12:19:10] <_methods> haha sounds like firefox
[12:20:23] <Rab> And it seems to have completely messed up NoScript.
[12:22:57] <jthornton> I guess on wheezy your stuck with ice sickle or the viking one
[12:23:50] <Rab> I don't think there's any difference with the Ice-branded stuff.
[12:25:19] <Rab> I have Slackware and Debian dual-booting with the same home partition and Iceweasel/Icedove using the same profile directories as Firefox/Thunderbird, and everything works great.
[12:25:40] <Rab> (Although I thought for sure it was gonna be a recipe for disaster.)
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[12:31:48] <_methods> i don't understand this firefox pocket thing though
[12:32:05] <_methods> is that like "their" bookmark utility or something
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[12:36:14] <_methods> https://activations.cdn.mozilla.net/en-US/pocket.html
[12:36:31] <_methods> it's their new sync'd bookmark app lol
[12:37:17] <_methods> couldn't you already sync firefox bookmarks?
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[12:40:09] <_methods> usb to can adapter
[12:40:12] <_methods> http://protofusion.org/wordpress/2015/05/the-canable-a-small-usb-to-can-adapter/
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[12:49:31] <Zedodia> OMG
[12:49:38] <Zedodia> problem solved
[12:51:44] <Zedodia> anyways thankyou anyone who offered advice
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[12:57:44] <_methods> omg i solved nuclear fusion
[12:57:47] <_methods> later
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[14:25:17] <ssi> hi
[14:26:20] <_methods> wud up
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[14:29:26] <ssi> nothing interesting
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[14:29:44] <_methods> my ups is acting up so lookin for a new one
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[14:32:39] <_methods> think i'm going to get an apc this time
[14:32:53] <_methods> the old one was a cyberpower 1350 that never did work right with NUT
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[15:27:55] <ssi> quiet in here today
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[15:42:39] <JT-Shop> yea my bulkhead fitting and ball valve showed up... getting closer to sand blasting again
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[15:47:09] <ssi> woo
[15:48:29] <JT-Shop> well it's a long story with me hating to sand blast so I tried a bunch of stuff then I had a problem with my powder coat
[15:49:09] <JT-Shop> that led me to a guy that fixed the root of my powder coat problems... crappy sand blaster
[15:50:54] <JT-Shop> made me use acid to clean my parts and being lazy I used a dirty towel to dry them off after the last rinse
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[15:51:20] <archivist> a putting on rag :)
[15:52:24] <ssi> lol
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[15:53:16] <_methods> post cleaning dirtying
[15:54:50] <JT-Shop> yep
[15:55:19] <JT-Shop> I also learned how to strip powder coat as well as other things from that adventure
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[15:55:31] <_methods> that's not a fun thing to learn
[15:55:48] <_methods> life lesson
[15:56:17] <_methods> cheeseburger crackling
[15:56:35] <_methods> grease from french fries and burgers will do a number on your stuff too
[15:56:45] <_methods> don't ask me how i know that
[15:56:49] * JT-Shop gets a pistol to walk down to the mail box
[15:57:11] <cradek> rough neighborhood?
[15:57:36] <_methods> you live in baghdad lol
[15:57:53] <archivist> I thought he was in the middle of nowhere
[15:58:23] <cradek> it's very civilized at my place - the mailbox is on the house right next to the front door
[15:59:00] <archivist> in the UK 90+% are in the front door
[16:00:46] <cradek> yay for the first world
[16:02:06] <roycroft> well our extreme right wing congress wants to elminate the postal service completely
[16:02:11] <JT-Shop> dangerous dog lives across the street
[16:02:20] <roycroft> because they believe in the constitution
[16:02:31] <roycroft> and the postal service is the *only* government service stipulated in the constitution
[16:02:31] <cradek> roycroft: fortunately those morons are distracted by the gays now
[16:02:34] <JT-Shop> I'm not going to get bit, he will get lead if he gets close
[16:03:22] <cradek> roycroft: ... and who all gets to be in the clown car for their primaries :-)
[16:03:32] <roycroft> you know
[16:03:40] <roycroft> bernie sanders has a brilliant idea
[16:03:47] <cradek> only one?
[16:03:49] <roycroft> whether you like him or not, his idea is great
[16:03:55] <roycroft> he wants to mix up the debates
[16:03:59] <roycroft> he wants to start them right now
[16:04:11] <roycroft> and he wants both democrats and republicans to debate each other during the primary season
[16:04:18] <roycroft> instead of waiting until the general election
[16:04:26] <roycroft> that would solve the who gets to debate problem
[16:04:39] <cradek> that would be an interesting change
[16:04:40] <roycroft> everyone who is an official candidate would get to debate, and there would be a bunch of debates
[16:05:14] <cradek> the staged debates are more and more silly (scripted, restricted topics, canned questions)
[16:06:29] <CaptHindsight> staged elections, windows based voting machines, vote counting done over the net, it's election theater
[16:07:06] <zeeshan> 4-20mA analog output, 4-20mA analog input [12bit adc needed], 0-5V analog input [12 bit adc needed], 2x 24vdc output 200mA
[16:07:12] <zeeshan> can anyone recommend a board to achieve all this
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[16:10:00] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: something like this?
http://www.omega.com/googlebase/product.html?pn=HE-XE102&gclid=CMDgwcT088UCFQUPaQodTnAAFw
[16:10:18] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i want something that can interface with either a computer
[16:10:24] <zeeshan> or bbb or rp2
[16:10:37] <ssi> god you're still going on about this
[16:11:09] <CaptHindsight> I wish someone would put all the IO's boards for the BBB and RPi in one place
[16:11:21] <zeeshan> lol
[16:11:22] <zeeshan> me too
[16:11:49] <cradek> zeeshan: very few options for analog input unfortunately
[16:11:49] <archivist> someone did put them in one place....google
[16:11:55] <cradek> zeeshan: I think motenc has it
[16:12:00] <CaptHindsight> the google
[16:13:10] <zeeshan> can i convert that 4-20mA signal to 0-5V without introducing error?
[16:13:46] <zeeshan> say a 300 ohm resistor
[16:13:56] <zeeshan> that's super accurate at 300 ohms
[16:14:11] <archivist> how accurate is the resistor, there is always some error
[16:14:13] <zeeshan> or maybe even 270 ohm
[16:14:23] <zeeshan> i think you can buy one from digikey that is .25%
[16:14:25] <ssi> archivist: +1 :D
[16:14:28] <archivist> calibrate out error terms
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[16:15:32] <CaptHindsight> https://www.cooking-hacks.com/documentation/tutorials/4-20ma-sensor-board-shield-tutorial-for-arduino-raspberry-pi-intel-galileo
[16:15:49] <malcom2073> Buzz buzz BUZZWORDS!
[16:17:02] <zeeshan> 4 inputs hmm
[16:18:40] <CaptHindsight> malcom2073: don't you now that buzzwords are good for you?
[16:18:50] <CaptHindsight> now/know
[16:19:06] <archivist> especially apple derived buzzzzzzwords
[16:21:51] <zeeshan> http://labjack.com/u6
[16:22:03] <zeeshan> im thinking this is becoming the only option that i found yesterday
[16:22:08] <zeeshan> that seems to do it all
[16:22:44] <zeeshan> it says 0-5V analog output
[16:23:00] <zeeshan> hopefully i can convert that to 4-20mA
[16:24:05] <CaptHindsight> http://labjack.com/u6#softwareTab
[16:25:08] * zeeshan likes linux support!
