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[00:23:39] <alex4nder> anybody messed around with using an RPM-specific set of max. accel values, with LinuxCNC?
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[00:24:46] <Tom_itx> i put a limiter on my pid if that counts
[00:26:13] <alex4nder> hmm ok
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[00:26:53] <Tom_itx> otherwise in extreme conditions it would run away
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[00:27:31] <alex4nder> yah, I have a set of steppers that I'd like to have linuxcnc know about their torque curve
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[00:47:16] <alex4nder> it seems like you'd want to have stepper max-accel vary with speed
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[01:36:19] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/lJjfxCR.jpg
[01:36:27] <zeeshan> these handles a while back ago
[01:37:00] <zeeshan> guy wants to add som grooves (oring grooves) towards the threaded end
[01:37:02] <zeeshan> how to hold? :D
[01:37:25] <zeeshan> really don't wanna spend hours making soft jaws
[01:38:02] * zeeshan just makes a new one
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[01:50:14] <jdh> are those brass?
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[02:03:32] <PetefromTn_> Hey folks!!
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[02:16:37] <PetefromTn_> jeez its dead in here today LOL
[02:18:03] <jdh> Hello Pete
[02:18:11] <jdh> how is .tn.us this fine spring?
[02:18:38] <PetefromTn_> hey JDH well right now it is freakin' thunderin and lighteninnin
[02:18:51] <jdh> we are supposed to get that tomorrow
[02:19:10] <PetefromTn_> I made a command decision about a week ago hehe
[02:19:25] <roycroft> we had that last night, and thunderstorms are exceedingly rare around here
[02:19:41] <PetefromTn_> I decided it is more important that I have a working CNC lathe than my Bronco...;)
[02:19:50] <roycroft> we're more of a constant drizzle kind of place
[02:20:19] <PetefromTn_> so I popped it on craigslist for a highish price
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[02:20:30] <PetefromTn_> thinking I will probably NOT sell it
[02:20:38] <PetefromTn_> well it drove away today!!
[02:20:43] <roycroft> awesome
[02:20:51] <PetefromTn_> so now I am without a vehicle
[02:21:10] <roycroft> so that will keep you home and focused on your cnc lathe
[02:21:19] <roycroft> you won't be able to run away from it
[02:21:40] <PetefromTn_> but the good news is I have enough cash between selling the Bronco and some jobs I did recently to pay for all the brand new parts for the CNC lathe and AlSO buy a cheap 4x4 of some flavor
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[02:21:54] <PetefromTn_> I know right.. I need to FOCUS here :O
[02:22:19] <roycroft> i need to get back to my cnc project
[02:22:25] <roycroft> now that my brew system is done
[02:22:27] <PetefromTn_> I am really excited to finally be able to order all brand new motors and drives and whatnot I need
[02:23:04] <PetefromTn_> We actually had all the money we needed months ago but we went to Florida for Vacation and I bought a bunch of new furniture for the house LOL
[02:23:19] <PetefromTn_> Gotta have priorities right ;)
[02:23:43] <PetefromTn_> trying to find a good deal on a nice cheap little 4x4 suv
[02:23:44] <roycroft> it can be a tough call
[02:23:51] <roycroft> the vacation and furniture are directly for the family
[02:23:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah well it shouldn't be really..
[02:24:01] <roycroft> but the cnc lathe is to generate revenue to help the family
[02:24:07] <PetefromTn_> I need to get my damn shop working properly
[02:24:27] <PetefromTn_> if I had the lathe working months ago I could probably have bought this stuff cash with profits from the machines
[02:24:34] <PetefromTn_> but its all good now
[02:24:49] <PetefromTn_> I gotta drive my wife to work and take her car tomorrow
[02:25:02] <PetefromTn_> my youngest is sick and has a doctors appt.
[02:25:15] <PetefromTn_> Then I can run around and look for another vehicle
[02:25:51] <PetefromTn_> I'm kinda amazed really I lucked out and would you believe I sold the Bronco for $3k more than I paid for it a few months ago!!
[02:26:32] <PetefromTn_> I need to decide on a suitable spindle drive for the new spindle motor I bought awhile back
[02:26:40] <PetefromTn_> its a 7.5hp 3 phase
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[02:28:03] <PetefromTn_> I also need to finish painting this stuff.... still lots of work to do.
[02:28:10] <PetefromTn_> I worked on it some yesterday tho.
[02:32:29] <PetefromTn_> I was reading on the zone that apparently some of the leadshine closed loop steppers were having problems
[02:32:31] <roycroft> i have a '65 vw bus that i was going to convert to an ev
[02:32:42] <PetefromTn_> Ooh I love EV conversions...
[02:32:43] <roycroft> it seems unlikely i'll get around to that at this point
[02:32:51] <roycroft> so i'm thinking of selling it
[02:32:56] <roycroft> it would actually be an awesome ev conversion
[02:33:01] <PetefromTn_> I saw a cool rock crawling Suzuki Samurai EV the other day...
[02:33:03] <roycroft> the things are rated at 1 ton
[02:33:08] <roycroft> and there's lots of room
[02:33:14] <roycroft> so i could put a buttload of batteries in it
[02:33:18] <roycroft> and get a pretty decent range
[02:33:33] <roycroft> but
[02:33:38] <roycroft> invest $10k in the conversion
[02:33:40] <PetefromTn_> I have seriously considered doing an EV conversion on an older sportbike..
[02:33:43] <roycroft> sell the thing as is for $3k
[02:33:53] <roycroft> the latter is looking more appealing
[02:34:09] <PetefromTn_> doesn't have to be 10k
[02:34:14] <PetefromTn_> but it is not cheap
[02:34:24] <roycroft> it will be $3k for paint and body work alone
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[02:34:39] <PetefromTn_> Oh okay I was assuming a good donor vehicle
[02:34:51] <roycroft> well the body is solid and almost rust-free
[02:34:55] <roycroft> but it had been gutted
[02:35:09] <roycroft> and it does need a bit of body work
[02:35:28] <roycroft> it's worth $3k because it's a '65 that isn't rusted out
[02:35:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is gonna be a lot of work
[02:35:39] <PetefromTn_> I'm sure
[02:35:48] <PetefromTn_> especially if it has all the windows!
[02:35:50] <roycroft> i paid $500 for it 12-13 years ago
[02:35:51] <roycroft> it does
[02:36:01] <roycroft> but it's not a 21 window bus
[02:36:04] <PetefromTn_> I mean the many windows in the roof
[02:36:10] <roycroft> yeah, it doesn't have those
[02:36:18] <PetefromTn_> those are in BIG demand
[02:36:19] <roycroft> if it did that would double the value
[02:36:32] <roycroft> any split window bus is in big demand now
[02:36:42] <roycroft> even my '74 bay window bus is collectable now
[02:36:43] <PetefromTn_> surely
[02:36:58] <PetefromTn_> I am thinking about some kinda fun convertible little 4x4
[02:37:17] <PetefromTn_> something like a suzuki samurai/Geo Tracker/Isuzu Amigo or similar
[02:37:35] <PetefromTn_> maybe an older jeep wrangler if I can find one for a good enough deal
[02:37:55] <roycroft> i don't really need a 4x4
[02:38:06] <PetefromTn_> neither do I
[02:38:07] <roycroft> i have an old beater toyota pickup that does fine for hauling stuff
[02:38:09] <PetefromTn_> I just like them
[02:38:17] <roycroft> my daily driver is a '99 tdi new beetle
[02:38:28] <roycroft> it needs a little work but still gets about 42mpg
[02:38:36] <PetefromTn_> I have owned and four wheeled about six different Suzuki samurai's they are lots of fun
[02:38:39] <roycroft> it just passed 200k miles, so the engine is finally broken in :)
[02:38:46] <PetefromTn_> nice
[02:38:52] <PetefromTn_> probably gets stupid good mileage
[02:38:58] <roycroft> see above
[02:39:05] <PetefromTn_> yup
[02:39:06] <roycroft> and i can get 50mpg again once i do the work
[02:39:29] <roycroft> biodiesel is $2.39/gallon these days
[02:39:50] <roycroft> so fuel is costing me about $0.06/mile
[02:40:43] <PetefromTn_> thats nutz
[02:43:15] <PetefromTn_> my daughter is trying to talk me into getting her favorite car.....a Scion XB!
[02:43:53] <roycroft> she's like 22, right?
[02:44:08] <PetefromTn_> nope
[02:44:11] <roycroft> oh
[02:44:12] <PetefromTn_> 8
[02:44:17] <roycroft> well that's the target age for scion
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[02:44:34] <roycroft> she's just mature for her age i suppose
[02:44:37] <PetefromTn_> Whats funny is we were driving around the other day and saw one of the new ones at a car lot
[02:44:44] <roycroft> or maybe she thinks you are 22
[02:44:47] <PetefromTn_> so we took it for a test drive
[02:44:56] <PetefromTn_> it was actually pretty cool I thought
[02:45:11] <PetefromTn_> peppy little thing and supposedly they get like 33 MPG
[02:45:35] <PetefromTn_> which absolutely beats the shit out of my Bronco's 14 hehe
[02:45:37] <roycroft> i should imagine it's fairly roomy inside
[02:45:44] <PetefromTn_> ya know it really is
[02:45:46] <roycroft> i'm not a fan of boxy cars in general
[02:45:51] <PetefromTn_> especially in the back seat area
[02:45:56] <roycroft> but i can see how you can squeeze a lot of stuff in one
[02:46:05] <PetefromTn_> they customize the bejeesus out of them online
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[02:46:12] <PetefromTn_> lots of headroom
[02:46:18] <PetefromTn_> neat layout inside
[02:46:37] <PetefromTn_> I actually was kinda surprised at how neat it was it was fun to drive too
[02:46:57] <roycroft> it would not leave you with any cnc money though
[02:47:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah it would..they go for pretty cheap used..
[02:47:18] <roycroft> they do?
[02:47:19] <PetefromTn_> I have seen some for around $4k
[02:47:21] <roycroft> oh that's cool
[02:47:45] <roycroft> and you could always get a loan for one and use revenue generated from the cnc lathe to make the payments
[02:48:40] <PetefromTn_> https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/5032144992.html
[02:49:27] <roycroft> not bad
[02:49:27] <PetefromTn_> we drove one of the newer ones
[02:49:31] <roycroft> and it has a little scoop in the back
[02:49:35] <roycroft> so you can really *vroom*
[02:49:36] <PetefromTn_> but the older ones are actually the kind my daughter likes better
[02:49:43] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah
[02:50:03] <renesis> the new xB are big and ugly
[02:50:12] <roycroft> it even has a stick shift
[02:50:17] <renesis> look like a diaper a baby already took a turd in
[02:50:31] <renesis> the original box scion i drove with two friends across the country
[02:50:35] * roycroft always drives a stick
[02:50:49] <renesis> manual transmission, los angeles to nyc in 40 hours
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[02:51:03] <renesis> great car
[02:51:09] <PetefromTn_> I actually like them pretty good. I think the new one looks better
[02:51:25] <PetefromTn_> what kinda mileage did it get?
[02:51:40] <renesis> i think mid 20s
[02:51:54] <renesis> like 90mph most the way
[02:52:03] <renesis> loaded with too much shit
[02:52:10] <PetefromTn_> Oh okay
[02:52:15] <renesis> for example, the guy who owned the car got a yakima pod for the roof
[02:52:17] <bobo> Hi Pete I thoughtyou were painting something before the Florida trip, and painting something just before the new furniture for the house and again painting just before the old bronco went down the road
[02:52:18] <PetefromTn_> they are supposed to get like 30 plus apparently
[02:52:26] <renesis> when we got there we found out he packed like 30 pairs of shoes
[02:52:44] <PetefromTn_> bobo there is a lot to be painted man!
[02:52:52] <renesis> all nike dunks
[02:53:19] <PetefromTn_> I would definitely want a 5 speed
[02:53:21] <renesis> and the subwoofer amp kept overheating because we had so many bags on top of it
[02:53:31] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[02:53:58] <renesis> car should have spun out and exploded like 20 times how we had it loaded, great car
[02:54:09] <PetefromTn_> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachments/isuzu/925954d1371339484-facelift-my-amigo-001.jpg This is more my speed ;)
[02:54:35] <renesis> and the only complaint about my gen1 scion tC is that the gas pedal is oversensitive, and then mad filtered to compensate
[02:55:04] <PetefromTn_> I swear that little XB hauled ass pretty good.
[02:55:22] <renesis> so good amount of latency, and the vvti isnt predictable like vtec, so driving it stick is harder than it should be
[02:55:29] <renesis> yeah theyre not geared long
[02:55:30] <PetefromTn_> it seemed like you push down on the pedal and it kept accellerating even when I was not really anywhere near floored.
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[02:56:03] <renesis> yeah its like a scion product manager told the engineers MAKE IT FEEL STRONG LIKE MY LEXUS
[02:56:35] <PetefromTn_> http://image.trucktrend.com/f/features/news/2012/163_news120710_isuzu_amigo_and_rodeo_sport_rusting_suspension_recall/38233328/1999-isuzu-amigo-rear-three-quarter.jpg
[02:56:41] <renesis> theres a couple mm of dead zone in the pedal travel, and then i use maybe 3 mm after that for normal driving
[02:57:01] <renesis> i think everything after 5mm, youre just telling the vvti controller how emotional you are
[02:57:05] <PetefromTn_> I mean it's a toyota after all so it's gotta be pretty decent car I think
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[02:57:30] <renesis> yeah, no issues
[02:58:07] <PetefromTn_> I am liking that little amigo tho and they are reasonably priced used I see. Have not found a good clean 4x4 5 speed locally tho for a good price yet.
[02:58:20] <renesis> clutch went at 110, i got the car at 75k and either the synchros just such or the previous owner abused it
[02:58:41] <PetefromTn_> thats the little sportcar one right?
[02:58:44] <renesis> and thats it
[02:58:51] <renesis> yeah its like an economy GT
[02:59:13] <PetefromTn_> those are neat looking little cars
[02:59:17] <renesis> split folding reclining rear seats, they fold completely flat so you can fit a lot of shit in it
[02:59:33] <renesis> and glass roof
[02:59:47] <renesis> yeah the first ones were like between a bmw and volvo in styling
[02:59:51] <renesis> touch of audi tt
[03:00:28] <renesis> but then they realized mostly girls were buying them, did research that said girls will still buy cars styled for guys, so they been making it more agressive since
[03:01:02] <renesis> the latest, that looks like an frs/brz is cool, but i will never forgive tham for what they did the the pillars and quarter panel glass
[03:01:40] <PetefromTn_> that FRS is cool looking
[03:01:54] <PetefromTn_> there is a guy here that has one all lowered and tuned with turbo
[03:02:01] <PetefromTn_> supposed to be pretty damn quick
[03:02:06] <renesis> blacked out a pillar looks like ass with the glass roof and the painted gutter area, and the angular C pillar kills the flow into the roof
[03:02:06] <PetefromTn_> its gunmetal gray
[03:02:15] <renesis> nice
[03:02:36] <renesis> i like them a lot, i think theyre going to be the next miata
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[03:03:06] <renesis> super affordable used in a few years, theyre selling a lot
[03:03:38] <PetefromTn_> http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=37221.0;attach=91311;image
[03:03:59] <renesis> but yeah 160hp geared to 135mph redline in top gear, the tC i have is way more fun than the xB
[03:04:30] <renesis> haha that thing looks awesome on those wheels
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[03:05:07] <renesis> i think the xB was like 120hp
[03:05:24] <PetefromTn_> I am actually kinda glad the Bronco is sold it was just too nice to take out into the woods.
[03:05:40] <PetefromTn_> is that all it sure felt like more than that.