[16:26:31] <CaptHindsight> http://elinux.org/RPi_Expansion_Boards#ADC_DAC_Pi_-_12_bit_2_channel_ADC_and_DAC
[16:27:08] <CaptHindsight> here are all the IO boards for the RPi in one place
http://elinux.org/RPi_Expansion_Boards
[16:28:03] <CaptHindsight> notice they refer to them as IO boards and not as something stupid like shield, cape, serape etc
[16:28:12] <zeeshan> nice
[16:29:01] <CaptHindsight> http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBone_Capes
[16:29:20] <zeeshan> https://www.abelectronics.co.uk/products/17/Raspberry-Pi--Raspberry-Pi-2-Model-B/56/ADC-Pi-Plus---Raspberry-Pi-Analogue-to-Digital-converter
[16:29:32] <zeeshan> i think im gonna go w/ labjack
[16:29:36] <zeeshan> since its all in one package
[16:29:42] <zeeshan> support looks good too
[16:29:46] <zeeshan> 1000x amplification if needed
[16:30:06] <zeeshan> just a bit unsure how you'd control a 200mA 24vdc output with it
[16:30:33] <malcom2073> By definition making it all in one minus one?
[16:33:37] <CaptHindsight> does anyone make a small transponder that mimics a cellphone that is small enough to attach to cats?
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[16:34:05] <_methods> the fbi?
[16:34:05] <JT-Shop> you want to blow up a cat?
[16:34:27] <malcom2073> mimics a cell phone... by being tablet sized?
[16:34:51] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: that sounds very sketchy
[16:34:51] * JT-Shop thinks he will read all about this after a nap
[16:34:52] <zeeshan> lol
[16:34:54] <CaptHindsight> with long batter life and continuously variable SIM and IMEI
[16:34:59] <zeeshan> lol jt
[16:38:01] <_methods> sounds like a good terrorist kickstarter project
[16:38:23] <CaptHindsight> anti-terrorist
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[16:38:47] <malcom2073> anti-anti-terrorist
[16:39:05] <Rab> CaptHindsight, what's continuously variable SIM?
[16:40:08] <CaptHindsight> doesn't interfere with cell communications, just provides fake cell towers with fake info
[16:41:01] <_methods> or loitering secred fbi spy planes operating fake cell towers above your super villain lair
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[16:45:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ap-fbi-using-low-flying-spy-planes-over-us/ the article made me think of it
[16:45:50] <_methods> flood them with fake phone sigs
[16:46:14] <CaptHindsight> I think SAM's are illegal
[16:46:16] <_methods> just like someone is flooding airports right now with fake chem weapon threats......
[16:47:19] <CaptHindsight> is there a story about that?
[16:47:31] <_methods> pretty sure it's all over thenews
[16:47:51] <_methods> there've been like 20+ false reports to airports
[16:48:00] <CaptHindsight> makes sense
[16:48:05] <_methods> i think someone just did one in boston?
[16:48:33] <_methods> probably not a good city to get all silly with right now
[16:49:08] <CaptHindsight> http://abcnews.go.com/ABCNews/exclusive-undercover-dhs-tests-find-widespread-security-failures/story?id=31434881
[16:49:37] <_methods> yeah oops
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[16:49:39] <CaptHindsight> 95% were not detcted
[16:50:00] <_methods> crazy how hiring morons makes a system barely effective
[16:50:07] <_methods> it seems to work so well in congress
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[16:50:24] <CaptHindsight> more theater
[16:50:35] <_methods> mst3k
[16:50:36] <_methods> lol
[16:50:46] <malcom2073> I carried a full exacto knife set through several airport checkpoints before I remembered it was in my bag and removed it
[16:50:47] <CaptHindsight> I feel like I'm living in an old sci-fi novel
[16:51:04] <malcom2073> The illusion is much more important to stripping us of our freedoms, than the actual implementation
[16:51:26] <CaptHindsight> I once had a mini 3-axis cnc in my carry on
[16:52:05] <CaptHindsight> they just wanted the controller in a tray for x-ray
[16:52:24] <_methods> yeah i've brought quite a few home brew electronics on flights i was pretty sure would get me a trip to the side of the scanners
[16:52:37] <_methods> but no one has ever said a word to me
[16:52:38] <Rab> Wonder if anybody's tried something like a mag drill, but with a milling head.
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[16:53:46] <Rab> Could be good for applications with low side load. Portable plasma cutter for making arbitrary holes in steel structures.
[16:54:51] <Rab> Hell, a mag drill could probably shrug off moderate side loading.
[16:55:04] <jdh> You can make arbitrary holes by hand
[16:57:05] <Rab> I demand rigidly defined arbitrariness, though.
[16:58:02] <CaptHindsight> i wonder if they broke the story so that they will now ask for "newer and better" equipment
[17:00:39] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxA6QZjCJ60 my favorite clip on security
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[17:03:11] <tjtr33> zeeshan, check the linux support software for labjack ( i got one but use it outside linuxcnc under 10.04 ) it'll always be non-rt afaik
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[17:04:48] <tjtr33> https://github.com/labjack/LabJackPython and i use a u9
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[17:07:46] <MrSunshine> ough, trying to find a commercialy usable 3d model of a dancing couple ... anyone know any ? it doesnt have to be free =)
[17:11:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Index.cfm?keyword=dancing
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[17:17:40] <tjtr33> no match for zombie couple :( , that'd be fun substitute
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[17:24:25] <JT-Shop> when I build destroyers I would leave the magnet on while eating lunch... clean up people would try and move it to clean the chips...
[17:26:12] <_methods> heheh
[17:26:28] <norias> who here owns a commercial machine shop?
[17:26:30] <_methods> the industrial version of quarter super glued in front of door
[17:26:42] <CaptHindsight> is that like gluing a quarter to the sidewalk?
[17:26:43] <norias> with employees, i should ad.
[17:26:56] <norias> because i have a business idea to run past some folks
[17:27:18] <CaptHindsight> norias: some of us do
[17:27:32] <norias> i'm thinking of temping myself out
[17:27:39] <norias> i.e. i am a machinist
[17:27:46] <norias> and i have an llc with insurance, etc
[17:27:59] <_methods> a contractor
[17:28:06] <norias> so, the difference between what i'm proposing and normal temps is
[17:28:12] <norias> you get the same guy every time
[17:28:24] <norias> you get to know my skills and i know your system
[17:28:35] <norias> so there isn't risk of getting someone crappy from the staffing firm
[17:28:43] <norias> and doing the training every time
[17:29:11] <CaptHindsight> norias: do you come with work/projects as well? :)
[17:29:18] <norias> ha.
[17:29:26] <norias> potentially
[17:29:30] <norias> but, hell at that point
[17:29:36] <norias> i can just rent machine time and be done with it
[17:29:47] <norias> note that i don't want to own a machine shop
[17:30:01] <CaptHindsight> I was talking to use machine dealers, they usually sell used equipment to people with temp projects
[17:30:08] <CaptHindsight> use/used
[17:30:20] <norias> that's interesting
[17:30:24] <norias> i'll keep that in mind
[17:30:30] <CaptHindsight> ans sales are flat
[17:30:35] <norias> ahh, ok
[17:30:39] <norias> wonder why
[17:30:46] <norias> everyone is buying new right now?
[17:31:02] <CaptHindsight> they said that since oil slowed down so did the work
[17:31:10] <CaptHindsight> in the US anyway
[17:31:25] <norias> makes sense
[17:31:31] <norias> also, depends on region, i would think
[17:31:48] <CaptHindsight> the trick is finding the machining jobs/projects
[17:32:12] <CaptHindsight> if you have the job there are people and machines available
[17:32:27] <norias> my thought was, based on my experience
[17:32:41] <norias> if a rush job comes in, you have to pull one of your better people
[17:32:48] <norias> from whatever they were working on
[17:32:56] <norias> or if someone needs to take a vacation, etc
[17:32:57] <CaptHindsight> makes sense but there's just not enough work to go around
[17:33:02] <norias> it's doable, but a pain
[17:33:11] <norias> hmm. once again, maybe regional
[17:33:22] <norias> labor market for machinists is pretty strong here
[17:33:26] <norias> (Pittsburgh, PA)
[17:33:31] <_methods> yeah it should be doable i'd get my card out there and just say hey i'm a machinist contractor
[17:33:42] <norias> makes sense
[17:33:49] <_methods> you save them from hiring temp and having to pay workmans comp and stuff
[17:34:03] <CaptHindsight> gimmicks on kickstarter seem to be doing well, it's like infomercials of the 80's and 90's
[17:34:03] <norias> right. that was my thinking.
[17:34:05] <_methods> definitely would be worth a shot
[17:35:31] <CaptHindsight> come up with a security widget
[17:35:43] <norias> security widget?
[17:35:45] <CaptHindsight> get listed on the .gov sites
[17:35:52] <norias> ah, yeah
[17:36:03] <norias> i've thought about renting machine time
[17:36:15] <norias> and quoting some of the jobs on the DLA site
[17:36:25] <CaptHindsight> are shops busy near you?
[17:36:31] <norias> they seem to be
[17:36:37] <norias> hiring, still
[17:36:49] <CaptHindsight> cnc programmer
[17:36:50] <_methods> i doubt many shops will give up machine time
[17:36:57] <_methods> too risky
[17:37:13] <norias> i know a place that only rents machine time
[17:37:15] <norias> in my area
[17:37:23] <norias> well, they also have a training program
[17:37:24] <_methods> well that's nice
[17:37:32] <norias> yeah, super good deal, actually
[17:37:35] <_methods> yeah sounds like a school not a machine shop
[17:37:38] <CaptHindsight> maybe if he's bonded or has a $40K deposit on the machines he touches
[17:37:40] <norias> $10 / hr for manuals
[17:37:48] <norias> $25 / hr for CNC
[17:37:59] <norias> $30 / hr for EDM (i think)
[17:38:10] <CaptHindsight> what if you crash someones cnc they need the next day
[17:38:13] <norias> bring your own consumables
[17:38:18] <norias> well, that's the thing
[17:38:23] <norias> they don't need it the next day
[17:38:34] <norias> this is pretty much the scenario this place is for
[17:38:52] <norias> http://www.engineering.pitt.edu/mac/
[17:39:00] <CaptHindsight> you never know, one day you're idle the next you need to make 100 of something
[17:39:22] <norias> i'm saying, it's not an operating shop, really
[17:39:32] <norias> it's a place for machine shops to rent machine time if they need it
[17:39:37] <CaptHindsight> liability and risk
[17:39:54] <CaptHindsight> thats what management is going to be concerned about
[17:40:03] <CaptHindsight> how much trouble can you cause
[17:40:07] <norias> i hear what you're saying
[17:40:09] <_methods> yeah it's a school
[17:40:10] <norias> but i've also done it
[17:40:33] <norias> it's the chair of the industrial engineering department's pet project
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[17:41:15] <CaptHindsight> the more comfortable they are with you them more likely they will work with you
[17:41:25] <norias> yeah
[17:41:37] <norias> the guy that runs it knows me by name
[17:41:42] <norias> we've done some stuff together
[17:41:57] <CaptHindsight> so you're a virtual machine shop
[17:42:08] <norias> i ... don't really want to be
[17:42:10] <CaptHindsight> or a machine work broker
[17:42:18] <norias> but i will if i need to in order to make ends meet
[17:42:50] <CaptHindsight> if you quote and get work then a shop might be interested to work with you
[17:43:06] <norias> i'd have to look at how that would work
[17:43:07] <CaptHindsight> and if it's lucrative enough
[17:43:11] <norias> with the govt. projects
[17:43:20] <norias> i was considering bidding on the set asides
[17:43:20] <_methods> yeah looks like a no brainer
[17:43:23] <_methods> free machine shop
[17:43:32] <CaptHindsight> come to shop with a job and materials
[17:43:32] <norias> for disabled veteran owned businesses
[17:44:03] <norias> the real business, in the long run, is more working on supply chain aspects
[17:44:10] <norias> and dfm for new product development
[17:44:20] <norias> but it's slow going on sales for that
[17:44:30] <CaptHindsight> if you can find the projects
[17:44:36] <norias> i do, just not enough
[17:44:47] <norias> it's growing, but slowly
[17:44:51] <CaptHindsight> that what I hear from everyone
[17:45:01] <CaptHindsight> it's been slow for years
[17:45:06] <norias> so, i'm thinking about what stuff i do in the near term
[17:45:09] <norias> to pay bills
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[17:45:27] <norias> past 2-3 years around here have been pretty busy
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[17:45:53] <Tom_itx> where's around here?
[17:46:15] <CaptHindsight> Pittsburgh?
[17:47:42] <norias> yeah Pittsburgh
[17:49:48] <CaptHindsight> try that and other ideas, don't put all your eggs in one basket
[17:51:36] <_methods> hell you have an open machine shop you've got the hard part done for you
[17:51:36] <norias> right on
[17:51:42] <_methods> now all you gotta do is knock on doors
[17:51:46] <norias> hah
[17:51:58] <norias> well, point is, don't really want to be a machine shop
[17:52:09] <norias> will do it, short term, if i have to
[17:52:18] <norias> i'm just trying to fill unpaid hours in my day
[17:52:28] <_methods> well i'd rather be making parts for myself than for someone else
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[17:56:41] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1866162613/the-lil-truckertm?ref=category
[17:58:10] <norias> omg
[17:58:16] <CaptHindsight> hipster bottle opener, multi-tool, tiger repellent, wooden enclosure anything etc etc
[17:58:21] <norias> i signed up for a company account at Hertz
[17:58:25] <norias> the rates are WAY lower
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[18:02:34] <CaptHindsight> Bill Nye figured out how to cash in
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/theplanetarysociety/lightsail-a-revolutionary-solar-sailing-spacecraft?ref=category_featured
[18:02:59] <norias> heh
[18:03:04] <malcom2073> CaptHindsight: They already launched, and already lost contact I thought?
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[18:03:38] <malcom2073> Hmm, must've been another Bill Nye space project, that one isn't until 2016
[18:04:24] <malcom2073> Ah nope it was, and it's back online
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[18:05:34] <_methods> i need to go back and rewatch a bunch of james bond movies for kickstarter ideas
[18:05:43] <_methods> i couldmake millions
[18:05:51] <malcom2073> Do it
[18:06:01] <_methods> the mouth breather
[18:06:05] <_methods> lol
[18:06:11] <_methods> oral scuba tanks
[18:06:15] <malcom2073> Laser the shit out of your nemsis's junk
[18:06:19] <_methods> little scuba buddy
[18:06:42] <CaptHindsight> shoe phone, no wait that's Maxwell Smart
[18:06:46] <_methods> swim about in your hipster buddies shitty craft brew tank
[18:07:00] <CaptHindsight> pants that brew beer
[18:07:02] <_methods> explosive skinny jeans
[18:07:19] <CaptHindsight> a bra that ages wine
[18:07:20] <malcom2073> Some company made retractable tire traction spikes
[18:07:52] <CaptHindsight> wooden anything, send us your design and we make it out of wood!