[03:06:04] <renesis> i dunno if i want an older tacoma or a 1st gen miata
[03:06:47] <PetefromTn_> can't really go wrong with a tacoma
[03:07:09] <renesis> yeah i want a 90s one, before they got all fat
[03:07:26] <PetefromTn_> http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/570223/fullsize/img_1710.jpg Maybe I will just get another samurai...I love those
[03:07:41] <renesis> but when im in school i dont really need a car, i could totally get an irresponsible car
[03:08:04] <renesis> just needs to be able to fit like half a dozen bags of groceries
[03:08:18] <PetefromTn_> my wife thinks I am crazy because I always get the most unusual vehicles LOL
[03:08:40] <renesis> i just try and get something that was loved
[03:08:40] <PetefromTn_> then I cut them up into something really different LOL
[03:08:54] <renesis> cars that lots of people were into that sold well
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[03:09:07] <renesis> tends to be better support, more info, parts are available
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[03:09:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but I seldom like the cars everyone is into...
[03:10:22] <PetefromTn_> When I built my first Suzuki samuria they were JUST starting to become popular for offroading. Everyone thought I was crazy back then
[03:10:29] <PetefromTn_> now they are everywhere
[03:10:31] <renesis> dunno, import little jeep things seem pretty popular for off road types
[03:10:41] <renesis> lot more of that where i live now than im used to seeing
[03:10:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah now they are
[03:11:34] <PetefromTn_> it really sucks we don't get the Long wheelbase Suzuki samurais here in the states. They are hugely popular around the world.
[03:11:40] <PetefromTn_> especially in offroad circles
[03:14:51] <PetefromTn_> Gotta pop some of this money in the bank tomorrow and start ordering some components for the lathe
[03:19:50] <bobo> pete what happened with the vibration/balance project ?
[03:19:59] <renesis> wait there are long samurais?
[03:20:04] <barjunk> I'm going through the part of the manual that says "1.2 figure out what your drives expect"
[03:20:21] <barjunk> But I'm having trouble converting the data sheet to match the examples.
[03:20:23] <PetefromTn_> what vibration/balance project?
[03:21:02] <PetefromTn_> yes there are actually several different flavors of Long Wheelbase Samurais overseas
[03:21:15] <barjunk> this is the data sheet:
https://www.pololu.com/file/download/A4988.pdf?file_id=0J450
[03:21:48] <bobo> thought you had a costomer that wanted parts balanced ?
[03:21:57] <PetefromTn_> OH yeah
[03:22:07] <PetefromTn_> well actually they have a guy in Florida doing it
[03:22:13] <PetefromTn_> but he charges a lot
[03:22:32] <PetefromTn_> so I was considering trying to do it but been busy with other projects for them lately
[03:22:49] <PetefromTn_> right now I am digitizing the hard way some engine parts for another job they want to be able to do
[03:23:32] <PetefromTn_> just delivered some parts I machined to them this morning
[03:24:12] <bobo> so-- 2 bank accounts ,#1 cnc lathe #2 balancing mach
[03:25:04] <PetefromTn_> I would be ecstatic with just the CNC lathe part working
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[03:29:00] <bobo> ecstatic ++ =CNC lathe & balancing mach &Mr Conner working on tool changer
[03:29:21] <PetefromTn_> now you're talkin'
[03:30:18] <PetefromTn_> Right now I gotta find me a decent cheap 4x4 locally
[03:34:19] <barjunk> any thoughts?
[03:38:40] <bobo> Pete might look North to Penn.for a 4x4 I would expect you could find something at Carlisle shows
[03:39:13] <PetefromTn_> I know but my wife hates long drives to pickup trucks LOL
[03:39:32] <PetefromTn_> We drove four hours one way to get the Bronco but it was a smokin' deal.
[03:41:06] <bobo> open a paint can and swing by Bird in Hand with her
[03:42:12] <bobo> Bird in Hand Penn.
[03:42:58] <PetefromTn_> sorry man but I don't understand what the hell you are talking about LOL
[03:45:28] <bobo> Bird in Hand Penn is one big tourst attraction ,she might like . open a paint can is what preceeds you spending money
[03:45:51] <PetefromTn_> oh okay
[03:52:03] <bobo> Pete those parts that need to be balanced --- with out giving away your customer , so to say, what is the weight --Dia. and length of the part ?
[03:53:55] <PetefromTn_> well apparently it turns out that they are balancing an assembly so my idea will not really work.
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[04:11:22] <bobo> Pete glad to hear you are inching ahead on the CNC lathe . hope you keep writeing about it on this channel
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[04:12:07] <PetefromTn_> Well have not got really shit done on it until now because of cash flow but now that I have the cash I should be moving along soon !
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[08:55:20] <anarchos2> Hola
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[08:57:22] <anarchos2> Any opinions on if standard trivkins would work on a two axis wire bender? Where X would be a motor to drive the wire forward and Y would be two guide wheels that actually move back and forth to bend the wire?
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[08:58:41] <anarchos2> I need bending in both directions, if that makes sense. Where y0 would be a straight section, y-1 would be a bend to the left, y1 to the right..
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[09:21:48] <anarchos2> I guess thats has more to do with my gcode generator..
[09:22:42] <anarchos2> I was just thinking maybe kinematics could deal with the senario where aftet a 180 degree bend the x axis would be travelling "backwards"
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[09:37:00] <XXCoder> anarchos yeah
[09:37:02] <XXCoder> seems possible
[09:37:11] <XXCoder> just that you would have to figure how to make gcode
[09:37:52] <anarchos> si...i wonder if some sort of kinematics module would be easier
[09:38:12] <anarchos> it seems like the transformation would be pretty trivial for someone smarter than me, looking at the kins how-to :P
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[09:39:32] <XXCoder> dunno :)
[09:40:15] <anarchos> like image you had 2d gcode that drew a square. x would move up, then y would move across, x would move down, y would move across the other way...if you had kins that translated all x+ and x- movements into x+ but reversed the "polarity" of the y axis when x- was incountered...
[09:40:20] <anarchos> image=imagine
[09:41:39] <XXCoder> how would you handle wire extrude?
[09:41:41] <XXCoder> spidle?
[09:41:55] <XXCoder> or one of A,B, C axle?
[09:43:00] <anarchos> it would actually be for edges for a ski/snowboard, but i was thinking a driven wheel that would be the x axis, driving the edge forward, then y axis as a set of wheels that can move perpendicular to the x axis, creating the bend
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[12:17:37] <Tom_itx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re72di5phM0
[12:18:38] <archivist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIIuR-HjFho
[12:20:14] <archivist> having trouble searching fleabay for a ramping temperature controller
[12:20:56] <jthornton> for a kiln?
[12:21:41] <archivist> yes to blew clock hands
[12:21:45] <archivist> blue
[12:22:57] <jthornton> I bought one a while back from fleabay on this side of the pond
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[12:23:42] <archivist> seems to be lots of junk usually with a silly top limit
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[12:24:53] <archivist> I did get one claiming to be a rex brand, but got no sense from it
[12:26:22] <jthornton> I got this one but have not converted my kiln yet
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321767642052
[12:27:13] <archivist> how similar
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PID-Digital-Temperature-Control-Controller-REX-C100-K-Sensor-MAX-40A-SSR-/181676876837
[12:27:24] <archivist> I wonder which is the real one :)
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[12:28:21] <jthornton> I'll go look at mine in a bit
[12:28:22] <archivist> I think most of the cheap ones are a poor copy of the real one
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[12:31:51] <Tom_itx> got my jtag yesterday and put it on the shelf since mesaflash got fixed during my fiasco
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[12:46:14] <_methods> always good to have a jtag or 2 layin around
[12:46:48] <_methods> ah thank god intel moved thunderbolt into usbc
[12:50:05] <Tom_itx> i had an old parport one but i don't think it would have worked on spartain6
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[13:33:11] <JT-Shop> mine is a REX-C100FK02-M*AN made by RKC Instrument Inc.
[13:33:51] <archivist> as is mine (well claims to be)
[13:34:24] <JT-Shop> the box says made in Japan
[13:34:41] <archivist> diferent thermocouple came with mine and no ssr
[13:35:14] <archivist> box looks identical
[13:36:00] <archivist> I also have an old Honeywell and am about to try it to see if it works
[13:36:24] <archivist> damned manual is huge though
[13:37:05] <archivist> PDF chucked this box well into swap
[13:39:17] <JT-Shop> I remember some old heater controllers on plastic extruders we had and they were complicated to set up
[13:39:55] <JT-Shop> I ran a collated nail plant a couple of decades ago :)
[13:40:49] <archivist> I seem to remember the chinglish in the RKC thing was a bit obtuse
[13:41:11] <JT-Shop> would that be japlish
[13:41:38] <archivist> if mine is a real jap one :)
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[14:04:36] <ssi> morn
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[14:08:51] <_methods> hola
[14:09:01] <ssi> what's shakin
[14:09:16] <_methods> nada need to do some drawings but i'm scanning auctions instead lol
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[14:13:28] <ssi> lol
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[14:13:40] <ssi> soon I'm gonna order that cncrouterparts motion frame
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[14:13:48] <ssi> and start working on setting it up with a LAZRBEEM
[14:13:51] <_methods> well let me know how you like it
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[14:14:10] <ssi> I certainly will
[14:14:13] <_methods> i like everything but the steel rectangle stuff it rides on
[14:14:21] <_methods> not sure how much i like that setup
[14:14:22] <ssi> I'm getting the pro one, which uses the angled ones
[14:14:25] <ssi> not the flat bar
[14:14:27] <_methods> yeah
[14:14:37] <ssi> I've seen it in person, and it's BEEFY and pretty smooth
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[14:14:54] <_methods> cool
[14:15:03] <_methods> it is simple and i do like that
[14:15:13] <ssi> I'm a little concerned about the rack&pinion for laser use
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[14:15:15] <ssi> but it'll probably be fine
[14:15:15] <_methods> is it just plain cold rolled they use?
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[14:15:21] <ssi> it's hardened cold rolled
[14:15:29] <_methods> k
[14:15:36] <_methods> well that might be alright then i guess
[14:15:47] <_methods> rack and pinion should be fine
[14:16:28] <_methods> if you had a higher powered laser it might be a problem speed wise
[14:16:36] <ssi> oh I can make it fast
[14:16:38] <ssi> I'm gonna do servo
[14:17:02] <ssi> my nema23 stepper plasma table is rack&pinion and it does 3000ipm easily
[14:17:04] <_methods> i'm just saying compared to a servo/linear way setup like a traditional laser
[14:17:14] <_methods> well industrial laser
[14:17:18] <ssi> yeah
[14:17:46] <ssi> so the old machine used one of those chinese heads
[14:17:52] <_methods> heh 3000ipm will put a gantry on the floor real quick lol
[14:17:59] <ssi> that has an itegral bounce mirror at the top, and a tube with about 2" of travel
[14:18:28] <ssi> for this one, I think I'm going to do a fixed bounce mirror at the top of the Z axis and mount a lens board on the Z travel
[14:18:33] <ssi> and use the Z travel for focus height
[14:18:37] <ssi> so I can use several different lenses
[14:18:43] <ssi> rather than having a drop bed
[14:18:47] <_methods> instead of moving the bed
[14:18:48] <_methods> yeah
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[14:19:00] <ssi> it means the beam path will be pretty high
[14:19:05] <ssi> and I'll have to have high ass mirror mounts
[14:19:07] <_methods> i think it's better to move the head personally
[14:19:13] <ssi> and I may introduce a fourth mirror so I can put the tube underneath the table
[14:19:15] <_methods> that way it's easier to level the bed
[14:19:26] <ssi> yeah
[14:24:55] * furrywolf suggests ssi build an all-metal shop first
[14:26:54] <ssi> I already have an all-metal shop :P
[14:28:04] <furrywolf> good :P
[14:28:18] * furrywolf has heard laser tables in your house is a bad idea
[14:28:46] <ssi> that depends on your goals I suppose :P
[14:29:32] <furrywolf> you're right, if my goal was insurance fraud... :P
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[14:30:11] <ssi> if your goal was insurance fraud, there are quicker and cheaper ways than scratchbuilding a laser table :P
[14:30:50] <furrywolf> but not as convincing. :P
[14:31:25] <ssi> lol people burn houses down all the time with candles and cigarrettes and turkey fryers
[14:31:37] <ssi> laser took some convincing
[14:31:47] <furrywolf> heh
[14:31:59] <ssi> I had to explain a hell of a lot about the machine and why it caught fire to several people
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[14:33:09] <_methods> yeah probably a lot easier to write off and ash tray fire
[14:33:38] <ssi> MUCH easier
[14:33:47] <furrywolf> I need a shop... but that needs my own property and space...
[14:33:56] <ssi> yeah you and me both
[14:34:29] <ssi> my grandmother passed three weeks ago; my mom has been living with her for 10 years taking care of her
[14:34:33] <ssi> in central florida
[14:34:47] <ssi> now that she's gone, my mom has some inheritance money, and she wants to sell the house in fl and move up here
[14:34:52] <ssi> we're looking at airpark property
[14:35:19] <ssi> the place we want to look at this month is 7.5 acres, 3000sqft house with full basement, 2 car garage with a pit in it, in ground pool
[14:35:23] <ssi> 40x60 hangar
[14:35:32] <ssi> if we can get that spot, I'm gonna try to build an additional hangar
[14:35:35] <ssi> 80x100 if possible
[14:35:40] <ssi> and then I think I'll have enough shop space :D
[14:35:57] <_methods> wow
[14:36:13] <_methods> 7.5 and 3000sqft house
[14:36:35] <_methods> how far from atl?
[14:36:38] <ssi> far :(
[14:36:40] <ssi> Williamson, GA
[14:36:45] <_methods> well that's good lol
[14:36:56] <ssi> it'd be good if I didn't have to commute to midtown every day
[14:37:12] <_methods> yeah screw atl traffic
[14:37:26] * furrywolf doesn't expect to ever be able to afford something like that
[14:37:29] <_methods> we had to go to dalton the other day to pick up some auction stuff and got stuck in stoopid traffic
[14:37:47] <ssi> did you come down to 285 and up?
[14:37:54] <_methods> oh damn that's half way to columbus
[14:37:58] <ssi> cause it's probably wiser to take GA20 across or something like that
[14:38:13] <ssi> it's down 75 toward macon, not down 85 toward columbus
[14:38:15] <ssi> but yeah it's far
[14:38:16] <_methods> we took 20 to 285
[14:38:25] <ssi> oh you're in south south carolina?
[14:38:29] <ssi> aikenish?
[14:38:36] <_methods> nah charleston
[14:38:57] <_methods> shot across to augusta then to atl
[14:39:01] <ssi> yea even worse hehe
[14:39:03] <_methods> then up to dalton
[14:39:56] <ssi> well the airport I'm at now, where I'm living and where my shop is, is in Hampton
[14:39:57] <_methods> was a long day
[14:39:59] <ssi> 8 miles north of griffin
[14:40:07] <ssi> and williamson is like 5 miles southwestn of griffin
[14:40:12] <ssi> so it's not moving far from where i am now
[14:40:23] <ssi> but that extra 13 miles is an extra 50% distance to my commute
[14:40:26] <_methods> yeah we might be going to mcdonough here in a few
[14:40:44] <_methods> i think there is an auction there we might get something from
[14:40:52] <ssi> if you do, come check out the shop
[14:40:57] <_methods> yeah i will
[14:42:23] <ssi> I got the plasma table mostly set back up
[14:42:38] <furrywolf> if it's a machine tooling auction, I need a cheap-but-servicable 6" cnc or cnc-able rotary table. :P
[14:42:40] <ssi> had a couple drippy leaks in the water table that I siliconed up, need to refill it and see if it holds
[14:44:19] <ssi> I have a 6" rotary table around that I bought years ago and haven't yet pressed into service
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[14:50:11] <furrywolf> is it cnc or cncable and do you want to sell it? :P
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[14:53:40] <ssi> it's a manual one that I intend to put a stepper on and no I am gonna need it eventually :)
[14:53:55] <ssi> I'm trying to recall where I got it
[14:54:13] <ssi> I bought it new from a website
[14:54:17] <ssi> like machine tool warehouse or something like that
[14:54:53] <ssi> wholesale tool I think
[14:55:02] <furrywolf> too expensive for me
[14:55:03] <ssi> http://www.wttool.com/index/page/product/product_id/20850/product_name/WT+Rotary+Table?gclid=CLC_1ICi8cUCFdgOgQodXUMAaA
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[14:55:22] <ssi> ug if $170 is too expensive for you then you're gonna have a rough time in this business :P
[14:55:29] <furrywolf> yes.