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[18:08:52] <CaptHindsight> clothing made from landfill waste
[18:11:27] <CaptHindsight> RFID clothing with all your personal data printed on the outside
[18:11:44] <norias> i like that last one
[18:11:58] <norias> it should include passwords for bank accounts and emails
[18:12:37] <CaptHindsight> wearing it allows you to be in the fast lane everywhere, banks, airports, shopping malls
[18:12:58] <norias> yeah, totally
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[18:13:09] <norias> print your passport data on there too
[18:13:18] <norias> so you can get fast tracked at customs
[18:14:59] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-loBxmnbl0 Gattaca finger scanner
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[18:22:22] <_methods> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/582920317/hidrateme-smart-water-bottle
[18:22:33] <_methods> the ultimate kickstarter
[18:22:39] <_methods> it's a water bottle
[18:22:59] <_methods> $80k for a water bottle
[18:23:58] <CaptHindsight> made of wood?
[18:24:00] <ssi> lol
[18:24:09] <_methods> it has an app too
[18:24:20] <_methods> i swear to god some days i'm in that movie idiocracy
[18:24:36] <_methods> i keep waiting for the drilldo to drive by my window
[18:24:48] <ssi> UPGRAYEDD
[18:24:49] <Rab> This dude is for certain gonna die of thirst unless his water bottle glows to remind him.
https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/897/699/d9af722dd429b8444c7a255a8ba36dc9_original.jpg?v=1433138616&w=680&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=39e88f36356bc44934c3db147d1a9fec
[18:24:55] <CaptHindsight> it's a living nightmare for me
[18:24:55] <_methods> as i sip my brawndo from my hidrate
[18:25:34] <_methods> We quit our jobs and left everything behind to work on a product that we believed in. The program is a 3 month-long intensive on-site experience in Kansas City, MO in which 10 mobile-health companies selected from around the world receive funding and mentorship to accelerate their businesses.
[18:25:44] <CaptHindsight> that's why I used to like to travel to out of the way places not yet corrupted
[18:25:51] <Rab> Also this dude, staring pensively at the wall.
https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/897/906/b41638444c77ce37bf60e9cc8a2facc2_original.jpg?v=1433143518&w=680&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=f51b1f8e1e7dfb04dfc08a7bb90e55b7
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[18:26:50] <_methods> should we really be trying to keep people alive that can't tell when it's time do drink something?
[18:27:00] <CaptHindsight> the next step might be, remind to eat, excrete, sleep
[18:27:31] <CaptHindsight> cause of death: forgot to drink
[18:27:37] <_methods> lol
[18:27:52] <_methods> i'm here to ask the important questions lol
[18:28:36] <CaptHindsight> tag everything and have your phone remind you...
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[18:29:02] <CaptHindsight> put on clean underwear today, eat, bathroom break at 11am
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[18:30:25] <CaptHindsight> "Tell what to do!" an app that tells you everything
[18:30:33] <_methods> heheh
[18:30:50] <CaptHindsight> no more having to decide what to do next
[18:30:51] <_methods> hey app what should i do with my ex wife's body
[18:31:10] <CaptHindsight> call it "Seriously"
[18:31:28] <CaptHindsight> "Seriously" what should I do today?
[18:31:37] <_methods> hehe
[18:31:45] <CaptHindsight> should I buy this?
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[18:32:41] <CaptHindsight> "you have extra income available, proceed to shopping mall for more pants"
[18:33:14] <_methods> 'batin
[18:34:32] <_methods> i really gotta stop lookin at this kickstarter stuff
[18:34:50] <CaptHindsight> competition already
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/905031711/trago-the-worlds-first-smart-water-bottle?ref=category_recommended
[18:34:56] <_methods> it's like that 3d printer junk website
[18:34:58] <SpeedEvil> wifi drillbit - integral wifi to let you know the temperature.
[18:35:04] <_methods> buwhahahaha
[18:35:08] <ssi> hah
[18:35:14] <norias> so
[18:35:15] <norias> apparently
[18:35:20] <norias> an aviary has birds
[18:35:23] <norias> but an apiary
[18:35:26] <ssi> BEEZ
[18:35:27] <norias> doesn't have primates
[18:35:27] <_methods> omg water bottle fight
[18:35:33] <norias> bullshit
[18:35:49] <_methods> they only made $16k
[18:35:58] <_methods> the other guys made $80k
[18:36:12] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/38513516/wond-the-string-exciter-sustain-and-control-in-you?ref=category_location no need to pluck and strum ever again
[18:36:58] <_methods> trago is team hydration
[18:37:08] <Rab> Haha, ultrasonic depth measurement.
[18:37:16] <CaptHindsight> going at it alone is preposterous
[18:37:17] <_methods> you can urinate in your friends mouth in emergencies if the team gets out of sync
[18:37:36] <Rab> Your dog will fly into a rage and destroy it.
[18:37:44] <_methods> trago team
[18:38:04] <CaptHindsight> ultrasonic bladder level indicator
[18:38:46] <CaptHindsight> tells you when to go before you know you need to go
[18:39:03] <_methods> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/747044530/miito-the-sustainable-alternative-to-the-electric
[18:39:08] <_methods> wifi hot plate
[18:39:11] <CaptHindsight> "am I really hungry?"
[18:39:15] <_methods> $600k
[18:39:50] <CaptHindsight> heats water anywhere there's power!
[18:41:20] <CaptHindsight> no more having to deal with the dangers of an open flame or grandmas hot plate
[18:42:16] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mancanbeer/mancan-put-a-brewery-in-your-fridge-not-a-growler?ref=category_popular
[18:42:50] <Rab> ManCan huh
[18:43:00] <_methods> lol
[18:43:12] <CaptHindsight> I want to brew beer on me while I work
[18:43:56] <roycroft> get a job at a brewery
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[18:44:05] <CaptHindsight> I don't want to walk to the fridge
[18:44:16] <Rab> CaptHindsight, active beer helmet?
[18:44:39] <_methods> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hearnotes/hearnotes-premium-wirefree-earbuds-the-universal-e
[18:44:42] <_methods> what is this magic
[18:44:51] <_methods> wire free headphonz
[18:45:11] <_methods> i must be in the future
[18:45:17] <Rab> How about something that implants under your skin, leveraging your natural metabolic processes for sugar fermentation? "BeerBelli"
[18:45:19] <CaptHindsight> bluetooth door lock
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1227497591/noki-the-smart-doorlock-for-europe?ref=category
[18:45:37] <_methods> $120k for bluetooth headphonz
[18:46:14] <CaptHindsight> "Change the way you hear the world"
[18:46:55] <_methods> noki lol
[18:47:47] <CaptHindsight> smart garbage can
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brunosmartcan/trash-can-vacuum-bruno-the-worlds-first-smartcan?ref=category
[18:48:17] <CaptHindsight> "Seriously, should I throw this out?" ....
[18:48:20] <_methods> discovery channel
[18:48:23] <_methods> it must be legit
[18:48:33] <CaptHindsight> "yes, you have too many"
[18:49:09] <CaptHindsight> "Seriously, what should I do today?" .... "Buy more pants"
[18:49:14] <Rab> Comes in "Urban Red"
[18:53:24] <CaptHindsight> looks like you need a copy of Blender, Rhino or similar and some nerve
[18:54:42] <CaptHindsight> create photo-realistic models, tell people that they need it, collect funds
[18:56:04] <CaptHindsight> I think kickstarter went to "must have proto first" but they don't examine the proto
[18:56:24] <_methods> here is my prototype water bottle
[18:56:55] <CaptHindsight> so Blender + physical model
[18:57:48] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to post a wooden bucket with extra features as add-ons
[18:58:00] <CaptHindsight> bluetooth, gps etc
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[18:58:43] <CaptHindsight> arduino and android compatible
[18:59:13] <CaptHindsight> reminds you what to put into it and when to take it out
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[19:00:05] <_methods> smart bucket
[19:00:12] <CaptHindsight> sshhh
[19:00:17] <_methods> heheh
[19:01:30] <CaptHindsight> also white t-shirts with "color change" to let you know when it's dirty and when to change it
[19:01:52] <CaptHindsight> "color change technology" the smart-T
[19:02:13] <_methods> the laundry industry might be interested in this tech
[19:02:21] <ssi> "patented sweat'n'sniff technology, lets your nose know when it's time to change your shirt"
[19:03:08] <CaptHindsight> beer mug that tells you when it's empty
[19:03:56] <CaptHindsight> "Seriously, Is my mug empty?" ... "Yes, it's time for a refill"
[19:06:34] <CaptHindsight> back to the lab, remember it's 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration
[19:07:33] <CaptHindsight> and the smart-T tells you when you've perspired too much
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[19:25:14] <fogl> hello, I am running hal with halrun -I halfile.hal. Now i would like to somehow load another script/list_of_hal_commands into the same hal, but whatever i try system suggests to kill the current hal with -U. How can u load command to existing hal.
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[19:31:41] <fogl> ...i found it, haltcl :)
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[19:40:43] <fogl> strange, but i can not use the haltcl script with "unload". It reports "invoked from within" error.
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[19:54:51] <MrSunshine> http://www.123dapp.com/123C-3D-Model/Couple-Dancing/1189116 <-- anyone knwo if its possible to buy those models for commercial use? =)
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[19:58:44] <MrSunshine> need to find something to what we call .. translated something like "dance band week" here .. its 30 years anevercity and i want to create something that might be able to sell for it =)
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[20:02:34] <Crom> one more week and then the show is up and I can have some free time again
[20:03:07] <Crom> shakespeareinthevines.org Julius Caesar
[20:03:58] <Crom> just got a new DMX light board $65 and added a wireless DMX board to it and took out the midi connector
[20:04:28] <Crom> added the other dmx wireless board to a 4 channel dimmer pack for a receiver
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[20:07:54] <akfreak> To set up a machine to be controled by Linux, what kind of control board do you reccomend
[20:09:11] <ssi> that's a pretty broad question
[20:09:15] <ssi> want to tell us a bit about the machine?
[20:20:00] <akfreak> I am building a machine for a friend, its a OX with a tinyG control board. For mine i was thinking of doing Linux. I want to build my own, like a 40x60 with ball screws vs gt3 belts and pulleys. So i was curious what kind of control board i shoukd be looking at for a 4 axis machine
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[20:20:59] <JT-Shop> is this a reprap machine?
[20:21:12] * JT-Shop loves his new sand blaster gun
[20:21:39] <Crom> 40cm or 40"?
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[20:23:45] <CaptHindsight> akfreak: what type and size motors? how many?
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[20:24:55] <akfreak> No its a cnc milling machine
[20:25:23] <CaptHindsight> akfreak: the more you can say about the motors and sensors the better
[20:25:55] <CaptHindsight> what type and size spindle?
[20:26:16] <CaptHindsight> what types of encoders? if servo
[20:26:42] <akfreak> 4 to 5 motors 2 on the y one on the x, z, a maybe nema23 or bigger
[20:27:05] <CaptHindsight> steppers?
[20:27:22] <akfreak> Yes steppes
[20:27:32] <akfreak> Steppers
[20:28:08] <akfreak> The spindle, maybe 1500 to 2000watts
[20:28:55] <akfreak> Didnt want to use relays, looking to use a control board
[20:28:56] <CaptHindsight> Mesa 6i25 and 7i76
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[20:29:12] <Rab> akfreak, if you want to use LinuxCNC, you'll be controlling with a PC rather than a standalone board like TinyG. So you'll need a PC for LinuxCNC, power electronics for driving the steppers, and an interface between the two.
[20:29:46] <akfreak> Ok
[20:29:47] <CaptHindsight> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_85&product_id=301
[20:30:23] <CaptHindsight> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_87&product_id=119
[20:30:45] <akfreak> Thx for the links... reading now..
[20:31:38] <Rab> akfreak, if you have a PC with a parallel port, you can use a cheap breakout board like this to control the stepper drivers:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251728061990
[20:32:33] <Rab> The Mesa products provide better performance and don't require a parallel port, but they're expensive for hobby use.
[20:33:46] <Rab> (Albeit a serious bargain compared to most commercial CNC controls.)
[20:36:01] <Rab> There are cheap chinese drivers, too, but I think you're better off paying for name-brand power electronics.
[20:36:15] <zeeshan> 220$ isnt expensive
[20:36:17] <zeeshan> =P
[20:36:27] <XXCoder> zeeshan: to you
[20:36:35] <zeeshan> y7ou can spend 150 on garbage
[20:36:42] <zeeshan> and it'll still be garbage
[20:36:54] <Rab> zeeshan, that's one component of many. Pay $220 for enough things and your hobby is more expensive than your car.
[20:37:21] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: tsk tsk, do you need to hear the lecture again on overbuilding and how anyone over $99 is too expensive
[20:37:30] <CaptHindsight> anyone/anything
[20:37:39] <XXCoder> anyone oooooooh
[20:37:54] <zeeshan> considering yuoud need to spend say 350-400 on equivalent cnc4pc products
[20:38:00] <zeeshan> to get a 7i77+6i25
[20:38:07] <CaptHindsight> Rule 1, Can it be made from wood?
[20:38:09] <zeeshan> its a pretty good bargain :P
[20:38:58] <CaptHindsight> Rule 2, Can it be made from threaded rod and hot melt?
[20:39:13] <zeeshan> lol
[20:39:29] <XXCoder> cnc rule 34 :P
[20:40:22] <XXCoder> wow there is no cnc rule 34
[20:40:26] <malcom2073> If it exists, there is a cnc machine made out of it
[20:40:34] <Rab> savagely my tool crashed into the rough contours
[20:40:37] <CaptHindsight> If 1 and 2 are both no, Then do it anyway and call anyone that calls it for what it is a "hater".
[20:40:59] <zeeshan> if 220 is too much
[20:41:03] <zeeshan> shouldnt be in a cnc hobby
[20:41:03] <zeeshan> ;p
[20:41:27] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: welding is hot-melt too
[20:42:01] <Rab> zeeshan, I'm guessing that at this point your CNC setup has cost more than your car.
[20:42:08] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: maybe to you, but not to glue gun fanatics
[20:42:14] <zeeshan> rab are you silly
[20:42:30] <malcom2073> My cnc setup costs more than *my* car :P
[20:42:30] <zeeshan> my cnc mill has cost me 2800 bux including the machine.