[14:56:40] <furrywolf> I still need a $200 mesa setup...
[14:56:41] <furrywolf> bbl, time for work
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[15:10:55] <CaptHindsight> what kind of 3D printer, mill, lathe, EDM, drill press, surface grinder can I make for <$50?..... cash
[15:11:39] <ssi> CaptHindsight: the kind that you can get off craigslist covered in rust
[15:11:41] <_methods> tube of toothpaste?
[15:11:52] <ssi> I have a rusty harbor freight 14" bandsaw still up in the house that I'll sell you for $49.99
[15:11:54] <_methods> attached to your arm
[15:13:18] <_methods> i think you could make one out of cd/dvd drives
[15:13:32] <CaptHindsight> we are all pretty resourceful here but there are limits
[15:13:43] <CaptHindsight> LOL
[15:13:48] <_methods> and a conductive pen
[15:13:53] <syyl_> man!
[15:13:55] <_methods> then say it 3d prints pcbs
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[15:14:01] <syyl_> you just need a hipsterish company name
[15:14:07] <_methods> hehe
[15:14:19] <CaptHindsight> Douchco?
[15:14:27] <syyl_> and make some crap from toilett paper, old beercans and broken dremas
[15:14:30] <syyl_> *dreams
[15:14:37] <CaptHindsight> oh and a woodgrain case
[15:14:51] <_methods> kickstarter here we come
[15:14:58] <syyl_> done deal :D
[15:15:13] <syyl_> its not that hard.
[15:15:28] <CaptHindsight> did I miss some sort of brain infection? When did wooden enclosures come back into fashion?
[15:15:39] <_methods> did they ever go out of style
[15:15:54] <_methods> it's renewable resource.........
[15:16:04] <syyl_> i want a tv with a brick-housing
[15:16:14] <syyl_> hipster that!
[15:16:20] <_methods> in order to get hipster traction you must use some renewable resource in your project
[15:16:23] <ssi> doable
[15:16:30] <_methods> dog poo
[15:16:35] <_methods> case
[15:16:39] <ssi> first thing we're going to do is make a machine that makes tiny 1/4 scale bricks from georgia clay
[15:16:39] <_methods> dog poo enclosure
[15:16:48] <ssi> we'll call it an "african village starter kit"
[15:16:54] <_methods> buwhahaha
[15:16:58] <ssi> then we'll use the tiny bricks to make renewable TV enclosures
[15:17:00] <syyl_> i think you can get those in a model railroad store ;)
[15:17:16] <CaptHindsight> https://www.crowdsupply.com/blueshift/hydrogen
[15:17:21] <ssi> btw I'm not making this shit up
[15:17:22] <ssi> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/622508883/global-village-construction-set
[15:17:37] <CaptHindsight> Supercapacitor-Powered Portable Speaker with wood grain enclosure
[15:17:40] <_methods> kickstarter never fails to produce the lulz
[15:17:50] <syyl_> what?
[15:17:56] <syyl_> not srysly?
[15:18:16] <syyl_> opensource tractor
[15:18:21] <ssi> CaptHindsight: it's called "hydrogen", but there's no fuel cell involved?
[15:18:22] <ssi> for shame
[15:18:28] <CaptHindsight> that construction set is great!
[15:18:28] <syyl_> its so
[15:18:40] <ssi> there was a guy selling little fuel cell kits at makerfaire last year
[15:18:42] <syyl_> bob the builder?
[15:18:44] <ssi> and I kinda actually wanted it
[15:18:55] <JT-Shop> my next project is to make a sandblaster out of a sandblaster
[15:18:56] <_methods> the bricks.......it's people
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[15:19:09] <syyl_> yeah
[15:19:16] <ssi> http://www.horizonfuelcell.com/#!science-experiment-kits/c1z3u
[15:19:16] <syyl_> one is still sticking out the chute
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[15:19:20] <_methods> heheh
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[15:19:32] <ssi> lololol
[15:19:50] <CaptHindsight> "only real heads are used to make our headstones"
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[15:19:54] <syyl_> :D
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[15:19:59] <syyl_> awesome
[15:20:08] <syyl_> i will drop some money on that project.
[15:20:40] <ssi> OOH ITS TUESDAY
[15:20:47] <_methods> yeah where is my hydrogen powered cell phone
[15:20:51] <_methods> with microgenerator
[15:21:06] <ssi> you know it's a good class when you get excited on the day the week's lesson is available
[15:21:22] <syyl_> hm
[15:21:23] <syyl_> maybe
[15:21:27] <syyl_> i should go into the shop
[15:21:34] <syyl_> and do something non hipsterish
[15:21:53] <syyl_> buidling a wooden unicycle or something like that...
[15:22:05] <_methods> set some freon free
[15:22:12] <ssi> freon isn't free
[15:22:16] <syyl_> ah
[15:22:20] <_methods> warm the globe
[15:22:24] <syyl_> workmate bought a electric unicycle
[15:22:24] <ssi> my favorite country song
[15:22:32] <syyl_> felt over with it after one week
[15:22:40] <_methods> hehe
[15:22:42] <syyl_> broken leg.
[15:22:47] <ssi> lol
[15:22:48] <syyl_> yeah sure
[15:22:49] <ssi> you should tell him
[15:22:49] <_methods> hidden cost of ownership
[15:22:55] <ssi> "You know, nobody's MAKING you do this"
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[15:23:06] <syyl_> he is pretty fit for a 60 year old dude
[15:23:07] <syyl_> but
[15:23:10] <CaptHindsight> I think tattoo removal services will be very popular in 10-20 years
[15:23:17] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I think you're right
[15:23:18] <syyl_> riding a unycycle?
[15:23:22] <syyl_> *uni
[15:23:27] <ssi> I don't even put bumper stickers on my car
[15:23:29] <_methods> especially in cali
[15:23:36] <_methods> all the saggin tats
[15:23:38] <syyl_> i wouldnt do it at half the age ;)
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[15:25:52] <CaptHindsight> https://www.crowdsupply.com/analog-artistry/leo-vintage-analog-sound makes any device sound like it's coming from a 1962 Zenith console TV
[15:26:01] <_methods> and that's a good thing?
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[15:26:52] <ssi> these guys are missing the point dramatically
[15:26:59] <_methods> hahahah usb armory
[15:27:03] <_methods> open soursce stick computer
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[15:27:11] <CaptHindsight> how about a device that introduces the sound of scratches from old records to give it that hipster old school feel?
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[15:27:23] <syyl_> people would buy it.
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[15:27:30] <syyl_> they would love it!
[15:27:36] <syyl_> IF it has a wooden case
[15:27:38] <_methods> wow this site is even more entertaining than kickstarter
[15:27:57] <CaptHindsight> I can't believe what's on it and how much is raised
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[15:28:13] <CaptHindsight> I embarrassed just reading it
[15:28:13] <syyl_> its just stupid :(
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[15:28:15] <_methods> the folding box dishes......
[15:28:24] <_methods> fold up eating set lol
[15:28:35] <_methods> selling chinese take out boxes to the masses lol
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[15:28:52] <_methods> https://www.crowdsupply.com/fold-project/a-fold-up-eating-set
[15:29:12] <syyl_> industrial designer.
[15:29:15] <syyl_> see the problem?
[15:29:21] <_methods> open source toothbursh lol
[15:29:21] <syyl_> the world is going to hell
[15:29:42] <ssi> well the good news is
[15:29:42] <syyl_> a machinist would cut one from a solid piece of material
[15:29:46] <syyl_> and call it done
[15:29:47] <ssi> nobody knows how to MAKE anything anymore
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[15:29:54] <syyl_> hey
[15:29:58] <ssi> except us
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[15:29:59] <syyl_> there is the MAKE movement!
[15:30:00] <syyl_> :D
[15:30:01] <ssi> that's the point
[15:30:09] <syyl_> the knitters
[15:30:10] <CaptHindsight> turns landfill paper into plates and bowls
[15:30:17] <ssi> my favorite thing in the world right now is the $15/hr minimum wage movement
[15:30:20] <_methods> https://www.crowdsupply.com/electroninks/circuit-scribe
[15:30:21] <ssi> I'm gonna open a business
[15:30:24] <_methods> that one is the best
[15:30:27] <ssi> called "Ian's Discount Robot Emporium"
[15:30:28] <_methods> $700k
[15:30:33] <ssi> "for all your $15/hr robot needs"
[15:30:35] <_methods> for a conductive pen
[15:30:59] <syyl_> realy?
[15:31:02] <CaptHindsight> with ink you can make yourself
[15:31:03] <_methods> that clown made $700k selling conductive pens
[15:31:05] <syyl_> thats
[15:31:06] <syyl_> uhm
[15:31:07] <ssi> http://www.alliedelec.com/chemtronics-cw2000/70219355/?mkwid=l5dWVYWd&pcrid=30980760979&gclid=CPyA44qq8cUCFZI8gQodZmYAQg
[15:31:09] <syyl_> man
[15:31:10] <ssi> those have been around for ages
[15:31:16] <syyl_> i need some crap in that realm myself
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[15:31:24] <CaptHindsight> yeah, amazing
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[15:31:55] <syyl_> anarchos?
[15:31:58] <_methods> i can't look at that site anymore my brain is bleeding
[15:32:01] <syyl_> any chance fixing your crap?
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[15:32:06] <syyl_> ah btw
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[15:32:09] <ssi> when you boil it down, it's just marketing
[15:32:10] <CaptHindsight> http://openlunchbox.com/smf/index.php?topic=43.0 DIY conductive ink
[15:32:15] <ssi> the conductive pen is a perfect example
[15:32:15] <syyl_> ohmy
[15:32:17] <Deejay> too fast for you, syyl_ ;)
[15:32:25] <syyl_> oh
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[15:32:30] <ssi> they took something that already existed, and showed moron hipsters that they could use it for something useless
[15:32:34] <ssi> and sold $700k worth
[15:32:39] <_methods> yeah
[15:32:43] <syyl_> the best guys are
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[15:32:47] <syyl_> shapeoko
[15:32:50] <syyl_> and xcarve
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[15:33:09] <syyl_> with their guerilla marketing
[15:33:13] <_methods> well actually i think apple has perfected
[15:33:19] <syyl_> sending machines out to youtube guys
[15:33:20] <_methods> take old hardware and sell it at a premium
[15:33:28] <_methods> to hipster douche bags
[15:33:32] <syyl_> "hey, see my new shapeko with the crapy dremel"
[15:33:35] <_methods> make it shiny
[15:33:39] <CaptHindsight> https://www.crowdsupply.com/speakeasy-briefs/speakeasy-briefs put your junk on your junk
[15:33:42] <ssi> _methods: I disagree there
[15:33:46] <_methods> hahahah
[15:33:48] <syyl_> "it can cut soft cardboard!"
[15:33:56] <ssi> apple hardware is nice, it's well built decent hardware
[15:34:04] <ssi> it's expensive, but no more expensive than it ought to be
[15:34:13] <ssi> I hate plastic PC garbage
[15:34:19] <ssi> laptops that last a year before they have to be thrown away
[15:34:36] <_methods> hell they're obsolete in a year lol
[15:34:38] <ssi> last PC laptop I bought was a sony, and it got so hot in normal operation that it melted its own shitty plastic case
[15:34:43] <CaptHindsight> $46,671 for a bottle opener!
https://www.crowdsupply.com/stout/stout-bottle-opener-a-forever-object
[15:34:45] <ssi> apples aren't
[15:34:59] <ssi> I'm on my 2011 MBP 17" right now and there's nothing out there that's worth replacing it with
[15:35:01] <_methods> that's cause they were obsolete when they were made
[15:35:12] <_methods> heheh
[15:35:25] <ssi> you can't buy the monitor in an imac for less than you can buy an imac
[15:35:40] <_methods> i honestly only look at the processor when i buy a laptop
[15:35:51] <ssi> hate all you want, but imo the people who think apple hardware is bad are the people who want to buy a pc for $250
[15:35:53] <_methods> i get the most powerful processor i can get and the rest doesn't matter
[15:35:56] <ssi> and they get what they pay for
[15:35:57] <_methods> i'll add it later for cheaper
[15:36:04] <ssi> yeah I'm the opposite these days
[15:36:10] <ssi> processor is the least important thing now
[15:36:20] <ssi> plenty of ram, fast solid state disk, and a nice monitor
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[15:36:24] <ssi> that's the user experience
[15:36:28] <_methods> yep i add all that later
[15:36:33] <_methods> i need quad core
[15:36:37] <ssi> I have quad core
[15:36:39] <_methods> if you want to run vm's
[15:36:40] <ssi> in all my apple products
[15:36:44] <roycroft> yes, processor speed/core count is not important for most applications these days
[15:36:48] <CaptHindsight> and a T60 type keyboard
[15:37:00] <_methods> well i run lots of vm's so i need cores
[15:37:01] <roycroft> it's hard to find a machine without at least 4 cores these days
[15:37:11] <ssi> I run lots of vms too
[15:37:13] <ssi> in a server
[15:37:15] <roycroft> it's not that cpu is unimportant
[15:37:15] <ssi> :P
[15:37:16] <CaptHindsight> have you seen the new quad core ARM Chromebooks for $150?
[15:37:20] <_methods> not really a lot of of those laptops are dual core
[15:37:24] <roycroft> it's that most machines have plenty of cpu
[15:37:33] <roycroft> memory is really the big issue with laptops
[15:37:34] <ssi> I have a dual core apple laptop
[15:37:36] <ssi> that I bought in 2008
[15:37:42] <ssi> it's a little slow for my needs but still servicable
[15:37:44] <roycroft> if you're going to run vms
[15:37:45] <ssi> everything else I have is quad
[15:38:07] <ssi> this one is a quad core i7, 32G ram, 17" laptop, 512G ssd, and a 1920x1200 monitor with insane pixel density
[15:38:07] <_methods> i have real vm rigs but sometimes you need to fire up a vm on site to test something or install something risky
[15:38:10] <ssi> and it's five years old
[15:38:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.walmart.com/ip/44389793?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227031839055&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=59242176752&wl4=&wl5=pla&wl6=122258029472&veh=sem
[15:38:29] <roycroft> one reason i got rid of my 2008 mbp is because it will only recognize 6GB of ram
[15:38:42] <roycroft> you can put 8GB in it but the machine will only recognize 6GB
[15:38:49] <roycroft> my new-ish mbp has 16GB
[15:38:59] <ssi> oh here's another fun tidbit
[15:39:02] <roycroft> and is much better for running multiple vms
[15:39:14] <ssi> I bought a 5k imac after the fire, to replace my old i7 quadcore imac that was in the house
[15:39:20] <ssi> I brought the burned up one down to the hangar
[15:39:23] <ssi> wiped the soot off teh glass
[15:39:25] <ssi> and it works flawlessly
[15:39:26] <roycroft> i don't run many vms at a time
[15:39:29] <roycroft> i have a buttload installed though
[15:39:34] <ssi> the isight camera at the top is a little melty
[15:39:37] <ssi> but everything works fine
[15:40:00] <roycroft> windows is so horrible that i've had serious issues over the years installing multiple apps on a single windows machine - lots of conflicts
[15:40:01] <_methods> heh my buddy burnt his house down and they had a samsung tv all melted on the wall
[15:40:06] <_methods> plugged it in and works fine
[15:40:09] <_methods> smells like shit
[15:40:14] <roycroft> so i just keep a master windows vm and when i need a windows app i clone that and install the app
[15:40:17] <_methods> but you can watch tv on it all day long
[15:40:22] <ssi> lol
[15:40:25] <roycroft> unfortunately that consumes a lot of disk
[15:40:35] <roycroft> fortunately i don't run windows apps very often
[15:40:59] <ssi> I have a server in a datacenter downtown with 16tb of raid6 that I use for VMs
[15:41:02] <_methods> yeah i'm using windows less and less these days
[15:41:12] <ssi> and two netblocks totalling 24 ips
[15:41:21] <roycroft> i only use it when i absolutely have to
[15:41:22] <_methods> who you colo with?