[20:42:41] <zeeshan> my race car is valued at 38000
[20:42:48] <zeeshan> how is that even close
[20:42:51] <XXCoder> 2800 is twice my car cost
[20:42:57] <Rab> Lol I think you've spent $2800 on tooling from Kajiji.
[20:43:09] <zeeshan> what does tooling have to do with a controller
[20:43:16] <zeeshan> youll be spending that regardless
[20:43:16] <XXCoder> congats on winning cnc cost epeen game
[20:43:27] <zeeshan> no ones having a game here
[20:43:29] <zeeshan> im stating facts
[20:44:18] <zeeshan> my stepper converted cnc lathe cost 1500 bux for stepper, controller, ball screws, vfd
[20:44:22] <zeeshan> and that isn't even using a mesa..
[20:44:24] <zeeshan> (big mistake)
[20:44:39] <zeeshan> i had the retarded logic of buying something cheap
[20:44:49] <zeeshan> it's like building a house on a shitty foundation
[20:44:53] <XXCoder> zeeshan: problem is you usually think your scale of machine is same as everyone else
[20:44:55] <zeeshan> that's exactly what idid wit hthe cnc lathe
[20:44:55] <XXCoder> really it isnt
[20:45:06] <XXCoder> mine is much smaller
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[20:45:18] <XXCoder> so $200 for something would cost 1/5 my machine
[20:45:27] <XXCoder> so it wouldnt be cheapo
[20:46:01] <CaptHindsight> IMHO you should buy whatever makes you happy, even if it's for a few fleeting moments
[20:46:12] <zeeshan> tell me a controller that can do hardware analog, control relays, read encoders, all in one convienient package?
[20:46:17] <zeeshan> and have like 30 gpio
[20:46:28] <XXCoder> different needs
[20:46:29] <zeeshan> and not pansy gpio, real gpio that can ahndle 5-24v easily
[20:46:50] <zeeshan> that you'd use on your "tiny machine"
[20:46:57] <zeeshan> my machine is "tiny" too
[20:47:18] <zeeshan> the main difference between sizes of machines is sizes of motor drives
[20:47:19] <zeeshan> that's it
[20:47:29] <zeeshan> the control is the same.
[20:47:43] <CaptHindsight> can we argue over something else?
[20:48:20] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: lets fight
[20:48:45] <XXCoder> zeeshan: I dont know why you dont accept something different. for example if you advised me to get racing wheels for my van
[20:48:49] <CaptHindsight> or zeehan has chosen the new topic: fight vs argument
[20:49:01] <XXCoder> I would say wtf because my $1000 van dont need $500 per wheel probably wheels
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[20:49:18] <XXCoder> why? my van has different needs from racing car
[20:49:43] <XXCoder> anyway laters all
[20:50:02] <malcom2073> I'd argue that you're driving your van wrong if it has different needs from a racing car.
[20:50:07] <malcom2073> :P
[20:50:23] <zeeshan> XXCoder: run a cheap control system on your machine, i don't care! :P
[20:50:42] <zeeshan> i just advise otherwise
[20:50:46] <zeeshan> difference of opinion
[20:50:47] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did moving the drives to the same two power legs do the trick on your mill or was there other magic involved?
[20:50:49] <zeeshan> i've done both.
[20:50:57] <zeeshan> same leg worked
[20:51:06] <zeeshan> its been working flawlessly
[20:51:10] <zeeshan> thats why you dont hear about it :p
[20:51:18] <CaptHindsight> what's the name of that vendor to avoid?
[20:51:28] <zeeshan> advanced motion products
[20:51:33] <CaptHindsight> advanced ah
[20:51:33] <zeeshan> er
[20:51:43] <zeeshan> advanced motion controls
[20:51:43] <zeeshan> i mean
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[20:51:55] <CaptHindsight> they were at a recent automation show
[20:52:15] <zeeshan> did you ask them why they are retarded
[20:52:19] <zeeshan> and scratch all their chip names off
[20:52:28] <Crom> yeah don't use 6560 drivers
[20:52:36] <CaptHindsight> "ah you're the guys that sand the part numbers off the boards"
[20:52:36] <zeeshan> crom no.
[20:52:37] <zeeshan> you should
[20:52:44] <zeeshan> they are cheap, and your machine is small!
[20:52:45] <Crom> tb6600 much better
[20:53:12] <malcom2073> Crom: is that the omc-stepper $150 one?
[20:53:15] <Crom> I know they are twice the price, but they handle up to 45v
[20:53:24] <Crom> $26 on ebay
[20:53:32] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: I had a short discussion about your problem before they encouraged me to keep moving
[20:53:38] <malcom2073> or rather $40 4 axis heh
[20:53:47] <zeeshan> malcom2073: lol
[20:53:48] <malcom2073> I was eying this up:
http://www.omc-stepperonline.com/4-axis-tb6560-cnc-stepper-motor-driver-controller-board-p-199.html
[20:53:49] <malcom2073> Bad idea eh?
[20:53:50] <zeeshan> er
[20:53:52] <zeeshan> lol
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[20:54:06] <malcom2073> I've got a couple of the 6600's, they seem to work fairly well
[20:54:30] <Crom> not great
[20:55:26] <Crom> I'm saving up my money to replace my yoocnc 6560 3axis board with a tb6600 drivers and a parallel BOB
[20:55:28] <CaptHindsight> https://medium.com/@eyadnour/meet-the-egyptian-technician-who-is-currently-ranked-at-1-for-google-and-he-doesn-t-even-know-6cf1040efeab
[20:56:09] <Rab> That guy needs to monetyze
[20:57:02] <zeeshan> i wish i didnt go with a garbage control for my cnc lathe :(
[20:57:13] <zeeshan> or steppers
[20:57:19] <zeeshan> i still ocassionally get a step loss
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[20:57:36] <malcom2073> zeeshan: Slow your roll :P
[20:57:44] <zeeshan> im dieing to sell it
[20:57:48] <zeeshan> and get a retrofit lathe
[20:59:13] <Crom> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Single-Axis-TB6600-4-5A-Two-Phase-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller-Board/321424073316?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D31356%26meid%3D42f51d21ecf5493c9b95c2211d174216%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D261803509401
[20:59:25] <Crom> oops $14 not $26
[20:59:30] <malcom2073> Crom: That's the ones I got
[20:59:47] <Crom> I have 1 so far, need another 3
[21:00:01] <Crom> I like it since it has the plugs
[21:00:06] <Crom> aswell
[21:00:14] <Rab> Those work OK? I didn't think they were very reliable.
[21:00:17] <malcom2073> That is an added bonus, I think mine have just normal screw terminals
[21:00:47] <Crom> it seems more reliable than the 6560's I have
[21:03:55] * zeeshan is thinking of building a cnc plasma cutter
[21:04:04] <zeeshan> what controller do you recommend
[21:04:06] * furrywolf has thought of that too
[21:04:15] <zeeshan> itll be so much quicker to cut flanges
[21:04:19] <zeeshan> a cut a lot of them lately
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[21:06:43] <furrywolf> my plan is to build it cheap-n-sloppy... just use generic angle iron for all the rails, and aircraft cable on drums to move it around.
[21:06:55] <zeeshan> yea it doesnt need to be super accurate
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[21:07:08] <zeeshan> i just want 0.015~ tolerance
[21:07:10] <zeeshan> thats more than plenty
[21:07:18] <zeeshan> "
[21:07:21] <furrywolf> when you're talking a tool that, on thick plate, might have a 1/4" kerf (or worse), you don't need to position in thousandths. :)
[21:07:52] <zeeshan> id use it to cut sheet too
[21:08:02] <zeeshan> so it'd be nice if it could hold at least 15 tho
[21:08:20] <zeeshan> it'd be nice if you didnt need thc
[21:08:30] <zeeshan> im was thinking of a spring loaded mechnism..