[15:41:23] <ssi> 2.5TB/mo bandwidth
[15:41:27] <ssi> ubiquity
[15:41:30] <_methods> how much?
[15:41:36] <_methods> 8u?
[15:41:39] <ssi> $165/mo for 2U and the netblocks
[15:41:39] <_methods> or 4u slot?
[15:41:45] <roycroft> and besides apps that only run on windows, i primarily use it to shut up tech support people who whine about macs
[15:41:51] <_methods> hmmm not bad for 2u i guess
[15:41:59] <ssi> yeah it'd be nice to have more space but it suits me
[15:42:07] <ssi> actually I've been thinking about getting a new machine
[15:42:10] <_methods> yeah how the hell you fit 2.5tb in 2u lol
[15:42:11] <roycroft> almost invariably when i open a support case on some software that's misbehaving i'm told that it "works fine on windows"
[15:42:15] <ssi> 16TB
[15:42:18] <ssi> the 2.5TB is bandwidth :P
[15:42:22] <roycroft> so i clone a windows vm and run the app there and it still breaks
[15:42:27] <_methods> oops i mean 16tb lol
[15:42:32] <roycroft> this is mostly cisco java crap
[15:42:35] <ssi> they make boxes now that have four nodes in a 2U box
[15:42:39] <ssi> with 24 2.5" drive bays
[15:42:51] <_methods> do they sell half racks?
[15:42:53] <roycroft> and sometimes other vendors' java crap
[15:43:03] <_methods> i might have someone that would like to go in on colo
[15:43:04] <ssi> check this shit out
[15:43:04] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermicro-SuperServer-SYS-5026TI-BTRF-Four-Node-LGA1156-920W-2U-Rackmount-/161671904759?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25a4657df7
[15:43:08] <_methods> including me
[15:43:10] <ssi> that one is set up with 12x 3.5"
[15:43:16] <_methods> so 3 of us split 24u colo
[15:43:21] <ssi> we could talk to them
[15:43:29] <ssi> I'm sorta granfathered on my existing plan so I have to be careful about changing it
[15:43:38] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supermicro-SuperServer-SYS-2028TP-HTR-Four-Node-Dual-LGA2011-2000W-2U-Rackmount-/321706459098?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae732ffda
[15:43:42] <ssi> there's the 24 bay one
[15:43:54] <_methods> wow only 2400
[15:44:03] <ssi> dual xeons per node
[15:44:06] <ssi> so eight xeons total
[15:44:50] <_methods> wow that's a lot for that
[15:44:59] <_methods> all in 2u
[15:45:09] <ssi> and those xeons come up to 8 core
[15:45:17] <ssi> 64 cores in 2U :D
[15:45:31] <ssi> 8 dimms per node, up to 512G per node, 2TB total
[15:45:33] <ssi> of RAM
[15:45:34] <ssi> hahahaha
[15:45:36] <_methods> tht box is including the procs/ram and drives?
[15:45:45] <ssi> don't think so
[15:45:53] <_methods> wtf is it including?
[15:46:12] <cthompson> ssi: if you've got the cash, Intel has a Xeon E5v3 with 18 physical cores on one chip
[15:46:19] <cthompson> they're about $4500 a pop
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[15:46:28] <ssi> yeah that's a bit absurd
[15:46:40] <_methods> yeah that's way out of my ballpark
[15:47:23] <cthompson> http://ark.intel.com/products/81061/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2699-v3-45M-Cache-2_30-GHz
[15:47:37] <ssi> here's one that's put together
[15:47:37] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2U-Supermicro-4-Node-2U-Server-6026TT-TF-8x-X5650-Hex-Six-Core-192GB-RAM-C6100-/131527319368?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e9fa39f48
[15:47:42] <cthompson> chip has 45meg of L3 cache, about 2.25 times larger than my first hard drive.
[15:47:53] <ssi> four nodes, 2x X5650 6 core per node
[15:47:57] <ssi> which is what, 48 cores total
[15:48:03] <ssi> 48G ram per node
[15:48:15] <ssi> no drives
[15:48:17] <anarchos> Wow
[15:48:23] <ssi> for $2150, not bad
[15:48:41] <cthompson> that's a lot of capacity in a single point of failure
[15:48:47] <ssi> :D
[15:48:58] <ssi> it's got dual power supplies!
[15:49:11] <ssi> wait no that one doesn't
[15:49:16] <ssi> it's capable of it but looks like only one's installed
[15:49:20] <_methods> yeah dual
[15:49:27] <ssi> ah yea specs say dual
[15:49:30] <_methods> dual 1400w it says
[15:49:39] <ssi> I kinda want to buy one and screw around with it
[15:49:42] <anarchos> I pay $5/mo for a 512mb ram, 20gb, 1tb transfer vps :-p
[15:49:50] <ssi> get it setup with a hypervisor cluster and swap it out for my other machine
[15:49:51] <cthompson> here at work we've had vmware ESX cluster hosts just drop all at once because officially supported RAM upgrades decided to work for 72 hours then stop
[15:49:54] <_methods> yeah man that would mean i could kill off all my vps's
[15:50:11] <_methods> digital ocean
[15:50:20] <cthompson> anarchos: $0.99 here :)
[15:50:23] <anarchos> Yeah thats who i use
[15:50:25] <ssi> I'm on ESXi now
[15:50:29] <ssi> I want to explore other options
[15:50:31] <ssi> like kvm
[15:50:35] <_methods> yeah i have a couple droplets
[15:50:41] <anarchos> $1.00?! Where?
[15:50:47] <_methods> yeah screw esxi anymore
[15:50:49] <cthompson> atlantic.net had $0.99 for a while but they're up to $4.99 now
[15:50:54] <anarchos> Ah
[15:50:55] <_methods> xen kvm time
[15:51:00] <cthompson> I should have grabbed three when they were available
[15:51:03] <cthompson> just got the one
[15:51:18] <cthompson> right now the only thing it runs is this copy of irssi :)
[15:51:22] <ssi> lol
[15:51:31] <_methods> yeah i got a droplet running my irssi too
[15:51:48] <ssi> my irssi is running on a linux vm in my esx box :P
[15:51:49] <cthompson> my primary stuff is at linode.com
[15:51:53] <anarchos> I use mine to run Syncthing mostly
[15:51:57] <ssi> 11:51 -!- ssi [~ssi@app2.prototechnical.com]
[15:52:46] <_methods> well $165/month for 2u isn't too bad if i put a box in there like that one
[15:53:01] <_methods> between all my vps's i'm paying about that now
[15:53:22] <_methods> but i don't have to mess with any hardware......
[15:53:35] <_methods> but i don't have near that much drive space
[15:53:47] <_methods> maybe 400gb between all of them
[15:54:16] <ssi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2U-Supermicro-6026TT-HTRF-Server-4-Node-8x-Intel-X5560-QC-96GB-12x-2TB-X8DTT-F-/151696438092?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2351cff34c
[15:54:20] <ssi> that one comes with 12TB storage
[15:54:25] <ssi> but only 32 core
[15:54:48] <_methods> and 96gb ram
[15:54:52] <ssi> yeah
[15:54:58] <cthompson> I had a box at a place in France for a few months trying it out as a seedbox, ran great, huge bandwidth, but only 1TB drive
[15:55:35] <ssi> I've got 8x 2TB in mine now
[15:55:40] <ssi> but I really have no use for all that storage :P
[15:56:02] <_methods> i do i'd put all my movies and tv shows on that
[15:56:07] <ssi> :P
[15:56:14] <_methods> plex baby
[15:56:23] <_methods> on big fat pipes too
[15:56:32] <_methods> would be nice
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[15:57:01] <_methods> heh who needs netflix
[15:57:34] <ssi> it's definitely on fat pipes
[15:57:50] <ssi> I have gigabit from my desk at work to the rack that my server is in across town
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[15:58:43] <CaptHindsight> what is the state of directX support on VM's? Can I run winders CAD on a Linux host?
[16:01:18] <cthompson> _methods: I ran a test, had the box in france with sabnzbd and sickbeard, ran plex server there, displayed it at my house perfectly with a plex frontend
[16:01:33] <cthompson> that was fun
[16:02:01] <skunkworks_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/opensource-software/271966-grbl-logging-linuxcnc.html#post1711262
[16:02:02] <cthompson> and that box was only four cores of Atom for the processor
[16:05:18] <skunkworks_> heh - linuxcnc making a crown..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=343OtmsMyPc
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[16:13:02] <ssi> http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/5011916575.html
[16:13:03] <ssi> ahahaa
[16:14:55] <archivist> bit over priced for scrap car!
[16:16:26] <ssi> SUICIDAL
[16:20:08] <Rab> looool @ suicidal hood and suicidal trunk
[16:22:27] <zeeshan> 8500!
[16:22:53] <CaptHindsight> a true ghetto cruiser
[16:23:45] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/JYv9ZB0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lKNcD8k.jpg
[16:23:53] <zeeshan> started building the exhaust manifolds yesterday :D
[16:24:22] <CaptHindsight> you're not casting them? :)
[16:24:26] <zeeshan> nah
[16:25:12] <CaptHindsight> I don't have the patience to cut and weld parts like that
[16:25:28] <zeeshan> welcome to car fab
[16:25:29] <zeeshan> :D
[16:25:31] <zeeshan> thats 80% of it!
[16:25:40] <ssi> are you making it out of black iron pipe? :P
[16:25:45] <CaptHindsight> unless someone pays me enough to hire someone else to do it :)
[16:25:52] <zeeshan> ssi: thats just a zinc coatin
[16:26:14] <CaptHindsight> my car fab days are over
[16:26:30] <CaptHindsight> nobody thinks your time is worth anything
[16:26:40] <Rab> I think casting a manifold that doesn't warp or crack probably requires considerable patience and/or skill.
[16:26:58] <zeeshan> i usually charge 950 for a log style manifold for a v8
[16:27:05] <zeeshan> and 1500 for tubular
[16:27:18] <zeeshan> its okay money
[16:27:31] <zeeshan> i cant charge myself though ;[
[16:27:48] <ssi> sure you can
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[16:29:20] <zeeshan> back in the day i used to cut the holes in the main log using a plasma cutter
[16:29:32] <zeeshan> now i think im gonna use a 1/4" end mill and circular interpolation
[16:29:32] <zeeshan> lol
[16:29:39] <zeeshan> will leave a cleaner edge
[16:29:48] <zeeshan> i wish i had a 2" annular cutter
[16:30:11] * SpeedEvil sometimes wishes he wasn't so childish as to find annular a bit funny.
[16:30:20] <zeeshan> ANNAL
[16:30:43] <SpeedEvil> Take a cheap hole-saw and cut off most of the teeeth?
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[16:30:56] <ssi> dang that's a good idea
[16:30:58] <zeeshan> i have a fixture for the lathe where i mount the log style manifold
[16:31:03] <zeeshan> and use a regular hole saw
[16:31:08] <zeeshan> but its slow and painful
[16:31:35] <SpeedEvil> I was imagining what swing lathe you would need for that.
[16:31:45] <SpeedEvil> But then I realised you meant with the cutter in the spindle
[16:31:51] <zeeshan> yes
[16:32:07] <ssi> which is just a shitty, difficult to use horizontal mill :P
[16:32:34] <SpeedEvil> Linear interpolation doesn't seem like a bad idea
[16:32:39] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: how much for a complete set for intake and exhaust?
[16:32:43] <SpeedEvil> Or that slow
[16:32:57] <zeeshan> intake costs more than exhaust
[16:33:00] <zeeshan> cause of velocity stacks
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[16:33:21] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: On a related topic - I've been wondering for a bit about a 'beam/pipe CNC'
[16:33:35] <zeeshan> 4 cylinder standard plenum w/ velocity stacks 6061 is around 1250-1400
[16:33:36] <ssi> I've wanted to build a machine that can accurately profile thin wall steel tube
[16:33:38] <SpeedEvil> That is - optimised to do operations on wooden beams and pipes.
[16:33:41] <ssi> both ends
[16:33:59] <ssi> like these guys do
[16:33:59] <ssi> http://vr3.ca
[16:34:01] <SpeedEvil> Nicely chop both ends into the required profile, and do finger joints ... in wood.
[16:34:15] <SpeedEvil> Or add mortices down the sides
[16:34:25] <ssi> SpeedEvil: ever seen the pantorouter?
[16:34:28] <SpeedEvil> yes.
[16:34:37] <zeeshan> http://i48.tinypic.com/16kzvnq.png http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/v_plate_zpsead90cf7.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/pipe_in_jig_zpscd6242dc.jpg http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/notched_zps94ff6fc0.jpg
[16:34:38] <SpeedEvil> Basically like a grown-up pantorouter.
[16:34:42] <zeeshan> can only find pics of the notching
[16:34:48] <zeeshan> sorry about photobucket pics, they are old!
[16:35:11] <zeeshan> you could use plasma to profile
[16:35:23] <SpeedEvil> Not so great on oak.
[16:35:24] <zeeshan> but it destroys the cutting edge ive noticed if you use air.
[16:35:25] <ssi> yeah I just need a proper machine to be abl eto do it
[16:35:35] <zeeshan> youd need to use nitrogen or something else
[16:35:45] <zeeshan> cause when you go to tig it, it's like welding rusted material
[16:35:51] <zeeshan> so you gotta edge prep
[16:35:54] <SpeedEvil> Sometimes I wish I had a 100% argon-filled shop.
[16:35:57] <SpeedEvil> But it has issues.
[16:36:06] <ssi> lol
[16:36:08] <zeeshan> hah
[16:36:32] <ssi> zeeshan: the other thing about my use case is typical tubing is 1/2" to 1" od, and .028 to .049 wall thickness
[16:36:42] <ssi> which doesn't profile well with holesaw jigs or even endmills
[16:37:04] <ssi> honestly laser would be the absolute best way to do it
[16:37:08] <ssi> but it's above my budget :(
[16:37:16] <ssi> _methods needs to build that machine and let me use it :D
[16:37:20] <CaptHindsight> keep your eyes out
[16:37:30] <zeeshan> i really like the waterjet profilers
[16:37:33] <SpeedEvil> ssi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3YCACZQ72Q
[16:37:38] <zeeshan> you can weld to em right after
[16:37:40] <zeeshan> no haz
[16:37:41] <zeeshan> etc
[16:37:42] <SpeedEvil> Hand-operated laser cutting for nuclear decommissioning
[16:37:43] <ssi> I've seen that
[16:37:43] <ssi> heh
[16:37:54] <ssi> waterjet is above my budget too
[16:38:09] <ssi> and I wonder if you can cut small tubing with a waterjet without cutting all the way through
[16:38:10] <SpeedEvil> IIRC that was 3kW average @900nm
[16:38:23] <CaptHindsight> used robot for $1k + laser
[16:38:25] <SpeedEvil> seems plausible
[16:39:33] <SpeedEvil> ssi: I guess you're also doing a lot of stainless?
[16:39:46] <ssi> no, mostly 4130
[16:39:52] <SpeedEvil> ah
[16:39:53] <zeeshan> fakin stainless
[16:39:53] <zeeshan> !
[16:40:01] <zeeshan> killer of carbide end mills
[16:40:11] <SpeedEvil> ssi: it's almost in the range where some sort of nibbler would work
[16:40:29] <SpeedEvil> Are CNC nibblers a thing?
[16:40:35] <ssi> lol I dunno
[16:40:59] <zeeshan> i honestly dont know why you cant use an end mill
[16:41:04] <zeeshan> even for thin stuff
[16:41:12] <ssi> I had bad luck with it catching and bending
[16:41:19] <ssi> especially the pointy ends of a fishmouth
[16:41:26] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: you can - if it's rigidly clamped at the very cutting point
[16:41:29] <ssi> with careful toolpaths it'd probably be ok
[16:41:29] <SpeedEvil> Which it's not
[16:41:42] <zeeshan> hold it in a collet! :P
[16:41:45] <zeeshan> 5c
[16:41:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kuka-Roboter-KR150L-150SP-2-Robot-Arm-No-Controller/271659536669 $999
[16:42:17] <zeeshan> that robot with a plasma cutter
[16:42:19] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: naah
[16:42:21] <zeeshan> is all youd need! :P
[16:42:22] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: 10 available
[16:42:23] <ssi> OH SHIT
[16:42:24] <SpeedEvil> get 2
[16:42:55] <CaptHindsight> that is a beast for $1k
[16:43:01] <ssi> yeah
[16:43:03] <zeeshan> whats with the big ass hydraulic acummulator
[16:43:03] <ssi> and close enough to me
[16:43:03] <SpeedEvil> Damn.
[16:43:04] <zeeshan> on the bottom
[16:43:25] <ssi> what do you suppose it weighs
[16:43:27] <CaptHindsight> the Milwaukee hackerspace has one that size
[16:43:40] <CaptHindsight> don't think they ever got it to work with linuxcnc
[16:43:52] <ssi> why not
[16:44:20] <pcw_home> 5 axis?
[16:44:32] <CaptHindsight> 150 kg payload and 2700 mm arm reach. 6 axis
[16:44:44] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSl7UI2gkqg
[16:44:59] <pcw_home> Lb for Lb a deal...
[16:45:07] <zeeshan> thats pretty quick too
[16:45:40] <CaptHindsight> ~1200Kg
[16:46:08] <ssi> that's not too bad
[16:46:15] <CaptHindsight> I'd get it
[16:46:20] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: there are ten of them, and they could cooperating lift 1200kg
[16:46:22] <ssi> a bit too heavy for my car to pull
[16:46:22] <CaptHindsight> if you have the time
[16:46:33] <ssi> but I can unload it with my lift
[16:46:41] <SpeedEvil> It's an awesome bargain to screw around with
[16:46:44] <ssi> yeah
[16:46:48] <ssi> I seriously might try to get one
[16:46:50] <SpeedEvil> Not so much if you want it next week
[16:46:51] <CaptHindsight> Item location: Bristol, Virginia
[16:47:11] <CaptHindsight> that one is easy to work on
[16:47:25] <CaptHindsight> all the wires are on the outside
[16:47:29] <ssi> five hour drive
[16:48:11] <CaptHindsight> train it to sword fight
[16:48:15] <CaptHindsight> post video
[16:48:24] <CaptHindsight> $$$
[16:48:24] <ssi> :D
[16:48:30] <SpeedEvil> I dunno - the outside bits look weldy
[16:49:37] <CaptHindsight> was used in a welding cell so it will have some weld splash here and there, some built on dust, etc
[16:50:12] <CaptHindsight> http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/3/2/0/1/0/9/webimg/783888728_o.jpg?nc=931
[16:50:21] <ssi> if I had the wherewithal to buy all ten I could just get them shipped truck freight
[16:50:51] <ssi> all servos you think, or is there hydraulics in it
[16:51:42] <CaptHindsight> all servos and harmonic drives
[16:52:00] <ssi> omg I could make one a 6 axis laser weapon^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^cutter
[16:52:52] <_methods> nsa surveillance begin now
[16:53:04] <ssi> nah we turned that off remember?
[16:53:12] <_methods> /nsa
[16:53:14] <_methods> lol
[16:53:40] <_methods> i think congress just was too lazy to turn them back on
[16:54:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nachi-Robot-8608-07-/380320896831
[16:54:27] <Rab> What's the big thing at the elbow joint on the Kuka? Looks like a counterweight with three servos?
[16:54:30] <ssi> what's the kinematics on these robots
[16:54:41] <_methods> most of them are point to teach
[16:55:09] <_methods> most weld cells at least
[16:55:29] <ssi> well I mean if I was gonna linuxcnc it
[16:55:33] <ssi> what kins would I start with
[16:55:33] <ssi> it's not scara
[16:55:43] <_methods> yeah not scara
[16:56:10] <zeeshan> rab you've worked with bbb before
[16:56:16] <Rab> zeeshan, I have.
[16:56:18] <zeeshan> for the gpio
[16:56:23] <zeeshan> what kind of SSR will it drive directly
[16:57:08] <zeeshan> i cant find the damn specs for the gpio
[16:57:09] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ajXJ3nj1Q Box by Bot & Dolly
[16:57:13] <SpeedEvil> It should do 3.3V@5mA or so.
[16:57:19] <Rab> zeeshan, all you get is 3.3V at a few mA. It's a good idea to use some kind of level shifting, or even an optocoupler.
[16:57:20] <SpeedEvil> This may be enough for sensitive SSRs
[16:57:32] <SpeedEvil> A transistor would be a good plan though
[16:57:34] <zeeshan> why so little?
[16:57:44] <ssi> there's plenty of ssrs that'll switch on 3v3 5mA
[16:57:48] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: beause it's not designed to drive load
[16:57:49] <CaptHindsight> isn't Google control software open source? I think it plugs into Rhino for control of paths
[16:57:52] <Rab> zeeshan, it's direct from the CPU.
[16:58:02] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: and arduino people can't read datasheets.
[16:58:27] <SpeedEvil> They tend to quote absolute maximum one pin numbers at which functionality is not guaranteed and the device can die after a few seconds as continuous
[16:58:34] <ssi> CaptHindsight: dammit now I have to come up with a way to move this damn robot
[16:58:38] <ssi> you're a bad influence
[16:58:43] * zeeshan misses messa 7i77
[16:58:46] <SpeedEvil> Which distorts what people think micros can do
[16:58:47] <zeeshan> which can switch 300mA :(
[16:58:49] <zeeshan> @ 24v :(
[16:58:54] <Rab> Yeah, total gpio load is something like 40mA through any combination of pins IIRC.
[16:59:15] <zeeshan> thats enough to drive 2 leds..
[16:59:16] <zeeshan> wat
[16:59:33] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: you add a 2n2222a or whatever transistor, a 1K resistor, and then you can drive 100mA or more up to around 30V
[16:59:33] <ssi> um
[16:59:38] <ssi> it's enough to drive 40 leds
[16:59:43] <CaptHindsight> ssi: I still have a robot from last year I haven't touched
[16:59:48] <Rab> zeeshan, it's a tiny CPU with a lot of stuff crammed in and low power dissipation.
[16:59:48] <zeeshan> is there a standard cape
[16:59:51] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I still have a VMC that needs conversion
[16:59:54] <zeeshan> you can use with it to get more functionality
[16:59:59] <zeeshan> witghout me having to do that nonsense
[17:00:01] <Rab> zeeshan, standard for what?
[17:00:04] <zeeshan> bbb
[17:00:07] <ssi> zeeshan: I'd send you a spare SSR cape but I think I burnt up all the spares :)
[17:00:21] <CaptHindsight> you can't pass up a good deal, bu next year all those robots could be gone
[17:00:22] <ssi> I'll look around tho
[17:00:24] <ssi> I might have some
[17:00:26] <Rab> There are a bunch of level shifter capes, some even CNC specific (although I guess your project isn't for CNC).
[17:00:30] <ssi> CaptHindsight: I really want one
[17:00:34] <ssi> it'd be a lot of fun
[17:00:39] <zeeshan> i just wanna switch 2 solenoids!!!!
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[17:01:36] <Rab> zeeshan, something like this then?
http://www.logicsupply.com/components/beaglebone/capes/cbb-relay/
[17:02:02] <zeeshan> yes
[17:02:03] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: pneumatic actuator and knife switch?
[17:02:04] <zeeshan> but with SSR
[17:02:16] <ssi> zeeshan: you really just need to mantf up and learn some EE
[17:02:22] <zeeshan> dont got time
[17:02:33] <ssi> then hire someone
[17:02:34] <zeeshan> just need to plug wire
[17:02:35] <zeeshan> and work
[17:02:53] <zeeshan> i know the products exist
[17:02:56] <zeeshan> why do you gotta build everything
[17:03:02] <zeeshan> when someone already selling one that you need
[17:03:09] <zeeshan> im sure people have made a SSR cape for it
[17:03:21] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: what controls the SSR? duino?
[17:03:29] <zeeshan> bbb
[17:04:02] <Rab> zeeshan, why do you specifically need an SSR?
[17:04:27] <zeeshan> i might rapidly switch a pressure solenoid
[17:04:41] <zeeshan> that is a big might
[17:04:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Channel-5V-Solid-State-Relay-Board-OMRON-SSR-AVR-DSP-For-Arduino-Module-/361190710330 or similar 2 channel version
[17:05:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Channel-5V-Relay-Module-With-Optocoupler-For-Arduino-DSP-AVR-PIC-ARM-/321771118492
[17:05:21] <Rab> http://www.bonebrews.com/solid-state-relay-with-a-beaglebone/
[17:05:26] <zeeshan> i guess i should be more specific
[17:05:35] <CaptHindsight> yeah, tends to help
[17:05:46] <zeeshan> each load is drawing 3A @ 24V
[17:05:49] <zeeshan> i have 2 solenoids
[17:06:02] <zeeshan> i'd like to use the bbb cause it is a true realtime platform out of the box
[17:06:22] <zeeshan> rab i saw that article
[17:06:30] <zeeshan> but iwant something already made :(
[17:07:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-5V-2-Channel-OMRON-SSR-High-Level-Solid-State-Relay-Module-250V-2A-Arduino-/251964352871
[17:07:30] <Rab> It's one chip on a board.
[17:07:47] <zeeshan> nice CaptHindsight
[17:08:14] <zeeshan> Rab: i wanna spend as little time as possible on building boards etc
[17:08:17] <Rab> Yeah, that module might work great.
[17:08:18] <zeeshan> if i can buy them, i was advised to buy them
[17:08:22] <CaptHindsight> 3.3-5V 2mA trigger voltage trigger current
[17:08:39] <zeeshan> isn't there a platform that's like industrial
[17:08:49] <zeeshan> like the beaglebone, that doesnt need all these addons
[17:09:02] <zeeshan> and allows you to trigger standard 24vdc signals up to say 200mA each
[17:09:04] <zeeshan> like the 7i77
[17:09:30] <zeeshan> i'm almost tempted to just buy the 7i77 5i25 and a regular computer
[17:09:53] <zeeshan> connect it's outputs directly to the ssr.
[17:09:59] <zeeshan> din rail mounted ssrs
[17:10:23] <zeeshan> and read the pressure transducer using the 0-5v encoders
[17:10:55] <zeeshan> then when im done with this research, ill keep it for my use! :D
[17:12:05] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdxtdPL50XE
[17:15:03] <ssi> Ian's Discount Robot Emporium is gonna be off to a great start!
[17:15:37] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMIOiwxBS8
[17:15:38] <ssi> HOT
[17:15:55] <zeeshan> haha
[17:16:07] <zeeshan> they make me giggle
[17:17:02] <CaptHindsight> that Kuka is probably ~250um for repeatability
[17:17:13] <ssi> jesus
[17:17:40] <zeeshan> man this idea of making a linuxcnc based pressure controller
[17:17:45] <zeeshan> really makes me want to try it out!
[17:18:11] <zeeshan> then i can run the whole test using it
[17:18:25] <CaptHindsight> the new version of that model is speced at ±0,06 mm
[17:18:59] <ssi> that's insane
[17:19:07] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ISSXFjHiQ
[17:19:26] <ssi> omg actually I have a real use for it
[17:19:33] <ssi> I could use it to carve props
[17:20:10] <CaptHindsight> ssi: did it just climb up a few spots on your todo list? :)
[17:20:36] <ssi> yep
[17:20:48] <CaptHindsight> hang out at Comicon conventions and make stuff
[17:21:03] <_methods> hehe
[17:21:10] <_methods> carve spock ears
[17:21:29] <CaptHindsight> entire suits carved while you wait
[17:21:42] <CaptHindsight> shields, helmets, etc
[17:21:48] <ssi> I bet I could talk them out of four of them for $3500
[17:21:56] <CaptHindsight> yup
[17:22:01] <_methods> cyclops costume........oh wait 3d printer people already do that
[17:22:07] <CaptHindsight> hehe
[17:22:08] <ssi> if I built a nice control for them, I could make some cash on them
[17:22:18] <CaptHindsight> fresh paint
[17:22:26] <zeeshan> pcw_home: is there an ADC on the 7i77?
[17:22:41] <ssi> there is I believe
[17:22:45] <zeeshan> 14 bit?
[17:22:56] <zeeshan> for the mpg?
[17:23:58] <zeeshan> couldn't i also drive a 4-20mA output using the analog outs?
[17:24:03] <CaptHindsight> if you could print or carve a mask in 10 minutes you could charge $100 ea at Cosplay events
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[17:24:20] <ssi> ANALOG INPUTS
[17:24:21] <ssi> All field input pins are capable of reading the input voltage. These are not highly accurate or high resolution but can be useful for things like potentiometer inputs. Input resolution is 8 bits and input full scale value is 36.3V. Accuracy is +-5%
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[17:24:44] <ssi> CaptHindsight: true point, but I don' think I'm gonna bring a 3000lb industrial robot to dragoncon :D
[17:25:04] <ssi> zeeshan: I don't think that's gonna do what you want
[17:25:24] <FinboySlick> ssi: Pff, some people bring heavier stuff, and they're crates of hentai manga.
[17:25:36] <zeeshan> ;[
[17:25:54] <ssi> FinboySlick: crates of hentai manga have less potential to maim and smaller power requirements :DH
[17:26:15] <CaptHindsight> a fast SLA printer could make masks and helmets while you wait
[17:26:20] <ssi> yeah
[17:26:30] <FinboySlick> ssi: I don't know... That world can get pretty strange.
[17:26:39] <CaptHindsight> hmm, I see a franchise opportunity on kickstarter :)
[17:27:04] <ssi> CaptHindsight: problem is most of the affordable SLA printers have too small a work envelope
[17:27:23] <CaptHindsight> I can make one for a few hundred
[17:27:41] <ssi> I'd like to make an sla printer
[17:27:43] <CaptHindsight> I'm using Epson high temp LCD panels
[17:27:51] <archivist> replace your glue gun with a glue blunderbuss for larger objects
[17:27:52] <CaptHindsight> the ones in the projectors
[17:28:08] <ssi> top down or bottom up
[17:28:11] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: That reminds me... Was curious about this thing:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116575CVF&cm_re=laser_projector-_-24-116-575CVF-_-Product
[17:28:25] <FinboySlick> Since it has no colorwheel, you think it could be tricked into outputting the right wavelengths?