[21:08:48] <furrywolf> no one except renesis things you need thc.
[21:08:50] <furrywolf> thinks
[21:08:55] <zeeshan> lol
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[21:09:33] <Crom> rectangle tube with #10 chain (12+speed bike chain) with 608zz bearings is great for a plasma cutter
[21:09:34] <zeeshan> the thing that'll make it challenging is
[21:09:38] <zeeshan> i want to make all foldable..
[21:09:56] <zeeshan> kinda like a table tennis table
[21:10:24] <furrywolf> meh, if you want to use bike chain, use bmx. :P
[21:11:12] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa9WuGWOUDY
[21:11:13] <zeeshan> hmm
[21:11:21] <zeeshan> interesting. he's got feedback based on voltage
[21:11:29] <zeeshan> to maintain optimum height.
[21:13:00] <furrywolf> works great until you cut over your old cut or too near the edge, and crash the tip.
[21:14:11] <zeeshan> i think i can do without :p
[21:14:36] <zeeshan> it'd be nice for piercing though
[21:15:03] <englishman> hola amigos, is there currently any recommended pc hardware i.e. mini itx atoms
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[21:17:23] <Crom> Amigo, I run a 2 Micro-box.com atom ITX's with linuxcnc w/ a 20x2 lcd display
[21:17:24] <furrywolf> a little bit of analog and you could probably feed it to a mesa board...
[21:18:24] <englishman> no monitor, just a little character lcd? neat
[21:18:57] <Crom> I have a monitor hooked up to it.. I use the LCD for a DRO
[21:19:12] <englishman> micro-box.com looks like they sell cellphone unlockers tho...
[21:19:45] <englishman> mini-box maybe :)
[21:20:32] <englishman> what's a DRO?
[21:20:49] <Crom> sotrry mini-box.com
[21:21:04] <Crom> Digital Read Out X Y Z corrdinates
[21:21:21] <englishman> ah k
[21:21:59] <englishman> il pick up an atom mini itx then
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[21:22:20] <Crom> running a 2.5" sata 680GB drive and a extra 2 parallel ports in the pci slot
[21:22:42] <furrywolf> I guess today's project is to build a stand for my posthole auger... still not quite sure how I'm doing it yet, but it'd make transporting it a whole lot easier.
[21:22:46] <englishman> what's all the space used for? i was thinking a mSATA drive like 64gb
[21:24:17] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: quadcopter
[21:24:33] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: transporting it a lot easier?
[21:24:55] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: do you mean a wheeled base of some form?
[21:25:53] <furrywolf> it has an X-shaped handle, for two people to hold, on opposite sides. it also has a gearbox and drive, sticking out in the middle. if you set it down in a truck, every time you start, stop, turn, etc, it flops to one of the other ways it can sit. just going to make a little wood thing to hold it level.
[21:26:13] <SpeedEvil> ah
[21:28:46] <zeeshan> man
[21:28:54] <zeeshan> i love the gimli glider mayday episode!
[21:28:59] <zeeshan> everyone watch it
[21:29:26] <furrywolf> http://d3is8fue1tbsks.cloudfront.net/906659/1.jpg it sits like that... or three other ways. and really likes switching between them.
[21:30:00] * furrywolf is familiar with the gimli glider, but has not watched tv about it
[21:30:21] <zeeshan> dude its sick.
[21:30:27] <furrywolf> my plan is an X to match the handles, with some U-topped blocks to cradle the handles.
[21:30:29] <zeeshan> most pilots are like car drivers
[21:30:38] <zeeshan> just driving like sheep
[21:30:47] <zeeshan> but ocassionally you get bad asses flying the planes
[21:30:56] <zeeshan> like robert pearson an experienced glider pilot (who did it for fun)
[21:31:06] <Crom> furrywolf, cut down a hand truck and add some front legs
[21:31:41] <zeeshan> or another bad ass like chesley b sullenberger
[21:32:16] <furrywolf> best solution: don't use your jet as a glider. :P
[21:32:31] <furrywolf> that was an entirely preventable incident
[21:32:33] <SpeedEvil> Jets are quite decent gliders
[21:32:42] <SpeedEvil> - compared to GA
[21:33:00] <zeeshan> try gliding a 767
[21:33:01] <zeeshan> lol
[21:33:02] <Crom> furrywolf, just like the one I rented this weekend
[21:33:21] <furrywolf> Crom: the posthold auger, or a metric jet? :P
[21:33:24] <furrywolf> posthole
[21:33:32] <Crom> make pretty good gliders, crap in the thermals thou
[21:33:43] <Crom> posthold auger
[21:33:53] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is-HVxmUELQ - on calibrating 3d printers
[21:34:46] <furrywolf> I got mine from the local scrapyard... haven't actually made any postholes yet, but after minor repairs, it seems to work well.
[21:35:49] <Crom> the rental yards holders are little square talbe frames without tops..
[21:36:16] <zeeshan> furrywolf: what kind of scrap yards do you go to?
[21:36:20] <zeeshan> what should i search for
[21:36:26] <furrywolf> zeeshan: the local one. lol
[21:36:37] <zeeshan> scrapyards here are cars absed
[21:36:39] <zeeshan> *based
[21:36:50] <furrywolf> that's a junkyard, not a scrapyard.
[21:36:57] <zeeshan> hm
[21:36:57] <zeeshan> ;p
[21:37:31] <furrywolf> there's a junkyard here that only does cars... the scrapyard doesn't do cars.
[21:39:00] <furrywolf> ones in big areas are a lot more fun... there's not much getting scrapped here.
[21:40:53] <zeeshan> what do i search for
[21:40:55] <zeeshan> "scrapyard?"
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[21:41:13] <furrywolf> dunno
[21:41:20] <furrywolf> scrap metal
[21:41:26] <zeeshan> most metal ones
[21:41:33] <zeeshan> are like mountains of metal.
[21:41:43] <zeeshan> like mountains oif dishwashers
[21:41:44] <zeeshan> lol
[21:41:50] <zeeshan> and mountains of wheels..
[21:41:56] <zeeshan> im not sure how youd go around finding thingst here
[21:42:01] <malcom2073> Heh, local scrap yards around here don't allow scavenging
[21:42:07] <malcom2073> Input only, no output
[21:42:16] <zeeshan> yea
[21:42:29] <furrywolf> what's the fun of that?
[21:42:35] <malcom2073> That's what I told them
[21:46:06] <furrywolf> http://arcatascrapandsalvage.com/ is the local place here
[21:46:15] <zeeshan> ah
[21:46:17] <zeeshan> "Salvage"
[21:46:19] <zeeshan> is the other keyword
[21:46:33] <furrywolf> not the world's most complicated website. :)
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[21:53:21] <furrywolf> grrrr. the ebay seller I got my generator battery from shipped it fucking smartpost.
[21:53:39] <furrywolf> so, like every other item ever shipped smartpost, the delivery date is long past and it's still three days away.
[21:54:49] <furrywolf> ebay needs to eliminate generic "standard shipping" etc and require the seller to specify the actual shipping method they will use
[21:55:07] <furrywolf> or add an option for "substandard shipping".
[21:56:04] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:56:48] <Crom> furrywolf, heh
[21:58:23] <furrywolf> bbl, small motor shop just called to let me know my generator parts were in, heading to town to pick them up.