[17:28:28] <CaptHindsight> ~1" x .7" and 1920 x 1200
[17:28:57] <FinboySlick> Though I guess UV is still out of the question.
[17:29:07] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: you just need
http://bucktownpolymers.com/zve200-v470.html
[17:29:38] <CaptHindsight> sensitive from UV up to ~520nm (Blue green)
[17:29:46] <ssi> $900 for 20kg D:
[17:29:54] <ssi> $45/kg
[17:29:56] <CaptHindsight> I'll make you a deal
[17:30:06] <ssi> I guess that's not too too far above the cost of gluegun filament
[17:30:10] <ssi> maybe 2x
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[17:30:46] <CaptHindsight> http://bucktownpolymers.com/zve100-v470.html is less $
[17:32:11] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: I'll have to look at those specs closer
[17:32:25] <CaptHindsight> it says hybrid LED with laser
[17:32:33] <CaptHindsight> and DLP
[17:33:37] <CaptHindsight> either way the Blue LED/Laser should be ~460nm
[17:34:16] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF4HG6v29UY Casio Laser projector
[17:34:44] <Jymmm> you looking for a diode laser?
[17:35:10] <CaptHindsight> visible light SLA
[17:35:24] <Jymmm> cutting?
[17:35:33] <CaptHindsight> printing
[17:35:33] <Jymmm> engraving?
[17:35:49] <CaptHindsight> with photopolymers using Blue light 460nm
[17:35:55] <Jymmm> UV ok?
[17:35:57] <zeeshan> for a pressure transducer, or any other output, which is the most easiest to deal with: 0-5VDC, 4-20mA?
[17:36:10] <zeeshan> im thinking 4-20mA since you guys were telling me i can put a resistor
[17:36:14] <zeeshan> and use any size power supply.
[17:36:22] <zeeshan> and control my min and max voltage value
[17:37:03] <ssi> zeeshan: for your needs, I think you're better off finding a suitably accurate compensated digital sensor if possible
[17:37:11] <ssi> like an I2C sensor or similar
[17:37:19] <zeeshan> ssi it seems like omega doesnt make em
[17:37:20] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIY-Desktop-1500mW-Mini-Laser-Engraving-Machine-Cutting-Logo-Picture-Image-/161718958165
[17:37:23] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: someone just asked about how to do it with a projector that outputs 460nm
[17:37:45] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I only mention it because thye tal abou different laser options, maybe you can just get the option and not the whole machine.
[17:38:22] <Jymmm> polymer setting needs UV
[17:38:28] <CaptHindsight> nope
[17:38:49] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: we make them from UV to IR
[17:38:59] <Jymmm> It's rare to find thermoset liquid polymers
[17:39:09] <CaptHindsight> http://bucktownpolymers.com/rcpolymers00.html
[17:39:54] <CaptHindsight> photopolymers, they use photinitiators to trigger polymerization using light
[17:40:31] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Is this a dye-sub ink altenative?
[17:40:49] <Jymmm> alternative*
[17:41:23] <CaptHindsight> dye sublimation transfers ink from one surface to another by heating it to a vapor
[17:41:50] <CaptHindsight> when it's a vapor it can go into sub micron pores
[17:42:14] <CaptHindsight> photpolymers replace solvent and thermal curing
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[17:42:46] <Jymmm> Is this an alternative?
[17:42:48] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGd4CzZUkAA3bcO.jpg:large
[17:42:49] <CaptHindsight> so you can spray a part with a radcure resin and cure it in 2 seconds using light
[17:43:04] <zeeshan> http://www.phidgets.com/products.php?category=0&product_id=1018_2
[17:43:06] <CaptHindsight> no bake time, no waiting for solvent to evaporate
[17:43:09] <zeeshan> found the board i need!
[17:43:26] <Jymmm> Yes, I used to work with 6foot long 600W/inch UV curing lamps for the printing industry.
[17:43:33] <zeeshan> perfect
[17:43:41] <Jymmm> I'm just askign if this is an alternative to that?
[17:44:08] <ssi> zeeshan: ewSB
[17:44:12] <zeeshan> sb?
[17:44:24] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: is can be since radcure inks and coating can be formulated to stick to just about anything
[17:45:36] <CaptHindsight> dye-sub is often used on non planar surfaces since you can wrap the transfer around objects like coffee mugs
[17:46:28] <CaptHindsight> you'd need a multiaxis inkjet to do similar with radcure, or settle for a pad printer
[17:51:50] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: how is that white version holding up on your parts?
[17:52:00] <zeeshan> worked great :D
[17:52:06] <zeeshan> works
[17:52:16] <zeeshan> you sent a lot
[17:52:20] <zeeshan> still havent even used 3/4 of the bottle
[17:53:13] <CaptHindsight> 100-200ml
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[17:57:23] <ssi> zeeshan: you have an sla printer?
[17:57:45] <zeeshan> ya in one of the labs
[17:57:49] <ssi> ah
[17:57:57] <ssi> you people with your other peoples stuff :(
[17:58:16] <zeeshan> nothing beats owning your own stuff
[17:58:16] <JT-Shop> my guess is if you want parts to come out to print you shouldn't use worn out end mills
[17:58:25] <zeeshan> lol
[17:58:33] <ssi> JT-Shop: or wear compensation :D
[17:59:30] <JT-Shop> that won't make a square corner with a worn out end mill :)
[17:59:37] <archivist> at least you get a free work hardened surface with blunt endmills
[18:00:23] <ssi> JT-Shop: hey, radiused corner end mills are big bucks
[18:00:42] <JT-Shop> that's what I use mostly
[18:00:54] <ssi> http://www.mcmaster.com/#30855a63/=xg929u
[18:01:44] <CaptHindsight> anyone have a tire machine they want to be rid of?
[18:02:03] <CaptHindsight> I hate taking them to the shop
[18:03:32] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: was it an flexo or offset press with the big UV lamps?
[18:07:23] <JT-Shop> ssi, I use these
http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/variablefluteendmillsforsteel.aspx
[18:08:35] <ssi> hm neat
[18:09:14] <ssi> http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/58extendedlengthvariablefluteendmillforaluminumzrn.aspx
[18:09:18] <ssi> I need that
[18:09:19] <ssi> but it's $$$ :(
[18:09:33] <ssi> I have a bunch of different long LOC 5/8" endmills
[18:09:37] <ssi> and they all chatter like crazy
[18:09:50] <zeeshan> how much doc
[18:09:51] <zeeshan> axial
[18:10:04] <ssi> a bunch
[18:10:07] <ssi> 2" maybe
[18:10:12] <ssi> lemme find a pic
[18:10:20] <zeeshan> anything will chatter
[18:10:21] <zeeshan> lol
[18:10:26] <zeeshan> unless you use like a 1.5 incher
[18:10:46] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8yC4T8IQAA81K2.jpg:large
[18:10:58] <ssi> the one on the right was cut with a DULL AS SHIT cutter I had
[18:11:02] <ssi> the one on the left was a sharp 3 flute
[18:11:04] <zeeshan> haha nice
[18:11:26] <zeeshan> i love that style clearance
[18:11:27] <zeeshan> for bolt holes
[18:11:31] <zeeshan> er bolt heads
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[18:29:15] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Did you see the slashdot thing posted a couple weeks ago about floating film printing?
[18:30:00] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlUhPrAqiY0
[18:34:20] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: i was wonder why peoole have been talking about that so much. It's been around for decades. They just took it a step further.
[18:34:53] <CaptHindsight> we do that with multiaxis inkjet
[18:35:25] <CaptHindsight> but inkjet is limited by line-of-sight and by where the heads can fit into
[18:35:58] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: Well, I think it's a cool step forward to an existing technique.
[18:36:13] <A_Nub> Hey guys, any tips on cutting CF? I’ve cut a couple plates before but I broke about 5 tips etc
[18:36:17] <A_Nub> had some oblong holes
[18:36:31] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.ca/v/23o8ek4IHmjw here is one for cell phone and laptop cases
[18:36:43] <A_Nub> I’m thinking I need to slow down my acceleration a bit
[18:36:54] <CaptHindsight> the printhead would be on the Z
[18:38:07] <FinboySlick> Is that a granite base?
[18:39:01] <_methods> what are you using to cut the cf?
[18:40:03] <A_Nub> Diamond Cut
[18:40:05] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: yes, and $70k in linear and rotary servos, few micron repeatability 300mm^3 envelope
[18:40:39] <A_Nub> _methods:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-1-50mm-0591-DIAMOND-CUT-CARBIDE-ROUTER-BURRS-FT-END-/381271475862?
[18:40:42] <_methods> a diamond rougher?
[18:40:45] <_methods> ok
[18:40:48] <_methods> burr
[18:40:58] <ssi> I cut a bunch of CF with endmills
[18:41:03] <ssi> just planned on throwing them away afterward :)
[18:41:22] <FinboySlick> CaptHindsight: 5th axis on the head?
[18:41:41] <FinboySlick> Or is it that thing on the trunion table?
[18:41:56] <A_Nub> _methods: I’m having successful cuts, just not sure if I’m doing things right, this is my first CNC machine, and I know little
[18:42:02] <_methods> well if you need tool life PCD is the way to go
[18:42:26] <_methods> oh well CF is highly abrasive and will kill tools quickly
[18:42:29] <FinboySlick> A_Nub: Try not to breathe it :P
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[18:42:41] <A_Nub> FinboySlick: ofc, building a bath this week for it ;)
[18:42:43] <_methods> so carbide or diamond is the way to go
[18:42:45] <_methods> or waterjet
[18:43:02] <A_Nub> No water jet, just a lame desktop 3040
[18:43:06] <_methods> but that can be problematic at times
[18:43:14] <_methods> with layers delaminiating
[18:43:54] <_methods> well your trying to cut a tough fibrous material on a machine with questionable rigidity
[18:43:58] <_methods> expect to break tools
[18:44:03] <A_Nub> Sure sure
[18:44:13] <A_Nub> I just want to do it right
[18:44:27] <A_Nub> I’m doing .4mm Z steps
[18:44:34] <FinboySlick> A_Nub: I suspect you mean 'as right as this machine can do it'.
[18:44:53] <A_Nub> FinboySlick: ha
[18:45:02] <A_Nub> I mean right as in get it better
[18:45:07] <_methods> yeah i'd keep my step down small like that and git'r'done
[18:45:21] <_methods> how many parts?
[18:45:31] <A_Nub> 7
[18:45:39] <_methods> ah yeah just do it lol
[18:45:53] <A_Nub> Well I need to do 7*5 atm ;)
[18:46:07] <A_Nub> I think my cutting speed is ~17mm/s
[18:46:12] <A_Nub> not sure if thats slow or not
[18:46:22] <A_Nub> I broke quite a few tips at 25mm/s
[18:46:37] <_methods> ummm yeah i bet
[18:46:44] <_methods> what dia cutter?
[18:46:46] <A_Nub> should I slow that down some?
[18:46:51] <A_Nub> 1.5mm
[18:47:12] <A_Nub> well I lie, 1.4 and 1.3mm
[18:47:16] <A_Nub> just got my stock of 1.5mm in
[18:47:23] <_methods> yeah i probably would for that machine and that dia cutter
[18:47:25] <A_Nub> I bought variety packs to learn
[18:47:27] <A_Nub> was a mistake
[18:47:50] <A_Nub> Alright cool
[18:48:02] <A_Nub> Sounds like I’m on track
[18:48:03] <_methods> 5mm/s or so
[18:48:08] <A_Nub> oh that slow?
[18:48:25] <A_Nub> for bit life?
[18:48:30] <_methods> well you can go higher but you will probably sacrfice tool life
[18:48:36] <_methods> it's up to you
[18:48:49] <_methods> go as fast as you can afford my daddy always told me lol
[18:48:54] <A_Nub> ok, for spindle speed I have a pot, fun fun, but do I want it high?
[18:48:58] <A_Nub> medium? low?
[18:49:12] <A_Nub> been running it on the highest it goes
[18:49:16] <_methods> you know for those burrs i have no idea
[18:49:25] <_methods> yeah that probably is not a bad idea
[18:49:29] <A_Nub> Is there a way to know?
[18:49:49] <_methods> well you'd need to find some feed and speed lit for carbide burrs
[18:50:45] <Tom_itx> speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?
[18:51:01] <_methods> https://qtena.com/speeds-feeds-for-carbide-burrs-p-6193.html
[18:51:10] <_methods> that site recommends 1500-3000 sfpm
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[18:51:22] <_methods> which is balls deep
[18:51:24] <A_Nub> Tom_itx: I don’t know, I’m just wondering what is right
[18:51:41] <_methods> 45000-90000 rpm lol
[18:51:48] <anarchos> Any suggestions for mechanical limit switches? I bought the pre wired ones from cnc4pc but they're junk and give me false alarms all the time.
[18:51:53] <_methods> for 1/8" burr
[18:51:59] <anarchos> Something small, for a x2
[18:52:00] <A_Nub> eek I think my machine claims 11k rpm
[18:52:05] <zeeshan> anarchos: you might be getting noise
[18:52:13] <Tom_itx> that's one reason i kinda like my sherline. the cutters have to be small and small cutters are cheaper than big ones :)
[18:52:16] <zeeshan> switches are pretty hard to mess up
[18:52:57] <anarchos> Zeeshan, yeah...i set the delay on them to like half a second and it makes it better but still randomly trips out sometimes
[18:52:58] <A_Nub> _methods: thanks for the info, one last question
[18:53:03] <_methods> sure
[18:53:06] <A_Nub> My holes are a tad oblong
[18:53:19] <_methods> yeah that could be a number of things
[18:53:21] <Tom_itx> backlash comp
[18:53:23] <_methods> backlash
[18:53:23] <A_Nub> across X and Y towards X:0 Y:max
[18:53:30] <_methods> head not being rigid
[18:53:36] <Tom_itx> measure your backlash
[18:53:40] <anarchos> I think theyre physically being "pushed" by vibration
[18:53:40] <A_Nub> Would slowing accel help?
[18:53:40] <_methods> bed loose
[18:53:50] <_methods> possibly
[18:53:56] <A_Nub> As far as I can tell the head and bed are tight
[18:54:07] <Tom_itx> how much is it out?
[18:54:16] <A_Nub> oh you mean the tip?
[18:54:17] <zeeshan> anarchos: delay?
[18:54:20] <_methods> put an indicator on it and measure the dist moved
[18:54:25] <_methods> vs dist commanded
[18:54:44] <A_Nub> _methods: yea will do, I did that when I tested it
[18:54:56] <_methods> so is it moving correctly?
[18:54:57] <A_Nub> was pretty spot on, will have to rig up a better test
[18:55:02] <A_Nub> I believe so, yes.
[18:55:11] <A_Nub> My guess was accell
[18:55:18] <zeeshan> are you talking about debounce.x.delay?
[18:55:22] <A_Nub> I think I put it at 1000
[18:55:34] <anarchos> Zeeshan, not sure of the proper terminolgy by in my hal file i run the input pins through a "delay" timer...cant remember the proper name
[18:55:39] <A_Nub> being the naive machinist I am
[18:55:47] <anarchos> Zeeshan, yeah! Thats it.
[18:55:54] <zeeshan> im using delay 4
[18:56:03] <zeeshan> that solved my issues
[18:56:15] <Tom_itx> which issues?
[18:56:21] <Tom_itx> you have quite a few...
[18:56:22] <zeeshan> on the cnc lathe, random tripping
[18:56:23] <anarchos> I put mine up to like 50 at one point, iirc
[18:56:24] <Tom_itx> :)
[18:56:45] <zeeshan> anarchos: i find it hard to believe that the switches are bad
[18:56:49] <zeeshan> its really hard to mess up a switch
[18:57:01] <A_Nub> _methods: is there a good tutorial/read on backlash and accel settings?
[18:57:10] <zeeshan> it would suck changing all of them out just to get the same issue again :P
[18:57:35] <anarchos> Zeeshan, only happens when cutting fairly deep,/fast
[18:57:55] <zeeshan> loose connection? :p
[18:57:58] <JT-Shop> backlash = 0 good, acceleration is usually 10-20 times max velocity
[18:58:00] <zeeshan> i had one in the cnc lathe comp
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[18:58:06] <zeeshan> random trip like that also lol
[18:58:09] <zeeshan> was a loose wire
[18:58:50] <anarchos> Could be.. This is a prewired one that terminates in cat5
[18:59:00] <anarchos> Hard to check :p
[18:59:05] <zeeshan> is it the same switch every time
[18:59:06] <zeeshan> or diff one
[18:59:26] <anarchos> Usually x but occasionally z
[18:59:58] <zeeshan> hmm mine was always the same one
[19:00:30] <zeeshan> try tugging onto the connections
[19:00:33] <zeeshan> and see if it trips :D
[19:00:44] <A_Nub> JT-Shop: hah, thanks, I need to learn to measure backlash, and thats a good starting point for accel for me, I think I’m way over that
[19:00:45] <zeeshan> give them the "earthquake mode" as i call it
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[19:08:50] <robinsz> sigh
[19:08:57] <robinsz> so ...
[19:09:27] <robinsz> just imagine for a moment ... I have a PC all set up with linuxcnc ... but its an old one
[19:09:35] <robinsz> and i wan to run the new stuf
[19:10:05] <robinsz> the new stuff is over 1gb on a DVD
[19:10:15] <robinsz> the PC wont boot from DVD
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[19:10:59] <robinsz> or memory stick
[19:11:09] <_methods> only cd?
[19:11:15] <robinsz> CDROM or HDD are about it
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[19:11:45] <robinsz> I have more modern PCs of course ...
[19:11:48] <Connor> Didn't think any of the iso's with linuxcnc are large enough for a dvd..
[19:11:53] <_methods> start the install up with a hybrid iso then from there install from the dvd you want
[19:11:56] <_methods> or usb
[19:12:30] <robinsz> _methods, explain "start the install up with a hybrid iso"
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[19:12:36] <_methods> use a livecd
[19:12:41] <robinsz> I have the hybrid iso
[19:12:49] <robinsz> use a what now?
[19:13:25] <_methods> just grab a debian livecd
[19:13:35] <robinsz> uh right ... and then?
[19:13:45] <robinsz> I have tons of those
[19:13:56] <_methods> then once you have that up install from the usb that has what you want on it
[19:14:11] <robinsz> im lost
[19:14:35] <_methods> one sec i'll try and find you a tut
[19:14:45] <robinsz> booting a livecd ... easy,
[19:15:15] <robinsz> i dont get the "install from the USB" bit
[19:15:38] <_methods> no this would be copying the stuff over not so simple
[19:15:50] <robinsz> copying?
[19:16:09] <robinsz> you cant do an install by just copying stuff over onto the HDD from USB
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[19:16:27] <_methods> http://askubuntu.com/questions/340156/install-ubuntu-from-iso-image-directly-from-hard-disk-of-a-system-running-linux
[19:16:39] <_methods> the 2nd post
[19:16:46] <robinsz> reading ...
[19:17:07] <JT-Shop> robinsz, why do you want to upgrade the OS on an old PC?
[19:17:16] <_methods> he's trying to do an install
[19:17:20] <JT-Shop> why not just upgrade LinuxCNC
[19:17:21] <_methods> but only has cd/floppy
[19:17:39] <JT-Shop> he said an old version is already installed
[19:17:44] <robinsz> I do
[19:18:21] <robinsz> but its ancient ...
[19:18:23] <JT-Shop> what version of EMC do you have now?
[19:18:33] <robinsz> ancient ... 4 or 5 years old
[19:18:54] <JT-Shop> I have 4-5 year old EMC running on some machines...
[19:19:31] <_methods> http://www.howtogeek.com/196933/how-to-boot-linux-iso-images-directly-from-your-hard-drive/
[19:19:38] <_methods> a more simplified how to
[19:19:43] <_methods> for booting iso from grub to install
[19:20:24] <JT-Shop> it doesn't make sense to try and run ancient hardware with the latest OS and it might be worse
[19:22:51] <robinsz> im sure there will have been a few bug fixes in last 5 years
[19:23:25] <robinsz> and the new click-and-drool config stuff is lovely
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[19:25:59] <CaptHindsight> FinboySlick: ~70mm rotary positioner is on the trunnion
[19:25:59] <robinsz> if im going to build a new machine up on emc, it might as well be current. its running a mesa 5i20 so it wont be too processor intensive
[19:27:54] <anarchos> A minnowboard is so close to beinh perfect for linuxcnc+mesa
[19:28:56] <anarchos> But the $50 addon to get a mpcie slot plus $30 for a mpcie to pcie adaptor makes ot not so appealing
[19:30:08] <robinsz> quite
[19:30:13] <robinsz> and lack of case
[19:30:17] <robinsz> lack of PSU
[19:30:19] <robinsz> etc
[19:31:05] <robinsz> is an AMD Athlon going to suck ass or be OK?
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[19:39:10] <FinboySlick> robinsz: My old athlonXP 3200 did rather well, but the motherboard had some latency issues.
[19:39:43] <anarchos> I am going to go with cheap amd mini-itx board with a parallel port, a mesa card and a minibox m300 din rail mountable case for my next controller.
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[19:42:27] <cthompson> how much CPU power is actually needed?
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[20:02:59] <Tom_itx> robinsz,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Q1900b-itx&N=-1&isNodeId=1
[20:03:15] -!- moorbo [moorbo!~moorbo@dyn-21-100.mdm.its.uni-kassel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:03:17] <Tom_itx> or upgrade your linuxcnc on your current os
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[20:06:21] <_methods> ssi:
http://cheapatlantacolocation.com/atlanta-colocation-pricing.php
[20:06:31] <_methods> $149/10u
[20:06:39] <_methods> sounds too good to be true
[20:07:26] <Connor> They nail you at the Bandwidth..
[20:07:38] <cthompson> "they always fuck you at the drive through"
[20:07:40] <_methods> 3tb transfer is kinda low
[20:07:42] <Connor> I pay $550.00 per month for a 1/2 Rack
[20:07:44] <_methods> for 13 ips
[20:08:02] <_methods> i was gonna say $149 for 10u is pretty damn cheap
[20:08:19] <Connor> 64 or 128 IP's.. I can't remember.. they're not all in the same subnet..
[20:09:26] <_methods> where is that rack at for $550?
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[20:09:55] <Connor> It's in Knoxville, TN
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[20:10:10] <Connor> I would classify it as a Micro Datacenter.
[20:10:31] <_methods> well i guess i'll just wait till we get more pipes into this area
[20:10:46] <Connor> What you looking to do ?
[20:10:50] <_methods> you would think with a google data center here we could get some scraps
[20:11:03] <_methods> consolidate all my random vps's
[20:11:07] <cthompson> wait, 110v @ 5A, I realize AC is different than DC, but that's not a lot of watts
[20:11:10] <_methods> put them all on my own box
[20:11:19] <cthompson> what's the power factor for a rackmount power supply?
[20:11:40] <Connor> I think I have 3U left.
[20:11:48] <Connor> in my 1/2 rack
[20:12:21] <_methods> yeah i have a couple friends local that would probably go in with me if i got a 1/2 rack so i have to get that all figured out
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[20:14:22] <Connor> I've resold enough to more than cover my costs and make a reasonable profit from the colo. while using 6 or 7 U for my own gear.
[20:14:36] <_methods> yeah that is a great idea
[20:14:49] <_methods> that's why i've been checkin on it for awhile
[20:15:00] <_methods> split the cost between a couple people
[20:15:07] <_methods> lot cheaper than vps's all over
[20:15:22] <Connor> http://www.infinitydatacenter.com/
[20:16:06] <Connor> I have legacy pricing.. was like they're 2nd client in the data center..
[20:16:45] <_methods> nice
[20:17:18] <Connor> They sell you speed, not usage.
[20:17:23] <cthompson> Connor: I like the fact that website has a street address and no city, state or zip
[20:17:47] <Connor> cthompson: ROFL. Didn't notice.
[20:18:10] <cthompson> "Where should I ship my server." "Oh, you know, Willow Point Way."
[20:18:21] <_methods> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/06/intel-launches-long-delayed-quad-core-broadwell-cpus-and-the-iris-pro-6200-gpu
[20:21:23] * furrywolf is using a blindingly fast core 2 duo
[20:21:27] <JT-Shop> robinsz, I have the LinuxCNC 2.7 running on Ubuntu 10.04, I didn't install Debian Wheezy because the PC is ancient
[20:23:07] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMQmlzEI-Yw
[20:23:16] <_methods> fluke 17b knockoff teardown lol
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[20:32:13] <Jymmm> Why would a lender lower the amount they would finance when they find out you have money in the bank?
[20:32:45] <Jymmm> (even if it's earmarked for medical expenses
[20:33:10] <Connor> That's odd.
[20:33:20] <Jymmm> home loan
[20:33:27] <Connor> Would shop for another finance company.
[20:33:53] <Jymmm> Yeah, didn't like the attitude either when questioned that reasoning
[20:34:57] <Connor> Did they give you a reason ?
[20:35:11] <Jymmm> "you have money"
[20:35:35] <Connor> Yea, find someone else..
[20:35:51] <Connor> Was it your bank? or a finance company?
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[20:36:00] <Jymmm> Ok, but even so, WHY would they do that? What benefit is there?
[20:36:06] <Jymmm> Finance co
[20:36:22] <Connor> Afraid you'll pay off the balance and they won't make their money back
[20:36:37] <Jymmm> But cant one do that anytime anyway?
[20:36:54] <Connor> Yes, but, your more likely to do it if you already HAVE money. :)
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[20:37:36] <Jymmm> But the first few years is all interest anyway, litle to no princpal
[20:38:34] <Connor> Yea. similar to one I have.. we make principle payments on it too.
[20:39:08] <Connor> It's linked to our bank account.. they draft the money from it each month. We have to mail in the principle payment seperate.
[20:39:15] <Connor> they make it very difficult..
[20:39:23] <Jymmm> heh
[20:39:40] <Connor> It's like.. HERE.. TAKE MY MONEY! :)
[20:39:45] <Jymmm> setup auto pay to the same acnt
[20:39:54] <Jymmm> the extra that is
[20:39:54] <Connor> Going to.
[20:40:01] <Jymmm> instead of mailing it in
[20:40:04] <Jymmm> k
[20:40:12] <Connor> Only had it a few months.
[20:40:24] <Jymmm> ah ok
[20:40:37] <Connor> $40k loan for fixing up the house after the mold and remediation deal.
[20:40:47] <Jymmm> ewwwwww
[20:42:31] <Connor> yea. $25k for the mold removal and remediation, $5k for new duct work. $1.5k for French Drain, $3k for RV rental, then more on Kitchen Cabinets and Flooring
[20:44:02] <Jymmm> Eeeesh, you should have BOUGHT the RV, then sell it later.
[20:44:22] <Jymmm> whats a FRENCH DRAIN?
[20:45:57] <zeeshan> wow this is a crazy fact
[20:46:04] <zeeshan> some parts of greenland's ice sheet is 10,000 feet thick
[20:46:06] <zeeshan> fuck.
[20:46:25] <zeeshan> 1.9 miles..
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[20:46:48] <Jymmm> zeeshan: You didn't know that 90% of most icebergs are underwater?
[20:46:54] <zeeshan> i know that
[20:47:07] <Jymmm> did not ;)
[20:47:16] <zeeshan> what does the ice sheet thickness have to do with a iceberg?
[20:47:26] <zeeshan> im talking about ice sheet frozen on top of land
[20:47:28] <Jymmm> water
[20:47:35] <Jymmm> ah
[20:47:47] <zeeshan> =]
[20:47:54] <Connor> Jymmm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_drain
[20:48:25] <Jymmm> Connor: around the perimiter?
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[20:59:58] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:00:43] <CaptHindsight> _methods:
http://3dprintingindustry.com/2015/06/02/creopop-photopolymer-3d-pen-signs-more-investors/ ain't it pretty
[21:01:17] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprintingindustry.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/creopop1.jpg it's almost lifelike
[21:03:58] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: there is a typo on that URL
[21:03:59] <SpeedEvil> It should end 'creopoop'
[21:05:40] <CaptHindsight> hehe
[21:06:31] <SpeedEvil> But when you can do better with three minutes, a carving knife and some expanded polystyrene - your technology has problems
[21:06:53] <CaptHindsight> I thought it was a real Delorean :)
[21:07:17] <CaptHindsight> how bad were the other examples if they picked this one for the article?
[21:07:44] <SpeedEvil> I mean - you can tell a hell of a lot of work went into that.
[21:07:55] <SpeedEvil> But - anyone taking bets that that took under 3 hours?
[21:08:13] <CaptHindsight> I've seen better icing on cakes
[21:18:47] <tiwake> meh
[21:18:49] * Jymmm is playing SIM Card hopscotch!
[21:18:54] <tiwake> my haas mill won't home
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[21:19:35] <tiwake> I think there are some issues with the logic board(s)
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[21:19:38] <Tom_itx> call tony stewart and complain
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[21:20:22] <Tom_itx> or gut it and install mesa hardware
[21:20:30] <tiwake> the problem is that its built in 1990, nobody has any schematics for it, nor even user manuals for 1990
[21:20:40] <Tom_itx> haas should
[21:21:00] <tiwake> they won't give them to me though
[21:21:17] <tiwake> so as far as I'm concerned, nobody has them
[21:21:32] <Tom_itx> who's your local machine tool repair guy?
[21:21:38] <tiwake> in-house
[21:21:56] <Tom_itx> they charge $600/hr around here
[21:22:20] <tiwake> all machine fixes are done by me and my co-owner
[21:22:55] <Tom_itx> all the axis drives are good, maybe it's time to retrofit linuxcnc
[21:23:14] <tiwake> well
[21:23:25] <tiwake> that would be nice I guess
[21:25:33] <Tom_itx> maybe you can find data on the individual components
[21:26:09] <tiwake> sometimes the spindle will spin in the wrong direction, and when its told to turn off the spindle, it wont
[21:26:29] <tiwake> turn off the coolant and sometimes the spindle stops
[21:26:31] <Tom_itx> check all the connections?
[21:26:48] <Tom_itx> wiggle all the board connections
[21:27:02] <Jymmm> Put your left foot in...
[21:27:05] <tiwake> yeah yeah
[21:27:16] * Tom_itx puts his left foot in....
[21:27:23] <Jymmm> Put your left foot out...
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[21:27:47] <tiwake> I don't think the spindle driver is stock for that machine either.. *shrug*
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[21:30:43] <Jymmm> Ok, so... Pull the backup sim with $110 on it out of of the backup phone, pull the main sim with $40 out out of the main phone, put the backup sim in the main phone, the main sim into the land phone, then activate and add money to the mew sim, and insert in main phone, um, right?
[21:31:22] <Tom_itx> why are you juggling sim cards anyway?
[21:31:30] <Tom_itx> pay per view?
[21:32:23] <Jymmm> I have two Prepaid "Legacy" (grandfathered in) accounts. The legacy is that there is ZERO monthly fees.
[21:32:53] <MrSunshine> https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11391215_757990834320964_1414398967499682475_n.jpg?oh=abe5a22d2e62f9a5dbbfe33c58694883&oe=55FB7D2E https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1779883_758619627591418_1174802948683319782_n.jpg?oh=3a079805269ae829c2f62f258b22d2e4&oe=5608C730 made a couple of signs =) my first 3d cuts in pine wood =)
[21:32:57] <Jymmm> They are both voice/text ONLY, but I only need to add $10/year to each to keept them active.