[21:58:48] <Crom> lqterz drive safe
[21:58:55] <SpeedEvil> furrywolf: :)
[21:58:58] <furrywolf> got a timing belt, valve rotator, and stem seal.
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[22:14:12] <zeeshan> "they tried the same scenario with other crews , they all crashed"
[22:14:35] <zeeshan> -- gimli glider situation
[22:14:44] <zeeshan> guy was that good
[22:14:56] <SpeedEvil> yeah - well - maybe
[22:14:56] <zeeshan> definition of skill and hero
[22:15:10] <SpeedEvil> Or the simulator lacked cues present in real life
[22:15:10] <zeeshan> i cant believe he pulled glider moves on the 737
[22:15:19] <zeeshan> SpeedEvil: it's easy to play it down
[22:15:21] <zeeshan> guy was just that good
[22:15:25] <zeeshan> his gliding experience came into play
[22:15:28] <SpeedEvil> I'm not saying he wasn't awesome
[22:15:30] <zeeshan> no regular pilot woulda done that move
[22:16:06] <zeeshan> just liky sullenberger's landing in water
[22:16:10] <zeeshan> pure skill
[22:16:23] <zeeshan> i love these types of crashes
[22:16:32] <zeeshan> or crashes where mostly everyone survives
[22:16:47] <zeeshan> like turkish airlines 1951
[22:17:09] <zeeshan> (you gotta question how a plane that crashes that hard -- enough to break into 3 pieces) has 9 fatalities and 126 surivvors)
[22:18:18] <SpeedEvil> Aliens.
[22:18:21] * zeeshan is convinced dc10
[22:18:25] <zeeshan> is the worst airplane known to man
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[22:23:04] <SpeedEvil> I do wonder what the top in passenger-fatalities per journey is
[22:24:01] <SpeedEvil> 'The DC-10's lifetime safety record is comparable to similar second-generation passenger jets as of 2008
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[22:32:33] <furrywolf> the weather outside is getting pretty nasty... it's dark, and there's enough wind to make dustclouds. I don't think I'm working on the generators today.
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[23:02:38] <CaptHindsight> I had that cnc lath on uShip for one week and nobody placed bids
[23:03:02] <CaptHindsight> one carrier only wanted to quote if it was on a skid or crated
[23:06:30] <zeeshan> what lathe
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[23:09:41] <CaptHindsight> http://images.craigslist.org/00606_9A2ecRMkbS8_600x450.jpg
[23:09:59] <zeeshan> how much
[23:10:01] <CaptHindsight> random lathe, just wanted to see about shipping 2K miles
[23:10:14] <CaptHindsight> think it was $4k
[23:11:19] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/mississauga-peel-region/cnc-lathe/1049659141?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[23:11:23] <zeeshan> been eying this lathe
[23:11:24] <CaptHindsight> the big transport co's know that they have gorillas moving things around so don't want to touch a machine unless it's crated
[23:11:33] <zeeshan> 40-4000 rpm, 20hp spindle
[23:11:46] <zeeshan> 3.4" spindle bore
[23:11:58] <CaptHindsight> will you need an additional 100A service?
[23:12:01] <zeeshan> no
[23:12:02] <zeeshan> lol
[23:12:10] <zeeshan> i'd prolly throw a 7.5 hp motor on it
[23:12:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.boltontool.com/Lathe/cnc-machine/16-x-40-cnc-lathe-with-6-positions-toolpost-2-3-8-bore?gclid=CJ-VyZHS9MUCFYMCaQodFjgAIQ lets see what freight is on this
[23:12:58] <zeeshan> http://www.ccmachinetools.com/inventory/takisawa-ta-25-2-axis-cnc-lathe-1997#
[23:13:03] <zeeshan> not much Z travel though
[23:13:03] <zeeshan> :(
[23:13:39] <zeeshan> wait what
[23:13:41] <zeeshan> 38" c-c
[23:13:42] <zeeshan> hmm
[23:14:13] <CaptHindsight> $600.00 CA to IL
[23:14:23] <CaptHindsight> +75 for a liftgate
[23:16:01] <CaptHindsight> same shipping rate for this
http://www.boltontool.com/3-axis-cnc-mill-with-10-position-atc
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[23:22:24] <Valen> so we are thinking for our new mill
[23:22:40] <Valen> epoxy granite, with carbon fibre overlay to add some stiffness
[23:22:55] <Valen> so tell me oh knowers of things, why is it a bad idea ;->
[23:23:19] <CaptHindsight> I'd skip the fiber skin
[23:24:13] <Valen> why?
[23:24:19] <CaptHindsight> Valen: how many liters of granite will you need?
[23:24:36] <CaptHindsight> it's not going to do much as a skin
[23:24:37] <Valen> its going to be a few hundred kg all up
[23:25:06] <Valen> 5mm of uni directional carbon fibre on each side of the gantry
[23:25:19] <CaptHindsight> <10% epoxy to >90% aggregate
[23:25:49] <Valen> it seems as though 12.5% epoxy gives better dampening than less or more
[23:25:56] <CaptHindsight> you can mix in chopped CF strand
[23:26:21] <Valen> I was thinking about doing that too
[23:26:28] <Valen> I haven't heard of it being done
[23:26:40] <Valen> so I figure its stupid for some reason I don't know yet lol
[23:26:51] <CaptHindsight> I make acrylics, epoxies, urethanes and polyesters
[23:27:04] <CaptHindsight> the raw materials are really all over the place for specs
[23:27:15] <Valen> father who is basically making this has ~30 years in composites
[23:27:26] <CaptHindsight> they can be very hard and rigid or have lots of flex
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[23:27:55] <Valen> that's why we are thinking of using EG basically as a core material
[23:27:56] <CaptHindsight> look at what the fiber is going to do
[23:28:06] <Valen> then unidrectional fibre over it for stiffness
[23:28:36] <CaptHindsight> I don't see where the flex will be if you're ~90% aggregate
[23:28:50] <Valen> everything flexes ;->
[23:29:14] <CaptHindsight> there are several papers on this type of composite
[23:29:32] <Valen> I was thinking it should let us have a lighter gantry than we otherwise would
[23:29:44] <Valen> any paticular suggestions? I have been reading them
[23:30:11] <CaptHindsight> make some models in Ansys
[23:30:16] <CaptHindsight> see what they do
[23:30:51] <Valen> I was going to do some simulations in solidworks
[23:31:03] <Valen> but I hear modelling stuff like EG isn't trivial
[23:31:36] <CaptHindsight> if you were designing for manufacturing I could see why you want to optimize to lowest the cost to build
[23:32:17] <CaptHindsight> I don't think SW has parameters for concrete and CF
[23:32:27] <CaptHindsight> maybe the new version does
[23:32:37] <Valen> you can enter new materials
[23:33:03] <Valen> but its a non isotropic material and people say it has issues with that
[23:33:10] <Valen> (FEA in general)
[23:33:24] <Valen> I want to have good acceleration and stiffness without huge huge drives
[23:33:29] <CaptHindsight> I think you're splitting hairs
[23:33:55] <CaptHindsight> and unless you have some weight limit I'd just go with the aggregate and resin
[23:36:07] <Valen> doing that too
[23:36:35] <Valen> The largest concern I have is the CF could impede the dampening of the EG
[23:44:14] <CaptHindsight> also think of how will you bond the two composite together
[23:44:20] <CaptHindsight> more epoxy?
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