[21:33:07] <Jymmm> and the minute rollover
[21:33:53] <Jymmm> Have a landline (copper) and pay about $50/month with no extras on it. I like it, want it, but just too expensive to maintain it.
[21:34:21] <Tom_itx> port your landline to google voice
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[21:34:32] <Jymmm> I found a "device" that allows me to use a regular phone, but over cellular, not copper,
[21:35:14] <Jymmm> I also found a reseller that has much cheaper per minute voice/text rates as well as data.
[21:35:47] <Jymmm> Even if you port a number to gVoice you STILL need a real phone attached to that account.
[21:36:22] <Tom_itx> you have a landline to port right?
[21:36:25] <Jymmm> But, I do have gVoice on those accoutns already as well as a VoIP line (not reliable but free)
[21:36:27] <Tom_itx> what's the big deal then?
[21:36:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: gVoice require a number to dial
[21:36:56] <Tom_itx> they'll give you one
[21:36:59] <tiwake> Tom_itx: are there haas VF1 conversions?
[21:37:04] <tiwake> that have been done
[21:37:12] <Tom_itx> tiwake i have no idea
[21:37:20] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: No a real phone line, not just a number.
[21:37:49] * Tom_itx leaves Jymmm to do his phone juggling act
[21:37:57] <Jymmm> thanks =)
[21:38:17] <Tom_itx> i wanted to keep my landline too but i never use it
[21:38:25] <Tom_itx> for $3 i ported it
[21:38:33] <Jymmm> Me too, that's why I got the device
[21:38:33] <Tom_itx> you need to port it to a cell first
[21:38:36] <malcom2073> I wish I could get rid of my land line
[21:38:45] <Jymmm> malcom2073: where are you?
[21:38:51] <malcom2073> Jymmm: In a place where I need it for internet
[21:38:59] <Jymmm> ah
[21:39:00] <Tom_itx> Jymmm what device?
[21:39:00] <malcom2073> Pennsylvania
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[21:39:02] <malcom2073> rural
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[21:39:15] <Tom_itx> i got an obi thing
[21:39:27] <Jymmm> I dont need the pots to data, those are seperate accounts
[21:39:52] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: the obi is VoIP
[21:41:34] <Jymmm> See, I'm trying to reduce the have balance I have on the legacy acocunts as I really dont use them all that much. But I like the reliability. and $10/year to keep them is super cheap
[21:41:42] <Jymmm> high balance*
[21:42:07] <Jymmm> I'm migrating over to a new cheaper reseller that I found.
[21:43:38] <Jymmm> I USED to be able to switch to unlimted+data for $3/day as I needed (rarely), but that is no longer an option, and If I switch, I lose my "legacy" status.
[21:44:13] <Jymmm> Now it's $3/month minimum.
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[21:46:54] <Tom_itx> get with the changing times...
[21:47:07] <Tom_itx> i had a brick phone too
[21:47:35] <Jymmm> I have two smartphones and a BB8900 and a landline
[21:47:42] <tiwake> herm
[21:47:50] <Jymmm> and a flip phone too
[21:47:56] <tiwake> how much would a conversion cost for a milling machine like that?
[21:48:16] <tiwake> mostly just the cost of the computer and mesa electronics?
[21:48:22] <Tom_itx> tiwake it would depend on how much you can keep and resuse
[21:48:26] <Jymmm> tiwake: $39,000.34
[21:48:33] <Tom_itx> computer & mesa are relatively cheap
[21:48:47] <tiwake> how do I know what I cant keep?
[21:48:53] <Tom_itx> research
[21:49:05] <Tom_itx> find out model # on your drives & spindle drive
[21:49:21] <tiwake> oh, spindle and axis drivers
[21:49:24] <Tom_itx> then see if anyone here has done those so they can help
[21:49:36] <Tom_itx> also the encoders or resolvers etc
[21:49:58] <tiwake> well, it looks like haas makes its own electronics for the drivers, except for the spindle
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[21:50:06] <Jymmm> tiwake: $50 shipped...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-dc7900-SFF-Intel-Core-Duo-2-E8400-3-00Ghz-2GB-Ram-DVD-DRIVE-No-Hard-Drive-/271840051741
[21:50:30] <Tom_itx> what haas is it?
[21:50:39] <tiwake> its a 1990 VF1
[21:51:13] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/28141-haas-vf1-retrofit
[21:51:38] <tiwake> yeah I was looking at that, but not seeing what year his was made
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[21:51:55] <tiwake> they changed the electronics around quite a bit since mine was built
[21:51:57] <Tom_itx> ask him
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[21:52:29] <tiwake> though he did say it was a 7.5hp spindle drive, so its probably older...
[21:52:33] <Tom_itx> one thing i've found is ppl LOVE to talk about their cnc conversions :)
[21:52:58] <tiwake> heh, I would too
[21:53:15] <Tom_itx> well it is quite an accomplishment
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[21:53:42] <tiwake> configuring everything seems like it would be the hard part
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[21:54:38] <tiwake> like figuring out the correct PWM settings for servos and stuff
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[21:55:55] <Tom_itx> it takes some time but it's doable
[21:56:31] <Tom_itx> or pay out the ass for haas to repair it
[21:57:00] <tiwake> screw that
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[21:57:09] <Tom_itx> it will have some down time
[21:57:34] <Tom_itx> but if you already fix your own junk, you should have no problem
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[21:58:15] <Tom_itx> good thing is you won't have to rewire the whole thing
[21:58:22] <Tom_itx> just at the control
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[21:59:38] <Tom_itx> the power supply is still good etc...
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[22:11:48] <tiwake> hmm
[22:12:49] <norias> indeed
[22:12:53] <tiwake> gnah... wish I had one more mill so I could just start the conversion
[22:13:06] <tiwake> but there is stuff that needs to be done
[22:13:09] <norias> heh
[22:13:16] <tiwake> not very much at the moment, but still some stuff
[22:14:42] <norias> right on
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[22:20:10] <Tom_itx> tiwake i though you couldn't home it?
[22:20:18] <Tom_itx> how can you run parts if you can't home it?
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[22:21:26] <tiwake> Tom_itx: thats a good question... something I'm trying to figure out how to fix
[22:24:24] <Tom_itx> not sure if you can afford downtime but there would be some if you went with the conversion
[22:24:43] <Tom_itx> seems it's down right now though
[22:25:03] <tiwake> yeah
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[22:25:41] <JT-Shop> you don't need to home to make parts... but it does make soft limits work
[22:26:19] <tiwake> I don't want to do a conversion until I have a second mill
[22:27:11] <Jymmm> We Are Borg, you will be assimilated
[22:31:12] <Tom_itx> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/haas/1990-haas-vf1-218803/
[22:31:17] <Tom_itx> maybe worth reading... maybe not
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[22:36:21] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HAAS-Installation-Operators-Manual-VF-1-/281508729175?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item418b3a5157
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[22:38:07] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Haas-VF-Series-VF-01-1-E-VF-2-0-2E-VF3-VF10-Operations-and-Programming-Manual-/151693842582?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2351a85896
[22:38:39] <Tom_itx> maybe not what you need
[22:39:06] <JT-Shop> anyone seen the new CAM program for LinuxCNC on the forum?
[22:39:14] <Tom_itx> no
[22:40:12] <JT-Shop> it's in the cad cam section
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[22:47:13] <Tom_itx> i hardly ever get on the forum
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[22:51:38] <Tom_itx> 2.5d
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[22:57:07] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop it would be nice to have something integrated
[22:58:13] <JT-Shop> yep, so long as it is not to complex to use
[22:58:29] <Tom_itx> 2.5d shouldn't be
[22:59:26] <JT-Shop> I was surprised to find out the brother laser will do #6 3/4 envelopes
[23:01:22] <Tom_itx> i was looking at the different sizes
[23:01:46] <Tom_itx> i'd like to feed half sheets thru it but i'm not sure it will the way i need
[23:02:10] <Tom_itx> so far i really like mine
[23:02:55] <Tom_itx> it'll scan direct to pdf which is handy
[23:10:20] <JT-Shop> mine is a little one so it fits on the small space I have
[23:10:34] <JT-Shop> I just wonder about shop dust... I need to cover it I think
[23:10:39] <_methods> yeah i think i have the 4620 or something
[23:10:43] <_methods> small cube and wifi
[23:10:50] <Tom_itx> i would cover it for sure
[23:10:56] <_methods> nice you can put it anywhere
[23:11:07] <Tom_itx> yeah the wifi is a plus
[23:11:20] <_methods> yeah i wasn't sure if i was going to use that
[23:11:45] <Tom_itx> i figured i'd try it and so far i like it
[23:11:45] <JT-Shop> I ended up plugging it into the LAN
[23:11:46] <_methods> i gave it a shot and i'm impressed it only disconnects every once in awhile
[23:11:58] <Tom_itx> i could use wired but wifi seems to work ok
[23:12:10] <_methods> yeah its slow to print sometimes
[23:12:20] <_methods> but whatever nice being able to just put it wherever power is
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[23:12:40] <Tom_L> ok that was odd
[23:12:52] <_methods> nsa back on your case
[23:12:54] <Tom_L> pc just bluescreened out of nowhere
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[23:14:01] <_methods> omg
[23:14:03] <_methods> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/looking_forward_microsoft__support_for_secure_shell_ssh1/archive/2015/06/02/managing-looking-forward-microsoft-support-for-secure-shell-ssh.aspx
[23:14:08] <_methods> jesus finally
[23:14:19] <_methods> welcome to the 80's microsoft
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[23:18:28] <tiwake> _methods: "Your voices matter and we do listen." on the last line there
[23:18:39] <_methods> lol
[23:18:45] <_methods> 20 years later we listen
[23:18:58] <_methods> once we've lost a massive chunk of market share
[23:19:10] <Tom_itx> too little too late
[23:19:16] <_methods> no doubt
[23:19:25] <tiwake> _methods: also, just above that, "...this is the 3rd time the PowerShell team has attempted to support SSH."
[23:19:31] <_methods> lol
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[23:19:37] <_methods> third time is a charm?
[23:19:49] <_methods> putty has been doing it for them for some time lol
[23:19:52] <tiwake> in baseball they call that a strikeout
[23:19:54] <_methods> or cygwin i guess
[23:20:10] <_methods> i've never used cygwin i always just use putty
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[23:20:19] <tiwake> screw windows
[23:20:23] <Tom_itx> same here
[23:20:36] <tiwake> I just use linux for everything I need at home
[23:20:36] <Tom_itx> i use winscp
[23:20:46] <Tom_itx> and putty
[23:20:54] <_methods> yeah i've got windows on my cad/cam computer and that's it
[23:21:06] <_methods> everything else is *nix/bsd at this point
[23:21:21] <tiwake> almost don't need windows for that anymore
[23:21:30] <_methods> yeah i vm most of it now
[23:21:39] <_methods> this will probably be my last box with windows
[23:22:07] <_methods> i'll just vm any window apps i need anymore
[23:23:56] <JT-Shop> I bet you don't do that with solidworks
[23:24:12] <_methods> i don't currently
[23:24:24] <_methods> especially for large assemblies
[23:24:32] <tiwake> is freeCAD not good enough yet for that?
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[23:24:38] <_methods> i can't imagine a vm will handle large assemblies very well
[23:24:40] <tiwake> I havent used it recently
[23:24:54] <_methods> freecad is only good for individual parts
[23:25:02] <tiwake> I thought it did assemblies
[23:25:08] <_methods> unless they've drastically improved assemblies lately
[23:25:18] <_methods> it's still pretty buggy last time i used it
[23:25:22] <_methods> assembly wise
[23:25:31] <_methods> the modeling part was pretty good
[23:25:32] <tiwake> when was the last time?
[23:25:40] <_methods> maybe 5 months ago?
[23:25:43] <tiwake> ok
[23:25:45] <_methods> been awhile
[23:25:54] <_methods> i like freecad
[23:25:57] <tiwake> that is a while for active linux projects
[23:26:16] <tiwake> I don't know how active it is though
[23:26:26] <_methods> it was fairly active
[23:26:36] <_methods> but i honestly haven't been keeping up with it
[23:26:41] <tiwake> yeah
[23:27:15] <JT-Shop> seems they made an update yesterday
[23:27:18] <tiwake> I mostly just stay informed of linux kernel developments
[23:28:00] <JT-Shop> latest stable version 0.15
[23:29:06] <_methods> those windows ssh comments are hilarious
[23:29:15] <Jymmm> ?
[23:29:20] <_methods> one guy was asking them if they could add 256 color support lol
[23:29:32] <_methods> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/looking_forward_microsoft__support_for_secure_shell_ssh1/archive/2015/06/02/managing-looking-forward-microsoft-support-for-secure-shell-ssh.aspx
[23:29:38] <_methods> microsoft learned to ssh
[23:29:47] <_methods> 20 years after everyone else
[23:30:10] <tiwake> _methods: its not implemented yet, and I get the vibe that it could be rejected again?
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[23:30:48] <Jymmm> _methods: Dude, there just not enough comand line utils on windows to bother having sshd.
[23:31:09] <Jymmm> and I use the ones there are, and cigwin dn't can't
[23:31:52] <_methods> i mean at this point i honestly don't care i just find it entertaining
[23:31:54] <JT-Shop> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[23:31:54] <JT-Shop> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[23:31:54] <JT-Shop> E: Unable to correct dependencies
[23:32:16] <JT-Shop> when I select fix broken packages I get this error ^^
[23:32:35] <Jymmm> _methods: M% STILL doens't have a LiveCD, only OS that doesn't.
[23:33:00] <_methods> JT-Shop: that's a good one i've never seen that held packages error before
[23:33:21] <_methods> you can make a live windows install i think with unetbootin
[23:33:33] <JT-Shop> lol I was just adding freecad from the spm
[23:33:53] <_methods> ah
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[23:36:48] <JT-Shop> Notes for Debian users
[23:36:48] <JT-Shop> Because of a licensing conflict between third-party libraries required by FreeCAD, the freecad package was removed from the current Debian stable (wheezy) repository. This will be solved when the next stable release of FreeCAD comes out. In the meanwhile, you can either compile FreeCAD or use an alternate build.
[23:36:48] <JT-Shop> You should also note that although Ubuntu is based on Debian, the Ubuntu PPA packages are NOT compatible with Debian.
[23:36:51] <JT-Shop> nice
[23:37:15] <_methods> yeah i had to compile on mine
[23:37:48] <_methods> i think i only had to track down like 2 or 3 dependencies lol
[23:37:59] <cradek> oops, wonder what they mistakenly used
[23:38:22] <tiwake> I use debian testing on my laptop
[23:38:38] <_methods> i think it was something in their drawing package
[23:40:13] <cradek> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=617613
[23:40:52] <cradek> yuck, it's not that anything was particularly nonfree; all the parts are freeish but conflict when combined
[23:41:30] <malcom2073> Ah open source.
[23:41:45] <_methods> liboce
[23:42:10] <cradek> yep but it's the best poison we have - you have to pick one
[23:42:13] <_methods> opencascade i think was the problem
[23:42:31] <_methods> had to use the community edition or something like that
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[23:42:47] <cradek> sounds like there are several possible solutions
[23:43:01] <_methods> yeah it's been awhile since i installed
[23:43:15] <_methods> i seem to remember going the liboce route
[23:43:33] <_methods> vs libopencascade
[23:44:05] <_methods> i think i ended up having to install all the libraries individually too
[23:44:16] <_methods> i probably should have recorded what i did lol
[23:51:32] <tiwake> hmm
[23:51:48] <tiwake> I cant seem to find the servo motors online
[23:51:52] <tiwake> that are on my machine
[23:51:55] <tiwake> lol
[23:52:08] <tiwake> stupid
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